Speaker 1: Callaroga Shark Media.
Speaker 2: From the hockey capital of the world, the United States
Speaker 2: of America. I'm Johnny Mack. Joining us from Canada is
Speaker 2: Mike Chisholm, host of the Letterman podcast. Mike, Anything New,
Speaker 2: What's going on?
Speaker 1: I can't dispute what you just said. Congratulations to the
Speaker 1: American hockey Olympic Hockey teams, both the men and the
Speaker 1: women's for that matter. One of the greatest games of
Speaker 1: all time that I've ever I've just I, uh wow,
Speaker 1: what a game that was yesterday.
Speaker 3: I'm doing good all things considered.
Speaker 1: Considering my boys, we thought that we were going to
Speaker 1: get gold, but ran into a hot goalie and it
Speaker 1: turns out an American team.
Speaker 3: Had had so much heart.
Speaker 1: I just I was astounded at the heart that the
Speaker 1: US hockey team had. Congratulations the Hockey capital of the world.
Speaker 1: Will have to accept that until the World Cup at least.
Speaker 1: But other than that, I'm I'm doing very very well.
Speaker 1: It's good to see you. I would like, if possible,
Speaker 1: for you to compare to me, someone who lives on
Speaker 1: the West Coast. Whatever we hear of something called a nor'easter.
Speaker 1: Over the years, we have seen various effects, especially in
Speaker 1: my view, Letterman having his show either audience free or
Speaker 1: postponed because of it. Compare this nor'easter that you guys
Speaker 1: are going through to ones of the past.
Speaker 2: Sure, so so much to unpack there. First of all,
Speaker 2: I want to point out the difference between Americans and Canadians.
Speaker 2: I went out of my way to get my USA jersey.
Speaker 2: For those of you listening on audio, you don't see it,
Speaker 2: but Mike does. So I have my USA jersey on,
Speaker 2: which of course I wear every day, and you know
Speaker 2: I come on here to raz you and you just
Speaker 2: are very gracious and congratulate the winners. So there's that.
Speaker 2: As for the nor'easters, that is a term I never
Speaker 2: heard until the mid nineties when I worked at WOR
Speaker 2: Radio in New York, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 2: there was a nor'easter. It just seems to be one
Speaker 2: of those things that like a duret sho, like I
Speaker 2: never heard of derecho until like ten years ago. This
Speaker 2: one we probably got just I'm a little Inland. Maybe
Speaker 2: the coast was harder hit as we record on Monday
Speaker 2: morning Inland we got kind of the same amount of
Speaker 2: snow a month ago. People were talking about the equivalent
Speaker 2: of Category two hurricane winds. I saw a watch tweet
Speaker 2: about twenty foot waves off the coast of Long Island,
Speaker 2: So maybe a little further east it's bad. But here
Speaker 2: up in the hills, it's just another winter snowstorm, a
Speaker 2: big one. It was up to my knees. But you know,
Speaker 2: I'm sure others also get snow. It's not the biggest
Speaker 2: deal in.
Speaker 1: The world, okay, but a snow day for the kids.
Speaker 1: Kids are staying home today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all the schools are closed in New York City.
Speaker 2: The mayor didn't even make them do virtual He gave
Speaker 2: them an old fashioned snow day. Nice, but you know,
Speaker 2: you're not going anywhere. You got to dig your cars out,
Speaker 2: and there are safety restrictions in place. You're not supposed
Speaker 2: to go anywhere. There's nowhere to go even if you
Speaker 2: get out. So it's just kind of a it's a
Speaker 2: snow day, good.
Speaker 3: Excuse to get some more podcasting done.
Speaker 2: Exactly. So, I want to ask you about hockey a
Speaker 2: side fil service, yes, sir, so stereotypes aside. How big
Speaker 2: a deal was that game? Is the nation watching? Are
Speaker 2: you guys crushed or you know, what's the what's the
Speaker 2: feeling there.
Speaker 1: I have friends who are certainly crushed who I spoke
Speaker 1: to throughout the day yesterday that were you know, their
Speaker 1: whole day was was well, and it's because of the
Speaker 1: way this day started.
Speaker 3: So I'm on the West coast.
Speaker 1: So the game was five am, and I mean, we
Speaker 1: had restaurants that were open, ticketed events, things like that
Speaker 1: that were so so there was activity definitely happening at.
Speaker 3: Five in the morning.
Speaker 1: I got up and just watched it in my house
Speaker 1: and then was you know, through social media, you know,
Speaker 1: and text messages going back and forth through friends.
Speaker 3: This is a gigantic, gigantic thing up here.
Speaker 1: We winded back to twenty ten when we when we
Speaker 1: host didn't now that at that time the Olympics were
Speaker 1: in Vancouver, but the gold medal game, the men's hockey
Speaker 1: gold medal game, Sidney Crosey, what we call what's known
Speaker 1: in Canada up here as the Golden Goal, just you know, pandemonium, pandemonium,
Speaker 1: and I'm certain that would have happened yesterday as well,
Speaker 1: but you know, it didn't go that way, and so
Speaker 1: you had a lot of people. I went to get
Speaker 1: my wife a coffee at around eight in the morning
Speaker 1: and driving by the Starbucks there was.
Speaker 3: A long, sullen line going through that drive through.
Speaker 1: There were a lot of people at eight in the
Speaker 1: morning that were that were, you know, punched in the gut,
Speaker 1: and it was it was a big deal. But I mean,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, most people that I know,
Speaker 1: when you look at how the Americans finished, and it
Speaker 1: was it was an unbelievable Johnny Goudreau. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you're how big of a hockey fan you are,
Speaker 1: but Johnny Gudrou, who had played for the Calgary Flames,
Speaker 1: Johnny Hockey, we loved him up here. That's the thing
Speaker 1: about Canadians is that that when an American comes up here,
Speaker 1: I think of the Toronto Maple Leafs captain by Austin Matthews.
Speaker 1: You know, unbelievable, unbelievable talent. When an American comes up
Speaker 1: here and in his place for one of our teams,
Speaker 1: typically they're very, very embraced, and Johnny Hockey was certainly that.
Speaker 1: When the game ended, before the team picture was taken
Speaker 1: on the ice, players went and got Johnny Gudrou, who
Speaker 1: who tragically passed away far, far, far too soon. They
Speaker 1: went and grabbed his jersey, brought it out and then
Speaker 1: his kids, his two kids, one of whom had.
Speaker 3: Their I believe it was his first birthday for.
Speaker 1: Johnny Junior yesterday, and so they brought them on the
Speaker 1: ice to have the picture taken with them, and at
Speaker 1: that point, I'm just like, Okay, the hockey guds are
Speaker 1: at play here. The Canadians played the best possible game
Speaker 1: we could play and it was ours to lose. I mean,
Speaker 1: the chances so so so I think most folks, most
Speaker 1: of my hockey loving friends all kind of accept that
Speaker 1: as to as it was our game to lose and
Speaker 1: we the Americans were so resilient, and so yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: It was. It's a huge thing. It's a huge, huge,
Speaker 3: huge thing up here.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, all it does is build
Speaker 1: fire for the World Cup, and I were already talking
Speaker 1: about that. So I think we had the perfect team.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's gonna be any second guessing. I
Speaker 1: think that it was just one of those things where
Speaker 1: we ran into a hot goalie and a team that
Speaker 1: was leading with their heart, and absolutely the heart won
Speaker 1: that day.
Speaker 3: So that's the way I see it.
Speaker 2: I don't want to make it sound like it's nothing
Speaker 2: down here. Going into the game. It was a big
Speaker 2: deal the famous nineteen eighty Olympic hockey team and the
Speaker 2: movie Miracle that comes up in popular culture all the time.
Speaker 2: You might know, maybe three weeks and somebody will bring
Speaker 2: up that game. So it's not like it's bigger than
Speaker 2: if say, America made a run in the World Cup.
Speaker 2: And that might be different with the World Cup being
Speaker 2: in the three countries this year, yep, But you know,
Speaker 2: if if the Americans had made a run in the
Speaker 2: World Cup four years ago, I still think the hockey
Speaker 2: is a bigger deal because nineteen eighty always gets dusted off,
Speaker 2: and now we've got new folk heroes and Jack Hughes's
Speaker 2: and a couple of teeth and getting back out there
Speaker 2: and happening to be the one scoring the goal. I
Speaker 2: mean that's movie stuff, right, Oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was Uh, like I said, the hockey guys were
Speaker 1: at play, and I love that. I love the drama
Speaker 1: of sport and and and sometimes the things that come
Speaker 1: out of it and and I mean, you can't it's funny.
Speaker 3: I had uh.
Speaker 1: I remember people were talking about our first two games
Speaker 1: to get to the gold medal game, and you know
Speaker 1: they're come from behind. You know, over time for the
Speaker 1: for the one game, and and and people were were
Speaker 1: scared and like, oh no, Canada is not dominating. I
Speaker 1: just look at them and go, it doesn't matter if
Speaker 1: Canada just dominates.
Speaker 3: You can't have that. You have to have the chase.
Speaker 1: You have to have the drama, you have to have
Speaker 1: the the back and forth. You know, I don't want
Speaker 1: us to be a dominant I want us to win.
Speaker 1: Of course it's our game, but man, it's got to have.
Speaker 1: Like I think about the Canada Cup eighty seven, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, Gretzky Lemieux on the same team and playing
Speaker 1: the Soviets. It just I mean, and again you go
Speaker 1: back to the maraklon Ice again playing the Soviets. Isn't
Speaker 1: it fun that we have gotten a chance to see
Speaker 1: the Soviets kind of rise and fall. And now it's
Speaker 1: Canada and the US that are that are those two
Speaker 1: dominant teams, and you got your European teams that are
Speaker 1: trying to crack into that. And I just I love
Speaker 1: the hockey culture when it comes to that. I thought
Speaker 1: the Olympics were wonderful this year and seeing the Americans
Speaker 1: take it. Both of the men and the women was
Speaker 1: a sight to be seen. And again tip of the
Speaker 1: cap back in twenty ten. It's one of my favorite
Speaker 1: Letterman clips and it's not available anymore.
Speaker 3: I remembered it.
Speaker 1: I remembered it because it was such a wonderful night,
Speaker 1: the night after the golden goal. So this is be
Speaker 1: The golden goal was scored on a Sunday Olympics end
Speaker 1: and then Monday night you go and watch Letterman and
Speaker 1: he did a desk piece after the monolog and he
Speaker 1: sat down and he said, hey, everybody watched the hockey game,
Speaker 1: and everyone a cheering and all that sort of stuff,
Speaker 1: and he he kind of leans into the cameraon he goes,
Speaker 1: you know, I was watching the game and as it's going,
Speaker 1: and as it's going, and as it's going, he looks
Speaker 1: into the cameraon he goes, I wanted the Canadians to win.
