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Speaker 1: Well, hello, welcome to Hobby Hotline, Episode three, twenty eight.

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I'm Danny Black. I'm gonna have some friends maybe joining

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me soon. We might take an abbreviated episode today as

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everybody gets back from the holidays, right back into a

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holiday weekend, so a lot of people traveling this weekend.

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Mad City Brew, We are definitely going to talk about

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you today. What's up? TJ? Yeah, Sad said, see Bob

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you gone. We're doing the turnaround. Might be a short

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one this morning, but good to see you, buddy. What's

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going on Steven so yeah? Uker? I mean, what do

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you say about him? He was the the ambassador of

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goodwill for baseball. What's going on everybody? And let me

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also definitely uh say hello to the sports card shop

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and get their banner going. Rex and the whole family

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over there doing it again. Yeah, Warren, this might be

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might be a real quick one this morning. Hate to

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do that to you guys, but we'll see solo on

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the flip turn here. What's going on, Orlando? How are you? Warren?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Good, see Warren in the room, fell Ball, good morning.

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If anybody wants to jump in NFL weekend, it is

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an NFL weekend. We've got Commanders, Eagles, Chiefs, and Texans,

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and if the Texans can pull it out, then just

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saying they come to Baltimore, Baltimore beats Buffalo, their host

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in a home conference championship. Yeah, like a drift, Era

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was born to walk alone. I'm telling you what's going on?

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All right? So let's uh, let's tell some Ucher stories

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real quick, some funny ones. Hopefully, what's going on? Larry

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uh Uker said that the best, uh, the best contract

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he ever had. He said, he had a fantastic contract

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with a uniform and equipment company. They paid him very

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good money to never wear their products. Uh in some

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of these If you were watching last night, you heard

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on card manches, but I just think they're hysterical. Uh Uker,

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who couldn't catch Phil Nicro's knuckleball, said he learned the secret.

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Just let it stop rolling and pick it up. He

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was he was, He was great. He called most brewery

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game straight as an arrow, and where he was his

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best was the blowouts. When it six nothing in the

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seventh on a Wednesday in July, that's when you got

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Yuker story. He got a player's share. I learned that

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when they when they would win in the playoffs, or

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when they went to the World Series. So I just

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think that's really really cool and said a lot about him.

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I showed his rookie card last night. That's a five place.

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He doesn't look great in the picture. Sorry, sorry, you

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couldn't have been happy with that piece either. He looks

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he looks like he's fty years old, his rookie his

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second year of card where he's by himself, he looks

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much better. He was a treasure. Thank goodness. I think

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we might have Chris jumping on here for a minute,

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you know, the other big story and got to talk

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about this Sazaki to l A, what do we think

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about that Dodgers again? I mean, is it over and done?

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Do they get whoever they want? And what's that going

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to do to cards?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: I can do my Larry King, Chris little Rock go.

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What do you guys think about Sazaki going to the Dodger?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 1: They go with a six man rotation? Bring Kershaw back

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at some point. Learn. I think baseball needs to fix

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you know, it's it's a tough situation and most people

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don't realize and maybe this is the answer. He's averaged

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about one hundred innings a season. All teams can do this,

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they could, they don't. The Dodgers just seem to win

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over and over. They seem to have a great recruiting.

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Reuben says, I'm disappointed the Dodgers got him. Wanted to

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see him go to San Diego and make the Dodgers earn.

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I'll be honest, I would have loved to see him

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go to San Diego. Absolutely. What's up? Fellas? And TJ says,

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Matt's the Dodgers. They're the Yankees of MLB, but with

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a better GM. I that's probably accurate. I could see that.

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Let's see if we have somebody calling it Krusher. You

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here in an audio only I'm here on audio only.

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I'm actually drying in my car right now. I feel like.

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Speaker 2: Calling.

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Speaker 3: John Newman reached out to me this week. Yeah. Well,

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Newman reached out to me this week saying that we're

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having some issues with possible co hosts that h if

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I can maybe call in and kill a few minutes.

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Speaker 1: So no, I appreciate you, buddy, You drive safely. Uh,

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what's going on in your mind? What do you think

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of Series one?

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Speaker 3: Uh? I think what tops is going I think what

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everybody's talking about are there are the parallels, right. They

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got rid of the hobby only black one, and there's

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a lot of complaining about that. I think if you

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look at the parallel structure, they're really trying to conform

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Tops's parallels with all the other brands of TOPS parallels

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like Chrome Bowman, Chrome B Bowman, Draft Finest. You have

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the one of one parallel, then the next level up

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is the red parallel, which is number to five. Then

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you have Orange to twenty five. You know the I

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think everybody knows the standard TOPS Rainbow by now, and

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for the longest time, the TOPS flagship kind of had

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its own thing where you had like the Father's Day

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to twenty five and the Mother's Day to twenty five,

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and they've kind of removed those and installed the Top

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standard rainbow. Another thing that they're doing, speaking of that rainbow,

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is there's going to be separate hobby parallels and separate

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retail parallels. So there's going to be a hobby only

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one to five and a retail only number to five,

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And the same thing with the Orange to twenty five

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separate ones, same thing with the Gold to fifty, Green

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to ninety nine, and do we really need this many

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parallels that are numbered to the same thing. I mean,

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this is something that I wrote about last year in

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Hobby News Daily, that just the sheer number of parallels

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in these products now and at the end of the day,

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I don't think many collectors are gonna want these cards

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in the long run.

