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Speaker 1: Come in Welcome. I'm e. G.

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Speaker 2: Marshall, concierge of this halfway Hotel, located somewhere between reality

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and illusion and convenient to both. We speak of reality

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and illusion as if they are two separate and distinct states.

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But are they? Can one exist without the other? Aren't

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they like pain and pleasure, love and hate, life and death,

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two opposites inseparably linked together, like the two sides of

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the same coin. Yes, and so close are they that

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it's hard to tell where one begins and the other ends.

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Speaker 3: Major Morrissey, you realize you are disobeying a written order

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of General Wallace.

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Speaker 1: I realize that, Lieutenant, But General Rollers won't care what.

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You'll be dead too, you.

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Speaker 4: Major, have you taken leave of your mind?

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow there will be battle.

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Speaker 4: There can't be. The enemy isn't within miles.

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Speaker 1: In eight hours we will all be dead. We will

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die bravely.

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Speaker 4: Major. Are you saying you can see into the.

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Speaker 1: Future That that's impossible. Nobody can see into the future.

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I can, Lieutenant, I've been there.

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Speaker 2: Our mystery drama The Other Self was written especially for

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the Mystery Theater by Sam Dan and stars Howard da Silva.

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It is sponsored in part by Buick Motor Division and

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Anheuser Busch Incorporated, brewers of Budweiser. I'll be back shortly

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with Act one to the men.

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Speaker 1: Plies and the station.

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Speaker 2: The belt is about two feet wide and the one

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hundred feet long. It moves slowly and carried on it

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is a row of things. Well, they start off as

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single things, smallish tubular plastic things. But all along the

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one hundred feet of slowly moving belt they stand men

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and women, and each in turn adds something or does something,

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then waits about four seconds, and then a fresh new

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thing comes by on the belt. Take Oliver Towndrand, a

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tall blonde couple about two thirds of the way down

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the line. Well, every four seconds, here's what he does.

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He picks up a thing, gives the rotating end of

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it a turn, taps it with his finger, uses it

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with one touch of a special heat gun, sends it

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on its way, and takes up the next. And he

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does it to a kind of rhythm. He says, turn, tap, zap.

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And he does this every day for eight hours. How

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does he keep from going mad? Maybe he doesn't turn

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touch such turn, touch that.

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Speaker 1: Turn.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what else I can tell you, doctor Heckman.

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Oh excuse me. Yeah, well, how do we stand today?

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Speaker 1: La? No that much?

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Speaker 2: You know, well, the overall percentage for the month is

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not going to be too good. Yeah, all right, we

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were just talking about this, doctor Heckman. Absenteeism on the

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first shift is twenty percent. That means one in five

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workers did not show up.

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Speaker 5: And this is your usual pattern, mister Wallace.

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Speaker 2: It is getting to be our usual pattern.

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Speaker 5: These are all production line workers.

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Speaker 2: That's where we hurt.

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Speaker 5: But it's any consolation. Most production line workers have the

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same problem.

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Speaker 2: No, that doesn't help me. Orders are piling up, I

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can't fill them.

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Speaker 5: Why don't your employees show up?

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Speaker 2: Why they call in sick?

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Speaker 5: Mostly are they sick?

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Speaker 2: I guess they are think of working.

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Speaker 5: You must admit these are dull, monotonous jobs.

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Speaker 2: So what can I do about that?

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Speaker 5: Dory? I make the job exciting?

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Speaker 2: Exciting?

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Speaker 5: Oh interesting, interesting?

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Speaker 2: Oh good lord.

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Speaker 5: You could, for example, very the rhythm of the production line,

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have the place painted in more interesting colors, the line

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itself alternated with the components. Could be things like pictures,

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little puzzle slogans.

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Speaker 2: But my people have to watch what they're doing. They

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have to concentrate even music is out.

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Speaker 5: Then eliminate the jobs. Cat a machine be devised that.

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Speaker 2: Would no, no, because those components have to be finger tightened.

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You can't get a machine that can feel it or

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sense it.

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Speaker 5: Still, there must be people who actually thrive in this

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kind of work situation.

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Speaker 2: I never found any Is.

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Speaker 5: There anybody here who loves his work?

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Speaker 2: I never heard anybody say they love the production line.

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Speaker 5: But they don't have to say it. There can be

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other testimony. I'm like, what like a good record of attendance.

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Let's study the characteristics of those people.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, there is one guy. The foreman was

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talking about him just the other day. He's been working

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for me eight years, eight years, and in all that

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time he hasn't even been absent once.

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Speaker 5: Well, then a clinical study is definitely in order.

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Speaker 2: His name is Oliver Townsend.

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Speaker 1: Turn that.

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Speaker 2: Turneth turn.

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Speaker 1: Coffee rerecord.

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Speaker 5: Listen to Oliver Townsend.

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Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, that's me.

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Speaker 5: Well, my name is a Roman hickman. May I talk

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with you for sure?

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Speaker 1: Why?

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm I'm a psychologist.

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Speaker 1: I'm kidding. I think that's great.

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Speaker 5: Why do you think it's great? Why do you think

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my being a psychologist is great?

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Speaker 1: Because it's better than not being a psychologist.

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Speaker 5: I'm afraid I don't understand.

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Speaker 1: It's so simple. Look, why are you a psychologist?

