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Let's get out to the hotline. Welcome in Aeron Torre's

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college football, college basketball insider. You love to follow him

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on Fox Sports radio and online.

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Speaker 4: What's up, Erina good Man? How are we doing today?

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Everything's going to go with you? I mean, b white

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teams that I call and ever lose, so you must

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be doing good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the last two years have done BYU pretty gosh

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staying good.

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Speaker 2: Power for.

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Speaker 3: The Power for Labor label combined with the frame market

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has allowed BYU to thrive. And I'll remember we wandered

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the wilderness of independence for over a decade.

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Speaker 2: We were stiff farmed by the power brokers.

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Speaker 3: And the conferences for almost fifty years after winning a

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lot of games on the hardwood and a lot of

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games on the football field. So we're finally finally reaping

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some rewards with the you know, being involved in the club.

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We finally got invited to the club and now we're.

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Speaker 4: Winning brom Well, I'll tell you, I think I'm uniquely

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built in some ways to understand that because I am

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an alum of one of only two FBS FBS football

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independence and it's not Notre Dame, it's the University of Connecticut.

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And not to make this a Yukon segment, but the

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reason that Yukon is in this situation is because they

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were in a power conference, the Big East at the time.

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The Big East disc bands, they go to the American

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they dominate basketball everywhere they go. They just came off

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a nine win football season, back to back nine when

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football season, as a matter of fact, and they just

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lost their head coach. Because because that, you know, there's

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not really a spot in any of these power conferences

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for them to join in all sports, and so they're

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kind of in this weird middle ground. So I understand,

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but it's funny you bring it up because you know,

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you and I I think connected really right around the

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time that Kevin Young got the basketball job, and I

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after he got the job, when that first rollster that

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to him, I said, you know, what do you say

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to people that say the only reason d why he

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as good is because of Nil? And I just explicitly

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remember him saying, listen, you know there's my MBA background.

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not going to deny the role that Nil is playing.

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if you're you know, in his case, you're a basketball player,

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why wouldn't she want to playing the Big twelve? Arizona Houston,

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Iowa State. And I think it's certainly transitioned to football

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as well, where you know, you guys can donate me

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to tell you about the success of the football team,

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case of Kevin Young and basketball, the Big Twelve with

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his NBA background. But either way, just from a distance,

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got the bowl games under our belt. Now we see

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how the the individual conferences performed against each other.

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Speaker 2: That's why we like bowl season.

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Speaker 3: Some say bowl games don't matter, but when you really

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get down to it's like, well, no, they do matter

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because we're going to be comparing power forwards versus power

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fowards more often than not.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, we actually did this on my radio

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show the other day of you know, especially with the

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set struggling, is bowl record indicator any more of conference success?

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the Big Ten they are certainly having more postseason success

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twelve team playoff but whatever. But also, you know, I

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thought it was an important thing for Miami to be

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having the success that they have because you know, I

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feels like the real power brokers in these sports are

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trying to almost make this a big two, big ten

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SEC and then you know, especially another two after that

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go well for Texas Tech, but I think we know

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that they're going to be a factor going forward. You know,

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had made the College Football Playoff. You know, Notre Dame's

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fourth seed in the power conference structure in the years

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to come, right, there was in Bruce Feldman did an

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you've read through it.

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the you know, all around the country, right, And I

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that when paying players became proper?

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Speaker 2: Right? Because I always said it was legal to do it, is.

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Speaker 3: Just proper to execute it, the batman of the SEC

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no longer could just do it without any They were

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just better cheaters essentially, as what they're they're alluding to.

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SEC fall now that everybody can do what they were

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Speaker 4: Yeah, one hundred percent. You know, And I know this

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isn't you know, necessarily applicable to a BYU show, but

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you know when last year in the playoff when Georgia

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Penn State, Notre Dame in Texas. You know, I remember

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on my doing a deep dive of you know, you

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look at just alumni bases, you look at you know,

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living alumni, you look at endowment, and it's like, you know,

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other sport, it just goes through cycles where different things

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: I think the SEC had this great run because there

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you know, it really did. I think for a while,

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just mean more. They were paying players. You know, there's

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a concentration of really good players in the South, and

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in reference to you know, Lane Kiffen, the whole, you know,

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know you would know better, but I do know publicly

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what has been said about kind of Kolonie Sataki's restructure

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contract or what it will mean for BYU football, and

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then in basketball, you know BYU in great shape. Texas

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what matters to recruits have changed, and maybe it's fading

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away from the SEC. And I do think we're seeing

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Speaker 4: You know, it's a great question. The one thing I

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school realignment. You know, fifteen years ago the Big twelve

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it was Texas A and M. And so I bring

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they could become the best team in the Big twelve.

