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Speaker 2: It's Billified, the Bill Moran Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome. Thanks for getting your thank you for

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telling a friend. And that's how we spread the word

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about the pirate Ship.

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Speaker 3: Today a little different.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this is gonna be kind of fun

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because I get people who go, I love Mark.

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Speaker 3: I'd like to know more about Mark.

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Speaker 1: And since the Bills are playing and we're taping this

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Monday morning, uh and they're playing at an earlier time

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like seven o'clock. Oh they're on at seven. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Oh I didn't know that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're on. Yeah, I might go to BTV then,

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So okay. BTV is a great place to go watch

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the game man, because you got over fifty TVs. The

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food is fantastic. Get those potato skins that are the

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size of my head.

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Speaker 2: Yes, everything's not loaded to the loaded tater skins. Every

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made to order. Everything is made to order. So if

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you ever go in there and you're not you know

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what I mean. You have to wait like a little

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bit and you have no patience, you're an asshole because

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nothing's frozen there. Everything is made, Everything is mean to order.

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Speaker 1: I just got a message. Uh think I got a

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message the other day from somebody going, I want to

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tell you about my bt B experience. The food was fantastic,

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all this stuff, Like, I got this big long text

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message and I don't know it did You can text

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this show anytime at five, eight five two or six

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eighty eight sixty six. So anyway, that was, Uh, that's great,

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right that at seven o'clock. And I would suggest get

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to be TV, but get there by like six or

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six thirty, don't you think I think it might be

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busy meal.

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Speaker 2: We have a joke and we always had since bet

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to Billies, Bills fans don't go out anymore and they're lame. Yeah,

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I mean you go to floor, you go to Tampa.

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We went to Tampa to Bills Bar, and you could

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even move in the place.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's warm and it's you know, it's Tampa.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know, I hear you though, but I

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can't imagine, like, there's not a better place on a

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Monday night. And it's tough on a Monday because you

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got to get up to go to work on Tuesday. Uh,

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some people have the day off off, so maybe that'll

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increase a little bit. And the game being earlier, I

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would suggest, I say, go go have a great time.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, that is the best place to watch football.

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Speaker 1: That.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's no better place. And it's not

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actually saying that. I know, I know I'm biased.

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Speaker 1: Well I would think that people go, oh, oh you're

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buddy too. I've gone other places to watch games. Matt

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makes the environment fun. They play the shout song, they

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do these things. It's just a it's a fun environment.

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It's a welcoming environment, and it's a ton of bills

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and they got great.

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Speaker 2: People that work there too. Yeah, you know, it's a

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great staff.

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Speaker 3: So let's get into Mark, who became Mark the Soldier.

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Speaker 1: Grew up in Greece.

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Speaker 2: I grew up in Greece my whole life, Yes, your

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whole life, yep uh.

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Speaker 3: And what was your connection to what were you doing?

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Speaker 1: I knew you knew Doug right because you guys worked

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with me and Doug I grew up together. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I was on his bowling team when we were like

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twelve thirteen, and I was a crappy buller and and

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he made fun of me, so okay, I make fun

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of him.

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Speaker 1: So I kind of like, yeah, it's all work out,

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so kind of balance the differancial life. And but then

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eventually you end.

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Speaker 2: Up at CMF accidentally, and I think you were there

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when you started. I was there, right, We started at

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the exact same time.

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Speaker 1: Because I came in, I had sent I had gone

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to Fisher. My dad would send me money to party.

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Every two weeks I would check for fifty bucks. Woud

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show up and.

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Speaker 2: I had the bucks to party.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It was nineteen ninety it was, and everything was

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paid for by the way. I had all my meals

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paid for. I had the full meal plan, so this

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is just fun money. What I stupidly did was, as

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my sister recently referred to this person as my trashy

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girlfriend who was back home, I would blow like the

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fifty dollars on a phone bill talking to her.

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Speaker 2: All those phone bills. Yeah, see, the young people used

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to have phones that used to be and you know,

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used to come out of a wall.

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Speaker 1: That's right. And so when I went back, I went

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back and he said to me, you I'm not paying.

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I'm not paying now. Now you got to get a job.

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So I was like, do I wait tables? Because I

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waited tables for the summer. But I had also spent

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the previous year because I got a little bit of trouble.

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So it was like a mutual agreed upon thing that

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I would sit for one year. I was benched for

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a year and I wasn't going to go to college.

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That's when like the owner of the station came to

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me that I worked at. Rob Dyson goes, come to

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Maras and that's when my old man goes, Okay, here's

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the deal. You can go to Marris, figure out how

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to pay for it, get your own apartment, or you

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can go live with my brother in Park City for

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the summer. Come back and I'll pay for Fisher. That's

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what he said to me. So I'm like, well, I'm

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not dummy, and all right, there you go. I went

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to Park City, had a great summer, but I worked

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as a waiter. It was a terrible waiter, terrible, terrible

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to think about all the people you've ever hired, I

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was the fucking worst. Oh my god, I've had. I

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couldn't uncork a bottle of wine the first time. I

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remember this guy going as I couldn't either. I was trying,

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try and trying, and he goes to me, is this

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your first time? And I look at him dead seriously.

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Speaker 2: I go, yeah, I've been funny. If you said no,

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I was like, but I was twenty one.

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Speaker 1: But I so anyway, figure all that stuff out, come

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back here. And I had done overnights for a year,

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so I didn't even know what kind of tape to

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put together. So I had aliens landing and eating yellow

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snow and me throwing up and calling payphones in the

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middle of the night. And that's what I sent to

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c HMF and Stan heard it and hired me, that's awesome.

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And I got brought in on weekends and he said

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to me, we do five hours of funny radio day.

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Can you just do straight radio? Oh yeah, So I

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did for a few minutes. And that first weekend it

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was Tommy was the liners were Monday Morning tom and

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I kept saying Mule because I didn't know it was Bleat.

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No one told me Tommy, Tommy Muell will be joining

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the Brother Wee's Morning circus. So I started the weekend

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before it was October. Got it might have been almost

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thirty five years in ninety three, right, yeah, in nineteen

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ninety three.

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Speaker 2: I started ninety four, So we started. Okay, So you

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started in ninety ninety four.

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Speaker 1: Well, I wasn't around a lot because I was going

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to college during the week.

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Speaker 2: I used to see you because I worked for you

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in promotion.

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Speaker 1: Well that's because I graduated in May of ninety four.

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Speaker 2: Because I used to go and we's the studio and

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stay on the couch.

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Speaker 1: And then I yes, and then I started hanging out

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doing promotions after I graduated.

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Speaker 2: College was a great time.

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Speaker 1: By the way, that was a lot of fun. We

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had a lot of.

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Speaker 2: Fun edging them doing that today. Well, we did, and

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when we were on promotions.

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Speaker 1: No, right, I have no idea. I don't even remember. Right, Well,

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I didn't get I didn't hang out with a lot

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of them. And at the time I was living with

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a woman and I was engaged, so I didn't go

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partying like that.

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Speaker 2: There's one of your three engagements, right Uh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I didn't have three engagements,

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but damn close. Yeah, might as well, might as well

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call it that. But during that So, how does how

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do you get from Greece Catholic school, working at Kidney

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Shoes to being part of the brother Wee's morning circus?

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Speaker 2: Well, how I got marked? The soldier?

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Speaker 1: Name? Was? Is it? When Award Stern first came to town?

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I was?

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Speaker 2: I was always I never liked Stern. I never dn't

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know who Stern really was.

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Speaker 1: I know he was.

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Speaker 2: I used to watch this TV show you know that

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we used to be on us be on cable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It was like a w R.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And uh so I would go anywhere that

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there was Howard Stern stuff going on, and I would

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I would support Weeze and that includes so you would show.

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Speaker 1: Up at radio. I was gonna say but what the

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time was the nerve? Right?

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Speaker 2: It was the nerve?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you would show up at their events.

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Speaker 2: No, it was actually Rocket then it became the nerve.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so right, right, so you would show up at

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their events.

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Speaker 2: Yeahs And Dino talks about Dino says that he made

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Mark the Soldier. So he still says this very day,

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I'm I'm the reason there's Marked the Soldier.

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Speaker 1: Because he was uh, he he.

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Speaker 2: Bored up, he board opped. Yeah, and he did all

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the he did all the promotions.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just so Charlie Fitzsimmons asked me if I

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wanted to come and in, how did they find out

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about you? I would go see Charlie A fat mos?

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Speaker 1: Oh so you would go see Charlie if I was you,

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I was a groupier. This is amazing. So you were

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a groupie. You would go just on the on your own.

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What made you want to go and fuck with an?

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Speaker 2: I just I just I don't know, because I hated

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Howard Stern so much.

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Speaker 1: Did you see things that he was saying?

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Speaker 2: I just didn't like what he said? You know, We's

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is an institution in Rochester, sure and you was was Yeah,

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exactly they were. And you bring all of a sudden,

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you bring the big name in the town. Yeah, and

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he destroys everybody.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: And I didn't want Wes to go down from Howards Stern.

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I wanted him to stay and that was Those were

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probably his best ratings were during Howards.

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Speaker 1: So you just out of the this is just out

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of you. There was none of your friends were part

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of this.

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Speaker 2: All my friends would go with me because I thought

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it was funny, but they weren't part of it.

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Speaker 1: No, this is me, This is completely you, your own idea. Yes,

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and so you would go and what would happen at Like,

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I'm curious what would happen?

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Speaker 3: Because I have a story for you.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember when they used to bring the second

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rate people from Stern show in the town.

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Speaker 1: No, I because I was so wrapped up in college

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and planning a wedding and uh uh, I don't know,

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trying to get my career going that I never I

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just focused on that. I was sort of unaware that

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like Jackie the joke man, Martinling came in or Stuttering

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John or whatever.

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Speaker 2: I got banned from from where they were because I went, well,

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I went, I forgot where it was. Was it a

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fast remember fanst Eddies?

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Speaker 1: Yes, and Village Village Kate was in the back of

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Village Gate.

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Speaker 2: I think I went to I think it was Fast

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Eddies and they had like it wasn't I can't remember

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the name of their names, who they even were anymore?

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And I went in with a wee shirt and I

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was just being obnoxious and I was I was told

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by one of the characters from the show to leave, okay, and.

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Speaker 1: Then but these were the same people who would do

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the same fucking thing exactly.

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Speaker 2: I mean that that's not so ironic, is that?

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Speaker 1: Like I got I got stories for you, like legit,

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real stories that I don't think most people know, and

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I want to I gotta get them in a in

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a fashion that isn't coming out of my mouth because

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it sounds like I'll tell you like everything is secondhand.

