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True Murder with your 44 00:02:03.640 --> 00:02:20.199 host journalist and author Dan Zufanski, Good Evening Investigation Discoveries. 45 00:02:20.439 --> 00:02:26.919 Murder Chose Me featuring legendary Shreveport, Louisiana homicide detective Rod Demery, 46 00:02:27.159 --> 00:02:31.599 returns for its second season on Wednesday, April fourth, at 47 00:02:31.719 --> 00:02:36.360 ten p m. Ninth Central only on ID. The series 48 00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:39.360 follows Demory as a reflects on memorable cases from his 49 00:02:39.479 --> 00:02:44.000 fourteen years as a homicide detective, where he miraculously achieved 50 00:02:44.000 --> 00:02:47.199 a confession and one hundred percent solve rate in the 51 00:02:47.240 --> 00:02:49.520 more than two hundred and fifty homicide cases where he 52 00:02:49.599 --> 00:02:54.599 served as lead detective. Demory himself is no stranger to tragedy, 53 00:02:54.960 --> 00:02:57.960 having experienced an incredible loss at the age of three 54 00:02:58.199 --> 00:03:02.000 when his mother was murdered. Then, when Demery was in 55 00:03:02.039 --> 00:03:04.719 his twenties, his brother was convicted of murder and sentenced 56 00:03:04.759 --> 00:03:09.000 to life in prison, offering a uniquely personal connection to 57 00:03:09.039 --> 00:03:12.360 the story of each homicide he solved. Murder Chose Me 58 00:03:12.919 --> 00:03:15.680 takes viewers on a journey with Demri as he continues 59 00:03:15.719 --> 00:03:18.520 to be driven by his one mission in life to 60 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:22.120 find justice and resolution for the families of murder victims 61 00:03:22.680 --> 00:03:25.680 just like his own. In each of the ten all 62 00:03:25.759 --> 00:03:30.400 new episodes of Murder Chose Me, intimate first person storytelling 63 00:03:30.639 --> 00:03:35.639 meets the gritty Shreveport, Louisiana backdrop as Demery personifies how 64 00:03:35.879 --> 00:03:40.159 very impactful and life altering murder is on the victims 65 00:03:40.199 --> 00:03:45.080 loved ones. The program we are featuring to today is 66 00:03:45.199 --> 00:03:49.960 Murder Chose Me Investigation Discovery season two with my special 67 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:54.759 guest filmmaker and Detective Rod Demery. Welcome to the program 68 00:03:54.919 --> 00:03:58.319 and thank you very much for a Greenness interview. Detective 69 00:03:58.599 --> 00:04:01.759 Rod Demery to the program. 70 00:04:01.960 --> 00:04:03.960 Thank you, thanks for having me. 71 00:04:03.960 --> 00:04:08.639 Thank you, thank you very much. Incredible. I just viewed 72 00:04:08.719 --> 00:04:12.800 the opener that everyone was able to look at on 73 00:04:12.879 --> 00:04:18.639 April fourth, the second season the opener incredible. Let's get 74 00:04:18.720 --> 00:04:23.600 to a little bit of the background that that we 75 00:04:23.879 --> 00:04:26.759 just spoke a bit about. At the age of three, 76 00:04:26.839 --> 00:04:28.959 when your mother was murdered. Tell us a little bit 77 00:04:28.959 --> 00:04:33.600 more about your mother's murder and your brother being sentenced 78 00:04:33.639 --> 00:04:37.959 to life in prison, and really how this really shaped 79 00:04:38.399 --> 00:04:40.839 your career as a homicide detective. 80 00:04:42.439 --> 00:04:46.079 Well, I think my mother's murder and my brothers commit 81 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:49.199 the murder kind of gave me a balance that was 82 00:04:49.720 --> 00:04:52.839 pretty unique. The fact that I could relate to someone 83 00:04:52.879 --> 00:04:57.600 who experienced that in their lives a survivor or murder 84 00:04:57.680 --> 00:05:00.639 victim's family. I could actually feel they're going through the 85 00:05:00.800 --> 00:05:03.600 children that you know, they lost a parent. I knew 86 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:05.480 what they were going to experience as far as our 87 00:05:05.519 --> 00:05:09.040 brother's case, I could relate to some of the suspects 88 00:05:09.079 --> 00:05:12.120 because I knew exactly what it was like to have 89 00:05:12.160 --> 00:05:15.879 a brother and what he did. You know, I guess 90 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:18.319 I just learned to separate the crime from the criminal 91 00:05:18.680 --> 00:05:21.720 and realized that it's something they did and that's something 92 00:05:21.759 --> 00:05:24.680 they were. So I think it gave me a balance 93 00:05:24.720 --> 00:05:26.439 that I just don't think I would have gotten otherwise. 