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<v Speaker 1>Big Food and Beyond.

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<v Speaker 2>With Cliff and Bobo.

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<v Speaker 3>These gays a favorites, so like say subscribe and rade it, I'm.

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<v Speaker 4>Stuck and me greatest on Quesh today and listening watching

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<v Speaker 4>lim always.

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<v Speaker 2>Keep its watching.

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<v Speaker 5>And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay.

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<v Speaker 2>Our guest is a big footer for many, many years.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that I've interacted with this gentleman a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of times before, and I think I've been in the field,

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<v Speaker 2>but I can't. I don't know. I've been in the

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<v Speaker 2>field with so many people. Now I'm gonna have to

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<v Speaker 2>ask this gentleman here, Chris Spencer, if I've been in

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<v Speaker 2>the field with them, because I don't even remember. That's

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<v Speaker 2>how my life is, and honestly, that's more like how

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<v Speaker 2>my memory is more than my life. My memory is

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<v Speaker 2>pretty shoddy nowadays, which is why I try to write

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<v Speaker 2>everything down. But Chris Spencer has been a big footer

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<v Speaker 2>for a long time. He actually took a class from

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<v Speaker 2>Grover Krantz at W I want to ask him about that.

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<v Speaker 2>And he is a very active field guy. He's totally

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<v Speaker 2>knee deep into or actually necty probably into field vocalizations

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<v Speaker 2>and more. One of the key members of the Olympic Project,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm just so pleased to be able to talk

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<v Speaker 2>to him. Thanks so much for quan on Bigfoot and beyond.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks Cliff. I actually I totally understand the memory thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I'm fried all the time. My mind's

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<v Speaker 1>going all over the place. So we haven't been in

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<v Speaker 1>the field together, but we've run into each other at

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<v Speaker 1>conferences and stuff a number of times, and we have

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<v Speaker 1>mutual friends.

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<v Speaker 2>So see, I thought I ran into you at one

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<v Speaker 2>of the Olympic Project gatherings. Although I haven't been on

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<v Speaker 2>one of those for a couple of years now, I

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<v Speaker 2>thought that you were around on one of those. But again,

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<v Speaker 2>I meet so many people. I just have to and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not really good at people, you know, in a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of ways, like trying to keep everybody straight, and

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<v Speaker 2>names are like water in my hand that they just

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<v Speaker 2>go straight through. But I always recognize a face, and

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<v Speaker 2>I reckon, I know your face, so I just didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know where I knew it from.

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<v Speaker 1>Is all, no worries, man, I'm not a people person myself.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of in my own zone most of the time.

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<v Speaker 2>So well, I think that that's one of the characteristics

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<v Speaker 2>very often of a lot of field people feel like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, people who like to go out into the

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<v Speaker 2>woods and put their boots on the ground, and we

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<v Speaker 2>don't do that because we're we like to hang out

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<v Speaker 2>with people. Generally, we do that because we like the

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<v Speaker 2>solitude of the woods.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly exactly. I just got back from the woods myself.

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<v Speaker 2>So, oh, you were saying that on the on the

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<v Speaker 2>pre show there. Before we get into your current field

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<v Speaker 2>work and what your projects are, can we do a

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<v Speaker 2>little introductory session for the people listening, because they may

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<v Speaker 2>or may not know you. You're one of these people

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<v Speaker 2>that I have great respect for. I hear a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of good things about you from other people that I

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<v Speaker 2>also respect in the field. And one of the characteristics

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<v Speaker 2>of the people I respect the most is that they're

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<v Speaker 2>not out there all the time putting you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>Bobo and I. That's kind of how we make a living,

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<v Speaker 2>putting our faces out in front of everybody. But you're

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<v Speaker 2>not one of those people. You're out there kind of

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<v Speaker 2>working quietly in the woods, behind the scenes, in a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of places, a lot of situations, and I find

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<v Speaker 2>that very very respectable. Of course, so I imagine most

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<v Speaker 2>of our audience have not hasn't really heard of you

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<v Speaker 2>too much either, So tell us a little bit about

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<v Speaker 2>your background. I know you went to WSU and you

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<v Speaker 2>met doctor Krantz apparently, was that where the interest was

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<v Speaker 2>born or were you interested before that?

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<v Speaker 1>Like most people, you know, I grew up in the seventies,

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<v Speaker 1>so I saw in search of and that was where

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<v Speaker 1>the interest probably started. But seriously thinking about it, didn't

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<v Speaker 1>occur until I started college and had Grover for anthropology

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<v Speaker 1>one oh one. Up to that point, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>was interested because I was I was always into dinosaur's history,

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<v Speaker 1>the evolution of human beings. That's always fascinated me. And

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<v Speaker 1>growing up, my parents actually had a cabin in Packwood, Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>and me and my dad, when I was probably six

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<v Speaker 1>or seven, did find some tracks. And I don't remember

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<v Speaker 1>much about the tracks. I do remember my dad's reaction

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, and I just remember his eyes kind

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<v Speaker 1>of bulging out of his head and telling me to

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<v Speaker 1>get in the truck. And that was my first I

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<v Speaker 1>guess sasquatch experience. If that was indeed sasquatch tracks we found,

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<v Speaker 1>all I know is it creaked my dad out. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>going into the nineties, I started college in ninety one

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<v Speaker 1>and then I had Grover for anthropology one O one

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<v Speaker 1>the spring of ninety two. I had no idea he

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<v Speaker 1>was connected to the Bigfoot phenomena at all until one

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<v Speaker 1>day I walked into the lecture hall and on his

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<v Speaker 1>table was the reconstructed skull of Gigantopithecus and a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of tracks. And to this day I wish I had

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<v Speaker 1>had a tape recorder. I have the note somewhere in

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<v Speaker 1>a box in my garage. But he basically covered the

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<v Speaker 1>whole topic. I guess he would devote one lecture a

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<v Speaker 1>semester to the topic of sasquatch. And up until that time,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I was eighteen, just turned eighteen. Really, sasquatch

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't on my mind at that age, and my dad

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<v Speaker 1>had always said that Patterson Gimblin film was just a

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<v Speaker 1>guy in a suit. So I just kind of followed

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<v Speaker 1>along with what my dad's thoughts were until that class.

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<v Speaker 1>I can say when I left that lecture, I absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>believed that was a real animal, and I had a

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<v Speaker 1>totally different opinion of the subject. And I remember thinking

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, like this is crazy. This is an

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<v Speaker 1>actual scientist and he believes this is a real animal.

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<v Speaker 1>That held a lot of weight for me, and he did.

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<v Speaker 1>He actually had a copy of the Parison Gimblin film

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<v Speaker 1>which he showed us over a film projector, and he

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<v Speaker 1>went over all the reasons why he felt it was

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<v Speaker 1>a real animal and just kind of opened my eyes

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<v Speaker 1>to what was actually in the film. Of course, the

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<v Speaker 1>quality of the film he showed us was better than

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<v Speaker 1>what I ever saw on TV. So other than you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember exact details, but that's that's where kind

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<v Speaker 1>of my passion for the subject started. I didn't really

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<v Speaker 1>dive into actual field research or anything like that after that,

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<v Speaker 1>But after that class, that's when I pretty much made

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<v Speaker 1>up my mind in my head is there is something

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<v Speaker 1>to this and this is a real animal.

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<v Speaker 2>What was the first time that you decided to do

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<v Speaker 2>This is a weird way to say, up, but do

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<v Speaker 2>something about that. You know that it's kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>weird way to frame that question. But I think you

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<v Speaker 2>hear the song I'm singing, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, so you know after that, Yeah, I'd gotten

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<v Speaker 1>a copy of his book Bigfootprints.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh did you get him to sign it? By the way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes I did.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's so cool. Good for you, man.

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<v Speaker 1>I also bought a copy of I Think that he

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<v Speaker 1>calls it dermals Cast. He talks about it in that book.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a copy of that I bought from him.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't get him to sign that because I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>think of it, but I have a Yeah, I have

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<v Speaker 1>a copy of the dermals Cast from him, which is cool.

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<v Speaker 1>But after that, you know, life went on, and it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't until twenty thirteen. You know, I followed this subject

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<v Speaker 1>as much as anyone with watching documentaries and TV shows

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<v Speaker 1>about it. In twenty thirteen, though, me and my son

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<v Speaker 1>had an experience. My son was thirteen. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>spring break and I bought him a Walmart two man

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<v Speaker 1>tent and he really wanted to use it. And it

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<v Speaker 1>was raining here. I'm in western Washington. It was raining

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<v Speaker 1>quite a bit. So I told him, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll jump on fourteen. We'll head east. And we came

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<v Speaker 1>to Skamania count of Campground, which is right on the

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<v Speaker 1>Columbia River, just past the wind River and it's only

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<v Speaker 1>you know, four or five acres maybe, and it's just wooded,

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<v Speaker 1>and you have Highway fourteen on one side of it.

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<v Speaker 1>You have the river on the other side of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think there's a baseball field there. But we

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<v Speaker 1>pulled into that campground and this was April fifth. The

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<v Speaker 1>campground had opened April first, and that year was a

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<v Speaker 1>really cold year, so I know the snow levels were

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<v Speaker 1>still down around two thousand feet and there were elk

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<v Speaker 1>down at lower levels. And so we went into this

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<v Speaker 1>campground and we were the only people there. I'm pretty

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<v Speaker 1>sure we were the first people there. And it was

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<v Speaker 1>the campground itself around it, most of the woods was

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<v Speaker 1>still pretty thick with just brushing vine maple. I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's like salmon berry vines growing around. And anyways, we

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<v Speaker 1>set up camp and we did a little walk around

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<v Speaker 1>and we actually found I have a picture. I actually

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<v Speaker 1>have it. I found a twist broken vine maple that

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<v Speaker 1>had been pushed behind a tree, and under beneath it

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<v Speaker 1>there was a there was like an eighteen by nine

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<v Speaker 1>inch impression in the pine needles and you could see

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<v Speaker 1>toes in It was pretty fresh. Actually have pictures of

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<v Speaker 1>it somewhere. But we kind of was like, wow, this

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<v Speaker 1>is really cool. Went off about our business. We went fishing,

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<v Speaker 1>and we came back and it started kind of sprinkling.

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<v Speaker 1>And that cheap, little two man tent didn't have a

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<v Speaker 1>rain fly. So I had tarps in my jeep and

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<v Speaker 1>I tied two small tarps over the top of it

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<v Speaker 1>with paracord. We went to bed, and I woke up,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, sometime after midnight hearing movement in the campground,

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<v Speaker 1>and my first thought was elk. And just before I

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<v Speaker 1>fell asleep, something grabbed those tarps and pulled on those tarps,

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<v Speaker 1>and I sat up and I cussed, and it woke

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<v Speaker 1>my son up, and I just told me it's all right,

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<v Speaker 1>go back to sleep, and I'd laid back down. I

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of thinking in my head. I'm like, did

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<v Speaker 1>I hear what I really heard? And you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>thought of that that track, we actually found several impressions

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<v Speaker 1>that day. The thought of those impressions and that limb

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<v Speaker 1>twist I were in my head and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>am I freaking myself out or something? And just as

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<v Speaker 1>I was talking myself out of what I heard, it

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<v Speaker 1>happened again, and that time I hit the panic button

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<v Speaker 1>on my jeep and it lights flashed, horn honked, and anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't sleep the rest of the night. I heard

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<v Speaker 1>movement all night around around us, and I want to

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<v Speaker 1>say it was around four am. I heard a knock

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<v Speaker 1>and then everything kind of went quiet. I got up

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<v Speaker 1>at that Before that I couldn't get out of ten.

