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Speaker 2: My name is Jeff Luddington. I am It's from Eugene, Oregon.
Speaker 2: I currently live in Oklahoma City. I've lived in thirty
Speaker 2: seven states around the country. I traveled selling roofing when
Speaker 2: I was younger and ended up traveling in a lot
Speaker 2: of places, so I got around the country a bit.
Speaker 2: The only place I really didn't make it was the
Speaker 2: East Coast or northern East Coast there in Dakotas. I
Speaker 2: really kind of would like to go there. So I
Speaker 2: also currently been through a lot of surgery, so I
Speaker 2: haven't been working a lot in ore getting out to
Speaker 2: go squatching a big footing out in the areas I
Speaker 2: like to go. Some of my conversations lately have ben
Speaker 2: to go to a place called Sulfur, Oklahoma. It's well
Speaker 2: known well I've heard that there's five different tribes of
Speaker 2: bigfoot around Sulfur area. It's a giant park. It has
Speaker 2: fresh springs of water, which they love. If anybody knows
Speaker 2: anything about bigfoot at all, you'll know that. So if
Speaker 2: you have a spring on your property, go looking for footprints,
Speaker 2: because that's what the gentleman from Washington did who died.
Speaker 2: But his video got out there because he stalked that
Speaker 2: spring because he knew they were drinking out of it.
Speaker 2: They love that spring water. So anybody interested in catching
Speaker 2: one on a video, put it to your non infrared.
Speaker 2: They don't like infrared, we found out, So yeah, just
Speaker 2: take put a tape, put a little belief piece of
Speaker 2: black tape over your infrared on your camera and take
Speaker 2: care of it. But these cameras once they hear your
Speaker 2: car coming up the road, and it only takes I
Speaker 2: don't know, I mean the hearing. And you know, the
Speaker 2: speculation of them having spotters is specially if we don't
Speaker 2: know that enough enough about him to know that. I
Speaker 2: say we because I am up on everything. I've you know,
Speaker 2: texted Melvic tetch him the other day. Doctor her and
Speaker 2: what's going on with her and all the slanderous stuff
Speaker 2: that happened to her and how terrible it was for her.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if anybody knows her name, but
Speaker 2: her her history is I've got a little bit of
Speaker 2: touching base with some of the testing that went on
Speaker 2: when her lab tested DNA. From what I found out
Speaker 2: is there's actually a dog man and a big DNA,
Speaker 2: both of them exists. I didn't see the reports myself,
Speaker 2: Like I can't say that I read anything. I just
Speaker 2: this is second head knowledge. But I had been in
Speaker 2: contact with the person over the years named Stan Courtney,
Speaker 2: who is also a BFR investigator for the BFRO for
Speaker 2: the state of Illinois. He covers well his goal, he
Speaker 2: told me, and Stan was from my home home state
Speaker 2: of Oregon, Oregon. He grew up in a college of
Speaker 2: seven years older than I was. But anyway, he his
Speaker 2: goal for the state of Illinois was to document a
Speaker 2: bigfoot sighting in every county of Illinois, and he is
Speaker 2: on a roll. I didn't look at his map lately,
Speaker 2: but anybody wants to go check out stan stite, feel
Speaker 2: free because a lot of things that Stan's done is
Speaker 2: very good information. It's free information for y'all to go
Speaker 2: and look at and listen to. Because Stan was an
Speaker 2: audio expert. Stan Courtney was on one of the Bigfoot
Speaker 2: BFROO shows where they interviewed him and he played a
Speaker 2: sound recording he had caught up in the Springfield, Illinois area,
Speaker 2: and actually one of the news channels ran it on
Speaker 2: their starters, the news channel, the beginning of every news channel,
Speaker 2: and the evening news. So I thought that was funny.
Speaker 2: You can still hear it if you want to put
Speaker 2: in Springfield Howler. I think it's called because there was
Speaker 2: an Ohio Howler call that was out there for years
Speaker 2: and years and it's an odd one. But this one
Speaker 2: similar but not the same. None of them are ever
Speaker 2: the same. These creatures very just like people. When I
Speaker 2: was a kid in Oregon, I my parents were very active.
Speaker 2: We snowski, we were fished in lakes, We went to
Speaker 2: you know, rivers fishing. We were up cracking dawn every day,
Speaker 2: like in the summer doing something. It was just as
Speaker 2: a kid. It was on their run constantly. With my parents,
Speaker 2: they were very active. But the other thing about my parents,
Speaker 2: they were young. My mother had me into eighteen, so
Speaker 2: that made it very fun. I mean not for me actually,
Speaker 2: but for them. I remember sitting in forest alone, Dad saying,
Speaker 2: sit right here on the stuff for a bit, we'll
Speaker 2: be back. You know, it's just stick forest around me.
Speaker 2: And now that the stories I hear about missing children,
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, gees, you know, I could have been one
Speaker 2: of them kids, you know, the Missing four to one one.
Speaker 2: But anyway, I grew up snow skiing and we used
Speaker 2: to go these Warren Miller ski movies. I don't know
Speaker 2: if anybody's seen these movies, but there's some spectacular ski
Speaker 2: movies to watch. There's slow motion most of them. There's
Speaker 2: great background music. It's all choreographed, really fine filming. It's
Speaker 2: so so nice. We used to see watched, you know,
Speaker 2: every time it came out. It was in a theater,
Speaker 2: a stand up theater. One time I remember there. We
Speaker 2: were watching it. It probably thirty minutes, and after it ended,
Speaker 2: everybody still stood there and I was thinking, oh, we're leaving.
Speaker 2: That was probably five. I don't remember the age exactly,
Speaker 2: but it had just come out. And prior to this,
Speaker 2: at some point, my dad had the Theerra sounds on
Speaker 2: a recording at home. Back in shoot. I was five,
Speaker 2: so I was sixty two, you know, sixty seven we're
Speaker 2: looking at My dad was heavily. He had a recording
Speaker 2: you see her sounds. You know. I wish I had
Speaker 2: asked Ron Warhead when I met him, and he knew
Speaker 2: somebody from Oregon, because he sure got that thing out,
Speaker 2: you know, and also while I'm standing in the standards,
Speaker 2: here comes the Patty film, the black and white Patty
Speaker 2: film played there right in front of us. And I
Speaker 2: have to tell you know, I've told this before, but
Speaker 2: the reaction from the crowd. You know, there's probably fifty
Speaker 2: one hundred people in this packed room, and as soon
Speaker 2: as you saw her body coming across the screen and
Speaker 2: my eyes, you know, I don't know if I did
Speaker 2: the same thing. I just remember the whole room going.
Speaker 2: It was just an inhale like that. And I just
Speaker 2: I remember as a child thinking, oh God, this thing Israel.
Speaker 2: Because my parents, you know, they stand around talking to
Speaker 2: their friends in a heavy conversation, and i'd hear later
Speaker 2: or I wanted to know exactly what was going on,
Speaker 2: I'd go over and ask my mom. So you say, oh,
Speaker 2: we're just talking about it big hairy man who lives
Speaker 2: in the forest. If you go back to a conversation. Well,
Speaker 2: that conversation later on, I found out was about their friends,
Speaker 2: and they were very heavily. They were like for of
Speaker 2: them just jammed together, just rattling away about this story.
Speaker 2: And their friends had come around the corner in Crow, Oregon,
Speaker 2: off a Crow road, just outside of Eugene, towards the coast,
Speaker 2: kind of towards the coast, and they lived out in
Speaker 2: the mountains. They had built a log cabin, had a
Speaker 2: real nice place. Anyway, they were coming home and on
Speaker 2: this tea road you know where the road came to,
Speaker 2: not a tea road, I'm sorry, a ninety degree turn.
Speaker 2: There stood behind the guardrail what they described to my
Speaker 2: parents as a large, hairy, giant, humanoid looking creature that
Speaker 2: ran off. So when I heard that, my ears as
Speaker 2: a child perk up, you know, because I'm out forest.
Speaker 2: I was fishing with my parents all the time, and
Speaker 2: I'm I'd never had a fear I even though I'd
Speaker 2: seen this video of this preacher. I don't know. I
Speaker 2: got a little older, and later on went to the
Speaker 2: state fair. Was about I guess I was about ten,
Speaker 2: and my mom had dropped me off, and never forget it.
Speaker 2: I was trying to find my friends and I was
Speaker 2: on the back of aisle of some tent and I'm
Speaker 2: thinking later on this guy was stuck in the back aisle.
Speaker 2: They didn't put him out front, but come to find
Speaker 2: out later on, this was the Minnesota Iceman that I
Speaker 2: had encountered at the fair of that time. And the
Speaker 2: guy it was the guy I've seen pictures of him.