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Speaker 5: Because that's always been my ambition.

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Speaker 1: Right, So wouldn't it be terrible if you didn't become

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a psychologist? I see you think I'm crazy? Oh no, no, oh,

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don't let it bother you. Everybody thinks I'm crazy.

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Speaker 5: What do you think?

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Speaker 1: Fifty million freshmen can't be wrong?

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Speaker 2: What does that mean?

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Speaker 1: Our dough boys used to say that during World War One?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: You notice I call them dough boys. Each war has

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a different nickname for the American soldier.

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Speaker 2: Really, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The British are always called Tommy's Tommy Atkins, that is,

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but we keep changing. In World War Two, our boys

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were called g I Joe. Civil War it was Johnny

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reb and Billy Yank.

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Speaker 5: Are you interested in wars?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? My war's the Civil War? Is it? I should

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drive your nuts? But actually, people around here give me

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a nickname, Shiloh, Shiloh. Didn't you ever hear the Battle

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of Shiloh? It was also called Pittsburgh lamb Oh.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I think I remember?

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Speaker 1: You think you remember? Well? I'm I sort of made

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the battle of Shiloh my life's work. Yeah, you could

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say that. Why why not some people play golf, other's

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bowl hunt, fish shot, I've got the Battle of Shiloh.

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Do you work here? Well, I do for a while

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when you have to see the Battle of Shiloh where

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over at my place. The reason I asked that you

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seem interested, I mean, when most folks think I'm a nut,

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are harmless but a nut? A lot of interesting people

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were at the Battle of Shiloh.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I'm sure.

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Speaker 1: The Confederates lost. The best general they had next to

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Robert E. Lee, General Albert Sidney Johnson. They also had

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Beauregard and Braxton Bragg. So you're not really interested, Oh

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I am?

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Speaker 5: I am?

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Speaker 1: Of course you had Grant commanding the Federals and General

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Lou Wallace. You heard of Lou Wallace when he came

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home from the war, he wrote, Ben hur there was

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another General Wallace too, Bill Wallace. Really, for some reason,

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I feel very close to him and to that whole

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Indiana Corps.

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Speaker 5: Mister Thompson, about your job.

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Speaker 1: We I mean they turned the tie at Shiloh.

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Speaker 5: Do you like the work you do, especially.

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Speaker 1: An outfit that attached to them Morrissey's rifles.

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Speaker 5: Do you prefer it to other kinds of thing?

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Speaker 1: We called it a brigade, but it was just an

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oversized company.

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Speaker 5: Tell me what aspects of the job make it desirable.

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Speaker 1: But I've got all these soldiers you see, made out

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of lead and tin, and everything's authentic. I mean, the

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uniforms at all.

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Speaker 5: Is it a question of being happy with your work?

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Speaker 1: I got everything and everybody lined up just the way

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they were that April morning in eighteen sixty two. You

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have to see it, the line starting up. I better

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get with its. Excuse me, turn?

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Speaker 5: Did you really mean it turn when you asked me

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to see the Battle of Shadows?

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Speaker 1: Except?

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Speaker 2: Sure?

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Speaker 5: When how about tonight? Fine?

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Speaker 1: Turn? Set over? Even, Aunt Clara, I am true.

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Speaker 6: But when you said you were bringing someone home to supper,

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I didn't assume it would be a lady.

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Speaker 1: Friend, Aunt Clara.

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Speaker 5: This is why she's pretty.

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Speaker 1: This is doctor Heckman, my Aunt Claa.

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Speaker 5: Doctor Oliver.

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Speaker 6: Did you bring a doctor to see me?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 5: There isn't something wrong.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Heckman is going to see the Battle of Shiloh Oh.

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Speaker 5: I might have known. Oh oh, please, hey, come in, thank.

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Speaker 1: You now, Aunt Clara? Will you entertain the doctor while

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I get my men set up. Uh it love me

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take a couple of minutes.

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Speaker 6: Well won't you sit down, doctor?

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Speaker 5: Oh please call me Wilma.

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Speaker 6: What's a pretty girl like you doing being a doctor?

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm I'm really a doctor of philosophy.

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Speaker 6: No, that's even worse. Well, when I saw you standing

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in the doorway, I said, oh my, maybe now he

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found himself a girl, and he'll come back to this life.

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Speaker 5: This I as distinguished from which life? Well, the crazy

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one he's leading now, Oh you mean at the factory. No,

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I mean at the Battle of Charlot. I don't understand.

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Speaker 6: Oh, he's back there all right, his mind, his heart.

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There are times when I even think.

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Speaker 5: Neville. Tell me, no, you'll think I'm crazy. There at

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times when you even think.

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Speaker 6: I even think his body is back there.

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Speaker 5: Well, that that's you.

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Speaker 6: See. You're trying not to say it. You're trying not

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to say that's crazy.

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Speaker 5: Well, tell me why you think so. No, I don't

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have to tell you.

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Speaker 6: Look at him when he talks, Listen to what he says.

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You'll believe it yourself.

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Speaker 1: Well, everything's ready. How much time do we have before dinner? Well?

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Speaker 6: How long is the battle gonna last.

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Speaker 1: Oh, just a couple of minutes.

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Speaker 6: Well in that case, far away.

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Speaker 1: Now you see why I need the whole basement.