94 00:05:26.439 --> 00:05:32.199 That just the guys to buy and play. And I suppose, now. 95 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:35.959 This is the second season of Murder, chose me of 96 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:38.240 all the cases that you did in the fourteen years, 97 00:05:38.720 --> 00:05:43.959 just just curious what was the criteria used for separating 98 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:46.240 those stories and saying, these are the kinds of stories 99 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:49.680 that we're going to have in these seasons of murder? 100 00:05:49.759 --> 00:05:52.800 Chose me? What was the criteria for picking what case 101 00:05:52.839 --> 00:05:53.639 you would feature? 102 00:05:55.079 --> 00:05:57.199 You know, I don't know that there was a real 103 00:05:57.240 --> 00:05:59.720 formula there. You know, we talked about most of the 104 00:05:59.759 --> 00:06:02.920 case and a lot of them were memorable. I think 105 00:06:02.959 --> 00:06:05.879 the initial cases were the ones that were just probably 106 00:06:05.920 --> 00:06:08.959 the most forefront of my mind for whatever reason, you know, 107 00:06:09.000 --> 00:06:11.720 maybe the dynamics of the case or just the way 108 00:06:11.839 --> 00:06:14.800 I just remembered it. But I don't think we had 109 00:06:14.800 --> 00:06:17.160 a real systematic way of doing it. I think the 110 00:06:17.240 --> 00:06:19.040 idea was is that I wanted to get as. 111 00:06:18.879 --> 00:06:21.079 Many cases as possible, and I. 112 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:24.120 Think they wanted as many as possible. So I don't 113 00:06:24.160 --> 00:06:27.399 know that there was a real selection process other than that. 114 00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:38.360 Now, tell us how you come to what is the 115 00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:44.000 mix in this series? In this investigation Discovery series, it's 116 00:06:44.040 --> 00:06:48.680 a half hour episodes or part me one hour episodes, 117 00:06:49.279 --> 00:06:52.000 and so tell us really what it's a mix of 118 00:06:52.600 --> 00:06:57.000 dramatization and interviews. Tell us how what the viewers might 119 00:06:57.040 --> 00:06:59.199 look forward to in terms of the mix of the 120 00:06:59.240 --> 00:07:03.560 components in this series on Investigation Discovery. 121 00:07:04.480 --> 00:07:05.480 Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 122 00:07:05.519 --> 00:07:09.439 I host to narrate the show, so I tell the story, 123 00:07:09.560 --> 00:07:13.160 and as I go through the story, at certain points 124 00:07:13.199 --> 00:07:17.120 they go to the reenactments and there's an actor, John Neilson, 125 00:07:17.199 --> 00:07:20.639 who plays me, and they reenact certain parts of the crime. 126 00:07:21.319 --> 00:07:23.879 Then it cuts back to me or I'm telling the story. 127 00:07:24.199 --> 00:07:28.639 Some of the witnesses and you know, media and family 128 00:07:28.720 --> 00:07:30.079 members that were there during the time. 129 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:31.519 They're also interviewed. 130 00:07:31.839 --> 00:07:35.519 But it's a mix of my first person telling the 131 00:07:35.639 --> 00:07:41.800 story and a reenactment that's they give a visual view 132 00:07:41.839 --> 00:07:45.279 of what actually really happened, and it's pretty vivid. I 133 00:07:45.879 --> 00:07:50.560 think it's a pretty singless transition, and it works. It 134 00:07:50.639 --> 00:07:52.199 seems to have worked pretty well so far. 135 00:07:53.879 --> 00:07:56.879 Absolutely tell us a little bit before we get right 136 00:07:56.879 --> 00:08:00.920 into this story and the episode opener on April fourth 137 00:08:00.959 --> 00:08:03.879 that people will be able to see, tell us a 138 00:08:03.920 --> 00:08:09.160 little bit about Shreeport, Louisiana and especially the neighborhood that 139 00:08:09.319 --> 00:08:12.480 this crime is involved with. 140 00:08:14.040 --> 00:08:16.759 Yeah, report's a Southern city. It's a it's a pretty 141 00:08:16.759 --> 00:08:17.319 old city. 142 00:08:18.399 --> 00:08:23.040 There's a it's an old Southern town. 143 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:25.439 I guess it's probably the best way to describe it. 144 00:08:25.480 --> 00:08:29.519 That's grown into somewhat of a town with an urban area. 145 00:08:31.319 --> 00:08:38.120 The demographics or it's probably fifty four fifty six percent black, 146 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:43.480 and it's just one of those those cities that that 147 00:08:43.879 --> 00:08:48.440 at one point was in a serious decline. Obviously, crime 148 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:54.000 rises with that. But it's also a pretty small neighborhoods, 149 00:08:54.120 --> 00:08:55.919 you know, one of those small towns where everybody seems 150 00:08:55.960 --> 00:09:00.159 to know anybody. There's great hospitality, and it's it's to 151 00:09:00.519 --> 00:09:06.320 probably what most people consider a hometown, a Southern hometown. 