Speaker 2: They showed his pictures. It was the man who originally
Speaker 2: owned this body from wherever he got it. The story's
Speaker 2: buried for the iceman, and you can look those up
Speaker 2: and read them, tons of them. But I got to
Speaker 2: see this thing up close, and that's the closest I've
Speaker 2: ever been to Bigfoot, to tell you the truth, that
Speaker 2: was a big foot, and to me, the size of
Speaker 2: it looked juvenile. The junk wasn't very big, the eye
Speaker 2: sockets weren't as big as the one I saw staring
Speaker 2: at me one night for twenty minutes. There was blood
Speaker 2: in the eye socket. The hand was up on the
Speaker 2: forehead above the head. I think it was the right
Speaker 2: or left hand. I'm not sure. The other one was down.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how the hands were situated exactly. From now,
Speaker 2: all I remember was the ice was kind of thick
Speaker 2: and it was a little blurry, but you could see
Speaker 2: the hair was very thin on this ice man creature.
Speaker 2: And I remember he said, hey, you want to see
Speaker 2: a monster. I looked up at him, thinking, yeah, why not.
Speaker 2: It's in the fair, right it's safe. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: not somebody's gonna jump out. I think at first I
Speaker 2: thought he had because up on the wall of the
Speaker 2: booth and it was one of those you know, traveling
Speaker 2: trackling truck things. They had a little walkway, you know
Speaker 2: when you flip everything open and then you got your
Speaker 2: your booth open and everybody can walk up the walkway. Well,
Speaker 2: it was real thin stairway, but up on the wall
Speaker 2: to the right, to the left, there was a giant
Speaker 2: nine foot claws and fangs, bigfoot with blood, I think
Speaker 2: even dripping from the teeth. I looked at that, thinking, well,
Speaker 2: that's not what I saw in the creek, you know,
Speaker 2: at the theater, you know, the black and white one.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm thinking that looks nothing like what we saw.
Speaker 2: I didn't do anything like that, you know. So the
Speaker 2: sensationalism that he was blasting out on his trailer was
Speaker 2: pretty pretty comical. And a lot of this I find comical.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I have to left, but I'll try and
Speaker 2: tell that down. Yeah, the Iceman, Minnesota. Iceman was probably
Speaker 2: the closest. I have to say. Well, I don't know
Speaker 2: exactly because the night that I was closest to and
Speaker 2: I'll tell you in a bit when we get to that.
Speaker 2: But I was alone in the dark two thur in
Speaker 2: the morning and the crisp November twenty third. It was
Speaker 2: about you know, no leaves or crunchy. Well it was
Speaker 2: very cold. Anyway, Uh, I want to get your adrenaline going.
Speaker 2: Every time you go out to do this, get your
Speaker 2: adrenaline going. This is one thing that it attracts a
Speaker 2: lot of people do this. It's not me. I'll tell
Speaker 2: you what attracts me to this is that I a
Speaker 2: kind of realization I do not want to see this
Speaker 2: thing close up, face to face. But is that what
Speaker 2: it's going to take. I just was talking to our
Speaker 2: host and telling him earlier that I had a chance
Speaker 2: to speak to this creature and or one of them
Speaker 2: that I had been encountering in Illinois at the bottom.
Speaker 2: I uh, will that one gets me going anyway? Maybe
Speaker 2: I'll just tell that one. I really it was my
Speaker 2: only encounter alone and I never will do it again.
Speaker 2: And I'll just give this advice to everyone listening to
Speaker 2: this that I don't advise it. I don't know. I
Speaker 2: don't know how new you are. You all been to this,
Speaker 2: this story, this stuff, but you know this, it's anyway.
Speaker 2: Ah So my encounters started in the bottom of Illinois
Speaker 2: with a guy from Warwick Heat and I worked together
Speaker 2: for months and one day I've been watching something on
Speaker 2: the bf R and I said, hey, yeah, you gotta
Speaker 2: hear the story. He says, what it wasn't We weren't
Speaker 2: on the clock. You were just sitting there drinking some coffee,
Speaker 2: waiting for the clock, and you just start working. I said, well,
Speaker 2: I was listening to this, watching this, reading this story
Speaker 2: on the b f R about these recent fires in California,
Speaker 2: and it was recent. You know that he knew what
Speaker 2: I was talking about. In Menncino County and out there
Speaker 2: there were tons of fires going on back and I
Speaker 2: don't know. I guess it was ninety I didn't want
Speaker 2: to guess. Anyway, the story came out of Mennsino County
Speaker 2: and how it went was, there's thirteen cars in this
Speaker 2: freeway five later and how came this bigfoot running out
Speaker 2: on two legs out in front of this guy. He
Speaker 2: was the first car. He was the one that reported it,
Speaker 2: but he said there was over thirteen cars behind him
Speaker 2: that had stopped to see this thing. Crossing the freeway
Speaker 2: and the smoke it came out of the fire area,
Speaker 2: had this California fire and it had to crossed the
Speaker 2: freeway from anyway. So I tell the story, and all
Speaker 2: you know, he gets real quiet, and he didn't say anything,
Speaker 2: didn't say oh, that's neither wow, that's we didn't even
Speaker 2: call him that. He just I seen him kind of
Speaker 2: go back, you know. And that's what happened to people
Speaker 2: when you start mentioning these things, is that an encounter
Speaker 2: by the river turns into an encountered by the river.
Speaker 2: That wasn't really the neighbors throwing rocks that team, you know,
Speaker 2: it was one of these creatures because it followed you
Speaker 2: down there. They can hear you coming miles away, and
Speaker 2: so many newer cars are quiet. Yeah, but they still
Speaker 2: can't hear things. They're very good. They're hearings. Are hearings
Speaker 2: very good. But he starts to tell me this. I
Speaker 2: got to tell you something. I said, Okay. He says,
Speaker 2: down by the river. I said, you mean down right
Speaker 2: down here by the river, right and down in the
Speaker 2: city limits. He's like, yeah, I said, okay. He says, well,
Speaker 2: my wife and I her argue and then we Yeah,
Speaker 2: I took off go talk to my mom. She lives.
Speaker 2: She lived right across the river from the railroad tracks.
Speaker 2: He was right there. You can see the river from
Speaker 2: her house. Nice brand new two story, you know, half
Speaker 2: a million dollar brick home he built on this cult
Speaker 2: the sack right by this well. It was a big
Speaker 2: foot hangout to what I'm gonna call it. But I
Speaker 2: used to go there. I mean, when I found out
Speaker 2: it was hanging out there, and it would just not
Speaker 2: go away. And this is what made me think these
Speaker 2: creatures are not that elusive. I thought this one might
Speaker 2: be retarded. I mean, as many times as it wanted
Speaker 2: to tell me it was down there in the ways
Speaker 2: it did. I'm not stupid, and I'm not I mean,
Speaker 2: I have some what death, I do have my dumb moments,
Speaker 2: but when it comes to these creatures in the wild,
Speaker 2: I have not the greatest of ears. So I have
Speaker 2: to tell people sometimes, hey, man, if he hears something,
Speaker 2: and let me know. And sure enough, that happened one
Speaker 2: time down there, there's four of us walking out of
Speaker 2: that Saint Mary where I first he had encountered and
Speaker 2: you go to his his uh actually encounter I had,
Speaker 2: you know, encouraged him to report it, you know, because
Speaker 2: I was into the BFRO at the time, and Stan
Speaker 2: Courtney was, you know, a guy I ran into through
Speaker 2: this story and it was BFR report number two four
Speaker 2: nine ninety seven out of Clinton County, Illinois. So if
Speaker 2: you go back to read that story, you'll find the details.
Speaker 2: But once there was some details that aren't in the
Speaker 2: story that I'll say now I may encourage you to
Speaker 2: read the story because he told me that he could
Speaker 2: not put in there that he saw two hands rise
Speaker 2: above its head that looks human, two arms that looked human.
Speaker 2: They were extremely long. But his encounter was a scream.
Speaker 2: He got roared at and it scared him to death.
Speaker 2: It scared him so bad. I could barely get him
Speaker 2: to go down there in the daytime, but I wanted
Speaker 2: him and Stan and I to go down there and
Speaker 2: see the tree that this thing had leaped out of.
Speaker 2: When it screamed at him, it had raised its arm
Speaker 2: above his head, straight up above its head. It had
Speaker 2: its back to him. But when it looked over at him,
Speaker 2: I don't know how these things turned their heads with
Speaker 2: the way their structure is, but it must have been
Speaker 2: facing him, because later on I figured out this tree
Speaker 2: was facing down to the spillway where the dam was,
Speaker 2: and it must have had a girlfriend, because either that
Speaker 2: it was watching the fish hit the water and then
Speaker 2: waiting for him to come by, and then I don't know,
Speaker 2: that seems like a quarter mile away to be watching.