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Speaker 5: Well it it's I don't know what to say. It's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: You have to realize it's nowhere near the real thing.

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Speaker 5: These tables end to end, but they occupy the whole floor.

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And the soldiers. Soldiers, there must be thousands.

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Speaker 1: It looks like a lot, but you have to remember

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there were over eighty thousand men involved. I don't have

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anywhere near that.

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Speaker 5: Oh, these pictures on the walls, Ugh, I recognize General Grad.

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Oh wait, that general is standing high above the battle

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of the table. He's also General Grad. Right, how did

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you get that little statue to look like General Grant?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I just bought a little statue of

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a horseman dressed like a Union Army general, and after

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a while it began to look like Grant.

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Speaker 5: What are you telling me?

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Speaker 1: The true And look at the other officers. Now compare

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them with their pictures on the wall. That's Beauregard, and

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that's Buell and Bragg and Johnson and Wallace.

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Speaker 5: That's fantastic. How did you get these made up?

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Speaker 1: I keep telling you I just bought ten soldiers in

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Civil War uniforms and after a war.

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Speaker 5: Wait a min'te this one? This one here? Who's that?

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's Major Morrissey, commanding officer of Morrissey's Rifles.

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Speaker 5: That's uncanny.

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Speaker 1: What's uncanny?

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Speaker 5: This tin soldier? His face, it looks exactly like you.

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Speaker 2: Oh right. You never know where these things go, do you.

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Now Here, we have a nice, rather conservative lady psychology,

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just trying to solve one of the most searing problems

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of our highly technical age, boredom. And if she's not careful,

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she's going to find herself dodging bullets at the Battle

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of Shiloh, which took place more than a century ago. Well,

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dig in, I'll return in a few moments with that too.

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Speaker 1: Difference.

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Speaker 2: You've heard it said of certain people in certain parts

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of our country that they're still fighting the Civil War. Well,

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you'd be surprised at how many people are still fighting

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the Civil War, reliving it, restaging it, rethinking it, and

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why not. It was a war that burned deep into

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our notional consciousness, a war we can't forget, a thoroughly,

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completely uniquely American war, a complex war, a deep, brooding

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and mysterious war. And like all wars, it brought out

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the best in US and the worst in US.

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Speaker 5: This ten soldier, the one who's supposed to be Major Morrissey,

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he looks exactly like you.

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Speaker 1: It's your imagination, but.

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Speaker 5: Anyone who can see would have to admit it.

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Speaker 1: Probably, But it's a coincidence. Now I promised you the battle.

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It is dawn Sunday morning, April fifth. The Confederates under

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General Hardy move against General Prentices Division. I made up

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a special soundtrack out of table. Fighting is general and

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spreads all along the wide. Now the gunboats come down

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the river, and here is where Morsse's right make such

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an important But wait, what is it? Cease firing?

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Speaker 5: With something wrong?

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Speaker 1: Something, something's terribly wrong. What Marrissey's rifles? Look at them?

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What about imposition near the river bank?

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Speaker 4: See how I've placed them?

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Speaker 5: Well, isn't isn't that what they're supposed to be doing?

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Speaker 1: What happened to their rifles? Rifles?

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Speaker 5: Well, each one of them seems to have a rifle.

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Speaker 1: Those aren't the rifles we they carried into the Battle

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of Shiloh.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand something.

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Speaker 1: Something went wrong. And Clara, and Clara come in here.

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Speaker 6: Well, now, what's all that's hollering about?

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Speaker 1: And Clara, who's been in this room while I've been gone?

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Speaker 6: Nobody.

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Speaker 1: I don't say that nobody ever comes into this rule

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somebody's been in here.

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Speaker 6: That's impossible.

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Speaker 1: I can prove it. These soldiers. See what am I

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supposed to see? These soldiers they represent Marssey's rifles.

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Speaker 6: Oh, none of that means a thing to me.

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Speaker 1: Somebody took away their rifle?

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Speaker 5: Oh now, who want to do a thing like that?

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Speaker 1: And Clara has any body?

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Speaker 6: No, I'm no expert, but even I can tell they

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still have their rifle.

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Speaker 5: Oliver, why do you say they don't have their rifles?

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Speaker 1: With the rifles they're carrying? These were the fifty eight

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caliber US Model eighteen sixty ones. So, but Morrissey's men

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were armed with spencers.

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Speaker 6: Oh but these are just ten soldiers.

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Speaker 1: They are not ten soldiers.

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Speaker 5: Oh right, they're lead soldiers.

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Speaker 1: They didn't go into combat with the guns they're carrying now,

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because if they add, the Union forces would have lost

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the Battle of Shiloh.

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Speaker 6: You know, dinners just about ready.

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Speaker 1: Let me explain something to you. It was the spencer

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repeating rifles that turned the tide.

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Speaker 2: Finally, Well, I have no reason to doubt that.

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Speaker 1: See these eighteen sixty ones. You see it's unbelievable how

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difficult they were to use. That's why I promised my

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men's spencers. The eighteen sixty one took a paper cottridge.

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You would tear the powder end open with your teeth,

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empty the powder down the barrel, ram the bullet down

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on top of it.

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Speaker 6: You follow this, you're holding me the way a snake

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hypnotize of the bird.