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<v Speaker 1>I was so scared. I got up, built up a fire,

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<v Speaker 1>waited for my son to get up, and when he

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<v Speaker 1>got out of the ten, I asked him, what did

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<v Speaker 1>you hear last night? And he goes, I heard you cussing,

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<v Speaker 1>and I heard the jeep horns and lights go off,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's it. And then I told him what I heard,

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<v Speaker 1>and he said, I don't want to stay here again tonight, Dad,

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, we're not, and we packed up and left.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. Yeah, that whole area right right at the wind

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<v Speaker 2>River Mouth area, I'm assuming that's where it was, is

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<v Speaker 2>very very good. I mean, everywhere from Beacon Rock has

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<v Speaker 2>just a ton of stuff At Beacon Rock. I've personally

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<v Speaker 2>investigated two or three sidings in and around the town

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<v Speaker 2>of Stevenson, which is right there. Of course, Dog Mountain

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<v Speaker 2>is over that general direction. I've got a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>things off of Dog Mountain as well, And of course

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<v Speaker 2>I personally investigated footprints and sidings and a whole lot

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<v Speaker 2>of historical stuff up the wind River Highway as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, and you know the Scamania County law that

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<v Speaker 2>was passed in what seventy or seventy one or something,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe sixty nine, were right in there on April Fool's Day,

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<v Speaker 2>which is next week's anniversaries next week actually before we're

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<v Speaker 2>recording this. It's it followed a bunch of stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>happened up kind of near Panther Creek Campground and Bear

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<v Speaker 2>Creek actually specifically, which included sheriffs and whatever going up

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<v Speaker 2>and casting footprints and man that Yeah, that area is

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<v Speaker 2>just thick with Bigfoot history. So I'm not very surprised

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<v Speaker 2>at all, no matter how close you were to the

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen that something may have happened that night.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I actually I went back there the next year

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<v Speaker 1>and they'd actually cleaned up the campground, so all that

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<v Speaker 1>thicker cover that was in the trees around the campground

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<v Speaker 1>was cleaned up and you could see forever, so it

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<v Speaker 1>had changed. I haven't been there in a long time,

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<v Speaker 1>but I spent most of twenty fourteen just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>looking at reports on the BF site and running around

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<v Speaker 1>that area down there because of what had happened. And

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<v Speaker 1>it just dawned on me that, you know, I need

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<v Speaker 1>to go somewhere where there's where there's food. And I

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<v Speaker 1>saw a report David Ellis had taken in two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and nine up by Mount Saint Helens, and I actually

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<v Speaker 1>ended up going up there and starting to throw out

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<v Speaker 1>audio recorders, maybe a mile from where that report was taken,

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<v Speaker 1>and sure enough, I actually recorded some suspicious stuff and

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<v Speaker 1>started talking to David a lot about it, and that

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<v Speaker 1>was an area that I investigated un till about twenty nineteen,

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<v Speaker 1>and since then I've been mainly working with the Olympic Project,

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<v Speaker 1>basically with Shane up in the Nest area.

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<v Speaker 2>Gotcha, So how far is it to the general air?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, and I know where the nest is, but

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<v Speaker 2>nobody else says and people shouldn't know. So it takes

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<v Speaker 2>you what about from there? Probably about two hours for

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<v Speaker 2>you hour two and a half hours.

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<v Speaker 1>Two and a half hours, about two and a half hours.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not that bad of a john. Okay, that's good.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's where that's your main site of research these days.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's about I'll have time for right now. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I get together with other researchers from other groups, both

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<v Speaker 1>to me, Shane and and Todd. We go, we go

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<v Speaker 1>meet up with other people in other areas and do

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<v Speaker 1>some campouts every year, but mainly at least once a

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<v Speaker 1>month as much as we can. We're kind of up

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<v Speaker 1>in the Nest area. So that's honestly, you know. I

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of those things is I've been monitoring that

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<v Speaker 1>area with long term audio for two years now, and

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<v Speaker 1>I know they're a sasquatch there, so I really don't

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<v Speaker 1>have any reason to go somewhere else, and I really

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<v Speaker 1>want to learn more about that area, and it just

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<v Speaker 1>that's where most of my attention is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, there's only so many hours in the day,

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<v Speaker 2>and it sounds that you have a family and all

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<v Speaker 2>that sort of stuff too. Yeah, you have to make

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<v Speaker 2>a use what time you have, you know. Yep, very good,

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<v Speaker 2>So you just said it. But what year did you

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<v Speaker 2>start getting involved with the Olympic project and the nest

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<v Speaker 2>site specifically?

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty seventeen, Me and Shane had been going out

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<v Speaker 1>camping in other areas and we'd become friends. In twenty seventeen,

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<v Speaker 1>he actually invited me into the nest area, and I

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<v Speaker 1>want to say it was twenty actually twenty twenty right

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<v Speaker 1>after him, he and Todd walked in on a nest

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<v Speaker 1>being built. He asked me to come out and start

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<v Speaker 1>putting some of my long, long term audio recorders out there.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the first audio recorder I put out there

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<v Speaker 1>was right after that. I want to say it was

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<v Speaker 1>three weeks after they walked in on that nest bill

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<v Speaker 1>and then in twenty twenty one, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>you're familiar with Wes Liam from Squat from Metrics, He's

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<v Speaker 1>his thing is statistical analysis. And me and him were

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<v Speaker 1>talking and he's like, wouldn't it be cool to log

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<v Speaker 1>all the sounds from dust till dawn for as many

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<v Speaker 1>nights as we could get in there? And I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>let's do it. So I actually invested some money into

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<v Speaker 1>some SM four recorders, which is put out by Wildlife Bioacoustics.

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<v Speaker 1>These are recorders that actual scientists use, actual wildlife biologists

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<v Speaker 1>use to study other animals, and it allows you to record.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean they'll hold two one terabyte SD cards in them,

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<v Speaker 1>so if you have the power, you have the you

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<v Speaker 1>could actually record for months on end if that's what

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<v Speaker 1>you wanted to do. And so I set them up

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<v Speaker 1>so they were I basically get about fifty nights at

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<v Speaker 1>him at a time with each one, and we're up

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<v Speaker 1>there more than that. I don't like letting the recorders

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<v Speaker 1>go that long because it gets built up for review.

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<v Speaker 1>But we set up these long term recorders around the

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<v Speaker 1>nest area, one over by where the new one was

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<v Speaker 1>found and one in between, and one where they original

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<v Speaker 1>nests were found, and just basically started logging everything from

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<v Speaker 1>dusk till dawn, and I basically review audio and then

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<v Speaker 1>I punch it all into a spreadsheet send it to Wes.

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<v Speaker 1>And we haven't done the full analysis yet. I just

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<v Speaker 1>finished reviewing twenty twenty two. I actually got every single

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<v Speaker 1>night recorded in twenty twenty two, twenty twenty one, I

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<v Speaker 1>got fifty eight percent of nights, and he did a

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<v Speaker 1>light analysis. That light analysis is on the OP website

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<v Speaker 1>for anyone that wants to look at it. And as

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<v Speaker 1>soon as I get everything logged, probably this summer, he'll

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<v Speaker 1>start doing a more in depth analysis for twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 2>So you said fifty eight percent of the nights, so

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<v Speaker 2>you had some sort of activity that you would identify

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<v Speaker 2>as sasquatch.

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<v Speaker 1>No no, no, no, no, no, no. Fifty eight percent

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<v Speaker 1>of nights for twenty twenty one were recorded. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>talking about how many knights are recorded. The stats for

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<v Speaker 1>that or in the light version that's west made public

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<v Speaker 1>on the OP site last year. But we're there. We

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<v Speaker 1>were finding that there was a lot more suspicious sound

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<v Speaker 1>activity than we ever expected going into it. Me and Shane,

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<v Speaker 1>we've always assumed that they were only there at a

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<v Speaker 1>specific time of year when the when the thought was

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<v Speaker 1>the nests were being built. But what we found is

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<v Speaker 1>they're passing through the area pretty regularly. And it I

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<v Speaker 1>mean the in the wintertime of course, with weather and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And just because you don't record a suspicious sound doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>mean the absence of the animal. But on a regular base,

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<v Speaker 1>it's usually about every three nights, every three to four nights,

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<v Speaker 1>we get some kind of suspicious activity. And and what

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<v Speaker 1>I do with the spreadsheet, I'm not saying that everything

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<v Speaker 1>is sasquatch and I'm in the spreadsheet, everything's logged as

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<v Speaker 1>unknown or ambiguous, and ambiguous is usually something that is

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<v Speaker 1>too distant to really make an identification on. And it

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<v Speaker 1>could be it could be an unknown which we assume

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<v Speaker 1>woul might possibly be a sasquatch because of other things happening.

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<v Speaker 1>Usually there's not just vocalizations. There's gonna be percussive sounds.

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<v Speaker 1>And I want to also say they don't make a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of noise, so it's not like there's a ton

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<v Speaker 1>of noise going on and we're getting all these vocalizations

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<v Speaker 1>and percussives all the time. That's not happening. But on

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<v Speaker 1>a fairly regular basis there seems to be a present

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<v Speaker 1>in the area.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm looking at the report right now, which of

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<v Speaker 2>course is on olympicproject dot com. That's under the I

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<v Speaker 2>think the new editions or something like that in recent editions,

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<v Speaker 2>something to that effect right now. And I love what

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<v Speaker 2>you guys have done. You've I'm looking at the page

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<v Speaker 2>right now where all the different species that you've been

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<v Speaker 2>able to identify so far have been tallied, and you

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<v Speaker 2>have right there unknown and also ambiguous, which I think

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<v Speaker 2>is a totally fruitful category to be putting a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of these things in because you may not know. And

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<v Speaker 2>one question that I know this over you hear in

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<v Speaker 2>the right gunshots, here's a question for you. How does

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<v Speaker 2>one differentiate between gunshots and wood knocks.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I've been reviewing Inspectrogram since twenty fifteen, and I've

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<v Speaker 1>done a lot of knocking experiments with my recorders. But

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<v Speaker 1>I've also talking with David Ellis and I've gotten a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of help from David Ellis and min Agahela on

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<v Speaker 1>all my audio. I've learned a lot from both of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're both I go to guys for audio stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely absolutely. But if you look at gunshots and spectrogram,

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<v Speaker 1>there's actually you'll see they'll be running usually down the

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<v Speaker 1>full range of frequencies, and there's usually a little pop

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<v Speaker 1>before the actual explosion of the gunshot. And the signature

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<v Speaker 1>itself looks once you've seen it enough, it looks totally

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<v Speaker 1>different from let's say a rock on rock or wood

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<v Speaker 1>on wood. It's hard for me to articulate, but when

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<v Speaker 1>I see it, I just I know it. I've when

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<v Speaker 1>I first started, I actually went out. I took one

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<v Speaker 1>of my recorders and I measured out ninety foot increments,

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<v Speaker 1>so thirty five yard increments, and I would hit a

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<v Speaker 1>tree with wood on wood, do rock on wood, and

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<v Speaker 1>do rock on rock out to about one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty yards, just to see what those sounds looked like

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<v Speaker 1>on my recorder in a spectrogram, and also kind of

419
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<v Speaker 1>to get an idea of how close these things were

420
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<v Speaker 1>occurring to my recorder.

