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a UFO hanging in? We don't want.

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Speaker 2: To report every thirty one.

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Speaker 1: Do you wish to report a.

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Speaker 1: Those areas thirty one?

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Speaker 3: Do you wish to find a report of any kind

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds time.

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Speaker 1: Areas thirty one? Me neither there. See if it was

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anybody a U above us to pass us, like thirty

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seconds ago, we.

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Speaker 5: Were sending one top of golf negative, okay, OFFI the UFO.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's murder two nine o'clock.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I'll passed over.

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Speaker 7: God.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what it was, but it's from at

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least to three thousand feet above us.

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Speaker 6: See, I passed out over.

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Speaker 2: The top of us.

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Speaker 5: Ninety one one.

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Speaker 2: You just called both to be be four. They're after

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staying the airplanes.

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Speaker 4: And is.

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Speaker 3: I sere to God?

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Speaker 1: More calm on an unidentified object every liberty four call

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or calm on an unidentified flying object.

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Speaker 8: A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share

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their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had

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Speaker 4: Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. How are you

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all doing. I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO

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Chronicles podcast, firsthand witness accounts of the strange and unexplained.

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Tonight's guests are Leslie and Stephen Shaw from southern California,

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and they will be sharing their UFO and alien encounters

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Speaker 4: Hello, Leslie, Hello Stephen, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Hi Nick, thank you for much.

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Speaker 4: Thank you both for joining us today. And you're calling

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from California.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Sonny, Southern California.

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Speaker 4: Sunny seven California.

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Speaker 2: Wonderful.

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Speaker 4: Now, you both have some UFO science to share. Would

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you like to stand the beginning? Please, well.

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Speaker 5: The first one we shared, which was my first UFO ever,

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was in two thousand and five in January. We were

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driving home from an art club meeting at night on

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Highway sixty two going west, and we saw a bright

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white light in front of us that just kept getting

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brighter and brighter, although it looked like it was just hovering,

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but it must have been traveling towards us because it

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got larger and brighter or we to it, and then

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it took off north over and gone over the northern

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horizon in less than a quarter of a second. I've

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never seen anything like that in my life. It moved

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had to been thousands of miles per hour right stee.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and.

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Speaker 5: It was like, Wow, it's real, and I believed my husband.

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I believed him when he was telling me that he'd

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had these experiences, but there's something about actually seeing it

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that just solidifies it in your psyche. And then the

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and we just looked up in the sky at our

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home in Desert Hot Springs and saw a white light

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in the sky. Again, just a white light, no air

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couldn't have been in one of our aircraft.

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just angular turns like a V turn at full speed,

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and then shot away again at this ludicrous speed I

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oblong shaped to me the way it looked, and it

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was again once again very silent, and it was you know,

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first to your do you try and think, well, maybe

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it's a drone, or it's or whatnot, But it was

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absolutely to me that was for me, that was the

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most astonishing one that I that I have seen.

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Speaker 5: Personally, displaying those characteristics that only a UFO can, you know,

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the hypersonic speeds and angular turns that that would we

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can't do anytime we turn any one of our aircraft

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has to sort of bank around in a U turn.

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body and even the machinery in our current technology, it's

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of southern California, which is purely close to let's say

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Speaker 3: Of what that is, it's near Los Angeles as a

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Speaker 1: Anyways, the first one I ever saw was again it

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was a nighttime and it was a large orange orb

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miles away, but very large, and it was moving in

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a direction from south to north, and it was so

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two thousand and six, and we saw again this bright

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white light that was making wild angular turns and then stopping,

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and saw this silvery silver object that was just hovering

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in the sky. And I happened to be tuned into

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the radio station in one, seven seven and Gary Danielle

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the host is saying, hey, are you guys seeing this

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UFO in the sky. So that was a that was

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a mass siding and it was it was not a bland,

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but wasn't an airplane. So that was interesting to be

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involved in a in a mass siding. And the other

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two Leslie already spoke about. So those are the five

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that I have seen and she's seen too. Now as

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far as my experiences from a family standpoint, my family

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has As I grew up with a kid, a lot

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of this stuff for me was considered to be okay.

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supposed to be a tall black man who wearing a

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tunists from Tunisia that we've been seeing off and on

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for about three generations. My parents grew up in Oldham

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and Manchester. They grew up as kids during World War Two,

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being born in nineteen thirty two and nineteen thirty three,

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so they saw a lot of stuff. My grandmother was

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a spiritualist at one point that did automatic writing and

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table levitations and things such as that. And my mom

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and this writing stuff down that there's no way that

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she should have had any access to that knowledge. So

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and there was a lot of weird things that would happen.

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or memory was waking up on several different occasions in

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my bed and there'd be this little creature that be

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jumping on my stomach and my chest just cannot playfully

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having fun with me.

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Speaker 3: But it was invisible.

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Speaker 1: But it was invisible. Now, as far as experiences with

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like the fourth kind, I have one that I haven't

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had explained to me. This happened to me when I

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was eighteen years of age, still living in Woodland Hills, California.

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I was working as a cabinet maker with my dad,

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and my sister was living with us. She was a

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born again Christian at the time. Now, I just like

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to go into detail as a monologue because it might

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help to put some clarity as far as what was

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going on in my life. I was beginning to study

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taichi and I was working as a cabinet maker. Anyway.

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to sleep in my work clothes from the day before,

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the morning. It was pitch black. It was on the sofa,

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sofa in the living room, and I looked at my

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piano to the right. Because I'm a pianist and an accordionist,

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I'm very musically good in that way. And I was

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thinking about what I was wanting to compose that day.

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the other room, and I was awake. I wasn't you know,

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in a dream state. And from behind me, from the

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front door, which is about thirty feet away, is a

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being of blue white light about six to seven feet tall.

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moved very quickly, as if it was floating upright instead

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of walking, and the whole room behind me was filled

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with intense blue white light. When it got to me

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in about a second second and a half, it's stopped

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by my right side. The right side of my body

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became neutralized, or I call paralyzed. It's basically like taking

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a knife down from my head down to my toes.

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The right side of my body. I could not move. Now,

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it wasn't painful, and I didn't necessarily feel it being ominous.

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This being a blue white lights bent down towards my

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right ear and set in a whisper heisty, and I

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was thinking, being as a kid, I was thinking this was, Oh,

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I'm going to meet the family spirit title Gleglely, and

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I was full fifty to fifty. I was scared because

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I couldn't move, but I was excited and I just

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stayed there. I couldn't move, and I don't know whether

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it lasted for fifteen seconds or a minute, but it

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eventually went back the same direction that came went out

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the front door. I got up and I told my

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dad about it, who had also been having strange things

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happened to him, and we thought about it, had our breakfast,

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went out to work. Lunchtime comes around. I'm getting hungry.

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of my out of my pocket. So I reached into

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my right hand side pocket, pulled out a bunch of coins,

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and all the coins are magnetized. All the coins are

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I could pick up the coins for the coins and

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things such as that there's which is just impossible. US

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coins are designed not to be magnetic. And my dad

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and I looked at you. Jo says, well, you know what,

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what the heck is this? The only mistake I made

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was one event. The night before that I forgot. I

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was sleeping in my bunk bed and I was awakened

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by a sound that went and yeah, weird whizz whizzing sound.

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the hallway a little bit, and I couldn't see anything.

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back to sleep, and then the bed started moving from

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the foot of the bed. It felt like somebody had

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pushed it twice. I thought, well, maybe it's like a

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mini earthquake like we get, you know, in southern California.

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and it pushed a little harder always as if somebody

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was pushing with the palms of their hands from the

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base of the bed. And then it happened the third time,

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even more, even with more force. And then the fourth

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time I got a tap on my right shoulder three times,

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just as if a human being or a being with

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an index finger would tap you three times on the shoulder.

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And at this point I was getting really annoyed, and

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I rolled over really quickly and said, what you know,

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mean anything per se. During that same time, my dad

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was awakened about two or three o'clock in the morning,

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and he always kept his bedroom door open, as did I,

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and he awoke and saw this wall of blue white

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light outside of my of my bedroom and going into

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my bedroom, and he was going to get up, and

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he heard a voice and they said, say, go back

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to sleep, Jeffrey. Everything's fine, He'll be okay, just go

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back to sleep. By the way, my Jeffrey is the

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British spelling of Jeffrey the geo f frui that might

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be of interest to some people. And the other one

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which my sister, my father, and myself all experienced together

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happened at nine point thirty at night around the same

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time period. My dad heard it first. He heard the

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silver bell being rung inside the inside the wall by

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the by our fireplace, and he came into my room said, Steven,

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am I hearing things coming. I want you to listen

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to this. And I came in and sure enough, it

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was in a in a two by four wall. It

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sounded exactly like a silver bell being wrung. And then

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we got my sister again, who was born again Christian

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at the time, didn't want to have anything to do

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with this stuff. She came in and she heard exactly

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the same thing. It kept on going on. We banged

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on the wall and tried to make reasoning or excuses

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like it's an animal or something like that, but it

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was absolutely a silver bell. And these are all things

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that There are many many other things I can go

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on about about being contacted at different times, and it's.

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Speaker 3: Very common in his family. His brother Philip, his younger

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brother Philip, related several.

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Speaker 5: Experiences to me, and a lot of this sounds like

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it is a haunting instead of an alien experience, except

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that one time Philip did see a gray alien in

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his room and then he blacked out and had a

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large chunk of missing time afterwards. There's a lot of

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missing time incidents in Stephen's history as well. Tell him

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about that time you were walking down the hallway.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I was about eight years old and I was

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sleeping on the top of the bunk bed at the time.

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I just we had just recently gotten the bunk bed.

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My brother was on the bottom, and I heard noises

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in the house that didn't sound right, and I got

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out of the bunk bed and I was walking down

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the hallway and I know, always waked because I could

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feel my heart pounding, and I was really nervous because

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it was for me. It was scary because it wasn't

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my parents. I didn't know what it was. And I

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got about halfway down the hallway and then I just

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blank out. And the next thing I remember, a few

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hours later, I'm back in my bunk bed on top sleeping,

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and I have no memory at all of you know,

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what was at the bottom of the hallway, what was

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at the end of the hallway, and my getting back

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into bed, and I know I wasn't sleepwalking.

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Speaker 5: And we tried to have him do hypnotic regression to

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remember what happened walking down that hallway and what happened next,

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But we haven't been able to break through the block

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in his psyche.

