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As news broke of a killer rampaging across 31 00:01:53.480 --> 00:01:57.400 the tiny community of Porta Peak, Nova Scotia, late on 32 00:01:57.480 --> 00:02:01.480 April eighteenth, twenty twenty, details were oddly hard to come by. 33 00:02:01.959 --> 00:02:05.400 Who was the killer, why was he not apprehended, what 34 00:02:05.519 --> 00:02:09.400 were police doing? How many were dead? And why was 35 00:02:09.439 --> 00:02:12.080 the gunman still on the loose the next morning and 36 00:02:12.199 --> 00:02:17.039 killing again. The RCMP was largely silent then and continued 37 00:02:17.080 --> 00:02:21.240 to obscure the actions of denturist Gabriel Wortmann after an 38 00:02:21.280 --> 00:02:23.879 officer shot and killed them at a gas station during 39 00:02:23.919 --> 00:02:28.400 a chance encounter. Though retired as an investigative journalist and author, 40 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:32.080 Paul Polango spent much of his career reporting on Canada's 41 00:02:32.120 --> 00:02:35.960 troubled National Police Force, watching the RCMP stumble through the 42 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:39.120 Porta Pete massacre only a few hours from his Nova 43 00:02:39.159 --> 00:02:42.759 Scotia home, Plango knew the story behind the headlines was 44 00:02:42.759 --> 00:02:46.319 more complicated and damning than anyone was willing to admit. 45 00:02:46.560 --> 00:02:50.319 With the COVID nineteen lockdowns sealing off the Maritimes, no 46 00:02:50.439 --> 00:02:54.159 journalist in the province knew the RCMP better than Plango did. 47 00:02:54.319 --> 00:02:56.719 Within a month, he was back in print and on 48 00:02:56.759 --> 00:03:00.199 the radio, peeling away the layers of this murderous episode 49 00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:03.919 as only he could, and earthing the collision of failure 50 00:03:04.280 --> 00:03:09.000 and malfeasance that cost a quiet community twenty two innocent lives. 51 00:03:09.120 --> 00:03:12.039 The book that we're featuring this sevening is twenty two Murders, 52 00:03:12.159 --> 00:03:16.759 Investigating the massacres, cover Up and Obstacles to Justice in 53 00:03:16.840 --> 00:03:20.159 Nova Scotia, with my special guests and journalist and author 54 00:03:20.280 --> 00:03:23.360 Paul Polango. Welcome to the program, and thank you so 55 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:27.560 much for this interview. Paul Polango, Thank you for having me, Dan, 56 00:03:28.080 --> 00:03:30.479 thank you so much. Thank you for joining us on 57 00:03:30.479 --> 00:03:34.199 this incredible, incredible story, twenty two Murders. 58 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:38.639 Well, it's funny. It's not something I ever envisaged doing. 59 00:03:39.080 --> 00:03:41.639 You know, I thought my book writing days were behind me, 60 00:03:41.879 --> 00:03:44.840 and for the last twenty years I've been essentially working 61 00:03:44.879 --> 00:03:47.520 as a glass artist with my wife, and we have 62 00:03:47.560 --> 00:03:51.080 a successful business doing you know, and a wholesale and 63 00:03:51.199 --> 00:03:55.000 retail business, and that's kept me occupied except for a 64 00:03:55.039 --> 00:03:57.599 brief period of writing a book in two thousand and eight, 65 00:03:58.000 --> 00:04:01.400 which was called Dispersing the Fog Inside the Secret World 66 00:04:01.400 --> 00:04:03.960 of Ottawa and the RCMP. I didn't think i'd be 67 00:04:04.000 --> 00:04:07.439 doing another one because the previous books I wrote were 68 00:04:07.879 --> 00:04:12.639 largely dispelled by the police and politicians, and I was 69 00:04:12.680 --> 00:04:16.240 called a conspiracy theorist and all kinds of things, and 70 00:04:16.600 --> 00:04:19.240 a lot of people sort of shied away from my writings. 71 00:04:19.319 --> 00:04:22.439 So I was resigned to the fact that I wasn't 72 00:04:22.439 --> 00:04:24.639 going to do it again until I ended up doing 73 00:04:24.639 --> 00:04:25.160 this one. 74 00:04:25.480 --> 00:04:28.839 Now, for our American audience and our international audience that's 75 00:04:28.839 --> 00:04:32.879 not familiar with the RCMP, Royal Canadian Mounted Police, tell 76 00:04:32.959 --> 00:04:36.040 us just in terms of the FBI or policing in 77 00:04:36.120 --> 00:04:40.600 the US, you talk about contract policing, tell us in comparison, 78 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:44.199 what's the difference between the RCNP and the FBI and 79 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:47.480 the RCNP and police forces in Canada. 