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Speaker 1: You're a listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the

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best in paranormal talk radio in the UK and around

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the world. Scary Era Era is the Irish or Gaelic

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word for Ireland. Do you know much about this ancient gland?

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In recent times, its Irish culture has revolved around the

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likes of U two, Pierce Brosnan and Colin Farrell, and

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of course the literary genius types of William Butler, Yeats

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and James Joyce Spere, all world renowned. But it's a

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mystical place, this island, from its Druids to its Christianity,

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and also brutal, surviving famine and invasion after invasion, Vikings,

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Normans and the English who we've seen them all come,

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and we've seen them all off. Cheerio, your ancestors kept

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your names close as over the rugged seas they fled

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to week out a living or fight someone else's war.

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Paranormal means all the things that are impossible to explain

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by no natural forces or by science, and Ireland is

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steep and lower ghosts, blood, sweat, tears, sacrifice, hunger, desperation

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and charm. Oh and the paranormal. Welcome to Scary era

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Vultua is the Irish word for welcome, and you well

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and truly are Hello. My name is Mark Manning and

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I'm presenting Scary Era for all things Irish related, paranormal

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or ghostly. Before I say anything at all on this

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inaugural show, my thanks go out to David Irene and

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Mark for allowing me on the wonderful esteemed platform of

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Paranormal UK. Perhaps you're Irish or have Irish relatives, it

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doesn't really matter. There's nothing that exclusive about it, but

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it would be lovely If you can't give us an

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Irish related paranormal story, don't be a stranger. You can

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can email your story or indeed we can set up

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a little telephone call or Skype for you. How about

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that and we can broadcast your story at a later date.

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What have the law of averages got to say about

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our first caller, because he hails appropriately enough from at

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this time of year, Skull in Southwest Cork. This is

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Mark McCarty relating a few paranormal tales.

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Speaker 2: What I wanted to do is just chat about an

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experience I had when I was in college. I went

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to college in Dunnary in nineteen ninety two ninety three.

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While I was there, I was lodging the house and

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the man you wanted the house, his sister was a witch.

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Her name was Sandra ran down me. She was quite

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famous back then. But she offered to do a reading

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for me.

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Speaker 1: And I was very skeptical about that.

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Speaker 2: Of course, as a kid, you know, so I kind

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of go ahead, sir, listen, what have I got to lose,

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you know? But anyways, she started telling me all these

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little things about my future and what it would be

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like for me, and things like that would be all

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very good experiences. And then she said at the engine,

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and you know, you have a girl, a little girl,

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standing beside you right now. And I thought nothing of it.

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But she said something very interesting. She said it could

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be somebody from your past, your future.

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Speaker 3: Or your presence.

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Speaker 2: And I thought nothing of it.

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Speaker 3: Look, I was.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen then, and a few years later, but four years

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later I was in Australia. I was with some friends

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and we were up in the up in Queensland, up

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in the Cairn and while we were walking back from

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the pub one night, an Aboriginal woman called me over.

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She was sitting on the on the side of the

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road and she said that I have a little girl

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standing beside me, and it absolutely freaked me out. It

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brought me back to that time when I was in

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that house in Dunleary, and I got such a shiver

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Speaker 1: Mark, So, Mark, I think the thing is there's always

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an extra layer of scary when a child is involved.

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It's kind of very god yeah, very disconcerting because it's

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so wrong to have within that context and innocent.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, very very odd.

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Speaker 2: But that I told all the lads, and I was

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like telling a lot of people this, so none of

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them believe me. They are all just totally skeptical about it.

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But I tell you about about five years ago, six

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five or six years ago. I have a couple of

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kids now, go all grown up, not very sensible, but

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I'm all grown up. And I was in the supermarket

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with my daughter and she was standing beside me, and

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I looked at her and all I heard was the

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conversation from this woman, Sandra about this little girl standing

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beside me, and I realized that that was actually my

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daughter standing beside me.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you know that that's lovely it's like it's like

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full circle, Mark, because in my mind, and I didn't

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want to say it, I thought, you know, perhaps in

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your family there might have been a miscarry or something

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like that, because you hear that as well.

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Speaker 2: But it's it's an actual it's a good story. It's

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it's a very pleasant ending to something that could have

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been very, very scary, because it did freak me out.

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and the Aboriginal woman was this future child who was

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standing beside me holding my hand in the shop, it

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was bizarre. It was just there was a few little

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details that both those ladies had said, and a second

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when I saw my daughter in the shop, it was like,

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that's exactly what they were talking about.

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Speaker 3: Very odd.

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Speaker 4: It was.

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Speaker 1: Like your moment, your revelation, and a happy ending, a

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happy ending. Actually, yeah, any more stories for us, Mark,

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before you go.

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Speaker 2: One little one right. I had this when we were

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building our house. That was probably fifteen years ago, it's

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more now seventeen years ago. We lived in the soul

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Cottage in rural, rural West Cork, like we're right in

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the middle of nowhere, and there was a always something

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very odd about the house. It was a bit of

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a weird kind of vibe about the house.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: It had a tiny little library, like a reading room

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off the side, which is very rare for little cottage.

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books on the bed. There's a little side bed, and

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that was always a bit odd. So you put the

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books back in there'll be nobody in the house like

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and then you'd go back in again later and there'd

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be another book open on the bed, or there'd be

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books off the shelf, which was always a bit strange.

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I heard somebody. I was upstairs and I heard somebody

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cleaning out the fire like the another way that sound

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of a great you know when when somebody has a

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poker and they're cleaning cold, that kind of grating sound.

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was already lighting the fire, so I went down. No,

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I think nobody there was very very odd, which and

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things like that would happen all the time in this house.

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My missus could have sworn one night she heard somebody

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coughing upstairs, like a cough, And you'd always hear noises

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on the stairs. I know it was an old house,

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no old houses making plenty of weird noises. But we

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had a cat, a black cat, and sometimes that cat

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would just stand and stare in the door, at the

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doorway between the little library and the and the sitting room,

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and it would move its head every now and again

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as if it was following something.

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Speaker 1: So true, I have two of them.

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Speaker 2: And about a year later I got chatting to a

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friend of mine, his mum, and I will telling her

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about the house and She's like, did you meet the ghosts?

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used to live there, she said, but we moved out

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because we couldn't handle it because there was a ghost

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Speaker 1: And it often and often harks back to the land

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Speaker 3: Could be Yeah, I heard the.

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Speaker 1: Exact same thing earlier this year. I visited an area

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of Kilmainham at late at night and it stuck with

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me because there used to be an old what do

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you call him? Convent? I think on it were certainly

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an old old people's home. Locals and Dublin eight would

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know where I'm talking about. And as a young salesman

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what you know, you knocking doors and stuff, and I

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found myself in this austere corridor and at one point

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a bell went and suddenly it was like it was

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like out a thriller. Out of nowhere is walking dead,

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and that there were old people, that's all you know.

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years ago, but anyway, I'm going around in circles. The

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thing was, we did a bit of research and people

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were saying the exact same thing as you, that apartments

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had subsequently been built on that land. I think at

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one point as well, it was you can fix me

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on this one. What's the word where people go to die?

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What's that called? The very one? Right? Yeah, And that happened,

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but there were apartments on it, and people were talking

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about books being moved and fights breaking out because one

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be sharing apartments and stuff. So it does go on.

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Speaker 2: The more interesting stuff there. Actually, if you were to

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find somebody willing to talk about it. But there's an

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old asylum in Cork, in the city that had been

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done up as a Victorian I think it was, and

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it had been done up maybe twenty years ago and

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turned into apartments, and there's tons of stories of people

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of all sorts of strange and mysterious shenanigans going on

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in the modernized version of it. Because it was an

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insane asylum, and there's some very very odd story.

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Speaker 1: I'd well believe it, and would you believe as well

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that a lot of those people weren't insane in the

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first place. Absolutely they were in the way right, we

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had one of them. We had a huge thing of

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putting people away, even like if for the wintertime, and

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then they'd release them again, so they became institutionalized. It

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was a thing here and the threat was you'll be

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sent to the big house. You'll be sent to the

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big House. So many as the sane person went in there,

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and if they didn't acclimatize to it, they went mad.

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to going back in. They'd be taken out for the

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harvest and stuff. But yeah, we have we have sanatoriums

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because of the TB epidemic those so God knows what

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rattles around in them in the wee small hours of

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the Morning's mark from wend Cork. It's been a pleasure.

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I hope we do it again. Wasn't he a lovely boy?

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And we'd love to hear from some lovely girls as well,

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So why don't you get in touch Paranormal Ireland at

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ProtonMail dot com. Okay, you've made it this far on

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scary era, so let me relate my own story to

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you as to why I've created this. In the early

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nineteen seventies or so, I was I don't know, eight

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years of age and my father was an army officer

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in the Irish Defense Forces and we lived in a

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place called calbrew Of Barracks. It was formerly known as

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Portobello Barracks. It was occupied by the British for one

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hundred and twelve years. Indeed, the building that I was

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in the Irish hero Michael Collins, you might remember the

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Hollywood movie about him. He had an office in it,

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but it wasn't the big fella I woke up to

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one morning when I was about eight years of age.

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I can still see her. She wasn't menacing in the least.

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Definitely someone from another era, very serene, long dark hair

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and a blue cloak. I can tell you, folks, the

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hair does stand up on your head. And I gingerly

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retreated under the covers, and of course I was told

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to eat my corn flakes the next morning and to

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go to school. Nobody wanted to know, but that has

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stuck with me, and I'm sixty one years of age. Now.

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That's why I keep an open mind on all things paranormal.

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My research yielded that there was a poisoning in the

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barracks in eighteen seventy three and a lady was up

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on a charge, but she got off and Anne Winford Marshall,

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she was suspected of the murder of Gunner Donaldson. He

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was found poisoned, slumped across the bed in an apartment.

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She went to trial and despite the evidence being loaded

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against her, she was found not guilty. I don't believe

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in hauntings. I just think it's under certain conditions that

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events are replayed, perhaps where a lot of trauma was involved.

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I never could pin down the apartment to being our house,

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as the records went back with the British in nineteen

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twenty two. I think they may be in Q Gardens

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in London. Well, I went home this week and visited

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the curator of Corlbrewer Barracks, Noel MacDonald. We conducted our

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chat right by the main gate in the old guard room.

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You'll hear about summary execution, landmarks and ghostly going on.

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I'm here with Noel McDonald in corlbrew of Barracks, Mark

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and Noel, and this sounds probably a bit smallsy and

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over dramatic, but it's good to be home because I

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said to you, I spent twenty four years of my

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life here. Doesn't matter where I go in the world,

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I always think of Corl Brewer Barracks formerly Portobello Barracks,

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because of an incident that happened to me here, which

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is the only reason the Scary Era podcast was born.