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But go on regarding Stern, but go on, I'll tell

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you a couple of stories.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean I was, I was there. I

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was the Dan they used to call it danger boy

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when you would have somebody that would go yes out

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and do that. I remember I was in was twenty three,

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twenty four maybe yeah, So yeah, I started working on

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the showing, helping out.

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Speaker 1: Now, so you go to fat Mos and you tell Charlie,

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this is what I do.

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Speaker 2: Charlie already did all know it.

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Speaker 1: They all knew it now. They all knew that there

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was somebody showing up at the stern stuff and saying

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this stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yes, because I guess management from Rocket thought it was

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somebody that worked.

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Speaker 1: There, somebody that worked for weeks for okay, and they

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know I ended up you ended up working for a week,

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but you weren't working for right. That That's really interesting

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because surely would think that, right, exactly so, and those

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guys would get so pissed off at things like that.

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And because I remember I convinced the general manager when

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I was marketing director to buy a bat light that

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you could just beam the logo anywhere, right, So it

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was like this spotlight and you were just beaming out

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the side. So we had the mobile Homer Rock and Roll,

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and they're having a CD release party right at the

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bay where I don't even think.

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Speaker 3: I think now there's apartments in Newport House.

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Speaker 1: No newporthouse was on the other side, but this was

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down at the right at the bottom on Empire.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Okay, that's where Alvio's by, where Alvio's place, Yes.

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Speaker 1: But this was further up and I and now I

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think there's apartments there. I think they tore down whatever

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was there, and they were having a CD release party.

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And I was told by the boss, take the man,

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go out there and beam the light on there. So

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I do, and they all start coming out, like all

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the management, come on, man, why are you doing this?

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Why are you doing this to our stuff? This is

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our thing? And so then it's me because then I go,

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these are just people trying to fucking do their job.

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I mean, why am I gonna fuck it? Yeah? So

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I pack up and I'm leaving. And then Eric Anderson,

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who who? Who?

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Speaker 2: Actually is the reason He's the reason why I kept

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this up because he was such a douchebag.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: There was nothing good about that fucking guy, right.

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Speaker 3: I heard a lot of bad things.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know him. He tried to hire me once

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and I pissed him off, and he's screaming at me

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on the phone. Your career is never going to be anything.

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Speaker 2: He did the same thing to me, He tried to

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he tried to hire me so he could fire me. Yeah,

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magian getting that he should to hire me, and he's like,

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would hire me and then he'd let me go, And no,

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I couldn't go back to the other station.

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Speaker 3: He was a weird guy.

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Speaker 1: So he and he started driving at the mobile home, swerving.

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As I'm driving this rickety machine and getting on I

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think I wound up going off onto an off ramp.

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Speaker 3: I didn't want to go on.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to go five ninety south and I couldn't

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do it, so I went up on four ninety headed

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east and figured it out from there. But either way,

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so you do all this stuff, you get under their skin.

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You tell Charlie about it. Charlie says, to you come

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in and interns.

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Speaker 2: Come in more for us, work for us. He goes,

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I gotta hire you. He goes like this, He goes,

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you need somebody on the show like that, you know,

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because there was no young people really and and I

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was gonna be like the permanent intern.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean, we're getting credit.

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Speaker 2: No, I work for free. You can't do that for free,

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for you get it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, I always go if you really want

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to do something, sometimes.

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Speaker 2: You gotta started. Yeah, you gotta start doing it for free.

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So yeah, so I did it for free for about

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two years.

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Speaker 1: Two years.

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Speaker 2: You would show up at those hours, yeah, but I

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would work in promotions with with with you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you got but not paid.

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Speaker 1: No fucking Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I get up in the morning. I was

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delivering pizzas at night. So I was like, you know, okay.

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Speaker 1: All right, say you go there, this is fucking wild.

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Speaker 2: You don't know the story.

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Speaker 1: No, no, I really don't, because don't forget like I

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know that. People go, well, you came in like we

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kind of came around the station at the same time.

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But I was in a different world because I was

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still in college finishing up and by the way, like

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I had transferred to Fisher and then I had taken

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a year off because I got in some really a

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lot of trouble, but trouble. Nonetheless, I wouldn't be happy

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if my kids did it, and uh will probably or

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maybe uh they're just smart enough not to get caught.

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Plus I got in trouble because I was always mooning

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and they were very upset with that. Yeah, yeah, I

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had there. I actually just came across a picture of

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my ass in college, me disturbing Bill yeah, So I'm

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curious because we were in like different I mean, our

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paths would cross, but I wasn't hanging out like with

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that crew, you know what I mean. I wasn't part

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of Wheezy show, so I didn't see you a lot.

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So no, I didn't know the story. I knew that

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you were marked the soldier, a soldier for weez and

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that was it. Other than that, I didn't really know.

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And you were funny. And then you know, see I

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didn't know I was funny. You told me.

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Speaker 2: You told me one day, you go, you don't know

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how fucking funny you were?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I didn't know that. Well, I think because

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it's sort of it's the you know, naivete of of

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you not knowing certain things, and you were so open

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and willing to put it out there that it really

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made it refreshing. Yeah yeah, So okay, so all that happens,

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and then what happens with from the WII show? You

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become a paid guy? Yeah, I do.

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Speaker 2: Billy they hired they went to hire a producer and

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they didn't promote Billy, and they brought Athena Manseikis.

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Speaker 1: Then I remember that, and she.

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Speaker 2: Weeze hated her. Well he didn't, he didn't, but you

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know he hated No, he couldn't, he couldn't stand her.

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Speaker 1: Well, he's the one who hired her, right, She came

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out of recommendation from BJ Shacky.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, she didn't fit the show. She didn't

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get the show.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to bring somebody out of town to go on,

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someone who's never been associated with the show all to

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come in, and she didn't get it. So she ended

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up going down to p X y R. Billy got

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promoted to producer. Only reason they hired me was so

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I could give Billy a ride to work. I swear

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to god, they didn't want to hire my ass.

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Speaker 3: I didn't know this.

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Speaker 1: Oh, this is fantastic.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's one Billy's. It's still one of my

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really good friends.

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Speaker 1: This is fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they hired you.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't go over twenty hours. Yeah, okay, wow, I

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worked about fifty.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't go over twenty.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's so shitty because this is where I

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get upset with radio as a business, because you have

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people that are passionate and want to be part of it,

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but there's no one there that's going to show you

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how to do it. Yeah, you know what I mean,

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like to produce a Weeze type show. I don't think

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I could have been. I wound up producing Weeza's show

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for a number of years in the early two thousands. Yeah,

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but I had already done my own show. I had

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done afternoons, I had done talk stuff, I had done

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all that stuff. So you're coming in with and all

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I would say is if I was in Weeza's chair,

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what would I want? Right? And that's how I did it.

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And I thought we had a similar way of looking

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at things, not identical, but certainly similar. And so it

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made it easier for me because everybody goes out that's

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one foot out the door. When you go to Weiss,

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show you one foot out the door to get fired.

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Speaker 2: See I disagree with that. I was under the We's umbrella. Yes,

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I mean there's Derek management on. You're in of me,

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and he wouldn't let he he would let let it happen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I was under that umbrella and until everything exploded

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and they put me down to p X.

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Speaker 1: Y Okay, what what when? What do you mean? When

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everything exploded?

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Speaker 2: The whole thing. Yeah, harassment, They laid off a bunch

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of people. I made the cut because I was working

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in promotions, okay, CMF and then I went over.

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Speaker 1: To p X Y okay, so all right. And then yeah,

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because I had I had.

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Speaker 2: Worst job ever. I hated that fucking seation.

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Speaker 1: But all this just out of being a huge supporter

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and fan of the Wii show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting because.

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Speaker 2: I was not a trained radio guy. No, everything I learned.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think that's the better thing, because what we

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radio was like this polished thing, right, and yet I

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have a certain voice and a certain thing, and and

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we sort of went against that green and that's what

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made him such a unique I hear. But what I

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also think is that, and especially now you hear the

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word tossed around a lot authenticity, and all authenticity is

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are you comfortable truly being who you are? Like you

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are who you are, and you bring that out, all

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your quirks and everything. You were truly authentic, mark like

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you were just you. You didn't try to pretend to

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be somebody else. You weren't this Remember, like I've talked

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about this, one of the things that attracted me to

476
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,240
the radio was I could be a cooler person behind

477
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,039
a mic where no one could see me than I

478
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,359
was in real life. And it took me years to

479
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,240
kind of get to the authenticity I needed to go

480
00:22:42,279 --> 00:22:45,759
through all that shit, but I had, you know, I

481
00:22:45,759 --> 00:22:49,559
always thought I always struggled with just the fact not

482
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,480
that I ever was, but that I was gay because

483
00:22:52,519 --> 00:22:55,480
I had been molested and the things I did made

484
00:22:55,559 --> 00:22:59,279
me in my head. So for me, hiding and being

485
00:22:59,319 --> 00:23:01,000
somebody else was the great.

486
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:01,799
Speaker 2: It was the great escape.

487
00:23:01,839 --> 00:23:04,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, but for you being part of I think that

488
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,400
that I mean, that authenticity, that whole thing, and I

489
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,119
always bring it up with like the you know, the

490
00:23:09,319 --> 00:23:11,920
the one contest that you had when I will never

491
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:13,799
forget it. It was one of the funniest and it

492
00:23:13,839 --> 00:23:16,519
was so funny because it was so real. It was

493
00:23:16,759 --> 00:23:19,519
just a real moment. It was like that didn't have

494
00:23:19,559 --> 00:23:21,759
to happen on the radio. That could have happened at

495
00:23:21,759 --> 00:23:24,160
a keg party at a college, That could have happened

496
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,440
at a cocktail party at somebody's house, That could have

497
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,400
happened at a lunch Do you know what I'm saying.

498
00:23:28,759 --> 00:23:31,440
That was the beauty of it to me, And I

499
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:35,119
think that that authenticity that you brought, that realness, that

500
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,079
that that you just were this guy and you loved

501
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,799
We'ze for whatever reason, you know, not knowing him, and

502
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:42,799
that was a fan.

503
00:23:43,279 --> 00:23:46,759
Speaker 3: The The part that I just want to point out is,

504
00:23:48,319 --> 00:23:49,440
you know, I.

505
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,759
Speaker 1: Know Howard has changed a lot, and I know that

506
00:23:52,039 --> 00:23:56,599
I read things online like he's woke and whatever. A man. Yeah,

507
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,839
I could care less, But what I will say is

508
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:06,319
Howard built something and was super protective of it, right,

509
00:24:06,519 --> 00:24:11,200
super protective, like he didn't want anybody in that bubble.

510
00:24:11,279 --> 00:24:13,440
He knew what he had, and he knew that there

511
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,319
were other people out there that were doing it, and

512
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,559
he also probably was aware that there were other people

513
00:24:18,559 --> 00:24:20,599
out there that may be able to do it better,

514
00:24:21,079 --> 00:24:23,000
like be edgier because they were younger.