80 00:04:47.519 --> 00:04:51.120 Well, the RCMP, on its surface looks like a police 81 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:54.480 force and it's heralded around the world as a symbol 82 00:04:54.519 --> 00:04:58.720 of Canada. But what it is is especially a regimental 83 00:04:58.879 --> 00:05:03.160 army that began in eighteen seventy four in Western Canada 84 00:05:03.199 --> 00:05:09.639 to basically protect settlers and Aboriginal populations, and by nineteen 85 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:14.680 oh five, when Saskatchewan and Alberta became provinces, it became 86 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:20.040 the provincial police forces for those provinces on a contract basis. 87 00:05:20.120 --> 00:05:22.759 And what that meant was the province has hired the 88 00:05:22.839 --> 00:05:27.120 forces to operate under the provincial policing laws, but there 89 00:05:27.160 --> 00:05:30.680 were still a federal operation. So the visit imagine the 90 00:05:30.759 --> 00:05:35.079 FBI as a federal police force, a federally constituted police 91 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:40.560 force working in South Dakota handing out in mark cars 92 00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:45.519 marked FBI, doing radar enforcement and investigating break ins and 93 00:05:45.759 --> 00:05:49.000 whatever a municipal or provincial or state police force would 94 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:53.040 be doing. It's sort of a bastardized hybridized form of policing. 95 00:05:53.279 --> 00:05:56.639 And in Canada the RCMP is the majority of the 96 00:05:56.680 --> 00:05:59.959 work it does is contract policing, So more than eleven 97 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:04.360 thousand of its sort of twenty thousand odd serving officers 98 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:08.319 eighteen thousand serving officers probably are doing contract policing, and 99 00:06:08.360 --> 00:06:11.800 the provinces outside of Ontario and Quebec. So Ontario Quebec 100 00:06:11.839 --> 00:06:14.959 are the two largest provinces. They have their own provincial 101 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:17.600 police you know, the Antario Provincial Police and the stee 102 00:06:17.639 --> 00:06:21.920 to Quebec, and they have all municipal police forces throughout 103 00:06:21.920 --> 00:06:25.360 the province. But in the other provinces, the RCMP operates 104 00:06:25.399 --> 00:06:28.480 as a contract police force. One other note is the 105 00:06:28.639 --> 00:06:33.399 RCMP says this is allows them to be a force, 106 00:06:33.480 --> 00:06:36.759 a national police force, so they have their figure on 107 00:06:36.839 --> 00:06:40.079 the pulse of crime in the nation, but that's not true. 108 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:42.879 The largest urban area that the force polices are a 109 00:06:42.879 --> 00:06:45.879 couple of suburbs of Vancouver on the West coast and 110 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:49.439 Monkdon New Brunswick population approxbately one hundred and fifty thousand, 111 00:06:49.879 --> 00:06:53.000 and in between there are a rural police force I 112 00:06:53.079 --> 00:06:55.279 call them, and this is not a pejorative. This comes 113 00:06:55.319 --> 00:06:57.920 from the old Romany word that dicks from the sticks. 114 00:06:58.079 --> 00:07:01.360 So they're essentially a rural police force, territorial police force 115 00:07:01.439 --> 00:07:01.959 in the North. 116 00:07:02.279 --> 00:07:03.560 But they're still supposed. 