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<v Speaker 1>Hey everyone, I'm Nicole, and your listen.

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<v Speaker 2>You screwed it up. You're supposed you're supposed to let

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<v Speaker 2>me introduce myself to So I'm bad. I'm Nicol and

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<v Speaker 2>this is Wicked and Graham.

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<v Speaker 1>True.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm conci.

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<v Speaker 3>Your audience. I just wishing that.

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<v Speaker 1>Int Okay, our intro is just getting better and better.

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<v Speaker 3>No man crying?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well, I just like almost like, what are we doing?

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<v Speaker 2>You are crying. There's actual tears coming out of your things.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I needed that. I needed a laugh. Oh my gosh. Okay, welcome,

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Wicked and Crib. Bring a drink, gob your drinks.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, our podcast, this is our podcast. We're kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a shit show, but we love it that well.

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<v Speaker 1>I normally don't drink while I'm presenting, but like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>fucking doing it today because I need this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a week and a time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So if I need to like pause for a

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<v Speaker 1>minute to take a drink, I think we're gonna just

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<v Speaker 1>be okay with that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's totally cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, We're gonna just do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Because we've been while trying to sell our house,

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<v Speaker 2>and I mean by trying, we've had accepted offers but

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<v Speaker 2>there's long story short, there's just a lot of stupid

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<v Speaker 2>things going on with it, and we'll leave it at that.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's been a stressful.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been a very stressful week. Yes, But it's almost

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<v Speaker 1>sure and the lot for the tiny home is almost ready.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, So it's hopefully getting parked on its leveled out

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<v Speaker 2>spot this weekend and then we can.

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<v Speaker 1>Start moving in, decide what we want to keep and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff we can.

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<v Speaker 2>Decide we want to keep first, we got to. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>be moving in once the offer on our current house

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<v Speaker 2>actually is solidified, because there's still like some subjects to remove.

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<v Speaker 2>It's basically done, but as soon as it's done on

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<v Speaker 2>paper is when we can start moving.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. All I can think about right now is I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>next week we should try to have a normal intro.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe that's literally.

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<v Speaker 1>All that's going. We can promise anything, I know, we

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<v Speaker 1>literally can't, like right, and we just we just can't.

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<v Speaker 1>We just get well, Okay, we have been promising one

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<v Speaker 1>thing very well, and that is we show up every Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true. That's true. We've kept to that since February.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think it was like the last week

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<v Speaker 2>of February was our first episode and we haven't missed

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<v Speaker 2>Tuesday yet. Yeah, despite work schedules, being sick, selling a house,

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<v Speaker 2>buying a tiny home, vacations. Yeah, we've stuck through it

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<v Speaker 2>all and.

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<v Speaker 1>Here we are so and it's paying off.

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<v Speaker 2>And the best part about it is that you guys

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<v Speaker 2>are still here listening to us through it all and

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<v Speaker 2>our whole shit shows.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we absolutely, like, just so appreciate you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you have no idea the messages we get to

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<v Speaker 2>your website, email, Instagram, Facebook, It's incredible. You guys make

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<v Speaker 2>this so worth it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh gosh. Yeah, because if it wasn't for that, really,

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<v Speaker 1>like we probably wouldn't be doing this.

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<v Speaker 2>Why would we be doing this? And I just want

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<v Speaker 2>to point out one thing, okay, because we've had a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people recently who do message us and when

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<v Speaker 2>we reply, they like, oh my god, you're replying. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>well of course we're replying, Like I do know, we

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<v Speaker 2>miss it some sometimes, I'm sure something.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty rare. I feel like that we miss a

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<v Speaker 1>message or comment.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, like, of course we're going to reply

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<v Speaker 2>to you guys. We're not famous. We're just a couple

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<v Speaker 2>with a podcast at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, that literally just uses an excuse to have a beverage.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, on a Monday night, we're not in a studio.

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<v Speaker 2>We're in our spare bedroom right now, in our house,

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<v Speaker 2>where you're not anyone special with a network or anything, not.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet, not yet. Hey, but I think I'm pretty special.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you're pretty special.

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<v Speaker 1>Like in a good way. Pretty special.

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<v Speaker 2>You're pretty special, pretty special.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone's pretty special, definitely in their own way.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm just saying we're just we're just like you, guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Just the only difference is we're researching these cases and

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<v Speaker 2>talking about it to you.

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<v Speaker 4>That's it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the only difference. We're just like you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think honestly, will I will like always try

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<v Speaker 1>to respond. I mean sometimes it's like harder than other

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<v Speaker 1>weeks or whatever, but like I think it's important respond.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's sweet. Definitely we love hearing from you guys

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<v Speaker 1>to the yes, Yeah, we're ready, I'm ready, We're ready,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm ready, And we gave I gave zero hints for

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<v Speaker 1>this case. That's how I decided to win this week

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<v Speaker 1>by just not giving you a hint. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>the story of Colleen Ritzer, and I think it's like

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty well known story. I feel like we've done

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<v Speaker 1>some that aren't as well known, but I think this

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty well known. So Colleen is a teacher at

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<v Speaker 1>Danvers High School. She's a math teacher. To be exact.

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<v Speaker 1>It had always been Colleen's dream to be a teacher,

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<v Speaker 1>and she excelled at math, so that is how she

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<v Speaker 1>decided that she would teach that subject. Being just twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four and a new teacher, Colleen lived at home in Andover, Massachusetts, Massachusetts, Massachusetts,

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<v Speaker 1>with her parents, Peg and Tom, which was about half

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<v Speaker 1>an hour away from where she worked in Danvers. She

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<v Speaker 1>was the oldest child. She had a brother who was

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<v Speaker 1>away at college, and a sister who was a senior

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<v Speaker 1>in high school. And I don't think she was a

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<v Speaker 1>senior in the same high school that Colleen worked, but

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't necessarily find that out. I think she probably

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<v Speaker 1>was a senior at Andover High School. Okay, and Colleen

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<v Speaker 1>worked at Divers Okay, okay, fair enough. And she was

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<v Speaker 1>a family gal. She loved her family. They sounded like

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<v Speaker 1>they were like a close family.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that, Yeah, like I just love that. Love

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<v Speaker 1>your family, Yes, well, if they're I mean, some people

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<v Speaker 1>are crazy, but they're not crazy. You love your family,

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<v Speaker 1>love them anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, love those who would love you.

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<v Speaker 1>How's that that's true? Yeah, that's true?

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<v Speaker 2>And fun fact, I think I might have told you

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<v Speaker 2>this before, but you know that saying blood is thicker

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<v Speaker 2>than water?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know the full saying is actually the blood

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<v Speaker 2>of the coven is thicker than the water of the womb.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, I've heard that too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like the relationships you bond with those in your coven,

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<v Speaker 2>your friends, even your family, those who you are close

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<v Speaker 2>with and you bond these relationships with through trials, tribunes

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<v Speaker 2>and through your life are greater than those that you're

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<v Speaker 2>just born into. So just because you're born into this

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<v Speaker 2>family doesn't mean you have to be close, be close

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<v Speaker 2>with the ones who appreciate you and love you and

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<v Speaker 2>are in your your coven. That's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe she's born with it. Yeah, it's all that went

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<v Speaker 1>through my mind when you're saying that, Which is.

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<v Speaker 2>What's Maybe it's Maybeline?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it Maybeline?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's Maybeling.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I always say like your friends are your

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<v Speaker 1>chosen family, right, because I say that often.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's nothing against family, but I'm just saying you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have any obligation, is my only point.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, if they are assholes to you, then yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that's that. I think that's what we're saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, Colleen liked her family and they were close.

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<v Speaker 2>Though, so they weren't assholes.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was quite a dangent there, That's funny. At

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<v Speaker 1>the time of Colleen's story, it was the Fall of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty thirteen, and she loved Fall and she loved Halloween.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, she's my kind of girl.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so if you already didn't think she was sweet,

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<v Speaker 1>now you don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she's cool now, definitely super cool. Halloween is the

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<v Speaker 2>best euro upsess.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like we already have Halloween shit in our stories

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<v Speaker 1>on Instagram or on our feed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah we do. It's just gonna get worse did weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just gonna get worse.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was calling second year teaching at I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>call it DHS Danvers High School. DHS was grade nine

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<v Speaker 1>to twelve and had about one thousand students. She was

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<v Speaker 1>afe teacher and she tried to make herself relatable and

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<v Speaker 1>connect with her students. So this is super cool. She

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<v Speaker 1>had a Twitter account where she would engage with her

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<v Speaker 1>students with like jokes, tips, reminders kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>That's cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah it's still out there. So I was like kind

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<v Speaker 1>of scrolling, but I'm like that's super cool, Like good

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<v Speaker 1>for her.

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<v Speaker 2>That's definitely a way to engage in. Like I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to say get down on their level, because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not saying like get down like they're a low level,

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<v Speaker 2>but like, you know, be with them it they're in

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<v Speaker 2>their atmosphere.

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<v Speaker 1>Totally, because yeah, she would or she would have like

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<v Speaker 1>or you're what were some of her posts like your

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<v Speaker 1>test marks are up? Or like little homework assignment things

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<v Speaker 1>like it was just and then like little like memes

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<v Speaker 1>of like math stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>See that's a great way to communicate with your kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's awesome. So I'm like, you're sweet.

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to I want a teacher who'd I want

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<v Speaker 2>to go back to high school just so I can

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<v Speaker 2>have a teacher who'd post memes. I know social media.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think like not that all teachers don't, but

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<v Speaker 1>like some I think definitely care more about like their

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<v Speaker 1>students success. And I think that she really she was

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<v Speaker 1>one of those that, like, you know, really went above

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<v Speaker 1>and beyond.

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<v Speaker 2>That's awesome. That's that's a teacher you want.

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<v Speaker 1>I know she's she was, She's terrific. So she normally

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<v Speaker 1>arrived at school early. This particular morning, the morning of

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<v Speaker 1>October twenty second, she would arrive just before seven am.

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<v Speaker 1>But it wasn't like any other day for many reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>But to start off with, it was dressed like your

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<v Speaker 1>friend day. Oh nice, which is like super cool.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good warm up to Halloween coming up too,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's twenty seconds. Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Like my favorite day of those themes or whatever was

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<v Speaker 1>Pajama Day. I was obsessed with pajamitay Jammy day was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty dope jamm Day or wacky hair Day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you can do a lot. My favorite, though, I

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<v Speaker 2>gotta say, Pirate Day was pretty sick.

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<v Speaker 1>Did we have those kind of as in high school

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<v Speaker 1>or was that more elementary?

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<v Speaker 2>It was more elementary, though we did have someone in

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<v Speaker 1>Did we? I can hardly remember.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember Pirate Day specifically because there was one kid

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<v Speaker 1>That's why you remember it. Yes, Oh that's so awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, who shows up dressed like a pirate when

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<v Speaker 2>it's like an Asa, when it's Pirate day, it's a black.

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<v Speaker 1>Person did, and they probably thought they were sweet. Probably

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<v Speaker 1>So carrying her black tope bag and lunch bag, Colleen

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<v Speaker 1>After formal classes were done, the school had a period

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<v Speaker 1>And this is like super cool. It's appeared in which

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<v Speaker 1>students could study or see teachers for extra help. Teachers

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<v Speaker 2>Nice.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, that's sick.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's genius. Yeah, that's a good way to actually

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<v Speaker 2>to catch the bus or a four class and it's

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<v Speaker 2>glorious Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you were like a kid that had to take

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<v Speaker 1>there's absolutely no way you can step behind to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to a teacher exactly. Huh. So that it's like amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's perfect. Sorry, I still have a little

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe you should take a drink of your booze, my

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<v Speaker 2>booth of your booze.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that makes me cough more or less?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe more maybe less.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh spread seltzer.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go, super very delicious.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds disgusting, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>The first time I actually take a sip, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is disgusting. Yes, but I I just ever since

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<v Speaker 2>Now after that first yeah, yeah, I crave it. Shout

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<v Speaker 2>out to our local brewery, Trench because they brew it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's it's honestly amazing. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>I've ever had another, like a better can.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that combination though, it just doesn't sound right to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Peach and rosemary. That's like saying you're gonna have a

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<v Speaker 2>nice peach pie with turkey dinner. And it's like those

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, they don't, but it's it's it's phenomenal. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>tenada ten, ten out of.

