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Speaker 1: Chicago right now.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, bullshit, we're not there.
Speaker 1: Sucks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Chicago's terrible.
Speaker 2: No, me not being in Chicago's terrible.
Speaker 1: Oh remember the pizza. Yeah, remember all the beer?
Speaker 2: Good?
Speaker 3: Oh that was good too. Remember the Millort that was
Speaker 3: Remember the Milord man. I wonder Ifrom Milart guys there.
Speaker 3: You think he's definitely there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said he'd be drinking alert for me today.
Speaker 1: And then I said, good, have like ten, And then
Speaker 1: everybody else in the CEO discorder was like.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'll do it too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hate no problem. I'll have a drink for
Speaker 1: the boys.
Speaker 3: Oh man, everybody's there. Hey frick well, it's good. It's
Speaker 3: good to see the contingent there showing up for the nation.
Speaker 3: I like that makes me happy. I hope everybody had fun.
Speaker 3: I hate it. Wait, what is this opposite?
Speaker 1: Is reversal town?
Speaker 3: Brian and Rando?
Speaker 1: Yes, speaking of a Reversal Town too. We just recorded
Speaker 1: a Brando's box opening we did, and you didn't get
Speaker 1: pounded because it was my box. You'll see. We definitely
Speaker 1: thought that we got pounded, and I certainly am never
Speaker 1: going to financially recover from the box. Though I did
Speaker 1: get cards. I'm going to play bull crap. Yes, bull
Speaker 1: crap I hated.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I also hate it stupid.
Speaker 1: I know I was doing an impression of you. I
Speaker 1: like it, Oh, because I actually got good cards that
Speaker 1: I'm going to play Index of Magic the Gathering Cards.
Speaker 3: What yes, makes sense?
Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of playing Magic the Gathering Cards, I got
Speaker 1: a couple of things. Okay, okay, a couple of things.
Speaker 3: A couple of things.
Speaker 1: Sidewalk Slam season three. People have been asking me left, right,
Speaker 1: and center February twenty eighth. We said it last week.
Speaker 1: We're saying it again this week because you obviously don't
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Speaker 1: Yes. Do you remember that one time we were playing
Speaker 1: magic at your old house and we walked up to
Speaker 1: the house and we saw your downstairs roommate smashing his boyfriend. Yes.
Speaker 3: What does that have to do with this?
Speaker 1: You said, downstairs roommate, And I thought of downstairs and roommate,
Speaker 1: fair point, like under two separate circumstances. I thought downstairs
Speaker 1: like they were smashing and downstairs roommate, separate independent clauses.
Speaker 3: I see, Yes, that was a thing that was happening.
Speaker 3: He is very embarrassed. Oh yeah, wow, it's only natural
Speaker 3: like people are smashing, or that people would be embarrassed
Speaker 3: that they're upstairs housemates saw them smashing.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, that was the first thing. Okay, sidewalk slam,
Speaker 1: get there and get smashed. Correct, yep. Second thing is
Speaker 1: we're going to talk a little bit about brackets and
Speaker 1: stuff on tomorrow's show again, but more more of my
Speaker 1: notes are on game changers and the changes I made
Speaker 1: to decks. Agreed, Have you made any changes? No? Oh
Speaker 1: you did you talk about game Changers with anybody at
Speaker 1: the local game store. Yes, I did. Oh yeah, what
Speaker 1: did they say?
Speaker 3: We talked lots about it where we are all of
Speaker 3: the same sort of mind where the list might not be.
Speaker 3: We're glad it's in beta, is what we're saying. We're
Speaker 3: glad that it's in beta. And we had the experience
Speaker 3: of this is a one and it was below and
Speaker 3: it's not a one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then it goes back to the intent versus
Speaker 1: the law. Like we talked about last week. We actually
Speaker 1: got a lot of feedback comments. Editor Joe sent me
Speaker 1: a screenshot that his friends were watching the show, and
Speaker 1: he said Ryan and Brando had probably the calmest, most
Speaker 1: level headed and logical take out of any creator that
Speaker 1: I saw. There was nothing inflammatory, there was nothing that
Speaker 1: was belittling or anything. And he also said, and this
Speaker 1: is my favorite part, they should be more popular, more
Speaker 1: people should know who they are. I agree, Do I
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Speaker 2: Yeah, or else, yes or else I was going to say,
Speaker 2: or else, but you beat Yeah?
Speaker 3: What hang on? Bizarro Landber those were cities that are
Speaker 3: we going to those places?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna talk about on the show tomorrow. Okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got all the notes up for potential CEO experience
Speaker 1: places and face to face games, weekends and tour stops
Speaker 1: and stuff that we might plan to go to.