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When I came across you in twenty nineteen, you had

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a Halloween type thing, which is appropriate we're in the

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month of October. But you had your outfit on, your

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skeleton outfit. But as you spoke in this very room,

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which is the old guard room of Corl Brewer Barracks,

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I could tell how pasionate. You were about the place.

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I know you organized tours in here. What's your exact

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position within the defense forces and relating to Carl.

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Speaker 5: Brewer, Well, I joined the army in nineteen eighty eight.

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I've don't recruit trying them up and doun dock. I

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came straight down to the second Itttalian which is based

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in Cattleboro Barracks formerly part of Below Barracks, and I

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was involved up in the gym, so I was used

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to do all the gymnastics displays. I used to do

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all the big competitions the military Pentatleon and used to

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go abroad, so that was all very good. And then

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I got into being a barber. I went back to college,

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so I have the barbershop now, which is at the

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back of the depot where I used to live. And

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then I got into a fascination with the history of

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the barracks. It didn't become me jobs straight away, but

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then over time I was asked, well, why don't we

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open a visitor center museum, So I said, yeah, I

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could be part of that. I could really give a

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hand with that. And then I went and done a

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couple of courses, curator course and stuff like that, and

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eventually then I took over this in two thou and

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ten and I'm here ever since. Now it's not a

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pay job. It's a voluntary job, like everything on a

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soldier force. So I have to do all my military stuff.

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Still I do that, but it's becoming more of me

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job now. So I run the barbershop and I run

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the museum. So if anybody wants to tour, they're going

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to touch at me. I'll create a tour for them

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and then I'll measure up to that.

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Speaker 1: Is there an email address or how did they content? Yeah,

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well you can contact me.

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Speaker 5: You can ring the barracks here and they'll put you

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onto me straight away, and I can gladly give up

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the phone numb.

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Speaker 6: There's no problem.

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Speaker 5: You want to ring me and then our email and

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then I'll create a tour for them, and no problem.

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And it's done so open there that we it's for

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groups from five people, but roughly then we have people

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a bill fifteen to twenty people coming in.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's just set the scene. First of all, I

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don't know, I really don't know acres or anything. Do

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you know much acres as bart?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Well it used to be fifty four acres now

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it's down to forty six.

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Speaker 1: Eggre right, So obviously it was a British army established.

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First of all, it was Portobello Barracks up until I

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think the fifties when they called it after the arch

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patriot Carl Brew. There was a battle as well here

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it's not related, but a battle of racked mines in

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sixteen forty nine I think between the Royalist and Parlementitarians.

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And are there are fields around here known as the

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Bloody Fingers. In terms of an operational barracks for the British,

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I think they were here over one hundred years, so

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there would be a lot of regiments come through here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, this is this is really a train in

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barracks and you can see back in the old photographs

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that when you look them up you'll always see the

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lads training and it was like a tented villages as well,

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so he had so many people here at the time.

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It was like a statement. Fifty four acres is a

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huge plan and it's prime in the central Dublin, so

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this is where people used to come in do the

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training and then leave from here, go to the wars,

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or go whatever else.

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Speaker 1: Talk to me because we're in Halloween at the moment.

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In relation to paranormally type things that might happen here.

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Speaker 5: Well, I have friends now see, I'm in the barracks

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here at a long time and here since nineteen eighty eight,

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so it's thirty six years now I'm here. And from

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talking to the lads that were here before me and

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now talking to the lads that here. I was on

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one lad that was on talking to me yesterday and

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I was saying that I had Mark coming in and

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I was I was saying, where, well I bring the

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most thinking to bringing to a couple of different.

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Speaker 6: Places that I would have heard of.

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Speaker 5: That was guaranteed that the lad sort was talking to

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were straight up guys, and they're not going to saying.

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Speaker 3: Saying squadies, and they were the things in our minds.

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Speaker 5: It is a coming up telling me that it's one

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hundred percent that people walking across the floors at night

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time they're seeing things that lights go off on and

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off shouldn't be going on and off.

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Speaker 6: Other things I've heard myself.

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Speaker 5: I've heard people talking in this very room that we're

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in the garden beyond the guard room.

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Speaker 6: So it is.

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Speaker 5: It is a creepy, creepy place, but not creepy in

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a bad way. It's creepy. And had a group in

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their oilgot they were mediums, they're trying to be mediums,

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and they came in and they just buzzed around the place.

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Speaker 6: They tar it was just open to everything.

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Speaker 1: I would have no believe in it at all, but

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I kept an open mind because of what happened to

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me here where I saw an apparition as a child

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when I grew up here. But I think more so

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than haunting, I just think it could be atmospheric noises.

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You know, this place here could be almost as for

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a lot of energy. But the guard room people get

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locked up in here for being on the batter or whatever,

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for fighting, and so I think conditions can be played back,

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conditions of trauma or explanation if that's a word of energy,

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et cetera. So i'd say it have a field day

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or of those mediums. If they set up what's known

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as EVPs, you know the recordings. I'm sure there'd been

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many nights you'd hear nothing, but at some point you would.

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If my father was commanding officer of here on and off.

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I mean his heart was with the Defense forces. He

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loved it heast forty years.

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Speaker 5: Then it becomes a family. It's a family.

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Speaker 1: So a couple of things as well. The first balloon

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took off from here that across the Irish Sea. That

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was I think eighteen seventeen.

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Speaker 5: When William Wyndham Saddler he was the man and it

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was it wasn't that good. What happened was the job

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was good. Well. He done to raise money and he

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was going to sell tickets for everybody to come into

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the barracks, but nobody came into the verdicts and they

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watched them for free. So bombed a bond. Money money

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was or it was a success. They made it over

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to England. It was the first ever balloon rood over

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the sea. So you've done very.

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Speaker 3: Well the depot. What has been reported to you.

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Speaker 5: I don't hear anything bad about the hauntings or anything

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like that. What I do here is that the lads

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when they're staying there and to be early sergeant, they'll

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be there to mind the building that night, make sure

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they're up early in the morning to hand out the

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weapons that the lads everything is okay.

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Speaker 6: But they'd telling me that they'll be.

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Speaker 5: They'd be sitting in the room and there's people walking

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up overhead, banging doors and up the stairs. Myself was

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a witness that I was going up the backstairs. They

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be the Michael Collins stay and nobody uses yeah. So,

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and I was going up there. I had to meet

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the see you there at the time. And when I

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was going up the stairs to meet and he was

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handing at the top, and there was somebody in the

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middle between us that wasn't there, and somebody whisking away,

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and the two of us looked at each other as

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if this was three feet away from the boat of us,

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and we couldn't believe it.

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Speaker 3: This was just now.

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Speaker 6: We started laughing the off an.

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Speaker 3: We ran for help, and we.

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Speaker 6: Always heard it was later on.

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Speaker 5: It was only later on the head that Michael Collins

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was known as the whistler so, and it was it

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was all about Michael Collins there what.

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Speaker 6: I was going up to.

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Speaker 1: He would have been General Michael Collins so at the time.

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But he wasn't actually here that long.

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Speaker 6: No, he's only here for a few months. But he

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lived here in the bar.

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Speaker 3: He did and that's a couple of yards from where

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we are.

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Speaker 5: That's true.

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Speaker 3: Were people sniping at that at once?

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Speaker 6: That's right, because were getting in they were coming.

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Speaker 3: To Republicans would have been chooting at them.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but they were coming in. You could only come

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in with handguns because you were coming through the army

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accommodation and you went a little guns in accommodation. That's

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just a no. Not So you're coming in through the

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army house dressed as army soldiers pistols. They jump up

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onto the wall beside the house and they were forwarding

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in and just clif sign of how we tried to

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get rid of that.

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Speaker 6: So we blocked up a window there.

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Speaker 5: They blocked up just to make sure that no bullets

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went down through the staircase.

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Speaker 1: And introduced, were you looking well for what is thirty

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six years six?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? I listened. The one thing that marked that I

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do here.

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Speaker 5: I have a passion for all I do, and I

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think if you have a job that you have a

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passion for, totally enjoyful. In the day, I enjoy meeting people.

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As I said, fifty odd people yesterday came in.

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Speaker 6: Here to do the tour.

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Speaker 5: The way they went on about it after I just

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knew that I cut horse. I cut them because you

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spartled them. Yeah, that's exactly what it is. And it's

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not because I cot paid, Because look at pay for this.

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It's fallunt.

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Speaker 6: You might ask, what ag I'm fifty five that Jesus

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guys like.

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Speaker 3: Only six years older than you, and you you if

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you're a way perfect Look at Jerry, you've run on

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every day or yeah, no, you have to exercise.

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Speaker 5: The army is all built iron and how you do,

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how you stand, and how you portray it. Course, so

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I come in here like every morning even now to today.

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Miss slackskare armed. Miss shoes get polished.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's just rafty. That's my father used to

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say to me. We'll have to talk about some of

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the characters in this barracks. There was a notorious triple murder. Well,

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it was an execution. So what did captain, the notorious

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Captain Bowen Culthurst do.

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Speaker 5: Well, you see, if it went back and went back

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in the day, that really would have to go a

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little bit deeper because he was involved in the ball

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wall and they got a section of men and he

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led them into a skirmish where they should have been

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and they got whipped out, and he went back to

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the officers mess over there, and he got a terrible

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time after the other officers because losing losing one man,

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bad team, but losing a section of ten men.

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Speaker 6: That's that's just a nomo.

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Speaker 5: But a couple of months later he got another section

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to look after and make sure everything was okay.

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Speaker 3: And as a.

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Speaker 5: Captain, you should know your business, and the senior captain

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back then nobody. He didn't take no for an answer,

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so to get another section of men and he was told.

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Speaker 6: You'd be very careful with this.

477
00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,319
Speaker 5: But he got another section, led them into a skirmish

478
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,079
where they shouldn't have been and they got whipped in.

479
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,359
Speaker 3: So it's just an army baronie reckless.

480
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,480
Speaker 5: Well, if you think about that now, a good officer

481
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,359
in the army will will lead the men in. But

482
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:53,400
he didn't get hurt, you know, So if you think

483
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,599
about it that way, you go in there, he'll stand on

484
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,599
the outside, which is not really the dunb thing, but

485
00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:58,799
that's the way it was.

486
00:21:59,039 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 6: Now.

487
00:21:59,319 --> 00:22:01,359
Speaker 5: He didn't go back to the officersmith. He went to

488
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,240
the doctor and he told me he didn't feel well

489
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,799
over this, that this shook him. And back then, if

490
00:22:05,799 --> 00:22:08,519
you had mental health problems, they sent they record you

491
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,599
and that was it. Now, in nineteen sixteen, World War

492
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,920
One was on and all the able bodied soldiers and

493
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,480
officers were sent over to the frontline Belgium, France. So

494
00:22:17,559 --> 00:22:19,759
what he had here were people who were after being shot.

