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Speaker 5: Good Evening, a shocking expose of the deadliest killing spree
Speaker 5: in Canadian history and how police tragically failed its victims
Speaker 5: and survivors. As news broke of a killer rampaging across
Speaker 5: the tiny community of Porta Peak, Nova Scotia, late on
Speaker 5: April eighteenth, twenty twenty, details were oddly hard to come by.
Speaker 5: Who was the killer, why was he not apprehended, what
Speaker 5: were police doing? How many were dead? And why was
Speaker 5: the gunman still on the loose the next morning and
Speaker 5: killing again. The RCMP was largely silent then and continued
Speaker 5: to obscure the actions of denturist Gabriel Wortmann after an
Speaker 5: officer shot and killed them at a gas station during
Speaker 5: a chance encounter. Though retired as an investigative journalist and author,
Speaker 5: Paul Polango spent much of his career reporting on Canada's
Speaker 5: troubled National Police Force, watching the RCMP stumble through the
Speaker 5: Porta Pete massacre only a few hours from his Nova
Speaker 5: Scotia home, Plango knew the story behind the headlines was
Speaker 5: more complicated and damning than anyone was willing to admit.
Speaker 5: With the COVID nineteen lockdowns sealing off the Maritimes, no
Speaker 5: journalist in the province knew the RCMP better than Plango did.
Speaker 5: Within a month, he was back in print and on
Speaker 5: the radio, peeling away the layers of this murderous episode
Speaker 5: as only he could, and earthing the collision of failure
Speaker 5: and malfeasance that cost a quiet community twenty two innocent lives.
Speaker 5: The book that we're featuring this sevening is twenty two Murders,
Speaker 5: Investigating the massacres, cover Up and Obstacles to Justice in
Speaker 5: Nova Scotia, with my special guests and journalist and author
Speaker 5: Paul Polango. Welcome to the program, and thank you so
Speaker 5: much for this interview. Paul Polango, Thank you for having me, Dan,
Speaker 5: thank you so much. Thank you for joining us on
Speaker 5: this incredible, incredible story, twenty two Murders.
Speaker 6: Well, it's funny. It's not something I ever envisaged doing.
Speaker 6: You know, I thought my book writing days were behind me,
Speaker 6: and for the last twenty years I've been essentially working
Speaker 6: as a glass artist with my wife, and we have
Speaker 6: a successful business doing you know, and a wholesale and
Speaker 6: retail business, and that's kept me occupied except for a
Speaker 6: brief period of writing a book in two thousand and eight,
Speaker 6: which was called Dispersing the Fog Inside the Secret World
Speaker 6: of Ottawa and the RCMP. I didn't think i'd be
Speaker 6: doing another one because the previous books I wrote were
Speaker 6: largely dispelled by the police and politicians, and I was
Speaker 6: called a conspiracy theorist and all kinds of things, and
Speaker 6: a lot of people sort of shied away from my writings.
Speaker 6: So I was resigned to the fact that I wasn't
Speaker 6: going to do it again until I ended up doing
Speaker 6: this one.
Speaker 5: Now, for our American audience and our international audience that's
Speaker 5: not familiar with the RCMP, Royal Canadian Mounted Police, tell
Speaker 5: us just in terms of the FBI or policing in
Speaker 5: the US, you talk about contract policing, tell us in comparison,
Speaker 5: what's the difference between the RCNP and the FBI and
Speaker 5: the RCNP and police forces in Canada.
Speaker 2: Well, the RCMP, on its surface looks like a police
Speaker 2: force and it's heralded around the world as a symbol
Speaker 2: of Canada. But what it is is especially a regimental
Speaker 2: army that began in eighteen seventy four in Western Canada
Speaker 2: to basically protect settlers and Aboriginal populations, and by nineteen
Speaker 2: oh five, when Saskatchewan and Alberta became provinces, it became
Speaker 2: the provincial police forces for those provinces on a contract basis.
Speaker 2: And what that meant was the province has hired the
Speaker 2: forces to operate under the provincial policing laws, but there
Speaker 2: were still a federal operation. So the visit imagine the
Speaker 2: FBI as a federal police force, a federally constituted police
Speaker 2: force working in South Dakota handing out in mark cars
Speaker 2: marked FBI, doing radar enforcement and investigating break ins and
Speaker 2: whatever a municipal or provincial or state police force would
Speaker 2: be doing. It's sort of a bastardized hybridized form of policing.
Speaker 2: And in Canada the RCMP is the majority of the
Speaker 2: work it does is contract policing, So more than eleven
Speaker 2: thousand of its sort of twenty thousand odd serving officers
Speaker 2: eighteen thousand serving officers probably are doing contract policing, and
Speaker 2: the provinces outside of Ontario and Quebec. So Ontario Quebec
Speaker 2: are the two largest provinces. They have their own provincial
Speaker 2: police you know, the Antario Provincial Police and the stee
Speaker 2: to Quebec, and they have all municipal police forces throughout
Speaker 2: the province. But in the other provinces, the RCMP operates
Speaker 2: as a contract police force. One other note is the
Speaker 2: RCMP says this is allows them to be a force,
Speaker 2: a national police force, so they have their figure on
Speaker 2: the pulse of crime in the nation, but that's not true.
Speaker 2: The largest urban area that the force polices are a
Speaker 2: couple of suburbs of Vancouver on the West coast and
Speaker 2: Monkdon New Brunswick population approxbately one hundred and fifty thousand,
Speaker 2: and in between there are a rural police force I
Speaker 2: call them, and this is not a pejorative. This comes
Speaker 2: from the old Romany word that dicks from the sticks.
Speaker 2: So they're essentially a rural police force, territorial police force
Speaker 2: in the North.
Speaker 7: But they're still supposed.
Speaker 2: To be operating as a federal police force and they can't.
Speaker 2: It's just so cumbersome, so hybridized. They can't really do
Speaker 2: a good job of any of it. So the last
Speaker 2: point of this. I ran into a guy the other day,
Speaker 2: at Irish immigrant who lived in Western Canada and now
Speaker 2: lives in Nova Scotia. We got talking about this about
Speaker 2: the RCMP, and he says, I've served in two armies,
Speaker 2: and he said, what the RCMP is to me is
Speaker 2: not a police force, but a very poor army, because
Speaker 2: police forces, in his view, should be localized and understand
Speaker 2: the local terrain and local population and demographics, and the
Speaker 2: RCMP is very poor doing that.
Speaker 5: Now you speak about the command that these officers are
Speaker 5: in these rural areas that they have to patrol. If
Speaker 5: I mispronounced the name of this community, but tell us
Speaker 5: about Porta Pic, Nova Scotia, and what this community really
Speaker 5: this area really consisted of.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 2: Porta Pick is just northwest of a town called Borough
Speaker 2: in northern Nova Scotia. It's right on the Minus Basin,
Speaker 2: which is sort of the northeast arm of the Bay
Speaker 2: of Fundy. And the Bay of Fundy is that large
Speaker 2: bay in the North Atlantic which separates Maine and Nova Scotia.
