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Speaker 5: Murder Chose Me featuring legendary Shreveport, Louisiana homicide detective Rod Demery,
Speaker 5: returns for its second season on Wednesday, April fourth, at
Speaker 5: ten p m. Ninth Central only on ID. The series
Speaker 5: follows Demory as a reflects on memorable cases from his
Speaker 5: fourteen years as a homicide detective, where he miraculously achieved
Speaker 5: a confession and one hundred percent solve rate in the
Speaker 5: more than two hundred and fifty homicide cases where he
Speaker 5: served as lead detective. Demory himself is no stranger to tragedy,
Speaker 5: having experienced an incredible loss at the age of three
Speaker 5: when his mother was murdered. Then, when Demery was in
Speaker 5: his twenties, his brother was convicted of murder and sentenced
Speaker 5: to life in prison, offering a uniquely personal connection to
Speaker 5: the story of each homicide he solved. Murder Chose Me
Speaker 5: takes viewers on a journey with Demri as he continues
Speaker 5: to be driven by his one mission in life to
Speaker 5: find justice and resolution for the families of murder victims
Speaker 5: just like his own. In each of the ten all
Speaker 5: new episodes of Murder Chose Me, intimate first person storytelling
Speaker 5: meets the gritty Shreveport, Louisiana backdrop as Demery personifies how
Speaker 5: very impactful and life altering murder is on the victims
Speaker 5: loved ones. The program we are featuring to today is
Speaker 5: Murder Chose Me Investigation Discovery season two with my special
Speaker 5: guest filmmaker and Detective Rod Demery. Welcome to the program
Speaker 5: and thank you very much for a Greenness interview. Detective
Speaker 5: Rod Demery to the program.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thanks for having me.
Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you very much. Incredible. I just viewed
Speaker 4: the opener that everyone was able to look at on
Speaker 4: April fourth, the second season the opener incredible. Let's get
Speaker 4: to a little bit of the background that that we
Speaker 4: just spoke a bit about. At the age of three,
Speaker 4: when your mother was murdered. Tell us a little bit
Speaker 4: more about your mother's murder and your brother being sentenced
Speaker 4: to life in prison, and really how this really shaped
Speaker 4: your career as a homicide detective.
Speaker 7: Well, I think my mother's murder and my brothers commit
Speaker 7: the murder kind of gave me a balance that was
Speaker 7: pretty unique. The fact that I could relate to someone
Speaker 7: who experienced that in their lives a survivor or murder
Speaker 7: victim's family. I could actually feel they're going through the
Speaker 7: children that you know, they lost a parent. I knew
Speaker 7: what they were going to experience as far as our
Speaker 7: brother's case, I could relate to some of the suspects
Speaker 7: because I knew exactly what it was like to have
Speaker 7: a brother and what he did. You know, I guess
Speaker 7: I just learned to separate the crime from the criminal
Speaker 7: and realized that it's something they did and that's something
Speaker 7: they were. So I think it gave me a balance
Speaker 7: that I just don't think I would have gotten otherwise.
Speaker 3: That just the guys to buy and play. And I suppose, now.
Speaker 4: This is the second season of Murder, chose me of
Speaker 4: all the cases that you did in the fourteen years,
Speaker 4: just just curious what was the criteria used for separating
Speaker 4: those stories and saying, these are the kinds of stories
Speaker 4: that we're going to have in these seasons of murder?
Speaker 4: Chose me? What was the criteria for picking what case
Speaker 4: you would feature?
Speaker 7: You know, I don't know that there was a real
Speaker 7: formula there. You know, we talked about most of the
Speaker 7: case and a lot of them were memorable. I think
Speaker 7: the initial cases were the ones that were just probably
Speaker 7: the most forefront of my mind for whatever reason, you know,
Speaker 7: maybe the dynamics of the case or just the way
Speaker 7: I just remembered it. But I don't think we had
Speaker 7: a real systematic way of doing it. I think the
Speaker 7: idea was is that I wanted to get as.
Speaker 3: Many cases as possible, and I.
Speaker 7: Think they wanted as many as possible. So I don't
Speaker 7: know that there was a real selection process other than that.
Speaker 4: Now, tell us how you come to what is the
Speaker 4: mix in this series? In this investigation Discovery series, it's
Speaker 4: a half hour episodes or part me one hour episodes,
Speaker 4: and so tell us really what it's a mix of
Speaker 4: dramatization and interviews. Tell us how what the viewers might
Speaker 4: look forward to in terms of the mix of the
Speaker 4: components in this series on Investigation Discovery.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 7: I host to narrate the show, so I tell the story,
Speaker 7: and as I go through the story, at certain points
Speaker 7: they go to the reenactments and there's an actor, John Neilson,
Speaker 7: who plays me, and they reenact certain parts of the crime.
Speaker 7: Then it cuts back to me or I'm telling the story.
Speaker 7: Some of the witnesses and you know, media and family
Speaker 7: members that were there during the time.
Speaker 3: They're also interviewed.
Speaker 7: But it's a mix of my first person telling the
Speaker 7: story and a reenactment that's they give a visual view
Speaker 7: of what actually really happened, and it's pretty vivid. I
Speaker 7: think it's a pretty singless transition, and it works. It
Speaker 7: seems to have worked pretty well so far.
Speaker 4: Absolutely tell us a little bit before we get right
Speaker 4: into this story and the episode opener on April fourth
Speaker 4: that people will be able to see, tell us a
Speaker 4: little bit about Shreeport, Louisiana and especially the neighborhood that
Speaker 4: this crime is involved with.
Speaker 7: Yeah, report's a Southern city. It's a it's a pretty
Speaker 7: old city.
Speaker 3: There's a it's an old Southern town.
Speaker 7: I guess it's probably the best way to describe it.
Speaker 7: That's grown into somewhat of a town with an urban area.
Speaker 7: The demographics or it's probably fifty four fifty six percent black,
Speaker 7: and it's just one of those those cities that that
Speaker 7: at one point was in a serious decline. Obviously, crime
Speaker 7: rises with that. But it's also a pretty small neighborhoods,
Speaker 7: you know, one of those small towns where everybody seems
Speaker 7: to know anybody. There's great hospitality, and it's it's to
Speaker 7: probably what most people consider a hometown, a Southern hometown.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: You also talk about we might as well get to
Speaker 4: this right now that there is something that is a
Speaker 4: situation with an industry that's in Shreeport and it affects
Speaker 4: this case somewhat, and we'll explain that. But tell us
Speaker 4: a little bit about what Treeport has as an industry
Speaker 4: that not everyone does have.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's we have a movie and television industry where
Speaker 7: you know, there there was a lot of film there
Speaker 7: pretty heavily at one point, especially during this particular case,
Speaker 7: and it brings you know, obviously some economic growth and
Speaker 7: some employment for the citizens there. You know, one of
Speaker 7: our biggest challenges or issues or to just like most
Speaker 7: cities our size, was to try to gain that type
Speaker 7: of growth for our city and you hope for our people,
Speaker 7: you know when jobs starts to drive up. So I
Speaker 7: think that was a god see. You know, there there
Speaker 7: was just so much being brought to the city at
Speaker 7: the time when this case took place. So it's obviously
Speaker 7: important that we made sure everybody.
