WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:02.279 Week, NFL Draft week. 2 00:00:02.319 --> 00:00:04.080 We are your home at the NFL Draft here in 3 00:00:04.120 --> 00:00:08.240 the markets. Not a ton of local buzz, little local 4 00:00:08.240 --> 00:00:10.240 buzz though, But let's bring in our next guest, one 5 00:00:10.240 --> 00:00:12.919 of my favorites to top football with on a Monday afternoon, 6 00:00:13.560 --> 00:00:17.239 the rising star himself, young man Benjamin Solac. 7 00:00:17.320 --> 00:00:18.399 Ben, Happy Monday, sir. 8 00:00:18.440 --> 00:00:20.679 How are you well you Ben? 9 00:00:20.719 --> 00:00:21.079 I'm good? 10 00:00:21.120 --> 00:00:22.719 So what's this week gonna look like for you? I 11 00:00:22.719 --> 00:00:24.679 would imagine that you are hitting it hard. 12 00:00:24.719 --> 00:00:28.280 Yeah, yeah, but it's pretty much anybody who might have 13 00:00:28.320 --> 00:00:30.519 a chance to go decently earlier just kind of right 14 00:00:30.679 --> 00:00:32.640 casting into the into the dark and hoping you find 15 00:00:32.679 --> 00:00:35.880 one more guy. And then Thursday and Friday, I'll be 16 00:00:35.920 --> 00:00:38.479 on for ESPN on the on the digital show, on 17 00:00:38.520 --> 00:00:41.799 the YouTube show. So yeah, so the goals and everybody 18 00:00:41.799 --> 00:00:43.520 who goes in the first three rounds, we'll see. 19 00:00:43.320 --> 00:00:45.600 How far I get, how how much of a sure 20 00:00:45.719 --> 00:00:46.920 thing is cam warded won. 21 00:00:48.359 --> 00:00:49.840 Sure thing in terms of willing it happened. 22 00:00:52.079 --> 00:00:54.960 So I'll just ask you both, okay, so like you 23 00:00:55.000 --> 00:00:57.479 never know what the smoke screen stuff is that going 24 00:00:57.479 --> 00:00:58.439 to be the pike at one? 25 00:00:58.520 --> 00:01:01.039 And if so, what's your opinion on Yeah? 26 00:01:01.159 --> 00:01:03.439 I think it's definitely word one. Not much reason for 27 00:01:03.479 --> 00:01:05.359 the Times to be playing a game there, and they 28 00:01:05.400 --> 00:01:08.159 didn't really add a quarterback and croagency, and so it'd 29 00:01:08.159 --> 00:01:10.239 be a foolish bait and switch because they'd have no 30 00:01:10.280 --> 00:01:12.719 way to throw the ball in twenty twenty five. I 31 00:01:12.760 --> 00:01:14.799 think it's a good pick. I think certainly if Cam 32 00:01:14.879 --> 00:01:17.640 Word we're out in last year's draft classes. Remember he 33 00:01:17.760 --> 00:01:20.719 declared for last year's class and then rescinded his declaration, 34 00:01:20.920 --> 00:01:23.519 got the nil money transferred to Miami. If you're ound 35 00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:25.120 las year's class, he would not have gone one, and 36 00:01:25.120 --> 00:01:26.359 he would not have gone too. It would not have 37 00:01:26.359 --> 00:01:29.079 gone break right. I don't think it's a prospect of 38 00:01:29.079 --> 00:01:32.159 the caliber of Jane Daniels, Drake Man, Caleb Williams from 39 00:01:32.239 --> 00:01:35.519 last year's draft. With that said, quarterback in the draft 40 00:01:35.640 --> 00:01:37.680 is kind of like a weirdly binary thing. You're either 41 00:01:37.719 --> 00:01:39.640 like good enough to be a very early pick, or 42 00:01:39.680 --> 00:01:42.079 you're not right. You're either like a top five guy 43 00:01:42.200 --> 00:01:44.840 or somewhere in the second round. You know, we don't have, oh, 44 00:01:44.920 --> 00:01:46.879 you know, the twentieth best player of the twenty fourth 45 00:01:46.879 --> 00:01:49.599 best player being a quarterback. You either worked that early 46 00:01:49.640 --> 00:01:51.560 pick and you get in that rookie contract or you aren't. 47 00:01:51.799 --> 00:01:53.799 Mccathon Wardy certainly is. I think it would have gone 48 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:56.959 around the Pennix McCarthy knicks range last season had he 49 00:01:57.040 --> 00:01:59.519 come out improved a lot in Miami. Has a very 50 00:01:59.560 --> 00:02:02.400 pro all makes a lot of high difficulty throws. He's 51 00:02:02.439 --> 00:02:04.599 got a good amount of knucklehead in him. Make some 52 00:02:04.680 --> 00:02:07.519 dumb mistakes. That's not uncommon thing for coming out of 53 00:02:07.920 --> 00:02:10.319 a rookie quarterback coming into the NFL, and coaches know 54 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:11.759 how to work around that. So I expect me to 55 00:02:11.800 --> 00:02:13.240 be a good problem. I'd like to pick some the simes. 