Speaker 2: At its mouth. It runs about two hundred miles. It's
Speaker 2: quite wide. It's the home of the highest tides in
Speaker 2: the world. You know, at Parsboro and Burncote Head the
Speaker 2: tides could run like fifty two feet twice a day.
Speaker 2: So it's very dramatic. It's wild and crazy, but you know,
Speaker 2: peaceful in its own way. So low population. And in
Speaker 2: Portapec there was a community there of you know, sort
Speaker 2: of vacation home, some permanent residents. Not fancy by any
Speaker 2: stretch of the imagination. I mean, at one point, one
Speaker 2: of the victims in this called the neighborhood Orchard Beach Estate,
Speaker 2: but hers was sort of the nicest house in the
Speaker 2: estate seven years ago, so sold for like under two
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars Canadian. Most of the lots were like
Speaker 2: an acre and a half and sold for anywhere between
Speaker 2: eighteen to twenty thousand. So this is not prime land.
Speaker 2: It's sort of windy, cold, but some people considered idyllic
Speaker 2: because it's so removed from the everyday, hectic life that
Speaker 2: goes on elsewhere. And then the other point about this
Speaker 2: dan is because of its isolation, in its oral nature,
Speaker 2: it's also in its water access and its proximity to
Speaker 2: the United States. It's also a primaria for smuggling drug
Speaker 2: trafficking and organized crime to go under the radar.
Speaker 5: Now tell us about Gabriel Wartman, this deadsurist.
Speaker 2: Well, Gabriel Wartman was an odd duck and as I
Speaker 2: described him in the book, one of the outer ducks
Speaker 2: you're going to see doing this kind of thing, because
Speaker 2: you know, unlike the you know, some people want to
Speaker 2: say nothing about him, but I think it's interesting to
Speaker 2: see all all aspects of his character. And he was
Speaker 2: born to this sort of odd, sort of violent at
Speaker 2: times family in a suburb of Monkton, New Brunswick, place
Speaker 2: called Riverview. He had two uncles and a cousin who
Speaker 2: were royal Canadian amount of police officers. He grew up
Speaker 2: a lot of people just said he was kind of
Speaker 2: a quirky fellow. He did some quirky things that I
Speaker 2: described in the book. He eventually went to university in Fredericton,
Speaker 2: New Brunswick, but even at that time he was involved
Speaker 2: in cigarette smuggling and smuggling drugs and stuff across the
Speaker 2: border in Maine and in league with a crooked homosexual
Speaker 2: lawyer named Tom Evans, who eventually got hooked up with
Speaker 2: defending a crazy side story. Was defending Colombian drug traffickers
Speaker 2: who cartel members who got caught in New Brunswick came
Speaker 2: over the border and I think their plane crashed and
Speaker 2: he had to he defended them. And this sort of
Speaker 2: puts Workman in this league with, you know, one association
Speaker 2: with these sort of organized crime figures and cartel members,
Speaker 2: and that becomes a theme later in the story. And
Speaker 2: as a dentist, you know, some people saw him as creepy,
Speaker 2: even you know, in my glass business. I ran into
Speaker 2: customers after this this Massacres who said, oh, well he
Speaker 2: did this work for me, said, oh, he was so beautiful,
Speaker 2: he was so nice, and he did these things and
Speaker 2: gave us good prices, and others said he was kind
Speaker 2: of creepy. He did creepy things, and eventually I described
Speaker 2: some of those creepy things as I found.
Speaker 7: Out about it later.
Speaker 2: And he lived in Dartmouth, which is a sort of
Speaker 2: the other half or one of the eastern side of
Speaker 2: Halifax across the harbor. There's two bridges connecting them. And
Speaker 2: he had a summer place on Quortapic Beach Road, which
Speaker 2: is probably one of the nicest, the nicest place in
Speaker 2: the community. And it was right along the water, and
Speaker 2: you know, it's like a log cabin. And he spent
Speaker 2: most of his time there and then and then about
Speaker 2: through the woods about four hundred yards or about a
Speaker 2: mile driving by road. He had a huge warehouse. You know,
Speaker 2: the base for the warehouse was like thirty two hundred
Speaker 2: square feet and it was like a story and a
Speaker 2: half and that was his man cave at one thirty
Speaker 2: six or you'd beach drive. So the proximity. These things
Speaker 2: become important later, right, the location of the house, the
Speaker 2: location of the warehouse. People following the story for the
Speaker 2: last two years who haven't been paying close attention think
Speaker 2: they're beside each other. If they're not beside each other,
Speaker 2: it's a bit of a trek, and that becomes important
Speaker 2: later on the story.
Speaker 5: As you write about somebody that had been in this
Speaker 5: warehouse previous. What was in this warehouse in this man cave.
Speaker 2: Well, he had you know, he had his He was
Speaker 2: a motorcycle, motorbike collector, right and he was constantly importing
Speaker 2: mini bikes, motorcycle parts, and motorcycles from the United States.
Speaker 2: His prize possession was ap to the America Bike, which
Speaker 2: was made famous in the movie. There was nineteen sixty
Speaker 2: seven movie Easy Rider, Peter Fonda and Jack Nicholson riding
Speaker 2: this high handled motorcycle. And the funny thing of the
Speaker 2: parallel in the story is that they used that bike
Speaker 2: to smuggle drugs. And pretty well, that's what Workman was
Speaker 2: doing in his real life, using motorcycles and motorcycle parts
Speaker 2: as a cover to smuggle drugs and distribute.
Speaker 7: Them here, there and everywhere. Well at the.
Speaker 2: Same time pretending to be a dentist making teeth for
Speaker 2: dentists and other and patients directly, So it was it
Speaker 2: was his cover. And then the other thing that was
Speaker 2: unusual about the warehouse is that it had an apartment
Speaker 2: in it. It also had a secret room with a
Speaker 2: toilet in behind a panel, which sort of gave one
Speaker 2: of the women I described in there, a couple of
Speaker 2: the women who I described as being there as creeping
Speaker 2: them out. So that was sort of of Workman's sort
Speaker 2: of his lifestyle was there. He loved the warehouse. He
Speaker 2: spent a lot of time there, a lot of drinking
Speaker 2: there with neighbors and friends. But he never had a
Speaker 2: lot of guests to his place other than for his
Speaker 2: relatives of his common law wife Lisa Banfield, who'd been
Speaker 2: with for nineteen years.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 5: You read about his personality, some of the exhibiting some
Speaker 5: of the behavior that's very interesting in light of this
Speaker 5: massacre massacres. You cite a business dealing with his uncle
Speaker 5: and others where he loaned money, but also you talk
Speaker 5: about a violent incident after threatening his father.
Speaker 7: Paul.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, Paul Wortman was well sort of established in
Speaker 2: this world practice of helping people with houses and then
Speaker 2: stealing the real estate, basically grinding them out of the
Speaker 2: real estate, and Gabriel got involved in this as well.
Speaker 2: So he would help people with their houses and then
Speaker 2: get them to sign over the deed, then steal the
Speaker 2: properties from them.
Speaker 7: So he was ruthless in that way.