495
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,319
Are people who were brought back in because of mental

496
00:22:22,319 --> 00:22:23,839
health problems. But we were brought back in to mind

497
00:22:23,839 --> 00:22:26,200
the boxes here because there was nobody to mind the barns,

498
00:22:26,319 --> 00:22:28,319
so they were brought back in. Please don't realize that.

499
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,119
So he was one of them that came back in

500
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,039
and all was good for a period of time, and

501
00:22:32,079 --> 00:22:32,839
he was back in the.

502
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:34,079
Speaker 6: Uniform and he felt good.

503
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,759
Speaker 5: But then when the rebellions started, the bombs and bullstart

504
00:22:37,799 --> 00:22:41,200
going off, they started to really kick up in these minds.

505
00:22:41,279 --> 00:22:43,680
So we started to see things now. It just so

506
00:22:43,839 --> 00:22:47,680
happened that the night before that, Skeffington Francis She Skeffland

507
00:22:47,759 --> 00:22:49,559
was taken off the road because he was trying to

508
00:22:49,599 --> 00:22:51,640
hold a meeting down Hardcourt Street and he was coming

509
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,319
up towards the Huntback Bridge. A group of lads behind

510
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,880
him just talking to him. But the young leftenant that

511
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,200
was on the bridge, that they were going to take

512
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,240
over his position. Now when they sent his the officer

513
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,839
of young officer, when he sent his men out to

514
00:23:03,839 --> 00:23:06,160
get them, the young lads ran off. Skeffington was on

515
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,759
his own. Was as pascifist, passive. He wasn't into war,

516
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,039
Oh yeah, absolutely. But they brought him up and they

517
00:23:13,039 --> 00:23:15,839
put him into the cell. Wait, but this, by the way,

518
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,599
for those things we're we're.

519
00:23:17,799 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 3: Speaking with him feet of this and the place hasn't changed.

520
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 6: You're right into the cells. You're right in here.

521
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 1: Two other guys got taken with him as well, and

522
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,440
I think that was the next identified.

523
00:23:26,559 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 5: That was the next morning.

524
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:28,759
Speaker 3: They were actually union supporters.

525
00:23:28,759 --> 00:23:30,319
Speaker 6: Well, i'll tell you what happened the next morning.

526
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,759
Speaker 5: I think a bond cultures took over the duty and

527
00:23:32,799 --> 00:23:33,720
he got the two of them out.

528
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,119
Speaker 6: He got started a bigger pardon.

529
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 5: He got caught a Skefferton l the cell and he says,

530
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,599
I know you you right against us because he was

531
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:41,440
he was a journalist.

532
00:23:41,599 --> 00:23:43,319
Speaker 6: And he says no, he says, I'm a pacifist. I'm

533
00:23:43,319 --> 00:23:44,519
not into it. So he said, I don't know what

534
00:23:44,559 --> 00:23:44,759
to do.

535
00:23:44,759 --> 00:23:45,079
Speaker 3: What you do?

536
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,599
Speaker 5: There's two snipers down the road there, just over the

537
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,839
hump Back Bridge, and it was on the corner and

538
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,200
just one hundred yards when you go over the Humpback

539
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,200
bridge from that, mind, so you're going to hotel on

540
00:23:55,319 --> 00:23:55,759
the canal.

541
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 3: Yes, no, no, no, no.

542
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:58,759
Speaker 5: When you go over on the yes, just over the

543
00:23:58,799 --> 00:24:01,160
hump back bridge on the canal you go towards town.

544
00:24:01,319 --> 00:24:03,440
I think his Handling Road is on the left hand

545
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,480
square and then Harcourt Street is on the right right.

546
00:24:06,519 --> 00:24:09,400
On the corner there was Kelly's Tobacconist. I think it's

547
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,000
called Hardcourt Health now, yes, but next door to that

548
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,079
was a coffee shop. Now in his mind, there was

549
00:24:14,079 --> 00:24:16,559
two snipers and there he went down. He opened the

550
00:24:16,559 --> 00:24:18,599
door and he threw in the grenade blew the shop

551
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,519
that one man Didentally, another man came crawling out, the

552
00:24:21,599 --> 00:24:25,279
councilor Richard O'Carroll was his name, Very prominent, very prompt man.

553
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,440
He shot him in the stomach. He's screaming the pain.

554
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,960
At the same time, next door to the back of

555
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,559
the shop opened up and two men came over there

556
00:24:32,599 --> 00:24:35,160
with the explosion. Next door he grabbed them too, and

557
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,880
he said, you two are involved in this. But Missied

558
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,359
Dixon and mister McIntyre, that was their two names. He

559
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,640
got them up and he collected Skeffington on the way

560
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,720
back up, because he left him on the bridge just

561
00:24:44,759 --> 00:24:46,640
case thatting happened to them. He was left there to

562
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,480
be shot. But he collected three of them and brought

563
00:24:48,559 --> 00:24:50,400
him back up here the part of Bellow Barracks and

564
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,440
he put them into number one cell right where we

565
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,720
are now. And he put them in there. The next

566
00:24:54,759 --> 00:24:57,279
morning he was told to let them go, but he

567
00:24:57,319 --> 00:24:58,839
came in and he was told to letting go with

568
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:00,720
helly commander. He came in here and he says, I'm

569
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,279
not to be told to let them go, but I

570
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,079
don't want to. He says, we're going to bring them

571
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,000
out to the yard behind the guard room. We're going

572
00:25:06,039 --> 00:25:08,559
to execute them. And that's exactly what they're done. And

573
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,000
he was in charge at the barracks.

574
00:25:10,599 --> 00:25:13,519
Speaker 1: At the time because he's a good guy and is

575
00:25:13,559 --> 00:25:16,319
a bad guy. And the good guy was the officer.

576
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,400
I think who's in commanding officer? Was it Major Sir

577
00:25:20,839 --> 00:25:21,920
Francis Vane.

578
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 5: He was a major commment. He wasn't the CEO. When

579
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,359
he had heard what had happened he said, this can't

580
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,880
be happening. This is absolutely outrageous. This is only a

581
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,240
few weeks after he went to the Brittany commander and

582
00:25:34,279 --> 00:25:36,240
he pleaded, room, you're going to have to do something here.

583
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,519
He's after Mordern three men, he's after burying them in

584
00:25:38,519 --> 00:25:39,720
the shallow grave and the barracks.

585
00:25:39,759 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 6: Here, we have to do something here.

586
00:25:41,319 --> 00:25:43,599
Speaker 5: His wife has after going over to London and she's

587
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,200
in the High Commission in London. She's screaming because she

588
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,559
wants a court martial. We have to do something here.

589
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,559
He said, okay, and that's when that happened. That's when

590
00:25:51,599 --> 00:25:54,279
they said, okay, look, we have to make this happen.

591
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,079
And then it went to a court martial and he

592
00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:00,839
was sound guilty now insane gids guilty one saying because

593
00:26:00,839 --> 00:26:02,559
he said that he was in saying because what happened

594
00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:03,640
to him all from the ball of course.

595
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, now what happens dramatic.

596
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,519
Speaker 5: That man in major Commlan, thein he got let go

597
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,640
down as well, he got let go of the army

598
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,279
because he told I'm a fellow officer and for the

599
00:26:14,319 --> 00:26:16,519
rest of his life. He pleaded his ind.

600
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 3: Describe that very well, because I was saying to myself.

601
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: It's just because the Brits couldn't stand what was going on.

602
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,799
Because the General Maxwell I think he reported to, and

603
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,480
General Maxwell was quoted as I think said that they

604
00:26:28,839 --> 00:26:31,640
probably deserved it or something like that, but you just

605
00:26:31,839 --> 00:26:34,000
couched it very nice. So that's what it was. It

606
00:26:34,039 --> 00:26:37,440
was the fellow officer thing reporting on more so than

607
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:41,400
the actual moral swings and rounds about of it. That's

608
00:26:41,519 --> 00:26:44,920
very interesting. Coulthurst ended up in broad More, yes, prison,

609
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:46,960
But the last I believe that was heard of man,

610
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,920
I think of dates from a documentary I saw in

611
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,519
the seventies he went to Canada.

612
00:26:50,599 --> 00:26:52,079
Speaker 5: Who went to Canada, lived the rest of his work,

613
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,400
and I think he won an election out there or something. Okay,

614
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:58,400
but he poloitician was an incredible way of being, like

615
00:26:58,519 --> 00:27:02,519
he had an upper sense that he was entitled to

616
00:27:02,599 --> 00:27:05,200
what he got when he came from money he did.

617
00:27:05,599 --> 00:27:08,319
Speaker 3: I think that there's a castle down there now, is

618
00:27:08,319 --> 00:27:10,960
a killarney or a badly that's right. His people were

619
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:11,960
from from there.

620
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 1: So if we go straight out the door here of

621
00:27:15,519 --> 00:27:18,640
the guardroom and we continue going down straight, we will

622
00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:22,119
hit the depot that we've been speaking about. There is

623
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:25,799
footage on YouTube. Just put in Michael Collins in uniform

624
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,759
pathay and you see him and in what was our garden.

625
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,079
I wish there was a lip reader out there because

626
00:27:31,079 --> 00:27:34,440
it's totally in silence that leads onto a field.

627
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:35,599
Speaker 6: Yes, listens to.

628
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 1: That was the house that will Kay had and Black

629
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,759
and Pans had that we'll talk about them as well.

630
00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 3: They had it as a bit of a HQ where

631
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,319
they had it as a as a as a place.

632
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:45,920
At one point.

633
00:27:46,039 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 1: Just beyond that is Rathmand's church with a distinctive dough that.

634
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 3: Then fired at one point as well.

635
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,839
Speaker 1: And our acquaintance Bowen Cultures, he's sumarily executed a young

636
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,839
fellow that's a teenager called to I think that's what

637
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,759
it called out there before the execution of the of

638
00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:05,279
the gentleman we just spoke about.

639
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 5: When he brought when he was bringing Skeffington down the road,

640
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,319
those two lads stepped out to ask where they were gone,

641
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,960
and it was Bone called host said martial laws only

642
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,480
have to be announced. You two shouldn't be on the street.

643
00:28:16,839 --> 00:28:19,960
He took it out his revolver now a Mouser revolver.

644
00:28:19,559 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 3: Which very need German think, Yeah, yeah, and he.

