WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.520 --> 00:00:06.639 It's Maria's MutS and Stuff. What a great idea on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:10.919 --> 00:00:13.839 Welcome to Maria's Mutts and Stuff. And with me, well, 3 00:00:14.000 --> 00:00:17.600 you know, I realize I'm welcoming her back. It is 4 00:00:17.960 --> 00:00:22.399 Roseanne Perry and she's back with her latest book, a 5 00:00:22.440 --> 00:00:26.399 Wolf called Fire. You know, Roseanne, I realized we spoke 6 00:00:26.519 --> 00:00:31.039 back in the fall with your last book, that's right, 7 00:00:31.280 --> 00:00:32.320 with a horse named Sky. 8 00:00:32.880 --> 00:00:33.039 Yep. 9 00:00:33.359 --> 00:00:35.679 Yes, that was so cool. 10 00:00:35.719 --> 00:00:37.159 So thanks for inviting me. 11 00:00:37.600 --> 00:00:40.600 Of course, of course. Well, first of all, and I 12 00:00:40.679 --> 00:00:42.960 realized because I listened a little bit to our last 13 00:00:42.960 --> 00:00:46.159 interview and I realized, and it's so funny. But because 14 00:00:46.200 --> 00:00:52.200 you're consistent, because I commended you for your dedication, and 15 00:00:52.799 --> 00:00:55.439 that was the first thing I was thinking of for this, 16 00:00:55.759 --> 00:00:57.799 you know, to mention it to you, for this book 17 00:00:58.159 --> 00:01:01.000 for young leaders of every coin, may you grow in 18 00:01:01.119 --> 00:01:05.200 strength and wisdom and courage. That is just so perfect. No, 19 00:01:05.319 --> 00:01:08.280 it's a perfect dedication. What made you think of that? Like, 20 00:01:08.359 --> 00:01:11.599 why why would you? Why did you do that? Well? 21 00:01:12.159 --> 00:01:15.719 One of the themes of this book for the wolf whose 22 00:01:15.879 --> 00:01:20.280 alpha name becomes Fire, is that he's he's an unlikely leader. 23 00:01:20.480 --> 00:01:23.760 He's the Omega wolf, meaning the lowest ranking wolf of 24 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:28.760 his pack, and he doesn't have the kind of charisma 25 00:01:29.040 --> 00:01:34.200 or size or you know, domineering personality that other alpha 26 00:01:34.239 --> 00:01:37.760 wolves he knows has, and so a lot of his 27 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:43.560 journey is figuring out how he can be a leader 28 00:01:43.640 --> 00:01:48.599 while still being true to the wolf he really is, right, Yes, Yeah, 29 00:01:48.599 --> 00:01:50.879 And that's what I'm really what I'm really hoping for 30 00:01:50.959 --> 00:01:53.319 my young readers too, is not that they feel like 31 00:01:53.359 --> 00:01:57.319 they have to become something different to be a leader 32 00:01:57.359 --> 00:02:00.400 in their life, correct, But that they can find a 33 00:02:00.439 --> 00:02:04.239 way to be a leader with the personality and the 34 00:02:04.280 --> 00:02:08.159 skills and the and the outlook and heart that they 35 00:02:08.280 --> 00:02:08.879 already have. 36 00:02:09.159 --> 00:02:09.599 Correct. 37 00:02:09.680 --> 00:02:13.159 You know, that they can look within and find that 38 00:02:13.159 --> 00:02:15.960 that young leader in themselves and really embrace it, because 39 00:02:15.960 --> 00:02:16.759 there isn't just. 40 00:02:16.759 --> 00:02:19.800 One way right, right, and just to like listen to 41 00:02:19.840 --> 00:02:24.360 their inner voice and their inner strength and just use that. Yeah, No, 42 00:02:24.560 --> 00:02:29.120 for sure. So your book, which I enjoyed and I 43 00:02:29.319 --> 00:02:33.960 love the illustrations as well, is based on a real story. 44 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:35.960 So how did you come how did you come up 45 00:02:35.960 --> 00:02:39.560 to that to decide you know about the real wolf 46 00:02:39.599 --> 00:02:40.360 that it's based on. 47 00:02:42.599 --> 00:02:47.159 Well, lots more has been written. It was I started 48 00:02:47.520 --> 00:02:51.840 researching wolf caused fire in twenty twenty two. But I 49 00:02:51.879 --> 00:02:54.599 had researched my initial wolf book, A Wolf called Wander, 50 00:02:54.719 --> 00:02:57.439 in twenty twelve, so you know, ten years had passed 51 00:02:57.439 --> 00:03:00.400 and lots of new stuff had been written, right dumb 52 00:03:00.439 --> 00:03:03.520 Rick McIntyre's books about the Yellowstone Wolves has come out 53 00:03:03.560 --> 00:03:06.960 since that time. