Speaker 1: Week, NFL Draft week.
Speaker 2: We are your home at the NFL Draft here in
Speaker 2: the markets. Not a ton of local buzz, little local
Speaker 2: buzz though, But let's bring in our next guest, one
Speaker 2: of my favorites to top football with on a Monday afternoon,
Speaker 2: the rising star himself, young man Benjamin Solac.
Speaker 1: Ben, Happy Monday, sir.
Speaker 3: How are you well you Ben?
Speaker 1: I'm good?
Speaker 2: So what's this week gonna look like for you? I
Speaker 2: would imagine that you are hitting it hard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but it's pretty much anybody who might have
Speaker 3: a chance to go decently earlier just kind of right
Speaker 3: casting into the into the dark and hoping you find
Speaker 3: one more guy. And then Thursday and Friday, I'll be
Speaker 3: on for ESPN on the on the digital show, on
Speaker 3: the YouTube show. So yeah, so the goals and everybody
Speaker 3: who goes in the first three rounds, we'll see.
Speaker 1: How far I get, how how much of a sure
Speaker 1: thing is cam warded won.
Speaker 3: Sure thing in terms of willing it happened.
Speaker 2: So I'll just ask you both, okay, so like you
Speaker 2: never know what the smoke screen stuff is that going
Speaker 2: to be the pike at one?
Speaker 1: And if so, what's your opinion on Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think it's definitely word one. Not much reason for
Speaker 3: the Times to be playing a game there, and they
Speaker 3: didn't really add a quarterback and croagency, and so it'd
Speaker 3: be a foolish bait and switch because they'd have no
Speaker 3: way to throw the ball in twenty twenty five. I
Speaker 3: think it's a good pick. I think certainly if Cam
Speaker 3: Word we're out in last year's draft classes. Remember he
Speaker 3: declared for last year's class and then rescinded his declaration,
Speaker 3: got the nil money transferred to Miami. If you're ound
Speaker 3: las year's class, he would not have gone one, and
Speaker 3: he would not have gone too. It would not have
Speaker 3: gone break right. I don't think it's a prospect of
Speaker 3: the caliber of Jane Daniels, Drake Man, Caleb Williams from
Speaker 3: last year's draft. With that said, quarterback in the draft
Speaker 3: is kind of like a weirdly binary thing. You're either
Speaker 3: like good enough to be a very early pick, or
Speaker 3: you're not right. You're either like a top five guy
Speaker 3: or somewhere in the second round. You know, we don't have, oh,
Speaker 3: you know, the twentieth best player of the twenty fourth
Speaker 3: best player being a quarterback. You either worked that early
Speaker 3: pick and you get in that rookie contract or you aren't.
Speaker 3: Mccathon Wardy certainly is. I think it would have gone
Speaker 3: around the Pennix McCarthy knicks range last season had he
Speaker 3: come out improved a lot in Miami. Has a very
Speaker 3: pro all makes a lot of high difficulty throws. He's
Speaker 3: got a good amount of knucklehead in him. Make some
Speaker 3: dumb mistakes. That's not uncommon thing for coming out of
Speaker 3: a rookie quarterback coming into the NFL, and coaches know
Speaker 3: how to work around that. So I expect me to
Speaker 3: be a good problem. I'd like to pick some the simes.
Speaker 1: Is there intrigue at too.
Speaker 2: I've had a number of draft guests that say the
Speaker 2: draft really begins at two afterward? Is off the board
Speaker 2: of one? Or is it Travis Hunter? What do you
Speaker 2: think happens in Cleveland?
Speaker 3: Yeah, at this point I would be stun if it's
Speaker 3: not Hunter. And I think it's pretty clear that they
Speaker 3: prefer him to add Dual Carter. I think it's pretty
Speaker 3: clear that they're willing to take him over any of
Speaker 3: the other quarterbacks in this draft, and so Hunter, to
Speaker 3: me is the expectation. I think teams will call and
Speaker 3: continue to call it out number two overall, number three overall,
Speaker 3: just because those aren't quarterback picks, and they might want
Speaker 3: to be repositioning and getting one of Travis Hunter Abdul Carter.
Speaker 3: Those two guys are kind of the only two, you know,
Speaker 3: elite prospects, blue chip prospects, whatever adjective you want in
Speaker 3: this year's draft. And so you'll continue to hear trade
Speaker 3: buzz potentially over the next couple of days. That always
Speaker 3: kind of happens as we get close to Thursday. But
Speaker 3: I think if the Browns say't make the face, they're
Speaker 3: going to stay at take huntor does.