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<v Speaker 2>Ten, not like eleven out of ten or ten and

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<v Speaker 2>a half.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, when when did ten outa ten not become good enough?

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just talk about that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you have a point because.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, nowadays it's like tenada ten isn't good enough. It's

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<v Speaker 1>got to be like twenty out of ten. Ten out

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<v Speaker 1>of ten is one hundred percent. It's a perfect score,

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you got to go one hundred and ten percent.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my goness anything going on? Because that's like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone doesn't get a ribbon here.

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<v Speaker 2>But I want a ribbon? Can I have a rub?

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<v Speaker 1>That might be an unpopular opinion? I don't know. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>I apologize, No, I agree, Okay, moving on, So now

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to introducing introducing Philip Chisholm. So, Philip is

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<v Speaker 1>a fourteen year old. He was a freshman at d

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<v Speaker 2>Can I interrupt for a second? Yeah, are you really

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<v Speaker 2>going to escape by the fact that his name is

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<v Speaker 2>Philip Chisholm?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Why what's so funny?

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds like Philip chism Philip.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, gosh, yeah, if you're a fourteen year old boy,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thirty three, thank you. No, I didn't catch that, Ben,

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<v Speaker 1>I was the first thing that popped in my head.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, there was actually something else in here

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<v Speaker 1>that was like kind of like fourteen year old boyish.

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<v Speaker 1>And I took out because I was like, Ben, just

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<v Speaker 1>gonna comment about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, it's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was a store. It was called like it

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<v Speaker 1>was called BJ's or something DJ's something like, yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>came out anyway though, whatever, in case you're wondering, Okay, continue, okay, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So where the frig was I? Okay? So he was fourteen.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a freshman, and he had recently moved from Tennessee.

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<v Speaker 1>He moved to Danvers with his mom, who and his

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<v Speaker 1>parents had recently separated. Kind of like, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>it was the best separation of all times.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no separation is really good?

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<v Speaker 1>Probably not. No. Well, I mean I've heard of some

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<v Speaker 1>that aren't too bad, I don't think, and there's some

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<v Speaker 1>that are particular bad, and I think this one was

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<v Speaker 1>probably more on their particular bad side. So, but he

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<v Speaker 1>was seeming to fit in all right. He made a

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<v Speaker 1>couple friends and excelled on the freshman soccer team. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>right on, so Pamela Foss I think it's her last name.

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<v Speaker 1>Another teacher at DHS described Philip as a quiet, but

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<v Speaker 1>cordial student. Is that how you say that? Cordial?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't know what you're reading.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, I don't know an average student cordial?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that's like polite.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I can't quite right this average student.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't say that. I know what words you aren't

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<v Speaker 2>trying to say. Now, I can't say it because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>like thinking about it, you know, when that happens.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I do that all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I can remember cordially cordial court.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there ever gonna be an episode where we're all

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<v Speaker 1>sounding out words?

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<v Speaker 2>Probably not?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So recently asking to move Philip recently asked to

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<v Speaker 1>move from the regular history class into the honors history

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<v Speaker 1>class because he wanted more of a challenge. But he

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<v Speaker 1>was also just an average student who missed some homework assignments.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think, like, I don't know, maybe he.

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<v Speaker 2>Just liked history, you know, Yeah, maybe, but.

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<v Speaker 1>I put that in there. But I also didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>it to make him sound like a superstar, because wow,

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<v Speaker 1>he's not so. That particular day, Otober twenty second, there

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<v Speaker 1>was a quiz in Pamela's history class, and Philip did

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<v Speaker 1>very well on the quiz. She noticed nothing unusual about

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<v Speaker 1>his appearance or his behavior in class. Philip's last class

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<v Speaker 1>of the day before the bubble period was Colleen's math class.

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<v Speaker 1>Philip arrived to math class lightly after one, wearing a

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<v Speaker 1>red sweatshirt, a black and yellow backpack on his back,

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<v Speaker 1>and carrying a red draw string backpack. I just had

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<v Speaker 1>a thong when I said that, which is really weird.

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<v Speaker 1>When the bubble period started at one with my brain

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<v Speaker 1>is just all over the place today. Philip and another

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<v Speaker 1>student named Autumn stayed behind in Calling's class, like to

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<v Speaker 1>get help or whatever. Colling wasn't after math help, however,

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<v Speaker 1>but she rather just really liked Colleen as a teacher.

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<v Speaker 1>She was like her favorite teacher okay, and wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>just stay behind and visit with her.

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<v Speaker 2>Gotcha some chill time.

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<v Speaker 1>That's really cool. So Colling like, yeah, that she's liked.

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<v Speaker 1>Audamn drew on the board as Philip and Colleen spoke.

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<v Speaker 1>She said they spoke of Philip being from Tennessee and

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<v Speaker 1>how he really missed it there. Autumn said, Colleen was

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<v Speaker 1>super nice about it, but Philip was coming across kind

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<v Speaker 1>of annoyed with Colleen's questions and answered in like low

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<v Speaker 1>mumblely tones, appearing so he kind of like was appearing

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<v Speaker 1>to not want to talk about Tennessee. I suppose.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So at one point, Colleen stepped out to talk to

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<v Speaker 1>her friend Sarah, the one that she had been she

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<v Speaker 1>was twinning with right.

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<v Speaker 2>The purple shirt twin Yeah, gotcha.

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<v Speaker 1>And Philip then went to the board to draw with Autumn.

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<v Speaker 1>They talked about drawing, and Philip had told Autumn that

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<v Speaker 1>she was a good jar. Philip would write his name

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<v Speaker 1>on the board in Chinese, which Autumn thought was super cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Autumn said, Philip came across the fine did not mumble

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<v Speaker 1>to her at all, and they just had like a

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<v Speaker 1>relatively normal conversation. Okay, So meanwhile, Colleen and Sarah we're

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, I'm just like, did you st even know much

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<v Speaker 2>about I know a very little bit. I know who

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<v Speaker 2>the victim and who the perpetrator is. That's about it. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So meanwhile Colleen and Sarah were out in the hallway,

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<v Speaker 1>chatting about a meeting that Sarah just had. At one point,

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah asked Colleen if she needed to get back into

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<v Speaker 1>her classroom to help her students. Colleen said Autumn was

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<v Speaker 1>just in there drawing on the whiteboard, and she honestly

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know why Philip was there. They continued their conversation,

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<v Speaker 1>speaking about shampoo and a teacher or a student having headlace.

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah was also having car issues, so Colleen asked if

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<v Speaker 1>she needed a ride home, which she unfortunately did not,

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<v Speaker 1>so Colle went back into her classroom.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I bet you her friends feels terrible about that, though.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, well, terrible for not needing a ride home, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>because I honestly don't know. I don't know if that

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<v Speaker 1>would have changed the outcome.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well was it? Sorry, was it Colleen needing the

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<v Speaker 2>ride home?

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<v Speaker 1>No, this is a friend, Colleena.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, I thought you meant that, maybe, Colleen.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that would have probably changed the outcome.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I got it backwards.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I don't know either way, wouldn't change the outcome,

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<v Speaker 1>but still like shit might have got figured out of

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<v Speaker 1>it sooner. So when Colleen returned to her classroom, she

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<v Speaker 1>told Autumn and Philip that she would be leaving soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Autumn packed up to leave first. As she was leaving,

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<v Speaker 1>she told Colleen that she was like the best teacher

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<v Speaker 1>ever and such a great person and she really liked her.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, oh my god, the fields.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like, you know, you're doing a good job when

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<v Speaker 2>you can impact a student like that, And that might have.

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<v Speaker 1>Been the last conversation she had, so just dropping that

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<v Speaker 1>bomb right there. Fuck. Autumn said this, however, seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>annoy Philip and make him angry. Autumn that she was

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<v Speaker 1>like liking Colleen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, given that praise, Autumn.

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<v Speaker 1>Left the classroom, leaving Philip and Colleen alone. At this

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<v Speaker 1>point in the date, there weren't many students left in

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<v Speaker 1>that particular area of the school. But before leaving for

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<v Speaker 1>the day, Calling left her classroom to head to the

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<v Speaker 1>nearest girl's bathroom. And this is where shit goes.

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<v Speaker 2>So my friends, buckle up, ladies and gentlemen, take a

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<v Speaker 2>swig of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Drink, and let's let's do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>So Philip, still in the classroom, initially starts following Calling

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<v Speaker 1>to the bathroom shortly after she left, like why the

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<v Speaker 1>fuck is he following her to the bathroom, Like, don't

429
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<v Speaker 1>fall her to the bathroom. Yeah, And like as I'm

430
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<v Speaker 1>researching this, I'm like calling, look the fuck behind you, please.

431
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<v Speaker 2>Please no, But she didn't.

432
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<v Speaker 1>She didn't. So basically, like our lesson for the fucking

433
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<v Speaker 1>day is like, if you're going to the bathroom, just

434
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<v Speaker 1>look behind you.

435
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<v Speaker 2>If you're gonna go number two, then make sure you

436
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<v Speaker 2>look behind.

437
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<v Speaker 1>You, even number one.

438
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<v Speaker 2>Man, all of the above, Okay, if you go into

439
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<v Speaker 2>the bathroom, look behind you, behind you.

440
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<v Speaker 1>Keep it. Then she's like in a place where she's comfortable, right,

441
00:21:02.599 --> 00:21:04.839
<v Speaker 1>and her guard, her guard is who?

442
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<v Speaker 2>But that that reminds me of that movie. Was it

443
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<v Speaker 2>Zombie Land? I don't know, you don't know. I don't

444
00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:15.680
<v Speaker 2>remember the there's a movie Zombie Land. I'm trying to

445
00:21:15.680 --> 00:21:19.319
<v Speaker 2>remember the actors. I can picture them in everything. Anyways,

446
00:21:20.079 --> 00:21:22.720
<v Speaker 2>through the movie, it's a zombie apocalypse movie, but it's

447
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<v Speaker 2>like kind of comedy as well.

448
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<v Speaker 1>I heart zombies or no, did I make that out?

449
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<v Speaker 2>That's a different one. I heart something else. Anyways, it's

450
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<v Speaker 2>got Woody Harrelson in it. Anyways, throughout the movie there's

451
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<v Speaker 2>like Rules of the Apocalypse's one character made up, and

452
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<v Speaker 2>one of the rules is like, when you're in your vehicle,

453
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<v Speaker 2>always check the backseat. Okay, that kind of reminded me

454
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<v Speaker 2>of that when one of the bathroom, always look behind you.

455
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<v Speaker 1>But I just envision myself like walking to the bathroom

456
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<v Speaker 1>and like checking behind me. You would almost look suspicious

457
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<v Speaker 1>doing that, not you personally saying me, like I look

458
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<v Speaker 1>and I said that, but like if I'm like look

459
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<v Speaker 1>in the bathroom and then I look around, people are like,

460
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<v Speaker 1>what the fuck's she going to do in the bathroom.

461
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, especially if you're in a high school, Yeah, go

462
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<v Speaker 2>to the bathroom.

463
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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, But who cares if people think you suspicious?

464
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<v Speaker 1>Just look out for yourself? Really, yeah, okay, watch you six.

465
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<v Speaker 1>So Philip had also changed from the wet the red

466
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<v Speaker 1>sweatshirt he had been wearing all day into a light

467
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<v Speaker 1>blue hooded sweatshirt, and he had the hood up concealing

468
00:22:27.519 --> 00:22:31.160
<v Speaker 1>his face. So as he has he followed Colleen, he

469
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<v Speaker 1>briefly scanned the hallway and checked his pockets while looking

470
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<v Speaker 1>Colleen's direction, and he was also in the process of

471
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<v Speaker 1>putting white gloves on as he walked, Like is this

472
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<v Speaker 1>not like like nightmare material? Or what really?

473
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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And I I'm pretty sure you're gonna answer this

474
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<v Speaker 2>later on, but I'm just if Colleen didn't see this,

475
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<v Speaker 2>then how do we know that this is what he

476
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<v Speaker 2>was doing?

477
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<v Speaker 1>Uh? Cameras okay in the hallway?

