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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen twenty two, a newlywed couple decided to take

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<v Speaker 1>a daring venture for their honeymoon. Now, unlike today, a

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<v Speaker 1>daring venture didn't mean a carefully planned skydive or an

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<v Speaker 1>involved hiking trip through national parks. This was a record

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<v Speaker 1>setting trip planned through what was considered the roughest rapids

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<v Speaker 1>in the world, all in the dead of winter. Now, eventually,

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<v Speaker 1>when they didn't make it to their destination, many assumed

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<v Speaker 1>the worst. But when facts started rolling in, and as

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<v Speaker 1>search parties went out and time passed, things began to

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<v Speaker 1>take a much darker turn.

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<v Speaker 2>Warning.

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<v Speaker 1>The following podcast contains graphic content and material intended for

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<v Speaker 1>mature audience. Listener discretion is advised. Hey, how's it going.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening to

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<v Speaker 2>Wicked and Grim.

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<v Speaker 1>A true crime podcast. You splashed a little, then I

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<v Speaker 1>did a little bit. There was a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a pre drink.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all over the place, pre dribble, all over our

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<v Speaker 2>electronic What is that called?

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<v Speaker 1>It's a soundboard, our soundboard. There you go. If you're

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<v Speaker 1>curious what kind of soundboard we use, we use the

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<v Speaker 1>zoom pod track P. Eight And I just got a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of beer on it.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're sponsored now by them, just kidding.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish we were sponsored by Zoom. Wow, that would

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<v Speaker 1>be incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>One day, one day, maybe maybe.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe baby, we'll be sponsored by you. Maybe baby. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know where I'm at now.

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<v Speaker 2>We're definitely not going.

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<v Speaker 1>To be never babb it will be soon. There we go.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the second part. Wow, well done, thank you, thanks funny.

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<v Speaker 1>If only that rolled off the tongue immediately. Hey wow, okay, well, welcome,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome back. I am in an incredibly good mood. Multiple reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>What are those reasons?

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<v Speaker 1>Number one, just came back from vacation, week long vacation, chilling.

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<v Speaker 1>I am high on energy and life. Second of all,

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<v Speaker 1>we just came back from mountain biking, and holy shit,

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<v Speaker 1>that was a good run.

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<v Speaker 2>It was awesome, one of my best runs.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, I was thrilled. Well, long story short, Nicole is

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit tentative on the trails.

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<v Speaker 2>Rightfully, sokay, honestly I was better, I feel like at

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<v Speaker 2>one point, but then I had gnarly fall, which I

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<v Speaker 2>think we said on here, and then since then I've

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<v Speaker 2>been a little bit chicken shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and rightfully so mountain biking can be scary, so

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<v Speaker 1>you're fairly new to it, yeah, and you're diving into

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<v Speaker 1>it with me. You're kind of exploring it along with

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<v Speaker 1>me because you know I like it, So you're diving

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<v Speaker 1>in for me. I guess that's what we should say.

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<v Speaker 1>And so your tentative, you're learning. And then all of

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<v Speaker 1>a sudden today it seemed like a switch flipped and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like Nicole is no longer like learning. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>she fucking learned and she was flying on the trails.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you couldn't. You were less like shocked.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like you were just like am I mountain.

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<v Speaker 1>Biking with you? It was incredible, So well done. Cheers

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<v Speaker 1>to you on that cheers.

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<v Speaker 2>Really fun, but it was it was hard. It was

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<v Speaker 2>a struggle. I'm a little bit raspy, I feel like,

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<v Speaker 2>because I was just like gasping for air friggin for

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<v Speaker 2>like two hours.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's it's a workout and a half. For those

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<v Speaker 1>who don't know, Like, mountain biking doesn't have to be

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<v Speaker 1>this crazy downhill stuff you see in world competitions, but

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<v Speaker 1>it is an incredible workout even if you are doing

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<v Speaker 1>just downhill stuff because you're throwing your body around, you're

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<v Speaker 1>still peddling, you're giving her. It's a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and where we were, where we go, like we

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<v Speaker 2>have to pedal to get to the uphill.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it's we we pedal uphill and we go downhill.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's cross country stuff, so you're going up and down,

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<v Speaker 1>up and down round corners, over roots, technical stuff, rocky terrain. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so it becomes quite quite quite the workout, let's put

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<v Speaker 1>it that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a blast. Yeah, and you did incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>So now I have to get you out paddle boarding

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<v Speaker 2>with me. That can be our new newest hobby.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I do have a kayak. I'll go kayaking with kings.

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<v Speaker 2>Paddle boarding is next level. I feel like, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>you gotta at least try it. You can just try it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll fuel on the kayak, you can try the paddle

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<v Speaker 2>I'll try it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll try it. But I feel like for me, I

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<v Speaker 1>think kayaking and paddle boarding is going to be the

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<v Speaker 1>same you think I do, because I picture paddle boarding

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<v Speaker 1>just like kayaking. It's a chill thing. You go out,

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<v Speaker 1>you chill in the water. And when I'm doing something

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<v Speaker 1>like this, I don't appreciate the chill in between. I

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<v Speaker 1>like to get to a destination and then chill.

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<v Speaker 2>See like I could literally just paddle out to the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of the lake, lay there for freaking an hour

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<v Speaker 2>and then battle back and that rob just own's torturous.

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<v Speaker 2>But like I'm obsessed with just laying in the sun

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<v Speaker 2>on the water. Oh the best?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, not so so much for meat. I need I

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<v Speaker 1>need a task. I need a destiny to relax, I

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<v Speaker 1>do after my task and destination. For example, you go

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<v Speaker 1>want to hike. I need to hike to the peak

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<v Speaker 1>of the mountain and enjoy the view. You know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, right, I need a destiny and you'll enjoy

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<v Speaker 1>the way. Yes, I need a goal, okay, And I

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<v Speaker 1>don't feel like there's a goal with paddle boarding and kayaking.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like the goal is to just go chill.

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<v Speaker 1>But I need an in between. Oh just chilling in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle.

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<v Speaker 2>And well, I have a drink. If I if you

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<v Speaker 2>had a bevy, would that help you?

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<v Speaker 1>It would? It probably would? So, Actually, do you want

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to know what else is really awesome? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Our patrons they are. They're mighty awesome. They are mighty

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<v Speaker 1>mighty awesome. There's that our new slogan patrons are mighty awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Might We're gonna start calling them our mighty ducks. They

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<v Speaker 1>represent us in a flying V. Quack quack quack quack

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<v Speaker 1>quack quack quack quack. Sorry, wow, I don't even know

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<v Speaker 1>how to follow that. I popped into my head. I

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<v Speaker 1>went with it. Anyways, we have a whole slew of

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<v Speaker 1>you to thank this week because we did a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a pre recording because I was going on

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<v Speaker 1>vacation right We recorded a few days early. So buckle

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<v Speaker 1>up because I'm about to read a whole list of

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<v Speaker 1>people amazing, and I'm probably gonna butcher some names. That

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<v Speaker 1>is our true style. And one person even emailed us

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<v Speaker 1>or messaged us on Patreon about their name, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>probably gonna but you theirs, but I'm going to do

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<v Speaker 1>my best. You might still. Yeah, So we have Diane Libert,

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<v Speaker 1>Dallas Buris, Amber, Melissa Harper, Kimberly sex Smith, Joshua p

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<v Speaker 1>because literal numbers in there, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Alex right on that's a good list of names, right, that.

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<v Speaker 1>Is I really hope I actually represented everyone's names.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you read it strong, so like you, I

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<v Speaker 2>believe you.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's the key. Confidence is key.

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<v Speaker 2>Fake it till you make it, really pretend pretty much. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not very good at that, but I'm trying. I

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<v Speaker 2>did that a little bit with mountain biking. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, my fall didn't kill me. I'm still

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<v Speaker 2>mountain biking. Let's do the shit.

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<v Speaker 1>That that that don't kill me can only make me stronger.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I only have a few scars for the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of my life. But let's do this.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of let's do this, do you want to? Let's

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<v Speaker 1>do this?

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<v Speaker 2>And I love to.

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<v Speaker 1>I would love to. So this episode was actually featured

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<v Speaker 1>on Unsolved Mysteries back in the day. Brings us back

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<v Speaker 1>a bit. This was actually featured prior to the Them

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<v Speaker 1>becoming a whole TV show. So this was a quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote TV special number four. There's three cases within this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe it was three, maybe four cases actually now

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<v Speaker 1>i'm thinking of it. But anyways, it was one of

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<v Speaker 1>the cases in that episode. And when this show actually

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<v Speaker 1>was signed, and I believe it was nineteen eighty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>they were signed to a network to actually become a

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<v Speaker 1>TV series. This episode featuring this case became season number one,

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<v Speaker 1>episode number one.

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<v Speaker 2>Nineteen eighty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, yes, oh see, because I thought it was a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit newer than that because no Unsolved Mysteries predates us,

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<v Speaker 1>but like.

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<v Speaker 2>Showed out to unsolved mysteries because it got all of

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<v Speaker 2>us into like true crime. That's like literally why we're

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<v Speaker 2>here in any way, through and through.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for me, the whole mysteries, paranormal crime, it was

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<v Speaker 1>unsolved mysteries, Are You Afraid of the Dark? And Goosebump Sumps, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>those are the three big ones for me because.

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<v Speaker 2>Goosebumps was also book, right, yes it was, and TV shows.

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<v Speaker 1>Well Goosebumps was strictly fiction, but the stories were still.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, and then what's so it was are You

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<v Speaker 2>Afraid at the Darknight?

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<v Speaker 1>I think of it. But still there was other books

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<v Speaker 2>I can't recall them at right at the top of

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<v Speaker 2>my head here, but yeah, unsolved mysteries, Like I remember

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<v Speaker 2>sitting there watching that with like my mom.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I know, like it wasn't my jam Back in

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<v Speaker 1>the David Nancy Drew all the mysteries and shit from that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, I was something else I was thinking about,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's a bit newer. I can't I can't recall.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like the books like the Canadian ghost Stories or something. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>what are those?

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<v Speaker 2>What are those?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Fuck, I can't remember where.