152 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:08.159 Right. 153 00:09:10.080 --> 00:09:13.159 You also talk about we might as well get to 154 00:09:13.159 --> 00:09:17.399 this right now that there is something that is a 155 00:09:17.440 --> 00:09:22.240 situation with an industry that's in Shreeport and it affects 156 00:09:22.320 --> 00:09:24.759 this case somewhat, and we'll explain that. But tell us 157 00:09:24.799 --> 00:09:28.639 a little bit about what Treeport has as an industry 158 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:29.759 that not everyone does have. 159 00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:35.559 Yeah, it's we have a movie and television industry where 160 00:09:35.879 --> 00:09:38.120 you know, there there was a lot of film there 161 00:09:38.240 --> 00:09:41.200 pretty heavily at one point, especially during this particular case, 162 00:09:41.679 --> 00:09:45.480 and it brings you know, obviously some economic growth and 163 00:09:45.559 --> 00:09:48.879 some employment for the citizens there. You know, one of 164 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:53.159 our biggest challenges or issues or to just like most 165 00:09:53.639 --> 00:09:57.120 cities our size, was to try to gain that type 166 00:09:57.120 --> 00:10:00.399 of growth for our city and you hope for our people, 167 00:10:00.840 --> 00:10:03.799 you know when jobs starts to drive up. So I 168 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:07.639 think that was a god see. You know, there there 169 00:10:07.679 --> 00:10:09.879 was just so much being brought to the city at 170 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:12.519 the time when this case took place. So it's obviously 171 00:10:12.559 --> 00:10:15.320 important that we made sure everybody. 172 00:10:14.919 --> 00:10:15.919 That was their stay. 173 00:10:18.759 --> 00:10:22.559 Now and Murder shows me this first episode, you have 174 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:27.360 a woman out jogging and she comes to a spot 175 00:10:27.559 --> 00:10:31.679 and the car's doors are open. What does she see? 176 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:35.639 Tell us about this opening scene, And of course you 177 00:10:35.720 --> 00:10:38.679 were right there investigating this from beginning to end. So 178 00:10:38.720 --> 00:10:40.279 tell us about this scene. 179 00:10:41.039 --> 00:10:42.679 What does she say? 180 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:46.200 As she's jogging, she sees the car and the door 181 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:48.720 on the car is the jar, so obviously it grabs 182 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:51.320 her attention. She looks inside and there are two people 183 00:10:51.360 --> 00:10:54.279 in the front seat. They're shot, one person slumped over 184 00:10:54.320 --> 00:10:56.879 the other, and there's another person in the backseat who 185 00:10:56.879 --> 00:11:01.840 has been shot. And obviously it's a traumatic scene for her. So, yeah, 186 00:11:01.919 --> 00:11:03.519 three people that are shot in the car as she's 187 00:11:03.559 --> 00:11:07.879 just jogging by, and obviously she's distraught and runs and 188 00:11:07.879 --> 00:11:11.000 calls the police. You know, the show officers get there. 189 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:14.120 Once they get there, they call investigations. And I happen 190 00:11:14.200 --> 00:11:16.039 to be the on caoll detective at that time and 191 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:20.399 responded to the call and met with them her. 192 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:22.440 Then I'm clearly shaken up. 193 00:11:22.519 --> 00:11:25.720 But her initial site, or the first thing she saw 194 00:11:25.879 --> 00:11:28.960 was three people shot in the car. 195 00:11:29.840 --> 00:11:33.279 You have a really dramatic opening though, in terms of 196 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:35.600 the She sees two people slumped in the front seat 197 00:11:35.639 --> 00:11:37.519 