478
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<v Speaker 2>Gotcha? Okay?

479
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So basically, like you're heading into the bathroom in

480
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<v Speaker 1>a place that you think is safe, but no one

481
00:23:02.079 --> 00:23:04.680
<v Speaker 1>is around, and you have some dude following you who's

482
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<v Speaker 1>changed his outfoot, has his hood up, and is pulling

483
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<v Speaker 1>on some fucking gloves.

484
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<v Speaker 2>So whatever he's about to do is clearly premeditated.

485
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, Well, like do you just carry well, I

486
00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:16.519
<v Speaker 1>don't know, do you just carry the.

487
00:23:16.480 --> 00:23:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Shit in your well? He's carrying a spare hoodie to

488
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<v Speaker 2>put on the first and then Latex or whatever nitrol gloves,

489
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<v Speaker 2>and he's putting them on, whether he just so happened

490
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<v Speaker 2>to have them or he carried them in expecting to

491
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<v Speaker 2>do this, regardless of that situation, he's putting them on

492
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<v Speaker 2>in preparation of what he's about to do.

493
00:23:34.960 --> 00:23:37.920
<v Speaker 1>Get totally premeditated, like he and he had box cutters

494
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<v Speaker 1>in his pocket.

495
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<v Speaker 4>There we go.

496
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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure if you're following with some of the

497
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<v Speaker 1>bathroom like that, you're not up, You're up to no good.

498
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<v Speaker 1>So Colleen enters the bathroom. I imagine she's doing her business.

499
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<v Speaker 1>Philip is outside the bathroom door, listening briefly before he

500
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<v Speaker 1>also enters the bathroom. As I said, he has a

501
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<v Speaker 1>box cutter in hand. And they were in this bathroom

502
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<v Speaker 1>for eleven minutes.

503
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<v Speaker 2>Shit, I can only imagine, like, I'm I'm wondering if

504
00:24:05.039 --> 00:24:06.960
<v Speaker 2>that bathroom locks the inside or something.

505
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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't. It doesn't, no, Like I'm about just to

506
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<v Speaker 1>say it, like so the next sentence shows that it doesn't,

507
00:24:14.200 --> 00:24:17.200
<v Speaker 1>but it's like it could have, but he didn't lock it,

508
00:24:17.480 --> 00:24:18.839
<v Speaker 1>which I thought was really weird.

509
00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:23.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because my imagination immediately went like, you're in the

510
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<v Speaker 2>bathroom and you hear someone come in and then you

511
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<v Speaker 2>just hear the lock just click.

512
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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, I would literally die. Oh great, now

513
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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to be listening for that. That's just too much. Okay,

514
00:24:36.880 --> 00:24:42.200
<v Speaker 1>it's just too much, Okay, deepress. Okay, So after eleven minutes,

515
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<v Speaker 1>a female student named Danielle entered the bathroom. She only

516
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<v Speaker 1>briefly walked in and then out, saying she saw a

517
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<v Speaker 1>person's butt with skin of a skin tone darker than

518
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<v Speaker 1>her own. The person the butt was leaning towards the

519
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<v Speaker 1>sink and do there was like a half wall that

520
00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:04.319
<v Speaker 1>blot blocked most of her view. She could not see

521
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<v Speaker 1>the person's upper body, and she could not see Colleen.

522
00:25:07.559 --> 00:25:09.519
<v Speaker 1>She couldnt see it. She didn't see any blood or

523
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<v Speaker 1>anything out of the ordinary other than the butt, and

524
00:25:12.559 --> 00:25:15.960
<v Speaker 1>simply thought that she walked in on like a student

525
00:25:16.039 --> 00:25:22.920
<v Speaker 1>changing or something, and left and found another bathroom. Shit. Yeah,

526
00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:25.160
<v Speaker 1>so at this point though, that was the dude, like

527
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<v Speaker 1>cleaning up is what it was.

528
00:25:26.519 --> 00:25:27.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking.

529
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<v Speaker 1>Sure, So at this point, sure, Philip thinks that he's

530
00:25:35.279 --> 00:25:37.759
<v Speaker 1>been caught, right, Like, he wasn't finished at this point,

531
00:25:38.720 --> 00:25:42.799
<v Speaker 1>so caught doing exactly what you're probably wondering. But for now,

532
00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:46.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna let your imaginations go. So Philip exits

533
00:25:46.480 --> 00:25:50.960
<v Speaker 1>the bathroom and the process of him hiding his crime start,

534
00:25:51.319 --> 00:25:53.759
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, honestly enough to make you ill, Like

535
00:25:53.759 --> 00:25:55.559
<v Speaker 1>a lots of times when I'm researching, I just feel ill.

536
00:25:55.640 --> 00:25:57.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that's normal, but I'm like.

537
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<v Speaker 2>We're researching some dark stuff. I know, like it's it's

538
00:26:01.400 --> 00:26:01.880
<v Speaker 2>pretty good.

539
00:26:01.880 --> 00:26:05.119
<v Speaker 1>I love true crime and stuff. But then just like

540
00:26:05.319 --> 00:26:08.000
<v Speaker 1>getting down deep into it, well, and.

541
00:26:07.960 --> 00:26:11.680
<v Speaker 2>Even sometimes a lot, Yeah, it is, But even sometimes,

542
00:26:11.720 --> 00:26:16.039
<v Speaker 2>like you, we're reading up on how these things were done,

543
00:26:16.160 --> 00:26:18.319
<v Speaker 2>and we're not trying to copy articles word for word

544
00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:21.680
<v Speaker 2>or anything, so we are trying to describe it in

545
00:26:21.720 --> 00:26:24.920
<v Speaker 2>our own ways. So we're trying to picture it, reimagine it,

546
00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:27.319
<v Speaker 2>and then put it into words, which makes it like

547
00:26:27.359 --> 00:26:29.240
<v Speaker 2>that much more heavy when we're researching.

548
00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:32.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like you're reading something and then you digest it

549
00:26:32.559 --> 00:26:35.160
<v Speaker 1>and then you spill it out in your own words

550
00:26:35.200 --> 00:26:37.400
<v Speaker 1>kind of thing. So yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot.

551
00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:39.799
<v Speaker 1>Before I finished just researching this today and I had

552
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<v Speaker 1>to go have a hot shower before it was like,

553
00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:43.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean, did.

554
00:26:43.240 --> 00:26:45.160
<v Speaker 2>You look behind you before you went in the bathroom?

555
00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:47.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, no, shit, I didn't.

556
00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:49.440
<v Speaker 2>What if Kiwi was following you?

557
00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:54.799
<v Speaker 1>I know. Okay, So he exits the bathroom still wearing

558
00:26:54.799 --> 00:26:57.799
<v Speaker 1>the blue sweatshirt he entered the bathroom wearing, and was

559
00:26:57.839 --> 00:27:02.480
<v Speaker 1>now carrying Colleen's black pants over his arm. He also

560
00:27:02.559 --> 00:27:05.960
<v Speaker 1>had her underwear in his possession, so there's a big

561
00:27:05.960 --> 00:27:08.119
<v Speaker 1>old hint of what might have went down in there.

562
00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:13.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The button shit, Yeah, now, I'm certain to I

563
00:27:13.839 --> 00:27:16.000
<v Speaker 2>kind of thought of that, but I was really hoping not.

564
00:27:16.599 --> 00:27:19.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, he did it. He had blood on his

565
00:27:19.400 --> 00:27:22.559
<v Speaker 1>right hand, but no obvious blood was seen on him

566
00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:25.279
<v Speaker 1>other than that. He was quick to walk down the

567
00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:29.519
<v Speaker 1>hallway and stairs and exit the building. A student's mother

568
00:27:29.680 --> 00:27:32.440
<v Speaker 1>waiting in her car saw Philip crouched down in the bushes.

569
00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:35.480
<v Speaker 1>She said he was changing or pulling up his pants

570
00:27:35.599 --> 00:27:37.559
<v Speaker 1>or something and looking around as if to check to

571
00:27:37.599 --> 00:27:41.440
<v Speaker 1>see if anyone was watching him. He then walked up

572
00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:44.440
<v Speaker 1>the sidewalk back to the and back to the school.

573
00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:47.039
<v Speaker 1>He had removed his hoodie and was now wearing a

574
00:27:47.079 --> 00:27:51.480
<v Speaker 1>white T shirt and no longer carrying Colleen's pants. So

575
00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:53.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of like coughing still, So I do take a.

576
00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:59.000
<v Speaker 2>Drink a drinking game. Every time Nicole coughs, you take.

577
00:27:58.880 --> 00:28:01.720
<v Speaker 1>A drunk, well, like this is the longest cold in history. Hey,

578
00:28:01.720 --> 00:28:06.839
<v Speaker 1>but the cough usually hangs on. Yeah, yeah, it's a

579
00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:09.640
<v Speaker 1>little bit annoying. Kicking his ass though, you don't get baby, Yeah,

580
00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:13.039
<v Speaker 1>I am okay. So, as he entered the school once again,

581
00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:17.839
<v Speaker 1>he ran back up to Colling's second floor classroom, and

582
00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:19.960
<v Speaker 1>we so we know this. This is where I was

583
00:28:19.960 --> 00:28:22.400
<v Speaker 1>going to say it because of like the camera's filming

584
00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:24.440
<v Speaker 1>in the hallways and such, right, mm hmmm, so they

585
00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:28.519
<v Speaker 1>had a security system. Basically, he was quick to emerge

586
00:28:28.519 --> 00:28:32.240
<v Speaker 1>from the classroom now with his his red sweatshirt over

587
00:28:32.279 --> 00:28:35.440
<v Speaker 1>his head and carrying collings, black tote bag and lunch

588
00:28:35.480 --> 00:28:38.480
<v Speaker 1>bag and his own backpack. So he went and grabbed

589
00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:42.599
<v Speaker 1>her shit, which I for as long as when I

590
00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:44.960
<v Speaker 1>read that, I was like, that's so fucked. But I guess,

591
00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:47.279
<v Speaker 1>I guess you would. I don't know.

592
00:28:46.519 --> 00:28:49.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he's not going to be able to hide, Like,

593
00:28:49.680 --> 00:28:51.559
<v Speaker 2>what's he going to do. It's an active school. He's

594
00:28:51.559 --> 00:28:52.960
<v Speaker 2>not gonna be able to drag the body out and

595
00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:53.799
<v Speaker 2>hide it somewhere.

596
00:28:54.519 --> 00:28:55.119
<v Speaker 1>Oh he does?

597
00:28:55.519 --> 00:29:00.359
<v Speaker 2>Really did he not get seen other than the cameras?

598
00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:01.720
<v Speaker 2>But how did he not have someone see it?

599
00:29:01.880 --> 00:29:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Just you wait, just you wait.

600
00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:07.359
<v Speaker 2>Because my thought, my thought process was there's no way

601
00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:11.680
<v Speaker 2>he can drag a body out of the bathroom. So

602
00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:13.359
<v Speaker 2>if you can't drag a body out of the bathroom,

603
00:29:13.400 --> 00:29:15.599
<v Speaker 2>what's the point of dragging the possessions out because she's

604
00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:16.359
<v Speaker 2>going to be found.

605
00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:20.680
<v Speaker 1>Oh, she leaves the bathroom. She leaves the bathroom. Okay,

606
00:29:24.240 --> 00:29:27.200
<v Speaker 1>the next sentence has a very big hint. So he

607
00:29:27.279 --> 00:29:31.720
<v Speaker 1>walked down the stairway well carrying her items and headed

608
00:29:31.759 --> 00:29:36.920
<v Speaker 1>towards the school's recycling bins where this recycling bins are

609
00:29:36.920 --> 00:29:40.880
<v Speaker 1>stored and ditch the items that he was holding and

610
00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:43.720
<v Speaker 1>put on his red T shirt and a black bella

611
00:29:43.799 --> 00:29:48.240
<v Speaker 1>clava face mask. He was headed back. I like, what's

612
00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:52.119
<v Speaker 1>the point in disguising yourself, especially at this point too,

613
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:55.039
<v Speaker 1>But he is still he's still doing that. So he

614
00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:58.039
<v Speaker 1>had a backupstairs to the bathroom calling was in when

615
00:29:58.039 --> 00:30:00.319
<v Speaker 1>he came across his friend. He was looking for him.