Speaker 2: But I did find out that there was a there
Speaker 2: was a family of them on the other side. And
Speaker 2: there's a few things I can tell you. I know why.
Speaker 2: I know that there's some people that I ran into
Speaker 2: delivering some food over there. One night. I knew there
Speaker 2: was something going on down this ditch, and I told
Speaker 2: the guy hang, but this thing screamed at him and
Speaker 2: scared him to death. He ran home, and he only
Speaker 2: lived a quarter mile down the river there or by
Speaker 2: the lake. This is my big lake called the Lake
Speaker 2: Carlisle in Illinois, and this lake's twelve miles long. And
Speaker 2: I found these creatures clear to the end of it.
Speaker 2: They were way up top on the very very start
Speaker 2: where the water come into the lake. I used to well,
Speaker 2: I was drawn there by a story called the Hairy
Speaker 2: Lady Bridge. I'm like I found this out from some
Speaker 2: teenagers that well, they were grown high schoolers that had
Speaker 2: told me the story through the high school that lay
Speaker 2: the screaming Hairy Lady Bridge. I'm like, huh, what I
Speaker 2: could believe it? I was stunned. I'm like, I didn't
Speaker 2: even believe that. I ran upon this story and then
Speaker 2: I started running into the witnesses. I cracked him down
Speaker 2: and got first hand account to what happened. So this
Speaker 2: story never even made it to the bfrro, never made
Speaker 2: it online. And it's an awesome story. But this counter,
Speaker 2: the first encounter that drewny to that area was from
Speaker 2: my friend and this guy work us. So he ran
Speaker 2: home and scared to death. And it was the BFR
Speaker 2: Report two four nine ninety seven if you want to
Speaker 2: read it, because it's his story. But the one thing
Speaker 2: he left out was some hands going above the head.
Speaker 2: And the other thing he left out was I can't
Speaker 2: remember that. I'll have to bring it back. But the
Speaker 2: hands above the head he couldn't tell because he didn't
Speaker 2: I don't know. When I saw it leaping away from me,
Speaker 2: it looked like a deer, and that's kind of an
Speaker 2: impress Well, when I told him what I saw later
Speaker 2: months later I told him about my counter, he started
Speaker 2: lappen because I said, this looked like butt cheeks and
Speaker 2: legs sing away from us. And I've described it as that,
Speaker 2: you know, a character from Looney Tunes, the Harry, but
Speaker 2: with the eyes and the red Tennessees from Bugs, Bunny's buddy.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't forget his name alien anyway, you
Speaker 2: know a guy I'm talking about. So I joke about
Speaker 2: it because that's really kind of all we saw. But
Speaker 2: I find it fascinating also because this creature was doing
Speaker 2: some ninja moves that I'd never heard of anybody talking
Speaker 2: about during bigfoot encounters. So I was a little reluctant
Speaker 2: to tell the story. But then I got to think of, hey,
Speaker 2: you gotta tell them. We are people out there encountering
Speaker 2: these creatures, and we're there for a reason. Is to
Speaker 2: tell what happened, because other people may encounter this and have,
Speaker 2: oh a breakthrough. Whoa, he saw the same thing. Now,
Speaker 2: I don't feel like I was seeing things. So I
Speaker 2: don't mind telling the truth, and I don't mind the
Speaker 2: exact true, and I don't care. I don't care what
Speaker 2: people say to me. I don't care what they think.
Speaker 2: I've been doing this long enough, just like Rickyochet is
Speaker 2: off my back, do you too? Thank you for giving
Speaker 2: me the opportunity to tell you something about what you
Speaker 2: don't know? You know, And if they listen, you know,
Speaker 2: it's great. But if they don't, then I walk away.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to force anybody to be a believer
Speaker 2: in in this crazy line of stuff that I do.
Speaker 2: I just I My first thought when I he told
Speaker 2: me his story about it screaming at him, was oh lord,
Speaker 2: you know. And more happened to him later, This thing
Speaker 2: had followed him home. And I'll tell you what happened later.
Speaker 2: But anyway, so this proceeded into three months later. I
Speaker 2: get out there on fortunly, get off work on Friday night.
Speaker 2: You know, it's fortunely weekend, and I think fortunely was
Speaker 2: that set like Saturday, and we just happened to I
Speaker 2: got off work at eleven, and I went over to
Speaker 2: my friend's house and we drank a couple of Hiller
Speaker 2: lights and I got their courage up. They got their
Speaker 2: courage up. All of a sudden, we're into the bridge
Speaker 2: where the river tracks are where he is encounter. I'm
Speaker 2: taking them down there. We were heading over the we
Speaker 2: get down there, we head over the river tracks just
Speaker 2: like he did illegally. There's still live rabo tracks. I
Speaker 2: mean they were tracks and you can get caught on.
Speaker 2: It was i'd say a hundred feet long. It'd be
Speaker 2: a run, but you could see straight down along with distances,
Speaker 2: so we weren't worried about You could see a light
Speaker 2: coming and you had plenty of time to get across.
Speaker 2: But it's still harry And the hairiest part was no flashlights.
Speaker 2: I never use flashlights doing this people. If you do,
Speaker 2: you just chase them away. They don't like lights. Go
Speaker 2: in there like them. They feel more comfortable. And if
Speaker 2: you repeat your actions in your area or your house
Speaker 2: behind her, whatever you're doing, just keep your key the
Speaker 2: same actions. Don't don't be meandering around looking for their
Speaker 2: prints and all that yet. Just let's get to know
Speaker 2: their area, you know area, and just let them feel
Speaker 2: comfortable with you. That's what I figured out is that
Speaker 2: I had to keep doing the same thing over and over.
Speaker 2: So what I did was when I went with people
Speaker 2: down there after my first encounter and I'll get to die,
Speaker 2: I would do that. I just repeat the same actions
Speaker 2: over and over with different people, which led to you
Speaker 2: my last encounter being alone with it and that scared
Speaker 2: me to death because I thought it was going to
Speaker 2: kill me because I took so many people down there.
Speaker 2: But my next encounter going down there, I mean or
Speaker 2: me going down with these people over the road tracks.
Speaker 2: It was a kid named j d. It was a
Speaker 2: eighteen year old high school student and a guy that
Speaker 2: I Chris, no last name, but so we head over
Speaker 2: and I asked Chris to record. I said, hey, turn
Speaker 2: on your iphe want to record this. You know, he
Speaker 2: did audio, he didn't do any video. Unfortunately, if he
Speaker 2: would have switched his audio over to recording at the
Speaker 2: moment we needed it, it would have been amazing to see.
Speaker 2: Because what happened after we got over there was the
Speaker 2: three of us walked over and went to I realized
Speaker 2: that the water from the dam had been opened, so
Speaker 2: there was water down there. I couldn't do what my
Speaker 2: friend had done. He had gone down the rift wrap,
Speaker 2: gone down underneath the tracks and walked on the ground
Speaker 2: down there. But this time the bridge had opened, that
Speaker 2: the dam had been opened, so the and then later
Speaker 2: on I figured out why this thing was hanging out there,
Speaker 2: and this was one of the reasons is because the
Speaker 2: dam opens and the water rises in the spot, and
Speaker 2: I started analyzing my spot later on, but I'll get
Speaker 2: to that. So, uh, we realized, you know, I'm a
Speaker 2: little upset because I wanted to go down and walk
Speaker 2: on the ground and have it scream atters. That's what
Speaker 2: I was looking forward to. What I didn't understand by
Speaker 2: looking is that the tree wasn't very far from where
Speaker 2: we were standing where he went down on the opposite side.
Speaker 2: But he may have been real quiet and it just
Speaker 2: didn't hear him. Anyway, it was up on this tree
Speaker 2: fifteen to twelve we measured there was twelve thirteen twelve
Speaker 2: to thirteen foot up where it was sitting hunched over.
Speaker 2: He said it was when he saw it was standing up.
Speaker 2: It well, it stood up, but he said, I don't know.
Speaker 2: He didn't really say. Maybe he says in the story
Speaker 2: yet to be a Furr report, but anyway, he anyway,
Speaker 2: so I'm a little upset at that point. I'm saying, well,
Speaker 2: let's go, let's head that. And I said, first, let's
Speaker 2: walk to where the tree is. Let's get in line
Speaker 2: with the tree and look over there and see if
Speaker 2: we can see anything or if we see in the water.