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, And so I 54 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:11.120 was so inspired by this young wolf, Wolf eight, one 55 00:03:11.159 --> 00:03:13.840 of the original wolves brought to Yellowstone. He was brought 56 00:03:13.879 --> 00:03:17.840 with his parents and his three brothers, and he was 57 00:03:17.919 --> 00:03:20.879 the omega wolf in that pup group. He was smaller 58 00:03:20.919 --> 00:03:23.439 than them, he was not so handsome. The others were 59 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:28.879 very charismatic and very domineering, and they bullied him all 60 00:03:29.039 --> 00:03:32.159 the time, the rangers who were watching them or seeing 61 00:03:32.199 --> 00:03:35.719 him getting nipped dead and food stolen, and they made 62 00:03:35.800 --> 00:03:38.360 him submit to him all the time, and they were like, wow, 63 00:03:38.599 --> 00:03:41.319 is this this pup even gonna make it right? 64 00:03:41.439 --> 00:03:44.280 Right? Yeah? For sure? Yeah? 65 00:03:44.319 --> 00:03:47.879 And and to be honest, wolves, I mean, this is 66 00:03:48.199 --> 00:03:51.159 kind of a harsh statistic, but the wilderness is hard 67 00:03:51.280 --> 00:03:54.120 for wolves and about half of wolf pups don't make 68 00:03:54.159 --> 00:03:55.080 it to their first year. 69 00:03:55.280 --> 00:03:58.599 Oh I didn't realize that. And yeah, and why is 70 00:03:58.639 --> 00:04:02.039 that is that because so the bullying, or they're because 71 00:04:02.039 --> 00:04:03.879 they're weaker, Like why why is that? 72 00:04:05.159 --> 00:04:08.240 Well, it's a lot of reasons. If if the pack 73 00:04:08.280 --> 00:04:12.159 itself is prospering and they can feed the mother, well, 74 00:04:12.240 --> 00:04:15.840 then they'll be well nourished. But if they're not prospering, 75 00:04:16.439 --> 00:04:22.560 if they if it's intensely cold, so there are some 76 00:04:22.639 --> 00:04:26.399 things that if they're like nutritionally compromised, that's really hard 77 00:04:26.399 --> 00:04:28.160 on a wolf because it's hard for them to keep warm. 78 00:04:28.360 --> 00:04:28.480 Right. 79 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:31.720 Wolf pups are usually born in like pretty early in 80 00:04:31.759 --> 00:04:34.519 the spring when it is very cold where they live. 81 00:04:35.680 --> 00:04:37.920 And then also young pups when they're first out of 82 00:04:37.959 --> 00:04:40.600 the den. You know, there isn't much that hunts an 83 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:42.959 adult wolf, but there are plenty of things that hunt 84 00:04:43.000 --> 00:04:50.240 a wolf, pop eagles and all kinds of things, and so, yeah. 85 00:04:49.079 --> 00:04:53.319 It makes me feel I know, those poor babies, I know, 86 00:04:53.560 --> 00:04:53.839 I know. 87 00:04:54.920 --> 00:04:58.800 So but at the end of that first year, as 88 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:02.120 as is reasonable to expect, only two of the four 89 00:05:02.120 --> 00:05:05.240 pups in that group did survive to be adults, but 90 00:05:05.360 --> 00:05:08.879 eight was one of them. Wow, that was one of them. 91 00:05:09.560 --> 00:05:12.360 And he came out of that experience of being bullied 92 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:17.920 his in his first year with Oceans of compassion for 93 00:05:18.079 --> 00:05:19.079 other wolf pups. 94 00:05:19.240 --> 00:05:19.759 Wow. 95 00:05:20.439 --> 00:05:24.120 And so then when he dispersed from his pack and 96 00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:27.480 he went, you know, to find his own life, he 97 00:05:28.480 --> 00:05:31.160 came across another wolf pack that was in a crisis 98 00:05:31.240 --> 00:05:34.040 at the time. It was one of the largest and 99 00:05:34.160 --> 00:05:39.800 most impressive charismatic male and female wolves. They had eight pups, 100 00:05:40.720 --> 00:05:43.600 and the day those eight pups were born, the alpha 101 00:05:43.879 --> 00:05:47.079 male was shot by a poacher. And so here's this 102 00:05:47.240 --> 00:05:50.319 female wolf all on her own, eight pups to feed, 103 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:56.279 and this smallish, not very impressive looking the wolf comes along, 104 00:05:56.800 --> 00:05:59.759 and instead of trying to exporte some kind of alliance 105 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:03.160 with the alpha female, he just goes straight to those 106 