616
00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:04.960
<v Speaker 1>So his friend's name is Ramsey, I think, and Ramsey

617
00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:07.480
<v Speaker 1>was waiting for him because they were supposed to meet

618
00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:11.200
<v Speaker 1>before soccer practice started at four, just to like pre practice,

619
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<v Speaker 1>I guess. Okay, So Ramsey had been waiting for him

620
00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:16.200
<v Speaker 1>in the soccer fields, but when he didn't arrive, he

621
00:30:16.279 --> 00:30:19.240
<v Speaker 1>went looking for him. So like Phillips grew up there,

622
00:30:19.240 --> 00:30:23.400
<v Speaker 1>I feel like kidding and as if to lead Ramsey

623
00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:27.200
<v Speaker 1>away from the bathroom, Philip sort of like walking backwards

624
00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:30.200
<v Speaker 1>facing Ramsey, but leading him away from the crime scene.

625
00:30:31.960 --> 00:30:34.640
<v Speaker 1>And just like, no, I'm not even gonna say that,

626
00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:38.039
<v Speaker 1>that might give away too much. So Ramsey noticed Philip

627
00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:41.440
<v Speaker 1>was sweating and kind of like looking scared and asked, well,

628
00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:43.640
<v Speaker 1>what are you doing? Like, what are you doing? Man? Like,

629
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<v Speaker 1>what's going on? So Philip saying he had just lost

630
00:30:46.640 --> 00:30:48.880
<v Speaker 1>something and couldn't find it. He told his friend not

631
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:50.480
<v Speaker 1>to worry about it and to go back to the

632
00:30:50.480 --> 00:30:53.680
<v Speaker 1>soccer field and he would be there shortly. But Ramsey

633
00:30:53.759 --> 00:30:55.920
<v Speaker 1>was a good friend and he asked what he lost

634
00:30:55.960 --> 00:30:58.799
<v Speaker 1>and can he help him. Philip said it was nothing

635
00:30:58.839 --> 00:31:01.319
<v Speaker 1>and again told Ramsey to head to the soccer field.

636
00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:05.599
<v Speaker 1>He then began to jog away from Ramsey, so like

637
00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:09.920
<v Speaker 1>run away from him, but Ramsey followed him downstairs, saw

638
00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:13.160
<v Speaker 1>Philip grab a recycling bin and head towards the elevator,

639
00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:17.640
<v Speaker 1>asking him what he was doing. But again same response,

640
00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:19.839
<v Speaker 1>So he listened to Philip this time and headed to

641
00:31:19.880 --> 00:31:20.559
<v Speaker 1>the soccer field.

642
00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:24.160
<v Speaker 2>None of that seems suspicious as fuck to him, like

643
00:31:24.440 --> 00:31:28.680
<v Speaker 2>a gonna do. Your friend's wearing a bella clava after

644
00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:33.559
<v Speaker 2>school hours, sweating, walking backwards or making eye contact with you,

645
00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:36.240
<v Speaker 2>say oh, don't worry, I just lost something. Go back

646
00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:37.920
<v Speaker 2>to the soccer field and you're like, oh, I'll help

647
00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:40.039
<v Speaker 2>you find it. No, it's nothing, I got it.

648
00:31:40.119 --> 00:31:42.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But what would you do. What would you do?

649
00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:45.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, tell a fucking teacher.

650
00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:52.039
<v Speaker 1>I guess, I mean, I guess that's one thing you

651
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:52.440
<v Speaker 1>could do.

652
00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:55.640
<v Speaker 2>Someone's acting real suspicious in the hallway, wearing a Bella Clova,

653
00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:57.440
<v Speaker 2>sweating and trying.

654
00:31:57.519 --> 00:32:00.359
<v Speaker 1>And grabbing a recycling bit like I don't know, cause yeah,

655
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:03.440
<v Speaker 1>he grabs his fucking recycling bin and goes into the

656
00:32:03.440 --> 00:32:05.319
<v Speaker 1>elevator to like bring it upstairs.

657
00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:08.240
<v Speaker 2>So he's gonna he's gonna go dismember her and shove

658
00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:10.000
<v Speaker 2>her in a garbage can and wheel her out.

659
00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:12.519
<v Speaker 1>Hey, I don't think he needed to dismember, No, he doesn't.

660
00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:15.200
<v Speaker 1>Just she just fits in there. Oh really okay, Like

661
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:17.119
<v Speaker 1>it's like our garbage bin outside. I think a body

662
00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:19.440
<v Speaker 1>would fit in there, Not that I've ever thought about that,

663
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:20.839
<v Speaker 1>it would.

664
00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:26.319
<v Speaker 2>Wow. If you guys ever, just I'm gone, I'm missing

665
00:32:26.359 --> 00:32:29.599
<v Speaker 2>one day. Please check our garbage can.

666
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:31.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, I don't even know if you can

667
00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:34.759
<v Speaker 1>get away with that. Well, anyway, he was in the

668
00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:39.920
<v Speaker 1>bathroom for or where am I here? Okay, there am

669
00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:42.519
<v Speaker 1>So He's in the bathroom for several minutes before rolling

670
00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:45.359
<v Speaker 1>the bin outside of the of the bathroom into the

671
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:49.519
<v Speaker 1>elevator and out of the school, appearing calm and undisturbed.

672
00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:53.559
<v Speaker 1>At this point, he was seen by many people rolling

673
00:32:53.599 --> 00:32:58.319
<v Speaker 1>this bin wear is mel Haveva outside the school and

674
00:32:58.359 --> 00:33:01.039
<v Speaker 1>attempting to take it up a rocky steep incline into

675
00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:06.359
<v Speaker 1>the woods behind the school. Like a lot of people

676
00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:10.200
<v Speaker 1>saw him doing this. But I think, I don't know,

677
00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:12.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Kids are kind of weird, right, so

678
00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:15.400
<v Speaker 1>maybe you're just like, I don't know, I.

679
00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:19.200
<v Speaker 2>Can understand, like, Okay, people are seeing it, and it's

680
00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:22.039
<v Speaker 2>like they're gonna think nothing of it. But they're gonna

681
00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:24.119
<v Speaker 2>think something of it when a body's found a couple

682
00:33:24.200 --> 00:33:24.640
<v Speaker 2>days later.

683
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:27.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, then they're gonna definitely be like, okay, yeah

684
00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:28.920
<v Speaker 1>that was actually really fucked up.

685
00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:32.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you don't want people seeing that ship because

686
00:33:32.920 --> 00:33:35.880
<v Speaker 2>they're going to connect the dots, like, my man, what

687
00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:36.480
<v Speaker 2>are you doing?

688
00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:38.759
<v Speaker 1>Because so he couldn't get it up the hill, Like

689
00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:40.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like her body's in there, like it weighs

690
00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:43.039
<v Speaker 1>a lot. It's weighs more like she's not like it

691
00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:47.279
<v Speaker 1>doesn't weighs a lot, but like it it's.

692
00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:49.519
<v Speaker 2>A full grown adult and a child is trying to

693
00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:51.640
<v Speaker 2>move this up a hill through rocks.

694
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:53.839
<v Speaker 1>Is that what you're trying to say basically, oh yeah.

695
00:33:53.920 --> 00:33:55.720
<v Speaker 1>So then he ends up taking it to like another

696
00:33:55.759 --> 00:33:57.599
<v Speaker 1>section of the woods, so like yeah, people are like

697
00:33:57.680 --> 00:34:01.240
<v Speaker 1>that is just like I don't know what I I

698
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:04.079
<v Speaker 1>just let that go. But then like what then you're

699
00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:06.119
<v Speaker 1>think you're a crazy person, Like you're gonna call this school,

700
00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:08.559
<v Speaker 1>like I just saw this this kid, Like I.

701
00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:10.440
<v Speaker 2>Don't know, I would think it's probably just some kids

702
00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:11.159
<v Speaker 2>stealing a bin.

703
00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:12.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there you go.

704
00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:16.800
<v Speaker 2>But then it's like, Okay, a body's found. Well actually

705
00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:17.360
<v Speaker 2>it's a kid.

706
00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:19.559
<v Speaker 1>But then then you'd probably be like kind of like shit,

707
00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:21.000
<v Speaker 1>I should have said something anyway.

708
00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:22.559
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, then you say something.

709
00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:25.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah at that point, but it's too late. So he

710
00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:28.679
<v Speaker 1>was in the woods for twenty five minutes. And here's

711
00:34:28.719 --> 00:34:31.559
<v Speaker 1>where I'll start to share what kind of went down,

712
00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:34.800
<v Speaker 1>because I made you steal on it long enough. Okay,

713
00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:40.480
<v Speaker 1>So from the autopsy performed, so yes, Colling does die,

714
00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:45.039
<v Speaker 1>and the forensic evidence and crime scene photographs, here's what happened.

715
00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:46.800
<v Speaker 2>Can I can I ask a quick question?

716
00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:47.320
<v Speaker 1>Of course?

717
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:49.719
<v Speaker 2>How is she found? How is your body found?

718
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:52.159
<v Speaker 1>Oh we'll get there, man, Oh okay, we'll get there. Okay,

719
00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:54.719
<v Speaker 1>you don't get to know that yet well, sorry, just

720
00:34:54.760 --> 00:34:55.480
<v Speaker 1>calm yourself.

721
00:34:56.880 --> 00:34:58.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm calm, I'm calm.

722
00:34:58.639 --> 00:35:03.039
<v Speaker 1>Okay. So Philip, he's an athlete and physically larger actually

723
00:35:03.039 --> 00:35:06.159
<v Speaker 1>than Colleen. Colleen I think was like five six or something,

724
00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:08.880
<v Speaker 1>but like at fourteen, like this dude, I guess he

725
00:35:08.920 --> 00:35:10.239
<v Speaker 1>had grown and he was like tall.

726
00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:13.519
<v Speaker 2>I was just expecting some little shrimp like an adult.

727
00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:17.320
<v Speaker 1>Okay, now he was tall, so he quickly overwhelmed her

728
00:35:17.320 --> 00:35:22.760
<v Speaker 1>in the bathroom. The autopsy revealed pinpoint hemorrhaging on Colleen's

729
00:35:23.239 --> 00:35:28.360
<v Speaker 1>face okay, and around her eyes and mouth, showing that

730
00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:34.559
<v Speaker 1>Philip had initially strangled Colleen while presumably raping her, as

731
00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:39.360
<v Speaker 1>his sperm cells were found inside her body. Philip also

732
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:44.159
<v Speaker 1>repeatedly stabbed and sliced Colleen's necks neck with the box

733
00:35:44.159 --> 00:35:48.000
<v Speaker 1>cutter he had. And when I say like stabbed and sliced,

734
00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:52.840
<v Speaker 1>like he went to town, which is unfortunate.

735
00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:56.360
<v Speaker 2>Like multiple times and deep or like one like over.

736
00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:02.039
<v Speaker 1>Repeatedly over areas and stuff. It was also so it

737
00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:06.920
<v Speaker 1>was impossible to determine definitively how many times Philip applied

738
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:09.679
<v Speaker 1>the box cutter blade to her neck because portions of

739
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:12.800
<v Speaker 1>the neck were penetrated or slashed again and again and

740
00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:19.320
<v Speaker 1>again and again in so many overlapping locations basically, but

741
00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:23.559
<v Speaker 1>there were sixteen distinct neck wounds, many of them would

742
00:36:23.559 --> 00:36:26.920
<v Speaker 1>have caused death. So I'm like, no medical expert. I

743
00:36:26.960 --> 00:36:29.039
<v Speaker 1>feel like it'd be helpful being a medical excerpt, but

744
00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:31.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm not, so I don't know a lot about like

745
00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:34.559
<v Speaker 1>the different areas of the neck. But he cut through

746
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:40.599
<v Speaker 1>colleens cart how do you say that one carartid artery

747
00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:43.360
<v Speaker 1>carotid carartid artery? So am I saying that right now?

748
00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:44.639
<v Speaker 2>Carotid arate?