Speaker 3: That was their stay.
Speaker 4: Now and Murder shows me this first episode, you have
Speaker 4: a woman out jogging and she comes to a spot
Speaker 4: and the car's doors are open. What does she see?
Speaker 4: Tell us about this opening scene, And of course you
Speaker 4: were right there investigating this from beginning to end. So
Speaker 4: tell us about this scene.
Speaker 3: What does she say?
Speaker 7: As she's jogging, she sees the car and the door
Speaker 7: on the car is the jar, so obviously it grabs
Speaker 7: her attention. She looks inside and there are two people
Speaker 7: in the front seat. They're shot, one person slumped over
Speaker 7: the other, and there's another person in the backseat who
Speaker 7: has been shot. And obviously it's a traumatic scene for her. So, yeah,
Speaker 7: three people that are shot in the car as she's
Speaker 7: just jogging by, and obviously she's distraught and runs and
Speaker 7: calls the police. You know, the show officers get there.
Speaker 7: Once they get there, they call investigations. And I happen
Speaker 7: to be the on caoll detective at that time and
Speaker 7: responded to the call and met with them her.
Speaker 3: Then I'm clearly shaken up.
Speaker 7: But her initial site, or the first thing she saw
Speaker 7: was three people shot in the car.
Speaker 4: You have a really dramatic opening though, in terms of
Speaker 4: the She sees two people slumped in the front seat
Speaker 4: covered in blood, and she looks at the back and
Speaker 4: then someone from the back like comes alive, like out
Speaker 4: of a horror movie. And this contributes to her running
Speaker 4: off and screaming. Doesn't it tell us who these streets
Speaker 4: people are and the condition of the person in the
Speaker 4: back seat that isn't quite dead.
Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, they were Actually one of them work for
Speaker 7: a caterer that service the movie industry, and the other
Speaker 7: two were friends. The one in the back seat had
Speaker 7: been shot as the ones in the front, but the
Speaker 7: ones in the front weren't moving, so it was pretty
Speaker 7: still seen up front.
Speaker 3: The person in the.
Speaker 7: Back had been shot, but as the door opener as
Speaker 7: she peered inside of the car, the person in the
Speaker 7: back seat moved. And you know, it's pretty common for
Speaker 7: crime scenes where there has been, you know, numerous gun
Speaker 7: shots and people that are shot. The rush at that
Speaker 7: point is that anybody that survived get him to the hospital. Clearly,
Speaker 7: somebody that's running by her, jogging by the sees that,
Speaker 7: you know, they have no idea what to do.
Speaker 3: So they call the police.
Speaker 4: Now you say, they take Troy Creighton to the hospital
Speaker 4: and he's in the condition that you can't question him
Speaker 4: right away. But you process this scene and take a
Speaker 4: look at the scene. What is it? What are the
Speaker 4: conclusions that you and your partners, especially you, what conclusions
Speaker 4: do you make from that crime scene?
Speaker 7: Well, immediately I knew that there had be another crime scene,
Speaker 7: and that's because there was an asset of shellcases. We
Speaker 7: had numerous gun shots into it. There were only two
Speaker 7: shellcases there. So either that person was shot somewhere else,
Speaker 7: or that people were shot somewhere else, or.
Speaker 3: Somebody cleaned up the crime scene.
Speaker 7: Either way, it was that it wasn't the original crime scene.
Speaker 4: Now you talk about that this is not in the
Speaker 4: best area of town where you find these shellcases, but
Speaker 4: you say this is not the crime scene, per sae.
Speaker 4: You realize that right right from the get go. What
Speaker 4: do you find almost immediately as a result of this
Speaker 4: investigation or how it progresses very quickly about the possibility
Speaker 4: of where that original crime scene was.
Speaker 7: Well, the fact that there were no locations there, you know,
Speaker 7: that was the immediate question. But one of the patrol
Speaker 7: officers told us that there was a shots fired call
Speaker 7: that was.
Speaker 3: A couple of blocks away just prior to that.
Speaker 7: So, you know, the immediate thought, or the obvious thought,
Speaker 7: is that maybe that shooting took place there and they
Speaker 7: were moved or transported to that area. And that was
Speaker 7: the key. The fact that you know there was within
Speaker 7: a short period of time there was the shots fired
Speaker 7: call before that, and you know, here we are at
Speaker 7: this crime scene. Now that's missing some key evidence. So
Speaker 7: the immedia thought is to go back there and check
Speaker 7: out that call, and sure enough, that's where the shots
Speaker 7: actually originated.
Speaker 4: Now what do you find at this original crime scene
Speaker 4: that leads you to other leads?
Speaker 7: Well, there was witness there the rest of the showcases,
Speaker 7: so you know, just at that point, it's just kind
Speaker 7: of marrying those two crime scenes together and bringing you know,
Speaker 7: all that together and trying to piece the story together.
Speaker 4: From that point, there was an abandoned house in the area,
Speaker 4: and you decide to take a look in that house.
Speaker 4: And what do you find in that house in terms
Speaker 4: of any kind of connection to this murder?
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was.
Speaker 7: There was the person in the house, and that person
Speaker 7: had some blood on so our initial thought was that
Speaker 7: maybe they were involved in it and that would be
Speaker 7: a witness. So we brought that person in to see
Speaker 7: if we could get some more information out of him.
Speaker 4: You had actually also found a bloody shirt that was
Speaker 4: discarded in that area as well, and so obviously you're
Speaker 4: going to send that for testing, weren't you.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it's you know, it was actually a trail
Speaker 7: that led back to that that initial.
Speaker 3: Crime scene, and the shirt was clearly or looked at
Speaker 3: that point and thought that it was part of that.
Speaker 4: Crintstah, tell us what you find at this abandoned house,
Speaker 4: and who do you find and what is the story?
Speaker 4: And tell us about this as in terms of a
Speaker 4: good lead.
Speaker 3: Well, if you watch, if you watch from that.
Speaker 7: Point on the on the on the show, it'll it'll
Speaker 7: show you how it develops in and how he and
Speaker 7: and all the other pieces come together, and the the
Speaker 7: actual episode kind of kind of weaves all the little
Speaker 7: pieces together.
Speaker 3: I don't really want to give give.
Speaker 7: Anything away or spoil anything, but all the the the
Speaker 7: elements that that come through, you can see how it
Speaker 7: goes from the initial call to the detectives coming out
Speaker 7: in our investigation, and it just kind of progresses through
Speaker 7: that way.
Speaker 3: I think the biggest parts of the this.
Speaker 7: Particular case, where the you know, the interrogation and the
Speaker 7: people that came this is that we're developed and it
Speaker 7: just kind of seamlessly works together.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 7: Of course at the time it doesn't seem like it's
Speaker 7: going to work out that way, but the way we
Speaker 7: present it, and I don't want to give away too much,
Speaker 7: but the way we present it it kind of brings
Speaker 7: everything together and kind of shows how those cases.