00:06:03.199 --> 00:06:05.959 pups and he's like, these kids are in trouble, and 107 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:09.240 so he starts teaching them how to hunt little things 108 00:06:09.680 --> 00:06:14.279 mice and voles and gophers, and he moves them gradually 109 00:06:14.399 --> 00:06:17.639 with lots of patience and encouragement to hunting bigger and 110 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:21.160 bigger things, right, taking the pressure off of that alpha 111 00:06:21.160 --> 00:06:25.680 female to bring down larger game. And because he's such 112 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:32.000 a gentle and generous mentor to those pups, the alpha 113 00:06:32.040 --> 00:06:37.199 female does choose him to be her partner. And because 114 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:41.439 he was so good to his these aid adopted pups 115 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:45.279 instead of dispersing when they became adults, even though they 116 00:06:45.279 --> 00:06:47.759 grew to be much larger than him. Because their own 117 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:52.040 father was a very large, impressive wolf, they stayed with him. 118 00:06:52.199 --> 00:06:52.560 Wow. 119 00:06:52.639 --> 00:06:56.720 And they were fanatically loyal, and because he was such 120 00:06:56.759 --> 00:07:00.319 a good teacher, they became so impressive in the hunt, 121 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:04.319 cohesive and fast and strong. They brought down their prey 122 00:07:04.399 --> 00:07:08.839 every time, and so they grew to be a very 123 00:07:08.879 --> 00:07:13.279 strong pack, and those eight offspring went on to be 124 00:07:13.360 --> 00:07:16.120 alpha's of many other packs in the future. So that 125 00:07:17.040 --> 00:07:21.160 most unpromising wolf who looked like he wasn't even gonna 126 00:07:21.199 --> 00:07:25.920 make it at the beginning, became the patriarch really of 127 00:07:25.959 --> 00:07:31.319 the most powerful pack in Yellowstone history. Wow. Right, because 128 00:07:31.360 --> 00:07:35.040 he chose this different leadership style. He wasn't He never 129 00:07:35.079 --> 00:07:38.600 made them bow to him, he'd never bullied his pack. 130 00:07:38.680 --> 00:07:42.040 He was always collaborative and kind. He loved to wrestle 131 00:07:42.079 --> 00:07:46.480 with the pups. He was just a very different kind 132 00:07:46.639 --> 00:07:50.319 of alpha, and it turned out to be really successful, 133 00:07:50.480 --> 00:07:54.560 and lots of his sons and daughters took elements of 134 00:07:54.600 --> 00:07:57.399 his leadership style and carried it into the future. 135 00:07:57.639 --> 00:07:57.879 Wow. 136 00:07:57.920 --> 00:07:59.959 So that was I was like, that's so cool. 137 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:03.399 It is cool. It's cool. I mean, honestly, I think 138 00:08:03.519 --> 00:08:06.639 humans need to learn from him and realized that. You know, 139 00:08:06.720 --> 00:08:10.399 being a bully doesn't always make you successful, you. 140 00:08:10.360 --> 00:08:15.160 Know, right, yeah, being strong in the moment, But there 141 00:08:15.160 --> 00:08:18.279 are things that look weak in the moment but actually 142 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:22.199 turn out to be strong. And give you an example, right, 143 00:08:23.240 --> 00:08:26.560 Yellowstone Ate. One of the things that he did when 144 00:08:26.920 --> 00:08:30.439 when one wolf pack attacks another wolf pack, as they 145 00:08:30.480 --> 00:08:35.840 do jockeying for territory and sessions. Typically not always, but 146 00:08:35.919 --> 00:08:41.799 typically those packs fight until the alpha is killed, and 147 00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:44.879 then the pack of the killed alpha sort of panics 148 00:08:44.879 --> 00:08:50.000 and scatters, right, and that's the end of it. But 149 00:08:51.840 --> 00:08:56.799 Wolf eight made a different choice. He although he hunted 150 00:08:57.039 --> 00:09:00.440 or he had a fight with almost every pack in 151 00:09:00.519 --> 00:09:05.000 Yellowstone Park at some point in his life, he never 152 00:09:05.840 --> 00:09:10.279 killed his opposing alpha. Not ever. He fought them until 153 00:09:10.320 --> 00:09:14.919 that alpha would submit to him, and once the alpha submitted, 154 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:19.639 he let them go. Wow, which seems on the face 155 00:09:19.679 --> 00:09:23.279 of it like a weak choice. Right, Here's the genius 156 00:09:23.320 --> 00:09:26.919 of it, though, once that wolf packed disperse instead of 157 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:30.279 scattering in panic with those wolves going I don't know 158 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:30.919 what happened there. 