117 00:07:03.240 --> 00:07:06.120 To be operating as a federal police force and they can't. 118 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:10.360 It's just so cumbersome, so hybridized. They can't really do 119 00:07:10.399 --> 00:07:12.319 a good job of any of it. So the last 120 00:07:12.319 --> 00:07:14.160 point of this. I ran into a guy the other day, 121 00:07:14.199 --> 00:07:17.399 at Irish immigrant who lived in Western Canada and now 122 00:07:17.399 --> 00:07:20.319 lives in Nova Scotia. We got talking about this about 123 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:23.160 the RCMP, and he says, I've served in two armies, 124 00:07:23.399 --> 00:07:26.000 and he said, what the RCMP is to me is 125 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:28.879 not a police force, but a very poor army, because 126 00:07:28.920 --> 00:07:32.079 police forces, in his view, should be localized and understand 127 00:07:32.160 --> 00:07:35.959 the local terrain and local population and demographics, and the 128 00:07:36.079 --> 00:07:37.959 RCMP is very poor doing that. 129 00:07:38.360 --> 00:07:42.360 Now you speak about the command that these officers are 130 00:07:42.639 --> 00:07:45.920 in these rural areas that they have to patrol. If 131 00:07:45.920 --> 00:07:48.680 I mispronounced the name of this community, but tell us 132 00:07:48.720 --> 00:07:52.959 about Porta Pic, Nova Scotia, and what this community really 133 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:55.399 this area really consisted of. 134 00:07:55.639 --> 00:07:55.800 Well. 135 00:07:55.879 --> 00:08:00.399 Porta Pick is just northwest of a town called Borough 136 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:04.560 in northern Nova Scotia. It's right on the Minus Basin, 137 00:08:04.600 --> 00:08:08.000 which is sort of the northeast arm of the Bay 138 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:11.439 of Fundy. And the Bay of Fundy is that large 139 00:08:11.519 --> 00:08:16.759 bay in the North Atlantic which separates Maine and Nova Scotia. 140 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:20.120 At its mouth. It runs about two hundred miles. It's 141 00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:22.800 quite wide. It's the home of the highest tides in 142 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:26.519 the world. You know, at Parsboro and Burncote Head the 143 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:30.079 tides could run like fifty two feet twice a day. 144 00:08:30.279 --> 00:08:35.039 So it's very dramatic. It's wild and crazy, but you know, 145 00:08:35.279 --> 00:08:38.639 peaceful in its own way. So low population. And in 146 00:08:38.759 --> 00:08:42.759 Portapec there was a community there of you know, sort 147 00:08:42.759 --> 00:08:46.679 of vacation home, some permanent residents. Not fancy by any 148 00:08:46.759 --> 00:08:49.399 stretch of the imagination. I mean, at one point, one 149 00:08:49.440 --> 00:08:54.759 of the victims in this called the neighborhood Orchard Beach Estate, 150 00:08:55.240 --> 00:08:59.000 but hers was sort of the nicest house in the 151 00:08:59.159 --> 00:09:04.000 estate seven years ago, so sold for like under two 152 00:09:04.080 --> 00:09:07.799 hundred thousand dollars Canadian. Most of the lots were like 153 00:09:07.840 --> 00:09:10.240 an acre and a half and sold for anywhere between 154 00:09:10.279 --> 00:09:14.120 eighteen to twenty thousand. So this is not prime land. 155 00:09:14.200 --> 00:09:17.559 It's sort of windy, cold, but some people considered idyllic 156 00:09:17.679 --> 00:09:21.639 because it's so removed from the everyday, hectic life that 157 00:09:21.720 --> 00:09:24.440 goes on elsewhere. And then the other point about this 158 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:27.840 dan is because of its isolation, in its oral nature, 159 00:09:27.960 --> 00:09:31.600 it's also in its water access and its proximity to 160 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:35.759 the United States. It's also a primaria for smuggling drug 161 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:39.639 trafficking and organized crime to go under the radar. 162 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:43.519 Now tell us about Gabriel Wartman, this deadsurist. 