515
00:24:23,039 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 2: He acted like he invented morning show radio. Yeah, he

516
00:24:27,559 --> 00:24:30,319
kind of didn't, and he didn't know I was for Weez.

517
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:31,359
There was there was.

518
00:24:31,599 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 3: Oh, there was Imus, and there were guys.

519
00:24:33,079 --> 00:24:35,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a guy, doctor John Partner on the

520
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,480
old UH ninety two five.

521
00:24:38,759 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

522
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,279
Speaker 2: I think it was MGQ maybe or I don't know

523
00:24:41,319 --> 00:24:43,319
what it was. And he did a morning show and

524
00:24:43,319 --> 00:24:45,880
that was a couple of years before Weez.

525
00:24:46,319 --> 00:24:49,799
Speaker 1: So there was always right, that's true. So Howard did

526
00:24:50,079 --> 00:24:52,799
kind of talk about he he sort of paved it.

527
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 3: To be a little dirtier, a little edgier.

528
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 1: A little more raw, right, right. He did a lot

529
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,720
of weird games like he and there were women farting

530
00:25:01,759 --> 00:25:04,799
in microphones. You know, it was shit like you just

531
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,759
never heard on the radio because it was this sort

532
00:25:07,759 --> 00:25:10,359
of polished thing. And here comes Howard. Not the biggest,

533
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,400
not the smoothest voice, not the you know some in

534
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,440
that sense of wheeze. But Howard to me, when I

535
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,599
look back now as I go, the Howard you're seeing

536
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,359
now is the Howard that always was. People thought he

537
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,759
was this rock and roll rebel guy. But to me,

538
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,119
he was a radio businessman. He was and he knew

539
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,519
the character he needed to play. I'm not saying it

540
00:25:31,559 --> 00:25:33,920
wasn't somewhat authentic. I think it was a real. No,

541
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:34,440
he was a.

542
00:25:34,519 --> 00:25:36,799
Speaker 2: Character because he was. He was a geek. You know

543
00:25:36,839 --> 00:25:39,000
how he know why? How who? You know why? He

544
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,200
grew his hair out De Schneider from Twist's sister. He

545
00:25:42,559 --> 00:25:46,200
based his his look on his hair on d Schneider.

546
00:25:46,519 --> 00:25:48,640
They were buds and that's why he grew his hair

547
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:49,319
out like he did.

548
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,799
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, look, the thing was and everybody does

549
00:25:52,839 --> 00:25:56,240
this right, but I always think, like I think it

550
00:25:55,799 --> 00:26:00,559
was taking pockets of his personality and accentuating that because

551
00:26:00,599 --> 00:26:02,759
on the other side, he was a family man. He

552
00:26:02,799 --> 00:26:07,240
had three daughters that he protected very much from the spotlight.

553
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,039
He had very involved with his parents. He brought a

554
00:26:11,079 --> 00:26:12,960
lot of that. He never talked about his daughters on

555
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,079
the air, but he talked about his wife. So there

556
00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:18,160
were certain things he wouldn't talk about. And he was

557
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,440
more of a brilliant business guy. He went to bed

558
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,599
at eight o'clock every night to make sure he had

559
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,000
eight hours of sleep. So if you had dinners, I

560
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,400
remember an old boss, even when he wound up in

561
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,640
serious going down and being part of his show, and

562
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,160
he's like, hey, if you're gonna have dinner with Howard,

563
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:34,359
you gotta go to dinner.

564
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 3: At like four thirty or five.

565
00:26:36,279 --> 00:26:38,319
Speaker 1: I mean, but that was so he'd go in and

566
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,559
so he'd go in in prep because he had writers. Yeah,

567
00:26:41,599 --> 00:26:43,960
oh he would show up at like five. But remember

568
00:26:44,039 --> 00:26:44,640
Wes would.

569
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:51,599
Speaker 2: Show up ten minutes before the show. But that's but

570
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,240
that's what meet him the best.

571
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,559
Speaker 1: Yes, it's just two different styles, right, And look, Howard

572
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,720
was in the biggest radio market you could be in.

573
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,000
He wound up being indicated. I'm not taking anything away,

574
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,240
but he went after people. And here's what I will

575
00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:08,960
tell you is when Opie and Anthony got fired in

576
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:14,240
Worcester outside of Boston, and they get hired by the

577
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:18,039
same company that fired them in New York City, they

578
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,480
wanted Their original deal was to be on what it

579
00:27:21,519 --> 00:27:23,680
was called K Rock in New York, Howard in the

580
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,039
morning and them in the afternoon. And Howard went to

581
00:27:27,079 --> 00:27:30,440
Melcarmezan and said, absolutely fucking no. So they own this

582
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,200
orient album oriented rock station. And I only knew it

583
00:27:34,279 --> 00:27:37,200
because it was very similar to the station I worked at.

584
00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:41,160
And all the guys that were running WPDH and Poughkeepsie

585
00:27:41,519 --> 00:27:46,119
were like disciples of WNNW in New York, and like

586
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,759
they loved the guys that worked there. And there was

587
00:27:49,799 --> 00:27:52,000
some guy who came in. It was the only time

588
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,839
I ever saw the sixty four pack Crayola Marlboroughs, Like

589
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,119
it was a two tier box of Marlboroughs. And this

590
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,680
guy would call himself the brick because he smoked bricks

591
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,000
of hash and he was trying to get back on

592
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,519
any w So he was putting a tape together and

593
00:28:05,519 --> 00:28:07,519
he would come up on weekends. He was such a

594
00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:12,720
fucking douche. And they wound up putting Opie and Anthony

595
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:17,759
on this album oriented rock station in the afternoon, and

596
00:28:18,519 --> 00:28:20,720
they used to start playing music. And then I think

597
00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:24,079
I thought for a while Opie was taking like batting

598
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,160
practice with a whiffle bat and the CDs and the

599
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,279
studio and smashing them and saying how this station sucks

600
00:28:29,319 --> 00:28:32,559
and blah blah blah. But they were only there because

601
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,119
Howard wouldn't let him on ninety two on K Rock.

602
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 3: Then they went to Howard had the Son of.

603
00:28:40,599 --> 00:28:43,319
Speaker 1: A Beach show at the time on FX or Fox,

604
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,279
I think it was Fox. He was producing it, and

605
00:28:46,759 --> 00:28:48,480
there was a press conference for it, and Opie and

606
00:28:48,519 --> 00:28:52,200
Anthony show up, and somebody comes back to them and

607
00:28:52,279 --> 00:28:56,839
it's being delayed and being delayed and being delayed. Nobody, everybody,

608
00:28:57,079 --> 00:28:59,039
nobody knows why. And somebody comes back to them and goes,

609
00:28:59,079 --> 00:29:00,400
you guys have to leave. How it's not going to

610
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:01,920
come out until you leave because he thinks you're going

611
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,759
to do what he would do, what press conferences with.

612
00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 2: His people, right, right?

613
00:29:06,079 --> 00:29:09,079
Speaker 1: So he was super protective of that. And I think

614
00:29:09,119 --> 00:29:10,960
there was a time when one of his daughters had

615
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,480
a medical issue, wound up in a hospital, and I

616
00:29:13,559 --> 00:29:16,160
think it was some kind of drug related issue. And

617
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,279
at one of the cops calls into Opie and Anthony, Hey,

618
00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:22,000
Howard just came in. He's crying blah blah blah because

619
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,920
they had police down there to sort of protect Howard

620
00:29:25,519 --> 00:29:29,000
and this guy's calling any w and Mal pulled the

621
00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:32,720
plug and they went to best of Oh yeah, yep.

622
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,119
So Howard was super protected. Like all the shit that

623
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,240
he did to everybody else, he would not He had

624
00:29:39,319 --> 00:29:41,960
like an arm. He was insulated from all of it.

625
00:29:42,119 --> 00:29:44,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, Because one time, and it's funny you say it.

626
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,799
One time, I think his name was Captain Jenks, Yes,

627
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,920
it was Season one, used to go bah blah blah blah.

628
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, he used to call everywhere.

629
00:29:53,319 --> 00:29:56,799
Speaker 2: He called One time and I star sixty sixty or

630
00:29:56,799 --> 00:29:58,160
whatever it was, and it got his number.

631
00:29:58,359 --> 00:29:58,759
Speaker 1: He did.

632
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 2: We abused that guy for months. He'd start, well, you

633
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,160
can I'd call him. I'd get up at like three

634
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,000
in the morning and stuff, and I'd call him at

635
00:30:08,039 --> 00:30:11,599
three in the morning. Our friend check at his number.

636
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,200
He'd call it all out franch heck following him so

637
00:30:16,119 --> 00:30:18,960
and He's like, you were disturbing my mother. And I go,

638
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,680
I go, I go welcome, I go welcome to the

639
00:30:21,759 --> 00:30:25,119
other side. Motherfucker. Yeah, I said, you're gonna go welcome.

640
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:26,279
That It sucks, doesn't it?

641
00:30:27,119 --> 00:30:27,599
Speaker 1: It sucks.

642
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,359
Speaker 2: And he used to tell Howard that Dino said, Howard

643
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,400
knew those guys would go back and tell Howard there's

644
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:36,920
a there's a kid in Rochester.

645
00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 3: So you're okay, right, And he didn't try to hire you.

646
00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:41,759
Speaker 2: Howard, I wouldn't have went.

647
00:30:42,119 --> 00:30:45,799
Speaker 1: I remember seeing him at like a morning show boot

648
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:50,240
camp early on, not Howard, uh stuttering John showed up.

649
00:30:50,279 --> 00:30:52,240
And then there was this guy in Chicago, man Cow,

650
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,880
and then got an argument. It was some stage with

651
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,200
like a w W E bullshit thing, But I am

652
00:30:58,079 --> 00:30:59,119
basically what we did.

653
00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 2: In Rochester was we gave the Stern Show exactly what

654
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,119
they did to everybody else. And they didn't like the

655
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,720
way we played. We were playing the same way they were.

656
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: Well, I don't I don't think the WII show was.

657
00:31:11,759 --> 00:31:12,880
I think we've just ignored it.

658
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,079
Speaker 2: Well, he did, but they the more they tried, but

659
00:31:16,519 --> 00:31:19,839
we when they were trying to go in and get

660
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,759
on and stuff like that. We were doing what they

661
00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:25,079
were doing. We were getting their number and we were

662
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,319
calling in. We were con We's is showing yell and weize,

663
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,880
you know, we were con Howard's showing yell and weiz.

664
00:31:31,359 --> 00:31:33,759
So we were doing and they were mad. They didn't

665
00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:36,839
like the way we played because well.