Speaker 1: And I just really appreciated that because you know, we're
Speaker 1: on our home ice and all that, and it was
Speaker 1: just this the fervor was unbelievable and I appreciated that,
Speaker 1: and and and I could appreciate the sentiment especially at
Speaker 1: like I say, once, once I saw the US win yesterday.
Speaker 1: So but yeah, it was it's it's been a it's
Speaker 1: been a it's been a pretty crazy week, John, I've
Speaker 1: had a pretty bonker's week this week.
Speaker 2: Well we'll get to that. Just before we do. I
Speaker 2: have a note here. The President asked me to remind
Speaker 2: you we do have an offer for you to join
Speaker 2: the United States of America, and I stay with me. Huh,
Speaker 2: that would solve your problem because you would then be
Speaker 2: part of the greatest hockey playing nation in the world.
Speaker 2: You would be winners, and to be fair, you would
Speaker 2: immediately have the best state flag. I mean that would
Speaker 2: easily be the of the fifty one, the best state flag.
Speaker 2: So you guys might want to consider our offer and
Speaker 2: join us, and then you could say things like we
Speaker 2: haven't won the Stanley Cup since twenty twenty five, we
Speaker 2: are gold medal winners in the Olympics, and it would
Speaker 2: solve a lot of your problems. So just consider that,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 1: Well, it's something to go workshop, and I think you
Speaker 1: know we'll have We'll get the team on it to
Speaker 1: see if they can iron out a potential thing there.
Speaker 1: But Dave certainly talked about that when he saw something
Speaker 1: when we saw him in Vancouver.
Speaker 3: But we'll get to that.
Speaker 2: Let's get let's get to the reason we are together today.
Speaker 2: They say, don't meet your heroes, and you made your
Speaker 2: way over to Vancouver and there was one David Letterman
Speaker 2: and you met him because I know that, because I
Speaker 2: saw a picture of you and David Letterman. What happened?
Speaker 2: How did that go? Was he a jerk? Was he
Speaker 2: like you have a podcast about me, loser? Or was
Speaker 2: he super cool? Tell us about David Letterman in real life?
Speaker 1: It was amazing. It was an amazing experience. I'll talk
Speaker 1: about the don't meet your heroes like it was cool.
Speaker 1: It was one of those world colliding kind of moments.
Speaker 1: I love when worlds collide, like when the things that
Speaker 1: I'm interested in kind of mix up with each other.
Speaker 1: This one here is a little bit more nostalgic.
Speaker 3: Perhaps.
Speaker 1: I used to go to Vancouver, so I live in
Speaker 1: a place called Colonna. Colonna is about four hours east
Speaker 1: of a drive and a mountain range. You gotta drive
Speaker 1: over a mountain range to get to Vancouver. Since I
Speaker 1: was a child, I would go to Vancouver to go
Speaker 1: see concerts because every major act, for the most.
Speaker 3: Part, would come through Vancouver.
Speaker 1: Vancouver's is an amazing city, and most artists who do
Speaker 1: come through are just struck by its beauty right away
Speaker 1: because it's surrounded by mountains and water and it's just
Speaker 1: this beautiful place. And I would go to see my
Speaker 1: favorite bands play, and there's there's a couple of venues
Speaker 1: in particular that I would go see them play, and
Speaker 1: I would go and hang out by the stage door
Speaker 1: so I could meet some of my favorite acts as
Speaker 1: they would either arrive or you know, sometimes I would
Speaker 1: go see the sound checks and that was fun. But
Speaker 1: I'd remember when I was maybe nineteen or twenty, I
Speaker 1: think I was going out to see Faith No More.
Speaker 1: And there was a bunch of us at the stage
Speaker 1: door behind the Commodore Ballroom, and I met this old
Speaker 1: guy and I then he was an old guy. He
Speaker 1: was probably about forty five, okay, but I was nineteen
Speaker 1: and to that, to me, that was an old guy.
Speaker 1: And it was a bunch of these kids who were
Speaker 1: waiting to meet Faith No More. And there's this old
Speaker 1: guy that was there as well, and I mean he
Speaker 1: started telling his story. So there's a lot of downtime
Speaker 1: when you do this, and and he was started telling.
Speaker 3: Us these stories. He's telling us the story.
Speaker 1: But when you two showed up when you know, in
Speaker 1: seventy nine, and he met them when they were going
Speaker 1: up before they went up for their show, and and
Speaker 1: and different different bands that he met, and and and
Speaker 1: he gave me a piece of advice that I'm forever
Speaker 1: grateful for.
Speaker 3: And it was exactly what you're talking about. Don't meet
Speaker 3: your heroes.
Speaker 1: Well no, he said, meet your heroes, just make sure
Speaker 1: you have zero expectation whatsoever when you meet them, Just zero,
Speaker 1: because what if you meet.
Speaker 3: Him on a bad day.
Speaker 1: What if you meet him after they just had a
Speaker 1: fight with their wife or their husband or whatever. What
Speaker 1: if you just met them after, you know, something something
Speaker 1: major happening.
Speaker 3: They're also probably jet lag.
Speaker 1: They're also waiting to do a show, they're you know,
Speaker 1: they're they're in a different spot. And if they're your hero,
Speaker 1: chances are this part here, I've kind of refined over
Speaker 1: the years, this part here, like, you know, if they're
Speaker 1: if you've got notoriety, chances are they get him of
Speaker 1: a stressful life and they may be able to make time,
Speaker 1: they may not. But either way, just enjoy the experience
Speaker 1: because you just got something that most of the people
Speaker 1: that are going to be in there watching that show
Speaker 1: that night didn't get, and so I carried that with me.
Speaker 1: Now with Dave, those kid gloves have an extra kid
Speaker 1: glove on top of each of them, because he's known.
Speaker 1: He's got this personality that is unique, I think, misunderstood personally.
Speaker 1: I you know, people call a shaff famously, you know,
Speaker 1: call them an a hole on on on on national television.
Speaker 1: But I don't think it's so much that. I just
Speaker 1: think it's a It's just a different, unique personality. And
Speaker 1: when you have somebody with that much talent, guess what,
Speaker 1: they may have some quirks in their personality, you know.
Speaker 1: So so, But that being said, those of us who
Speaker 1: were there and met him that day, you know, not
Speaker 1: even a week ago, we all knew the score. There
Speaker 1: were no autograph hounds out there other than us who
Speaker 1: just would love to get something signed. The small group
Speaker 1: of people that were there there were fans of my show,
Speaker 1: which was very very interesting. We were all decked out
Speaker 1: in letterman stuff, and so I think because of that
Speaker 1: he decided to stop and take some time and spend
Speaker 1: it with us. It was a fantastic experience. He had
Speaker 1: a wise crack For every single one of us who
Speaker 1: who said something to him, immediately he had a wise
Speaker 1: crack back, which delighted us all. And yeah, it was
Speaker 1: it was a very very positive experience. So that's what
Speaker 1: we did. We went to the stage door. But it
Speaker 1: wasn't going to the stage door to see a you know,
Speaker 1: a band that I'm kind of into at the moment.
Speaker 1: It was to see my childhood hero. And so merging
Speaker 1: the world's colliding of those two moments was unbelievable.
Speaker 2: That's super awesome. So he was just walking out from
Speaker 2: the stage to the town car or whatever, and that's
Speaker 2: it the other way.
Speaker 1: So so we show up at the stage door and
Speaker 1: you know, we're sitting there talking and it was cool
Speaker 1: because I got a chance to get some of my
Speaker 1: you know, nervous energy whatever you want to call it out.
Speaker 1: Because the guys when I got there, they were like
Speaker 1: stoked to see me. And so they start asking me
Speaker 1: all these questions about stuff about staffers, about you know,
Speaker 1: stuff that I talked about on the Letterman podcast, and
Speaker 1: they wanted to talk to me about stuff that I.
Speaker 3: Don't say on the show.
Speaker 1: And and and there are things that are kind of
Speaker 1: in that little neutral zone of here's the stuff I
Speaker 1: say on the show, here's the stuff that's in the
Speaker 1: circle of trust for all of these staffers and these
Speaker 1: people that I know that I would never say out loud.
Speaker 1: But then there's some of this stuff in the middle
Speaker 1: here that is probably okay to talk about, but I
Speaker 1: wouldn't talk about it necessarily on the show.
Speaker 3: So a lot of that stuff came out.
Speaker 2: I want to unpack all that, because you know, we're
Speaker 2: not on any kind of clock and we can get
Speaker 2: to Dave I'm fascinated by. So I've been in media
Speaker 2: for thirty something years, so I'm a little more used
Speaker 2: to this than I think you are. Of running into
Speaker 2: Letterman podcast fans, and one of the things I learned
Speaker 2: in talk radio in the nineties and I've talked to people,
Speaker 2: is you mentioned your cat Fluffy one time, and seven
Speaker 2: years later you run into a fan and they go,
Speaker 2: hou's Fluffy the cat doing? And You're like, how do
Speaker 2: you know the name of my cat? And it's because
Speaker 2: one time, at six fourteen in the morning on a
Speaker 2: blizzard Monday, you mentioned Fluffy the cat, and your fans
Speaker 2: create these parasocial relationships with you, and they they think
Speaker 2: they know you, so they know Mike from the Letterman podcast,
Speaker 2: who I assume is a shade of the real person,
Speaker 2: just like I often talk about how Johnny Mack is
Speaker 2: an exaggerated version of john that's all real. I don't
Speaker 2: like Adam Sandler comedies, but I don't rent and rave
Speaker 2: about Adam Sandler comedies being an example of that. So
Speaker 2: I find that really interesting. You also alluded to and
Speaker 2: I've tried to explain this to folks over the years.
Speaker 2: The people who get access don't talk about it. It's
Speaker 2: kind of like the people who were actually getting laid
Speaker 2: didn't need to tell you they were. And it's like
Speaker 2: you can just go about your business and have stories
Speaker 2: and then because you know how to role people trust you.
Speaker 2: Like I've talked about sidebar. So this is the thing
Speaker 2: I find in my own life that if I just
Speaker 2: talk about my own life, I wind up name dropping.
Speaker 2: And I'm not trying to show off. I'm just talking
Speaker 2: about my life. My wife and I went on a
Speaker 2: long drive on Friday and we were listening to Bruno Mars,
Speaker 2: and factually I have met Bruno Mars and he was
Speaker 2: very cool, and we just talked about that, and I
Speaker 2: was just reflect on my own life that I've been
Speaker 2: fortunate and I've been able to do things. I met
Speaker 2: Bruno Mars. I met him for two minutes once and
Speaker 2: he was super cool. But I've met Bruno Mars and
Speaker 2: most people haven't met Bruno Mars, and you just alluded
Speaker 2: to that. Yes, you know so in my own life.