56 00:02:13.759 --> 00:02:14.879 Is there intrigue at too. 57 00:02:14.919 --> 00:02:17.000 I've had a number of draft guests that say the 58 00:02:17.080 --> 00:02:19.919 draft really begins at two afterward? Is off the board 59 00:02:19.960 --> 00:02:22.520 of one? Or is it Travis Hunter? What do you 60 00:02:22.520 --> 00:02:23.560 think happens in Cleveland? 61 00:02:24.400 --> 00:02:26.599 Yeah, at this point I would be stun if it's 62 00:02:26.599 --> 00:02:28.840 not Hunter. And I think it's pretty clear that they 63 00:02:28.840 --> 00:02:31.120 prefer him to add Dual Carter. I think it's pretty 64 00:02:31.120 --> 00:02:33.000 clear that they're willing to take him over any of 65 00:02:33.039 --> 00:02:35.400 the other quarterbacks in this draft, and so Hunter, to 66 00:02:35.439 --> 00:02:38.800 me is the expectation. I think teams will call and 67 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:41.360 continue to call it out number two overall, number three overall, 68 00:02:41.599 --> 00:02:43.800 just because those aren't quarterback picks, and they might want 69 00:02:43.840 --> 00:02:46.840 to be repositioning and getting one of Travis Hunter Abdul Carter. 70 00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:49.319 Those two guys are kind of the only two, you know, 71 00:02:49.400 --> 00:02:52.840 elite prospects, blue chip prospects, whatever adjective you want in 72 00:02:52.879 --> 00:02:55.439 this year's draft. And so you'll continue to hear trade 73 00:02:55.439 --> 00:02:58.319 buzz potentially over the next couple of days. That always 74 00:02:58.400 --> 00:03:00.520 kind of happens as we get close to Thursday. But 75 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:02.400 I think if the Browns say't make the face, they're 76 00:03:02.400 --> 00:03:04.000 going to stay at take huntor does. 77 00:03:03.800 --> 00:03:06.000 That duel Carter then land with the Giants. I mean 78 00:03:06.039 --> 00:03:09.560 they were out in our not market, but our time 79 00:03:09.680 --> 00:03:13.319 zone watching shoot or Sanders work out last week. 80 00:03:13.360 --> 00:03:16.159 But what happens at three, I. 81 00:03:16.080 --> 00:03:18.319 Would expect you to be a bull, Carter. It's not 82 00:03:19.080 --> 00:03:21.400 the most perfect fit ye ever solved, just because they 83 00:03:21.439 --> 00:03:24.199 have Brian Burns in the building, they have Taveon Thibodeau 84 00:03:24.240 --> 00:03:26.560 in the building. They have bigger needs than the defensive 85 00:03:26.599 --> 00:03:29.479 line in general. But with that said, like I said, 86 00:03:29.520 --> 00:03:32.560 I think it's pretty much a top two player class. Right. 87 00:03:32.639 --> 00:03:34.280 We talked about it, just ranking it without ranking the 88 00:03:34.319 --> 00:03:36.759 quarterbacks its Travis Hunter. Just have dull Carter and Johns 89 00:03:36.800 --> 00:03:38.599 are gonna have the position and get one of those 90 00:03:38.639 --> 00:03:41.360 two players, and then you have a great problem to solve, 91 00:03:41.360 --> 00:03:42.479 which is how do we get all of our good 92 00:03:42.479 --> 00:03:44.439 pass rushers off the field. You know, that's a nice 93 00:03:44.520 --> 00:03:47.639 problem to have. Taveon Thibodeau was a first round pick 94 00:03:47.639 --> 00:03:50.039 for them in twenty two out of Oregon, coming up 95 00:03:50.039 --> 00:03:52.159 on this fifth year option. Has not been picked up yet, 96 00:03:52.199 --> 00:03:54.919 so he's still a tradeable asset as well. Even though 97 00:03:54.919 --> 00:03:56.159 the team wants to say, hey, we have a lot 98 00:03:56.199 --> 00:03:58.520 more snaps for your young pass rusher, will come take 99 00:03:58.560 --> 00:04:00.599 them off your hands, and so other expected to be 100 00:04:00.639 --> 00:04:03.159 Carter and then yeah they if they played Carter Thibodeau 101 00:04:03.199 --> 00:04:05.800 and burns all of them for twenty twenty five, trust me, 102 00:04:05.800 --> 00:04:07.719 it's not gonna feel like, oh no, we makes it 103 00:04:07.759 --> 00:04:09.879 the pig. It's gonna feel like, wow, we've got a 104 00:04:09.919 --> 00:04:12.120 deep stable of passers is here that'll help you win 105 00:04:12.159 --> 00:04:14.120 games early. It will certainly help you win games late 106 00:04:14.120 --> 00:04:14.960 in the season as well. 107 00:04:15.199 --> 00:04:18.160 Since I mentioned shador I swear every guest I've had 108 00:04:18.199 --> 00:04:20.279 on a top draft is giving me a different answer. 