Speaker 2: And eventually one of his uncles, his uncle Glynn, was
Speaker 2: coming out of jail. His uncle Glenn had reacted and
Speaker 2: stabbed his own father because of violence in the family
Speaker 2: and ended up going to prison for it. Then he
Speaker 2: came out and Gabriel or for whatever reason he was,
Speaker 2: he wanted to buy the property in Puortapic Beach and
Speaker 2: it was approprily at one thirty five Orchard Beach Drive,
Speaker 2: which is directly across the street from the warehouse, and
Speaker 2: it's this nice pavilion style building, one of the nicest
Speaker 2: houses in the neighborhood. And that they got into a
Speaker 2: big dispute about it because Gabriel said, I'll lend you
Speaker 2: the money. And then when Glenn was getting upset about
Speaker 2: he wanted to get his money out, Gabriel wouldn't give
Speaker 2: it back to him because he said.
Speaker 7: It's my house.
Speaker 2: He thought that the house should be his, and so
Speaker 2: they ended up in a family dispute. Eventually, this family
Speaker 2: is it. Around the same time, he gets a fight
Speaker 2: with his father well on vacation in the Caribbean and
Speaker 2: beats the crap out of him over other dealings about
Speaker 2: real estate at his own house because his father had
Speaker 2: a piece of his house and Gabriel wanted his house.
Speaker 2: So all these real estate transacts, these crazy real estate
Speaker 2: estate transactions were going on, and Workman was you know,
Speaker 2: showed how violent he could be and how ruthless he
Speaker 2: could be when it came to money in real estate.
Speaker 5: Now let's get to talking about these replica cars and
Speaker 5: what the police knew about these exact detailed replica cars
Speaker 5: RCMP cars. You mentioned that his relatives were in members
Speaker 5: of the RCMP, A cousin and an uncle and I
Speaker 5: think twouns no two uncles. So let's talk about this.
Speaker 5: What they knew about this replica car and what other
Speaker 5: people knew about these How many of these replicas did
Speaker 5: he have? And even some of the other mammabilia that
Speaker 5: he was a collector of.
Speaker 2: Well, he collected all kinds of RCMP memorabilia. He had
Speaker 2: uniforms that it's not really clear where all the stuff
Speaker 2: comes from. It's very you know, did it come from
Speaker 2: his uncle? He had friend, a close friend on the
Speaker 2: Halifax Municipal Police Force. He seemed to have some Halifax paraphernalia.
Speaker 7: And then in.
Speaker 2: Twenty eighteen twenty nineteen, I should say early twenty nineteen,
Speaker 2: for some reason, he started buying decommissioned police cars. And
Speaker 2: these are RCMP police cars that we sold at government auction,
Speaker 2: and you can usually get these cars for a reasonably
Speaker 2: good price, so they'd be stripped down and no identifying
Speaker 2: markings on them or anything like that. So he bought
Speaker 2: three of them in a very short period of time,
Speaker 2: sort of in the spring of twenty nineteen, moving into
Speaker 2: the summer of twenty nineteen. Then eventually he bought a
Speaker 2: fourth one that only had like probably under two thousand
Speaker 2: miles on it, and he paid like thirteen thousand and
Speaker 2: five hundred for it. It had like a little dent in
Speaker 2: the front there was in fact, it was written off,
Speaker 2: and a mechanic who looked at it, who I talked to,
Speaker 2: said there was hardly any damage. Even the winch old
Speaker 2: washer fluid container wasn't damaged, and he took her to
Speaker 2: In twenty nineteen, he started to build this car into
Speaker 2: a replica RCMP cruiser, complete with decals, light bar, pushbar,
Speaker 2: silent patrol, mum screen, radios, everything. And he told people
Speaker 2: that he was doing this as part of his own
Speaker 2: sort of honoring the RCMP and doing his own sort
Speaker 2: of you know, he's a elector. He pursuaded himself as
Speaker 2: a collector, right and that he told people that the
Speaker 2: RCMP approved of it as long as he only took
Speaker 2: it to shows and didn't drive it on the road.
Speaker 2: Some people say they complained to the RCMP about having
Speaker 2: him having this police card which he openly displayed on
Speaker 2: Portapit Beach Road, and there's some allegations that he actually
Speaker 2: took it and drove it into Truro and elsewhere, but
Speaker 2: the RCMP did nothing about that.
Speaker 5: Let's talk about this common law partner, Lisa Banfield. What
Speaker 5: is known about her? Tell us about Lisa Banfield and
Speaker 5: the relationship she had with Warman.
Speaker 2: Well, on the surface, if you pay attention to the
Speaker 2: you know, if you look at the news stories about her,
Speaker 2: she's never referred to by name until very recently. She's
Speaker 2: just the abused victim of domestic violence. Lisa Banfield fifty
Speaker 2: one years old at the time, part of a nineteen
Speaker 2: year common law relationship. Banfield Mett Wortman around two thousand
Speaker 2: and one after her first marriage broke up, and she
Speaker 2: lived with him from that time sort of on and off,
Speaker 2: and very little is very little known about her really,
Speaker 2: you know, like you try to do a biography about her,
Speaker 2: it's like trying to nail.
Speaker 7: Jello to a wall, right. But as I.
Speaker 2: Started to dig into her, I found that, you know,
Speaker 2: there's while she's portrayed to be this innocent victim of
Speaker 2: domestic violence, from the time she hooked up with Workmen,
Speaker 2: he was clearly involved in criminal activity. I mean in
Speaker 2: the neighborhood in Dartmouth where he had his denturous clinic
Speaker 2: on Prilan Boulevard. He coveted the properties around him because
Speaker 2: he fancied himself as a real estate developer, and the
Speaker 2: properties around him were kind of run down in derelict,
Speaker 2: and they all started having fires, like three or I
Speaker 2: think there's three or four fires over a three year
Speaker 2: period that basic especially destroys all the buildings. But there's
Speaker 2: of note is one of Wortman's good friends is an
Speaker 2: arsonist and a convicted arsonist that we know about, a
Speaker 2: convicted criminal with a very short of history. Then Banfield
Speaker 2: doesn't appear to notice any of these things going on.
Speaker 2: One of the things I noticed about I just recently
Speaker 2: wrote about Banfield that's not even in the book, is
Speaker 2: that I was looking at her. In the book, I
Speaker 2: have a description of her being involved in a small
Speaker 2: claims court case in twenty ten, which was very very curious,
Speaker 2: but I didn't have one of the important details that
Speaker 2: I only found out after the book was out, which
Speaker 2: will be in the subsequent version.
Speaker 7: Believe me.
Speaker 2: I started to look at this against I was learned
Speaker 2: that there was a second small claims court case about
Speaker 2: her that would be very revealing about her character. And
Speaker 2: in that case, back in nineteen ninety nine before she
Speaker 2: met Workman. It's kind of a crazy case. She went
Speaker 2: for hair extensions and she met you know, she went
Speaker 2: to this person who did that, got the hair extensions,
Speaker 2: was told not to wash her hair for a week,
Speaker 2: paid like four hundred and fifty dollars for the hair extensions.
Speaker 2: Came home and according to the sources, I had immediately
Speaker 2: washed her hair, used some conditioner, the extension started falling out.
