Speaker 1: All the damn work. I'll put it in with you,
you fisto.
Speaker 2: What can you do with this person? Who's you? So
they look good? You look good and everybody's safe as well.
Speaker 1: Put him on a black leather jacket, a black eye
Jeff Lippman. It looked like she was too slow for school,
but she came out playing the hot mean girls, look really.
Speaker 2: Good boys, the Friday Boys and Friday It's a Love.
Season three, episode nine. This one is titled Tag Team
Turnbold and once again this tag team will piss me off,
but it is what it is. My dear Jeff Lawyer extraordinaire,
how are you? By the way, I'm a little pisto,
And like I just said, he's my co host, mister
Jeff Liffman.
Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello, it's good to see you again.
I did the rant that you're going to do two
weeks ago, so hopefully don't take my absence of rant
not guaranteed that there will be as absence of outrage.
The subtitles of the show was the Apollo Elijah Connection.
I am furious about this, but like I said, two
weeks ago or two episodes ago, I did the rant
on this I continued it a little bit last week.
The Fisto I think is going to rant about it today,
but I am this is so fucking annoying, and I
am well, I don't think TNA's next lay that cats
me out. I am so hoping the WWE waive the
remainder of the ninety day non compete so he can
join TNA, so he can be that multi single champion
the TNA was teasing in exchange for him being aired
on LFG at least twice. The season still is a
third to go, so who knows.
Speaker 2: But hopefully by the way, we are talking about a
Paula cruise.
Speaker 1: Yes, we were talking about Apollo Cheus. Thank you for that. Wow,
I'm gonna we are.
Speaker 2: Starting being so positive. I hope you people are doing
great anyways.
Speaker 1: I hope you are doing I hope all of you
are doing great too. I have had a troubling two
weeks in a lot of ways, but we're here. I've
kept the show content going. I've you know, putting stuff up,
and hopefully I don't sound like I'm trouble. I am
troubled about this legitimately, and you know, I know that
people think I'm sort of a corporate stooge, and to
extent I am, but not that much of a stooge
to not be outraged about, you know, prices and this
stuff and some of the oversanitization of rest sling, but
especially on the t K O WWE side of things.
Speaker 2: So you had a bad week. I had a bad
like the bad like last two weeks. I had a
bad last two weeks. Everything broke in my house, my dishwasher,
my the washer, my smart watch and something else. Anyway,
So somebody else's having a bad day is Carly Bright
Right from the start from this episode, she has no
in nice segue. Right, I'm learning, I'm getting.
Speaker 1: There nice nice.
Speaker 2: So she she has hip and lower back problems. She
says it's probably the wear and tear or left legs
shut down. And when she said that, I'm like, oh
my god, we're in tear already. That young in a career,
and I mean her being an athlete and doing you know,
she's been doing sports since I don't know, since probably
very very young.
Speaker 1: Years of some she was a Division one cheerleader at
University of Minnesota. So I mean, that's yeah, that will
make you. Let's not falling on your back unless your
teammates drop you.
Speaker 2: Well, let's not hope that. But I mean it's still
a lot of stress on her body. She's not really
she's fit, but she's not big, so she doesn't necessarily
has a lot of protection when it comes to wrestling
because the bumps stay hurt. I mean, it is what
it is. And she's been having a lot of trouble
with him, and you know, she's trying to work through
her fear and she and this is this I really
like this quote, got to learn to be comfortable being uncomfortable,
and it describes wrestling perfectly. It's also I've always said
to students and new wrestlers, like wrestling is, you know,
learning to live with pain is just part of your
life from now on and you have to deal with it.
It's like second nature now. So that's why when you
go to the hospital because you get hurt, and they
say so on the scale of one to ten, how
much does it hurt? You'll probably say five because he's
used to it. But a normal person with say then,
but it is what it is. So she says she'll
keep on pushing, and that's basically the last year from
her in this episode, when we go right away to
the morning meeting with this time, of course, always head
coach Magic.
Speaker 1: That's gonna say one thing on that, of course. Of course,
of course Carly Bright said all of the right things
in this segment. However, I'm pretty sure that the fact
that her body was already so shot is part of
the reason why she was released. It's not just that
they already are you know, flush with blondes who are
athletic in from D one sports backgrounds and from wrestling
backgrounds with Blake Monroe, et cetera. But it might have
been for her own safety or really that why are
we investing in someone who you know, in within two
or three years has already gone to this point with
which seems like on the path towards permanent nerve damage.
And it's almost like a liability issue at that point
that you know, you know, WW is very good about
taking about taking care of medical bills and things like
that for people who get injured in the ring. And
if someone's gonna have permanency, there's always that argument as
to when do we cut this person off? You know,
I mean, anyone's been a car act workers cop knows
about that.
Speaker 2: There's a difference between someone who let's say, breaks a
bone or they're they're a muscle, then you fix it
and they start, you know again, and someone who has
constant pain and damage and it's always going to come back.
It's not something that's been broken and then fix and
then we move on. You have to deal with it
for the rest of your life. And I'm I think
you're absolutely right. Yeah, you that's probably the reason why
she's gone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you're in the ring and your leg
gos numb, you are a danger to your opponent, You
the person for people you're working with, So it's not
just yourself, it's also the other person. So it's not
just selfishness. I mean people might look at it that way.
I mean, assuming I'm right, but you know, people look
and say, oh, they're so mean that it's a liability issue,
but it's also it's also liability not in the legal sense,
but it's a liability to the people that you're working with.
And you know, if your legos and someone's doing, you know,
jumping from the top rope and all of a sudden
you can't catch them.
Speaker 2: Wow, the I mean, one thing you can do is
something that's your wrestling that that's happening. The good thing
in wrestling is you can do someone something else. You
could be someone who works backstage. You can even be
a manager because you're not gonna bump as much, you're
not gonna move as much, but you can still be
involved and take a few bumps here and there. But anyway,
we'll see what happens with her. I don't think she's
been doing anything wrestling since she was released. Correct me
if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't seen anything from her. I've seen stuff
from Serena Linton, I've seen stuff from even bj Ray
still thinks he's in the business. Uh, you know, Andre Chase,
Duke Hanson, which was Duke cousin Gentala has has certainly
been uh do anyway. I can't remember all the people,
but yeah, there there's there's a good half dozen or
so that that you know from the LFG world who
are not no longer there that had been tried. I
just saw Malik Blade is trying under what I presume
is his real name or his new wrestling name. Looks
like he got himself jacked up, which he probably should
have done before. He's a good guy, though, I could
I can tell he's a good Uh. Anyway, you're right,
Why why are we burying the am meeting in the
morning meeting. We love the Morning Meeting. We love Matt
Bloom with Bubba and Booker and and Terry Taylors with
them this time. So yeah, take take us through that.
That was great fun.
Speaker 2: The Booker gets the match of Braxton Cole being the
heel and Arlene Lewis as a babyface, which is really
inter wrestling. They say they want to still work on
the small you know, PhD guy, book reading guy goes
to the ring and you know, Bubba tells Booker that
he needs you know, he told him he needs to
show it more so people get the gimmick and stuff.
I like that Bubba was like sharing his own insight
with Booker. One brain is always better than just one
in wrestling. Then there's not much to say from this match,
I mean right now besides that, you know, Arlam is
going to be a babyface for for me, I think
the first time I've always I've only seen him as
a heel in LFG or maybe kind of in between.
Sometimes we don't know.
Speaker 1: More tag team match with Dorian than do it was
sort of yeah, but it wasn't that clear there. I
have seen him as a face and evolved, but that's
you know, I mean, it's the same universe, but it's
not really the remit of the show.
Speaker 2: So we got Terry Taylor and he's gonna get Serena
Litton versus Zena Sterling. So I was really interested in
seeing what Terry was going to do with Zena because
we saw us last week of the week before. I
do apologize, I've I've watched a lot of wrestling lately,
so that Booker. He did a good job with Zena.
He did correct some of her flaws. So having Terry,
who's been you know, working with women of you know
in TNA and WWE and and stuff like, how we
would work with her would be interesting. And Matt mentions
that Matt, like I know him. Coach Blum mentioned that
she's kind of head of a plateau, especially in her selling,
which we've been mentioning most of the time. He says
that like the light bulb flickers, but it's not on yet,
which I thought was a good way to explain it.