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<v Speaker 2>There are so many, Like there's even like Rocky Mountain,

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<v Speaker 2>like Northern BC, Like it's probably can in a why,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I don't know if they have the mistakes, But

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<v Speaker 2>there's these books that just have a million short stories

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<v Speaker 2>of like literal ghost stories mostly.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you are just rocking my world right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't thought of those books in a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a big one for me too. I was

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<v Speaker 1>I remember actually going to the schoolastic book fair and

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<v Speaker 1>I purchased one of those books back.

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<v Speaker 2>In the day, and a lot of people had the

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<v Speaker 2>that they're in the shitters next to the toilets, like

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<v Speaker 2>so that you're like you're reading the ship while you're like,

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<v Speaker 1>Reading the ship while you're taking a ship, you know

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<v Speaker 1>how you take the short stories.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like here's here's a book.

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<v Speaker 1>Well you know, well it was either you had the

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<v Speaker 1>ghost stories or an archie comic that was that was

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<v Speaker 1>what was in your bathroom?

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<v Speaker 2>Or search search words or something. Is that what it's called?

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<v Speaker 1>Then, Like, yeah, okay, this is a long ass intro though,

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<v Speaker 1>we're almost at ten minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go, let's go.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's buckle down and get to this case. So this

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<v Speaker 1>case starts us off with bess Bessie Lewis Hayley. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>she was born on December twenty ninth in nineteen o five,

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<v Speaker 1>where she grew up in Parksburg, West Virginia. She had

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<v Speaker 1>brown hair, and it was cut kind of like an

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<v Speaker 1>older fashioned style of like that bob cut that we

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<v Speaker 1>all know nowadays, kind of like that, but instead of

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<v Speaker 1>like the the gradient where it's a little bit shorter

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<v Speaker 1>than back and longer in front, it was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>just even all the way through, like you put.

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<v Speaker 2>A bowl on your head kind of thing and cut around.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of, but it was like almost down to her shoulders. Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So she kind of had a haircut like that, and

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<v Speaker 1>she had nice bright brown eyes. You know, she was

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<v Speaker 1>a really good girl sort of thing. Now, Bessie would

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<v Speaker 1>eventually marry a man by the name of Earl Hemlick. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the two said their vows and tie the knot on

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<v Speaker 1>June fifth, in nineteen twenty six in Cattlesburg, Kentucky. Bessie

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<v Speaker 1>and Earle had known each other for a while as

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<v Speaker 1>they attended high school together, which would of course blossom

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<v Speaker 1>into their current relationship. Now, during this time, Bessie was

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<v Speaker 1>going to school at Marshall College. It was actually part

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<v Speaker 1>of their agreement to Mary that she could continue her

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<v Speaker 1>college education. So Bessie had this itch for education. It

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<v Speaker 1>was reported that after the wedding she planned to study

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<v Speaker 1>during the following year in San Francisco, California.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, in the nineteen twenties, traveling was not like it's,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a normal thing today like people did actually

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<v Speaker 1>for women in a married relationship right right.

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<v Speaker 2>And going about getting an education and such.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, which is why it was part of her marital

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<v Speaker 1>agreement that could continue her education. Good for her, I know, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like what a boss babe.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So this became, you know, of rumors of this spread

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<v Speaker 1>that Bessie was actually pregnant because of these situations. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure why this is. This is actually rather

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<v Speaker 1>normal type of rumor for this to occur when women

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<v Speaker 1>were to go off and do things or move or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it was. It was kind of normal for this

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<v Speaker 1>rumor to happen that they were pregnant. Oh why that

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<v Speaker 1>seems so I don't know why, right, Why they're doing

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<v Speaker 1>like why they're pursuing different things. Why traveling or school

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever equals baby? Well, yeah, because you think it.

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<v Speaker 2>Would be the opposite if you were pregnant, that you

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be venturing off, you don't necessarily and doing these

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<v Speaker 2>other things.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And like maybe it's because people had nothing better

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<v Speaker 1>to do with their time than spread rumors back in

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<v Speaker 1>the day. And I mean people still do that shit today.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not certainly an unrealistic thing to occur, so whatever

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<v Speaker 1>the Yeah, So whatever the reason was, her actually going

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<v Speaker 1>to travel for education brought up the rumor that she

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<v Speaker 1>was pregnant. Now, there was never any confirmation of this,

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<v Speaker 1>as she never delivered a child. So anyways, the reason

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<v Speaker 1>for her travel, whatever it was, it was for school.

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<v Speaker 1>She was not pregnant. That's all we know now either way.

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<v Speaker 1>Bessie and Earle only lived together for two months after

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<v Speaker 1>their marriage before she would spread spread her wings for

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<v Speaker 1>her adventurous life and head out for San Francisco in

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<v Speaker 1>February of nineteen twenty seven. Now, she bought a ticket

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<v Speaker 1>and hopped aboard a passenger ship making its way to

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles, California. There, just like the cinematic Titanic, she

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<v Speaker 1>met a farmer outdoorsman from oh from Idaho named Glenn Hyde.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh oh o inde oh well kind of okay? Well.

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<v Speaker 1>The two quickly became good friends, and the relationship quickly

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<v Speaker 1>flourished from good friends into much more. Dang, and they

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<v Speaker 1>began a romantic relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>Dang, I don't love that at all.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't either, but the two seemed to be a

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<v Speaker 1>match made for each other, so much so that Bessie

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<v Speaker 1>clearly dropped her current marriage. Her husband, Earl, became old

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<v Speaker 1>news as she sailed away into the sunset with Glenn. However,

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<v Speaker 1>Glenn wasn't going to just let Bessie walk out of

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<v Speaker 1>his life quite so easy. There wasn't a lot he

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<v Speaker 1>could really do in terms of what Bessie was doing.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he was in another state, across the country,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever you want to say. So when he was presented

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<v Speaker 1>with divorce papers, however, he did try his best and

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<v Speaker 1>he refused to sign so Bessie seemed to be stuck

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<v Speaker 1>in this marriage when she really didn't want to be

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<v Speaker 1>with this guy and she really wanted to be with

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<v Speaker 1>Glenn instead, So she found a loophole. Bessie realized all

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<v Speaker 1>she needed to do was to move out of state

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<v Speaker 1>to a specific area, so she moved to Elko, Nevada

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<v Speaker 1>to meet the correct residency requirements. She was required to

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<v Speaker 1>reside here for six weeks to claim her residency. When

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<v Speaker 1>she did this with very little funds to her name,

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<v Speaker 1>and during which the time she was described as being

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<v Speaker 1>starving and sometimes faint from lack of food. Oh wow,

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<v Speaker 1>But she was determined to marry the man she loved.

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<v Speaker 2>She does seem like a very determined woman.

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<v Speaker 1>She does very strong, hand willed woman. So in the

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<v Speaker 1>divorce proceedings, Bessie actually commented that the marriage was quote

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<v Speaker 1>loveless and that Earl was indifferent to her by saying

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<v Speaker 1>that he quote did not seem to care if she returned.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I I don't know. I was like

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<v Speaker 2>pretty pumped about Earl because like way back in there

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<v Speaker 2>and he's still kind of letting his wife live the

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<v Speaker 2>life she wanted. And now this happens like it kind

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<v Speaker 2>of feel bad for him, to be honest.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, right, So, whatever the case against Earl's wishes

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<v Speaker 1>for their divorce, it was finalized on April first of

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenty eight, and Glenn and Bessie got married in

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<v Speaker 1>Twin Falls, Idaho on April twelfth, just twenty four hours

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<v Speaker 1>after she had officially divorced. That's rough. That is pretty brutal.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. And I had like this tiny little theory that

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<v Speaker 2>I won't bring up, but that's just out the window

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<v Speaker 2>now at this point. Okay, wow, wow, wow, wow. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't love that at all. That's like rude.

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<v Speaker 1>It is. What was your theory?

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<v Speaker 2>You know? Because I know a little bit about this,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'll save it till later. I'll save it, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll save it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'll put it this way. Any information we've shared

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<v Speaker 1>so far, it's just background information. We're just getting to

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<v Speaker 1>know our individuals exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>And you've mentioned just tidbits, tiny things. I don't know much,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm just gonna save that till like, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Fair enough. So the two were ready to take on

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<v Speaker 1>the world, and with Glenn being a great outdoorsman that

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<v Speaker 1>he was, they decided to take their honeymoon on a

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<v Speaker 1>rafting trip down the Green River and the Colorado River

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<v Speaker 1>during the fall of nineteen twenty eight. Now, this, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, is a trip through the rivers in the

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<v Speaker 1>Grand Canyon itself. Now, the trip would consist of several

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<v Speaker 1>different stops along miles and miles of winding and rapid

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<v Speaker 1>filled river. Not an easy task for anyone. Good thing,

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<v Speaker 1>Glenn wasn't just anyone. He had traveled rivers before and

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<v Speaker 1>built boats to suit them as well built them by hand.

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<v Speaker 1>Glenn's prior experience and perhaps could be better described as conquests,

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<v Speaker 1>were the Peace River in Canada and Salmon River in Idaho.

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<v Speaker 1>He was also very familiar with reading river currents from

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<v Speaker 1>his time in Canada when he spent living here, and

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<v Speaker 1>Glenn had spent a lot of time growing up in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>on the coast of British Columbia boating with his family. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>while he traversed the Salmon River, for example, in Idaho,

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<v Speaker 1>he used his life lung knowledge and skill to conquer

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<v Speaker 1>what the infamous Lewis and Clark actually avoided on their

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<v Speaker 1>journey across the United States due to safety reasons. So

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<v Speaker 1>he was doing what professionals and what these pioneers considered unsafe.

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<v Speaker 1>He was going for it.

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<v Speaker 2>See that is impressive and impressed me a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>But like, I don't have any interest in that. No,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I've thought at one point that I've maybe wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to try what is it called?

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<v Speaker 1>What is that?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you call that?

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<v Speaker 1>White water rat?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, there you go, But I'm like, no, no, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought about it once, but then no, like.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think, like, you're on this boat and you're

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<v Speaker 2>just like I think I would be fucking terrified, to

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<v Speaker 2>be honest.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's not for me either. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I would have to go on a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>like I love water, but I'd have to go on

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty like chill rapid one like very chill like

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<v Speaker 2>one way you.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you know, cruise on a paddle board maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>Not even I like lakes for battle boarding. So I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. Good on them though, So this is intriguing

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<v Speaker 2>to me that they're even doing this so well.