Speaker 2: It was so much water that water. When it rose
Speaker 2: in there was just noisy. There was a little sticks wobbling,
Speaker 2: leaves and things dripping, and it's just making tons of
Speaker 2: noise down still, it was very whiet. Otherwise there's no
Speaker 2: I don't make foot without silence. Just a little fyi. People,
Speaker 2: you understand what I mean. If you ever get out there,
Speaker 2: you're going to say, wow, this is terrible. These trees
Speaker 2: are creaking and the wind is blowing and I can't
Speaker 2: hear anything, and you will turn around go home, and
Speaker 2: you'll never go back if you don't try again when
Speaker 2: it's quiet and you have to go. And just a
Speaker 2: little recommendation, go after the bar's clothes, Go after the
Speaker 2: traffic stop. Go during a weekday on a Wednesday at
Speaker 2: two thirty when nobody's out in school days, schools, people
Speaker 2: are at school and people work and they're sleeping. You know,
Speaker 2: don't don't think that you anyway. Don't go alone. There's
Speaker 2: my only thing to tell you. But little joke. Right.
Speaker 2: But so here we are and I'm looking where he
Speaker 2: had seen it leap out of this tree. I didn't
Speaker 2: see anything. So we had back standing on the trestles,
Speaker 2: the railroad trestles where he had come over and there's
Speaker 2: these pillars under there, and there's probably I don't know
Speaker 2: five six of them are giant. This trestle was made
Speaker 2: and hundred ye over one hundred years ago, and evidently
Speaker 2: there was a story about the train's head on at
Speaker 2: this intersection. I don't know some story about ghosts, so
Speaker 2: I think it has to do with big Foot. So
Speaker 2: if you have me ghost stories out there, people and
Speaker 2: looks them up, man, because I see, I'll tell you
Speaker 2: some other hints about these ghost shows that I've been
Speaker 2: seeing on TV and what you see on these lots
Speaker 2: of good stuff about big Foot on the ghost shows.
Speaker 2: So I'll talk about that a little bit. So back
Speaker 2: to the pillars. So these pillars are very vital in
Speaker 2: the situation because I had these pillars come into another
Speaker 2: case where I took somebody down there and the pillar
Speaker 2: it jumped up on a pillar. And the only reason
Speaker 2: I know that is because I seen the big toe
Speaker 2: it leaped off. And these says are so strong, you know.
Speaker 2: I had a guy Robert Krider on line of a
Speaker 2: lot of people know that name Robert Creiter. He was
Speaker 2: he had photoed and measured footprints that went from running
Speaker 2: to sprinting and turned into the running from foot, you know,
Speaker 2: a whole foot to two or three toes at thirty
Speaker 2: feet a leap. So it's a pretty cool story. You
Speaker 2: love Robert Crider on out there. He's a great research
Speaker 2: in my opinion, he gets to some great stuff out
Speaker 2: there in New Mexico. So in the New Mexico four
Speaker 2: Corners areas where he's I think he's a treasure hunder.
Speaker 2: But Robert Crider is very popular right now. So anyway,
Speaker 2: I like talking about him because he has some good stuff.
Speaker 2: But he's been close to him too, and I don't
Speaker 2: know about a loan. Usually he doesn't go alone. I
Speaker 2: think he's his girlfriend goes with them most of the times.
Speaker 2: He's the camera girling. That's great because I wish I
Speaker 2: had one that would have and even better stuff I have,
Speaker 2: I could have got some actual things on recorded. I'm
Speaker 2: terrible at just trying to do this and record with
Speaker 2: my adrenaline. Am I shaking? Anyway? I've gone out recorded things.
Speaker 2: It's just very subtle daytime stuff. But the things I've
Speaker 2: been through that they didn't get videoed or pictures of
Speaker 2: are the hairy, scary stuff I actually got one, the
Speaker 2: hairy arius and scariest. The lone incident was recorded. I
Speaker 2: do have that. I might even have pulled it up.
Speaker 2: Maybe we can do another day. I actually have it recorded,
Speaker 2: and I'll tell you what happened there. But let me
Speaker 2: get to that. So here we are standing on one
Speaker 2: of these pillars, these giant pillars, underneath the road tracks.
Speaker 2: Three of us. One kid's facing towards the freeway. There's
Speaker 2: two lane the highway fifty there goes. He's looking at
Speaker 2: the boat docks in the lake or the spillway and
Speaker 2: the dam. We're looking downstream. There's nothing to see and
Speaker 2: just set for the reflects to the moon or whatever
Speaker 2: was going on. But we're standing there and we're just listening.
Speaker 2: And the water traveling under us was probably I'm guesstimating
Speaker 2: seven to eight feet maybe ten to the ground, but
Speaker 2: eight feet to the water. I have a guess in
Speaker 2: the water was two feet up. I'm not sure because
Speaker 2: I never got down in it. But from seeing this
Speaker 2: thing's legs tapering into the water, and it's still another
Speaker 2: estimation and skeptic. I can I can't do that kind
Speaker 2: of thing. I have to what I see is I
Speaker 2: take so we're standing on the second pillar. And the
Speaker 2: unbelievable part is later on I realized it's under our feet.
Speaker 2: It's literally hiding underneath the pillar, on the pillar, underneath
Speaker 2: the trestles, under our feet. And this blew me away
Speaker 2: later on, because you know, you don't realize it at
Speaker 2: the time, but the indications were all there. The kid
Speaker 2: next to me says, I hear some I guess you hear.
Speaker 2: He goes, I don't know which people do that bill
Speaker 2: to say they hear something, I don't know. I said,
Speaker 2: we'll describe it. It's like dripping. So so the guy
Speaker 2: next to me says the same thing. I said, what
Speaker 2: are you hearing? He goes a lot of dripping. So
Speaker 2: there you go. He was standing, his feet were hanging
Speaker 2: over this. You know, he just climbed down. The water
Speaker 2: up on top of the trestle is hiding it. He's
Speaker 2: probably looking between the trestles, looking right at our faces
Speaker 2: standing there. And I was so freaked out about knowing
Speaker 2: this later on, because I wish I would have known.
Speaker 2: Of course, if i'd have figured it out, but it
Speaker 2: was too late because by the time the dripping. As
Speaker 2: soon as he said, lots of dripping, I said, so
Speaker 2: I don't didn't. I was just listening. You know. We're
Speaker 2: stand there listening, and all of a sudden there's a
Speaker 2: giant splash blows right, blow us, I mean drinking blows
Speaker 2: and I jump. He jumped, well, just got jumped, and
Speaker 2: within me saying that was below us because yes, before
Speaker 2: he could finish the word yes, I see two, but
Speaker 2: cheeks land out in my eyes at the edge of
Speaker 2: the trustles. I drew a picture of this. It's no
Speaker 2: camera's going at this moment. There's an audio on aiphone going,
Speaker 2: and if he would have kept that, so much information
Speaker 2: and stuff gets lost. So I'm telling you, whenning you're
Speaker 2: there at the moment, get the audio from somebody's phone
Speaker 2: if you can get it right then, and start your
Speaker 2: audio when you get out your vehicles, because these things
Speaker 2: will know you're there and they will scream immediately. So
Speaker 2: always start your audio before you get out your vehicles.
Speaker 2: Cameras too, highly recommend it. You may catch more stuff anyway. Wow,
Speaker 2: this really gets me going on. I talked about these
Speaker 2: stories down there. Yeah, Terry Harry, you know this stuff
Speaker 2: isn't for the lighthearted. I have to tell you. I
Speaker 2: have a weak card anymore, and I can't go out anight,
Speaker 2: you know, like I used to in the last ten
Speaker 2: years ago. Geez. It's just from what I know and
Speaker 2: what I read in the last you know, twelve years.
Speaker 2: I'm just see, I am not going, especially by myself.
Speaker 2: But it's hard to get people to go. They don't believe,
Speaker 2: especially in the city limits. My site is Okay see
Speaker 2: Urban Bigfoot group on Facebook. Oklahoma City every Day group
Speaker 2: on Facebook is where I put my stories.
Speaker 3: I put videos. I have little antadodial or just stories
Speaker 3: and you know things I run into people and I'm
Speaker 3: gonna telling a few of them here.
Speaker 2: There's some recent ones down there dinner coming out to
Speaker 2: the Stenscombe area called the White Witch, and I mentioned
Speaker 2: that later. I have met somebody personally that was sleeping
Speaker 2: at the river, a homeless person, Spanish guy who told
Speaker 2: me he ran into this white witch, which was He
Speaker 2: called it blanco, you know Spanish, blanco means white. I said,
Speaker 2: pointed in my skin, I said, me white like me.
