Speaker 1: What's up everybody. Welcome to Challenge, the podcast all about
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Speaker 1: Hey, we're just gonna jump right in. Guys, we're doing
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Speaker 1: And the Fantasy League is super fun. It really does
like make the like watching the season more enjoyable. I agree,
you're like rooting for people every time you're like, oh
I wrote you know, yeah, you get into it's fun.
Speaker 3: And if you win, you get the chance come talk
with us.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Which hopefully, hopefully ZACT didn't completely fuck up the
recording because last week we did an episode zero that
may never come out, so we might have to we
might have to get Jeremy back on here because our
winner from last season, Jeremy joined us for the episode
zero and episode zero still has posted because he's having
some serious issues with trying to get it all put together.
Speaker 4: And also if you can't win the fantasy competition, just
make sure your spouse does and you can still get on.
Speaker 2: Yes, Jeremy's Jeremy's wife Jamie joined us as well. Hey,
you know you live in the same house. That's your perk.
Speaker 1: That'd be a bummer to lose an episode. But I
don't think we've lost many episodes this podcast.
Speaker 2: Really, I don't think we have either, but I mean
at least not since I joined knock on Wood. Yeah, hopefully,
hopefully we can get out there. You might be getting
episode zero, like two or three episodes in.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, this season starts off with TJ's monologue
I hate these I don't even I just I don't
like it. We reached from I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't actually mind this one as much though, because
it was like it's the very first episode of the season.
He like, if you hadn't seen episode zero, this was
somewhat necessary. It's like, I didn't, I didn't mind this
one as much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 2: Turned down just slightly more.
Speaker 1: More more down slightly Yeah, thank goodness. All right, so
we start this game right off of the challenge, no
warm ups, no nothing. We are just straight into the challenge.
Speaker 2: This one is called they have sounders today.
Speaker 1: It's like on another board. I'm not as good at
this ship as wolf is.
Speaker 2: Well, you're running all of it. So there, which, by
the way, Wolfe is not here because we said in
the previous kick off to the show that is now
lost to time. Wolf he is being an excellent stand
up boyfriends and is at the at a concert for
his girlfriend's daughter, who is absolute killing it in the
music industry, and hopefully she goes far with it. So yep,
way to go Wolfe on being an upstanding gentleman.
Speaker 1: All that he'll never listen to this though, No, he's
never gonna listen to it.
Speaker 2: But you know, we pretend, so.
Speaker 1: Zach Candy play this game mudball Madness. What is this game?
Speaker 4: So there's gonna be two rounds, and each time a
bunch of balls of different colors will be dropped into
the middle of this big mud pile. The different colors
all represent different points, whose ones are what one point,
five points and ten points? Yeah, it's right, yeah, and
you're you're attached to your partner, so you have to
try to run down there. You can each only grab
one ball at a time and then run back up
and put them in your and your container.
Speaker 3: Whoever gets the most points wins.
Speaker 1: Yep. So I watched this episode twice and I'm glad
I didcuz TJ does give a little tidbit here that
comes in later, and let's pick the sukuy apart. Here,
TJ says at the end of this challenge, he says
the winners are safe. They also pick another team that
will also be safe. Last place goes right into elimination
and the rest of the house is the jury.
Speaker 2: Yep, it's up for the potential elimination or potential going
into elimination.
Speaker 1: Well, but he says, you're in the jury. You're in
the like get you're deciding who goes in. So he
says winners are safe, they pick another safe team, last
place goes in. The rest of the house is the jury.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a little misleading.
Speaker 1: I didn't catch that, yes, and that's I don't know.
It's one of these that we can get into it later.
I wonder if production fucking changed their mind when they
saw it. When they see that, they like fucking broke
a game mechanic right away. Then we're gonna have just
like pretend like it didn't happen.
Speaker 2: Well, and it's an it's an easy enough game mechanic that, like,
I mean, I know that we have had many conspiracy
theories in the past about oh, well they change points
or whatever, but this is one that's easy enough that
like no knows whether that rule is there or not
that they can just tweak it a little bit because
they have never had a game like this before where
the people who were safe get to also vote, at
least not to my memory. Yeah, but you know spoilers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the whole thing seems kind of shady. But yeah,
I re listened to that a couple of times, you know,
in light of how it ended.
Speaker 4: So and also I'm usually the one that's on here
defending production, being like there's lawyers they've been No, I
agree that sounds shady.
Speaker 3: If there was ever Shenanigans, this is it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I yeah, and it now that you now that
you say this again, it makes me think, like when
they're having conversations later on, like that must be where
the conversations coming from. But with this game, the other
thing that TJ mentions at the very beginning is there's
not going to be any coasting in this game. He
says there are going to be points for the top
eight teams. I don't know if he says that then
or not, but he says they're going to be points,
and these points are are going to come into play
later on in the game, which kind of makes me
think that they're just gonna be bullshit like they happen
every other season. But there's something about not coasting in
the game. And like mav says in the chat room,
I'm so fucking happy that the last Place goes into elimination.
Speaker 1: Yes, that needs to be every season, that always yep, yep, yep,
for sure.
Speaker 4: I think I'm the only one on the panel that's
not a fan like the Skulls or like Last Place
going in. Like, I think there should be a space
and room where if you're not the strongest, but you
have the best social game, the best strategic game, you
should be able to navigate your way at the end.
Speaker 1: Still, Yeah, I just don't. There's a physical element to
this game, you know. That's That's where I'm at with it.
There just is there's the physical element. It's not Big
Brother Survivor. There's you should be a really good physical competitor.
Speaker 2: And honestly, Zach, this episode kind of proves the it.
You don't have to be the biggest and strongest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just have to be pretty well rounded. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So no, I like, I don't disagree with you, Like,
if you have a good political game, you should have
a way to like figure out your way to the end.
But I mean, this is the challenge for a reason.
These things are competitive and they are physical, and if
you can't do the physical shit, then you should not
be able to go to the final.
Speaker 4: I think you should all make it to the final.
But yeah, that's where the physical kicks in. Like if
you've gone all seasons skating by not doing long challenges,
once you get to a final, that's where you have
to you know, show up physically.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Stove says, I hope they actually eliminate people
not for having points. Don't tease it and it doesn't
end up mattering completely agree, yep.
Speaker 1: The points. The points have the potential to be awesome
and change everything. The points also have a potential to
be like why do we track points off fucking season
for nothing?
Speaker 2: I Mean every other time we've seen something like that
it has ended up being just useless.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, we'll see. I don't have a ton of hope,
but we will. We will see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so oh sorry. I took a few notes
because I was I really enjoyed this episode. I this
is not just for the challenge, this is kind of
all of the reality shows that I watch in general.
There seems to be a trend recently in reality TV
where they are starting to kind of break that fourth
wall and Anissa talking with her partner Gabe and me
he's Gabe, Leo, Leo, Leoh, Anissa talking with her partner Leo.
They're doing the on the fly interview and he goes,
what do we talk in this? Like? Are we silent?
And she gives the quick rundown of oh, this isn't
on the fly, this is what we do, all that
sort of thing, and then tell us production, you know,
when you want to give me a job behind the camera.
But I loved that they are starting to break the
fourth wall, and I hope that that like sort of
thing kind of continues, so we see kind of some
of the behind the scenes shit as well. And it's
not just like I really like it, They've been doing
it in a lot of other shows that I watch,
and I I fucking love it. I think it makes
it makes it. It makes the show feel a lot
more real, not quite so stage yep. Yeahstov says Survivor
did a lot of that and they're forty one forty
two and then it was awesome.
Speaker 1: Oh, me and Zach talked about that on Survivor. I
didn't like how Jeff Probes did it. He was a
little cheeseball with it.
Speaker 4: But Jeff's come out said he regrets doing it that way,
and you do it differently now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, Yeah, I think there's good and bad
ways to do it. I'm not I think he leaned
in a little too hard for Yeah. Anissa says she's
been in the gym, she's running training. She does look
like she's in better shape than she's been in the past,
but she's still as old and she's had all these
injuries and you know, t twenty seasons.