And it's like though, and she doesn't understand anger, And
I was like, oh my god, like the right he
put the finger like right on it. It's like, yeah,
it's like she can't portray anger, right, it looks it
looked like she acting, but bad acting. So and Serena
Linton there was no comments at all, so I was like, okay, nothing.
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, maybe I should save this for when
we're about to cover that match.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, well we'll finish with Bubba's match. He gets
the tag team match of Jamie Garcia and Malik Blade.
They want Jamie to make them believe that what he's
actually doing is real because he still has those He
works the crowd really really good, but maybe not at
the right spot. So they want him to kind of
switch things around where what he does, what he does good,
he keeps it, but he places it at the right
spot in the match so it doesn't look phony and
it fits with whatever the store they're trying to say.
And Malik, once again, Booker t uses he's in the bubble.
He's in the bubble. I think he's just there so
we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: And you know that. I mean, first of all, I
remember so Jamie Garcia. For those of you who only
watch LFG, or NXT or seeing the commercial with Cody
Rhodes where a guy super kicks a machine to get
the whatever energy drink they're selling. He goes by his
WWE name is Romeo Moreno and he's from Spain and
he's young. I don't know how Lee is by. I
would guess he's under twenty five. He's being paired with
Noa m. Dar Now on both Evolve and NXT, so
obviously they have a lot of interests in him where
they're pairing and basically with the coach good kid. Uh yeah,
Malik very much. Well, he was on the bubble before.
Now he's in a different bubble and.
Speaker 2: He's out of.
Speaker 1: Back to.
Speaker 2: Just to finish on this match. You know, it's the
first time that Cruz and Oliefield are working as a tag,
so is Jamie and Malik actually, and there's you know,
the goal to this match is very simple, tell a
good story. And they expect Apollo to be a great
a great leader.
Speaker 1: And they talked very highly of Apollo. Kevin I think
Kevin Owens is like, was he somebody? He said so
he said, yeah, you know he's going to lead this match.
Great's gonna be a great ring general. Everyone says good
things about him. I'm so angry about this. Just listen
to my rant from two weeks ago. I don't even
want to upset myself two hours long if you if
I keep, let's.
Speaker 2: Go before Jeff goes on those second round.
Speaker 1: I've never met Apollo Cruise. I've never talked to Apollocruse.
I'm not even like a giant fan. I just this
is an injustice, and there's been other injustices. It makes.
Speaker 2: Fuck okay. Haunta Braxon coll versus Arlen Lewis. So Lewis
says like he feels that it, you know, being still
an LFG. He kind of feels that he's fighting below
his weight and he's being told that, you know, not
not Actually, I'm sorry, I will I'm already on coal.
Booker tells Coles, like, you know, being a heel, you
can do the first clean break, but then just just
to show like you understand again the smart thing that
comes back, and then show that you're a heel later.
Speaker 1: Don't just do a lock up. In other words, have
some drama with the lock of either refuse, go, you know,
push it into the corner, reverse it, whatever it is,
don't just do a simple lock up and you're right.
Harlem Lewis basically said that he's overachieving here, almost like
this is beneath him. Though I don't think that's what
he meant, but those are the words he said. And
some do with all due respect. No you're not, No,
you're not. As far as Braxton Cole there, they tell
him just what they said in the am meeting. Work
on the PhD gimmick, slow things down. Really incorporate that
into the matchma people, it's not just an entrance. Use
the book more, use it as a prop. Make it
part of the story.
Speaker 2: Work the body language, work the body language. That's what
he Booker tells him.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And the other thing that Harlem said that
was interesting is that he's like, you know, me and
Booker got off on the wrong foot, but we've worked
it out. Oh and now I love Booker. I'm super
excited to work with Booker. So Harlem giveth and Harlem
taketh away. I mean, that was great. And Booker indicates
these high on Harlem Lewis. He thinks he's got star qualities.
And he's also really high on Braxton Cole, who obviously
is much younger in his wrestling journey than Braxen Cole's
and then it turned it over to you in a second.
But I want to say, I think maybe they were
listening to us, or maybe this is so obvious that
they came up with him. But when Braxton Cole came out,
he had an actual hardcover book that looked like it
was a scholarly academic not not headbanger Chaz's autobiography or biography.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one thing, like right away says, okay, better
book he was reading.
Speaker 1: I couin't read the title, but I was hoping it
was like Dante's Inferno or like you know, the Aristotle
on Zoology or something whatever. He should have a giant tome,
the Malice Maleficarum whatever. Well, probably not that, but he
should have some giant maybe even volumes of the Encyclopedia Britanica.
But whatever he should have, it should be huge with
the letters overstated on the on the binder. And they
should probably make him like twelve different books, you know,
just for that with it's.
Speaker 2: Like same book, different cover for every show.
Speaker 1: No different book every time, like the like War in Peace,
you know, anything that that like everybody knows the name
of it, or to recognize that it's like, you know, HESSI,
it's you know theogony. You know, they don't have to
know what it is, just to know that it's snooty,
fancy schmancy exactly.
Speaker 2: Actually, people call him nerd, which I thought was funny.
He works the gimmick like he's reading the book, doesn't
care much about them, you know. It's it's kind of
a little bit. I feel there's still something missing more,
I would say, more character into it, Like he just
looks at them without being entrust but he should look
at them with discuss, like to have something happening on
his face, because it's just nothing or barely so they
always say make it bigger. He should be like or
even like put it his thronging out and they're like,
I want a puke, Well, you guys are.
Speaker 1: Stupid, or make like a like their breath stinks or something,
or just their bodies something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, something that adds to it, because right now is
just it's a smart guy that reads book. People call
him nerd, and that's pretty much it.
Speaker 1: So but I do really want who I want to
see and work with, who probably won't because he's probably
moved on Tristan Angels, Nathan Cranston on this show.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, they they could work together as a team.
Speaker 1: And he could learn a lot from how Nathan Cranston
works the crowd exactly.
Speaker 2: And you know what, one thing I thought was funny
when people started to call him nerd Buba's like, oh
my god, if you would have the balls to take
the mic, you know, and tell them to go home whatever.
I'm like, dude, you know that if she does this,
he's gonna get forpremented because they did not tell him
to do it. I'm like, maybe in the indies it
would be great, but I'm like, I don't think it
would fly. Like maybe maybe there they would be like,
especially if he cuts a great promo, but I'm like,
everything is so like planned. There's like, I don't.
Speaker 1: The last person who went off script and everybody they
loved it was Hayes Jamison and they caught her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it is.
Speaker 1: I'm just she's another one who seems to be still grinding,
though I've seen it slow down recently, so I don't know.
I just won't call it. One thing that that Jerry
Borrash compared Harlem Lewis's fafeful hair to Ox Bakers and
what a reference. If you don't know who X Baker is,
he yeah, and watch Escape from New York because he
he aside from Professor Toro Tanaka and I the giant,
he might be the first wrestler and he was sort
of a deep cut wrestler who made it into a
major motion picture. I'm sure out there there's there's you know,
someone will show me where I'm wrong or there were others,
but yeah, Ox Baker, the master of the heart punch.
Speaker 2: Uh Arlem. I thought his entrance was bland. I thought
he needed more fire, and I was like, I understand
he's not a happy babyface, but he needs to show
at least some intensity, some fire, some I don't know, gritly.
I'm here the fucking fight and I love it like
I'm happy to beating me eazy.
Speaker 1: The story here is the conceited guy who was everything
in Harlem is the guy who had to fight for everything.
And he could be saying, you think you're better than me,
I'm about to show you that you're not. I mean,
just say something, get the crowd on market, and then
and then point to the crowd and go, he's not
better than me. You were saying, you were yelling nerd
before nerd, nerd, nerd, or kick the nerds ass whatever,
do something. He'll just walk there. I mean anybody can
just walk there. Yes, he looks more intense than like
the average person just work walking there. But you need
more than that. Just there, got Piano Carver there. They
already have bron Breaker there. You know, they've got people
who know how to walk and look intense and frankly
look more intense than you do. I mean, as big
and strong as you think you are, and you are,
you're not as big and strong of those guys.
Speaker 2: So they started the match with a lockup that was
kind of weak for these two guys. You know, back
you know to the corner, break good clap on the chest.