Speaker 2: That duel Carter then land with the Giants. I mean
Speaker 2: they were out in our not market, but our time
Speaker 2: zone watching shoot or Sanders work out last week.
Speaker 1: But what happens at three, I.
Speaker 3: Would expect you to be a bull, Carter. It's not
Speaker 3: the most perfect fit ye ever solved, just because they
Speaker 3: have Brian Burns in the building, they have Taveon Thibodeau
Speaker 3: in the building. They have bigger needs than the defensive
Speaker 3: line in general. But with that said, like I said,
Speaker 3: I think it's pretty much a top two player class. Right.
Speaker 3: We talked about it, just ranking it without ranking the
Speaker 3: quarterbacks its Travis Hunter. Just have dull Carter and Johns
Speaker 3: are gonna have the position and get one of those
Speaker 3: two players, and then you have a great problem to solve,
Speaker 3: which is how do we get all of our good
Speaker 3: pass rushers off the field. You know, that's a nice
Speaker 3: problem to have. Taveon Thibodeau was a first round pick
Speaker 3: for them in twenty two out of Oregon, coming up
Speaker 3: on this fifth year option. Has not been picked up yet,
Speaker 3: so he's still a tradeable asset as well. Even though
Speaker 3: the team wants to say, hey, we have a lot
Speaker 3: more snaps for your young pass rusher, will come take
Speaker 3: them off your hands, and so other expected to be
Speaker 3: Carter and then yeah they if they played Carter Thibodeau
Speaker 3: and burns all of them for twenty twenty five, trust me,
Speaker 3: it's not gonna feel like, oh no, we makes it
Speaker 3: the pig. It's gonna feel like, wow, we've got a
Speaker 3: deep stable of passers is here that'll help you win
Speaker 3: games early. It will certainly help you win games late
Speaker 3: in the season as well.
Speaker 2: Since I mentioned shador I swear every guest I've had
Speaker 2: on a top draft is giving me a different answer.
Speaker 2: So what's the Ben Solac take. Where do you think
Speaker 2: should or Sanders lands.
Speaker 3: I think he's going to be drafted somewhere in the
Speaker 3: back half of round one. I think it's going to
Speaker 3: be taken somewhere in the Teddy Pickett, Teddy Bridgewater, Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 3: Johnny Manzel range right that. Hey, you know, we kind
Speaker 3: of like you a little bit more as maybe an
Speaker 3: early day two guy, but we want the fifth year option,
Speaker 3: so we're going to trade up to go get you.
Speaker 3: That to me is fair on Shred or Sanders. I
Speaker 3: think in the beginning of the draft process, I'm started
Speaker 3: talking about him and people said, oh, he's next to
Speaker 3: camp Ward, He's going to be in contention for quarterback one.
Speaker 3: I thought that was too lofty. And now as we
Speaker 3: get excuse me, as we get closer to day one
Speaker 3: and day two here people say, oh, maybe Jackson dar
Speaker 3: is QB two, Maybe Tyler Schuck is QB two, Maybe
Speaker 3: Jamn Milroe's QB two. To me, that's too far. Depends
Speaker 3: on too far the other direction. I think Sanders is
Speaker 3: clearly the best, the next best in that bunch, but
Speaker 3: I think Dart, I think Milroe, I think Sanders all
Speaker 3: the chance to go late day one, early day two,
Speaker 3: and I think you'll see if none of the Steelers
Speaker 3: there twenty taking sure Sanders, and I think you'll see
Speaker 3: one of the Browns Giants of Saints trading up from
Speaker 3: that early second round to go get him at the
Speaker 3: end of round one.
Speaker 2: Well, does you follow up with your opinion on who
Speaker 2: Shore Sanders is as an NFL quarterback?
Speaker 3: I think he can be a acceptable starter for you, right,
Speaker 3: I've heard, I've heard him compared to Geno Smith. I
Speaker 3: don't think that's picture perfect. I think Geno a little
Speaker 3: bit bigger, a little bit more physical, like the pocket
Speaker 3: a little bit more and just in general a little
Speaker 3: bit more accurate in the downshill throws than Sanders is.
