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Speaker 5: And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay.
Speaker 2: Our guest is a big footer for many, many years.
Speaker 2: I know that I've interacted with this gentleman a couple
Speaker 2: of times before, and I think I've been in the field,
Speaker 2: but I can't. I don't know. I've been in the
Speaker 2: field with so many people. Now I'm gonna have to
Speaker 2: ask this gentleman here, Chris Spencer, if I've been in
Speaker 2: the field with them, because I don't even remember. That's
Speaker 2: how my life is, and honestly, that's more like how
Speaker 2: my memory is more than my life. My memory is
Speaker 2: pretty shoddy nowadays, which is why I try to write
Speaker 2: everything down. But Chris Spencer has been a big footer
Speaker 2: for a long time. He actually took a class from
Speaker 2: Grover Krantz at W I want to ask him about that.
Speaker 2: And he is a very active field guy. He's totally
Speaker 2: knee deep into or actually necty probably into field vocalizations
Speaker 2: and more. One of the key members of the Olympic Project,
Speaker 2: and I'm just so pleased to be able to talk
Speaker 2: to him. Thanks so much for quan on Bigfoot and beyond.
Speaker 1: Thanks Cliff. I actually I totally understand the memory thing.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm fried all the time. My mind's
Speaker 1: going all over the place. So we haven't been in
Speaker 1: the field together, but we've run into each other at
Speaker 1: conferences and stuff a number of times, and we have
Speaker 1: mutual friends.
Speaker 2: So see, I thought I ran into you at one
Speaker 2: of the Olympic Project gatherings. Although I haven't been on
Speaker 2: one of those for a couple of years now, I
Speaker 2: thought that you were around on one of those. But again,
Speaker 2: I meet so many people. I just have to and
Speaker 2: I'm not really good at people, you know, in a
Speaker 2: lot of ways, like trying to keep everybody straight, and
Speaker 2: names are like water in my hand that they just
Speaker 2: go straight through. But I always recognize a face, and
Speaker 2: I reckon, I know your face, so I just didn't
Speaker 2: know where I knew it from.
Speaker 1: Is all, no worries, man, I'm not a people person myself.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of in my own zone most of the time.
Speaker 2: So well, I think that that's one of the characteristics
Speaker 2: very often of a lot of field people feel like,
Speaker 2: you know, people who like to go out into the
Speaker 2: woods and put their boots on the ground, and we
Speaker 2: don't do that because we're we like to hang out
Speaker 2: with people. Generally, we do that because we like the
Speaker 2: solitude of the woods.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly. I just got back from the woods myself.
Speaker 2: So, oh, you were saying that on the on the
Speaker 2: pre show there. Before we get into your current field
Speaker 2: work and what your projects are, can we do a
Speaker 2: little introductory session for the people listening, because they may
Speaker 2: or may not know you. You're one of these people
Speaker 2: that I have great respect for. I hear a lot
Speaker 2: of good things about you from other people that I
Speaker 2: also respect in the field. And one of the characteristics
Speaker 2: of the people I respect the most is that they're
Speaker 2: not out there all the time putting you know, like
Speaker 2: Bobo and I. That's kind of how we make a living,
Speaker 2: putting our faces out in front of everybody. But you're
Speaker 2: not one of those people. You're out there kind of
Speaker 2: working quietly in the woods, behind the scenes, in a
Speaker 2: lot of places, a lot of situations, and I find
Speaker 2: that very very respectable. Of course, so I imagine most
Speaker 2: of our audience have not hasn't really heard of you
Speaker 2: too much either, So tell us a little bit about
Speaker 2: your background. I know you went to WSU and you
Speaker 2: met doctor Krantz apparently, was that where the interest was
Speaker 2: born or were you interested before that?
Speaker 1: Like most people, you know, I grew up in the seventies,
Speaker 1: so I saw in search of and that was where
Speaker 1: the interest probably started. But seriously thinking about it, didn't
Speaker 1: occur until I started college and had Grover for anthropology
Speaker 1: one oh one. Up to that point, you know, I
Speaker 1: was interested because I was I was always into dinosaur's history,
Speaker 1: the evolution of human beings. That's always fascinated me. And
Speaker 1: growing up, my parents actually had a cabin in Packwood, Washington,
Speaker 1: and me and my dad, when I was probably six
Speaker 1: or seven, did find some tracks. And I don't remember
Speaker 1: much about the tracks. I do remember my dad's reaction
Speaker 1: at the time, and I just remember his eyes kind
Speaker 1: of bulging out of his head and telling me to
Speaker 1: get in the truck. And that was my first I
Speaker 1: guess sasquatch experience. If that was indeed sasquatch tracks we found,
Speaker 1: all I know is it creaked my dad out. But yeah,
Speaker 1: going into the nineties, I started college in ninety one
Speaker 1: and then I had Grover for anthropology one O one
Speaker 1: the spring of ninety two. I had no idea he
Speaker 1: was connected to the Bigfoot phenomena at all until one
Speaker 1: day I walked into the lecture hall and on his
Speaker 1: table was the reconstructed skull of Gigantopithecus and a bunch
Speaker 1: of tracks. And to this day I wish I had
Speaker 1: had a tape recorder. I have the note somewhere in
Speaker 1: a box in my garage. But he basically covered the
Speaker 1: whole topic. I guess he would devote one lecture a
Speaker 1: semester to the topic of sasquatch. And up until that time,
Speaker 1: you know, I was eighteen, just turned eighteen. Really, sasquatch
Speaker 1: wasn't on my mind at that age, and my dad
Speaker 1: had always said that Patterson Gimblin film was just a
Speaker 1: guy in a suit. So I just kind of followed
Speaker 1: along with what my dad's thoughts were until that class.
Speaker 1: I can say when I left that lecture, I absolutely
Speaker 1: believed that was a real animal, and I had a
Speaker 1: totally different opinion of the subject. And I remember thinking
Speaker 1: at the time, like this is crazy. This is an
Speaker 1: actual scientist and he believes this is a real animal.
Speaker 1: That held a lot of weight for me, and he did.
Speaker 1: He actually had a copy of the Parison Gimblin film
Speaker 1: which he showed us over a film projector, and he
Speaker 1: went over all the reasons why he felt it was
Speaker 1: a real animal and just kind of opened my eyes
Speaker 1: to what was actually in the film. Of course, the
Speaker 1: quality of the film he showed us was better than
Speaker 1: what I ever saw on TV. So other than you know,
Speaker 1: I don't remember exact details, but that's that's where kind
Speaker 1: of my passion for the subject started. I didn't really
Speaker 1: dive into actual field research or anything like that after that,
Speaker 1: But after that class, that's when I pretty much made
Speaker 1: up my mind in my head is there is something
Speaker 1: to this and this is a real animal.
Speaker 2: What was the first time that you decided to do
Speaker 2: This is a weird way to say, up, but do
Speaker 2: something about that. You know that it's kind of a
Speaker 2: weird way to frame that question. But I think you
Speaker 2: hear the song I'm singing, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so you know after that, Yeah, I'd gotten
Speaker 1: a copy of his book Bigfootprints.
Speaker 2: Oh did you get him to sign it? By the way.
Speaker 1: Yes I did.
Speaker 2: Oh that's so cool. Good for you, man.
Speaker 1: I also bought a copy of I Think that he
Speaker 1: calls it dermals Cast. He talks about it in that book.
Speaker 1: I have a copy of that I bought from him.
Speaker 1: I didn't get him to sign that because I didn't
Speaker 1: think of it, but I have a Yeah, I have
Speaker 1: a copy of the dermals Cast from him, which is cool.