Speaker 2: Has anyone else competed in twenty seasons? Banana's Anissa? Anybody else?
Speaker 3: Maybe Wes.
Speaker 2: There are so many twenty seasons A fucking lot. Yeah,
oh yeah. EDWARDO says the points better not be like
the damn Karma points. Yeah, totally agree. Karma points are bullshit,
Like maybe it's funny, they better do something with these,
but I don't like how And I mean we've talked
about it a bitch about this every season.
Speaker 1: The first couple episodes. You don't even know the rules,
you don't know what these points are for, you don't
know nothing, you don't know if the jury votes. I
don't know if I like this. I think we should
know what these points are and know why they're valuable,
and know what they're doing this stuff where it's like,
I don't know, it just seems weird when they don't
tell us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know if there's any fans that'd be
upset they just went back to like recycling the classics.
Speaker 3: You know, we should be on like Gauntlet, you know
ten by now, Like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be kind of fun to see that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we don't need a totally new game every time.
Speaker 2: I also, I'm kind of super fucking stoked about this season.
Like this episode I really enjoyed, the next or this
season on, I really enjoy I'm I'm looking forward to
the season. I'm really hoping that it doesn't let me
down because I I'm stoked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this seems like a fun one.
Speaker 4: I enjoyed this episode at the same time, I was
getting so mad that I wanted to scream with some people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure, he says in regards to Anissa running
training breaking angles again. Probably yep, she's looking rough and
she's just old. She needs to be done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of people that are old and rough looking
and need to be done uh ct.
Speaker 4: H.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he looks as bad as as he's ever looked.
He in this challenge. They haven't even started the challenge yet.
But he looks like such a fucking fat piece of
ship and these challenges, he looks like a sloppy grosser.
Speaker 2: He says it. He calls himself that he knows that
he is out of shape. He knows that he is
like the Yeah, he he knows that he is not
in the tip top shape that he was in a
few seasons ago. And that should happen fast. It shows
you just how old these people are because between the
last season he was on in this season, he gained
a lot of weight. He has a lot of that
like that happens fast when you get old.
Speaker 1: He's got a heavier.
Speaker 4: Did he do that on purpose? Because he has the thing.
At this point, people have caught on to dad bod CT.
They know he comes in with, so he's like, I
can't do Dadby anymore. I need to do just like
pure fat CT.
Speaker 2: I don't think he did it on purpose. He had
the whole shit with the with the OnlyFans model. I
think it was just a purely a I mean shit,
when we all saw him, he was in good shape.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that all.
Speaker 2: Happened between when we all saw him and when this
was filming, which was not a whole lot of time.
But I think it was just he he went through
a fucking spiral downward and it caught up with him
real fast. I don't because when he saw him in
Chicago he was still fucking hot.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: He he After the episode, he did post a selfie
of himself and he's back to prime CD shape.
Speaker 3: So yeah, he has shut it the weight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he does say Zach though, that he's doing
it to the kind of sleep on him. But he says, hey,
I have won four out of the last seven challenges,
but people are still sleeping on me. Just like, wait
till you see what I can do. Yeah, I mean
that's true, So we'll see but man, I'm not encouraged
watching CT this first this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this first episode was a little it was it
was rough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was rough, all right. So with that,
we're onto the challenge guys. This is when it actually starts.
And I don't have many notes from what they actually
do here because it's like and maybe this is uh,
maybe I don't have a popular opinion here, but I
don't like these challenges when they're this big because you
can't fucking see anything. Yeah, it was like drone shots
and it was like the action cams that you know,
but it was just like muddy splashes and stuff and
then far away shots and I don't know, like I
know that that's a big production, but wasn't it better
when it's like a smaller thing and the camera guys
are right there and you can actually see them doing it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I just have a feeling that it's a lot
harder for them to shoot, Like the more the more
intricate ones. This one, I'm sure was really fucking easy
to shoot. They know they've got a ton of people.
This way, they can focus on as many people as
they want. They can pull footage from wherever. I just
have Fielians purely for ease of shooting that they start
out with big ones like this. I mean, the only
things that really like stood out in.
Speaker 1: This were.
Speaker 2: Adrian taking her shoes off, which was so funny, and
slicing her foot open. Ye, lots of lots of the
girl oh uh, Turbo's partner America uh consistently falling down.
She said that she and Turbo agreed to go uh
slow and steady, and she found out that it was
Turbo slow and steady, not her slow and steady, so
he's like carrying her half of the time. She's constantly
falling down. Ashley was falling down and had Gabe falling
on top of her trying to think of what else.
Oh c t Yeah, Cet was houffing and puff in
the whole time. But his his partner Taylor or tay tay,
she was doing a pretty good job of like keeping
it going. Yeah. First round was a mix of all
of the different colored balls. Second round because they dropped
two different sets of balls. Second round was a ton
of one point balls and like ten ten point balls.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was the part where we get the
a VV flashback, which was actually really cool because she
talked about fresh meat, which we just got done watching.
So yeah, she talked about her she won that season,
and so you know, you know, she's like, I know
you can win as a newbie. I think me and
I forget even then hear me, I think they have
a good chance of winning. So we'll see I like
a vive more. We're seeing more of her actually talking
and I like, yeah, she's when she's saying things.
Speaker 2: I like her too.
Speaker 1: I don't know why took her shoe off? Did it
say it? Did it ever say she took.
Speaker 2: Her shoes off because she kept slipping in the mud.
But everybody kept slipping in the mud. Everybody's shoes were
slipping in the mud. Yeah, Rogan told her that she
should take her shoes off she might get more purchase.
I'm like, this is so fucking stupid. You are running
in mud and you are the very first challenge, Like
what are you doing? If you fuck up and if
you slice your foot open, there's a chance that you're
gonna be done.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yep, I think as it's just you know, her
shoe game, stuck in the mud, just slipping on that
like can't get it out, and yeah, it's just like,
you know, take it off then it won't get stuck.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Stove brings up too that they didn't tell you the
team's points, and yes, that's another thing that it's very
uninteresting to watch when you don't have any clue what's happening.
Speaker 2: You know, where people are at in the rankings.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, man, it like it really does increase my enjoyment.
When it's like Johnny Banana's fourteen points and whoever else
sixteen points, then you're sort of like you're in it.
You're sort of form, you know what's Yeah, this is
like it's just chaos until TJ announces things and it's like.
Speaker 2: Well, I, in all honesty, I have a feeling they
probably didn't. They probably could have with you know, editing
and all that sort of thing, but they didn't have
people standing at each one of those goal points like
go posts, taking notes type of thing, So it may
have just been really difficult for them to, you know,
give us the point tallies as it's going. But like
fudge it a little bit like we're never gonna know,
give us, give us something. It would have been so
much more interesting.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. It doesn't need to be exact. We
just have to have some general idea of what's happening,
because yeah, it's otherwise we have no contact. Like I
would have liked to know how many CT got compared
to everybody else, you know.
Speaker 2: Uh, sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 3: I was GOA.
Speaker 4: I didn't mind this because I feel like while they're
running back and forth, it's gonna be changing so quickly.
The none that's gonna be consistent. But what we did
see is after the first round, it did show us
the four highest and the four lowest. So you did
get to see miss who's like in the lead and
who's close to being the model person.
Speaker 2: And I watched and missed that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just take it notes. I just looked down or something.
Speaker 2: I was doing other things while watching both times. Yeah,
Stove said one that CT is Michael Jordan. He plays
himself into shape and to these new kids don't know
how to properly tie their damn shoes. I agree with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah's see al right, So challenge is basically over. But
before TJ announces who the winners and every everything, Adrian's
got to go to the ambulance and get all stitched up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she literally gets stitches in the bottom of her foot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm and I guess we'll see, but I would
be surprised if they let her keep playing. Usually stitches
are sort of game over. We've seen people like, you're
getting a stitch on the bottom of your foot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, normally, normally if you have an open wound, especially
if it's on your foot, they it's game over because
like they're jumping into water in all these like international
places where you don't know what the fuck's in the water.