421
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<v Speaker 2>That's a good answer, because what you told me in

422
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<v Speaker 2>a nutshell is that they looked at for on a spectrograph,

423
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<v Speaker 2>and you've done experiments as a calibration marker. I guess

424
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<v Speaker 2>to see what knocks sound like, various kinds of knocks too,

425
00:23:13.640 --> 00:23:15.359
<v Speaker 2>wood on wood and rock on rock and a bunch

426
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<v Speaker 2>of other stuff like that, And certainly, I guess you

427
00:23:18.079 --> 00:23:20.799
<v Speaker 2>can always do more experimentation if you choose, but that's

428
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<v Speaker 2>a really good foundation on which you can build and

429
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<v Speaker 2>do some differentiation here.

430
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, because I don't shut the door on any sound.

431
00:23:28.160 --> 00:23:31.000
<v Speaker 1>It's sound unless you actually see the sound being created,

432
00:23:31.000 --> 00:23:33.240
<v Speaker 1>you can't really say exactly what it is, but you

433
00:23:33.279 --> 00:23:35.440
<v Speaker 1>can make some pretty good educated guesses.

434
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<v Speaker 2>Are there sounds on the Olympic Project website that people

435
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<v Speaker 2>can listen.

436
00:23:38.559 --> 00:23:41.279
<v Speaker 1>To that's in the works. Shane's trying to get those

437
00:23:42.039 --> 00:23:45.519
<v Speaker 1>put up there. I do have a YouTube channel. It

438
00:23:45.640 --> 00:23:48.559
<v Speaker 1>was my personal YouTube channel, but I have stuff from

439
00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:52.680
<v Speaker 1>the Nest area on it now. I have some vocalizations

440
00:23:52.720 --> 00:23:58.759
<v Speaker 1>we call it singing vocalizations. We have some whistles. Most

441
00:23:58.799 --> 00:24:01.039
<v Speaker 1>of my YouTube though, I have known animal because I'm

442
00:24:01.079 --> 00:24:07.079
<v Speaker 1>constantly I want people to really look at the sounds

443
00:24:07.119 --> 00:24:10.680
<v Speaker 1>when instead of everything's as sasquatch when they record it,

444
00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:15.559
<v Speaker 1>to actually do some investigations. So I get sent audio

445
00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:20.960
<v Speaker 1>a lot, and so the the main contributors to that audio.

446
00:24:21.000 --> 00:24:23.279
<v Speaker 1>I try to put up examples of it, such as

447
00:24:23.319 --> 00:24:28.599
<v Speaker 1>Bardou and Kyote and giving different examples of those animals

448
00:24:28.680 --> 00:24:32.880
<v Speaker 1>because individual animals, individual animals within those species will create

449
00:24:32.920 --> 00:24:35.839
<v Speaker 1>their own noise and they will sound they have a

450
00:24:35.880 --> 00:24:37.880
<v Speaker 1>wide range, and they will sound screwing. And so there's

451
00:24:37.880 --> 00:24:41.480
<v Speaker 1>a lot of different vocalizations done by known animals that

452
00:24:41.559 --> 00:24:47.160
<v Speaker 1>are constantly, constantly being mistaken for sasquatch. So that's what

453
00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:50.119
<v Speaker 1>my YouTube's a lot of that is about. I put

454
00:24:50.200 --> 00:24:53.119
<v Speaker 1>up non animal sounds. I have like crows, crow talking,

455
00:24:53.200 --> 00:24:56.720
<v Speaker 1>crow knocking, because crows will actually make a percussive sound

456
00:24:57.319 --> 00:25:00.519
<v Speaker 1>with their mouths. And my YouTube channel it does have

457
00:25:00.680 --> 00:25:04.400
<v Speaker 1>unknown sounds that I attribute to sasquatch that were recorded

458
00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:08.920
<v Speaker 1>in the nest area. One in particular we called chimpfit

459
00:25:09.200 --> 00:25:11.559
<v Speaker 1>because it literally sounds like chimpanzees.

460
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I saw that there was a spectrograph in the

461
00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:17.480
<v Speaker 2>in the paper you guys have published on this particular vocalization.

462
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<v Speaker 2>Is that right?

463
00:25:18.359 --> 00:25:21.920
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that one. It's not the best recording because it

464
00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:25.400
<v Speaker 1>was actually recorded with one of my homemade long term

465
00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:31.200
<v Speaker 1>audio units, but it's profound because in spectrogram there's no

466
00:25:31.279 --> 00:25:34.880
<v Speaker 1>way you can mistake this for an owl or coyote signature.

467
00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:39.880
<v Speaker 1>It's its own signature. And I actually pulled some chimpanzee

468
00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:44.279
<v Speaker 1>vocalizations off the McCaulay Library sound to do comparison, and

469
00:25:44.519 --> 00:25:50.279
<v Speaker 1>it resembles chimpanzee vocalizations. Is specifically chimpanzees that were getting

470
00:25:50.319 --> 00:25:54.519
<v Speaker 1>excited when they were seeing their zookeepers come to them,

471
00:25:54.599 --> 00:25:57.839
<v Speaker 1>knowing that the zookeepers would have food, and the whole

472
00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:02.079
<v Speaker 1>structure of what happened in the nest of that those

473
00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:07.240
<v Speaker 1>vocalizations were not exactly the same as chimpanzee but really

474
00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:11.960
<v Speaker 1>profoundly close. Basically, what you had was in the nest

475
00:26:12.039 --> 00:26:17.000
<v Speaker 1>area an individual doing some high pitched whooping that built

476
00:26:17.079 --> 00:26:21.319
<v Speaker 1>up into a scream, actually two screams. There was another

477
00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:25.920
<v Speaker 1>individual distant making some noise, and then a third individual

478
00:26:26.599 --> 00:26:31.759
<v Speaker 1>doing very low pant hoots after the screamer screamed, and

479
00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:35.759
<v Speaker 1>I found two in the McCaulay library. So I found

480
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<v Speaker 1>several chimpanzee situations where you had a female chimpanzee getting

481
00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:45.039
<v Speaker 1>excited in a male chimpanzee doing very low pant hoots,

482
00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:47.599
<v Speaker 1>and both of them would build up into a scream.

483
00:26:47.599 --> 00:26:50.640
<v Speaker 1>And it was I do a whole YouTube breakdown of

484
00:26:50.680 --> 00:26:53.599
<v Speaker 1>it on my channel, and it to me, it was

485
00:26:53.680 --> 00:26:57.000
<v Speaker 1>like it's profound just because you can't miss it. This

486
00:26:57.079 --> 00:26:59.920
<v Speaker 1>is primate. Whatever I recorded in the Nest areas primate,

487
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:02.160
<v Speaker 1>and it sounds a lot like chimpanzee.

488
00:27:02.319 --> 00:27:05.079
<v Speaker 2>And for those people listening out there, his YouTube page

489
00:27:05.119 --> 00:27:08.640
<v Speaker 2>is Chris Spencer Toodle River Valley skuok him. I typed him.

490
00:27:08.680 --> 00:27:10.720
<v Speaker 2>Chris Spencer came up right away. But for those who

491
00:27:10.759 --> 00:27:13.480
<v Speaker 2>are a little bit more technically challenged, in case Bobo's

492
00:27:13.519 --> 00:27:15.319
<v Speaker 2>listening and he wants to try to go find this

493
00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:17.440
<v Speaker 2>YouTube page, you can just click the link in the

494
00:27:17.440 --> 00:27:20.880
<v Speaker 2>show notes. Okay, So some of the other findings of

495
00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:24.680
<v Speaker 2>your focus on the Nest site, what time of year

496
00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:27.599
<v Speaker 2>or let me ask you this, is there a time

497
00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:30.440
<v Speaker 2>of year that they seem to be more vocal in

498
00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:31.240
<v Speaker 2>the area.

499
00:27:31.599 --> 00:27:36.640
<v Speaker 1>Just for me reviewing, not going by any statistical analysis

500
00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:39.359
<v Speaker 1>that Wes has done yet. And what's funny is when

501
00:27:39.680 --> 00:27:43.000
<v Speaker 1>I give over the spreadsheets, Wes finds things that I

502
00:27:43.039 --> 00:27:48.000
<v Speaker 1>don't see. And I'm reviewing this stuff, but you know, basically,

503
00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:52.640
<v Speaker 1>fall is a big time. That period between August and

504
00:27:52.759 --> 00:27:56.519
<v Speaker 1>October this year at least was seemed to be quite

505
00:27:56.559 --> 00:28:00.440
<v Speaker 1>a bit and springtime it's actually doesn't prize of me

506
00:28:00.519 --> 00:28:03.319
<v Speaker 1>because as far as vocalizations go. That's kind of what

507
00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:08.119
<v Speaker 1>I found in the area I was investigating near Saint Helens.

508
00:28:08.680 --> 00:28:11.559
<v Speaker 1>And I mind you, when I was doing that, I

509
00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:15.240
<v Speaker 1>was only maybe recording three or four nights a week.

510
00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:18.920
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't recording every night, but it seemed to be

511
00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:23.839
<v Speaker 1>more vocalizations in the spring and in the fall, but

512
00:28:24.559 --> 00:28:27.359
<v Speaker 1>in the necessary one thing, Like I said, there's there's

513
00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:32.720
<v Speaker 1>been activity pretty much year round. I wouldn't. They're actively

514
00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:38.400
<v Speaker 1>walking through that particular those there's several ravines there. As

515
00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:41.519
<v Speaker 1>you know you've been there. They're actively walking through there

516
00:28:42.200 --> 00:28:45.200
<v Speaker 1>on a really regular basis. They're not like disappearing for

517
00:28:45.319 --> 00:28:49.279
<v Speaker 1>months on end. They're still there. They're utilizing that area.

518
00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:52.359
<v Speaker 1>And actually, right now, that's kind of our focus right

519
00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:55.640
<v Speaker 1>now is we've got this audio, we've got an idea

520
00:28:55.680 --> 00:28:57.799
<v Speaker 1>of where a lot of the sounds we've recorded are

521
00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:01.319
<v Speaker 1>coming from, and we're actively looking for physical evidence of

522
00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:07.400
<v Speaker 1>their travels. And we actually we found some physical evidence tuesday.

523
00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:10.599
<v Speaker 1>I'm actually really excited right now. It's an exciting time

524
00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:14.279
<v Speaker 1>because it's one thing to capture this audio, but then

525
00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:17.839
<v Speaker 1>to have some kind of confirming evidence that yes, indeed

526
00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:21.440
<v Speaker 1>you're recording something there should be physical evidence. If a

527
00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:25.079
<v Speaker 1>sasquatch is making these noises, and you know you've been

528
00:29:25.119 --> 00:29:27.599
<v Speaker 1>in the nest area, there's going to be physical evidence there.