Speaker 3: I think Tua is a little bit better of the comparison. Now,
Speaker 3: Sanders much better, creating the two as much better scrambler.
Speaker 3: He's a little bit like tool with a jet pack
Speaker 3: right two on caffeine, like he could do stuff when
Speaker 3: he moves, you know. But in general, that that that
Speaker 3: quick release, that ability to throw his anticipation over the
Speaker 3: middle of the field. Maybe not the best vertical ball
Speaker 3: thrower because the arm kind of dies on you a
Speaker 3: little bit, but that ability to work your twenty yards,
Speaker 3: be highly accurate throws, anticipation, give your receivers constantly chances
Speaker 3: to make plays on the football in the tight areas.
Speaker 3: I think I think he can be in that range
Speaker 3: of a quarterback. And again, you don't really want to
Speaker 3: draft that top ten. You want a higre a feeling.
Speaker 3: But if you feel like you're a good offense and
Speaker 3: you have good weapons and you can plug eachother rookie
Speaker 3: contract quarterback, you could do worse than the should or Sanderson.
Speaker 2: Jackson Dart played his high school football out in our state,
Speaker 2: and it's been fun to kind of watch him make
Speaker 2: his way throughout his career as a collegiance. I'll ask
Speaker 2: you kind of the same question, your opinion on who
Speaker 2: he is as a pro. And you referenced a couple
Speaker 2: of landing spots, what's the most likely spot for Jackson Dart.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jackson Dart's got that whip like release right. That
Speaker 3: release is a very very fast Aaron Rodgers style makes
Speaker 3: him a very good RPO quarterback. He he doesn't need
Speaker 3: to be connected to the ground to zip that ball
Speaker 3: in there, can throw from some weird platforms and then
Speaker 3: he's a costs out of a gun man. He is
Speaker 3: tough as nails. If he needs to hang in the
Speaker 3: pocket for an extra half second, take a big shot
Speaker 3: to get let a receiver get open, he will do
Speaker 3: it every single time. So's the highly competitive player. He
Speaker 3: has them some translatable skills in that Ole's offense. You
Speaker 3: did not see NFL pros. You did not see NFL processing, right,
Speaker 3: Some of that is dark. Some of that is the
Speaker 3: nature of the offense. So there's a lot of projection involved.
Speaker 3: When we talked about taking Jackson Dart from the college
Speaker 3: level to the NFL level through a lot of vertical
Speaker 3: routes that are wide open, right, it was one of
Speaker 3: the highest quarterbacks in terms of rate of targets wide
Speaker 3: open down the field. College had an all of last season.
Speaker 3: And again, if you can get a lot tighter in
Speaker 3: the NFL, the margins are going to get a lot thinner.
Speaker 3: So to me Dart as a project quarterback, Dar's a
Speaker 3: sort of guy that I want to draft and then
Speaker 3: maybe start in year two after he's had a year
Speaker 3: to activate himself to an NFL playbook, long NFL play
Speaker 3: called the NFL routes, so on and so forth. I
Speaker 3: think the Saints I've clearly been a little bit more
Speaker 3: interested in Dart over the other teams. And also it
Speaker 3: makes sense for Dart because they can play Derek Carr
Speaker 3: for another year if he's healthy. They can play spend Ratler,
Speaker 3: who played for him a lot last season, for another
Speaker 3: year and bring Dirt along slowly. That Kellen Moore offense
Speaker 3: a lot of quick throws, a lot of RPOs. That's
Speaker 3: where you want Jackson Dart to be. And so to me,
Speaker 3: projects player more so the player than I'd like to
Speaker 3: take on Day two. But if he goes in that
Speaker 3: Drew Lock range right forty three overall early second round pick,
Speaker 3: that's kind of the quarterback tax right there.
Speaker 2: In ten years, Shodor Sanders, Jackson Dart, who will have
Speaker 2: had a better career.
Speaker 3: I would bet on Sanders, but I would personally not
Speaker 3: like to make a bet you know there at all.
Speaker 3: I think when we start talking about these quarterbacks who
Speaker 3: go later than the top ten, destination is destiny, right.