Speaker 2: So she made up this story that the hairdresser had
Speaker 2: failed and took them to Small Flames Court. So essentially
Speaker 2: created a false story and got half her money back
Speaker 2: from this case. And while I was researching that, I
Speaker 2: came across the second the most revealing document in the
Speaker 2: second case, which was revealing in and of itself. After
Speaker 2: Wortman's gay lawyer friend Tom Evans died in two thousand
Speaker 2: and nine, Wortman got his properties in Monkdin, New Brunswick,
Speaker 2: and a bunch of cash, maybe three hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 2: and a gun or two, and sort of I think
Speaker 2: access to evans criminal client base. He bought Banfield four ranks,
Speaker 2: but he presented them as these ten thousand dollars diamond
Speaker 2: one of them is a ten thousand dollars diamond ring.
Speaker 2: But it was great at S thirteen S twelve S thirteen,
Speaker 2: which is not even really a grade. Some people think
Speaker 2: that S thirteen it's not really a quality diamond because
Speaker 2: it's so included or cloudy. So Lisa gets these diamonds
Speaker 2: and throws them into a dentrous machine with some cleaning
Speaker 2: solution and destroys them. So she goes to small Claims
Speaker 2: part to sue the company that was supposed to repair them.
Speaker 2: And long convoluted story. And what we found after I
Speaker 2: wrote the book is a receipt that she offered his
Speaker 2: evidence in court for the purchase of the diamond. I
Speaker 2: mean it came with the usual certificate of authenticity from
Speaker 2: someone in Belgium, which is essentially worthless. And she offered
Speaker 2: this receipt that Gabriel Wortman had purchased a diamond for
Speaker 2: ten thousand dollars from Tom Evans.
Speaker 7: The late lawyer.
Speaker 2: Right, but the receipt was signed and dated one hundred
Speaker 2: and thirteen days after Evans had died. The case was
Speaker 2: thrown out of court and she didn't get any money
Speaker 2: out of it, but she continued on with her life. So,
Speaker 2: you know, living with Wortman, there was a just a
Speaker 2: it seems like a crazy relationship. Worman would spend his
Speaker 2: Christmases together. She wasn't really there. She was with her family.
Speaker 2: The only people allowed at the Quartpec Beach Resident cottage
Speaker 2: was members of her family. She would not allow anyone
Speaker 2: else in there. And this all comes to a head
Speaker 2: basically on April eighteenth, twenty twenty.
Speaker 5: Let's talk about the neighbors to Gabriel Whartman. You say
Speaker 5: that the Blairs, two boys, and Great Blair and his
Speaker 5: wife Jane. Tell us about this family next door and
Speaker 5: any if at all relationship with Wharpman.
Speaker 2: Well, it's j Amy Blair and Greg Blair didn't live
Speaker 2: across from the cottage. They lived across from the warehouse,
Speaker 2: next to Lisa McCully, who bought the eventually bought the
Speaker 2: pavilion house that Glynn used to own, so she got
Speaker 2: it right. Wortman always wanted that house. The Blairs lived
Speaker 2: next door. They had long been going to Portapic Beach
Speaker 2: and staying by the water. There was like a little
Speaker 2: during the summer. People stayed in trailers down there. In
Speaker 2: one of the highlights of summers there were these giant
Speaker 2: brush bonfires and people would gather around and party and
Speaker 2: drink and ru and sometimes fight. The Blairs ran a bit.
Speaker 2: Greg Blair ran a family business, like a heating cooling
Speaker 2: type business in Truro. Jamie was his second wife and
Speaker 2: they had two young kids twelve and ten, two young boys.
Speaker 2: So they lived on Orchard Beach Drive. And then if
Speaker 2: you go up about another one hundred meters two hundred meters,
Speaker 2: the next house is the Glincheons, who had moved there
Speaker 2: about ten years earlier, and then Frank Luncheon was renovating
Speaker 2: the house and for ten years well his wife worked
Speaker 2: outside of Toronto and she would come down regularly. Then
Speaker 2: she finally just moved down there in the fall of
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen. So they are the neighbors immediately near the warehouse.
Speaker 5: Right, Let's talk about what and how you hear about
Speaker 5: this unfolding massacre while everybody's locked down in the Maritimes,
Speaker 5: like you say, April eighteenth, tell us what the official
Speaker 5: reports are from the RCMP, what they chose to do
Speaker 5: rather than you say about this alert that they could
Speaker 5: have done. Tell us what their response is and where
Speaker 5: are you and how do you hear about things unfolding.
Speaker 2: Well, I live in Chester, based in Nova Scotia, which
Speaker 2: is on the south shore, sort of sort of between roughly,
Speaker 2: it's in Mahone Bay, which is sort of between two
Speaker 2: iconic places in Nova Scotia, Peggy's Cove and Lunenburg. You know,
Speaker 2: our glass our business is in Chester, which is sort
Speaker 2: of considered the most New England town on the East
Speaker 2: coast of Canada. It was, you know, it was largely
Speaker 2: founded by American Americans fleeing the Revolution. And I got
Speaker 2: up that Sunday morning a little late, probably around nine
Speaker 2: a little after, and my wife, Sharon was down. She
Speaker 2: had been going on Facebook because we have family in
Speaker 2: the South Pacific, And eventually she gets a call from
Speaker 2: her aunt, her aged aunt in Ontario, saying are your
Speaker 2: doors locked?
Speaker 7: What's going on down there?
Speaker 2: And Sharon starts to look it up, and as I
Speaker 2: come downstairs, she says, you know, Aunt Sheila called and
Speaker 2: said gave us this warning to be careful. Then we
Speaker 2: looked on you know, this is nine o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 2: and she said, there's something like a guy, a policeman
Speaker 2: has gone kind of crazy and killed some people up
Speaker 2: in some place called Portapec.
Speaker 7: I didn't even know where it was.
Speaker 2: I've lived in Nova Scotia for twenty one years and
Speaker 2: I wasn't really aware of quarter a Pick and it's
Speaker 2: about two hours north of me, a two hour drive.
Speaker 7: And then I went online and.
Speaker 2: I started to look and what the RCMP had done
Speaker 2: was in the This event begins around ten o'clock at
Speaker 2: night on a Saturday night, is COVID lockdown. Bars aren't open,
Speaker 2: restaurants aren't open. After it begins around midnight, after midnight
Speaker 2: the RCMP started. I guess the first one is just
Speaker 2: before midnight, eleven thirty four, So the RCMP but a
Speaker 2: tweet saying RCMP responding to sounds of gunshots.
Speaker 7: In Porta Peck.
Speaker 2: So they're saying this at eleven thirty four, but it's
Speaker 2: an hour and a half after the event began, and
Speaker 2: more than an hour.
Speaker 7: After they were actually on SEATOW.
