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we've kind of flirted with and had some other topics
that kind of crossed and weaved in. We've touched on
it lightly, but we're going to take a deep die today.
I'm excited to bring this gal on and talk to
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welcome to the Prometheus Lens for the first time, Miss
Haley Ramsey. She is an author, a researcher, adventurer, and
many many other things. But I like to welcome you
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for donating your time, thank.
Speaker 3: You so much for having me, And I'm really excited
to get to share a little bit more about the
divine feminine here because my focuses have been a little
bit more on other topics lately. I'm currently writing a
book that is called From Raw to Ramsey, Rediscovering the
Egyptian Origins of Britain, so that's been consuming a lot
of my time for research and writing. But the first
book that I ever published was back in twenty twenty three,
called The Bringer of Life, a Cosmic History of the
Divine Feminine, and i'd started writing that in twenty eighteen
when i'd actually been traveling through France with David Hatchard Childress,
who many people will recognize from History Channel's number one
show Ancient Aliens, and he and his wife Jen were
mentors to me and they encouraged me to write this book. So,
after running around all these cathedrals, including Notre Dame in Paris,
I excitedly began jotting down notes that one of the
other travelers with us had given to me and encouraged
me to start and outline for a book. And I
asked David Well, who's going to publish this book? And
he gave me a look because they own a publishing company.
So anyway, this began the journey of my career as
an author. And so I began writing this book and
COVID happened. Lots of changes in my life happened. Eventually,
in twenty twenty three, was finally published, and it opened
up a door of so many different rabbit holes, but
also lots of opportunities, lots of new people that I've
met and gotten to share research with. And now I've
gotten to see a whole different lens of the divine feminine.
And recently I've really been fascinated in the Gnostic Gospels
and how Jesus portrays the divine feminine and integrates it
into the concept of deity of God. Are you familiar
at all with the Gnostic Gospels just briefly.
Speaker 1: I've kind of touched on them a little bit. I've
read like some excerpts out of I'm trying to think
the Gospel of Thomas and the Mary Magdalen where they
found that papyrus or whatever. It says that he kissed marry,
but there's that burn that you can't see, well, he kissed.
But I'm just kind of thirty thousand foot view. I'm
not really taking a deep.
Speaker 3: Path on it, okay, Right, So one of the things
that I begin with in my book is I take
this lens of the divine and feminine and I kind
of pull it back a bit and look at the
history of the divine feminine in totality, and I begin
with the beginning of time itself, going back to the
Big Bang, and how the ancient people perceived the beginning
of creation itself, because it seems that the ancient Egyptians,
the ancient Hindu people, the ancient Buddhists, they all had
their own perception of what the beginning of time looked like.
They had their own ideas of the beginning of the
starry skies above. They all had this understanding that what
the Egyptians called the primordial waters, which were the vast
cosmos above us and surrounding us. They believed that that
was where everything began, and they would be correct. Every
ancient culture seemed to have some sort of understanding that
there was in fact an event that created everything, that
led to our appearance here on Earth, and in this
understanding they seemed to somehow have the knowledge of an
event similar to the Big Bang. Whether it's precisely that,
we don't know, but they describe things in their own
ancient iconography, which was mostly religious iconography, through their symbols
and metaphors that today we could interpret almost as it
being their simpler understanding of a scientific phenomena like the
Big Bang. However, to the ancient people, science was not
separate from spirituality or from religion. So these events that
were unfolding creation that was sacred right, and so these
events were celebrated as being religious events, being spiritual events,
and with the Big Bang itself, these starry skies the
primordial waters of creation where everything was born from. If
we go back also to ancient Hindu beliefs, they believed
that the starry skies the primordial waters of the Egyptians
were actually connected with what is known as Shakti. Now,
Shakti herself is an ancient goddess, but she's known as
the faceless goddess because she is more of an essence
rather than a personified goddess with certain physical characteristics. You know,
she's not really depicted as having certain physical characteristics like
straight or curly hair, or certain shaped eyes or wide hips.
She's more personified just as the essence of what it
means to be the divine feminine of the goddess, the Creator.
And in fact, are you familiar with the term kundalini
and what that represents.
Speaker 1: Yes, the host chakra system, the seven orbs going up
the spine, is that what you're referring to.
Speaker 3: Correct, and Kundalini means coiled. It refers to the coiled
energy that is located at the base of your spine
waiting to be awakened. And the original word used in
these ancient texts that refers to kundalini, the very first
references were actually called Shakti energy. So this awakening, this
energy that's associated with our chakras that is said to
move through us and awaken us, is attributed to Shakti.
Shakti herself was said to be the essence of the cosmos,
and essentially it was said to be almost her womb
space where everything was formed. Now I find this really
interesting because when I was sitting through some of my
astronomy courses and astrophysics courses at university, I remember thinking
to myself, this sounds awfully spiritual. The way that this
is being explained to me, despite everything being very much
in scientific terms and phrasing, I could start to understand
how the ancient people began to put it into context
of these sacred religious events. It began to make perfect
sense to me. So I remember going home and working
on my book and I immediately began going into these
different creation myths. But what stood out to me is
that as somebody that sees everything very much, I'm also
a poet, so I see everything through a lens of
metaphors and you know, allegories and everything else already, So
it was very easy for me to see how the
ancients might ascribe these allegories or these religious connotations to
these events that occurred, for example, when the Big Bang happened. Essentially,
what we understand is that there was this eternal existence
is infinite existence. And then this consciousness, that's the only
thing that we can explain it as something that had
an awareness decided and it made a conscious decision to
collapse in on itself. And because it decided to collapse
in on itself, it then began creating different elements. There
was there was fire, there was all of these sort
of explosions occurring, and within these explosions that's where we
start getting different elements. And so some of these first
elements began floating through the cosmos, and when they collide,
it's almost like there is some sort of pregnancy, if
you would, if you could imagine it that way, it
was like with these like a.
Speaker 1: Sperm sale and an egg, they collade and it lights up,
you know.
Speaker 3: So yeah, on a macrocosmic scale, right, this is this
is the beginning of life itself in the cosmos. This
is where you see, you know, at the beginning, when
the big bang happens and then all of these tiny
little explosions. The light, you could say, which in many
ancient cultures, light is associated with masculine, darkness is associated
with female, and the light per se may be considered
the masculine force that is creating these different elements, and
then these elements are floating through space and collide which
create the first organic material hydrogen and carbon, and then
that's the building blocks for life itself and the cosmos.
So the cosmos itself is essentially one massive wound space
where all life begins to develop from this point forward. Now,
ancient cultures all over the world I discovered had the
same idea a long time ago, thousands of years ago.