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Speaker 1: You pull the hammer halfway back, adjust your percussion cap,

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and then finally you're ready to fire. Do you realize

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that was the gun most men used on both sides? Really,

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just for certain commanders were able to buy their men

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better weapons. I that is, Marssey bought spencers for the

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whole company.

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Speaker 5: If you'd excuse me, I don't understand.

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Speaker 1: We have just started the Battle of Shiloh, and Marssey's men,

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who saved the day with their rapid firing spencers, are

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going into combat with the old muskets. They can hardly

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get off two shots a minute.

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Speaker 5: Well, the Battle of Shiloh has been over for many years,

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so does it really matter? What these toy soldiers carry?

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Speaker 1: Yes, it matters. The truth always matters. Now, what happened

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to the spencers? These men were carrying spencers?

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Speaker 6: H Why don't we have dinner and then maybe like

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both eat sheep, they'll come home again. She's a nice girl, Oliver.

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Speaker 1: You should nobody came in here.

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Speaker 6: I believe you could have done.

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Speaker 5: You could have seen her home.

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Speaker 1: Why would anybody want to come here and change those rifles?

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How could anybody do it?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 6: Maybe she's a little bit too intelligent for you, but

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you need someone with brains.

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Speaker 1: I wish would leave me be, Aunt Clara.

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Speaker 6: Then maybe you'd leave that production line job and go

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back to being an architect, which is what you studied for.

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Speaker 1: There are enough ugly buildings in this world without my

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adding any I.

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Speaker 6: Won't say another word.

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Speaker 1: Play with the soldiers.

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Speaker 6: If that's all you want out of life.

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Speaker 1: Good night, Aunt Clara, Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Well good night.

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Speaker 1: What could have happened to those rifles?

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Speaker 2: What could have happened? Have you discovered anything, doctor Heckmann, Yes, mister.

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Speaker 5: Wallace, in a general way, I've discovered Wallace. Now why

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does your name seem so familiar?

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine?

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Speaker 5: And why have you discovered the ideal type for this

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job is someone with a disassociative personality.

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Speaker 2: What does that mean?

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Speaker 5: Just what you think it might. You need people who

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live in two worlds?

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Speaker 2: Oh, how can anybody live in two worlds?

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Speaker 5: Your face? Where have I seen you a face before?

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Speaker 4: Ah?

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Speaker 2: About those people who live in two worlds?

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Speaker 1: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Uh, Well most of us do it to a degree,

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even you me. Don't you have a day dream?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm far too busy.

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Speaker 5: Mean you have no secret place where you can be

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somebody else?

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Speaker 2: Well, admit it? Do I? Do you have one?

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Speaker 5: We all have our two places, the open one in

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the world and the secret one that exists within ourselves.

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Which is more important to you, the life you lead

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in secret or the one everyone knows about. Don't answer

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that too quickly.

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Speaker 2: I imaginations all very well, but reality is fine.

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Speaker 5: Then the people you need are the ones for whom

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the secret place is more important. Men like Oliver Townsend

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hire people like Oliver Townshend.

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Speaker 2: Excuse me, yeah.

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Speaker 5: Wallas, I've heard that name and I've seen that face.

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Speaker 2: What do you mean? Okay, all right, I'll talk to

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you later. Well, thank you very much, doctor Heckman.

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Speaker 5: Actually I haven't even started.

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Speaker 2: And straighten this out. You may be finished.

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Speaker 5: What do you say?

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Speaker 1: I am saying.

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Speaker 2: We got a guy working here named Oliver Townsend. He

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hasn't missed a day's work in eight years, so you

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talked to him, and this morning, for the first time,

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he's absent. But that's things are bad enough.

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Speaker 5: Mister Wallace. I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation.

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Speaker 2: Well, if there is, you had better come up with it.

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What could have what could have happened to those rifles?

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Speaker 1: What happened?

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Speaker 4: What Oliver?

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Speaker 5: Oliver?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Oh, I guess I must have dozed off.

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Speaker 6: You've been down here all night, all night? Was it

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seven o'clock in the morning.

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Speaker 1: I must have fallen asleep.

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Speaker 6: Well you'd better think about getting ready for work.

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Speaker 5: Work all tide, breakfast right away?

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Speaker 1: No work? Uh, I can't go this morning?

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Speaker 6: What Oliver, you realize it's the first time how many years?

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Speaker 1: Call in for me? Aunt Clara Sam sick?

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Speaker 5: I hate to lie, you know it.

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Speaker 1: Is.

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Speaker 6: There's something the matter with you, Oliver.

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Speaker 1: I've got a problem the rifles. I'm having a problem

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with the rifles.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well I'll call in and say you're sick.

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Speaker 1: What could have happened? Oh? Who goes that. Major morris say, Major,

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we've been waiting for you to come back. What's wrong.

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Speaker 2: They want to take our spencer rifles away. Fomas, What

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are you saying We're going to trade our spencer rifles?

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They stand at USA team sink you one who says

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so direct order from General Wallace. There's lieutenant from his

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headquarters waiting on you, and you can't.

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Speaker 1: You can't have my rifles, Lieutenant, Sir.

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Speaker 4: I have the order here from General Wallace.

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Speaker 1: Those weapons of the personal property.

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Speaker 4: No, no, sir.