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Speaker 1: And I personally believe in angels and protectors, especially because

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what happened to me when I was thirty one years

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old on April Fool's Day of all things, when I

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was swimming in the Pacific Ocean Nicholas Canyon Beach, I

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decided to go bodysurfing, and I foolishly went out too

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far with a bunch of guys, and you know, the

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Pacific Ocean is pretty darn cold, and I got kind

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of out there and the guy started coming in and said, well,

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I better come into And I was swimming into a

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riptide that I didn't realize. And I hadn't been swimming

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for quite a while, so even though I had been

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a good swimmer, I wasn't in shape. So I'm swimming

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and I'm not getting anywhere, and all of a sudden,

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my arms become feeling like they're lead You're cold, and

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I just can't move them anymore. And I said, oh no,

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I'm in real trouble. So I spot a lifeguard one

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of the lifeguard towers he was flirting with three girls.

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And I yelled, you know once and I yelled twice,

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and the third time I yelled as hard as I

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could and was able to raise one arm above my head.

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And then I went down and I knew I was

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dead because I was at least about one hundred feet

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out and he was on the beach by the tower.

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And I started to see the lights, you know, the

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white light, and I started getting this warm feeling coming

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over myself, like, oh, this isn't going to be too bad.

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I'm going to I'm going to die. There's no way

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this guy and in two seconds can make that distance.

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And sure enough, even with the tide, even with the

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tide moving, this hand reached down and grabbed me. I

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was about six feet five s feet under and grabbed

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my right arm and pulled me up. He put me

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in the position where they brother rescue people, where they

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put you on your back and put their arm around

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your neck and they said, just relax, I got you.

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And he pulled me back onto the beach and my

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arm still could barely move, and my wife at the

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time was less than sympathetic, and he said, are you okay?

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But you was not happy that I went body surfing

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and I turned to look to thank the lifeguard, and

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the lifeguard wasn't there. They said, what lifeguard? You know,

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it was one of these things like you know who.

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So it was quite strange. But I absolutely know from

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first hand experience that unusual things do occur, especially those

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coins being magnetized. I have tried, I have tried and

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tried to magnetize points since that thing that since that experience,

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and for me that that's direct evidence, especially being it

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as it being manifesting as a blue white being. Now

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there's one other experience that I did not put in

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our book, but it happened when I was twenty three

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and at the time I was studying and practicing tai

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Chi twan all the time. I taught up for twenty

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three years in addition to that, but I was reading

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a book on Para Mahan's and Yogananda's autobiography over Yogi.

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And this was Christmas December twenty sixth of nineteen eighty

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nineteen eighty two. I went, I was sleeping on my

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back on the floor at that time in my life.

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So I went to sleep around about eleven thirty and

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I woke up about four forty five in the morning.

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I know it was four forty five because I looked

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at the VCR clock and I thought my body felt extremely,

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extremely relaxed, not sleep paralysis, because I was fully awake,

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but I felt almost like glued to the floor, but awake.

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And I thought about God's love, and I have no

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idea why I did, but I just thought about God's

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love one single thought, and it was as if my

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heart and my brain smiled at the same time. I

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felt this smile come over me, and as if two

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points came together from my heart to my head and

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from what seemed like a billion miles away. In an instant,

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an inverted pyramid of blue white light hit me right

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in my third eye, and my body was in case

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in this cocoon of blue white light energy. I was

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cocooned in this blue white light, and it was the

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most incredible feeling of perfection I've ever had in my life.

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I felt in an instant, I knew why the Yogis

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sit in their lotus stances for eight to ten hours

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a day with smiles on their faces, because they talked

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about experiencing the universal love and universal energy. And I

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just enjoyed it for the time that at last I

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told my parents about it. And at that point I

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was thinking, well, maybe I should move to Tibet, or

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should I help my family, my brother and my sister

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get through school. And I chose to help that. Plus

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I also still had military duty obligations, So I know

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these things exist. I've had direct experience, and that's why

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one of the reasons why we wanted to write the

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book and share what we know as being truth.

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Speaker 5: And poor Philip, he Stephen's brother, he grew up affected

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by this. In our opinion, he did not grow up

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a normal human being. He became a hermit like he

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became a miser, and later in life he seemed to

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back away from humanity altogether and never almost never left

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the house. And he he built a house out in

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the forest with a large deck on it, and he

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was pestered by an orb.

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Speaker 3: This round white orb.

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Speaker 5: About eight inches in diameter would float up and down

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his deck. And then one night he went outside and

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was looking at it, and it rushed him. It rushed

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towards him and passed through his body at his neckline

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and went out the back of his body about there.

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And then I was talking to him the very next day,

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and he told me about this experience, and I looked

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on his back, and sure enough there was a bruise

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at the top of his back, at the bottom of

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his neck, right where the thing had gone through him.

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And poor Philip was deeply affected by this for his

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whole life, culminating in a horror at the end of

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his life where he shot his mother and his two

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cats and then himself and ended his life that way.

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Quite the tragedy happened in the twenty seventeen and so,

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unfortunately Philip can't speak for himself anymore.

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Speaker 3: We have to speak for him.

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Speaker 1: My brother would. When he was young, I'd say, probably

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between the age of eight and thirteen. For a good

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portion of that time, he was so scared of what

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he called the little men that would show up in

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our room that he started to sleep in the closet.

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And so for at least a couple of years he

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was sleeping in the closet. And my brother was a

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brilliant man. He taught calculus for fun at at a

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college level, and he was also a draftsman and an engineer,

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and he was quite good in that area, quite quite gifted,

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and so but I would.

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Speaker 5: Say emotionally he was. It's like the emotional side of

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his personality had was atrophy or damaged.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how else to put it exactly.

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Speaker 1: So that's the nuts and bolts, but I think we

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could share that's pertinent at this point.

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Speaker 5: Yes, a lot of Stephen and his family all have

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these missing time experiences. In our research, we find that

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that is the signature stamp for alien abduction. There's big

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chunks of missing time where you're wide awake in the

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evening and the next thing you know, it's ten in

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the morning.

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Speaker 4: The next morning, you know, you often find when people

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DevD these these UFO experiences, these aiding encounters you do

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find very very often in my guess where there's paranormal

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activity and these other things which are going on, which

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would suggest that they are connected in some way.

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Speaker 5: Yes, if Philip hadn't seen the gray alien in his room,

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I don't know if I would have attributed all this

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to an alien presence. I would have said, maybe it's

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a haunting or something like that. But once he spotted the.

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Speaker 3: Gray alien in the room, that told us who is

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doing this? What's going on?

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Speaker 1: As a side note, my uncle on my Okay. My

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uncle was married to my mother's older sister, so not

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direct bloodline at all. But he was in the RAF

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just after the Big War WW two and he was

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stationed in Salon at the time, and he was awakened

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about midnight, one o'clock in the morning by this tall being,

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this tall man again looked like a tall black man

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dressed in a fez, and he told him. He woke

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my uncle Douglas up and said, you need to get

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out now. And he didn't know what to think, but

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he'd heard about these family spirit guide old Glegly and

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he did what he was supposed to do. So he

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got up, got out of his cot and got went

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to the galley or whatever it was. And a raid

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came through of some of the of the force that

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they were fighting against, and several of the people that

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00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:08,559
were in their cots were killed. And so my uncle

482
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,359
Douglas has had and he studied things like Uri Geller

483
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,359
And I was very close with my uncle, and he

484
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,240
just recently died, but he was again he grew up

485
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,359
in Great Britain and very very uh, he's very accomplished

486
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,400
when it came to things like banking and real estate

487
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,960
and things like that he was a great great man

488
00:28:28,079 --> 00:28:31,519
and very very down to earth, very no nonsense like

489
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:32,640
you know, like the Brits.

490
00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 5: Oh I wanted to tell them too about Stephen broke

491
00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:37,640
his shoulder.

492
00:28:38,039 --> 00:28:38,839
Speaker 3: What year was that?

493
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:43,599
Speaker 1: Oh, that was twenty thirteen September twenty sixth Yeah, he had.

494
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,039
Speaker 5: A terrible fall and broke his shoulder and scapula in

495
00:28:47,319 --> 00:28:51,799
seven places. And they went in for an X ray,

496
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,839
of course, and then sure enough on the X ray

497
00:28:54,559 --> 00:28:59,160
we spotted a tiny little looked like a hunkhum a

498
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,359
little elliptical piece of metal inside his shoulder. And then

499
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,839
the doctor performed the surgery to repair his shoulder, and

500
00:29:08,119 --> 00:29:12,039
the X rays after that show it has gone. So

501
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,039
we think that the doctor, I don't know, while he

502
00:29:14,119 --> 00:29:16,920
was doing the surgery, pulled it out and so what

503
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,519
the heck is this and tossed.

504
00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: Head the piece of metal. It was oblong, and the

505
00:29:22,079 --> 00:29:24,079
radiologist didn't know what to make of it because it

506
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,240
was in my deltoid. It was nowhere close to where

507
00:29:27,319 --> 00:29:30,079
the fracturing had happened. It was the worst part of

508
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,799
my fall, which happened on the twenty nine Palms Military

509
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,480
base in twenty nine Palms, the marine base was that

510
00:29:36,759 --> 00:29:39,920
I ripped all four of my rotator cuffs and dislocated

511
00:29:40,079 --> 00:29:43,960
and did some fracturing. Was quite the bad fall of

512
00:29:44,039 --> 00:29:47,759
the glenoid cavity of the shoulder. But this one single

513
00:29:47,799 --> 00:29:51,240
piece that was in an area that had nothing to

514
00:29:51,359 --> 00:29:54,880
do with where the fracturing occurred. The radiologists didn't know

515
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,880
what to think of it, and at that time we

516
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,759
weren't involved in writing a book.

517
00:29:58,640 --> 00:29:59,279
Speaker 3: Right, we didn't.

518
00:29:59,319 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 5: And then it was later that we realized that this

519
00:30:01,839 --> 00:30:04,759
is probably one of these little tracking devices that they're

520
00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:05,519
putting in people.