Speaker 2: He said, well, it was dirty colored, you know. But
Speaker 2: he said it went by him and he started to
Speaker 2: say hi to it because he was sleeping. He didn't
Speaker 2: know what it was. He just went by. It was tall, big,
Speaker 2: he said it was being tall, but he just automatically ola,
Speaker 2: you know, or I don't know what he said to it.
Speaker 2: I don't remember. He didn't tell me. But the white
Speaker 2: Witch story, it's it's a good one. You can catch
Speaker 2: it on well. You know. The last person I went
Speaker 2: out with was Brian Treuell from Red Dirt Cryptids and
Speaker 2: his you know, his stuff's about the dog man. But
Speaker 2: he likes the big for of course, and he's he's
Speaker 2: a stinchcomb wildlife for that. He loves that place too.
Speaker 2: I've got a few stories out of there, about four
Speaker 2: over the years because that's gone in and out of there. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: I was alone there one time on my bike. I
Speaker 2: don't know why I did that. I did that was
Speaker 2: pretty very too. So back to the bridge, uh and
Speaker 2: the the the butt cheeks and the hairy butt cheek
Speaker 2: is what they were. And they were wide. I averaged
Speaker 2: just looking at my hands and these things down below
Speaker 2: and the size looking at the trestles that I mean,
Speaker 2: the hips alone bent over and what the weirdest thing
Speaker 2: about it was we couldn't see its head, neck, ears, arms, nothing.
Speaker 2: It was the strangest sight to see was these leaping
Speaker 2: I called the butt teaks with thighs attached, tapering into
Speaker 2: the water. That's what it looked like. And they were
Speaker 2: fawn colored. Really doesn't know that. As we were down
Speaker 2: there in the lights from the two lane off the
Speaker 2: freeway by the doctor, reflecting off the water, and we
Speaker 2: could see it perfectly, and it was leaping. So I
Speaker 2: see the two buttcheeks and it just had started its
Speaker 2: little pattern of leaps, and in the first one I
Speaker 2: caught out of the corner of my eye. And we're
Speaker 2: all looking now, and the kid next to me as
Speaker 2: a deer hunter. He's an eighteen year old deer hunter.
Speaker 2: He says, during these leaps in the water, things leaping
Speaker 2: probably eight foot at a leap. I'm guesstimating if I
Speaker 2: was a Google map that area in probably it's one
Speaker 2: hundred and I don't know, twenty feet maybe from where
Speaker 2: it started under the trestles to the tree line where
Speaker 2: it did a ninja booth. But at this moment, the
Speaker 2: kid next to me goes, that's not a deer, and
Speaker 2: I almost started laughing because my mind, it was moving
Speaker 2: like the deer. It was trying to imitate a deer,
Speaker 2: but we could not see its back or head or arms,
Speaker 2: so it literally either had had itself in this position
Speaker 2: with somebody above it before and had to hide, or
Speaker 2: it's just the best at I don't even know how
Speaker 2: to describe it, but you can just imagine it pushing
Speaker 2: off its hands and its feet only. The only inflection
Speaker 2: of bend I saw on the knee was and that's
Speaker 2: where my eye went. As soon as it landed out
Speaker 2: in front of us, the two butt cheeks and the leg.
Speaker 2: You can see the legs. It slightly bent its knees
Speaker 2: for the next leap, just slightly, not much at all,
Speaker 2: because that's where my eye went. I'm like, this thing
Speaker 2: just leaped away from us. Jeez, the wiz that was
Speaker 2: far in my mind. This is all happening. Click click
Speaker 2: click click click. But you know, thinking back, I know
Speaker 2: what I'm thinking. You know what I'm thinking. The kid
Speaker 2: next to me all wouldn't make me laugh, because this
Speaker 2: thing does look like a deer if it had a
Speaker 2: white tail, or even a tail sticking now between those
Speaker 2: two butt cheeks, I just said, yeah, that's a deer.
Speaker 2: But it had no head or neck or ears, you know,
Speaker 2: deer ears are huge, giant, floppy years. They don't really
Speaker 2: have right. We didn't see it neck. I mean, this
Speaker 2: thing was two butt cheeks leaping away from us. It
Speaker 2: was the weirdest thing to see. I laughed because he
Speaker 2: looking back on it, this thing was the best mimic
Speaker 2: of getting away from I mean, they are absolutely And
Speaker 2: the ninja movement made when it did its fourth leap
Speaker 2: and and the leaps, it got to the tree line
Speaker 2: and just did this swooping, stand up ninja move. You know,
Speaker 2: I can't It's hard to describe how something that large
Speaker 2: could do. That's what it did. And the other part
Speaker 2: about it was that it didn't realize it. It was
Speaker 2: being seen by the light with shining directly on it.
Speaker 2: So when it did the ninja move and stood up
Speaker 2: on its two feet, because you know, it was on
Speaker 2: all fours, we didn't know that. It just looked like
Speaker 2: two butcheets. But when it stood up and I could
Speaker 2: see this swooping movement that because the light was reflecting
Speaker 2: off the water onto its fur, it was already probably wet.
Speaker 2: And at some point, I don't know, I don't what
Speaker 2: he was down there doing. I know he was down
Speaker 2: there doing a lot of things after that, because I
Speaker 2: went down there a lot and a lot of things
Speaker 2: telling about. But anyway, he did the swooping ninja move,
Speaker 2: and he didn't realize that his nose, chin, eyebrows, his
Speaker 2: chest plates were all sticking out in the light. It
Speaker 2: was really creepy because as soon as he I think
Speaker 2: he realized that to say heat, I don't know when
Speaker 2: it's a heat or not, but it it backed into
Speaker 2: the darkness. And the next thing is so astounding. I mean,
Speaker 2: for a first time encounter, this is the weirdest stuff
Speaker 2: to have to tell people. And I, you know, to
Speaker 2: read these stories other people have, I'm like, oh, my gosh,
Speaker 2: that was so simple and easy. Acrossed in front of
Speaker 2: my car, looked like a big clip of Okay. Then
Speaker 2: they went in the tree. I was gone, oh, I
Speaker 2: love that. That would have been great, But no, I
Speaker 2: had to go out there. You know, I'm with this
Speaker 2: stay in the darkness and the dank goodness and with
Speaker 2: other people most of the time. So after the last time,
Speaker 2: and so it did that ninja move and it just
Speaker 2: slowly just backed into the darkness and disappeared. The nose
Speaker 2: and the the eyebrow like, you know, like the big
Speaker 2: brows stick it out like a Neanderthal kind of thing,
Speaker 2: and the nose and the chin and the breast place
Speaker 2: we're all shiny white like white like glowing because of
Speaker 2: the light hitting it. I don't remember. It's too far
Speaker 2: away from me to see if it was greasy, but
Speaker 2: you know, they're always described as very greasy because they're
Speaker 2: not very cup But anyway, at that moment, I looked.
Speaker 2: I touched the kid next to me on his arm.
Speaker 2: Make a dear noise. He goes, huh, I said, I don't.
Speaker 2: He goes, dear blood. I go, yeah, I don't care,
Speaker 2: makes some deer noise. It's acting like a deer. Let's
Speaker 2: see if it will call, if it'll respond. I didn't
Speaker 2: say this, but this is what I'm thinking. Sure enough,
Speaker 2: he makes a deer blood and it calls back. He
Speaker 2: looks at me and he goes, that's not a deer. Deer,
Speaker 2: don't call back. I almost started laughing again. He'd already
Speaker 2: seen it leaping away. That wasn't a deer. He knew it.
Speaker 2: He said it out loud, that's not a deer. But
Speaker 2: yet he stands there and says, deer, don't call back.
Speaker 2: So he's still not convinced of what he's seen. None
Speaker 2: of us are the kid that was standing on my right.
Speaker 2: He doesn't even remember what happened. I talked to him
Speaker 2: the other day. He says, I don't even and now
Speaker 2: I don't remember. Oh my good. Okay, fine, that's that's
Speaker 2: just fine. I said, where Casey, I he'll remember. He's
Speaker 2: a hunter. That kid told me a couple of stories
Speaker 2: with him out there that like, oh my god, they're
Speaker 2: Harry by himself. The kid was hell. He was daring
Speaker 2: kid hunters. Man. I'll tell you what, I feel sorry
Speaker 2: for him when they get the reality busted with these
Speaker 2: monsters run around them anyway, they are they have monsters.
Speaker 2: They're they're big, and they're creepy, and they're sneaky and
Speaker 2: they're they're everything that you don't want your kid to be.