109 00:04:20.319 --> 00:04:22.240 So what's the Ben Solac take. Where do you think 110 00:04:22.240 --> 00:04:23.879 should or Sanders lands. 111 00:04:24.879 --> 00:04:26.399 I think he's going to be drafted somewhere in the 112 00:04:26.399 --> 00:04:28.000 back half of round one. I think it's going to 113 00:04:28.040 --> 00:04:32.279 be taken somewhere in the Teddy Pickett, Teddy Bridgewater, Lamar Jackson, 114 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:35.959 Johnny Manzel range right that. Hey, you know, we kind 115 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:38.079 of like you a little bit more as maybe an 116 00:04:38.079 --> 00:04:40.160 early day two guy, but we want the fifth year option, 117 00:04:40.319 --> 00:04:41.639 so we're going to trade up to go get you. 118 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:45.199 That to me is fair on Shred or Sanders. I 119 00:04:45.240 --> 00:04:47.480 think in the beginning of the draft process, I'm started 120 00:04:47.519 --> 00:04:49.399 talking about him and people said, oh, he's next to 121 00:04:49.480 --> 00:04:52.120 camp Ward, He's going to be in contention for quarterback one. 122 00:04:52.160 --> 00:04:54.279 I thought that was too lofty. And now as we 123 00:04:54.360 --> 00:04:57.600 get excuse me, as we get closer to day one 124 00:04:57.639 --> 00:04:59.920 and day two here people say, oh, maybe Jackson dar 125 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:02.279 is QB two, Maybe Tyler Schuck is QB two, Maybe 126 00:05:02.319 --> 00:05:05.199 Jamn Milroe's QB two. To me, that's too far. Depends 127 00:05:05.240 --> 00:05:06.959 on too far the other direction. I think Sanders is 128 00:05:07.279 --> 00:05:10.399 clearly the best, the next best in that bunch, but 129 00:05:10.519 --> 00:05:13.560 I think Dart, I think Milroe, I think Sanders all 130 00:05:13.600 --> 00:05:16.040 the chance to go late day one, early day two, 131 00:05:16.040 --> 00:05:17.600 and I think you'll see if none of the Steelers 132 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:20.079 there twenty taking sure Sanders, and I think you'll see 133 00:05:20.319 --> 00:05:22.480 one of the Browns Giants of Saints trading up from 134 00:05:22.519 --> 00:05:24.240 that early second round to go get him at the 135 00:05:24.319 --> 00:05:24.759 end of round one. 136 00:05:24.959 --> 00:05:27.199 Well, does you follow up with your opinion on who 137 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:29.480 Shore Sanders is as an NFL quarterback? 138 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:34.720 I think he can be a acceptable starter for you, right, 139 00:05:34.800 --> 00:05:36.959 I've heard, I've heard him compared to Geno Smith. I 140 00:05:37.000 --> 00:05:40.519 don't think that's picture perfect. I think Geno a little 141 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:43.360 bit bigger, a little bit more physical, like the pocket 142 00:05:43.399 --> 00:05:45.240 a little bit more and just in general a little 143 00:05:45.240 --> 00:05:47.399 bit more accurate in the downshill throws than Sanders is. 144 00:05:47.800 --> 00:05:50.839 I think Tua is a little bit better of the comparison. Now, 145 00:05:51.160 --> 00:05:54.120 Sanders much better, creating the two as much better scrambler. 146 00:05:54.279 --> 00:05:55.680 He's a little bit like tool with a jet pack 147 00:05:55.759 --> 00:05:57.560 right two on caffeine, like he could do stuff when 148 00:05:57.560 --> 00:06:00.279 he moves, you know. But in general, that that that 149 00:06:00.439 --> 00:06:03.120 quick release, that ability to throw his anticipation over the 150 00:06:03.160 --> 00:06:06.240 middle of the field. Maybe not the best vertical ball 151 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:08.000 thrower because the arm kind of dies on you a 152 00:06:08.040 --> 00:06:10.240 little bit, but that ability to work your twenty yards, 153 00:06:10.600 --> 00:06:14.600 be highly accurate throws, anticipation, give your receivers constantly chances 154 00:06:14.639 --> 00:06:16.439 to make plays on the football in the tight areas. 155 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:18.240 I think I think he can be in that range 156 00:06:18.279 --> 00:06:20.319 of a quarterback. And again, you don't really want to 157 00:06:20.360 --> 00:06:22.040 draft that top ten. You want a higre a feeling. 