645
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 5: Took it out and shot Cody dead. His friend that

646
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,680
was there ran. He was trying to show him as

647
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,000
he ran, but he missed him. And that's where we

648
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,079
got how we found where he shot the three men

649
00:28:33,319 --> 00:28:35,720
because there was a bullet left in the wall, and

650
00:28:35,799 --> 00:28:38,240
when we took it out, it was a mousing bullets.

651
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,839
Speaker 3: Apparently, this is how callousy was.

652
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,039
Speaker 1: When Cody was questioning, says, well, what are you doing here,

653
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,720
he said, I'm here for my sidelity. And sidelity is

654
00:28:46,759 --> 00:28:49,680
that kind of was a religious occasion or something you

655
00:28:49,759 --> 00:28:52,079
attended weekly, and he shot him in the head and

656
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,000
with the words take that far sideality.

657
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 3: Wow. So as you go straight down, there used to

658
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,799
be an AMMO dump on the right. It's gone.

659
00:28:58,960 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 6: That's gone.

660
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:00,279
Speaker 3: There was the the.

661
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: Comm's house, the two red houses down at the end.

662
00:29:02,759 --> 00:29:05,599
They're the priests now the priest houses are they? They'd

663
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,480
be chaplains now. And the the aid to come to

664
00:29:09,759 --> 00:29:13,440
President devil Air and probably a few more was Tom McNamara.

665
00:29:13,599 --> 00:29:15,839
You'd see him on all the old nineteen sixties, nineteen

666
00:29:16,359 --> 00:29:18,920
you know, when Kennedy was here, you'd see Tom McNamara

667
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,079
in the background. You're right, there was there was two

668
00:29:21,079 --> 00:29:23,799
priests that I knew of in those houses as well.

669
00:29:23,839 --> 00:29:27,799
One was Father Breslan lovely man the breads, Yeah, the

670
00:29:27,839 --> 00:29:28,799
breadth I forgot that.

671
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,519
Speaker 3: I think he might have been in the leb as well,

672
00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:31,839
or Lebanon as well. At one point.

673
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: President was a nut right, he looked like Tom Tommy Cooper.

674
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,680
There was another priest I called McCabe before him, real gentleman.

675
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,319
This was a cavalry barracks as well. So they were

676
00:29:44,319 --> 00:29:46,880
old stables you were sharing with me.

677
00:29:47,319 --> 00:29:49,799
Speaker 3: Are old tunnels there? Or there was yea and they

678
00:29:49,839 --> 00:29:51,759
never never appeared on any maps. That's what I would

679
00:29:51,759 --> 00:29:52,319
say if.

680
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 5: You foulnd tunnel and split in two. So when you

681
00:29:55,279 --> 00:29:57,039
went into the tunnel, if you went to the left,

682
00:29:57,279 --> 00:30:00,119
it went right down on the canal, and then if

683
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,160
you went to the right, that will bring you halfway

684
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:03,599
across Listen Field.

685
00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 6: Heading towards the church, the Dawn Church.

686
00:30:05,759 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 5: So we only got halfway across that nobody nobody else

687
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,200
went any further. So I think it may collapsed.

688
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,079
Speaker 1: We cannot mention this place without mentioning the notorious Black

689
00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:16,440
and Tans who were there.

690
00:30:16,839 --> 00:30:19,319
Speaker 5: Well, the black and Tans came in and be honest,

691
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,000
Churchill order. Yes, but you see what happened. What happened

692
00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:25,279
here with them was now half the two houses where

693
00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:27,039
they used to stay here, so they'd be up at

694
00:30:27,079 --> 00:30:29,119
the back of the officers mess that's where they used

695
00:30:29,119 --> 00:30:29,359
to commit.

696
00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:31,599
Speaker 3: These guys were bastards.

697
00:30:32,039 --> 00:30:34,559
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, well they were.

698
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 5: They came in to do They came in to do

699
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,039
the dorty, the dorty walk.

700
00:30:39,319 --> 00:30:41,839
Speaker 6: Now look, yeah, I was looking at a couple of

701
00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:43,119
them and pat.

702
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,319
Speaker 5: The news and they were interviewing them, and amazing what

703
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,799
was in their mind everything that they were doing. They

704
00:30:48,799 --> 00:30:50,880
were doing the writing. They had it in their mind

705
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,000
that this was the writing to do, and that may.

706
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,359
Speaker 6: Came down from upper.

707
00:30:54,359 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 5: Yes, course, to be sure that you have to you

708
00:30:57,119 --> 00:30:58,680
have to do this. This is some portant. So they

709
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,160
were doing the dirty woman. Do you do the interrogation here?

710
00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:03,960
And we still have the interrogating places where they used

711
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,799
to do it. He had a hanging house, but just interrogation.

712
00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:10,359
So it was interrogation through strangulation. So what he would

713
00:31:10,359 --> 00:31:12,720
do was drop a rope down, toy it around your neck.

714
00:31:12,839 --> 00:31:14,960
You'll be toied to a chair and they would hoist

715
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,400
you up. So they were strangling three.

716
00:31:17,359 --> 00:31:21,079
Speaker 3: Spanish, incredible, and then inquisition.

717
00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:23,519
Speaker 5: And in this place where they used to do this,

718
00:31:23,599 --> 00:31:25,160
the hanging house, that's what we call it.

719
00:31:25,319 --> 00:31:26,319
Speaker 6: What do you used to do?

720
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 5: Was that the people come in and walk down the

721
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,720
next day in there in the right side, on the

722
00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:33,039
left side of it. Only when I joined, the people

723
00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:35,559
used to come in to be walking slightly on one ladder.

724
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,200
Me and he's telling me, only there recently. He was

725
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,839
telling me, Oh my god, he says, the footsteps that

726
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,799
you used to run through that place, and the screaming

727
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,640
and the roar. When he was there on his own,

728
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,559
he'd say, yeah, enough of this. He'd lock up and

729
00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:48,880
go home, because you're started to get louder and louder.

730
00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:51,640
But this was this is common practice, common practice.

731
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: These guys were called black and tans for those of

732
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,119
you who don't know, because they were kind of coupled

733
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,160
together in a uniform.

734
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,119
Speaker 6: But they had got the uniform. They hadn't got the uniform,

735
00:32:02,279 --> 00:32:03,000
so they got a bit.

736
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 5: About uniforms and through them allyone known as the black

737
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,640
and dried the whole of art. But you see, it

738
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,119
was good to see because you saw the black and

739
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,519
tan coming overall because you knew boys you. Yeah, so

740
00:32:12,599 --> 00:32:14,240
that was a good thing when if you hadn't been

741
00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:15,400
dressed like everybody else.

742
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,839
Speaker 3: Were they all a mixture of officers or something to know?

743
00:32:18,759 --> 00:32:19,359
Speaker 6: Auxiliaries?

744
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:20,119
Speaker 3: The auxiliaries were.

745
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,599
Speaker 5: They were worse black, yes, but they were worse than

746
00:32:23,599 --> 00:32:27,720
the black and town they were. No, they destroyed, they

747
00:32:27,759 --> 00:32:29,279
did really worse. Yeah.

748
00:32:29,359 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 6: Right, then again, how can you get the horse? Okay,

749
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,200
well it's worse, you know, because the children were killer No, of.

750
00:32:35,119 --> 00:32:37,759
Speaker 1: Course, they were laws onto themselves essentially, because as you

751
00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:41,400
can see, when Colthurst was taken to task, it was

752
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,559
all covered up by the powers that be. As you

753
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,839
go up, you're hitting to the you go to the

754
00:32:46,839 --> 00:32:51,079
Garrison churches. Now the Patrick say Patrick's when does that date?

755
00:32:51,119 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 3: For a roughly?

756
00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:53,599
Speaker 5: You know, that was one of the first buildings that

757
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,079
was built in the boxes. Yeah, so you're talking about

758
00:32:56,119 --> 00:33:00,400
eighteen fifteen to eighteen eighteen twenty. And you see, if

759
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,119
you think about it, it was all done religion. Everything was religious,

760
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,079
so it was short of wor in church. That's what makes

761
00:33:05,079 --> 00:33:07,599
it special because the the changing off to a Catholic church,

762
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:08,680
and that's what it is now.

763
00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 3: There's a bit of paranormal around that as well. Isn't it.

764
00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:13,119
Speaker 5: Yeah, well you see and if you look at the church,

765
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:14,839
you're standing out to the church, you're looking at it.

766
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,000
And the roy hands is number two guard room, so

767
00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:19,920
that goes onto the canal, so you can entrance at

768
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,240
the canal there, so if anybody's roving along the canal,

769
00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:24,119
you can look into the bark stair. But that was

770
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,400
number two guard room and that's where the Black and

771
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,480
Tans used to do the doughty walk.

772
00:33:28,599 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 3: That's right.

773
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: You found a bullet on the wall, didn't and your

774
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,559
market all right, do you have it on video? Yeah,

775
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,160
that's not on video. Very bad phone at the time,

776
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,319
but but yeah I do when I hear your adults

777
00:33:41,359 --> 00:33:43,839
at tones and to do my research. As you move

778
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,640
up then again they towards the mess, the main officers mess,

779
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,839
but up the top corner of the barracks. I think

780
00:33:50,839 --> 00:33:52,519
that might have been a priest's house as well. But

781
00:33:54,079 --> 00:33:56,559
now it didn't have and it's an exaggeration to say

782
00:33:56,559 --> 00:33:58,599
a moat around it, but it did have a kind

783
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,000
of a brain right.

784
00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:03,079
Speaker 5: The way around that that was the quarter Master General's house.

785
00:34:03,359 --> 00:34:06,559
That's where the tunnel that goes to group of barracks.

786
00:34:06,599 --> 00:34:09,039
That's where it's up the collapsing in around there. That's

787
00:34:09,079 --> 00:34:11,639
where they collapsed. Before you get into that corner. If

788
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:13,800
you back up a small bit, you'll have the old

789
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,880
school house. Yes, on the left hand side the church

790
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,840
was the old schoolhouse. Just beside that. What we'll have

791
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,920
to find them was an execution one. All the bullet

792
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:27,960
holes are all still Martin Martini Henry's.

793
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 3: This was an old rifle.

794
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 5: Yes, Now you'll see this being used if you've ever

795
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,400
seen the film Zulu. Yeah, of course, Michael came okay,

796
00:34:36,599 --> 00:34:38,480
and you'll see them for And the one thing that

797
00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:41,079
you notice was that a plume of smoke came out.

798
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:43,159
Speaker 6: You see that.

799
00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 3: Brilliant.

800
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 5: Now they got rid of them and they got three

801
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:48,960
of trees in and that's what they.

802
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,079
Speaker 6: Used back then. And what happened was that you took

803
00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:51,639
the bullets.