There was some nice headlock takedowns, exchanges, but they were
making no sound. It was like almost it looked like
a practice.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 2: Then you know Arlm got into a shine, two big tackles,
a big, big slam. But after the slam he should
have like kind of fired up, look at the crowds
scream or or a nerd I'll beat you or something
there was nothing. Then the cutoff is like a guillotine
from the top rope. There was barely any selling. Then
everything I felt was too fast Arlem selling. There was
no facials, like no exaggeration of it, like almost almost
like he didn't want to feel weak. But I mean
if he doesn't, if you don't give me anything, I'm
not gonna have any sympathy for you. Therefore, I'm not
gonna feel like clapping for you.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Sound was barely there. Uh there was a hope spot
from here where he gave a back elbow, then a
punch cut by an ow guide O gout, Sorry, I
rape or whatever. It was too fast the cell like
again it was a small cell. It was like like
oh my god, my eyes and kind of turn around
and trying to get your vision back there's It was
kind of yeah, and I felt cold though, had like
solid sucked to the back the hanging neck breaker. He
did it. The corner looked good and I really liked
that he pulled. He was very close to the ropes
after that movie. But he pulled Arlem for the pin
away from the ropes. I'm like, yes, please, you know
you don't want to be close to the ropes because
you know, foot on the rope or whatever he's pulling
him to get the pinfall. I was like, that's great,
but there was like no cockiness in in between the
moves he was doing, Like I felt the mechanics were
better than what I saw in the first match, like
he's I see evolution, but you know they were I
really liked that he was. He kept working on Arlem's
neck like and then he went into like a hold
on the ground and then finally Arlem started to you know,
I could hear like sounds of fans and whatever, and
they went back up into a headlock and Arlam gave
him like little elbows to to the stomach. But usually
you pull your elbow all the way out and in
so it looks big and your opponent can actually kind
of jump.
Speaker 1: On, you know, as the words that you should never
say with Harlem lewis little elbows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. I was like it was so close
we could barely see them, and depending on where you're sitting,
you you didn't know what was happening. And I was like,
what the freaking And I was like make this bigger
and from the comeback, I ask.
Speaker 1: You a question as the as the expert here because
I know the heel is supposed to lead the match,
but Harlem is the in quotes veteran of the two,
So who was leading the tempo of this match? Who
is supposed to be?
Speaker 2: I mean the heel is supposed to slow down the tempo,
meaning he does a move, punts the crown, talk scrap,
kills time, then goes back to the babyface. The babyface's
job is to either sell to the next spot, so
there's no whip running, placing, you know, too much shit
in between that doesn't make sense. Either places himself to
the next spot that's coming, and he's selling, selling, selling, selling,
and if it takes too long, you have to fight
back with punch or pushing or just so you don't
look dead. And it's the heel a job to stop
you because he's still in his heat. But you can
fight back. You could push him, you can do a
punch like. But right away the heel like sells a
little bit, then Boom gets back on you. So I
feel Cole was working too fast. But Arlen as a
as a veteran veteran, I mean more experienced than Cole,
should say go work the crowd, take your time, hit
me again. These are things you could say and to
give like kind of guidance to the rookie heel to
you know, hey, slow down, give me time to sell,
give me like.
Speaker 1: Like you can know they're both equally responsible.
Speaker 2: Then yeah, it's it's I mean, it's Cole's job to
work slow, but if he works too fast, the veteran
has to step in and tells like slow down. You know.
Speaker 1: That's what I was curious about, Ovious. You know, I
don't know who to really, you know, but you just
covered a beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the heel sets the pace, but it's the veteran's
job to tell the heel if he's not, so he
slows down and then gets back on track.
Speaker 1: Both these guys would benefit from working with like whatever
the male equivalent is of a Natty Well Charlie Dempsey.
You know, there's you know, Dolph Zigler's not with the
company anymore, doesn't mean they can't bring him into train.
I don't know what you know, there's not you know,
they used to have the entry, you know, if it
was the law. If you if you came on the
main roster, your first feud was either with the miz
Dolph Ziegler or Baron Corbin, And people often wonder why
why did Baron Corbin have a job for so long?
Because he was that safe guy that you could work
with anyone and was sort of like a gatekeeper. And
sometimes that was the order of your feuds, you know
those women, as it used to be the law that
your first view was with Naddy because she was safe,
you know, and and you know and and would help
get you better. And if she couldn't, maybe it was
time to put you in a tag team or cut bait.
But uh, I don't know. I don't know who that
person is, but I think that that would be interesting.
Then again, if you're a veteran and you saw what
happened to Apollo Cruise, unless you get like a no
cut clause in your contract, they don't guarantee for another
two years, I wouldn't.
Speaker 2: They don't exist in wrestling. Those claws they do in
hockey or No.
Speaker 1: I know, they don't exist in wrestling. But they can.
I mean, TKO change the WWE contracts. They can change
it for this sort they will, But listen, this is
fifty thousand people watched LFG last week. Now listen I
know that there was the World Cup and other things
as well, but the week before was like one hundred
and sixty three thousand, and I keep saying that there
has to be it's some lack of interest. Is because
many of the people on the show are no longer
with the company, and I think some of the disgust
I'm experience, you know, is diffused amongst that audience as well,
And it said, why am I investing another hour of
wrestling per week into this show when I'm not really
getting to know the people that much? They sort of
stepped away from the the you know vignettes, the personal vignettes,
and you know, half to two thirds of these people
no longer with the company anymore. What do I care?
I mean, we star with Carly Bright, not with the company.
We Apollo Cruise, and Malik Blade no longer with the company.
You've got there's another Serena Linton on this show, no
longer with the company. I mean, it's why why invest?
You know, It's like it's almost it's almost sad. It's like,
you know, the end of the story. So again, wwe
very short sighted? Again, just pay these people for another
three months before you release them. If you're intent on
releasing them, you know, and then have the non competes
after that for you know, or you know, or four
months whatever it is until the show runs. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I back to the match and the comeback. Arlm goes sorry.
Cole goes for a big boot. Arlem ducks it, clothesline
punch Mitchinoko Driver one two. He shows frustrations but no fire.
I mean that's where the babyface needs to work the
crowd and gets his fire. Then Cole counters gets into
a neck breaker. I love that he's staying on the
next so that's a good falsey because he worked the
neck the whole match. So he goes back to it
one two, okay, no grabs the book, then argues with
ref Stephanie. I like that they mentioned her name. He
goes for a low blow attempt, but that doesn't work.
Arlem castes him go into jag napim one two three,
and that's the match. So again I felt there was
good mechanics but not enough emotions. I felt Cole was
better as a wrestler, but oh my god, Arlem is
so he's like stagnant to me, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I I And this is also related to evolve, but
I become less interested in Harlem week by week, and
that's not the way it's supposed to go, all right,
so let me start here, So that's on the record.
I thought this match was somewhere between okay and pretty good,
so I'm not burying the match. However, the lock up
they did exactly the opposite of what Booker told them
to do. So that's a very bad start for two
guys not not registering what the coach said at the
very beginning. I understand it. Sometimes at some point you
forget about, you know, instructions or maybe some of the
agent and the booking. But right from get go you
covered the entrances perfectly. I do not like you know,
coal young kid, but one of the things they wanted
to see from him, and they let him know the
last time we saw him an LFG and I don't
know how much real time allowed apps between these the
errands of these shows, but they said, use the book
more incorporated into the story. He did not. It was
just there on the ring. Apron didn't threaten to go
with it, didn't try to distract a ref but when
the Rake of the Eyes grabbed the book, and have
the ref taken away nothing. Harlem Lewis got a sort
of a sneaky win, which I do not love. For
a baby face bad ass like Braxton Cole is the
one who get the sneaky win. Harlem Lewis, like Braxton
Cole should have tried to cheat. It should have been failed.
And then Harlem Lewis hits him with a spear or
something like that, or and then into his mitchinoko driver
as you said, and then whatever his like I don't
even think he used his finisher. He it was like
a roll up. I don't even remember what it was. Whatever. Okay, yeah,
it wasn't great. And Matt Bloom agreed with me because
his his comments. I mean, you know, he said, he
basically said, what you liked. I liked your execution. I
like CARLM. Lewis as I like your physical work, he
said to Bloom. Bloom said to Cole, I want you
to incorporate your character in your book more into it.