163 00:09:43.679 --> 00:09:46.840 Well, Gabriel Wartman was an odd duck and as I 164 00:09:46.919 --> 00:09:49.600 described him in the book, one of the outer ducks 165 00:09:49.639 --> 00:09:53.320 you're going to see doing this kind of thing, because 166 00:09:53.919 --> 00:09:56.279 you know, unlike the you know, some people want to 167 00:09:56.320 --> 00:09:59.399 say nothing about him, but I think it's interesting to 168 00:09:59.519 --> 00:10:02.919 see all all aspects of his character. And he was 169 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:06.799 born to this sort of odd, sort of violent at 170 00:10:06.840 --> 00:10:11.039 times family in a suburb of Monkton, New Brunswick, place 171 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:14.080 called Riverview. He had two uncles and a cousin who 172 00:10:14.120 --> 00:10:17.480 were royal Canadian amount of police officers. He grew up 173 00:10:17.600 --> 00:10:19.320 a lot of people just said he was kind of 174 00:10:19.360 --> 00:10:22.399 a quirky fellow. He did some quirky things that I 175 00:10:22.519 --> 00:10:27.000 described in the book. He eventually went to university in Fredericton, 176 00:10:27.000 --> 00:10:30.039 New Brunswick, but even at that time he was involved 177 00:10:30.080 --> 00:10:33.879 in cigarette smuggling and smuggling drugs and stuff across the 178 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:39.200 border in Maine and in league with a crooked homosexual 179 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:42.440 lawyer named Tom Evans, who eventually got hooked up with 180 00:10:42.960 --> 00:10:49.039 defending a crazy side story. Was defending Colombian drug traffickers 181 00:10:49.320 --> 00:10:53.440 who cartel members who got caught in New Brunswick came 182 00:10:53.480 --> 00:10:55.840 over the border and I think their plane crashed and 183 00:10:56.240 --> 00:10:59.240 he had to he defended them. And this sort of 184 00:10:59.240 --> 00:11:03.000 puts Workman in this league with, you know, one association 185 00:11:03.200 --> 00:11:06.879 with these sort of organized crime figures and cartel members, 186 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:10.039 and that becomes a theme later in the story. And 187 00:11:10.360 --> 00:11:13.639 as a dentist, you know, some people saw him as creepy, 188 00:11:14.080 --> 00:11:16.360 even you know, in my glass business. I ran into 189 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:20.200 customers after this this Massacres who said, oh, well he 190 00:11:20.279 --> 00:11:22.840 did this work for me, said, oh, he was so beautiful, 191 00:11:22.840 --> 00:11:25.039 he was so nice, and he did these things and 192 00:11:25.039 --> 00:11:27.399 gave us good prices, and others said he was kind 193 00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:30.840 of creepy. He did creepy things, and eventually I described 194 00:11:30.840 --> 00:11:32.840 some of those creepy things as I found. 195 00:11:32.600 --> 00:11:33.360 Out about it later. 196 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:36.639 And he lived in Dartmouth, which is a sort of 197 00:11:36.679 --> 00:11:39.440 the other half or one of the eastern side of 198 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:42.879 Halifax across the harbor. There's two bridges connecting them. And 199 00:11:42.919 --> 00:11:46.000 he had a summer place on Quortapic Beach Road, which 200 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:48.120 is probably one of the nicest, the nicest place in 201 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:51.679 the community. And it was right along the water, and 202 00:11:51.960 --> 00:11:54.279 you know, it's like a log cabin. And he spent 203 00:11:54.360 --> 00:11:57.080 most of his time there and then and then about 204 00:11:57.480 --> 00:12:01.600 through the woods about four hundred yards or about a 205 00:12:01.720 --> 00:12:06.159 mile driving by road. He had a huge warehouse. You know, 206 00:12:06.240 --> 00:12:08.840 the base for the warehouse was like thirty two hundred 207 00:12:08.840 --> 00:12:10.799 square feet and it was like a story and a 208 00:12:10.799 --> 00:12:15.159 half and that was his man cave at one thirty 209 00:12:15.480 --> 00:12:20.000 six or you'd beach drive. So the proximity. These things 210 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:23.480 become important later, right, the location of the house, the 211 00:12:23.519 --> 00:12:27.279 location of the warehouse. People following the story for the 212 00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:30.559 last two years who haven't been paying close attention think 213 00:12:30.600 --> 00:12:33.360 they're beside each other. If they're not beside each other, 214 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:36.200 it's a bit of a trek, and that becomes important 215 00:12:36.600 --> 00:12:37.840 later on the story. 