159 00:09:31.159 --> 00:09:35.240 It can be out, you know what we do. 160 00:09:37.279 --> 00:09:41.360 Instead, they're still with their alpha, and their alpha takes 161 00:09:41.399 --> 00:09:47.039 them away from Eights territory and says to them, whatever 162 00:09:47.080 --> 00:09:49.759 we do, we are never going to go over there 163 00:09:49.759 --> 00:09:52.159 and fight those wolves again. We are never going to 164 00:09:52.159 --> 00:09:55.200 cross into their territory again. And they tell that to 165 00:09:55.320 --> 00:09:59.360 the next spring, their grandchildren and their great care and children, 166 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:05.840 and so the territory, it's territory, Yeah, became much stronger, sure, right, 167 00:10:05.960 --> 00:10:08.159 stronger than it would have been if he had killed 168 00:10:08.159 --> 00:10:09.080 his opponent. 169 00:10:08.919 --> 00:10:11.039 Right right, because he doesn't always have to defend it 170 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:13.639 now because yeah, well that makes sense. 171 00:10:13.519 --> 00:10:15.519 Right, because they're like, we're not going over We're not going. 172 00:10:15.480 --> 00:10:17.600 To go over there because he was cool, he let 173 00:10:17.679 --> 00:10:18.600 us be. Yeah. 174 00:10:19.519 --> 00:10:24.879 Yeah. And so so I love that there is something 175 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:33.639 that doesn't maybe look powerful in the moment, has more staying. 176 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:35.360 Power, right, Yeah, for sure. 177 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:37.320 And what choice. 178 00:10:37.399 --> 00:10:39.879 Yeah, and what a wonderful lesson to be taught to 179 00:10:40.440 --> 00:10:42.399 young people two. 180 00:10:42.360 --> 00:10:45.879 Right, right, right right? Yeah. Isn't just one way that 181 00:10:45.879 --> 00:10:48.879 that being big and being tough. It's just not the 182 00:10:48.919 --> 00:10:50.320 only way you have options. 183 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:53.480 You have options. Yeah, and usually you know, I mean 184 00:10:53.600 --> 00:10:56.799 for a human, usually bullies, Yeah, they really have very 185 00:10:56.799 --> 00:10:59.279 low self esteem. That's why they're bullies, you know, I mean, 186 00:11:00.879 --> 00:11:05.320 that's really what the bottom line is. Very it's fascinating 187 00:11:05.320 --> 00:11:07.200 and it's fine. I mean, and your story is perfect 188 00:11:07.240 --> 00:11:13.720 because the book obviously follows you know, warm who becomes Fire, 189 00:11:14.080 --> 00:11:16.399 you know his name Fire, but his Wolf eight. Now, 190 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:21.480 other than all of the offspring of Wolf eight, has 191 00:11:21.639 --> 00:11:25.159 there ever been another wolf that's similar to Wolf eight? 192 00:11:25.240 --> 00:11:27.279 Or is he kind of like one of a kind? 193 00:11:29.399 --> 00:11:32.919 Well, he was definitely sort of iconic, okay, history of 194 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:37.440 Yellowstone Park. But the thing, the thing I think is 195 00:11:37.480 --> 00:11:41.960 really beautiful is that many of his offspring and his 196 00:11:42.039 --> 00:11:48.600 adopted pups and the generations following many of them. Here's 197 00:11:48.639 --> 00:11:52.000 the intelligence of wolves. Right when they're in a pack. 198 00:11:52.879 --> 00:11:56.000 They can see if the pack dynamic is working right, right, 199 00:11:56.120 --> 00:12:00.399 they can see, oh, this this hunting strategy works. It again, 200 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:05.919 this strategy for settling a dispute in the pack was successful. 