You need to act more. Couldn't agree with more. I'm
not so sure that I liked Lewis's like I didn't
dislike Lewis's work, but for I didn't love his work,
like I don't think he's as great as they think
he is, and I don't think he's as great as
he thinks he is. Like he's fine, but I don't know.
He's not Keanu Carter, He's not Oba Femmi. He's you know,
there's something, there's something not there.
Speaker 2: I felt that Coach Bloom was a lot more strict, uh.
His criticisms were more like heavy thwords cold than Arlem,
because he was like, you know, he's behind character wise,
he needs to find an identity. This is a TV show.
He needs to step up. His position was is not right,
and I'm like, this is all true, But he didn't
say much to Arlem, and even Arlm like goes, oh,
I did a good job selling and fighting back and
and I'm like, really, I like this, this is not
what I saw. I'm like, maybe I have other expectations
when it comes to my baby faces. But I was like,
I didn't see fire, I didn't see any I didn't
have pity for him. I didn't feel pissed because the
other guy was like super fucking cocky. I mean, that's
the heal problem there. I mean, if if you really
I hate the heel you're gonna automatically cheer for the babyface,
And of course Cole did not give me enough. But
I was like, when you look at the experience of
Cole versus the one Arlem has, like he's been to Japan,
he's doing Evolve and then LFG and just from lfg's
last season, I was like, why aren't you mad at him?
I was like, I get the other guy, like, maybe
he's a little behind, but I mean talk about being behind.
I'm like, to me, I still see things to do
with Cole, But Arlem, I'm like, somebody will have to
kick him in the ass or do something because it's
not fucking working. Maybe maybe being a babyface is not
a thing. Probably he's much better as a heel. But
don't tell him he's great at his selling and fighting back,
because that just not fucking happened. I was like, why
why are you saying this?
Speaker 1: I was like, a WWE, like I've said already, have
a bunch of guys who are somewhere between five to
ten and six feet who are I mean, they've got
like six owens.
Speaker 2: That Rosner sells like a motherfucker when he needs to
rock fucking Lesler. If you can't sell, by the way
brock did for fucking ob Femi when he got thrown
over the fucking top roll and his fucking face lit
up and he was read as fuck as like, oh
my god, what the fuck just happened. I was like, sorry,
you don't want to sell because you feel you're bigger. Whatever,
Just watch fucking brock Lessler. He fucking sells.
Speaker 1: He tries to cover it and you cut Ridge Holland
you know another guy who was that's instead of this
guy who got was really good in evolved, you know,
maybe partly be as she thought, you this guy in
the pipeline, Harlem, do better. This it's in you, it's there.
I mean, I don't want to I don't assume you're
listening to the show. But if you are, I mean
I don't assume you're bearing. But you know, you have
to act bigger. You have to be able to react
in the moments. You have to learn how to act.
You have to you have to learn how to act.
That's it's a TV show, so you have to learn
how to act.
Speaker 2: Speaking of the TV shows and acting, it's back to
our friends Xena Sterling versus Serena Linton and this time
they are with Harry Taylor or yeah.
Speaker 1: And they one comment on Zena because she said something
really strange to me in the you know, before we
get into this, because they did little interviews with Serena
and Xena, and Zena said that they don't really know
each other. They're both on their third season of LFG.
How the hell do you not know each other.
Speaker 2: Well? In wrestling, there's so many people. When you're so
focused on your own thing, you might not know the person,
like I didn't know. I don't know if she was
talking personally or wrestling was because she's also said they
didn't russell a lot together, so maybe that's what she
meant more about, like, oh, we haven't been in the
ring that much, like compared to other people she's been
with maybe more times than you know what Serenas.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're probably right, but you know, I
you know, I know this week has been a week
to beat up on Bubba a little bit busy said
he could beat up John Moxley or whatever, and you know,
Bubba I very mixed feelings about. But that's not important.
But I do think that Zina maybe didn't socialize so
much because she was busy doing the podcast and promotion
to her with Bubba Ray and doing things instead of
being in the PC, and that might be some of
the reasons that she hasn't gotten to know some of
these people. And maybe because she thought she was fast tracked,
she didn't need to. And I'm not saying that she's
a stuck up or anything like that, but you know,
young and you're you're again too much too soon. Maybe
this is a symptom of that. Maybe I'm projecting's okay.
Speaker 2: It could be all these reasons altogether too.
Speaker 1: So I can't wait till we get doctor Gina, because
that's one of those stories I want to questions.
Speaker 2: So Terry mentions that Serenia's job as the heel must
be she must be like it's clear as they she
is the bad guy, so automatically Zena is the good guy.
He wants the match to look unique, not the same
choreograph routine that they see in every other match, and
he says, you know, be smart about it, focus on
a body part. And I like that Norman Smiley was
right there too bad that they like, we've seen the Effusiic,
we've seen Jazz, we've seen Norman Smiley now and they
they don't say anything. I wish they would. I mean,
they're part of this freaking thing. Obviously, they're there, they're working,
so anyway, you know, it's a feeling business again, Let's
you know, not forget about it. There needs to be
sympathy for the good guy. They need to believe and
let's go.
Speaker 1: To the match. Hot dog, hot dog.
Speaker 2: Anything you want to say about any the Terry Taylor's
advices or what he's.
Speaker 1: Looking for or a little bit in that. I didn't
think that Terry Taylor, listen. I don't know what's editor
or not, but he was.
Speaker 2: He was.
Speaker 1: It was a little bit short, like I think both
of these women could have used a little bit more.
But I thought what he said. But I think that's
part of his teaching methods is I'm gonna say it once.
I'm gonna be brief and concise and simple in my instructions,
and let's see if you can follow it. They had
Serena position as the bad guy said, the story we're
telling is you're going to work a body Partpystre's bigger
and stronger than you, and that's what a heel does.
Very Anderson tag team, which is great, and we've had
Serena as the bad guy before, but she didn't present
as a bad guy. And I have to be honest
with this is what I was going to say at
the top of the show, and I said, I'm going
to save it. I don't. I didn't understand why Serena
was cut until I saw her cry, and I thought,
maybe she's too emotional, maybe she doesn't have it. And
between Zena and Serena, I was prepared to see who
cries first, you know, or if we see them both
have waterworks at some point, to see to test my theory.
And that's a tease for the audience because you know,
we'll get into that a little bit later.
Speaker 2: So there was not much of an entrance for Zena.
It was no I mean, I just she was in the.
Speaker 1: Ring commercial there posing what Serena came in New Gear
new music. Really liked the music and the beginning of
it was the same, but she definitely had different facials.
There was like, you know, more spicy than than fun,
you know, more like the Lolo ice dancing. There was
more specy, and she definitely came in acting as a
heel and I'm like, yes, Serena fine. She did the
same moves, but she did in a different way. Her
body language, her facials. It was almost like, fuck you,
I'm hot, but you can't. You know, you can look,
but you can't touch. And not only can't you touch,
but if you do, I'm gonna smash you, but you can't.
Fell army strong here.
Speaker 2: I liked Zena's gear. I just didn't get she was singing.
She had a little bit of fire, and I was like, okay,
you're a heel. Maybe it's because Serena was so I mean,
Xena was so stoic that Serena coming out second again
and that bothers me. I will I will die on
that heel. And and she was singing her song. She
had a little bit of fire, she was had banging.
But I'm like, is she meddled? She's supposed to be
kind of more spicy, But I was like, ah, you
know it's I would not sing or maybe the headband
I would do. I don't know something else that says
spicy because now I feel it's more metal and right
now there's a metal legit fucking metal girl in the NXC.
But anyway, that was from way before Louzy rain cave in,
but I was like, okay, there was a solid lock up.
Xena pushes h Serena in the corner and she keeps
it at the ref counting and she stays there. I'm like,
s z ealish. Then there's a big slap from Serena.
There was not much reactions from Zena. Serena goes to
the ropes and they're both separated from the ref and
I'm like, Zena should be insulted right now. And Serena
jumped in Zena's arms that she was thrown in the
corner and then there's like shit slaps to the chest
and she goes for head luck take down. Okay, let
me explain something. Once you hit in a match, you
do not go back to chain wrestling. There is chain
wrestling until someone hits you. Once there is a punch
or in this case, a slack, do not fucking go
into a headlock. You look like a fucking idiot. A
heel slaps you work into something where you as a babyface,
slaps back. You're gonna get a fucking pop and then
you go either either you use it to start your
shine or you keep it for a little bit later
in the match, and it's gonna play either in the
finish or your comeback as a babyface. You need a payoff.