666
00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: That wasn't sanctioned by Weeze though, No, that was us,

667
00:31:39,599 --> 00:31:41,440
but the other ship was sanctioned by Stern, you know

668
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,359
what I'm saying. Like, and I'm sure they had meetings

669
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,279
and plans and all that. I'm I'm almost ponsive.

670
00:31:47,759 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 2: So we basically we we as say we I the

671
00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:56,279
you know, the producers and stuff like that. We we

672
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,359
did exactly what they did to other other markets into

673
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,759
Wee's and they didn't like that because we were the

674
00:32:01,799 --> 00:32:03,920
only ones that did it. No one came at them

675
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,200
like like we did. We's ignored it, but we didn't.

676
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: Right.

677
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:11,119
Speaker 3: And so because I even remember and it was sort

678
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,480
of the playbook.

679
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: And radio then how to attack people, because there was

680
00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:20,440
I was doing the afternoons and e Man had two

681
00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:23,079
guys that were like in San Francisco or something, and

682
00:32:23,119 --> 00:32:25,960
they would voice track for here, so they would rip.

683
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,319
Speaker 3: On me and think they would just make fun of me.

684
00:32:29,359 --> 00:32:32,559
Speaker 1: And then one time they called me and they called

685
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,799
on the handset and I said, I'm not talking unless

686
00:32:35,839 --> 00:32:39,680
you call the on airline. Calling on airline that way

687
00:32:39,759 --> 00:32:41,240
I can tape it because I know you're going to

688
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,759
edit to try to make me look bad. So they did.

689
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:49,480
I played backmine and it just never worked for them, right,

690
00:32:49,599 --> 00:32:50,160
because they.

691
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 3: Just it was just one of these things. And I

692
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,519
guess here's the thing.

693
00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:57,079
Speaker 1: The way I look at it now, it's like it's

694
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,680
fun to sort of get under somebody's skin. It's a

695
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,480
little competitive, but at the end of the day, it's

696
00:33:02,519 --> 00:33:05,240
just just everybody trying to just do a job, have

697
00:33:05,359 --> 00:33:07,119
a little bit of fun, you know what I mean.

698
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,039
Speaker 2: I have no fucking energy today. I could give a ship.

699
00:33:12,119 --> 00:33:14,279
Speaker 1: I really could, right, I mean, like, I have no

700
00:33:15,559 --> 00:33:18,799
I have no beef with really anybody at all.

701
00:33:19,119 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 2: I'm friends with half of the people that I used

702
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,400
to do up. I mean, Dino is one of my

703
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,640
one of my very very good friends, and I mean,

704
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,279
you know and I and he should hate me more

705
00:33:28,319 --> 00:33:30,960
than anybody, but he's one of the people I still

706
00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:32,400
keep in contact with the radio.

707
00:33:32,519 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, that is interesting. Yeah. I wanted to

708
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,160
say this real quick because Matt has the new place,

709
00:33:40,519 --> 00:33:42,960
the Slice and Stack and spencer Port. I want to

710
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,920
make sure which is a to go place.

711
00:33:45,279 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 2: I want to make sure that I'm seeing the right

712
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,039
thing where he's located.

713
00:33:50,119 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: Okay, Slice and Stacks, he's next to.

714
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 2: Old I should have been seeing. I should have been

715
00:33:57,519 --> 00:33:58,279
all prepared.

716
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,319
Speaker 1: For Slice and Stack spencer Port, New York. Uh, and

717
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,880
it's a it's a to go place. Your favorites. You

718
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,240
just you can order online. You just go to Slice

719
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:12,119
and Stack with an n in there dot com and uh,

720
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,000
what's cook And take a look at our menu And

721
00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:18,440
the menu looks fantastic. You've got you know, appetizers, nachos, stuff,

722
00:34:18,519 --> 00:34:22,280
case of das they do plates out there, wings, handhelds,

723
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:26,519
and it's all to go right, all the fantastic burgers

724
00:34:26,559 --> 00:34:30,440
that you you know that you've come to know and love. Shit.

725
00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 2: I headed up here. It's right next to I don't

726
00:34:33,079 --> 00:34:36,800
I believe it's connected. I haven't been there yet. To

727
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,960
a brewery in Spence Reports has been there for a

728
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:39,480
long time.

729
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: And by the way, if you're looking for a job,

730
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,199
you can go right on the website Slice and stack.

731
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, you go there right now, the pip jobs. If

732
00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:50,280
you need a job, go there right now. They'll they'll

733
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:51,519
put your right to my nice website.

734
00:34:51,559 --> 00:34:55,079
Speaker 3: You did, and uh, I mean, look, if Matt's involved,

735
00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:56,000
the food's gonna be great.

736
00:34:56,559 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: Right.

737
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,679
Speaker 2: He's where he's he's there himself and he's you know,

738
00:35:00,119 --> 00:35:02,639
he's there, he's working the line.

739
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,079
Speaker 1: So uh, yes he is.

740
00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 2: But it is connected to the to the Dowds, Max

741
00:35:08,559 --> 00:35:12,559
Dowd's parents, it's I believe it's connected to it their

742
00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:15,320
brewery that they bought. And we've known them for a while.

743
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:16,719
I don't know if you know who maxed out is.

744
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,480
His parents are wonderful. They're great people. So that was

745
00:35:20,519 --> 00:35:23,840
kind of a good, a good marriage having those two

746
00:35:24,159 --> 00:35:26,840
places next to each other, because you know that they

747
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,199
don't serve food there, so the food comes right from

748
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:29,960
slicense back.

749
00:35:31,199 --> 00:35:34,559
Speaker 1: Okay, so the food. That's fantastic, right, What a great

750
00:35:34,599 --> 00:35:36,079
way to do it it is you can take it

751
00:35:36,159 --> 00:35:37,679
out and just go sit over there and have a

752
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,199
brew and have the delicious food from Matt's slight slices

753
00:35:41,199 --> 00:35:45,239
stick nice. Matt's just busting his ass. I love it.

754
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:50,639
Speaker 2: I'm impressed he's skinning tool over the ship. No, but

755
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,760
he would be bored if he did anything else though,

756
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,719
you know what I mean. Sure, and if he was

757
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,440
doing what I was doing, he'd he'd be bored.

758
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,679
Speaker 1: I can't not fixture that at all.

759
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 2: I can't fixture that slapping kids around.

760
00:36:06,119 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: Oh that's funny. So talk to me about, like on

761
00:36:09,079 --> 00:36:12,920
a on a more personal level with things. When I

762
00:36:13,079 --> 00:36:16,840
knew you you, I hope I can say this and not.

763
00:36:17,519 --> 00:36:20,760
But you were engaged, right, she was a teacher. Yes,

764
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,039
I think we made fun of you about the size

765
00:36:23,079 --> 00:36:26,840
of the ring. I think Tommy said. Tommy said, like

766
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,440
it looked like he took something out of his eye

767
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,280
and put it. I bought it. I think about it

768
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:31,880
a Walmart.

769
00:36:34,159 --> 00:36:38,119
Speaker 2: I thinks, Okay, but you were young, and you know, yeah,

770
00:36:38,119 --> 00:36:39,960
you know all that money I need to come in,

771
00:36:40,119 --> 00:36:41,679
all that money I made the radio stay.

772
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: You were working for fucking free. I don't understand that.

773
00:36:44,679 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 2: Like, and now, when I got paid, it was still

774
00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:48,800
I couldn't go over twenty hours.

775
00:36:49,559 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 1: And yet you stayed because of the love of it.

776
00:36:52,159 --> 00:36:55,000
That that that's It's like I always hated it because

777
00:36:55,039 --> 00:36:58,000
I felt like radio took advantage of people like that.

778
00:36:58,159 --> 00:37:01,320
I guess any business maybe maybe would at the time.

779
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,519
There are laws now that kind of prevent that sort

780
00:37:03,519 --> 00:37:06,639
of thing from happening, because people did stry. But at

781
00:37:06,679 --> 00:37:08,639
the same time, that was the part that I hated.

782
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,639
And there was no training. It was like either you

783
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:12,599
got it or you didn't. Right right, you got it

784
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,639
or you didn't. And that was the thing I management changed.

785
00:37:17,079 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Kevin mcgratt took over.

786
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: Who I owe him.

787
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 2: I owe him tons of gratitude. He's one of my

788
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,440
favorite people. You know, I've been taught to him in years,

789
00:37:25,519 --> 00:37:29,360
but you know, he's still He decided when he took over,

790
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,519
he got rich. He decided to put his own people in,

791
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,440
younger people, yeah, and stuff like that. He you know,

792
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:40,519
to start, he you know, he had me, actually, he

793
00:37:40,599 --> 00:37:41,960
had me doing a bunch, He had me doing a

794
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,239
bunch of stuff. I started producing best show all that,

795
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:50,039
and he's the reason why I actually got paid forty

796
00:37:50,119 --> 00:37:51,679
hours forty hours a week.

797
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 1: So he had a lot to do with that.

798
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,639
Speaker 2: And then I went into sales for him and I

799
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,920
sold which I sold good because I knew the state.

800
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,559
I didn't have to learn the product.

801
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: You do it inside. You knew the product, so it

802
00:38:03,079 --> 00:38:07,599
was easy to sell. Tell me about like the personal life,

803
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,280
how how is all this because now you're working for

804
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,760
free and you're doing all this stuff. What does that?

805
00:38:13,519 --> 00:38:16,159
How does that play out for you? Like in your

806
00:38:16,199 --> 00:38:19,679
personal life, you're you're almost like your social life becomes

807
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,280
the radio. It was my social life.

808
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 2: I mean what twenty something year old didn't want to

809
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,760
do that for six years, all the concerts I went to,

810
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,559
all the people I've met, stuff like that. Yeah, I mean,

811
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,039
and it was the nineties, one of the best decades ever.

812
00:38:31,159 --> 00:38:33,679
People disagree, but that was a great decade.

813
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: Yes, it was. Tell me about like, because I know

814
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,519
that there's uh, you have dealt with mental health things.

815
00:38:43,039 --> 00:38:45,559
So when when did all that come about? Was it

816
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:46,480
around that time?

817
00:38:46,559 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 2: It's always been there, It's always always been there. Had

818
00:38:49,519 --> 00:38:51,159
it's had to be I mean all of a sudden,

819
00:38:51,159 --> 00:38:53,599
it just didn't pop up one day. I think it

820
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:59,800
was always there. Yeah, So when I, uh, when it

821
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:05,199
was caught was after my my sleeve surgery, my weight

822
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:09,760
loss surgery. My that's when I went. I went totally manic.

823
00:39:10,639 --> 00:39:12,719
I lost one hundred pounds in like two months, which

824
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,320
is which is not a healthy thing.