We've seen it multiple times where people have had like
I think Melissa was one of them, where she cut
her foot open when she tried to do a cartwheel
in the middle of the living room and like smacked
her foot on the the light picture light mixture, and
they wouldn't let her compete anymore because they were jumping
into water in the next one, and she was done.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, stitches seem like into.
Speaker 2: Elimination or something. It was like it was very much
a no, you cannot do this, you are not allowed
in that water.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I shocked me most have I call correctly.
Speaker 4: I believe she cut her foot near the end of
the first round, and then they're like, yeah, we'll just
keep going in the second round, then you can get
looked at.
Speaker 3: I'm surprised they let her do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm too, Yes she was.
Speaker 2: Honestly, they may they may not have seen it. There
are so many people out there and they're all covered
in mud. They may not have even known.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a shot of the bloody coming out
of her fot, but I guess if we don't know,
that might've been after that all and spliced in and
who knows how that all goes. But she comes out
just with it wrapped up, and she's wearing crocs now,
so she's gonna survive at least. And this is when
TJ announces all the winners and losers and all that everybody.
So top eight players get points. These are the players
that get points. Naya and Justin get one point, Leroy
and Sidney two points, Ashley and Gabe three points, Mikayla
will four points, Olivia Cedric five, THEO and Izzy six
of Ev and Jermy seven Bananas and d They are
the winners of today, the best team. They get that
full eight points. Everybody else gets no points.
Speaker 2: I would have liked to know how close all the team,
all of those teams were on points.
Speaker 1: Same, same, same, same, and the last place team is
Rogan and Adrian.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really, like I that kind of threw me.
Speaker 1: I did not expect that me either. It must have
been Adrian's foot, really must have been.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they must have really sucked it up that second half,
because I didn't think that they were doing that badly.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I had a feeling once she endured to fit,
I'm like, oh, this is probably like setting up them
coming in last.
Speaker 3: But so too shocked.
Speaker 2: For some reason, I thought it was going to be
like CT or Yeah, honestly, I thought it was gonna
be CT. I can't even say that it was gonna
be on anybody else. I completely thought that it was
going to be CT.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he had to be second to last.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean you saw did you see him when
they were when he was running through all the points,
and then when they said when TJ said that it
was Rogan and Adrian CT kind of like big blowout
like Bend's over, Like, oh my god, Yeah, I cannot
believe we made it through this.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: Like I think he expected to be the last place too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I love this, and like I'm not normally
a Bananas fan, but I'm also not a UK fan,
so I really liked that this was immediately set up
a UK versus bananas and on the first challenge, Bananas
wins it and a UK person loses it. It's like, oh,
this guy fucked man, Like, yeah, straight up the first thing.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I just found it really fucking funny because Rogan
irks the absolute shit out of me. He thinks that
he's so big and bad, but his his tan is
out of fucking control. His like uber White, the straightest
fucking teeth you can ever possibly imagine, like such such
obvious veneers. I don't I don't understand his look. I
don't get it. Kyle has the same kind of look
like that that Jeordie Shore that I do not understand it. It's
the same thing as the Jersey Shore here, Like, I
just don't understand it. I don't get it. It is
not my thing. It I see it on Real Housewives
in New Jersey all the time. So because half the
guys on there have the same kind of look.
Speaker 1: Women women do too. I see venirs like Nanni's got
those Veneers that every time it's like, Nan need to get.
Speaker 2: Those things out like they just do not fit her face.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes her makes her lips lay weird or something.
Speaker 2: It has turned This is going to sound really, really,
really bad. I realized this. It gives her a horse face,
like it draws everything, Like her mouth is just so
long because of them. They are the wrong size for
her face.
Speaker 1: Yep, I agree, all right, So Rogan and Adrian are
going in. But then TJ says, I love surprises. So
he pulls out a coin. This was like, I lied, Yeah,
this is and this is this whole thing is super
fucking weird. He pulls out a coin and on one
side has five hundred and one side has a man,
and for some reason, the man is a man and
the five hundreds of a woman. Who knows? Why? Why
is this?
Speaker 2: What I just said? This men tails as women, we
would have.
Speaker 1: All understood a man and a woman or something. I
don't know. It's weird. This is weird. This whole thing
is fucking weird. And are they doing this every time
or is it just the first for.
Speaker 2: The first time?
Speaker 1: Why not just a regular quarter? Why did they talk
about it being a five?
Speaker 2: Is the international they're in? What Santiago? They're in Chile?
So I think it was just a you know, yeah,
it was. It was stupid. It was so distracting.
Speaker 1: It's very distracting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to ask you guys this question on Bananas,
since you know Tim brop Bananas versus the world. Did
anyone else because this is at this point where I
think about it. I was like, he had to know
Olivia was coming after him from early on there were
still British women available to pick when he chose his partner,
choose a brit and you are protected by Olivian theo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Bananas doesn't think that's that sort of thing.
He thinks it just dick.
Speaker 4: That's the first time I want to yell someone because
I'm like, what are you doing?
Speaker 3: Bananas, like, just choose a brit to begin with.
Speaker 2: And no, he wanted to think with his dick. He
wanted he wanted a partner that he could fuck.
Speaker 4: And then and then they can't do the UK line,
so if they did, they'd have to work with Bananas.
Speaker 2: That or he's just so far up his own ass
that he doesn't realize that he can do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see how it all works out.
Speaker 2: I'm really fucking hard and it comes and bites him
in the ass and he goes home in like two episodes. God,
that's gonna be great. I would love that to happen.
Speaker 1: Well, now we're back. Sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say I don't want because I love bananas,
but too, I think Tim Cavalud to earlier. I'm team US,
like if it's US for its UK, I want.
Speaker 1: The UK to go down, even though it's Olivia.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm you this season?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I'm I hate Olivia this season too. We're
about to get into that.
Speaker 2: Olivia looks real hot this season.
Speaker 1: Olivia's hot Olivia. I mean, she doesn't do it for
me anymore.
Speaker 3: She's annoying me this episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mendy. So if if episode zero's ever released, we
go to it, go into it in that. As far
as who got to pick what partners, they did kind
of the same thing that they did on Fresh Meat,
where there was a competition and then in the order
that they finished that competition they got to pick their partners.
But the competition in episode zero was the entire cast.
It wasn't just the vets or just the threats, it
was everybody. So they had to run to the top
of a Mountain, and in the order that they finished
was the order that they got to pick, and they
got to pick anybody on the cast or anybody of
the opposite sex from the opposite group on the cast.
So that's how they all got their partners. But it
was kind of interspersed of threat Some of the threats
were the ones who got to pick, and some of
the vets for the one who got to pick. And yes,
as Steve says, episode zero is free on YouTube's or
MTV's YouTube channel, yep, and that's worth worth it's worth watching,
all right, Well.
Speaker 1: With that one in a club night. So club night,
you know, it's all politics. It's all just a bunch
of little conversations about everything. It seems like it's either
gonna be ben or justin that's going in.
Speaker 2: I do have I don't know. I don't remember if
this was in club night or some other time, but
at one point in time, Leo gives us our first real,
like actual explanation of what he would do with the money.
And it's the first one that anyone has ever like
truly been honest with it. Just that Yeah, I'm a degenerate,
I would go and like spend a bunch of money
on a fucking car.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. Yeah, I have his quote, and he
says something like, yeah, I'm gonna spend half of it
on a car. The half I'm gonna show my if
my dad's gonna have show me how to finance it
and build it up. It's like, that's not.
Speaker 2: I'm a degenerate.
Speaker 1: It's like, that's not the right words, dude, You're not
you saying the right stuff.
Speaker 3: That's great. I love that, all right.
Speaker 1: But I did like this too. We see a bunch
of kind of hustling kind of surrounding Ben and Justin
and then the UK people and bananas and stuff. So
there's a bunch of conversations, some get a little heated.