749
00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:49.159
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, we should be making light of this. Her

750
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:54.039
<v Speaker 1>trache yet and nicked her vertebrae, So like some serious

751
00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:56.960
<v Speaker 1>force would have had to been like used because it's

752
00:36:57.000 --> 00:36:59.000
<v Speaker 1>not like he was just cutting through like skin and muscle,

753
00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:01.079
<v Speaker 1>like he was gotten through shit, and like the blood

754
00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:06.239
<v Speaker 1>right for cutting through the artery would be like intensive, I imagine.

755
00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:09.599
<v Speaker 2>Definitely well, and like your artery connects directly to your

756
00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:13.119
<v Speaker 2>heart and so when your heart pumps, yeah, you get

757
00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:15.599
<v Speaker 2>a pump of blood through your artery, so it's.

758
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:19.159
<v Speaker 1>Like, yeah, I was gonna I was gonna say this later,

759
00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:20.719
<v Speaker 1>but I'll just say it now. So like I don't

760
00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:24.960
<v Speaker 1>because there there's a gray area if she was like

761
00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:29.800
<v Speaker 1>dead before she got into taken to the woods. Okay,

762
00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:32.559
<v Speaker 1>but like for that that student to have come in

763
00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:36.440
<v Speaker 1>and not have like seen much blood or like for Philip,

764
00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:38.639
<v Speaker 1>he had left the bathroom and on camera like only

765
00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:41.159
<v Speaker 1>had a little bit of blood on his hand. It

766
00:37:41.199 --> 00:37:43.719
<v Speaker 1>almost makes you seem like she was only really strangled

767
00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:44.119
<v Speaker 1>in there.

768
00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:46.920
<v Speaker 2>Maybe you know, maybe a bit of.

769
00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Cutting, but not a lot, I don't think, and she

770
00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:50.039
<v Speaker 1>could have still been alive.

771
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:52.760
<v Speaker 2>Well do you go into the crime scene at all?

772
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:53.880
<v Speaker 2>How much blood was in the bathroom?

773
00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:57.199
<v Speaker 1>There's not really ever said like anywhere where there's a

774
00:37:57.199 --> 00:38:00.360
<v Speaker 1>shit ton of blood really, yeah.

775
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:01.239
<v Speaker 2>Because like that's gonna.

776
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:03.440
<v Speaker 1>Be a lot of work, like a lot and like

777
00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:06.800
<v Speaker 1>Philip never had very much time to clean anything up.

778
00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:10.280
<v Speaker 1>But then and there was one report, like there's different

779
00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:13.239
<v Speaker 1>there's always like different reports, right, And there was one

780
00:38:14.039 --> 00:38:18.320
<v Speaker 1>where it did say the janitor he there was miscommunication

781
00:38:18.440 --> 00:38:21.800
<v Speaker 1>because he was foreign or something. He ended up cleaning

782
00:38:21.880 --> 00:38:24.480
<v Speaker 1>up the crime scene. But I'm like, dude, if this

783
00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:29.119
<v Speaker 1>janitor goes into the into a bathroom that's there's blood everywhere,

784
00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:30.960
<v Speaker 1>Like I don't think he's going to just clean it up.

785
00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't think he's gonna be like, yeah, okay,

786
00:38:33.119 --> 00:38:34.119
<v Speaker 2>like I'm going to clean the ship.

787
00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:37.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like I I just don't think that he would,

788
00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:41.400
<v Speaker 1>like even if there was like a miscommunication, I just don't.

789
00:38:41.639 --> 00:38:42.039
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

790
00:38:42.199 --> 00:38:43.960
<v Speaker 2>I can see if it's like maybe oh, there's a

791
00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:45.960
<v Speaker 2>little bit of blood student had a nose bleed and

792
00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:48.159
<v Speaker 2>he mops that up or something, but like if there's

793
00:38:48.280 --> 00:38:50.679
<v Speaker 2>arterial spray in puddles, no.

794
00:38:51.159 --> 00:38:53.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I mean Philip could have had some time

795
00:38:53.800 --> 00:38:56.199
<v Speaker 1>to clean it up. But so yeah, I don't think.

796
00:38:56.639 --> 00:39:00.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it all was in the bathroom. It's

797
00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:03.159
<v Speaker 1>just my opinion, my guess.

798
00:39:03.440 --> 00:39:05.719
<v Speaker 2>Because I'm going to say that she was strangled enough

799
00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:09.119
<v Speaker 2>that she was unconscious, relocated to the woods, and then

800
00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:11.760
<v Speaker 2>she was out there, discovered, he discovered she was still alive,

801
00:39:12.280 --> 00:39:14.800
<v Speaker 2>cut her throat out there, and I'm assuming that she

802
00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:18.239
<v Speaker 2>was left for at least long enough for blood to

803
00:39:18.320 --> 00:39:21.079
<v Speaker 2>soak in the ground, rain to wash it away, maybe

804
00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:22.360
<v Speaker 2>animals to get to it.

805
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:26.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I guess technically you may not even find

806
00:39:26.519 --> 00:39:28.360
<v Speaker 1>a lot of blood out there something.

807
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:31.719
<v Speaker 2>So again, as a hunter, it doesn't take much for

808
00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:34.119
<v Speaker 2>blood to soak in the ground and for rain to

809
00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:34.960
<v Speaker 2>wash blood away.

810
00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:40.920
<v Speaker 1>But then say, if he killed her like by strangulation, yeah,

811
00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:44.400
<v Speaker 1>and then did all this cutting in the woods, but

812
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:47.639
<v Speaker 1>she was already dead, would it bleed much? It would Yeah,

813
00:39:47.679 --> 00:39:49.360
<v Speaker 1>it's still would bleed, Yeah, you would.

814
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:52.159
<v Speaker 2>You'd have some coagulation in the blood. There would be

815
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:55.400
<v Speaker 2>some lumps and chunkiness basically, but yeah, there there would

816
00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:58.480
<v Speaker 2>be liquid blood for quite something, yeah something.

817
00:39:58.519 --> 00:40:01.039
<v Speaker 1>So I think like if he really was cutting her

818
00:40:01.079 --> 00:40:05.039
<v Speaker 1>neck a lot in those areas in the bathroom, like

819
00:40:05.320 --> 00:40:06.920
<v Speaker 1>you would have known about it. Like, I don't think

820
00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:09.880
<v Speaker 1>you would have gotten that cleaned up. Were so anyway, anyway,

821
00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:11.480
<v Speaker 1>let's just carry on with the story.

822
00:40:11.920 --> 00:40:12.960
<v Speaker 2>We're really getting technical.

823
00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:17.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so Colleen ultimately died of sharp force injuries to

824
00:40:17.480 --> 00:40:21.440
<v Speaker 1>the neck and strangulation. The two causes of death were

825
00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:26.119
<v Speaker 1>basically determined because the sharp force injuries and this the

826
00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:30.679
<v Speaker 1>like afphixiation were each lethal, and there was no way

827
00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:32.840
<v Speaker 1>to precisely like sequence.

828
00:40:32.639 --> 00:40:34.920
<v Speaker 2>The events, Yeah, which one occurred first or anything.

829
00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:38.159
<v Speaker 1>However, it was said that one could draw the conclusion

830
00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:43.559
<v Speaker 1>that strangulation was inflicted first because the difficulty one may

831
00:40:43.639 --> 00:40:47.159
<v Speaker 1>have strangling a neck that was in the condition of colleens.

832
00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:50.039
<v Speaker 1>So I'm like, oh, that's a visual one and a half,

833
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:54.159
<v Speaker 1>thank you, no kidding. And here is where I was

834
00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:56.400
<v Speaker 1>going to say, It's unclear if Calling would have still

835
00:40:56.400 --> 00:40:59.880
<v Speaker 1>been alive when she was put into the recycling bin.

836
00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:05.320
<v Speaker 1>So this is where oh my goodness, Okay, So Philip

837
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:10.199
<v Speaker 1>has brought her into the woods and positioned Collin's body

838
00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:13.159
<v Speaker 1>on the ground, on her back in the frame of

839
00:41:13.199 --> 00:41:17.559
<v Speaker 1>a fallen section of fence. He had her purple shirt

840
00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:21.480
<v Speaker 1>an undershirt pushed up and her broad down so her

841
00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:25.960
<v Speaker 1>breasts were exposed. She was also like had no pants on, right,

842
00:41:26.960 --> 00:41:31.320
<v Speaker 1>and her legs were spread open, and he had a

843
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:36.719
<v Speaker 1>stick a twig inside her. So he also, this motherfucker

844
00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:39.119
<v Speaker 1>raped her with an inanimate object.

845
00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:42.159
<v Speaker 2>Fuck fucking Fillip, Like.

846
00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:47.400
<v Speaker 1>Isn't that Like he's fourteen, Like that's just disgusting discuss anyone,

847
00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:50.000
<v Speaker 1>for anyone, let alone a child. But it's just like,

848
00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:51.800
<v Speaker 1>I just think back to what was I doing when

849
00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:54.519
<v Speaker 1>I was fourteen, and I like, I just don't think

850
00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:56.719
<v Speaker 1>I could even have imagined something like that.

851
00:41:56.920 --> 00:41:59.280
<v Speaker 2>I was scooting around on my skateboard, playing Pokemon on

852
00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:01.760
<v Speaker 2>my game Boy, Like that's what I was doing at fourtune.

853
00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:07.559
<v Speaker 1>Oh my word, Okay, So the recyclingment was discarded, along

854
00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:11.599
<v Speaker 1>with his black backpack, to white gloves, to black socks,

855
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:14.440
<v Speaker 1>and a fold of note reading I hate you all.

856
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:21.239
<v Speaker 1>It's believed Philip inflicted some of the injuries to colling

857
00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:24.320
<v Speaker 1>neck in the bathroom, given how many wounds there is,

858
00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:29.039
<v Speaker 1>but the depth of them, some of them were done outside.

859
00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:31.320
<v Speaker 1>So sorry, I actually think we already kind of talked

860
00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:32.880
<v Speaker 1>about this. I sort of skipped ahead here.

861
00:42:33.119 --> 00:42:36.199
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean he did, like go ahead and rape

862
00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:36.639
<v Speaker 2>her with.

863
00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:39.880
<v Speaker 1>A stick, so he were in there twenty five.

864
00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:42.480
<v Speaker 2>Minutes, but I mean like in the woods. Oh sorry, yeah,

865
00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:44.599
<v Speaker 2>twenty five minutes in the woods. So if he's going

866
00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:47.320
<v Speaker 2>to go ahead and position her, spend the time to

867
00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:52.400
<v Speaker 2>do that and do ridiculously gross things with inanimate objects,

868
00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:55.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure he went to town with a knife again too, probably,

869
00:42:56.079 --> 00:42:56.639
<v Speaker 2>Like it's.

870
00:42:56.480 --> 00:43:00.440
<v Speaker 1>Just so disrespectful, Like, I mean, it's just disgusting.

871
00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:01.280
<v Speaker 2>It's horrifically disgusting.

872
00:43:01.679 --> 00:43:05.559
<v Speaker 1>So before leaving Colleen's body, like, yeah, he's gross.

873
00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:09.199
<v Speaker 2>He's not even recycled being worthy, he's trash worthy.

874
00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:13.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like it's it's gross. It's just gross. So he

875
00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:17.159
<v Speaker 1>then covered her body up with like leaves and forest

876
00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:20.960
<v Speaker 1>debris and left her there. So when he emerged from

877
00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:23.639
<v Speaker 1>the woods, he was barefoot with the front of his

878
00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:27.119
<v Speaker 1>jeans soaked with blood. So that's why I think a

879
00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:30.079
<v Speaker 1>lot more shit happened in there. He returned to school,

880
00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:33.519
<v Speaker 1>collected some additional belongings from his locker, changed out of

881
00:43:33.559 --> 00:43:36.880
<v Speaker 1>his bloody pants into shorts, and briefly re entered the

882
00:43:36.920 --> 00:43:40.199
<v Speaker 1>second girls the second floor girls bathroom, or like the

883
00:43:40.199 --> 00:43:44.320
<v Speaker 1>crime scene happened. He then exited the school and re

884
00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:49.519
<v Speaker 1>entered the woods for an additional twelve minutes. Fucker in

885
00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:52.800
<v Speaker 1>and out, I know. Oh, he's even more so. So

886
00:43:52.840 --> 00:43:56.559
<v Speaker 1>then he returns to the school once again, travels around

887
00:43:56.639 --> 00:43:59.760
<v Speaker 1>various places on the scroll grounds, and then runs into

888
00:43:59.840 --> 00:44:04.400
<v Speaker 1>like another friend named Kevin, who he knew from church activities.