Speaker 2: That's basically what I think about it. And they smell
Speaker 2: like h lord bon. So anyway, it's leaping away, it
Speaker 2: stands up, backs into the darkness, and now it's calling
Speaker 2: back and forth. I mean not just once this, he
Speaker 2: did this five times. It called back every time. But
Speaker 2: the other thing it did was it kept stepping to
Speaker 2: its left our right towards the riverbank, and I figured
Speaker 2: out why I went down there investigating, and I figured
Speaker 2: out what it was doing. This thing had patterns, and
Speaker 2: I realized later on it was watching that playground down
Speaker 2: there a lot. I've seen that it turned the whole
Speaker 2: back of the bushes area into toothpicks. Whenever see toothpicks,
Speaker 2: someone's traveling too, busting sticks by walking on it. Well,
Speaker 2: I've seen this many many times as toothstick things, so
Speaker 2: keep your eyes out for that. Sometimes the best indicator
Speaker 2: is where they're stepping is turned to you know, toothpicks.
Speaker 2: I call it because it shreds wood. They shred wood
Speaker 2: when they walk. They're basically so heavy. Anyway, Ah, it's
Speaker 2: kind of scary to think it's been watching that playground
Speaker 2: all this time. Makes me wondering what the cops know
Speaker 2: and if anybody's disappeared out there. So I got a
Speaker 2: little concerns because you know, behind this playground is a
Speaker 2: bush line that's just behind the parking latst snun very
Speaker 2: far and you can see through the book I've been
Speaker 2: back there. You can see perfectly fishing pond next to
Speaker 2: a playground the kids go to night day, every every
Speaker 2: day that they can, every weekend for sure. And this thing,
Speaker 2: you know, there's still I was called him board. You know,
Speaker 2: they're probably the most bored preacher out there all alone,
Speaker 2: if they're not with the family group. I I come
Speaker 2: to realize this thing might have been alone. I'm not
Speaker 2: sure because of the way it acted. It did a
Speaker 2: couple of things that gave me the indicator that it
Speaker 2: may have been trying to, you know, signal others. I'll
Speaker 2: tell you about that in a minute. So, uh, it
Speaker 2: calls back and forth five times. That kid makes me
Speaker 2: he's just stunned. You're going to believe that this thing
Speaker 2: is talking to him. It's right, right, right, right, right right.
Speaker 2: It wasn't that fast, but it was a it was
Speaker 2: a pretty fast gesture of voices back and forth him
Speaker 2: and that thing. And I was stunned because I never
Speaker 2: I mean, I read it a million stories. I've read
Speaker 2: stories from the countries, Canada, you name it. And I'm
Speaker 2: up on top of everything going on right now, anybody
Speaker 2: and every anybody who's anybody. And I don't say I'm anybody.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I know what's what and what's up
Speaker 2: out there. And I keep up on it because I
Speaker 2: want to know. I want to see. I want to
Speaker 2: see how long they're going to keep this a secret,
Speaker 2: because I was told that no matter what I do
Speaker 2: or when I get on video in every release. So
Speaker 2: a little discourage. But anyway, back to the river in
Speaker 2: the trestles, so we're standing there in the trust is
Speaker 2: calling back and forth this thing he is, I'm not,
Speaker 2: And the encounter stopped at that moment. It had reached
Speaker 2: the edge of the of the river and was not
Speaker 2: calling back anymore. So we stood there for a little
Speaker 2: bit and then we I called, I made a call,
Speaker 2: I got, I got a little anxious. I decided to
Speaker 2: do it. Roar back Seaco roar. I wanted to hear
Speaker 2: that big roar that my friend got roared at. He
Speaker 2: thought he described the roar as a he thought of
Speaker 2: a feeline he was going to see, like a feeline
Speaker 2: like a ugar has been seen in that. Every big
Speaker 2: large black one can tell us that story too. Friend
Speaker 2: of mine, now big footing, that had one pacing him
Speaker 2: in a creek, A big, large black one pacing across
Speaker 2: the creek. He just sort of snapped, looked over and
Speaker 2: there was looking at him, big yellow eyes. He was
Speaker 2: scared to death. I thought he's gonna die anyway. Cougars
Speaker 2: do exist. People are black too, anyway. Uh So yeah,
Speaker 2: we left after that, and I failed to get my
Speaker 2: recordings from the iPhone.
Speaker 4: If I would have been, we wouldn't we'd be listening
Speaker 4: to it instead of me talking about because it was
Speaker 4: it would be something to hear that thing calling back
Speaker 4: and forth would have been the best calls ever heard of.
Speaker 2: Anything imitating in here like that. Stan Courtney's site at
Speaker 2: stan courtney dot com. You can listen to bigfoot mimicking,
Speaker 2: mimicking all kinds of things, animals TVs. Dog barking, I
Speaker 2: can't get weed eaters. U uh. He got a recording
Speaker 2: of a place that he took me, and I'm part
Speaker 2: of this little recording he did and it's out there.
Speaker 2: And if you ever go to the site and you're
Speaker 2: read listening to these these sounds, go to the blog
Speaker 2: because it'll tell you how he got it and where
Speaker 2: he got it and what got him there to get it.
Speaker 2: And one of them involved me. I was within the
Speaker 2: night that this happened. We're on that bridge and he's
Speaker 2: he took me out there with the bridge was told
Speaker 2: about to us from a guy that I met from
Speaker 2: Jerseyville named Jared. In Jerseyville, he had a sighting on
Speaker 2: Otter Road called the Otter Road Incident I think, or
Speaker 2: something on VFR report two nine six two nine five
Speaker 2: excuse me, VFR Report twenty nine twenty six five, where
Speaker 2: he tells about it crossing in front of him. I
Speaker 2: tell you some details, or you can go and read
Speaker 2: that yourself. Very interesting. I had to encourage him to
Speaker 2: put that on there. Also, the two people I encourage
Speaker 2: got two really good stories of Class A sightings and
Speaker 2: led me to my first sighting first time down there.
Speaker 2: Highly recommend that you all look in your area if
Speaker 2: you're interested in doing this, look for your green areas, rivers,
Speaker 2: your lakes, your ponds near you, any kind of water,
Speaker 2: just probably going to have some indicators of some sort
Speaker 2: tree lines nearby are I was helpful, but not necessary.
Speaker 2: They will travel in the dark to get to these
Speaker 2: things and drink out of them, and they go back
Speaker 2: to tree lines that are far away. They travel up
Speaker 2: to twenty five to thirty miles a night is estimated,
Speaker 2: maybe more. That's a guestimate. I personally don't think that
Speaker 2: and This was talked about long ago when I was younger.
Speaker 2: Peter Burn talked about this, Grover Krantz talked about this.
Speaker 2: There was a speculation still today probably about it. I
Speaker 2: think some of them do migrate. I don't think it's
Speaker 2: very far though. I think the ones that are here
Speaker 2: in Oklahoma travel maybe down to the eastern warmer ports
Speaker 2: of Louisiana, maybe in this fault you know area. Maybe
Speaker 2: that's why there's so much activity there is that there's
Speaker 2: a there's an area there called and people know this area.
Speaker 2: It's called the uh, the Great Thicket in Texas East
Speaker 2: East Texas area, and it borderlines the Faulk River Fulk
Speaker 2: drainage in that area where that Monster movie came from.
Speaker 2: And that is a fascinating area because they say, if
Speaker 2: you go there, it sounds like Jurassic Park. I don't
Speaker 2: recommend it. They talk about black vehicles following you, pulling
Speaker 2: you over, keeping you for hours, just messing with you,
Speaker 2: knowing that you know you can't do anything about it. Uh,
Speaker 2: you know, just passling it to the most point where
Speaker 2: you just want to go home. You know, we're done, Okay, fine,
Speaker 2: you got it. Uh. And they're good at it. You know,
Speaker 2: these these black project people there and they're protecting money.
Speaker 2: It's all it's all about. It's all about money. Trillions
Speaker 2: of dollars that are spent in the national parks across
Speaker 2: America every year. You could just imagine what they would
Speaker 2: do to protect that, keep people from taking there's any
Speaker 2: kind of monster camping around them. What I've come to
Speaker 2: find out is they live in the city limits. That
Speaker 2: first encounter I had was the city limits. It's a
Speaker 2: small town, but it still is a city limits. Hey,
Speaker 2: cars throve by there all the time, people went down
Speaker 2: there all the time. I'd never heard anything about that
Speaker 2: area having any kind of spooky monster, you know, thing
Speaker 2: going on at all. But normally towns have that. You know,
Speaker 2: you don't hear something like that once you're known to
Speaker 2: know about it, and they're like, hey, did you know
Speaker 2: about it? And that's how I heard about the screaming area.