216 00:12:37.840 --> 00:12:40.399 As you write about somebody that had been in this 217 00:12:40.559 --> 00:12:44.279 warehouse previous. What was in this warehouse in this man cave. 218 00:12:44.399 --> 00:12:47.559 Well, he had you know, he had his He was 219 00:12:47.600 --> 00:12:53.000 a motorcycle, motorbike collector, right and he was constantly importing 220 00:12:54.039 --> 00:12:58.159 mini bikes, motorcycle parts, and motorcycles from the United States. 221 00:12:58.360 --> 00:13:01.639 His prize possession was ap to the America Bike, which 222 00:13:02.240 --> 00:13:06.080 was made famous in the movie. There was nineteen sixty 223 00:13:06.080 --> 00:13:11.039 seven movie Easy Rider, Peter Fonda and Jack Nicholson riding 224 00:13:11.080 --> 00:13:15.799 this high handled motorcycle. And the funny thing of the 225 00:13:15.879 --> 00:13:19.559 parallel in the story is that they used that bike 226 00:13:19.919 --> 00:13:24.159 to smuggle drugs. And pretty well, that's what Workman was 227 00:13:24.200 --> 00:13:27.240 doing in his real life, using motorcycles and motorcycle parts 228 00:13:27.240 --> 00:13:30.639 as a cover to smuggle drugs and distribute. 229 00:13:30.120 --> 00:13:32.120 Them here, there and everywhere. Well at the. 230 00:13:32.120 --> 00:13:36.799 Same time pretending to be a dentist making teeth for 231 00:13:36.960 --> 00:13:40.480 dentists and other and patients directly, So it was it 232 00:13:40.519 --> 00:13:43.200 was his cover. And then the other thing that was 233 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:46.159 unusual about the warehouse is that it had an apartment 234 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:49.519 in it. It also had a secret room with a 235 00:13:49.639 --> 00:13:53.559 toilet in behind a panel, which sort of gave one 236 00:13:53.600 --> 00:13:55.360 of the women I described in there, a couple of 237 00:13:55.360 --> 00:13:58.519 the women who I described as being there as creeping 238 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:02.080 them out. So that was sort of of Workman's sort 239 00:14:02.080 --> 00:14:07.200 of his lifestyle was there. He loved the warehouse. He 240 00:14:07.320 --> 00:14:10.080 spent a lot of time there, a lot of drinking 241 00:14:10.120 --> 00:14:12.600 there with neighbors and friends. But he never had a 242 00:14:12.639 --> 00:14:15.720 lot of guests to his place other than for his 243 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:19.759 relatives of his common law wife Lisa Banfield, who'd been 244 00:14:19.799 --> 00:14:20.960 with for nineteen years. 245 00:14:21.120 --> 00:14:21.279 Now. 246 00:14:21.279 --> 00:14:24.960 You read about his personality, some of the exhibiting some 247 00:14:25.039 --> 00:14:29.000 of the behavior that's very interesting in light of this 248 00:14:29.120 --> 00:14:33.720 massacre massacres. You cite a business dealing with his uncle 249 00:14:34.399 --> 00:14:37.720 and others where he loaned money, but also you talk 250 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:41.360 about a violent incident after threatening his father. 251 00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:42.080 Paul. 252 00:14:42.360 --> 00:14:48.279 Yeah, Well, Paul Wortman was well sort of established in 253 00:14:48.320 --> 00:14:54.000 this world practice of helping people with houses and then 254 00:14:54.480 --> 00:14:57.360 stealing the real estate, basically grinding them out of the 255 00:14:57.399 --> 00:15:00.759 real estate, and Gabriel got involved in this as well. 256 00:15:00.879 --> 00:15:04.360 So he would help people with their houses and then 257 00:15:04.440 --> 00:15:06.600 get them to sign over the deed, then steal the 258 00:15:06.639 --> 00:15:07.720 properties from them. 259 00:15:08.279 --> 00:15:10.039 So he was ruthless in that way. 260 00:15:10.360 --> 00:15:14.559 And eventually one of his