Speaker 4: Work well in not giving anything away, you do get
Speaker 4: to see in this which again we talked about the
Speaker 4: mix of things and redramatization, but the very important stuff,
Speaker 4: especially for a nonfiction audience and especially this the nonfiction
Speaker 4: elements completely and really important. The interviews that you have. Obviously,
Speaker 4: you have the man that's killed in the front seat.
Speaker 4: You have to go and give that kind of that
Speaker 4: kind of information about this death to her. You actually
Speaker 4: have interviews with her, and then you have a redramatizedation
Speaker 4: in yeah, yeah, doing this, but me in doing this
Speaker 4: you have all of the important players in this and
Speaker 4: in very important interviews as well, and then re dramatizations, uh,
Speaker 4: to round this out in telling this story here, What
Speaker 4: is it that you think is most represented in this
Speaker 4: story when you say the separate things come together and
Speaker 4: you show how those elements intertwine in one lead, which
Speaker 4: doesn't seem so promising, leads to another solid lead. What
Speaker 4: is really in this episode? I guess maybe the underlying
Speaker 4: thing that people could take away from it.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 7: I think what people can or what they're probably going
Speaker 7: to take away from it is you know how that works,
Speaker 7: you know, how you get there and you you're excited
Speaker 7: about one lead and then that kind of fizzles, and
Speaker 7: then you know you're maybe not so excited about another one,
Speaker 7: and that one kind of you know, you know, materializes
Speaker 7: all the elements that it takes to solve a murder.
Speaker 7: I think, you know, from just talking to witnesses and
Speaker 7: people in the community, and I think probably the statements
Speaker 7: from the victim's friends and obviously the interrogations. You know,
Speaker 7: all these are are brought back in the mix that
Speaker 7: you talked about is you know, I'll talk on camera
Speaker 7: about how, you know, I brought this person in and
Speaker 7: I interviewed him, and then we'll switch to a scene
Speaker 7: where they actually play the actual interrogation tape, and then
Speaker 7: you know, we'll switch back and I'll say, you know,
Speaker 7: this person said this, and we'll cut to a scene
Speaker 7: where the person is you know, acting that out, and
Speaker 7: it just kind of kind of flows together. And I
Speaker 7: think probably the takeaway would be, you know, when someone
Speaker 7: watches the show, they'll see how it unfolds from start
Speaker 7: to finish, and the actual drama and the and the
Speaker 7: emotions involved are pretty well represented, so I think, and
Speaker 7: as you like, like you mentioned about that opening scene,
Speaker 7: you know, all those things that typically aren't available, you know,
Speaker 7: if you're if you're watching the news or something and
Speaker 7: you hear about a case. I think in this what
Speaker 7: with the show, you can actually go step by step
Speaker 7: and just you know, kind of follow the case from
Speaker 7: from my eyes.
Speaker 3: I guess it's probably the best way to put.
Speaker 4: It without giving anything away. I think we can still
Speaker 4: talk about this story for people to have a really
Speaker 4: interest in in this season two and to take a
Speaker 4: look at this. When you talk about your police work,
Speaker 4: it's evident in this story that you do not have
Speaker 4: employ any kind of tunnel vision or jump to any
Speaker 4: kind of conclusions. And because if you were to jump
Speaker 4: to some conclusions, you would number one, interview witnesses differently
Speaker 4: and assume different things. And like I said, with a
Speaker 4: tunnel vision, you might go down a route that really
Speaker 4: doesn't lead to a resolution like it does in this case.
Speaker 4: And you talk about this bottoms the bottom, So tell
Speaker 4: us a little bit bit about the bottoms and what
Speaker 4: it's known for and at least initially what police might
Speaker 4: have thought was in terms of motive, because you didn't
Speaker 4: have any motive for this murder, did you?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 7: No, Actually, you know what that's that's that's a pretty
Speaker 7: good observation, you know, I don't, you know, And I
Speaker 7: think that's probably the most successful way to work any case.
Speaker 7: And you know, the Bottoms has a reputation for being
Speaker 7: a you know, a red light district, and the immediate
Speaker 7: thought from people is that, you know, when they when
Speaker 7: they see an unexplainable crime is you know, maybe.
Speaker 3: It drugs, it's this, maybe it's that.
Speaker 7: And you're absolutely right that when you go in and
Speaker 7: if you have a mindset like that, you know, just
Speaker 7: kind of you know, chalking things up to the you know,
Speaker 7: where they are or who they are, then you're going
Speaker 7: to lose a lot. You're going to miss a lot.
Speaker 7: And you know, that's that's an unfortunate thing. That an
Speaker 7: unfortunate thing that happens often, you know, you know, I mean,
Speaker 7: I thank God that I didn't have that type of attitude,
Speaker 7: and probably because of my life experiences and the things
Speaker 7: that I've seen, you know, I didn't have the ability
Speaker 7: to do that. But you know, that's that's a pretty
Speaker 7: good observation because not many people that have actually picked
Speaker 7: up on that.
Speaker 3: But the reality is is that you know, some.
Speaker 7: Crimes are unsolved before they're even started because of a
Speaker 7: preconceived notion about an area or a person or people
Speaker 7: involved in the crimes.
Speaker 4: Right now you talk about this. It's interesting too because
Speaker 4: what we talk about is that, again, no tunnel vision
Speaker 4: employed here, and you have to have that kind of
Speaker 4: technique to be as successful, especially as incredibly successful as
Speaker 4: you has been. But also the way you unfold this
Speaker 4: in this documentary, in this part of me, this television series,
Speaker 4: is that it's very much like the real day to
Speaker 4: day work that you do. Not every single case is
Speaker 4: as memorable enough to get on the screen, but it
Speaker 4: is an unfolding mystery, isn't it. And you have that
Speaker 4: very much demonstrated in this first episode.
Speaker 7: Oh, it absolutely is, and you know, and and again
Speaker 7: that's that's probably the biggest part of it, because they're
Speaker 7: all mysteries, and you know, and when you you go
Speaker 7: in with a particular mindset or a notion that you
Speaker 7: know it's going to be this or that and you
Speaker 7: want to predict this or predict that, is where you
Speaker 7: kind of lose track of it. I think the big
Speaker 7: takeaway from it, and I think what what's actually the
Speaker 7: blessing in all.
Speaker 3: Of it is is that people can actually see that.
Speaker 7: How it works, and with that in mind, they can
Speaker 7: understand how some you know, some attitudes and ideas affect
Speaker 7: the way you think. When it comes to crimes like homicide, murder,
Speaker 7: or any other violent crime like that, you have to
Speaker 7: interject a human aspect of it. You know, it's not
Speaker 7: something that you can just learn and just practice. Because
Speaker 7: you're absolutely right, you start developing tunnel vision, you start thinking, well,
Speaker 7: you know, you're going to predict this and predict that.