825
00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: So what so what are you diagnosed with? I am

826
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:23,280
bipolar one or two? I believe one one? Yeah, yeah,

827
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,840
because bipolar one is you have to have at least

828
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,599
one manic episode in your lifetime, but it's got to

829
00:39:30,679 --> 00:39:33,880
last at least a week a week duration and it's

830
00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:37,800
usually like you know, irritable mood. That kind of thing

831
00:39:38,039 --> 00:39:38,320
I was.

832
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:43,519
Speaker 2: I was mine was happiness and increased energy, drinking recreased

833
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,840
because all of a sudden, I have all this weight

834
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,639
off me and I had all this energy you know,

835
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,079
and you know and I would and.

836
00:39:51,199 --> 00:39:53,039
Speaker 3: I did you have like risky behavior?

837
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 2: You should have seen my car. My car had every

838
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,360
dent and excite, smash into things all the time.

839
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: I shouldn't, no, but it is, it is what it is,

840
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,880
you know what I mean? Yeah? Because two bipolar two

841
00:40:06,039 --> 00:40:09,199
is more of a depressed mood most of the day. Uh,

842
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,679
it lasts to lasted two weeks, but like it's the

843
00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:14,960
I mean there's been there was depression too. I mean,

844
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:21,239
so you get this diagnosis, did you see an improvement

845
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,639
in your life? On what happens when you get it?

846
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,159
Let's start there the medicine. Yeah, I mean what would

847
00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:29,760
they who diagnoses you do, you know.

848
00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 2: I think my physician, my my physician did Okay, a

849
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:34,679
local doctor.

850
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, usually it's okay, and they send you to somebody.

851
00:40:38,599 --> 00:40:39,320
I had to go to.

852
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had to go to uh.

853
00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: I went.

854
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 2: I had the father son and the Holy Ghost. It

855
00:40:43,559 --> 00:40:47,800
was my doctor. It was it was the shrink, and

856
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,960
it was the counselor. You never saw the shrink. He

857
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:53,159
was the one that gave me the met right, Yeah.

858
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:54,400
Counselor was the one that.

859
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 3: The counselors is the one that will work with you

860
00:40:56,639 --> 00:40:57,480
and talk to you.

861
00:40:58,039 --> 00:40:59,199
Speaker 1: Did you do therapy?

862
00:41:02,519 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, not really, I mean a little bit.

863
00:41:05,159 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

864
00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 2: I didn't believe in any of that shit at the time, right,

865
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,320
So I went to the counselor and he pretty much

866
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,039
guided me on. And I was working at a time

867
00:41:14,119 --> 00:41:18,599
Warner at the time, okay, and that was that was

868
00:41:19,079 --> 00:41:20,840
just too much of a job for me, I think,

869
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,800
being in the condition I was in. No, you worked

870
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,400
in the master control room. I mean I was there

871
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,400
for twenty four hours when nine to eleven happened. That'll

872
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:30,800
fuck anybody's mind up, you know.

873
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,519
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she was there for twenty nine to eleven happens.

874
00:41:34,559 --> 00:41:36,519
You're at at the time. It's the time working.

875
00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:38,199
Speaker 2: It was our it was our news at the time,

876
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,199
or y and in and what it was. Yeah, we

877
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,679
stayed there a long time. We didn't go home. We

878
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,280
stayed there a long time because we were our news.

879
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:50,000
Went would be on tape from midnight to six a m.

880
00:41:50,519 --> 00:41:56,440
We stayed on live for the whole time. Really yeah, wow, Yeah,

881
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,599
that's a lot. And I made bad decisions and stuff

882
00:41:58,679 --> 00:42:00,480
like that. When you make bad decisions and it's like.

883
00:42:00,519 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: You give me, give me a bad decision that you made.

884
00:42:03,039 --> 00:42:05,880
I certainly made. I mean, look, you're talking to somebody, Jesus,

885
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,480
don't make a bad decision. God.

886
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:13,519
Speaker 2: I was so much drama. I started so much shit

887
00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:16,320
with people. I was just not a very I was

888
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:17,480
not a very good person.

889
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: I wasn't.

890
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 2: I was just like I had been everybody's business. And

891
00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:24,559
you know, I put people up against each other and stuff,

892
00:42:24,599 --> 00:42:28,400
you like, I did. Yeah something I hate now something

893
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,519
I have no power of No.

894
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 1: I agree. Yeah, but you always like soap operas and things.

895
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,239
It's almost like you brought that to your life sort of. Yeah,

896
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:37,559
I did.

897
00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:41,679
Speaker 2: And you know, I mean, I guess, you know, I

898
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,960
don't know. I just when I was a time where

899
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,360
I just don't think I was a very good person.

900
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:50,199
Speaker 1: That was time warning, yeah, yeah, and then, uh, how's

901
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:51,159
the meds worked for you?

902
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 2: They didn't really start working probably until I left Time.

903
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,320
I couldn't wait to leave Time Warner and I wouldn't

904
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,280
leave because I knew eventually they were going to lay

905
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,719
us off. And then, you know, and it took. It

906
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,719
took like I was there eighteen years.

907
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:07,039
Speaker 3: Eighteen years.

908
00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 2: I was there eighteen years. I didn't know you were yeah,

909
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,000
two thousand. Yeah. I got hired in ninety nine, okay,

910
00:43:12,559 --> 00:43:16,639
and it was my first time making actually real MONEYEP.

911
00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:19,360
So I went from the radio where I mean not

912
00:43:19,639 --> 00:43:21,519
hardly any money to this place where I was making

913
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:22,960
where I was actually making money.

914
00:43:23,079 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: I can't see, like I go, there's a little bit

915
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,400
of nuttiness in you and the fact that you would

916
00:43:27,519 --> 00:43:30,519
stay when there was no money. And that's a hard

917
00:43:30,639 --> 00:43:35,599
thing because it's a it's a pleasure and pain type thing. Right.

918
00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:37,199
I was under the wism bro.

919
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 2: I would have never gotten that job if I was

920
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,920
just some you know, if I was just some Joe

921
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,840
off the street. I was hired because I was part

922
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,760
of Weezy's show. I worked over at CBS Radio for

923
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,920
six years. Right, so that's why, that's why they hired me.

924
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:52,679
I would have never gotten that job other than that

925
00:43:53,039 --> 00:43:55,639
I was a job at time owner. Oh, you wouldn't

926
00:43:55,639 --> 00:43:58,039
have No, I was not qualified for that job at all.

927
00:43:58,679 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: And so.

928
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,679
Speaker 2: That was you had to have a degree to have

929
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:12,039
that job. Where did you graduate from the Institute.

930
00:44:11,559 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: Of Wis the Institute of Wise, School of Hard Knocks? Okay, well, so.

931
00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:20,159
Speaker 2: I went and did a job which was which was

932
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,840
way way way above above what you know, where I

933
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:24,440
should have been.

934
00:44:24,639 --> 00:44:29,039
Speaker 1: Yeah. So and during that time you become friends with

935
00:44:29,199 --> 00:44:31,840
some of the reporters, right, yeah, some Yeah, a lot

936
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:32,800
of some drama there.

937
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 2: Well that drama last that drama last Delaware, the Bathtub Billies.

938
00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:42,599
Speaker 3: So what makes you leave time Warner?

939
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,280
Speaker 2: I get it, I get it, we get the Spectrum

940
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,239
comes in and they get rid of our our department,

941
00:44:49,039 --> 00:44:54,760
and I'm like, and I like, fucking finally I get

942
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,079
three So Mary, eighteen years, I get three weeks pay

943
00:44:58,159 --> 00:44:58,679
for every year.

944
00:45:00,199 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: You get three weeks paid for every year.

945
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so eighteen times whatever eighteen times three is?

946
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 1: I can't yeah right now? So I mean you're you've

947
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,320
got twenty four. You got sixty four weeks?

948
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 3: Yes, is that right?

949
00:45:13,639 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, fifty four weeks, fifty four weeks.

950
00:45:16,159 --> 00:45:20,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, eighteen yeah, yeah, So are you checking it?

951
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,159
Speaker 1: Well, it's eight yeah, it's just eighteen times three. Right,

952
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:27,440
I'm pretty I'll check it right now because that fifty

953
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:34,960
four weeks, so fifty four weeks, which is roughly, well,

954
00:45:35,159 --> 00:45:37,480
it's like a year and a half, yeah, a little

955
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:38,960
over year, not a year and a half, but about

956
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:39,800
thirteen and a half months.

957
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 2: So I leave and this is and this is in May,

958
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,360
I think it was, and all of a sudden, summer

959
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,199
starting and I will I got one hundred thousand my

960
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:48,880
four oh one K.

961
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not going to work in the summer.

962
00:45:52,599 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 2: Didn't work. The summer, I traveled. I went to Nashville

963
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:56,320
first time.

964
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 1: This is when I'm at.

965
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 2: Matt went, I went to we All. We went to Cantcon.

966
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,719
It was my first time getting a passport and going

967
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,239
out of the country that wasn't Canada. So we went there,

968
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,039
and then I we went to can Coon. I flew

969
00:46:11,199 --> 00:46:13,639
from from cant Coon to home and got on a

970
00:46:13,679 --> 00:46:14,880
plane and went to Nashville.

971
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: And then.

972
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 2: I had applications out everywhere, And you know, I was interviewing,

973
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,960
like you know, ten eight stuff like that, and I

974
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,159
didn't want to go. I hated that fucking job. I

975
00:46:28,199 --> 00:46:29,400
hate everything about it.

976
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 1: I hated it.

977
00:46:31,559 --> 00:46:34,039
Speaker 3: So then that to billy thing comes up for it.

978
00:46:34,119 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 2: So that comes up for me, It comes up an opportunity.

979
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,639
Speaker 1: So let me just pause here for just a moment.

980
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:46,920
You seem to have a personality that you don't really care.

981
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,159
You're just gonna do whatever it feels right to you. Right,

982
00:46:51,639 --> 00:46:54,679
but a little manic Oh sure, that was a total Manning.

983
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,679
That was a total Manning deision. So all this stuff

984
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,920
at the time, are you on? Man?

985
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 2: I'm medicated, but I don't think it was. I was medicated, right, Okay.

986
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,639
I think it took a blonde time to be medicated, right, Okay.

987
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,639
Speaker 1: So you're still having do you think you had bipolar episodes?

988
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,039
Because we hear the term bipolar and it's thrown out

989
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:17,880
there a lot, and I don't think people really know

990
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,760
what it is. When someone's truly bipolar, it's it's a

991
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:22,679
it's a rough thing for them. And there could be

992
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,559
manic states that go on like you have. You know,

993
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,960
it's grandiosity some people and it's not always negative, and

994
00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:32,639
sometimes it's a happy person. But you know, and they're

995
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,039
buying you things, and they're everywhere, and and you know, you.