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Speaker 1: No, they devalue themselves.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's the kind of there's the psychology

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of pulling a low numbered card. But if you're just

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pulling like a gold parallel number to fifty of some

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left handed one inning relief pitcher or a backup catcher,

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You're never gonna get rid of that card.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry you don't want that card.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of truth to that. All right, Well,

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I got to Orlando, who's jumping on screen with me,

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so I'll let you drive, Chris, alright, thanks, I appreciate

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you and as always, uh making the rest of us

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look bad in our backgrounds the man Orlando, what's going on? Buddy?

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Speaker 4: Hey, what's going on? Danny? I couldn't leave you alone

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there stranded here on the show.

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Speaker 1: Dude. I'm like Gilligan, you know, I just I just

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go to the island. Do my three hour tour. How

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are you?

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Speaker 4: How are you doing great? Just over at my mom's

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house here is going to take it at lunch in

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a little while, and listening to the show, I figured,

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you know what, I'll just hop on a little while.

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Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, absolutely. I don't know how long I'm

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going to go today. After last night's show, you know,

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the these double headers, the nighttime flipover. I'm getting too

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old for this, Orlando.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well next time, just text me, let me know

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and I'll join you.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. What's up? Yes, Steven, so real quick. Are you

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a Montgomery Club person?

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Speaker 4: No, I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm curious because somebody asked TJ asked about

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the future of the Montgomery Club, and I'm curious for

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people who have been members. I've heard a lot of

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a lot of people talking about it going downhill in

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the quality of what people are getting for their membership money.

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So if you want to put that in the chat,

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but let's talk about us.

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Speaker 4: I used to be a member of this. I used

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to be a member of the Stadium Club back in

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the day that that was kind of what they called

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it back then, and it was pretty good because they

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would send you a lot of stuff, and it was

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pretty limited. But I think the Montgomery Club has gotten

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so big now that it's just you know, a lot

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of stuff. But the quality of what they send you

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now is not what they would send you like two

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three years ago. And I know Mankini is a member

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of the club and he always shares what he gets.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not the same as it was. That's

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where I've heard people say, Yeah, Reuben says, man, the

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Orlando set beats everyone's. It does. He's actually he's actually

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in Iowa, guys. It's a fake background. Yeah, yeah, no,

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foll ball. It was actually a card Mentions episode every

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other Friday night. It was not a hobby hotline that's

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every Saturday morning on bench clar So what have you

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picked up recently, Orlando? Where are you shopping these days?

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I know I talked last night about what I'm looking for.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm actually saving up money for Strongsville. You know,

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I haven't really bought anything, just some minor things here

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and there, you know, But really I'm holding up because

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my boat right now are ready to kind of save

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up and really concentrate on some more bigger cards versus

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a lot of smaller cards, you know, like Mike Petty says,

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you know, I want some of the meat for the burrito,

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you know, not condiments.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: So I got plenty of condiments, and I'm looking to

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pick up some bigger cards. You know. I'm getting a

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few cards granted.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 4: I got to my Bob Uker grated last year and

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it came out of seven and a half and I

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was like, wow.

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Speaker 1: That's a tough card to actually center.

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Speaker 4: Well it's a high number with the you know, tough

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wood border. But you know, things like that are you know,

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I'm thinking about even possibly selling it now when the

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thing is hot to you know, to get a big

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card to strong Field. But really that's my goal to

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get a big pre war card, hopefully Walter Johnson or

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something like that.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely speak and you can bring it into existence. We

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have with us the one, the only John Mangi there.

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Speaker 2: He is could fellow collectors all alone.

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Speaker 1: No, I never never have colle I heard you're the

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man with the inside word on the Montgomery Club.

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Speaker 5: I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't have any inside word. I'm a member.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no inside word, you know what I mean.

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So I've heard it's really gone downhill, would you?

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Speaker 2: I would agree they don't really send anything anymore.

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Speaker 1: Well, that would be not a good thing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. They used to send like were four little sets

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a year, and you just get something unexpected. It was

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really nice oftentimes with an autograph.

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Speaker 2: I haven't gotten anything this year other than the complete set.

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Speaker 1: Well what as TJ says that they only gave one

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item in twenty twenty four, a special base set. Only

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one item. That's unbelievable. Only difference between the Montgomery and

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the regular sets was a special layer on the front.

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And they gave early access to product. That's that's gone

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way downhill.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's turned into more of an early access

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to product thing. And since I don't buy a lot

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of product, you know, that's that's.