Speaker 7: I think the hallmark of any good homicide detective or
Speaker 7: a police officer for that matter, is to have an
Speaker 7: ability to kind of suspend what you think and go
Speaker 7: with what you know. And you know, I think the
Speaker 7: other biggest part of that is is that I think
Speaker 7: the most or probably the best quality any police officer
Speaker 7: can have is being able to do just be unbiased.
Speaker 7: And you know, it seems like it's an easy thing
Speaker 7: to do, but you know, sometimes it's not. But if
Speaker 7: you're able to develop that, you know that human connection,
Speaker 7: be unbiased and be non judgmental, you'd be surprised how
Speaker 7: these things unfold.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, you do have all kinds of important interviews, leads
Speaker 4: that are seemed to be very promising that don't amount
Speaker 4: to anything. But you do have this clear attitude that
Speaker 4: you find a lot of these stories that I've featured
Speaker 4: in a lot of books and a lot of documentaries
Speaker 4: are chronicle the disregard for we'll say prostitutes or people
Speaker 4: drug users testimony something that they had witnessed, and so
Speaker 4: they are dismissed and then later in hindsight, that was
Speaker 4: a huge mistake. So you do talk to some people
Speaker 4: and you do demonstrate that with that attitude, that part
Speaker 4: of that attitude of not being judgmental and rather just
Speaker 4: treating them like any other human being gets you some
Speaker 4: really significant results. And it does in this case as well,
Speaker 4: doesn't it.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it absolutely does. You know.
Speaker 7: The fact is is that you know, and I always
Speaker 7: used to joke with with with a lot of police
Speaker 7: officers and others that I work with, that you know,
Speaker 7: but for the grace of God, you'd be the same person.
Speaker 3: You know, there's this.
Speaker 7: Misconception that people somehow, if you're a prostitutor, you're your
Speaker 7: ug user or whatever the case may be. That you're
Speaker 7: somehow less of a person or you have less of
Speaker 7: a voice, and that's absolutely incorrect when you think that
Speaker 7: or understand and believe that, you know that everybody is
Speaker 7: equal regardless of their circumstances. And ironically, some people that
Speaker 7: seem to be in very challenging or difficult situations, there
Speaker 7: are most times, if not all the time, more honest
Speaker 7: than people who who seem to think they have it
Speaker 7: all or command this sort of an attitude that they do.
Speaker 7: You know, at the end of the day, you know
Speaker 7: it's it's it's honest and in a spiritual way of
Speaker 7: serving people. I mean, you know, the Scripture says that
Speaker 7: the least among us, you know, and and that's the
Speaker 7: kind of the attitude that you have to take when
Speaker 7: you're serving people for whatever reason. But when you do,
Speaker 7: for whatever reason, believe that somebody has less of a
Speaker 7: voice than someone else, or someone's you know, more important,
Speaker 7: or or are going to be more honest than someone else,
Speaker 7: is kind of where we lose it. And you know,
Speaker 7: I definitely appreciate you recognizing that because I think that's
Speaker 7: the biggest part of the the show, that that you know,
Speaker 7: from my own personal side, that's what I want people
Speaker 7: to take away from. You know, there are all sorts
Speaker 7: of other things that that you know, people may not
Speaker 7: be able to see that, you know, because they get
Speaker 7: lost in all the other aspects of the of the show.
Speaker 7: But I think it's that's probably the biggest for me,
Speaker 7: and you know, that's just been the tone of my career.
Speaker 4: Absolutely. We talked a little bit about Shreveport, Louisiana and
Speaker 4: its film industry, and again this won't give too much
Speaker 4: away at all, but this could have led to sort
Speaker 4: of again another lead that led to nothing but tell
Speaker 4: us about you say he worked in the catering industry,
Speaker 4: But we didn't explain why is it important that this
Speaker 4: case gets solved quickly and without much fanfare? Why is
Speaker 4: that important?
Speaker 7: Well, you know, I think when people see something as
Speaker 7: horrible as this or or any crime that happens and
Speaker 7: where that person is affiliated, you know, and the unfortunate
Speaker 7: thing is is that, you know, there are some areas
Speaker 7: where people don't get.
Speaker 3: That much attention, like we just just talked about.
Speaker 7: But when all eyes are on stuffing, you know, it
Speaker 7: brings a lot of fear and what you don't want
Speaker 7: to do, as any any public servant wouldn't want to
Speaker 7: do is is to seem like you don't have control
Speaker 7: over over you know, people's safety. And if you have
Speaker 7: an industry like that in and you know it's it's
Speaker 7: benefiting so many people on so many different levels.
Speaker 3: You you don't want to alarm people.
Speaker 7: You want to you know, want to get in there
Speaker 7: and handling business and and move on.
Speaker 3: You know, once you you know, fear or or the the.
Speaker 7: Appearance of of of something that's really not usually the
Speaker 7: case kind of pushes people away. So cases where where
Speaker 7: people are hurt or injured, it sometimes depends on who
Speaker 7: the victim is. You know, it could be someone that
Speaker 7: works in in in the industry like in this book
Speaker 7: or case, or it could be a young child, or
Speaker 7: it can be a student or or something that that
Speaker 7: would alarm a certain segment of the population. Now, obviously
Speaker 7: all all murders, in my opinion, it should should receive
Speaker 7: the same attention, but there are some that that require
Speaker 7: extra care because some people do have precacy of notions
Speaker 7: and some people unfortunately don't see things the way you know,
Speaker 7: we we're talking about it. But yeah, that I think
Speaker 7: that's a big push for.
Speaker 3: You know, and that's just I guess that's just about
Speaker 3: anywhere where you know. So many people are affected.
Speaker 6: Right.
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Speaker 4: this now in this case again without giving it away,
Speaker 4: because there's so much to this story, so many things
Speaker 4: lead to other things. Without giving it away. What is
Speaker 4: it that solves this case. In your mind, what one
Speaker 4: of those elements in law enforcement that you rely on
Speaker 4: was that one thing that solved this case.
Speaker 7: That would be interview and interrogation. That is, you know,
Speaker 7: that's the thing that I probably loved most about the job,
Speaker 7: being able to make that connection with someone.
Speaker 3: And you know, we can find.
Speaker 7: All sorts of evidence, we can find all sorts of
Speaker 7: forensics and so on and so forth, but it doesn't
Speaker 7: really bring it to life. But when someone actually tells
Speaker 7: you the story, how it happened, and then there's there's
Speaker 7: evidence that supports that, you know, it's it's not good
Speaker 7: enough for someone to say, you know what, I shot
Speaker 7: a person, or or someone to say this person.
Speaker 3: Shot a person.
Speaker 7: You know, you want to you want to know the details.
Speaker 7: You want to know exactly how it happened. You want
Speaker 7: to you want an intimacy that would would show that
Speaker 7: that person absolutely had to be there. And for me
Speaker 7: in this case, in all cases, actually is what works
Speaker 7: for me. There's so many ways to get caught up
Speaker 7: in and well it looks like this may be the case,
Speaker 7: and then you know, turn out to be completely wrong.
