Speaker 1: Come in Welcome. I'm e. G.
Speaker 2: Marshall, concierge of this halfway Hotel, located somewhere between reality
and illusion and convenient to both. We speak of reality
and illusion as if they are two separate and distinct states.
But are they? Can one exist without the other? Aren't
they like pain and pleasure, love and hate, life and death,
two opposites inseparably linked together, like the two sides of
the same coin. Yes, and so close are they that
it's hard to tell where one begins and the other ends.
Speaker 3: Major Morrissey, you realize you are disobeying a written order
of General Wallace.
Speaker 1: I realize that, Lieutenant, But General Rollers won't care what.
You'll be dead too, you.
Speaker 4: Major, have you taken leave of your mind?
Speaker 1: Tomorrow there will be battle.
Speaker 4: There can't be. The enemy isn't within miles.
Speaker 1: In eight hours we will all be dead. We will
die bravely.
Speaker 4: Major. Are you saying you can see into the.
Speaker 1: Future That that's impossible. Nobody can see into the future.
I can, Lieutenant, I've been there.
Speaker 2: Our mystery drama The Other Self was written especially for
the Mystery Theater by Sam Dan and stars Howard da Silva.
It is sponsored in part by Buick Motor Division and
Anheuser Busch Incorporated, brewers of Budweiser. I'll be back shortly
with Act one to the men.
Speaker 1: Plies and the station.
Speaker 2: The belt is about two feet wide and the one
hundred feet long. It moves slowly and carried on it
is a row of things. Well, they start off as
single things, smallish tubular plastic things. But all along the
one hundred feet of slowly moving belt they stand men
and women, and each in turn adds something or does something,
then waits about four seconds, and then a fresh new
thing comes by on the belt. Take Oliver Towndrand, a
tall blonde couple about two thirds of the way down
the line. Well, every four seconds, here's what he does.
He picks up a thing, gives the rotating end of
it a turn, taps it with his finger, uses it
with one touch of a special heat gun, sends it
on its way, and takes up the next. And he
does it to a kind of rhythm. He says, turn, tap, zap.
And he does this every day for eight hours. How
does he keep from going mad? Maybe he doesn't turn
touch such turn, touch that.
Speaker 1: Turn.
Speaker 2: I don't know what else I can tell you, doctor Heckman.
Oh excuse me. Yeah, well, how do we stand today?
Speaker 1: La? No that much?
Speaker 2: You know, well, the overall percentage for the month is
not going to be too good. Yeah, all right, we
were just talking about this, doctor Heckman. Absenteeism on the
first shift is twenty percent. That means one in five
workers did not show up.
Speaker 5: And this is your usual pattern, mister Wallace.
Speaker 2: It is getting to be our usual pattern.
Speaker 5: These are all production line workers.
Speaker 2: That's where we hurt.
Speaker 5: But it's any consolation. Most production line workers have the
same problem.
Speaker 2: No, that doesn't help me. Orders are piling up, I
can't fill them.
Speaker 5: Why don't your employees show up?
Speaker 2: Why they call in sick?
Speaker 5: Mostly are they sick?
Speaker 2: I guess they are think of working.
Speaker 5: You must admit these are dull, monotonous jobs.
Speaker 2: So what can I do about that?
Speaker 5: Dory? I make the job exciting?
Speaker 2: Exciting?
Speaker 5: Oh interesting, interesting?
Speaker 2: Oh good lord.
Speaker 5: You could, for example, very the rhythm of the production line,
have the place painted in more interesting colors, the line
itself alternated with the components. Could be things like pictures,
little puzzle slogans.
Speaker 2: But my people have to watch what they're doing. They
have to concentrate even music is out.
Speaker 5: Then eliminate the jobs. Cat a machine be devised that.
Speaker 2: Would no, no, because those components have to be finger tightened.
You can't get a machine that can feel it or
sense it.
Speaker 5: Still, there must be people who actually thrive in this
kind of work situation.
Speaker 2: I never found any Is.
Speaker 5: There anybody here who loves his work?
Speaker 2: I never heard anybody say they love the production line.
Speaker 5: But they don't have to say it. There can be
other testimony. I'm like, what like a good record of attendance.
Let's study the characteristics of those people.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, there is one guy. The foreman was
talking about him just the other day. He's been working
for me eight years, eight years, and in all that
time he hasn't even been absent once.
Speaker 5: Well, then a clinical study is definitely in order.