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<v Speaker 1>Glenn certainly didn't have a problem with it. He was brave,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, daring and prideful in fact of his accomplishments,

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<v Speaker 1>while Bessie, on the other hand, well, for lack of words.

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<v Speaker 1>She was inexperienced.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, he's lucky to be alive, really, and what is

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<v Speaker 2>what I think?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's he's gone through a lot. Let's put it

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<v Speaker 1>that way now. Bessie, though she was adventuroist and strong

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<v Speaker 1>in her own right, like we already talked about. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>she was not someone who spent a lifetime outdoors battling

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<v Speaker 1>rivers and forests, so she didn't have the background that

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<v Speaker 1>he did. Okay, so this was rather new for her

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<v Speaker 1>and such the Grand Canyon trip was actually rather new

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<v Speaker 1>for women as a whole. The trip they planned would

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<v Speaker 1>put Bessie in the history books as a first woman

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<v Speaker 1>to make the trip. Wow. And on top of that,

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<v Speaker 1>Glenn actually wanted to make the trip in record time

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<v Speaker 1>as well. Then even higher on a pedestal of greatness.

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<v Speaker 2>Set around Glenn I married. Let's like live through the honeymoon,

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<v Speaker 2>shall we?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? No kidding. So his plan was to make the

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<v Speaker 1>trip and afterwards write about it. He hadeas of telling Sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>he had ideas of telling stories, speaking at seminars, and

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<v Speaker 1>making a living as a great outdoorsman who made the

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<v Speaker 1>trip like no one ever could. He would give advice

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<v Speaker 1>on how others could hope to follow in their great footsteps.

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<v Speaker 1>He would be remembered as great with a great wife

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<v Speaker 1>by his side. There were also talks of them hoping

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<v Speaker 1>to create a film about their journey afterwards as well. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but accounts vary, and no one could really approve anything

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<v Speaker 1>of these accounts. Now, if they're really chasing fame or anything,

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<v Speaker 1>who knows. All we know is that they were getting

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<v Speaker 1>ready for an adventure of a lifetime and they were

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<v Speaker 1>wanting to set some records along the way.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, I'm a little impressed. I'm not gonna lie,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a little impressed.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a daring adventure to say the least. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to hear all about this. Oh, you'll hear all

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<v Speaker 1>about it. So they began by building a boat with

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<v Speaker 1>some help, and it took them two days. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a twenty foot wooden sweep scow, which is a type

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<v Speaker 1>of boat used by river runners in the time in Idaho.

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<v Speaker 2>Shit it's wooden, ah, Like that's what they had back then.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, they made that's even more terrifying. Like, hey,

423
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<v Speaker 2>i'm out, I'm done.

424
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<v Speaker 1>Well, then the couple would officially head down the river canyons,

425
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<v Speaker 1>starting in Green River in Utah in October twentieth of

426
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<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenty eight.

427
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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, I'm terrified for them, their wooden boat. Terrified.

428
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<v Speaker 1>Now. From there, the trip was laid out to take

429
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<v Speaker 1>them all the way down through the Colorado River, where

430
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<v Speaker 1>they would end up in sunny California. Their trip began

431
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<v Speaker 1>to gain some notice and traction. People all around started

432
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<v Speaker 1>talking about the newlyweds and the dangerous trip. Radios and

433
00:21:51.559 --> 00:21:55.720
<v Speaker 1>newspaper began talking about the couple, and an ap bulletin

434
00:21:55.799 --> 00:21:57.759
<v Speaker 1>was put out in the paper and it went something

435
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<v Speaker 1>a little bit like this. November twenty one, nineteen twenty eight,

436
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<v Speaker 1>Miss Glen R. Hide of Hanson, Idaho is taking a

437
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<v Speaker 1>vacation frolic with her husband by trying to navigate the

438
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<v Speaker 1>Colorado River, dangerous rapids and all in a homemade scow.

439
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<v Speaker 1>The foaming Colorado River, whose muddy, turbulent waters have wrapped

440
00:22:20.799 --> 00:22:24.200
<v Speaker 1>in tragedy many times, the effort of a man to

441
00:22:24.279 --> 00:22:27.359
<v Speaker 1>conquer it by boat is being dared for the first

442
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<v Speaker 1>time by a woman as a vacation frolic. Somewhere between Needles, California,

443
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<v Speaker 1>and here, Miss Glen R. Hide of Hanson, Idaho and

444
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<v Speaker 1>her husband are crunching in a homemade scow as they

445
00:22:41.640 --> 00:22:45.960
<v Speaker 1>tumble over dangerous rapids down the twisting river. The journey

446
00:22:46.200 --> 00:22:49.640
<v Speaker 1>is over what is known as the inland water Route.

447
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<v Speaker 1>They first launched their scow in Green River, Utah. Never

448
00:22:54.079 --> 00:22:57.119
<v Speaker 1>before has a woman attempted to triumph over the long

449
00:22:57.200 --> 00:23:00.960
<v Speaker 1>stretch of the Colorado, one of the most difficult and

450
00:23:01.079 --> 00:23:05.839
<v Speaker 1>dangerous rivers in the continent. All previous expeditions lined their

451
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<v Speaker 1>boats down the more dangerous passage. While the hide scow

452
00:23:09.599 --> 00:23:13.440
<v Speaker 1>is without aid and other than its two passengers can render,

453
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<v Speaker 1>the adventure, undertaken as part of the couple's vacation, also

454
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<v Speaker 1>will set another record if it is successful. The scow

455
00:23:22.039 --> 00:23:25.599
<v Speaker 1>is constructed of two by four planks and double bottomed.

456
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<v Speaker 1>Huge sweeps at stern and bow guide it the river's

457
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<v Speaker 1>current supply its motive power.

458
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<v Speaker 2>I have a question, yes, okay, are they doing this?

459
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<v Speaker 2>Just the two of them? Yes, just the two of

460
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<v Speaker 2>them in this boat.

461
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<v Speaker 1>Just the two of them. Okay, I missed that. I guess,

462
00:23:43.480 --> 00:23:47.240
<v Speaker 1>holy shit, just the two of them, just the two

463
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<v Speaker 1>of them. They can make it. If they try, just

464
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<v Speaker 1>the two of them.

465
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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't take much to get you going.

466
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<v Speaker 1>Do they die?

467
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<v Speaker 2>Okay?

468
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<v Speaker 1>Wow? And he built this boat with some help, yes,

469
00:24:01.519 --> 00:24:02.640
<v Speaker 1>but he did built this boat.

470
00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:06.839
<v Speaker 2>But it's almostly. She's like getting more attention in a

471
00:24:06.880 --> 00:24:09.680
<v Speaker 2>sense because it's like a bigger deal that she's going

472
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<v Speaker 2>on this.

473
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<v Speaker 1>Yes she is. But so there's two records being set.

474
00:24:14.839 --> 00:24:16.880
<v Speaker 1>Of course, a woman is doing the trip, which has

475
00:24:16.920 --> 00:24:19.960
<v Speaker 1>never been done before, and they're doing it in record time,

476
00:24:20.920 --> 00:24:23.519
<v Speaker 1>so it's kind of and it's just the two of them, and.

477
00:24:23.440 --> 00:24:26.839
<v Speaker 2>It's their honeymoon, like literally probably no one would be

478
00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:29.880
<v Speaker 2>doing a honeymoon to this extent exactly back then.

479
00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:33.960
<v Speaker 1>Yep. So it took the couple twenty six days to

480
00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:36.079
<v Speaker 1>reach a location in the heart of the canyon called

481
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<v Speaker 1>the Bright Angle Trail. It in itself was a new

482
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<v Speaker 1>record when they arrived. Now they were going at an

483
00:24:42.680 --> 00:24:45.960
<v Speaker 1>incredible pace. And there when they reached it, they hiked

484
00:24:45.960 --> 00:24:48.720
<v Speaker 1>out of the canyon to resupply, and they visited an

485
00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:51.960
<v Speaker 1>experienced river rafter in the area. The man by the

486
00:24:52.039 --> 00:24:55.279
<v Speaker 1>name of Emery Kolb lived there and had already gone

487
00:24:55.359 --> 00:24:59.680
<v Speaker 1>through navigating the same Colorado River rapids twice before he

488
00:24:59.759 --> 00:25:02.319
<v Speaker 1>knew what the couple were doing. He knew the risks

489
00:25:02.359 --> 00:25:04.799
<v Speaker 1>they were taking, and he knew the most dangerous stretch

490
00:25:04.920 --> 00:25:08.599
<v Speaker 1>of their adventure was still ahead. Now, Emery was a

491
00:25:08.599 --> 00:25:13.039
<v Speaker 1>photographer alongside with his brother Elfsworth. They arrived in nineteen

492
00:25:13.079 --> 00:25:16.960
<v Speaker 1>oh two, and there their studio was operating from nineteen

493
00:25:16.960 --> 00:25:20.359
<v Speaker 1>oh four to nineteen seventy six. Wow. Now, fun fact

494
00:25:20.359 --> 00:25:23.319
<v Speaker 1>their studio actually still stands today as a historic site.

495
00:25:23.440 --> 00:25:25.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, that is amazing.

496
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love that. So Emory greeted the couple as

497
00:25:28.559 --> 00:25:31.519
<v Speaker 1>they arrived and took one look at their boat and

498
00:25:31.599 --> 00:25:34.279
<v Speaker 1>knew that they could. You know, what they had built

499
00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:37.759
<v Speaker 1>wasn't safe for the trip ahead. Put that way, it wasn't.

500
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<v Speaker 1>He was especially shocked and concerned when he learned neither

501
00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:43.640
<v Speaker 1>Bessie nor Glenn had life jackets.

502
00:25:43.960 --> 00:25:47.720
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, Yeah, they're going all in on this, they are,

503
00:25:48.519 --> 00:25:51.160
<v Speaker 2>but safety first. Really, like, that's not all in, that's

504
00:25:51.200 --> 00:25:52.240
<v Speaker 2>like dumb.

505
00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:55.640
<v Speaker 1>But that's part of Glenn's stick. Set the record, do

506
00:25:55.759 --> 00:25:58.839
<v Speaker 1>it with all the risks. We did it without life jackets.

507
00:25:58.839 --> 00:26:01.960
<v Speaker 2>Even you know, that's a sentence that just never be said.

508
00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:03.759
<v Speaker 2>Who cares if you were a life jacket or not?