Speaker 1: But after that, you know, life went on, and it
Speaker 1: wasn't until twenty thirteen. You know, I followed this subject
Speaker 1: as much as anyone with watching documentaries and TV shows
Speaker 1: about it. In twenty thirteen, though, me and my son
Speaker 1: had an experience. My son was thirteen. It was a
Speaker 1: spring break and I bought him a Walmart two man
Speaker 1: tent and he really wanted to use it. And it
Speaker 1: was raining here. I'm in western Washington. It was raining
Speaker 1: quite a bit. So I told him, I was like,
Speaker 1: we'll jump on fourteen. We'll head east. And we came
Speaker 1: to Skamania count of Campground, which is right on the
Speaker 1: Columbia River, just past the wind River and it's only
Speaker 1: you know, four or five acres maybe, and it's just wooded,
Speaker 1: and you have Highway fourteen on one side of it.
Speaker 1: You have the river on the other side of it,
Speaker 1: and I think there's a baseball field there. But we
Speaker 1: pulled into that campground and this was April fifth. The
Speaker 1: campground had opened April first, and that year was a
Speaker 1: really cold year, so I know the snow levels were
Speaker 1: still down around two thousand feet and there were elk
Speaker 1: down at lower levels. And so we went into this
Speaker 1: campground and we were the only people there. I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure we were the first people there. And it was
Speaker 1: the campground itself around it, most of the woods was
Speaker 1: still pretty thick with just brushing vine maple. I think
Speaker 1: there's like salmon berry vines growing around. And anyways, we
Speaker 1: set up camp and we did a little walk around
Speaker 1: and we actually found I have a picture. I actually
Speaker 1: have it. I found a twist broken vine maple that
Speaker 1: had been pushed behind a tree, and under beneath it
Speaker 1: there was a there was like an eighteen by nine
Speaker 1: inch impression in the pine needles and you could see
Speaker 1: toes in It was pretty fresh. Actually have pictures of
Speaker 1: it somewhere. But we kind of was like, wow, this
Speaker 1: is really cool. Went off about our business. We went fishing,
Speaker 1: and we came back and it started kind of sprinkling.
Speaker 1: And that cheap, little two man tent didn't have a
Speaker 1: rain fly. So I had tarps in my jeep and
Speaker 1: I tied two small tarps over the top of it
Speaker 1: with paracord. We went to bed, and I woke up,
Speaker 1: you know, sometime after midnight hearing movement in the campground,
Speaker 1: and my first thought was elk. And just before I
Speaker 1: fell asleep, something grabbed those tarps and pulled on those tarps,
Speaker 1: and I sat up and I cussed, and it woke
Speaker 1: my son up, and I just told me it's all right,
Speaker 1: go back to sleep, and I'd laid back down. I
Speaker 1: was kind of thinking in my head. I'm like, did
Speaker 1: I hear what I really heard? And you know, the
Speaker 1: thought of that that track, we actually found several impressions
Speaker 1: that day. The thought of those impressions and that limb
Speaker 1: twist I were in my head and I was like,
Speaker 1: am I freaking myself out or something? And just as
Speaker 1: I was talking myself out of what I heard, it
Speaker 1: happened again, and that time I hit the panic button
Speaker 1: on my jeep and it lights flashed, horn honked, and anyways,
Speaker 1: I didn't sleep the rest of the night. I heard
Speaker 1: movement all night around around us, and I want to
Speaker 1: say it was around four am. I heard a knock
Speaker 1: and then everything kind of went quiet. I got up
Speaker 1: at that Before that I couldn't get out of ten.
Speaker 1: I was so scared. I got up, built up a fire,
Speaker 1: waited for my son to get up, and when he
Speaker 1: got out of the ten, I asked him, what did
Speaker 1: you hear last night? And he goes, I heard you cussing,
Speaker 1: and I heard the jeep horns and lights go off,
Speaker 1: and that's it. And then I told him what I heard,
Speaker 1: and he said, I don't want to stay here again tonight, Dad,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, we're not, and we packed up and left.
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Speaker 2: Well. Yeah, that whole area right right at the wind
Speaker 2: River Mouth area, I'm assuming that's where it was, is
Speaker 2: very very good. I mean, everywhere from Beacon Rock has
Speaker 2: just a ton of stuff At Beacon Rock. I've personally
Speaker 2: investigated two or three sidings in and around the town
Speaker 2: of Stevenson, which is right there. Of course, Dog Mountain
Speaker 2: is over that general direction. I've got a couple of
Speaker 2: things off of Dog Mountain as well, And of course
Speaker 2: I personally investigated footprints and sidings and a whole lot
Speaker 2: of historical stuff up the wind River Highway as well.
Speaker 2: Of course, and you know the Scamania County law that
Speaker 2: was passed in what seventy or seventy one or something,
Speaker 2: maybe sixty nine, were right in there on April Fool's Day,
Speaker 2: which is next week's anniversaries next week actually before we're
Speaker 2: recording this. It's it followed a bunch of stuff that
Speaker 2: happened up kind of near Panther Creek Campground and Bear
Speaker 2: Creek actually specifically, which included sheriffs and whatever going up
Speaker 2: and casting footprints and man that Yeah, that area is
Speaker 2: just thick with Bigfoot history. So I'm not very surprised
Speaker 2: at all, no matter how close you were to the
Speaker 2: fourteen that something may have happened that night.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I actually I went back there the next year
Speaker 1: and they'd actually cleaned up the campground, so all that
Speaker 1: thicker cover that was in the trees around the campground
Speaker 1: was cleaned up and you could see forever, so it
Speaker 1: had changed. I haven't been there in a long time,
Speaker 1: but I spent most of twenty fourteen just kind of
Speaker 1: looking at reports on the BF site and running around
Speaker 1: that area down there because of what had happened. And
Speaker 1: it just dawned on me that, you know, I need
Speaker 1: to go somewhere where there's where there's food. And I
Speaker 1: saw a report David Ellis had taken in two thousand
Speaker 1: and nine up by Mount Saint Helens, and I actually
Speaker 1: ended up going up there and starting to throw out
Speaker 1: audio recorders, maybe a mile from where that report was taken,
Speaker 1: and sure enough, I actually recorded some suspicious stuff and
Speaker 1: started talking to David a lot about it, and that
Speaker 1: was an area that I investigated un till about twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: and since then I've been mainly working with the Olympic Project,
Speaker 1: basically with Shane up in the Nest area.
Speaker 2: Gotcha, So how far is it to the general air?
Speaker 2: I mean, and I know where the nest is, but
Speaker 2: nobody else says and people shouldn't know. So it takes
Speaker 2: you what about from there? Probably about two hours for
Speaker 2: you hour two and a half hours.
Speaker 1: Two and a half hours, about two and a half hours.
Speaker 2: And it's not that bad of a john. Okay, that's good.
Speaker 2: So that's where that's your main site of research these days.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's about I'll have time for right now. You know.
Speaker 1: I get together with other researchers from other groups, both
Speaker 1: to me, Shane and and Todd. We go, we go
Speaker 1: meet up with other people in other areas and do
Speaker 1: some campouts every year, but mainly at least once a
Speaker 1: month as much as we can. We're kind of up
Speaker 1: in the Nest area. So that's honestly, you know. I
Speaker 1: It's one of those things is I've been monitoring that
Speaker 1: area with long term audio for two years now, and
Speaker 1: I know they're a sasquatch there, so I really don't
Speaker 1: have any reason to go somewhere else, and I really
Speaker 1: want to learn more about that area, and it just
Speaker 1: that's where most of my attention is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, there's only so many hours in the day,
Speaker 2: and it sounds that you have a family and all
Speaker 2: that sort of stuff too. Yeah, you have to make
Speaker 2: a use what time you have, you know. Yep, very good,
Speaker 2: So you just said it. But what year did you
Speaker 2: start getting involved with the Olympic project and the nest
Speaker 2: site specifically?