Speaker 2: His name is Oliver Townsend.
Speaker 1: Turn that.
Speaker 2: Turneth turn.
Speaker 1: Coffee rerecord.
Speaker 5: Listen to Oliver Townsend.
Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, that's me.
Speaker 5: Well, my name is a Roman hickman. May I talk
with you for sure?
Speaker 1: Why?
Speaker 5: Well, I'm I'm a psychologist.
Speaker 1: I'm kidding. I think that's great.
Speaker 5: Why do you think it's great? Why do you think
my being a psychologist is great?
Speaker 1: Because it's better than not being a psychologist.
Speaker 5: I'm afraid I don't understand.
Speaker 1: It's so simple. Look, why are you a psychologist?
Speaker 5: Because that's always been my ambition.
Speaker 1: Right, So wouldn't it be terrible if you didn't become
a psychologist? I see you think I'm crazy? Oh no, no, oh,
don't let it bother you. Everybody thinks I'm crazy.
Speaker 5: What do you think?
Speaker 1: Fifty million freshmen can't be wrong?
Speaker 2: What does that mean?
Speaker 1: Our dough boys used to say that during World War One?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: You notice I call them dough boys. Each war has
a different nickname for the American soldier.
Speaker 2: Really, Yeah.
Speaker 1: The British are always called Tommy's Tommy Atkins, that is,
but we keep changing. In World War Two, our boys
were called g I Joe. Civil War it was Johnny
reb and Billy Yank.
Speaker 5: Are you interested in wars?
Speaker 1: Yeah? My war's the Civil War? Is it? I should
drive your nuts? But actually, people around here give me
a nickname, Shiloh, Shiloh. Didn't you ever hear the Battle
of Shiloh? It was also called Pittsburgh lamb Oh.
Speaker 5: Yes, I think I remember?
Speaker 1: You think you remember? Well? I'm I sort of made
the battle of Shiloh my life's work. Yeah, you could
say that. Why why not some people play golf, other's
bowl hunt, fish shot, I've got the Battle of Shiloh.
Do you work here? Well, I do for a while
when you have to see the Battle of Shiloh where
over at my place. The reason I asked that you
seem interested, I mean, when most folks think I'm a nut,
are harmless but a nut? A lot of interesting people
were at the Battle of Shiloh.
Speaker 5: Yes, I'm sure.
Speaker 1: The Confederates lost. The best general they had next to
Robert E. Lee, General Albert Sidney Johnson. They also had
Beauregard and Braxton Bragg. So you're not really interested, Oh
I am?
Speaker 5: I am?
Speaker 1: Of course you had Grant commanding the Federals and General
Lou Wallace. You heard of Lou Wallace when he came
home from the war, he wrote, Ben hur there was
another General Wallace too, Bill Wallace. Really, for some reason,
I feel very close to him and to that whole
Indiana Corps.
Speaker 5: Mister Thompson, about your job.
Speaker 1: We I mean they turned the tie at Shiloh.
Speaker 5: Do you like the work you do, especially.
Speaker 1: An outfit that attached to them Morrissey's rifles.
Speaker 5: Do you prefer it to other kinds of thing?
Speaker 1: We called it a brigade, but it was just an
oversized company.
Speaker 5: Tell me what aspects of the job make it desirable.
Speaker 1: But I've got all these soldiers you see, made out
of lead and tin, and everything's authentic. I mean, the
uniforms at all.
Speaker 5: Is it a question of being happy with your work?
Speaker 1: I got everything and everybody lined up just the way
they were that April morning in eighteen sixty two. You
have to see it, the line starting up. I better
get with its. Excuse me, turn?
Speaker 5: Did you really mean it turn when you asked me
to see the Battle of Shadows?
Speaker 1: Except?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 5: When how about tonight? Fine?
Speaker 1: Turn? Set over? Even, Aunt Clara, I am true.
Speaker 6: But when you said you were bringing someone home to supper,
I didn't assume it would be a lady.
Speaker 1: Friend, Aunt Clara.
Speaker 5: This is why she's pretty.
Speaker 1: This is doctor Heckman, my Aunt Claa.
Speaker 5: Doctor Oliver.
Speaker 6: Did you bring a doctor to see me?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 5: There isn't something wrong.
Speaker 1: Doctor Heckman is going to see the Battle of Shiloh Oh.
Speaker 5: I might have known. Oh oh, please, hey, come in, thank.