529
00:29:27.839 --> 00:29:30.200
<v Speaker 1>They've got to be causing some kind of damage to

530
00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:33.119
<v Speaker 1>the environment that we can find. And that's kind of

531
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:35.960
<v Speaker 1>our focus right now is I'm slowing down on the

532
00:29:36.039 --> 00:29:39.720
<v Speaker 1>audio and now we're focused on really getting in there

533
00:29:39.759 --> 00:29:43.279
<v Speaker 1>and exploring around and looking for that physical evidence.

534
00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:45.640
<v Speaker 2>And can you tell us what sort of physical evidence

535
00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:46.960
<v Speaker 2>you came across on Tuesday?

536
00:29:47.480 --> 00:29:51.480
<v Speaker 1>So we look for huckleberry breaks, and I'll go back

537
00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:54.480
<v Speaker 1>a little bit. In twenty twenty one. Shane had gone

538
00:29:54.519 --> 00:29:56.640
<v Speaker 1>into the area by himself and you noticed some fresh

539
00:29:56.720 --> 00:30:00.640
<v Speaker 1>huckleberry breaks from the logging road that when off towards

540
00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:06.440
<v Speaker 1>one of these ravines. Well, myself, Rebecca and Todd came

541
00:30:06.440 --> 00:30:09.079
<v Speaker 1>in with him a week or so later, and we

542
00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:11.039
<v Speaker 1>did some hiking and we found that there was these

543
00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:16.640
<v Speaker 1>trails of broken huckleberries ranging from four feet high up

544
00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:20.599
<v Speaker 1>to the highest seven feet up. The branches broken off

545
00:30:20.920 --> 00:30:24.240
<v Speaker 1>and discarded on the ground, and all the bushes had

546
00:30:24.279 --> 00:30:26.599
<v Speaker 1>berries on them, but the branches that were broken off

547
00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:29.559
<v Speaker 1>and discarded on the ground were lacking berries. None of

548
00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:33.759
<v Speaker 1>the branches had tooth marks or claw marks or cut marks,

549
00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:36.119
<v Speaker 1>and some of them were quite large. Some of them

550
00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:39.079
<v Speaker 1>were an inch and a half in diameter. Twists broke

551
00:30:39.119 --> 00:30:43.079
<v Speaker 1>off and like I said, stripped of berries. And on

552
00:30:43.160 --> 00:30:46.960
<v Speaker 1>top of this, Todd Hill actually located where they had

553
00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:51.960
<v Speaker 1>crossed one of the logging roads from They were traveling

554
00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:54.400
<v Speaker 1>from one ravine to the other ravine and they had

555
00:30:54.400 --> 00:30:57.839
<v Speaker 1>crossed one of these logging roads, and we found several

556
00:30:58.599 --> 00:31:03.160
<v Speaker 1>sets of impressions. Was about a seventeen inch in length.

557
00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:06.759
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember the width, but Todd took a he

558
00:31:06.839 --> 00:31:10.279
<v Speaker 1>has both of us now have the Scandy pro app

559
00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:12.440
<v Speaker 1>on our phones, and he took a scan of it.

560
00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:15.119
<v Speaker 1>It's one of those deals we kick ourselves. Now, we

561
00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:17.160
<v Speaker 1>should have cast it. We did not. I don't think

562
00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:21.240
<v Speaker 1>we had any casting material with us. But it was

563
00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:25.279
<v Speaker 1>a really good impression where you can see that you

564
00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:28.759
<v Speaker 1>would know better that mid push up, that breaking point

565
00:31:28.759 --> 00:31:30.880
<v Speaker 1>where the flexibility of the foot where they kind of

566
00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:32.799
<v Speaker 1>has a push up bridge in the middle of it,

567
00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:36.200
<v Speaker 1>and you can see toe detail in it. But yeah,

568
00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:40.440
<v Speaker 1>so we've got these huckleberry brakes and this was a

569
00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:43.680
<v Speaker 1>lot of damage. It wasn't just like a few here

570
00:31:43.680 --> 00:31:46.519
<v Speaker 1>and there. This was like a clear trail of multiple

571
00:31:46.559 --> 00:31:50.559
<v Speaker 1>animals going through the huckleberry for over one hundred yards

572
00:31:50.599 --> 00:31:53.200
<v Speaker 1>from one ravine to the other end. It was just

573
00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:55.960
<v Speaker 1>so obvious they were stripping the berries off and just

574
00:31:56.039 --> 00:32:00.960
<v Speaker 1>discarding the branches. Now fast forward to the last Tuesday,

575
00:32:01.240 --> 00:32:04.440
<v Speaker 1>this one particular ravine over the ravine that the new

576
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:08.519
<v Speaker 1>nest was found on. Further I would say, further to

577
00:32:08.599 --> 00:32:12.039
<v Speaker 1>the west of that, we decided to explore an area

578
00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:14.680
<v Speaker 1>that no one has explored before, and that's where a

579
00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:18.359
<v Speaker 1>lot of the sound we believe was coming from. We

580
00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:21.720
<v Speaker 1>fought our way into it and it was a fight.

581
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:26.000
<v Speaker 1>It was. It was brutal. I know both Shane and

582
00:32:26.440 --> 00:32:29.680
<v Speaker 1>I have mentioned many times in the past how brutal

583
00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:32.799
<v Speaker 1>it is in there, but this was worse than ever

584
00:32:33.119 --> 00:32:36.680
<v Speaker 1>in thickness of huckleberry. And we got to this one

585
00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:39.200
<v Speaker 1>area where stuff started clearing out and we started finding

586
00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:42.519
<v Speaker 1>these breaks and the the Once again, it was the

587
00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:47.079
<v Speaker 1>same scenario. You had huckleberry ranging from four feet up

588
00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:50.160
<v Speaker 1>to all the way up to seven feet broken off,

589
00:32:50.759 --> 00:32:55.200
<v Speaker 1>twist broke, pulled, broke, and it was older and me

590
00:32:55.240 --> 00:32:58.119
<v Speaker 1>and Shane kind of figured this happened last fall. This

591
00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:01.799
<v Speaker 1>was they were in here feet last fall and you

592
00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:07.400
<v Speaker 1>could see trails that had been mashed down where something

593
00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:10.839
<v Speaker 1>large and been walking through the area. Shane actually got

594
00:33:11.079 --> 00:33:12.799
<v Speaker 1>we got a lot of video of it, but Shane

595
00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:16.079
<v Speaker 1>took a really cool video. He found one branch that

596
00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:19.720
<v Speaker 1>it was an inch and half piece of huckleberry maybe

597
00:33:19.720 --> 00:33:21.880
<v Speaker 1>two feet long, hanging out of a cedar tree like

598
00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:25.400
<v Speaker 1>it had been just tossed over someone's shoulder. Then at least

599
00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:29.200
<v Speaker 1>that's what I envisioned my head. But it was exciting

600
00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:31.079
<v Speaker 1>because it was the same thing we found in twenty

601
00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:34.640
<v Speaker 1>twenty one, and we figure it happened probably about the

602
00:33:34.680 --> 00:33:37.240
<v Speaker 1>same time in twenty twenty two looking at the age

603
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:40.200
<v Speaker 1>of the breaks that it was probably about six months

604
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:46.079
<v Speaker 1>ago and it was obvious feeding feeding behavior in our opinion.

605
00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:51.079
<v Speaker 2>Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.

606
00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:59.839
<v Speaker 2>We'll be right back after these messages and the next

607
00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:02.720
<v Speaker 2>This is like a sponge that you continue to squeeze

608
00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:04.480
<v Speaker 2>and get a little bit more water every single time

609
00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:07.680
<v Speaker 2>out of it's kind of a neat situation. Any news

610
00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:10.599
<v Speaker 2>on them logging it or when shutting you guys out

611
00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:11.519
<v Speaker 2>on that.

612
00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:16.400
<v Speaker 1>That's last I heard was they didn't have any permits

613
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:18.920
<v Speaker 1>to log it. But that's one of our concerns, and

614
00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:20.760
<v Speaker 1>that's why we're trying to do as much as we

615
00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:26.360
<v Speaker 1>can exploring this year. We're actively looking at areas connected

616
00:34:26.360 --> 00:34:29.280
<v Speaker 1>to the nest area to move into and search. But

617
00:34:29.400 --> 00:34:32.719
<v Speaker 1>this area particularly, we want to, like you said, go

618
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:35.519
<v Speaker 1>in there because it I mean, there could be stuff

619
00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:37.719
<v Speaker 1>five feet away from you you wouldn't see unless you

620
00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:41.000
<v Speaker 1>walked right up on top of it. But as far

621
00:34:41.039 --> 00:34:44.679
<v Speaker 1>as them logging it, we don't know. But I do

622
00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:47.960
<v Speaker 1>know this. There's some new surveyor tape on one of

623
00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:51.400
<v Speaker 1>the ravines that wasn't there the year before, So I

624
00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:54.440
<v Speaker 1>know that the timber surveyors are starting to survey, which

625
00:34:55.360 --> 00:34:57.440
<v Speaker 1>is an indication that there's going to be some logging

626
00:34:57.480 --> 00:35:01.840
<v Speaker 1>in the future, hopefully not soon, but I don't know yet.

627
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:03.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was kind of a big area too, though.

628
00:35:03.679 --> 00:35:06.440
<v Speaker 2>Imagine they can log one area and just push them

629
00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:08.480
<v Speaker 2>somewhere else for a little while and you can just

630
00:35:08.679 --> 00:35:11.119
<v Speaker 2>change your focus in there. But you know, I would

631
00:35:11.199 --> 00:35:14.039
<v Speaker 2>have to agree that, like my work in my field,

632
00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:16.840
<v Speaker 2>areas are indicating one of the things that you mentioned

633
00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:19.360
<v Speaker 2>that is kind of goes against the grain. I guess

634
00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:20.960
<v Speaker 2>of what a lot of people have assumed for a

635
00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:24.079
<v Speaker 2>long time and big for research, and that is that

636
00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:26.960
<v Speaker 2>I strongly believe now that they stay in the same

637
00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:29.639
<v Speaker 2>area pretty much all the time. And mind you, that

638
00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:31.800
<v Speaker 2>area might be very large, and I know the nest

639
00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:34.280
<v Speaker 2>site area in the surrounding area it's very large area.

640
00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:37.079
<v Speaker 2>But my area is ten miles by ten miles probably,

641
00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:39.880
<v Speaker 2>And oh that sounds it's not a really big area.

642
00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:41.800
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, you know, in the words of Stephen right,

643
00:35:41.840 --> 00:35:43.599
<v Speaker 2>it's a small world. But I wouldn't want to paint

644
00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:47.760
<v Speaker 2>it right. Yeah, it's a tremendously large area when you're

645
00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:51.119
<v Speaker 2>walking through the brush and trying to find minuscule trace

646
00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:53.760
<v Speaker 2>evidence of something with big, soft, padded feet moving by.