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Speaker 3: When your unit was mustered into the service, your equipment

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became the property of the United States Army, and Headquarters

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feels that this particular equipment can be used more effectively elsewhere.

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Speaker 1: Once today's date, it's Saturday, able to sif that's right?

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Tomorrow is Sunday, April.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I would venture to say so, sir, if you would

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sign the receipt. No, I'm afraid I can't sign that receipt.

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Speaker 4: But Major you must sign.

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Speaker 1: Corporal yes, hey, assemble a squad onload our expenses from

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this officer's wagon. Major Morrissey, that is insubordination. I have

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a written order. Not anymore.

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Speaker 4: Corporal in the name of General William Wallace. I order

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you not.

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Speaker 1: You've heard what I said, Carporal, I'll get moving, Yes, sir, Major,

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surely you don't think you can get away with this.

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I think I can. The General will be down here

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himself the first thing tomorrow morning. No, he won't. But

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how can you say that, because by tomorrow morning the

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Battle of Shiloh will have begun.

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Speaker 4: The Battle of Shiloh. What's that?

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Speaker 1: There's a little church, a little country church, a couple

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of miles south of here, and the folks call it Shiloh,

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and that'll be the center of the fighting when the

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rebels attack. Major, there isn't gonna be a battle tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: The rebels won't attack. They're waiting for us to attack now, Sir,

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so far no harm has been done.

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Speaker 1: And General Wallace needs those rifles now is in exactly

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eight hours from now? General Wallace isn't going to need anything.

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He needs to distribute those spences among the sharp shooter platoons.

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It's important to him. Eight hours from now, nothing is

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going to be important to General Wallace.

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Speaker 4: Major, what are you saying?

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Speaker 1: What's your name, Lieutenant but Butterfield? But what are you Butterfield?

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Do you have a wife listening at Butterfield or a girl.

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Speaker 4: Major, will you listen to.

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Speaker 1: Real back to your temp Lieutenant, write a letter to

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your wife or your girl. If there's something you felt

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you never really told her, tell her now, Oliver. Oh,

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oh hello, he let me turn it off.

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Speaker 5: Don't let me interrupt anything.

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Speaker 1: I'd like you to see the whole thing from the beginning.

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I just got to the point where General Wallace is killed. Yeah,

472
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,839
you see he was Wallace, WILLIAMH. Wallace.

473
00:27:40,759 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 5: That's where I heard the name before.

474
00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:44,519
Speaker 1: I got his picture on the wall.

475
00:27:44,599 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 4: See up there, Oliver, General Wallace.

476
00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:51,799
Speaker 5: Look at him. Who does he remind you of? I

477
00:27:51,839 --> 00:27:55,720
don't know the resemblance. The resemblance is uncanny.

478
00:27:56,079 --> 00:27:57,039
Speaker 1: I still don't know.

479
00:27:57,279 --> 00:27:59,799
Speaker 5: The face is the same, and the name is this

480
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:02,279
That could be a.

481
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,279
Speaker 1: Picture of your boss, mister Wallace.

482
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,279
Speaker 5: I've never seen such a likeness.

483
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: I never noticed it before.

484
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,759
Speaker 5: Oh yes, you have, Oliver. You have.

485
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:29,279
Speaker 2: People from the past, keep intertwining with people from the present.

486
00:28:30,079 --> 00:28:34,839
When Oliver Townsend combines himself with Major Morrissey, we may

487
00:28:35,039 --> 00:28:37,960
very well suspect that this might be going on in

488
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:42,359
his own head. But we have a Brigadier general William H.

489
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:47,960
Wallace and an industrialist named William H. Wallace, and both

490
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,920
of them look alike. And that isn't confined to Oliver's head.

491
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,880
That's a fact. There will be more facts feed upon

492
00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:00,039
her when I return with Act three. Oh, ol we

493
00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:03,359
all sot up shaven cream are a prescription. It's my hemorrhoids,

494
00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:18,880
mister Edwards, what do we know so far? We know

495
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,599
that there are many disassociative personalities. In other words, people

496
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,839
who live in two worlds. The first is a world

497
00:29:26,839 --> 00:29:30,400
they share more or less with everybody, and the second

498
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,759
is a world that is all their very own. And

499
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,680
things go along very well for a while, but sooner

500
00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:40,160
or later the worlds start to.

501
00:29:40,119 --> 00:29:41,039
Speaker 1: Get mixed up.

502
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,799
Speaker 5: Oliver, this picture of General Wallas, Where did you get it?

503
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,079
Speaker 1: I have a great, big album. It has photographs of

504
00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:51,519
all the Civil War generals. They're all authentic, and I

505
00:29:51,599 --> 00:29:53,519
cut them out of the book and put them on

506
00:29:53,559 --> 00:29:54,000
the walls.

507
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 5: There are two worlds. You live in two worlds.

508
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: What are you saying?

509
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. In one world you're Oliver Townshend,

510
00:30:08,279 --> 00:30:12,720
a production line worker. In the other, you're Major Morrissey,

511
00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:15,000
commander of the Civil war rifle unit.

512
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:15,799
Speaker 2: I would.

513
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 5: You won't admit it, but you keep giving it away.

514
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,960
You keep seeing yourself as Morrissey. Now that's true, isn't it.