Speaker 1: You now, Aunt Clara? Will you entertain the doctor while
I get my men set up. Uh it love me
take a couple of minutes.
Speaker 6: Well won't you sit down, doctor?
Speaker 5: Oh please call me Wilma.
Speaker 6: What's a pretty girl like you doing being a doctor?
Speaker 5: Well, I'm I'm really a doctor of philosophy.
Speaker 6: No, that's even worse. Well, when I saw you standing
in the doorway, I said, oh my, maybe now he
found himself a girl, and he'll come back to this life.
Speaker 5: This I as distinguished from which life? Well, the crazy
one he's leading now, Oh you mean at the factory. No,
I mean at the Battle of Charlot. I don't understand.
Speaker 6: Oh, he's back there all right, his mind, his heart.
There are times when I even think.
Speaker 5: Neville. Tell me, no, you'll think I'm crazy. There at
times when you even think.
Speaker 6: I even think his body is back there.
Speaker 5: Well, that that's you.
Speaker 6: See. You're trying not to say it. You're trying not
to say that's crazy.
Speaker 5: Well, tell me why you think so. No, I don't
have to tell you.
Speaker 6: Look at him when he talks, Listen to what he says.
You'll believe it yourself.
Speaker 1: Well, everything's ready. How much time do we have before dinner? Well?
Speaker 6: How long is the battle gonna last.
Speaker 1: Oh, just a couple of minutes.
Speaker 6: Well in that case, far away.
Speaker 1: Now you see why I need the whole basement.
Speaker 5: Well it it's I don't know what to say. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: You have to realize it's nowhere near the real thing.
Speaker 5: These tables end to end, but they occupy the whole floor.
And the soldiers. Soldiers, there must be thousands.
Speaker 1: It looks like a lot, but you have to remember
there were over eighty thousand men involved. I don't have
anywhere near that.
Speaker 5: Oh, these pictures on the walls, Ugh, I recognize General Grad.
Oh wait, that general is standing high above the battle
of the table. He's also General Grad. Right, how did
you get that little statue to look like General Grant?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just bought a little statue of
a horseman dressed like a Union Army general, and after
a while it began to look like Grant.
Speaker 5: What are you telling me?
Speaker 1: The true And look at the other officers. Now compare
them with their pictures on the wall. That's Beauregard, and
that's Buell and Bragg and Johnson and Wallace.
Speaker 5: That's fantastic. How did you get these made up?
Speaker 1: I keep telling you I just bought ten soldiers in
Civil War uniforms and after a war.
Speaker 5: Wait a min'te this one? This one here? Who's that?
Speaker 1: Oh, that's Major Morrissey, commanding officer of Morrissey's Rifles.
Speaker 5: That's uncanny.
Speaker 1: What's uncanny?
Speaker 5: This tin soldier? His face, it looks exactly like you.
Speaker 2: Oh right. You never know where these things go, do you.
Now Here, we have a nice, rather conservative lady psychology,
just trying to solve one of the most searing problems
of our highly technical age, boredom. And if she's not careful,
she's going to find herself dodging bullets at the Battle
of Shiloh, which took place more than a century ago. Well,
dig in, I'll return in a few moments with that too.
Speaker 1: Difference.
Speaker 2: You've heard it said of certain people in certain parts
of our country that they're still fighting the Civil War. Well,
you'd be surprised at how many people are still fighting
the Civil War, reliving it, restaging it, rethinking it, and
why not. It was a war that burned deep into
our notional consciousness, a war we can't forget, a thoroughly,
completely uniquely American war, a complex war, a deep, brooding
and mysterious war. And like all wars, it brought out
the best in US and the worst in US.
Speaker 5: This ten soldier, the one who's supposed to be Major Morrissey,
he looks exactly like you.
Speaker 1: It's your imagination, but.
Speaker 5: Anyone who can see would have to admit it.
Speaker 1: Probably, But it's a coincidence. Now I promised you the battle.
It is dawn Sunday morning, April fifth. The Confederates under
General Hardy move against General Prentices Division. I made up
a special soundtrack out of table. Fighting is general and
spreads all along the wide. Now the gunboats come down
the river, and here is where Morsse's right make such
an important But wait, what is it? Cease firing?
Speaker 5: With something wrong?
Speaker 1: Something, something's terribly wrong. What Marrissey's rifles? Look at them?
What about imposition near the river bank?
Speaker 4: See how I've placed them?