158 00:06:22.279 --> 00:06:23.920 But if you feel like you're a good offense and 159 00:06:23.959 --> 00:06:26.399 you have good weapons and you can plug eachother rookie 160 00:06:26.399 --> 00:06:28.920 contract quarterback, you could do worse than the should or Sanderson. 161 00:06:29.439 --> 00:06:32.720 Jackson Dart played his high school football out in our state, 162 00:06:32.920 --> 00:06:34.759 and it's been fun to kind of watch him make 163 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:38.399 his way throughout his career as a collegiance. I'll ask 164 00:06:38.439 --> 00:06:40.720 you kind of the same question, your opinion on who 165 00:06:40.839 --> 00:06:43.360 he is as a pro. And you referenced a couple 166 00:06:43.439 --> 00:06:46.439 of landing spots, what's the most likely spot for Jackson Dart. 167 00:06:47.040 --> 00:06:49.360 Yeah, Jackson Dart's got that whip like release right. That 168 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:52.040 release is a very very fast Aaron Rodgers style makes 169 00:06:52.120 --> 00:06:54.480 him a very good RPO quarterback. He he doesn't need 170 00:06:54.560 --> 00:06:57.439 to be connected to the ground to zip that ball 171 00:06:57.480 --> 00:06:59.600 in there, can throw from some weird platforms and then 172 00:06:59.639 --> 00:07:01.680 he's a costs out of a gun man. He is 173 00:07:01.720 --> 00:07:03.480 tough as nails. If he needs to hang in the 174 00:07:03.519 --> 00:07:05.920 pocket for an extra half second, take a big shot 175 00:07:05.959 --> 00:07:07.519 to get let a receiver get open, he will do 176 00:07:07.600 --> 00:07:10.360 it every single time. So's the highly competitive player. He 177 00:07:10.480 --> 00:07:13.800 has them some translatable skills in that Ole's offense. You 178 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:18.079 did not see NFL pros. You did not see NFL processing, right, 179 00:07:18.279 --> 00:07:19.800 Some of that is dark. Some of that is the 180 00:07:19.879 --> 00:07:22.279 nature of the offense. So there's a lot of projection involved. 181 00:07:22.399 --> 00:07:24.360 When we talked about taking Jackson Dart from the college 182 00:07:24.439 --> 00:07:26.639 level to the NFL level through a lot of vertical 183 00:07:26.720 --> 00:07:28.759 routes that are wide open, right, it was one of 184 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:31.519 the highest quarterbacks in terms of rate of targets wide 185 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:34.160 open down the field. College had an all of last season. 186 00:07:34.319 --> 00:07:35.959 And again, if you can get a lot tighter in 187 00:07:36.040 --> 00:07:38.399 the NFL, the margins are going to get a lot thinner. 188 00:07:38.439 --> 00:07:40.560 So to me Dart as a project quarterback, Dar's a 189 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:41.920 sort of guy that I want to draft and then 190 00:07:41.920 --> 00:07:44.240 maybe start in year two after he's had a year 191 00:07:44.240 --> 00:07:47.240 to activate himself to an NFL playbook, long NFL play 192 00:07:47.319 --> 00:07:49.360 called the NFL routes, so on and so forth. I 193 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:52.160 think the Saints I've clearly been a little bit more 194 00:07:52.199 --> 00:07:55.000 interested in Dart over the other teams. And also it 195 00:07:55.079 --> 00:07:57.279 makes sense for Dart because they can play Derek Carr 196 00:07:57.360 --> 00:08:00.439 for another year if he's healthy. They can play spend Ratler, 197 00:08:00.480 --> 00:08:02.120 who played for him a lot last season, for another 198 00:08:02.199 --> 00:08:05.160 year and bring Dirt along slowly. That Kellen Moore offense 199 00:08:05.439 --> 00:08:07.680 a lot of quick throws, a lot of RPOs. That's 200 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:09.399 where you want Jackson Dart to be. And so to me, 201 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:11.920 projects player more so the player than I'd like to 202 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:13.600 take on Day two. But if he goes in that 203 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:17.000 Drew Lock range right forty three overall early second round pick, 204 00:08:17.240 --> 00:08:18.879 that's kind of the quarterback tax right there. 205 00:08:19.240 --> 00:08:22.680 In ten years, Shodor Sanders, Jackson Dart, who will have 206 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:23.800 had a better career. 