804
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,760
Speaker 5: And when we looked at the bulls, Martini Henry and

805
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,719
the only people who had the Martini Henry with the

806
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:56,360
black and hands.

807
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,599
Speaker 3: Really they were the bones. But surely they were an

808
00:34:58,599 --> 00:34:59,199
older weapon.

809
00:34:59,199 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 5: Why would they because they had no weapons to give

810
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:01,760
them when they.

811
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: Would you imagine, these are the guys that want to

812
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,960
do the business and give them the best like the assets,

813
00:35:06,119 --> 00:35:07,119
give them the best weapons.

814
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,639
Speaker 5: They only got uniforms, did nothing for them, so they

815
00:35:10,639 --> 00:35:12,159
gave them all weapons that were there.

816
00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 6: Martine.

817
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,079
Speaker 1: Have you heard any happening in that house, in that

818
00:35:16,159 --> 00:35:18,719
house that's at the corner one that Sarsfield.

819
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 5: Yes, we had a person here only doing a tour,

820
00:35:21,519 --> 00:35:22,599
gone back a month ago.

821
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 6: Yes, And I was bringing them in.

822
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,159
Speaker 5: They said, oh my god, the memories in here, like

823
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,960
really really vivid memories of strange things kind of you

824
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:31,519
know what.

825
00:35:32,159 --> 00:35:34,079
Speaker 3: We're going to tell you this. No, right, I've got

826
00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:35,719
one to add for you here.

827
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: I did. I presented a TV program. It's now long

828
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,320
defunct Channel City Channel Television, and it was to do

829
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:45,880
with the environment and all that. I got to know

830
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,639
this guy. I was interviewing him, like I am you.

831
00:35:48,119 --> 00:35:50,320
We got talking about our childhood and I said I

832
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,159
was an army. Brady said so was I. Where were

833
00:35:52,199 --> 00:35:54,119
you and I said brow He said so was I.

834
00:35:54,119 --> 00:35:56,239
I was up in that house in the course. I said,

835
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,119
that's Quinnan's old house or something, who featured in the

836
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:01,960
film Jaded Ville, by the way, And he said.

837
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 7: To me it was as haunt as as really, he said,

838
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,400
Yet it was a room there used to go freezing cold,

839
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,840
and he was a bit of a meal because he said,

840
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,360
you know, it bothered me, he said, And as an

841
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,760
older guy, I rang one day. I rang a medium

842
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,320
and the medium was actually based in the UK, and

843
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,880
the medium picked up he was ringing from the house.

844
00:36:21,159 --> 00:36:23,880
He or she said, there's a there's activity there, all right,

845
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,599
but it's not it's not malevolent, it's not menacing or anything.

846
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 3: It's to do with horses. It's an ostler. I think

847
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,840
it was some good. He's mischievous, but he's harmless.

848
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: No, I was looking at the map for nineteen oh

849
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,119
three of the barracks, right, I'd look at that house.

850
00:36:40,159 --> 00:36:44,280
Sarsfield has what's at the back of it stables. Oh yeah,

851
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,639
by the way, the gymnasium that you trained him. That's

852
00:36:46,679 --> 00:36:49,840
some building. I don't think many Dublin Dubliners are aware

853
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,000
of what a fine building that is.

854
00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:57,639
Speaker 5: It's possibly the best equipped gym around. It's just amazing. Well,

855
00:36:57,679 --> 00:36:59,000
it's what the soldiers need.

856
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 3: It might get Krude the boxer train there.

857
00:37:01,519 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 5: When we were all part of the gym team back then,

858
00:37:03,639 --> 00:37:05,239
Michael would have been among the star players.

859
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:06,599
Speaker 3: It's a fabulous.

860
00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 5: Really, And then we had the other boxes there like

861
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,360
Phil Subcluff, Phil Subpliffe on two Olympics for or Phil

862
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,239
was probably one of the best boxers that ever came out.

863
00:37:14,159 --> 00:37:15,599
Speaker 3: For them Barracks.

864
00:37:15,639 --> 00:37:19,199
Speaker 1: It's also mentioned in Unises in passing in the context

865
00:37:19,199 --> 00:37:20,079
of the boxing match.

866
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, now, what we had was that gym goes back

867
00:37:24,039 --> 00:37:26,159
to the British days when it used to be a gym.

868
00:37:26,159 --> 00:37:28,599
But nineteen sixteen they opened up as a prisoner and

869
00:37:28,639 --> 00:37:30,599
they used the cells inside, they used them.

870
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 3: Yeah.

871
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 5: So if they picked up anybody down minds, they bring

872
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,360
them up, They put them into the gym.

873
00:37:36,559 --> 00:37:37,679
Speaker 6: They keep them there.

874
00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 5: For a night or two, and if anybody downtown had

875
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,119
seen somebody doing doing something, they bring them up here

876
00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:44,800
and they put them in the lion and they'd spot

877
00:37:45,039 --> 00:37:47,039
they'd spot them out to see who done I did.

878
00:37:47,079 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: They have a bit of fun as well, in the

879
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,559
nastiest possible way, by shooting bullets.

880
00:37:51,199 --> 00:37:52,760
Speaker 3: Around them, making them stand against the wall.

881
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,199
Speaker 5: You showed me the chicken dances, the chicken dance, Chicken dance,

882
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,840
give us information, always shoot you, yeah, and then they

883
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,000
shoot all around them. The bullet marks are still in

884
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:01,239
the wall.

885
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:01,559
Speaker 7: Now.

886
00:38:01,639 --> 00:38:04,039
Speaker 6: Of course hang ons would be more, you know, a

887
00:38:04,119 --> 00:38:05,039
layer around.

888
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 5: And that's how the bulleholds are all still there. Yeah,

889
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:08,960
it's hardly been. A tree or three would have went

890
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:09,639
straight through the wall.

891
00:38:09,679 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: And within literally feet of that there are the old

892
00:38:12,519 --> 00:38:13,320
shooting ranges.

893
00:38:13,519 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 3: Are they in brown Stiller? There they were? They were

894
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:17,239
kind of gone on I.

895
00:38:17,639 --> 00:38:20,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, no one put you down there all right. Yeah,

896
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,239
well we used to good all to to all too too.

897
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,239
But back then you could. You could make the f

898
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,599
M rifles, you could take the.

899
00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 3: Modified and put them in to use them.

900
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:33,159
Speaker 5: Yeah.

901
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,159
Speaker 3: Perfect, because I used to go down there and you're not.

902
00:38:35,159 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: I was intrigued as the amount of graffiti and it

903
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,480
will be dating from the Second World War and the

904
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,599
fifties and all the service men that have gone through there,

905
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,079
so is that there.

906
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,559
Speaker 5: Will be a training walls. So we used to use

907
00:38:46,599 --> 00:38:49,199
them walls every morning. Yeah, you'd be thrown over the walls,

908
00:38:49,519 --> 00:38:52,360
ten walls and they were all seven eight foot hard

909
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,920
and you'd be made get over them, you know, So

910
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,440
that that was your training there.

911
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,639
Speaker 3: You kind of NCO's messics. It's still knocking around in

912
00:38:58,639 --> 00:39:00,079
that still.

913
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 6: Exact same down the corner.

914
00:39:01,519 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 5: You used to have the sargest message across the world

915
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,480
but that went into the military archives took all over,

916
00:39:06,679 --> 00:39:09,039
so now they have a lot of their paperworking there,

917
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,760
and then they'd have the bomb disposal una and then

918
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,159
you'd have right down to where Skefton was executed and

919
00:39:15,199 --> 00:39:16,280
the Michael Collins help.

920
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 1: So you discovered you did a bit of detective work

921
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,880
yourself for years. Right behind this guard room there was

922
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,199
a little ornate garden and I was a child and

923
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,480
I used to go down and pond little pond that's right,

924
00:39:29,559 --> 00:39:32,480
the little god that's going back, the little pond of

925
00:39:32,559 --> 00:39:34,079
and it was it was flowers. Or there was a

926
00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:37,119
plaque on the wall where the three guys had been, but.

927
00:39:37,039 --> 00:39:39,159
Speaker 3: That that's not where they were shot.

928
00:39:39,519 --> 00:39:42,639
Speaker 5: Well or was see I'll tell you what happened. They

929
00:39:42,679 --> 00:39:46,119
were when they were shot. They said, he said, bring

930
00:39:46,159 --> 00:39:47,880
them out to the yard behind the guardroom. We're going

931
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:48,639
to execute them.

932
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 6: Now.

933
00:39:49,079 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 5: When I went into looking at the ladies that were

934
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,079
at the gate was Hannashy Skeverton and mister Dixon and

935
00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:57,480
mcintoy was their family. They were ladies who are at

936
00:39:57,519 --> 00:39:59,639
the gates here. Now when I went more into it

937
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,519
just makes sense to say that they were shot in

938
00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:02,840
the yard, that belonged to.

939
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 6: The guard room.

940
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 5: Just didn't make sense because it's only literally ten yards

941
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,400
away from the gates. So but yet the ladies never

942
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,239
heard that the men got executed to three days after

943
00:40:12,559 --> 00:40:15,679
the battalion commander's office, and the battalion commander told them

944
00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:17,800
to let them go. He gave him an order to

945
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,239
let the three men go. His office is attached to

946
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,960
the guardroom. It's attached here to the guardroom. He never

947
00:40:23,079 --> 00:40:25,880
heard the shots. So the more I looked into it,

948
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,199
the more I said, this just doesn't sound right. No,

949
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,719
I went more into it than that. It went more

950
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,480
in depth, and then I said, do you know the

951
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,880
barraks was broken up back then into two different places.

952
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,960
There was the hospital area and there was the barricades.

953
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,119
And then it was more investigating that I realized that

954
00:40:42,159 --> 00:40:44,320
there was a hospital yard. So when they said bring

955
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,239
them out to the yard behind the guard room, did

956
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,800
he mean the hospital yard to get them away from

957
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,239
the gate. And I believe that he brought them to

958
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,519
the hospital yard, which is about one hundred yards down.

959
00:40:54,679 --> 00:40:56,840
But the hospital yard was kind of in a sea

960
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,400
a letter C shape, and he brought them behind that

961
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:03,679
annie noise or any volleys shot that went off when

962
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,480
they went off the building and the other direction. Also,

963
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,960
you had the range that we were just talking about,

964
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,840
that's just up the way, so it would have been

965
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,199
common his shots coming from there, so it wouldn't have

966
00:41:14,199 --> 00:41:16,599
been unheard of. Just here, something in the distance, that

967
00:41:16,639 --> 00:41:19,039
would be common. But to hear something come from the

968
00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:22,440
yard here, absolutely no, no, because nobody heard it. So

969
00:41:23,079 --> 00:41:25,639
I went up had a look. Not only did we

970
00:41:25,679 --> 00:41:27,760
find where they took the bricks out of the wall

971
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,320
to try the disguise where he'd done. Because the bullets

972
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,800
went through the bricks, went through the men and through

973
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,280
the bricks, destroyed the bricks, so we found that the

974
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:39,719
bricks were freshly put in. Also, we found a hole

975
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,400
in the brick and we went in investigated with X

976
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,800
ray machines from the bomb disposal. We found as a

977
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:45,760
round sill in the world.