Speaker 3: That's exciting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Canadian Magic Tour. Lots of fun, Yes, lots
Speaker 1: of fun. And it's it's kind of like our own thing.
Speaker 1: Hey not you and ized thing?
Speaker 3: Well, it kind of is. We're the popular guys on it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Oh shots for Jesus.
Speaker 3: No, I don't see rogues passage have having us on
Speaker 3: for a signal steal my name you Fox?
Speaker 1: What's up? I want to see Brando versus Brando throwdown,
Speaker 1: Rogue's passage versus CCO versus. I don't know whoever else
Speaker 1: is in the pod.
Speaker 3: I'll bring a one.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about game changers in the list and
Speaker 1: changes that we could potentially make to the list and
Speaker 1: or our decks tomorrow. But I have something a little
Speaker 1: bit closer to home for you specifically today.
Speaker 3: Oh that's fun.
Speaker 1: I love me, but do you No?
Speaker 3: No, I try, I try.
Speaker 1: That's good. That's good. That's good. Everybody is worthy of love,
Speaker 1: even from yourself, even me.
Speaker 3: Even if it's just from yourself.
Speaker 1: We got our first look at mtg X Final Fantasy,
Speaker 1: and you are rock hard I hear.
Speaker 3: Yes, there's a ten thousand into seven.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and lots. Yeah. So here's the thing, though,
Speaker 1: we got our first look at legends. We got our
Speaker 1: first look at some of the alternate print forms like
Speaker 1: the booster or the box toppers or the full arts
Speaker 1: or the showcases or whatever. Nice. We got just a
Speaker 1: few random cards like uncommons and sagas and a couple
Speaker 1: of different legends.
Speaker 3: The sagas that are creatures are kind of neat.
Speaker 1: I think that it's cool. Yeah, a saga elemental enchantment creature,
Speaker 1: which is awesome, goes right along my enlightened and worldly
Speaker 1: tutors that I may or may not be playing in decks.
Speaker 2: Now that game changers exist, world not a game changer, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna use my worldly tutor totally not a game
Speaker 1: changer to totally find my enchantments now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, checks out.
Speaker 1: That is gamers gaming the game. What we also got, conception, Yes,
Speaker 1: what we also got was a list of MSRPs for
Speaker 1: the various final Fantasy products. And that's what I was saying,
Speaker 1: hits closer to home. Oh frin brand God, So I'll
Speaker 1: read you some prices and tell me give me like okay, okay,
Speaker 1: play Booster six ninety nine. Yeah, it's kind of like
Speaker 1: what they cost.
Speaker 3: Remember these are United States Freedom dollars. That's what ten
Speaker 3: bucks here?
Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah this Joe.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah yeah. So let's keep let's let's let's
Speaker 3: keep going here.
Speaker 1: Okay. If I was going to say six ninety nine
Speaker 1: for a play.
Speaker 2: Booster, I'd be like, good, that's okay.
Speaker 1: If I lived in the Land of the Free, yes, okay,
Speaker 1: collector Booster instead of like twenty nine to thirty two
Speaker 1: dollars thirty seven ninety.
Speaker 3: Nine, that's approximately forty five dollars, okay.
Speaker 1: And if we opened up like some foils and some
Speaker 1: cool alternate art printings, we could maybe ex back to
Speaker 1: over the course of an entire Collector Booster box, maybe
Speaker 1: break even on retail value, not trade in value, retail.
Speaker 3: Value hypothetically speaking, sure, and especially if the closest analog
Speaker 3: and this is what's going to become important as we
Speaker 3: kind of explore this set more.
Speaker 1: Our closest analog is the Lord of the Ring set,
Speaker 1: and we're about eighteen months post that release, and card
Speaker 1: prices from about the twelve month till now period of
Speaker 1: time have absolutely exploded, So I would expect sealed product
Speaker 1: for this eighteen months post release to also explode. Here's
Speaker 1: some MTG finance for everybody, but also individual card prices
Speaker 1: if you pre order at these lower prices to actually
Speaker 1: in the long run make you like financially.
Speaker 3: On, you will never recover.
Speaker 1: You don't think no, I think that you will.
Speaker 3: This is a standard set, okay, and it's going to
Speaker 3: be legal for three years, so you're not going to
Speaker 3: see the explosion of prices because the cards are going
Speaker 3: to be in circulation for three years old and nobody's
Speaker 3: gonna want to sit on a fucking ufie. Is it
Speaker 3: like three years until she's worth five bucks instead of none?