Speaker 1: In twenty seventeen, Me and Shane had been going out
Speaker 1: camping in other areas and we'd become friends. In twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: he actually invited me into the nest area, and I
Speaker 1: want to say it was twenty actually twenty twenty right
Speaker 1: after him, he and Todd walked in on a nest
Speaker 1: being built. He asked me to come out and start
Speaker 1: putting some of my long, long term audio recorders out there.
Speaker 1: And so the first audio recorder I put out there
Speaker 1: was right after that. I want to say it was
Speaker 1: three weeks after they walked in on that nest bill
Speaker 1: and then in twenty twenty one, I don't know if
Speaker 1: you're familiar with Wes Liam from Squat from Metrics, He's
Speaker 1: his thing is statistical analysis. And me and him were
Speaker 1: talking and he's like, wouldn't it be cool to log
Speaker 1: all the sounds from dust till dawn for as many
Speaker 1: nights as we could get in there? And I was like,
Speaker 1: let's do it. So I actually invested some money into
Speaker 1: some SM four recorders, which is put out by Wildlife Bioacoustics.
Speaker 1: These are recorders that actual scientists use, actual wildlife biologists
Speaker 1: use to study other animals, and it allows you to record.
Speaker 1: I mean they'll hold two one terabyte SD cards in them,
Speaker 1: so if you have the power, you have the you
Speaker 1: could actually record for months on end if that's what
Speaker 1: you wanted to do. And so I set them up
Speaker 1: so they were I basically get about fifty nights at
Speaker 1: him at a time with each one, and we're up
Speaker 1: there more than that. I don't like letting the recorders
Speaker 1: go that long because it gets built up for review.
Speaker 1: But we set up these long term recorders around the
Speaker 1: nest area, one over by where the new one was
Speaker 1: found and one in between, and one where they original
Speaker 1: nests were found, and just basically started logging everything from
Speaker 1: dusk till dawn, and I basically review audio and then
Speaker 1: I punch it all into a spreadsheet send it to Wes.
Speaker 1: And we haven't done the full analysis yet. I just
Speaker 1: finished reviewing twenty twenty two. I actually got every single
Speaker 1: night recorded in twenty twenty two, twenty twenty one, I
Speaker 1: got fifty eight percent of nights, and he did a
Speaker 1: light analysis. That light analysis is on the OP website
Speaker 1: for anyone that wants to look at it. And as
Speaker 1: soon as I get everything logged, probably this summer, he'll
Speaker 1: start doing a more in depth analysis for twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: So you said fifty eight percent of the nights, so
Speaker 2: you had some sort of activity that you would identify
Speaker 2: as sasquatch.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, no, no. Fifty eight percent
Speaker 1: of nights for twenty twenty one were recorded. I'm just
Speaker 1: talking about how many knights are recorded. The stats for
Speaker 1: that or in the light version that's west made public
Speaker 1: on the OP site last year. But we're there. We
Speaker 1: were finding that there was a lot more suspicious sound
Speaker 1: activity than we ever expected going into it. Me and Shane,
Speaker 1: we've always assumed that they were only there at a
Speaker 1: specific time of year when the when the thought was
Speaker 1: the nests were being built. But what we found is
Speaker 1: they're passing through the area pretty regularly. And it I
Speaker 1: mean the in the wintertime of course, with weather and stuff.
Speaker 1: And just because you don't record a suspicious sound doesn't
Speaker 1: mean the absence of the animal. But on a regular base,
Speaker 1: it's usually about every three nights, every three to four nights,
Speaker 1: we get some kind of suspicious activity. And and what
Speaker 1: I do with the spreadsheet, I'm not saying that everything
Speaker 1: is sasquatch and I'm in the spreadsheet, everything's logged as
Speaker 1: unknown or ambiguous, and ambiguous is usually something that is
Speaker 1: too distant to really make an identification on. And it
Speaker 1: could be it could be an unknown which we assume
Speaker 1: woul might possibly be a sasquatch because of other things happening.
Speaker 1: Usually there's not just vocalizations. There's gonna be percussive sounds.
Speaker 1: And I want to also say they don't make a
Speaker 1: lot of noise, so it's not like there's a ton
Speaker 1: of noise going on and we're getting all these vocalizations
Speaker 1: and percussives all the time. That's not happening. But on
Speaker 1: a fairly regular basis there seems to be a present
Speaker 1: in the area.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking at the report right now, which of
Speaker 2: course is on olympicproject dot com. That's under the I
Speaker 2: think the new editions or something like that in recent editions,
Speaker 2: something to that effect right now. And I love what
Speaker 2: you guys have done. You've I'm looking at the page
Speaker 2: right now where all the different species that you've been
Speaker 2: able to identify so far have been tallied, and you
Speaker 2: have right there unknown and also ambiguous, which I think
Speaker 2: is a totally fruitful category to be putting a lot
Speaker 2: of these things in because you may not know. And
Speaker 2: one question that I know this over you hear in
Speaker 2: the right gunshots, here's a question for you. How does
Speaker 2: one differentiate between gunshots and wood knocks.
Speaker 1: Well, I've been reviewing Inspectrogram since twenty fifteen, and I've
Speaker 1: done a lot of knocking experiments with my recorders. But
Speaker 1: I've also talking with David Ellis and I've gotten a
Speaker 1: lot of help from David Ellis and min Agahela on
Speaker 1: all my audio. I've learned a lot from both of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're both I go to guys for audio stuff.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely. But if you look at gunshots and spectrogram,
Speaker 1: there's actually you'll see they'll be running usually down the
Speaker 1: full range of frequencies, and there's usually a little pop
Speaker 1: before the actual explosion of the gunshot. And the signature
Speaker 1: itself looks once you've seen it enough, it looks totally
Speaker 1: different from let's say a rock on rock or wood
Speaker 1: on wood. It's hard for me to articulate, but when
Speaker 1: I see it, I just I know it. I've when
Speaker 1: I first started, I actually went out. I took one
Speaker 1: of my recorders and I measured out ninety foot increments,
Speaker 1: so thirty five yard increments, and I would hit a
Speaker 1: tree with wood on wood, do rock on wood, and
Speaker 1: do rock on rock out to about one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty yards, just to see what those sounds looked like
Speaker 1: on my recorder in a spectrogram, and also kind of
Speaker 1: to get an idea of how close these things were
Speaker 1: occurring to my recorder.
Speaker 2: That's a good answer, because what you told me in
Speaker 2: a nutshell is that they looked at for on a spectrograph,
Speaker 2: and you've done experiments as a calibration marker. I guess
Speaker 2: to see what knocks sound like, various kinds of knocks too,
Speaker 2: wood on wood and rock on rock and a bunch
Speaker 2: of other stuff like that, And certainly, I guess you
Speaker 2: can always do more experimentation if you choose, but that's
Speaker 2: a really good foundation on which you can build and
Speaker 2: do some differentiation here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, because I don't shut the door on any sound.
Speaker 1: It's sound unless you actually see the sound being created,
Speaker 1: you can't really say exactly what it is, but you
Speaker 1: can make some pretty good educated guesses.
Speaker 2: Are there sounds on the Olympic Project website that people
Speaker 2: can listen.
Speaker 1: To that's in the works. Shane's trying to get those
Speaker 1: put up there. I do have a YouTube channel. It
Speaker 1: was my personal YouTube channel, but I have stuff from
Speaker 1: the Nest area on it now. I have some vocalizations
Speaker 1: we call it singing vocalizations. We have some whistles. Most
Speaker 1: of my YouTube though, I have known animal because I'm
Speaker 1: constantly I want people to really look at the sounds
Speaker 1: when instead of everything's as sasquatch when they record it,
Speaker 1: to actually do some investigations. So I get sent audio
Speaker 1: a lot, and so the the main contributors to that audio.