521
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, almost every time that I've been approached by these beings,

522
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,160
they always approached me from my right side, and especially

523
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,359
when I got tapped three times on my right side

524
00:30:14,359 --> 00:30:17,200
when I was again I was eighteen. It's just interesting

525
00:30:17,319 --> 00:30:20,519
that it's you know, as far as my memory is

526
00:30:20,599 --> 00:30:23,079
that it was a very very short term experience, but

527
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,440
I can't really tell you how long it was, but

528
00:30:25,759 --> 00:30:28,799
it's always my right side. And that was interestingly where

529
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,599
that metal piece of metal that was about an inch

530
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:36,480
below the skin was seen in the deltoid region by

531
00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:37,519
the radiologists.

532
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 5: And Stephen is still experiencing stuff like this. It tends

533
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:47,039
to be in his dreams more, but also in that

534
00:30:47,359 --> 00:30:52,119
waking state, halfway in between fully awake and asleep. He'll

535
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,799
wake up and look around the room and see a

536
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,680
being in the room, a dark being with golden eyes,

537
00:30:58,079 --> 00:31:00,920
or it seems like that. It's just an over It's

538
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:01,599
still going on.

539
00:31:02,079 --> 00:31:05,519
Speaker 1: Wherever we remove, they follow us. So it's not just

540
00:31:05,599 --> 00:31:08,200
the haunting of a certain place or a certain building.

541
00:31:09,039 --> 00:31:12,519
This has been following me around matter whether I'm in Sonora, California,

542
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,079
or a palm desert or bomb Springs or wood the hills.

543
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:17,559
This has just been following me.

544
00:31:17,799 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 3: Yep. And I'll testify to that. And I wonder have

545
00:31:22,039 --> 00:31:22,640
I been taken?

546
00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 5: I don't think so, but I've read many many in

547
00:31:26,279 --> 00:31:30,480
an account where abduction victims are taken in out of

548
00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:33,279
the bed right next to their sleeping spouse, who never

549
00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:35,279
wake up and are never aware of it.

550
00:31:43,119 --> 00:31:46,599
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557
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Speaker 4: And Leslie, before you and Stephen got together, how did

558
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,599
you feel about the subject beforehand.

559
00:32:23,559 --> 00:32:24,079
Speaker 3: I don't know.

560
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,359
Speaker 5: I had an opinion until I became an adult and

561
00:32:27,559 --> 00:32:32,759
started catching the news about it. And when I met Steven,

562
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,160
he was a fan of the Ancient Aliens program, and

563
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,359
I started watching that with him, and that's a real

564
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,200
eye opener that program. You start to realize there's a

565
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,680
lot going on behind the scenes that the average human

566
00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:45,680
just doesn't know about.

567
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,119
Speaker 1: We actually met in nineteen ninety three, so we've been

568
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,960
together for quite a while, way before Ancient Aliens was

569
00:32:53,119 --> 00:32:56,680
even a program. But we didn't you know, I was

570
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,680
well into my career and Wellsie was into her career

571
00:32:59,799 --> 00:33:01,720
to so we didn't talk about it too much, but

572
00:33:01,839 --> 00:33:04,519
we did talk about it. And at that time, Leslie,

573
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,559
you know, didn't really know whether she believed me, of course,

574
00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:12,200
because she loves me, but she wasn't, you know, one

575
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:17,039
hundred percent sure until she saw her first you know, UFO,

576
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,519
and also started to have some strange things happened to

577
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,519
her too. We we took some classes for about two

578
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,880
years and a call a called Gnosis, and we did

579
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,720
a lot of specific chanting, different type of chanting techniques

580
00:33:31,759 --> 00:33:34,480
that were designed to open up the seven different chakras.

581
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,640
And then she started to experience clare audience and a

582
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,000
lot of these things with the aliens started to come

583
00:33:42,119 --> 00:33:45,640
back to me and very kind of a negative and saying, oh,

584
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,279
don't want to go down this path, kind of menacing

585
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:50,480
for her. She learned how to asktro project and she

586
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,440
was having fun. For me, it was it was very

587
00:33:53,599 --> 00:33:55,160
it was very menacing and scary.

588
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 3: Yes they were.

589
00:33:56,039 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 5: It's like they were just on the other side of

590
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,400
the curtain waiting for him. And every time he would

591
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,759
ask to project, he would be plagued by trouble from

592
00:34:04,119 --> 00:34:09,159
beings that were harassing him. And it's in a terrible imposition, really,

593
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:13,360
I mean, he's it interferes with his spiritual development and.

594
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:15,599
Speaker 3: His happiness.

595
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:20,599
Speaker 5: People I call the abduction phenomenon, I call it victimized.

596
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,199
They're being victimized by this phenomenon.

597
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 3: And some people say, well, why do you call it that,

598
00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:29,000
And I said, they're kidnapping you. They kidnap you, take

599
00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:32,960
you and then take samples they're the samples they want

600
00:34:33,039 --> 00:34:36,320
from you. This is a terrible violation and.

601
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 5: People are psychologically damaged for many, many years. I don't

602
00:34:41,039 --> 00:34:43,320
know if Philip would still have killed his mother and

603
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:47,000
himself if this hadn't been happening to him, but I'm

604
00:34:47,039 --> 00:34:47,920
sure it didn't help.

605
00:34:49,039 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 1: And what we found with our research, which I found

606
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,280
to be kind of interesting, is the correlation between the

607
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,920
alien abduction phenomenon and vampirism.

608
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 5: Yes, when you think about it, I think this is

609
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,079
where the vampire legends come from, because we think that

610
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,960
these beings have been victimizing the human race for thousands

611
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:12,719
of years. But you think about it, what can the

612
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:18,079
vampire do. He can paralyze you, and he comes for

613
00:35:18,199 --> 00:35:21,360
a sample DNA sample in the form of blood.

614
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,159
Speaker 1: He could also change shape. He's very powerful and very

615
00:35:25,199 --> 00:35:25,800
long lived.

616
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, immortal. And they all always come at night,

617
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:32,199
never during the day.

618
00:35:32,639 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: And their eyes are large, and of course our eyes

619
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,920
are the way that they paralyze.

620
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:41,599
Speaker 5: And there's a sexual component too. Vampires are sexy, at

621
00:35:41,679 --> 00:35:45,800
least the way we portray them in Hollywood, and the

622
00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:50,239
succubus and incubus myths as well. We think these may

623
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,159
also be part of it because one of the things

624
00:35:52,199 --> 00:35:55,440
we know about the abduction phenomenon is there this strange

625
00:35:55,559 --> 00:35:59,840
breeding program that they're doing. They're taking fetuses. First, they

626
00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:03,679
pregnate the woman with some hybrid creature, then four months

627
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:04,920
later they take the fetus.

628
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: We also find it very interesting about the phenomena of colmutilations.

629
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,760
They also xanguinite the cow. They take all the blood,

630
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,760
and they take only certain organs and certain parts of

631
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:22,000
the body and the sky facing eye, and it's always

632
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,119
always the sky facing eye and the genitals and reproductive

633
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,840
tissue and the tongue. We talk about it in our book.

634
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,239
We think it's a necessity. You're doing it not for

635
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,840
research and development, it's for a specific need.

636
00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 5: That's one thing we discovered in our research is that

637
00:36:38,519 --> 00:36:42,599
the UFO theories we're not lining up with what little

638
00:36:42,679 --> 00:36:46,639
facts we had. The theory say that, oh, the aliens

639
00:36:46,679 --> 00:36:49,360
are abducting us because they're curious about us. It's just

640
00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:53,599
scientific curiosity. But when you look at the actual phenomenon,

641
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,559
that isn't what what's happening. They're not taking samples from

642
00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:00,559
a bunch of different people. They frequently take the person

643
00:37:00,679 --> 00:37:03,440
again and again and again through their lives. And then

644
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,599
they'll start taking their children and their grandchildren. It's like

645
00:37:06,639 --> 00:37:09,400
they find a particular strain of DNA that interests them

646
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,880
and they keep taking it again and again and again.

647
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,000
The analogy I make in the book is that it's

648
00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:18,199
like a cow out, a farmer's cow out in the field.

649
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,239
He takes it into the barn, removes the milk, and

650
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,519
then puts it back out into the field to generate

651
00:37:23,639 --> 00:37:26,400
more milk. And I think that is what's going on

652
00:37:26,559 --> 00:37:30,599
with the alien abduction phenomenon. They want this material, they

653
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:36,440
need genetic material. And also the phenomenon the abduction phenomenon

654
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,840
is ninety five or about ninety.

655
00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 3: Five percent Caucasian.

656
00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 5: They're particularly interested in Caucasian DNA again, and we only

657
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:51,159
make up eighteen percent of the population, So what's this

658
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,480
particular interest in specifically Caucasian DNA? And they take a

659
00:37:55,519 --> 00:37:59,880
smattering of everybody else And maybe that is the scientific curiosity,

660
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,960
But this taking of Caucasians again and again and again

661
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,239
through their whole lives, to me, it sounds more like

662
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:07,960
they're harvesting a product.

663
00:38:08,119 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 3: I was going to ask Nick.

664
00:38:09,639 --> 00:38:14,519
Speaker 5: In our research, it seems like families with psychic abilities

665
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,599
are also targeted more. Have you found that to be

666
00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:18,800
the case in your research.

667
00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:21,599
Speaker 4: It is something that is very common going over all.

668
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,239
You know, all the guests I have had on this

669
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,480
show and all the people I've worked with over the years.

670
00:38:26,159 --> 00:38:29,559
It's a very wide spectrum. I have people which have

671
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,199
very positive experiences, they enjoy it, they welcome it, they

672
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,599
want to make this connection. And then at the very

673
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,760
end of that spectrum, I've got people which have very

674
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:42,800
traumatic experiences, very difficult, troublesome which can have a very

675
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,360
deep emotional impact on the individual.

676
00:38:45,519 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 3: I can only imagine it must be terribly scarring.

677
00:38:48,199 --> 00:38:51,760
Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely, And you often do find that people have

678
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,719
these experiences. They do have this in their family history.

679
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,840
You know, they do have occasions of psychicbility or or

680
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:00,880
some kind of spiritual connection.

681
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,599
Speaker 3: It's definitely the case in Steven's family, right, honey. The

682
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,000
automatic writing.