Speaker 1: Is it one print run like a lot of the
Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings stuff, or is it multiple print runs?
Speaker 1: Do we know that yet?
Speaker 3: I we don't know that yet. If you, if I
Speaker 3: had to wager a guess or venture a guess, I
Speaker 3: would say that the collector runs are probably gonna be
Speaker 3: one one of yeah, and then you're just gonna be
Speaker 3: able to get boxes for the rest of the time,
Speaker 3: and they'll probably do another run of of playlets much
Speaker 3: in the same way that they did with Loord of
Speaker 3: the Rings with the Holiday Boosters. Oh, I bet you
Speaker 3: they'll they'll do that again because that was a huge
Speaker 3: excitement generator for them.
Speaker 1: And the excitement that they'll generate now is to the
Speaker 1: tune of like twenty two hundred dollars sealed booster packs,
Speaker 1: like like two hundred dollars booster packs. That's crazy, and
Speaker 1: they're only about a year old or fourteen months old
Speaker 1: for the collector Holiday edition boosters specifically.
Speaker 3: Not that Watsie sees any of that. That's all aftermarket stuff.
Speaker 1: Yes, and we have to remember that. And that's why
Speaker 1: I say, if you buy at this MSRP, if there's
Speaker 1: no LGS tax on this, which there will be, there
Speaker 1: might be a little bit, and you might avoid it
Speaker 1: if you do pre order rights as sometimes you do,
Speaker 1: and over the course of a year, like if you're
Speaker 1: trying to collect, or if you collect sealed product, or
Speaker 1: even if you don't, and you look at some of
Speaker 1: the prices. Again to the Lord of the Rings stuff,
Speaker 1: the showcase scrolls, the holiday edition stuff, the Hildebrandt stuff.
Speaker 1: Some of that stuff has exploded in price. And if
Speaker 1: I had maybe like two of them, one was in
Speaker 1: a deck, I don't play the deck anymore and I
Speaker 1: offloaded it. Right. Maybe I paid six bucks for a
Speaker 1: booster pack, but there was one hundred dollars card in
Speaker 1: there a year later.
Speaker 3: If that, if those exist in this set, they probably
Speaker 3: will be you never know.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, next one Commander deck seventy bucks.
Speaker 3: That's one hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: Yes, And we've seen hundred dollars pre cons before multiple times.
Speaker 3: At this point, those were the ones where you had
Speaker 3: the the good one was one hundred bucks and the
Speaker 3: rest of them were sixty. So that was the LGS tax.
Speaker 3: That was the Fiendish markup so that people could get
Speaker 3: the deck that they wanted.
Speaker 1: Or like what we saw in Eighth or Drift, where
Speaker 1: everybody wants one and nobody wanted the other. So let's
Speaker 1: sell them as a two pack only for two hundred dollars,
Speaker 1: splitting the cost of like averaging them out to this
Speaker 1: is what they both cost. So maybe they'll see that again.
Speaker 1: I think we're getting four or five precons there's four
Speaker 1: four precons.
Speaker 3: There's a Final Fantasy's six, seven, ten, and I think
Speaker 3: fourteen are represented in.
Speaker 1: I'm totally gonna pretend I know what that means for
Speaker 1: the rest of my life.
Speaker 3: Sure numbered entries to get start that hard.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, Yeah, but there's like seven Final Fantasy sevens,
Speaker 1: Like which one? Or are they all the same? They're
Speaker 1: all the same, in which case why they all like.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, okay, it all makes sense.
Speaker 1: Commanders or no, sorry, collectors. Addition, Commander Deck one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty, so this would be an all foil version.
Speaker 3: That would be your two hundred dollars gimmick. Those will
Speaker 3: probably be the same deal as the Warhammer forty K.
Speaker 1: One Surge foil ones.
Speaker 3: I'm hoping that they're more easily attained than the forty
Speaker 3: two ones. Urlgs actually did really well and they got
Speaker 3: a bunch of the collectors of the Modern Horizons Commander decks.
Speaker 3: Still weird saying the modern set Commander decks, But I'm
Speaker 3: hoping that these follow that formula a little more where
Speaker 3: you can you can actually attain them and.
Speaker 1: Look at again, look at the suitable kind of analogs
Speaker 1: that we have. Warhammer forty K was the first version
Speaker 1: of that kind of product and only came out in
Speaker 1: Commander decks, compared to Modern Horizons was a full set
Speaker 1: with boosters and collector and Commander pre cons and everything. Yep, right,
Speaker 1: So I think this especially because a standard set will
Speaker 1: follow suit.
Speaker 3: Just hoping.