Speaker 5: Well, isn't isn't that what they're supposed to be doing?
Speaker 1: What happened to their rifles? Rifles?
Speaker 5: Well, each one of them seems to have a rifle.
Speaker 1: Those aren't the rifles we they carried into the Battle
of Shiloh.
Speaker 2: I don't understand something.
Speaker 1: Something went wrong. And Clara, and Clara come in here.
Speaker 6: Well, now, what's all that's hollering about?
Speaker 1: And Clara, who's been in this room while I've been gone?
Speaker 6: Nobody.
Speaker 1: I don't say that nobody ever comes into this rule
somebody's been in here.
Speaker 6: That's impossible.
Speaker 1: I can prove it. These soldiers. See what am I
supposed to see? These soldiers they represent Marssey's rifles.
Speaker 6: Oh, none of that means a thing to me.
Speaker 1: Somebody took away their rifle?
Speaker 5: Oh now, who want to do a thing like that?
Speaker 1: And Clara has any body?
Speaker 6: No, I'm no expert, but even I can tell they
still have their rifle.
Speaker 5: Oliver, why do you say they don't have their rifles?
Speaker 1: With the rifles they're carrying? These were the fifty eight
caliber US Model eighteen sixty ones. So, but Morrissey's men
were armed with spencers.
Speaker 6: Oh but these are just ten soldiers.
Speaker 1: They are not ten soldiers.
Speaker 5: Oh right, they're lead soldiers.
Speaker 1: They didn't go into combat with the guns they're carrying now,
because if they add, the Union forces would have lost
the Battle of Shiloh.
Speaker 6: You know, dinners just about ready.
Speaker 1: Let me explain something to you. It was the spencer
repeating rifles that turned the tide.
Speaker 2: Finally, Well, I have no reason to doubt that.
Speaker 1: See these eighteen sixty ones. You see it's unbelievable how
difficult they were to use. That's why I promised my
men's spencers. The eighteen sixty one took a paper cottridge.
You would tear the powder end open with your teeth,
empty the powder down the barrel, ram the bullet down
on top of it.
Speaker 6: You follow this, you're holding me the way a snake
hypnotize of the bird.
Speaker 1: You pull the hammer halfway back, adjust your percussion cap,
and then finally you're ready to fire. Do you realize
that was the gun most men used on both sides? Really,
just for certain commanders were able to buy their men
better weapons. I that is, Marssey bought spencers for the
whole company.
Speaker 5: If you'd excuse me, I don't understand.
Speaker 1: We have just started the Battle of Shiloh, and Marssey's men,
who saved the day with their rapid firing spencers, are
going into combat with the old muskets. They can hardly
get off two shots a minute.
Speaker 5: Well, the Battle of Shiloh has been over for many years,
so does it really matter? What these toy soldiers carry?
Speaker 1: Yes, it matters. The truth always matters. Now, what happened
to the spencers? These men were carrying spencers?
Speaker 6: H Why don't we have dinner and then maybe like
both eat sheep, they'll come home again. She's a nice girl, Oliver.
Speaker 1: You should nobody came in here.
Speaker 6: I believe you could have done.
Speaker 5: You could have seen her home.
Speaker 1: Why would anybody want to come here and change those rifles?
How could anybody do it?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 6: Maybe she's a little bit too intelligent for you, but
you need someone with brains.
Speaker 1: I wish would leave me be, Aunt Clara.
Speaker 6: Then maybe you'd leave that production line job and go
back to being an architect, which is what you studied for.
Speaker 1: There are enough ugly buildings in this world without my
adding any I.
Speaker 6: Won't say another word.
Speaker 1: Play with the soldiers.
Speaker 6: If that's all you want out of life.
Speaker 1: Good night, Aunt Clara, Yeah.
Speaker 6: Well good night.
Speaker 1: What could have happened to those rifles?
Speaker 2: What could have happened? Have you discovered anything, doctor Heckmann, Yes, mister.
Speaker 5: Wallace, in a general way, I've discovered Wallace. Now why
does your name seem so familiar?
Speaker 2: I can't imagine?
Speaker 5: And why have you discovered the ideal type for this
job is someone with a disassociative personality.
Speaker 2: What does that mean?
Speaker 5: Just what you think it might. You need people who
live in two worlds?
Speaker 2: Oh, how can anybody live in two worlds?
Speaker 5: Your face? Where have I seen you a face before?
Speaker 4: Ah?