647
00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:58.800
<v Speaker 2>But so far, one of my areas has yielded footprints

648
00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:02.519
<v Speaker 2>and casts five eight times now, actually longer than that

649
00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:05.039
<v Speaker 2>because other people have been working it too. But it's

650
00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:06.840
<v Speaker 2>all from the same area and it doesn't matter what

651
00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:09.440
<v Speaker 2>time of year. The only thing that we're noticing is

652
00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:12.079
<v Speaker 2>that it happens about once every three months. That's when

653
00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:15.760
<v Speaker 2>we stumble across something. That doesn't mean they're not there otherwise,

654
00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:17.920
<v Speaker 2>but that's just when I happen to get we happen

655
00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:19.920
<v Speaker 2>to get lucky. And so far the pattern is once

656
00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:24.360
<v Speaker 2>every three months we're walking away with something like a cup,

657
00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:27.199
<v Speaker 2>a footprint cast or two. But obviously they're they're more

658
00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:30.119
<v Speaker 2>often than that. So again I think that this idea

659
00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:32.719
<v Speaker 2>that they migrate or they've all moved to the coast

660
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:36.079
<v Speaker 2>or or you know all that stuff. I just think

661
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:38.519
<v Speaker 2>it's if they don't have to move, they won't. Why

662
00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:39.000
<v Speaker 2>would they.

663
00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:41.280
<v Speaker 1>I one hundred percent agree with you, And I've heard

664
00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:45.920
<v Speaker 1>you talk about what you're doing, and I'm always like, yeah,

665
00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:49.559
<v Speaker 1>And if you look at the nest aary there's food wise,

666
00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:52.800
<v Speaker 1>there is absolutely no reason for them to travel. There's none.

667
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:56.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there are so many different opportunities there. Why

668
00:36:56.960 --> 00:36:58.960
<v Speaker 1>would you travel if you didn't have to? And the

669
00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:04.360
<v Speaker 1>thick cover have the cover to conceal themselves and operate

670
00:37:04.679 --> 00:37:06.760
<v Speaker 1>without being noticed by humans.

671
00:37:07.119 --> 00:37:10.079
<v Speaker 2>And they also have that benefit of private land. It's

672
00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:12.599
<v Speaker 2>logging land, but it's private land. And that's the case

673
00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:16.000
<v Speaker 2>in one of my areas as well. The national forests

674
00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:20.119
<v Speaker 2>that we go on borders logging land essentially, and we

675
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:21.840
<v Speaker 2>have a permit for that logging land. So now we

676
00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:25.039
<v Speaker 2>can go on there, and we've started doing so. But nonetheless,

677
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:27.760
<v Speaker 2>all of our best stuff is coming either right at

678
00:37:27.760 --> 00:37:30.159
<v Speaker 2>the border, like on the Forest Service land, or just

679
00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:33.639
<v Speaker 2>across the border into the Warehouser land in this case. Yeah,

680
00:37:33.679 --> 00:37:35.840
<v Speaker 2>so I don't think they're moving very far. And one

681
00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:38.400
<v Speaker 2>of the other things I've noticed from the Squatdronmetrics paper

682
00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:42.039
<v Speaker 2>that you have published is something else that was pointed

683
00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:45.840
<v Speaker 2>out to me twenty years ago by Kathy Strain, is

684
00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:49.159
<v Speaker 2>that there's something going on with coyotes. There's just something

685
00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:51.639
<v Speaker 2>going on. Can you talk about what you've been learning

686
00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:54.920
<v Speaker 2>from your studies of listening to vocalizations about the connection,

687
00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:59.599
<v Speaker 2>the possible probable in my opinion, connection between sasquatches and coyotes.

688
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:06.440
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, it's one of my favorite things. So kyriees they

689
00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:09.679
<v Speaker 1>live in family groups and the alpha it's basically the

690
00:38:09.679 --> 00:38:12.639
<v Speaker 1>alpha male and alpha female and their children. That's basically

691
00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:16.119
<v Speaker 1>a kyote pack. And when a larger predator comes in

692
00:38:16.159 --> 00:38:18.960
<v Speaker 1>the area, usually the alpha male will do what I

693
00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:22.559
<v Speaker 1>call a warning location call, where he kind of does

694
00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:25.960
<v Speaker 1>that kill deer thing where he brings attention to himself

695
00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:29.400
<v Speaker 1>while warning his family that there's something bigger in the areas.

696
00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:33.840
<v Speaker 1>Such as a cougar, because cougars actively hunt coyotes. And

697
00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:37.800
<v Speaker 1>one thing I noticed that the call is basically it

698
00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:41.880
<v Speaker 1>can be a scream how a scream yodel, or like

699
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:45.400
<v Speaker 1>scream barking, and the kyote will do this, you know,

700
00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:49.159
<v Speaker 1>for seconds up to I've recorded it for hours where

701
00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:54.000
<v Speaker 1>the kyote is running around doing this call all night long.

702
00:38:54.880 --> 00:39:00.559
<v Speaker 1>And we noticed on nights that we were getting suspect activity,

703
00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:05.239
<v Speaker 1>the coyote in that area was making the coyote warning

704
00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:10.679
<v Speaker 1>call the same time and within if not the same night,

705
00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:13.360
<v Speaker 1>but within a twenty four hour period of picking up

706
00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:17.679
<v Speaker 1>suspect sounds, there's kyote warning location calls going off. I

707
00:39:17.719 --> 00:39:21.840
<v Speaker 1>think the night that chimp fit was recorded, there were

708
00:39:23.159 --> 00:39:27.639
<v Speaker 1>sixteen other suspicious vocalizations, but there were seventeen kyoute warning

709
00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:31.039
<v Speaker 1>calls and in some cases that kyote went on for

710
00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:36.079
<v Speaker 1>an hour straight scream barking and scream howling. There's absolutely

711
00:39:36.119 --> 00:39:37.880
<v Speaker 1>a connection to kyotes in my opinion.

712
00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:40.760
<v Speaker 2>Do you have any speculations as to what that might be.

713
00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:45.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, I would suggest that sasquatch would be a bigger

714
00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:48.519
<v Speaker 1>predator than kyote, and the coyotes probably not wanting to

715
00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:51.840
<v Speaker 1>interact with that sasquatch and wants his family to know

716
00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:53.760
<v Speaker 1>there's a sasquatch in the area.

717
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:56.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So you think that is just kind of coincidence

718
00:39:56.440 --> 00:39:58.480
<v Speaker 2>that the sasquatches and coyotes are in the same area

719
00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:00.880
<v Speaker 2>and the kyotes are just giving a heads up that

720
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:01.400
<v Speaker 2>they're around.

721
00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:07.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think because I get kyote vocalizations regular, just

722
00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:11.360
<v Speaker 1>howling or the pack in the pups, especially in the spring,

723
00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:15.360
<v Speaker 1>you'll get the pups going off and just you're you know,

724
00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:18.960
<v Speaker 1>when you have multiple kyouts going off, howling, yipping and yodling,

725
00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:23.239
<v Speaker 1>that's that's common. And then when it's the warning call,

726
00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:27.519
<v Speaker 1>is always a single kyote making that house scream. And

727
00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:31.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, actually I get the house scream gets sent

728
00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:34.480
<v Speaker 1>to me. People think that's bigfoot all the time, and

729
00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:37.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, no, that's kyot. And like I said earlier,

730
00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:43.480
<v Speaker 1>different animals, individual animals within a species can make different

731
00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:47.320
<v Speaker 1>sounding calls. And I've got kyotes that I have really

732
00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:50.119
<v Speaker 1>deep voices and kaouts that have really high voices, and

733
00:40:50.239 --> 00:40:53.599
<v Speaker 1>they they all do that scream how And some people

734
00:40:53.719 --> 00:40:58.039
<v Speaker 1>mistake that how for sasquatch quite a bit. Actually, it's

735
00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:02.320
<v Speaker 1>kind of a running joke. It's always like, what do

736
00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:05.400
<v Speaker 1>you think it is, Chris, and is like coyote when

737
00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:09.400
<v Speaker 1>I get sent audio bit that I think what's happening

738
00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:12.800
<v Speaker 1>is the kyotes are there, they're running doing whatever they're

739
00:41:12.840 --> 00:41:16.000
<v Speaker 1>doing as kyotes, and when our target subjects are coming

740
00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:19.320
<v Speaker 1>into the area, that alpha male is letting the rest

741
00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:22.159
<v Speaker 1>of the pack know that the target subjects in the area.

742
00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:24.239
<v Speaker 1>You know, I could be wrong. It could be because

743
00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:27.920
<v Speaker 1>there's a cougar in the area. But when you look

744
00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:32.760
<v Speaker 1>at it from a statistical standpoint, as West has, every

745
00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:38.920
<v Speaker 1>time I've logged a suspicious vocalization and suspicious percussives is

746
00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:42.960
<v Speaker 1>within twenty four hours twelve hours each side of those occurring,

747
00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:46.400
<v Speaker 1>if not right after those occur, I'm getting kyote warning calls.

748
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:50.360
<v Speaker 2>Well, it makes sense, I think, you know, because no

749
00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:52.519
<v Speaker 2>matter how good a recorder you have, it only picks

750
00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:54.880
<v Speaker 2>up so far, and those coyotes would have to be

751
00:41:54.880 --> 00:41:57.480
<v Speaker 2>in the same general area as in the suspicious possible

752
00:41:57.519 --> 00:42:01.840
<v Speaker 2>sasquatch noises as well, which actually brings some brings a

753
00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:05.960
<v Speaker 2>question up as far as maybe calibration or just for

754
00:42:06.079 --> 00:42:10.320
<v Speaker 2>your own purposes, have you figured have you recorded vocalizations

755
00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:12.199
<v Speaker 2>because you said you have more than one recorder out

756
00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:15.519
<v Speaker 2>in the area. Have you recorded a vocalization on both

757
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:20.079
<v Speaker 2>recorders at the same time, Yes, I have you have? Okay, okay?

758
00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:23.400
<v Speaker 2>Does that help you place where they might be coming from?

759
00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:24.760
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely?

760
00:42:25.280 --> 00:42:26.360
<v Speaker 2>How do you? How do you do that?

761
00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:30.599
<v Speaker 1>Well? You can inspectro Graham. You can see the strength

762
00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:34.199
<v Speaker 1>of the signature, how hard it's hitting on it, and

763
00:42:34.400 --> 00:42:38.119
<v Speaker 1>when it's let's say that my long term recorder in

764
00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:41.559
<v Speaker 1>Nest eary three, that's one of our designated areas I've

765
00:42:41.599 --> 00:42:46.079
<v Speaker 1>picked up. We get a lot of scream roars. That's

766
00:42:46.119 --> 00:42:49.519
<v Speaker 1>one of the vocals we get. I've picked up scream

767
00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:53.079
<v Speaker 1>roar closer to it, while also picking it up over

768
00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:57.760
<v Speaker 1>by the old Nest area further away. And also when

769
00:42:57.760 --> 00:43:00.159
<v Speaker 1>I placed my recorders, all my recorders are running on

770
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:03.880
<v Speaker 1>stereo mics. I can see each channel for each recorder

771
00:43:03.920 --> 00:43:08.920
<v Speaker 1>in the spectrogram which Mike is picking up that signal strongest.