uncles, his uncle Glynn, was 261 00:15:14.600 --> 00:15:17.919 coming out of jail. His uncle Glenn had reacted and 262 00:15:18.039 --> 00:15:22.360 stabbed his own father because of violence in the family 263 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:24.919 and ended up going to prison for it. Then he 264 00:15:25.000 --> 00:15:30.240 came out and Gabriel or for whatever reason he was, 265 00:15:30.360 --> 00:15:34.799 he wanted to buy the property in Puortapic Beach and 266 00:15:34.840 --> 00:15:37.440 it was approprily at one thirty five Orchard Beach Drive, 267 00:15:37.519 --> 00:15:41.240 which is directly across the street from the warehouse, and 268 00:15:41.279 --> 00:15:46.279 it's this nice pavilion style building, one of the nicest 269 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:49.720 houses in the neighborhood. And that they got into a 270 00:15:49.720 --> 00:15:53.399 big dispute about it because Gabriel said, I'll lend you 271 00:15:53.480 --> 00:15:58.879 the money. And then when Glenn was getting upset about 272 00:15:59.240 --> 00:16:02.639 he wanted to get his money out, Gabriel wouldn't give 273 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:04.159 it back to him because he said. 274 00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:05.120 It's my house. 275 00:16:05.879 --> 00:16:08.360 He thought that the house should be his, and so 276 00:16:08.399 --> 00:16:13.000 they ended up in a family dispute. Eventually, this family 277 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:15.519 is it. Around the same time, he gets a fight 278 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:19.639 with his father well on vacation in the Caribbean and 279 00:16:20.080 --> 00:16:25.159 beats the crap out of him over other dealings about 280 00:16:25.240 --> 00:16:28.120 real estate at his own house because his father had 281 00:16:28.120 --> 00:16:31.200 a piece of his house and Gabriel wanted his house. 282 00:16:31.200 --> 00:16:34.159 So all these real estate transacts, these crazy real estate 283 00:16:34.679 --> 00:16:39.200 estate transactions were going on, and Workman was you know, 284 00:16:39.600 --> 00:16:42.480 showed how violent he could be and how ruthless he 285 00:16:42.519 --> 00:16:45.080 could be when it came to money in real estate. 286 00:16:45.559 --> 00:16:48.799 Now let's get to talking about these replica cars and 287 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:53.840 what the police knew about these exact detailed replica cars 288 00:16:54.000 --> 00:16:58.360 RCMP cars. You mentioned that his relatives were in members 289 00:16:58.399 --> 00:17:02.159 of the RCMP, A cousin and an uncle and I 290 00:17:02.159 --> 00:17:05.079 think twouns no two uncles. So let's talk about this. 291 00:17:05.519 --> 00:17:07.839 What they knew about this replica car and what other 292 00:17:07.880 --> 00:17:11.480 people knew about these How many of these replicas did 293 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:15.359 he have? And even some of the other mammabilia that 294 00:17:15.440 --> 00:17:16.400 he was a collector of. 295 00:17:16.519 --> 00:17:20.039 Well, he collected all kinds of RCMP memorabilia. He had 296 00:17:20.160 --> 00:17:23.559 uniforms that it's not really clear where all the stuff 297 00:17:23.599 --> 00:17:26.079 comes from. It's very you know, did it come from 298 00:17:26.119 --> 00:17:29.119 his uncle? He had friend, a close friend on the 299 00:17:29.119 --> 00:17:34.920 Halifax Municipal Police Force. He seemed to have some Halifax paraphernalia. 300 00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:36.079 And then in. 301 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:41.119 Twenty eighteen twenty nineteen, I should say early twenty nineteen, 302 00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:45.480 for some reason, he started buying decommissioned police cars. And 303 00:17:45.519 --> 00:17:48.680 these are RCMP police cars that we sold at government auction, 304 00:17:49.359 --> 00:17:51.720 and you can usually get these cars for a reasonably 305 00:17:51.759 --> 00:17:56.759 good price, so they'd be stripped down and no identifying 306 00:17:56.839 --> 00:17:59.319 markings on them or anything like that. So he bought 307 