Speaker 1: I'll also say that the collector addition maybe with some
Speaker 1: unique foiling process. The Commander pre con only singles in
Speaker 1: that foiling process. Look out for the price dings on
Speaker 1: those cards.
Speaker 3: Well, if you look at the Modern Horizons ones as
Speaker 3: a indicator, not so much.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, look at the Warhammer forty k ones. Tell
Speaker 1: me what a foiled Geyerson Starnsworth.
Speaker 3: Well those were Those are differences are harder to get. Yes,
Speaker 3: front Initially we could actually go to our lgs today
Speaker 3: and buy a Modern Horizon three collector version of one
Speaker 3: of the decks. Yes, not the el Drasy one or
Speaker 3: the GoIF one, but the other two.
Speaker 1: We can Funny that everybody said that was the worst one.
Speaker 1: It's the one that we can't get Anyways. I really
Speaker 1: think that somewhere between like scarcity and price hiking of
Speaker 1: the forty K Surge foil decks and the a what
Speaker 1: do we call it modern horizons? Madi ho ho ho
Speaker 1: mady ho ho ho. Three decks is where we'll be
Speaker 1: and really for the sealed product that isn't command or
Speaker 1: pre cons We're gonna get there somewhere between where they're
Speaker 1: at now and where Lord of the Rings Holiday Collector's
Speaker 1: stuff is at now. That's that's where this will end.
Speaker 3: Hold onto your butts, is what Ryan's saying. Yes, and
Speaker 3: it's only going it was only getting more exciting from here.
Speaker 1: And I'm never one to say like get in now,
Speaker 1: you're gonna miss the boat, like like we're not a
Speaker 1: finance podcast. Don't buy the dip all the shit, right,
Speaker 1: But if other things are kind of an indicator, I
Speaker 1: think that these prices aren't that outrageous, but they will
Speaker 1: get that way. Yes, Now, Assassin's creed Ah doesn't follow
Speaker 1: that trend line, no, right.
Speaker 3: Doctor who needed a doctor who or followed follow kind
Speaker 3: of kind of but follow it was a suit again,
Speaker 3: very limited in where you could get it. When you
Speaker 3: could get it. I still barely ever see it. We're
Speaker 3: at events, you just don't see it anywhere. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: so scarcity might play a role in that one as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Next one here, and scarcity, I don't think because
Speaker 1: this is a standard product won't be an issue. Shouldn't
Speaker 1: be an issue at least on Boosters, at least on boosterses. Okay,
Speaker 1: next one bundle seventy bucks. That's a hundred bucks. I
Speaker 1: don't think that that's outrageous. I think a regular bundle
Speaker 1: for us in Canada is like anywhere between seventy five
Speaker 1: and ninety dollars. Yeah, and this one will be one
Speaker 1: hundred to one hundred and five. Yeah, like that's more money.
Speaker 1: Of course it is, but it's like, I don't think
Speaker 1: that that's outrageous.
Speaker 3: Get your your jumbo cactar.
Speaker 1: And here's the thing. A gift bundle is that like
Speaker 1: a is that like a finish line bundle or an
Speaker 1: all will be bundle?
Speaker 3: Correct?
Speaker 1: The gift bundle only eighty nine bucks.
Speaker 2: That's one hundred and twenty bucks.
Speaker 3: That's what they was called. That's what they cost. Anyway.
Speaker 3: The bundless a good deal. The bundles and stuff are
Speaker 3: actually quite reasonable, strangely reasonable.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get your final fantasy art lands in the bundles.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get your final fantasy dice. For people who
Speaker 1: care about that you're gonna get your final fantasy deck
Speaker 1: box for people who care about that, like, this might
Speaker 1: be the way to go bundles. I think so.
Speaker 4: Actually, I was talking with the LGS guy, uh yesterday,
Speaker 4: we'll just say it was yesterday to keep things current,
Speaker 4: and he said that what a couple of people did
Speaker 4: with a thro drift was instead of buying boxes, they
Speaker 4: bought a uh not bundleworth the starter.
Speaker 1: Gimmicks pre release kids.
Speaker 3: He bought a number of pre release kits equal to
Speaker 3: what it would cost for a box, and you ended
Speaker 3: up with getting two extra packs plus all those like
Speaker 3: guaranteed foil wraars.
Speaker 1: Oh, you get the same number of packs because there's
Speaker 1: six six packs, get two more. Oh, there you go,
Speaker 1: and finally we get a starter kit. I'm not a
Speaker 1: hundred percent sure what that means.