683
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:09,119
Speaker 1: And well, yes, just two months ago I was decided

684
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,159
I want to try and confront these beings. So I

685
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,760
practice a technique when as if like when when you're

686
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,320
in your dream. I dream every night, and my dreams

687
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,400
are are very very vivid. They have you know, all

688
00:39:22,519 --> 00:39:27,639
the touch, the sense, the audio, the talking and whatever

689
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,639
interacting with different beings, and I go to different places,

690
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,800
and if I'm doing something, if I'm alert enough in

691
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,760
my dream, I will force myself to look at my

692
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,599
palms in my hand. I'll say, this is a dream,

693
00:39:40,159 --> 00:39:42,960
and so what I'll do, I will or I'm aster projecting,

694
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,840
I'll look at my palms and then I can make

695
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,880
the dream disappear. Just two months ago, I did that

696
00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:50,679
and I was I was back in my room where

697
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,719
I sleep, and there was this being there once again,

698
00:39:55,039 --> 00:39:58,079
this one tall and kind of heavy set with the

699
00:39:58,159 --> 00:40:00,599
golden eyes. And I said, what what do you want

700
00:40:00,679 --> 00:40:02,800
from me? What do you want from me? And it

701
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,800
grabbed my arm and it kind of pushed on me

702
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,519
and I couldn't get an answer out of it. But

703
00:40:08,639 --> 00:40:12,480
I did confront confronted. As of a couple of months ago,

704
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,880
I've had other things happened to were fact one that

705
00:40:17,079 --> 00:40:19,719
happened that again. I was like twenty three or twenty four,

706
00:40:20,639 --> 00:40:23,320
and this was remember that little triangular being Leslie I

707
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,480
told you about. Yes, I say again, I was still

708
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,599
in the military, and I liked sleeping on the floor.

709
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,719
I was very good shape and very skinny, and I

710
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,559
just liked sleeping on the floor and I woke up

711
00:40:34,599 --> 00:40:37,880
about five six o'clock in the morning, and the light

712
00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:41,840
was on in the room, a little light, and I

713
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,559
looked to my right and up by the ceiling beam

714
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,800
was this little triangular headed being about maybe a foot

715
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,000
and a half in height, kind of squarish, and it

716
00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:55,079
was kind of shimmery, and it noticed that I noticed it,

717
00:40:55,199 --> 00:40:58,039
and it floated down to my right side and it

718
00:40:58,159 --> 00:41:01,239
said to me in a very deep tone voice, he said,

719
00:41:01,679 --> 00:41:03,719
do you want me to help you get out of

720
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,199
your body? And I looked at it, and I knew

721
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:11,119
intuitively that I couldn't show any fear. So I felt

722
00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:14,199
this little tinkling of anxiety in my below my belly,

723
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,440
and I said to it, you can help me, but

724
00:41:16,559 --> 00:41:20,440
you cannot possess me. And again, I don't know, it

725
00:41:20,559 --> 00:41:23,159
was just instinctual, and he grabbed my arm and it

726
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,000
started to go back up into up into the air,

727
00:41:26,519 --> 00:41:30,000
and it kind of let out the scream, like like

728
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:33,800
a stream of frustration, and then it left. And then

729
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,599
I got up after that, and my dad said, no,

730
00:41:36,679 --> 00:41:38,639
who were you talking to? You know?

731
00:41:39,079 --> 00:41:40,639
Speaker 3: Oh, the triangular.

732
00:41:42,639 --> 00:41:45,639
Speaker 1: It was again, it's like you say, my mom told

733
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,000
told me about things that have happened to her that

734
00:41:48,079 --> 00:41:51,159
were similar to that, And like I said, I just

735
00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:54,599
really didn't think that much of it, you know, especially

736
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,840
growing up so interesting.

737
00:41:57,119 --> 00:42:00,639
Speaker 4: I mean, on on here, we have all different accounts,

738
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:05,440
all different experiences. I'll bet UFOs of all shapes and sizes,

739
00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:06,880
and I have a lot of accounts on here which

740
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:11,159
are very peculiar, very pecuted, to say the least. It's

741
00:42:11,199 --> 00:42:14,440
important for people to, you know, when they share their experiences,

742
00:42:14,519 --> 00:42:17,880
no matter how strange and excused upon an alien it

743
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,360
feels to them. You know, it's important to share these

744
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,800
accounts because it's a very difficult subject. You know, it

745
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,000
can be a very confused and subject. There's so many

746
00:42:25,039 --> 00:42:27,840
different angles to it, so many different pieces which you're

747
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,000
all intertwined.

748
00:42:29,199 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, sometimes this is one and a half foot tall

749
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,599
little being, and then but the blue white being is

750
00:42:34,639 --> 00:42:39,960
seven feet tall, and sometimes you see them as gray aliens.

751
00:42:40,039 --> 00:42:41,039
Sometimes there are these.

752
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:46,639
Speaker 3: Blue white light beings. Is this all something that.

753
00:42:48,519 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 8: We know?

754
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,199
Speaker 5: That they twist the memories of the people they abduct,

755
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:57,039
And I think that's what's going on with Stephen's. He

756
00:42:57,119 --> 00:43:01,159
doesn't remember being on a cold lab with a bunch

757
00:43:01,199 --> 00:43:03,920
of aliens around him. But I think if he ever

758
00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:07,280
were able to regress and break through that mental block

759
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,679
that they've placed in him, that that's exactly what he

760
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:11,199
would see.

761
00:43:12,159 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: Oh, I neglected to mention another one that happened to me.

762
00:43:16,079 --> 00:43:19,800
I was thirty one. I was an acupuncturs at the

763
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,159
time with my ex wife, and she's some one of

764
00:43:23,199 --> 00:43:24,760
these type of people I'd have to get up at

765
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,760
five thirty in the morning to get herself ready to

766
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,119
go to school as a school teacher. And I was

767
00:43:29,159 --> 00:43:32,000
still in bed and we had a round the second

768
00:43:32,119 --> 00:43:34,880
story of a of a condo and I was going

769
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,400
back to sleep, and I heard the exact sound of

770
00:43:37,519 --> 00:43:42,599
somebody starting up a Harley Davidson. And the court that

771
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,519
was just outside of our window, down by the court

772
00:43:45,559 --> 00:43:48,440
by the pool was all cement, and it was this

773
00:43:48,679 --> 00:43:53,599
was an enclosed, you know, typical enclosed condominium complex. And

774
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,800
I said to myself, who the heck at you? Now,

775
00:43:57,159 --> 00:43:59,559
five point thirty six o'clock in the morning is revving

776
00:43:59,639 --> 00:44:02,440
up a Harley Davidson. And I got out of bed

777
00:44:03,039 --> 00:44:06,360
to look through the window and the sound stopped that

778
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,360
there was nothing there. So I went back to bed.

779
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,960
I was going back to sleep, and it started up

780
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,360
again the same sound of a Harley Davidson, and I

781
00:44:14,519 --> 00:44:16,480
was definitely awake because I was going to get out

782
00:44:16,519 --> 00:44:21,719
of bed. And then it sounds crazy, but then all

783
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:26,079
these weird looking beings came into the room, all different

784
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,000
I can't even Some of were clown shaped looking, some

785
00:44:29,199 --> 00:44:33,159
were just animals, and they were like pressing on me,

786
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,480
and they were like dancing around, and I thought, oh

787
00:44:36,519 --> 00:44:40,639
my god, I'm being attacked or I'm going insane. And

788
00:44:41,079 --> 00:44:44,760
my wife was in the kitchen and she was completely

789
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,559
unaware of this, and I in other words, it wasn't

790
00:44:47,639 --> 00:44:50,079
sleep paralysis or you know, people say, oh, it's a

791
00:44:50,159 --> 00:44:53,840
sleep paralysis. To me, it was almost like the veil

792
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,559
between my conscious and subconscious mind got pulled open, the

793
00:44:58,639 --> 00:45:02,719
curtain got pulled open. A lot of the visions whatever

794
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:07,280
that maybe in my subconscious came forward, or there literally

795
00:45:07,519 --> 00:45:09,920
was a being in the room. But the sound of

796
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:15,199
that Harley Davidson was extremely distinct. You can't make you

797
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,199
can't a mistake what a Harley Davidson sounds like. And

798
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:22,159
I got out of bed and I was completely awake.

799
00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:25,440
So again, it wasn't a dream, It wasn't the wasn't

800
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,079
sleep paralysis. What happened after they came, well, I was,

801
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,039
I was physically drained, and I kind of told Gail

802
00:45:32,159 --> 00:45:34,760
about it, but she was getting ready and she just

803
00:45:35,159 --> 00:45:37,559
for school and she just you know, didn't want to

804
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:40,519
hear about it. But yeah, I was. I was literally

805
00:45:40,639 --> 00:45:42,440
shaken for the next few days, and I went to

806
00:45:42,519 --> 00:45:45,519
go see afterwards. I went to go see a psychic

807
00:45:45,679 --> 00:45:48,480
to talk about it, and she really wasn't very much help.

808
00:45:48,519 --> 00:45:52,760
But I was legitimately worried because I was actually afraid

809
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,440
to go to sleep for the next few days because

810
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,440
it was. It was emotionally and physically draining, quite frankly, and.

811
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:05,199
Speaker 5: Serians are so isolating as far as there's no help, No,

812
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,239
there's no one we can go to for help.

813
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 3: How can you help us stop this or you know,

814
00:46:13,159 --> 00:46:14,639
break through the barrier?

815
00:46:15,039 --> 00:46:17,639
Speaker 1: I would I would rather just sit down and talk

816
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,760
to these guys and say, hey, what do you want

817
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,920
from me? You know, can I help? Just you know,

818
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:26,559
don't scare me. All the time I've had I've had

819
00:46:26,599 --> 00:46:29,039
trouble sleeping now for twenty years. I'm lucky if I

820
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:31,280
get three to four hours of sleep a night for

821
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:35,639
at least twenty years, and that's not healthy for anybody.

822
00:46:35,679 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 3: This bizarre dream landscape he wakes from. And I don't dream.

823
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 5: I have fibromyleogen, and we don't frequently, we don't dream.

824
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:48,039
So every morning we wake up and he relates these

825
00:46:48,159 --> 00:46:50,039
incredibly bizarre.

826
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:50,639
Speaker 3: Dreams to me.

827
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,159
Speaker 5: And I can only assume that it has something to

828
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:59,280
do with this phenomenon that his dreams are so strange, and.

829
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,679
Speaker 1: My dreams are extremely vivid, and the frequently I'll go

830
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,960
back to the same place and sometimes meet the same people.