207 00:08:25.040 --> 00:08:27.920 I would bet on Sanders, but I would personally not 208 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:29.879 like to make a bet you know there at all. 209 00:08:29.879 --> 00:08:33.440 I think when we start talking about these quarterbacks who 210 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:38.200 go later than the top ten, destination is destiny, right. 211 00:08:38.519 --> 00:08:40.279 Asking that again in two weeks, when I know which 212 00:08:40.320 --> 00:08:42.039 team each one went to, I'll give you a much 213 00:08:42.080 --> 00:08:45.360 more confident answer because I'll like the offensive infrastructure, I'll 214 00:08:45.440 --> 00:08:48.320 like the coaching staff the opportunity for development. Right, It's 215 00:08:48.360 --> 00:08:50.120 kind of like, hey, you already know if a quarterback 216 00:08:50.159 --> 00:08:52.519 is drafted by the Jets, that guy is gonna be good. Sorry, sence, 217 00:08:52.639 --> 00:08:54.399 but like that's just kind of the nature of them, 218 00:08:54.600 --> 00:08:57.279 of destination being destiny, and so right now, I don't 219 00:08:57.320 --> 00:09:00.120 feel great about making a pick on either one. But 220 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:01.759 if you tell me, hey, you know one of these 221 00:09:01.759 --> 00:09:05.279 guys gets drafted to be the developmental quarterback in Los 222 00:09:05.279 --> 00:09:07.679 Angeles with the Rams behind Matthew Stafford, yeah, I'm going 223 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:09.200 to take him to be the guy who's going to 224 00:09:09.480 --> 00:09:12.600 develop nicely. He's got the right bedrock around him to grow. 225 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:16.080 Now, your born is well taken. If destination is destiny, 226 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:17.240 the Jets are destitute. 227 00:09:17.240 --> 00:09:18.960 I know that. But since you brought it up, what 228 00:09:19.240 --> 00:09:21.360 do they do at seven? What do you think they do? 229 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:22.679 So? 230 00:09:22.879 --> 00:09:25.879 I think if if armand Membu the right taskle out 231 00:09:25.960 --> 00:09:28.720 of Missouri, excuse me, remains on the board, and to me, 232 00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:33.200 that's the best marriage of need a team fit overall 233 00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:35.919 prospect value, that'd be the player that I would circle 234 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:38.600 for that. You remember Aaron Glenn and dannrel Engstron and 235 00:09:38.600 --> 00:09:40.480 they're both coming from Detroit. What was the first thing 236 00:09:40.519 --> 00:09:42.919 Detroit did when Dan Campbell got there and Brad Holmes 237 00:09:43.039 --> 00:09:45.799 got there. Take a tackle, Penny Sewell, we're just are 238 00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:47.799 building the things from the trenches, so to me that 239 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:51.080 that would be my expectation. Now, Membo is becoming a 240 00:09:51.159 --> 00:09:53.399 hotter and a hotter name for the Raiders at six. 241 00:09:53.799 --> 00:09:56.519 And I'll tell you if the board falls with Mason 242 00:09:56.559 --> 00:09:59.360 Graham off the board at five to the Jaguars, Membo 243 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:01.080 off the board at six to the Raiders, and then 244 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:03.559 presumably Will Campbell as well, the left back of else 245 00:10:03.639 --> 00:10:06.240 you go into the Patriots at four, that board sucks 246 00:10:06.279 --> 00:10:08.639 for the Jets. That's a really, really, really tough draw. 247 00:10:08.879 --> 00:10:11.440 You start talking about taking a tight end top ten 248 00:10:11.720 --> 00:10:15.000 Tyler Warren or Colston Lovelin Man, that is lofty for 249 00:10:15.039 --> 00:10:16.960 a tight end. So talking about the rest of the 250 00:10:17.039 --> 00:10:19.840 corner class, Will Johnson and J. D. Barons and those 251 00:10:19.879 --> 00:10:22.720 are not guys who are traditionally top ten picks. This 252 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:25.159 class is not very top heavy. It does not have 253 00:10:25.200 --> 00:10:27.679 a lot of elite talents. So some of these teams 254 00:10:27.720 --> 00:10:29.919 in the back