Speaker 2: And then throughout the night they issue sporadic a couple
Speaker 2: of sporadic tweets. This is real Nova Scotia. Nobody's on
Speaker 2: Twitter and tweets don't wait you up and tell you
Speaker 2: to lock your doors or whatever, because largely people don't
Speaker 2: lock your doors around here, and then by the morning
Speaker 2: people there are more tweets because suddenly, around nine thirty
Speaker 2: there's a fire forty minute drive away from Quartapeck, thirty
Speaker 2: five to forty minute drive away from porta Peck in
Speaker 2: college place called Wentworth, and then there's subsequently reports of
Speaker 2: car accidents, women shot, and then they keep putting out tweets,
Speaker 2: but they're always running behind the time and they're not
Speaker 2: accurate about what's happening. And this goes on. They never
Speaker 2: put out a public alert, although there's a public alert system,
Speaker 2: And when the episode finally ends around eleven thirty that morning,
Speaker 2: Workman had driven probably two hundred kilometers which is probably
Speaker 2: one hundred and forty miles and actually runs into a
Speaker 2: MOUNTI is killed just outside of Halifax Airport. So this
Speaker 2: is its craziness because at no point during this rampage
Speaker 2: in which twenty two people die nine on the Sunday
Speaker 2: the RCMP put up an effective roadblock. Do they get
Speaker 2: in front of them, do they swarm the scene. They're
Speaker 2: like entirely paralyzed and running around in circles like Keystone cops.
Speaker 2: And after Workman is killed, which we'll get to more
Speaker 2: detail later, they spend three hours saying that they have
Speaker 2: the suspect in custody. Wow, when everyone knows he's dead.
Speaker 2: He's lying there with his chin on the ground at
Speaker 2: the gas station and it's been photographed. So their behavior
Speaker 2: is absolutely curious, and that got me into the right away.
Speaker 2: The last part of this is my glass studio is
Speaker 2: about one hundred and twenty five feet from my house
Speaker 2: down the road, so I went up to feed the cats,
Speaker 2: and the first thing it happened was I was walking
Speaker 2: down the road when they said there's one tweet that
Speaker 2: said the suspect is driving a police car. When they
Speaker 2: had to finally admit he who's driving a police car
Speaker 2: in the morning, they said, we've just slurred.
Speaker 7: He's driving a.
Speaker 2: Police car and he could be anywhere in Nova Scotia.
Speaker 2: That's what it said on the he could be anywhere
Speaker 2: in Nova Scotia. Understand, Nova Scotia seems like a small place,
Speaker 2: but if you go from the east end of Nova Scota,
Speaker 2: the east side of the most eastern part of Nova
Speaker 2: Scotia and Cape Bretton Duns the Cabot Trail Sydney Nova
Speaker 2: Scotia down to the most westerly part, say Yarmouth, Barrington
Speaker 2: Bay of FUNDI that area is large enough to encompass
Speaker 2: all the cities and population in the United States from
Speaker 2: Boston to Virginia, including New York, Philadelphia, you know, Baltimore, Washington.
Speaker 2: That's how much territory there is there. And they say
Speaker 2: he could be anywhere in Nova Scotia. We have no
Speaker 2: idea where he is. I'm walking down to my workshop.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking what happens if.
Speaker 7: He comes up the road? What am I going to do?
Speaker 2: And that's what most Nova Scotia is felt at that time.
Speaker 2: I thought, if I see a police cart, do I
Speaker 2: run to the studio and lock the door? But then
Speaker 2: Sharon's gonna be alone in the house. Do I call
Speaker 2: her while she had time enough to respond and like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on. And that's the state
Speaker 2: of panic, the level of panic that existed everywhere because
Speaker 2: of the inability of the RCNP to confront the situation
Speaker 2: and control it.
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Speaker 2: The RCP response from the beginning. They had a couple
Speaker 2: of press conferences where the officers in charge were like
Speaker 2: red faced and dumbfounded.
Speaker 7: They had no idea what was going on.
Speaker 2: It was obvious, and yet the RCMP took the position
Speaker 2: that their response was perfect and they wouldn't do it
Speaker 2: any different, even the use of Twitter. The Chief Superintendent,
Speaker 2: Chris Leather said they would do the same thing again
Speaker 2: in spite of the evidence that was the wrong thing
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 7: The narrative that.
Speaker 2: The RCMP wanted to put out was that this was
Speaker 2: a domestic violence situation gone bad, that there had been
Speaker 2: a virtual party at the warehouse with a couple in
Speaker 2: Maine and one of the couples said, oh, it's your
Speaker 2: nineteenth anniversary next year twenty you should have a recommitment ceremony.
Speaker 2: And apparently this led to some kind of tiff between
Speaker 2: Banfield and workmen, and then eventually he ends up killing
Speaker 2: thirteen people in his neighborhood, burning down his cottage, burning
Speaker 2: down his warehouse and burning down the house of the
Speaker 2: galuncheons with them, and the house of John Zall and
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Joanne Thomas who lived down the road from him.
Speaker 7: And Zaul was an.
Speaker 2: American from Minnesota, I believe, who's moved to Quortapit for
Speaker 2: a peaceful lifetime. So yeah, all this crazy, they said,
Speaker 2: this craziness happened, and they were just befuddled by it.
Speaker 2: And I looked at it and I thought, oh, And
Speaker 2: another part of it was that Banfield had been handcuffed,
Speaker 2: beaten locked in the back of one of Wortman's decommissioned
Speaker 2: police cars, had escaped, crawled through the woods, and hid
Speaker 2: in the books for eight and a half hours, while
Speaker 2: wearing yoga pants and the spandex top, had on, no shoes,
Speaker 2: no gloves, no overcoat, nothing. In fact, she threw the
Speaker 2: overcoat the coach she had away, she said, and she
Speaker 2: survived for eight hours and didn't suffer any frostbite. So
Speaker 2: I thought, this story just doesn't make sense, you know,
Speaker 2: like there's something not right about this story. And I
Speaker 2: tried to help other journalists tell the story, because that
Speaker 2: was my first sort of plan. I know a lot
Speaker 2: about the RCMP. I've been out of this game for
Speaker 2: a long time. I'll help other journalists, and I got
Speaker 2: them to do a couple of stories, a couple of
Speaker 2: journalists to do a couple of stories. But it became
Speaker 2: obvious after about three weeks that the interest was fading
Speaker 2: away in there, moving on to other things, partly because
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, in his first or second
Speaker 2: comment on the matter, said that the name of Gabriel
Speaker 2: Wortman should not be repeated and because this would only
Speaker 2: sort of glorify his infamy. I think those are the
Speaker 2: exact words you used, and I thought, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you could say that, you know, cheap sentiment. You know,
Speaker 2: people go, yeah, raw, Rob is the prime minister. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: virtually every journalist in Canada took that message to heart,
Speaker 2: and you know, and sort of an exacerbating example of wokeism.
Speaker 2: Nobody would Dame Wortman. Nobody would Dame Banfield because she
Speaker 2: was considered a victim right off the bat. And I said, well,
Speaker 2: nobody would name any Nobody would name the officers who
Speaker 2: responded because they were traumatized. I said, this is like
Speaker 2: wocism and it's worst and if I try, you know.
Speaker 2: And eventually I got so frustrated I wrote an article
Speaker 2: just for myself, like one Monday, I wrote it. I said,
Speaker 2: I don't know we're going to publish it. So I
Speaker 2: try to get it published and no one would publish it.