Speaker 2: The example I usually use is I worked with Stephen
Speaker 2: van Zant from the E Street Band for maybe five
Speaker 2: years before I said the word Springsteen. But then our
Speaker 2: relationship was I was just John that produced the show,
Speaker 2: not Springsteen fan. Who's gonna askt even for tickets someday. Yes,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe by us mosis you pick up that
Speaker 2: I speak the language or I know what's going on.
Speaker 2: But I was in the role of I'm here to
Speaker 2: produce your show, mister van Zant, let's let's work on
Speaker 2: this today, not oh my god, I've seen you forty
Speaker 2: five times and I watched his friend hasn't all that?
Speaker 2: So your instincts are correct. There are things we talk about.
Speaker 2: There are the things that we might talk about. There
Speaker 2: are things that we never talk about, and especially things
Speaker 2: that are clearly off the clock. You know. So back
Speaker 2: to the celebrities. If you're David Letterman, you probably just
Speaker 2: want to walk the fifteen feet and get inside and
Speaker 2: get your head into the show. But here are these
Speaker 2: people who love you, and you've got to turn it
Speaker 2: on for a couple of minutes and you have to
Speaker 2: be there for them because and we're all human. If
Speaker 2: Dave or van zandt to Bruno Mars has a bad
Speaker 2: day that one time you met them, Oh so and
Speaker 2: so was a jerk. I don't like so and so,
Speaker 2: and it can ruin it. So for the celebrity, they've
Speaker 2: got to be on all the time. Some of them
Speaker 2: choose not to and don't care. Some of them are
Speaker 2: really really good at it, and you'll walk away going wow,
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm David Letterman's best friend. He knew
Speaker 2: most so much about me. So I just find that
Speaker 2: all interesting as you found yourself in those waters with
Speaker 2: people who listen to you, because we do this right,
Speaker 2: and it's like, all right, you know, my guy in
Speaker 2: on the guy in a basement doing a podcast, it's
Speaker 2: a Letterman podcast. I don't know who actually listens. Well, people
Speaker 2: actually listen, and fans of yours and that's all interesting, right.
Speaker 1: It was, uh, it was, it was fascinating. And and
Speaker 1: the good news with me is that I'm me just
Speaker 1: with the volume turned up. But for the most part,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty high energy. I'm I'm I'm like in real life,
Speaker 1: you meet me, and and if you get me excited
Speaker 1: about something, the enthusiasm just can't help but come out.
Speaker 1: I've got the I've got a boylike enthusiasm that just
Speaker 1: pops out. So that part there is super easy. Now,
Speaker 1: if I had just had a fight with my wife again,
Speaker 1: that that's that's you know, the situational part of it,
Speaker 1: I might not be. But that day, because everybody was
Speaker 1: sort of on the same page and everybody had a
Speaker 1: singular focus. We were all little kids and and and
Speaker 1: so they start asking me questions, and most of the
Speaker 1: questions are like, hey, like like, let's talk about what's
Speaker 1: Rupert really like. So I'm like, all right, well, let's
Speaker 1: get the let's get the FaceTime out. Let's FaceTime Rupert
Speaker 1: and and you know, and to them, they're like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, like they just their heads exploded. So I
Speaker 1: didn't need to even really like, I'll go I'll give
Speaker 1: you an example of I'll give you an example of
Speaker 1: what you just said, and and something they asked me
Speaker 1: and they said, okay, so are.
Speaker 3: They going to record this?
Speaker 1: Is it going to come out? Is it going to
Speaker 1: come out? And I said no, and they said, well
Speaker 1: why not. I said, here's the thing. Dave has a
Speaker 1: show on Netflix. It's called My Next Guest needs no introduction.
Speaker 1: It is, as far as Netflix goes, a very prestigious
Speaker 1: show for their brand. It's one of their most prestigious shows.
Speaker 1: Netflix views David Letterman as one of their signature stars,
Speaker 1: and he is. He absolutely is. And the show has
Speaker 1: a very distinct flavor. Over the seven or eight years
Speaker 1: or whatever they've been doing them, they have really, really,
Speaker 1: you know, it's got an identity of its own. And
Speaker 1: when Dave does something like this at one of the
Speaker 1: comedy festivals where he interviews somebody or has a conversation
Speaker 1: with somebody on stage, it is similar to My Next Guest.
Speaker 1: And if they were to record that and put it
Speaker 1: out anywhere, that would diminish the star power or the
Speaker 1: prestige of the uniqueness of what Dave is to Netflix,
Speaker 1: and that wouldn't be a good thing, especially when you
Speaker 1: consider Dave's got a staff and producers and people and
Speaker 1: a team where their livelihoods depend on that show and
Speaker 1: if it gets diminished, well that's not a good thing
Speaker 1: for anybody. And so you know, they completely understood that
Speaker 1: when I said them, great, I'm not telling him where
Speaker 1: I got that information from. I'm not telling them who
Speaker 1: if anybody specifically told me that or if so. There's
Speaker 1: an example of sometimes you can let information out without
Speaker 1: saying necessarily where it came from and how you know,
Speaker 1: and all that sort of stuff. And so I had
Speaker 1: a few little moments like that, and then there was
Speaker 1: a couple of ones where somebody said, ask me a question.
Speaker 3: I'm just like, I don't know, you know, and I
Speaker 3: just I can't answer that.
Speaker 2: It's also because you are expert in the Letterman verse.
Speaker 2: You just know stuff by osmosis or you just pick
Speaker 2: up on things. No one has told me anything that
Speaker 2: you said. No one has told me anything about a
Speaker 2: Netflix deal or whatever. But it makes total sense. Netflix
Speaker 2: has a comedy festival, JFL is a different comedy festival. Yes,
Speaker 2: of course they don't want Dave to step on the
Speaker 2: Netflix brand with something really similar. That all makes sense,
Speaker 2: But I have no inside information there. But just top
Speaker 2: of mine, because we're on this corner. I'm picking up
Speaker 2: that Stephen Colbert keeps going out of his way to
Speaker 2: say he thanks Letterman, he thanks CBS for the eleven years.
Speaker 2: And I keep noticing he keeps phrasing it a certain way,
Speaker 2: and my spidery sense is just going, huh, that seems deliberate.
Speaker 2: And I don't know why, but it seems deliberate. No
Speaker 2: one has told me that, but I've just been doing
Speaker 2: this long enough and I notice things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've noticed that too. I'm grateful for the eleven
Speaker 1: years that I've had on CBS or something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's very and I mean I would think that it like,
Speaker 1: what a unique way for his show. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: interesting to look back, you know, five years from now,
Speaker 1: to look back on this time and how how Colbert
Speaker 1: show ends. I mean, you think about how Conan ended
Speaker 1: his Tonight show run. You think about how and then
Speaker 1: then his uh, his TBS run for that matter. You
Speaker 1: think about how Dave of course left uh CBS and
Speaker 1: and and it's just gonna be interesting to see what
Speaker 1: Stephen does after this and reading the tea leaves that
Speaker 1: you're reading right now, how the tea actually tastes on
Speaker 1: the other side one when it served to us. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be very very interesting to see how that goes.
Speaker 1: But with all of the polarization that's happening, Dave sure
Speaker 1: got out when he did at the right time, because
Speaker 1: I look at the reaction he got in Vancouver, and
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy is an icon and Colbert will
Speaker 1: be an icon as well. We're just gonna see how
Speaker 1: that shapes out. But yeah, I I uh. When you
Speaker 1: talk about seeing the seeing things that are going on, U,
Speaker 1: that's exactly right. And sometimes it is common sense, but
Speaker 1: sometimes you also have things confirmed that with a little
Speaker 1: bit more specificy.
Speaker 2: So more with Mike Chisholm from the Letterman Podcast after this,
Speaker 2: So I love talking to you. We're a half hour
Speaker 2: in the topic is you met David Letterman? And so
Speaker 2: far half hour in we've gotten as far as you're
Speaker 2: standing there and David Letterman's about to get out of
Speaker 2: a car. That's as far as we've gotten into the story.
Speaker 2: Half an hour in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: What happened was the stage door for the Queen Elizabeth,
Speaker 1: the Queen of his Elizabeth Theater is a beautiful, beautiful Theater,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's about three almost three thousand people.
Speaker 1: And you know, Dave did thirty seconds on named after
Speaker 1: Queen Elizabeth after her legendary run of whatever it was.
Speaker 3: In the seventies, and that's why the theater was named
Speaker 3: after her. And it was just, you know, he.
Speaker 1: Made a an amazing Stanley Park joke, just such a
Speaker 1: such a wonderful, wonderful night that was completely curated for
Speaker 1: the audience that was in attendance. But the Queen Elizabeth
Speaker 1: Theater has a main entrance and then there's a stage door.
Speaker 1: We were by the stage door, and what happened was
Speaker 1: it was actually Dave's entourage. In the entourage is two people,
Speaker 1: his assistant and UH and and his guy.
Speaker 3: They showed up and they showed up in front of Dave.
Speaker 3: I was around the corner.
Speaker 1: So the other four fans, two of them of our
Speaker 1: show or three of them actually of our show.
Speaker 3: UH, were there and I was around the corner.
Speaker 2: Wait, is Heave a limo guy or a town car guy?
Speaker 1: No, it was an it was a it was a
Speaker 1: white tahoe. Wasn't a black tahoe or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Zach came in a black one Dave came in a
Speaker 1: white one but shows up and Park's partner.
Speaker 2: That alone is interesting to me because I have this
Speaker 2: whole story I won't tell her right now of uh
Speaker 2: looking a white limousine for Jamie Fox at the super
Speaker 2: Bowl one time and he wouldn't ride in a white limousine.
Speaker 2: The short version of this story is white limos are
Speaker 2: for proms, and we had a black limousine out of
Speaker 2: our hat and it was very, very stressful. But it'll
Speaker 2: take me half an hour tell that story, all right,
Speaker 2: So it's a white tahoe. Dave is okay with all
Speaker 2: sorts of palettes for his vehicles. That's good to know.
Speaker 1: A R.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was spit dropting, no, no, no, please.
Speaker 3: And anytime it was it was uh.
Speaker 1: It wasn't even like it didn't even look like there
Speaker 1: was no pomp and circumstance with it whatsoever.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 1: It was not I would even say, nondescript. And uh. So,
Speaker 1: So I was around the corner doing something and one
Speaker 1: of the guys texted me get here now. I'm like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: So I go back around and uh and as I'm
Speaker 1: walking towards I'm seeing Mary Barkley who you know. Dave's
Speaker 1: Dave's right hand. She's on the Barber Gain show. Everyone
Speaker 1: loves Everybody loves Mary. She's awesome. I see her, she
Speaker 1: is just going into the venue. I think we caught eyes,
Speaker 1: and I was just kind of like, I'm terrified of Mary.