The one that I thought was kind of revealing, though,
was when Rogan goes up and talks to Ben, because
it seems like everybody knows it's going to be between
those two, and Rogan just basically says, hey, Ben, here's
the deal. I don't really have anything against you. You
seem fine, So I think it's gonna be Justin. All
you gotta do is voute with me and then it's
not gonna be you. And Ben is just like fucking a.
That sounds great, No problem.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do the same thing if I were Ben.
Speaker 1: Would you. I don't like how he just kind of
capitulated and then acted like Rogan was all buddy buddy,
like this was not a buddy move. This was this is.
Speaker 2: It's not a buddy mood, but it is a game move.
He's brand new to this game. They've only been in
this in the house for like four days. He doesn't
want to go home immediately. And if it's something that's
going to cover his ass for right now, absolutely, you
bet your ass. I'm gonna sit there and be like, yeah, sure,
you're gonna say somebody else's name. Yeah, cool, I will
go with you on that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, that's exactly what it is. It's it's the
anybody but me defense, which you know, yeah, that works
for a minute, but it's you know, let's let's be real.
If Rogan's going in next week again, he's gonna pick
Ben next time. This is not buying you any time,
And Rogan's not your buddy. He just wants your vote
for this vote.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I don't mind him like agreeing in the
moment as long as that doesn't is not where he
leaves it, like you then go to Bonans, you then
go to like someone else it's not with you, and say,
this is what it's doing.
Speaker 3: How do we get this against the UK?
Speaker 1: Like yeah, totally. It seemed like he just accepted it,
like now me and Rogan we're tight, we're good, which
is like, that's not that's not what just happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would not be doing that. I would be
doing I'd be absolutely taking the deal of like, oh,
you're not gonna put me and you're gonna put somebody else,
and yeah, sure, I'll take the deal, but in the
back of my head and be like cool, that's gonna
work for today only. Yeah, like I know that this
is not gonna go any farther and we'll see.
Speaker 1: Maybe he's smarter than I give him credit for, but
I didn't get that impression.
Speaker 2: But that's the other thing is they also had to
vote with a partner, so like hopefully he took it
back to his partner and was like, hey, yep, his
partner was Oh no, not Kara. Who's partner, Ben's partner? Yeah, Uh,
that's Justin's partner. Ben's partner is nanny?
Speaker 1: All right? Not well, speaking of partners, Naya is worried
because Justin is sort of up in the conversation, and
of course Nya is worried because she you know, at
this point they don't know if your partner goes in,
does that mean you're going in or do you just
go home if your partner goes home.
Speaker 2: Rogan is such a fucking coward.
Speaker 1: This.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's nothing, It just the fact that he
it really annoyed me. Sorry, I know that I cut
you up on that, but it really really really irked
me that he immediately threw out Ben and Justin's names
when the last time we saw him, not the last time,
but his second season, he went up against what's his
face and j Jay and damn near put that boy
in the hospital. Like, dude, we all know that you
are significantly bigger. Like you say that you like? His
whole his whole reasoning when he was talking to Ben
was like, yeah, you know, I've been telling everybody like
I don't care who I go against, some confident against anybody,
But then is he is he talked me into going
against someone who's who's easier to be. So that's how
I decide, No, fucking just own up to the fact
that you're a fucking coward and you don't actually think
you can beat everybody because you look like a fucking
I was so mad seeing all of this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think there's any shame in just saying like, hey,
here's the deal. I want to win the money and
I think I can beat Justin, So like just sending Justin, yeah,
I'd be fine. That's that's at least honest.
Speaker 4: You know, if I'm if I'm in the challenge and
I'm going to elimination, I want the biggest lay up there, Like,
give me the easiest person to beat.
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to go out there and like.
Speaker 2: But just fucking say that you're yeah, yeah, yeah. To
Mendy's point, Mendy says, he came in last why I
give him a choice one hundred percent. And I feel
like we've said this about this this particular person before,
because he's done that. He did this shit last season.
He was in yep.
Speaker 1: Uh. Well, and Olivia. This is when Olivia starts bothering me,
and I don't know why. It seems like she's like
trying to control the game now and she's sort of
speaking on behalf of the UK Alliance when she's not
from the UK, and so it's weird, like she's really
only part of it because of THEO.
Speaker 2: No, but she's knocked up by a UK and Alliance member.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so as she's going around it's I don't know,
she just is talking sort of weirdly aggressively, and I
don't know, I'm just not I'm not into Olivia during
this part.
Speaker 2: It was a lot of strange.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's was it nice she was talking
to at one point, and I think it's And I
was like, well, I don't know if I don't want
either going and Livia is like, well, just deal, it's happening.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that was.
Speaker 1: That's exactly it. Yeah, uh yeah, So I thought that
was rude. And then we see THEO and Bananas there
talking and during some of that, Olivia comes out during
some of that, and I don't like THEO during this
part either. And I normally like THEO and I think
he's sort of a straight shooter guy, but he's just
playing dumb to Bananas, which is not a good look
for him. He's just like Bananas, I never said your name.
I never said your name, which like maybe you didn't
say it, but like you're clearly part of this whole thing.
Speaker 2: And but Bananas was also playing dumb because at one
point time, Banana says, you can't sit here and make
me feel like I'm the reason my name is being
thrown around. Bananas, you are always the reason your name
is being thrown around, because you have won seven times
and people want you out of the house immediately. Yeah,
you are always the reason your name is being thrown around,
and acting like you're not is such such a fucking horseshit,
especially when you win the first challenge.
Speaker 1: Like, dude, he does this every season, though he does
this every season like yeah, you know, anybody that's even
whispering his name is he's gonna throw a fucking temper tantrum.
Speaker 2: About it, fair love war and challenges until it has
anything to do with me.
Speaker 1: This is the Bananas thing.
Speaker 4: THEO be like, yeah, you're not voting me in, but
will you put your foot down when the other U
can't do and like say, I will defend Bananas, you
will not throw him in And because obviously Theo's gonna say.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, uh well anyway, so justin he seems like
he's sort of giving up. He knows his name is
being thrown around, and he's just sort of he's like, Oh,
what am I gonna do about it? You know, I
just have to deal with it. So he's just sort
of at this point anyway, he's just sort of accepted it.
Speaker 4: But sorry that I was just gonna say so going
back to Olvia thing real quick on a pump.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys saw the same way.
Speaker 4: But Ryan reminded me a lot of the way I
felt towards Jay and Michelle in season thirty nine. Yeah,
there's just a sense of entitlement, like whatever we say,
the house has to go by.
Speaker 2: Yes, that is absolutely what it was. You are so right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, its somebody that is sort of not equipped to
make decisions trying to make everyone else's decision for them, Like, yeah,
you've seen people on the Challenge do this, so now
you're gonna try. But she's being clumsy about it, and
I don't like it.
Speaker 2: Honestly. It was like Wes in Fresh Meat trying to
make all kinds of decisions and make the house go
along with him and looking like a fucking jackass.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, that's kind of what happened with Olivia.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, at least for now, it seems like it did
work out for Olivia because she got her way in
the end.
Speaker 1: But yeah, for now, all right, Well, now we're back
at the house. But this is you know, post clubs.
Everybody's still kind of little drinking and booze and whatever.
And this is when we get Derek and Justin talking.
Speaker 2: Derek is so drunk. Derek is drunk conversation.
Speaker 1: Yep, and they're doing the thing. So Justin is comes
from a cheerleading background, he's gay, and Derek is relating
to this as also a gay guy comingto the challenge
sort of disrespected in sort of a physical competition way.
And you know, as a gay guy who's on the
smaller side, you have to prove yourself even more. Yeah,
and so Derek to give him some advice, a little
commiseration and then says, hey, no matter what, man, I'm
not going to say your name. Blue is not going
to say your name Like You're good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got us on your corner.
Speaker 3: Derek is also on my shirt list so far this season.
I was not a Derek.
Speaker 2: Both Derek's are on my ship list.
Speaker 1: Oh, we'll get into that in the votes. I have
numbers with these votes. I don't normally keep numbers, but yeah,
I needed to go back and see how this vote
would have worked out had a couple of people made
a better decision. Uh, we gotta work out montage. Woot woot.