Speaker 2: And eventually a reporter came along named Stephen Marr, working
Speaker 2: from Claims magazine, which is a national magazine in Canada,
Speaker 2: and he was doing a story and I said, uh.
Speaker 2: He said, what would you look at? And I said, well,
Speaker 2: I would look at Without getting into too much detail here,
Speaker 2: I says, I would look at the children who were
Speaker 2: trapped in the basement and leasa mccully's house for hours.
Speaker 2: He goes, well, where did you get that? I said,
Speaker 2: I read obituaries.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 2: One of the nice things about the Halifax Chronicle Herald
Speaker 2: is that it has the greatest obituaries in the world.
Speaker 2: Sometimes they're colorful and informative, and so I wrote this.
Speaker 2: He wrote an article and then he said, I said,
Speaker 2: I've written this article in this column, and he looked
Speaker 2: at it and he says he gave it to his
Speaker 2: editors and they ran it as a sidebar to his story.
Speaker 2: And in that column, I said, you know, every time
Speaker 2: the RCMP gets in trouble, you try to comment on it,
Speaker 2: and people say, this is not the time for recrimination.
Speaker 2: You know, wait till a later date. So I kept waiting,
Speaker 2: you know, for a couple of weeks, and eventually nobody
Speaker 2: wants to hear the story anymore because there's never a
Speaker 2: time for recrimination. That time never comes. So I said
Speaker 2: the last line of my article was now is the
Speaker 2: time for recriminations and basically declared that I was getting
Speaker 2: involved in the story. And that led to sources jumping
Speaker 2: out of the woodword literally saying, you're on the story.
Speaker 7: We want to talk to you.
Speaker 2: And so here I am a glass artist, Canada's only
Speaker 2: investigative glass artists, as it were, and people immediately recognized
Speaker 2: that I was a person to go to with information.
Speaker 5: Now you talk about people coming forward, what is the
Speaker 5: kind of information that you first have via this person
Speaker 5: coming forward?
Speaker 2: Well, the first person that really comes forward though, you know,
Speaker 2: the number of people came forward, But the one that
Speaker 2: really sort of caught my attention was one Saturday afternoon,
Speaker 2: Sharon and I were in the kitchen and her cell
Speaker 2: phone ring. You know, we have separate cell phones, we
Speaker 2: have landlines, you know, in our business, we have lots
Speaker 2: of phones. But her cell phone rang, and I.
Speaker 8: And then sharing answers, and it says it's for you,
Speaker 8: And I said, uh, hello, and he says hi, Paul,
Speaker 8: and I go yeah, and he says and I first,
Speaker 8: I says, why are you calling Sharon McNamara to get
Speaker 8: to me?
Speaker 2: He says her line is associated with you. I go
Speaker 2: right away, I know I'm talking to someone inside. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, because I'd used her line a couple of
Speaker 2: times when traveling where I saw Once I saw a
Speaker 2: drunk driver and I called nine one one. Another time
Speaker 2: when we're driving back from Philadelphia, and I was in
Speaker 2: New Brunswick and I saw ten o'clock at night at
Speaker 2: somebody huddled by the road. I thought they might be
Speaker 2: trying to commit suicide or something in a freezing night,
Speaker 2: and I called nine one one to get help for them. Anyway,
Speaker 2: this caller said laid me through what they knew was
Speaker 2: going on, and they said, what really happened is crazier
Speaker 2: than that. Twenty two people dying. What they're trying to do.
Speaker 2: And he said, and I'd asked questions of this person
Speaker 2: I'm calling it He and said, you know, like went
Speaker 2: through what I knew about the story. I said, well,
Speaker 2: I know Workman was smuggling cigarettes and drugs. No, no,
Speaker 2: it's worse than that. Well, what I went through all
Speaker 2: these various scenarios, and the sour said, they're destroying evidence
Speaker 2: and manipulating evidence now to cover up what.
Speaker 7: They're doing what they did.
Speaker 2: And I thought, well, what could it possibly be? And
Speaker 2: then I talked to Steven mor about it, and he said, well,
Speaker 2: maybe someone's a confidential police informant in this. He says,
Speaker 2: that sort of fits. We don't know that, but we
Speaker 2: I sort of use that sort of as a way
Speaker 2: of looking at this story of theory that I could
Speaker 2: knock down. Okay, let's use this as an operating theory
Speaker 2: that Workman or someone close to him has a has
Speaker 2: a relationship, a secret relationship with the police, either as
Speaker 2: a confidential informant or as a police agent, or something
Speaker 2: like that that sort of explains a lot of things,
Speaker 2: including the replica police card, because one of the things
Speaker 2: about biker gangs, and especially biker gangs, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of there's like fourteen different biker clubs in Nova Scotia,
Speaker 2: partly as a testimony to the five thousand or three thousand,
Speaker 2: five hundred kilometers of coastline, and it's a place for smuggling,
Speaker 2: always has been, so bikers like this place. And one
Speaker 2: of the things bikers did over the years in Toronto,
Speaker 2: like several years ago, was pretend to be policemen well
Speaker 2: a moving drugs around, but also by robbing other drug
Speaker 2: dealers and things like that. And I thought, well, this
Speaker 2: is not as far fetched as it seems. So I
Speaker 2: set out trying to disprove that he or someone close
Speaker 2: to him was an agent. And that was the first
Speaker 2: step in my thinking.
Speaker 5: Okay, so how do you try to eliminate this as
Speaker 5: a as an idea, how do you eliminate the.
Speaker 2: Well, it's difficult because under the protocols policing protocols both
Speaker 2: of all police forces, confidential informants are never identified. In Canada,
Speaker 2: the RCMPS. We obtained the RCMP's undercover manual Code Undercover Manual,
Speaker 2: and in it it describes that the police can lie
Speaker 2: about the existence or identity of an RCMP officer that
Speaker 2: can never or an undercover agent can never reveal it
Speaker 2: except when asked by a judge in a properly functioning court.
Speaker 2: So it's not going to be easy to prove this.
Speaker 2: But one of the things that stood out to me
Speaker 2: was mar had heard that Workman had taken out, had
Speaker 2: received a million dollars delivered by a brig truck to
Speaker 2: his dentist office on Portland Street and Dartmouth in the
Speaker 2: days before April eighteen. That I heard from an individual source,
Speaker 2: my own individual source separate that it was five hundred
Speaker 2: thousand dollars and was delivered to Workman at his office
Speaker 2: by brains. I thought, this is crazy, Like how would
Speaker 2: we even know this, that there's these transactions going on?
Speaker 7: Like how can that happen? Right?
Speaker 2: Like who's saying this is?
Speaker 7: This is insane.
Speaker 2: So I couldn't get anything into mainstream newspapers because they
Speaker 2: were all, you know, they're not going to name Worman
Speaker 2: by name, they're not going to name Banfield, they're not
Speaker 2: going to talk about anything. They saw me as a
Speaker 2: conspiracy theorist, because that's what the RCMP says about me,
Speaker 2: because although everything I write is factual. So I had
Speaker 2: to figure out another way to tell the story. So
Speaker 2: what's the best way to reach everyday people. Get yourself
Speaker 2: on talk radio. So I got myself on the Rick
Speaker 2: Howse show and sort of convinced Brick that I had
Speaker 2: interesting things to say. Well, I wrote some pieces for
Speaker 2: an online newspaper, the Hell Fact Examiner, so I figured
Speaker 2: it was a limited audience, but as long as I
Speaker 2: get stuff published that I have something to talk about.