515
00:30:23,599 --> 00:30:23,799
Speaker 1: Well?

516
00:30:24,079 --> 00:30:28,559
Speaker 5: But now now there's another person who seems to be

517
00:30:28,599 --> 00:30:30,279
common to both worlds.

518
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:31,119
Speaker 4: Wallace.

519
00:30:32,119 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 5: In this world, he's Oliver Townshend's employer. What was General

520
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,839
Wallace to Major Morrissey in that other world?

521
00:30:42,079 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: General Wallace he was Morrissey's superior officer.

522
00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:49,839
Speaker 5: And what was the relationships between Wallace and Morrissey?

523
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: They they had very little to do with each.

524
00:30:53,279 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 5: Other, very little or nothing at all.

525
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,519
Speaker 1: Well, it was Wallace us who took away the Spencers

526
00:31:01,519 --> 00:31:05,759
from Morrissey, just before Shiloh Wallis took.

527
00:31:05,559 --> 00:31:09,319
Speaker 5: Away the Spensers. Yes, I want to tell me why

528
00:31:09,319 --> 00:31:10,839
did you become interested in the Civil War?

529
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,119
Speaker 1: I don't know, it just happened how long ago?

530
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:14,759
Speaker 2: Uh?

531
00:31:15,599 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: I was always interested?

532
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,519
Speaker 2: I guess what do you mean by always?

533
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,519
Speaker 1: I may have been born interested.

534
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,759
Speaker 5: Nobody is born with an interest in anything. These things

535
00:31:23,759 --> 00:31:30,480
are created by what, by opportunity, personality, experience.

536
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: A fellow becomes a nut on Golfer's stamps, but a

537
00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:38,039
nut the way I'm supposed to be a nut on Shiloh. No,

538
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:39,559
you gotta be born with it.

539
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,279
Speaker 5: Do you mean to say you were interested in the

540
00:31:42,319 --> 00:31:44,880
Civil War since the day you were born?

541
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I guess that's what I mean.

542
00:31:49,319 --> 00:31:50,319
Speaker 5: But how would you know?

543
00:31:51,759 --> 00:31:54,799
Speaker 1: Well, suddenly it seems a guy goes overboard about certain things,

544
00:31:55,319 --> 00:31:58,599
but the interest was always there. He mayn't have been

545
00:31:58,640 --> 00:31:59,160
aware of it.

546
00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 5: And then one day, just how long have you been

547
00:32:02,519 --> 00:32:05,400
studying the Battle of Shiloh A while?

548
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:05,799
Speaker 1: I guess?

549
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 5: And what other battles have you analyzed?

550
00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:15,319
Speaker 1: Huh? None? Why? Well, it's just Shiloh is so interesting.

551
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,839
Speaker 5: And why are you so concerned with Morrissey's rifles?

552
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: I don't know.

553
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 5: And after Shiloh, where did Marsi's rifles go where?

554
00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: Well, they must have fought their way farther south. I

555
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:35,799
never thought about it. What are you trying to say?

556
00:32:36,359 --> 00:32:39,559
Speaker 5: I don't know yet. I don't know.

557
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 2: Turn turns it happens.

558
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: Turn it happens.

559
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:01,759
Speaker 5: Have a cup of coffee.

560
00:33:02,839 --> 00:33:06,799
Speaker 1: Oh, oh, thanks, I haven't seen you around lately.

561
00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:12,759
Speaker 5: Turn tapsap, turn tap sap. Eight hours a day, that's

562
00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:16,480
how it goes, eight hours a day. Why do you

563
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:16,799
do it?

564
00:33:18,279 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: I need it?

565
00:33:19,079 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 5: Why do you need it?

566
00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:22,319
Speaker 1: I have to make a living. I need a job.

567
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 5: Why do you need this job?

568
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: It's the only one I can get.

569
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,599
Speaker 5: Why aren't you designing things like buildings?

570
00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:33,079
Speaker 2: Uh?

571
00:33:33,799 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: Say, where have you been?

572
00:33:35,119 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 5: Where have you been?

573
00:33:36,519 --> 00:33:41,119
Speaker 1: I asked you first in Washington on a job.

574
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 5: It was related to a job. So now where have

575
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:47,000
you been?

576
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:48,759
Speaker 1: Here? Where else?

577
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,559
Speaker 5: Part of the time and the rest of the time,

578
00:33:53,319 --> 00:33:56,240
all around around Shiloh.

579
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: You know I learned something from you? Really, to keep my.

580
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 5: Mouth shut, I'm not aware that I taught you.

581
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: You talk about those two worlds. The private one should

582
00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:10,159
be just that private. My trouble was I let everyone

583
00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:10,800
know about it.

584
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:13,159
Speaker 5: But do you want to know what I was doing

585
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:16,760
in Washington? I was looking up the records of the

586
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:21,360
Department of the Ohio, the Union Army Corps that fought

587
00:34:21,519 --> 00:34:25,920
at Shiloh. What I was looking for Morris's rifles?

588
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: Well, you could have asked me. They were attached to

589
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,320
the ninth Indiana.

590
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,559
Speaker 5: I know, and later all records of them were lost.

591
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:38,079
Speaker 1: Why it was a long time ago and not all

592
00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:39,079
the records survive.

593
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:41,559
Speaker 5: Is that the reason?