First of the season, guys, Turbot has a shirt that
says you cannot copy my walk that it's pretty fucking through.
Speaker 3: Challenge t shirts.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I so Turbo got me a few times in this episode,
and I really really really hope that Funny Turbo is
back this season off because we had a few times
where Funny Turbo came out and I hope that he stays.
Speaker 1: I think he will.
Speaker 2: Funny Turbo is so good.
Speaker 1: Yeah he seems this season. Yeah, I like him all right.
And so now we're in this politicking part of the
house right where there's a bunch of conversations about who's
going in and why did you did you.
Speaker 2: Notice in the did you notice the music in the politicking?
Like in this whole thing, especially when they're talking with Johnny,
it starts off sounding like the Godfather and then they
like throw other like you know, you know, electronics shit
in on top of it. But I'm listening to it, going,
are we watching The Godfather? Is that what's happening?
Speaker 1: I have to admit never, I've never seen The Godfather.
Speaker 2: It's been many, many many years.
Speaker 1: Never sat.
Speaker 2: I don't know that I've seen the entire thing, but
I know some of the music, like the typical that
typical sound. I don't know it just maybe laughing.
Speaker 1: I have no iub I can say it.
Speaker 4: I've seen the first one. I have not seen the
second two, the second third.
Speaker 1: I've also not seen Titanic. What you believe that nobody
believes that it's true.
Speaker 2: That's bread.
Speaker 1: Actually I worked at the movie theater when that when
that movie was out him is there was.
Speaker 3: Enough room for two?
Speaker 2: Yes, there absolutely was on the door or whatever. Yeah,
I know, I know that are Yeah, it was scientifically proven.
Speaker 1: So we get Leroy Blue and Derek talking uh, and
Lera basically says like straight up like, there's no real
good choices here because it's the people that we want
to throw in are aligned with people we don't want
to throw in. Yeah, and we don't know what that
does to that person. So you know, they're everybody's kind
of trying to come up with a safe choice as
they're sort of figuring out the rules here, and then
ash that we get Ashley talking to Aviv and Nanny
and Leroy, and Ashley seems to be the one that
says like, hey, we should focus on UK. UK is
coming for bananas. It seems like it's gonna be another
US versus UK thing, like we need to focus on
just getting UK people out, and after that that seems
like the thing, right, they were just gonna get UK people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just pretty focused on that.
Speaker 3: I thought it was pretty stupid.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you guys selt the same way
that they seem so concerned about what's gonna happen the partner,
because I just feel like, if you've watched or played
in enough of these seasons, they're not gonna have like
a coin flip to decide this some Men'sday or Women's
Day and then send home the other partner gendered without
giving them a chance to fight for themselves.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I agree with that, But at the same time,
I could see them all being so fucking paranoid that
they that they can't get out of their own fucking way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd be paranoid. If I was there, I'd be
paranoid because yeah, you just don't know, and it's a
lot of money to not know.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: But it's Leroy s like Carra wasn't in any of
these conversations. He wasn't in any of these conversations.
Speaker 1: It was weird who was who was not contributing. Yeah, well, yeah.
Speaker 4: I think you know CT has partnered with the UK,
since I think CT is just like wanted to do
whatever the UK is doing.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and I guess Carr has partnered with with
the UK as well, Jake.
Speaker 1: But it's Leroy who says, you know, bananas can't vote,
last place can't vote, and the people he saves can't vote.
And everybody's sort of like, well, are you sure, and
Lee was like yeah, of course, like of course that's.
Speaker 2: How this is going to work, and that's always how
it's been.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so people are questioning it, but then once
Leroy seems so confident, they just everybody sort of accepts it.
I don't know, know, like nobody's really fighting this that I
can see anyway.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I probably would have been right there with him,
like every other game that we've ever played. If someone
is safe, they don't get to participate in the vote.
Speaker 1: So in theory, Lero had a great idea here, like
save your competitor because then you take away their vote.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: Smart, really smart. It's just not just not how that
worked out.
Speaker 4: This is also jump ahead a little bit though, But
I also felt like if I was in the house
and there was that much confusion, if I was Banana's like,
when we get to TJ, I'm asking before I save someone, like, hey,
is the person I'm saving?
Speaker 3: Do they get to vote?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know that TJ is just gonna have
just gonna sit there and be like, you gotta pick
that person before you find that out.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what TJ would do. And it's super annoying.
It's so annoying. I really don't like how these first
episodes are like that. It just seems weird.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: There's another conversation where I don't like Olivia. Jake comes
to Olivia and it seems kind of a vulnerable moment.
He's like, I am kind of I'm kind of like
weirded out about this. I'm kind of spooked that, you know,
people are saying my name, people are you know, making
this a UK thing, and Olivia just totally blows him off.
It's just like, well you better go politic, like quickly
go bye. It's like that's weird. This is all weird. Yeah,
like it is.
Speaker 2: It is a little strange, Like, girl, you're the one
who's like trying to be the ahead of this team,
Like maybe you should do a little yeah, well whenever. Yeah,
she is very much Michelle and Jay from the last
season YEP that they were on.
Speaker 1: We get Cedric come on too, and I like, I
think I like Cedric. He was barely in this episode.
I think I like it. Yeah, and he's he's a
very self aware guy. Just like the other guy says
I'm a degender. I'm gonna waste this money. Cedric basically
says like, hey, listen, nobody's saying my name. I'm not
tied to anybody whose names are being said. I don't
give a fuck who's going in. I'm just gonna stand
back here and let them talk and just stay out
of it, which is as smart as he could be.
I think I.
Speaker 2: Agree with that. Sorry, this just popped into my head
and I completely forgot about it.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: The very going back, real quick, the very very beginning
of the episode. Why the fuck did we have like
two minutes of Sydney Sidney Cindy Sidney saying about how
she's a public defender and how she like she's a lawyer,
and then she's did we see her the rest of
the episode?
Speaker 1: I don't think so. No, they I skipped a couple
of those because, yeah, they didn't have anything anything to
do with anything. I think it's just kind of she's
the only one that did that.
Speaker 2: It was like just non secuitar about her being a
public defender, and then she's not at all there for
the rest of the episode. And I felt like the
Cedric thing was kind of like this, but it made
a little more sense because he was in the conversation
that they were all having. Yeah, I don't think she
was there the entire rest of the episode.
Speaker 1: That was a weird little Yeah, they answered it some
weird shit in there.
Speaker 3: For sure.
Speaker 4: That's a good sign that they're like, hey, we know
Sydney is going to go far or when let's give
her some early airtime.
Speaker 1: We'll see, we'll see what I like Sidney. All right, Well,
that we're on the nominations, I'm not gonna the bumper
it's like three kick clicks away nominations. There we go
name all right, so Bananas and d they save THEO
and Izzy and they say like, hey, we're just extending
on all the brands, We're mending this bridge whatever, but
everybody knows they're full of shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, banking on being able to take one vote away
from the UK Alliance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then Desa is a really weird thing. She's
says there's some vets that are using their relationship to
infiltrate the threats. Very weird, super non self aware thing.
Speaker 2: Weird.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, very very strange, especially when she's hooking up
with the vettiest Vet that there is, right and sort
of using those advantages, Like, I don't know, this was
very weird. And then Olivia brought up like we're all
partners with new people. It's all vets and new people,
so what are you even fucking talking about.
Speaker 2: Well, it also like Banana's next to her, the look
on his face was kind of like shut up, shut up,
shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a very weird thing for Most Survivor
Winner giving there.
Speaker 2: It felt like she was almost giving away like a
secret that the two of them had like, don't say
that shit in front of everybody.
Speaker 1: I think this is more like a Survivor tribal council thing.
There is that your impression, Zach, because you're supposed to
say things that are a little mysterious, that are sort
of like that could be taken in a couple of
different ways, and who am I going to vote for?
It's a mystery. But that's not this game is not
We don't do that on the Challenge. That's not fun
on this.
Speaker 3: I think that.