509
00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:08.039
<v Speaker 1>For me, I am an occupational health and safety practitioner, like,

510
00:26:08.079 --> 00:26:11.279
<v Speaker 1>that's my job by day. Yeah, trust me, I get it.

511
00:26:11.640 --> 00:26:16.160
<v Speaker 1>You don't need to preach that to me. I'm silly. Yeah.

512
00:26:16.279 --> 00:26:19.559
<v Speaker 1>So Emory tried to convince them to wade out the

513
00:26:19.599 --> 00:26:21.920
<v Speaker 1>winter and continue on in the summer, when the weather

514
00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:24.799
<v Speaker 1>and river conditions would be better for them. He even

515
00:26:24.880 --> 00:26:27.279
<v Speaker 1>offered the couple to stay in his home with them

516
00:26:27.279 --> 00:26:31.039
<v Speaker 1>in the meantime. Oh wow, they however, declined. I knew

517
00:26:31.079 --> 00:26:33.960
<v Speaker 1>they would. Yeah. At the very least, Emory tried to

518
00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:36.480
<v Speaker 1>convince them to take his own life jackets with them.

519
00:26:36.559 --> 00:26:40.480
<v Speaker 1>He offered them up, you know, you need something you

520
00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:43.920
<v Speaker 1>never know if you fall in. He sounds amazing, But

521
00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:47.759
<v Speaker 1>they still that mind. Of course they did. Yeah. Glenn

522
00:26:47.799 --> 00:26:50.160
<v Speaker 1>told him they were both strong swimmers and had no

523
00:26:50.200 --> 00:26:54.079
<v Speaker 1>concerns if one or both of them went overboard. Plus

524
00:26:54.200 --> 00:26:56.440
<v Speaker 1>he had faith not just in their abilities, but in

525
00:26:56.480 --> 00:26:59.519
<v Speaker 1>the boat they had built. Bessie, on the other hand,

526
00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:03.319
<v Speaker 1>didn't seemed so confident. Apparently by this time she had

527
00:27:03.319 --> 00:27:06.160
<v Speaker 1>grown tired and weary the trip. Though Glen was eager

528
00:27:06.200 --> 00:27:08.279
<v Speaker 1>to push on, she may have been a little more

529
00:27:08.319 --> 00:27:12.440
<v Speaker 1>hesitant no matter what Emory said. Though his concerns fell

530
00:27:12.440 --> 00:27:15.720
<v Speaker 1>in deaf years. Emory couldn't do anything to stop them.

531
00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:18.799
<v Speaker 1>All he could do was what he does best. He

532
00:27:18.839 --> 00:27:22.119
<v Speaker 1>brought out his camera, took their picture, and they were

533
00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:23.559
<v Speaker 1>back on their way down the river.

534
00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:24.200
<v Speaker 2>Yike.

535
00:27:24.319 --> 00:27:27.039
<v Speaker 1>So, I mean they're already twenty six days in. That's

536
00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:32.160
<v Speaker 1>a freaking long time, it is now, Like he said, though,

537
00:27:32.519 --> 00:27:35.119
<v Speaker 1>their most dangerous rapids are still ahead of them.

538
00:27:35.559 --> 00:27:36.559
<v Speaker 2>Yikes.

539
00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:39.200
<v Speaker 1>So after they took off again down the river, it's

540
00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:41.400
<v Speaker 1>reported that a man by the name of Adolph G.

541
00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:46.000
<v Speaker 1>Sutro rode from Phantom Ranch to Hermit Rapids alongside the

542
00:27:46.079 --> 00:27:49.480
<v Speaker 1>river with them in their boat. Not in their boat,

543
00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:51.440
<v Speaker 1>but he along the river while they were in their.

544
00:27:51.319 --> 00:27:53.160
<v Speaker 2>Boat, you know, okay, had another boat.

545
00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:55.960
<v Speaker 1>No, he was like on horseback or something on the

546
00:27:55.960 --> 00:27:57.680
<v Speaker 1>side of the river bank while they were in their

547
00:27:57.680 --> 00:28:01.279
<v Speaker 1>Oah weird, Okay, Now, I mean it could have been

548
00:28:01.279 --> 00:28:03.079
<v Speaker 1>in a boat. I'm not too sure. All I know

549
00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:06.440
<v Speaker 1>is he rowed down along the river side. That's what

550
00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:09.119
<v Speaker 1>it says. That's all the information could find. He rode

551
00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:12.079
<v Speaker 1>along the river side. Okay. So I'm assuming horseback. By

552
00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:14.519
<v Speaker 1>the sounds of it, I'm switching to something super awkward.

553
00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:16.759
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why, like this person just following them

554
00:28:16.759 --> 00:28:17.599
<v Speaker 2>that they don't want there.

555
00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:21.240
<v Speaker 1>Well, I don't imagine that they're like even an earshot

556
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:23.039
<v Speaker 1>of each other most of the time, you know, like

557
00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:26.440
<v Speaker 1>he's watching them from across a canyon, you know. Yeah, Okay,

558
00:28:28.160 --> 00:28:33.000
<v Speaker 1>So anyways, eventually, on November eighteenth, nineteen twenty eight, at

559
00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:36.720
<v Speaker 1>the Hermit Rapids, they went down the river out of sight,

560
00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:41.559
<v Speaker 1>and from there they were never seen alive again. Okay,

561
00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:46.920
<v Speaker 1>on November eighteenth, nineteen twenty eight. That's what you said, correct, Wow. Now,

562
00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:49.160
<v Speaker 1>I just want to say, at surface level, this seems

563
00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:53.319
<v Speaker 1>like a pretty cut and dry case overconfidence and inexperience

564
00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:55.480
<v Speaker 1>got the best of these two, and once they reached

565
00:28:55.480 --> 00:28:58.839
<v Speaker 1>the rapids, they couldn't handle their boat. It capsized, they drowned.

566
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:04.160
<v Speaker 1>Why is this a true crime podcast? Right now? That is,

567
00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:07.519
<v Speaker 1>of course a theory, But there is a lot more

568
00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:09.960
<v Speaker 1>to the story still to come that makes this explanation

569
00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:16.240
<v Speaker 1>very almost implausible, or potentially impossible, which is why we're

570
00:29:16.279 --> 00:29:21.720
<v Speaker 1>talking about it today. So to continue on, Bessie and

571
00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:26.440
<v Speaker 1>Glenn were expected to arrive at Needles, California, around December sixth,

572
00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:30.680
<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenty eight, which would have been approximately sick Sorry,

573
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:35.000
<v Speaker 1>three weeks since they were last seen. However, we know

574
00:29:35.359 --> 00:29:39.599
<v Speaker 1>they didn't arrive. Days began to pass after their expected date,

575
00:29:39.680 --> 00:29:42.920
<v Speaker 1>and people eagerly awaited the two. You know, they were

576
00:29:42.920 --> 00:29:45.559
<v Speaker 1>supposed to be coming around the River's bend at any moment,

577
00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:48.119
<v Speaker 1>but of course they never came.

578
00:29:48.240 --> 00:29:49.640
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, they're certain to wonder.

579
00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:54.440
<v Speaker 1>Glenn's father R. C. Hyde was growing anxious. Where were they?

580
00:29:54.920 --> 00:29:58.200
<v Speaker 1>What happened? He wanted to find them, so we contacted

581
00:29:58.319 --> 00:30:03.400
<v Speaker 1>Secretary of War White Davis and explained the situation. Quickly,

582
00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:07.240
<v Speaker 1>they received support from the President of the United States

583
00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:12.440
<v Speaker 1>to conduct searches and issued flights in the area in

584
00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:13.920
<v Speaker 1>an effort to find them.

585
00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:16.119
<v Speaker 2>Wow, they made this a humongous deal.

586
00:30:16.240 --> 00:30:19.640
<v Speaker 1>Hey, they did, now. Rcie Hyde also promptly posted a

587
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:23.000
<v Speaker 1>reward for ten, sorry, one thousand dollars and pleaded with

588
00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:27.880
<v Speaker 1>Native Americans and indigenous individuals and families in the area

589
00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:31.359
<v Speaker 1>who were familiar to go out and search as.

590
00:30:31.319 --> 00:30:34.359
<v Speaker 2>Well for any missing pieces bodies, probably part of the

591
00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:35.880
<v Speaker 2>boat or anything exactly.

592
00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:38.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he did everything he could in effort to find

593
00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:44.000
<v Speaker 1>the couple, and even when searches were happening, he made

594
00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:47.039
<v Speaker 1>sure that rations were being dropped out of aircrafts and

595
00:30:47.079 --> 00:30:50.319
<v Speaker 1>remote locations in the off chance that they happened upon

596
00:30:50.359 --> 00:30:50.960
<v Speaker 1>those rations.

597
00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:52.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, that's incredible.

598
00:30:53.319 --> 00:30:56.440
<v Speaker 1>So news articles were out in papers, they were on

599
00:30:56.480 --> 00:30:59.279
<v Speaker 1>the radio, they were talking about it. Their disappearance was

600
00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:04.079
<v Speaker 1>making headlines everywhere. The photographer Emery Colb and his brother

601
00:31:04.279 --> 00:31:07.640
<v Speaker 1>also joined a full on search party. They were familiar

602
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:10.200
<v Speaker 1>with the area, as I had mentioned, he's made the

603
00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:13.559
<v Speaker 1>trip twice before. Now a day into the search, the

604
00:31:13.640 --> 00:31:17.880
<v Speaker 1>col brothers came across a boat at Diamond Creek around

605
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:21.200
<v Speaker 1>mile two hundred and thirty seven on the planned journey,

606
00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:23.960
<v Speaker 1>hung up on the rocky shore of the river. It

607
00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:27.359
<v Speaker 1>was Bessie and Glenn's, no doubt about it, Okay. The

608
00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:31.359
<v Speaker 1>homemade scow sat there in perfect condition, oh with gear

609
00:31:31.400 --> 00:31:35.039
<v Speaker 1>and luggage still inside, with a rope caught up between

610
00:31:35.119 --> 00:31:39.200
<v Speaker 1>rocks preventing it from floating downstream. But neither Bessie nor

611
00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:40.440
<v Speaker 1>Glenn were anywhere in sight.

612
00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:43.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, okay, that was not would be like what

613
00:31:43.559 --> 00:31:44.799
<v Speaker 2>you expect to find the boat.