594
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:46,760
Speaker 1: Well? Sure, Look, do you suppose I could see you afterwards?

595
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:47,880
I have to get back to work.

596
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 5: At another minute, taps up. How can you do that

597
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:51,880
all day?

598
00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: I don't mind it.

599
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 5: I suppose you do need it.

600
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,639
Speaker 1: That's what I told you. I needed to support myself.

601
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 5: No, you need it to support your other world.

602
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 1: Well no, doctor Hickman, that's going back a long time.

603
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 5: Yes, I realized that, mister Spenser.

604
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 4: It must be all of nine years.

605
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,079
Speaker 1: We've had a lot of young architects come and go

606
00:35:18,159 --> 00:35:22,480
through this office. Oliver Townsend, you.

607
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 5: Don't remember him, Yes, I remember him.

608
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 1: I think I could have personnel look it up.

609
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 5: Oh, thank you, But what I really need is your

610
00:35:30,599 --> 00:35:32,400
own human reaction to him.

611
00:35:32,559 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: As I recall, he didn't last long, maybe six months.

612
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 5: Did you fire him?

613
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:37,519
Speaker 4: No?

614
00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:38,079
Speaker 2: No, he quit?

615
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 1: Why well, oh, now I remember he just walked into

616
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,480
my office one day and said, I don't think I

617
00:35:47,519 --> 00:35:48,679
want to be an architect.

618
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 5: Did he give you any reason?

619
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 1: Well, I asked him. My said, son, don't you like architecture?

620
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,840
And he said, I like it, but it takes up

621
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,239
too much of my time and energy.

622
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 5: Well, thank you, mister Spencer. Welcome, doctor Spencer. Spencer. Odd

623
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,480
that your name should be Spencer?

624
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: Why is it odd that was my father's name?

625
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,119
Speaker 5: Well, there was, there was there still may be a

626
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,280
rifle called the Spencer, and it must have been named

627
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,840
after its inventor. Are you related?

628
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: I think so distantly. Why do you ask.

629
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 5: Wallace not Spencer? No, it was Spencer and then Wallace.

630
00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: I beg your pardon, mister Spencer.

631
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,760
Speaker 5: Why did you hire Oliver Townsend in the first place?

632
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,519
Speaker 3: He was highly recommended by one of the greatest architects

633
00:36:43,559 --> 00:36:46,440
in the world, ahead of the Department State University Professor

634
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,920
Morrissey Morrissey, Yes.

635
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:54,079
Speaker 4: Doctor, are you all right? Is something the matter?

636
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 1: Pajor Morrissey Litennant. If you tell General Wallace if he

637
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,400
wants my Spencer rifles, he can try to take them himself.

638
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,079
How did you know, Major? How did you know? How

639
00:37:12,119 --> 00:37:14,039
did I know what that the rebels would attack?

640
00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 4: The battle's on. You're to form your men by.

641
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 1: The river close by to the ravine at Bill's Branch, now,

642
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,519
Matt Cordon at eighteen.

643
00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 4: You are to hold there.

644
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:25,079
Speaker 1: You got to hold that position no matter what.

645
00:37:27,519 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 5: Rador last night you said they'd attack.

646
00:37:32,199 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 2: How'd you know?

647
00:37:37,679 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: Now? I can show it to you properly because Morrissey's

648
00:37:41,079 --> 00:37:44,639
men get the rifles back. You see these are Spencer's.

649
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:47,000
See how they differ from the muskets carried by the

650
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:47,599
other troops.

651
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 5: I'm not sure I do.

652
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:53,679
Speaker 1: It's obvious these aren't muzzle loaders. These are breech loading repeaters.

653
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,280
That's why General Wallace tried to take them away.

654
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:04,199
Speaker 5: Spencer Wallace, Mercy, Now tell me one more thing. Why Shiloh, Shiloh.

655
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,079
Every one of these names appear in your life, your

656
00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:13,920
real life, except Shiloh. Shiloh was a church. But what

657
00:38:14,159 --> 00:38:15,320
else was Shiloh?

658
00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: It was? It was a biblical town in the land

659
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,320
of Ephraim, and there in a beautiful temple called Shiloh

660
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,760
was where the priests of Eli presided over the Holy sanctuary.

661
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,920
A temple, Yes, a beautiful temple, one of the first

662
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,440
of the temples. It was more than a tabernacle. It

663
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:43,000
was a temple, do you understand, yes, with walls and doors, pillars. Oh.

664
00:38:43,039 --> 00:38:47,800
It was small, but it was magnificent. And it was

665
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,960
my first exercise in design when I studied at the university.

666
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,159
No one really knows what the Temple of Shadow looked like,

667
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:56,719
but I saw.

668
00:38:56,559 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 4: It so clearly.

669
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,639
Speaker 1: Now you must really think I'm crazy. No, And that's

670
00:39:05,679 --> 00:39:08,079
how Professor Morrissey came to notice me. He was bowled

671
00:39:08,119 --> 00:39:11,159
over by the beauty of my design, and that's how

672
00:39:11,159 --> 00:39:16,000
I became his protege. But when I graduated and went

673
00:39:16,039 --> 00:39:20,519
to work, I found out something. The temple is always

674
00:39:20,559 --> 00:39:24,239
being destroyed. The Temple of Shiloh. I don't understand that

675
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,119
lovely temple. The Philistines destroyed it. And when I came

676
00:39:28,159 --> 00:39:31,239
out into the world, I discovered that wherever you build

677
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,199
a temple, no matter where it is, what it is,

678
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,840
the Philistines will always that's a great or destroy it.