201 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:09.039 I'm gonna I'm going to repeat that I like how 202 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:11.799 I'm treated in this pack. I'm going to stay or 203 00:12:11.879 --> 00:12:13.879 But they can also decide I don't really care for 204 00:12:13.919 --> 00:12:15.960 how I'm treated in this pack. I'm going to go 205 00:12:16.039 --> 00:12:19.639 join the neighbor packs. Right, they have choices and they 206 00:12:19.679 --> 00:12:25.159 can see how different kinds of pack leadership work out, 207 00:12:26.159 --> 00:12:28.600 and so they have some freedom. Once they're adult wolves, 208 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:31.399 they can leave their own pack. They have some freedom 209 00:12:31.480 --> 00:12:36.799 to choose a different pack and a different strategy, and 210 00:12:36.960 --> 00:12:42.000 when they see something that's successful, they're inclined to imitate it, right, 211 00:12:42.080 --> 00:12:48.879 And so many of the legacy of Yellowstone epe Is 212 00:12:48.879 --> 00:12:56.360 is those more compassionate, more collaborative leadership tactics that that 213 00:12:56.559 --> 00:13:00.360 his offspring carried forward into the future. And so you 214 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:03.320 can still see some elements of his leadership style in 215 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:04.600 the park today. 216 00:13:04.679 --> 00:13:08.200 Wow, that's pretty cool. That's very cool and so cool 217 00:13:08.200 --> 00:13:13.799 that you know, discovered this and decided to write about it, 218 00:13:13.879 --> 00:13:15.720 you know, in a kid's book, not really kids, like 219 00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:18.480 a young adult book. Even though I enjoyed it, it 220 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:19.879 was good for me to read. 221 00:13:19.759 --> 00:13:22.799 You know, I always want a book that's fun for 222 00:13:23.720 --> 00:13:24.840 adults to read out. 223 00:13:24.679 --> 00:13:27.360 Loud, yes, right, yes, of course works. 224 00:13:27.120 --> 00:13:29.440 For the whole family, huh. And also that works for 225 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:32.480 teachers to read out loud in their classroom. Yeah. So 226 00:13:32.919 --> 00:13:36.879 that's the thing. The beauty of middle grade, I think especially, 227 00:13:36.879 --> 00:13:38.960 and why I write for that eight to twelve year 228 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:43.759 old audience so often is because it's sort of the 229 00:13:44.039 --> 00:13:46.679 last group of books that are still read out loud. 230 00:13:47.120 --> 00:13:49.320 That's true. I didn't even think of that, but you're right. 231 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:52.360 And I love that. I love the culture of reading 232 00:13:52.399 --> 00:13:55.480 out loud in families. Yes, there's just something really beautiful 233 00:13:55.480 --> 00:13:57.960 when that happens, and so I want to make sure 234 00:13:58.000 --> 00:13:59.480 that my books always read out loud. 235 00:13:59.679 --> 00:14:01.519 Yeah, that makes sense. You know, I wasn't thinking that 236 00:14:01.559 --> 00:14:03.360 when I was reading it. I was thinking more with 237 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:07.000 the with the illustrations. I can in my brain it 238 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:10.759 was a kid, you know, a young adult going to 239 00:14:10.840 --> 00:14:14.639 bed and reading it and with the illustrations and kind 240 00:14:14.639 --> 00:14:17.600 of an easy read for them. But yeah, you're absolutely right, 241 00:14:17.679 --> 00:14:20.840 of course reading it out loud for sure. Yeah. 242 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:24.320 Yeah, and I should say those illustrations are by the 243 00:14:24.639 --> 00:14:30.200 absolutely brilliant Monica Armigo. She is from Madrid, Spain, and 244 00:14:30.639 --> 00:14:34.159 the she works digitally that art. But I just love 245 00:14:34.240 --> 00:14:35.399 the depth un dimensions. 