They believed in these concepts of the cosmic egg, of
the gods being born and floating around and the heavens
before being born, that they were waiting to be born
until some event occurred or they came to awareness, in fact,
in one of the Noasa Gospels, which I wanted to
kind of center this conversation on the Gnostic Gospels because
there's a lot that is not talked about and I
think was suppressed from Christianity because Jesus himself had traveled
all over the world and learned from all these ancient cultures,
and what Christianity, true Christianity, really was, was a culmination
of all these ancient mystery teachings from around the world,
and it was about integration integrating the masculine and the feminine,
and the feminine almost was elevated in a sense. So Jesus,
in the Secret Book of John, also known as the
Apocryphant of John, comes to his disciple John because John
goes to the temple and is basically being humiliated by
a Roman and being made fun of. So he decides
to leave and go out into the desert to go
and pray. And he's basically sitting there saying to Jesus
as his post crucifixion, you know, to my teacher, why
have you forsaken me? Maybe this was all nonsense, and
he's kind of rambling and upset, and then Jesus appears
to him and he says, to John, why do you
doubt yourself? Why do you doubt me? Any questions you
have that have gone unanswered, ask me now and I'll
answer them. So John says, well, okay, So he starts
spiring away all these questions. Tell me what really happened
to creation? For one, So Jesus begins telling him this
creation story, this Gnostic creation story, isn't the traditional creation
story that we've all been taught in the Book of Genesis.
This is a much more elaborate and prolific creation story.
And this creation story not only talks about a masculine deity,
but I want to go back to the very beginning
because what he explains is that when there was this
ancient darkness, this primordial darkness that existed, there was the mother.
But the Father only came into awareness because he saw
the reflection of his light in the darkness of the Mother.
So there is this line here, and I overlooked it
before I published my book, and I didn't really catch
it till afterwards because it depends on the translation of
the Secret Book of John that you read and how
they put this line in there. But this was something
that was quite profound to me because essentially it almost
says in some parts the father comes first, but this
one line changes that by saying that he only became
aware of himself because of his reflection in the darkness.
Now that darkness obviously came first. So this was one
very interesting part of this. And there's a few different
parts of the Gnostic Gospels I wanted to quote and
read to you, but I was just curious if you're
familiar with with any of these Gnostic stories or Gnostic
creation myths. Are you familiar with Sophia at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've stumbled in some other stuff, and like my research,
like Mace, the movie The Matrix was kind of like
a good allegory of the Gnostic belief system that you
had a male demiurge that was the creator, and then
you had a female Sophia, which means wisdom, and when
he created the earth, I think it was that it
was the Matrix. And so when people's spirits try to
escape him and his angels restrict and keep everybody there,
and Sophia, like Neo, inserts herself into the system to
enlighten people and teach them how to escape. That's kind
of how I understood it anyway.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a very good modern understanding of it for sure.
And what I would say too is going back to
Sophia and understanding that Gnostic creation story before I died
into what happened exactly. And I'm not going to give
the full context of it because it's hard to follow,
but I'll give the basic understanding. One of my favorite
quotes from the Gnostic Gospels is from the thunder Perfect Mind,
and it's one of the Gnostic gospels that was discovered
at the nag Hamadi find from nineteen forty five in Egypt,
and it says she well, firstly, let me say that
the speaker here is speaking as an emanation of the
divine feminine herself, and she speaks in paradox, so she's
speaking as the feminine and totality and identifies herself as
both opposites all at once. And this is another important
teaching and mysticism in the age Gnostic teachings, but also
mystery teaching is in ancient Egypt the Kabbala, as you said,
but also in the Gnostic teachings. You see that Jesus
is teaching this, but he gets this from his own
I guess bringing up in the mystery schools, going back
through his travels too, probably to India and Ti Bet
and beyond, and to other places around the world that
we know he traveled. So this is one of the
one of my favorite quotes from here that really presses
this whole duality aspect. I am the first and the last,
which sounds exactly like alpha and omega beginning and end right.
I am the honored one and the scorned one. I
am the whore and the holy one. This is not
contradiction at all. In fact, this is about integration because
one of the biggest parts of Jesus's teachings that we
see in narcissism, and it's not as focused on, I
would say, in the traditional biblical teachings, but it's integration.
It is learning to sit with your shadow, learning to
sit with your darkest parts of yourself and love them,
integrate them, be at peace with them, because only when
you have that balance of lightness and darkness can you
become whole. Wholeness is the entire teaching of narcissism, truly,
and this comes into what I want to move into
next to this conversation, which is about divine union. Are
you familiar at all with the phrase divine union and
the teaching surrounding divine union?
Speaker 1: Just lightly, that's another thirty thousand foot view. I know
when you're talking about the Egyptian creation myth, I know
it depicts a woman like with this starry body like
overtop like a dome underneath a male and like supposedly
they were together in sexual union, but a god had
to like separate them to create earth. Is it something like.
Speaker 3: That or yeah? So I would say yes, there's part
of this. So in ancient Egypt, all of our gods
had a sacred opposite. So in a lot of ancient cultures,
God's always had a feminine counterpart, and vice versa, the
goddess always had a masked encounterpart. They always had their
divine counterpart that was the exact opposite but also mirrored
them in some way. So yeah, exactly, So just as
we have today, everything operates in complete opposites. We have
dark and night, dark in light, day and night, heaven
and earth. You know, there's always these parallels of duality
that we see every day in our waking life. And
this was something that the ancient saw and understood as
being central to creation, central to the material world. And
so going into the Sacred Union, it wasn't just about
what was happening in the exterior in the world. It
was also about what's happening internally here, and Jesus was
teaching the whole idea of integration and inner union first
and foremost. And the way that I try to break
this down to people when I'm explaining this firstly is
you know, people say you can't love someone else until
you truly love yourself, So I always say that to
start off with, because you can't experience a true external
divine union with a partner until you have a true
divine union with yourself internally. And now what this means
is having that integration between the masculine and the feminine.
And another thing, when Jesus says and repeats in the
Ten Commandments, honor thy mother and father, that is something
that has been I think really misconstrued because we're not
just talking about honoring your earthly mother and father. We're
talking about honoring the heavenly mother and father and going
into creation, the Nosta creation. So I was mentioning this
whole story is about the descent into the material world
and why we ended up here in the first place.
So many people see this as failure on Sofia's part,
and this was often mistaken for and also not just
mistaken but I think wrongly put into the story of
Adam and Eve. So you'll see some parallels here to
this as I tell you this, So in the gnastic
story of Creation, I'm going to skip through a bunch
because there's a lot, but basically there's multiple eons that
exist in the cosmos. Now, are you familiar at all
with the sacredness of the number thirteen.
Speaker 1: Once again, it's another thirty thousand fit view. I've looked
in like freemasonry and stuff like that, and I know
thirteen is a big number, and there are symbology and
the skull and bones and that kind of stuff. But
once again, that's a thirty thousand fit view.
Speaker 3: Okay, So real quick, thirteen is a sacred number for
a few reasons, but it's tied to the divine feminine.
So we've seen lunar cycles in a year, and women
have thirteen minstrual cycles that follow the lunar cycles. So
that's one connection we bleed with the moon. Secondly, the
planet Venus, which is associated with the queen of Heaven.