Speaker 1: I try to put up examples of it, such as
Speaker 1: Bardou and Kyote and giving different examples of those animals
Speaker 1: because individual animals, individual animals within those species will create
Speaker 1: their own noise and they will sound they have a
Speaker 1: wide range, and they will sound screwing. And so there's
Speaker 1: a lot of different vocalizations done by known animals that
Speaker 1: are constantly, constantly being mistaken for sasquatch. So that's what
Speaker 1: my YouTube's a lot of that is about. I put
Speaker 1: up non animal sounds. I have like crows, crow talking,
Speaker 1: crow knocking, because crows will actually make a percussive sound
Speaker 1: with their mouths. And my YouTube channel it does have
Speaker 1: unknown sounds that I attribute to sasquatch that were recorded
Speaker 1: in the nest area. One in particular we called chimpfit
Speaker 1: because it literally sounds like chimpanzees.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw that there was a spectrograph in the
Speaker 2: in the paper you guys have published on this particular vocalization.
Speaker 2: Is that right?
Speaker 1: Yes, that one. It's not the best recording because it
Speaker 1: was actually recorded with one of my homemade long term
Speaker 1: audio units, but it's profound because in spectrogram there's no
Speaker 1: way you can mistake this for an owl or coyote signature.
Speaker 1: It's its own signature. And I actually pulled some chimpanzee
Speaker 1: vocalizations off the McCaulay Library sound to do comparison, and
Speaker 1: it resembles chimpanzee vocalizations. Is specifically chimpanzees that were getting
Speaker 1: excited when they were seeing their zookeepers come to them,
Speaker 1: knowing that the zookeepers would have food, and the whole
Speaker 1: structure of what happened in the nest of that those
Speaker 1: vocalizations were not exactly the same as chimpanzee but really
Speaker 1: profoundly close. Basically, what you had was in the nest
Speaker 1: area an individual doing some high pitched whooping that built
Speaker 1: up into a scream, actually two screams. There was another
Speaker 1: individual distant making some noise, and then a third individual
Speaker 1: doing very low pant hoots after the screamer screamed, and
Speaker 1: I found two in the McCaulay library. So I found
Speaker 1: several chimpanzee situations where you had a female chimpanzee getting
Speaker 1: excited in a male chimpanzee doing very low pant hoots,
Speaker 1: and both of them would build up into a scream.
Speaker 1: And it was I do a whole YouTube breakdown of
Speaker 1: it on my channel, and it to me, it was
Speaker 1: like it's profound just because you can't miss it. This
Speaker 1: is primate. Whatever I recorded in the Nest areas primate,
Speaker 1: and it sounds a lot like chimpanzee.
Speaker 2: And for those people listening out there, his YouTube page
Speaker 2: is Chris Spencer Toodle River Valley skuok him. I typed him.
Speaker 2: Chris Spencer came up right away. But for those who
Speaker 2: are a little bit more technically challenged, in case Bobo's
Speaker 2: listening and he wants to try to go find this
Speaker 2: YouTube page, you can just click the link in the
Speaker 2: show notes. Okay, So some of the other findings of
Speaker 2: your focus on the Nest site, what time of year
Speaker 2: or let me ask you this, is there a time
Speaker 2: of year that they seem to be more vocal in
Speaker 2: the area.
Speaker 1: Just for me reviewing, not going by any statistical analysis
Speaker 1: that Wes has done yet. And what's funny is when
Speaker 1: I give over the spreadsheets, Wes finds things that I
Speaker 1: don't see. And I'm reviewing this stuff, but you know, basically,
Speaker 1: fall is a big time. That period between August and
Speaker 1: October this year at least was seemed to be quite
Speaker 1: a bit and springtime it's actually doesn't prize of me
Speaker 1: because as far as vocalizations go. That's kind of what
Speaker 1: I found in the area I was investigating near Saint Helens.
Speaker 1: And I mind you, when I was doing that, I
Speaker 1: was only maybe recording three or four nights a week.
Speaker 1: I wasn't recording every night, but it seemed to be
Speaker 1: more vocalizations in the spring and in the fall, but
Speaker 1: in the necessary one thing, Like I said, there's there's
Speaker 1: been activity pretty much year round. I wouldn't. They're actively
Speaker 1: walking through that particular those there's several ravines there. As
Speaker 1: you know you've been there. They're actively walking through there
Speaker 1: on a really regular basis. They're not like disappearing for
Speaker 1: months on end. They're still there. They're utilizing that area.
Speaker 1: And actually, right now, that's kind of our focus right
Speaker 1: now is we've got this audio, we've got an idea
Speaker 1: of where a lot of the sounds we've recorded are
Speaker 1: coming from, and we're actively looking for physical evidence of
Speaker 1: their travels. And we actually we found some physical evidence tuesday.
Speaker 1: I'm actually really excited right now. It's an exciting time
Speaker 1: because it's one thing to capture this audio, but then
Speaker 1: to have some kind of confirming evidence that yes, indeed
Speaker 1: you're recording something there should be physical evidence. If a
Speaker 1: sasquatch is making these noises, and you know you've been
Speaker 1: in the nest area, there's going to be physical evidence there.
Speaker 1: They've got to be causing some kind of damage to
Speaker 1: the environment that we can find. And that's kind of
Speaker 1: our focus right now is I'm slowing down on the
Speaker 1: audio and now we're focused on really getting in there
Speaker 1: and exploring around and looking for that physical evidence.
Speaker 2: And can you tell us what sort of physical evidence
Speaker 2: you came across on Tuesday?
Speaker 1: So we look for huckleberry breaks, and I'll go back
Speaker 1: a little bit. In twenty twenty one. Shane had gone
Speaker 1: into the area by himself and you noticed some fresh
Speaker 1: huckleberry breaks from the logging road that when off towards
Speaker 1: one of these ravines. Well, myself, Rebecca and Todd came
Speaker 1: in with him a week or so later, and we
Speaker 1: did some hiking and we found that there was these
Speaker 1: trails of broken huckleberries ranging from four feet high up
Speaker 1: to the highest seven feet up. The branches broken off
Speaker 1: and discarded on the ground, and all the bushes had
Speaker 1: berries on them, but the branches that were broken off
Speaker 1: and discarded on the ground were lacking berries. None of
Speaker 1: the branches had tooth marks or claw marks or cut marks,
Speaker 1: and some of them were quite large. Some of them
Speaker 1: were an inch and a half in diameter. Twists broke
Speaker 1: off and like I said, stripped of berries. And on
Speaker 1: top of this, Todd Hill actually located where they had
Speaker 1: crossed one of the logging roads from They were traveling
Speaker 1: from one ravine to the other ravine and they had
Speaker 1: crossed one of these logging roads, and we found several
Speaker 1: sets of impressions. Was about a seventeen inch in length.
Speaker 1: I can't remember the width, but Todd took a he
Speaker 1: has both of us now have the Scandy pro app
Speaker 1: on our phones, and he took a scan of it.
Speaker 1: It's one of those deals we kick ourselves. Now, we
Speaker 1: should have cast it. We did not. I don't think
Speaker 1: we had any casting material with us. But it was
Speaker 1: a really good impression where you can see that you
Speaker 1: would know better that mid push up, that breaking point
Speaker 1: where the flexibility of the foot where they kind of
Speaker 1: has a push up bridge in the middle of it,
Speaker 1: and you can see toe detail in it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so we've got these huckleberry brakes and this was a
Speaker 1: lot of damage. It wasn't just like a few here
Speaker 1: and there. This was like a clear trail of multiple
Speaker 1: animals going through the huckleberry for over one hundred yards
Speaker 1: from one ravine to the other end. It was just
Speaker 1: so obvious they were stripping the berries off and just
Speaker 1: discarding the branches. Now fast forward to the last Tuesday,
Speaker 1: this one particular ravine over the ravine that the new
Speaker 1: nest was found on. Further I would say, further to
Speaker 1: the west of that, we decided to explore an area
Speaker 1: that no one has explored before, and that's where a
Speaker 1: lot of the sound we believe was coming from. We
Speaker 1: fought our way into it and it was a fight.