614
00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:50.799
<v Speaker 1>Exactly inside the boat were clothes, rations, Glenn's hunting rifle,

615
00:31:51.319 --> 00:31:54.640
<v Speaker 1>all their gear, their camera they had, and even Bessie's

616
00:31:54.680 --> 00:31:56.319
<v Speaker 1>diary was inside the boat.

617
00:31:56.480 --> 00:32:01.839
<v Speaker 2>Wow. Why Yeah, like I thought that they would literally

618
00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:02.839
<v Speaker 2>found it in pieces.

619
00:32:03.200 --> 00:32:06.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they didn't completely intact, all their gear still inside.

620
00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:08.160
<v Speaker 2>Huh.

621
00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:12.599
<v Speaker 1>So rumors began running rampant of what happened. Boat flipped

622
00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:15.240
<v Speaker 1>and they drowned, of course being the main one. But

623
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:17.039
<v Speaker 1>if that's the case, why is the boat in.

624
00:32:17.319 --> 00:32:19.759
<v Speaker 2>Such good Yeah, that doesn't make any sense.

625
00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:22.319
<v Speaker 1>Right, it was upright with all the shit inside. Yeah.

626
00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:25.079
<v Speaker 2>If it had capsized, like shit would not be inside

627
00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:26.599
<v Speaker 2>of it, right.

628
00:32:26.720 --> 00:32:30.839
<v Speaker 1>So. Others mentioned seeing Bessie along the route before they

629
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:32.839
<v Speaker 1>went out of site, before they were last seen alive,

630
00:32:33.720 --> 00:32:35.960
<v Speaker 1>and apparently she clearly did not want to be on

631
00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:41.839
<v Speaker 1>the journey anymore. Oh, she seemed terrified. In fact, now,

632
00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:47.200
<v Speaker 1>the individual who last saw them A. G. Sutro, potentially

633
00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:49.880
<v Speaker 1>not only one of last people, potentially the last person

634
00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:54.440
<v Speaker 1>to see them alive, said that Bessie was terrified and

635
00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:58.759
<v Speaker 1>she was way over her head. Apparently there are two

636
00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:02.079
<v Speaker 1>accounts that Bessie had I'd literally been picked up and

637
00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:06.359
<v Speaker 1>slung over Glenn's shoulders, only to be carried by force

638
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:09.160
<v Speaker 1>into the boat when she did not want to continue anymore.

639
00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:13.079
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit. So maybe her new husband isn't who she

640
00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:15.599
<v Speaker 2>thought he was exactly Jez.

641
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:19.279
<v Speaker 1>So if this is true, surely Bessie's diary that was

642
00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:22.279
<v Speaker 1>found inside the boat, oh okay, would hold some testament,

643
00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:24.680
<v Speaker 1>not necessarily, though she could have been worried that he

644
00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:26.920
<v Speaker 1>read it. Like, I don't know how that's true.

645
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:30.599
<v Speaker 2>How honest some people are in their diaries.

646
00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:32.039
<v Speaker 1>That's true. I thought of the same sort of thing,

647
00:33:32.200 --> 00:33:34.599
<v Speaker 1>because I mean, they are in this boat twenty four

648
00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:36.279
<v Speaker 1>to seven alone. He's going to see this.

649
00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:38.720
<v Speaker 2>Diaries obviously, Well we don't know for sure, I guess,

650
00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:40.880
<v Speaker 2>but seeming a little bit controlling.

651
00:33:40.559 --> 00:33:42.680
<v Speaker 1>And he's seeing her writing in it. Yeah, what are

652
00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:44.160
<v Speaker 1>you writing? Let me see that?

653
00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:47.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or she falls asleep he reads it or something.

654
00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:49.279
<v Speaker 1>If he is abusive, he probably will just take it

655
00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:53.039
<v Speaker 1>and read it, you know, So who knows regardless of

656
00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:56.519
<v Speaker 1>the situation. Though inside her diary she detailed many days

657
00:33:56.559 --> 00:33:59.839
<v Speaker 1>along the river in her adventure, but never gave any

658
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:03.359
<v Speaker 1>sort of indication of being forced or feeling contempt of

659
00:34:03.400 --> 00:34:09.840
<v Speaker 1>her situation. So was their abuse? Did Bessie want to

660
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:11.119
<v Speaker 1>be there?

661
00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:14.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I don't know. I just yeah, I'm skeptical of

662
00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:16.760
<v Speaker 2>how honest she could have been in that diary. But

663
00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:18.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean, who knows.

664
00:34:18.199 --> 00:34:22.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, who knows. Indeed, all it did bring up, though,

665
00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:26.000
<v Speaker 1>was more questions and questions that of course didn't have answers.

666
00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:30.079
<v Speaker 1>So on December twenty ninth, the search was called off

667
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:34.280
<v Speaker 1>due to hazard concerns, you know, putting people on dangerous rapids.

668
00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:37.039
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, and it's still winter right Exactly.

669
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:40.079
<v Speaker 1>From there, the media went into a frenzy about what

670
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:44.159
<v Speaker 1>had happened, and speculations just ran rampant, even more so

671
00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:47.559
<v Speaker 1>when footprints were found on the riverbed several miles up

672
00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:51.400
<v Speaker 1>from where the boat was found. This had their families,

673
00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:54.880
<v Speaker 1>of course raise their hopes up, hoping that these footprints

674
00:34:54.920 --> 00:34:57.960
<v Speaker 1>could have been them, And these footprints were men's and

675
00:34:58.000 --> 00:35:00.719
<v Speaker 1>could have very well belonged to Glenn, but they were

676
00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:03.000
<v Speaker 1>nowhere near the vicinity of where the boat was found

677
00:35:03.159 --> 00:35:06.119
<v Speaker 1>and could never have directly been linked to either Glenn

678
00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:09.159
<v Speaker 1>or Bessie. Now, I do want to point out that,

679
00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:11.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they had a lot of people searching rivers.

680
00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:13.760
<v Speaker 1>They even asked, you know, indigenous in the area to

681
00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:15.719
<v Speaker 1>go out and search. It could have just been someone

682
00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:19.079
<v Speaker 1>searching or someone else on the river. Who knows, right.

683
00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:22.639
<v Speaker 2>Oh, yeah, there's lots of possibilities there, really so.

684
00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:26.079
<v Speaker 1>There's no proof that these footprints ever belonged to Glenn or.

685
00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:29.239
<v Speaker 2>Essaysily with them being far up, like not close to the.

686
00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:34.039
<v Speaker 1>Bout at all exactly. Now there is evidence they made

687
00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:36.679
<v Speaker 1>it far as far as mile two hundred and twenty five,

688
00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:39.920
<v Speaker 1>where they may have made a camp. Now, the diary

689
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:43.400
<v Speaker 1>notes nothing concerning or worrysome, and neither does their camera.

690
00:35:43.719 --> 00:35:48.159
<v Speaker 1>The last photograph taken May it appears to be Bessie

691
00:35:48.280 --> 00:35:51.840
<v Speaker 1>laying on the river bank face down. It's hard to

692
00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:56.960
<v Speaker 1>see the image exactly, but she may be sunbathing, maybe

693
00:35:56.960 --> 00:35:59.840
<v Speaker 1>covered in a sheet or it maybe, you know, she

694
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:02.280
<v Speaker 1>might be laying nude. I don't know.

695
00:36:02.480 --> 00:36:04.199
<v Speaker 2>It's a photograph on their camera.

696
00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:08.400
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, Yes, of Bessie laying on the riverbank, face down.

697
00:36:08.679 --> 00:36:10.360
<v Speaker 1>It appears it's really hard to see.

698
00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:12.360
<v Speaker 2>That's interesting, Okay.

699
00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:16.199
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's something a little more sinister. Maybe she's just

700
00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:18.639
<v Speaker 1>having a nap and Glenn took a picture of her.

701
00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:21.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, you know, I am also curious to

702
00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:24.000
<v Speaker 2>know too. Just this was just randomly popped in my head.

703
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:27.360
<v Speaker 2>But if the diary had anything in there in regards

704
00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:31.119
<v Speaker 2>to like her happy with Glenn or like, you know,

705
00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:33.199
<v Speaker 2>loving their marriage and stuff.

706
00:36:33.079 --> 00:36:37.639
<v Speaker 1>Nothing along those lines. Everything that's a lot that's slightly alarming.

707
00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:40.000
<v Speaker 1>Everything seemed hunky dory.

708
00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:43.599
<v Speaker 2>Okay, like she was happy with him, Like it was okay, okay,

709
00:36:43.639 --> 00:36:44.639
<v Speaker 2>I see okay.

710
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:49.559
<v Speaker 1>All I know is the case would go cold. The

711
00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:51.800
<v Speaker 1>couple would be assumed to be lost in the rapids,

712
00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:54.800
<v Speaker 1>with some air of mystery surrounding them, with no new

713
00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:59.840
<v Speaker 1>details that would come to light until fifty years later,

714
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:01.440
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy one.

715
00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:04.559
<v Speaker 2>Oh it's quite some time later.

716
00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:08.639
<v Speaker 1>Now, a commercial rafting trip was guiding several people through

717
00:37:08.679 --> 00:37:11.800
<v Speaker 1>the canyon on their own adventure excursion. They were nearing

718
00:37:11.840 --> 00:37:13.920
<v Speaker 1>the end of their trip and they stopped in Diamond

719
00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:17.039
<v Speaker 1>Creek and made camp for the night. Now, if you recall,

720
00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:19.480
<v Speaker 1>Diamond Creek just so happened to be the location where

721
00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:23.440
<v Speaker 1>Bessie and Glenn's boat was found. Right after camp was

722
00:37:23.480 --> 00:37:25.760
<v Speaker 1>made and everyone was around the fire and settling in

723
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:28.159
<v Speaker 1>for the night, the guide began telling us the story

724
00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:31.960
<v Speaker 1>of Bessie and Glenn Hyde. They discussed how the travelers

725
00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:34.599
<v Speaker 1>went through the rough waters, pushing records the whole way,

726
00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:39.239
<v Speaker 1>and were eventually never seen again, but their foot boat

727
00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:43.320
<v Speaker 1>was found right where they were camped. It was then

728
00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:46.519
<v Speaker 1>that a woman spoke up in the group. The whole

729
00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:49.800
<v Speaker 1>trip so far, the woman kept rather quiet to herself.