But Xena didn't seem really insulted by the slap anyway,
So I was like, and yeah, I didn't like dispigoting. Yeah,
you know, And I.
Speaker 1: Wasn't gonna say anything because I think just when I
was typing this, as the match went on, I thought
I was being overly cruel. Yes, I spent a lot
of time complimenting serena entrance, but in the beginning I
thought she was trying a little bit too hard to
look heelish. I'm not sure if that was a reaction
to Xena sort of being a little bit dead pan
or she was just trying to hard. But it settled
down early, so I was not going to say it,
but now I feel like I have to. But it
was almost it was almost campy, which might be okay
for wrestling. I know that you're working for the back
of the room, so I just want to throw that
out there if you felt the same thing. But also,
Xena is the face. I mean, I thought her her
finisher was a little bit I've seen it. It looked okay,
but I've seen it where she couldn't quite do it.
Speaker 2: Well, let's let's wait for the finish. I mean there's
there's there's more to cover in this match, because after
that she went into that headlock takedown. I will all
say that solid headlocks Xena. I liked her face with
the you know, the tongue sticking out. She has more personality.
There was some good you know, I was talking about
the little elbows of Arlem. Serena did them good, like good,
we swing all the way back into the stomach boom,
Serena like it looked good. But they worked a little
bit too fast. Then there was a clothes line and
back to the headlock and the crowd was clapping for Serena.
Serena was down into a headlock. The crowd was clapping
for Serena. She is supposed to be again, I repeat,
clear as day heel. But right now, you know what,
she's a babyface. I look at her and icy baby face.
There's a There was like a cool duck from Serena,
you know, the split and then again it looks like
Serena is doing hope spots during Zena's eat. But she's
the you apparently cut by a big slam. Zena misses
the corner and Serena goes for you know, boots and
choke and the split broncobuster and stump, and then she
finally goes into heel mode. But oh my god, did
they lose time at the beginning, Like you're supposed to
know right from the start, who's the heel, who's the face?
Right from that slap, there should have been something where
Zena's man. She runs at Serena and she either dropped
toe holds her in the rope and starts choking and
starts jaw jacket right away, and she right right there.
But no, they kind of went into I don't know,
catch me if you can, and then fucking drop me
and then go back to chain wrestling. Made no fucking sense.
But anyway, we're in the good part. Now. Serena is
a fucking heel. She she's talking crap at the ref
at the people at Zena kicks in the back, good
body scissors. Now the crowd is clapping for Xena the babyface.
Finally she goes for a pinitempt though as a little
hope spot, but it's so so fast that it kind
of looks like shit, it looks bad. The shoulders are
not really both on the mat. But they go into
a double down like flying clothesline ish from Zena. It
looks good. Then the comeback they do. I really like
comebacks like that where the baby face blocks the heel
punch and then punches back and then chops and block
and punch and chops. Then there was a you know
for the Zena's come back to clothesline up down, a backsplash,
a tilt the world Slam one two three once again,
they went into a fucking come back into finish. It
was flacked. I didn't see any you know, well working
a bottom part. It's I'm guessing it it's the back
because the scissors and the stump in the back. But
there was, you know, a broncho buster, and there were
chokes and stuff. It was not really targeted, like not
not as much as Terry Taylor wanted to see it.
The hits were good. The Xeno's fire was better. I like,
like I said, like when she does her cheain wrestling
stuff now she asks personality in her face, like, but
my god, that was a flat f and Zina she
does have more intensity, more personality, but she rushes into
everything and then at the end she goes and slaps
Linton in the face, which just so fucking elish, and
then she starts skipping and she's selling her belly. I
was like, why, Yeah, the scissors okay, but it was
not long enough. You know. There was kicks to the
backs and stumps, like I would sell the lure back
or whatever part of the fucking back before I would
put my hand on the stomach. I mean, she had
two elbows, but really is that would cause so much damage?
And I was like, with the end of it, before
I talk about the end, anything else you want to
say about that match? You you were already talking about
the finish. So yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we can sum it up. And
Zena doesn't know how to tell a story in and
of course she's not actually being hurt. She doesn't understand
how to demonstrate really anything to the audience. I mean,
I understand the attractiveness of her mud, you know, and
and they want to sculptor, but you know it, it's
like we've we they you know, you don't need to
make a David, but you need you need to make sense.
We've got to get past the figuring they were like
five thousand years ago and we're still sort of in
the five thousand year ago figurine stage.
Speaker 2: It's it's something some promoters would ask me. Uh they
would they would say like, hey, we have this girl,
can you like push her meaning you know, uh, not hurt,
but you know, shake her a little bit, just to
see if she has anything, you.
Speaker 1: Know in herts Like, you know, you don't like talking
about yourself in this context, but honestly, if they really
believe in Zena, they should give her to you for
two to four weeks because you could teach her that
or you could say she she's just not gonna learn.
Speaker 2: She needs, you know, what she needs. But the problem
with w W there's no girls like that. She needs
a Seamus uh Iliad, dragon off Well shanea Basler.
Speaker 1: That's what says. Yeah, sh but she's not.
Speaker 2: She's been at the PC a little bit, but she
needs someone that's gonna wrestle her, and it's gonna it's
someone who's gonna actually hit her, so she feels something
and she she see if she gets mad, you need
to push her because it's nothing's gonna happen now I.
Speaker 1: Know that she's not doing great absolutely on the main roster,
and I know that she's working a W. D. Bee's
style now, But Julia came from that hard heading background.
Like if they had her work with Julia, that that
might be something that's worth while. I mean, I know
you have Julia's got a schedule already, but I don't know.
I would The only thing.
Speaker 2: I'm afraid would be if there's any language barrier. If
but I mean, she she needs, it would work because
if she throw Julia in there and just say like hey,
for or around, beat the shit out of her. It's like, hey, Xena,
just just fucking follow and see what happens. She would
be Yeah, she could do it for you. Well, she's
not there anymore, but Oscar would be one that could
do that.
Speaker 1: Well, she sort of is. She's just she's just she's
just all a break. Obviously, she took the pay cut
for half the money or whatever, and she's working half
a year. But they could hire her on a ten
ninety nine. You know, well it's already a ten ninety
nine on a on a you know whatever per diem
for this, you know, under not that it could be
a consulting contract or training contract. I mean, I'm whatever.
They have the best lawyers in the world. They can
figure this shit out.
Speaker 2: But yeah, they would neither girl. I would say English
speaking low because.
Speaker 1: I mean, you y, Mercedes Martinez, if you don't want
to volunteer yourself. Mercedes Martinez, who's probably available. I know
she's available for work. This is her last year wrestling wrestling,
so she's available for work as well, and she'd be
a great trainer for in this hard hitting style.
Speaker 2: I don't think the girls want someone like this though. Okay,
Unfortunately there's there's people who go and complain that some
of the girls are too are too tough, and then
you don't see them. I wonder why.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they're they're they they're fighting for a
coveted spot on TV. I mean, I know that wrestling
fans and a lot of people think that everybody going
through the system should make it to the main roster.
First of all, there's not enough spots for that. There's
not enough spots and TV for us like, so it's
a coveted spot.
Speaker 2: So if and there's some people who don't want to
give their.
Speaker 1: Spots and this is gender neutral, if you are a
girl or a guy or something in between, and you
don't want to learn a certain thing, then just just quit.
Speaker 2: So what happened in the end, the slap, in the
phase and the skipping and the kind of I was like,
if anything, I hope this is Zena slowly going to
the dark side and turning. Heel, If that's where you're
going the end of this match, it makes sense. If
that's not the plan, I would take her, you know, aside,
to say what the fuck was that? You were supposed
to be a fucking babyface whatever? Whatever?
Speaker 1: And right, And so she did the pie face after
the match was over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's well, I call it the slap, but yes,
kind of slap pie face things. I was like, yeah,
that's that's what I mean, just like.
Speaker 1: And that was me. I'm like, what the fuck was that?