Speaker 2: So I got on Rick how and one day I said,
Speaker 2: Torec how on the show, like I'd end every little
Speaker 2: segment with some sort of little missive like, is there
Speaker 2: anyone out there who can help me with this? Or
Speaker 2: you know, the Hell's Angels may be involved in this.
Speaker 2: You know, back in the days, the Hell's Angels used
Speaker 2: to have a public relations spokesman in Alberta, unbelievable as
Speaker 2: it sounds, And I said, do they have anyone like
Speaker 2: that in Nova Scotia? Can you know the Hell's Angels
Speaker 2: contact me? I have some questions for them. And I
Speaker 2: remember coming out of that interview and out of my
Speaker 2: office and Sharon was in the kitchen monitoring it because
Speaker 2: it was on tape delay and Insurance says. I come
Speaker 2: out and Shares says, did you just invite the Hell's
Speaker 2: agels to our house?
Speaker 7: I go, yeah, It's like I have.
Speaker 2: No problem with them. I've dealt with bikers all my life.
Speaker 2: You know, it's my role as a journalist. You know
Speaker 2: that I'm not hurting their business. I've just got some
Speaker 2: questions anyway. One of the questions I asked was, we
Speaker 2: have this story that workman got a million dollars or
Speaker 2: five hundred thousand dollars delivered by breaks to his office.
Speaker 2: Does anyone out there know about this?
Speaker 7: Anyone else? Does anyone else have any details? And I no.
Speaker 2: Sooner got off the phone and I got a call
Speaker 2: from someone and saying it was four hundred and seventy
Speaker 2: five thousand, and I said, well, how do you know that?
Speaker 2: He says, I have a video of him picking it
Speaker 2: up at the Brinks office in Dartmouth.
Speaker 7: You have the video, It's on video. He goes yeah.
Speaker 2: And then we gave this long that I described this
Speaker 2: long involved process of getting the video, and so we
Speaker 2: do release the video of this sensational video of we're
Speaker 2: picking up the four hundred and seventy five thousand in
Speaker 2: one of his decommissioned police cars. Well, the RCMP immediately says,
Speaker 2: comes out and says, oh, that was just him clearing
Speaker 2: out his bank accounts.
Speaker 7: And then we had.
Speaker 2: This former you know the you know, FBI, Counterintelligence and
Speaker 2: CIA are in the States. Well, in Canada, CEASES, the
Speaker 2: Canadian Security Intelligence Service, which is a civilian investigative body
Speaker 2: for counterintelligence. A next CEASES agent calls McClane's magazines. Oh no, no,
Speaker 2: that's just a normal process. A lot of times people
Speaker 2: want to take money out, they just go to Brinks
Speaker 2: directly and get the money. And I talked to people
Speaker 2: from Branks, and I can't find anyone who's ever done.
Speaker 2: Eventually I find another former c RCMP informat who says,
Speaker 2: that's exactly how we do it. He says, I can't
Speaker 2: give you any more than I did it twice once
Speaker 2: at a BRIKS location in one city and another one
Speaker 2: that brings location in the other city. And there were significant,
Speaker 2: sort of six figure amounts that he took out his
Speaker 2: flash bunny for bike your draw biker.
Speaker 7: Activities or stuff.
Speaker 2: So it is a process that sort of raises the
Speaker 2: question about workman's finances and did he have a relationship
Speaker 2: with the police. Is it conclusive? Hell no, but it
Speaker 2: raises suspicions. And when you get the government and the
Speaker 2: RCMP saying, oh, it's just a normal thing, it's not
Speaker 2: a normal thing. And then of course I immediately had
Speaker 2: my distant cousins in the mainstream media saying that, oh,
Speaker 2: here he is conspiracy theorist.
Speaker 7: Again.
Speaker 2: I had the bloody tapes. What is the conspiracy theory here?
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, and I have the manual saying how
Speaker 2: it works. So this has always been in the background
Speaker 2: of the mainstream media is sort of shooting down anything
Speaker 2: I've done because they say, oh, yeah, you're just digging
Speaker 2: around for conspiracies, and so that's their first instinct just
Speaker 2: to shoot me, you know, shoot the messenger.
Speaker 7: But I just kept moving on.
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Speaker 5: you in your investigation are finding things that are surprising
Speaker 5: to you and then given your experience investigating the RCMP,
Speaker 5: not so surprising. But what we haven't talked about is
Speaker 5: what officially and why officially the RCMP wanted to or
Speaker 5: were behind what you say when they're in their tweets
Speaker 5: in the reports. Why would they be free and loose
Speaker 5: with the facts with this case and what why would
Speaker 5: they do that? What was the advantage of them having
Speaker 5: their own narrative contrary to what you discovered.
Speaker 2: Well, I think that putting it in domess. To me,
Speaker 2: it was like a scenario, a narrative that was written
Speaker 2: on the back of a cigarette package. Okay, we're going
Speaker 2: to say Lisa Banfield was a victim of domestic violence
Speaker 2: and this is a thing that got out of control,
Speaker 2: and he was a clever perpetrator who basically out foxed
Speaker 2: us and out maneuvered us.
Speaker 7: And it's unfortunate, but we got up at the end
Speaker 7: of the day. We're all heroes.
Speaker 2: That's an easy story to sell.
Speaker 7: But what it and.
Speaker 2: People bought it for a while, but then you start
Speaker 2: to break it down into its components and you start
Speaker 2: to see that, well, there's not that many roads. Look
Speaker 2: on a map for Porta pick Nova, Scotia. Not that
Speaker 2: many roads out of there in the middle of the night.
Speaker 2: They didn't block anything off. They didn't have the proper equipment.
Speaker 7: They've been ordered.
Speaker 2: After previous bounties were killed in two thousand and five,
Speaker 2: two thousand and six in Spiritwood, Alberta in Saskatchewan four
Speaker 2: and mare Thorpe, Alberta three in Monkedin in twenty fourteen,
Speaker 2: they were ordered to improve and upgrade alder equipment. They
Speaker 2: never did that. They were ordered fifteen years ago that
Speaker 2: members on the road should have a night vision equipment
Speaker 2: didn't have that. Their command structure was completely filed up.
Speaker 2: Everything about them was filed up. But it raised the
Speaker 2: question of other questions, Like early on in the story,
Speaker 2: it was disclosed that back in twenty eleven ers a
Speaker 2: workman had threatened to kill a policeman. That file had
Speaker 2: disappeared from their files. They never even followed up on it,
Speaker 2: which raised the question again did Wortman have a special
Speaker 2: relationship with the RCMP, either directly or because his relatives
Speaker 2: were our CNP members, Like what was going on? Did
Speaker 2: the RCNP know him? There's evidence that he partied with
Speaker 2: RCNP members, not only at a cottages, but there were
Speaker 2: some parties in Portapic that might best be described as
Speaker 2: swinger parties that attracted sort of a mix of criminals
Speaker 2: and police and soldiers and stuff like that. So there's
Speaker 2: a lot of dirt going on here behind the scenes.