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anyone that would be hypothetically, you know, putting out offers

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to certain teams in certain programs they'd want to see

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winning success, winning results, and so you know, you can

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kind of put together from there who those teams could

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Speaker 3: There was a quote from Joel Klatt. I don't know

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if you saw this recently. He's attacking es, you know,

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the mothership this is. I know he's attacking him.

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Speaker 2: I know, I know. It's pretty crazy. Joe Klatt.

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Speaker 3: Has been a hiss and a byword in kugarnation at times,

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especially as he had a love fest with other teams

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not named BYU. Finally came a little bit of He

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came around a bit right towards the end of it.

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But I don't know if he was ever really sold

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on BYU getting into the college football Playoff.

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Speaker 2: It is what it is, But.

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Speaker 3: I thought this was an impactful commentary from Joel Klatt.

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Not very happy about what's going on with the ESPN

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exclusive college football deal, he said this, they chose the

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wrong path when it comes to the presentation of this playoff.

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There's no playoff that should be a single television partner.

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It just shouldn't because the presentation is important, in particular

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when you're down to this point in the sport where

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you're trying to showcase games. Let's face it, it'd be

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better if every network was given an a level broadcast

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versus a single presenter, in particular when the single presenter

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has a deep relationship with just one conference within college football.

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Speaker 2: Your thoughts.

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Speaker 4: You know, I love Joel. I do think that's probably

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a little bit self serving, given that you know he

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would be on the call for one of these games.

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But I will say it is an interesting point because,

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and this is one of the things when ESPM got

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the exclusive rights to the twelve team expanded Playoff, and

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I know that they've since sub licensed out a lot

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of these games to Turner. With the whole point of expanding,

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if you remember, it was right after the Big Ten

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signed that deal that with CBS, BOTS and NBC, and

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it kind of had an NFL feel to it. Multiple networks,

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cross promotion this and that, and the understanding at the

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time was type, when we expand the college Football Playoff,

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we're going to involve different networks, going to evolve different this,

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We're going to involve different debt. And so I just

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bring it up only to say that to me, it

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always felt weird that the second that this thing expanded

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to twelve that it was solely an ESPN property, And

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so you know, I don't have much more on that,

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but I find it interesting, and like I said, it

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was always weird to me that this is where we

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ended up once we expanded the playoff. I think there's

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probably something to that with what Joel.

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Speaker 3: Said, Yeah, well, where does the Big Big twelve standard

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all news? How do you feel what's the level of

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optimism should there be, what level of optos should there

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be amongst the Big twelve members right now about their future?

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I think it's certainly would have helped

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if Texas Tech had shown a little bit better. And

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I think, you know, I think America got to appreciate

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how good that defense is, but they needed a little

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bit more offensively. I think the good thing is it

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is very obvious with the Brennan Sorsby you know, transaction

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if you will, that they're not flowing down, and just

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because they had success, and just because we have this

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this house settlement that you know, they don't you know,

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they don't seem to be abiding by a million dollar

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house settlement. And you know, I'll leave it up to

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them as how they disfurst their money. I really don't care,

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you know, but I do think it's important that BYU

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continues on the trajectory that it's on. I do think

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it's important that you know, frankly, you know, the guys

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across the state continue to have success as Kyle Winningham

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starts at another job. And I think that's really what

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it is is. I think having year in and year out,

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multiple teams or at least one that can really compete

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at the highest level. Right. It's funny how we talked

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about how bad the ACC was all year. Now all

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of a sudden, Miami you know, punks Texas A and

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m S Texas A and M punks Ohio State, all

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of a sudden, it doesn't seem to be as much

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of a talking point. So I think it's on the

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Big twelve keep doing what they've been doing. You know,

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think there's probably three to four schools that can spend it,

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maybe a different level, that can put together a different

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caliber roster. And then I think you just got to

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have success once you get to the postseason. I think

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as importantly, you know, success in out of conference games.