covered in blood, and she looks at the back and 198 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:41.480 then someone from the back like comes alive, like out 199 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:44.559 of a horror movie. And this contributes to her running 200 00:11:44.559 --> 00:11:47.480 off and screaming. Doesn't it tell us who these streets 201 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:50.679 people are and the condition of the person in the 202 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:52.600 back seat that isn't quite dead. 203 00:11:53.759 --> 00:11:57.000 Okay, yeah, they were Actually one of them work for 204 00:11:57.080 --> 00:12:01.799 a caterer that service the movie industry, and the other 205 00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:04.399 two were friends. The one in the back seat had 206 00:12:04.440 --> 00:12:06.600 been shot as the ones in the front, but the 207 00:12:06.600 --> 00:12:10.000 ones in the front weren't moving, so it was pretty 208 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:11.080 still seen up front. 209 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:12.600 The person in the. 210 00:12:12.559 --> 00:12:16.519 Back had been shot, but as the door opener as 211 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:19.559 she peered inside of the car, the person in the 212 00:12:19.559 --> 00:12:22.440 back seat moved. And you know, it's pretty common for 213 00:12:22.519 --> 00:12:26.480 crime scenes where there has been, you know, numerous gun 214 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:30.960 shots and people that are shot. The rush at that 215 00:12:31.039 --> 00:12:35.919 point is that anybody that survived get him to the hospital. Clearly, 216 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:38.080 somebody that's running by her, jogging by the sees that, 217 00:12:38.440 --> 00:12:40.360 you know, they have no idea what to do. 218 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:41.200 So they call the police. 219 00:12:43.799 --> 00:12:47.320 Now you say, they take Troy Creighton to the hospital 220 00:12:47.960 --> 00:12:50.200 and he's in the condition that you can't question him 221 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:52.679 right away. But you process this scene and take a 222 00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:54.399 look at the scene. What is it? What are the 223 00:12:54.440 --> 00:12:59.759 conclusions that you and your partners, especially you, what conclusions 224 00:12:59.759 --> 00:13:01.559 do you make from that crime scene? 225 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:07.759 Well, immediately I knew that there had be another crime scene, 226 00:13:08.159 --> 00:13:11.399 and that's because there was an asset of shellcases. We 227 00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:13.879 had numerous gun shots into it. There were only two 228 00:13:13.879 --> 00:13:18.440 shellcases there. So either that person was shot somewhere else, 229 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:20.440 or that people were shot somewhere else, or. 230 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:21.679 Somebody cleaned up the crime scene. 231 00:13:21.720 --> 00:13:25.279 Either way, it was that it wasn't the original crime scene. 232 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:33.200 Now you talk about that this is not in the 233 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:37.159 best area of town where you find these shellcases, but 234 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:40.120 you say this is not the crime scene, per sae. 235 00:13:40.120 --> 00:13:45.639 You realize that right right from the get go. What 236 00:13:45.759 --> 00:13:49.519 do you find almost immediately as a result of this 237 00:13:49.600 --> 00:13:54.440 investigation or how it progresses very quickly about the possibility 238 00:13:54.559 --> 00:13:56.320 of where that original crime scene was. 239 00:13:58.120 --> 00:14:01.080 Well, the fact that there were no locations there, you know, 240 00:14:01.159 --> 00:14:03.480 that was the immediate question. But one of the patrol 241 00:14:03.519 --> 00:14:06.679 officers told us that there was a shots fired call 242 00:14:06.799 --> 00:14:07.279 that was. 243 00:14:07.279 --> 00:14:09.759 A couple of blocks away just prior to that. 244 00:14:09.799 --> 00:14:12.600 So, you know, the immediate thought, or the obvious thought, 245 00:14:12.679 --> 00:14:15.039 is that maybe that shooting took place there and they 246 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:19.200 were moved or transported to that area. And that was 247 00:14:19.759 --> 00:14:22.679 the key. The fact that you know there was within 248 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:24.320 a short period of time there was the shots fired 249 00:14:24.360 --> 00:14:27.200 call before that, and you know, here we are at 250 00:14:27.200 --> 00:14:31.039 this crime scene. Now that's missing some key evidence. So 251 00:14:31.480 --> 00:14:34.080 the immedia thought is to go back there and check 252 00:14:34.120 --> 00:14:37.480 out that call, and sure enough, that's where the shots 253 00:14:37.480 --> 00:14:38.360 actually originated. 