978
00:41:46,039 --> 00:41:47,599
Speaker 3: It's still there, still there.

979
00:41:47,639 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 5: We pull it back, we took it out, we sent

980
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:55,599
it off. It's a mouse around and what gunned the pistol.

981
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,119
Speaker 6: But he was involved in it as well.

982
00:41:57,199 --> 00:41:59,199
Speaker 5: So I always wondered why did they bring two men

983
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,679
out to shoot three men? And it was only then

984
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,480
that I realized. But the bullet went.

985
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 6: Through a tree.

986
00:42:05,039 --> 00:42:06,679
Speaker 5: See what they said was bring them down to have

987
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,960
a cigarette. And this when they went down, they stood

988
00:42:09,039 --> 00:42:11,159
under the tree. There's no tree going to ever be

989
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,519
in the guard room. This is what made me made

990
00:42:13,559 --> 00:42:15,639
me think. But so when they went down, the litt

991
00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:17,360
up a cigarette and as soon as they did, they

992
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,960
cocked the weapons and they fured on the men. All

993
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,519
the evidence is still there. So we got the bullet out,

994
00:42:22,559 --> 00:42:24,199
we had the look, we put it back in the wall.

995
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,519
The shallow grave that is still there. So what we've

996
00:42:27,519 --> 00:42:29,599
done is that we cleaned up the whole area. The

997
00:42:29,639 --> 00:42:32,119
bodies were exhumed by the officers that were hearing the

998
00:42:32,119 --> 00:42:34,320
barracks while the carcase was going on, and they want

999
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,199
to give them back to the families because the officers

1000
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,840
didn't want to people outside to think that they were murderers.

1001
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,920
So they took the bodies up. They're going to touch

1002
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,320
the families, and they even paid money.

1003
00:42:43,079 --> 00:42:44,039
Speaker 6: For them to be buried.

1004
00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 5: Two were buried than glass never at one's buried in Deansgrange.

1005
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,320
Then they covered up the area. It's like everything else.

1006
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:52,000
You get a dog burrs a bone, he digs it up,

1007
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:54,320
takes the bone out, a week later when you put

1008
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,840
the door back. Over time with rain, it'll sink. You'll

1009
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,920
often get that devil like a bowels exactly what we

1010
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,639
found up there to where the lads were about it,

1011
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,519
and that that's how we knew where they were about it.

1012
00:43:04,639 --> 00:43:06,920
The tree is right beside the weady history and the

1013
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,880
bricks are out of the wall, and yet the bullets still.

1014
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:10,559
Speaker 6: In the wall.

1015
00:43:11,079 --> 00:43:13,159
Speaker 3: To you, because I mean you rewrote history.

1016
00:43:13,559 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 5: Well, it's as I said, it's a passionate walk and

1017
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,559
you know you've just triggered something else off We were

1018
00:43:20,559 --> 00:43:23,639
talking about Sarsfield House, but just beyond that, it's.

1019
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,679
Speaker 1: Occurred to me that's some time, not that long ago,

1020
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:27,920
in contemporary times.

1021
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,079
Speaker 3: There was a bunch of skeletons found that's right.

1022
00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:32,039
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it was around the back round the.

1023
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:37,199
Speaker 3: Back date them. Maybe it's a battle of red.

1024
00:43:37,079 --> 00:43:40,199
Speaker 5: Mines or god knows, God knows going back that far

1025
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,559
they came up because we started up a lot months there.

1026
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:44,679
Speaker 6: There mused to be a lot of them.

1027
00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: We had one yeah years ago at the Garrison church,

1028
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:49,960
but the flats are.

1029
00:43:50,679 --> 00:43:51,679
Speaker 3: But anyway you're saying.

1030
00:43:51,559 --> 00:43:53,639
Speaker 5: Well, around the corner from that the round it is

1031
00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:56,039
where they were found. There was skeletons found there and

1032
00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:57,800
I think it happened before it happened at the back

1033
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,760
of the gymnasium as well. There was a couple of

1034
00:44:00,039 --> 00:44:03,639
the found their skeletons film back there. But it could

1035
00:44:03,639 --> 00:44:07,239
be you could be talking way way back.

1036
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 3: Well known see the whole land.

1037
00:44:09,639 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 1: We've just toured the whole barracks virtually and I hope

1038
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,360
you've enjoyed it. But nobody will have done it more

1039
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,840
justice or have explained things more comprehensively. The blood of

1040
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,719
the place runs through you know than your good self.

1041
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,039
So no MacDonald, thank you so much. It's been an

1042
00:44:25,079 --> 00:44:27,960
absolute pleasure and a revelation to me as well, so much.

1043
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:28,519
Speaker 3: I didn't know.

1044
00:44:28,639 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 6: It's a pleasure.

1045
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 5: And do you know what, I'm the lud you came in.

1046
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:32,559
What I will say is that if you have any

1047
00:44:32,559 --> 00:44:35,239
listeners and are interested in it, you're can in touch

1048
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,039
with the barracks and ask me in touch with Noel

1049
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,400
and then all organos of tour and make sure that

1050
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:40,159
they have a good day.

1051
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: Well, the inaugural scary era of podcast was built right

1052
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,039
around here and it couldn't have gotten off to a

1053
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:46,639
better start.

1054
00:44:46,679 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 3: Now, make sure that that happens. Thanks again, No, thanks you.

1055
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,119
Speaker 1: If you've got an Irish paranormal experience you'd like to share,

1056
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:57,239
get in touch Paranormal Ireland at ProtonMail dot com. I

1057
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,119
have a feeling, my dear, you're going to enjoy it

1058
00:45:00,159 --> 00:45:03,239
is quite a lot. Earlier this week, the Squire David

1059
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,360
McGlynn plunked himself into the Scary Era studio and told

1060
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,280
us all about the northeast of Ireland. I could not

1061
00:45:09,519 --> 00:45:15,480
start a Scary Era episode without my bachelorhood friend. Welcome

1062
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:16,960
the Squire McGlynn.

1063
00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 3: Hello.

1064
00:45:17,679 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 1: Yes, he's a man of few words, but in his

1065
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,679
time he was known as the catch of the county.

1066
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:23,639
Why was that, David?

1067
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 8: I tended to catch a lot of things.

1068
00:45:25,599 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: They did, and we won't go into that here, but

1069
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:28,800
most of.

1070
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,079
Speaker 4: Them were treated. Some of them have recurred, none of

1071
00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:31,880
them permanently.

1072
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,159
Speaker 1: When I met this guy, the Squire David McGlynn, I

1073
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,679
arrived in this outfit. It was the closest thing to

1074
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,719
being in Goodfellas, Tan.

1075
00:45:40,599 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 4: Colored BMW five twenty diesel. I think he was arriving

1076
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,000
at the time. That was your company car?

1077
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,599
Speaker 1: Was I couldn't tell. I just knew I'd been headhunted.

1078
00:45:49,679 --> 00:45:53,679
I knew I had jumped on the Titanic, and I

1079
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,960
bid my time, but I sure as hell wasn't. I

1080
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,239
wasn't gonna go down with it. There I was in

1081
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,039
the corridors one and this bespectacled you remember the red

1082
00:46:02,079 --> 00:46:04,960
Spectacles very eighties, actually it was early nineties, but you

1083
00:46:05,079 --> 00:46:10,719
did spectacles. He had the suit probably Hugo Boss walking along. You,

1084
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,960
by the way, were the first person talk to me

1085
00:46:14,039 --> 00:46:18,400
about laptop computers, and I subsequently made quite a nice

1086
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,039
living at a laptop computers.

1087
00:46:20,199 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 4: Was actually called a compatible loggable at the time. It

1088
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,760
was like a small suitcase but very heavy. Came out

1089
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,559
of the IBM PS one, which was the very first

1090
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,360
personal computer PC in any office in the world.

1091
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,519
Speaker 1: I don't doubt scintilla of that. But we're here to

1092
00:46:36,599 --> 00:46:42,039
talk about the northeast of Ireland, which is imbued, it's steeped,

1093
00:46:42,039 --> 00:46:44,880
it's immersed in history, Am I correct.

1094
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,280
Speaker 4: It's actually the place where it's believed that Saint Patrick

1095
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,880
arrived in around the sixth century, fifth century, but way

1096
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:56,400
before that, the Irish as a race arrived through the

1097
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,280
Iberian Peninsula. So basically the Basque region of northern Spain.

1098
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,400
We all basically come from there, and the first people

1099
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,079
to arrive were the Milesians.

1100
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: That sounds like a disease. Yeah, yeah, sorry, it.

1101
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 4: Does sound similar to Lesions, but it's not quite the

1102
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:14,599
same thing. But the Mylesians were Middle East kind of area.

1103
00:47:14,639 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: But they were dark skinned with blue eyes, so I.

1104
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 4: Heard could have been I don't know. I don't know

1105
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,880
about that. They but they arrived, and it's believed they arrived.

1106
00:47:23,119 --> 00:47:25,519
Simpatrick arrived at the point that was the first place

1107
00:47:25,559 --> 00:47:28,039
he arrived in and then traveled from there throughout Ireland.

1108
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:31,599
Mylesians arrived in the same place to the point, which

1109
00:47:31,639 --> 00:47:34,320
is northeast, which is what exactly the area we're talking about.

1110
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,719
Their king was called Amagin, and he's believed to be

1111
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:43,000
buried underneath mill Mount. Mill Mount is in Drahada. So Amagin,

1112
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,320
who is a famous I believe poet, was the king

1113
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,039
of the Mylegians, the first people to arrive in Ireland.

1114
00:47:49,079 --> 00:47:50,199
Speaker 8: They arrived in the northeast.

1115
00:47:50,519 --> 00:47:52,039
Speaker 1: I want to talk of just about a few of

1116
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:56,760
these spots in the northeast. Of course, probably the world

1117
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:01,559
renowned New Grange be the place to start. It's a

1118
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:06,480
neolithic I'm told tomb. It's three two hundred years old,

1119
00:48:06,679 --> 00:48:11,519
David at least, yes, which makes it older sorry English people.

1120
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,360
Older than Stonehenge. It's older than the Pyramids.