246 00:14:35.480 --> 00:14:39.399 Yes, yes, yes, yeah. 247 00:14:39.639 --> 00:14:43.519 It's so careful to get every species just right, because 248 00:14:43.519 --> 00:14:48.720 some speed like like American badgers are super different from 249 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:51.879 badgers in Europe, right, right, Yadgers in Europe. I've read 250 00:14:51.879 --> 00:14:54.080 but nine and sort of adorable looking. But you know, 251 00:14:54.919 --> 00:14:59.480 badgers in North America are are there? So the one 252 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:03.639 of the most aggressive weasels out there, badgers and wolverine, right, 253 00:15:03.679 --> 00:15:06.240 they won't back come from a bear. They smell bad, 254 00:15:06.559 --> 00:15:10.519 they're extremely crabby. It's a whole other game. Yeah. So's 255 00:15:10.759 --> 00:15:14.039 she's great about being you know, meticulously taken. I kid, 256 00:15:14.080 --> 00:15:18.080 sure she's representing the right species and she's just great 257 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:20.840 to work with. So yeah, and it's the same illustrator 258 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:22.360 as from a wolf called Wander. 259 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:25.200 So I was I was going to ask you about that. 260 00:15:25.399 --> 00:15:27.799 So you've worked obviously you worked with her before, but 261 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:30.799 it was on the other wolf book you had someone 262 00:15:30.799 --> 00:15:33.039 different with Sky, right, with a horse gull Sky. 263 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:37.080 Yeah, Kirby Sagan illustrated a horse named Sky, and a 264 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:39.440 whale of the Wild was illustrated by Lindsay Moore. 265 00:15:39.600 --> 00:15:43.360 Okay, okay, So now I have to ask you this 266 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:47.799 because when we spoke when when a horse named Sky 267 00:15:47.919 --> 00:15:50.480 came out, and I'm sure I asked you what you 268 00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:54.240 were doing next. I don't recall you talking about this book, 269 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:57.320 but you were probably in the process of writing this 270 00:15:57.399 --> 00:16:01.960 book or was this already written? Because I have probably 271 00:16:02.440 --> 00:16:03.480 in the process. 272 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:08.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think do you know why. I 273 00:16:08.480 --> 00:16:10.759 probably didn't say it, Probably because we are still negotiating 274 00:16:10.759 --> 00:16:11.080 the country. 275 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:12.919 Yeah, well that makes sense, of course I get it. 276 00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:17.639 Of course, why would you talk about it? Yeah? Probably 277 00:16:17.679 --> 00:16:19.519 let you brother. You know, I don't remember, but you 278 00:16:19.559 --> 00:16:21.799 probably said, you know, I'm working on something, and you know, 279 00:16:21.879 --> 00:16:24.200 and I said, okay, we'll talk again, never realizing it 280 00:16:24.240 --> 00:16:28.279 would be you know. No, it's wonderful and what I 281 00:16:28.320 --> 00:16:30.080 really Yes, I do. 282 00:16:30.159 --> 00:16:33.519 Have another Voice of the Wilderness novel under contract with 283 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:36.159 Random House. Okay, so the next one will be about 284 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:37.840 Ravens and I'm super excited. 285 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:41.639 Oh I'm excited about that too. Okay, So is that 286 00:16:41.840 --> 00:16:44.559 in the process of being written or written already. 287 00:16:45.600 --> 00:16:47.440 I'm still writing that now, so it's going to be 288 00:16:47.480 --> 00:16:49.600 a while. Ok If I need to finish writing it, 289 00:16:49.639 --> 00:16:52.440 we need to revise, and then the illustrator needs another 290 00:16:52.559 --> 00:16:55.399 six months or so to do all of that. That's 291 00:16:55.440 --> 00:16:57.240 a lot of it. It's like one hundred and thirty. 292 00:16:57.519 --> 00:17:00.000 Yeah, it is a lot. It is. It is a lot. Yeah, 293 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:02.320 but it's great. It's great. But no, I get that. 294 00:17:02.840 --> 00:17:06.960 I mean, I think the illustrations just really describe everything 295 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:09.799 that you just wrote, you know, and the way and 296 00:17:09.839 --> 00:17:12.119 the way you have them disperse, it's like the like 297 00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:14.279 the timing of them. I love timing is the right word, 298 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:17.400 but it's there, it's perfectly spread out, if that makes sense. 