Speaker 1: It was. It was brutal. I know both Shane and
Speaker 1: I have mentioned many times in the past how brutal
Speaker 1: it is in there, but this was worse than ever
Speaker 1: in thickness of huckleberry. And we got to this one
Speaker 1: area where stuff started clearing out and we started finding
Speaker 1: these breaks and the the Once again, it was the
Speaker 1: same scenario. You had huckleberry ranging from four feet up
Speaker 1: to all the way up to seven feet broken off,
Speaker 1: twist broke, pulled, broke, and it was older and me
Speaker 1: and Shane kind of figured this happened last fall. This
Speaker 1: was they were in here feet last fall and you
Speaker 1: could see trails that had been mashed down where something
Speaker 1: large and been walking through the area. Shane actually got
Speaker 1: we got a lot of video of it, but Shane
Speaker 1: took a really cool video. He found one branch that
Speaker 1: it was an inch and half piece of huckleberry maybe
Speaker 1: two feet long, hanging out of a cedar tree like
Speaker 1: it had been just tossed over someone's shoulder. Then at least
Speaker 1: that's what I envisioned my head. But it was exciting
Speaker 1: because it was the same thing we found in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one, and we figure it happened probably about the
Speaker 1: same time in twenty twenty two looking at the age
Speaker 1: of the breaks that it was probably about six months
Speaker 1: ago and it was obvious feeding feeding behavior in our opinion.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back after these messages and the next
Speaker 2: This is like a sponge that you continue to squeeze
Speaker 2: and get a little bit more water every single time
Speaker 2: out of it's kind of a neat situation. Any news
Speaker 2: on them logging it or when shutting you guys out
Speaker 2: on that.
Speaker 1: That's last I heard was they didn't have any permits
Speaker 1: to log it. But that's one of our concerns, and
Speaker 1: that's why we're trying to do as much as we
Speaker 1: can exploring this year. We're actively looking at areas connected
Speaker 1: to the nest area to move into and search. But
Speaker 1: this area particularly, we want to, like you said, go
Speaker 1: in there because it I mean, there could be stuff
Speaker 1: five feet away from you you wouldn't see unless you
Speaker 1: walked right up on top of it. But as far
Speaker 1: as them logging it, we don't know. But I do
Speaker 1: know this. There's some new surveyor tape on one of
Speaker 1: the ravines that wasn't there the year before, So I
Speaker 1: know that the timber surveyors are starting to survey, which
Speaker 1: is an indication that there's going to be some logging
Speaker 1: in the future, hopefully not soon, but I don't know yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was kind of a big area too, though.
Speaker 2: Imagine they can log one area and just push them
Speaker 2: somewhere else for a little while and you can just
Speaker 2: change your focus in there. But you know, I would
Speaker 2: have to agree that, like my work in my field,
Speaker 2: areas are indicating one of the things that you mentioned
Speaker 2: that is kind of goes against the grain. I guess
Speaker 2: of what a lot of people have assumed for a
Speaker 2: long time and big for research, and that is that
Speaker 2: I strongly believe now that they stay in the same
Speaker 2: area pretty much all the time. And mind you, that
Speaker 2: area might be very large, and I know the nest
Speaker 2: site area in the surrounding area it's very large area.
Speaker 2: But my area is ten miles by ten miles probably,
Speaker 2: And oh that sounds it's not a really big area.
Speaker 2: But I mean, you know, in the words of Stephen right,
Speaker 2: it's a small world. But I wouldn't want to paint
Speaker 2: it right. Yeah, it's a tremendously large area when you're
Speaker 2: walking through the brush and trying to find minuscule trace
Speaker 2: evidence of something with big, soft, padded feet moving by.
Speaker 2: But so far, one of my areas has yielded footprints
Speaker 2: and casts five eight times now, actually longer than that
Speaker 2: because other people have been working it too. But it's
Speaker 2: all from the same area and it doesn't matter what
Speaker 2: time of year. The only thing that we're noticing is
Speaker 2: that it happens about once every three months. That's when
Speaker 2: we stumble across something. That doesn't mean they're not there otherwise,
Speaker 2: but that's just when I happen to get we happen
Speaker 2: to get lucky. And so far the pattern is once
Speaker 2: every three months we're walking away with something like a cup,
Speaker 2: a footprint cast or two. But obviously they're they're more
Speaker 2: often than that. So again I think that this idea
Speaker 2: that they migrate or they've all moved to the coast
Speaker 2: or or you know all that stuff. I just think
Speaker 2: it's if they don't have to move, they won't. Why
Speaker 2: would they.
Speaker 1: I one hundred percent agree with you, And I've heard
Speaker 1: you talk about what you're doing, and I'm always like, yeah,
Speaker 1: And if you look at the nest aary there's food wise,
Speaker 1: there is absolutely no reason for them to travel. There's none.
Speaker 1: I mean, there are so many different opportunities there. Why
Speaker 1: would you travel if you didn't have to? And the
Speaker 1: thick cover have the cover to conceal themselves and operate
Speaker 1: without being noticed by humans.
Speaker 2: And they also have that benefit of private land. It's
Speaker 2: logging land, but it's private land. And that's the case
Speaker 2: in one of my areas as well. The national forests
Speaker 2: that we go on borders logging land essentially, and we
Speaker 2: have a permit for that logging land. So now we
Speaker 2: can go on there, and we've started doing so. But nonetheless,
Speaker 2: all of our best stuff is coming either right at
Speaker 2: the border, like on the Forest Service land, or just
Speaker 2: across the border into the Warehouser land in this case. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I don't think they're moving very far. And one
Speaker 2: of the other things I've noticed from the Squatdronmetrics paper
Speaker 2: that you have published is something else that was pointed
Speaker 2: out to me twenty years ago by Kathy Strain, is
Speaker 2: that there's something going on with coyotes. There's just something
Speaker 2: going on. Can you talk about what you've been learning
Speaker 2: from your studies of listening to vocalizations about the connection,
Speaker 2: the possible probable in my opinion, connection between sasquatches and coyotes.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's one of my favorite things. So kyriees they
Speaker 1: live in family groups and the alpha it's basically the
Speaker 1: alpha male and alpha female and their children. That's basically
Speaker 1: a kyote pack. And when a larger predator comes in
Speaker 1: the area, usually the alpha male will do what I
Speaker 1: call a warning location call, where he kind of does
Speaker 1: that kill deer thing where he brings attention to himself
Speaker 1: while warning his family that there's something bigger in the areas.
Speaker 1: Such as a cougar, because cougars actively hunt coyotes. And
Speaker 1: one thing I noticed that the call is basically it
Speaker 1: can be a scream how a scream yodel, or like
Speaker 1: scream barking, and the kyote will do this, you know,
Speaker 1: for seconds up to I've recorded it for hours where
Speaker 1: the kyote is running around doing this call all night long.
Speaker 1: And we noticed on nights that we were getting suspect activity,
Speaker 1: the coyote in that area was making the coyote warning
Speaker 1: call the same time and within if not the same night,
Speaker 1: but within a twenty four hour period of picking up
Speaker 1: suspect sounds, there's kyote warning location calls going off. I
Speaker 1: think the night that chimp fit was recorded, there were
Speaker 1: sixteen other suspicious vocalizations, but there were seventeen kyoute warning
Speaker 1: calls and in some cases that kyote went on for
Speaker 1: an hour straight scream barking and scream howling. There's absolutely
Speaker 1: a connection to kyotes in my opinion.