1121
00:48:14,559 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's older than both Stulling place. What can I

1122
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:17,880
say about New Grange?

1123
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,199
Speaker 1: Talk to me about the salstice? What happens.

1124
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 4: Saltice happens around the twenty first twenty second of December.

1125
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,760
Speaker 8: Every year, and it's the end.

1126
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 4: Of the winter cycle of the sun. And basically this

1127
00:48:30,039 --> 00:48:31,800
place has been built in such a way that at

1128
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,400
a certain time on the morning of twenty first or

1129
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:38,119
twenty second of December, the sun comes through a slit

1130
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,760
in a piece of stone which is above the doorway

1131
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,679
to New Grange. New Grange is a tomb, so there

1132
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:46,840
is a passageway into the main chamber of the tomb.

1133
00:48:47,079 --> 00:48:50,400
There's a slit in the stone above the doorway, and

1134
00:48:50,519 --> 00:48:53,599
light comes in from the rising sun through that slit

1135
00:48:53,639 --> 00:48:57,440
in the stone and illuminates the entrance the whole chamber.

1136
00:48:57,679 --> 00:49:00,880
It eventually reaches the back of the which is the

1137
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,079
walkway up to the chamber itself, and then illuminates the

1138
00:49:04,119 --> 00:49:07,320
whole chamber. And this happens just once a year at

1139
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,559
this particular time of the solstice. The brains or intelligence

1140
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:14,800
needed at that time to be able to construct something

1141
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:19,559
that would achieve that is just phenomena. It's phenomenal. How

1142
00:49:19,559 --> 00:49:21,880
did they think it up? They obviously spent a long

1143
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,360
long time watching the sun, everything about the seasons.

1144
00:49:24,519 --> 00:49:26,679
Speaker 1: Well, the first time I heard about it was do

1145
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:31,360
you recall a show called Arthur C. Clock's Mysterious World

1146
00:49:31,679 --> 00:49:35,480
that aired. I heard him say, this is older than

1147
00:49:35,519 --> 00:49:38,079
the pyramids. Can be very cloudy. A lot of people

1148
00:49:38,119 --> 00:49:39,360
are disappointed.

1149
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,199
Speaker 4: Watching the northern lights and asteroids in the far off

1150
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,599
night sky, complete waste of time. If it's cloudy, and

1151
00:49:44,639 --> 00:49:46,639
if it's cloudy at all, you won't see it.

1152
00:49:46,519 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 8: It doesn't happen.

1153
00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 4: So you have to have completely clear skies for the

1154
00:49:50,039 --> 00:49:51,239
sun to be able to shine.

1155
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: And there's a waiting list on this and people are

1156
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:54,119
picked every year.

1157
00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 8: There's a lottery.

1158
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,559
Speaker 4: You can put your name on a waiting list, and

1159
00:49:56,599 --> 00:49:59,280
there's a lottery every year and you can get to

1160
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,480
go inside. I put my name down on that list

1161
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,960
probably about fifteen twenty years ago and have never heard

1162
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,320
a word since. That's how difficult it is. So it's

1163
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:09,320
very much a lottery.

1164
00:50:09,559 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: Northeast it's it's a bloody place. And David one of

1165
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:17,480
his pier tears. Here's a fancy word. What's that mean, David,

1166
00:50:17,559 --> 00:50:20,760
I don't even know myself on the ground, all right,

1167
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:25,719
Well I did know, right, freckin' egghead. So he had

1168
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,920
a gate lodge, right the colonel was there was old

1169
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:32,840
British army influence and David, as a young bachelor, decided

1170
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:33,599
that major.

1171
00:50:33,639 --> 00:50:36,119
Speaker 8: Actually was he a major?

1172
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: Sure that's less than a colonel. As you know, he.

1173
00:50:39,559 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 8: Always corrected everybody that he was a major.

1174
00:50:41,519 --> 00:50:43,280
Speaker 1: So I want to talk about this place. It was

1175
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:47,199
a gate lodge of a big house. Was at a farmhouse?

1176
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,800
What was it? What was the major involved in? He

1177
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,880
was very brave by the way to be a British

1178
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,000
Army major and living up that Negadi woods or foolish.

1179
00:50:55,119 --> 00:50:57,119
Speaker 4: What was actually very funny about him, and I don't

1180
00:50:57,159 --> 00:50:59,480
remember his name, but what was very funny about him

1181
00:50:59,519 --> 00:51:02,199
was that he was very eccentric, very British at West

1182
00:51:02,199 --> 00:51:04,159
Briti as he would be called in Ireland, and a

1183
00:51:04,199 --> 00:51:07,119
West Britain would be somebody who the Irish would consider English,

1184
00:51:07,199 --> 00:51:09,639
or who have somebody who has an affinity to England.

1185
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:13,320
But the major was a retired British Army major and

1186
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:17,280
when he left, his responsibility in Ireland was.

1187
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,199
Speaker 8: To recruit for the army and that was actually his job.

1188
00:51:20,199 --> 00:51:22,199
Speaker 4: Well that's what he always good luck with that, that's

1189
00:51:22,199 --> 00:51:23,320
what he always told us.

1190
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 8: And he drove around in a battlet ol.

1191
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,559
Speaker 1: He drove around in an armored car.

1192
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 4: Say, drove around in a battered old red BMW three

1193
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,679
series and it was an eighties three series Beam with

1194
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:36,400
a Maltese cross.

1195
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,079
Speaker 1: So we could give a mout to snout resuscitation if

1196
00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:40,920
any of the animals keeled over.

1197
00:51:41,639 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 8: It was more to do with colonialism owning Malta.

1198
00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 3: God.

1199
00:51:45,559 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: Well, I remember this. Sorry, I need to bring it

1200
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,559
back to the Gate Lodge. So you inhabited that as

1201
00:51:50,599 --> 00:51:53,519
a as a kind of a bachelor pad. We would

1202
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:58,519
nurse hangovers there and you would hold little kind of

1203
00:51:58,599 --> 00:52:03,559
mini like microcos, make baronial meals for the invited. That's

1204
00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:06,119
which I was one, and I was asked by you,

1205
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:10,840
did I want what's that cheese? Sare is sware swarre?

1206
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:11,159
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1207
00:52:11,159 --> 00:52:12,199
Speaker 1: Baronial is a bit.

1208
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 8: Too small to be baronic? Is this such a word?

1209
00:52:15,519 --> 00:52:18,159
Speaker 1: Folks? Sorry we are We will get back to the paranormal.

1210
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:21,719
We were having some kind of of spaghetti and you

1211
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,840
said to me, would you like some parmesan cheese with that?

1212
00:52:25,199 --> 00:52:28,000
And I said yes, please, David, and you told me

1213
00:52:28,039 --> 00:52:32,679
to f off that you didn't have any. So that's

1214
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:34,800
what you were dealing with. But let's set the scene.

1215
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:39,480
This place, if I remember correctly, was set on. Was

1216
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,559
it the battleground or a site of the Battle of

1217
00:52:42,599 --> 00:52:43,119
the Boyne.

1218
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 8: No, I'm shaking my head.

1219
00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 4: No, the battle site of the Boyne is just beside

1220
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,440
the Boyne River, so it's a couple of miles away

1221
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:49,840
from there.

1222
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: So what was that sixteen ninety something? Was it sixteen

1223
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,039
ninety or sixteen ninety Explain to the people what the

1224
00:52:55,039 --> 00:52:58,199
Battle of the Boinne was? Just roughly a thumbnail sketch.

1225
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,000
Prince William or King William was of Orange.

1226
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 8: King William of Orange was drafted in.

1227
00:53:04,039 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 4: This is very, very roughly, so the best thing to

1228
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,559
do is research this if you want accurate. King William

1229
00:53:08,599 --> 00:53:11,280
of Orange, who was Dutch, was drafted in by the

1230
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,760
royal family of the UK to take over the crown

1231
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,480
of England. And it was around the time of James

1232
00:53:15,519 --> 00:53:18,360
the First. James the First was a Catholic. William of

1233
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,800
Orange was a Protestant, and as with most of Irish history,

1234
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,400
it's all to do with religion. So basically, William of

1235
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,599
Orange arrived here to have a battle against James the First,

1236
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:29,519
and James the First at the time was the king

1237
00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:32,280
of the United Kingdom and Ireland, or at the time

1238
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,480
it was Great Britain and Ireland, so he had a

1239
00:53:34,519 --> 00:53:38,079
lot of his troops were Irish Catholics against.

1240
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 8: Their own people. It was very confused, yes, but it happened.

1241
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,039
Speaker 4: Basically, it was the last major battle of its type

1242
00:53:43,199 --> 00:53:46,599
on Irish soil that I can remember, and William of

1243
00:53:46,599 --> 00:53:50,239
Orange won the battle. James the First fled the battlefield

1244
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,960
in disarray, and there's a story that he was on

1245
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,199
his way to Dublin. He stopped at a hostelry and

1246
00:53:56,599 --> 00:53:59,360
it was said to him or he was asked why

1247
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,960
he was where he was and he said, oh, everybody

1248
00:54:02,039 --> 00:54:03,280
ran away from the battlefield.

1249
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 8: Everybody betrayed me. And the person who.

1250
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 4: Asked him the question said, well, that's that's unusual because

1251
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,639
you're the first to arrive, which obviously.

1252
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: Yes, he ran before.

1253
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, sure, well that's true, and I don't know

1254
00:54:14,679 --> 00:54:15,960
it's one of the stories out of it.

1255
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,679
Speaker 8: So sixteen ninety still a major.

1256
00:54:18,519 --> 00:54:22,519
Speaker 1: Of course ramifications to this day. Luckily we seem to

1257
00:54:22,519 --> 00:54:26,119
be over the worst of it. There's there's a pretty

1258
00:54:26,519 --> 00:54:29,679
it's always just below the surface. But Deytonte has ruled

1259
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,719
supreme since nineteen ninety eight or so, and let's hope

1260
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:33,639
it stays that way.

1261
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 8: Yeah, we don't seem to have any problems.

1262
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,519
Speaker 4: Really, there's still an underbelly you'll always get that doesn't

1263
00:54:38,559 --> 00:54:39,760
tend to rear its ugly head.

1264
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,599
Speaker 8: And we're in relative peace these days.

1265
00:54:41,599 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm gonna have to stick with the blood

1266
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,199
end of things. You're a drah De man, right. It

1267
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:49,719
was sacked by our friend who's the baddie that did

1268
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:53,519
all the killing and Oliver cro Oliver Cromwell, wharts and all.

1269
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 8: Yeah, he was.