You're the face? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's why I'm saying, if that's a slow
bill to her being pissed off and then turning, okay,
I see, I see. But Terry goes like that was
so good, and he's like then he explains and then
it's like, okay, I get it. He's like, the mechanics
were goods, but you know, smooths are a small part,
and I was like, yeah, move wise, they were better
than the guys before. It was more hard hitting. I mean,
besides that the beginning didn't like the story, didn't ah
to me with shit, the moves, the hits, the headlock, takedowns,
everything was better. So okay, I agree with that. He's like,
the problem with people who are, you know, so young
in their career is they don't have the experience to
wait those four uncomfortable seconds between the moves to get
the reaction. And I mean it is so true. Say,
you know, I was saying that with Cole and Arlem,
Cole should have hit way, do something, talk, kill time,
then go back. And that's exactly what Terry Taylor says
at this point, like these are uncomfortable seconds, but you
gotta fill them up with something, especially if you're the heel,
and then they don't feel so uncomfortable and you give
time to your baby face to suffer. Look at the
people and tell them only with their eyes and the
pain on his face, please help me. I need your help.
And if the heel doesn't give you time to do this,
then it's just like move move move wrestling and you
don't get the feeling part of the feeling business. So
he was right when he said, like the like Ciga
series should have been longer. So Zena looks in Jeopardy
like the people just started to clap when they beget
you know, when they begin to move again. So keep
it longer, you know, the audience needs time to understand.
And just like you mentioned before, I feel like Terry
Taylor is so good at explaining things in a simple way.
It's like he says a lot with a few words.
But the thing is you have to listen and you
have to apply what he's saying. Matt says, like Matt
Bloom says, he enjoyed the match arena should have you know,
got the beach bitchiness how out And I'm like, what
the fuck? What was he? What was I don't know
he didn't did he drink his coffee this morning? Because
like it's been two matches and the back to back
that I'm like, I didn't see the bit the bitchiness.
I saw it as soon as like the you know,
she she started kicking Xena in the back and then
the stomp and then but it took a while, like
like right, from the start. She felt like a babyface.
To me, She's like, there was nothing major besides that
slap that led to nothing to a headlock. I was like, fuck,
you know, he's like, work the holes, you know, so
you know, so the baby face can can work and
that they don't give up while they're hurting and stuff.
I was like, yeah, like all good, like advice and
things to apply to the next match. But I was like, oh,
because my head is hurting from this.
Speaker 1: Yep, here are all my notes, the totality of my
my non match related or not part of the match notes.
Coaches think they rushed everything. Terry said, mechanics were good,
but take twice as much time. Great advice. He explained
how the crowd must think the faces in jeopardy and
they want to help her. They got that at towards
the end. This match very much had acts in it.
I don't think it was on purpose, but it very
much had accent bloom. He liked the match. Zena said,
I need to know how to get the audience into it. Yeah,
I mean Xena always reacts properly to what they say,
it just doesn't translate so much into the ring. Though
she has started emoting above the waysigne. You know, so
she got that my notes about myself. I was bored
by this match, yeah.
Speaker 2: Like it. It's there's like two parts in this match.
There's a part where Serena's the babyface, and then there's
a part where Zena's the babyface, and then they go
really quickly to a finish.
Speaker 1: There's no like, oh my god, like neither one cried
and so no water work. So Jeff was wrong. So
nobody is overly emotional. So Jeff was wrong, and I'm
very happy to admit that. However, I'm scratching my head
now as to why Serena was cut because that was
the only reason that I could put my finger on it.
And I do think she acted heally and while this
was hardly perfect, I mean she had she had sort
of imperfect dance partner, and I mean I think there's
something there. Again, I'm not a giant Serena fan, but
I know a lot of people are, and clearly there
was there's a market for that. You know, looks wise,
the whole package she did, the Molly go Round. I mean,
I know that Aaron Rourke is doing that too, but
I mean, I think more than one person, I'm the
same finisher, especially if they're in different divisions. One man
won a woman, so I don't you know, I don't know. Also,
one of them can change their finisher, and I would
suggest to be him because she does it better than
he does. Anyway, Uh, you know, I'm not going to
go on a rant like I did about Apollo Cruise
because single A isn't supposed to advance every everybody and
sometimes hard decisions have to be made. I will go
back to you didn't have to do it four months ago,
and wait for the damn show to air, and then
do it if you're going to do it.
Speaker 2: But anyway, and then we go to the main event
Tag Team and we have a tag team specialists in Bubba,
he's like, what's the story here? And he's actually asking
the guys what's the story? So cru is an Olifield,
everything is about mentorship and Malik and Jamie is like,
we just met. This is our first shot at the
LFG Arena. It's our shot, so it's very important, which
and Bubba's like, yep, exactly, it's very simple. What's the
reality of this match? This is okay? Sell me that
in me it's important to you. You want to shine,
You want to prove that you belong in this arena,
in this main event, and you are maybe not brock
Lessner the next big thing, but a big thing coming
like you have potential and you're gonna go up to NXT.
So awesome. Like they knew what they had to do.
Bloom wants to see the synergy. How well can they
gel as a team. And I love that Olifield men like,
I love him more every time I see him. Why
because while they're practicing, okay, they're going over the match,
he's practicing his reactions, his selling his intensity, like he's
not just going to the motion. He stops and takes
time to say, okay, here, I'm gonna do this as
a reaction. Here. I was like, oh, I'm going to
go and you know work. You see that every detail
for him is important and it accounts and honestly it's
the way it should be, and like Bubba gives him,
it's it's actually something we mentioned like Olie, Phil should
avoid punches at all costs during the match, and of
course Booker Ti approves.
Speaker 1: He's like.
Speaker 2: Save it, yeah, save it, and right away Elijah gets it.
He's like, yeah, it has to be like, once the
writing goes up, the match is over.
Speaker 1: I was like, because he's an adult, but he's a
smart young man. He is smart, he's so coachable. Yeah,
we both like him. We both liked him the first
time he saw him. We both like him even more.
I have something that's okay back to Bubba, because remember
in earlier seasons, Bubba made a really big deal about
not shaking people's hand and you had to earn my handshake.
As far as I can tell, this was Bubba's first
exchange with Jamie Slash Romeo Moreno, and he went right
to shaking his hand. So is this that Bubba was
being a douche Canoe on purpose? Was it he was
BJ Ryan or BJ Ray was a douche Canoe and
Bubba was acting. Or has Bubba actually changed and softened
a little bit over time. Reason, these are kids. He's
not there to intimidate, he's there to teach.
Speaker 2: I would say, Bubba right away knew the other guy
was a douche, so he acted accordingly.
Speaker 1: So the earning my handshake is on a case by
case basis, Yes.
Speaker 2: I would think. So, you know, he arrives and Jamie's
looking at you know, him with big eyes and he's
he's obviously listening, and like when you look at him,
you feel like it's a kid that doesn't want to
do anything wrong, so he doesn't see him as an
asshole or a douche or a threat or you know,
just a kid.
Speaker 1: We have high hopes for this kid. He was killing
it in Europe. Maybe maybe maybe don't scare him away.
Speaker 2: Maybe, but yeah, I just feel Bubba it's a douche,
just just from the prior, the show that was on
the Roku channel, like it could be all this and
it's like, yeah, maybe maybe Bubba has a douche radar.
Speaker 1: He very I'm sure, very very much does and you
don't need to have a strong douche. I mean, I
think BJ would tell you his his character is I'm
a douche. I mean is a character, right, I mean
the thing that's in but it's you know, maybe turned
up to eleven or maybe he's already at eleven. I
I don't know, but you know he he is douchey
and you know he he just postes something I'm three
and oh on the the indies. So I mean, I mean,
good for him I get. I mean, I sort of
admire him, but I sort of don't at the same time.
It's it's it's it's a weird thing, but happy, we're
happy to talk to you. I need to stop to
pretending like these folks are listening, but maybe you'll get them.
Who knows.
Speaker 2: So they have a six minutes match, which is really
that's short for a tag team match, but Bubba mentioned
it's like it's six minutes, but it means it needs
to mean something, and you know, if we go into
the match right from the start, it's first of all,
it's more of a baby baby thing. It's it's more
of veteran team or mentorship team less because Ollie feels
not a veteran, of course, but he's under the guidance
of a veteran versus two upcoming guys.
Speaker 1: Who are new.