Speaker 4: And also the thing it's been well documented from previous
players on Survivor that if you're not giving Jeff information
he will pause the cameras and like cuss you out.
So maybe she's just used to have been like, oh
I have to give like TJ information or else yell
at us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean to what sender. When they did the
focus on Cedric, like a few minutes earlier, he mentioned
I think it was him that mentioned like he thought
politics in the Big Brother House it was a big deal,
but politics in the Challenge House is a whole other level. Yeah.
I've never watched Big Brother, but I kind of assume.
Speaker 1: History is there nothing else, right, I mean, brothers all
new people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have to brother, you're trying to play to win,
you know, one time challenge and I went for the
next ten years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and people hold grudges from ten years ago.
Speaker 2: Yes, even when you think that you have swashed squashed them.
Speaker 1: Yep. And so TJ puts a real fine point on it,
and just clear, here's it right up, he says, even
the team that is safe makes up the jury, so
no question about it. THEO and Izzy do get to
vote on the jury and they are safe. And Bonanza's
faces like wasted, we wasted the safety thing, and really
that is all they did was waste whoever was safe.
Speaker 2: But Ashley's face when TJ announces this, she does the
like like oh my gosh, I can't believe it face
because of all the work that she's gotten done. She
looked like a completely different person, like legitimately completely different person.
It took me a second to realize who that was. Yeah, earl, Really.
Speaker 4: The safety was that wasted because if they had saved
whatever his name was, it went in rogans just to
be like give me the other guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, exactly. Yeah, that's why the safety thing seems weird. Anyway,
I don't know if that's ever going to matter that
the winning team gets to pick another safe team.
Speaker 2: I mean, I could see how it would matter if,
like if it really was you were the decision was
coming down to like Nanny or Leeroy like that sort
of or like Nanny or you know, some other random
team then and you know that it's it's going to
be one of those two, Like Bananas would wholeheartedly like, well,
obviously we're saving Nanni's team. I don't give a shit
who she's partnered with, but we're saving Nannie, Like, I
could see it coming into play there, but I don't
I don't know that it's yeah that big of a deal.
Speaker 4: It's like that the house dynamic shifts where Olivia and
THEO area on the outs.
Speaker 3: Obviously they're gonna be protecting each other. Fun of the moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, we'll starting the vote. Guys. This
is where it kind of kicks up and gets interesting
to me anyway. Yeah, Avive starts off, uh, and this
is where Kara we see Carl Maria throw a fit.
It's the first time we seen Kara this episode because
Avive fixed Jake and Jake is tied to Kara, So
Kara takes that personally.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Aviv doesn't just pick Jake. She's she's picking
Jake because the two other people that are paired with
the people who were originally going to, like Ben and Justin,
are friends of hers. And that's why Kara pitches a
fit because she's Kara is like the fuck, Like, we're
not friends. We were on the last season together, like
we we have created What the fuck is this? Like
you're better friends with Naya and Nanni than you are
with me? Like, I mean, maybe she is.
Speaker 1: But it must be she made her choice.
Speaker 2: I could see her just not even realizing that Kara
was his partner.
Speaker 4: And it also makes sense too, because you know, we
know that Aviv is friends with Bananas. You know, one
of Banana's angels, Bananas is very well known to be
friends with Naya and Nanny. So probably by hanging out
with Banana, she's hung out with them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it's true.
Speaker 1: So the rest of the vote goes pretty much as
you would expect, but there are two exceptions that I
thought voted differently than I expected them to. Both of
those guys were named Derek.
Speaker 2: Both of them are morons.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, So when it gets to the first Derek,
this is Derek Kazinski, the votes are Jake with five
and Justin with two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and still like half the house to go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Derek says that he's gonna go with Justin
because Rogan wanted Justin and if he's going in, he
also wants to be able to pick who he's going against.
So he thinks that's like a good u good course
to make whatever.
Speaker 2: But he also mentions it's because that's how the house
is going to be voting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yep. So he's just gonna throw that on
top of the house because he doesn't want to make
any additional enemies. But you would think that he would
want to vote along with Bananas because he and Bananas
have a history. Yeah, and he was sort of the
fourth in the of the Jack Alliance, you know, way
back when.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And at that point in time, the House was
not in the in favor of going for Justin. They
were in favor of going for Jake.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, So Derek, and we know that, you know,
once someone starts to votes on them, people are gonna
be tempted to switch to that because they don't want
to be an outliar, so so this.
Speaker 1: Is the first weird move. Number one, Derek change, Derek
says Justin. So that makes the votes five for Jake. Yes,
five for Jake, three for Justin. At this point, when
it gets to the other Derek, it's tied up. It's
six six, and Derek votes for Justin, despite as Justin
says twelve hours earlier saying I will never vote for you,
he goes for just.
Speaker 2: This was such I was floored by.
Speaker 1: Yes, this is very weird. So that made it seven
to six, and then CT votes Justin because Jake is
tied to Carus so CT doesn't want to risk that.
So the final votes are six to eight. But this easily,
easily easily could have been switched had the two Derek's
voted differently.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it also could have been like, we don't know
what's going to happen if there's a tie, Like, okay,
so if there's a tie, then does that mean that
Johnny and his partner get to pick.
Speaker 3: Yep, that'd be my guest floored me.
Speaker 2: Yep, Derek Chavez picked Justin. Couldn't be absolutely floored me.
Speaker 1: And both Derek's are saying, well, it was what the
majority wanted. You know, the majority voted. What could we
have done? But it's like you did it.
Speaker 2: Though the majority did it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, yeah, the majority voted because you were
part of the majority if you would have voted the
other way. Like, I don't know, it's just both Derek's
I don't know what they were thinking.
Speaker 2: And Derek Kazinski he pulled a uh, well, I'm gonna
I'm gonna burn my vote on Leroy and have the
whole house pile on Leroy moved like he he pulled
an avery. Yeah, it was very what the Kazinsky You've
been playing this game for long enough, Like are you kidding?
And I'll talk about you were literally just talking to
Johnny about how you don't want you k to win.
You want to put some like.
Speaker 1: Derek schavaz is getting a lot of heat for this vote,
which of course, I mean he should probably more than Kazinsky,
but like Derek Kazinski should too. What was he thinking?
Why why did he do this? I mean, you can
vote forever you want, but it doesn't make any sense
he should be aligned with bananas. So I just don't
understand what Kazinski. His point was here, I don't know,
and just because he gave Rogan that respect, Rogan's gone now,
so Rogan's not going to return it. And I don't
think most people would anyway. No, you know, most people
are going to do its best for their game, not
I feel like.
Speaker 2: I feel like Kazinski was playing it in the way
that they played it back in like the Fresh Meat
days or the days before that, where yeah, they might
actually honor a deal like that, like if you go
with them on one way, they might go with you
on the other, whereas like now, no, everybody's playing this
to win, They're not playing this to be best friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Derek's making weird calls.
Speaker 4: Here, and they would probably honor to a degree like
the UK. But like if Derek's going in like, hey,
you can have any US person you want.
Speaker 3: We will let you pick, but you can't pick it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, Derek Chavaz definitely deserves a lot more
flak because they Yeah, Kazinsky may have started it off,
but Derek Shava like he has been in the exact
same boat that Justin is in. He made it very
fucking crystal clear the night before that he was in
that execs vote, and yeah, he and Kara became good
friends on the last time that they were in the
Challenge house. But like, dude, you have literally been in
the same position. You know how it feels to be
the only gay man there. You know how you know
how it feels to be a gay man who singled
out for being smaller than everybody, Like, are you kidding?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was weird he did, and Zach you might
get into it on the social media part of the show,
but he released a forty five minute Instagram live Derek
shot his dead, explaining this vote Believe me, I'm not
gonna watch that fucking thing, but the people on Reddit
did and we're picking it apart and stuff. But yeah,
he's feeling I think he's on the ropes. I think
people are sort of like, what the fuck, dude?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I didn't see a whole bit. I've
seen the clips that you'll like discuss it. But also,
you know, kind jump ahead socially as some I know
that Derek has posted that he's been getting a lot
of death threats. We don't encourage that.