Speaker 2: Do you have any speculations as to what that might be.
Speaker 1: Well, I would suggest that sasquatch would be a bigger
Speaker 1: predator than kyote, and the coyotes probably not wanting to
Speaker 1: interact with that sasquatch and wants his family to know
Speaker 1: there's a sasquatch in the area.
Speaker 2: Okay, So you think that is just kind of coincidence
Speaker 2: that the sasquatches and coyotes are in the same area
Speaker 2: and the kyotes are just giving a heads up that
Speaker 2: they're around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think because I get kyote vocalizations regular, just
Speaker 1: howling or the pack in the pups, especially in the spring,
Speaker 1: you'll get the pups going off and just you're you know,
Speaker 1: when you have multiple kyouts going off, howling, yipping and yodling,
Speaker 1: that's that's common. And then when it's the warning call,
Speaker 1: is always a single kyote making that house scream. And
Speaker 1: you know, actually I get the house scream gets sent
Speaker 1: to me. People think that's bigfoot all the time, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, that's kyot. And like I said earlier,
Speaker 1: different animals, individual animals within a species can make different
Speaker 1: sounding calls. And I've got kyotes that I have really
Speaker 1: deep voices and kaouts that have really high voices, and
Speaker 1: they they all do that scream how And some people
Speaker 1: mistake that how for sasquatch quite a bit. Actually, it's
Speaker 1: kind of a running joke. It's always like, what do
Speaker 1: you think it is, Chris, and is like coyote when
Speaker 1: I get sent audio bit that I think what's happening
Speaker 1: is the kyotes are there, they're running doing whatever they're
Speaker 1: doing as kyotes, and when our target subjects are coming
Speaker 1: into the area, that alpha male is letting the rest
Speaker 1: of the pack know that the target subjects in the area.
Speaker 1: You know, I could be wrong. It could be because
Speaker 1: there's a cougar in the area. But when you look
Speaker 1: at it from a statistical standpoint, as West has, every
Speaker 1: time I've logged a suspicious vocalization and suspicious percussives is
Speaker 1: within twenty four hours twelve hours each side of those occurring,
Speaker 1: if not right after those occur, I'm getting kyote warning calls.
Speaker 2: Well, it makes sense, I think, you know, because no
Speaker 2: matter how good a recorder you have, it only picks
Speaker 2: up so far, and those coyotes would have to be
Speaker 2: in the same general area as in the suspicious possible
Speaker 2: sasquatch noises as well, which actually brings some brings a
Speaker 2: question up as far as maybe calibration or just for
Speaker 2: your own purposes, have you figured have you recorded vocalizations
Speaker 2: because you said you have more than one recorder out
Speaker 2: in the area. Have you recorded a vocalization on both
Speaker 2: recorders at the same time, Yes, I have you have? Okay, okay?
Speaker 2: Does that help you place where they might be coming from?
Speaker 1: Absolutely?
Speaker 2: How do you? How do you do that?
Speaker 1: Well? You can inspectro Graham. You can see the strength
Speaker 1: of the signature, how hard it's hitting on it, and
Speaker 1: when it's let's say that my long term recorder in
Speaker 1: Nest eary three, that's one of our designated areas I've
Speaker 1: picked up. We get a lot of scream roars. That's
Speaker 1: one of the vocals we get. I've picked up scream
Speaker 1: roar closer to it, while also picking it up over
Speaker 1: by the old Nest area further away. And also when
Speaker 1: I placed my recorders, all my recorders are running on
Speaker 1: stereo mics. I can see each channel for each recorder
Speaker 1: in the spectrogram which Mike is picking up that signal strongest.
Speaker 1: So I can kind of figure out, Okay, I know
Speaker 1: when I place my recorders, I place the mics are
Speaker 1: either pointed north, south or east west. I try to
Speaker 1: orient them so I know what direction each mic has pointed,
Speaker 1: so I can start putting a picture together where those
Speaker 1: vocals are coming from. So I got this vocals it's
Speaker 1: in Nestary three closer uh, and it's hitting on the
Speaker 1: right mic, which is pointed north, So that means it's
Speaker 1: actually in between Nestary three and another recording area we
Speaker 1: call fresh camp or have another recorder, so it gives
Speaker 1: me a rough idea where the vocals are coming from.
Speaker 2: By doing this, have you noticed that the vocalizations continue
Speaker 2: to come from the same general areas.
Speaker 1: Yes, there, I've actually moved recorders into areas because of
Speaker 1: that to try to capture closer vocalizations. It sounds messed up,
Speaker 1: but they find my recorders, they know my recorders are there.
Speaker 1: And there's one place where I had actually stuck it
Speaker 1: deep in the ravine where I knew most of the
Speaker 1: vocalizations were coming from, and they shut up, but they
Speaker 1: started power knocking next to that recorder. They would go
Speaker 1: by that recorder and do a slam grand home run
Speaker 1: next to that recorder versus making any kind of vocalization.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of sounds like maybe it's a heads
Speaker 2: up or something like that. Yeah, one of the things
Speaker 2: I've noticed over the years, And I'd like to know
Speaker 2: your thoughts on This is a lot of times, and
Speaker 2: I'm not the only person who's notices. I don't think
Speaker 2: when you first show up, or when somebody leaves an
Speaker 2: area and leave somebody behind, that's when they tend to knock,
Speaker 2: right m hmm absolutely, okay, yeah, so, which gives me
Speaker 2: some sort of comfort in speculating that that would be
Speaker 2: a hey, something's changed, or hey, something's unusual. There's something's
Speaker 2: going on here, pay attention, which might go well with this.
Speaker 2: When you move your recorder into an area, they do
Speaker 2: a couple of power knocks just to let you know,
Speaker 2: let other people know. It's just like coyotes doing they're
Speaker 2: not or do not not knocks, but you know they're
Speaker 2: calls like something's up called.
Speaker 1: I always say when people contact me, you want to
Speaker 1: start doing this type of stuff the long term recording.
Speaker 1: I pretty much everywhere that I've ever done this, at
Speaker 1: some point in time, whether the sasquatch are seeing me
Speaker 1: going back and forth through the recorder, over time, they
Speaker 1: figure out there's something there and there's going to be
Speaker 1: a power knock, if not on the tree next to it,
Speaker 1: there's going to be some kind of acknowledgment of it.
Speaker 1: And I just take it as stupid human thing right here.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Speaker 2: Will be right back after these messages. Yeah, so to
Speaker 2: those ends, I know, there's not a lot of stupid
Speaker 2: human things out in the nest site area, but there
Speaker 2: are a couple. There are some human things out there.
Speaker 2: There's some structures, for example, and gates, and probably a
Speaker 2: handful of other things. I haven't even run across yet,
Speaker 2: power line poles or something. I know there's bound to
Speaker 2: be a couple of things. Have you thought about hanging
Speaker 2: technology on or around those not?
Speaker 1: At this point, we basically have been focusing on the
Speaker 1: ravines where the nests were originally found in. But actually,
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny. Yesterday we tried to go to
Speaker 1: the one structure you're talking about. I think you visited
Speaker 1: it with Shane at one point, and we got some
Speaker 1: wild dogs chased us off.
Speaker 2: Basically, yeah, man, who knows who's living in that thing? Man?
Speaker 2: Because somebody is.
Speaker 3: Sometimes it was a little bit scary. Oh yeah, No,
Speaker 3: I've and I've gotten you know, I've recorded some percussives,
Speaker 3: not a lot, but I've recorded a few percussives that
Speaker 3: were on seem to be on metal, and whether they're
Speaker 3: on the on the gates or not, that there seems
Speaker 3: to be some hitting of metal at some points in time.