of the top ten are going to 255 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:32.720 just be dealt really tough boards because there's gonna be 256 00:10:32.720 --> 00:10:35.120 players who usually go like fifteen o'ver oroll and that's it. 257 00:10:35.480 --> 00:10:37.200 And you can see that happening to the Jets. And 258 00:10:37.240 --> 00:10:39.559 so I like Membo the right tack out of Missouri 259 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:42.039 for them. If he's not there, I would expect effort 260 00:10:42.120 --> 00:10:44.039 on a trade back because I just don't think the 261 00:10:44.080 --> 00:10:45.240 board is going to come nicely to him. 262 00:10:45.440 --> 00:10:48.000 We finally heard from Aaron Rodgers, and thank God for that. 263 00:10:49.000 --> 00:10:53.240 I wonder Ben, how you digested the story the Aaron 264 00:10:53.360 --> 00:10:56.559 told about his meeting with Aaron Glenn And does that 265 00:10:56.919 --> 00:10:59.679 shed any insight any light on the approach that Aaron 266 00:10:59.720 --> 00:11:01.240 Glenn is going to take as the head coach of 267 00:11:01.279 --> 00:11:01.679 the Jets. 268 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:06.080 All I know, Aaron Rodgers complained about having a fly 269 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:08.240 to New orkon his own dime and then getting stiffed. 270 00:11:08.440 --> 00:11:10.879 Aaron Rodgers also made like forty five million dollars last year. 271 00:11:10.919 --> 00:11:13.919 I mean, it just it falls on such deaf ears me. 272 00:11:14.279 --> 00:11:17.679 I to be completely frank, I could not believe that 273 00:11:17.840 --> 00:11:20.039 we were doing it again as a football media in 274 00:11:20.039 --> 00:11:23.679 a football consuming public. Aaron Rodgers merges from the silence 275 00:11:23.720 --> 00:11:25.639 to go on the Patmack of the show and everybody's 276 00:11:25.679 --> 00:11:28.559 live tweeting what he says, I couldn't give two hoots. 277 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:30.720 Aren't we done with this? Since what he has not 278 00:11:30.840 --> 00:11:32.639 played well, he has not shown an interest in doing 279 00:11:32.679 --> 00:11:34.960 what is necessary for the team that he quarterbacks to 280 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:37.559 play well, and he's now refusing to participate in free 281 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:40.720 agency in like a normal way, which I understand because, 282 00:11:40.879 --> 00:11:42.639 like you know, takes power of the player's hands. I 283 00:11:42.679 --> 00:11:45.200 want to be control my own destiny. That's great, Go 284 00:11:45.399 --> 00:11:47.679 do it over there. Don't then hop on on your 285 00:11:47.759 --> 00:11:50.039 curated television show and complain about how people are talking 286 00:11:50.080 --> 00:11:52.120 about you. You're the one who's doing things differently. Of 287 00:11:52.159 --> 00:11:53.879 course people are going to report on it. What do 288 00:11:53.960 --> 00:11:57.399 you think this works? So, like you know, Rogers for 289 00:11:57.440 --> 00:12:01.320 the Steelers, Rogers retiring, I don't know, and did did 290 00:12:01.399 --> 00:12:04.960 did Glenn stiff him in the approach? In the free 291 00:12:04.960 --> 00:12:07.399 agency conversation all I want to come back, maybe, but 292 00:12:07.879 --> 00:12:09.480 I can't pull Aaron Glenn for that. I don't know 293 00:12:09.480 --> 00:12:11.919 how anybody in the league has patients for Aaron Rodgers 294 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:14.799 in twenty twenty five. So to me, you know, wherever 295 00:12:14.840 --> 00:12:16.759 he ends up before he ends up Harbor long he plays, 296 00:12:16.799 --> 00:12:19.440 however long he plays, And I'm sure Gill Hill inform 297 00:12:19.519 --> 00:12:19.720 us of. 298 00:12:19.720 --> 00:12:21.919 That in his own due time, well said, and I 299 00:12:21.960 --> 00:12:23.759 won't even ask a follow up because I think he 300 00:12:23.840 --> 00:12:25.600 handled everything I wanted to ask you there, which is 301 00:12:25.720 --> 00:12:28.159 which is totally fine. I do want to go back 302 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:31.639 to Travis Hunter, though, because Andrew Berry, the Browns general 303 00:12:31.679 --> 00:12:33.720 manager at the combine and said that they view him 304 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:37.919 as quote a