Speaker 7: So when I work a case, that's what I go
Speaker 7: for I go for, you know, a person that can
Speaker 7: actually relay that story, but not just that. Someone that
Speaker 7: can relay the story and I can support it by
Speaker 7: evidence that's just there.
Speaker 3: Heavily relying on you.
Speaker 7: Know, forensics or maybe even crime scene type stuff is
Speaker 7: good stuff. But I don't like to have that doubt.
Speaker 7: I don't want there to be any doubt actually, you
Speaker 7: know so, I think for me in this case, the
Speaker 7: thing that.
Speaker 3: Brought it all together were the interviews and the interrogations.
Speaker 4: Right right, you talk about some of the characters that
Speaker 4: are in here that you interviewed, and one of the
Speaker 4: biggest features of this is that, because of your experienced
Speaker 4: intrigue for it in its fourteen years in the area,
Speaker 4: you know some of these people right away. When there
Speaker 4: are viable suspects, people's names come up, it's as easy
Speaker 4: as putting an alias through the system that you can
Speaker 4: find this person that this witness described and then you say, yeah,
Speaker 4: well I know that guy. I've dealt with that guy before.
Speaker 4: How much of an advantage is in this case was
Speaker 4: it to already have some sort of relationship, And again
Speaker 4: we talked about how you treat everybody the same, so
Speaker 4: it really works out for you, how important was it
Speaker 4: in moving this case forward very quickly at some point?
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, that's a huge advantage. You know, police officers
Speaker 7: are You can tell the ones that are going to
Speaker 7: be pretty successful because they're immersed in their community. If
Speaker 7: you have a really good patrol alster, a detective can
Speaker 7: go to that officer and.
Speaker 3: He'll know his bet.
Speaker 7: You know, hey, I'm looking for whatever, and you give
Speaker 7: somebody a nickname, and they can tell you everything about
Speaker 7: that person where they last. All the thing with investigations,
Speaker 7: you know, you have a relationship with your community, and
Speaker 7: you know some of the suspects and some of the witnesses,
Speaker 7: and definitely the good citizens because when something like this happens,
Speaker 7: it's not foreign to you. You can almost say oh yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 7: and now it makes sense to me because you know
Speaker 7: patterns and you know the type of things that they do.
Speaker 3: You also can figure out who's going to tell you
Speaker 3: what you need to know.
Speaker 7: And so a knowledge of your community and who you're
Speaker 7: dealing with is always the biggest advantage.
Speaker 3: And I've always thought that, actually, I always thought that
Speaker 3: once you.
Speaker 7: Know you're terrain in your community, then you're not going
Speaker 7: to have too many problems navigating it.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 7: But if you're detached and you know, you're kind of
Speaker 7: relying on just you know, crime scene investigation or hope
Speaker 7: or or dreams, it doesn't work. You know, murder is
Speaker 7: a very personal crime, and with that, to investigate it,
Speaker 7: you have to be a very personal person, and you
Speaker 7: have to be able to get out and talk to
Speaker 7: people and understand people and all the way things worked
Speaker 7: in your community. But always thought that the biggest advantage
Speaker 7: that a police officer had, and you know, whether it's
Speaker 7: the firearms training and drive and or whatever else they
Speaker 7: train us to do, is communication.
Speaker 3: If you're not able to communicate, then you're not going
Speaker 3: to be very successful.
Speaker 7: So if you gave me a police officer that was
Speaker 7: very good at communicating or interacting with people and understanding people,
Speaker 7: you'd have a very good police officer. Somebody that can
Speaker 7: do all the mechanics, you know, maybe they can grab
Speaker 7: fingerprints or whatever, not necessarily as valuable as somebody that
Speaker 7: can communicate.
Speaker 4: This person that comes up this alias and then you
Speaker 4: had a relationship with them. The thing that really isn't
Speaker 4: explained here. Maybe again I'm just curious on this, and
Speaker 4: again to explain how you develop relationships other than you know,
Speaker 4: treating people as a human being. I mean, that would
Speaker 4: be obvious, I would say, but what is it that
Speaker 4: does because this is crucial and again I won't give
Speaker 4: I won't give this away for the viewers. But when
Speaker 4: you talk about this person that you find through this alias,
Speaker 4: this guy obviously has been in the system and and
Speaker 4: so he's not a lily white character here. So but
Speaker 4: how does he how do you manage what is it
Speaker 4: that you are able to present to him that he
Speaker 4: can so easily give up this person? What isn't in
Speaker 4: terms of street cred that you have that I just
Speaker 4: don't seem to understand, which is unique I think about you,
Speaker 4: What is it that not so easily because there's no
Speaker 4: reward for this guy that it's almost seems like this
Speaker 4: guy's got some other level of conscience that sometimes you
Speaker 4: just really don't see.
Speaker 7: I think it's it's it's all about self preservation actually,
Speaker 7: and and the reputation I guess, or the way that
Speaker 7: our work cases. You know, after years, people kind of
Speaker 7: kind of understand that you know what's going to happen,
Speaker 7: you know, if you're not if you're not going to
Speaker 7: close the case. You're not good closing cases, and people
Speaker 7: don't expect it. But if people know that you're going
Speaker 7: to close the case, then most people jump on board.
Speaker 7: But self preservation is probably best. Most people will give
Speaker 7: up anything or anybody if they think they're in jeopardy,
Speaker 7: and it's it's easy to kind of pick that out,
Speaker 7: you know, if you're if you're working the streets and
Speaker 7: you know you run into people like this guy in particular,
Speaker 7: and you know they have you know, minor charges or
Speaker 7: they're always in and out of trouble. They know that
Speaker 7: you're relentless, so if you go ask them a question
Speaker 7: or you want to know something, they don't want your
Speaker 7: attention focused on them.
Speaker 3: It's probably probably the best way to describe it.
Speaker 7: I don't know that it has anything to do with
Speaker 7: the actual police officer, you know, and you know, our
Speaker 7: our skills. I think it's probably more of our reputation
Speaker 7: or the reputation he's developed and that person and the
Speaker 7: desire to keep themselves, you know, below the radar, or
Speaker 7: self preservation. You know that there's that old ad is
Speaker 7: you know there's no honor among feeds, and that's absolutely true.
Speaker 7: You know, it's all. Sometimes it can be every man
Speaker 7: for themselves.
Speaker 4: Were you surprised? I mean, obviously, all throughout this investigation
Speaker 4: you have your assumptions and theories on terms of motive.
Speaker 4: The why, the why must really gnaw at you at
Speaker 4: times when it can't be solved, so along the way,
Speaker 4: I'm sure that's what that's what you're thinking of, assuming,
Speaker 4: thinking ahead, theorizing overall. Was this a surprise to you?
Speaker 4: Or is this how much of a surprise was this
Speaker 4: in the end in terms of why?
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it was.
Speaker 7: And you know, I think the gnawing question when you
Speaker 7: when you work case is initially that's the first thing
Speaker 7: that comes to mind, is why. But I think the
Speaker 7: reason for the question initially is different because you want
Speaker 7: to know why, because you want to make sense off
Speaker 7: so you can solve the case. But that question why
Speaker 7: it develops as the case continues. You know, when you
Speaker 7: start to get more leads and more evidence, then you
Speaker 7: want to know, well, why would they go to that extreme?