254 00:14:41.039 --> 00:14:43.240 Now what do you find at this original crime scene 255 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:46.960 that leads you to other leads? 256 00:14:47.840 --> 00:14:52.120 Well, there was witness there the rest of the showcases, 257 00:14:52.600 --> 00:14:55.200 so you know, just at that point, it's just kind 258 00:14:55.200 --> 00:14:58.480 of marrying those two crime scenes together and bringing you know, 259 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:02.759 all that together and trying to piece the story together. 260 00:15:02.799 --> 00:15:09.279 From that point, there was an abandoned house in the area, 261 00:15:09.320 --> 00:15:12.120 and you decide to take a look in that house. 262 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:14.879 And what do you find in that house in terms 263 00:15:14.879 --> 00:15:18.039 of any kind of connection to this murder? 264 00:15:19.600 --> 00:15:20.120 Yeah, there was. 265 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:23.120 There was the person in the house, and that person 266 00:15:23.200 --> 00:15:25.240 had some blood on so our initial thought was that 267 00:15:25.279 --> 00:15:28.639 maybe they were involved in it and that would be 268 00:15:28.639 --> 00:15:32.480 a witness. So we brought that person in to see 269 00:15:32.480 --> 00:15:36.279 if we could get some more information out of him. 270 00:15:36.960 --> 00:15:39.919 You had actually also found a bloody shirt that was 271 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:43.639 discarded in that area as well, and so obviously you're 272 00:15:43.639 --> 00:15:46.240 going to send that for testing, weren't you. 273 00:15:47.200 --> 00:15:50.039 Yeah, yeah, it's you know, it was actually a trail 274 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:52.120 that led back to that that initial. 275 00:15:51.799 --> 00:15:56.159 Crime scene, and the shirt was clearly or looked at 276 00:15:56.240 --> 00:15:57.759 that point and thought that it was part of that. 277 00:15:57.840 --> 00:16:03.480 Crintstah, tell us what you find at this abandoned house, 278 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:05.519 and who do you find and what is the story? 279 00:16:05.679 --> 00:16:10.240 And tell us about this as in terms of a 280 00:16:10.279 --> 00:16:10.799 good lead. 281 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:18.240 Well, if you watch, if you watch from that. 282 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:20.600 Point on the on the on the show, it'll it'll 283 00:16:20.600 --> 00:16:24.120 show you how it develops in and how he and 284 00:16:24.120 --> 00:16:28.799 and all the other pieces come together, and the the 285 00:16:28.840 --> 00:16:32.279 actual episode kind of kind of weaves all the little 286 00:16:32.279 --> 00:16:33.039 pieces together. 287 00:16:33.720 --> 00:16:35.200 I don't really want to give give. 288 00:16:35.080 --> 00:16:38.720 Anything away or spoil anything, but all the the the 289 00:16:38.799 --> 00:16:42.840 elements that that come through, you can see how it 290 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:47.279 goes from the initial call to the detectives coming out 291 00:16:47.360 --> 00:16:50.960 in our investigation, and it just kind of progresses through 292 00:16:51.000 --> 00:16:51.399 that way. 293 00:16:53.519 --> 00:16:56.039 I think the biggest parts of the this. 294 00:16:55.919 --> 00:17:00.519 Particular case, where the you know, the interrogation and the 295 00:17:00.559 --> 00:17:04.160 people that came this is that we're developed and it 296 00:17:04.279 --> 00:17:07.799 just kind of seamlessly works together. 297 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:08.119 You know. 298 00:17:08.200 --> 00:17:10.200 Of course at the time it doesn't seem like it's 299 00:17:10.200 --> 00:17:13.119 going to work out that way, but the way we 300 00:17:13.240 --> 00:17:15.160 present it, and I don't want to give away too much, 301 00:17:15.160 --> 00:17:17.400 but the way we present it it kind of brings 302 00:17:17.440 --> 00:17:21.799 everything together and kind of shows how those cases. 