Speaker 1: I've said that from the very beginning. Every time I've
Speaker 1: seen her in an event where she's there, I just
Speaker 1: kind of look at her. I'm like, I'm terrified of you.
Speaker 1: It's just I don't know if it's a bit, but
Speaker 1: I really am terrified of her. She's the gatekeeper, she's
Speaker 1: she's you know. I don't want to piss Mary off.
Speaker 3: Ever.
Speaker 1: I see her, I see Dave starting to talk to
Speaker 1: the guys, and she goes into the venue. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: and then I see Dave's guy as I'm walking over.
Speaker 1: The second was maybe the third of the of the
Speaker 1: group that were there had their moment with Dave, and
Speaker 1: I just kind of sidle up to Dave's guy and
Speaker 1: I kind of, you know, let him know that I'm
Speaker 1: there and I'm just watching Dave blow these guys' minds.
Speaker 3: And it was cool because I didn't get starstruck at all.
Speaker 1: I had a care package, a little care package for
Speaker 1: him that I didn't end up giving to him, but
Speaker 1: it had like funny things that had picture of Bruno Jerusi,
Speaker 1: who the beachcomber. I had that Dave was on Bruno
Speaker 1: Jerusy's Celebrity Chefs. That was his first television appearance once
Speaker 1: he became a comedian, and it happened to be in Vancouver.
Speaker 3: So I had a picture to.
Speaker 1: That some Canadian snacks and things like that that I
Speaker 1: would give to him if the opportunity arose. So I'm
Speaker 1: sitting there just that with that patiently, and he finishes
Speaker 1: with I guess the fourth guy and I and I
Speaker 1: just said, Dave man, I please take a selfie. And
Speaker 1: this is where people said to me, did you tell
Speaker 1: him who you were? Did he recognize you?
Speaker 3: And all of that.
Speaker 1: Never in a million years would I identify myself as
Speaker 1: to who I was. If if if if it happened, great,
Speaker 1: if he recognized me, great, I know the deal.
Speaker 3: There's no way I'm gonna do that.
Speaker 1: Dave, I find wasn't really looking up each other in
Speaker 1: the eyes or anything like that because they were late
Speaker 1: for rehearsal. Dave's other producer Walter, who runs the let
Speaker 1: YouTube channel. He'd shown up about twenty minutes earlier and
Speaker 1: get a big hug, good to see you, and he's like,
Speaker 1: I got to get in I'm late for rehearsal, and.
Speaker 3: We're like, okay, no problem.
Speaker 1: And Dave didn't show up for another twenty minutes after that,
Speaker 1: so you know, they needed to get in there. And
Speaker 1: so I think Dave just wanted to give us our moment,
Speaker 1: but he needed to get in there because he had
Speaker 1: stuff to do. The show was much more complex than
Speaker 1: anybody ever realized it was going to be. There was
Speaker 1: a need for a rehearsal and a blocking, there's no
Speaker 1: question about that. But he did take that time for us.
Speaker 1: So when he came over to me that the selfie
Speaker 1: was great, he took us out. We made sure it
Speaker 1: was a good picture, which was which was.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 1: And then I got him to sign a que card.
Speaker 1: I've got David lit him an autographs. There's one que
Speaker 1: card in particular that I have that I just love.
Speaker 1: It's actually a CBS joke and and and so he
Speaker 1: signed it, and as he signed it, I was I
Speaker 1: was hoping that maybe, just maybe we could get him
Speaker 1: to perform the joke, and I've got.
Speaker 3: It right here.
Speaker 1: I know it's it's yours' audio mind's video though, So
Speaker 1: this is from I believe it's ninety six. It might
Speaker 1: have been the very first year of Survivor, and this
Speaker 1: is the first show after the Survivor finale.
Speaker 3: Welcome my Name is Dave.
Speaker 1: So Dave comes out, the monologue is about to start,
Speaker 1: Welcome my Name is Dave, CBS's only true Survivor, which
Speaker 1: to me, with the benefit of hindsight, is ironic as
Speaker 1: all get out. Dave the only guy that has that
Speaker 1: called his own shot at CBS.
Speaker 3: He started when he started, and he ended when he ended.
Speaker 1: While Survivor is over, now forty million Americans can now
Speaker 1: get back into the habit of not watching CBS, which
Speaker 1: to me is funny beyond all measure. There's Dave's signature
Speaker 1: on the bottom there. By the way, if somebody is
Speaker 1: ever going to look to get an autograph from one
Speaker 1: of their favorite celebrities, make sure you test the pen,
Speaker 1: even if it's a brand new pen. Get it rolling here.
Speaker 1: Dave made a comment about how crappy of a pen
Speaker 1: it was. It was brand new, but I hadn't tested it,
Speaker 1: yet on the back of the card the head monologu
Speaker 1: writer at the time gave Abelson, he signed it for
Speaker 1: me and stuff. So this is a very special piece
Speaker 1: of cardboard to me. And I said to Dave, I said, Dave,
Speaker 1: I would love maybe if you could perform the joke,
Speaker 1: and he goes, if I was any good at performing jokes,
Speaker 1: I'd still have a show, which again was worth the
Speaker 1: price of admission rate there for me. But I was
Speaker 1: wearing a Barbara Gain shirt and so Dave's guy, as
Speaker 1: we're going through this, points at my barber Gain' shirt
Speaker 1: and he says, hey, Dave, look look like he tried
Speaker 1: to give me. And of course Dave's guy knew what
Speaker 1: knw I was, and so he's pointing at my barber
Speaker 1: Gain shirt. And I appreciate that very, very very much,
Speaker 1: because if there was more time or in another, you know,
Speaker 1: slightly different tick of the universal time clock, Dave might
Speaker 1: have looked at it and it might have created another
Speaker 1: opportunity to then have that. But he was late for rehearsal,
Speaker 1: so it was like no, no, no, you gotta go. There
Speaker 1: you go, guys, and we're all just flabbergasted. And it
Speaker 1: blew our minds. It blew our minds. It was an
Speaker 1: amazing encounter before an even more amazing show.
Speaker 3: So so that was that was That was a very
Speaker 3: very very.
Speaker 1: Special moment for these guys, especially like most people who
Speaker 1: love David Letterman don't ever think they're going to have
Speaker 1: an encounter with David Letterman, and they all did. It
Speaker 1: was a positive experience. I think you saw the video
Speaker 1: of all of us afterwards. We were all giddy as schoolboys.
Speaker 1: It was just a it was a phenomenal experience. So yeah,
Speaker 1: and then the show, well, this one other thing happened.
Speaker 1: One of thing happened. But anyways, keep going ask that
Speaker 1: question and I'll tell you the other thing that happened.
Speaker 2: You also have a selfie with our good friend Paul Shaeffer.
Speaker 1: Okay, so Dave goes he goes in, and we're all
Speaker 1: standing there and we're all letting the moment kind of breathe,
Speaker 1: but also like, what the hell just happened, and we
Speaker 1: were just kind of decompressing, and we had all this crazy,
Speaker 1: univerous energy that was going out, Like I think there
Speaker 1: was a little bit of dancing at one point. It
Speaker 1: was just lovely, and then another very shiny, you.
Speaker 3: Know, you can tell it's kind of a high end rental.
Speaker 1: But again, nondescript minivan shows up and we're all guy like,
Speaker 1: all right, let's go meet Zach.
Speaker 3: And we're just like.
Speaker 1: Okay, And there's a you know, maybe one hundred feet
Speaker 1: or fifty feet between the where the vehicle stops in
Speaker 1: the stage door, and we're like okay, and out pops
Speaker 1: Paul Shaffer and all of us just kind of looked
Speaker 1: at each other and we're like what because he was
Speaker 1: not advertised for the show, makes a lot of sense
Speaker 1: that Paul might be there because they're up here in Canada.
Speaker 1: But it's West Coast Canada, you know, that ain't where
Speaker 1: Paul resides.
Speaker 2: Paul's yeah, you know, Canada is a big country. It's
Speaker 2: it's pretty big. But yeah, I was I when I
Speaker 2: saw the selfie, I was like, I don't think they
Speaker 2: announced Schaeffer and you know, well he's Canadian, so of
Speaker 2: course he would. But like like I said, like, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm not showing up in La today, right.
Speaker 3: It it was. It was.
Speaker 1: It was a coda, and a surprising one, to say
Speaker 1: the least for all of us, Completely unexpected and we're like, okay,
Speaker 1: so what's better than meeting Dave. Let's meet Dave and Paul.
Speaker 1: And Paul gets out of the van and he looks
Speaker 1: and he goes, guys, guys, guys, I'm really late, but
Speaker 1: I can't.
Speaker 3: I can't. I gotta go.
Speaker 1: I gotta get in there. And and he just we're
Speaker 1: like okay. He goes after like all right, true to
Speaker 1: his word. About forty minutes later, Paul comes out immediately
Speaker 1: recognizes me, which I was so stoked about because I
Speaker 1: met Paul a few times and he's been on the
Speaker 1: show and whatnot, so I've been it a few times.
Speaker 3: So he which delighted me to no end.
Speaker 1: Again, the inner child in me is just alive and
Speaker 1: well at this point, gives us some gives us all
Speaker 1: the glad hand and selfies and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: One of the guys, who's.
Speaker 1: A really really really old school late night fan, asks
Speaker 1: Paul about a song that he did for a bit
Speaker 1: called Mister Humidity. Paul'saying, I think, so, I think I
Speaker 1: think I kind of remember it the guy sang it.
Speaker 1: He goes, yeah, I think I remember it, and uh
Speaker 1: and and that was fun and and and we had
Speaker 1: a we had we had a good time with him,
Speaker 1: and then and he's like, Okay, I gotta go. He left,
Speaker 1: and then we messaged, like Don Giller to find out
Speaker 1: about mister Humidity, and we found out all the details
Speaker 1: about that, and he messaged us back and told us
Speaker 1: about the dates and times and the lyrics of the
Speaker 1: song and so that was fun. But yeah, we had
Speaker 1: no idea Paul was going to be there. Now I
Speaker 1: had heard that the original thought was that Marty Short
Speaker 1: was going to be the guest.
Speaker 3: And it makes sense.
Speaker 1: The Canadiana of it all makes sense, and having Paul
Speaker 1: there and whatnot. Marty Short has now been announced that
Speaker 1: he is going to be one of two guests that
Speaker 1: Dave will speak to at the Netflix as a Joke
Speaker 1: Comedy festival in May down in La So one would
Speaker 1: think that Paul is of course going to be a
Speaker 1: part of that because he and Marty have this connection
Speaker 1: and whatnot. So it makes sense if that was the case.