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And actually, then I have one more thought. I don't

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want to go along? Can I Can I expand on

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one thing really quick? Or are we short on top?

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Speaker 2: No? No, you go ahead, we got some time.

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Speaker 4: Okay. What I was gonna say was, and you and

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I didn't talked during the whole playoff situation, you know,

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BYU being left out. One guy that I was pretty

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disappointed in throughout the process was Brett you or Mark,

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and you know, I vividly remember him at Big twelve

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media day all the way back in July saying we

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expect to have two teams in the college football playoff.

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And for about three weeks, you know, I don't know

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how you feel about it or how you did feel

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about it then, but you know, for about three weeks

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you could see the BYU thaying coming of they're here now,

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but if they lose to Texas Tech the second time,

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and you know that's assuming there's no crazy up that's late,

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you know, Notre Dame doesn't take a weird loss in Miami, whatever.

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You could see the scenario where BYU was going to

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be left out if they were if they lost in

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the Big twelve championship game. And you know, it was

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something that I kind of fought on my platforms, but

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I was disappointed that Brett Yormark, who for months was

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talking about we deserve multiple teams, we deserve this, we

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deserve that. All of a sudden you're on the cusp

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of having multiple teams, and you got guys like Aaron Torres,

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And I'm not comparing myself to this guy because he's

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got a way bigger platform than I have. But Dave Fortinnoy,

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Why why is Dave Portannoy advocating more for the Big

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twelve than than brett Ormark was. So that to me

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was a disappointing thing, especially because he was so vocal

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about how he believed that the conference as a whole

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played good enough football where they should have two teams

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in the College football playoffs.

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Speaker 2: You think Brett's just positioning himself to enter the.

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Speaker 4: Portal conference to USA. You know, I heard Doug Gottlie's

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complaining about the commissioner and their conference in whatever, you know,

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whatever conference he's in, So maybe that's what brett Ormark.

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So then maybe that's where he's transitioning. I don't know, man,

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I just you know, listen.

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Speaker 3: I think he's sixty one, Sanky sixty one what he said,

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I said, Greg Sankeye, sixty one years of age.

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Speaker 2: He's almost to the right.

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Speaker 4: Time and age. Well, all I'm saying is, you know,

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I think he's done a lot of very savvy stuff

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in terms of you know, creating the brands of the

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Big Twelve and you know, basically positioning the league is

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the third power conference of the of the four. But

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I thought he really dropped the ball without publicly coming

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out and support at BYU until and I couldn't be wrong.

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What was it was? It was either the day of

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the Big Twelve championship game or afterward when it was

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really a two or three or four week story that

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you could see coming at your pen attention.

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Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, No, I agree with I think there's some

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constructive criticism that could be laid on the shoulders of

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Brett Yormark really wasn't a vocal advocate what I mean,

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or he's his teams that were trending in that direction

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maybe didn't buy into what they were building.

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Speaker 2: Apparently there you have.

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Speaker 3: It, aerin Torris, Aaron, best way to support you what

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you do, how you do it for all of our listeners.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, the Air Tors podcast every morning YouTube you

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know podcast you know wherever? Host the Fox Sports Radio

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National recap show on Saturday nights. Aaron Underscore Tour is

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on Twitter. You want for me? I actually talked BYU

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a little bit on the show. I guess it would

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have been yesterday. Kind of recapping the BYU basketball opener.

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I think that they're the most underdiscussed team in America

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thirteen and one. It just feels like nobody's talking about.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the power couple of football and basketball at BYU.

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They got to be at least a top a top ten,

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top five team with those two teams combined. When you

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when you combine both of them, they are trending in

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the right direction, no doubt.

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Speaker 4: I can't think of anybody who would be ranked higher

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right now. But we'll see if Ky and the boys

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can keep it up. But I think they will. They're

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playing really well. I think just because they don't have

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that super signature win, I don't think they get enough credit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally get that erin Torre's, Ladies and gentlemen, thanks

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so much for joining us today.

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Speaker 4: Brother, All right, Ben, we'll do it again soon.

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Speaker 3: Brother.

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Speaker 4: Thanks, you appreciate you the goo erin Torres.

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