730
00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:52.119
<v Speaker 1>She was only looking out in the canyon for most

731
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:54.360
<v Speaker 1>of the time, but made herself useful to the group

732
00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:58.039
<v Speaker 1>when needed. She spoke after the story and confidently, with

733
00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:05.000
<v Speaker 1>a very straight face, said to everyone present, I'm Bessie Hyde.

734
00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:10.440
<v Speaker 2>Wow, just throlling that out there. Hey, was she traveling

735
00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:12.159
<v Speaker 2>in this little tour solo?

736
00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:13.159
<v Speaker 1>Yes?

737
00:38:13.239 --> 00:38:13.559
<v Speaker 2>She was.

738
00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:14.599
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

739
00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:17.320
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's so random, especially like to do something that

740
00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:20.559
<v Speaker 2>you were terrified at one point, but it's like she's

741
00:38:20.599 --> 00:38:21.480
<v Speaker 2>looking for something.

742
00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:24.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So when the others questioned your about it and

743
00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:27.320
<v Speaker 1>what really happened out there on the river, of course

744
00:38:27.360 --> 00:38:29.800
<v Speaker 1>they kind of just assumed it was a joke or something.

745
00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:33.559
<v Speaker 1>At first. She said she stabbed Glenn and killed him.

746
00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:34.320
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit.

747
00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:39.800
<v Speaker 1>Okay. She told the tale of how Glenn was obsessed

748
00:38:40.039 --> 00:38:42.639
<v Speaker 1>with making the trip and doing it in record time

749
00:38:42.679 --> 00:38:47.239
<v Speaker 1>without safety equipment, no matter the danger. Apparently a fight

750
00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:50.360
<v Speaker 1>broke out between them on a day and she had

751
00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:52.039
<v Speaker 1>been thrown back on board the boat.

752
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:55.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, okay, this is all like checking out really.

753
00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Now, Bessie wasn't about to be abused or put her

754
00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:02.440
<v Speaker 1>own life for their life on the line, especially when

755
00:39:02.559 --> 00:39:05.159
<v Speaker 1>this individual had no concern for their safety to begin with.

756
00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:08.559
<v Speaker 1>So when she saw her opportunity, she took a knife

757
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:12.480
<v Speaker 1>and she struck Wow, then dumped his body into the

758
00:39:12.559 --> 00:39:14.400
<v Speaker 1>river and hiked out of the canyon on her own.

759
00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:20.239
<v Speaker 2>Good lord, Yeah, okay, I wasn't entirely expecting that, And

760
00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:22.920
<v Speaker 2>so she just like is on this fucking random little

761
00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:26.000
<v Speaker 2>tour and like, oh, I just murdered him.

762
00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:29.320
<v Speaker 1>That's exactly what happened. Like, I mean.

763
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:33.119
<v Speaker 2>Okay, but like you just literally said that you murdered someone,

764
00:39:33.199 --> 00:39:36.320
<v Speaker 2>Like you could go to jail for that shit. Yeah,

765
00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:41.079
<v Speaker 2>so that's I don't get it. I mean, wow, okay, like,

766
00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:44.519
<v Speaker 2>oh I shouldn't be like that in a sense, I'm like, yeah,

767
00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:47.719
<v Speaker 2>like whoa. But then also, like you just murdered someone,

768
00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:49.440
<v Speaker 2>But like I like that you were like, she's not

769
00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:52.719
<v Speaker 2>gonna let anyone treat her like that. I like that part.

770
00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:55.559
<v Speaker 2>But then maybe not to murder someone, definitely, not to

771
00:39:55.639 --> 00:39:57.000
<v Speaker 2>murder someone, definitely not.

772
00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:00.360
<v Speaker 1>So I mean this caught everyone off though.

773
00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:03.519
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, if you imagine, how how did they sleep

774
00:40:03.519 --> 00:40:03.920
<v Speaker 2>that night?

775
00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:06.719
<v Speaker 1>Is what I'm curing. No shit, this woman next to

776
00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:08.719
<v Speaker 1>me in a tent just claims that she murdered her

777
00:40:08.800 --> 00:40:10.800
<v Speaker 1>husband fifty years ago and got away with it.

778
00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:12.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I'm literally at the same spot, and I

779
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:15.639
<v Speaker 2>just like have gone down the river with her for

780
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:21.079
<v Speaker 2>how many goddamn days. Gosh, that's a horror movie in itself.

781
00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:26.159
<v Speaker 1>Well, everyone did kind of note though that the woman

782
00:40:26.320 --> 00:40:28.559
<v Speaker 1>was She was kind of the right age for it,

783
00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:31.840
<v Speaker 1>and she seemed very serious when she talked about it.

784
00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:36.559
<v Speaker 2>God, I don't think it could be in a situation

785
00:40:36.679 --> 00:40:39.440
<v Speaker 2>like this, I would probably literally start laughing. That would

786
00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:41.679
<v Speaker 2>be my response. I would uncontrollably start laughing.

787
00:40:41.800 --> 00:40:44.360
<v Speaker 1>It was not so uncomfortable. I would be so uncomfortable

788
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:48.039
<v Speaker 1>to my mind. Yeah. Well, the woman went by the

789
00:40:48.119 --> 00:40:52.079
<v Speaker 1>name of Georgie White Clark. Now, she was a famous

790
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:55.800
<v Speaker 1>river runner guide in the Grand Canyon. Georgie was the

791
00:40:55.880 --> 00:40:59.800
<v Speaker 1>first woman to run the Grand Canyon as a commercial enterprise.

792
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:04.039
<v Speaker 1>Not only this, but she was an innovator in her field,

793
00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:07.119
<v Speaker 1>bringing in several new ways that guides ran through the

794
00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:07.960
<v Speaker 1>Colorado River.

795
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:09.119
<v Speaker 2>Huh.

796
00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:12.280
<v Speaker 1>She was a strong pioneer in her field, just the

797
00:41:12.400 --> 00:41:15.599
<v Speaker 1>kind of person you may expect Bessie to become. In fact,

798
00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:20.320
<v Speaker 1>after the campfire side confession. Journalists eventually came to her

799
00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:25.480
<v Speaker 1>to discuss the story. However, despite there being multiple witnesses

800
00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:29.280
<v Speaker 1>the night she came forward, she denied that ever happened

801
00:41:29.639 --> 00:41:34.199
<v Speaker 1>and denied she's Bessie Hyde. Really yeah, she said, I

802
00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:34.880
<v Speaker 1>never said that.

803
00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:38.559
<v Speaker 2>This whole little was just like giving me goose bumps,

804
00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:43.440
<v Speaker 2>like it's just wild crazy, Like what the fuck? That's

805
00:41:43.639 --> 00:41:47.199
<v Speaker 2>really messed up, isn't it. Why admit that at one

806
00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:49.559
<v Speaker 2>point then later not? I mean it probably because she

807
00:41:49.639 --> 00:41:51.119
<v Speaker 2>was like shit, like I go to jail.

808
00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:55.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but someone who wants the notoriety, they want the notoriety,

809
00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:55.800
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean.

810
00:41:56.039 --> 00:41:59.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it's almost like she just la had kind

811
00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:03.880
<v Speaker 2>of had a lapse of judgment for like a small period.

812
00:42:04.159 --> 00:42:08.559
<v Speaker 1>Exactly why it's theorized that she was Bessie Hyde because

813
00:42:08.559 --> 00:42:11.079
<v Speaker 1>she had a lapse of adjustment judgment, maybe being caught

814
00:42:11.159 --> 00:42:13.840
<v Speaker 1>up in the story where the boat was found looking

815
00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:17.840
<v Speaker 1>out over the canyon. Maybe she was drinking, wanted.

816
00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:20.159
<v Speaker 2>To see how they would react to it, So.

817
00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:24.760
<v Speaker 1>Maybe she had a lapse of judgment to confess this.

818
00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:29.039
<v Speaker 2>Huh, just like testing the waters? How would this go

819
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:29.440
<v Speaker 2>for me?

820
00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:32.599
<v Speaker 1>And then when she was questioned about it, with journalists.

821
00:42:32.599 --> 00:42:35.239
<v Speaker 1>She realized she made a mistake and just backtracked, backpedaled,

822
00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:40.320
<v Speaker 1>said no, that never happened, not.

823
00:42:40.280 --> 00:42:42.400
<v Speaker 2>A terrible thing.

824
00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:43.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know.

825
00:42:43.840 --> 00:42:46.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you regret something, just like, Nope, it wasn't me.

826
00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:50.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, what makes us even more strange and even more

827
00:42:51.039 --> 00:42:55.920
<v Speaker 1>believable is when Georgie eventually passed away in nineteen ninety two,

828
00:42:56.599 --> 00:43:00.559
<v Speaker 1>she was found to be in possession of many items

829
00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:06.000
<v Speaker 1>that belonged to Bessie and Glenn High Wow, including their

830
00:43:06.039 --> 00:43:07.119
<v Speaker 1>marriage certificate.

831
00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:11.760
<v Speaker 2>Holy heck, Yeah, you're not kidding.

832
00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:18.400
<v Speaker 1>Dead's fucking serious. Okay, that's her. I'm sold that's her.

833
00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:21.239
<v Speaker 2>That's her. How the fuck would she have that? Right,

834
00:43:21.719 --> 00:43:22.920
<v Speaker 2>there's no way that's her.

835
00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:26.199
<v Speaker 1>Well, so many people think that she was Bessie but

836
00:43:27.039 --> 00:43:29.000
<v Speaker 1>a look. To be fair though, a lot of people

837
00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:33.719
<v Speaker 1>say that they don't resemble one another. So well that's

838
00:43:33.800 --> 00:43:34.239
<v Speaker 1>a start.

839
00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:35.400
<v Speaker 2>Two years freaking later.

840
00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:38.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they're also saying, well, perhaps these items were

841
00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:41.480
<v Speaker 1>souvenirs she had picked up over the years. How she

842
00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:43.119
<v Speaker 1>picked them up, I don't fucking know.

843
00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:48.280
<v Speaker 2>Oh, and she just like liked the story kind of thing. Yeah, yeah,

844
00:43:48.280 --> 00:43:51.000
<v Speaker 2>but how would she have that? Or she was like

845
00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:53.039
<v Speaker 2>a relative per se.

846
00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:54.960
<v Speaker 1>But then.

847
00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:57.760
<v Speaker 2>You said that she was kind of a proper age

848
00:43:57.800 --> 00:43:58.199
<v Speaker 2>and such.