303 00:17:21.519 --> 00:17:28.079 Work well in not giving anything away, you do get 304 00:17:28.119 --> 00:17:30.839 to see in this which again we talked about the 305 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:34.839 mix of things and redramatization, but the very important stuff, 306 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:39.680 especially for a nonfiction audience and especially this the nonfiction 307 00:17:39.799 --> 00:17:45.200 elements completely and really important. The interviews that you have. Obviously, 308 00:17:45.240 --> 00:17:50.119 you have the man that's killed in the front seat. 309 00:17:51.160 --> 00:17:53.200 You have to go and give that kind of that 310 00:17:53.319 --> 00:17:57.400 kind of information about this death to her. You actually 311 00:17:57.480 --> 00:18:00.319 have interviews with her, and then you have a redramatizedation 312 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:07.160 in yeah, yeah, doing this, but me in doing this 313 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:11.480 you have all of the important players in this and 314 00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:16.160 in very important interviews as well, and then re dramatizations, uh, 315 00:18:16.359 --> 00:18:23.759 to round this out in telling this story here, What 316 00:18:23.920 --> 00:18:27.519 is it that you think is most represented in this 317 00:18:27.599 --> 00:18:31.400 story when you say the separate things come together and 318 00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:35.000 you show how those elements intertwine in one lead, which 319 00:18:35.039 --> 00:18:40.960 doesn't seem so promising, leads to another solid lead. What 320 00:18:41.119 --> 00:18:45.720 is really in this episode? I guess maybe the underlying 321 00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:47.920 thing that people could take away from it. 322 00:18:50.480 --> 00:18:51.000 I think. 323 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:55.240 I think what people can or what they're probably going 324 00:18:55.279 --> 00:18:57.240 to take away from it is you know how that works, 325 00:18:57.279 --> 00:19:00.640 you know, how you get there and you you're excited 326 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:03.000 about one lead and then that kind of fizzles, and 327 00:19:03.079 --> 00:19:06.000 then you know you're maybe not so excited about another one, 328 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:09.119 and that one kind of you know, you know, materializes 329 00:19:09.759 --> 00:19:13.559 all the elements that it takes to solve a murder. 330 00:19:13.599 --> 00:19:16.279 I think, you know, from just talking to witnesses and 331 00:19:16.640 --> 00:19:21.000 people in the community, and I think probably the statements 332 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:28.519 from the victim's friends and obviously the interrogations. You know, 333 00:19:28.799 --> 00:19:31.640 all these are are brought back in the mix that 334 00:19:31.720 --> 00:19:35.200 you talked about is you know, I'll talk on camera 335 00:19:35.200 --> 00:19:37.640 about how, you know, I brought this person in and 336 00:19:37.640 --> 00:19:40.880 I interviewed him, and then we'll switch to a scene 337 00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:46.240 where they actually play the actual interrogation tape, and then 338 00:19:46.519 --> 00:19:48.200 you know, we'll switch back and I'll say, you know, 339 00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:53.119 this person said this, and we'll cut to a scene 340 00:19:53.119 --> 00:19:57.400 where the person is you know, acting that out, and 341 00:19:57.440 --> 00:20:00.279 it just kind of kind of flows together. And I 342 00:20:00.279 --> 00:20:04.240 think probably the takeaway would be, you know, when someone 343 00:20:04.359 --> 00:20:09.000 watches the show, they'll see how it unfolds from start 344 00:20:09.039 --> 00:20:13.839 to finish, and the actual drama and the and the 345 00:20:13.880 --> 00:20:18.640 emotions involved are pretty well represented, so I think, and 346 00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:20.799 as you like, like you mentioned about that opening scene, 347 00:20:21.119 --> 00:20:24.279 you know, all those things that typically aren't available, you know, 348 00:20:24.319 --> 00:20:26.279 if you're if you're watching the news or something and 