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Speaker 2: Not why I joined. I joined for the special sets,

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which I really enjoy.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So what are you collecting and working on these days?

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What projects do you have.

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Speaker 5: I've been going after some bigger cards lately and just

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working on little I work on sets all the time.

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I have near sets from I don't know, T two

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Speaker 2: I work on all kind of.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and I always pick up some of the some

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of the rookies in the NFL MLB.

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Speaker 2: I work on those a little bit too. I collect everything.

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Speaker 1: Man, So what should Orlando do with is Bob Yucker?

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Should he sell it?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 4: Did I sell it down?

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Speaker 5: You could?

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Speaker 2: You could sell it and buy it right back in

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a month.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's a seven and a half, so

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I figured I could get like almost a grant for

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that card already.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, you know, I'm not a seller, but

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with the way prices are, you're almost stupid not to.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just ridiculous. If you saw what happened

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to the Ricky Henderson cards.

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Speaker 5: Uh, and then you know, like a month later, they're

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they're back to where they were.

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Speaker 4: And I don't have a problem buying a four. That's

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gonna be nicely centered, that's gonna look, you know, just

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as good as my seven and a half.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there are a lot of people doing that, selling

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their nines and tens and downgrade in one grade and

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and man, they're pocketing in a lot of cash. You

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can buy all the stuff you want.

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Speaker 1: Well, does this also come down to there really is

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the card not the number?

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Speaker 2: Well? You know, I don't Uh, I just did a

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video on this.

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Speaker 5: I don't understand the gigantic, the gigantic difference.

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Speaker 2: Between you know, nines and tens or whatever.

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Speaker 5: So a lot of collectors who don't really care about

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the number are selling their tens.

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Speaker 2: Or their nines and and picking up cards that they

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really want.

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Speaker 5: You know, my friend Rick has all these like PSA

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nines of common players in the sixties, and he's selling

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them for hundreds of dollars and buying you know, babe

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Ruths and stuff.

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Speaker 1: That's not a bad uh, not a bad upgrade.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think so, because.

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Speaker 1: That Ruth kit, I think is gonna make it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not sure he'll I'm not sure he'll stay

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a picture because he's such a good hitter.

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Speaker 1: Nobody can do both. John, that's not possible.

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Speaker 4: But I think that that's a good way to go

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get rid of a lot of those high great cards

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because you can pick them up so cheaply for you know,

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in grades four or five.

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Speaker 1: I've been on such a run of buying living Hall

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of Famer in lower grades better I appear, and been

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getting some unbelievable values and just building up the collection. Yeah,

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I was talking last night. I don't know. Yeah, And

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John I'm curious shoud go for a Bench Rookie of

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Brett Rookie or it was the third Yeah or the

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Jazz Rookie, Yeah, the yaz Rookies.

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Speaker 5: What do you think, John Well, I think the surprisingly

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I think the card that's most in demand out of

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those is the Brett Rookie especially, you know, it's hard

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to find him centered the seventy five set is susceptible

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to stuff. The Bench Rookie I have always found to

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be super undervalued my whole collecting light.

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Speaker 2: I think that card should be worth way more.

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Speaker 5: When you look at the difference between Nolan Ryan's Rookie

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and card in the same set, it's unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: The Yeah Rookie card is is awesome. You know, you

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can buy them anytime you want. There are a lot

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of cards where you.

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Speaker 5: Can buy anytime you want, right And so when I'm

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when I'm spending my hobby dollars, I I and I

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think Orlando is the same way. I'm trying to find

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those cards I can't find every day. It's like when

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you want to talk about fifty two Willie Mays, you

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know Bowman, the fifty two Mickey Mantle tops, all these cards.

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It's like you can go on eBay at any day

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on any day, at any time, and you can find

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at least ten of them anytime you want to spend

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the money. But then there are all these cards that

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you can go on eBay for six months and not

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find one.

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Speaker 2: And those are the cards.

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Speaker 5: That you know, I try to pick up for the

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for the most part, and sometimes there's just cards I always.

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Speaker 1: Want to Sorry, John, is that because you already own

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a lot of the other cards?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, probably yes, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I just, with all due respect, your

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collections a little bit well known.

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Speaker 4: Well, the thing is that if you go to card

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shows or anywhere, I mean you see those fifties and

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sixties and seventies vintage cards everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, sometimes, you know, after a while, after so many

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years of collecting, you get kind of tired of seeing

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those and most of them, like John said, either I

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have them or I had them, and now you want

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to go after stuff that really you don't see very often.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, if you go to a card show where the

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National it just blows my mind.

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Speaker 6: I mean you'll see one dealer who will have twenty

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seven nineteen sixty six Mickey mantles lined up there you

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could choose, and it's just more exciting at this point.

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Speaker 5: You know, I've seen these cards over and over all

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my life and on YouTube, everybody shows them over and over,

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these you know, these tops cards because that's the most popular.