Speaker 2: Lady Bridge and I went there. We had I did
Speaker 2: my first call there, got my first response back. It
Speaker 2: was very interesting, it was fascinating. I loved it. It
Speaker 2: got scary though, because there was one on our side
Speaker 2: that was coming up to us pretty quickly. It was
Speaker 2: breaking limbs all the way in too, And that was
Speaker 2: the scariest part, was that the limbs and the sound
Speaker 2: got louder and louder. And if I tell you the
Speaker 2: story I originally got me there, you'll understand why I
Speaker 2: booging down of there. Great place for a camera in
Speaker 2: my opinion, but I looked at it recently. In the
Speaker 2: area that I got my callback from was a swamp,
Speaker 2: but now it's farm land. They're farming it, so it's
Speaker 2: still probably over there somewhere, but not in that same spot.
Speaker 2: It called back to me that night. Anyway, my first
Speaker 2: callback was fascinating to get one called back. I mean
Speaker 2: I went to the right place at the right time
Speaker 2: in the north part of Carlisle Lake is where it
Speaker 2: was the screaming Hairy Ladybridge. So later on after our encounter, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, I failed to get the recording, but I
Speaker 2: got my own recorder and I put a velcrow on
Speaker 2: my hat and I attached the recorder when I go in,
Speaker 2: because I realized holding them makes a lot of scratchy
Speaker 2: noises and a lot of unnecessary things that you don't
Speaker 2: want to hear, you know, need to hear all that
Speaker 2: when you're trying to record so I put it on
Speaker 2: a bill of my hat. Unfortunately, sticks would hit it occasion,
Speaker 2: but it kept. It would catch way more than I
Speaker 2: could ever get trying to hold the thing and carrying
Speaker 2: it in on any kind of equipment or stand or
Speaker 2: you know, holder of any kind of stick. So I
Speaker 2: put it on a bill of my hat. You can try.
Speaker 2: It works pretty good, belchrum. So it worked, and I
Speaker 2: got a lot of recording. I recorded every time I
Speaker 2: went in. Unfortunately, the age of the recorder and the
Speaker 2: screen started to degregate. So get yourself something pretty good,
Speaker 2: solid state. Pay at least a DY two hundred dollars
Speaker 2: and you'll have something of the last lotter. Don't get
Speaker 2: the ones with the led screens. They go. That's what
Speaker 2: happened to me. So I'm just guessing when I'm pushing
Speaker 2: the buttons trying to get my recordings. But I still
Speaker 2: have it and still works. And I pulled the one
Speaker 2: that was important, which was the alone in the morning
Speaker 2: by myself, you know, with this with this thing anyway,
Speaker 2: So after this I started, you know, I told what
Speaker 2: they told their girlfriend. He told his girlfriend. He got home.
Speaker 2: We got we're very excited. You know, it's three in
Speaker 2: the morning three thirty. The more we get home, we're shacked,
Speaker 2: you know, with the adrelline just rattling off what we
Speaker 2: just saw. You know, they're not they're kind of quiet,
Speaker 2: but I'm jacked because I know what we saw. Anyway,
Speaker 2: So the next weekend she wants to go. So all
Speaker 2: four of us go, those two and his girlfriend and I.
Speaker 2: We get out there and we go to the this
Speaker 2: time we started from the boat ramp. And if you
Speaker 2: take the boat ramp and cross through the grass underneath
Speaker 2: the two lane highway fifty, there's a tunnel, very big tunnel,
Speaker 2: stand up tunnel probably, I don't know, twelve foot wide,
Speaker 2: six six and a half foot home. You can walk
Speaker 2: right to it. Very aquy on that opp and I
Speaker 2: wanted to shot this thing anyway. Uh So we go
Speaker 2: down in there with the four of us, and we
Speaker 2: go over to the trestles where her all of us
Speaker 2: were standing. We tell her the story. Well, you know,
Speaker 2: we had already heard it, but then we started describing,
Speaker 2: and he went this way, it landed, landed underneath us here,
Speaker 2: and it already dried up that quickly. That's how quick
Speaker 2: the dam can close and the ground can drop. But
Speaker 2: it was very hard passed and dirt substrate. And the
Speaker 2: reason I know that is because I found a toprin
Speaker 2: and it was just like some men. I don't know
Speaker 2: how it embedded into an inch into that like cement substrate,
Speaker 2: but it did. And I know her went up on
Speaker 2: that trustle to get away from My guy was with
Speaker 2: me chasing it. I think he saw it. I think
Speaker 2: it was playing games with him and it had duck
Speaker 2: in between these trustles, and it was he was running
Speaker 2: down there and we could see his hair. He looked
Speaker 2: like he had led Zeppelin here and it was real dark,
Speaker 2: you know, but his blond hair stood out down there.
Speaker 2: I can see him, and so could ever know the two.
Speaker 2: There's two others with me. His ex wife came down
Speaker 2: there one third in the morning to have a big
Speaker 2: footing down her. I brought a girl who like ghosts.
Speaker 2: She wanted to go down there. I said, okay, come on, Candy,
Speaker 2: let's go down there. So Candy, her husband was a truck.
Speaker 2: He's going ahead, you know, we'll see ghost So we
Speaker 2: went down. I took her down there, and I set
Speaker 2: up some chairs before they got there. I want to
Speaker 2: carry them in and have to carry in anything. Else. Uh.
Speaker 2: They arrived at one thirty at the picnic table, and
Speaker 2: we all walked through the tunnel underneath the two lane
Speaker 2: into the bottoms area by the trustles there at the
Speaker 2: Kaskaskia River edge underneath the river track down there, and
Speaker 2: stood there and looked around and didn't hear anything right
Speaker 2: there at that moment. I didn't. I don't like, I said,
Speaker 2: my hearing's bad. They did not at that moment, but
Speaker 2: I did tell them, hey, you know, if you hear something,
Speaker 2: touch me and tell me what you're hearing so we
Speaker 2: can all encounter it. Because a lot of times I've
Speaker 2: heard if you read, you'll know these things will try
Speaker 2: to segregate us. I don't know why they do it,
Speaker 2: but they do. Will they will target one person, and
Speaker 2: they targeted her, and she was behind me and there
Speaker 2: was two of us side by side with her buying
Speaker 2: me and her boyfriend next door and then walking back
Speaker 2: on the road back from the trestles. Well down by
Speaker 2: the trestles, I had done one of these. I like that,
Speaker 2: just a two coffer, just to clear my throat. We're
Speaker 2: coming back and she stops. She touched me on the shoulder,
Speaker 2: so I stopped. We turned around with all huddled up.
Speaker 2: I said, yeah, what's going on? He says, well, you
Speaker 2: didn't hear that? I said, no, did you guys hear it? No,
Speaker 2: they didn't hear it. I didn't hear it. She was
Speaker 2: standing right behind me. But my hearing's bad. But they
Speaker 2: still didn't hear it. And they're young, so I didn't
Speaker 2: know what was going on. But what she said she
Speaker 2: heard was this, she said at R five thirty more
Speaker 2: than once. She said. She said, it was like it
Speaker 2: was trying to get our attention. She said it would
Speaker 2: do just like you did the bridge. I said, no way.
Speaker 2: She said yeah. He said it sounded just like you
Speaker 2: when you coughed down by the bridge. I said, oh
Speaker 2: my gosh. So she said it's done it five times.
Speaker 2: I said, I'll stand here and see what we'll do
Speaker 2: it again, and he never did. So we just kept
Speaker 2: We walked back to the car, back under the bridge
Speaker 2: and went and left. A lot of these encounters, that's,
Speaker 2: you know, even with other things, I don't stick around.
Speaker 2: I've seen what I've seen them. I don't need to
Speaker 2: see anymore. Usually your encounter doesn't last. They're not sticking
Speaker 2: around to stay high. Normally, but I don't want to
Speaker 2: try to say I don't know what it was trying
Speaker 2: to say, but I wish I would have said something
Speaker 2: to it. That was my only time alone with one.
Speaker 2: That may have been the time to say something. They
Speaker 2: do speak to people.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: If you're interested, you know, you can contact me at
Speaker 2: my page. I'll tell you about other guys out there.
Speaker 2: I don't want to promote other pages because you know,
Speaker 2: Oklahoma City Urban Bigfoot Group is the only one that
Speaker 2: should be out there on Facebook. You can join the
Speaker 2: group and read stories that I got on there. I
Speaker 2: don't charge anything for anything, so it's all free and
Speaker 2: information I give you is hopefully go to help you
Speaker 2: in the future of your endeavors. If you're out there
Speaker 2: trying to encounter these creatures. You know, I'm not the
Speaker 2: only one to have encounters, so there's plenty other people
Speaker 2: telling about it. I do recommend some Stancourtney dot Com
Speaker 2: is highly recommended. There's three different audios you should listen
Speaker 2: to and read the blogs because the one blog about
Speaker 2: it's called bridge Runner and the reason it's called bridge
Speaker 2: Runners because and it is the only recording I have
Speaker 2: ever heard of one breathing heavily and running on all fours.