996
00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:38,559
Speaker 2: Know, I went from I'm out of a bad situation,

997
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,800
a time warner, Yeah, going where I can own a

998
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,280
bar that I that I went to my whole life. Yeah,

999
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,639
so I'm like, yeah, So I was gonna be a

1000
00:47:46,679 --> 00:47:48,599
sound partner. I was gonna go work at Channel ten,

1001
00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:51,920
and I didn't and I decided not to, so I

1002
00:47:52,559 --> 00:47:54,800
ended up so I became an employee. I was a

1003
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,519
silent partner, but I worked there so I couldn't bartend,

1004
00:47:58,559 --> 00:47:59,159
I couldn't cook.

1005
00:47:59,199 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: I was useless.

1006
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,039
Speaker 2: So Matt used to put me on the floor. Matt

1007
00:48:05,159 --> 00:48:08,679
will tell you this day. I was awesome working the floor,

1008
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:09,679
talking to people.

1009
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: I went by.

1010
00:48:12,039 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 2: I bar attended on one Friday with Connie.

1011
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,159
Speaker 1: But you didn't try to learn, Like nobody's good at

1012
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,440
anything the first time they do it, you know what

1013
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,599
I'm saying, Like it takes. I always say reps are

1014
00:48:23,639 --> 00:48:26,280
the greatest thing in life. It's all it is is,

1015
00:48:26,679 --> 00:48:28,559
Life is just reps. The better you get think about it.

1016
00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:30,079
The first time he drove, were you great at it?

1017
00:48:30,599 --> 00:48:30,639
Speaker 2: No?

1018
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: No, but now it's reps, right, you understand it. You

1019
00:48:34,119 --> 00:48:36,639
know how things are. You can start to see things

1020
00:48:36,679 --> 00:48:38,199
happening ahead of you. You're like, oh, I know what

1021
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,760
that is. That guy is going to cause an accident,

1022
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:42,599
or I need to slow down or you know what

1023
00:48:42,639 --> 00:48:46,159
I mean. You just it's reps like doing this right,

1024
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,760
it's reps talking and getting the rhythm down and how

1025
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,119
to talk to people. So but you had no desire

1026
00:48:53,159 --> 00:48:54,880
to go back or were they just like fuck this man.

1027
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:59,599
Speaker 2: This guy's pretty much was fucked that. A lot of

1028
00:48:59,639 --> 00:49:01,320
them work the flood and work the Florida and worked

1029
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,559
with the customers. I was really good with the customers. Yeah,

1030
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:05,800
you know, all of a sudden, someone would would be

1031
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,800
all pissed off. They'd come and get me, and I

1032
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,119
would take you know, I go over there and smooth

1033
00:49:10,159 --> 00:49:11,679
and normally I could smooth it out. You know, a

1034
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,559
couple of times you can't, but but normally I could.

1035
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:18,559
So Matt like that that he didn't have to worry

1036
00:49:18,599 --> 00:49:22,239
about the place, you know, when when he wasn't around,

1037
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,760
he knew that it was going to be taking care of,

1038
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,360
you know, with you know, customer relation, which that was

1039
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,159
what I was good at. That's what I've been always

1040
00:49:30,159 --> 00:49:36,400
good at. So I decided to get I decided to buy.

1041
00:49:36,639 --> 00:49:42,360
I said to leave, buy out in January twenty twenty.

1042
00:49:42,599 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: So they buy you out of b TV, right, you

1043
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,400
get all your that's a billy. That's a billy. Excuse me,

1044
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:51,920
you get all your money back? Yeah, a lot of

1045
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,760
it was some of it. It's going to be some

1046
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,320
of it. Yeah, I mean, i'd be you. I mean,

1047
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:57,599
I don't know works.

1048
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,559
Speaker 2: Yeah it was, Yeah it was.

1049
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,280
Speaker 1: But you know, I don't think it was a bad deal.

1050
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:03,320
You're still friends with these No.

1051
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 2: I mean it was a great No, there was no

1052
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:09,440
bad deal. And people try to say and it never was,

1053
00:50:09,519 --> 00:50:11,840
and I never once have ever said that. You never

1054
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,760
heard of fucking three years there. That was a great time.

1055
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,079
It's like being in was like being at CMF again,

1056
00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:19,559
if you were. And I used to love because I

1057
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:21,719
used to take care of the of the of the

1058
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:27,360
media sales. I would fuck with salespeople like because they

1059
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,159
didn't know. Sometimes they you know, they didn't know I

1060
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,039
knew more than them. The only time they gave us

1061
00:50:33,079 --> 00:50:37,840
some the schedule, I go take the schedule back and

1062
00:50:38,039 --> 00:50:40,679
and and and tell so and so to fucking fix

1063
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,719
it the right way or we're not paying Wow. I

1064
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,599
used to do that all the time. Okay, So Matt

1065
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,360
like that because you know I I understood the inside

1066
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:49,559
of that.

1067
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,280
Speaker 1: So so that worked.

1068
00:50:52,559 --> 00:50:56,519
Speaker 3: But what during that time though, you're do you think

1069
00:50:56,599 --> 00:50:57,760
that you're.

1070
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: I don't. I guess bipolar mania or whatever is affecting

1071
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,800
things for you. Are you doing I mean, because we

1072
00:51:07,039 --> 00:51:09,800
well you've you've and we won't go into this, but

1073
00:51:10,159 --> 00:51:12,920
you've opened up about things on the podcast in the

1074
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,960
past that would be more of an edgier, riskier behavior

1075
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,840
that's kind of out there, and I don't know if

1076
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:20,679
that's something that.

1077
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 2: Well, when you lose two young people two weeks from

1078
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:26,920
each other, yeah, it pretty.

1079
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,599
Speaker 1: Much fucks you up no matter what you does. Yeah,

1080
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,679
and so what was that that was.

1081
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 2: Blair passed away, which was January to Matt's wife, my

1082
00:51:39,119 --> 00:51:42,760
nephew passed away, and then ten days later Blair.

1083
00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:45,599
Speaker 1: Passed away, right, So and then I thought there was

1084
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,360
another one or two people in your life.

1085
00:51:48,159 --> 00:51:52,079
Speaker 2: That my mom died on October of the same year. Yeah,

1086
00:51:52,199 --> 00:51:53,239
this is twenty nineteen.

1087
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:54,519
Speaker 1: Well, who was the country singer?

1088
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:58,119
Speaker 2: Oh, she just she passed away. A couple of years ago. Yeah,

1089
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,400
but I mean, stay, it didn't affect me. Okay, all right,

1090
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,519
you know, but but that's a lot. Did you ever

1091
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:09,280
go seek help for that? No? I drank a lot.

1092
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: Okay, that's yeah. The self medication.

1093
00:52:11,559 --> 00:52:13,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I drank a lot. Yeah, and I got through that.

1094
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,360
We got that year in twenty nineteen is a blur?

1095
00:52:16,679 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: What happens when these things happened to.

1096
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 2: You?

1097
00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: Is there a whole fuck it? I'm gonna die anyway,

1098
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:27,840
so why not just have a shit ton of fun.

1099
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,199
I don't know, Well, I don't know if it was that.

1100
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 2: It was just I didn't know how to handle losing

1101
00:52:34,039 --> 00:52:37,280
my nephew who I was close to, and then losing

1102
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,199
you know, I only knew Blair for two or three years,

1103
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:41,760
but she was one of the most important people in

1104
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:42,239
my life.

1105
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 1: But someone who came in and was almost a daily party.

1106
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,199
Speaker 2: Right, a daily Yeah, you know, we were you know,

1107
00:52:49,559 --> 00:52:53,440
we were inseparable, us three. So it was like, I mean,

1108
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:54,840
all of a sudden, it was gone, you know what

1109
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,880
I mean, it was it was every It was totally

1110
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,199
it was a totally weird thing to see two young

1111
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:04,039
people passed away ten days away from each other. I mean,

1112
00:53:04,119 --> 00:53:07,199
Blair was at Greg's. We had a Greg's memorial. I

1113
00:53:07,519 --> 00:53:11,480
bet to Billy's and Blair Blair was there with you know,

1114
00:53:11,559 --> 00:53:13,280
with me, of course, and she said, this is how

1115
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:18,639
she wanted to do it. Wait, yeah, I know that's well.

1116
00:53:18,679 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 3: I mean you just would never think, you just never think.

1117
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 1: You just would never think how hard is that? It's

1118
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:28,880
still how hard is it? You're like your best buddy.

1119
00:53:29,519 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, that was the That was the worst part.

1120
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,559
You know, that was the worst part seeing Heaven't you know,

1121
00:53:37,119 --> 00:53:38,599
they just got married, so it was like.

1122
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 1: That was tough.

1123
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,039
Speaker 2: That's a tough thing. And I you know, I think

1124
00:53:43,079 --> 00:53:45,519
that's why I wanted to get out, get out of there.

1125
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 1: So it's not they've used the term sometimes it's we

1126
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:52,440
over use it maybe a little bit, I don't know.

1127
00:53:52,519 --> 00:53:55,039
But that's pretty traumatic, dude, right, that's pretty traumatic. So

1128
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,360
you think that's part of the reason you wanted to leave,

1129
00:53:57,519 --> 00:53:59,960
is like, yeah, that was me. That was the main reason.

1130
00:54:00,039 --> 00:54:02,639
Speaker 2: And then I honestly thought Matt was going to to

1131
00:54:03,519 --> 00:54:06,840
but he he built himself back up and he stayed

1132
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,039
and he pulled it out, you know what I mean,

1133
00:54:09,119 --> 00:54:12,119
he did he he you know, people talked to me

1134
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,800
when he said he was going to leave. People rallied

1135
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:19,519
around him this day, his you know, his employees front

1136
00:54:19,559 --> 00:54:20,199
and stuff like that.

1137
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:24,079
Speaker 1: So it's what he knows maybe best, and he loves.

1138
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's passion for him, and.

1139
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,639
Speaker 1: He built be a reminder every day.

1140
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 2: And that place was a shithole when he him and

1141
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,719
Mark took it over and they built it into what

1142
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:35,719
it was. So he wasn't ready to give it up.

1143
00:54:36,159 --> 00:54:41,239
But then twenty twenty hit. So I'm ready to go

1144
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:41,960
to Nashville.

1145
00:54:42,639 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 1: Yes, I still have. I actually saw ship down. I

1146
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:48,920
have hang on a second, because this to me was

1147
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,960
another like you could call it almost a manic episode,

1148
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,880
could you not? Didn't you get in a fight with

1149
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,079
somebody and then drive all night? Yes? Okay, I forget

1150
00:54:58,119 --> 00:55:03,400
that was that was before before batsabillies. I was still

1151
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:04,039
a time warner.