831
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:10,559
And if I if I were to just sit down

832
00:47:10,639 --> 00:47:12,920
and relate my dreams, that would be a whole show

833
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,800
in and of itself. But my dreams are right to

834
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,079
tell other people about them, and they just think, like

835
00:47:18,199 --> 00:47:20,840
they look at me, says that's no way, it's no

836
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,719
way that you did that or saw that. It's you know,

837
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,400
I'm a very creative person myself. I'm a musician, and

838
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,440
I was like a practitioner of Chinese medicine for twenty

839
00:47:30,519 --> 00:47:34,559
years state license here in California and taught taichi for

840
00:47:34,639 --> 00:47:38,039
twenty three years. And you know, I've worn you know,

841
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,119
military hats, and I weren't worn the white collar hats,

842
00:47:41,159 --> 00:47:44,760
so I've you know, I've seen things and done different things,

843
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:49,079
and it's it's still an unanswered question for me.

844
00:47:49,519 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 5: In the theories that we developed doing our research. We

845
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,239
started our research when I saw my first UFO, and

846
00:47:55,679 --> 00:48:00,800
we actually began researching the phenomenon. So I guess about

847
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,000
eighteen years ago. We say twenty, but really I guess

848
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:09,880
it was about eighteen, and we started researching the phenomenon.

849
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 3: More and more.

850
00:48:10,199 --> 00:48:13,639
Speaker 5: And what I'm discovering in my research, in our research,

851
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:19,360
is that these UFOs they're moving in our air space

852
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,079
because I think it's because they live here. I don't

853
00:48:24,079 --> 00:48:27,519
think they're coming from a different star system. I think,

854
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,679
you know, I heard just account after account after account

855
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:36,119
of they come up out of the ocean, they come

856
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,800
up out of lakes, they come out of mountains, they

857
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,800
come out of volcanoes, they come out of a window

858
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:46,280
all open on the side of a mesa, and UFOs

859
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,280
will fly in and out of it. It seems to

860
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:55,079
me that they are here in our airspace traveling horizon,

861
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,199
and frequently the UFOs are seen just traveling horizontally in

862
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,599
our airspace like they're going from one place of our

863
00:49:00,679 --> 00:49:02,159
planet to another place on our pa.

864
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 1: And also to the indigenous Indians such as the Hope

865
00:49:05,159 --> 00:49:09,800
and the Payout and the Navajos, they call the aliens

866
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,480
quote unquote, and it's gone. They're star brothers frequently and

867
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:14,880
oh yeah, we've been seeing these for thousands of years.

868
00:49:15,199 --> 00:49:18,480
There's even stories about how the Calm, the ant people

869
00:49:18,599 --> 00:49:23,320
or the Anazazi led a group of Indians underground to

870
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,679
help them to survive a cataclysm.

871
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,679
Speaker 5: So and then we've you know, the research extended into

872
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:35,360
the like the experiences of Philip Schneider at the Dulce

873
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,639
Air Force Base, the underground base supposed to be a

874
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:43,960
part alien, part military base. The Dulcat papers also came

875
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:48,480
out of that region showing basically that they're here and

876
00:49:48,639 --> 00:49:51,519
that are you. Our government is cooperating with them, in

877
00:49:51,639 --> 00:49:52,239
league with them.

878
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very difficult in that respect. When it comes

879
00:49:55,519 --> 00:49:59,000
to all of these encounters, it would seem that it's

880
00:49:59,079 --> 00:50:02,559
not being oak straight, it's by an outside force. It

881
00:50:02,639 --> 00:50:07,039
definitely does look like there is certainly cooperation in one form.

882
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:11,519
And I don't believe every single account I hear are

883
00:50:11,639 --> 00:50:14,960
always alien abduction. I do think that there is definitely

884
00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:19,440
cause to believe that some of these experiences are deliberately done.

885
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 3: Yes, that's what our research is showing.

886
00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 5: Basically from the Project Blue Book days, it looks like

887
00:50:25,559 --> 00:50:29,360
they made some sort of a deal with them. Okay,

888
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,679
go ahead, you can take the abduction victims you need,

889
00:50:34,039 --> 00:50:37,599
as long as you keep feeding us your technology in

890
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:38,559
dribs and drabs.

891
00:50:39,199 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 1: There is a quite a funny movie called Sneakers. I

892
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,039
don't know, you may have seen it or not, with

893
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,800
Robert Redford and dan Ackroyd, but dan Ackroyd plays the

894
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,039
one that believes like every conspiracy theory out there, and

895
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,480
they're sitting around the table and it says, so I

896
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,599
says to the aliens that hey, take all the cow

897
00:50:57,639 --> 00:51:01,239
lips you want, just give us your technology. And I

898
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,440
always found that to be kind of funny. Is because

899
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,199
there were accounts where where Ike went down to Palm

900
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:11,760
Springs and had there was definitely chrunk of time that

901
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,440
was missing from when he came down the Palm Springs

902
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:15,119
in the fifties.

903
00:51:15,559 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 5: He was supposed to be having some medical procedure which

904
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,760
there was no evidence of later in his life, and.

905
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,119
Speaker 1: There's of course the famous accounts of the UFOs.

906
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 3: He was supposed to have gone to Air Force Edwards

907
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:27,440
Air Force BA.

908
00:51:27,639 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, the idea. They're the you know the famous

909
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,599
accounts in the newspapers at the time of two weekends

910
00:51:33,639 --> 00:51:36,320
in a row where UFOs were just covering over the

911
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,760
over the capitol during the time of Ike.

912
00:51:40,039 --> 00:51:41,199
Speaker 3: Yes, nineteen fifty two.

913
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 5: It's like they were definitely trying to get our attention,

914
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,519
and it was right after that that it stopped. So

915
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,920
we think that they they got their attention, they made

916
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:50,159
contact and met and.

917
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: You looked at the leaps and bounds we've made since

918
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:56,119
World War Two as far as how how quickly technology

919
00:51:56,239 --> 00:52:00,440
has has progressed, and how far we've come in such

920
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:04,039
a short period of time. And yeah, sure we gained

921
00:52:04,079 --> 00:52:06,760
some technology from the Germans, and then we got the

922
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,000
operation the paper Clip where we took the majority of

923
00:52:11,079 --> 00:52:13,960
the of the good scientists like bomb Braun and a

924
00:52:14,039 --> 00:52:17,719
few others. And sure there's there's that too, But we

925
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,559
have come a long way in a short period of time.

926
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 5: Supposedly, the microchip is some of the reverse engineering that

927
00:52:24,559 --> 00:52:26,039
was done in the private sector.

928
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 3: That was another thing they did.

929
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:31,760
Speaker 5: They they approached the private sector to reverse engineer some

930
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:35,440
of this alien technology because the private sector doesn't have

931
00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:38,800
to report, it doesn't have the obligation to report.

932
00:52:39,039 --> 00:52:43,199
Speaker 4: That's all from general course, or isn't it that the microchip?

933
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:47,519
Speaker 1: And I think the Teflon and Helcrow, Well, I've I've

934
00:52:47,559 --> 00:52:51,320
got I've got one that would be fairly interesting for you. Nick.

935
00:52:52,119 --> 00:52:54,760
I went to one of the seminars that Linda Moultenhal

936
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:59,519
did for us that contact in the desert and from

937
00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:03,000
some of the few pieces of the outside of the

938
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,239
alien spacecrafts that they've actually been able to recover that

939
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:10,440
they've vacually done electron microscope examinations of. And this stuff

940
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,760
cannot be made by humans. It's it's amazing. The outer

941
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,360
shield is between two and four hundred microns, which is

942
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,559
about the thickness of a human hair if you're lucky,

943
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,920
and it's made out of pure zinc and magnesium. The

944
00:53:26,679 --> 00:53:30,719
second layer is bismuth pure bismuth about two to four microns,

945
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,679
which is much thinner than a human hair pure bismuth.

946
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:38,039
Then the inner layer is made out of pure aluminum

947
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:42,840
with little nanodots of iridium, which only comes from asteroids.

948
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,760
And they have the samples of this and it looks

949
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:49,519
like like plywood, but you know, but the plywood that

950
00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:52,159
it's like layers, but layer it's just something that we

951
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,679
don't even have with our technology. We can't even touch that,

952
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:59,239
especially getting pure aluminum and pure bismuth and things such

953
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:03,519
as that. So we're coming closer and closer to saying, yes,

954
00:54:03,639 --> 00:54:07,280
these things do exist and they're beyond our technology. And

955
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,679
this was disclosed just at contact in the Desert Bond,

956
00:54:11,039 --> 00:54:12,840
I think was June third of this year.

957
00:54:13,199 --> 00:54:18,760
Speaker 4: Certainly the twenty seventeen public opinion has definitely changed somewhat.

958
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,440
There's a lot of people which have now found interest

959
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,960
in the subjects, you know, when they didn't really before.

960
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, the twenty seventeen event that I think has really

961
00:54:27,679 --> 00:54:32,400
made an enormous change is the release of the three

962
00:54:32,519 --> 00:54:34,880
videos on the story to the New York Times by

963
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:39,159
Luis Alezando, the head of AGYPT. The go Fast, the

964
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:45,960
gimbal and the tic tac videos very compelling and are

965
00:54:46,159 --> 00:54:48,920
everywhere on YouTube, so anybody can see them anytime they want.

966
00:54:49,199 --> 00:54:51,679
And it was right after that the DoD the Department

967
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:56,079
of Defense, you know, for eighty years they just stonewalled

968
00:54:56,119 --> 00:55:01,960
us ufologists. There is this is not happening. It's swamp gas,

969
00:55:02,119 --> 00:55:04,920
it's not real, it's mass hysteria.

970
00:55:04,639 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 3: It's anything except what it is.

971
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:12,320
Speaker 5: And then in twenty seventeen, Luis Alisanda releases those videos

972
00:55:12,440 --> 00:55:17,079
and then the DoD, to our astonishment, confirmed that they

973
00:55:17,119 --> 00:55:21,119
were real. This is really happening, they're saying now, after

974
00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:24,159
eighty years of stole awalling us, they're finally coming clean.

975
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,400
In that one way, they're still saying that they don't

976
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:28,960
know what it is, which of course is a lie.