772
00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:11.840
<v Speaker 1>So I can kind of figure out, Okay, I know

773
00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:15.360
<v Speaker 1>when I place my recorders, I place the mics are

774
00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:17.960
<v Speaker 1>either pointed north, south or east west. I try to

775
00:43:18.039 --> 00:43:21.000
<v Speaker 1>orient them so I know what direction each mic has pointed,

776
00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:23.840
<v Speaker 1>so I can start putting a picture together where those

777
00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:28.159
<v Speaker 1>vocals are coming from. So I got this vocals it's

778
00:43:28.199 --> 00:43:33.320
<v Speaker 1>in Nestary three closer uh, and it's hitting on the

779
00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:35.639
<v Speaker 1>right mic, which is pointed north, So that means it's

780
00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:41.079
<v Speaker 1>actually in between Nestary three and another recording area we

781
00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:44.760
<v Speaker 1>call fresh camp or have another recorder, so it gives

782
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:47.400
<v Speaker 1>me a rough idea where the vocals are coming from.

783
00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:50.599
<v Speaker 2>By doing this, have you noticed that the vocalizations continue

784
00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:52.280
<v Speaker 2>to come from the same general areas.

785
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:58.800
<v Speaker 1>Yes, there, I've actually moved recorders into areas because of

786
00:43:58.840 --> 00:44:04.719
<v Speaker 1>that to try to capture closer vocalizations. It sounds messed up,

787
00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:07.159
<v Speaker 1>but they find my recorders, they know my recorders are there.

788
00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:10.119
<v Speaker 1>And there's one place where I had actually stuck it

789
00:44:10.199 --> 00:44:13.559
<v Speaker 1>deep in the ravine where I knew most of the

790
00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:17.960
<v Speaker 1>vocalizations were coming from, and they shut up, but they

791
00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:21.079
<v Speaker 1>started power knocking next to that recorder. They would go

792
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:26.320
<v Speaker 1>by that recorder and do a slam grand home run

793
00:44:26.360 --> 00:44:30.119
<v Speaker 1>next to that recorder versus making any kind of vocalization.

794
00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:32.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's kind of sounds like maybe it's a heads

795
00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:36.320
<v Speaker 2>up or something like that. Yeah, one of the things

796
00:44:36.360 --> 00:44:38.119
<v Speaker 2>I've noticed over the years, And I'd like to know

797
00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:40.440
<v Speaker 2>your thoughts on This is a lot of times, and

798
00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:43.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm not the only person who's notices. I don't think

799
00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:46.039
<v Speaker 2>when you first show up, or when somebody leaves an

800
00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:48.440
<v Speaker 2>area and leave somebody behind, that's when they tend to knock,

801
00:44:48.599 --> 00:44:53.239
<v Speaker 2>right m hmm absolutely, okay, yeah, so, which gives me

802
00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:57.960
<v Speaker 2>some sort of comfort in speculating that that would be

803
00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:02.280
<v Speaker 2>a hey, something's changed, or hey, something's unusual. There's something's

804
00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:05.639
<v Speaker 2>going on here, pay attention, which might go well with this.

805
00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:08.199
<v Speaker 2>When you move your recorder into an area, they do

806
00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:10.880
<v Speaker 2>a couple of power knocks just to let you know,

807
00:45:11.199 --> 00:45:13.079
<v Speaker 2>let other people know. It's just like coyotes doing they're

808
00:45:13.119 --> 00:45:14.800
<v Speaker 2>not or do not not knocks, but you know they're

809
00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:16.280
<v Speaker 2>calls like something's up called.

810
00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:20.000
<v Speaker 1>I always say when people contact me, you want to

811
00:45:20.039 --> 00:45:24.079
<v Speaker 1>start doing this type of stuff the long term recording.

812
00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:27.960
<v Speaker 1>I pretty much everywhere that I've ever done this, at

813
00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:31.639
<v Speaker 1>some point in time, whether the sasquatch are seeing me

814
00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:35.559
<v Speaker 1>going back and forth through the recorder, over time, they

815
00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:38.440
<v Speaker 1>figure out there's something there and there's going to be

816
00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:42.639
<v Speaker 1>a power knock, if not on the tree next to it,

817
00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:45.480
<v Speaker 1>there's going to be some kind of acknowledgment of it.

818
00:45:45.559 --> 00:45:48.679
<v Speaker 1>And I just take it as stupid human thing right here.

819
00:45:51.320 --> 00:45:54.719
<v Speaker 2>Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.

820
00:45:54.920 --> 00:46:03.960
<v Speaker 2>Will be right back after these messages. Yeah, so to

821
00:46:04.039 --> 00:46:05.840
<v Speaker 2>those ends, I know, there's not a lot of stupid

822
00:46:05.920 --> 00:46:08.079
<v Speaker 2>human things out in the nest site area, but there

823
00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:11.239
<v Speaker 2>are a couple. There are some human things out there.

824
00:46:11.320 --> 00:46:16.079
<v Speaker 2>There's some structures, for example, and gates, and probably a

825
00:46:16.079 --> 00:46:18.920
<v Speaker 2>handful of other things. I haven't even run across yet,

826
00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:20.840
<v Speaker 2>power line poles or something. I know there's bound to

827
00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:23.519
<v Speaker 2>be a couple of things. Have you thought about hanging

828
00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:26.039
<v Speaker 2>technology on or around those not?

829
00:46:26.199 --> 00:46:28.960
<v Speaker 1>At this point, we basically have been focusing on the

830
00:46:29.039 --> 00:46:34.679
<v Speaker 1>ravines where the nests were originally found in. But actually,

831
00:46:34.760 --> 00:46:38.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's funny. Yesterday we tried to go to

832
00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:40.599
<v Speaker 1>the one structure you're talking about. I think you visited

833
00:46:40.599 --> 00:46:44.519
<v Speaker 1>it with Shane at one point, and we got some

834
00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:46.239
<v Speaker 1>wild dogs chased us off.

835
00:46:46.280 --> 00:46:49.559
<v Speaker 2>Basically, yeah, man, who knows who's living in that thing? Man?

836
00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:50.360
<v Speaker 2>Because somebody is.

837
00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:56.480
<v Speaker 3>Sometimes it was a little bit scary. Oh yeah, No,

838
00:46:56.719 --> 00:47:02.239
<v Speaker 3>I've and I've gotten you know, I've recorded some percussives,

839
00:47:02.239 --> 00:47:04.519
<v Speaker 3>not a lot, but I've recorded a few percussives that

840
00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:08.360
<v Speaker 3>were on seem to be on metal, and whether they're

841
00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:11.280
<v Speaker 3>on the on the gates or not, that there seems

842
00:47:11.320 --> 00:47:15.440
<v Speaker 3>to be some hitting of metal at some points in time.

843
00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:18.480
<v Speaker 3>Whether that's our target subjects or not, I don't know that.

844
00:47:19.119 --> 00:47:21.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh that that brings up another question. I like to

845
00:47:21.079 --> 00:47:23.159
<v Speaker 2>ask people like yourself who are kind of like the

846
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:27.039
<v Speaker 2>sound nerds, you know, have you recorded other sounds that

847
00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:29.719
<v Speaker 2>are completely out of place? The one I always bring up,

848
00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:31.800
<v Speaker 2>or card door slamming, because I've heard it myself, I've

849
00:47:31.800 --> 00:47:35.119
<v Speaker 2>been with people who've heard it. Bobo's heard it. ANYWAC

850
00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:38.119
<v Speaker 2>guys have heard it down at Area X. It seems

851
00:47:38.119 --> 00:47:41.639
<v Speaker 2>to be something having to do with sasquatches, probably some

852
00:47:41.679 --> 00:47:45.599
<v Speaker 2>sort of imitation that they make. I'm guessing at this point,

853
00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:48.960
<v Speaker 2>have you recorded any unusual sounds that you have a

854
00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:52.400
<v Speaker 2>sneaking suspicion might be sasquatches, even though it doesn't sound

855
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:54.920
<v Speaker 2>like that. Besides, and of course you just mentioned one,

856
00:47:55.039 --> 00:47:57.000
<v Speaker 2>but anything else.

857
00:47:57.199 --> 00:48:01.360
<v Speaker 1>As far as like if you're percussive. Never gotten anything

858
00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:04.280
<v Speaker 1>like a car door I've heard of that one before,

859
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:07.280
<v Speaker 1>but I've never gotten anything like that. I've gotten some

860
00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:12.679
<v Speaker 1>odd vocals that kind of made me pause. But nothing

861
00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:15.400
<v Speaker 1>that I would think they were mimicking anything.

862
00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:19.639
<v Speaker 2>Okay, now you mentioned singing though, like that suspicious singing,

863
00:48:19.639 --> 00:48:21.599
<v Speaker 2>and that of course on your website. Oh it's even

864
00:48:21.639 --> 00:48:23.920
<v Speaker 2>called suspicious singing now that I look at it. What

865
00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:28.920
<v Speaker 2>a coincidence? Do you think that might be a sasquatch?

866
00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:33.519
<v Speaker 1>Oh? Absolutely, I call it. See I've always called those

867
00:48:33.599 --> 00:48:39.599
<v Speaker 1>vocalizations high low vocals. You'll usually have a vocalizer hitting

868
00:48:39.760 --> 00:48:44.840
<v Speaker 1>really low on the Hurtz range and then a responding vocalizer.

869
00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:47.880
<v Speaker 1>It's arguable whether it's the same vocalizer or not. I

870
00:48:47.920 --> 00:48:52.880
<v Speaker 1>think it's two different individuals hitting really high notes. And

871
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:55.239
<v Speaker 1>that's been recorded not only in the necess area, that's

872
00:48:55.239 --> 00:48:58.000
<v Speaker 1>been recorded in other areas. I've talked with Managa Halo

873
00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:03.239
<v Speaker 1>about it. David has has gotten the same kind of

874
00:49:03.760 --> 00:49:08.360
<v Speaker 1>vocalizations from other areas. Kirk Brandenberg recorded something similar in

875
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:12.440
<v Speaker 1>an area of interest, and I've always called him high low,

876
00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:15.840
<v Speaker 1>but Monogahala and David call him singing vocalizations. So that's

877
00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:18.679
<v Speaker 1>why I've been referring to him as singing vocalizations. Now,

878
00:49:19.320 --> 00:49:22.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean some of them, I don't know human that

879
00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:26.960
<v Speaker 1>would do that kind of vocalization. I'm not saying that

880
00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:31.639
<v Speaker 1>it couldn't be done. That's one thing I always tell people.

881
00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:36.760
<v Speaker 1>The biggest worry when I'm recording is the human contamination,

882
00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:40.639
<v Speaker 1>because no matter what anyone says, human beings can make

883
00:49:41.159 --> 00:49:44.840
<v Speaker 1>most the sounds that sasquatch make, and vice versa. So

884
00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:48.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm always really worried about human beings in the area

885
00:49:48.639 --> 00:49:53.719
<v Speaker 1>making vocalizations when I'm recording. But that that sing song

886
00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:59.760
<v Speaker 1>high low or low high vocals, there's a brassy tone

887
00:49:59.800 --> 00:50:03.840
<v Speaker 1>to them. There's a deep almost echoing with it. I

888
00:50:03.880 --> 00:50:06.920
<v Speaker 1>can't articulate it as well as David Elis says, but

889
00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:08.840
<v Speaker 1>it's just they're odd.