She was associated with the ancient planet or with the
ancient goddess Venus isis nana ishtar and and also with
later on Virgin Mary when they tried to assimilate Mary
and ancient pagan practices into Christianity. So Mary is referred
to as Queen of Heaven, just as the ancient goddesses
were referred to as queen of Heaven. Now Venus, the sign,
the symbol of the pentagram itself comes from the planet Venus,
and the reason being is that over the course of
eight Earth years and precisely thirteen Venus years, and this
is all part of the Golden Ratio, and this is
partially wine Freemasonry. The deity is called the Great Architect
of the Universe because everything is exactly proportionately created using
the Golden ratio. It's beautifully done that way. So over
the course of these eight Earth years and thirteen Venus years,
if you watch from Earth and you're plotting in the
heavens the path that Venus takes, it creates the pentagram,
a five petaled rose, if you will, five pointed star. Now,
this was an ancient astronomical symbol used to depict the
planet Venus, and her cycle was so precise that after
the course of eight earth years she returns to the
exact same place. And again this is another representation of
the planet Venus being sacred as an emanation of the
feminine and also in ancient times they were referred to
the Sun and planet Venus as the eternal travelers. Because
of Venus's sonotic cycle, she spends part of her cycle
as the evening star, and then she dips below the
horizon for about forty days, and forty days is also
significant biblically speaking. Jesus refers to himself as the bright
morning Star because she spends part of her time as
a morning star and part of her time as an
evening star. So when you hear references to an evening
star and the morning star, they're both Venus. Venus has
that polar duality as well, so in the morning star
and evening star were also sacred to the Native Americans.
And with this said, when Jesus refers to himself as
the bright morning Star, he is talking about this integration
as well with the feminine and the divine counterpart of
the Sun. Well, actually, where we get the term star
cross lovers, this is really going back to Venus in
the sun because they never quite catch each other during
this whole synotic cycle of Venus. It seems like for
part of the cycle, Venus is chasing the Sun and
the other part of the cycle the Sun is chasing Venus,
but they never catch each other. So it's a very
poetic cycle that you see between the Sun and Venus.
Speaker 1: But they were his husband and wife, you know, it's
you know, when he's ready, she has a headache, you know,
or something like that. When she's ready, his back's urt
and for more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so exactly. Yeah. So this is one of
those ancient beliefs and I guess very romantic synistries in
the heavens that you see that I think is quite interesting.
But yes, you see Venus being assimilated into myths of
nanaar Isis and all these goddesses not only are considered
mother goddesses and connected to creation, but primarily to death
and resurrection. So it's not just Jesus that we see
in Christianity that experiences this whole death and resurrection initiatory experience.
This goes back to cults of the goddess as well.
This whole idea of death and resurrection is really important
because it's not about physical death. And this is where
people get really hung up. And I try to explain this,
and a lot of Christians get very offended when I explain.
If you go into the Gnostic Gospels, for example, I
believe it's in the Gospel of Philip where they're talking
about inner union and the path to salvation. Essentially, one
of the things that he explains is that you can't
you can't be prepared for the afterlife and experience the
after life if you have not yet experienced death and
resurrection in your waking life. So what this means is
that you must undergo true ego death and maybe multiple
ones in your waking life, and through that ego death,
you must then be resurrected with the understanding and the knowledge,
the nosis, the inner knowing, and that's what nosis means.
That's where gnostic comes from, is gnosis, This inner knowing,
and the inner knowing is the intuition, and that's inherently feminine,
believed in ancient cultures to always stem from feminine wisdom,
from the Goddess herself, from the Mother. So nosis itself
in origin is feminine. So this is where this idea
of death and resurrection has been very misconstrued throughout time itself.
And this is also why the idea of death and
resurrection has been so important to ancient cultures around the world.
It wasn't about a physical resurrection from the afterlife or
dying and coming back to life, because it was a miracle.
It was so much more profound than that. And when
I came to realize this, this changed the way that
I perceived the story of Jesus and the death and
Resurrection because he's trying to show his followers this whole
understanding of death and resurrection and the miracle behind it,
because it's not again, it's not about the external miracle
of death and resurrection. It's about what's happening in here,
and the followers weren't quite understanding. And one of the
things that Jesus says is when he's talking about how
to find the kingdom of his Father, he says, the
kingdom is not over there. It's not out here. Not
over there, You're not going to find it if you
go looking over there, You're going to find it in here.
The kingdom is within. The keys to the Kingdom are within.
And I believe he says this in the actual Bible
as well. I don't remember exactly where, but I'll have
to double check that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said, don't you know the spirit of God?
You know, Doyle's within you.
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly, the power of God is Yes. So this
is where a lot of times the Roman Catholic Church
of course, had put a monopoly on that later because
you needed to go and pay your tithes and speak
through the bishop the priest to get to God. There
was a route you had to go to in order
to talk to God. You couldn't just have your direct
relationship with deity. But Jesus came along and had taught
people you don't need to go to the tabernacle, you
don't need to go to the temple. You can speak
to God directly on your own. You can have your
own relationship with the divine And so this whole inner
union idea that he's talking about is very, very profound
because it's been completely erased from the modern Bible, and
they make it much more focused on the patriarchal views
because they were building essentially a business, the Roman Catholic Church,
you have to look at as a business. They weren't
building a religion to save people. They were building a
business so that they could control people and make money.
They were building a way of making money but also
controlling the masses. So they were killing two birds with
one stone. This was not about doing the good work
of Jesus Christ and saving the masses and bringing them
to salvation. Because when it comes to salvation, Jesus very
clearly teaches that salvation is found within, it's not found externally,
and when he's teaching about this, one of the things
that is said in regards to union and separation. So
for example, we're before we have that inner union of
the masculine and feminine, of mother and father, of the
dualities that dwell in the world, we're living in separation,
and separation is illusion, right, so one could say that,
you know, the idea that we're living imbalanced if with
someone as living too much in their masculine energy or
too much in their feminine energy. These are the ideas
that Jesus was talking about. By needing to integrate the
feminine and the masculine, by healing your wounds, by healing
your traumas, by learning to not be triggered by the
things that happen around us, by releasing that need to control,
because control and the need to control is very much
a masculine, a masculine need, Whereas, for example, the feminine
polarities that are different would be to be more in
your receptacle mode, where you're able to receive and sit
back and wait for things to happen. So there's a
certain balance that needs to be held. The feminine is
more in touch with the emotion, right but there's also
a certain balance you have to have because if you're
two in your feminine and you're reacting from a place
of emotions constantly, you're not able to be in your logos,
in your logic, whereas the masculine dwells much more in
the logic. So there has to be that inner balance,
and that's what he's explaining.
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Speaker 3: But one of the other things that he is talking
about in this integration, one of the other interesting quotes
was when e was still an atom, death did not exist.
When she was separated from him. Death came into being
if she enters into him again and he receives her
death will be no more. So he's not saying that
she literally needs to.
Speaker 1: Go back in which gospel was that from Hayley?
Speaker 3: Let me double check. I have a bunch of quotes
that is pulled.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm sorry, it's okay.
Speaker 3: Atom Apocalypse of Atom. Yeah, so, uh, this is where
in the Apocalypse of Atom it mentions this and where
what this is trying to say, though, is not a
physical uh need to put Eve back into Atom, But
this is talking about the illusion of separation and the
need for reunion. And this is using even adam as
the original principles of the feminine and the masculine that
were created right, this is where the idea of the
first feminine the first masculine comes into play. And so
what they's what he's saying with this is that when
you have the masculine the feminine separated, that's where death happens.