977
00:55:29,039 --> 00:55:33,599
Since they have crashed spaceships and dead aliens and possibly

978
00:55:33,679 --> 00:55:36,559
some live ones in their possession, we know that they're

979
00:55:36,599 --> 00:55:39,440
still lying to us. But the change in the policy

980
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:43,000
of being willing to admit this is real is an

981
00:55:43,159 --> 00:55:44,000
enormous difference.

982
00:55:44,159 --> 00:55:47,599
Speaker 1: And also changing the name to the conveniently change now

983
00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:50,880
they call them UAPs, right of course, you know, So

984
00:55:51,039 --> 00:55:54,199
that's that's another thing too, to kind of change the subject.

985
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:58,239
In fact, Congress over here in this country, just about

986
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:02,000
a month ago they had hearings on the UFO and

987
00:56:02,039 --> 00:56:06,320
the UAP phenomena, and of course the Department of Defense

988
00:56:06,519 --> 00:56:10,760
still wasn't forthcoming with any with any information. But you know,

989
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,519
the congressman and people are are starting to get a

990
00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:16,440
lot more open about saying now we want to know

991
00:56:16,599 --> 00:56:19,920
and the president doesn't have high enough clearance to get information.

992
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,480
President Clinton tried and tried, said, listen, I tried, but

993
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,960
apparently I don't have the high enough clearance. And it's true.

994
00:56:27,079 --> 00:56:29,599
The president doesn't have high enough clearance, so you can't

995
00:56:29,639 --> 00:56:30,599
get the answers either.

996
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 4: A new package now, they said, People which weren't interested

997
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:38,280
in the subject beforehand are now mostly because they have

998
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,400
governmental people telling them. You know, this is definitely real.

999
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,559
But why the turnaround all of a sudden.

1000
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:48,039
Speaker 5: I think it's because everyone has a video camera in

1001
00:56:48,119 --> 00:56:52,599
their pocket now. It's harder to hide when there's there's

1002
00:56:52,599 --> 00:56:53,920
a camera on every hip.

1003
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is true. I mean I wouldn't one hundred

1004
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:00,360
percent put faith in everything that comes out the time.

1005
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,440
You'll find that when things are put in a press

1006
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,079
conference and they're told they're not always one hundreds inaccurate,

1007
00:57:06,159 --> 00:57:09,519
and it makes you wonder the reasons behind it whenever

1008
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,760
anyone comes out. You know, I'm always a little bit cynical,

1009
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,559
especially if it's from yeah, and from that side.

1010
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I grew up in a very no nonsense family

1011
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:22,559
from wartime England, and you know, always taking things, you know,

1012
00:57:22,639 --> 00:57:26,320
with a grain of salt and just okay, if it

1013
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,639
happens to me, and I have direct experience and I

1014
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:30,880
have more trust in it. But hearing somebody tell me

1015
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,920
some stories I heard from people, I can just say, oh, well,

1016
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,599
what this goes dong to me? Instead of ding.

1017
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 5: In our book, we concentrated on, well, the first chapter

1018
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,119
of a book is it's a kind of a crash

1019
00:57:44,199 --> 00:57:47,400
course on UFO activity in the USA over the last

1020
00:57:47,559 --> 00:57:51,360
eighty years. Because if we wanted to discuss our UFO

1021
00:57:51,519 --> 00:57:54,119
theories with people, we had to make sure they had

1022
00:57:54,159 --> 00:57:56,360
at least a basic knowledge of what's been going on.

1023
00:57:57,199 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 3: So that was the start of the book.

1024
00:57:59,639 --> 00:58:04,679
Speaker 5: But we concentrated on mass sightings. You know, when when

1025
00:58:04,719 --> 00:58:08,599
it's one person, maybe it's a lie, or maybe they're

1026
00:58:08,679 --> 00:58:12,920
crazy or whatever, or they're mis misunderstanding what they're seeing.

1027
00:58:13,519 --> 00:58:16,039
But if three hundred people call into the police saying

1028
00:58:16,079 --> 00:58:19,400
there's a UFO just flew through their backyard, then we're

1029
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:21,400
pretty sure it's a real phenomenon.

1030
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: I like to call it, like referring back to Nick

1031
00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:27,400
what you said earlier about not believing everything that comes out,

1032
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,519
you know, especially with the government. Is it a truth

1033
00:58:30,599 --> 00:58:33,360
sandwich or is it a lie sandwich? Is it a

1034
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:38,320
lie hidden between two slices of truth, or truth hidden

1035
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:42,519
between two slices of a lie. So what type of

1036
00:58:42,599 --> 00:58:43,960
a sandwich are they feeding us?

1037
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:44,159
Speaker 2: You know?

1038
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,719
Speaker 4: So I'm not I'm not saying people, you know, shouldn't

1039
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:49,800
get excited, you know, by everything that's been going on

1040
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,360
over the last few years, to talk about the government side,

1041
00:58:52,519 --> 00:58:55,840
But always have a little bit of caution because this

1042
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,920
is coming from agencies and governments which I have lie.

1043
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:04,159
Speaker 5: They have lied for decades, yep, through their teeth, bold

1044
00:59:04,239 --> 00:59:06,440
face to our faces exactly.

1045
00:59:06,679 --> 00:59:09,239
Speaker 4: So you've got to kind of absorb all the information

1046
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:10,920
and then decide that way.

1047
00:59:11,199 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 5: But since that twenty seventeen release of those videos by Alizondo,

1048
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:19,119
there's been two more reports issued by the DoD and

1049
00:59:19,519 --> 00:59:22,920
I've read them, and they're actually admitting to people getting

1050
00:59:23,679 --> 00:59:25,880
radiation burns from being.

1051
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,119
Speaker 3: Too close to the UFOs.

1052
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 5: They're admitting that weird pregnancies are occurring from the abduction phenomenon.

1053
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,719
They're literally admitting some of the craziest stuff right in

1054
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,239
these reports, and so a few people are reading them

1055
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,039
that nobody knows about it except us, us in the

1056
00:59:42,079 --> 00:59:43,559
little upology community.

1057
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 4: You know, they've said, you know, we don't you know,

1058
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,199
we don't investigate this, we haven't done in the past.

1059
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:50,599
You know, we have no interest. But you know the

1060
00:59:50,679 --> 00:59:53,760
truth is they've always had an interest. Yes, yeah, you know,

1061
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,000
say back in the night, for instance, I used to

1062
00:59:56,079 --> 00:59:59,079
give lectures and I would find that there'd be people

1063
00:59:59,159 --> 01:00:01,159
in the audience, which you know, they didn't belong there.

1064
01:00:01,199 --> 01:00:03,239
They weren't the usual crowd that you get that would

1065
01:00:03,239 --> 01:00:05,840
come to the meetings and the talks and stuff. Really

1066
01:00:06,119 --> 01:00:09,320
there's oh, absolutely, yeah. And you could probably talk to

1067
01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:12,679
one hundred different other researchers if they've had to contact

1068
01:00:12,719 --> 01:00:14,119
with say agency's.

1069
01:00:13,719 --> 01:00:15,039
Speaker 3: We use men in black here.

1070
01:00:15,239 --> 01:00:17,679
Speaker 4: Men in black. There's been several occasions, I guess that

1071
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,039
we've had, we've had that, but there's always been an interest.

1072
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:31,079
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1080
01:01:03,639 --> 01:01:07,360
Speaker 5: In our research, we kept seeing reports about, you know,

1081
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:11,920
there'd be a mass sighting in a town in Middle America, somewhere.

1082
01:01:12,639 --> 01:01:15,679
These men in black would show up and they would

1083
01:01:16,599 --> 01:01:22,119
without any identification, they would grill every single witness, making

1084
01:01:22,159 --> 01:01:25,119
sure they had all of the pertinent data for themselves,

1085
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:28,159
and then they would start their campaign.

1086
01:01:28,599 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 3: They start with ridicule.

1087
01:01:30,119 --> 01:01:36,239
Speaker 5: They start by ridiculing the witnesses to make them feel stupid.

1088
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:37,079
Speaker 3: And laugh at them.

1089
01:01:37,079 --> 01:01:39,559
Speaker 5: They would laugh at them, and if that didn't work,

1090
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:43,719
they would threaten them, threaten their families if they didn't

1091
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:48,599
keep quiet, and if that didn't work, they would retaliate

1092
01:01:48,639 --> 01:01:51,639
in ways like they would get you fired or some

1093
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:55,280
other pressure of some kind. And then we think in

1094
01:01:55,679 --> 01:01:58,480
the fourth case, they would just kill people.

1095
01:01:58,559 --> 01:02:02,159
Speaker 3: Silence you that way. And this was government We believe

1096
01:02:02,199 --> 01:02:05,199
it was government policy. We have this, do you know

1097
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:05,679
about that?

1098
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 5: The Project Blue Book manual that was leaked to a

1099
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:14,760
journalist a long time ago, I forget what year, showing

1100
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:19,679
that their actual this was their plan, show up, get

1101
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:23,000
the information, all the pertinent data for themselves, and then

1102
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:28,760
step by step ridicule, harassment, just you know a blueprint

1103
01:02:29,079 --> 01:02:33,800
for how to handle UFO sightings in a small town.

1104
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 1: What really surprises me, Nick, especially when you when you

1105
01:02:37,519 --> 01:02:39,880
hear about the stories of the men in Black showing

1106
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:45,000
up on navy ships like battleships and like an event

1107
01:02:45,079 --> 01:02:49,039
had just happened, written witnessed by many many sailors and

1108
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:52,840
had taken pictures and whatever and written stuff down. These

1109
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:56,599
guys to show up just within the day, and they'll

1110
01:02:56,639 --> 01:02:59,920
talk to the captain. The captain turns over all responsible

1111
01:03:00,199 --> 01:03:03,400
to these guys, and then they go and they they

1112
01:03:03,559 --> 01:03:07,800
take all all the all the film, all the documentation,

1113
01:03:08,079 --> 01:03:12,000
and frequently have people sign non disclosure agreements sometimes. But

1114
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:15,199
it's amazing the response time. It's if it's as if

1115
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:18,599
there's like a monitoring that goes on all the time,

1116
01:03:19,239 --> 01:03:22,480
or the UFO itself. As these guys saw us, you

1117
01:03:22,599 --> 01:03:27,119
need to respond. But there's this interaction that I just

1118
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:32,559
find fascinating, how quickly they respond to anything that has

1119
01:03:32,599 --> 01:03:34,599
been seen, especially by multiple people.