849
00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:02.440
<v Speaker 1>Right there, her age was slightly different, only by like

850
00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:05.920
<v Speaker 1>a few years. I believe. I think Georgie was born

851
00:44:06.119 --> 00:44:11.639
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eleven, if I'm not mistaken, and Bessie was

852
00:44:11.639 --> 00:44:13.639
<v Speaker 1>born When did I say Bessie was born in nineteen

853
00:44:13.639 --> 00:44:14.920
<v Speaker 1>oh five? Oh?

854
00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:19.199
<v Speaker 2>Okay? How would she have the certificate though? The marriage certificate?

855
00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:21.559
<v Speaker 2>That doesn't make any sense.

856
00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:24.599
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't because that would have been on board the boat.

857
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:27.360
<v Speaker 2>Okay, did you mention what else she had?

858
00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:31.400
<v Speaker 1>Sorry? I didn't dive into too much on what she had.

859
00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:33.360
<v Speaker 1>I just know that she had many other possessions, and

860
00:44:33.639 --> 00:44:35.519
<v Speaker 1>on one was the marriage certificate.

861
00:44:35.559 --> 00:44:39.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

862
00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:43.840
<v Speaker 1>Now, apparently George's early Georgie's early life was rather well documented,

863
00:44:43.880 --> 00:44:47.239
<v Speaker 1>and I didn't dive into how well documented it was either.

864
00:44:48.519 --> 00:44:50.559
<v Speaker 1>We talked about their birthdays. Don't match? I mean, but

865
00:44:50.639 --> 00:44:53.480
<v Speaker 1>who knows? Identities can be faked rather easy even today.

866
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:58.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, like she changed her identity. Her name was different, right,

867
00:44:58.159 --> 00:44:59.960
<v Speaker 2>she changed her identity after this happened?

868
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:03.960
<v Speaker 1>Is mine? Well? Yeah, if Georgie was Bessie, she would

869
00:45:03.960 --> 00:45:07.039
<v Speaker 1>have changed her identity. But the theory is well Bessie's

870
00:45:07.159 --> 00:45:09.639
<v Speaker 1>early life is so well documented that it would have

871
00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:15.800
<v Speaker 1>been impossible for her to fabricate these things. Okay, now,

872
00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:19.400
<v Speaker 1>I didn't dive into how well documented Georgie's early life

873
00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:22.000
<v Speaker 1>was because that's a whole other rabbit hole on its own, right,

874
00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:26.239
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, that is an argument for this case on

875
00:45:26.280 --> 00:45:28.920
<v Speaker 1>her not being Bessie. If you want to dive into that,

876
00:45:29.079 --> 00:45:33.039
<v Speaker 1>go for it. But yeah, now there is one more

877
00:45:33.079 --> 00:45:36.079
<v Speaker 1>piece of the story that I can't not talk about,

878
00:45:36.239 --> 00:45:39.880
<v Speaker 1>and this is Georgie aside, This is onto something completely

879
00:45:39.880 --> 00:45:42.679
<v Speaker 1>different and I won't go into a great detail about it,

880
00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:45.400
<v Speaker 1>and you'll kind of understand why in a minute. But

881
00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:48.119
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy six, a skeleton of a man was

882
00:45:48.199 --> 00:45:51.480
<v Speaker 1>found in Emery Colb's garage after he passed away. He

883
00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:54.599
<v Speaker 1>was the photographer who had done this trip twice before.

884
00:45:55.039 --> 00:45:57.280
<v Speaker 2>Okay, wow, I'm very intrigued.

885
00:45:57.639 --> 00:46:00.440
<v Speaker 1>Now. The remains were found inside a canoe that was

886
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:03.400
<v Speaker 1>stored away, and the skull had a bullet hole in it.

887
00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:07.360
<v Speaker 1>Many believed this could be the remains of Glenn perhaps.

888
00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:09.719
<v Speaker 1>You know, the story goes a jealous man who killed

889
00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:12.639
<v Speaker 1>one other man to be with his wife, and I

890
00:46:12.679 --> 00:46:16.559
<v Speaker 1>mean Bessie definitely jumped ship rather quickly from one relationship

891
00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:20.000
<v Speaker 1>to another. Before she did do that, Yeah, could do

892
00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:24.199
<v Speaker 1>it again. However, the remains were handed over to forensic

893
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:28.760
<v Speaker 1>anthropologist doctor Walter Burkby. He determined it was from a

894
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:31.239
<v Speaker 1>man who was Caucasian between the ages of twenty to

895
00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:33.880
<v Speaker 1>twenty three and stood six feet tall with light brown hair.

896
00:46:34.239 --> 00:46:37.079
<v Speaker 1>He even discovered the skull I said had the bullet hole,

897
00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:41.360
<v Speaker 1>but it still had the bullet embedded inside. After it

898
00:46:41.440 --> 00:46:44.480
<v Speaker 1>was examined, it was determined to be from a thirty

899
00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:49.400
<v Speaker 1>two caliber or similar revolver manufactured around nineteen oh two.

900
00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:52.440
<v Speaker 1>The production date of the gun and clothing fragments found

901
00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:55.400
<v Speaker 1>with the remains of the skeleton suggested that the individual's

902
00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:59.679
<v Speaker 1>death occurred sometime in the nineteen twenties. It all seemed

903
00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:03.239
<v Speaker 1>to fit. It could very well be Glenn and he

904
00:47:03.400 --> 00:47:07.320
<v Speaker 1>was just hiding in Emery's garage this whole time. Now,

905
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:11.480
<v Speaker 1>the story is plausible, but it was easily debunked by

906
00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:14.880
<v Speaker 1>doctor Kirby. He took a picture of Glenn and the

907
00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:18.000
<v Speaker 1>skull that was found and projected one onto the other.

908
00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:22.440
<v Speaker 1>From there, he adjusted the opacity of each back and forth.

909
00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:26.199
<v Speaker 1>This gave them the ability to compare facial structures between

910
00:47:26.239 --> 00:47:28.920
<v Speaker 1>the two. They actually show this a bit in the

911
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:33.880
<v Speaker 1>episode of Unsolved Mysteries. Oh that's interesting, I'll watch that. Yeah.

912
00:47:33.920 --> 00:47:35.679
<v Speaker 1>And by doing this, he pointed out that the eye

913
00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:39.280
<v Speaker 1>orbits were angled differently, the cheekbones, you know, they're a

914
00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:42.079
<v Speaker 1>bit wider, and the shape of the chin was different.

915
00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:47.280
<v Speaker 1>Basically the whole examination by doctor Birkby, he was certain

916
00:47:47.280 --> 00:47:51.760
<v Speaker 1>that the skeleton was not Glenn. Okay, from this examination, now,

917
00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:54.480
<v Speaker 1>there was also records that were dug up of a

918
00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:56.440
<v Speaker 1>man in the area who had been found to have

919
00:47:56.480 --> 00:48:00.519
<v Speaker 1>committed suicide by shooting himself in the head with revolver

920
00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:04.880
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen thirty three. His skeletal remains were found laying

921
00:48:04.920 --> 00:48:08.360
<v Speaker 1>on the edge of Shoshone Point Grand Canyon with a

922
00:48:08.440 --> 00:48:12.880
<v Speaker 1>twenty two revolver near the right hand. A round defect

923
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:15.119
<v Speaker 1>on the right side of the skull with a twenty

924
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:18.320
<v Speaker 1>two caliber bullets was recovered from inside of the skull

925
00:48:18.360 --> 00:48:22.719
<v Speaker 1>as well. It is assumed that this is the same man.

926
00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:26.159
<v Speaker 1>Why exactly Emory had his remained stuffed in his garage

927
00:48:26.199 --> 00:48:28.480
<v Speaker 1>all these years is unknown.

928
00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:31.599
<v Speaker 2>Okay, because I was like super wondering this. This is

929
00:48:31.679 --> 00:48:34.119
<v Speaker 2>super fucked up that someone just has a skeleton in

930
00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:34.960
<v Speaker 2>their ross.

931
00:48:35.239 --> 00:48:40.000
<v Speaker 1>Yes, it is, so it's assumed it's the same man.

932
00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:45.000
<v Speaker 1>DNA testing proved unsuccessful because the remains were too far gone,

933
00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:50.159
<v Speaker 1>I guess. But to date, this case remains a complete mystery.

934
00:48:50.599 --> 00:48:53.960
<v Speaker 1>There are theories whether or not something sinister occurred on

935
00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:57.639
<v Speaker 1>the river's water, but most just kind of accept that

936
00:48:57.679 --> 00:49:03.280
<v Speaker 1>their desks was accidental. Either way, nothing's for sure, nothing

937
00:49:03.360 --> 00:49:04.039
<v Speaker 1>can be proven.

938
00:49:04.760 --> 00:49:05.400
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

939
00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:11.920
<v Speaker 1>Wow, And that is a story of Bessie and Glenn Hyde.

940
00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:17.159
<v Speaker 2>Huh wow, Okay, that's interesting.

941
00:49:17.320 --> 00:49:18.880
<v Speaker 1>So what do you think? What's your theory?

942
00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:20.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, my member, how I said at one point, like

943
00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:23.440
<v Speaker 2>I had a theory, yeah, and cause I know that

944
00:49:24.559 --> 00:49:26.480
<v Speaker 2>I had thought that they went missing kind of thing

945
00:49:26.519 --> 00:49:29.199
<v Speaker 2>after this, right, and I thought maybe it was to

946
00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:32.519
<v Speaker 2>do with that she that her first husband wasn't letting

947
00:49:32.559 --> 00:49:36.119
<v Speaker 2>her divorce him, and so then they like plotted this

948
00:49:36.239 --> 00:49:38.639
<v Speaker 2>and like disappeared and blah blah blah. But then he

949
00:49:38.719 --> 00:49:40.840
<v Speaker 2>did end up signing those papers, so that's like out

950
00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:41.280
<v Speaker 2>the window.

951
00:49:41.760 --> 00:49:43.800
<v Speaker 1>I kind of assumed it was a bit too early

952
00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:48.400
<v Speaker 1>for whatever theory you had. Ye didn't have the information yet. Yeah,

953
00:49:48.599 --> 00:49:51.079
<v Speaker 1>So where's your head at now, though, do you think

954
00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:53.280
<v Speaker 1>that Georgie could have been Bessie Hyde.