890
00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:11.159
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know it says it's on your website, it's

891
00:50:11.199 --> 00:50:13.320
<v Speaker 2>the YouTube channel here. Why don't we play it for

892
00:50:13.360 --> 00:50:15.599
<v Speaker 2>our listeners. They can put their ears on it and

893
00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:54.280
<v Speaker 2>hear what we're talking about here. That's interesting setting, very

894
00:50:54.679 --> 00:50:58.079
<v Speaker 2>almost whistley in a way, but not quite. What software

895
00:50:58.119 --> 00:50:59.840
<v Speaker 2>do you use for your work here?

896
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:04.599
<v Speaker 1>I used Audacity. I used the spectrogram in Audacity. I

897
00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:08.960
<v Speaker 1>originally start out with Sonic Visualizer, and then you know,

898
00:51:09.079 --> 00:51:12.400
<v Speaker 1>most of the stuff I was finding in Sonic Visualizer

899
00:51:12.440 --> 00:51:15.559
<v Speaker 1>I would clip anyways in Audacity, so I switched over

900
00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:18.840
<v Speaker 1>to a dasty. Also, I started talking with Monoga Halo

901
00:51:18.840 --> 00:51:21.719
<v Speaker 1>a lot, and he uses Audacity, and I just got

902
00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:25.400
<v Speaker 1>used to using that spectrogram. One other thing I noticed

903
00:51:25.400 --> 00:51:29.599
<v Speaker 1>in Sonic Visualizer when I was reviewing and I'd see something,

904
00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:34.079
<v Speaker 1>I would play it within the program of Sonic Visualizer,

905
00:51:34.519 --> 00:51:38.320
<v Speaker 1>and then when I'd moved that file to Audacity to clip,

906
00:51:38.360 --> 00:51:40.599
<v Speaker 1>when I played in Audacity, it didn't sound the same.

907
00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:46.880
<v Speaker 1>So Sonic Visualizer, as far as audible noises in, it

908
00:51:46.960 --> 00:51:50.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of distorts what you're you're listening to. Where's audacity,

909
00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:53.599
<v Speaker 1>You're listening to what your recorder actually recorded. So that's

910
00:51:53.599 --> 00:51:54.440
<v Speaker 1>why I went with that.

911
00:51:54.920 --> 00:51:56.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, I wasn't a word that audacity, I see.

912
00:51:56.760 --> 00:51:59.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't use those. I have a I subscribed to

913
00:51:59.280 --> 00:52:02.280
<v Speaker 2>the Adobe Cree Native Suite for the museum because I

914
00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:06.159
<v Speaker 2>use you know, Illustrator and you know Premiere for our

915
00:52:06.199 --> 00:52:09.880
<v Speaker 2>member videos and photoshop, and so I just have whatever

916
00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:11.960
<v Speaker 2>that they have as used to be called a sound booth.

917
00:52:12.119 --> 00:52:14.440
<v Speaker 2>I think it's called Audition or something now I'm not

918
00:52:14.440 --> 00:52:17.079
<v Speaker 2>sure what it is, but that's what I use just

919
00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:19.440
<v Speaker 2>but I have a subscription for it. Most people do,

920
00:52:19.519 --> 00:52:21.800
<v Speaker 2>in fact, use Audacity and that wasn't aware that they

921
00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:24.119
<v Speaker 2>had a spectrograph built into the program.

922
00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:29.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it took me. If you go to Minoga Hala's YouTube,

923
00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:32.159
<v Speaker 1>I think he has some video in there how he

924
00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:35.519
<v Speaker 1>sets it up. I actually made a YouTube video myself.

925
00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:38.119
<v Speaker 1>It's on my channel on how I set it up

926
00:52:38.159 --> 00:52:41.400
<v Speaker 1>and I set my spectrogram in Audacity up exactly like

927
00:52:41.480 --> 00:52:42.440
<v Speaker 1>Minoga Hala does.

928
00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:44.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, I mean he's one of the best, so

929
00:52:44.360 --> 00:52:47.320
<v Speaker 2>you definitely want to follow any advice that he gives.

930
00:52:47.360 --> 00:52:50.039
<v Speaker 2>I think that everybody should listen very closely to yep

931
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:53.880
<v Speaker 2>and under your kind of summary areas of focus page

932
00:52:54.039 --> 00:52:57.719
<v Speaker 2>on your presentation from squad from Metrics that you can

933
00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:00.199
<v Speaker 2>download or look at right now at the Olympic Project,

934
00:53:01.400 --> 00:53:05.159
<v Speaker 2>it notes the time of day that most vocalizations are

935
00:53:05.199 --> 00:53:09.039
<v Speaker 2>recording for, which brings up two questions or two thoughts.

936
00:53:09.039 --> 00:53:11.599
<v Speaker 2>I guess number one, do you record twenty four to

937
00:53:11.599 --> 00:53:14.679
<v Speaker 2>seven or do you set it for sunrise sundown? What's

938
00:53:14.719 --> 00:53:16.719
<v Speaker 2>your timing? Because I have a bunch of long duration

939
00:53:16.840 --> 00:53:18.920
<v Speaker 2>recorders out I think I have two or three deployed

940
00:53:18.960 --> 00:53:22.320
<v Speaker 2>at this very moment. I generally set them from about

941
00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:25.199
<v Speaker 2>this time of year, probably about seven to seven or

942
00:53:25.239 --> 00:53:26.519
<v Speaker 2>something like that. What do you do.

943
00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:29.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty much doing the same thing. I look at

944
00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:32.840
<v Speaker 1>when the recording dusk still done. I'm not recording all

945
00:53:32.920 --> 00:53:37.079
<v Speaker 1>day long. It's not that you not that sasquatch couldn't

946
00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:39.119
<v Speaker 1>be making some kind of vocal during the day. I

947
00:53:39.159 --> 00:53:41.880
<v Speaker 1>just don't think they do it during the day is often,

948
00:53:42.599 --> 00:53:46.119
<v Speaker 1>and most noise is going to happen at night, when

949
00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:50.599
<v Speaker 1>I think they're more comfortable. But basically about an hour

950
00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:55.880
<v Speaker 1>before before dusk and about an hour after dawn. That's

951
00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:58.760
<v Speaker 1>what I set the recorders for. During the wintertime, I'll

952
00:53:58.920 --> 00:54:03.480
<v Speaker 1>have them record fourteen hours. By summertime, I'm only recording

953
00:54:03.599 --> 00:54:04.760
<v Speaker 1>nine hours. Yeah.

954
00:54:04.840 --> 00:54:07.519
<v Speaker 2>And also it's a it's a thing that sound actually

955
00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:10.239
<v Speaker 2>travels better at night. It has to do a temperature

956
00:54:10.320 --> 00:54:12.440
<v Speaker 2>or water content in the air or something like that,

957
00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:15.639
<v Speaker 2>but you'd probably be better off. Yeah. So that was

958
00:54:15.639 --> 00:54:17.519
<v Speaker 2>one of the things I wanted to see what you're doing,

959
00:54:17.559 --> 00:54:20.400
<v Speaker 2>because you know, I don't know a lot about anything, really,

960
00:54:20.440 --> 00:54:22.320
<v Speaker 2>and I only know as much as I do because

961
00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:25.079
<v Speaker 2>I surround myself with people who are really into what

962
00:54:25.079 --> 00:54:26.599
<v Speaker 2>they do and people who are smarter than me, and

963
00:54:26.639 --> 00:54:28.880
<v Speaker 2>all that sort of stuff. You know, it's what any

964
00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:32.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, person who runs a business for example, like

965
00:54:32.519 --> 00:54:34.599
<v Speaker 2>I do, or you know is on a team member

966
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:36.800
<v Speaker 2>or any sort, does you know? You surround yourself with

967
00:54:36.800 --> 00:54:38.559
<v Speaker 2>people who are smarter than you and so you can

968
00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:40.639
<v Speaker 2>contribute as well. I want to make sure that I

969
00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:45.000
<v Speaker 2>was doing something right. God knows. Man, If I'm not

970
00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:47.920
<v Speaker 2>making a mistake, I'm probably asleep, is my thought on it.

971
00:54:49.480 --> 00:54:53.079
<v Speaker 1>But that's science, man. Science is a series of mistakes.

972
00:54:53.119 --> 00:54:56.119
<v Speaker 1>That's how we learn. I mean, I make mistakes all

973
00:54:56.159 --> 00:54:59.280
<v Speaker 1>the time. I'm I'm self taught on all this as

974
00:54:59.360 --> 00:55:02.000
<v Speaker 1>just have a path for it, and I just want

975
00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:04.400
<v Speaker 1>to I just want to learn as much as I

976
00:55:04.440 --> 00:55:09.280
<v Speaker 1>can about about hard special animals.

977
00:55:09.679 --> 00:55:13.480
<v Speaker 2>So right right, I'll tell you, Yeah, it's nice to

978
00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:15.599
<v Speaker 2>be able to make us mistakes and be okay with it.

979
00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:18.440
<v Speaker 2>I might mind tend to be rather high profile mistakes

980
00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:21.559
<v Speaker 2>that people throw throw stones at me for, I guess,

981
00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:24.519
<v Speaker 2>but whatever, screw it, I'm okay with it. And my

982
00:55:24.679 --> 00:55:27.000
<v Speaker 2>other question about the time of day stuff is that

983
00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:29.239
<v Speaker 2>it says here that most of the air, most of

984
00:55:29.239 --> 00:55:32.719
<v Speaker 2>the most of the unknown vocalizations. According to this, almost

985
00:55:32.719 --> 00:55:36.519
<v Speaker 2>eighty five percent of them happened before one am. Now

986
00:55:36.519 --> 00:55:40.039
<v Speaker 2>that's something that very informally, just you know, uh, my

987
00:55:40.159 --> 00:55:43.000
<v Speaker 2>own work in the field there out in the woods.

988
00:55:43.360 --> 00:55:47.559
<v Speaker 2>It seems that the sweet spot for me hearing vocalizations

989
00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:51.360
<v Speaker 2>is generally between eleven and two somewhere around there. And

990
00:55:51.440 --> 00:55:53.159
<v Speaker 2>that's just been my gut feeling. I don't have any

991
00:55:53.239 --> 00:55:55.719
<v Speaker 2>numbers to back it up or anything. But also, to

992
00:55:55.800 --> 00:55:58.559
<v Speaker 2>be fair, I tend to fall asleep sometime around three,

993
00:55:59.039 --> 00:56:01.920
<v Speaker 2>so I didn't know if so. I'm kind of happy

994
00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:03.679
<v Speaker 2>in a way that I see that perhaps I'm not

995
00:56:03.719 --> 00:56:05.679
<v Speaker 2>missing as much as I thought I was. But of

996
00:56:05.719 --> 00:56:07.679
<v Speaker 2>course I know I'm missing something. But what are your

997
00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:10.000
<v Speaker 2>thoughts on when they seem to be vocalizing? And do

998
00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:11.159
<v Speaker 2>you have any idea why.