Speaker 3: Asking that again in two weeks, when I know which
Speaker 3: team each one went to, I'll give you a much
Speaker 3: more confident answer because I'll like the offensive infrastructure, I'll
Speaker 3: like the coaching staff the opportunity for development. Right, It's
Speaker 3: kind of like, hey, you already know if a quarterback
Speaker 3: is drafted by the Jets, that guy is gonna be good. Sorry, sence,
Speaker 3: but like that's just kind of the nature of them,
Speaker 3: of destination being destiny, and so right now, I don't
Speaker 3: feel great about making a pick on either one. But
Speaker 3: if you tell me, hey, you know one of these
Speaker 3: guys gets drafted to be the developmental quarterback in Los
Speaker 3: Angeles with the Rams behind Matthew Stafford, yeah, I'm going
Speaker 3: to take him to be the guy who's going to
Speaker 3: develop nicely. He's got the right bedrock around him to grow.
Speaker 2: Now, your born is well taken. If destination is destiny,
Speaker 2: the Jets are destitute.
Speaker 1: I know that. But since you brought it up, what
Speaker 1: do they do at seven? What do you think they do?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 3: I think if if armand Membu the right taskle out
Speaker 3: of Missouri, excuse me, remains on the board, and to me,
Speaker 3: that's the best marriage of need a team fit overall
Speaker 3: prospect value, that'd be the player that I would circle
Speaker 3: for that. You remember Aaron Glenn and dannrel Engstron and
Speaker 3: they're both coming from Detroit. What was the first thing
Speaker 3: Detroit did when Dan Campbell got there and Brad Holmes
Speaker 3: got there. Take a tackle, Penny Sewell, we're just are
Speaker 3: building the things from the trenches, so to me that
Speaker 3: that would be my expectation. Now, Membo is becoming a
Speaker 3: hotter and a hotter name for the Raiders at six.
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you if the board falls with Mason
Speaker 3: Graham off the board at five to the Jaguars, Membo
Speaker 3: off the board at six to the Raiders, and then
Speaker 3: presumably Will Campbell as well, the left back of else
Speaker 3: you go into the Patriots at four, that board sucks
Speaker 3: for the Jets. That's a really, really, really tough draw.
Speaker 3: You start talking about taking a tight end top ten
Speaker 3: Tyler Warren or Colston Lovelin Man, that is lofty for
Speaker 3: a tight end. So talking about the rest of the
Speaker 3: corner class, Will Johnson and J. D. Barons and those
Speaker 3: are not guys who are traditionally top ten picks. This
Speaker 3: class is not very top heavy. It does not have
Speaker 3: a lot of elite talents. So some of these teams
Speaker 3: in the back of the top ten are going to
Speaker 3: just be dealt really tough boards because there's gonna be
Speaker 3: players who usually go like fifteen o'ver oroll and that's it.
Speaker 3: And you can see that happening to the Jets. And
Speaker 3: so I like Membo the right tack out of Missouri
Speaker 3: for them. If he's not there, I would expect effort
Speaker 3: on a trade back because I just don't think the
Speaker 3: board is going to come nicely to him.
Speaker 2: We finally heard from Aaron Rodgers, and thank God for that.
Speaker 2: I wonder Ben, how you digested the story the Aaron
Speaker 2: told about his meeting with Aaron Glenn And does that
Speaker 2: shed any insight any light on the approach that Aaron
Speaker 2: Glenn is going to take as the head coach of
Speaker 2: the Jets.
Speaker 3: All I know, Aaron Rodgers complained about having a fly
Speaker 3: to New orkon his own dime and then getting stiffed.
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers also made like forty five million dollars last year.
Speaker 3: I mean, it just it falls on such deaf ears me.
Speaker 3: I to be completely frank, I could not believe that
Speaker 3: we were doing it again as a football media in
Speaker 3: a football consuming public. Aaron Rodgers merges from the silence
Speaker 3: to go on the Patmack of the show and everybody's
Speaker 3: live tweeting what he says, I couldn't give two hoots.
Speaker 3: Aren't we done with this? Since what he has not
Speaker 3: played well, he has not shown an interest in doing
Speaker 3: what is necessary for the team that he quarterbacks to
Speaker 3: play well, and he's now refusing to participate in free
Speaker 3: agency in like a normal way, which I understand because,
Speaker 3: like you know, takes power of the player's hands. I
Speaker 3: want to be control my own destiny. That's great, Go
Speaker 3: do it over there. Don't then hop on on your
Speaker 3: curated television show and complain about how people are talking
Speaker 3: about you. You're the one who's doing things differently. Of
Speaker 3: course people are going to report on it. What do
Speaker 3: you think this works? So, like you know, Rogers for
Speaker 3: the Steelers, Rogers retiring, I don't know, and did did
Speaker 3: did Glenn stiff him in the approach? In the free
Speaker 3: agency conversation all I want to come back, maybe, but
Speaker 3: I can't pull Aaron Glenn for that. I don't know
Speaker 3: how anybody in the league has patients for Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty five. So to me, you know, wherever
Speaker 3: he ends up before he ends up Harbor long he plays,
Speaker 3: however long he plays, And I'm sure Gill Hill inform
Speaker 3: us of.