Speaker 3: Whether that's our target subjects or not, I don't know that.
Speaker 2: Oh that that brings up another question. I like to
Speaker 2: ask people like yourself who are kind of like the
Speaker 2: sound nerds, you know, have you recorded other sounds that
Speaker 2: are completely out of place? The one I always bring up,
Speaker 2: or card door slamming, because I've heard it myself, I've
Speaker 2: been with people who've heard it. Bobo's heard it. ANYWAC
Speaker 2: guys have heard it down at Area X. It seems
Speaker 2: to be something having to do with sasquatches, probably some
Speaker 2: sort of imitation that they make. I'm guessing at this point,
Speaker 2: have you recorded any unusual sounds that you have a
Speaker 2: sneaking suspicion might be sasquatches, even though it doesn't sound
Speaker 2: like that. Besides, and of course you just mentioned one,
Speaker 2: but anything else.
Speaker 1: As far as like if you're percussive. Never gotten anything
Speaker 1: like a car door I've heard of that one before,
Speaker 1: but I've never gotten anything like that. I've gotten some
Speaker 1: odd vocals that kind of made me pause. But nothing
Speaker 1: that I would think they were mimicking anything.
Speaker 2: Okay, now you mentioned singing though, like that suspicious singing,
Speaker 2: and that of course on your website. Oh it's even
Speaker 2: called suspicious singing now that I look at it. What
Speaker 2: a coincidence? Do you think that might be a sasquatch?
Speaker 1: Oh? Absolutely, I call it. See I've always called those
Speaker 1: vocalizations high low vocals. You'll usually have a vocalizer hitting
Speaker 1: really low on the Hurtz range and then a responding vocalizer.
Speaker 1: It's arguable whether it's the same vocalizer or not. I
Speaker 1: think it's two different individuals hitting really high notes. And
Speaker 1: that's been recorded not only in the necess area, that's
Speaker 1: been recorded in other areas. I've talked with Managa Halo
Speaker 1: about it. David has has gotten the same kind of
Speaker 1: vocalizations from other areas. Kirk Brandenberg recorded something similar in
Speaker 1: an area of interest, and I've always called him high low,
Speaker 1: but Monogahala and David call him singing vocalizations. So that's
Speaker 1: why I've been referring to him as singing vocalizations. Now,
Speaker 1: I mean some of them, I don't know human that
Speaker 1: would do that kind of vocalization. I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: it couldn't be done. That's one thing I always tell people.
Speaker 1: The biggest worry when I'm recording is the human contamination,
Speaker 1: because no matter what anyone says, human beings can make
Speaker 1: most the sounds that sasquatch make, and vice versa. So
Speaker 1: I'm always really worried about human beings in the area
Speaker 1: making vocalizations when I'm recording. But that that sing song
Speaker 1: high low or low high vocals, there's a brassy tone
Speaker 1: to them. There's a deep almost echoing with it. I
Speaker 1: can't articulate it as well as David Elis says, but
Speaker 1: it's just they're odd.
Speaker 2: Well, you know it says it's on your website, it's
Speaker 2: the YouTube channel here. Why don't we play it for
Speaker 2: our listeners. They can put their ears on it and
Speaker 2: hear what we're talking about here. That's interesting setting, very
Speaker 2: almost whistley in a way, but not quite. What software
Speaker 2: do you use for your work here?
Speaker 1: I used Audacity. I used the spectrogram in Audacity. I
Speaker 1: originally start out with Sonic Visualizer, and then you know,
Speaker 1: most of the stuff I was finding in Sonic Visualizer
Speaker 1: I would clip anyways in Audacity, so I switched over
Speaker 1: to a dasty. Also, I started talking with Monoga Halo
Speaker 1: a lot, and he uses Audacity, and I just got
Speaker 1: used to using that spectrogram. One other thing I noticed
Speaker 1: in Sonic Visualizer when I was reviewing and I'd see something,
Speaker 1: I would play it within the program of Sonic Visualizer,
Speaker 1: and then when I'd moved that file to Audacity to clip,
Speaker 1: when I played in Audacity, it didn't sound the same.
Speaker 1: So Sonic Visualizer, as far as audible noises in, it
Speaker 1: kind of distorts what you're you're listening to. Where's audacity,
Speaker 1: You're listening to what your recorder actually recorded. So that's
Speaker 1: why I went with that.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I wasn't a word that audacity, I see.
Speaker 2: I don't use those. I have a I subscribed to
Speaker 2: the Adobe Cree Native Suite for the museum because I
Speaker 2: use you know, Illustrator and you know Premiere for our
Speaker 2: member videos and photoshop, and so I just have whatever
Speaker 2: that they have as used to be called a sound booth.
Speaker 2: I think it's called Audition or something now I'm not
Speaker 2: sure what it is, but that's what I use just
Speaker 2: but I have a subscription for it. Most people do,
Speaker 2: in fact, use Audacity and that wasn't aware that they
Speaker 2: had a spectrograph built into the program.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it took me. If you go to Minoga Hala's YouTube,
Speaker 1: I think he has some video in there how he
Speaker 1: sets it up. I actually made a YouTube video myself.
Speaker 1: It's on my channel on how I set it up
Speaker 1: and I set my spectrogram in Audacity up exactly like
Speaker 1: Minoga Hala does.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean he's one of the best, so
Speaker 2: you definitely want to follow any advice that he gives.
Speaker 2: I think that everybody should listen very closely to yep
Speaker 2: and under your kind of summary areas of focus page
Speaker 2: on your presentation from squad from Metrics that you can
Speaker 2: download or look at right now at the Olympic Project,
Speaker 2: it notes the time of day that most vocalizations are
Speaker 2: recording for, which brings up two questions or two thoughts.
Speaker 2: I guess number one, do you record twenty four to
Speaker 2: seven or do you set it for sunrise sundown? What's
Speaker 2: your timing? Because I have a bunch of long duration
Speaker 2: recorders out I think I have two or three deployed
Speaker 2: at this very moment. I generally set them from about
Speaker 2: this time of year, probably about seven to seven or
Speaker 2: something like that. What do you do.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty much doing the same thing. I look at
Speaker 1: when the recording dusk still done. I'm not recording all
Speaker 1: day long. It's not that you not that sasquatch couldn't
Speaker 1: be making some kind of vocal during the day. I
Speaker 1: just don't think they do it during the day is often,
Speaker 1: and most noise is going to happen at night, when
Speaker 1: I think they're more comfortable. But basically about an hour
Speaker 1: before before dusk and about an hour after dawn. That's
Speaker 1: what I set the recorders for. During the wintertime, I'll
Speaker 1: have them record fourteen hours. By summertime, I'm only recording
Speaker 1: nine hours. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And also it's a it's a thing that sound actually
Speaker 2: travels better at night. It has to do a temperature
Speaker 2: or water content in the air or something like that,
Speaker 2: but you'd probably be better off. Yeah. So that was
Speaker 2: one of the things I wanted to see what you're doing,
Speaker 2: because you know, I don't know a lot about anything, really,
Speaker 2: and I only know as much as I do because
Speaker 2: I surround myself with people who are really into what
Speaker 2: they do and people who are smarter than me, and
Speaker 2: all that sort of stuff. You know, it's what any
Speaker 2: you know, person who runs a business for example, like
Speaker 2: I do, or you know is on a team member
Speaker 2: or any sort, does you know? You surround yourself with
Speaker 2: people who are smarter than you and so you can
Speaker 2: contribute as well. I want to make sure that I
Speaker 2: was doing something right. God knows. Man, If I'm not
Speaker 2: making a mistake, I'm probably asleep, is my thought on it.