1152
00:55:04,119 --> 00:55:05,639
Speaker 3: Okay, but that that's a little whacked.

1153
00:55:05,639 --> 00:55:06,159
Speaker 1: Am I wrong?

1154
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,800
Speaker 2: No? I got I got in the car, and I'm

1155
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:12,159
not in people getting mad when I say this, but

1156
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,599
I'm truthful how it worked. I got a three pack

1157
00:55:15,639 --> 00:55:17,480
of cords, a light, and I drew to Nashville. I

1158
00:55:17,519 --> 00:55:19,159
didn't know where I was gonna go. You were all

1159
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,519
night long, all night long, just just drove. That's a manic,

1160
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:24,559
that's oh absolutely.

1161
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:28,639
Speaker 1: Oh I was man during that time. Yeah, and went there.

1162
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,199
Nobody sent the cops looking for you. No, I told

1163
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:32,079
my mom I was going.

1164
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 3: You told your mom you were going to Nashville.

1165
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I packed.

1166
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,079
Speaker 3: I You didn't know where you were staying. You didn't

1167
00:55:37,079 --> 00:55:37,159
know it.

1168
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 1: I know where I was staying. Okay.

1169
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,639
Speaker 2: I had a friend out there, she lived, she was

1170
00:55:40,679 --> 00:55:42,280
from here, and I worked with her.

1171
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: How many hours? Twelve?

1172
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, twelve, thirteen straight through. Yeah, stopped a couple of

1173
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,440
times to take you know, take pa. I was hung

1174
00:55:49,519 --> 00:55:50,760
over in Kentucky.

1175
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:52,159
Speaker 1: Town.

1176
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,159
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, not tired.

1177
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: No.

1178
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 2: I got there and I went to her house and

1179
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,800
it was this thing called the CMA Infest, last day

1180
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:03,719
of it. And I went to the stadium and that's

1181
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,800
where I saw Brad Paisley Keith Urban Air Church. So

1182
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:08,480
I went there, and the minute I got there, there

1183
00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:10,760
was something cool going on. Sure, the minute I went

1184
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,800
on Broadway, fucking most amazing thing I've ever seen in

1185
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,639
my life. This is back when it was Broadway. Now

1186
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:20,280
it's just a tour. Now it's just yeah corporate. So

1187
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:25,400
I decided that I was gonna move there. I had

1188
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,280
a place to live. I sent all my stuff out

1189
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,840
there in the storage and I was getting ready to go.

1190
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:34,960
I was gonna leave April first. COVID had there no jobs.

1191
00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:38,320
Nashville got hit hard. They they got hit hard with

1192
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:44,199
they had a terrorist attack, remember that when the when

1193
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,760
the car blew up, and so they were going through

1194
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:49,760
a lot of things and there was nothing there. So

1195
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,880
I stayed here, stayed here, stayed here.

1196
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:54,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.

1197
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:59,079
Speaker 3: I never my mother Okay, she guilted you?

1198
00:56:59,239 --> 00:56:59,679
Speaker 1: Oh fuck?

1199
00:56:59,760 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1200
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh yeah.

1201
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 3: What was her reasoning?

1202
00:57:04,039 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 1: Because I took care of her, okay, and she needed you. Yeah,

1203
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:08,679
it's your mom and.

1204
00:57:08,679 --> 00:57:11,039
Speaker 2: It's my mom. But she told me if I came back,

1205
00:57:11,119 --> 00:57:12,360
she promised she'd let me go back.

1206
00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:17,679
Speaker 1: That didn't work out, Okay, But then you send your

1207
00:57:17,679 --> 00:57:20,440
stuff to when was this the time you sent stuff

1208
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,199
down like you after I after I.

1209
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 2: Sold my share of bet to Billies. Okay, I sent

1210
00:57:25,039 --> 00:57:27,119
all my stuff down into a storage unit.

1211
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, again, with no place to no plan.

1212
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 2: I knew where I was. Yeah, I did have a plan.

1213
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,639
I knew where I was living. I knew the jobs

1214
00:57:35,679 --> 00:57:37,599
out there were is easy to get a job, So

1215
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,400
what was the reason for not going COVID.

1216
00:57:41,079 --> 00:57:43,639
Speaker 1: Oh, COVID. Okay, And did you ever get your stuff

1217
00:57:43,639 --> 00:57:44,199
back for storage?

1218
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 2: It's still there. You better start watching storage. What's what's

1219
00:57:49,519 --> 00:57:51,199
the difference if I if I bring it here and

1220
00:57:51,239 --> 00:57:52,440
putting storage or if it's there.

1221
00:57:52,599 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I get it. But but you're not still

1222
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:56,840
paying on it. Yeah, I still pay for it, you do.

1223
00:57:57,119 --> 00:57:59,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I can bring it back here and

1224
00:57:59,719 --> 00:58:01,159
put it in the storage, but I'm not going to

1225
00:58:01,239 --> 00:58:03,159
use any of the stuff, so just keep it there.

1226
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:05,599
I went and visited my stuff the three you know,

1227
00:58:05,639 --> 00:58:08,079
I went back three four different times, and I'd go

1228
00:58:08,119 --> 00:58:10,039
to the storage and see if there's anything I wanted.

1229
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:16,599
Speaker 1: So yeah, and and that sort of brings us up

1230
00:58:16,639 --> 00:58:19,000
to the present day with stuff.

1231
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,239
Speaker 2: Well, then I started working in a liquor store.

1232
00:58:22,519 --> 00:58:23,519
Speaker 1: Yes, right.

1233
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 2: My buddy owned the liquor store. He owned the Red

1234
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:30,679
Front which was which was a legendary diner and the

1235
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:34,280
Rochester Staple down in the Clinton Avenue area. And then

1236
00:58:36,079 --> 00:58:39,199
I started working the liquor store for him. And I'd

1237
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,880
work and I liked it. You know, it was different.

1238
00:58:43,079 --> 00:58:44,159
There was always action.

1239
00:58:44,039 --> 00:58:44,519
Speaker 1: All the time.

1240
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 2: And then I was wrong. No, then I started I

1241
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,320
was in the morning, I'd work. My brother was working

1242
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,440
at UH had a job I don't want to say

1243
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,440
where it was he was doing. You know, he had

1244
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:59,840
a job which is associated with my job now. And

1245
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,400
I started working there in the morning and I'd go

1246
00:59:02,599 --> 00:59:05,840
work at UH. It's a liquor store. Well, after I

1247
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:10,159
got robbed, I went full time. And that's what takes

1248
00:59:10,239 --> 00:59:11,480
me to where I'm at now.

1249
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 1: Right, But what and and.

1250
00:59:14,159 --> 00:59:16,239
Speaker 3: Seems to be a much better space for.

1251
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:20,119
Speaker 2: You, well know, Marianne in my life and encourage me

1252
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:24,000
to do this was huge, right, you know, I don't

1253
00:59:24,039 --> 00:59:25,480
know if I've ever would have done it, but it's

1254
00:59:25,519 --> 00:59:28,199
the greatest thing I've done. And I think that I

1255
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:33,000
you know, I think that my I think my calling

1256
00:59:33,159 --> 00:59:35,480
was being a teacher, and I didn't realize that. Sure,

1257
00:59:35,679 --> 00:59:37,559
I wanted to be in radio so bad. Yeah, who

1258
00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:39,840
doesn't want to be in a local radio in Rochester

1259
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:40,599
where you grew up?

1260
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, yeah, I might. I didn't grow up here,

1261
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:46,039
but yeah, I know, I know what you mean. I mean,

1262
00:59:46,079 --> 00:59:48,119
I was on a radio station in my hometown. Right,

1263
00:59:48,159 --> 00:59:48,760
It's kind of cool.

1264
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 2: And it was like I'm on the number one radio

1265
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:51,920
steacher with the number one Morning show.

1266
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:57,039
Speaker 1: So now like just out of curiosity because you've been

1267
00:59:57,119 --> 00:59:59,519
open about it. You know, you get diagnosed with the bipolar,

1268
00:59:59,639 --> 01:00:02,039
you you do do the sleeve, you lose a lot

1269
01:00:02,079 --> 01:00:05,599
of weight, You're you've been kind of around. You made

1270
01:00:05,639 --> 01:00:09,639
this for freak decision to just drive down to that,

1271
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:11,719
you know, Nashville. I mean, when you think about it,

1272
01:00:12,039 --> 01:00:14,880
the balls it took to just go confront people who

1273
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,079
you didn't even know about the stern stuff. To me,

1274
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:21,039
that is a little nutty, you know what I mean. So,

1275
01:00:21,639 --> 01:00:23,960
how has it been living with that? Can you tell

1276
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:25,800
when you're having I.

1277
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 2: Haven't had it since since since my last year a

1278
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:32,119
bett abilities.

1279
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, but when you when you were there, did you

1280
01:00:34,719 --> 01:00:36,960
could you recognize like, oh, I'm in a manic state

1281
01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:37,280
or no.

1282
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 2: Well, one time my insurance overlapped and I didn't have

1283
01:00:41,119 --> 01:00:43,519
meds and so what happened.

1284
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 1: It's like.

1285
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,079
Speaker 2: It's like if you if I stopped taking my meds,

1286
01:00:50,679 --> 01:00:55,760
It's like it looks like you're an addict. That's how

1287
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:57,760
you feel, you know, you know what I mean. And

1288
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,599
it's like when I went to Unity, they thought I

1289
01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:04,639
was coming down from something. They didn't believe at first.

1290
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:05,320
Speaker 1: It was mad.

1291
01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 2: It was my meds, so they had to look at

1292
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:12,079
They call my doctor and he said, yeah, it is insurance.

1293
01:01:12,159 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 1: You went cold turkey off this stuff, which couldn't be

1294
01:01:14,599 --> 01:01:15,599
very hard with withdrawal.

1295
01:01:16,079 --> 01:01:19,599
Speaker 2: Not too long though, because they ended up fixed and

1296
01:01:19,719 --> 01:01:23,000
ended up giving giving me pills to last till my

1297
01:01:23,519 --> 01:01:27,400
insurance went back, went back to where to where it was.

1298
01:01:27,559 --> 01:01:31,079
Speaker 1: And so, did you ever have an episode in your

1299
01:01:31,159 --> 01:01:34,519
life where you went, let's say, like you have a

1300
01:01:34,639 --> 01:01:38,360
manic episode. Right, everything's euphoric, you're high on the hog,

1301
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:42,000
you're buying ship, you're living life, you're running off to Nashville,

1302
01:01:42,039 --> 01:01:44,719
you're doing whatever you want, and then you come down

1303
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:50,280
and you go, oh, what the fuck did that happen?