Speaker 7: And then when you finally get to the end of
Speaker 7: the case, the why changes the why did this happen?
Speaker 7: You know, it's I think that question starts, but I
Speaker 7: think it kind of matures over the course of the investigation.
Speaker 7: At least it different me. You know, it's kind of
Speaker 7: primal at first, you know, well, why did this happen?
Speaker 7: So you can piece it together, and then you know
Speaker 7: the next step, and then the next step, and then
Speaker 7: finally at the end you come to this this big question.
Speaker 7: And you know, I think what's probably more important is that,
Speaker 7: you know, as I came to the end of my career,
Speaker 7: I looked at all the cases and ask why does
Speaker 7: it happen at all? So I don't know what was
Speaker 7: the question that ever goes away? I think it just
Speaker 7: gets more intent. You know.
Speaker 4: Now you talk about in this particular case, and I mean,
Speaker 4: I think this is a kind of cliche you don't
Speaker 4: just want to throw around, but you talk about evil
Speaker 4: and the devil, and and you've had interaction with this
Speaker 4: guy before. So what was it most about this person
Speaker 4: in terms of Yeah, what was most about this person
Speaker 4: that separated him from all these other people and many
Speaker 4: of the people, even in homicides, that you interacted with
Speaker 4: over the years.
Speaker 3: Well, I think that.
Speaker 7: There are different types of suspects, and some people have
Speaker 7: the ability to actually have some level of compassion for
Speaker 7: another person. And there are people that are just relentlessly evil,
Speaker 7: I mean, and they inflict injury and harmful on people
Speaker 7: just because there's something there. I can't even begin to assume,
Speaker 7: you know, whatever psychological state they may be into, or
Speaker 7: or anything that would actually motivate something that can be
Speaker 7: so gruesome.
Speaker 3: But what I can say is that I believe that.
Speaker 7: And this is just based on my own personal observations,
Speaker 7: is that you know, you know, spiritually, some people are
Speaker 7: just an balance. And I don't know necessarily if it's
Speaker 7: that person or or just you know, how they lost
Speaker 7: their weight. But I guess maybe you can draw that
Speaker 7: conclusion if you know, I guess each individual can you know,
Speaker 7: someone looking at it as a psychologist may draw one conclusion,
Speaker 7: or somebody as a sociologist may draw another, you know,
Speaker 7: whether it was a home life or something. But you know,
Speaker 7: I'm just the basic spiritual kind of guy, and I
Speaker 7: know that there there have been examples in the scripture
Speaker 7: where people seem to be they've lost their way for
Speaker 7: whatever reason, and and that's so that's just personally my opinion.
Speaker 7: It's that it's not something to to say that, you know,
Speaker 7: someone may in another area disagree with it. But I
Speaker 7: think my my opinion is that people have that ability
Speaker 7: and I and I based that solely upon what I
Speaker 7: believe spiritually.
Speaker 4: Very interesting to you include that in this television series
Speaker 4: as well, in this that when you did get the
Speaker 4: call about this particular case, you were actually at that
Speaker 4: place that you're talking about the church were Yeah, I was.
Speaker 3: That, you know, and that's uh, yeah, you know, that's
Speaker 3: just who I am.
Speaker 7: And I don't believe that, you know, all the things
Speaker 7: that have happened, you know, my mother being murdered, my
Speaker 7: brother present, all these other.
Speaker 3: Things that that I see around me daily. You know,
Speaker 3: it's it's never a question of you know, you know
Speaker 3: why all this happened? Is why did I survive it?
Speaker 7: And well, that's because that's that's God's grace and for
Speaker 7: whatever reason, you know, that's what I was chose to do,
Speaker 7: hence the name of the of the program. And I
Speaker 7: think that it's all for the greater good. I think
Speaker 7: that my comfort was to give someone else comfort, and
Speaker 7: their comfort give someone else comfort. And I think when
Speaker 7: all people that actually concern themselves or care about people,
Speaker 7: all the good people get together, and then you know,
Speaker 7: evil starts to dissipate. But when every man kind of
Speaker 7: believes what's right in his own heart, then you know,
Speaker 7: we all we all know the conclusion of that. But yeah,
Speaker 7: it's very important. And I you know, I do that
Speaker 7: probably in every show, interview or aspect of my life,
Speaker 7: because I do recognize the grace and the mercy, and
Speaker 7: for whatever whatever reason, I don't find myself rite a
Speaker 7: position to judge anyone for what they do. I judge
Speaker 7: the acts, you know, and if this guy's committed a
Speaker 7: very evil act, you know, I don't know that that
Speaker 7: puts me in a position to judge as a person, because.
Speaker 3: It doesn't, but it certainly.
Speaker 7: Speaks to, you know, the evil forces or behavior that
Speaker 7: that is completely among us.
Speaker 4: You talk about your brother, if you don't mind, and
Speaker 4: if if you talk about your brother being convicted of murder,
Speaker 4: and then I hear your attitude towards not judging the person,
Speaker 4: but judging the crime. How important is your attitude towards
Speaker 4: your brother and that relationship that you do have to
Speaker 4: the work that you do and have done, and as
Speaker 4: a homicide detective, and now with this work telling the
Speaker 4: stories of your career to a bigger audience.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think actually, I think that my brother's conviction
Speaker 7: or murder is probably what made me recognize that even more.
Speaker 7: I think it amplified it. And the fact that you
Speaker 7: know that that is nothing. But in my opinion, that's
Speaker 7: not because Grace saying, you know, this could be anybody
Speaker 7: you know, and it doesn't put you in a position where,
Speaker 7: you know, most people can look at someone and say,
Speaker 7: oh God, you know that person's a monster there, this,
Speaker 7: that and the other, but you know, it kind of
Speaker 7: changes your perception on that, and for me it does.
Speaker 7: You know, I see the evil acts, but at the
Speaker 7: same time, I can see the at some point they
Speaker 7: were somebody else's brother or sister or whomever they were.
Speaker 7: So I think the fact that I was able to
Speaker 7: experience that firsthand, I don't easily dismiss a person. You know,
Speaker 7: I can absolutely be totally against whatever act that they've
Speaker 7: committed or whatever crime they've committed there, But I don't
Speaker 7: know that I can do that with that person, probably
Speaker 7: because I don't think anyone's going to position to judge
Speaker 7: anybody like that, And you really don't know. As a
Speaker 7: homicide detective, I think of or a police officer or
Speaker 7: anybody that's in a position like that, I think we
Speaker 7: kind of lose it when people think they can do that.
Speaker 7: You know, you can't really judge people for whatever.
Speaker 3: I think. You judge the act and whatever happens.
Speaker 7: In my brother's case, you know what my brother's crimes were,
Speaker 7: He's going to be punished form, you know, to be
Speaker 7: able to for me.
Speaker 3: To be able to.