Speaker 2: You know, the LFG crowd, we could even say the
NXT crowd like a you know, the big show of
LFG slash close to NXT so Garcia. You know, during
the entrance, he has so much energy, he works the crowd.
Malik is more serious and for some reason I feel
that the dynamic works. You got the like, yeah, super
excited guy and the guy that's like the reason like it.
It can work. It's something that can work. They have
a tag pose right in front of the camera, right
like right from the start, I see a team like
they've never teamed together, but they take this seriously. And
they have both have like very different attitudes and they
have like you see, like they're not the same, but
they they need to gel and they're gonna make it work.
And from the entrance, I can tell that from the entrance,
and you know what, that's the weight should be. I
should not be asking questions like I see Malik has
the serious one. Oh he might do stuff that's not
necessarily legal because he that's very serious. The other guy
he's more up and going whatever. But it's important for
him too. But he loves the crowd and I see
the dynamic. I love it, and I understand all this
just from the entrance.
Speaker 1: And okay, let me call what the entrance it is. Yes,
we saw the same thing but interpreted different ways. I
agree the energy from Garcia and Blade was completely different
levels on the entrance. I'm just not sure that that
was planned or purposeful. I just think that's Malik and
I felt listen. Maybe this is this is again projecting
or over interpreting, because I knew that Malik had already
been released, but I felt like everything in Leak's body
language was surrender. It's like he's like, I was an
a tag team before they released my partner. They barely
put me on Evolve. Now I'm here, and I think
he knows that this is his last chance, and I
don't think he's got that level of confidence. Again, you
might be right that one was supposed to be the
hyped up one and one was a serious one. But
you know this is but because I don't know, I
don't know if.
Speaker 2: It was planned, but I that's the way they worked
with it. And I felt like like I didn't overthink,
you know, the release and everything, but just from watching
it without without you know, thinking about the outside stuff.
I'm watching this as a wrestling fan, and that's how
you know. That's what I see. One is serious, the
other one is really outgoing. But you know they have
a tag team post they obviously talk, they have a plan.
It goes with the story that hey, this is our chance,
so they just approached.
Speaker 1: But this is where I would really love to hear
from you. To see did you see what I see
or did you see what lusaw? I fully accept that
I might be over analyzing this thing based on information
that was, you know, not supposed to be part of
the record when this aired. But yeah, I felt it
was body language of surrender. But you're you're feeling like
another The problem with I thought they were supposed to
be the heels. Blade came out like with a heel,
Garcia came out like a face, And I don't know
if Elijah and Cruz are supposed to be heals. Nobody
was gonna boo Elijah. I mean, he's already like Samoa Joe,
and then nobody's gonna he needs to do something terrible
to turn him heal. So, you know, so I didn't
I didn't get Blade being healy with the way that
Rome was so energetic, and I don't know if that
was supposed to be the story. But I will say
this was a fun, high energy tag match. This was
a good match. So I don't want anyone to you know, again,
I don't want to be overly negative, but I think
if I say one positive thing and then I go
longer on the negative, I mean, that's that's it's not purposeful,
but like the positive thing is the positive thing. The
negative thing I feel needs to be explained. But yeah,
that's probably enough of me for the while.
Speaker 2: So Elijah and Apollo they come out. Elijah's smiling a little.
That's enough. That tells me you're a babyface, you're a killer,
or you're a babyface. Cruises so much fire. They look
great together. I was like, what if they had matching gear,
that would be like great, but just just I mean money.
I see money with them. Malik and Jamie are in
the corner now. They're both serious their face there, you know, uh,
they want to face the challenge. Looking at their opponents
getting in the ring, and I feel like they're selling
very well that it's their shot. They start the match
with Olie, Phil and Blade and you know there's right there,
there's a push and a good bump and right away,
I you know, Holly FIL's the power and I love that.
On the lock up, Blade was like putting his arm
in Ollifield's face, kind of like it's it's such a
little minute detail, but it was like, yeah, it tells
me right away that he takes it seriously. He knows
he barely has a chance against this guy, so he's
gonna you know, he's gonna work everything he has. Again,
like I said, solid push bump, there was like good
sell from the rookies, Like he went in this corner,
looked at his partners like what the fuck they were
telling me? Like with their faces like, oh this is
Sears though.
Speaker 1: These guys are real, right, And I'm not trying to
compare the teams and turns term of experience and skill level,
but this is very much like Bobby Eaton trying to
deal with Hawker Animal, you know exactly. This guy's gonna
kill me. He can kill me. He's much stronger than me.
So I've got to I've got to take everything in
my toolbox and toolkit to get over no matter how.
Speaker 2: And is from what yeah, and this is from what
just the lock up. They are telling me the story
right from the lock up, and that's how it should be.
The fans should not be questioning what the fuck is
going on? I see the story like from the entrance
and the fucking you know, lock up and push. I
know what's going on. And then that's where it gets
really interesting. Malik goes and attack the arm right away,
like very smart. That's the threat. We don't want to
get pushed. Also, you know, is arm I mean the
punching arm and the injured arm not to same, but
still his arms his power. Let's focus on that. He
tags in Garcia. They again, you know, work the arm,
reverse into a slam and again like once, what's Elijah's
slams Garcia. He's selling his arm from whatever happened with
with Moleik a few seconds before. He doesn't sell it much,
but he reminds us just by touching it that, oh, like,
it's something happened with this arm, so he makes it important.
They go corner for a quick tag. There's a double
tackle for the babyfaces of freaking press slam from Apollo Cruise,
go behind into headlock, push it to the ropes, and
then there's a blind tag. We we don't see that.
Molik is being smart again and tags this partner in.
They don't know what's the babyface don't know what's going
on because it happened behind the back. So I just
felt here. It was a little bit too long for
the referee to count them out. They were in there
for too long together. Uh, but the polo bumps Garcia
go behingh and then big back elbow to Garcia and
Malik is right there on the top rope with a
clothes line, so it took a big move from the
top rope to bring the bigger baby face down so
he doesn't look stupid. But the heels with the blind
tag by, you know, going behind a polo, so he
doesn't know what's going on, you know, behind us back,
babyface doesn't look stupid. The heels are because right from
there you could see that they were. Malik was more mischievous,
he had a plan, and Garcia was more of a
baby baby be babyface. But now they see like, oh
this is serious, like we might need to do things
that you know, are not legal to win against these
two guys. So they're telling me that story, which is great.
You know, Molik goes to punch Elijah and I love
that the referee goes on Elijah. This was so good
because Molik leaves us corner, punches Elijah. Babyface is angry,
goes in he's not legal, so the referee pushes him
back and that's where you know, brings they bring a
polo to their corner. They they do like good work
together on their side of the ring, cutting the ring
in half. They keep the guy away from his partner.
They went into a little combo thing where they they
both like jump over because I thank you. I was
looking to the like leapfrog. It was. It looked cute,
but it was a little bit too fancy. Once you're in,
which we could say, is the heat right now, like
they have control over the.
Speaker 1: Match, and I was like, the second guy should have
done an offensive movie guy exactly it was.
Speaker 2: It was fancy, it was cute, but it was not realistic.
Speaker 1: I have to be honest. I didn't mind it in
the moment at all, but when Sean brought up I'm like, yeah,
that's pretty smart. But the while I was watching the match,
I appreciated the the the not synchronously they the choreography.
Speaker 2: But that's it. Maybe it looked too chureraphed, Like if
you do a drop down, the guy jumps over and
then he gets hit right away. There's a purpose to
the drop down. Why would you jump I mean the
babyface should stop.
Speaker 1: The baby face, you know the maybe the heel member
of the team did it on purpose, and the babyface
member of the team was trying to be cute. Seeing
a fancy and maybe figured he'd does something on on
the on the rebound, you know when so I I
really didn't. I mean, I hear what.
Speaker 2: It's not the worst thing, especially that they did it right.
There was no fuck up. It looked clean. And right
away from there, Garcia goes for a pin holding the tights.
So he's on Molik's plan now that they need to
they need to cheat because these two guys are fucking real.
So we see like them. You were saying once babyface
once heel. Yes, but the babyface sees that he will
need the heel tactics to beat these guys too, so
they get on the same page.