receiver primarily first, whether it's Cleveland or 305 00:12:38.000 --> 00:12:42.279 another team, are we going to see Travis Hunter play legitimate, 306 00:12:42.480 --> 00:12:44.600 like big time snaps on both sides of the ball. 307 00:12:46.159 --> 00:12:49.320 I think you will see it happen in at least 308 00:12:49.399 --> 00:12:51.840 a few games, because I think that the team that 309 00:12:51.960 --> 00:12:56.600 drafts Travis Hunter will want to entertain the idea and 310 00:12:56.720 --> 00:12:58.840 support the idea in the way that like, you know, 311 00:12:59.039 --> 00:13:02.000 when you're ten year old starts doing card magic, you're like, yeah, 312 00:13:02.039 --> 00:13:03.519 go for it, dude, Like you know, this is probably 313 00:13:03.559 --> 00:13:05.240 not going to become anything, and like this is a 314 00:13:05.519 --> 00:13:07.919 little bit awkward and weird, but like you know, kind 315 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:09.440 of we want, you know, we want to be a 316 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:11.519 positive force for you. Right. So Travis Hunter comes into 317 00:13:11.519 --> 00:13:13.360 the league, He's a total rookie. He says, I can 318 00:13:13.440 --> 00:13:15.480 do something that hasn't been done in twenty five thirty years. 319 00:13:15.679 --> 00:13:17.480 All right, man, go for it, and like you're gonna 320 00:13:17.480 --> 00:13:19.240 give him some snaps at receiver, give him some snaps 321 00:13:19.240 --> 00:13:20.759 of corner, and then you're gonna need with them in 322 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:23.000 three weeks and say, hey, listen, you know, like we've 323 00:13:23.039 --> 00:13:25.360 got GVS tracking data says you know you're not moving 324 00:13:25.399 --> 00:13:27.039 it's fast in the fourth course as you do otherwise, 325 00:13:27.200 --> 00:13:28.799 we're going to try to bring your corner snaps down. 326 00:13:28.919 --> 00:13:30.759 You try to reach a middle ground with him. He's 327 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:33.639 very clearly committed to at least giving it an effort, 328 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:35.080 and I think you have to. If you're going to 329 00:13:35.159 --> 00:13:37.200 draft the player you want to keep him mentally engaged, 330 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:40.519 you have to at least entertain that effort to some degree. Now, 331 00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:43.200 the Brown saying they think him as a receiver, to 332 00:13:43.279 --> 00:13:45.919 me is very it's a smart way to go about it, 333 00:13:46.080 --> 00:13:49.519 because it's much harder to be a full time receiver 334 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:52.320 and moonlight at corner then it is to be a 335 00:13:52.440 --> 00:13:55.200 full time corner moonlight at receiver. Because if you want 336 00:13:55.240 --> 00:13:57.720 to play fifteen snaps at receiver, I can just on 337 00:13:57.799 --> 00:14:00.480 the sideline tell you, hey, you know we're A and seven. 338 00:14:00.480 --> 00:14:02.480 We're calling this, you're running this route, quarterback in the 339 00:14:02.759 --> 00:14:04.720 in the in the pocket, and the huddle. Excuse me 340 00:14:04.879 --> 00:14:06.639 can tell you, Hey, I remember it's an eighteen yard dig. 341 00:14:06.679 --> 00:14:08.720 You know it's easy to kind of plug and chug 342 00:14:08.840 --> 00:14:11.519 you there. At receiver at corner, Well, you got to 343 00:14:11.559 --> 00:14:13.200 know what happens if they motion. You got to know 344 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:15.200 what happens if they walk out under center play action 345 00:14:15.519 --> 00:14:17.480 was they they move it this way three by one. 346 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:20.360 There's so much more that can happen on any given play. 347 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:23.320 So if you want a guy to become one position 348 00:14:23.480 --> 00:14:25.519 full time and you kind of want to discourage him 349 00:14:25.559 --> 00:14:27.679 from doing the second position, I would put him full 350 00:14:27.720 --> 00:14:29.960 time at receiver and then have him experience some of 351 00:14:29.960 --> 00:14:32.279 the challenges of trying to moonlight at corner as opposed 352 00:14:32.279 --> 00:14:33.960 to flip flop of it. So I think you're going 353 00:14:34.000 --> 00:14:36.320 to see Travis Hunter end up being a full time 354 00:14:36.399 --> 00:14:40.039 receiver for the Browns end of his rookie contract, second 355 00:14:40.080 --> 00:14:41.879 year whatever. But I think they'll they'll take the tires 356 00:14:41.919 --> 00:14:43.159 on seeing what he looks like as a two way 357 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:43.960 player who's. 358 00:14:43.759 --> 00:14:45.559 Throwing on the ball, who's going to be under Shuter 359 00:14:45.639 --> 00:14:46.120 in Cleveland. 