299 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:24.839 Yeah, I really. The book designer is Sylvie Lafoux at Hypercollins, 300 00:17:24.880 --> 00:17:29.480 and she's brilliant and making sure each each placement of 301 00:17:29.480 --> 00:17:33.200 each illustration is just right, it's sized right, and the 302 00:17:33.839 --> 00:17:37.640 text curves around the illustration in a beautiful way. And 303 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:40.720 I mean design of a book is a whole art 304 00:17:40.759 --> 00:17:44.519 onto itself. Oh sure, he's brilliant at it. So she 305 00:17:44.599 --> 00:17:47.519 and she and Virginia Duncan are like the perfect team 306 00:17:47.720 --> 00:17:48.960 to work with at Green Willow. 307 00:17:49.119 --> 00:17:51.640 Yeah. So yeah, no, I think it's perfect. And I 308 00:17:51.680 --> 00:17:55.440 love the fact that you know, after the story of 309 00:17:56.480 --> 00:18:00.599 Warm than Fire, that you talk about the real wolf 310 00:18:00.680 --> 00:18:03.480 behind the story and wolves in the wild. So it's 311 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:07.400 very educational as you know, it continues, which I think 312 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:09.240 is a very nice touch as well. 313 00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:12.599 I'm so grateful that they give me lots of room 314 00:18:12.680 --> 00:18:15.319 for back matter because I know kids are really a 315 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:19.519 child loves to know a fact, sure, and I love 316 00:18:19.640 --> 00:18:22.880 to I love to have some places for them to 317 00:18:22.960 --> 00:18:25.839 go with their curiosity and some things for them to 318 00:18:25.839 --> 00:18:28.400 dig in a little more about I want them to 319 00:18:28.480 --> 00:18:33.160 know something about the ecosystems and to think about the 320 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:38.640 environment and so. And also if there's a nonfiction element, 321 00:18:38.799 --> 00:18:41.920 it's also makes it easier for teachers to use it 322 00:18:41.920 --> 00:18:42.640 in the classroom. 323 00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:45.359 Sure, no, for sure, yeah, because then you said, because 324 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:47.319 I was thinking the same thing. Kids are curious, so 325 00:18:47.359 --> 00:18:50.720 it just it kind of satisfies that curiosity for them 326 00:18:50.839 --> 00:18:52.880 after reading the story and like, oh, I want to 327 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:56.480 know what else about this? So that's that's great. So yeah, 328 00:18:56.519 --> 00:19:01.079 so here's something and maybe could you see this as 329 00:19:01.079 --> 00:19:03.039 a movie? 330 00:19:03.559 --> 00:19:07.680 Oh? I sure hope so, oh okay, okay, yeah, we have. 331 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:12.000 We have been talking to film companies, both live action 332 00:19:12.119 --> 00:19:16.200 and animation companies off and on throughout the years, and 333 00:19:16.279 --> 00:19:22.039 so I know that that that they're my agent is 334 00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:24.960 actively working on on pitching it to film companies. 335 00:19:26.759 --> 00:19:27.640 Oh that's great. 336 00:19:28.880 --> 00:19:30.359 Films take a while, of. 337 00:19:30.279 --> 00:19:32.559 Course they do, of course they do. But I think 338 00:19:32.680 --> 00:19:36.519 also having the illustrations that you have, well like kind 339 00:19:36.519 --> 00:19:37.720 of helps that along. 340 00:19:39.400 --> 00:19:41.759 I hope. Yeah. I think it would be a really 341 00:19:41.799 --> 00:19:45.160 fun film to make, And there's been some gorgeous filmmaking 342 00:19:45.839 --> 00:19:49.839 from children's books. I just love the movie from a 343 00:19:49.880 --> 00:19:55.799 Wild Robot Olmer. Yeah, so beautiful and a really emotionally 344 00:19:55.839 --> 00:20:02.400 intelligent story and artfully conveyed. Yeah, with Stadliss so so 345 00:20:02.480 --> 00:20:03.440 I have lots of hope. 346 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:04.839 But yeah, but. 347 00:20:04.839 --> 00:20:08.400 I'm also realistic that that sort of thing will likely 348 00:20:08.440 --> 00:20:08.920 take a while. 