Speaker 7: Look at it, and as my brother, I can absolutely
Speaker 7: do that, But at the same time, I have to
Speaker 7: also take into consideration that you give been a very
Speaker 7: evil act. So you know, it's a balancing act. And
Speaker 7: you know, I truly believe that that's that's just the teaching.
Speaker 7: You know, that's that's the spiritual maturity that you you
Speaker 7: arived at. You know, you have all these things that
Speaker 7: happen in your life and when you get to a
Speaker 7: certain point, it all comes to a to a head
Speaker 7: and gives you more direction and meaning. So where you
Speaker 7: look at a crime victim and you look at a
Speaker 7: person who's committed a crime, or you look at people
Speaker 7: who are watching all this happen, and you come to
Speaker 7: the same conclusion. You know, you know, all these people
Speaker 7: are people, and when you decide that you can you know,
Speaker 7: kind of judge, who's you know, the type of person
Speaker 7: that's spear a crime victim or who the type of
Speaker 7: persons bear a crime is is when you're getting out
Speaker 7: of line and you'll see a bunch of chaos at
Speaker 7: that point.
Speaker 4: Before you got to this point and maturity and acceptance.
Speaker 4: You were three years old when your mother was murdered?
Speaker 4: How did you reconcile that? We didn't talk about how
Speaker 4: that happened or who that was that murdered her. How
Speaker 4: did you without doing that? How did you reconcile this
Speaker 4: and be able to and not that there is such
Speaker 4: a thing as closure or getting over, but how did
Speaker 4: you move forward? How did you reconcile the murder of
Speaker 4: your mother?
Speaker 7: Well, I think as I learned more about the story,
Speaker 7: I realized that all the things that had happened to
Speaker 7: my mother were actually for the greater good. You know
Speaker 7: if in my belief, I think that the scripture is
Speaker 7: right on point when it when God talks about before
Speaker 7: he formed you on your mother's womb, he knew you
Speaker 7: were you know what you're going to do. And I
Speaker 7: think as I grew it was a perfect balance. You know,
Speaker 7: my mother was murdered about the time I didn't have
Speaker 7: the whole lot of memory of it, but I saw
Speaker 7: the effect of everyone else around her, including my grandparents,
Speaker 7: you know, as my grandmother morning and my grandfather's concerns.
Speaker 7: And I saw how it affected my brother with the
Speaker 7: anger he had towards the man who killed our mother.
Speaker 7: And you know, I got to a point where I
Speaker 7: saw the man who actually killed our mother and had
Speaker 7: a conversation with him and interviewed and interrogated him, and I.
Speaker 3: Realized that, you know, I think I was. It's not
Speaker 3: something happened overnight, you know, I was probably you know,
Speaker 3: in my third I realized that, you know.
Speaker 7: The forgiveness and whatever I had to do was all
Speaker 7: in me, and and if I didn't, I would probably
Speaker 7: internalize things like my brother or go through the grief
Speaker 7: that my grandmother went through. And all that translates into
Speaker 7: a healing or a reconciliation that I was able to.
Speaker 3: Give to someone else. So when I go out and work.
Speaker 7: A crime, I could I could bring that to the
Speaker 7: surviving victims. And you know, sometimes even the people who
Speaker 7: committed the crimes, and they in turn can give to
Speaker 7: someone else and it kind of has a chain reaction.
Speaker 7: None of none of that happened overnight, you know, because
Speaker 7: it's pretty confusing growing up and wondering why. But as
Speaker 7: I got deeper into it, I realized that, you know,
Speaker 7: some of these things happen, and like I said, it's
Speaker 7: not a matter of why did they happen, it's why
Speaker 7: did I survive? And you know, what's my purpose? Fortunately
Speaker 7: for me, I was blessed enough to figure out my
Speaker 7: purpose and be able to kind of walk on that purpose.
Speaker 7: And and in the end, you you the reward you
Speaker 7: get is a peace, you know, and I think that's
Speaker 7: what everybody seeks. As long as people are of the
Speaker 7: mindset where they actually want to help other people insteader themselves.
Speaker 3: I think you'll see a lot more about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, getting back to this first episode, it's very interesting
Speaker 4: that you have these separate elements where you are going
Speaker 4: to this very crucial interview with a person that you
Speaker 4: think is among the worst you've ever seen. You're getting
Speaker 4: to that point, and at the same time we have
Speaker 4: again we talked about Troy, the guy that worked in
Speaker 4: the film industry, and he will give this a little
Speaker 4: bit away. At least he recovers so he doesn't die.
Speaker 4: He recovers so you have the back and forth between
Speaker 4: this interview and what you're going to gain from it.
Speaker 4: You have DNA evidence, you have fingerprint evidence, you have
Speaker 4: now the main witness to know more of the why.
Speaker 4: So know more of the why. So very interesting developments
Speaker 4: back and forth, back and forth in this ongoing mystery
Speaker 4: leads from again prostitutes, from people that you already know
Speaker 4: and have encountered and have significant police records. This is
Speaker 4: an incredible unfolding and all the people again to separate elements,
Speaker 4: these people come together with you and your partner, Detective Mitchell,
Speaker 4: to be able to solve this case. In the other episodes,
Speaker 4: you have ten episodes this season, I assume there were
Speaker 4: ten episodes last season. Just tell us a little bit
Speaker 4: about some of the upcoming cases that you will be covering.
Speaker 4: Just sort of the general brief description of some of
Speaker 4: those cases that you'll be covering in this season of
Speaker 4: Murder shows me.
Speaker 7: There, you're you're right, there are ten episodes. There were
Speaker 7: ten episodes last season, and you know, the cases are
Speaker 7: vastly different in different areas that that kind of stuck.
Speaker 3: Out to me.
Speaker 7: You know, cases of domestic violence, cases of crimes that
Speaker 7: were committed against people for their sexual orientation or preference,
Speaker 7: or or you know, cases that are are assumed to
Speaker 7: be drug cases, or or you know the presumption of
Speaker 7: of all sorts of different things. And I think most
Speaker 7: of the cases that were you know, I look for
Speaker 7: that that thread that that separates each case, and I
Speaker 7: think the upcoming season will kind of illustrate that pretty well,
Speaker 7: that you know, police and and and solvent homicides can
Speaker 7: can actually individualize people. And I think when you know
Speaker 7: everything's painted with a broad brush, then you don't get
Speaker 7: that in the individual aspect of it. And I think
Speaker 7: that it's absolutely necessary, especially in crimes like this murder.
Speaker 7: It's a very personal crime. You know, it affects so
Speaker 7: many different people, but it affects so many differ people
Speaker 7: on different levels, and it absolutely affects the people that
Speaker 7: are closest to the people that are that are killed.
Speaker 7: And my prayer, my my hope was it was to
Speaker 7: bring you know, that story, you know, that particular story,
Speaker 7: that person's story to life, rather than you know, we
Speaker 7: have this type of crime, but that type of crime.
Speaker 7: And I think if you you know, and and yeah,
Speaker 7: like I said, I'm glad they they've done such a
Speaker 7: great job with it, because I mean, right off the top,
Speaker 7: you you recognize the things that I was, you know,
Speaker 7: desiring people to recognize immediately. So I think that's the
Speaker 7: goal of it.