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So to me, it's exciting when I see a card

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I've never seen before, It's like, I want to get

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that one.

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Speaker 1: That's one of the reasons I like Strongsville. I think

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Strongsville's got a little bit of this of I don't

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want to say more than the National, but it does

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hold its own for a smaller show of rarer stuff.

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I know there was things I found at Strongsville that

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I did not find at the National a couple of

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years ago, and that could just be hit or missed

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depending on what dealers have at the time. But I

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you know, I spout the love for Strongsville all the time.

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If I'll tell everybody out there, if you haven't been,

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go Yeah.

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Speaker 4: The good thing about Strongsville is just it's like five

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percent vintage and pre war. So most of the big

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big dealers, I mean, they're going to go there because

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they know that people like us are going to attend

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that show.

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Speaker 1: Right, it is for it is for the super nerd.

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Speaker 4: Right right.

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Speaker 5: So what do you guys think about the future of

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vintage with younger collectors, modern collectors?

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Speaker 2: Where do you think it's going?

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Speaker 1: Orlando? You want to take it?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 4: I mean I'm seeing it now. A lot of collectors,

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you know, are getting a lot of the modern collectors

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that you still would do breaking and stuff but kind

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of getting out. A lot of them aren't even on

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eBay or doing very little on I mean on YouTube anymore.

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So I think a lot of them are moving to vintage.

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I was even looking at a video yesterday one of

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these you know flippers, Mary Gamble Gamble. She was even

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getting a Mickey Mantle card. So I saw some of

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these people, I'm going, you know, hey, they maybe they're

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they're moving down and seeing some of these cards that

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are going to be a lot more stable than the

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Justin Herbert's that they've been picking up. So I do

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think that not everyone, but there's gonna be a small

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percentage of these guys that are gonna start getting into

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vintage eventually, you know, you.

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Speaker 5: Know, I was more comes next. I was watching her

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video today. I enjoy I enjoy her. I think she

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does a good job. I don't know why I enjoy her.

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I don't really need to see her put on.

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Speaker 2: Her makeup or whatever, but other than that, I enjoy it.

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Speaker 5: But I saw some little kid, I mean some little

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kid showing out six hundred and fifty bucks and buying

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a card from her, and I'm like, oh my god,

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how times have changed. I used to scrounge up seven

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bucks to buy a dream card.

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Speaker 1: I do believe that Vintage will always be where people

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who have curiosity in the hobby and want to know

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where stuff came from and have an appreciation for the

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history of the sport, not just the cards. I think

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that'll keep Vintage strong for forever. I think vintage was

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popular in the eighties, popular in the nineties, and you know,

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it may go up and down a little bit, but

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you know that game can't be told without the vintage card.

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Those players are are the fabric.

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Speaker 5: My question always is do people care about the history

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like you know my generation did, Because if you look

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at some of the greatest players to ever play the

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game Rogers hornsby George Sisler, a lot of these guys,

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they you know, they just seem so undervalue you. If

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you're bidding on auctions like you can get them cheap,

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and these are some of the greatest players ever playing,

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and you even even many of the Hall of Famers.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think there is, like Chris Seeker, but you know,

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it's kind of I think it's a challenge to get

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these these newer collectors to get into vintage, but I

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think once they get into vintage.

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Speaker 4: They'll get into the history of it. I think initially

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the tough part is to get them to have interest

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in vintage first. But once you get in it, you know,

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it's like the the rabbit hole that you just can't

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get out. Pre war is the same thing. Once you

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get into that, you can't get out. You know, it

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sucks you right in because there's so many different sets,

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different things that you can look at, not just the

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regular top issues.

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Speaker 5: It always fascinates me with vintage football because you know,

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sports fans are.

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Speaker 2: So into stats. It's like, you know, baseball.

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Speaker 5: Fans, Uh, they're guys they never saw play and what

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do they do. They look at their stats to determine

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if they should be in the Hall of Fame or not.

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And in football, it's so impossible to compare modern players

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with vintage players because they've added so many games.

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Speaker 2: There were eras of the twelve game season.

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Speaker 5: Then shortly after you know, it was Jimmy Brown's third year,

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I think where they went from a twelve game season

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to a fourteen game season, and then you know, later

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on they went to the sixteen game season. Now we

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have a seventeen game season. They changed all the passing

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rules to open up the pass. So when you look

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at the old players and you don't watch them on

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film or your dad didn't teach you about.

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Speaker 2: How phenomenal they were when they played, and you just look.

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Speaker 5: At stats, well, all modern players, all modern quarterbacks, all

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modern wide receivers you know, have the top stats. And

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it really hurts the guys like Bart Starr and Johnny Andidis,

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and especially playing in the pre Super Bowl era, right,

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they don't have Super Bowls. So it's like vintage football

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cards are just nothing there. You could pick them up

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for nothing, aside from a few big ones.

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Speaker 1: I mean even the Uniteds Wrookie, you're talking about the

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fifty seven set, you're talking about the greatest quarterback ever.