Speaker 1: But that's science, man. Science is a series of mistakes.
Speaker 1: That's how we learn. I mean, I make mistakes all
Speaker 1: the time. I'm I'm self taught on all this as
Speaker 1: just have a path for it, and I just want
Speaker 1: to I just want to learn as much as I
Speaker 1: can about about hard special animals.
Speaker 2: So right right, I'll tell you, Yeah, it's nice to
Speaker 2: be able to make us mistakes and be okay with it.
Speaker 2: I might mind tend to be rather high profile mistakes
Speaker 2: that people throw throw stones at me for, I guess,
Speaker 2: but whatever, screw it, I'm okay with it. And my
Speaker 2: other question about the time of day stuff is that
Speaker 2: it says here that most of the air, most of
Speaker 2: the most of the unknown vocalizations. According to this, almost
Speaker 2: eighty five percent of them happened before one am. Now
Speaker 2: that's something that very informally, just you know, uh, my
Speaker 2: own work in the field there out in the woods.
Speaker 2: It seems that the sweet spot for me hearing vocalizations
Speaker 2: is generally between eleven and two somewhere around there. And
Speaker 2: that's just been my gut feeling. I don't have any
Speaker 2: numbers to back it up or anything. But also, to
Speaker 2: be fair, I tend to fall asleep sometime around three,
Speaker 2: so I didn't know if so. I'm kind of happy
Speaker 2: in a way that I see that perhaps I'm not
Speaker 2: missing as much as I thought I was. But of
Speaker 2: course I know I'm missing something. But what are your
Speaker 2: thoughts on when they seem to be vocalizing? And do
Speaker 2: you have any idea why.
Speaker 1: As far as in the nestory? And I always kind
Speaker 1: of throw it out there that what these individuals are
Speaker 1: doing might be different than individuals in another area are doing.
Speaker 1: But like West found when he was running the numbers,
Speaker 1: he's like, there's a huge shift from vocalizations to percussive
Speaker 1: sounds after one am, And I still have vocals after
Speaker 1: one am. I still, I mean, I got some pretty
Speaker 1: interesting vocals, you know, right there at dawn at five am.
Speaker 1: But generally speaking, vocalizations are happening from dusk till one am,
Speaker 1: and then you see a shift to if there is
Speaker 1: anything suspicious going on, some percussive sounds. And I actually
Speaker 1: they use a lot of percussive sounds in my opinion.
Speaker 1: But as far as why that is, I honestly at
Speaker 1: this point I haven't deviled in my brain that far.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm kind of in that mode of log
Speaker 1: everything and get it punched in the spreadsheet and send
Speaker 1: it to Wes and start really hypothesizing later.
Speaker 2: No, I get it yet, do the work. Let the
Speaker 2: nerds figure it out, right. I get it now. But
Speaker 2: I'm a nerd too, so that's why I say that
Speaker 2: so happily. By the way, do you notice because they're
Speaker 2: vocalizing at the front part of the night, you know,
Speaker 2: the first part of the night, is there a pick
Speaker 2: up at the end of the night before daylight?
Speaker 1: I haven't. In reviewing, I haven't seen that. I've seen,
Speaker 1: like I said, mostly percussives like this one area. What
Speaker 1: I find interesting is there'll be a shift in times
Speaker 1: that they're passing by the recorder. At least that's my
Speaker 1: interpretation of it. In one area. In September, I was
Speaker 1: getting a lot of percussive sounds between four and five.
Speaker 1: It's like they're coming by the recorder every other morning
Speaker 1: between four and five on their way to do whatever
Speaker 1: they're doing and slamming a tree and I've got a
Speaker 1: couple vocals with that, some whoops, but nothing like a
Speaker 1: lot of vocalization. And then somewhere it shifted around October.
Speaker 1: They kind of went quiet, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I started getting the same kind of percussives between ten
Speaker 1: and eleven, and it's like, Okay, something changed in their schedule.
Speaker 1: Now they're moving through that area at a different time.
Speaker 1: So little things like that that's actually intrigued me, is like,
Speaker 1: why is this happening. There's obviously a change in whatever
Speaker 1: routine they got going.
Speaker 2: It'll be interesting to see if that pattern holds up
Speaker 2: year to year as well.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Yeah, I'm I'm you know, I see things as
Speaker 1: I review, but I forget things a lot because I'm
Speaker 1: constantly reviewing and reviewing three different recorders from the same area.
Speaker 1: That's one thing. It gets a little monotonous when I
Speaker 1: review one recorder and then I got to review the
Speaker 1: recorder that's a quarter mile away from it the same
Speaker 1: time period, and then stuff gets jumbled in my head.
Speaker 1: But I have tons of notebooks, so.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, at at least you're doing that, you know,
Speaker 2: leaving something behind, because once the animals are recognized by
Speaker 2: academia and everybody else, this is history. We're making history,
Speaker 2: and if you're doing it right, your history will be remembered.
Speaker 2: You know. That's something that's kind of cool. It's not
Speaker 2: the reason to do it. It's not like an ego thing,
Speaker 2: but at the same time, it's it's kind of neat
Speaker 2: to know that you're contributing to something that will outlast
Speaker 2: all of us, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's kind of my hope. I don't look
Speaker 1: at I'm like I'm doing anything profound or shocking. I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm doing what I enjoy doing for one, and
Speaker 1: then you know, and then two, I think it's important
Speaker 1: and there's somebody else a lot smarter than me down
Speaker 1: the road, my baible use some of this for whatever purpose,
Speaker 1: you know. I don't look at it as like I
Speaker 1: don't know, I just look at it as something that
Speaker 1: needs to be done, and you know, ten years down
Speaker 1: the road, someone else might be able to do something
Speaker 1: with it that I can't think of.
Speaker 2: Right. Look at all the information we're still getting out of,
Speaker 2: say the Patterson Gimlin film, you know, over fifty years
Speaker 2: ago now, or even new stuff was discovered about the
Speaker 2: Jerry Crew cast, you know, as recently as the late
Speaker 2: two thousands, you know, two thousands, what is it, fourteen?
Speaker 2: I think new stuff was discovered about the Jerry Crew cast. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so you just never know, collect it all and let
Speaker 2: the future nerds, you know, sort it out. It's kind
Speaker 2: of my thought. But I think you hit upon something
Speaker 2: that I think is the most important thing about sasquatch stuff.
Speaker 2: You enjoy it, I sincerely think, I mean, do the
Speaker 2: I think all of us should be out there doing
Speaker 2: the best job we possibly can with gathering stuff. But
Speaker 2: there's so many different ways to pursue this subject, and
Speaker 2: there's so many cool avenues of inquiry and that have
Speaker 2: never been thought of. And just to do what you
Speaker 2: like to do in this field is its own reward
Speaker 2: in my thought, you know, in my opinion. So, Chris,
Speaker 2: I think you're doing great work. You're doing it for
Speaker 2: the right reasons. You've got the primo spot.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: It is fantastic. Where can people follow what you're doing.
Speaker 2: I mean, you have the YouTube channel, which of course
Speaker 2: is the links in the show notes here, But if
Speaker 2: you're driving and you just want to write things down
Speaker 2: or something, it's Chris Spencer, Toodle River Valley, scook Them
Speaker 2: anything else going on you want to talk about.
Speaker 1: No, that's that's pretty much it. We're trying to get
Speaker 1: the OP website updated more and more often and try
Speaker 1: We're hopefully going to get links to my YouTube channel
Speaker 1: onto the OP website and as far as whenever we
Speaker 1: get done, when West gets done with any kind of
Speaker 1: statistical analysis, we'll be putting that up on the OP
Speaker 1: website as well well.
Speaker 2: Fantastic. I want to thank you for your time and
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