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:02.160 three of them in a very short period of time, 308 00:18:02.440 --> 00:18:05.799 sort of in the spring of twenty nineteen, moving into 309 00:18:05.839 --> 00:18:10.279 the summer of twenty nineteen. Then eventually he bought a 310 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:14.759 fourth one that only had like probably under two thousand 311 00:18:15.279 --> 00:18:18.480 miles on it, and he paid like thirteen thousand and 312 00:18:18.599 --> 00:18:20.839 five hundred for it. It had like a little dent in 313 00:18:20.920 --> 00:18:23.480 the front there was in fact, it was written off, 314 00:18:23.559 --> 00:18:25.880 and a mechanic who looked at it, who I talked to, 315 00:18:26.079 --> 00:18:29.400 said there was hardly any damage. Even the winch old 316 00:18:29.599 --> 00:18:33.799 washer fluid container wasn't damaged, and he took her to 317 00:18:34.240 --> 00:18:38.039 In twenty nineteen, he started to build this car into 318 00:18:38.240 --> 00:18:45.000 a replica RCMP cruiser, complete with decals, light bar, pushbar, 319 00:18:46.079 --> 00:18:50.720 silent patrol, mum screen, radios, everything. And he told people 320 00:18:50.799 --> 00:18:53.200 that he was doing this as part of his own 321 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:58.079 sort of honoring the RCMP and doing his own sort 322 00:18:58.079 --> 00:19:01.680 of you know, he's a elector. He pursuaded himself as 323 00:19:01.680 --> 00:19:05.519 a collector, right and that he told people that the 324 00:19:05.680 --> 00:19:08.440 RCMP approved of it as long as he only took 325 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:11.400 it to shows and didn't drive it on the road. 326 00:19:12.039 --> 00:19:15.160 Some people say they complained to the RCMP about having 327 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:18.279 him having this police card which he openly displayed on 328 00:19:18.400 --> 00:19:21.559 Portapit Beach Road, and there's some allegations that he actually 329 00:19:21.599 --> 00:19:24.559 took it and drove it into Truro and elsewhere, but 330 00:19:24.759 --> 00:19:26.640 the RCMP did nothing about that. 331 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:31.720 Let's talk about this common law partner, Lisa Banfield. What 332 00:19:31.880 --> 00:19:34.920 is known about her? Tell us about Lisa Banfield and 333 00:19:35.160 --> 00:19:37.799 the relationship she had with Warman. 334 00:19:38.119 --> 00:19:41.319 Well, on the surface, if you pay attention to the 335 00:19:41.480 --> 00:19:45.319 you know, if you look at the news stories about her, 336 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:49.839 she's never referred to by name until very recently. She's 337 00:19:49.920 --> 00:19:55.200 just the abused victim of domestic violence. Lisa Banfield fifty 338 00:19:55.240 --> 00:19:57.960 one years old at the time, part of a nineteen 339 00:19:58.079 --> 00:20:02.880 year common law relationship. Banfield Mett Wortman around two thousand 340 00:20:02.920 --> 00:20:06.039 and one after her first marriage broke up, and she 341 00:20:06.279 --> 00:20:09.559 lived with him from that time sort of on and off, 342 00:20:09.960 --> 00:20:14.200 and very little is very little known about her really, 343 00:20:14.279 --> 00:20:16.519 you know, like you try to do a biography about her, 344 00:20:16.519 --> 00:20:17.799 it's like trying to nail. 345 00:20:17.640 --> 00:20:19.519 Jello to a wall, right. But as I. 346 00:20:19.440 --> 00:20:22.039 Started to dig into her, I found that, you know, 347 00:20:22.119 --> 00:20:26.279 there's while she's portrayed to be this innocent victim of 348 00:20:27.240 --> 00:20:31.240 domestic violence, from the time she hooked up with Workmen, 349 00:20:31.559 --> 00:20:34.920 he was clearly involved in criminal activity. I mean in 350 00:20:34.960 --> 00:20:38.119 the neighborhood in Dartmouth where he had his denturous clinic 351 00:20:38.160 --> 00:20:42.000 on Prilan Boulevard. He coveted the properties around him because 352 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:45.559 he fancied himself as a real estate developer, and the 353 00:20:45.599 --> 00:20:48.200 properties around him were kind of run down in derelict, 354 00:20:48.279 --> 00:20:51.519 