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I'm a huge fan of the fifty seven set, and

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I think it's tremendously undervalue. I'm from Baltimore. I'm one

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hundred percent buyas so, but you know, I do believe,

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and I've bought and sold a couple of them, that

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most people, even if you're a vintage baseball fan, you

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should have a gym Bra, you should have you know,

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certain players, you should have a Wilt or a Korean

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and you know, not that you have to have everybody

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in every sport, but I think most people who are

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vintage baseball fan also respect the greats in the other sports.

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And if your collection is stuff you like and tells

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the story of players you've watched growing up, include the

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other sports.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's why.

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Speaker 5: You know, there's always been a handful of football cards

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that always had tremendous value.

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Speaker 2: You know, the Jim Thorpe and the Red Grange in

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a thirty three Sport King set.

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Speaker 5: Of course, that's a multi sports set maybe people worked

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on because there were baseball players in it. You had

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the Jim Brown rookie, you had the Bart Star rookie,

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the Unitis rookie, you had the Joe Namath rookie, Walter Payton,

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like those kinds of cards.

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Speaker 2: But beyond that, you know, the value just isn't there.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's very few actual you know, football cards that

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are vintage or pre war. I mean there is the

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Bronco Nogirski that's very expensive. But for the most part,

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I mean, you could pick up I picked up a

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new Rockney for you know, any great condition for you know,

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one thousand dollars, a couple thousand dollars and those I

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mean from the from that set, which is a tough,

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tough set. And you know, if you pick up like

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00:24:53,599 --> 00:24:56,559
a Babe Ruth, like for example, from the thirty three

476
00:24:56,599 --> 00:24:59,720
Galley in five, you know you're talking a card that's

477
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,519
gonna be worth you know, fifty thousand dollars. So it's

478
00:25:03,559 --> 00:25:07,200
it's funny how that you know football is worth you know,

479
00:25:07,559 --> 00:25:10,680
maybe of what baseball cards are worth.

480
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:16,319
Speaker 1: And that's ken Burns. I think he's responsible for that. Yeah,

481
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,200
I think they should play ken Burns on the little

482
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:20,759
bit the baseball.

483
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 4: But a lot of it is what John says. It's

484
00:25:22,799 --> 00:25:25,640
the stacks. I mean, if you look back in the days,

485
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,279
you know, Auto Graham was was huge.

486
00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 5: Otto Graham was Tom Brady before Tom Brady went to

487
00:25:32,279 --> 00:25:34,640
ten straight championships and won six of them.

488
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, now I mean Tittle, Yeah, whye Tittle.

489
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

490
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 4: These new collectors have no idea who Otto Graham is,

491
00:25:42,319 --> 00:25:43,480
you know, and it's it's just.

492
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,319
Speaker 5: Crazy why a Tittle was like my god, I mean

493
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,119
he changed like the game like he was so unique

494
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:50,640
at the time.

495
00:25:51,039 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 2: And then you look at the old Rams team too

496
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,640
with Norm Van Brocklin.

497
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 5: Tom Fears, crazy legs, hirsh like that was the first,

498
00:25:59,559 --> 00:26:03,119
I think great passing teams where they were mostly passing.

499
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,079
It was cutting edge for that time period. But if

500
00:26:06,079 --> 00:26:08,799
you don't know history, like you don't know those things well.

501
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: But in football also quarterbacks dominated so much. I think

502
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:13,960
that countries into vintage also.

503
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,519
Speaker 5: For it always blows my mind how defensive players don't

504
00:26:17,519 --> 00:26:18,960
get any love whatsoever.

505
00:26:19,319 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 2: A guy like TJ. Watt or you know all these

506
00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:27,000
great ray Lewis, ed Reid. You're from Baltimore.

507
00:26:27,079 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 1: I mean I was about to say, keep going, John,

508
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:29,480
keep going.

509
00:26:29,559 --> 00:26:33,319
Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean I as a Steeler fan, collect those guys.

510
00:26:33,519 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 2: They were so good.

511
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,079
Speaker 4: You know, me and Joe Green. You couldn't have been

512
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,359
any better than me. Joe Green. Yeah, be with the

513
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,240
commercials and everything.

514
00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:45,839
Speaker 5: And me and Joe Green. He invented the gap defense.

515
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:47,960
I know the second half of the.

516
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,839
Speaker 1: Last would coke every week in honor of Yeah. Even

517
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,440
though I think it was no it was real plan.

518
00:26:54,599 --> 00:26:56,480
I just want to get caught up on some comments. Here.

519
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,839
Here you go, John Terry Brownshaw, the original TV twelve,

520
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,599
A little bit of love for me, Me and Joe Green.

521
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,119
Although he hates being called me, and if you ever

522
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:11,000
see him, call him. He's still bigger than TJ. Says.

523
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,759
UH started recently. M vps used to be non quarterbacks, yes,

524
00:27:15,839 --> 00:27:19,319
but the hobby love has has been dominated by court.