1270
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:58,639
Speaker 4: He was in opposition to the crown in the UK

1271
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,880
at the time. Anti royalist Charles the First was on

1272
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,519
the throne at the time. Cromwell got together what was

1273
00:55:05,559 --> 00:55:08,760
called the New Model Army and basically set off against

1274
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:13,199
the Crown. Part of his insurrection involved trying to overtake

1275
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,760
parts of Ireland, one of which was Drahda. There are

1276
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:19,239
other battles as well, but Drahoda was particularly gruesome and

1277
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:20,599
bloody one.

1278
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:25,280
Speaker 1: The sacking of Drahada that was men, women and children, really,

1279
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:26,920
wasn't it. It was just horrendous.

1280
00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 4: There are various reports about what happened there. There are

1281
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,320
reports of over two and a half thousand men, women

1282
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,760
and children being slaughtered by Cromwell's troops. There are differing

1283
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,440
opinions on that. I personally know an historian who's written

1284
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,320
a few books on the subject, and he brought up

1285
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,599
a very well I find interesting point, and he said,

1286
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:47,920
if two and a half to three thousand people were

1287
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,880
actually slaughtered, where are the skeletons. There are no skeletons.

1288
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,719
Nobodies have been found in that kind of number, No

1289
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,239
mass graves have been found. With all of the archaeological

1290
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,119
digging and stuff that has gone on in the area

1291
00:55:59,159 --> 00:56:01,880
of which there's play, there's no actual proof, but that

1292
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,440
doesn't serve the narrative of people who want to paint

1293
00:56:04,519 --> 00:56:09,400
Cromwell as an absolute evil monster, evil monster, which no

1294
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,639
doubt he was to a certain extent, But I think

1295
00:56:11,639 --> 00:56:13,760
there's more to it than that. There seems to be

1296
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:17,119
it looks like he got a very bad rap. He

1297
00:56:17,199 --> 00:56:20,000
was very, very heavily supported at the time. Everybody thought

1298
00:56:20,039 --> 00:56:22,559
he was great, and everybody turned on him. And history

1299
00:56:22,599 --> 00:56:24,719
is written by the victors, and he wasn't a victor

1300
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:26,840
for very long. And the ones that came after are

1301
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:28,719
the ones that wrote his history.

1302
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:33,280
Speaker 1: He did something, I mean, he really over through the monarchy,

1303
00:56:33,559 --> 00:56:35,719
and I mean as far as you can get them,

1304
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:37,559
which was behead the king.

1305
00:56:38,599 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 6: Wow.

1306
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: Can I ask you? And you can obviously say no,

1307
00:56:42,039 --> 00:56:44,519
And it's a quick but just when we talk paranormal

1308
00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:47,679
and ghosts and stuff like that, anything ever happened to

1309
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:48,639
David McGlynn.

1310
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, a couple of things over the years. But I've learned,

1311
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,519
well I don't. I suppose it's not learned. I've just

1312
00:56:54,559 --> 00:56:56,400
become accustomed to it. And I think it's kind of

1313
00:56:56,519 --> 00:56:59,440
it's maybe it's it's another sense or something. But often

1314
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,159
when you go into places, you will get a feeling

1315
00:57:01,159 --> 00:57:03,280
for the place, and you'll get a feeling of whether

1316
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,159
or not it's comfortable for you. And whatever cause is that,

1317
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,079
who knows what causes that. But we have an intuition,

1318
00:57:09,159 --> 00:57:11,599
We have an inbuilt intuition. I can't describe what it

1319
00:57:11,639 --> 00:57:14,039
is or where it comes from or the physics of

1320
00:57:14,079 --> 00:57:16,559
it or the chemistry of it. But it's there, and

1321
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,679
anybody will will tell you to stick with your intuition.

1322
00:57:20,079 --> 00:57:23,360
If you think something doesn't feel right, then don't hang around.

1323
00:57:23,519 --> 00:57:26,119
I've had that feeling quite a few times over the years.

1324
00:57:26,199 --> 00:57:28,880
I've had there's a few different stories that There was

1325
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,880
one which actually happened in Drahad. A friend of mine

1326
00:57:32,119 --> 00:57:34,480
and myself we're walking home one night from the pub,

1327
00:57:34,519 --> 00:57:36,679
and I have to add we hadn't imbued bites.

1328
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 8: We had two drinks.

1329
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,199
Speaker 4: We were both nineteen years old at the time, and

1330
00:57:40,239 --> 00:57:45,199
we passed a place called Tommy Hanrattis Tommy Handerties is

1331
00:57:45,239 --> 00:57:46,840
a pub that had been there for at least a

1332
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,599
couple of hundred years. And as we were walking past

1333
00:57:49,679 --> 00:57:51,519
this place, it was about half past twelve at night,

1334
00:57:51,599 --> 00:57:55,639
an old guy in a long woolen coat, long black

1335
00:57:55,639 --> 00:57:58,920
woolen coat, wearing what I later found out was a

1336
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:01,679
Homburg hat, which is a type of troll bey but

1337
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:05,760
very specific to the turn of the century Edwardian era.

1338
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,599
It's very very specific type of hat. And the reason

1339
00:58:08,599 --> 00:58:10,480
I know that now is because I was trying to

1340
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,039
describe him to so many people. But I couldn't describe

1341
00:58:13,039 --> 00:58:15,719
the hat. Just as we were turning the corner, this

1342
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,440
figure came around the corner said good evening, lifted his

1343
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,679
Homburg hat, and that was it, basically, and I said

1344
00:58:21,719 --> 00:58:23,679
to him good night. My friend, who had carried on

1345
00:58:23,719 --> 00:58:26,360
a couple of steps further, turned around and said to

1346
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,519
me who you're talking to? And I said, the old guy.

1347
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:30,880
Did you not see him? The old guy who just

1348
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,679
came around the corner. And he said, nobody's just come

1349
00:58:32,679 --> 00:58:34,599
around the corner. I didn't think an awful lot of

1350
00:58:34,639 --> 00:58:36,480
it until the next day. I had to go to

1351
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,199
Tommy Handrotty's Pub and I went in there ostensibly for

1352
00:58:39,199 --> 00:58:41,519
a pint, but while I was in there, I asked, actually,

1353
00:58:41,559 --> 00:58:44,079
the guy's name behind the bar is Tommy Handroton. He's

1354
00:58:44,119 --> 00:58:47,320
related to his grandfather opened the pub originally. And I

1355
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,559
said to him, was your dad around or was your

1356
00:58:49,559 --> 00:58:52,239
granddad around? And he said, my grandfather's been dead for years.

1357
00:58:53,079 --> 00:58:54,760
And I said, well, we were walking past last night

1358
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:58,679
and an alfala in a long black coat wearing a

1359
00:58:58,679 --> 00:59:01,599
black hat said good night to us out of nowhere

1360
00:59:01,679 --> 00:59:04,199
and he said, that's my grandfather. In Ireland, it would

1361
00:59:04,239 --> 00:59:06,840
be ah, yeah, that happens all the time. That's that's

1362
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,599
you know, that's common occurrence. We discussed briefly what the

1363
00:59:10,599 --> 00:59:12,280
guy looked like. A yeah, it happens all the time

1364
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,480
in the same thing. We get that all the time.

1365
00:59:14,599 --> 00:59:16,599
And he was very offhand about the whole thing, to

1366
00:59:16,599 --> 00:59:19,599
be totally oun That was one story. There were a

1367
00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:22,679
couple of others. I'm sure I saw my grandmother once.

1368
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,280
I'd never seen my grandmother. She died before I was born,

1369
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,760
but I was in growing up in a house in Birmingham,

1370
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,840
and she appeared in the ceiling above my bed, just

1371
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:32,800
looking at me. As far as I I just saw

1372
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:34,519
an old woman looking at me from the ceiling. It

1373
00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:38,039
was absolutely Gary's not the word. But the next morning

1374
00:59:38,119 --> 00:59:40,119
I asked my mother. I said to my mother, there

1375
00:59:40,119 --> 00:59:41,679
was an old lady looking at me. I would have

1376
00:59:41,679 --> 00:59:43,559
been about ten or eleven at the time, and my

1377
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:46,000
mother just asked me what did she look like? And

1378
00:59:46,039 --> 00:59:48,039
I told her and she said that was your granny. Now,

1379
00:59:48,119 --> 00:59:50,360
my mother may have just said that to placate me

1380
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,239
and to calm me down and lay the whole thing,

1381
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,719
lay it down, but she said I had described my grandmother.

1382
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:58,039
Whether or not it was her. I don't know, but yeah,

1383
00:59:58,039 --> 01:00:00,000
a few things like that have happened over the years.

1384
01:00:00,199 --> 01:00:02,760
I tend to kind of believe them. Don't believe them,

1385
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:04,039
it's just something that happens.

1386
01:00:04,159 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: Well, David, it's been lovely reacquainting myself with you. I

1387
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,719
think I'll probably use a third of what we have

1388
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,599
recorded here. I joke, of course, I can chop it

1389
01:00:12,679 --> 01:00:16,960
up anyway I want. And oh, that Scary Era, I

1390
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,119
can shove it up anyway. Could you do Alia Lieson alone?

1391
01:00:20,519 --> 01:00:21,400
Would you do a Liam?

1392
01:00:21,559 --> 01:00:22,079
Speaker 6: Can you do it?

1393
01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:24,239
Speaker 1: Because David's very good at unprshing something else.

1394
01:00:25,199 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 8: I will find you.

1395
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, I'll know your name. We'll be coming off,

1396
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,159
so we'll send the boys around to nail your knees

1397
01:00:33,159 --> 01:00:37,119
to the door. Thanks very much, David. That was brilliant. Bye.

1398
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:40,280
What an old smoothie the Squire is. I hope you

1399
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:44,199
enjoyed today's inaugural Scary Era show. Thanks to the good

1400
01:00:44,239 --> 01:00:46,960
people at Paranormal UK for putting up with me for

1401
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:50,000
the last hour. They're going to retire to their bood

1402
01:00:50,079 --> 01:00:53,280
war to decide whether it's worth doing another one. But

1403
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,360
if you've been impressed and you'd like to get involved

1404
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,599
at all. The old strap me to a pig and

1405
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:00,719
roll me in the mud top of the morning, in

1406
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:04,719
the bottom of the evening Shenanigan's malarkey. We'd love to

1407
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:08,960
hear from you. Email Paranormal Ireland at ProtonMail dot com.

1408
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,639
Tell us your ghostly Ivory story, now, won't you? You

1409
01:01:11,679 --> 01:01:14,199
won't see what I'll be giving you for Christmas. I'll go,

1410
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:16,280
so mind yourself and don't get your leg cut in

1411
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the door of your bicycle from a south Mark manning.

1412
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Take care because I care.