But whenever you bring them back together, this is where
true resurrection or eternal life can begin, because once you
integrate the soul into total wholeness, that's where you find
dro route to the afterlife, to heaven, to the divine.
And this is something that has not really been talked about.
I would say in the church. I attended church my
entire childhood, and I never once heard any talk about integration.
Whereas this is the true I think spiritual knowledge that
should be taught to people, not just these ideas of
right and wrong and these parables in the you know,
in the Bible. Now, Jesus did say at some point
that he had to speak in parables to the masses
because they weren't ready for the higher mysteries. They weren't
capable yet of understanding these deeper mysteries, these higher mysteries.
And going to back to the story of the creation,
the Gnostic creation story that he's telling John, and in
the Gnostic Gospel of the Apocryphon of John or the
Secret Book of John, which was very sacred. Might I
add to the medieval Cathars in southern France. In the Languadoc,
he explains that in these eons, Sorry I got way,
but we were talking about the number thirteen and why
it's sacred. But Sophia, who was created as the consort
to the Father, basically she was the counterpart to him,
and she dwelled in the thirteenth eon. So that is
very appropriate, right, knowing what we know about the divine
feminine Sophia is with the gnostic circles, the mother of wisdom.
She's the divine wisdom Sophia, and in the I believe,
she's also considered the wife of Solomon. And the fall
of Sophia is what comes next. And this is where
we get the idea of the material world from. So
we dwell here in the material world. Now, the medieval
Cathars in the south of France believed inherently in an
idea that everything had these sacred opposites and that we
were living in an evil, materialistic world that was presided
over by a materialistic, evil God. Now, this materialistic evil
God is Yahweh. This is the God from the Old
Testament that was angry, jealous, controlling this need to control everybody,
Whereas in the New Testament, the God that Jesus teaches
about is loving and acts from places of love and
forgiveness and compassion. These are two polar opposite understandings of God. Right,
so where are we getting this idea of this evil,
jealous God. From the reason that we have this evil,
jealous God is because of what happened at the fall
in the Gnostic creation story. So in the beginning, before
there was anything, before there was any physical realm, and
there was just the existence of nothing. There was the
thirteenth eons that are created, and in them there's different
emanations of creation. There's lots of them, So we'll stick
with just Sophia right now, because she's what important. There's chaos,
you know, there's thoughts, there's all kinds of different things
like this that are personified essentially, and these are basically
all the elements of consciousness, if you will, put into
different eons, but they're not physical, they're just conscious elements
of consciousness. So Sophia wisdom, she's also got her own
personification as Sophia, and she does something that she shouldn't do.
She decides that she wants to create, and so she creates,
but she does it without her partner. She does it
without her husband essentially, and she does it without the Father.
She is the Holy Mother, she is the wife of
God right for all intents and purposes. But she decides
to create a child, a son, if you will, but
without the permission and without the partnership of her companion.
And when this happens, this is what she secretly, She
secretly secretly creates this material world because she creates what
is known as y'all do both. And this is who
ends up being Yahweh. And he ends up creating these
many demons and arkans and all these other evil entities
that dwell in the material world to serve him. And
when she realizes that he is evil and he is
causing all of these evil things to happen, he creates
people then to worship him because he's got these intentions
of wanting to be powerful, these this need to be powerful. Basically,
he represents all of the negative sides of humanity, the
unintegrated sides of humanity, if you will. This is a
lesson in understanding the unintegrated aspects of mankind. Understanding that
man the shadow side of man. If he's not integrated,
if he doesn't choose to go down the spiritual path,
this is what will happen, and there become power hungry people,
right they abuse people. There's a very different story which
I'm not going to go into right now, about Adam
and Eve that Jesus tells in the Gnostic creation story.
It's not at all what's like in genesis very very different,
and when the consort of Sophia finds out what happens,
she's punished and she has this fall from grace. Right,
but she does put within the people that dwell in
the material world. She puts within the mall what's called
the divine spark. And this divine spark that's within all
of humanity is this g nosis, this understanding, or this
intuition to return to the divine, to our origins, to
return to her, to return to the very beginning.
Speaker 1: Right, So it's ten right mirror that. Right, there was
ten divine sparks or ten emanations.
Speaker 3: Of the so it depends on For one, there's I'm sorry, yeah,
I got mix story of creation. There's several different aspects
that you could be looking at, so there's different eons,
there's different emanations of I guess, the thoughts that surround consciousness,
and there's different levels of being, so you could you
could spend all day separating these things and going into them.
And there's also a couple different streams of narcissism itself.
There's Valentinian nacissism, and then there's a couple others as well, So.
Speaker 1: Like Christianity, there's two hundred and something different flavors, you know,
or probably a lot more.
Speaker 3: Than that, but yeah, yeah, So the main the main
point though amongst all these stories is that Sophia experiences
this fall from grace, but that the fall wasn't failure.
And this is the point that's meant to be understood.
But this is the Divine choosing to experience itself in
the form of the material because prior to this everything
existed in perfect harmony. There was no there was no
inherent evil force or or negative thing impacting this consciousness
that existed. It was purely divine in origin and in existence.
It wasn't until Sophia, the Feminine, much like Eve and
the traditional story we hear, creates this child, this god,
y'all did both yahweh who becomes the evil creator god
of the material world. So she is responsible for the
lower realm of the material world that we are now
living in being created. But what this does and what
the story is supposed to represent to us, is not
that she she messed up and she created something evil,
but rather she chose to create something physical for the
Divine to experience itself through. So you know, we've all
heard the phrase that we are the universe experiencing itself.
And this is very appropriate in terms of talking about
the Gnostic creation story, because this is literally what it's
telling us about. It's talking about how these aspects of
the divine that already existed then came to the lower
realms and now are experiencing what it means to be
human to be in the material, materialistic realm. And how
now we all have that divine spark which is part
of the original divine and we have to find that
return that I guess assent back to the divine. And
with that said, going back to this idea of the fall,
this is I think where we get these ideas in
all these ancient cultures. There's a certain remembrance within us,
and all these ancient ideas of the goddess and this
death and resurrection. It's not an accident. These all have
similar flavors. So this is much like Sophia. Also, she
ends up going back and she makes amends and she's
restored to her place eventually, So she ends up being
resurrected through her own means of making amends with the
other emanations of creation there. And so what ends up
happening in the other stories around the world that are
created through religion is they're related more so to Venus.
And this is also, I think a deeper sacred remembrance
of something more primordial, because everybody in these ancient religions,
well I shouldn't say everybody, but these ancient cultures that
identify the goddess as being the route to salvation because
she undergoes this tremendous death and resurrection ritual. It's a
very similar notion. So we have Inana who goes through
to the underworld and she's taken there and basically spends
all these days there. She's stripped of her garments, she's
going down, and eventually she ends up being humiliated, and
her sister's there and has led her down to what
ends up almost being her death, and then she's once
again resurrected and restored. So these stories of the descent
into the underworld as the Goddess as the feminine mirror
the story of wisdom of Sophia and her descent into
the material realm and undergoing this horror, this humiliation, if
you will, but then this restoration back to the divine
harmony of the universe. An Egyptian, this would be Matt.