525
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,440
That's what I was talking about. Sammy Ball another great name,

526
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,160
slinging Sammy Ball.

527
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,519
Speaker 4: I released a video the other day of Gail Sayers. Well,

528
00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:31,759
I think one of the most underrated UH running backs ever.

529
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,559
Speaker 2: Oh you know what, slinging Sammy Ball. That's the one

530
00:27:34,599 --> 00:27:37,319
I was thinking about. Who who revolutionized the past? I

531
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:38,680
was I was misspeaking there?

532
00:27:39,599 --> 00:27:43,839
Speaker 1: Well, United also, I mean United to Raymond Barry created

533
00:27:43,839 --> 00:27:48,640
the two minute drive. UH created the real UH out

534
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,599
pattern where you catch it, you know, right right on

535
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:52,319
the sideline.

536
00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:52,759
Speaker 2: You know.

537
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: So I'm biased, Like I said, Uh.

538
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,319
Speaker 5: Well, look at look at Johnny Uniteds when his UH

539
00:27:59,559 --> 00:28:02,720
when he set the record with forty seven straight games

540
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,039
with a touchdown pass. At one time, that was considered

541
00:28:06,039 --> 00:28:08,960
to be like Joe Demaggio's fifty six game hitting streak

542
00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:12,240
because it was a different game and that was unusual.

543
00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:14,559
Speaker 2: Forty seven people thought would never be broken.

544
00:28:14,599 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 5: When you look at Don Hudson's touchdown record at one time,

545
00:28:20,279 --> 00:28:22,680
that was considered to be like Babe Ruth's home run record.

546
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,079
It was so insane. He caught a touchdown every fifth pass,

547
00:28:26,839 --> 00:28:29,960
and he set rookie records. One of them wasn't broken

548
00:28:30,079 --> 00:28:34,000
until Jefferson just broke it a few years ago. That's

549
00:28:34,039 --> 00:28:37,079
how long it stood, with all the rule changes, with

550
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,079
all the rule changes and additional games. You know, he

551
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,640
never played in more than a twelve game season. He

552
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,599
played in eleven game seasons, not ten game seasons, nine

553
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:46,440
game seasons.

554
00:28:46,599 --> 00:28:48,799
Speaker 1: Well, that's my whole thing on Uniteds. Also, it took

555
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,160
him more seasons to get to that touchdown mark. Yes,

556
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,839
And it's harder to come back every offseason and come

557
00:28:54,839 --> 00:28:57,119
back for another season. You know, I think in some

558
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,119
ways it's easier to do it than less season.

559
00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:01,839
Speaker 5: Well, you look at the melt blunt roll, You look

560
00:29:01,839 --> 00:29:04,359
at what the melt Blunt roll did to receiver, you know,

561
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,359
Lynn Swan and those guys playing in the seventies, they

562
00:29:07,359 --> 00:29:09,440
could get beat up the whole way down the field.

563
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,839
That's what made mel Blunt so dominant. He was big,

564
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,960
fast and strong and nobody he just took away one

565
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,680
half of the field. Once they changed that role where

566
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,440
you could just touch him for five yards and had

567
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,799
to let that run free, then what happened, Steve Largent

568
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,279
happened Jerry Rice happened like a whole different game, right.

569
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,079
You weren't allowed to beat that receiver up. What Gene

570
00:29:30,079 --> 00:29:34,640
Atkinson and Gene what's his name from the Raiders, Atkinson

571
00:29:35,119 --> 00:29:38,640
and Tatum, what they did to Lynn Swan would be

572
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,440
a crime today. They might get thrown in jail and

573
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,039
they certainly be banned from the league. Look at the

574
00:29:45,119 --> 00:29:47,440
quarterbacks back then, I mean they were hit. You know,

575
00:29:47,519 --> 00:29:50,559
Johnny Unitas took a beating every game in the head.

576
00:29:50,799 --> 00:29:55,279
Oh he didn't take much of a beating though, because

577
00:29:55,279 --> 00:29:58,640
he had the greatest offensive lineman to ever live, mister Parker.

578
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,559
Speaker 2: Parker was impossible to get around.

579
00:30:01,799 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 4: Tackle tough guys back then, and even even some quarterbacks

580
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,119
that didn't get hit like fran Tarkenton Man. He was

581
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,160
one of the best running running quarterbacks ever. And again

582
00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:14,039
another quarterback that nobody talks about, fran Tarkenton Ken.

583
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 2: Hey, I want to go back for a second. Do

584
00:30:16,519 --> 00:30:18,519
you know how do you know how me and Joe

585
00:30:18,599 --> 00:30:19,759
Green became me?

586
00:30:20,519 --> 00:30:23,279
Speaker 5: When he was young, he was small, and he was bullied,

587
00:30:23,559 --> 00:30:25,519
and he used to get beat up and stuff, and

588
00:30:25,599 --> 00:30:29,880
like in high school. Once one year he grew all

589
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,759
of a sudden and got real big, and uh, he

590
00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:34,519
always had a little bit of a chip on his shoulder.