Speaker 2: That in his own due time, well said, and I
Speaker 2: won't even ask a follow up because I think he
Speaker 2: handled everything I wanted to ask you there, which is
Speaker 2: which is totally fine. I do want to go back
Speaker 2: to Travis Hunter, though, because Andrew Berry, the Browns general
Speaker 2: manager at the combine and said that they view him
Speaker 2: as quote a receiver primarily first, whether it's Cleveland or
Speaker 2: another team, are we going to see Travis Hunter play legitimate,
Speaker 2: like big time snaps on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 3: I think you will see it happen in at least
Speaker 3: a few games, because I think that the team that
Speaker 3: drafts Travis Hunter will want to entertain the idea and
Speaker 3: support the idea in the way that like, you know,
Speaker 3: when you're ten year old starts doing card magic, you're like, yeah,
Speaker 3: go for it, dude, Like you know, this is probably
Speaker 3: not going to become anything, and like this is a
Speaker 3: little bit awkward and weird, but like you know, kind
Speaker 3: of we want, you know, we want to be a
Speaker 3: positive force for you. Right. So Travis Hunter comes into
Speaker 3: the league, He's a total rookie. He says, I can
Speaker 3: do something that hasn't been done in twenty five thirty years.
Speaker 3: All right, man, go for it, and like you're gonna
Speaker 3: give him some snaps at receiver, give him some snaps
Speaker 3: of corner, and then you're gonna need with them in
Speaker 3: three weeks and say, hey, listen, you know, like we've
Speaker 3: got GVS tracking data says you know you're not moving
Speaker 3: it's fast in the fourth course as you do otherwise,
Speaker 3: we're going to try to bring your corner snaps down.
Speaker 3: You try to reach a middle ground with him. He's
Speaker 3: very clearly committed to at least giving it an effort,
Speaker 3: and I think you have to. If you're going to
Speaker 3: draft the player you want to keep him mentally engaged,
Speaker 3: you have to at least entertain that effort to some degree. Now,
Speaker 3: the Brown saying they think him as a receiver, to
Speaker 3: me is very it's a smart way to go about it,
Speaker 3: because it's much harder to be a full time receiver
Speaker 3: and moonlight at corner then it is to be a
Speaker 3: full time corner moonlight at receiver. Because if you want
Speaker 3: to play fifteen snaps at receiver, I can just on
Speaker 3: the sideline tell you, hey, you know we're A and seven.
Speaker 3: We're calling this, you're running this route, quarterback in the
Speaker 3: in the in the pocket, and the huddle. Excuse me
Speaker 3: can tell you, Hey, I remember it's an eighteen yard dig.
Speaker 3: You know it's easy to kind of plug and chug
Speaker 3: you there. At receiver at corner, Well, you got to
Speaker 3: know what happens if they motion. You got to know
Speaker 3: what happens if they walk out under center play action
Speaker 3: was they they move it this way three by one.
Speaker 3: There's so much more that can happen on any given play.
Speaker 3: So if you want a guy to become one position
Speaker 3: full time and you kind of want to discourage him
Speaker 3: from doing the second position, I would put him full
Speaker 3: time at receiver and then have him experience some of
Speaker 3: the challenges of trying to moonlight at corner as opposed
Speaker 3: to flip flop of it. So I think you're going
Speaker 3: to see Travis Hunter end up being a full time
Speaker 3: receiver for the Browns end of his rookie contract, second
Speaker 3: year whatever. But I think they'll they'll take the tires
Speaker 3: on seeing what he looks like as a two way
Speaker 3: player who's.
Speaker 1: Throwing on the ball, who's going to be under Shuter
Speaker 1: in Cleveland.