Speaker 2: About those people who live in two worlds?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 5: Uh, Well most of us do it to a degree,
even you me. Don't you have a day dream?
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm far too busy.
Speaker 5: Mean you have no secret place where you can be
somebody else?
Speaker 2: Well, admit it? Do I? Do you have one?
Speaker 5: We all have our two places, the open one in
the world and the secret one that exists within ourselves.
Which is more important to you, the life you lead
in secret or the one everyone knows about. Don't answer
that too quickly.
Speaker 2: I imaginations all very well, but reality is fine.
Speaker 5: Then the people you need are the ones for whom
the secret place is more important. Men like Oliver Townsend
hire people like Oliver Townshend.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, yeah.
Speaker 5: Wallas, I've heard that name and I've seen that face.
Speaker 2: What do you mean? Okay, all right, I'll talk to
you later. Well, thank you very much, doctor Heckman.
Speaker 5: Actually I haven't even started.
Speaker 2: And straighten this out. You may be finished.
Speaker 5: What do you say?
Speaker 1: I am saying.
Speaker 2: We got a guy working here named Oliver Townsend. He
hasn't missed a day's work in eight years, so you
talked to him, and this morning, for the first time,
he's absent. But that's things are bad enough.
Speaker 5: Mister Wallace. I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation.
Speaker 2: Well, if there is, you had better come up with it.
What could have what could have happened to those rifles?
Speaker 1: What happened?
Speaker 4: What Oliver?
Speaker 5: Oliver?
Speaker 1: Oh? Oh, I guess I must have dozed off.
Speaker 6: You've been down here all night, all night? Was it
seven o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1: I must have fallen asleep.
Speaker 6: Well you'd better think about getting ready for work.
Speaker 5: Work all tide, breakfast right away?
Speaker 1: No work? Uh, I can't go this morning?
Speaker 6: What Oliver, you realize it's the first time how many years?
Speaker 1: Call in for me? Aunt Clara Sam sick?
Speaker 5: I hate to lie, you know it.
Speaker 1: Is.
Speaker 6: There's something the matter with you, Oliver.
Speaker 1: I've got a problem the rifles. I'm having a problem
with the rifles.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well I'll call in and say you're sick.
Speaker 1: What could have happened? Oh? Who goes that. Major morris say, Major,
we've been waiting for you to come back. What's wrong.
Speaker 2: They want to take our spencer rifles away. Fomas, What
are you saying We're going to trade our spencer rifles?
They stand at USA team sink you one who says
so direct order from General Wallace. There's lieutenant from his
headquarters waiting on you, and you can't.
Speaker 1: You can't have my rifles, Lieutenant, Sir.
Speaker 4: I have the order here from General Wallace.
Speaker 1: Those weapons of the personal property.
Speaker 4: No, no, sir.
Speaker 3: When your unit was mustered into the service, your equipment
became the property of the United States Army, and Headquarters
feels that this particular equipment can be used more effectively elsewhere.
Speaker 1: Once today's date, it's Saturday, able to sif that's right?
Tomorrow is Sunday, April.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I would venture to say so, sir, if you would
sign the receipt. No, I'm afraid I can't sign that receipt.
Speaker 4: But Major you must sign.
Speaker 1: Corporal yes, hey, assemble a squad onload our expenses from
this officer's wagon. Major Morrissey, that is insubordination. I have
a written order. Not anymore.
Speaker 4: Corporal in the name of General William Wallace. I order
you not.
Speaker 1: You've heard what I said, Carporal, I'll get moving, Yes, sir, Major,
surely you don't think you can get away with this.
I think I can. The General will be down here
himself the first thing tomorrow morning. No, he won't. But
how can you say that, because by tomorrow morning the
Battle of Shiloh will have begun.
Speaker 4: The Battle of Shiloh. What's that?
Speaker 1: There's a little church, a little country church, a couple
of miles south of here, and the folks call it Shiloh,
and that'll be the center of the fighting when the
rebels attack. Major, there isn't gonna be a battle tomorrow.
Speaker 3: The rebels won't attack. They're waiting for us to attack now, Sir,
so far no harm has been done.
Speaker 1: And General Wallace needs those rifles now is in exactly
eight hours from now? General Wallace isn't going to need anything.
He needs to distribute those spences among the sharp shooter platoons.
It's important to him. Eight hours from now, nothing is
going to be important to General Wallace.
Speaker 4: Major, what are you saying?