and they all started having fires, like three or I 355 00:20:51.519 --> 00:20:53.680 think there's three or four fires over a three year 356 00:20:53.720 --> 00:20:57.240 period that basic especially destroys all the buildings. But there's 357 00:20:57.599 --> 00:21:00.759 of note is one of Wortman's good friends is an 358 00:21:00.880 --> 00:21:04.759 arsonist and a convicted arsonist that we know about, a 359 00:21:04.759 --> 00:21:08.119 convicted criminal with a very short of history. Then Banfield 360 00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:12.200 doesn't appear to notice any of these things going on. 361 00:21:12.200 --> 00:21:14.920 One of the things I noticed about I just recently 362 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:18.240 wrote about Banfield that's not even in the book, is 363 00:21:18.279 --> 00:21:21.400 that I was looking at her. In the book, I 364 00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:24.079 have a description of her being involved in a small 365 00:21:24.079 --> 00:21:29.000 claims court case in twenty ten, which was very very curious, 366 00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:32.759 but I didn't have one of the important details that 367 00:21:32.839 --> 00:21:34.920 I only found out after the book was out, which 368 00:21:34.960 --> 00:21:36.799 will be in the subsequent version. 369 00:21:36.880 --> 00:21:37.279 Believe me. 370 00:21:37.799 --> 00:21:39.799 I started to look at this against I was learned 371 00:21:39.880 --> 00:21:44.200 that there was a second small claims court case about 372 00:21:44.240 --> 00:21:49.319 her that would be very revealing about her character. And 373 00:21:49.440 --> 00:21:52.920 in that case, back in nineteen ninety nine before she 374 00:21:53.039 --> 00:21:55.559 met Workman. It's kind of a crazy case. She went 375 00:21:55.640 --> 00:21:59.400 for hair extensions and she met you know, she went 376 00:21:59.440 --> 00:22:03.119 to this person who did that, got the hair extensions, 377 00:22:03.279 --> 00:22:05.440 was told not to wash her hair for a week, 378 00:22:05.759 --> 00:22:08.559 paid like four hundred and fifty dollars for the hair extensions. 379 00:22:08.759 --> 00:22:11.759 Came home and according to the sources, I had immediately 380 00:22:11.920 --> 00:22:17.119 washed her hair, used some conditioner, the extension started falling out. 381 00:22:17.359 --> 00:22:21.559 So she made up this story that the hairdresser had 382 00:22:21.599 --> 00:22:24.440 failed and took them to Small Flames Court. So essentially 383 00:22:24.440 --> 00:22:27.559 created a false story and got half her money back 384 00:22:27.759 --> 00:22:31.559 from this case. And while I was researching that, I 385 00:22:31.640 --> 00:22:35.440 came across the second the most revealing document in the 386 00:22:35.480 --> 00:22:38.240 second case, which was revealing in and of itself. After 387 00:22:38.319 --> 00:22:42.920 Wortman's gay lawyer friend Tom Evans died in two thousand 388 00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:46.640 and nine, Wortman got his properties in Monkdin, New Brunswick, 389 00:22:46.720 --> 00:22:49.920 and a bunch of cash, maybe three hundred thousand dollars 390 00:22:50.079 --> 00:22:53.960 and a gun or two, and sort of I think 391 00:22:54.319 --> 00:22:59.839 access to evans criminal client base. He bought Banfield four ranks, 392 00:23:00.359 --> 00:23:04.519 but he presented them as these ten thousand dollars diamond 393 00:23:04.759 --> 00:23:06.920 one of them is a ten thousand dollars diamond ring. 394 00:23:07.079 --> 00:23:10.039 But it was great at S thirteen S twelve S thirteen, 395 00:23:10.079 --> 00:23:12.079 which is not even really a grade. Some people think 396 00:23:12.079 --> 00:23:16.240 that S thirteen it's not really a quality diamond because 397 00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:20.880 it's so included or cloudy. So Lisa gets these diamonds 398 00:23:20.920 --> 00:23:23.680 and throws them into a dentrous machine with some cleaning 399 00:23:24.000 --> 00:23:28.680 solution and destroys them. So she goes to small Claims 400 00:23:28.680 --> 00:23:32.559 part to sue the company that was supposed to repair them. 401 00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:36.839