Speaker 3: If they draft Hunter, I would love for them to
Speaker 3: draft standers because this has gone, in my opinion, under
Speaker 3: talked about in the process. The connection between Shador Sanders
Speaker 3: and Travis Hunter for collegiate players is very impressive. Right,
Speaker 3: These guys have been throwing, pitching, and cashing each other
Speaker 3: for four seasons jackson State at Jacksonville State. Excuse me,
Speaker 3: into Colorado. You know we've seen top ten picks a quarterback,
Speaker 3: sort of top ten picture receiver. We watched to a
Speaker 3: sort of Jaylen Waddell and and Vaque Smith. It looked
Speaker 3: nothing like this, right, Caleb Williams are not killables in Rome,
Speaker 3: do their our teamates now? They aren't previously, But we've
Speaker 3: seen these combos and in terms of the way they
Speaker 3: adjust routed from the fly, the way the shad or
Speaker 3: throws to him back shoulder, the way that he trust
Speaker 3: him in contested situations, like they have a very good relationship.
Speaker 3: So to me, if the Browns get Hunter at wide receiver,
Speaker 3: it would move Sanders up my draft board for them,
Speaker 3: and so I like Sanders as a Browns quarterback. They
Speaker 3: also seem like they're interested in Shuck as well. The
Speaker 3: Louisville kid. I expect those the two names I look
Speaker 3: at for Cleveland.
Speaker 2: I will not ask you if Aaron Rodgers will play
Speaker 2: for the Steelers, but I will ask you what their
Speaker 2: situation is under center and how they kind of solve
Speaker 2: this issue. If it's not going to be Aaron, who's
Speaker 2: going to be the quarterback for the Steelers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that they absolutely have to take a
Speaker 3: quarterback with one of their first two packs. Remember no
Speaker 3: second round pick because the dk met cap trades. They
Speaker 3: have their pick at twenty and then they have a
Speaker 3: mid third round. Or if you don't think the guy
Speaker 3: in the first round, I think it's pretty much non negotiable.
Speaker 3: You have to see the guy on day two. I
Speaker 3: think that they are taking a long, hard look at
Speaker 3: Sanders because I think a month ago they didn't think
Speaker 3: Sanders was going to get some theother twenty. Now it
Speaker 3: looks like that's a lot more likely. So to me,
Speaker 3: I think Sanders is someone that they're zeroing in on.
Speaker 3: I'm not confident if they like him or dislike them
Speaker 3: out of the direction, but I think they're doing that
Speaker 3: legwork now and I think that they've you seen them
Speaker 3: engage with Jackson Dark and you see them engage with
Speaker 3: Jaln Milroe as well. Out of Alabama. Those those I
Speaker 3: think are the three names that I would if someone's
Speaker 3: gonna sneak in around one, they're in the back half,
Speaker 3: those are the three that I would circle. So I
Speaker 3: think it's going to be a rookie. I think, honestly,
Speaker 3: it's going to be a first round pick at rookie,
Speaker 3: and it's gonna be one of those three names. If
Speaker 3: it's not that pick at twenty and they passed, then
Speaker 3: on day two they got to get active and think
Speaker 3: got would be willing to trade future picks to get
Speaker 3: at you cannot walk in the next season with just
Speaker 3: Mason Rudolph and hoping that you get Aaron Rodgers. That
Speaker 3: seems like an awful team building plan to me.
Speaker 2: Urban Meyer did a zoom call with one of our
Speaker 2: local TV stations and Utah State plays their football just
Speaker 2: out the road in Logan, so he had a front
Speaker 2: row seat to watch Ashton Genty all year and urban was,
Speaker 2: i'll say effusive with his praise for Ashton Genty out
Speaker 2: of Boise State. What's the Ben Solac take on his
Speaker 2: pro potential and where do you think he's drafted.
Speaker 3: Ashton Genny's an excellent, excellent prospect. I don't think he's
Speaker 3: at the level that take when Barkley was when he
Speaker 3: came out of Penn State Ezekiel Elliott when he came
Speaker 3: out of Ohio State. Those two players went two and four, respectively.
Speaker 3: But in this draft class, he's certainly one of the
Speaker 3: three four best players in the class, and you expect
Speaker 3: him to go top ten. This is everything you want
Speaker 3: in a bag of chips in terms of a running
Speaker 3: back prospect. He's going to do a really good job
Speaker 3: in the NFL, turning penetration plays into two yard games,
Speaker 3: turning two yard games into five or games five or
Speaker 3: games in a ten yard game. You're going to do
Speaker 3: exactly you want an early drafted running back to do.