Speaker 1: I don't know for a fact that it's the case,
Speaker 1: but I know that there were some people that were
Speaker 1: scratching their heads before the show as to why Zach
Speaker 1: Galifanakis was chosen. But during the show it became very
Speaker 1: parent why it was Zach that was on stage with
Speaker 1: Dave and I can go into that here. But at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, seeing Paul there definitely threw
Speaker 1: us through a loop. But when the show began, everything
Speaker 1: at all kind of all the pieces kind of came together.
Speaker 1: This was a very very well curated show. David Letterman
Speaker 1: is seventy eight years old. He could have very easily
Speaker 1: just come out, made a couple very surfacy jokes. Everybody
Speaker 1: would have been so happy about that, brought Zach out,
Speaker 1: had a meaningful conversation with him. He could probably do
Speaker 1: that on autopilot, because you know, he's had him on
Speaker 1: My Next Guest before and it was a very very
Speaker 1: good episode.
Speaker 3: I highly recommend it. But that wasn't this.
Speaker 1: This was a very well put together show and a
Speaker 1: very well curated show, and having Paul there is a
Speaker 1: part of that curation.
Speaker 2: Where does Paul live these days?
Speaker 3: I think New York is where That's what I thought,
Speaker 3: where he spends most of his time. I think that's
Speaker 3: where he is most of the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, just living my life as a New Yorker.
Speaker 2: I was on Ninth Avenue at some point. I don't
Speaker 2: know in the last forty years getting food, and so
Speaker 2: was Paul Schaeffer. But as New Yorkers, that happens, and
Speaker 2: New Yorkers tend to leave the celebs alone, and you know,
Speaker 2: just you'd notice. So, yeah, this Paul Shaffer and you
Speaker 2: just go about your business. So that's why I thought
Speaker 2: he was from New York as well.
Speaker 3: He plays a lot still, like like he and Will
Speaker 3: Lee will do gigs down at the Bitter.
Speaker 1: End with with OSINOI and and different musicians as well.
Speaker 3: He plays a lot of gigs out there still.
Speaker 1: And the night I saw him do that a few
Speaker 1: years ago, you know, Paul's wife Kathy was there and
Speaker 1: all that you could tell.
Speaker 3: They just they came from home.
Speaker 1: You know, she stayed there for the first show, she
Speaker 1: went home and then and then Paul did the second
Speaker 1: show as well. So yeah, I think I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: he spends most of his.
Speaker 3: Time in New York.
Speaker 2: And he also blew my mind. I guess I just
Speaker 2: don't pay attention that David Letterman is seventy eight, which
Speaker 2: is kind of sort of almost eighty. Yeah, boy, time
Speaker 2: goes fast because he seems younger, whereas I'm running into
Speaker 2: clips of the worst person who ever lived Jay Leno,
Speaker 2: and Jay seems old at these Like Jay all of
Speaker 2: a sudden got aged. His speaking voice has aged, He
Speaker 2: looks old. I'm sure it's the stress with Mavis doesn't help,
Speaker 2: but Jay has gotten old. Like I feel like I
Speaker 2: could throw a suit on Dave and maybe ask him
Speaker 2: to shave the beard, and he could fill in for
Speaker 2: Colbert next week, and you would be like, yeah, this
Speaker 2: makes sense. And I'm not one hundred percent sure I
Speaker 2: could throw Jay Leno on the Tonight Show for a
Speaker 2: week in twenty twenty six. I don't say that with
Speaker 2: malice or anything. We're all getting older for everybody else.
Speaker 2: The first thing I said to Mike before we hit record,
Speaker 2: I jumped on the camera, looked at myself and said,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm getting bald or whatever I said
Speaker 2: about my own hairline. So you know, it's not a dig,
Speaker 2: it's just time passes. But yeah, I I didn't think
Speaker 2: of Dave as somebody who's sort of almost eighty.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And and and for me thinking about that kind of
Speaker 1: watching him on stage, I was in the second row.
Speaker 1: And and and I no offense to Zach, but I
Speaker 1: basically was watching Dave almost the entire time just to
Speaker 1: see mannerisms and things like that. You talk about when
Speaker 1: you know he might have to turn it on for
Speaker 1: the fans or whatever. I think that I think that
Speaker 1: you know, similar to when you know shortly after nine eleven,
Speaker 1: within a couple of years after nine to eleven, Dave
Speaker 1: stopped going to rehearsals and and and part of that
Speaker 1: was energy conservation. When he came out on stage, he
Speaker 1: was the Dave that we the energy was super high,
Speaker 1: was super high. The way the show started was he
Speaker 1: did his own intro, and his intro was hilarious. He
Speaker 1: was off stage and he's like, ladies and gentlemen, welcome
Speaker 1: to the Queen Elizabeth Theater. And then he starts talking
Speaker 1: about the curling scandal that had been happening at the
Speaker 1: Olympics with the Canadians with the double touch and things
Speaker 1: like that that were happening.
Speaker 2: And Nice did not have a good week. I forgot,
Speaker 2: why are you cheating at curly? What are you doing?
Speaker 2: And it was more than once right the Swedes.
Speaker 1: The Swedes were not happy with with the way that
Speaker 1: the Canadians curled, and and and uh yeah, it was
Speaker 1: it was oh man, and and and funny to hear
Speaker 1: because it had just because we saw him on the Wednesday,
Speaker 1: I think it was the Monday where where where that
Speaker 1: all happened. So clearly he's he's he's uh, you know,
Speaker 1: clearly his introduction for himself is a living document because
Speaker 1: you know, let's throw in this, let's.
Speaker 3: Throw in that.
Speaker 1: And he comes out on stage and he any and
Speaker 1: he starts. You know, when Walter Kim was there and
Speaker 1: and and Walter was is the guy who runs all
Speaker 1: of Dave's his his his curated content, his his late
Speaker 1: night his late show stuff, the YouTube channel, all of
Speaker 1: that stuff that's Walter's world. Walter runs all of that,
Speaker 1: the Barber Gain show, you know, he films that and
Speaker 1: and edits and puts it all up. So Walter was there,
Speaker 1: and and as Dave comes out on stage, she's sitting
Speaker 1: there talking about his history. And he would go through
Speaker 1: his history and then Walter would put clips up, and
Speaker 1: so we got clips of Dave. By the way, a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't remember this or or have noted
Speaker 1: this necessarily, but back in the day when Dave was
Speaker 1: at the radio station, I believe it was in Muncie.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it was at Muncie.
Speaker 1: I just like saying Munsie, but he was there, and
Speaker 1: it showed a picture of him and he had this
Speaker 1: huge beard and now it was a hutter right beard.
Speaker 1: He had no mustache, but he had a big beard
Speaker 1: at that point and it was it was neat to
Speaker 1: see that.
Speaker 3: So they would show pictures of him.
Speaker 1: Then they showed as he was building his They showed
Speaker 1: the clip with him and Bruno Jerusy Canadian own beachcomber
Speaker 1: Bruno Drewsy.
Speaker 3: They showed clips of that.
Speaker 1: They showed the Mary Tyler Moore clip, the famous clip
Speaker 1: where where Dave and Michael Keaton are doing the singing
Speaker 1: and dancing on stage, and it was fun. It looked
Speaker 1: like Walter was messing with him a little bit because
Speaker 1: the clip was on and then Dave's like, Okay, that's enough,
Speaker 1: and they let the clip keep going and he's like, Walter, no,
Speaker 1: like he's really to stop the clip.
Speaker 3: They let the clip go all the way, showed.
Speaker 2: Clip from my shows. Listeners just really quickly explain, please sorry.
Speaker 2: After the Mary Tyler Moore show, Mary Tyler Moore at
Speaker 2: a variety show on CBS, and the cast did include
Speaker 2: Michael Keaton and a youngish David Letterman. And if you
Speaker 2: want to see Dave dressed like a nerd doing typical
Speaker 2: I guess that's early eighties variety show, singing and dancing,
Speaker 2: picture the Brady Bunch Kids Variety Hour, and throw David
Speaker 2: Letterman on that and you're close enough. Sorry I have
Speaker 2: interrupted again, Mike.
Speaker 3: No, please, do I do that all the time.
Speaker 1: I assume people know what I'm talking about, which is
Speaker 1: rarely the case. And so he uh, you know, went
Speaker 1: through his history and hilarious as he did it. I mean,
Speaker 1: he brought up the they brought up the Trump tweet
Speaker 1: where you know, whatever happened to David Letterman, no talent,
Speaker 1: no this or like you know, it's it's a kind
Speaker 1: of worked like a badge of honor. But then he
Speaker 1: he started talking about how much he loved loves Canada
Speaker 1: and and and uh, I don't know. It was almost
Speaker 1: like if there was a theme of the show was
Speaker 1: acting as an emissary, you know, to say, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: we acknowledge some of the stuff that's being said in
Speaker 1: the greater narrative of the world right now, and what's
Speaker 1: happening in the Canada US tensions and things like that,
Speaker 1: and and and he really really did a great job
Speaker 1: of playing on that, not in a way that the
Speaker 1: current late night talk shows do, not to create more polarization.
Speaker 3: Not to I mean, he poked.
Speaker 1: Fun at at at Donald President Trump, of course, you know,
Speaker 1: because of the tweets and some of the direct things
Speaker 1: or whatever, But he didn't really it wasn't a it
Speaker 1: wasn't a bashing or anything like that. It was just
Speaker 1: more of a recognition of what was going on, and hey,
Speaker 1: let's let's.
Speaker 3: Make this better.
Speaker 1: By the way, the ovation that Dave got I should
Speaker 1: I really need to note that when he brought himself
Speaker 1: out the place. To say the place went nuts is
Speaker 1: not accurate. It was way more than that. And and
Speaker 1: I'd never seen Dave in a space that big before.
Speaker 1: I've seen him at the Rector Mantamon Theater and and
Speaker 1: another theater in la And then of course he had
Speaker 1: Sullivan Theater, you know, at Sullivant Theater four hundred seats,
Speaker 1: five hundred seats. That's the most Manzban's least like the
Speaker 1: other ones are intimate, they're smaller, but this place three
Speaker 1: thousand seats, and the entire place erupted in a standing
Speaker 1: ovation that would shake the foundation. It was, and it
Speaker 1: was long, long enough that Dave got really uncomfortable. Okay,
Speaker 1: like it was a long, long, long thing. Then he
Speaker 1: went through what I just talked about, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: roll at Walter and and and and and and the
Speaker 1: video clips and whatnot, and then he brought Paul Shaffer
Speaker 1: out on stage, and everybody went crazy for Paul Shaeffer
Speaker 1: and uh as almost as crazy for Paul as Dave.
Speaker 3: And Dave said here, this is a.