889
00:44:05.079 --> 00:44:07.559
<v Speaker 1>Kevin said they had a normal conversation and Philip seemed

890
00:44:07.599 --> 00:44:10.039
<v Speaker 1>his normal self, which is like, seriously, he just like

891
00:44:10.119 --> 00:44:14.920
<v Speaker 1>killed his fucking teacher. Apparently Kevin had texted Philip earlier,

892
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:17.320
<v Speaker 1>but Philip didn't answer, and he just said it was

893
00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:20.000
<v Speaker 1>because he ran out of minutes, not because he just

894
00:44:20.079 --> 00:44:24.400
<v Speaker 1>murdered his fucking teacher. Philip had a snack and left

895
00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:26.599
<v Speaker 1>the school grounds around five four thirty five.

896
00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:29.880
<v Speaker 2>So is he just chilling, just hanging around just because

897
00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:30.480
<v Speaker 2>just like.

898
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:32.960
<v Speaker 1>Constantly wandering all over the place, like he was just.

899
00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:35.280
<v Speaker 2>All over the fucking So he wasn't doing anything particular,

900
00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:37.079
<v Speaker 2>he was just wandering chilling.

901
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:40.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, like I'm sure he had a mission. Like he

902
00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:42.320
<v Speaker 1>like he went back to the bathroom, He went to

903
00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:45.119
<v Speaker 1>his locker, he changed, He went back to his friend,

904
00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:45.960
<v Speaker 1>he had a snack.

905
00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:47.719
<v Speaker 2>Like, yeah, he went to the locker to get his

906
00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:49.719
<v Speaker 2>fucking fruit roll up and walk around.

907
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:56.039
<v Speaker 1>And change his fucking soaked ass jeans. Jeez, later, kid, Oh,

908
00:44:56.519 --> 00:44:57.400
<v Speaker 1>he's making you angry.

909
00:44:57.559 --> 00:44:58.960
<v Speaker 2>He made me really angry.

910
00:44:59.519 --> 00:45:02.079
<v Speaker 1>Later that evening, when he didn't return home, Philip's mum

911
00:45:02.199 --> 00:45:06.199
<v Speaker 1>reported him missing. She was in touch with his soccer coach,

912
00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:08.880
<v Speaker 1>who said he didn't show up to practice, so a

913
00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:12.679
<v Speaker 1>search began for him. Colleen's parents were also worried at

914
00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:15.360
<v Speaker 1>this time because Colleen was like a real creature of

915
00:45:15.440 --> 00:45:18.079
<v Speaker 1>habit and would arrive home pretty much every day at

916
00:45:18.119 --> 00:45:21.480
<v Speaker 1>relatively the same time around three point thirty. She would

917
00:45:21.679 --> 00:45:24.480
<v Speaker 1>always go find her mom, who worked from home, and like,

918
00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:26.599
<v Speaker 1>ask her mom how her day went, and tell her

919
00:45:26.639 --> 00:45:28.559
<v Speaker 1>how her day went. And I was just like, oh,

920
00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:31.320
<v Speaker 1>my heart, that's so kind. Then she'd sit on the

921
00:45:31.320 --> 00:45:33.719
<v Speaker 1>coach and plan her lesson for the next day, and

922
00:45:33.760 --> 00:45:35.880
<v Speaker 1>then the dinner, and then the family would have dinner together.

923
00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:41.119
<v Speaker 1>So Colleen's family headed to the school. You know she

924
00:45:41.159 --> 00:45:44.320
<v Speaker 1>wasn't home, saw that her car was there, still parked

925
00:45:44.320 --> 00:45:46.519
<v Speaker 1>in the parking lot, and her sweater was in her

926
00:45:46.519 --> 00:45:50.519
<v Speaker 1>classroom chair, but nothing else of hers was there. And

927
00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:53.400
<v Speaker 1>her disappearing like this, like without giving them a phone

928
00:45:53.400 --> 00:45:55.599
<v Speaker 1>call or something, was just not like we can already

929
00:45:55.599 --> 00:45:56.960
<v Speaker 1>tell it's it's not on her character.

930
00:45:56.719 --> 00:45:57.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, not like her.

931
00:45:58.119 --> 00:46:00.440
<v Speaker 1>So they had two people missing for ten you're a

932
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:03.880
<v Speaker 1>boy and a twenty four year old teacher, and investigator's

933
00:46:03.920 --> 00:46:06.079
<v Speaker 1>minds are probably just like, what the fuck happened here?

934
00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:06.320
<v Speaker 3>Right?

935
00:46:06.559 --> 00:46:06.920
<v Speaker 4>M hm?

936
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:12.360
<v Speaker 1>So meanwhile, Philip was at the movies. Oh.

937
00:46:13.719 --> 00:46:17.079
<v Speaker 2>One of the biggest things about this is how little

938
00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:20.679
<v Speaker 2>of fucks this I know, fucking TOWRP gives.

939
00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:22.639
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't seem like he gives two fucks.

940
00:46:22.840 --> 00:46:25.559
<v Speaker 2>No, he's in an out of it's just way wandering,

941
00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:28.039
<v Speaker 2>eating a fucking I don't know, oreos, fruit roll up,

942
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:29.559
<v Speaker 2>whatever the fuck, and he's going to the theater.

943
00:46:29.840 --> 00:46:30.519
<v Speaker 1>You ready for this?

944
00:46:30.599 --> 00:46:31.199
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

945
00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:35.440
<v Speaker 1>What So in addition to stealing colleens underwear, he also

946
00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:39.360
<v Speaker 1>stole her iPhone and wallet, and he used her credit

947
00:46:39.440 --> 00:46:41.440
<v Speaker 1>card to buy himself Wendy's.

948
00:46:41.559 --> 00:46:44.360
<v Speaker 2>Of course he fucking did. And that movie ticket, of

949
00:46:44.440 --> 00:46:47.400
<v Speaker 2>course he fucking it. What's the point of even trying

950
00:46:47.440 --> 00:46:48.840
<v Speaker 2>to hide the crime if you're gonna do that?

951
00:46:48.920 --> 00:46:52.760
<v Speaker 1>I know, I know, but I mean, like he's also

952
00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:56.159
<v Speaker 1>like fourteen, I don't know. Then maybe in his brain

953
00:46:56.239 --> 00:46:58.920
<v Speaker 1>he thinks this is that he's doing a good job.

954
00:46:59.880 --> 00:47:03.000
<v Speaker 1>So the investigators, upon their search of the school, did

955
00:47:03.000 --> 00:47:07.880
<v Speaker 1>not or they did find an alarmingly clean bathroom. There

956
00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:12.000
<v Speaker 1>was one very faint, missed, bloody handprint, though, and this

957
00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:15.400
<v Speaker 1>led them to watch the video recording of the hallways,

958
00:47:16.199 --> 00:47:19.480
<v Speaker 1>and this is when they got like a better picture

959
00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:25.119
<v Speaker 1>of the fucking shit show. Yeah, for like example, Colling

960
00:47:25.199 --> 00:47:27.360
<v Speaker 1>went to the bathroom but never came out, and she

961
00:47:27.440 --> 00:47:29.920
<v Speaker 1>wasn't in there, and like a bin, a recycling bin,

962
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:30.719
<v Speaker 1>came out of there.

963
00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:33.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that kind of shit. And then anyone see a

964
00:47:33.559 --> 00:47:36.400
<v Speaker 2>kid with a bella clava wheeling a recycling bin around? Oh,

965
00:47:36.440 --> 00:47:38.599
<v Speaker 2>you mean the one that fucking millions of people saw

966
00:47:38.719 --> 00:47:40.000
<v Speaker 2>going to the backwoods over there.

967
00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:42.159
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, my gosh, it's just it just like makes

968
00:47:42.159 --> 00:47:47.360
<v Speaker 1>your stomach up. So now emong eating Wendy's and being

969
00:47:47.400 --> 00:47:51.039
<v Speaker 1>at the movies. Philip was captured like on numerous cameras

970
00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:56.079
<v Speaker 1>basically around town and other businesses including shoplift, shoplift a

971
00:47:56.159 --> 00:47:59.800
<v Speaker 1>hunting knife. So he's not he's just not a good kid.

972
00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:01.719
<v Speaker 1>And like, I didn't even put this in there, but

973
00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:04.920
<v Speaker 1>like there was apparently like no warning signs of this.

974
00:48:06.159 --> 00:48:06.800
<v Speaker 2>That's crazy.

975
00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:10.039
<v Speaker 1>That's weird, you know, And so that seems weird. I mean,

976
00:48:10.079 --> 00:48:12.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, maybe maybe just turning a blind eye,

977
00:48:12.280 --> 00:48:14.039
<v Speaker 1>but like, this kid's a bad motherfucker.

978
00:48:14.199 --> 00:48:18.840
<v Speaker 2>I think clearly there's something that snapped in him. Like

979
00:48:18.920 --> 00:48:21.679
<v Speaker 2>he left the note I hate you all, leaving a note.

980
00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:23.920
<v Speaker 2>He knows he's gonna get caught. He knows he's gonna

981
00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:27.119
<v Speaker 2>get fast. Yeah, so maybe he's just like, fuck it,

982
00:48:27.159 --> 00:48:28.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna do what I want. I want this knife,

983
00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:30.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna take it. I'm gonna take this cart, go

984
00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:32.800
<v Speaker 2>get Wendy's and movies. I'm gonna get caught. I'm just

985
00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:35.360
<v Speaker 2>gonna live my fucking best life until it happens.

986
00:48:35.440 --> 00:48:39.920
<v Speaker 1>Until Yeah, he was eventually found by some police officers

987
00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:43.880
<v Speaker 1>around midnight. He was walking along a tree line in

988
00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:46.760
<v Speaker 1>a very narrow area of Route one, which I'm assuming

989
00:48:46.840 --> 00:48:50.000
<v Speaker 1>is like a highway and it's generally an unsafe spot

990
00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:53.559
<v Speaker 1>for pedestrians to be walking. So the police officers stopped,

991
00:48:54.159 --> 00:48:56.599
<v Speaker 1>but didn't realize who they were stopping to chat with.

992
00:48:56.920 --> 00:48:58.880
<v Speaker 1>They were just like thinking, oh my god, like, this

993
00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:00.880
<v Speaker 1>person needs to get the fuck up here, it's not safe.

994
00:49:02.199 --> 00:49:05.280
<v Speaker 1>Philip wouldn't make eye contact with the officers. They asked

995
00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:08.079
<v Speaker 1>him where are we going to, which he responded nowhere,

996
00:49:08.760 --> 00:49:11.639
<v Speaker 1>and where he was coming from, which he replied Tennessee,

997
00:49:12.039 --> 00:49:14.960
<v Speaker 1>which is kind of interesting. He did not have any

998
00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:18.800
<v Speaker 1>identification on him and wouldn't give them his home address.

999
00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:22.800
<v Speaker 1>They then patted him down, which revealed a rock in

1000
00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:25.840
<v Speaker 1>one of his pockets, and then the other cards belonged

1001
00:49:25.840 --> 00:49:29.800
<v Speaker 1>to Colleen, like her driver's license and credit card, but

1002
00:49:29.880 --> 00:49:34.159
<v Speaker 1>the name unfortunately didn't mean anything. These were top tops

1003
00:49:34.159 --> 00:49:37.719
<v Speaker 1>Field officers, which is like a neighboring town, so I

1004
00:49:37.719 --> 00:49:39.880
<v Speaker 1>don't know if they were just like out of their

1005
00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:43.880
<v Speaker 1>jurisdiction or if if Philip had like wandered quite far

1006
00:49:43.960 --> 00:49:44.440
<v Speaker 1>or what right.

1007
00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:47.079
<v Speaker 2>Well, either way, it may not have been communicated to

1008
00:49:47.119 --> 00:49:49.719
<v Speaker 2>the neighboring exactly. Yeah.