Speaker 4: You talk about that you're very happy with that, and
Speaker 4: that the very very sensitive and you know, sensitive treatment
Speaker 4: of everybody involved in this, and you can see that
Speaker 4: that's not sensationalized in any way. It's very respectful. Maybe
Speaker 4: you can tell us just about the people that you
Speaker 4: worked with on this to make bring this because it
Speaker 4: is a very very good series. So maybe you could
Speaker 4: just tell us a little bit about that and working
Speaker 4: on this and your actual participation how we can see
Speaker 4: just from the series itself you're involvement, but tell us
Speaker 4: about your hands on participation in this production.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the production company, Jupiter Entertainment, they were they were
Speaker 7: very very very good and and and allowing me to
Speaker 7: express me and what my thoughts were about cases and
Speaker 7: and I think that's the reason why you you don't
Speaker 7: see a lot of sensationalism, and it's very heavily weighted
Speaker 7: towards the victims and and respect for for them. And likewise,
Speaker 7: investigation discovery is phenomenal and doing that and telling stories
Speaker 7: and allowing that to go forward. And I think, you know,
Speaker 7: I probably couldn't ask for a better production company or
Speaker 7: for people in that production company and network to produce it.
Speaker 7: The actor who plays me, it.
Speaker 3: Was just you know, phenomenal.
Speaker 7: I mean that that that he and I were able
Speaker 7: to connect and when we met, you know, there are
Speaker 7: so many similarities and so many personality traits that we shared.
Speaker 3: In fact, you know, we you know, it wasn't just work.
Speaker 3: We became friends.
Speaker 7: So, you know, the the transition for him or him
Speaker 7: you know, just hanging out. You know, he kind of
Speaker 7: knows the you know, the way I think, or the
Speaker 7: way the way I would react to something, and it
Speaker 7: just gets better, you know, from from the first year
Speaker 7: we met until now. I mean, he can almost predict
Speaker 7: what I'm gonna say or what I'm going to think.
Speaker 7: So I think it was a perfect storm that made
Speaker 7: everything work out just right. And of course, obviously the
Speaker 7: families that were involved. You know, I maintained relationships with
Speaker 7: most of the crime victims and families, and you know,
Speaker 7: almost to a point where you know, ash, you know,
Speaker 7: we're friends, so knowing their wishes and being able to
Speaker 7: convey them, I think it just worked out great.
Speaker 4: You talk about the first season and you've alluded to
Speaker 4: that you've kept in touch with the families, and obviously
Speaker 4: we know from the general audience it's it's a hit,
Speaker 4: so there is that acceptance. And you say that the
Speaker 4: translation and lots of people complain about taking their project,
Speaker 4: their product and then not being completely satisfied with the
Speaker 4: end result, but you instead of talk about it in
Speaker 4: the opposite, basically that you're ecstatic about this, and I
Speaker 4: don't blame you. What has been the reaction from those
Speaker 4: people involved? And I think that's what you would you know,
Speaker 4: you'd want to know what their specific reaction is to
Speaker 4: an episode. Did you get anyone's response? Tell us about
Speaker 4: that experience if any Yeah, I.
Speaker 7: Used to get response because I try to talk with
Speaker 7: with with most people before and during production of it,
Speaker 7: so you know, I can kind of see their wishes.
Speaker 7: I think the thing I think the most important thing
Speaker 7: is that you know, you know, these aren't really actually
Speaker 7: my stories and their stories. So if if you decide
Speaker 7: you want to you know, fit it to what you
Speaker 7: want to be.
Speaker 3: I want it to be. I think that's where you
Speaker 3: come to a problem.
Speaker 7: And you know, with this particular project.
Speaker 3: You know, everybody.
Speaker 7: Is kind of the respectful for the other person's wishes
Speaker 7: and thoughts, and you know, and at the end of
Speaker 7: the day, the big concern is the.
Speaker 3: Community and the family, and you know, for that.
Speaker 7: I'm very grateful. You know, that's and that's the thing
Speaker 7: to be a static about the fact that you can
Speaker 7: you can tell those stories and kind of immortalize, you know,
Speaker 7: if they're if there's someone that was you know, otherwise
Speaker 7: forgotten for such a crime, you know, you know, there's
Speaker 7: an entire world that knows them now. And probably the
Speaker 7: most incredible thing is somebody from across the world, you know,
Speaker 7: Brandon morning with someone.
Speaker 3: From Freepoint, and that's just that's probably the best villain ever.
Speaker 7: So yeah, you're right on aesthetic about that, and I
Speaker 7: think it's it's probably because it's more about the situation
Speaker 7: and people kind of humanizing each other again and understanding
Speaker 7: each other's pain and grief and yeah, just what in
Speaker 7: my opinion, I think that's what makes it work.
Speaker 4: It's interesting too, isn't it. Having been a homicide detective
Speaker 4: and looking at this the incredible interest in true crime,
Speaker 4: and some people might think that that's a negative thing.
Speaker 4: But of course we know that it's a very very
Speaker 4: positive thing. This renewed interest in true crime, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 7: And I think that's probably something that was going to happen.
Speaker 7: I mean, if you know, you know, society goes into
Speaker 7: a decline and people are getting hurt and people are
Speaker 7: almost becoming desensitized certain crimes. I think it's really important
Speaker 7: that we re engage in the fascination with true crime,
Speaker 7: you know, even if it's voluntary, involuntary, I think people
Speaker 7: are are drawn to it because they can, you know,
Speaker 7: share in the stories and the fears and the veins
Speaker 7: and and I think that's probably the best part of it,
Speaker 7: you know, I don't I don't know that there's a
Speaker 7: you know, satisfaction and people seeing other people grieve.
Speaker 3: I think it's probably just the opposite. It's how to stop. Yeah, And.
Speaker 7: At least that's what I'm seeing. And I get a
Speaker 7: lot of that from the response. I mean, people that
Speaker 7: that message or messages and from all over the world
Speaker 7: it's the same exact thing, and that is that's amazing
Speaker 7: to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is an amazing series. It's very well done,
Speaker 4: incredibly respectful and sensitive and very exciting, and I got
Speaker 4: to say an incredible production, very well done. I want
Speaker 4: to thank you very much, Detective row Memory for coming on.
Speaker 4: We have to mention maybe you can tell the audience
Speaker 4: when it premieres, tell us that for our audience as
Speaker 4: you part.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 7: Second season premiere is April fourth at nine pm Central
Speaker 7: tenth Eastern on Investigation Discovery.
Speaker 3: Vi ID channel.
Speaker 4: Well, I want to thank you very much, Detective Rod
Speaker 4: Demery for coming on and talking about murder chose me.
Speaker 4: I look forward to the episodes and all of the
Speaker 4: episodes this season and going back into season one and
Speaker 4: see what I missed. So thank you very much, and
Speaker 4: you have a great evening.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, thanks for having me. I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Thank you, good night,