Matt m a apostrophe at so Matt would be the
harmony of the universe, the laws of the harmony of
the universe, the cosmos, everything being back in its perfect
working order, if you will. And so this is one
of those parts of the goddess that is so important
because the goddess represents not just love and light and
motherhood and all of this, but it represents the descent
into the chaos and coming out of the darkness. And
this is where the idea of death and resurrection with
Jesus ties into the integration of the feminine. And this
is I think why the feminine has always been so
closely associated with darkness, because this goes back to primordial
creation and that understanding that before the Father came into
creation or into existence, it was always that darkness that
feminine and the womb itself is complete and utter darkness
within women. When babies are in the womb, it's it's
a dark void right before they're born, and it's a
watery void of darkness that they're existing in. And it's
the same thing where we go into caves. Ancient cultures
would use these caves as ritual spaces to initiate people
in because these caves represented the womb of the earth.
These womb spaces were so important to the ai because
of that, because they needed to be born again with
the eyes to see, or resurrected from the depths of darkness.
And the darkness was always tied to the feminine for
these reasons, and that's why the whole idea of separation.
Masculine is associated with light and the femin's always been
associated with darkness. So the path of the feminine, the
path of the goddess, is not just about love and light.
It's about darkness and descent and chaos and coming out
of it restored, coming out of it enlightened, if you will,
and that's the true integration. I think there was a
couple other there was a couple of other quotes that
I wanted to discuss, but this is really how the
soul becomes whole again. And the idea of divine union
plays a role in this because obviously we see Jesus
and Mary Magdalene too, representing not just the path to
inner union and wholeness, but we see them acting as
divine counterparts externally as well. And one of the things
that's talked about in the Pistas Sophia. Have you heard
of the Pissy Sophia at all? Okay, so there's one
cool thing about the Pistas Sophia. One of the interesting
elements of it is that it actually talks about Jesus
preaching to his followers eleven years after the crucifixion. Okay,
so anyway, that's another rabbit hole. But there is some
evidence that Jesus did not in fact die at the
crucifixion because it wasn't meant to be a physical death.
It was so much more than that. But that's another
rabbit hole. So in the Pistas Sophia, it's again talking
about from Sophia's perspective. She says, I went down into
the chaos, and I was in the darkness in the
midst of it. So again talking about the path to
enlightenment being about going descending into the darkness, and then
learning to come out of that, learning to integrate, learning
how to sit with yourself in the darkness. It's like
in freemasonry, for example, the Chamber of Reflection is a
perfect example of this. The chamber of reflection is a
chamber that's dark. There might be a candle in there
and a skull to reminds you of mortality in your
time on the earth, or even maybe to represent the
heading of John the Baptist and represent him. But the
skull is also a reminder. Sometimes in ancient cultures it
was used as an oracle or a way to communicate
with the dead, but typically in the chamber of reflection,
it was meant to remind us of our time on
this earth and that life is short. So in the
chamber of reflection, this was a much smaller version of
a more ancient practice of having to sit in the
darkness with one's self to reflect. And so this is
the same same idea because sitting in the darkness by yourself,
and in much more ancient traditions, you'd probably be stuck
in there for a few days. And so, for example,
there was in Tamar, Portugal, there is a chamber that
was used where templars would be lowered into it and
left in there for three days with a little bit
of bread and maybe some water. But if they cried
out and wanted out of it before the three days
was up, they were not initiated. So this was a
very important part of this tradition is being able to
sit with one's thoughts and one's emotions and learning how
to be comfortable with that. Also, sitting in the darkness
for that long leads to you know, hallucinations and other
other things that are quite scary, so that that eternal
darkness can can be quite daunting, but it's part of
the path to enlightenment, to too full, to wholeness with
the spirit.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. It's like I think it was methro cult
or whatever. They had the same kind of thing. They'd
go into the caves and I think they had nine
stages they had to go through and then you had
the whole what was it, the path of a loos
how you were that.
Speaker 3: To Also in the templar tradition, there was the Anocchian
legend of the nine arches, so even like, for example,
in Tomorrow, there was nine nine arches that you would
walk under the initiate would pass under before being lowered
into the chamber in the ground.
Speaker 1: Okay, eleusis the path of Eleusis And ancient Greece they
would take that. Yeah, they'd take that psychedelic drink and
go on this you know, journey or whatever and go
through the abyss and what was it that quote they said,
to live you first, you us first, practice the art
of dying, or something like that exactly.
Speaker 3: That's that's key, It's imperative, and that's why in the
Gospel of Philip they really emphasized the fact that you
must undergo death and resurrection in this life before you
can make it to the afterlife, because if you don't,
and he explicitly states this, if you don't experience death
and resurrection in this life, then you won't experience the
afterlife at all. There's nothing for you there. So yeah,
this is I think where the most important part of
the divine feminine comes into play that's so overlooked. Is
it's not just about, you know, the sensuality and the
beauty and all this of the divine feminine, because the
other side of the divine feminine, the important part, the
integrative part of the divine feminine, is the raw, messy
shadow aspect of self. That is the true darkness that
we've seen, you know, the duality of this being both
holy being, both whore being, both first and last, the
alpha and the omega. And one other thing I want
to tie us back to is when Jesus says, I
am the Alpha and Omega, I am the beginning in
the end. One of the things that Shakti is said
to be going back to creation, going back to the
Hindu beliefs as well, Shockti the goddess is said to
have been very much the same thing. I believe she
also was said to have been the very beginning in
the very end. There is this very similar quote written
somewhere about this in the text about Shokti, but I'd
have to look it back up. I quoted it in
my book, but yeah, it was quite fascinating. And there
is another thing that Jesus said in the Secret Book
of John. Let me pull it up real quick. I
have my book right here. Yes, So in the Secret
Book of John, Jesus says, when talking about creation and
how she came first and how everything came to be,
he says, she is the universal womb. She is before everything.
And so this is confirming the idea that everything stemmed
from this dark void, from darkness. From darkness is where
everything can build from and become light, because without one
you can't have the other. If there was no sense
of darkness, you would never have light. If there is
no evil, we would never know what good is. And
I think, actually, right here is where I in the
book is where I talk about the alpha the omega.
So here in my book, I'm talking about the Adi.
Shakti is the primordial and conceivable energy, the supreme being
they would call God, except that Shakti is in fact
considered the divine feminine. She's the goddess. She is considered infinite,
she is called a nadi, and she's said to have
no beginning and no end. So this is simply forever Nietzschya.
So perhaps Jesus himself embodied Shakti and taught it. Could
this be why he called himself the alpha and omega
the beginning in the end. So I think that this
is where a lot of these traditions come from. Because
to integrate the divine Mother, which Shakti was, and the
divine Father. We're not talking about the old God Yahweh
that's in the Bible, because that God is down here.