1120
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,639
Speaker 5: So they care a great deal, and they cared a

1121
01:03:37,719 --> 01:03:41,519
great deal, but then they would have to laugh the

1122
01:03:41,559 --> 01:03:46,199
incident off. So this this ridicule program, that's the reason

1123
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:50,440
that people laugh about it today. They're still influenced by it,

1124
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:54,559
turning the whole phenomenon into some big joke when when

1125
01:03:54,599 --> 01:03:56,719
it's nothing but it's deadly serious.

1126
01:03:57,119 --> 01:04:00,239
Speaker 1: And also, of course, you know, you look at you know,

1127
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:04,400
nineteen thirty eight with War the Worlds, with that whole

1128
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:08,039
program that showed just how xenophobic, especially Americans are. I mean,

1129
01:04:08,119 --> 01:04:10,360
people actually tuned in a little bit late to the

1130
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:13,480
show and they believed that some people killed themselves. They

1131
01:04:13,599 --> 01:04:18,039
certainly reacted in a very xenophobic manner, So.

1132
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 3: That may have given them a clue that we just

1133
01:04:21,559 --> 01:04:23,079
can't handle this kind And you can just.

1134
01:04:23,119 --> 01:04:25,639
Speaker 1: Look at what would happen to the world economies of

1135
01:04:25,679 --> 01:04:28,440
all of a sudden we announced that, hey, these people

1136
01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:31,519
have been living underneath our floorboards for x amount of

1137
01:04:31,559 --> 01:04:35,280
thousands of years and they're more technologically advanced. It would

1138
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,760
certainly upset the stock markets and the flow of money

1139
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:39,960
and goods, and it would it would cause chaos. So

1140
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:44,079
I think your reasons the other was just basically financial reasons.

1141
01:04:44,119 --> 01:04:48,480
Why why they're still saying, oh, no, we there's something

1142
01:04:48,559 --> 01:04:51,239
going on, but ogallige g. We don't know what they

1143
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:52,880
are or who they are, but they don't seem to

1144
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:56,360
be a threat. But yeah, something's going on. But yeah, certainly,

1145
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:58,760
I think a lot of it is too financial.

1146
01:04:59,159 --> 01:05:02,199
Speaker 3: Yes, I call it gosh gee, we admit these things

1147
01:05:02,239 --> 01:05:04,679
are real, but we don't know what they are policy.

1148
01:05:05,079 --> 01:05:07,199
Speaker 4: Indeed, I was actually thinking about it that the awesome

1149
01:05:07,239 --> 01:05:10,760
Welles program the other day, and you know, if that

1150
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,760
came out today, would people react the same. I like

1151
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,719
to believe that people would be interested and wouldn't act

1152
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:19,239
in a crazy way if all this information was just

1153
01:05:19,599 --> 01:05:20,559
just dumped out to us.

1154
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:24,519
Speaker 5: I think we've been sort of Yeah, maybe desensitized is

1155
01:05:24,599 --> 01:05:30,480
the right word. By movies, you know, about aliens and

1156
01:05:31,079 --> 01:05:33,719
shows about aliens. I think it's making I think it

1157
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:37,280
would be quite a different reaction now that people would have.

1158
01:05:37,639 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 4: It's a difficult one. I mean, the last few years,

1159
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:41,519
you know, people have been doing some, you know, some

1160
01:05:41,599 --> 01:05:44,119
pretty crazy stuff, you know. I'm not too too sure.

1161
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:46,039
A lot of this information has come out now and

1162
01:05:46,119 --> 01:05:48,719
people have been very blase about it. For what reason,

1163
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:51,199
I'm not sure. Even though the governments have come out

1164
01:05:51,199 --> 01:05:53,480
and said this, it's not the talk of the town.

1165
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:56,119
It is obviously within the community and people which have

1166
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:59,280
been pulled across of interest to it. But you'd think

1167
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:01,840
it would be everywhere for everyone to be talking about it,

1168
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,440
but they're simply are not. And I think because there's

1169
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:06,320
so much stuff going on in the world at the minute,

1170
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:09,519
it's kind of everything is overshadowing the subject.

1171
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:13,079
Speaker 1: And I think I also I went to like to

1172
01:06:13,559 --> 01:06:16,800
marketing back to Linda Moulton how her hour and a

1173
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:21,800
half talk on disclosure, and Leslie has it right from

1174
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:26,159
the standpoint that I think things are being leaked for

1175
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:30,679
the sake of humanity. You know, we all want to think,

1176
01:06:31,159 --> 01:06:33,760
especially Leslie and I being big Star Trek fans, that

1177
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:36,079
you know that in the future we're part of the

1178
01:06:36,199 --> 01:06:40,320
Federation and where we've gotten away from money being important

1179
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:44,360
and self development and you know, meeting new races.

1180
01:06:44,239 --> 01:06:46,679
Speaker 3: And we're traveling the galaxy now.

1181
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:49,440
Speaker 1: One of the things that were disclosed by Linda multenhow

1182
01:06:49,599 --> 01:06:52,159
she said she met this guy. They went on this

1183
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:54,320
boat so they couldn't be heard, and they talked for

1184
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:59,320
seven hours and he was saying his information that we

1185
01:07:00,199 --> 01:07:04,239
America have been involved since two thousand and three and

1186
01:07:04,519 --> 01:07:08,679
we are we are actively flying around to twenty six

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different solar systems with the tall White Aliens and the

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01:07:12,639 --> 01:07:16,119
Nordics who are our friends. And two of these spaceships

1189
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happened to be named after two of the guys who

1190
01:07:18,159 --> 01:07:22,239
run the original Majestic twelve. And we're in league with

1191
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:24,920
these people, and we've gone to the planet's pission and

1192
01:07:25,079 --> 01:07:29,159
Rigel four and RGIL four is inhabited by the reptiloids.

1193
01:07:29,239 --> 01:07:31,800
And she's saying this with a straight face to about

1194
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,840
five or six hundred people and showing these little graphs

1195
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:38,039
of where pission is, how many light years away it is,

1196
01:07:38,199 --> 01:07:41,960
and really so there are feline beings or reptiloids or

1197
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:45,760
insectoids or humanoids, and some of them like as some

1198
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:48,920
of us, some of them don't. And but mixed in

1199
01:07:49,039 --> 01:07:51,440
with that which she was showing that piece of those

1200
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:54,280
two pieces of metal that we're obviously not man made.

1201
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:57,559
So there's this BS I call it, mixed in with

1202
01:07:57,679 --> 01:08:00,559
the truth, which is this metal that we can't make.

1203
01:08:01,079 --> 01:08:03,719
And just some guy comes forward and talks to you,

1204
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,639
Linda for seven hours and saying that, oh, yeah, we

1205
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:09,880
already are on starship since two thousand and three. To me,

1206
01:08:10,079 --> 01:08:14,880
that stretches prejewelry, you know, to the breaking point.

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Speaker 5: The way I see it is, it is what we

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01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:21,199
want to hearisms. Yes, this is exactly what we want

1209
01:08:21,239 --> 01:08:23,359
to hear, that we're part of a federation, that we're

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01:08:23,399 --> 01:08:26,600
already traveling the galaxy. Nobody would love it to be

1211
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,199
true more than Stephen and I. But we don't think

1212
01:08:29,239 --> 01:08:32,960
that's what's happening. We think that these creatures reside here

1213
01:08:33,159 --> 01:08:40,359
on the planet underground and are playing space aliens. They

1214
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:42,680
want it right, They want us to look looking up

1215
01:08:43,079 --> 01:08:46,960
for answers instead of down where the answers really are.

1216
01:08:47,319 --> 01:08:49,880
Speaker 3: In my opinion, that's what's going on. Do you remember

1217
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:53,680
the incident with the Valiant thor nick I do, indeed. Yeah,

1218
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,560
the Pentagon, Yes, the alien at the Pentagon.

1219
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Speaker 4: Yeah, strange, Yeah, stranger the Pentagon.

1220
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:00,680
Speaker 3: That's it, Yeah, the stranger, that's right.

1221
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:05,239
Speaker 5: He lands in a spaceship in a field in Virginia

1222
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:09,840
and wants to be taken to the President or ends

1223
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:13,720
up getting taken to the Pentagon and supposedly resided with

1224
01:09:14,399 --> 01:09:18,439
us for three years, and supposedly he said he came

1225
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:22,960
from Venus and it looked just like a Caucasian, red

1226
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:29,760
haired Caucasian man and claim to have come from Venus. Well,

1227
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:35,199
now we know that you can't come from Venus. Nothing

1228
01:09:35,319 --> 01:09:37,640
is alive on Venus probably.

1229
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:41,279
Speaker 3: So that's a lie. He lied to us. So why

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01:09:41,319 --> 01:09:42,199
would he lie to us.

1231
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 5: One of the reasons, we think is that because they

1232
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:49,920
are here already, they live under our feet in underground bases.

1233
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:53,279
That's why you keep hearing a that's where the UFOs

1234
01:09:53,319 --> 01:09:56,680
are coming from. They're coming out of lakes, out of mountains,

1235
01:09:56,800 --> 01:10:01,000
out of the ocean. They're not coming from above and down.

1236
01:10:01,159 --> 01:10:03,399
Speaker 1: And it also explains their interest in our in our

1237
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:06,199
military bases, and how the the ability to turn off

1238
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:09,479
our news whenever they want to. This is all documented.

1239
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:14,319
Speaker 5: Yes, I think the nuclear you know, the US's use

1240
01:10:14,399 --> 01:10:20,640
of nuclear bombs on Japan, I think that frightened them.

1241
01:10:21,079 --> 01:10:25,119
I think they didn't want US messing with nuclear power,

1242
01:10:25,439 --> 01:10:29,760
and so they started UFOs started showing up at all

1243
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:33,760
of our nuclear bases, and actually, in the Malmstrom incident,

1244
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:38,319
they shut down all our the ten warheads.

1245
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:40,319
Speaker 1: Were taken off line, taken off one.

1246
01:10:40,399 --> 01:10:43,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, the ten acbms were taken offline, one after another

1247
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:46,920
after another. And these are all separate systems. And of

1248
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,720
course it's UFO is flying over, hovering over the base.

1249
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:52,399
Speaker 1: Same kind of things have been reported in great Britain too.