955
00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:55.920
<v Speaker 2>I really really really want to believe it.

956
00:49:56.800 --> 00:49:57.719
<v Speaker 1>I think she was.

957
00:49:58.880 --> 00:50:01.639
<v Speaker 2>But then also just some crazy person that's like, yeah,

958
00:50:01.679 --> 00:50:02.000
<v Speaker 2>that's me.

959
00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:05.800
<v Speaker 1>But she had their fucking marriage certificate of all things,

960
00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:06.719
<v Speaker 1>of all things.

961
00:50:06.880 --> 00:50:09.480
<v Speaker 2>I guess I'm really curious if you change your name,

962
00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:12.599
<v Speaker 2>Like I feel like changing your name instuff is easy enough,

963
00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:15.199
<v Speaker 2>but change and I mean, I guess if you're changing

964
00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:17.119
<v Speaker 2>your name and like getting new birth tray fits and

965
00:50:17.199 --> 00:50:20.000
<v Speaker 2>all that jazz, like change in your birthday is just

966
00:50:20.039 --> 00:50:20.519
<v Speaker 2>as easy.

967
00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:26.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, And who's to say that, Okay, she didn't

968
00:50:26.519 --> 00:50:30.239
<v Speaker 1>kill Glenn, hike out of the canyon, find some other

969
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:33.119
<v Speaker 1>woman kill her and just take over her identity. And

970
00:50:33.239 --> 00:50:36.320
<v Speaker 1>that's why Georgie's life is so well documented in her

971
00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:36.840
<v Speaker 1>early years.

972
00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:39.159
<v Speaker 2>I never thought of that.

973
00:50:39.159 --> 00:50:42.599
<v Speaker 1>That's crazy, just take over someone else's identity.

974
00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:46.199
<v Speaker 2>This lady's nuts now. Now, in my opinion, I'm just like, WHOA,

975
00:50:47.159 --> 00:50:51.639
<v Speaker 2>she's wild wild child, wild child.

976
00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:55.119
<v Speaker 1>She was certainly a very strong willed woman. I don't

977
00:50:55.159 --> 00:51:00.519
<v Speaker 1>know if she is a murderer. It's the most likely

978
00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:07.000
<v Speaker 1>situation is they hit rapids. My gut is saying they

979
00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:09.880
<v Speaker 1>hit rapids, one of them went overboard, the other maybe

980
00:51:10.039 --> 00:51:12.199
<v Speaker 1>dove in to help the other, and they lost the

981
00:51:12.280 --> 00:51:14.679
<v Speaker 1>raft or helped trying to help the other back on board.

982
00:51:14.679 --> 00:51:17.960
<v Speaker 1>They both fell out. And actually I should mention this

983
00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:22.840
<v Speaker 1>there was reports of them falling overboard previously to them,

984
00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:27.480
<v Speaker 1>so they have fallen overboard and helped each other in successfully.

985
00:51:27.719 --> 00:51:29.800
<v Speaker 2>But the boat was tied up right, Like the.

986
00:51:29.800 --> 00:51:34.480
<v Speaker 1>Boat was not tied up. The boat was hung up. Oh,

987
00:51:34.519 --> 00:51:37.039
<v Speaker 1>the boat's rope was snagged in the rocks.

988
00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:39.320
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, I feel like if they're going through

989
00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:42.360
<v Speaker 2>something so rough that they ended up like falling out,

990
00:51:43.639 --> 00:51:46.159
<v Speaker 2>that it would have been stirred up a little bit

991
00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:49.159
<v Speaker 2>in a sense the boat. The boat would have had

992
00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:52.559
<v Speaker 2>some damage or something. Yeah, elks would have fallen out

993
00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:53.639
<v Speaker 2>like some of their supplies.

994
00:51:54.639 --> 00:51:57.000
<v Speaker 1>Another note, something else I didn't talk about. There was

995
00:51:57.119 --> 00:52:00.480
<v Speaker 1>some damage to the boat that had been reaped haird

996
00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:02.440
<v Speaker 1>along their current journey.

997
00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:04.639
<v Speaker 2>And then I guess my other thought too was when

998
00:52:04.679 --> 00:52:07.239
<v Speaker 2>you said that like she had thrown them out or

999
00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:09.159
<v Speaker 2>thrown them down the water, like killed them like with

1000
00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:11.960
<v Speaker 2>a knife or whatever. There were so many people searching,

1001
00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:14.079
<v Speaker 2>but I guess that could have been a lot earlier too,

1002
00:52:14.440 --> 00:52:17.159
<v Speaker 2>or a lot later that they were searching, right, potentially?

1003
00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:20.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, and how bodies go missing in rivers all

1004
00:52:21.079 --> 00:52:22.000
<v Speaker 1>the fucking times?

1005
00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:23.679
<v Speaker 2>Because I was like, oh, you think they maybe would

1006
00:52:23.679 --> 00:52:26.559
<v Speaker 2>have found found it, But then if it was way

1007
00:52:26.559 --> 00:52:30.559
<v Speaker 2>prior to the search, even maybe not at all, yeah,

1008
00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:32.559
<v Speaker 2>because they would have kind of been searching, maybe more

1009
00:52:32.599 --> 00:52:34.800
<v Speaker 2>near the area, and by then the body's like, way

1010
00:52:34.880 --> 00:52:35.480
<v Speaker 2>the hell gone.

1011
00:52:35.719 --> 00:52:39.320
<v Speaker 1>Even modern times, they have a hard time finding individuals

1012
00:52:39.320 --> 00:52:42.880
<v Speaker 1>who go missing in rivers. Yeah, I know, because well,

1013
00:52:42.920 --> 00:52:45.920
<v Speaker 1>we have two rivers in a conflux here in our city,

1014
00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:51.320
<v Speaker 1>and there are unfortunately people who jump or capsize.

1015
00:52:50.599 --> 00:52:52.320
<v Speaker 2>And they never found.

1016
00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:56.840
<v Speaker 1>It's more often than not they're not found. That's true.

1017
00:52:56.960 --> 00:52:58.840
<v Speaker 2>That's very true.

1018
00:52:59.000 --> 00:52:59.440
<v Speaker 1>Hmmm.

1019
00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:02.079
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I'm going to say that I believe

1020
00:53:02.119 --> 00:53:05.519
<v Speaker 2>it's George. Is her name, Georgie, Georgie, Yeah, Georgie. I'm

1021
00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:06.039
<v Speaker 2>going with that.

1022
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:10.360
<v Speaker 1>My gut wants to say that, although it's not the

1023
00:53:10.400 --> 00:53:11.559
<v Speaker 1>most likely answer.

1024
00:53:11.960 --> 00:53:14.320
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm just like, why would this random woman just

1025
00:53:14.320 --> 00:53:15.280
<v Speaker 2>be like that was mate?

1026
00:53:15.320 --> 00:53:20.119
<v Speaker 1>Why would you have their fucking marriage certificates of all things?

1027
00:53:20.199 --> 00:53:23.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, how would she have ever gotten that?

1028
00:53:23.880 --> 00:53:27.159
<v Speaker 1>Right? Because that would have been but then if she

1029
00:53:27.199 --> 00:53:29.519
<v Speaker 1>were to take their marriage certificate, you think she would

1030
00:53:29.559 --> 00:53:36.039
<v Speaker 1>have taken her own diary if she's taking if she's

1031
00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:40.280
<v Speaker 1>taking documents out of the boat when she leaves, I

1032
00:53:40.360 --> 00:53:43.960
<v Speaker 1>guess hey, So it's hard to say. The most likely

1033
00:53:44.039 --> 00:53:47.360
<v Speaker 1>answer is they both went overboard and their boat gently

1034
00:53:47.400 --> 00:53:53.440
<v Speaker 1>came to rest somewhere. But I mean, Georgie, how did

1035
00:53:53.480 --> 00:53:55.880
<v Speaker 1>she get the ship? Yeah? Mehow?

1036
00:53:56.119 --> 00:53:57.840
<v Speaker 2>It just I know because in my brain, I'm like,

1037
00:53:57.880 --> 00:53:59.840
<v Speaker 2>if they're going overboard, like is their boat when a

1038
00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:03.760
<v Speaker 2>literally just like end up resting somewhere. But it totally could,

1039
00:54:03.840 --> 00:54:05.199
<v Speaker 2>totally could, Yeah, totally could.

1040
00:54:06.199 --> 00:54:07.679
<v Speaker 1>Well let us know what you think, whether it's on

1041
00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:11.559
<v Speaker 1>social media, you email us or comment or whatever. Let's

1042
00:54:11.559 --> 00:54:12.039
<v Speaker 1>hear it.

1043
00:54:12.159 --> 00:54:15.480
<v Speaker 2>Well done. Again, It's another freaking Monday night where I'm

1044
00:54:15.480 --> 00:54:17.360
<v Speaker 2>not going to get any sleep because my rights go

1045
00:54:17.400 --> 00:54:18.280
<v Speaker 2>in them all minute.

1046
00:54:18.400 --> 00:54:21.039
<v Speaker 1>And I do recommend you watch the Unsolved Mystery Case

1047
00:54:21.079 --> 00:54:23.960
<v Speaker 1>on this they do show that comparison of the skull

1048
00:54:24.079 --> 00:54:26.440
<v Speaker 1>and Glenn's face in relay, so it's kind of cool

1049
00:54:26.440 --> 00:54:26.760
<v Speaker 1>to see.

1050
00:54:26.840 --> 00:54:28.800
<v Speaker 2>Will you be putting that in the show notes?

1051
00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:31.000
<v Speaker 1>Yes, the link to that it's up on YouTube, so

1052
00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:32.599
<v Speaker 1>the link on too, that will be in the show

1053
00:54:32.679 --> 00:54:36.000
<v Speaker 1>notes below for sure, perfect perfect, So yeah, if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to check out those show notes for the links,

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<v Speaker 1>you can also find the links to our social media,

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<v Speaker 1>links to our Patreon, our website, our merch Support us

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<v Speaker 1>in any way you want, even if it's just listening

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<v Speaker 1>to us. We appreciate the hell out of that.

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<v Speaker 2>We sure do.

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<v Speaker 1>Even if you want to give us a rating, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>five stars, that'd be cool too.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the only option.

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<v Speaker 1>One would else be cool is if we see you

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<v Speaker 1>next time hearing Wicked agriam so until then, stay Wicked