The God that Jesus is teaching is androgynous. This is
a dual gendered God because if we're created in God's image,
then God has to be both mother and father, male
and female. There was Obviously when we were created, there's
a split, there's a separation, and this separation is considered
to be both the physical manifestation and an internal manifestation. Again,
so that's why when this external sacred union happens with
male and female and ancient cultures, the idea of hero
scamos or holy marriage was so sacred, and hero scamos
was essentially sacred sex. You know. That's why tantric sex
was so sacred because it was considered a route to God,
because divine union, bringing back male and female into one,
was the closest way of reaching God. Essentially, it was
merging two souls, the masculine and the feminine, which brought
us back to what our creator truly was. Jesus says
also in one of the Gnostic gospels, and I think
this is in Philip or Thomas. Let me see, I
have it right here. He says, when you make the
two into one, wait, I have another one. First, I'd
like to say, in the Gospel of Philip, he's talking
about the bridal chamber, and the mystery of marriage is great.
It is the holy of holies. But in Gnostic thought,
union isn't just relational it's cosmic and it's how the
soul becomes whole. As I've said a few times, so
it's talking about both inner marriage but also external marriage.
So in alchemy, it's the alchemical marriage and the tarot deck,
it's the lover's card, how they gaze at each other.
It's that integration. And this ideology of external union and
internal union is used throughout all the Nastic Gospels, but
specifically Philip because also the idea of this deep seated
love is really really important. It's almost this cosmic level
of love from a soul, a soul level. Yeah, so
I was sorry. I was trying to find the other,
the other one. It's the feminine figure Sophia and Mary
that really reveal what's hidden to within within these texts.
Mary is the one that is receiving all this hidden
knowledge from Jesus, whereas the disciples are resenting her for this.
Why why is it that the teacher is sharing this
with her? And that's one of the one of the
disciples complains to another, but the Savior reveals to her
because she understands. She has the eyes to see in
the the the gnosis, the inner knowing, and Jesus says
multiple times to his disciples, you don't understand. You think
that you know God, you think that you have have
it figured out, but you don't. And so it's it's
a really interesting comparison between Mary Magdalen and the disciples,
because even in the Pisto Sophia, as I was mentioning,
where they appear eleven years after the crucifixion, they're still
they're still like berating Mary, basically because Mary is asking
all these questions to Jesus. And one of the male
disciples says, why does she get to ask all these questions?
And Jesus responds and said, because she's most raised amongst
all the brethren. And it's a very interesting way for
Jesus to throw shade back at the boys essentially. And
another part another thing that Jesus says that I think
is really interesting when talking about this integration, and there's
so many different Nassic gospels, but I think it was
Pista Sophia. I could be wrong, but one of the
things that he says is that essentially, in order to
become whole, we all start out as female, but that
once we become whole, we are then called male. So
at the beginning of our spiritual journey, we all start
out as female and then become male by the end
of it, once we're whole. So this is kind of
an interesting idea because even even in Freemasonry and co Masonry,
the female Freemasons are referred to as brother still. Yet
so Mary would be still referred to as brother once
she is integrated, if you will. So this is I guess.
Speaker 1: Something as when I ask, I remember one of those
texts saying something about Jesus was talking to them and saying,
you know, basically no woman will enter Heaven. Is that
kind of what it was talking about there?
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, because this is talking about integration. This is
talking about becoming whole before you enter the kingdom. And
this is precisely where he's going down that path, and
he's not being at all sexists. He is saying that. Essentially,
It's like I'm trying to think in other languages, for example,
if you're talking about both male and female, for example,
in Spanish for example, if you're if you're referring to
they as both male and female collectively, you would use
a term that's masculine, right, Okay, So this is the
same thing in most languages, and and it's it's hard
for us to kind of fathom in English because it's
slightly different the way that our words are structured, because
they're not all they. The word they is not explicitly
masculine for us, right, But in other words other languages,
they all do have a feminine masculine origin. So in
this case, when you become male, your whole and so
when God is, God is God. But God is made
up of both the feminine and the masculine elements. And
if we go back to Egypt, for example, and we
look at Pharaoh Acinatin, and he is the one that
changed religion on its head, completely changed it on its head.
And we're talking about this is during the Armana period.
They're known as the Sun Kings. This is around the
the Bronze Age. So I'm guessing I'm trying to remember
exactly when would have been somewhere between twelve hundred to
fourteen hundred BC. I believe I can't remember exact years,
but around this time period he then begins portraying himself
as having both breasts and wide hips, but also being masculine.
So all these depictions of.
Speaker 1: Pharaoh of the I've never noticed that.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, because he's depicting himself as being both male
and female. Because the Pharaoh is meant to be God,
and when he changed the religion from being polytheistic to monotheistic,
the Aten the sun disk now has to personify all
gods and one. So personifying all gods and one means
that he has to be feminine and masculine. Now some
people propose, well, maybe Akinaton was actually hermaphrodite. You know,
I think that's a bit out there. We don't know that.
Speaker 1: I don't so I had that elongated skull, that's what
something that's always fascinated me with his depictions.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, that's another interesting aspect of Akinatin in his family.
But I do believe with the with the hips, with
the breasts, and even his thick thighs are shown and depicted.
Speaker 1: Child barren hips. As they say, Yes.
Speaker 3: He was explicitly depicted as being feminine but masculine as well.
So this was because he had to portray himself to
the Egyptian people as God, because the Pharaohs were considered
the incarnation of God on earth to their people.
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Speaker 3: And this is where I think this adaptation in Egypt
began where I cannot really truly got this idea of
the God being dual gendered and being I'm on atheistic god,
I'm not sure. But another another possibility which we don't
have tons of evidence for this, but Tutmosis, that was
allegedly Acinaton's brother, has been in some in some cases
associated with biblical Moses. Now it's possible that Biblical Moses
could have been the Pharaoh's brother because in the Bible
it explicitly says that he's the brother of pharaohs and
that he was raised in Egypt and Egyptian corked. So
there's all kinds of elements and suggestions that could indicate
that Moses was indeed Acinaton's brother. So what this would mean,
and this could indicate why Ocnaughton chose to change the
Egyptian religion from polytheism to monotheism. So Tutmosis would have
been the high priest of taw. This would have been
he would have been permitted to carry the arc with
the laws in it. So this would have been why
Moses was the law bearer. He was the law giver right,
the father of the laws. And when he leads his
people out of Egypt. It doesn't exactly stray from the
Egyptian timeline of Tutmosis either, because Tutmosis disappears from the
Egyptian records as well. So there's some timelines that don't
quite add up, but there's some other things that really
suggest a connection here. But this would be a plausible
explanation for why Acinatin decided to change the religion from
being polytheistic to monotheistic if he had a brother that
was influenced perhaps by the ancient Hebraic traditions, and also
wanting to keep them somewhat Egyptian, but moving forward and
progressing in a way, perhaps that was more I guess may.
Speaker 1: Basically how Rome did all the other countries. You know,
they called it the Hallenization. So by seeing these other
gods that was similar to the Roman gods, they said, oh, yeah,
that's our god, and then they kind of molded them
together and made like the whole new pantheon.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but this didn't work out well for Acinaton
as we as we know. Yeah yeah, but this is
this is an interesting possibility for the origin of Akinnatan's
religious diversion and his potential brother being the biblical Moses.