Speaker 3: You're going to take a high, high number of volume,
Speaker 3: a lot of snaps, be able to catch the football,
Speaker 3: carry it twenty twenty four times a game, and deliver
Speaker 3: consistent running and then explosive plays as well in the
Speaker 3: open space. So he's everything that you want. He's probably
Speaker 3: not going to be the fastest running back in the league,
Speaker 3: but besides that, it's all gravy. So my expectation is
Speaker 3: six to the Raiders, five to the Jaguars, ten to
Speaker 3: the Bears. I would be stunned if he gets outside
Speaker 3: the top ten, and I honestly if he gets passed
Speaker 3: six with the Raiders and he's available seven, eight, and nine,
Speaker 3: would not be surprised to see a team trying to
Speaker 3: treat up in front of the Bears to go get
Speaker 3: the guy, because he'll be viewed then as a blue
Speaker 3: ship player who's falling. Cowboys at twelve want to go
Speaker 3: move up, get their future, Zeka Elliott would not bother
Speaker 3: me at all.
Speaker 2: With the remaining a few minutes, Ben I have you,
Speaker 2: I will ask you about a couple of teams locally
Speaker 2: that are of interest. And since my producer is a
Speaker 2: lifelong suffering Dallas Cowboys fan, I believe they have ten
Speaker 2: or eleven picks if I remember correctly, So what do
Speaker 2: you think Dallas needs to come away with as far
Speaker 2: as when the draft is complete?
Speaker 1: How do you think they handle their business?
Speaker 3: He had ten picks for the Cowboys. Six of the
Speaker 3: ten are round five and later, which to me indicates
Speaker 3: the team that's going to be willing to trade up
Speaker 3: and that is going to be willing to sell some
Speaker 3: of those picks to make moves now that they've been
Speaker 3: most paired to wide receivers right, namely Matthew Golden out
Speaker 3: of Texas. Been a little bit of Tetero McMillan out
Speaker 3: of Arizona. But I think Golden is chalking out for
Speaker 3: them as wide receiver one. So wide receiver is a
Speaker 3: big need for them. Three down running back is clearly
Speaker 3: a need, right. Javonte Williams and Miles Sanders the only
Speaker 3: additions to a really empty room at this time. Now,
Speaker 3: it's a good class for three down running backs. They
Speaker 3: don't need to go there round one to go get
Speaker 3: that player. I would say Day two is probably what
Speaker 3: they're hoping to target. And then corner is in need.
Speaker 3: You know, you have a good player in Treyvon Diggs
Speaker 3: and a good player in Deron Bland. Bigs come back
Speaker 3: from a pretty major injury. Drown Bland is entering our contract.
Speaker 3: Your depth got tested in a real bad way last season.
Speaker 3: They struggled a lot to cover and they're ever consistent.
Speaker 3: Nickel corner Jordan Lewis is now Jacksonville Jaguar would be
Speaker 3: a free agent py So to me, I've got three
Speaker 3: corner positions that by twenty twenty six I might not
Speaker 3: feel good about it any of them, So I would
Speaker 3: also expect decently early pick on the corner board. Again,
Speaker 3: I don't think it's gonna be a round one. I
Speaker 3: think it's going to be a receiver. But day two.
Speaker 3: It's a very good class for corners on day two,
Speaker 3: a lot of developmental guys. But expect the Cowboys to
Speaker 3: go there.
Speaker 2: Niners have eleven picks, as you point out of your piece,
Speaker 2: it's a big draft for them. Of course, they have
Speaker 2: to pay their QB, so they've got a lot of holes.
Speaker 2: How do you think San Fran handles this week?
Speaker 3: They've just lost so many snaps on the defensive line.
Speaker 3: And now with you know, Drey Greenlaw and Talano Hufanga
Speaker 3: are both gone to Denver, Tarvarius war to the corner
Speaker 3: is left for Indianapolis. They are just bleeding snaps on
Speaker 3: the defensive side of the ball. To me, I'm using
Speaker 3: all eleven picks, not all eleven, but a lot of
Speaker 3: my eleven picks and taking that shotgun approach, right. I
Speaker 3: want to make a lot of selections and just pour
Speaker 3: those resources onto the defensive side of the ball. I
Speaker 3: want to be able to add multiple pass rushers to
Speaker 3: support Nick Moosa right. I want to be able to
Speaker 3: get a developmental linebacker behind Fred Warner, a guy who
Speaker 3: can takes them outside corner snaps. It's al Bernardo Green like,
Speaker 3: you need to inundate the roster the defensive with you,
Speaker 3: because the way you survive brock Berdy Contract Part two
Speaker 3: is by being cheaping up on defense to then spend
Speaker 3: the money on offense. So that, to me, has to
Speaker 3: be the approach.