Speaker 2: Nobody pays attention to anything like this because it's you know,
Speaker 2: it's buried in his site and you have to know
Speaker 2: about it. He doesn't promote it. I do because I
Speaker 2: was part of it. I was at that bridge. That
Speaker 2: was the first bridge he ever made a call with
Speaker 2: me stand Cord. He made on the bridge that night,
Speaker 2: two third in the morning on a cold uh. I
Speaker 2: think it was November, early November. It was cold, and
Speaker 2: we were out in the middle of nowhere where Jared
Speaker 2: had had He had friend of his Jared Dad. He
Speaker 2: had a uh encounter around on outer Road, but near there.
Speaker 2: His friend was on a quad runner and he'd come
Speaker 2: off the bridge of the little two lane out of
Speaker 2: the middle of the and everywhere around him was the
Speaker 2: farm farmland. This is farmland out in Illinois near the Mississippi.
Speaker 2: Olden drafton type area, probably about thirty five minutes from
Speaker 2: the river from the Mississippi West is where we're at.
Speaker 2: And it's a little waterway between these farmland and there's
Speaker 2: a cement bridge. It's one hundred and ninety eight foot
Speaker 2: long cement bridge with steel rails. It's not a wooden bridge. Like,
Speaker 2: you know, they may have been back in but it's
Speaker 2: now updated. Anyway, he takes me out. We get pulled
Speaker 2: his jeep over. We get out and we walk out
Speaker 2: at the middle of the bridge and I got my coat. Man.
Speaker 2: We are bundled up because it is really cold. He
Speaker 2: brings a megaphone out and he sticks it to his lips.
Speaker 2: He goes, I get it. I get it, and recalled
Speaker 2: back about fifty percent of the time. Stan Courtney tells
Speaker 2: me and I said, oh, so it's our first time
Speaker 2: really meeting. I'd already been to his house just earlier
Speaker 2: prior to this, looking at his footprints, and I saw
Speaker 2: the Patty footprint to imitate, you know, the remake of
Speaker 2: the Patty footprint at his house, and all of his
Speaker 2: cameras and all of his equipment and all of his
Speaker 2: stuff that he had acquired for this study and all
Speaker 2: this stuff. He was doing well. He was dedicated to
Speaker 2: this and very good at it. So his audio stuff
Speaker 2: is very good. There's another one called I recommend Bridge
Speaker 2: Runner and also weed Eater that's fascinating. Where the Bridge
Speaker 2: Runner story, I mean, the weed Eater story comes from.
Speaker 2: You need to read on the blog. That's connected to
Speaker 2: the to the story. It'll tell you that he was
Speaker 2: in an area of Villainois, that they were walking through
Speaker 2: an area and this thing was like this kind of
Speaker 2: a weeded or sound like fire meers to me. I've
Speaker 2: heard the recording, so I know, like stand would take me,
Speaker 2: tell me inside stuff he wouldn't print. He would tell
Speaker 2: me things like it was staring at the woman to
Speaker 2: her window watching TV. You know, she was watching TV.
Speaker 2: He was staring through the window. She thought watching her,
Speaker 2: but it was really watching the big screen, giant glass windows.
Speaker 2: It was watching the fascinated by the leda. I think
Speaker 2: that happens more often than that. I think a lot
Speaker 2: of times people are being visited because they're fascinating by
Speaker 2: what's going on inside. You know, you can just imagine
Speaker 2: us looking in an ant hill. You know, it's kind
Speaker 2: of the same thing in there. In their eyes, we're
Speaker 2: just an animal. Probably to them, I don't know what
Speaker 2: they think, but u uh, I have my theories. But
Speaker 2: the bridge runner, weed eater, and there's a few more
Speaker 2: in there, sniffer, the sniffer that one's fascinating, a deer,
Speaker 2: a cow, and something else shows up to sniff. The
Speaker 2: recording area. It was baited and it was under a log.
Speaker 2: And you read the blog, you'll understand where that story case.
Speaker 2: It's very fascinating that the sniffer, the bridge runner, and
Speaker 2: the weed eater are great on stands bfro. He's a investigator, right,
Speaker 2: but he still is. Yeah. So Stan and I grew
Speaker 2: up in the same you know, Eugene area, and we
Speaker 2: had our connection there. But I went out with him
Speaker 2: a few times. Stan funnily joke. I mean, I think
Speaker 2: it's hilarious. He would carry a twenty two with him.
Speaker 2: But I understood why after he told me a story
Speaker 2: about the black panther following him. I was looking for
Speaker 2: footprints along a creek and I think it was northern
Speaker 2: Springfield area, standing like in Springfield area. There was some
Speaker 2: investigating going on in that area. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: sidings in northern Springfield, Illinois area, just north of the
Speaker 2: lake there that got closed down. And his theories were
Speaker 2: that some of the microbes coming out of the lake
Speaker 2: were from large animals. They're usually only seen in zoop
Speaker 2: or p or water. So this lake was shut down
Speaker 2: because of it. Well, really what was going on is
Speaker 2: Bigfoot was hiding and they were in the river running
Speaker 2: into the lake. But it was up in this area
Speaker 2: and these neighborhoods and people were steeing them and having encounters,
Speaker 2: and they were yelling at people and throwing things. And
Speaker 2: I mean people went through this one place in Illinois
Speaker 2: and Springfield into this and it's on stand site. Talks
Speaker 2: about this cemetery where they were walking through the cemetery
Speaker 2: in the back and there's a tree line back there,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden it a rep into total
Speaker 2: explosion of breaking limbs, things flying through the air, nor
Speaker 2: near at them, but close just towards them. Just the
Speaker 2: total ruck that's going on behind and I think it
Speaker 2: had thrown some the rock down and they veiled. But
Speaker 2: that happened in Springfield, only a cemetery just outside of
Speaker 2: town there somewhere, And he talks about that story. But
Speaker 2: my personal encounters are the bottoms of Illinois and here
Speaker 2: in Oklahoma. The bottoms were the Harriet because I had
Speaker 2: my clothes. I was really digging for my you know,
Speaker 2: my own personal knowledge of these creatures existing or not.
Speaker 2: And that's why I was out. There's the only reason
Speaker 2: I was there. I did not care about anything else,
Speaker 2: So there to prove to myself that I've seen something
Speaker 2: that they say doesn't exist. And this is why I've
Speaker 2: said numerous times about this one down there, that it
Speaker 2: had been drinking that that well water down there and
Speaker 2: got bring something happened to its brains. And it's unfortunate
Speaker 2: that area is plagued with bad water from the past retardation.
Speaker 2: That Clinton County area has a whole bunch of buster
Speaker 2: running people around the bad water retardation from the past,
Speaker 2: chemicals in the fields, and they drink the well water
Speaker 2: and a lot of problems, create a lot of problems.
Speaker 2: They have schools, they're busting people around every retardation. They
Speaker 2: have to have special training to move a piece of
Speaker 2: wood to one piece box to another to make something
Speaker 2: else happen. And you know, that kind of thing was
Speaker 2: caused from the water in the farm lands of the
Speaker 2: midwest of Illinois, and it probably didn't just happen there,
Speaker 2: but you know, it gets hushed. You don't hear about
Speaker 2: that stuff. But anyway, I think this one was retarded.
Speaker 2: So I don't mean this, you know, to imply that
Speaker 2: retardation is a problem with anybody, youh man. I'm just
Speaker 2: saying that why would the most elusive creature in the world,
Speaker 2: be so out there for me to find it through things.
Speaker 2: I didn't even tell you about the rock growing an incident.
Speaker 2: I was getting to it. I mean, it was so
Speaker 2: obvious there was something there. But if you're elusive, why
Speaker 2: would you? I mean some of them are very silent
Speaker 2: that this someone is not. So Yeah, that was the
Speaker 2: Bottoms of Illinois.
Speaker 1: Well, Jeff for about an hour in and I know
Speaker 1: you've got more experiences to share, which, of course I'm
Speaker 1: sure the listeners would love to hear. Would you be
Speaker 1: up for coming back for a part two?
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, we can do that whenever you're ready let
Speaker 2: me know. Oh a great, I'm semi retired, so I
Speaker 2: have loft the time.
Speaker 1: Well, I'd love to bring you back on so you
Speaker 1: can do that. Thanks again so much for your time
Speaker 1: and looking forward to having you back.
Speaker 2: That's it for another episode of Bigfoot Eyewitness This Radio
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