591
00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:37,119
So he went back and sought out everybody to beat

592
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,200
him up and beat them up. He would like get

593
00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:41,079
him under the bleachers or whatever. So when he came

594
00:30:41,079 --> 00:30:43,720
into the league, he had like an attitude, Oh.

595
00:30:43,759 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: That's well here, then I'll throw this up. You can

596
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,599
pick up Dick Knight try and lane rookie cards for

597
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:49,160
two dollars.

598
00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. Another all time grant.

599
00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:56,559
Speaker 5: He's still he's still what third or fourth on the

600
00:30:56,559 --> 00:31:01,000
all time interception list still and the top guys or safeties,

601
00:31:01,119 --> 00:31:04,839
so he's the he's really the top cornerback that just

602
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,400
played corner because you have n toel m Tel was

603
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,880
Deon Sanders Sanders before Deon say and.

604
00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: Once again, look at the stats. We'll get past this

605
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,599
per interception and stuff like that. And that's that's really

606
00:31:17,599 --> 00:31:20,079
where some of these guys separate themselves because it was

607
00:31:20,119 --> 00:31:22,519
a different league and they dominated when there was less

608
00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:25,839
coming up. Rex makes a great point here. Rules about

609
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,000
hitting the quarterbacks just as impactful as the wide receiver

610
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,519
in cornerback rules probably probably true. I mean you you

611
00:31:33,599 --> 00:31:36,400
had to when they say stand in there and take one,

612
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,720
they meant stand in there and take one. It was

613
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,119
none of this. You can't follow in the quarterback, you know,

614
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,400
yeah them too hard, don't hit them too high on him.

615
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, there were different rules. I mean, you couldn't just

616
00:31:45,319 --> 00:31:47,160
throw away the ball back in the days like they

617
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,519
did today and things like that.

618
00:31:49,079 --> 00:31:51,279
Speaker 5: I want to tell you something back during the Still

619
00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:54,599
Curtain Defense, and you should go watch some of those games.

620
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:55,319
Speaker 2: It's hilarious.

621
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 5: They when they played Cincinnati, they knocked Kenny Anderson out

622
00:31:58,680 --> 00:31:59,960
of every single game they played.

623
00:32:00,279 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 2: He couldn't last a game with those guys. They beat

624
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,319
the hell out of him. But that was part of

625
00:32:04,319 --> 00:32:05,559
the game back then.

626
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: How about this guy, speaking of tough, Ronnie Lotte destroyed

627
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,839
anyone over the middle and also had a part of

628
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,319
his finger amputated so he could play in a game.

629
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:15,119
Speaker 2: That's true.

630
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: One of the craziest stories. I tell it every time

631
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,960
I hear his Gail Sayers underrated now, not when he played,

632
00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:28,240
but that speaks insanely good, right, that speaks to how

633
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,880
underrated he is because people who saw him. You know,

634
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,359
I think it's like Bo Jackson, no matter how good

635
00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:36,519
we talk about Bo Jackson, if you saw him play,

636
00:32:36,839 --> 00:32:39,279
you have a different respect for his athletic event. You

637
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:43,200
had to see him. And sometimes sports are like that.

638
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,839
And you know what we consider vintage today? You know,

639
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,920
are the eighties going to be considered vintage in twenty

640
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,720
or thirty years? I mean, is that fair?

641
00:32:53,839 --> 00:32:54,079
Speaker 2: Well?

642
00:32:54,519 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 5: The thing is, this is interesting because I was just

643
00:32:57,279 --> 00:32:59,559
thinking about it because somebody did a video their top

644
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,640
vintage cards and they were from the nineteen ninety and

645
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,720
they were like, well, I don't care what you say,

646
00:33:04,759 --> 00:33:08,640
is vintage the nineties or vintage to me? So vintage

647
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,759
can be different things to different people. The thing is,

648
00:33:11,799 --> 00:33:14,640
though there were set parameter back in the day for

649
00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:17,880
what was vintage. It's like I can't call nineteen eighty

650
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:21,079
pre war unless you want to talk about the Iraqi War.

651
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,480
So the parameters were always up till including nineteen seventy

652
00:33:26,519 --> 00:33:29,640
eight for vintage, and then a lot of people they

653
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,200
wanted the Ricky Henderson rookie card to be included in vintage,

654
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,079
so they move it up on their own. The nineteen

655
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,119
eighty and nineteen eighty actually makes more sense to me

656
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,119
than nineteen seventy eight because that was the last year

657
00:33:41,319 --> 00:33:44,559
of just the tops domination, and that makes perfect sense

658
00:33:44,599 --> 00:33:44,799
to me.

659
00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 2: But you know is the nineteen eighties are now.

660
00:33:47,599 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 5: Vintage and nineteen nineties are now vintage as far as

661
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:54,440
eras are concerned. But you know, I don't know, like

662
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,680
it's you know, it's up for the hobby to decide.