1009
00:49:49.800 --> 00:49:52.559
<v Speaker 1>So they asked him how he obtained the cards, and

1010
00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:55.280
<v Speaker 1>he said he got them at the stop and shop,

1011
00:49:55.599 --> 00:49:58.320
<v Speaker 1>which I'm assuming is a convenience store, which makes like

1012
00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:01.840
<v Speaker 1>so much sense that you could get that there. Since

1013
00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:05.360
<v Speaker 1>that made okay, my next line, since that made no sense,

1014
00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:09.280
<v Speaker 1>they asked him again and he said from his car

1015
00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:13.440
<v Speaker 1>or from her car, just from her car. So he's

1016
00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:16.840
<v Speaker 1>really like not being freaking healthful at all to these people, which.

1017
00:50:16.639 --> 00:50:18.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean is kind of playing in his own favor.

1018
00:50:18.960 --> 00:50:20.679
<v Speaker 2>The less you talk, the better.

1019
00:50:20.760 --> 00:50:26.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, absolutely, And it's interesting because he kind of

1020
00:50:26.360 --> 00:50:29.519
<v Speaker 1>seemed like he acted that way in Colleen's class, lightly

1021
00:50:29.599 --> 00:50:32.480
<v Speaker 1>too right when she was asking him questions, he kind

1022
00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:34.199
<v Speaker 1>of mumbles, So it almost makes you think he has

1023
00:50:34.239 --> 00:50:38.480
<v Speaker 1>issues with authority, is my personal That's very possible. That's

1024
00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:40.559
<v Speaker 1>kind of like when I was reading, hmm, this guy

1025
00:50:40.599 --> 00:50:44.599
<v Speaker 1>has issues with authority. They also asked what was in

1026
00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:48.280
<v Speaker 1>his back pop in his back his backpack, and he

1027
00:50:48.320 --> 00:50:53.199
<v Speaker 1>said survival gear. Philip did eventually give the officers his name,

1028
00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:55.840
<v Speaker 1>and this is when they realized they were dealing with

1029
00:50:56.440 --> 00:50:59.920
<v Speaker 1>the missile boy and they had recovered the missing teenager.

1030
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:03.440
<v Speaker 1>They're like, whoo wait, So they put him in like

1031
00:51:03.519 --> 00:51:08.400
<v Speaker 1>unrestrained in their cruiser and to keep them warm. Confirmed

1032
00:51:08.400 --> 00:51:11.639
<v Speaker 1>with dispatch that they had the missing teen and transported

1033
00:51:11.719 --> 00:51:15.800
<v Speaker 1>him to the Topsfield police station. Once at the police station,

1034
00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:19.039
<v Speaker 1>they asked Philip if there was anything dangerous inside his

1035
00:51:19.599 --> 00:51:24.119
<v Speaker 1>backpack and he answered yes. So they opened the bag

1036
00:51:24.320 --> 00:51:27.440
<v Speaker 1>to discover receipts from Wendy's and the movie theater. There

1037
00:51:27.559 --> 00:51:32.599
<v Speaker 1>was also a shirt, two rolls of tape, water bottles,

1038
00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:36.280
<v Speaker 1>a white towel, a flashlight, kind of foot powder spray,

1039
00:51:36.360 --> 00:51:38.679
<v Speaker 1>and the hunting knife he had stole earlier in the night.

1040
00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:42.920
<v Speaker 1>Also in the bag were some of Colleen's belongings, keys,

1041
00:51:43.519 --> 00:51:49.800
<v Speaker 1>a wallet, her like makeup bag thing and her underwear

1042
00:51:50.280 --> 00:51:54.440
<v Speaker 1>and the box cutter. Oh go ahead, sorry, putting my

1043
00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:54.800
<v Speaker 1>hand up.

1044
00:51:56.000 --> 00:51:59.920
<v Speaker 2>This kid's running away, is what he's doing. He's walking

1045
00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:02.519
<v Speaker 2>along a highway. Was survival gear. That's why he stole

1046
00:52:02.559 --> 00:52:04.559
<v Speaker 2>the knife, because he's running away. He's just going to

1047
00:52:04.599 --> 00:52:06.199
<v Speaker 2>go sleep in the bush and just run away.

1048
00:52:06.239 --> 00:52:08.480
<v Speaker 1>And oh you think.

1049
00:52:08.480 --> 00:52:12.960
<v Speaker 2>He has survival gear. He's not going home. He's running away.

1050
00:52:13.239 --> 00:52:14.400
<v Speaker 2>He went and killed something.

1051
00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:17.840
<v Speaker 1>That actually makes sense. Nowhere ever, did anyone come up

1052
00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:20.239
<v Speaker 1>with anything like that. But that makes so much sense.

1053
00:52:20.320 --> 00:52:22.599
<v Speaker 1>That's exactly what he Why is he walking along the

1054
00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:23.599
<v Speaker 1>highway and shit.

1055
00:52:23.519 --> 00:52:26.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he had no intention of going home. He's just

1056
00:52:26.119 --> 00:52:29.719
<v Speaker 2>booking her wo and the police caught him on the way.

1057
00:52:29.960 --> 00:52:31.199
<v Speaker 1>Shit, that makes sense.

1058
00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:33.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm smart detectives.

1059
00:52:35.079 --> 00:52:37.960
<v Speaker 1>So the blade of the box cutter was still protruding

1060
00:52:38.360 --> 00:52:41.679
<v Speaker 1>and it was covered in blood. They of course asked

1061
00:52:42.440 --> 00:52:44.639
<v Speaker 1>who the fuck is this like blood on there? Right,

1062
00:52:44.719 --> 00:52:47.840
<v Speaker 1>maybe not that exact wording, and he said it's the girls.

1063
00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:51.920
<v Speaker 1>He was then read his rights as they were starting

1064
00:52:51.920 --> 00:52:54.519
<v Speaker 1>to get the full picture of what happened here. The

1065
00:52:54.639 --> 00:52:57.239
<v Speaker 1>officer then asked whether he knew where the girl was,

1066
00:52:58.000 --> 00:53:00.440
<v Speaker 1>and he said she was buried in the woods, to

1067
00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:04.320
<v Speaker 1>which they're like, holy shit, and asked if they could

1068
00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:07.039
<v Speaker 1>potentially help her if they got to her, and he

1069
00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:07.679
<v Speaker 1>said no.

1070
00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:09.400
<v Speaker 2>Fuck.

1071
00:53:10.840 --> 00:53:13.599
<v Speaker 1>His sweatshirt and sneakers, which had bought on them were

1072
00:53:13.599 --> 00:53:16.840
<v Speaker 1>taken from him and he was transported to the Danvers

1073
00:53:16.880 --> 00:53:22.800
<v Speaker 1>police station and ultimately arrested for Colleens murder. Meanwhile, there

1074
00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:26.320
<v Speaker 1>was a search happening for Colleen. Many of Colleen's colleagues

1075
00:53:26.559 --> 00:53:29.639
<v Speaker 1>and friends were part of the search and the canine

1076
00:53:29.719 --> 00:53:32.800
<v Speaker 1>unit was also called in. So at about three am,

1077
00:53:32.960 --> 00:53:36.760
<v Speaker 1>Colleen's body was found in the woods. When ache with

1078
00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:41.199
<v Speaker 1>pink nail polish was spotted out from the leaves, a

1079
00:53:41.199 --> 00:53:45.320
<v Speaker 1>paramedic was called into the woods. He uncovered Colleen's head

1080
00:53:45.360 --> 00:53:48.480
<v Speaker 1>and torso she had dartened debris in her eyes and airway.

1081
00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:51.840
<v Speaker 1>He checked her heartbeat, but of course it was not

1082
00:53:51.960 --> 00:53:56.320
<v Speaker 1>beating and she was pronounced dead. So Philip was put

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00:53:56.360 --> 00:53:59.840
<v Speaker 1>on trial. There were many evaluations to see if Philip

1084
00:53:59.880 --> 00:54:03.480
<v Speaker 1>was of sound mind basically when committing this like gruesome

1085
00:54:03.519 --> 00:54:07.679
<v Speaker 1>act okay, and so his lawyers definitely argued that he

1086
00:54:07.800 --> 00:54:11.599
<v Speaker 1>was mentally ill at the time, but the jury ultimately

1087
00:54:11.880 --> 00:54:15.559
<v Speaker 1>rejected this and Philip was sentenced good. So he was

1088
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:20.079
<v Speaker 1>sentenced to life in prison with parole eligibility after twenty

1089
00:54:20.119 --> 00:54:23.519
<v Speaker 1>five years for the murder of Colleen. But then he

1090
00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:27.480
<v Speaker 1>was also sentenced to life in prison with parole eligibility

1091
00:54:27.519 --> 00:54:30.840
<v Speaker 1>after twenty years for raping Colleen, and this was to

1092
00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:33.199
<v Speaker 1>be served after the sentence for her murder.

1093
00:54:33.320 --> 00:54:35.039
<v Speaker 2>So he's was he tried as an adult.

1094
00:54:35.119 --> 00:54:38.760
<v Speaker 1>Then, See, that was one thing that was confusing to

1095
00:54:38.840 --> 00:54:43.239
<v Speaker 1>me and I couldn't get the exact answer, because I

1096
00:54:43.280 --> 00:54:47.920
<v Speaker 1>think what happened is some he was tried, some he wasn't,

1097
00:54:48.159 --> 00:54:50.800
<v Speaker 1>and then like he was in state, he did go

1098
00:54:50.880 --> 00:54:56.440
<v Speaker 1>into juvenile jail ye until a certain age or something,

1099
00:54:56.519 --> 00:54:59.400
<v Speaker 1>and then I think he was transferred to like adult jail.

1100
00:54:59.599 --> 00:55:03.559
<v Speaker 2>Okay, adult jail and not what we're in now just

1101
00:55:03.639 --> 00:55:07.039
<v Speaker 2>regular life is adult jails like that.

1102
00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:12.159
<v Speaker 1>He was also sentenced for the armed robbery of like

1103
00:55:12.239 --> 00:55:16.920
<v Speaker 1>Colleen's belongings, I guess, okay, but that was to be

1104
00:55:17.000 --> 00:55:19.840
<v Speaker 1>served at the same time as the above, So his

1105
00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:23.880
<v Speaker 1>original sentenced to a minimum fifty years. See, a lot

1106
00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:27.199
<v Speaker 1>of it was fuzzy, but every report that I found

1107
00:55:27.280 --> 00:55:30.920
<v Speaker 1>after that was saying that he was eligible for parole

1108
00:55:31.079 --> 00:55:33.440
<v Speaker 1>forty years. But I was like, ah, it's fifty, but

1109
00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:39.079
<v Speaker 1>I think the defense attorney asked for it to be forty,

1110
00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:43.280
<v Speaker 1>citing scientific studies that said a juvenile brain is not

1111
00:55:43.320 --> 00:55:46.239
<v Speaker 1>fully developed blah blah blah. So I think that he

1112
00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:48.639
<v Speaker 1>got it like she got it down to forty years.

1113
00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:53.360
<v Speaker 1>So he'll basically be out eligible for parole in his fifties.

1114
00:55:55.159 --> 00:55:57.760
<v Speaker 1>So one more thing to mention, because I'm like, Okay,

1115
00:55:57.800 --> 00:56:00.239
<v Speaker 1>this is like his first defense, you.

1116
00:56:00.199 --> 00:56:03.719
<v Speaker 2>Know, well, there's there's clearly something in his head that

1117
00:56:03.719 --> 00:56:06.760
<v Speaker 2>that went, which is not cool. It's not cool for

1118
00:56:06.800 --> 00:56:08.320
<v Speaker 2>the result of I mean, colleagees.

1119
00:56:08.360 --> 00:56:09.840
<v Speaker 1>And I think he had a lot of rage too,

1120
00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:12.960
<v Speaker 1>potentially his parents like divorce maybe and like having to

1121
00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:14.480
<v Speaker 1>make all these new friends and stuff.