1250
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 5: So if they were a distant star system, coming from

1251
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,960
a distant star system, and we were on the verge

1252
01:11:00,039 --> 01:11:04,359
are destroying ourselves with nuclear power weapons, they might care

1253
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:07,479
enough to worry for us. But the reaction they had

1254
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:10,319
was like more like they were worried about themselves. I

1255
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:13,840
think that they were terrified by our use of nuclear weapons.

1256
01:11:14,239 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I agree. I think they probably look at

1257
01:11:17,079 --> 01:11:18,520
us like children with matches.

1258
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:21,199
Speaker 1: So when I was a doctor, I used to use

1259
01:11:21,239 --> 01:11:24,520
this analogy about the human brain, where we have this

1260
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:29,479
fantastic device that's been developed through probably nature and probably

1261
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:31,640
a little bit of help. And it's like we're given

1262
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:36,199
this Ferrari that has a thousand horsepower engine and we

1263
01:11:37,119 --> 01:11:39,600
aren't given an instruction manual, accept the show, how you

1264
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:42,159
can turn it, turn it on, how you can accelerate,

1265
01:11:42,319 --> 01:11:46,479
And we're going down through life on this one lane

1266
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:50,520
road that is barely lit with this Ferrari that has

1267
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:54,600
a thousand horse power, and we don't know there's going

1268
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:56,359
to be a turn coming up or not. Where we

1269
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:59,960
just have they have this fantastic computer in our head

1270
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:03,199
heads that we barely use, and all we know how

1271
01:12:03,239 --> 01:12:05,520
to do is basically, you know, accelerate and turn it

1272
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:08,720
on and maybe turn on the headlights. And as for that,

1273
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:13,840
anything else is basically just either luck or just yes.

1274
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:17,119
You know, we just don't really know where the more

1275
01:12:17,159 --> 01:12:19,520
and more we learn about the human brain is, you know,

1276
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:23,159
even the neocortex. You know, some of the scientists are

1277
01:12:23,199 --> 01:12:27,800
saying that to just one very small part of the

1278
01:12:28,119 --> 01:12:31,239
of the human neocortex at about three hundred thousand years ago,

1279
01:12:32,079 --> 01:12:34,800
was all of a sudden we gained the ability to speak.

1280
01:12:35,279 --> 01:12:38,960
Jason Martell was talking about that, and when they do dissections,

1281
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:41,239
it looks like that part of the neocortex it was

1282
01:12:41,279 --> 01:12:44,000
a patch job where that part that gives us ability

1283
01:12:44,079 --> 01:12:48,159
to speak was actually was actually added in on the

1284
01:12:48,239 --> 01:12:52,159
chromosomal DNA level. So it's it's interesting to see that,

1285
01:12:53,119 --> 01:12:55,520
you know, finally we're starting to catch up through through

1286
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:58,640
science to go to even prove some of these achievements.

1287
01:12:59,319 --> 01:13:02,760
We didn't have the ability to speak up until a

1288
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:04,359
relatively short period.

1289
01:13:04,079 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 3: Of time ago, about fifty thousand years.

1290
01:13:07,199 --> 01:13:10,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it certainly makes you wander, doesn't it. And

1291
01:13:11,199 --> 01:13:14,359
Leslie Stephen, you also briefly mentioned your book earlier. Can

1292
01:13:14,399 --> 01:13:15,399
you tell us what it's called?

1293
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:15,760
Speaker 2: Please?

1294
01:13:16,119 --> 01:13:19,239
Speaker 3: It's who they are and what they're up to. We

1295
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:23,159
tried to answer the big questions in the book.

1296
01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:26,239
Speaker 5: So many UFO books, and believe me, we've read a

1297
01:13:26,359 --> 01:13:30,520
pile of them, talk about the phenomenon in general or

1298
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:34,600
sometimes a specific incident. They'll go into it in great detail,

1299
01:13:35,239 --> 01:13:38,119
but we're looking at the subject as a whole, trying

1300
01:13:38,159 --> 01:13:41,840
to look at the umbrella over it and explained who

1301
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:46,239
are flying these machines, what they want from us, why

1302
01:13:46,319 --> 01:13:48,760
they're here, where they come from, etc.

1303
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:51,359
Speaker 3: Trying to answer Like I say.

1304
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:55,039
Speaker 5: As we were doing our research, I kept seeing interviews

1305
01:13:55,119 --> 01:13:59,720
with people and they'd be terrified, lost no idea what

1306
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:04,479
they saw, grasping for any explanation as to what they're seeing.

1307
01:14:05,079 --> 01:14:07,880
And we had theories, and so I thought, let's impart

1308
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:09,960
our theories. Maybe it'll help these people.

1309
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:13,079
Speaker 1: So we also tied that in with ancient history and

1310
01:14:13,159 --> 01:14:16,439
what has been seen and documented through the thousands and

1311
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:19,800
thousands of years, and WHO is basically a learning experience

1312
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:23,560
for us, but also it helped to explain. And also

1313
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:29,199
we're basically giving people answers and whys, who, why, how

1314
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:32,960
in the book instead of just a dry just explanation

1315
01:14:33,119 --> 01:14:37,000
this event happened. We you know, we're trying to find

1316
01:14:37,079 --> 01:14:39,720
the answers for people. That is, in other words, we

1317
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:42,560
were looking for the horses and not the zebras. We

1318
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:45,199
see a lot of people chasing zebras these days, like

1319
01:14:45,359 --> 01:14:49,319
now it's very popular where people talk about interdimensionals from

1320
01:14:49,359 --> 01:14:52,319
the fourth and fifth dimension and time travel.

1321
01:14:52,359 --> 01:14:53,279
Speaker 3: These are creatures from.

1322
01:14:53,199 --> 01:14:57,319
Speaker 1: The future Einstein, rosenbridges, wormholes and you know, just you know,

1323
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:01,000
zebra type stuff. But you know, we we're basically more

1324
01:15:01,119 --> 01:15:03,319
no nonsense as to be you know, if it's you know,

1325
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:05,600
look for the horse to be he hear hoof beats,

1326
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:08,520
unless if you're in certain parts of Kenya, then you

1327
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:11,000
might actually be hoof beats. They might be zebras.

1328
01:15:11,199 --> 01:15:14,880
Speaker 5: We've seen their evidence of their habitation on this planet

1329
01:15:15,039 --> 01:15:18,560
for thousands of years. So again it points more to

1330
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:21,920
a species that is here living with us, rather than

1331
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:26,439
something that's traveling here from vast distances. That was another

1332
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:28,720
thing that didn't add up, right, Oh, they're supposed to

1333
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:31,359
be coming here from another star system. How come we're

1334
01:15:31,359 --> 01:15:34,239
seeing them ten thousand times a year. There's ten thousand

1335
01:15:34,359 --> 01:15:38,760
reported sightings per year every year for one hundred years

1336
01:15:39,279 --> 01:15:42,560
that we've been tracking it. And probably thousands of years

1337
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:45,840
before that. So we see them definitely as cohabitants of

1338
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:46,479
this world.

1339
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:49,520
Speaker 1: So our book strives to give people answers to what

1340
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:54,000
looks to be the most reasonable explanation from what's going on.

1341
01:15:54,199 --> 01:15:57,399
I call it necessity, and hear out of necessity, and

1342
01:15:57,560 --> 01:15:59,359
need is because of necessity.

1343
01:15:59,159 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 5: And so many of the these creatures, these beings, they're humanoid.

1344
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:06,680
Almost all of them are humanoid. And I see them

1345
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:11,359
as much closer relatives to us than aliens. For instance,

1346
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:15,119
our closest relative on the planet is a variety of chimpanzee.

1347
01:16:15,359 --> 01:16:18,039
If you look at the human next to the chimpanzee,

1348
01:16:18,159 --> 01:16:21,000
we look nothing alike, and this is our absolute closest

1349
01:16:21,039 --> 01:16:23,800
relative on the planet. But you look at a gray alien.

1350
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:26,840
We have a lot more in common with them than

1351
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:30,239
we do with the chimpanzee. They walk upright, they are

1352
01:16:30,279 --> 01:16:32,399
proportions are the same as ours. Their eyes are in

1353
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:34,199
the right place, the nose is in the right place,

1354
01:16:34,239 --> 01:16:36,359
the mouth is in the right place, the ear holes

1355
01:16:36,399 --> 01:16:39,159
are in the right place. The elbows bend the correct way,

1356
01:16:39,239 --> 01:16:41,880
the knees bend the correct way. The pelvis is the

1357
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:45,640
same shape as ours. They're the only other creature that

1358
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:47,960
we know of that walks perfectly upright like we do,

1359
01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:52,520
except you know, possibly Bigfoot and us and that's it.

1360
01:16:53,399 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 3: And I think we have a lot more in common

1361
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:57,159
with these creatures than we do with the chimpanzee.

1362
01:16:57,319 --> 01:17:00,640
Speaker 4: Interesting. Yeah, yeah, I agree with you that for stuff

1363
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:04,039
who they are and what they're up to by Leslie

1364
01:17:04,079 --> 01:17:05,039
and Stephen Shaw.

1365
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:08,359
Speaker 1: It's available on Amazon and ingram Perfect.

1366
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:11,159
Speaker 4: What I do is I'll leave links in the description

1367
01:17:11,279 --> 01:17:13,439
of this episode and on our website.

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01:17:13,880 --> 01:17:15,199
Speaker 3: Super thank you so much.

1369
01:17:15,159 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 4: Good stuff, Okay, Leslie Stephen, I really appreciate you both

1370
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:19,920
coming on sharing that for our listeners.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

1372
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:21,399
Speaker 1: You're welcome.

1373
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:23,520
Speaker 4: It was my pleasure. It's lovely to having you on. Okay,

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keep in contact and I will talk to you soon. Bye.

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For now, that's all for this week. Keep updated and

1376
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1377
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:36,439
if you have an encounter that you'd like to share

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01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:40,560
on the podcast, you can email me at UFO Chronicles

1379
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:43,479
at gmail dot com, or you can reach out to

1380
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:46,600
me via the contact page on my website at UFO

1381
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:50,479
Chronicles podcast dot com. A big thank you to Leslie

1382
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:53,880
and Stephen for sharing tonight and thank you all for listening.

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I will be back next week. Till then, stay safe

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and keep watching the skies. Goodbye,