999
00:56:11.519 --> 00:56:15.199
<v Speaker 1>As far as in the nestory? And I always kind

1000
00:56:15.199 --> 00:56:18.280
<v Speaker 1>of throw it out there that what these individuals are

1001
00:56:18.320 --> 00:56:22.039
<v Speaker 1>doing might be different than individuals in another area are doing.

1002
00:56:22.280 --> 00:56:26.880
<v Speaker 1>But like West found when he was running the numbers,

1003
00:56:26.920 --> 00:56:33.920
<v Speaker 1>he's like, there's a huge shift from vocalizations to percussive

1004
00:56:34.000 --> 00:56:38.440
<v Speaker 1>sounds after one am, And I still have vocals after

1005
00:56:38.519 --> 00:56:41.360
<v Speaker 1>one am. I still, I mean, I got some pretty

1006
00:56:42.119 --> 00:56:45.800
<v Speaker 1>interesting vocals, you know, right there at dawn at five am.

1007
00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:52.400
<v Speaker 1>But generally speaking, vocalizations are happening from dusk till one am,

1008
00:56:52.440 --> 00:56:54.840
<v Speaker 1>and then you see a shift to if there is

1009
00:56:54.920 --> 00:56:58.960
<v Speaker 1>anything suspicious going on, some percussive sounds. And I actually

1010
00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:02.239
<v Speaker 1>they use a lot of percussive sounds in my opinion.

1011
00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:06.000
<v Speaker 1>But as far as why that is, I honestly at

1012
00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:09.440
<v Speaker 1>this point I haven't deviled in my brain that far.

1013
00:57:10.199 --> 00:57:14.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm just I'm kind of in that mode of log

1014
00:57:15.079 --> 00:57:18.199
<v Speaker 1>everything and get it punched in the spreadsheet and send

1015
00:57:18.199 --> 00:57:22.320
<v Speaker 1>it to Wes and start really hypothesizing later.

1016
00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:24.840
<v Speaker 2>No, I get it yet, do the work. Let the

1017
00:57:24.880 --> 00:57:26.760
<v Speaker 2>nerds figure it out, right. I get it now. But

1018
00:57:26.800 --> 00:57:28.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm a nerd too, so that's why I say that

1019
00:57:28.280 --> 00:57:32.519
<v Speaker 2>so happily. By the way, do you notice because they're

1020
00:57:32.559 --> 00:57:34.519
<v Speaker 2>vocalizing at the front part of the night, you know,

1021
00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:37.079
<v Speaker 2>the first part of the night, is there a pick

1022
00:57:37.159 --> 00:57:38.760
<v Speaker 2>up at the end of the night before daylight?

1023
00:57:39.079 --> 00:57:45.400
<v Speaker 1>I haven't. In reviewing, I haven't seen that. I've seen,

1024
00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:50.000
<v Speaker 1>like I said, mostly percussives like this one area. What

1025
00:57:50.039 --> 00:57:53.559
<v Speaker 1>I find interesting is there'll be a shift in times

1026
00:57:53.599 --> 00:57:56.599
<v Speaker 1>that they're passing by the recorder. At least that's my

1027
00:57:56.679 --> 00:58:01.039
<v Speaker 1>interpretation of it. In one area. In September, I was

1028
00:58:01.079 --> 00:58:05.039
<v Speaker 1>getting a lot of percussive sounds between four and five.

1029
00:58:05.119 --> 00:58:08.519
<v Speaker 1>It's like they're coming by the recorder every other morning

1030
00:58:08.960 --> 00:58:11.079
<v Speaker 1>between four and five on their way to do whatever

1031
00:58:11.119 --> 00:58:15.239
<v Speaker 1>they're doing and slamming a tree and I've got a

1032
00:58:15.239 --> 00:58:19.360
<v Speaker 1>couple vocals with that, some whoops, but nothing like a

1033
00:58:19.400 --> 00:58:25.159
<v Speaker 1>lot of vocalization. And then somewhere it shifted around October.

1034
00:58:25.599 --> 00:58:27.719
<v Speaker 1>They kind of went quiet, and then all of a sudden,

1035
00:58:27.719 --> 00:58:30.599
<v Speaker 1>I started getting the same kind of percussives between ten

1036
00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:34.639
<v Speaker 1>and eleven, and it's like, Okay, something changed in their schedule.

1037
00:58:34.719 --> 00:58:37.440
<v Speaker 1>Now they're moving through that area at a different time.

1038
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<v Speaker 1>So little things like that that's actually intrigued me, is like,

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<v Speaker 1>why is this happening. There's obviously a change in whatever

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<v Speaker 1>routine they got going.

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<v Speaker 2>It'll be interesting to see if that pattern holds up

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<v Speaker 2>year to year as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. Yeah, I'm I'm you know, I see things as

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<v Speaker 1>I review, but I forget things a lot because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>constantly reviewing and reviewing three different recorders from the same area.

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<v Speaker 1>That's one thing. It gets a little monotonous when I

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00:59:05.719 --> 00:59:08.280
<v Speaker 1>review one recorder and then I got to review the

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00:59:08.320 --> 00:59:10.840
<v Speaker 1>recorder that's a quarter mile away from it the same

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00:59:10.920 --> 00:59:13.639
<v Speaker 1>time period, and then stuff gets jumbled in my head.

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<v Speaker 1>But I have tons of notebooks, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, at at least you're doing that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>leaving something behind, because once the animals are recognized by

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00:59:22.679 --> 00:59:26.880
<v Speaker 2>academia and everybody else, this is history. We're making history,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you're doing it right, your history will be remembered.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. That's something that's kind of cool. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>the reason to do it. It's not like an ego thing,

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<v Speaker 2>but at the same time, it's it's kind of neat

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<v Speaker 2>to know that you're contributing to something that will outlast

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<v Speaker 2>all of us, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that's kind of my hope. I don't look

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<v Speaker 1>at I'm like I'm doing anything profound or shocking. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just I'm doing what I enjoy doing for one, and

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00:59:51.559 --> 00:59:55.239
<v Speaker 1>then you know, and then two, I think it's important

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<v Speaker 1>and there's somebody else a lot smarter than me down

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<v Speaker 1>the road, my baible use some of this for whatever purpose,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I don't look at it as like I

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01:00:04.719 --> 01:00:06.639
<v Speaker 1>don't know, I just look at it as something that

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<v Speaker 1>needs to be done, and you know, ten years down

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01:00:11.239 --> 01:00:13.159
<v Speaker 1>the road, someone else might be able to do something

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<v Speaker 1>with it that I can't think of.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. Look at all the information we're still getting out of,

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01:00:17.519 --> 01:00:19.679
<v Speaker 2>say the Patterson Gimlin film, you know, over fifty years

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01:00:19.719 --> 01:00:22.679
<v Speaker 2>ago now, or even new stuff was discovered about the

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<v Speaker 2>Jerry Crew cast, you know, as recently as the late

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<v Speaker 2>two thousands, you know, two thousands, what is it, fourteen?

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<v Speaker 2>I think new stuff was discovered about the Jerry Crew cast. Yeah,

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01:00:32.840 --> 01:00:35.559
<v Speaker 2>so you just never know, collect it all and let

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01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:38.519
<v Speaker 2>the future nerds, you know, sort it out. It's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of my thought. But I think you hit upon something

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<v Speaker 2>that I think is the most important thing about sasquatch stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>You enjoy it, I sincerely think, I mean, do the

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<v Speaker 2>I think all of us should be out there doing

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<v Speaker 2>the best job we possibly can with gathering stuff. But

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<v Speaker 2>there's so many different ways to pursue this subject, and

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01:00:57.239 --> 01:01:00.360
<v Speaker 2>there's so many cool avenues of inquiry and that have

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01:01:00.440 --> 01:01:04.159
<v Speaker 2>never been thought of. And just to do what you

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<v Speaker 2>like to do in this field is its own reward

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<v Speaker 2>in my thought, you know, in my opinion. So, Chris,

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're doing great work. You're doing it for

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<v Speaker 2>the right reasons. You've got the primo spot.

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<v Speaker 1>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>It is fantastic. Where can people follow what you're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you have the YouTube channel, which of course

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01:01:20.880 --> 01:01:25.199
<v Speaker 2>is the links in the show notes here, But if

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<v Speaker 2>you're driving and you just want to write things down

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01:01:26.719 --> 01:01:29.719
<v Speaker 2>or something, it's Chris Spencer, Toodle River Valley, scook Them

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<v Speaker 2>anything else going on you want to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that's that's pretty much it. We're trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>the OP website updated more and more often and try

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<v Speaker 1>We're hopefully going to get links to my YouTube channel

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01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:48.079
<v Speaker 1>onto the OP website and as far as whenever we

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<v Speaker 1>get done, when West gets done with any kind of

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<v Speaker 1>statistical analysis, we'll be putting that up on the OP

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<v Speaker 1>website as well well.

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<v Speaker 2>Fantastic. I want to thank you for your time and

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<v Speaker 2>your research and all that stuff, and if you have time,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd love to talk to you. In our member section.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a little membership and of course for people

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01:02:06.280 --> 01:02:08.599
<v Speaker 2>who are listening and want to become a member. Basically

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<v Speaker 2>what you get. I mean, somebody was complaining I guess

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<v Speaker 2>this past week on social media we save all the

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<v Speaker 2>good stuff for our members, and I want to point

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<v Speaker 2>out that that is inaccurate. By the way, what members

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<v Speaker 2>get is extra stuff. We don't save all the good stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>We do occasionally post photographs or something on our members

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01:02:26.159 --> 01:02:27.719
<v Speaker 2>because there's no other place for us to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, just so you know, don't feel like

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<v Speaker 2>you're being cheated if you can't. You know, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to pay the five dollars a month or something

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<v Speaker 2>like that. Relax, everything's cool. You're our friend, We love you. You know,

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01:02:37.960 --> 01:02:41.760
<v Speaker 2>we're all BFFs here, bigfoot friends. Everything's cool. Don't worry

1122
01:02:41.760 --> 01:02:45.920
<v Speaker 2>about it. But you get extra stuff, not the best stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>Like we don't save the very very best stuff for

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01:02:47.920 --> 01:02:50.039
<v Speaker 2>people who give us five bucks a month. We just

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<v Speaker 2>give them more stuff. So don't think about it like that.

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<v Speaker 2>We're all friends here again, BFFs, bigfoot friends. That's us.

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<v Speaker 2>Cliff and Bobo are your best friends, best Bigfoot friends anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you want to become a member, go to

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<v Speaker 2>the website Bigfoot Beyond podcast dot com. Click the links

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<v Speaker 2>through the membership stuff goes to a Patreon deal. I

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<v Speaker 2>hear it's very popular. I hear that people are really

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<v Speaker 2>enjoying the extra stuff. And now we're going to disappear

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<v Speaker 2>and have Chris on for our membership section and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>talk about more stuff so thank you very much, Chris

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<v Speaker 2>for coming on, and everybody else out there, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>keep it squatchy. Thanks for listening to this week's episode

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01:03:40.039 --> 01:03:43.679
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1140
01:03:46.639 --> 01:03:50.760
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