Speaker 1: What's your name, Lieutenant but Butterfield? But what are you Butterfield?
Do you have a wife listening at Butterfield or a girl.
Speaker 4: Major, will you listen to.
Speaker 1: Real back to your temp Lieutenant, write a letter to
your wife or your girl. If there's something you felt
you never really told her, tell her now, Oliver. Oh,
oh hello, he let me turn it off.
Speaker 5: Don't let me interrupt anything.
Speaker 1: I'd like you to see the whole thing from the beginning.
I just got to the point where General Wallace is killed. Yeah,
you see he was Wallace, WILLIAMH. Wallace.
Speaker 5: That's where I heard the name before.
Speaker 1: I got his picture on the wall.
Speaker 4: See up there, Oliver, General Wallace.
Speaker 5: Look at him. Who does he remind you of? I
don't know the resemblance. The resemblance is uncanny.
Speaker 1: I still don't know.
Speaker 5: The face is the same, and the name is this
That could be a.
Speaker 1: Picture of your boss, mister Wallace.
Speaker 5: I've never seen such a likeness.
Speaker 1: I never noticed it before.
Speaker 5: Oh yes, you have, Oliver. You have.
Speaker 2: People from the past, keep intertwining with people from the present.
When Oliver Townsend combines himself with Major Morrissey, we may
very well suspect that this might be going on in
his own head. But we have a Brigadier general William H.
Wallace and an industrialist named William H. Wallace, and both
of them look alike. And that isn't confined to Oliver's head.
That's a fact. There will be more facts feed upon
her when I return with Act three. Oh, ol we
all sot up shaven cream are a prescription. It's my hemorrhoids,
mister Edwards, what do we know so far? We know
that there are many disassociative personalities. In other words, people
who live in two worlds. The first is a world
they share more or less with everybody, and the second
is a world that is all their very own. And
things go along very well for a while, but sooner
or later the worlds start to.
Speaker 1: Get mixed up.
Speaker 5: Oliver, this picture of General Wallas, Where did you get it?
Speaker 1: I have a great, big album. It has photographs of
all the Civil War generals. They're all authentic, and I
cut them out of the book and put them on
the walls.
Speaker 5: There are two worlds. You live in two worlds.
Speaker 1: What are you saying?
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. In one world you're Oliver Townshend,
a production line worker. In the other, you're Major Morrissey,
commander of the Civil war rifle unit.
Speaker 2: I would.
Speaker 5: You won't admit it, but you keep giving it away.
You keep seeing yourself as Morrissey. Now that's true, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 5: But now now there's another person who seems to be
common to both worlds.
Speaker 4: Wallace.
Speaker 5: In this world, he's Oliver Townshend's employer. What was General
Wallace to Major Morrissey in that other world?
Speaker 1: General Wallace he was Morrissey's superior officer.
Speaker 5: And what was the relationships between Wallace and Morrissey?
Speaker 1: They they had very little to do with each.
Speaker 5: Other, very little or nothing at all.
Speaker 1: Well, it was Wallace us who took away the Spencers
from Morrissey, just before Shiloh Wallis took.
Speaker 5: Away the Spensers. Yes, I want to tell me why
did you become interested in the Civil War?
Speaker 1: I don't know, it just happened how long ago?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: I was always interested?
Speaker 2: I guess what do you mean by always?
Speaker 1: I may have been born interested.
Speaker 5: Nobody is born with an interest in anything. These things
are created by what, by opportunity, personality, experience.
Speaker 1: A fellow becomes a nut on Golfer's stamps, but a
nut the way I'm supposed to be a nut on Shiloh. No,
you gotta be born with it.
Speaker 5: Do you mean to say you were interested in the
Civil War since the day you were born?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I guess that's what I mean.
Speaker 5: But how would you know?
Speaker 1: Well, suddenly it seems a guy goes overboard about certain things,
but the interest was always there. He mayn't have been
aware of it.
Speaker 5: And then one day, just how long have you been
studying the Battle of Shiloh A while?
Speaker 1: I guess?
Speaker 5: And what other battles have you analyzed?
Speaker 1: Huh? None? Why? Well, it's just Shiloh is so interesting.
Speaker 5: And why are you so concerned with Morrissey's rifles?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 5: And after Shiloh, where did Marsi's rifles go where?
Speaker 1: Well, they must have fought their way farther south. I
never thought about it. What are you trying to say?
Speaker 5: I don't know yet. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Turn turns it happens.