Speaker 3: I think that's the when I look at like the
Speaker 3: product page where has like the picture of all of them,
Speaker 3: there's like a cloud versus sepher off starter deck.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, yeah, this is like the Airgorn and Arwin
Speaker 1: web versus surn the lidless eye. Yeah, that's what those are.
Speaker 1: And yeah, we'll watch for the cards in there because
Speaker 1: sour on the Lidless Eye is a thirty dollars card
Speaker 1: and these bundles used to be nineteen dollars, so it's like, right,
Speaker 1: I open up a foil sur on lidless Oh no,
Speaker 1: a widescreen salar on lidless Eye in my collector box.
Speaker 1: Neat money, yea, and I kill people with it because
Speaker 1: I'm the bad guy. Yeah so, man, some some things now.
Speaker 3: Prices aside. I'm super pumped for this set. I do.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna make my I'm gonna say it now so
Speaker 3: I can get out of the way. I'm a little
Speaker 3: sad that the Final Fantasy six themed Commander deck is
Speaker 3: Mardo colors because I don't really like to play Mardo
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna have to because that's the one that
Speaker 3: I want. That's the one that they printed and said
Speaker 3: we can do whatever we want and Branda will buy it,
Speaker 3: and they're right.
Speaker 1: And you're a freaking nerd.
Speaker 3: I'm a nerd and they got me. They got me.
Speaker 1: You love Final Fantasy and you love that character. I
Speaker 1: know because I painted or on a land for you
Speaker 1: one time. And you're like, I'm gonna play this deck
Speaker 1: even though I don't like it, and I think it
Speaker 1: costs too much, but I don't care because I'm financially
Speaker 1: irresponsible because I'm addicted to cardboard crack. That's a fucking
Speaker 1: nerd exactly.
Speaker 3: So they figured out the formula. They figured out the formula.
Speaker 3: At least me spend some money, damn it.
Speaker 2: Well, I just have to get some money money, yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: very cool.
Speaker 1: Well hey listen, ah, when you look at the price
Speaker 1: of a Collector booster and it's gonna be five hundred dollars,
Speaker 1: I don't like that. No, But when I look at
Speaker 1: a gift bundle or a regular bundle and say, hey,
Speaker 1: this is an okay amount of mad product to get
Speaker 1: and buy, and I get a box to bring to
Speaker 1: the LGS with my decks in it, because I still
Speaker 1: do that because I'm a fucking nerd. For like eighty
Speaker 1: or a hundred bucks, I'm like, hey, that's not that bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if it's just about opening sheer number of packs too.
Speaker 1: You get like.
Speaker 2: Eight in a bundle and you get only twelve in
Speaker 2: a collector Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right. So it's like, I don't know.
Speaker 3: But think of the excitement, I know, think of the
Speaker 3: exciting porderless tawnberry kink. Baby, you don't know what that is,
Speaker 3: but it's gonna be so cool.
Speaker 1: Also, I didn't even know Cactarist from Final Fantasy.
Speaker 2: Oh you fucking got I know.
Speaker 1: I'm such a loser man, you suck man.
Speaker 3: The only thing that could have made that card more
Speaker 3: flavorfuly awesome is if he had that thing where it
Speaker 3: can't be blocked by creatures, felt flying or something. If
Speaker 3: you had some kind of evasion too, because kactars very
Speaker 3: rare to find, very difficult to physically hit with your sword.
Speaker 1: Oh, because they're speedy and they're moving all around. I like,
Speaker 1: I like something like one hundred handed one. If he's monstrous,
Speaker 1: you can block ninety nine extra creatures, yes, Cactar, if
Speaker 1: he's if he's got his plus n ninety nine because
Speaker 1: we're playing you gih, he can I don't know, block
Speaker 1: that many creatures, or she can block a thousand creatures
Speaker 1: or something. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Ten thousand, ten thousand creatures, ten thousand needles, man, that's
Speaker 3: his move. Dumbo characters are the sort of little Gary.
Speaker 1: Ten thousand needles that sounds like when I'm.
Speaker 3: Pops out of the ground and he goes like a
Speaker 3: bunch of needles, shoot out of him, and they all
Speaker 3: hit you for one damage, but there's ten thousand of them,
Speaker 3: and then your guy dies.
Speaker 1: I was gonna make a I was gonna make a
Speaker 1: sex joke about myself.
Speaker 3: Why what he said? But you'd only be sitting on
Speaker 3: one very small one, not like finding a needle in
Speaker 3: a haystack.
Speaker 1: Also like when I cover up with blankets. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go I'm really sweaty. The furnace was on. We've got
Speaker 1: episode four hundred and eighty to talk able brackets and
Speaker 1: some future CCO experiences that I'm excited about. Hit our
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