Speaker 1: Song that I've I used to get Paul to play
Speaker 1: every once in a while on the show. And he goes,
Speaker 1: it's a song that I love and we're going to
Speaker 1: sing it together right now, and a huge Canadian flag
Speaker 1: comes from the rafters down and we sing Oh Canada,
Speaker 1: and Paul leads us to sing o Canada with his
Speaker 1: beautiful Steinway and Soun's grand piano that's on stage just
Speaker 1: off to the left of the chairs that Dave and
Speaker 1: Zach would occupy. So we sing O Canada together and
Speaker 1: that was a lot of fun. So that was how
Speaker 1: the show started. And this is probably twenty minutes before
Speaker 1: Zach even comes out, So that alone the prep for that,
Speaker 1: you know, the writing of it, the rewriting, the revisions
Speaker 1: of it that would have taken a lot of effort
Speaker 1: to do. That wasn't necessary because the place sold out
Speaker 1: in four minutes. So they rose to the occasion to
Speaker 1: give us something that was unique. And this is all
Speaker 1: before Zach comes out. So it was a beautiful, beautiful
Speaker 1: precursor to what was then about to happen.
Speaker 2: Take one more break and we'll come back and talk
Speaker 2: more with Mike Chisholm from The Letterman Podcast. My mind
Speaker 2: is now thinking more about this event, so let me
Speaker 2: break this support several ways. We're just for laughs. We're
Speaker 2: going to throw a comedy festival. It's not our big one.
Speaker 2: Our big ones in Montreal, we have some international ones.
Speaker 2: This is a bit of a newer one. Let's book
Speaker 2: some comedians. Okay, So and so's touring. We're tight with
Speaker 2: these agents, We're tight with these managers. These people are
Speaker 2: friends of the festival and off and do the festivals.
Speaker 2: Let's get some local people in. And then somebody said,
Speaker 2: let's ask David Letterman like that just seems odd. I'll continue.
Speaker 2: If you're David Letterman, Okay, yeah, I'm reasonably retired. Ish
Speaker 2: if I need to scratch a creative itch. I'll just
Speaker 2: go on the Barber Gain Show. If I'm I want
Speaker 2: to comment on current events, I'll go on the Barber
Speaker 2: Gain Show. Or I could, I guess, just go on
Speaker 2: YouTube myself. I could give an interview with The New
Speaker 2: York Times. If I feel like I need to be heard,
Speaker 2: if I need to perform, I can go to Los
Speaker 2: Angeles and the Netflix Comedy Festival, with whom I have
Speaker 2: a relationship. So why is David Letterman at JFL Vancouver.
Speaker 2: Even JFL Montreal would be a one hour flight in
Speaker 2: and out and I'm back home for dinner. Why is
Speaker 2: David Letterman going to Vancouver? And all Schaefer comes that
Speaker 2: just this is I'm adding up two and two and
Speaker 2: I'm getting seventeen here.
Speaker 1: Well, and I mean, it's funny at seventy eight that
Speaker 1: this kind of of a path might reveal itself. But
Speaker 1: first off, JFL Vancouver, I believe this is ten years,
Speaker 1: like I remember just before the pandemic, and I'm talking
Speaker 1: maybe weeks before the pandemic. In twenty twenty, I went
Speaker 1: and saw Bill Burr for the just for laughs. So
Speaker 1: this is back in twenty twenty, I saw Burrs one
Speaker 1: of the headliners. But I hear where you're coming from.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's.
Speaker 2: And there was a at some point, just for laughs,
Speaker 2: teamed up with an existing Vancouver comedy festival. I believe
Speaker 2: the actual festival is longer than something titled JFL Vancouver,
Speaker 2: because exactly I remember this being around when I was
Speaker 2: that serious and some of my serious stories are twenty
Speaker 2: years old now. But the this is adding up to
Speaker 2: as a one off. Dave's in Vancouver and Paul shows
Speaker 2: up and yeah, okay, Paul's Canadian. Fine. Uh, just seems
Speaker 2: like something is afoot.
Speaker 1: I think it's a blueprint personally, and I don't necessarily
Speaker 1: have any information to back that up other than to
Speaker 1: say to me where Dave has carved himself out. You know,
Speaker 1: they kind of positioned him that he was headlining the festival,
Speaker 1: which is kind of neat, and I think I believe
Speaker 1: where are we here? I think tonight Jerry Seinfeld finishes
Speaker 1: the festival at the same theater Dave was at.
Speaker 3: I believe that's tonight. I believe that's happening.
Speaker 1: So there's probably some sort of connection there as well,
Speaker 1: because I believe they have some common people in their
Speaker 1: administrative teams that that that might have maybe made that happen.
Speaker 1: So that's one way you know you're gonna get Seinfeld. Well, hey,
Speaker 1: what if we also brought Dave? That might be part
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm not exactly certain about that. But the idea though,
Speaker 1: to have a comedy festival that's all stand ups is
Speaker 1: one thing, okay, But what if we included performance art?
Speaker 1: What if we included some podcasts? What if we included
Speaker 1: which which they did at JFL Vancouver this year.
Speaker 3: And then also, oh, here's a unique way.
Speaker 1: What if we brought Letterman in and he talked to
Speaker 1: Zach isn't necessarily known as as as a stand up,
Speaker 1: but certainly a performance artist. What if what if David
Speaker 1: Letterman came in and had a conversation with one of
Speaker 1: the top stand ups. He's been doing that for a
Speaker 1: few years here, He's been doing it on Netflix, but
Speaker 1: also on these little one off shows for other festivals
Speaker 1: and things like that. To me, that's a that's a
Speaker 1: bankable different face or a different event to put into
Speaker 1: a festival. Some of my favorite bands, they don't really
Speaker 1: tour anymore, but they will go to all the different
Speaker 1: festivals in Europe and all the different big festivals and
Speaker 1: things like that, it's an easier road to travel to me,
Speaker 1: if Dave did need to scratch this itch, which clearly
Speaker 1: he does, because he loved it. So you could tell
Speaker 1: he loved being up there. He loved that moment, just
Speaker 1: like he used to talk about, you know, my whole
Speaker 1: day is a terrible day except for the hour between
Speaker 1: five and six o'clock, and that is my you know,
Speaker 1: the favorite part of my day. He got a chance
Speaker 1: to experience that there. I think the idea of him
Speaker 1: doing this at other festivals or perhaps even going out
Speaker 1: and having an evening with you know, David Letterman and
Speaker 1: somebody in different cities, to me, that is something that
Speaker 1: he would have access to whenever he wanted to at
Speaker 1: this time in his life.
Speaker 3: And that's a that's a beautiful, beauty thing that he
Speaker 3: has that.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm adding up too and two and I'm getting
Speaker 2: nine hundred and forty four. I want you to write
Speaker 2: this conspiracy theory down. Okay, uh huh. So you're David Letterman.
Speaker 2: Remember the Cone Intour? Yes, of course, you remember the
Speaker 2: Cone Intour. Remember the Cone Intour you, David, Yes, Dave
Speaker 2: does seem a little bothered by the news of the day.
Speaker 2: More often the key hit out for a while and
Speaker 2: he's a little commenty. Now, so let's put that out there.
Speaker 2: Mm hm. The Ed Sullivan Theater becomes vacant in June. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: but just put that there. Maybe you go to Vancouver
Speaker 2: because it's a three thousand seat theater, so it's even
Speaker 2: if jfl overpays him, it's not a oh my god,
Speaker 2: I got I can't turn this down. I'm playing Wembley
Speaker 2: Stadium typeay day. It's a three thousand seat theater. So
Speaker 2: even if you overpay the man, you still have to
Speaker 2: run a festival and it has to makes sense. So
Speaker 2: it's not about the money. It's about the performance. And
Speaker 2: if you workshop a show at the Netflix Festival in
Speaker 2: Los Angeles, you're being noticed. Maybe perhaps possibly maybe perhaps
Speaker 2: we're looking at some sort of theater run involving Paul Schaeffer,
Speaker 2: and there's going to be a theater available. And again
Speaker 2: I added up to and two and just got four thousand.
Speaker 2: But let's just write that down and maybe in August
Speaker 2: you and I can connect and be like, see, I
Speaker 2: almost had it right, except for the part with the datata.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dave's former executive producer and one of my favorite
Speaker 1: people in the world. His name is Robert Morton Morty
Speaker 1: as he was known on the show. He came on
Speaker 1: my show, I don't know how long ago, six months maybe,
Speaker 1: and we.
Speaker 3: Talked about that.
Speaker 1: We talked about the Insullivan Theater and the idea was
Speaker 1: thrown out Netflix should buy the theater.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, you think about what we forgot to verbalize
Speaker 2: that as part of my conspiracy theory, yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like what if they did that and what if
Speaker 1: there was an opportunity that once a month, once every
Speaker 1: three months. You think about Billy Joel, you know, playing
Speaker 1: Madison Square Garden once a month, you know, just to
Speaker 1: leave the house, go to MSG, play a show, go
Speaker 1: home there you go. Pretty pretty cut and dry, right,
Speaker 1: Imagine if they had that tool at their disposal where
Speaker 1: some of their performers could go and utilize that theater
Speaker 1: with this with its history, with now its technology. They
Speaker 1: upgraded that a lot of that place and like a
Speaker 1: year ago or a year and a half ago for
Speaker 1: the first time the audio room, there's a guy by
Speaker 1: the name of Harvey Goldberg who who is the the
Speaker 1: maestro of the musical performance there. How they blend live
Speaker 1: and produce music and create this amazing opportunity for live
Speaker 1: performance for artists. I mean, they spent a lot of
Speaker 1: money on that thing to upgrade that. The recording studio
Speaker 1: they have there in the and the and the mixing
Speaker 1: studio they have there a lot of money. So there's
Speaker 1: a ton of technology in that place as well. Well.
Speaker 3: Imagine if they had that for when they.
Speaker 1: Have some of their featured comics to do specials and
Speaker 1: and and to be able to use it as a
Speaker 1: utility tool for what Netflix is trying to build. To me,
Speaker 1: that's a it's it's it's a no brainer. But again
Speaker 1: I'm coming from a fan perspective saying that as well, right,
Speaker 1: being excited about the idea.
Speaker 2: But it all makes sense. You want to tell me? Saturday,
Speaker 2: September whatever, ten pm, Live from the Ed Sullivan Theater.
Speaker 2: My next guest is yep, Stephen Colbert, who we haven't
Speaker 2: heard from all summer. Yeah, that's Netflix's playbook. Again, I'm
Speaker 2: deep in the weeds. But why would David Letterman go
Speaker 2: to Vancouver? Whye I know who is lovely but he's
Speaker 2: David Letterman. Why?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I uh, I couldn't agree more. There's some
Speaker 1: stuff I'll tell you offline as well that the parts
Speaker 1: of this that I can't I can't say here, but
Speaker 1: I will.