Speaker 1: Turn it happens.
Speaker 5: Have a cup of coffee.
Speaker 1: Oh, oh, thanks, I haven't seen you around lately.
Speaker 5: Turn tapsap, turn tap sap. Eight hours a day, that's
how it goes, eight hours a day. Why do you
do it?
Speaker 1: I need it?
Speaker 5: Why do you need it?
Speaker 1: I have to make a living. I need a job.
Speaker 5: Why do you need this job?
Speaker 1: It's the only one I can get.
Speaker 5: Why aren't you designing things like buildings?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: Say, where have you been?
Speaker 5: Where have you been?
Speaker 1: I asked you first in Washington on a job.
Speaker 5: It was related to a job. So now where have
you been?
Speaker 1: Here? Where else?
Speaker 5: Part of the time and the rest of the time,
all around around Shiloh.
Speaker 1: You know I learned something from you? Really, to keep my.
Speaker 5: Mouth shut, I'm not aware that I taught you.
Speaker 1: You talk about those two worlds. The private one should
be just that private. My trouble was I let everyone
know about it.
Speaker 5: But do you want to know what I was doing
in Washington? I was looking up the records of the
Department of the Ohio, the Union Army Corps that fought
at Shiloh. What I was looking for Morris's rifles?
Speaker 1: Well, you could have asked me. They were attached to
the ninth Indiana.
Speaker 5: I know, and later all records of them were lost.
Speaker 1: Why it was a long time ago and not all
the records survive.
Speaker 5: Is that the reason?
Speaker 1: Well? Sure, Look, do you suppose I could see you afterwards?
I have to get back to work.
Speaker 5: At another minute, taps up. How can you do that
all day?
Speaker 1: I don't mind it.
Speaker 5: I suppose you do need it.
Speaker 1: That's what I told you. I needed to support myself.
Speaker 5: No, you need it to support your other world.
Speaker 1: Well no, doctor Hickman, that's going back a long time.
Speaker 5: Yes, I realized that, mister Spenser.
Speaker 4: It must be all of nine years.
Speaker 1: We've had a lot of young architects come and go
through this office. Oliver Townsend, you.
Speaker 5: Don't remember him, Yes, I remember him.
Speaker 1: I think I could have personnel look it up.
Speaker 5: Oh, thank you, But what I really need is your
own human reaction to him.
Speaker 1: As I recall, he didn't last long, maybe six months.
Speaker 5: Did you fire him?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: No, he quit?
Speaker 1: Why well, oh, now I remember he just walked into
my office one day and said, I don't think I
want to be an architect.
Speaker 5: Did he give you any reason?
Speaker 1: Well, I asked him. My said, son, don't you like architecture?
And he said, I like it, but it takes up
too much of my time and energy.
Speaker 5: Well, thank you, mister Spencer. Welcome, doctor Spencer. Spencer. Odd
that your name should be Spencer?
Speaker 1: Why is it odd that was my father's name?
Speaker 5: Well, there was, there was there still may be a
rifle called the Spencer, and it must have been named
after its inventor. Are you related?
Speaker 1: I think so distantly. Why do you ask.
Speaker 5: Wallace not Spencer? No, it was Spencer and then Wallace.
Speaker 1: I beg your pardon, mister Spencer.
Speaker 5: Why did you hire Oliver Townsend in the first place?
Speaker 3: He was highly recommended by one of the greatest architects
in the world, ahead of the Department State University Professor
Morrissey Morrissey, Yes.
Speaker 4: Doctor, are you all right? Is something the matter?
Speaker 1: Pajor Morrissey Litennant. If you tell General Wallace if he
wants my Spencer rifles, he can try to take them himself.
How did you know, Major? How did you know? How
did I know what that the rebels would attack?
Speaker 4: The battle's on. You're to form your men by.
Speaker 1: The river close by to the ravine at Bill's Branch, now,
Matt Cordon at eighteen.
Speaker 4: You are to hold there.
Speaker 1: You got to hold that position no matter what.
Speaker 5: Rador last night you said they'd attack.
Speaker 2: How'd you know?
Speaker 1: Now? I can show it to you properly because Morrissey's
men get the rifles back. You see these are Spencer's.
See how they differ from the muskets carried by the
other troops.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure I do.
Speaker 1: It's obvious these aren't muzzle loaders. These are breech loading repeaters.
That's why General Wallace tried to take them away.