349 00:20:09.000 --> 00:20:10.680 It takes a while, right, And it's not like you're 350 00:20:10.680 --> 00:20:13.279 not doing anything else. You're working on your next one. 351 00:20:13.440 --> 00:20:18.279 I have out the Ravens, which, by the way, exactly 352 00:20:18.599 --> 00:20:20.480 saying you're not running out of ideas and you are 353 00:20:20.519 --> 00:20:24.759 currently writing. And I don't think I realized this before. 354 00:20:24.799 --> 00:20:27.759 But is it true you always write your books in 355 00:20:27.839 --> 00:20:31.279 a treehouse, like not in your backyard? Is that true? 356 00:20:31.640 --> 00:20:33.680 I do have a treehouse in my backyard and I 357 00:20:33.839 --> 00:20:37.480 ride up there very often. Nice not today though, because 358 00:20:37.720 --> 00:20:39.480 like thirty degrees out and snowing. 359 00:20:39.480 --> 00:20:41.680 Oh yeah, that would be good. That would yeah, not 360 00:20:41.720 --> 00:20:42.279 a good idea. 361 00:20:42.400 --> 00:20:45.759 Yeah. Also, my seahouse doesn't have walls. Right, If my 362 00:20:45.799 --> 00:20:48.279 treehouse had walls in the door, then raccoons would figure 363 00:20:48.319 --> 00:20:49.559 out a way to get in there and they poop 364 00:20:49.599 --> 00:20:50.200 all over it, and. 365 00:20:50.200 --> 00:20:52.240 Oh, okay, so that would be bad. Yeah, No, I 366 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:52.599 get that. 367 00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:55.039 I get My seahouse is quite open so I worked 368 00:20:55.079 --> 00:20:57.119 there in the summer. I love working there in the summer. 369 00:20:57.200 --> 00:20:57.880 Oh, I'm sure. 370 00:20:57.880 --> 00:21:02.880 In the trees and it's sidealist right right, but it's 371 00:21:03.079 --> 00:21:04.839 it's not an all weather treehouse. 372 00:21:04.920 --> 00:21:06.960 Let's just say, okay, all right, but that makes sense. 373 00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:08.880 It makes sense that you would do your writing there 374 00:21:08.880 --> 00:21:10.119 in the summer. I get it. 375 00:21:10.599 --> 00:21:12.559 Yes, yes, yeah, it's super fun and when the kids 376 00:21:12.559 --> 00:21:14.359 were little, it has a rock wall to get up 377 00:21:14.400 --> 00:21:16.359 and is it blinding it down and nice? 378 00:21:16.559 --> 00:21:21.799 All the fun thing, all fun. That's great. I love it. Yeah. 379 00:21:21.799 --> 00:21:26.200 So okay, a wolf called Fire. So Roseanne, where can 380 00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:27.640 my listeners get this book? 381 00:21:29.440 --> 00:21:31.599 It should be available everywhere. It came out on the 382 00:21:31.640 --> 00:21:35.000 fourth of this month, and so it should be in 383 00:21:35.039 --> 00:21:39.119 your local independent bookstore. I work at an independent bookstore myself, 384 00:21:39.200 --> 00:21:41.519 and a Balloon's in Portland, and so I'm always encouraging 385 00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:44.519 people to get their books there. But it's also available 386 00:21:44.519 --> 00:21:48.480 in the big chains and the big box stores. It's 387 00:21:48.519 --> 00:21:53.440 available online, and it's also I also have to give 388 00:21:53.480 --> 00:21:57.720 a shout out to school and public libraries. I get 389 00:21:58.200 --> 00:22:03.160 terrific support from our libraries, and boy are they in 390 00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:05.000 need of our support now. 391 00:22:04.920 --> 00:22:07.279 Yes, for sure. But that's wonderful. That's good. 392 00:22:07.799 --> 00:22:11.759 Yeah, So if it's if there isn't a bookstore in 393 00:22:11.799 --> 00:22:15.359 your town, or if that would be a big luxury 394 00:22:15.400 --> 00:22:18.640 to get a book, please tell your library. I'm always 395 00:22:18.640 --> 00:22:20.880 grateful when kids check out my books from the library too. 396 00:22:21.079 --> 00:22:23.559 Yeah. I remember as a kid, we had a bookmobile 397 00:22:23.559 --> 00:22:26.279 that would come to my block once a week. It 398 00:22:26.359 --> 00:22:28.480 was so wonderful, like just talking about it, I can 399 00:22:28.519 --> 00:22:30.279 still smell it, and I can't tell you how many 400 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:32.519 years ago it was, but it was just a wonderful 401 00:22:32.519 --> 00:22:35.119