Speaker 1: No takes too far, a little extremely absolute.
Speaker 2: Like this is a show these are we don't know
these people in person. Anyone who does that to anyone
in reality TV like that is not okay. You may
not like the players, we may say that we dislike them,
we may say that we hate them, we may have
really strong opinions on our podcast and whatnot. But like,
just because I don't like Johnny Bananas doesn't mean that
I want him to die. Like that's insane. The fact
that there are people out there doing that, and that
goes to this show and for any other Like I
know that Love Island had a really big issue with
it recently. They had a few people who got kicked
off early because of h racially insensitive shit that they'd
done in their past that they didn't screen for properly whatever,
who were getting death threats. There are all kinds of
people from various other reality TV shows that have gotten
death threats for stupid things like that is not cool,
and anyone who does that, like get a fucking life.
Yeah it's not okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that we're into the elimination this guy. Guys,
it's called the arena. Yeah, it's called the Arena. It's bullshit.
Speaker 2: So it's been called the Arena for the last like
six seasons.
Speaker 1: I don't like it. We need different one, we need
something else, especially they presented it like it's a big deal,
like this is the arena.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it did look pretty cool though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't like this either, Like this scheme is
it's purposefully misleading at this point, right because Justin and
Aya they both come out, they're still in teams, they're
still like both dressed like they're both going to compete,
and it's like, you're just lying to these people. What
are you what are you fucking doing your production staff?
What are you doing here? Well?
Speaker 4: I also felt like going back to the cash should
know better. I felt like once they were voting people
in and they were voting for a singular guy and
not for a team, that should have been our sign
to them that, like the partner is safe.
Speaker 1: Yeah you think you would think so, but yeah they
changed the rules and yeah, if you're in the house
and you're paranoid, you don't want to just trust that.
But yeah, I think from the outside looking in, obviously
that seems obvious. Uh. Well, as Justin comes out, he
does name Derek as the person that betrayed MTJ kind
of pokes and prods him to name a name, and
he does kind of doesn't even hesitate. He's like Derek
the blond One. He sucks.
Speaker 2: I appreciate this.
Speaker 4: It's Bananas, I think too, because you know, Bananas was like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right news. But he didn't hesitate. He's like,
all right, Derek, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: He's got he's got no no loyalty to anybody right now.
He's brand new to the house and like I just said,
someone who has literally been in his exact same position before,
who told him he will always have his bag, who
told him he would never unequivocally, equivocably never vote him
in Ye, and then does it less than twelve years,
twelve hours later.
Speaker 1: Right away. Ye.
Speaker 2: Throw his name out there. Plus you know, show him
that he was a fucking jackass for doing that.
Speaker 4: And most of the time, if you go home first
of season, you're not getting called back. But if you
go out calling someone else out, there's a yeah, you
get called back.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But there is also like I just I think,
I just like Justin. He seems very authentic, he seems real.
I don't know, I just was really impressed by him.
He seems like he's I don't know, other than the
other than when he seems sort of resigned to go
in at the bar and didn't fight for himself. I
think that I've really was.
Speaker 2: I mean I could see that, like if you're if
this is your first season doing something, you're a rookie,
like you're in your fields, like especially when you know
that you're on the smaller side of the rookies, like
you're probably gonna be looked at like a fluff player.
Like I could see like being in my fields and
kind of like I like, shit, what the fuck do
I do? Like I don't even know these people, and
all of a sudden, like I'm the one on the
chalk and black, like I, you know, I got points
in this last in this episode, like we did well
in this challenge, and all of a sudden, I'm the
one that they're throwing in. I could see that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get a little bit, but yeah, that's the game. Yeah. Well,
this elimination is called inertia, Carlyn, what is it?
Speaker 2: Uh? So both of the guys are in hamster wheels
on tracks with bumps in them, and the bumps are
like it looks like they're probably two or so feet
higher than the basin of the track, and they have
to go from one end of the track to the
other and up and over these like two or three
bumps in the track. But in order to get the
hamster wheel going, they have to run in it like
a hamster wheel, and it's not it's like barely bigger
than the two of them. And the first person to
go down over the two or three bumps to the
end and back is the winner.
Speaker 1: Yep, I really liked that. There's like this Mortal Kombat
voiceover or it.
Speaker 2: Says a little stretch good versus just.
Speaker 1: It's really kind of fucking weird, but into it, and
as they start of you says, this is not a
strength game. This is strategy, agility, and physics. This is
about how you move your body.
Speaker 2: This is endurance to and Rogan sucks at endurance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean straight up like this was a blowout.
Rogan made it over one hump and then got stuck
on the second and never could recover it.
Speaker 2: Iming gassed early too.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh man, the one time he got it to
turn over and it showed a shot of him like
he looked like he was a dead person. He was
like playing on the bottom of that wheel, Like.
Speaker 2: He would run to one side of it and then
it would come rolling back and he would just full
body flop onto the back of it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we've seen this a lot though, muscle guys
who just can't get.
Speaker 2: The rhythm and the muscles.
Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, this was not a strength but you know,
these strong guys, that's what they tried to do. They
tried to make everything a strength game. But this was
rhythm and timing and balance and all the stu.
Speaker 2: I mean, justin he said it, he was like, you know,
I have done tumbling my entire life. Like I'm gonna
use that strength and that timing and I'm gonna try
to go for it.
Speaker 1: Yep. Took him a minute to sort of figure out
the rhythm too. But once he figured it out, dude,
he didn't stop, you know.
Speaker 2: And especially coming back when he did, like his run back,
it took him a minute to figure it out. He
got stuck off after that first hump going over to
get there and get to the end initially, but coming
back he got over that first hump and was you know,
he just he got the rhythm going and went over
the next two without any issues, like it was great
to see. I was so fucking stoked. I I was
so I was on the edge of my seat for
this entire fucking elimination show.
Speaker 1: I was too And Rogan for his part, like he
actually was pretty cool, like I thought, like you could
tell he was. He was holding it back. He wanted
to be like, this is a bullshit game, like fuck,
oh yeah, he.
Speaker 2: Was just thought it was going to be a headbanger.
Speaker 1: Yeah he was just like you did. He was like
you did good, you smashed it, Like yeah, all right,
like you get partial credit. You said the words like
I could see there was no feeling behind them, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good god. It made me so fucking happy though,
Like that's what you fucking get from picking one of
the smallest guys in the house, knowing that you were
one of the bigger guys in the house, knowing what
you did, Like I will never forgive him for the
shit that he did to Jay that season, Like he
literally almost pitt that kid. He he did he put
that kid in that Jay got taken out in an ambulance,
like he came to and didn't remember where he was at. Yeah,
like Rogan, it's so fucking cowardly. Of him to do
that and to not say the real reason why he's
doing that, Yeah, to blame it on the girl that
he says, I love you too four days.
Speaker 1: That was very weird. Yes, although she was cute, so
I get that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's hot, but like, dude, realize I'm her.
Speaker 4: That has to be like a like platonic love you
like as a friend, because I'd hope you wouldn't be
that much of a simp after fortune.
Speaker 2: I mean i'd have not to.
Speaker 1: But we saw it, we saw it, it happened. Well
that's pretty much it. Yeah, Derek says he wants to
fade away like the Homer Simpson meme, which I like
that one funny. I hope this comes back to by it.
Hope it's a big issue this season.
Speaker 5: Yea and.
Speaker 4: Created someone on Reddit created the Homer and the Bushes
meme with Derek nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and now TJ says that Adrian is now a
hangnail is about the worst term that you can.
Speaker 2: They could have take so many other names. Yeah, like
a hangnail?
Speaker 1: Are you getting We've done this before. I feel like
there was a name for this. We've had this before
where a partner is left stranded and yeah, we got
to figure out what happens now.
Speaker 2: You're a free agent, just give them that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, something like that, And Nannie says, for whatever reason,
that now there's a big target painted on Adrian's back
because she's a hangma out. But I don't know if
that's true. I guess I feel like it's because she
said it.