Speaker 2: Last one, Ben, I'll set you loose after this. I
Speaker 2: know you're busy, but there there's reason for optimism in
Speaker 2: Denver for the first time and quite some time after
Speaker 2: the rookie season of Bonnicks. And they they've got twenty
Speaker 2: in round one, They've got let's see seven overall picks.
Speaker 2: From what I'm reading here, how do you think Denver
Speaker 2: handles this week before it sets you loose?
Speaker 3: So Denver's, the rumored, is one of the only teams
Speaker 3: that's kind of interesting and willing and trading up, which
Speaker 3: I think is I think it's sharp. I think it's
Speaker 3: gonna be an easy year to trade up because everybody
Speaker 3: else wants to trade down, so I think that the
Speaker 3: price is gonna be pretty cheap. They should be adding
Speaker 3: splash players on offense. Right, they did a really nice
Speaker 3: job scraping it together and Sean Payton finding clever ways
Speaker 3: to work around you know, Marvin Mims Junior and and
Speaker 3: Gavanti Williams and Julil mcgloughlin and Adam Troutman and Lucas Kroll. Right,
Speaker 3: they have like just like bodies, little Georgan Humphrey just
Speaker 3: the court. It was kind of a tent pole the
Speaker 3: whole offensive operation. And other than that, they're just kind
Speaker 3: of scrounging it together. So you have depth. Now it's
Speaker 3: time to that impactful players. Let's that guys who cause
Speaker 3: problems right in free agency, the kicks, the tires and
Speaker 3: the wide receivers. It was a very bad receiver class.
Speaker 3: And then Evan Ingram was an addition at tight end
Speaker 3: two year contract. It's not that big of a financial
Speaker 3: commitment and Ingram is not the playmaker that he used
Speaker 3: to be. So to me, I'm looking at Omarion Hanson,
Speaker 3: the running back of North Carolina. Both the top tight ends,
Speaker 3: Tyler Warren out of Penn State coastonal levelant of Michigan
Speaker 3: and then out of the top receivers as well, Matthew
Speaker 3: Golden out of Texas and Ted Roe mcmillano of Arizona.
Speaker 3: I'm saying, listen, if I need a trade out, all
Speaker 3: trade up. I want an impactful, three down, scary guy.
Speaker 3: Guy I go to play January football, playoff football. The
Speaker 3: opposing defense has to worry about this dude. I compare
Speaker 3: him with Courtland's sun. Become that much more dangerous on
Speaker 3: offense and make a big move, make a big splash,
Speaker 3: go attack those offensive knee positions. That'd be the plan
Speaker 3: for Denver.
Speaker 2: Ben, you are the man, great stuff. Excited to follow
Speaker 2: your work this week and be good man. Keep it up, Okay,
Speaker 2: take care. I had the great Ben Solac over ESPN.
Speaker 2: That guy has been coming on our show for a
Speaker 2: long long time, ever since he was just a kid
Speaker 2: in this business. It's been really fun to watch his
Speaker 2: stock row and he does great work. There aren't a
Speaker 2: lot of uh, well, there isn't a lot, I should
Speaker 2: say local buzz with the players available in the draft.
Speaker 2: You know Utah with Junior Tafuna, Karenne Reid Brand, Keithy
Speaker 2: Byu with Tyler Battie, kayleb Btn and Jacob Robinson. I've
Speaker 2: got a mock pulled up right now, and I don't
Speaker 2: see any local players off this mock board until one
Speaker 2: ninety nine where kayleb Btn is off the board for
Speaker 2: the Chargers.
Speaker 1: So we are your home of the NFL Draft in
Speaker 1: the market. Don't forget.
Speaker 2: It's such a great event and it's a great time
Speaker 2: to be hopeful if you're an NFL fan. Junior Tafuna
Speaker 2: off at two forty eight to the New England Patriots,
Speaker 2: so that would be a sixth round, I believe