Speaker 7: And if he was.
Speaker 2: In the employee or someone close to him was in
Speaker 2: the employee of the RCMP, what were they doing. And
Speaker 2: I began to look at well, if he was an informant,
Speaker 2: well who was he informing on? And it became clear
Speaker 2: to me. It wasn't so much Nova Scotia. But next
Speaker 2: story in New Brunswick directly has a land border with
Speaker 2: Maine where a lot of criminal activity goes on. And
Speaker 2: if you look at what was going on in New
Speaker 2: Brunswig ten days before this, charges were laid against two
Speaker 2: Hells Angels and two Hells Angels support members support club
Speaker 2: members as the end of a large investigation that had
Speaker 2: been going on targeting two members of the Hell's Angels nomads,
Speaker 2: Robin Moulton and and Emery Pitt Martin. Now that are
Speaker 2: these related? Is this what happened? The operation came down,
Speaker 2: and then when the charges were laid, I got the
Speaker 2: search warrants. And in the search warrants, one of the
Speaker 2: things that was used to get these guys was a
Speaker 2: press for pressing drugs and things like that. Sure, and
Speaker 2: in it a camera was installed. Presses like that are
Speaker 2: the kind of things workmen could.
Speaker 7: Buy through his d interest business.
Speaker 2: So I raised this issue, but it's not been confirmed.
Speaker 7: We don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm just looking around like I'm trying to explain this.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure where I left off there where I
Speaker 2: was supposed to go.
Speaker 5: But what you're talking about, is that what you found
Speaker 5: was that the RCMP had a narrative also for why
Speaker 5: buildings were burnt down, certain buildings were burnt down and
Speaker 5: others weren't, and why he was able to go to
Speaker 5: certain places and why certain people were targeted. That you
Speaker 5: say was very frustrating because it didn't make a lot
Speaker 5: of sense.
Speaker 2: Well, it didn't make sense because they've never really established
Speaker 2: a timeline who was killed first, who you know, Like
Speaker 2: one of the things they said at the beginning was
Speaker 2: Wortman left by ten thirty five pm by the road,
Speaker 2: the Blueberry Patch Road, which is if you look on
Speaker 2: a map, you'll see quortera pit beach road. To the
Speaker 2: east is Orchard Beach Drive. Then there's a cresset called
Speaker 2: Quortapic Crescent, and just to the east of that, beyond
Speaker 2: the tree line, there's a big open field of blueberries,
Speaker 2: and there's a path that runs up along the tree
Speaker 2: line up to a ruddy old loop called Brown Loop
Speaker 2: that exits onto highway to a two lane old highway
Speaker 2: that you can get out of there. They said he
Speaker 2: went up there at ten thirty five. That's the original story.
Speaker 2: And then they when I questioned that they said, well,
Speaker 2: he left at ten forty five. But then I found
Speaker 2: a witness, Dean Dillman, who was at the top of
Speaker 2: Brown Loop, at the top of the Bluberry Path at
Speaker 2: ten thirty eighties.
Speaker 7: That he didn't come this way.
Speaker 2: I was there and we could prove he was there.
Speaker 2: So then they fudged how he got away and they
Speaker 2: couldn't really make the timeline fit. And then recently we
Speaker 2: found out that an innocent visitor to the community, Corey Ellison,
Speaker 2: who saw the fire where his father's place is about
Speaker 2: three hundred yards south of the warehouse. He saw the flames,
Speaker 2: him and his brother, he walked up the road and
Speaker 2: he was we now know from his phone records he
Speaker 2: was taking pictures in his phone. He was taking pictures
Speaker 2: at ten forty when he was shot. Well, then that
Speaker 2: raised questions of who shot Corey Ellison because the RCNPS
Speaker 2: first had he left at ten thirty five, They say
Speaker 2: were they first got there at ten twenty six, They
Speaker 2: made this long, cecuitous route and then they found Corey
Speaker 2: Ellison's body at ten forty nine, and that's the story
Speaker 2: they're sticking to. But then Corey Elison's brother, Clinton Ellison said,
Speaker 2: I was walking up the road to find my brother,
Speaker 2: and these people with flashlights chased me, and then I
Speaker 2: had to go hide in the woods. And then he
Speaker 2: called his father, and his father called nine one one
Speaker 2: at ten fifty nine, So that it seems that they're
Speaker 2: all there, including the police, and it raises the question
Speaker 2: did the police accidentally shoot Corey Ellison? So that becomes
Speaker 2: part of it. And right across the street is least
Speaker 2: of Becully's body by the fence. Well when did she die?
Speaker 2: Was she at the beginning, at the end, did she
Speaker 2: die around the time Corey Ellison died. It's not really clear.
Speaker 2: And the forensic evidence that's now being submitted to the
Speaker 2: Mascosi Commission is sort of hit and miss. It's quite
Speaker 2: clear that the RCMP I didn't do much in the
Speaker 2: work of era of forensics on anyone or gunshot residue
Speaker 2: or things you would expect, which is very suspicious and
Speaker 2: adds to the suspicion.
Speaker 7: So we don't know what happened.
Speaker 2: What the timeline was is a shifting timeline, and it
Speaker 2: seems clear that workman in his replica police car may
Speaker 2: have just driven past all the other RCMP cars that
Speaker 2: were there, who were supposed to be on point duty
Speaker 2: and just left the scene, driving past the RCMP people
Speaker 2: who were responding. So that's part of the embarrassment and
Speaker 2: what the RCNP wants to cover.
Speaker 7: So you've got all of.
Speaker 2: These elements that he had, the police cars that he committed,
Speaker 2: the murders that he did, all of these things that
Speaker 2: there may be an association with the mound, a hidden
Speaker 2: association that they're hiding, that they deny or they're hiding,
Speaker 2: but nothing is conclusive. It's just this maw of craziness
Speaker 2: trying to figure out this story.
Speaker 5: I want to thank you very much for coming on
Speaker 5: and talking about these twenty two murders, investigating the massacres,
Speaker 5: cover up and obstacles to justice in Nova Scotia. And
Speaker 5: as I mentioned earlier, this is going to be We're
Speaker 5: going to continue this discussion next week because what we
Speaker 5: haven't gone through is the heartbreaking and fascinating, an incredible
Speaker 5: account of all the people that he murdered, the twenty
Speaker 5: two murders, the police officer that was killed unsuspecting, the
Speaker 5: police officer that was wounded, but many of what you mentioned,
Speaker 5: Corey Ellison, Good Samaritans, innocent bystanders, people that were uninformed,
Speaker 5: misinformed that ended up casualties in this incredible as you talk, massacres.
Speaker 5: So thank you so much, Paul Plango for twenty two
Speaker 5: murders investigating the massacres cover up and obstacles to justice
Speaker 5: in Nova Scotia and we will continue next week. Thank
Speaker 5: you so much, Paul Plango.
Speaker 7: Thank you,