Speaker 2: Because she's one she's a she's a new threat, and
two she's UK, so it looks like she'd be an
easy I'm assuming that next week is women. It'd be
easy to throw her in because she's not tied to anybody, right,
I mean she is, but she isn't.
Speaker 4: Plus she's also gotten injured foot. If you're competing again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's come home next week. That's just
prediction based on nothing, but TJ at the very end
said one more trick up his sleeve. He says maybe
we should change partners well.
Speaker 2: He also in the description of the hangnail, he says
that Adrian, you don't have to compete in the challenge tomorrow, which, honestly,
I think Adrian lecked the fuck out because she told
us when she got the stitches that she had to
be she couldn't run on it for the next five days. Okay,
I think she looked the fuck out, like if she
hadn't been in this position, she would have been going
home tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I still think she's going to.
Speaker 1: But so she's not going to play in that, but
I wonder if she's still up to get voter voter
in or something maybe.
Speaker 6: Yeah, probably, all right, we'll see how that goes. All right,
Well that's it, but no TJ said, what oh uh
change the partners?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he didn't give us much info about that though.
Speaker 1: Never does I hate this. It's like three episodes before
we fucking know what the rules are and how to
play the game.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh do you think are we going to change partners
every after every challenge? And it.
Speaker 3: Kind of feels like it feels that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: They I really hope they don't do the ship like
what they did. What was that two or three episodes
or two or three seasons ago? Maybe was lastly, I
don't remember where it was, the like the light up
thing where he like pressed the button and you know
it automatically assigned people partners. Oh, that was in the
That was in the when they tell the UK and
US the algorithm.
Speaker 3: Yeah thing.
Speaker 2: I hated that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was stippid.
Speaker 2: I really hope they're not doing that sort of thing.
Speaker 4: So my guess is, I don't know if you guys
feel saying that next next episode, we're getting a woman eliminated,
and then whichever guy's left from that is just gonna
get paired up with Rogan's partner, yeah, or if she.
Speaker 2: Gets Yeah, I think whatever girl goes home, the odd
girl out would then be paired with the odd guy out. Yes, yeah,
because we don't know if it's gonna be Rogan's partner.
Rogan's partner Adrian might be going home. I did love
when when TJ told us that, you know, we're gonna
do a shake up and everybody, we're gonna change partners. Turbo.
This is like, this was another one where I was like, oh, yes, Turbo,
he sits there, he goes all all alliances, all plans,
all politicking garbage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, Turbo, Funny.
Speaker 2: Turbo is back well hand motions throwing the basketball at like,
oh it's great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is gonna be interesting to see what will
happen if they have to change partners every time. But
I kind of hope not I think it's more interesting
to have one partner, But I guess we'll see.
Speaker 4: I'm hoping if he gets the chance, he's smart enough,
you know, because Banana's once May he gets to pick
his a new partner.
Speaker 3: First, you take Olivia?
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, she's obviously being the ring leader of the
UK side. Like, if you want to get in good
with the UK side, take her as your partner.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well that's the episode I forget. What
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Speaker 1: We love you all. Zach what's going on with social
media stuff?
Speaker 3: So we kind petcha earlier.
Speaker 4: But Derek did do that, like forty five minute live
track by himself, had the rundown version. Is just uh,
he and Kara became friends and like worked through all
their issues after like forty and.
Speaker 3: So he didn't want to betray her.
Speaker 2: So I mean I get that, but that's still like dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he should have he should have been man
enough to go and say that to justin to his face,
you know, before the vote, like you know, I don't
know if you understand or not, but like you should
do that. You should say, hey, I know I said
that last night, but it's now it's Kara and blah
blah blah. Yep, uh, all right, that's exactly anyway.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And then there's.
Speaker 4: Jordan was in a race, like a car race in
someplace called like grid Life. He got second place, so
it seems like his racing career to him pretty well.
Speaker 1: Good for him. Yeah, he's gonna ta get it everything
he does. Yeah. Uh, the league, Carlin, what's going on?
Speaker 2: Yeah? All right, So first up, host League, So we're
gonna do the quick rundown on everybody's teams too.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: We are doing the host League again this season. So
so in episode zero that hopefully you guys will all
get at some point in time, we did our fantasy
draft live on that. And you know, Tim is really
trying to not get last place again this season. But
right now, first place currently is Wolfy with two hundred
and twelve points. Second place is mister Tim, yes one
hundred and sixty seven not last. Third place is Zachary
with and I am in fourth place with one twenty six.
I am also the only person who lost a player
this week because I picked Rogan.
Speaker 1: So do we want to how's it?
Speaker 2: I can try.
Speaker 1: It's not great, it doesn't ever feel good.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Never, it's gonna be interesting. So we're gonna do
the quick rundown. So you guys all know who are
We want to this every week, but just to start
it off, my team is Derek Chavez, is He, Jake Olivia, Nanni, Anissa, Ben,
and Rogan and I have obviously already lost Rogan, Zachary
is de Leo Avive, Cedric America, Derek Kazenski, Turbo and leka.
Speaker 5: Um, mister Wasson Let's Go is justin Theo, Ashley, Naya
Leroy and MICHAELA Will and Sydney.
Speaker 1: I'm actually feeling pretty good about mine. Yeah, your team
is making fun of it on episodes here, but I
think it's pretty good.
Speaker 2: I thought I had a pretty good team and then
fucking Rogan went home first. Uh and then mister Woolford
h he has Johnny Bananas, Adrian Blue, ct, Kara, Gabe
Tay and Jeremy. Team is fun.
Speaker 1: It's a good.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be surprised if Wolfe wipes the floor with
all of us this season, all right, and then the
Public League the real reason why everybody wants to the
real one that everybody wants to know. So we again,
we have a team that is a combo of all
of the hosts. We all pick a player, and then
we all have our own teams. But right now, first
place in the Public League is a new person, Amanda
h the Whig Funeral has one hundred and fifty points.
Speaker 1: Way to go, Amanda like that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate that. Second place is also a great name,
Julie's attempted murder with one and third place is none
your business with one forty five clever names. I like those, Yeah,
I do too. So of the host teams, I am in.
I am tied for fourth place with not another banana
fan at one thirty three. We have our host team
is in at eighth with one seventeen. Zach is right
behind it with Zachary's ba Zachie's banana goes deep gross
at one point fifteen.
Speaker 4: Tim Carlin has to say it every single week, thanks ass, I.
Speaker 2: Mean Times is Times is also not even It's good,
but it has nothing to do with this. Tims is
released the Epstein Files at one oh seven.
Speaker 1: I did that to hear you announced that too every week.
Speaker 2: I mean I I wholeheartedly that they should release the
Epstein Files. I don't give a shit who's in it.
Everybody who's in it should get their ass is handed
to them. And mister Brian Wolford is in at sixteenth
with ninety one, and we have twenty seven teams that
looks like on our oh no more than twenty seven
teams thirty something.
Speaker 1: Join the Public leagu anybody listening to this, you've got time.
You can join the Public League. You only missed a
week and it is super fun. It really does make
watching the season.
Speaker 2: It is a lot of fun. So right now it
looks like ELEASE and CJ. They are our two last
place teams. I'm not trying to shame you, guys, but
neither of them picked teams this past week, so you
might have just missed the cutoff. Remember pick your team
verbally by Tuesday night, but definitely by like midday Wednesday,
because you have to have your teams picked before the
episode airs. I usually try to pick mine directly after
watching the episode because then all of the information is
fresh and most of the time. If you watch the
next week on you have some sort of an idea
as to what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little strategy there. Cool, Well is that it?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think so that's it? All right? Well, then signing
off for this episode of Challenge. This has been big
on a sweet.
Speaker 2: Team Carl in San Diego, Zachie Bananas.
Speaker 1: And remember, as TJ Lavin said, release the Epstein files.
Yes please, Oh it's not playing.
Speaker 2: On shyly and.
Speaker 1: Hang outside real We'll be right back.
Speaker 2: He called, mm hm