1122
00:56:14.559 --> 00:56:20.480
<v Speaker 2>Definitely, so there's something snapped. Yeah, whether it's something snapped

1123
00:56:20.519 --> 00:56:24.519
<v Speaker 2>that I don't know is controllable or not, that's who

1124
00:56:24.519 --> 00:56:27.519
<v Speaker 2>knows if it is. I mean, I hope he gets

1125
00:56:27.519 --> 00:56:29.880
<v Speaker 2>the help that he needs, clearly, because.

1126
00:56:29.639 --> 00:56:32.440
<v Speaker 1>There was also like reports and stuff saying that like

1127
00:56:32.519 --> 00:56:35.280
<v Speaker 1>he had heard voices, but I didn't know if I

1128
00:56:35.320 --> 00:56:37.880
<v Speaker 1>really like believed that. Like I think they're just literally

1129
00:56:37.880 --> 00:56:41.559
<v Speaker 1>evaluating him for everything, and which probably a good thing

1130
00:56:41.639 --> 00:56:44.000
<v Speaker 1>that his maybe the defense his lawyers were doing that

1131
00:56:44.079 --> 00:56:47.360
<v Speaker 1>because probably better to maybe go to like the mental

1132
00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:50.239
<v Speaker 1>facility hospital or whatever than jail.

1133
00:56:50.960 --> 00:56:54.079
<v Speaker 2>The thing though, like if you hear voices or if

1134
00:56:54.119 --> 00:57:01.159
<v Speaker 2>there's any mental issues, generally there's some odd behavior that happens.

1135
00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:03.719
<v Speaker 1>And remorse too afterwards.

1136
00:57:03.840 --> 00:57:06.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like because you're disconnected, Like I didn't do that,

1137
00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:07.360
<v Speaker 2>Like what I don't remember that.

1138
00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:10.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, He's just it seemed like he was ever.

1139
00:57:10.280 --> 00:57:11.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's like I hate you all. I'm living my

1140
00:57:11.920 --> 00:57:13.199
<v Speaker 2>best life and now running away.

1141
00:57:13.280 --> 00:57:16.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and this is this is something else that I

1142
00:57:16.079 --> 00:57:19.159
<v Speaker 1>wanted to bring up too, so to like really solidify

1143
00:57:19.199 --> 00:57:22.679
<v Speaker 1>how bad news this Philip dude is. So while he

1144
00:57:22.760 --> 00:57:26.639
<v Speaker 1>was awaiting trial, so like the next year, like he

1145
00:57:26.679 --> 00:57:28.559
<v Speaker 1>did all the shit to Colleen in twenty thirteen, this

1146
00:57:28.639 --> 00:57:33.039
<v Speaker 1>is twenty fourteen, he committed a very similar act attack

1147
00:57:33.400 --> 00:57:36.480
<v Speaker 1>to a twenty nine year old female staff member in

1148
00:57:36.559 --> 00:57:39.840
<v Speaker 1>the youth facility he was staying in. Really, he apparently

1149
00:57:39.880 --> 00:57:42.199
<v Speaker 1>made sure he wasn't being watched by anyone, as he

1150
00:57:42.280 --> 00:57:45.519
<v Speaker 1>kind of did with Colleen. He removed his shoes so

1151
00:57:45.559 --> 00:57:48.960
<v Speaker 1>that his steps wouldn't make noise, and as this female

1152
00:57:48.960 --> 00:57:52.280
<v Speaker 1>walked into a locker room, Philip grabbed her and slammed

1153
00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:55.679
<v Speaker 1>her against the wall. He was choking her, punching her,

1154
00:57:55.760 --> 00:58:00.199
<v Speaker 1>stabbing her numerous times with a pencil until thankfully, like

1155
00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:02.599
<v Speaker 1>all the commotion was heard by another staff member who

1156
00:58:02.679 --> 00:58:04.519
<v Speaker 1>rushed in and saved the woman.

1157
00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:05.800
<v Speaker 2>Holy fuck.

1158
00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:09.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So like the next year he basically like did

1159
00:58:09.079 --> 00:58:13.199
<v Speaker 1>like the same fucking thing. Yeah, so he did get

1160
00:58:13.199 --> 00:58:16.519
<v Speaker 1>tried for this. I couldn't find how much longer whatever

1161
00:58:16.639 --> 00:58:20.440
<v Speaker 1>was added to his sentence, but so like right there,

1162
00:58:20.480 --> 00:58:23.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh my god, like he did it again,

1163
00:58:23.320 --> 00:58:26.320
<v Speaker 1>Like you did it again? Yeah, like what the fuck?

1164
00:58:27.360 --> 00:58:31.239
<v Speaker 2>So wow. See, when it comes to stuff like this,

1165
00:58:31.360 --> 00:58:35.920
<v Speaker 2>like I've gotten flack in comments before from people being like, oh,

1166
00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:38.960
<v Speaker 2>like you shouldn't like wish ill on the victims and stuff,

1167
00:58:39.280 --> 00:58:41.360
<v Speaker 2>and I totally get that. You're right. I don't wish

1168
00:58:41.400 --> 00:58:44.639
<v Speaker 2>ill on anybody. But what I do wish is that

1169
00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:47.960
<v Speaker 2>karma is a real thing, and that I do wish

1170
00:58:48.039 --> 00:58:53.440
<v Speaker 2>that these people who have done bad things intentionally understand

1171
00:58:53.599 --> 00:58:54.559
<v Speaker 2>the things they've done.

1172
00:58:55.000 --> 00:58:57.199
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, I was actually just thinking about this, and

1173
00:58:57.239 --> 00:59:01.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't necessarily think it's like us wishing ill upon people.

1174
00:59:01.159 --> 00:59:04.079
<v Speaker 1>It's literally us like wishing that what they did to

1175
00:59:04.159 --> 00:59:06.719
<v Speaker 1>people gets done to them. Like and I don't know

1176
00:59:06.760 --> 00:59:08.320
<v Speaker 1>if that's necessarily a wrong thing.

1177
00:59:08.519 --> 00:59:12.480
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, like I don't wish like something Philip murdered someone.

1178
00:59:12.880 --> 00:59:15.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't want Philip to get murdered. I don't want

1179
00:59:15.480 --> 00:59:18.199
<v Speaker 2>someone to feel pain or lose their life. That's just

1180
00:59:18.239 --> 00:59:22.519
<v Speaker 2>not cool. Even if a murderer gets murdered, it's still murder, right.

1181
00:59:23.480 --> 00:59:28.199
<v Speaker 2>But I do want the family to have closure, and

1182
00:59:28.239 --> 00:59:30.719
<v Speaker 2>I do want there to be justice, and I hope

1183
00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:35.079
<v Speaker 2>within that justice that the person who's serving the sentence

1184
00:59:36.199 --> 00:59:38.519
<v Speaker 2>learns what it's like what they did.

1185
00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:43.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, hopefully they end up somehow learning and one way,

1186
00:59:43.360 --> 00:59:46.400
<v Speaker 1>not necessarily and even just like a negative way. I

1187
00:59:46.440 --> 00:59:49.639
<v Speaker 1>guess like there could be. It could be really they

1188
00:59:49.719 --> 00:59:52.039
<v Speaker 1>change as a person or develop as a person. He

1189
00:59:52.119 --> 00:59:55.639
<v Speaker 1>has time to develop he is young, or rehabilitation when

1190
00:59:55.679 --> 00:59:57.800
<v Speaker 1>he's in his thirties. He realized what the fuck he

1191
00:59:57.840 --> 01:00:01.360
<v Speaker 1>did and there is more, yeah, exactly.

1192
01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:05.760
<v Speaker 2>Or maybe if they're not remorseful, then maybe karma.

1193
01:00:05.400 --> 01:00:07.280
<v Speaker 1>Turns around on well, or they don't get out of

1194
01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:08.719
<v Speaker 1>jail when they're in their fifties.

1195
01:00:08.800 --> 01:00:11.199
<v Speaker 2>Yes, karma has a way of serving itself.

1196
01:00:11.400 --> 01:00:11.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1197
01:00:11.800 --> 01:00:14.559
<v Speaker 2>So I just people are fucking trash at this point

1198
01:00:14.599 --> 01:00:15.960
<v Speaker 2>when they do this sort of stuff.

1199
01:00:15.800 --> 01:00:19.360
<v Speaker 1>Like like Colleen was a freaking angel for God's sakes.

1200
01:00:19.199 --> 01:00:22.480
<v Speaker 2>Philip deserves a fucking rot as far as I'm concerned. Yeah,

1201
01:00:22.519 --> 01:00:24.480
<v Speaker 2>but I hope he understands what the fuck.

1202
01:00:24.320 --> 01:00:27.519
<v Speaker 1>He did exactly, Like he took a life of a

1203
01:00:27.760 --> 01:00:32.400
<v Speaker 1>beautiful person that literally spent her day trying to like

1204
01:00:32.639 --> 01:00:35.920
<v Speaker 1>really make the world a better place by like changing

1205
01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:37.320
<v Speaker 1>these young students' lives.

1206
01:00:37.400 --> 01:00:41.400
<v Speaker 2>And specifically his life better because he stayed after class

1207
01:00:41.400 --> 01:00:43.360
<v Speaker 2>in this little bubble anything.

1208
01:00:43.639 --> 01:00:46.800
<v Speaker 1>She made it that place safe for him to be there.

1209
01:00:46.920 --> 01:00:50.239
<v Speaker 2>So she literally spent her time to make his life

1210
01:00:50.280 --> 01:00:53.000
<v Speaker 2>better and he turned around and took her life.

1211
01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:55.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, in the most gruesome of ways.

1212
01:00:55.599 --> 01:00:59.599
<v Speaker 2>So I think Philip deserves rot and I really hope

1213
01:00:59.639 --> 01:01:02.320
<v Speaker 2>that there's there's some justice and karma behind that.

1214
01:01:02.639 --> 01:01:06.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it'd be interesting. I mean, we'll be so well,

1215
01:01:06.880 --> 01:01:08.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, will we be so old. Maybe we'll

1216
01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:11.119
<v Speaker 1>still be around when he gets out of jail, but.

1217
01:01:11.519 --> 01:01:13.840
<v Speaker 2>I would like to think so.

1218
01:01:13.840 --> 01:01:18.440
<v Speaker 1>So, Yeah, thanks for listening. I will There's always posts

1219
01:01:18.440 --> 01:01:21.480
<v Speaker 1>about all of our cases on Instagram, and lots same

1220
01:01:21.559 --> 01:01:23.800
<v Speaker 1>super are commenting and there's a little discussion. So if

1221
01:01:23.840 --> 01:01:26.639
<v Speaker 1>you want to be part of that, just follow over us,

1222
01:01:26.840 --> 01:01:28.920
<v Speaker 1>head over on to our instagram.

1223
01:01:28.559 --> 01:01:31.679
<v Speaker 2>A Wicked and Grim. It's just like that, just that easy. Yeah,

1224
01:01:31.719 --> 01:01:33.119
<v Speaker 2>and we will message you back.

1225
01:01:33.199 --> 01:01:35.639
<v Speaker 1>It is us, Yes, I know. Lots of times people

1226
01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:37.920
<v Speaker 1>I think they're surprised if it's us, Yeah, and then

1227
01:01:37.960 --> 01:01:38.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, it's me.

1228
01:01:38.880 --> 01:01:41.559
<v Speaker 2>Although sometimes we're going to tell you now. Sometimes it's

1229
01:01:41.960 --> 01:01:44.320
<v Speaker 2>me talking to you, sometimes Nicole talking to you. Sometimes

1230
01:01:44.360 --> 01:01:44.920
<v Speaker 2>it's both.

1231
01:01:44.719 --> 01:01:47.719
<v Speaker 1>Of us, maybe it's even Mika. Sometimes you never fucking know.

1232
01:01:48.000 --> 01:01:51.440
<v Speaker 2>Kiwi, he's he's sketched that way. I'm pretty sure he's

1233
01:01:51.440 --> 01:01:54.480
<v Speaker 2>the puppet master of this house. He runs stuff totally.

1234
01:01:55.320 --> 01:01:57.320
<v Speaker 1>Okay, sweet, thank you until then.

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01:01:57.719 --> 01:02:25.639
<v Speaker 4>Makes you guys stay wicked.

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01:02:03.480 --> 01:05:00.440
<v Speaker 3>Bo oh oh b mm hm