360 00:14:47.120 --> 00:14:49.200 If they draft Hunter, I would love for them to 361 00:14:49.279 --> 00:14:52.519 draft standers because this has gone, in my opinion, under 362 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:56.559 talked about in the process. The connection between Shador Sanders 363 00:14:56.600 --> 00:15:00.679 and Travis Hunter for collegiate players is very impressive. Right, 364 00:15:00.879 --> 00:15:02.919 These guys have been throwing, pitching, and cashing each other 365 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:07.279 for four seasons jackson State at Jacksonville State. Excuse me, 366 00:15:07.799 --> 00:15:11.639 into Colorado. You know we've seen top ten picks a quarterback, 367 00:15:11.720 --> 00:15:13.679 sort of top ten picture receiver. We watched to a 368 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:16.519 sort of Jaylen Waddell and and Vaque Smith. It looked 369 00:15:17.320 --> 00:15:20.519 nothing like this, right, Caleb Williams are not killables in Rome, 370 00:15:20.559 --> 00:15:22.679 do their our teamates now? They aren't previously, But we've 371 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:26.279 seen these combos and in terms of the way they 372 00:15:26.320 --> 00:15:28.159 adjust routed from the fly, the way the shad or 373 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:29.960 throws to him back shoulder, the way that he trust 374 00:15:30.000 --> 00:15:33.399 him in contested situations, like they have a very good relationship. 375 00:15:33.519 --> 00:15:36.399 So to me, if the Browns get Hunter at wide receiver, 376 00:15:36.759 --> 00:15:39.279 it would move Sanders up my draft board for them, 377 00:15:39.320 --> 00:15:41.759 and so I like Sanders as a Browns quarterback. They 378 00:15:41.759 --> 00:15:43.960 also seem like they're interested in Shuck as well. The 379 00:15:44.039 --> 00:15:46.679 Louisville kid. I expect those the two names I look 380 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:47.320 at for Cleveland. 381 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:50.279 I will not ask you if Aaron Rodgers will play 382 00:15:50.320 --> 00:15:52.240 for the Steelers, but I will ask you what their 383 00:15:52.600 --> 00:15:55.360 situation is under center and how they kind of solve 384 00:15:55.440 --> 00:15:57.879 this issue. If it's not going to be Aaron, who's 385 00:15:57.919 --> 00:15:59.360 going to be the quarterback for the Steelers. 386 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:01.799 Yeah, I think that they absolutely have to take a 387 00:16:01.879 --> 00:16:04.120 quarterback with one of their first two packs. Remember no 388 00:16:04.240 --> 00:16:06.519 second round pick because the dk met cap trades. They 389 00:16:06.559 --> 00:16:08.559 have their pick at twenty and then they have a 390 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:10.480 mid third round. Or if you don't think the guy 391 00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:13.039 in the first round, I think it's pretty much non negotiable. 392 00:16:13.279 --> 00:16:15.120 You have to see the guy on day two. I 393 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:17.279 think that they are taking a long, hard look at 394 00:16:17.320 --> 00:16:19.360 Sanders because I think a month ago they didn't think 395 00:16:19.360 --> 00:16:21.000 Sanders was going to get some theother twenty. Now it 396 00:16:21.039 --> 00:16:23.279 looks like that's a lot more likely. So to me, 397 00:16:23.639 --> 00:16:26.879 I think Sanders is someone that they're zeroing in on. 398 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:28.840 I'm not confident if they like him or dislike them 399 00:16:28.840 --> 00:16:30.159 out of the direction, but I think they're doing that 400 00:16:30.279 --> 00:16:32.879 legwork now and I think that they've you seen them 401 00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:35.080