We don't know for certain, but it's an interesting possibility
and another element to the idea of a dual gendered
god that is really interesting. Also, the word ab woun
that's used in the Lord's Prayer indicates both the element
of mother and Father. That that word itself has a
root meaning womb, so it could indicate whomb of God.
I believe, if I'm recalling correctly, this is an the
Lord's Prayer that Jesus is reciting. So when we say
when we're reciting the Lord's Prayer, it starts off as discussing,
you know, oh, Father Creator, but it really should be Mother,
Father God instead of just Father Creator, because it's appealing
to the both genders of God, the duality of God,
and the other parts of There's so much to say
in the Gnostic Gospels, but Jesus goes on to talk
about He explicitly states that the Holy Spirit is the Mother.
The Holy Spirit is barbelow. She is this, she is pure,
she is the Virgin, and she is she is the
Hohrror of Babylon. She is all these things, and she
can be all these things that wants. A woman can
be both. And the question is that I have today,
why is it that all of these parts of the
Gnostic Gospels and of Jesus's teachings, why were they cut
out from traditional Christianity? The only thing I can imagine
is because this is the true route to salvation, and
this is the true route to God, and the Catholic
Church didn't really want people to experience salvation or God.
Speaker 1: One thing too, is you had so much confusion at
the time. You know, I've talked about this with certain people.
It's like you had this new religion, the Christian faith,
you know, stemming out of Judaism, and you had the
writings of the New Testament circulating around, and you didn't
have a Bible. You just had all these different scrolls
floating around, so some people might accept certain ones and
others didn't. Uh, So there was really no set standard.
So you had a sect of people that held to
the physicality, and then you had a sect of people
like they are looking at from the perspective that you
are talking about today, and it was kind of this
this real muddy water. So they wanted to set a
standard basically, so when they created their Bible, they were
setting the standard for their sect because they wanted to,
you know, separate themselves from that sect. So it was
just one of those things. It was just so much
stuff floating around. It was kind of mass confusion, and
you can imagine a new believer that's never even heard,
you know, of the Christian faith. But then you have
somebody over here telling you, you know, no, it's spiritual,
it's you know, it's about enlightenment. Then you have some
people over here, no, it's physical. He really died and
you know, and raised from the dead. So there was
just so much confusion, you know, because there was no
set standard. So they just that sect was just happened
to be the first one to set their standard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there was a lot floating around at
the time. And again, you know, what most people don't
realize is what is frustrating to me is trying to
have conversations with people that are have been raised Christian
and are just taught to at their core believe this
is the word of God, this is what God said.
Whereas the Bible was not actually created until the third
century a d. And till three hundred and something at
the Council of Nicea, And it was when a bunch
of as I always say, a bunch of grumpy old
men set around a table and decided what books should
be put in the Bible and what books shouldn't, what's acceptable,
what is going to help create our narrative and stick
to that narrative, you know, And that's what they ended
up going with. And of course the Gnostic Gospels didn't
make it in there because that's too deep. This is
going too deep for that. And I think that that
stuff is so much more interesting. And for me, I
never resonated with the Biblical Christianity that we were taught
growing up. But as I got older and I started
reading the Gnostic Gospels, I felt much more close, I
would say to Jesus, and I understood the teachings so
much more. And in retrospect now if I go back
and look at the Bible with the understanding of the
Gnostic Gospels, it takes on a whole new meaning and
I can understand it a lot more. But the Bible
all on its own is just so surface level, I
would say. But that's been my experience, and I'm still
learning every day. I'm still reading new Gnostic Gospels and
reading new texts and everything else. So every day is
a learning experience for me. But I find all this
extremely fascinating. And right now we're in the age of Aquarius,
which is the cup bearer, the grail bearer. If you will.
So it's the return of the divine feminine, the return
of lost knowledge, and so it's a fascinating era that
we're living in just now. So I think there's going
to be a lot more of this information to come
and a return to spirituality and a much different approach
than there was before.
Speaker 1: That's one thing to John even talked about in Revelation.
You know, he said in the end of days or whatever,
he said that I will were out my spirit upon
all flesh. And when Jesus was talking to his disciples,
he said I would be with you, and some English
translations has it, you know, to the end of time,
you know, and all this stuff. But he said Eon
in the Greek he said, I'll be with you to
the end of the e on the age, and that
was the age of Pisce. So that I tell people,
I think, Nick he talks about that in Revelation. He's
talking about Aquarius, the water bear, who's you know, depicted
as pouring out the water the spirit onto the earth.
And I completely understand what you're talking about, you know,
the really rigid you know, Christians and stuff, because I
talk a lot about Christianity, because I mean, I am
a Christian, but I don't fit in that square peg.
So I get a lot of flak from from Christians.
And I've even said it many times on the show.
Christians are the worst, you know, as being judgmental and phariseic.
You know, But that's a very broad brush statement because
I'm under that label myself. But I'm very open minded person.
I'm not so pompous to think that I have it
all figured out. I got more questions than I got answers.
And you're never going to learn anything if you think
you got it all figured out and close your ears.
You know, God gave us two years and one mouth
for a reason. We're supposed to be listening twice as
much as we're talking.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I couldn't agree more with thought.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm a firm believer that there's micro cosms.
I say it all the time. There's macro and micro
and macro cosms all through the Bible. I mean, if
you believe this is the word of God, uh, it's
not just one dimensional. It's got it's I got onion,
it's got multiple layers. So yeah, I definitely appreciate you
coming on talking and having this conversation and I hope
that I did a good job because I didn't think, oh,
my card on the table to the end. I just
sit back and heard you out and heard what you
had to say and have a good conversation with you.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and you know, once I get going, I'm hard
to shut me up. So yeah, no, thank you so
much for having me, and I thank you for being
so open minded and listening to all of this as well,
because it's a very touchy topic sometimes, and you know,
myself being raised Christian as well, I think I've just
always been very open minded. And I was that child
at four years old in the church that was always
asking our priest, well, if God created us, then who
created God. I was always asking the hard questions growing up,
and my priest would just say, well, you just have
to have faith, you just have to believe, and that
that didn't do it for me. I wasn't convinced. So
I always needed something, something deeper. I needed to search
for something more. And in this path, it's brought me
deeper into my spirituality and understanding of the divine because
that's really what's all around us. And I think that
also from a scientific perspect of you know, we were
talking about the Big Bang, the dark energy, dark matter.
These are things that I think that as we come
to understand them more and more will lead us to
a scientific understanding of the divine as well.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and once again I catch a lot of
flat when I tell people I don't think there has
to be a hard line in the sand, not at all.
I think science is man's way of trying to understand
and wrap his little mind around, you know, an infinite being.
So you know, some people, the really rigid ones, say
the Big Bang is a big dud and you're a
heretic for even talking about it. It's like, well, in
our text it says in the beginning, you know, God said,
let there be light, I mean a big bang, something
coming together, flash of light. Creation. To me, I mean,
that's the same thing. It's just told with different verbiage, right, I.