Speaker 3: I do not believe this is a one off.
Speaker 1: And I'll say that and and and and I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure if it's not a one off, there are gonna
Speaker 1: be other places that that that have the opportunity, uh
Speaker 1: to to experience what I got to experience last Wednesday.
Speaker 1: And and I certainly hope that that is the case.
Speaker 1: And anybody out there who does enjoy David Letterman, if
Speaker 1: you have the chance to go see him, it is
Speaker 1: worth it. It will be money well spent. Highly recommend it.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, which Letterman am I getting? Am I getting watermelon? Letterman?
Speaker 2: Am I getting? Throwing cards? Am I getting Elder Statesman Dave? Or?
Speaker 2: Is it depend on the minute? What Dave am I getting?
Speaker 1: I think it depends on the guest. I think the
Speaker 1: Dave that came out and and and and you know,
Speaker 1: but pre show, the pre show Dave, you're getting somebody
Speaker 1: who really cares about what you're gonna see to make
Speaker 1: you laugh, to to enjoy. Is he gonna throw macaroni
Speaker 1: and cheese in the audience, like the Bare Naked Ladies
Speaker 1: do sometimes when they perform in Canada. No, not necessarily.
Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna see that zany part. I
Speaker 1: think you'll see reference to it perhaps, But then it
Speaker 1: depends on the guest.
Speaker 3: And the guest that we had here was Zach Galvinakis.
Speaker 3: And let me tell.
Speaker 1: You, Johnny, it was a There were a couple of
Speaker 1: moments there that were Andy Kaufman. There was an Andy
Speaker 1: Kaufman moment during this show. Now it's not watermelons being
Speaker 1: thrown off a tower, but it was that same manipulation
Speaker 1: of feelings that isn't just we're gonna make you laugh. Now,
Speaker 1: we might touch you a little bit, then we're gonna
Speaker 1: make you laugh and make you laugh more. No, it was,
Speaker 1: it was. It was more than that. So I would
Speaker 1: say the answer to that question is it depends on
Speaker 1: the guest, because I think Dave can as as as
Speaker 1: in my opinion, the greatest broadcaster of all time. Dave
Speaker 1: can be Barbara Walters and ask the tough questions and
Speaker 1: and and and or not even tough questions, but maybe
Speaker 1: the heartfelt questions and and and go for a narrative.
Speaker 1: He's got that skill. But he's also got the skill
Speaker 1: where he can shoot the shot the bull about comedy,
Speaker 1: where comedy comes from, where these premises come from, and
Speaker 1: and and and and like he like I saw him
Speaker 1: do with Nate Bargassi a few years ago, or he
Speaker 1: can do what he did with Zach, which which which
Speaker 1: is yes, ask about some of the things going on
Speaker 1: with Zach.
Speaker 3: Why was Zach chosen?
Speaker 1: He lives you know, in Vancouver now or just off Vancouver,
Speaker 1: one of the islands out there, with his Canadian wife,
Speaker 1: and and and has kind of he talked about how
Speaker 1: he did not want to be in la anymore. He
Speaker 1: did not like the way he does not like the
Speaker 1: way technology is driving things, He does not like the
Speaker 1: way the show business is and and wanted to get
Speaker 1: away from that, despite still wanting to be a performer.
Speaker 1: He just couldn't live in it anymore. And now we're
Speaker 1: all in the audience going, oh my goodness, oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: And he starts to you know, articulate on some very
Speaker 1: very serious things, but then would go on a dime
Speaker 1: to zany and then on another dime to something completely
Speaker 1: Andy K. Kaufman esque. So really I think it's your question.
Speaker 1: Is it depends?
Speaker 2: Okay, I've got a quick Kaufman story that I have
Speaker 2: to get out of my system, please. So the New
Speaker 2: York Comedy Festival had started the Kaufman Awards and Christian
Speaker 2: Shall had won it, and that's how I got to
Speaker 2: know Christian Kristen a little bit. So I got to
Speaker 2: know Michael Kaufman, Andy's brother, and we started to talk
Speaker 2: about what we could do to honor whatever term you
Speaker 2: want to use Andy Kaufman. At Serious we used to
Speaker 2: have these things called town halls where you would book
Speaker 2: a celebrity and have some super fans come up. So
Speaker 2: David Letterman's coming up and twelve people like you would
Speaker 2: kill to be in that room, and we would broadcast
Speaker 2: these things. So Michael Kaufman agreed we would do Andy
Speaker 2: Kaufman town Hall. He was totally in on this. I
Speaker 2: couldn't convince my boss that this was a great idea,
Speaker 2: and I'm sad we didn't do this. So the idea
Speaker 2: was we were going to announce the Kaufviman estate was
Speaker 2: willing to announce that on you know, whatever day, Andy
Speaker 2: Kaufman town Hall was going to happen. And Andy was
Speaker 2: going to come, and then we were going to have
Speaker 2: the event and invite people up, and Andy would run
Speaker 2: late and continue to run late, and continue to run late,
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. And we were going to have
Speaker 2: Kristin Shaw kill time for us, and we never really
Speaker 2: got to how that would all resolve itself. But he
Speaker 2: was willing to put out a press release with a
Speaker 2: quote from Andy, et cetera. And this but the other thing.
Speaker 2: As I'm sitting there having lunch with him, since he's
Speaker 2: Andy's brother and many years have gone by, I start
Speaker 2: going down in my brain. I'm like, wait, maybe this
Speaker 2: is Andy Kaufman and he's doing a bit to me.
Speaker 2: Maybe there is no Michael, and I'm in my own
Speaker 2: head getting crazy with this thing. But we never actually
Speaker 2: did it. Around that same time, I got to know
Speaker 2: Bob Zmuda a little bit who was in the Kaufman cycles,
Speaker 2: and some people think talking some people think Bob would
Speaker 2: sometimes play the role of Tony Clifton, but but Zmuda
Speaker 2: was kind enough to book Tony Clifton to come up
Speaker 2: to Sirius the next day, and mister Clifton showed up
Speaker 2: in the lobby and didn't have any id that said
Speaker 2: Tony Clifton, so security would not let Tony Clifton in
Speaker 2: the building. And Tony Clifton, being Tony, threw a tantrum
Speaker 2: and stormed off and never came in. And then Bob
Speaker 2: called me later and told me what would happen and
Speaker 2: out come Clifton had never shown up. Fun stuff.
Speaker 1: Tony Clifton is one of my dream guests for The
Speaker 1: Letterman Podcast. He would be the ultimate because I love
Speaker 1: featuring people who have been on the show on our
Speaker 1: show and I want, I hope that that grows into
Speaker 1: that more.
Speaker 3: And Tony Clifton has always been He's.
Speaker 1: In my top five guests to be on the Letterman
Speaker 1: Podcast for for reasons just like that. The idea that
Speaker 1: he's down on the lobby and can't get up is
Speaker 1: just hysterical to me.
Speaker 3: And I feel bad for whoever.
Speaker 1: Not just the security guards because that's what they're meant
Speaker 1: to do, but the people who are behind, like the
Speaker 1: counter the administration people that day. I just I feel
Speaker 1: so bad for them. They had no idea what was
Speaker 1: coming for them that day that they came to work.
Speaker 1: That is just a beautiful, beautiful story.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 2: So let me just for again my listeners who may
Speaker 2: be less hip to this. So back in the day
Speaker 2: Andy Kaufman, there were people who believed that sometimes Andy
Speaker 2: Kaufman would perform a character known as Tony Clifton, who
Speaker 2: was this big, loud guy who thought he had invented
Speaker 2: show business. Now, of course Andy Kaufman is not Tony Clifton.
Speaker 2: Tony Clifton is a completely distinct, separate person. But talk
Speaker 2: shows would book Tony Clifton thinking they had booked Andy Kaufman.
Speaker 2: But of course Andy Kaufman and Tony Clifton are two
Speaker 2: different people, so they would have Tony Clifton on the
Speaker 2: show thinking they booked Kaufman. However, there are some who
Speaker 2: believe that sometimes they would book Tony Clifton and Bob's
Speaker 2: Muda would dress up as Tony Clifton, and the talk
Speaker 2: show would think they had booked Andy Kaufman, but they
Speaker 2: had actually booked Bob's Muda pretending to be Tony Clifton. Winkwig, nudge, nudge,
Speaker 2: Know what I mean, say no more? Love it so great?
Speaker 2: I love that stuff.
Speaker 1: And and and Zach did one of these to Dave,
Speaker 1: and I want to like I'm I don't like destroying.
Speaker 1: I don't like revealing bits, right, you know I I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't ever want to do that.
Speaker 2: You know you?
Speaker 1: You you got me credentialed to go see a couple
Speaker 1: of a couple of comics at JFL outside of Dave
Speaker 1: red Richardson comes to mind. I want to I want
Speaker 1: to celebrate, like three of the bits that he did there.
Speaker 1: There was a nine to eleven bit, there was a
Speaker 1: canceling bit, and there was something else.
Speaker 3: I want to celebrate them and articulate them with people.
Speaker 1: But he is clearly working on them for another special,
Speaker 1: so I'm not going to go into how he made
Speaker 1: it clever and even.
Speaker 3: Innocent, even though he did this one.
Speaker 1: However, I believe is A is a one off, and
Speaker 1: I think that I'm okay to talk about what Zach
Speaker 1: did on stage here because there's a little bit of
Speaker 1: a codea to it afterwards that I just adore. One
Speaker 1: of the things that famously about Dave out there is
Speaker 1: that he doesn't like to be surprised. Early on, they
Speaker 1: had to create in in Dave's run, they had to create, uh,
Speaker 1: they had to create a sort of a I don't know,
Speaker 1: a culture where instead of surprising Dave with something and
Speaker 1: and and and enjoying his wit, his off the cuff
Speaker 1: wit which is second to none, you let Dave in
Speaker 1: on it. But it's okay because he knows he'll react
Speaker 1: to it the way that he would have if he
Speaker 1: were surprised. He's he's got the ability to do that
Speaker 1: because he just gets irket being surprised. Well, I believe
Speaker 1: Zach did that to Dave on stage, and and and
Speaker 1: and I don't believe that he was ready for it.
Speaker 1: So they were going about having a lovely conversation about
Speaker 1: life and what they uh.
Speaker 3: You know, Zach was amazing.
Speaker 1: He at one point hands one hundred dollars bill to
Speaker 1: somebody in the audience and it's a real one because
Speaker 1: it's he handed to the guy right in front of me.
Speaker 3: You know. He he was messing with.
Speaker 1: The audience talking about how he married a Canadian girl.
Speaker 1: We all clapped, and then Zach's like looks at all
Speaker 1: of us and he goes, yeah, but she's from Calgary.
Speaker 3: And the entire audience turned.