Speaker 1: On the double leapfrogt thing that could be part of
the heel package going we you know, telling the other guys,
we know that we can't match you with power, but
you can't match us with speed and and sneakiness.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's too, but it was really you know, Cruz
was fighting back, and you know when I talk about
fighting back is like never dying. He was trying to punch,
she was trying to push, She was trying to reach
this partner. Like you, you could get behind him and
you wanted to cheer him, was like, yes, you can
do it, Cruise, you can do it. Like he kept trying.
He never he never died, like he gave us hope.
So as as a fan like we would normally cheer
for him. So that again, great tag team wrestling, then uh.
Speaker 1: He's great tag team wrestling. Stopping and a guy want
to put a rocket to a rookie?
Speaker 2: What do you do?
Speaker 1: You put him on a tag team with somebody who
this guy Voluntier, shut up, stop stop it, you need
to drink more.
Speaker 2: So Garcia pushes him back in this corner. Malik goes
in nice snapmare head luck, you know, slows down the
pace so that people start clapping for the baby face too,
you know again fight back. Then you know there was
a tag. There was a miss from the second rope.
Garcia goes for mootsalt roll through, almost runs into Maleik,
and just that those few seconds where it goes like
oh my god, I'm sorry, was enough you know for
Apollo to come in running and they were kind of
surprised by him. So he will break the kind of
double clothesline they were going to do. I would guess
boom they break it, and then boom tags in Ollie feel,
so everything made sense. There was no dead time, even
the heat. What we could call the heels, I would say,
the rookie who are trying everything to win, the sneaky rookies,
let's call them this way, because they're not like very
they're not evil, but they will cheat. So in this
case they are the heels. It was a great way,
you know, to make them look They didn't look stupid
because the moodsalt thing almost you know, ending up running
into his partner. That little thing was enough for them
to be surprised by a Paulo and go into the
hot tag. And when there's a hot tag, that's hot tag.
Speaker 1: I've seen here's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know why because with a hot tag should
come a bump and feet bump, bump, bump and bump,
and then you go back to the baby face bump
and you go back to the babyface, which is what
Garcia and Malik did, you know, and you know, tackles
clothesline and what was he doing her friend Elijah, He
was firing up. He was looking at all side of
the crowds. You know. He went from corner the corner
splashes with a lot of impulsion, a lot of energy,
went into a bulldog full nelsle slam kickout. So there's excitement.
It's not come back one, two three, it's like, oh ship,
there's a kickout. It was a good bulldog. I don't remember,
I think so, but I mean it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: It was back and forth. It was exciting. Nobody looked stupid.
They all look they they look even if one team
was a lot stronger and had a veteran in it
like the other team. Look, they were giving us the
impression that they could win because they were ready to
do anything, pulling the tights, you know, tagging behind the
referees back, going to hit the other partner on the
apron like.
Speaker 1: Like it was no one in this match deserved to
be cut.
Speaker 2: And it was like molik Go's in throws Ali Field out,
and there's a punch from Apollo which sends Blade out.
And remember like it's kind of a schmase right now.
But the two guys you need to bring in, the
two guys who are legal, which are Garcia and Apollo.
I mean, excuse me, excuse me, not Garcia and Olifield.
So Apollo, there's a little thing going on with Apollo
and Garcia. There's a rolling drop kick, Apollo goes out,
Garcia jumps on the top rope to the outside. It
was like damn, it was like really impressive crossbody and
cruise of an Apollo. So it's really back and forth
at this point, which is the part that we call
falsees why because it's they look like finishes. It could
be finished at you know, any seconds, but they kick out,
so you're like, oh my god. Oh so that's how
you get the end of a match to be exciting.
You don't know who's gonna win, and then you know,
even if one team is a lot stronger, the other
team is willing to do fucking everything to move Why
because they sold it at the beginning and they even
mentioned it before the story of this match is that
this is our shot. We need to do everything to
make a name for ourselves, and that's exactly what they're doing.
Garcia jump on top rope for a crossbody on cruise outside. Yes,
throws Elijah in because Elijah is the legal man. Goes
on the top rope for a drop kick and he misses,
and what is the babyface doing now? He calls for
his knockout punch looks at the crowd, fucking crank the
arm bam, great, great fucking cell of Garcia and falls
like a potato sack one, two three with a solid
pinfall with the legover. This was a great match. Everybody
looked great. These guys are money. I think I think
Malik looked great. He sold so good, like the guy
who's he's more of a heel and he wants to
do everything to win, and his partner who's like super Babyface.
He even gets on his side because he's like, yeah,
his plan is probably the one who's gonna work, so
goes in, you know, pulls the tight. There's never anything
very dirty like I rake or you know, joking, but
there's enough to say this is so important. We're gonna
play with the Worls.
Speaker 1: And that might come next if it gets desperate enough.
I love this ending. It's not just that he missed
the missile drop kick from the top rope. It's that
Elijah walked away almost like the Samoa Joe thing. Not white,
but it was an homag dud and it was it
was so smart. And then Romeo gets up and walks.
He turns around right into the side of the impact.
The timing was perfect. It was beautiful and I agree
with everything he said. Bubba was happy. I've never seen
Bubba this happy on this.
Speaker 2: He says. And fun, I'm like, yes, and.
Speaker 1: You know what I say, t k o ww, you
are mother Truckers for releasing two out of the four
people who were in this match, Mother Truckers.
Speaker 2: Of course, we don't know whatever's going on the PC.
Were there other problems. Yeah, I'm playing Devil's advocate here,
but if you just look at this smatch, if you
just look at this match, you're like, fuck, I see
a team that can be money money money, not only
in NXT on the main roster and the two other
guys did great. They worked really well as a team.
I would have pushed that that, you know, like I said,
like the Sears guy and the like it's almost like,
you know, the Terry Gordy and Michael Lays like ones
like really out there fucking outgoing and shaking the dancing,
and the other one is more of a stoic.
Speaker 1: No shit, you know, right, and then there's w Jack Roberts,
who's even just just play mean.
Speaker 2: So these kind of dynamics they work, and they could
have had that with these two guys because you know,
apparently they never worked together. If if it is the case,
and right from this match, they're dude, they're giving you
this fuck that was that was the way to go.
I think so. But anyway, we see Sean like, we're
not go over again. You just mentioned the leapfrog thing,
that there should have been a leapfrog and an offense,
which absolutely right. You know, Bubba loved that, the fact
that they had a hold on cruise and as soon
as Malik went in, he went into another old to
bring him down and get the crowd going so great,
hottag come back. But you know, sell up, you know,
little details because the back of the house must see
and that's true, like everything you do, whoever's sitting in
and back they either have to see you, you know,
feel it or hear it. They need to be part
of whatever's going on and anyway possible, you know, Apaulo
Gibbs great advice to all the feel there's no limit.
And then again, I'm mad, goddamn, I don't want to
go over this fucking show more than we did. The
two first matches were like, oh.
Speaker 1: We have a Plia watch. We got class of champions
coming up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the two first matches were like blah, the
last one was great. And as you say, the from
the first two matches, Serena Linton was cut, which is
probably the one that had a little something in all
the four people in the first two matches, and then
there's two people the main event that was great that
were cut.
Speaker 1: So what do you want to do? It's like, no, exactly.
I mean, I think I don't think I'd made my
feelings on this like more like probably more than anybody
wants to hear.
Speaker 2: So hopefully next week.
Speaker 1: We have.
Speaker 2: I'm not I don't know. I don't know what I'm
expecting for next week.
Speaker 1: Now or tomorrow in real time? Need do I and
I didn't. Normally I do a peek ahead and I
see what the show's title is. I haven't done that
yet this this week. But you know, first of all,
I can be blameless because as we both know that
we've had very hard weeks, both of us and more
than just one week for both of us. Uh and
I think we hide that well, but it's true, and
there's a lot of fucking wrestling. There's a lot fucking
wrestling on this weekend. We've got class, we have I
watch MLW, we have Triple A. There's you know, if
you see w T n A.
Speaker 2: And I'm going to wrestling show tonight, I was like.
Speaker 1: An n w A on comment if if if you
watch it, I mean, so if you do support all wrestling,
I mean. And plus I'm sure there's a million indie
shows that are on i W TV and then and
things like that and j C, h W, Lunacy whatever. Anyway,
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Speaker 2: So we will not see you. You will hear us
again this morning. We when we watch LFG and try
to see what's going on, because Jiff and.
Speaker 1: I did not.
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So enjoy all the wrestling that you're watching. Envbless next week,
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