Speaker 3: Mean the NaSTA Gospels it's essentially that same idea. But
if there wasn't light already, that means there had to
be darkness before. So there had to be something before that.
And there's there's a it's a whole different way of
telling the story essentially. But you know the way that
Jesus tells it is that there was nothing first, and
then the Father becomes conscious or aware because of his
reflection of light in the darkness, and he almost says
it like the way that the face of the Holy
Spirit moves upon the waters. It's it's a very similar
phrasing to that. A bit different, but very similar. So
I think that understanding these these parts that have been
pushed out of Christianity, especially too, because in Christianity it
says that all sin is bad, you know, all sin
is bad. You know, don't do these things or you're
going to hell. It's it's very much a fear mongering religion,
whereas Jesus is like, no, embrace the darkness, embrace your shadow,
sit with your shadow, and contemplate it, and then integrate it.
It's it's a very different approach, you know, versus condemning,
let's say, condemning sexuality, condemning you know, these these things
that make us human, these parts of our human experience. Yes,
we've messed up, We've done bad things, let's say, or
things that are considered deemed evil by other people, by
other religions. But Jesus is telling us Jesus was the
most nonjudgmental person, and he was telling us all to
sit and with those thoughts, with those feelings, with those behaviors,
how can we learn from them and how can we
integrate them? And in the Gnostic Gospels, there's another thing
that basically talks about how there is no sin. Jesus says,
there is no sin. It's a matter of essentially how
you learn from it and integrate it. So it's you
only make it sin if you choose to, because it's
it's a matter of experience. Life is experiential and we're
here to transcend the physical realm. We're here to move
beyond that after integration, after divine union. So anyway I could,
I could go on about about this topic for us,
but I'll save your ears the trouble.
Speaker 1: Now, I enjoy the conversations. And that's the things we
have to sit down and have these conversations. And I
tell people, we all have pieces to the puzzle, and
if we're not having these conversations and exchanging our puzzle pieces,
we're never going to figure out this thing that we
call life. And if we are closed minded. I hate
to be an echo, but I'll echo it to the cows.
Come home. If we're closed minded and think we got
it all figured out, we're never going to learn anything new.
And if I never had this conversation with you today,
I would have never gained this perspective. Listening to someone
else's perspective doesn't mean that you agree with it. It
doesn't mean that they're wrong or you're right. You're just
exchanging ideas. And I learned quite a bit of stuff
today that I would not have learned if I did
not have this conversation with you. So I appreciate this conversation,
and then I appreciate your time.
Speaker 3: Oh my pleasure. Thank you so much for having me on,
and I'd be happy to come on again. I mean,
there's so many other things that we can discuss as well.
Like you know, I, as I have mentioned before, I
live I live over in Stotland and Iberutine, and I
was mentioning to you before we started the recording that
I'm working on a book that's about the Egyptians in
Britain and the ancient Egyptian connections there. So that's something
else that's a really fun rabbit hole to dive into.
So lots of others, something I love that could be happy.
Speaker 1: I love I love the ancient lost civilizations and the
whole you know, diaspora and ancient people sailing the world,
you know, long before Columbus and all that old world stuff,
neaf alum, elongated schools. Yeah, these are a few of
my favorite things.
Speaker 3: Mine too, Mine too.
Speaker 1: Well, Hayley, thank you so much, And like I said,
I really appreciate you coming on and I definitely want
to have you back and have some more conversations and
dive into some other subjects with you. But if anybody
enjoyed this conversation and they're curious and they want to
scratch that itch and check out your books or anything
like that, where can they find you? Your content? Websites, YouTube,
speaking engagement, synything you'd like to plug.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely so. I host luxury tours. I'll be hosting
an Ireland tour with Andrew Collins actually in a few weeks.
That's in Ireland and Northern Ireland, and so he'll be
joining us the first nine days of that. It's in
all My tours are all inclusive. You just pay for
the package and you show up and don't have to
do anything else. I take care of it all and
I host the entire trip, and then i also have
some Scotland tours and then I'm hosting one with Jimmy
Church as well in August, which is Monty Python on
the Holy Grail themed tour because that's his favorite movie,
so we're doing that. And then I also I'm hosting
a tour in France in August, which is during the
Virgo era of the year, because we are going to
sites that are connected with the constellation Virgo. The medieval
knights Templar had funded the building of several evil cathedrals
dedicated to Notre Dame our Lady that were actually built
in places to mimic or mirror stars in the constellation
of Virgo. So we'll be visiting cathedrals there that are
aligned with the constellation Virgo that is representing that hermetic
principle as above so below. And then we will be
heading down to Brittany to explore more ancient past and
visiting places like Karnak and other ancient Negolithic sites, some
cool places that have some connections to ancient goddess worship
and the ancient divine, feminine and stone. So places like Gavrini,
which is on an island, has lots of carvings of
Vulva's in it, and then a few other more off
the beaten track locations I've come across in my own
research and that i write about in my book. And
then also I'm doing an egypt tour this year in October.
We'll get special access to the insides of the Pyramid
after hours and to chambers that are not open to
the public, so special access. And this tour is also
unique because we're not only doing ancient sites, but we're
ending the tour in Charmel's Shake with a little bit
of beach time, so a great way to end the
trip and relax and wind down. And also another interesting
trip I'm doing this year is Transylvania, the origins of
vlad the Impaler and Dracula. So lots of exciting stuff
on this year. In May, I'm speaking at a conference
in Delavan, Wisconsin the first week into May, and I'll
be talking about the Egyptian origins of Britain. And I'll
be doing a talk called the Goddess in the Lodge
Unveiling the Sacred Feminine Freemasonry, two talks that I love
and I'm excited to give. I'll have some brand new
evidence in my Egyptians in Britain talk. I'll be giving
that I've literally some stuff that I've just come across
in the past couple weeks actually, so really exciting things.
And then yeah, I'll be pretty busy this year. But
my website is Haleyaramsey dot com h A. Y L. E.
Y A Ramsey dot com and my book I'm currently
sold out of myself at the moment, but it can
be found online from different retailers if you search it
The of Life, a Cosmic History of the Divine Feminine.
And it's also i think still on Amazon, so I
will be eventually I don't know when, publishing it with
a new publisher and we'll be doing a second edition,
so in the meantime it can be found online. So
that's all I think I have happening this year. But
it's a pretty packed schedule. So that's that's it for me, guys.
Speaker 1: I was about to say, I mean that porky of
the pig. You know that. That's all, folks, that's a
whole lot to me run me today, it is. But
but what we said pre roll, that's something I have
a passion for. So if I had the means to
I would be go, go go and seeing all these ancient,
amazing sites myself. But hey, I mean, you said you
got a YouTube channel and you like doing this stuff. Hey,
if you need a camera, guy, let me know. It's
still on that out there. But hey, guys, hope you
enjoyed that. Man, be sure to check out Haley stuff.
And hey, just remember, guys, the difference between the known
and the unknown is the journey. So we can journey, guys.
Speaker 4: Not sorrue not sorry, just to see through smoking mirs
and cause pace by name. They say the truth will
cost you, friends, Confine me somebody the same. We has
a softer face, swim fires, let it be