Speaker 5: Spencer Wallace, Mercy, Now tell me one more thing. Why Shiloh, Shiloh.
Every one of these names appear in your life, your
real life, except Shiloh. Shiloh was a church. But what
else was Shiloh?
Speaker 1: It was? It was a biblical town in the land
of Ephraim, and there in a beautiful temple called Shiloh
was where the priests of Eli presided over the Holy sanctuary.
A temple, Yes, a beautiful temple, one of the first
of the temples. It was more than a tabernacle. It
was a temple, do you understand, yes, with walls and doors, pillars. Oh.
It was small, but it was magnificent. And it was
my first exercise in design when I studied at the university.
No one really knows what the Temple of Shadow looked like,
but I saw.
Speaker 4: It so clearly.
Speaker 1: Now you must really think I'm crazy. No, And that's
how Professor Morrissey came to notice me. He was bowled
over by the beauty of my design, and that's how
I became his protege. But when I graduated and went
to work, I found out something. The temple is always
being destroyed. The Temple of Shiloh. I don't understand that
lovely temple. The Philistines destroyed it. And when I came
out into the world, I discovered that wherever you build
a temple, no matter where it is, what it is,
the Philistines will always that's a great or destroy it.
Speaker 5: And that's why you're no longer an architect.
Speaker 1: I don't want to fight the Philistines any longer.
Speaker 5: Maybe you didn't fight them long enough.
Speaker 1: They always win.
Speaker 5: And is that what you're trying to do now, be
killed at Shiloh.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be killed.
Speaker 5: Yes. As time goes on, the battle becomes more and
more real. The Holy Temple and Morrissey the keeper and protector,
and Spencer the practical man of and Wallace who takes
away initiative. You all come together at shiloh Oh. Yes
you do, Oliver, listen to me. You can't live in
two worlds of fantasy. One must be real.
Speaker 1: I have a real world, this one.
Speaker 2: No more, and more.
Speaker 5: This one becomes an illusion and the other becomes the reality.
Soon you'll be back there. Your life will.
Speaker 2: Be back there.
Speaker 1: I don't have that much of an imagination, will be real.
Speaker 5: And the next time you go back to fight the
Battle of Shiloh, you'll be dead. Major Morrissey died at Shiloh.
Speaker 1: How do you know?
Speaker 5: Because I did what you were always afraid I do.
I looked up the records Morrissey's rifles save the day,
but they were wiped out after Shiloh. They no longer existed.
Speaker 1: Our orders as a hole here at the river, we
will obey those orders.
Speaker 5: Don't go back there, Oliver.
Speaker 1: Don't fire the way you would train the fire Steady, calmly,
pick your targets, keep under cover.
Speaker 5: Oliver come back, will comes back, Oliver, goodbye, No, Oliver,
you will be killed.
Speaker 1: I have to go. The Philippines are attacking Shiloh.
Speaker 5: You said it, Oliver, you said it yourself. The Philippines
are always attacking.
Speaker 1: Shiloh, always attacking, always destroying old pipe.
Speaker 2: For Oliver comes back.
Speaker 1: Goodbye, Wilver, such a beautiful woe. Why do so many
battles begin on a beautiful more? Oliver, you will die
I'm willing to die for Shiloh.
Speaker 5: Don't die for Shiloh. Live for Shiloh.
Speaker 1: Live for it here and now. Don't go back one
hundred years.
Speaker 2: Fight for it now here will Oliver.
Speaker 5: The Philistines are attacking here and now save Shiloh.
Speaker 1: Cat be saying, don't switch.
Speaker 5: Fight for it here, fight now.
Speaker 1: Men need me.
Speaker 5: Those men need nothing. There are hundred years dead.
Speaker 6: We need you, Oliver.
Speaker 5: I need you, come back, come back, come back and
build a hundred shallows.
Speaker 2: And he did. The temple is built so that it
will be destroyed, so that it will be rebuilt again.
And this is the story that is told and retold
over the centuries we have seen, and as it will
be retold in the times that are to come. I
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exists within us. All becomes a world, a second world,
and sometimes we feel we can live in both worlds,
the one inside and the one outside. But this isn't true,
because sooner or later we must choose. The secret world
is Shiloh, and we must always decide whether we shall
be the builders or the destroyers of the temple. Our
cast included Howard da Silva, Joan Lovejoy, Robert Dryden, Joan Shay.
Speaker 1: And Russell Horton.
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