679
00:39:37,079 --> 00:39:39,199
Speaker 5: And that's why you're no longer an architect.

680
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,199
Speaker 1: I don't want to fight the Philistines any longer.

681
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,039
Speaker 5: Maybe you didn't fight them long enough.

682
00:39:44,679 --> 00:39:45,599
Speaker 1: They always win.

683
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 5: And is that what you're trying to do now, be

684
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:48,599
killed at Shiloh.

685
00:39:48,639 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be killed.

686
00:39:50,119 --> 00:39:53,039
Speaker 5: Yes. As time goes on, the battle becomes more and

687
00:39:53,199 --> 00:39:57,719
more real. The Holy Temple and Morrissey the keeper and protector,

688
00:39:58,039 --> 00:40:02,199
and Spencer the practical man of and Wallace who takes

689
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:07,800
away initiative. You all come together at shiloh Oh. Yes

690
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:12,559
you do, Oliver, listen to me. You can't live in

691
00:40:12,639 --> 00:40:15,800
two worlds of fantasy. One must be real.

692
00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 1: I have a real world, this one.

693
00:40:18,199 --> 00:40:20,159
Speaker 2: No more, and more.

694
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 5: This one becomes an illusion and the other becomes the reality.

695
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,239
Soon you'll be back there. Your life will.

696
00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 2: Be back there.

697
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: I don't have that much of an imagination, will be real.

698
00:40:31,199 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 5: And the next time you go back to fight the

699
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:39,599
Battle of Shiloh, you'll be dead. Major Morrissey died at Shiloh.

700
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:41,159
Speaker 1: How do you know?

701
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,119
Speaker 5: Because I did what you were always afraid I do.

702
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:50,679
I looked up the records Morrissey's rifles save the day,

703
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:56,880
but they were wiped out after Shiloh. They no longer existed.

704
00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:03,559
Speaker 1: Our orders as a hole here at the river, we

705
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:05,000
will obey those orders.

706
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Speaker 5: Don't go back there, Oliver.

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Speaker 1: Don't fire the way you would train the fire Steady, calmly,

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pick your targets, keep under cover.

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Speaker 5: Oliver come back, will comes back, Oliver, goodbye, No, Oliver,

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you will be killed.

711
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Speaker 1: I have to go. The Philippines are attacking Shiloh.

712
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Speaker 5: You said it, Oliver, you said it yourself. The Philippines

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are always attacking.

714
00:41:29,039 --> 00:41:32,320
Speaker 1: Shiloh, always attacking, always destroying old pipe.

715
00:41:32,119 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 2: For Oliver comes back.

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Speaker 1: Goodbye, Wilver, such a beautiful woe. Why do so many

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00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,559
battles begin on a beautiful more? Oliver, you will die

718
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I'm willing to die for Shiloh.

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Speaker 5: Don't die for Shiloh. Live for Shiloh.

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Speaker 1: Live for it here and now. Don't go back one

721
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hundred years.

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00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 2: Fight for it now here will Oliver.

723
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Speaker 5: The Philistines are attacking here and now save Shiloh.

724
00:41:57,639 --> 00:41:59,639
Speaker 1: Cat be saying, don't switch.

725
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Speaker 5: Fight for it here, fight now.

726
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Speaker 1: Men need me.

727
00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 5: Those men need nothing. There are hundred years dead.

728
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Speaker 6: We need you, Oliver.

729
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Speaker 5: I need you, come back, come back, come back and

730
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build a hundred shallows.

731
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Speaker 2: And he did. The temple is built so that it

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will be destroyed, so that it will be rebuilt again.

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And this is the story that is told and retold

734
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over the centuries we have seen, and as it will

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be retold in the times that are to come. I

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shall return shortly. We are revers For more information, Ride Bicycles, Washington,

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d C two O to O seven the US Consumer

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Product Safety Commission. The hidden place, the secret place that

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exists within us. All becomes a world, a second world,

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and sometimes we feel we can live in both worlds,

741
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the one inside and the one outside. But this isn't true,

742
00:43:24,199 --> 00:43:29,880
because sooner or later we must choose. The secret world

743
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:34,559
is Shiloh, and we must always decide whether we shall

744
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be the builders or the destroyers of the temple. Our

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cast included Howard da Silva, Joan Lovejoy, Robert Dryden, Joan Shay.

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Speaker 1: And Russell Horton.

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Speaker 2: The entire production was under the direction of Hymon Brown

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and now a preview of our next tale. Do you

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think I but show million bocs.

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Speaker 1: That good Lord, I've killed him.

751
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Speaker 2: I've killed him.

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Speaker 1: Radio Mystery Theater were sponsored in part by.

753
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Speaker 2: Anheuser Busch Incorporated, brewers of Budweiser and Buick Motor Division.

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This is E. G. Marshall inviting you to return to

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our Mystery Theater for another adventure.

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Speaker 1: In the macabre.

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Speaker 2: Until next time, pleasant dreams.

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Speaker 4: Yeah,