Speaker 1: On him for a second because the rivalry between the
Speaker 1: Vancouver Canucks and the Calgary Flames, and it was just
Speaker 1: like like playing with us, right. He called the leader
Speaker 1: of the of the Conservative Party here in Canada's aames
Speaker 1: Pierre Paulia. He called them Pierre poutine. You know, just
Speaker 1: did did a great job showing us.
Speaker 3: Who he was.
Speaker 1: They were going back and forth, and then they started
Speaker 1: settling down and getting serious a little bit, and they
Speaker 1: started talking about their personal lives and and and and
Speaker 1: it came out, does your wife like when you like,
Speaker 1: do you do bits in regular life, like with like,
Speaker 1: you know, servers at a restaurant or people or whatever.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, does your wife like that? No,
Speaker 1: my wife thinks I'm very unfunny. Oh yeah, mine too.
Speaker 1: Both of them going on about how they have these
Speaker 1: goofy personalities and how their wives do not think that
Speaker 1: they're funny. They do not like when they do bits,
Speaker 1: And Zach starts telling a story about his mom, and
Speaker 1: he starts saying, growing up, it was like that in
Speaker 1: Dave's like Guests for Me as well, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of the round peg in a square hole kind
Speaker 1: of scenario. And Zach was talking about out how he
Speaker 1: would love to make his mom laugh, and she had
Speaker 1: this guffaw, like it was an involuntary kind of a
Speaker 1: thing that would happen when he said the right thing
Speaker 1: in the right combination of things. But the problem is
Speaker 1: is most of the time it would be inappropriate. And
Speaker 1: so Zach got this weird back and forth because he
Speaker 1: would get the guffaw, but then he would get in
Speaker 1: trouble and it was just like okay, good, but then bad.
Speaker 3: And and that happened a lot.
Speaker 1: And he brought up a couple of stories about that,
Speaker 1: and then he told one and it was just so powerful,
Speaker 1: like he was talking about how he got the guffa
Speaker 1: and and he goes in this one here and I
Speaker 1: got the gaffa from my mom.
Speaker 3: And he stops and he goes h and and and and.
Speaker 1: Just I just need and Johnny, I swear to God,
Speaker 1: A tear is coming out of his eye, like I'm there,
Speaker 1: I'm watching it and it's happening, and I'm looking at Dave,
Speaker 1: and Dave's entire energy changed and shifted and became extremely uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: like extremely because Zach galifan Akis is crying on stage
Speaker 1: right now, and Dave was unprepared. It was it was
Speaker 1: just a moment talking about comedy and suddenly and he
Speaker 1: like like literally I'm watching the tear fall down his face.
Speaker 1: And Dave, even though he's got the lapel mic on,
Speaker 1: he says very softly, oh is this this is this
Speaker 1: is real? Like he's really really really softly, and zachly,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3: I just I just lost my mom last month.
Speaker 1: And the entire audience just oh, like like the just
Speaker 1: all the breath went out of the room because it
Speaker 1: was just sotal and then you're the empathy for him
Speaker 1: was just you could feel the empathy for him, and
Speaker 1: it was just and.
Speaker 3: Dave was like, oh, I and and he didn't know,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: He talked about how he watched the entire run of
Speaker 1: Between Two Friends, and he watched The Hangover and he
Speaker 1: watched them these other things, and it was unprepared to
Speaker 1: know that Zach just lost his mom. And then Zach
Speaker 1: said a couple more things and it was like, and
Speaker 1: he goes, I was just kidding. I didn't really lose
Speaker 1: my mom last month. It was like what Dave included,
Speaker 1: And then a few sentences later he said, oh no, no, no,
Speaker 1: really no, my mom really is dead. And we were
Speaker 1: all just not knowing what to do with that, and
Speaker 1: Dave kept preferring he this is where I think it wasn't.
Speaker 1: That wasn't script. I'm ninety nine percent it wasn't script.
Speaker 1: Dave wasn't in on it because he kept coming back
Speaker 1: to it, and when he came back to it, he
Speaker 1: was doing it almost as grumpy Dave.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's as good. It's every bit as good
Speaker 3: as a dead mom bit.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: He would say say things, but he called it back
Speaker 3: maybe two or three times. So anyway, the code of
Speaker 3: that story is.
Speaker 1: Apparently after the show, David and his team went out
Speaker 1: for dinner, not with Zach, but David is to his
Speaker 1: team went out for dinner, and for a good portion
Speaker 1: of that dinner, they were trying to figure out if
Speaker 1: Zach Kalvinax's mom is dead or alive or not.
Speaker 3: And that, to me was just lovely.
Speaker 1: And I'm not the first person to put that out there.
Speaker 1: The Georgia Strait put it out there. I feel, okay,
Speaker 1: The Georgia Straits like an indie Vancouver, an indie Vancouver
Speaker 1: publication or newspaper, so they put it out there, so
Speaker 1: I don't feel like I'm wrecking anything by putting it
Speaker 1: out there. It was a phenomenal moment to be a
Speaker 1: part of And if Zach actually got one over on Dave.
Speaker 3: Good for him.
Speaker 1: And if he didn't, and Dave was in on it
Speaker 1: like he was when Jerry Lawler slapped Andy Kaufman back
Speaker 1: in the day on the show, Dave was in on that,
Speaker 1: you know, then even more power to Dave because he
Speaker 1: fooled everybody making us think that he didn't know about it.
Speaker 1: So that encapsulates the show really at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, without me destroying any of the other stuff
Speaker 1: that they they said, that was my favorite moment of
Speaker 1: the show. It was just such a lovely experience. John,
Speaker 1: I can't even I can't even tell you. It was
Speaker 1: just such a such a lovely experience.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you got to meet him and you
Speaker 2: got to see a show which is great as well, and.
Speaker 3: A phenomenal show.
Speaker 1: Like there wasn't anybody who left there wishing that they
Speaker 1: they didn't come the Goodwill. It was just the energy
Speaker 1: afterwards as people were leaving. It was just it was
Speaker 1: a lovely, lovely experience. And I just highly recommend it
Speaker 1: if you see him, If you see if you're able
Speaker 1: to see Dave live.
Speaker 3: Go see him.
Speaker 1: If you have any affection for him whatsoever. You will
Speaker 1: regret not seeing him in years to come, you know,
Speaker 1: when the inevitable that happens to all of us happens.
Speaker 1: If you have the opportunity to see him, go see him.
Speaker 2: What did Shaeffer do at the show?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, so this is the way to finish the show.
Speaker 1: And then I've got six minutes and then I've got
Speaker 1: a bolt. So this is a perfect way. Thank you
Speaker 1: very very much for saying that. Oh my gosh, leading
Speaker 1: leading everybody in O Canada at the beginning. But then
Speaker 1: at the end, after they finished all of the footage
Speaker 1: they had at Zach because I mean the big screen
Speaker 1: behind them, so they're showing clips in between two ferns.
Speaker 1: They're showing clips of the hangover. They're showing clips and
Speaker 1: talking about some of these things. Dave says, I have
Speaker 1: a wonderful way to end the show, and he and
Speaker 1: he dedicates it to Zach. And Paul comes out and
Speaker 1: he starts playing on the piano and he plays it's
Speaker 1: raining men. Zach is killing himself, laughing like like this
Speaker 1: is what like like it almost felt like it was
Speaker 1: a bit of a surprise to Zach as to how
Speaker 1: they were going to finish the show, and Paul sings
Speaker 1: It's raining men as soon as the show, and it's
Speaker 1: a very high energy song, and so we're all Paul
Speaker 1: of course a writer of that in the Canadian Songwriters
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame for that song alone, I believe, and
Speaker 1: so so so that's how they finished the show, which
Speaker 1: I thought was spectacular.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 1: It was quirky, but at the same time high energy
Speaker 1: and fun, and people were singing along with it. And
Speaker 1: then they got up and they thanked everybody and they
Speaker 1: all kind of walked.
Speaker 3: Off stage and it was.
Speaker 2: That was lovely, awesome good grats.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks man, it was.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 3: It was fantastic.
Speaker 1: And I just got to say, I adore our friendship,
Speaker 1: I adore our our, our kinship.
Speaker 3: I love your show. I love this show so so
Speaker 3: so much.
Speaker 1: And I can't thank you enough for reaching out to
Speaker 1: them and having them kind of take a chance on
Speaker 1: me to cover a couple of the other stand ups
Speaker 1: that were there. It was really really fun to do that,
Speaker 1: So Johnny, thank you so much for giving me that
Speaker 1: opportunity to go out and do that as well. That
Speaker 1: was that was more trimmings on a beautiful beautiful, beautiful experience.
Speaker 1: No thanks for going, and I you know you're helping me.
Speaker 1: And also I think it's good for the listeners to
Speaker 1: hear you reacting to something I say all the time
Speaker 1: that when you go see a festival, go see the
Speaker 1: smaller shows and that's where the magic is. And you
Speaker 1: were in small rooms and you clearly enjoyed it. So
Speaker 1: that made me happy to see that you weren't like
Speaker 1: what did he sent me to? And you saw the
Speaker 1: magic of comedy festivals, yes, sir. And the difference, you know,
Speaker 1: seeing when you're in a small room for an open
Speaker 1: mic and you're seeing people kind of stumble their way forward.
Speaker 1: That's one thing when you're in a small room for
Speaker 1: some people to see people who are not open micers.
Speaker 1: They've clearly established who they are, their voice, their personality,
Speaker 1: their character, if you want to look at it that way,
Speaker 1: and then you see them played to a small room.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing as watching your favorite season band.
Speaker 1: You watch Pearl Jam play to a room of four
Speaker 1: hundred people, that's a very special thing. Seeing Red Richardson,
Speaker 1: for example, he sold the room out, but it was
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty people. As a sellout phenomenal and
Speaker 1: intimate and beautiful. And Catherine Blandford, same room but only
Speaker 1: thirty two seats sold, and her playing with that the
Speaker 1: way that she did, because she isn't just an open
Speaker 1: micer that's oh it's another room of thirty two people. No,
Speaker 1: she is sharp as attack and she gets a chance
Speaker 1: to go play a small room and boy did she
Speaker 1: have fun with it.
Speaker 3: So yeah, those were both two very very good shows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm telling my listeners Catherine Blandford learned that name.
Speaker 2: That's definitely somebody to keep it. I haven't seen Red,
Speaker 2: so I'll take your word for it, but Catherine I've seen,
Speaker 2: and that's somebody to keep an eye on. All right,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go shovel and you probably have a job
Speaker 2: or something, so I'll let you go and we'll talk
Speaker 2: some more.
Speaker 3: Thanks man, I appreciate you.
Speaker 1: You're just I love your friendship, I love your show,
Speaker 1: and thank you for being you buddy.
Speaker 3: Back at you, all right, talk to you soon.