1304
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:50,679
I don't know.

1305
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,679
Speaker 2: I guess I don't know. I guess I've always lived

1306
01:01:54,719 --> 01:01:58,679
at I've always done whatever I wanted to do. I

1307
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:02,960
never had any responsibility for anybody, the wife's or my mother,

1308
01:02:03,719 --> 01:02:09,639
so anything I did was just an experience. I don't regret.

1309
01:02:09,719 --> 01:02:10,880
I don't regrite anything I've done.

1310
01:02:11,519 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 1: Well, you shouldn't. I mean I always think like you

1311
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:15,320
never get it wrong, you just never get it done,

1312
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,239
and it's you're here to learn something. I don't know

1313
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:18,599
what it is.

1314
01:02:18,639 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 2: And I think that's why I'm good at the job

1315
01:02:20,519 --> 01:02:23,920
I'm at now is because of all learning experience and

1316
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:25,119
all the stuff I've done.

1317
01:02:25,199 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 1: You don't know a lot. Can you empathize more with

1318
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:32,280
a kid when you see things like you know, I

1319
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:35,920
always hate when I hear kids slap with certain labels

1320
01:02:36,039 --> 01:02:41,360
of diagnoses, because that shit could change. You know, you're growing,

1321
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:45,159
your body shifting and changing, and not everything is You're not.

1322
01:02:45,519 --> 01:02:53,000
You know a lot of times it's the diagnoses is

1323
01:02:53,119 --> 01:02:57,000
sort of a guess, right, more or less more of us?

1324
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,760
And so you go, all right, well, if this is working.

1325
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:02,440
I'm not saying that you couldn't try to help somebody

1326
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,079
and give them methods and things that would help. But

1327
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:06,679
does it make you more empathetic?

1328
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:09,199
Speaker 2: Makes you it makes you understand it better, and it

1329
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:12,639
makes you know the person better because you have been

1330
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:17,320
You've been in a situation like that before yourself.

1331
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:20,559
Speaker 1: How would people treat you when you were I don't

1332
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:24,159
you know. I guess that was the power of yer.

1333
01:03:24,239 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 2: So everybody liked hanging out with you and stuff like that.

1334
01:03:27,159 --> 01:03:28,960
And now when I did the bar, you know, of

1335
01:03:29,079 --> 01:03:31,360
course everybody loved me because you know, it was at

1336
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,440
the bar. Everybody wants to come and everybody's your friend.

1337
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 1: Then and.

1338
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I got to fight. I mean the

1339
01:03:40,079 --> 01:03:44,159
worst part was was my mother died. I lived in

1340
01:03:44,239 --> 01:03:48,239
the house until they sold it, and they sold it

1341
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:51,159
very quickly so i'd know where to live. Yeah, and

1342
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:54,800
this is in two thousand and nineteen, so I live,

1343
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:57,719
I live. I stayed at bat the Abilities at the

1344
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:02,039
Outphants a couple of days. Yeah, and then what and

1345
01:04:02,119 --> 01:04:04,760
then I couldn't go live with the brothers. No, I

1346
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:08,360
was fighting with all of them. And why my mother

1347
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:12,039
played us up all against each other? Okay, I thought

1348
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,480
there was I battled with my older brother of something

1349
01:04:15,519 --> 01:04:19,280
that's was never there. Yeah, and we figured that out

1350
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:21,320
once my mom died. We all get along great now.

1351
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:23,039
Speaker 1: But do you think part of that too would be

1352
01:04:23,199 --> 01:04:26,239
sort of your thing? Is like everything it hurts more,

1353
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:27,760
everything's bigger than it really is.

1354
01:04:29,239 --> 01:04:31,719
Speaker 2: I went and I went and lived with a friend

1355
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:33,559
of mine. Her and her husband took me in for

1356
01:04:33,639 --> 01:04:36,679
three months until I got where I'm at now. Fantastic, right,

1357
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:39,800
And that's where you grew home. That's where it all started,

1358
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:43,719
where I got shipped together. Yeah, that's what that's how

1359
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:44,079
it all was.

1360
01:04:44,199 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 1: Well, was it the click? Then? I think it was

1361
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:47,920
that all of a sudden, I didn't have my mother

1362
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:51,440
to rely on me and stuff. The protector's gone, right.

1363
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:53,239
Speaker 2: That's gone. I have to do things my own way,

1364
01:04:53,519 --> 01:04:56,159
you know, at age, you know, forty something I had.

1365
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:58,519
I had to be an adult and take care of myself.

1366
01:04:58,559 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, different, different. I think this has been

1367
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:06,639
a fascinating conversation, I really do. I hope that everybody

1368
01:05:06,679 --> 01:05:08,440
has enjoyed it as much as I did. It was

1369
01:05:08,719 --> 01:05:12,000
a fast hour. We talked for over an hour. Over

1370
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:13,960
an hour we did. Yeah, and I think that that

1371
01:05:15,199 --> 01:05:16,920
it was great and I appreciate you coming in.

1372
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 2: And it's funny because I have a resume. My resume,

1373
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:25,280
people think it's fake. What do you mean if you

1374
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:27,880
ever see my resume. Everything we've talked about is not.

1375
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:30,880
You know, everywhere I worked is on my resume. I

1376
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:35,079
worked Upontilo since nineteen eighty seven. I went in the radio,

1377
01:05:35,559 --> 01:05:37,679
I was there. I went to Time Warner for eighteen years.

1378
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:39,880
I owned you know, I owned at the Billies. I

1379
01:05:40,599 --> 01:05:41,719
worked at a liquor store.

1380
01:05:42,119 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 1: You know, I do what I do now.

1381
01:05:44,519 --> 01:05:46,239
Speaker 2: And it's like, you know, and everybody looks at it.

1382
01:05:46,239 --> 01:05:50,159
And someone told me, they go, you couldn't have done

1383
01:05:50,239 --> 01:05:53,320
all this, and I go, I go. Everything on it

1384
01:05:53,519 --> 01:05:57,239
is the truth. That's what I've done. I created myself

1385
01:05:57,320 --> 01:06:04,239
three or four different times. I recreate, recreate myself, and

1386
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:06,360
this right now is the best version.

1387
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:08,079
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1388
01:06:08,639 --> 01:06:13,679
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I feel great. I stay, I don't I don't

1389
01:06:13,719 --> 01:06:17,239
go out, and I hardly drink anymore. I stay out

1390
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:20,039
of people's business. Even at the job I'm at now.

1391
01:06:20,199 --> 01:06:22,280
I have friends there, but I'm not trying to be

1392
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:25,000
mister oh. You know, I want to you know, I

1393
01:06:25,079 --> 01:06:27,840
want everybody to like me. I don't give a ship anymore.

1394
01:06:28,519 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 1: So you know, I do what I do.

1395
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:32,679
Speaker 2: I go do my job, I do it well. So

1396
01:06:33,559 --> 01:06:35,039
this is the best, you know, This is where I

1397
01:06:35,159 --> 01:06:37,079
want to you know, I want to be. I don't

1398
01:06:37,119 --> 01:06:41,320
ever see it slipping. I think I think that. You know,

1399
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:44,760
after a while, you have to After a while, you

1400
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:46,760
have to find where you're at.

1401
01:06:47,199 --> 01:06:48,159
Speaker 1: And I did. I found it.

1402
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 2: It took me a long time, but I found where

1403
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:55,280
I should be and it's working. I mean, there's nothing better.

1404
01:06:55,119 --> 01:06:59,679
Speaker 1: Than any you've had, really people around you. I have,

1405
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:02,920
I really have, Like Matt's a really solid guy. Man

1406
01:07:03,159 --> 01:07:05,800
is very man's very very solid people into life.

1407
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,199
Speaker 2: That's a very dedicated person. And a lot of people

1408
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:11,639
from from Matt's you know, Matt's friends and stuff like that,

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you know, are still my friends. You know my friends

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still Yeah, And I got my brothers and I get

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along great with my brothers and stuff like that. And

1412
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it's like she's the She's the one. I give her

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ninety percent credit for what this is, you know what

1414
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I mean?

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Speaker 3: And I mean she well, you're the one doing it.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's what she always says. And she's right, but

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you got to realize that I understand that, But you

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did it. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember when I first started this job and

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I wanted to quit, yes, because and she wouldn't let

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me quit. And now where I now, these are people

1422
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:57,840
that I that respect me. Now I didn't, you know

1423
01:07:57,880 --> 01:07:59,840
what I mean, I had earned that, and I'm not

1424
01:08:00,119 --> 01:08:01,559
used to earning it. I used to already.

1425
01:08:01,559 --> 01:08:03,440
Speaker 1: I'm used to people already like, oh he's cool. I

1426
01:08:03,599 --> 01:08:04,639
like him. I earned it.

1427
01:08:04,639 --> 01:08:07,119
Speaker 2: People didn't give a ship that was Marcus Soldier. You

1428
01:08:07,159 --> 01:08:09,480
didn't give a ship I owned that to billies. You know,

1429
01:08:09,679 --> 01:08:12,400
it's a great thing right. Yeah, it was weird because

1430
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that becomes your identity, that's who you are. And you

1431
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,880
think that if I lose that, I lose me and

1432
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:21,079
that's not the case. No, it actually made me better

1433
01:08:21,119 --> 01:08:23,199
if it that's the past. Yeah, I mean I'm proud

1434
01:08:23,239 --> 01:08:25,279
of everything I've done. Yeah, I got to be I

1435
01:08:25,359 --> 01:08:29,520
got to be this character on this great show. It's legendary,

1436
01:08:30,159 --> 01:08:34,199
and I got to own a bar that a legendary

1437
01:08:34,279 --> 01:08:37,079
bar that was the first bar that the Sports Barn Rochester.

1438
01:08:38,079 --> 01:08:41,239
Speaker 1: I think it's fantastic. Congratulations on all of it because

1439
01:08:41,279 --> 01:08:44,239
it's it's been great. I have loved this conversation. I

1440
01:08:44,359 --> 01:08:48,359
really it's been fantastic. I gotta piss ba all right,

1441
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:52,720
I'm just kidding. No, I gotta go triggering all this

1442
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:55,399
coffee and stuff like that. I forgot we were even

1443
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:57,479
on the mic. Well yeah, you know.

1444
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:00,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a great conversation. That's that's what I love.

1445
01:09:01,119 --> 01:09:02,760
Speaker 1: These are some of my favorites. When we could do

1446
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:07,479
one on one for for the Soldier who I'm Bill Moran.

1447
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:09,720
We'll see you tomorrow. I'm turning a.

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Speaker 2: TV letter to you.

1449
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Speaker 1: A statement.

1450
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Speaker 2: See they were looking borrow a candle with Tennessee.

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