349 00:20:26.359 --> 00:20:28.519 you hear about a case. I think in this what 350 00:20:28.720 --> 00:20:31.599 with the show, you can actually go step by step 351 00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:33.799 and just you know, kind of follow the case from 352 00:20:34.200 --> 00:20:35.480 from my eyes. 353 00:20:35.559 --> 00:20:37.279 I guess it's probably the best way to put. 354 00:20:37.119 --> 00:20:42.119 It without giving anything away. I think we can still 355 00:20:42.119 --> 00:20:46.440 talk about this story for people to have a really 356 00:20:47.279 --> 00:20:50.559 interest in in this season two and to take a 357 00:20:50.559 --> 00:20:55.240 look at this. When you talk about your police work, 358 00:20:55.640 --> 00:21:00.200 it's evident in this story that you do not have 359 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:02.799 employ any kind of tunnel vision or jump to any 360 00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:07.440 kind of conclusions. And because if you were to jump 361 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:12.880 to some conclusions, you would number one, interview witnesses differently 362 00:21:13.480 --> 00:21:16.839 and assume different things. And like I said, with a 363 00:21:16.880 --> 00:21:19.799 tunnel vision, you might go down a route that really 364 00:21:20.359 --> 00:21:23.400 doesn't lead to a resolution like it does in this case. 365 00:21:23.880 --> 00:21:26.200 And you talk about this bottoms the bottom, So tell 366 00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:28.440 us a little bit bit about the bottoms and what 367 00:21:28.480 --> 00:21:32.400 it's known for and at least initially what police might 368 00:21:32.440 --> 00:21:35.400 have thought was in terms of motive, because you didn't 369 00:21:35.480 --> 00:21:38.680 have any motive for this murder, did you? 370 00:21:38.720 --> 00:21:38.960 No? 371 00:21:38.960 --> 00:21:41.000 No, Actually, you know what that's that's that's a pretty 372 00:21:41.000 --> 00:21:44.119 good observation, you know, I don't, you know, And I 373 00:21:44.119 --> 00:21:48.079 think that's probably the most successful way to work any case. 374 00:21:48.559 --> 00:21:51.240 And you know, the Bottoms has a reputation for being 375 00:21:51.279 --> 00:21:54.880 a you know, a red light district, and the immediate 376 00:21:54.920 --> 00:21:56.680 thought from people is that, you know, when they when 377 00:21:56.680 --> 00:21:59.519 they see an unexplainable crime is you know, maybe. 378 00:21:59.279 --> 00:22:01.039 It drugs, it's this, maybe it's that. 379 00:22:01.400 --> 00:22:04.599 And you're absolutely right that when you go in and 380 00:22:04.799 --> 00:22:07.559 if you have a mindset like that, you know, just 381 00:22:07.640 --> 00:22:10.160 kind of you know, chalking things up to the you know, 382 00:22:10.359 --> 00:22:12.440 where they are or who they are, then you're going 383 00:22:12.519 --> 00:22:13.960 to lose a lot. You're going to miss a lot. 384 00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:17.079 And you know, that's that's an unfortunate thing. That an 385 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:21.240 unfortunate thing that happens often, you know, you know, I mean, 386 00:22:21.279 --> 00:22:25.160 I thank God that I didn't have that type of attitude, 387 00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:28.759 and probably because of my life experiences and the things 388 00:22:28.759 --> 00:22:31.920 that I've seen, you know, I didn't have the ability 389 00:22:32.000 --> 00:22:34.079 to do that. But you know, that's that's a pretty 390 00:22:34.119 --> 00:22:37.160 good observation because not many people that have actually picked 391 00:22:37.240 --> 00:22:37.640 up on that. 392 00:22:37.680 --> 00:22:40.720 But the reality is is that you know, some. 393 00:22:41.079 --> 00:22:45.200 Crimes are unsolved before they're even started because of a 394 00:22:45.240 --> 00:22:49.519 preconceived notion about an area or a person or people 395 00:22:49.559 --> 00:22:50.400 involved in the crimes. 396 00:22:52.599 --> 00:22:59.119 Right now you talk about this. It's interesting too because 397 00:22:59.119 --> 00:23:01.599 what we talk about is that, again, no tunnel vision 398 00:23:01.640 --> 00:23:03.480 employed here, and you have to have that kind of 399 00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:07.519 technique to be as successful, especially as incredibly successful as 400 00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:10.400 you has been. But also the way you unfold this 401 00:23:10.599 --> 00:23:15.400