663
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: Because somebody who does the research, who's young or now

664
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,200
and does research on players in the eighties, does research

665
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,279
on players in the nineties. Isn't that what we were

666
00:34:05,279 --> 00:34:07,720
talking about at the beginning that we want vintage lovers

667
00:34:07,759 --> 00:34:10,000
to do, you know, is to learn the game before

668
00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:13,400
their time. So I just want to, you know, keep

669
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,039
the perspective for everybody in here. When you see people

670
00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:19,119
collecting eighties and nineties, look how old dale, you know,

671
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,920
maybe cut a kit a break if he wants, you know,

672
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,280
a Wade Bogs rookie. You know, that might not be

673
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,119
the sexiest card for a lot of us, but that's

674
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:33,719
a great player. Yeah, and that's that might be a

675
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,079
great rookie card for somebody who just learned about Tony

676
00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:38,280
Gwen or you know.

677
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 2: Whoever, And it's very vintage for a young person exactly.

678
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,679
Speaker 5: You know, maybe there needs to be a sliding scale

679
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:46,599
like there is with cars. You know, you can get

680
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:49,480
classic plates once it hits ten years old, you can

681
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,800
get antique plates once it hits twenty years old.

682
00:34:52,119 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 2: Maybe it needs to be a sliding scale.

683
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 1: Well, maybe we need a new name for the era.

684
00:34:56,119 --> 00:34:59,599
Somebody says it's like classic rock. Classic rock stays the

685
00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:02,760
sixties and seventies, you know kind of era. So maybe

686
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,000
we need a new name because I don't like junk

687
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:05,559
wax jump.

688
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,320
Speaker 2: I hate I hate that term it is.

689
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,119
Speaker 5: And let me tell you something with what some of

690
00:35:11,159 --> 00:35:14,000
these PSA tens are selling for any junk any more? No?

691
00:35:14,519 --> 00:35:17,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, real, Like getting back to what we were talking

692
00:35:17,639 --> 00:35:21,559
about on Miss the Deacon Jones head slap that was classic, Yeah,

693
00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:22,320
I mean that that thing.

694
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 4: Would get what a beast he was Yeah, he could.

695
00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: Give a concussion one.

696
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:28,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, that whole line.

697
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, the treasures I was always told growing up, vintage

698
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,599
is twenty years or older and antique is one hundred year.

699
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,199
Those numbers seem to make sense. Sure, what war do

700
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,119
you mean in pre war? That's a fair question, John,

701
00:35:42,159 --> 00:35:43,840
You want to answer that, Well.

702
00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 5: The hobby has defined it as a pre World war too,

703
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,159
but you know, there were there were lots of war,

704
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,280
so you you could uh that that term it's just

705
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,440
a it's just a historical term that was always used

706
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,519
to define anything before World War Two.

707
00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: Once again, if we look at the history of production

708
00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:06,320
of cards, the vintage ending when Flair and Dunruss came

709
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,599
along is a natural line of demarcation. I think there's

710
00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:12,960
ally something to be said for pre war being right

711
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:18,199
around the Bowman tops iterations and being before that. I

712
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:23,960
look at vintage as starting really maybe forty, maybe thirty

713
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,280
three somewhere in there, and before that I consider prey.

714
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,159
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you can call it the nineteen forties decade,

715
00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:33,239
the scarcity era. Because of the war, there were so

716
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,760
few sets made and there were gaps, you know. That's

717
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,639
why when you get into the forty eight Bowmen or

718
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,360
the forty nine leaf like collectors had to wait a

719
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,079
long time until a product came out like that.

720
00:36:45,519 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Reuben says, let's call it retro vintage error for

721
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:49,280
the eighties.

722
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,280
Speaker 2: Retrore you go, that works. I like that, that has

723
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:53,159
a nice ring to it.

724
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,760
Speaker 1: Oh, this is interesting. TJ says, breaking news, not to

725
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,719
change the topic, but now there's news coming out about

726
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:03,880
another Dallas show robbery. That is.

727
00:37:06,519 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 4: Well, Mike was there yesterday and I think Chris from

728
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,679
Missouri and all these guys are there today.

729
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: Are you pointing fingers, Orlando, No, I'm.

730
00:37:14,519 --> 00:37:20,079
Speaker 4: Just saying I'm a text These guys see they know anything, you.

731
00:37:20,039 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 2: Know what, you know what's sad.

732
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 5: Somebody was texting me this morning and he's going to

733
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,719
a show and he said his wife said to him,

734
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:31,920
are you sure you're okay taking that much money? And

735
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,079
he said, yeah, it's safe or whatever, and she's like,

736
00:37:34,119 --> 00:37:37,440
that's not what I heard about shows. So even like

737
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,639
people's wives are hearing how that it's danger is and

738
00:37:40,679 --> 00:37:41,239
that's sad.

739
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: That is sad. Well, it speaks to the size of

740
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:49,159
the shows. There are more large regional shows than ever

741
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,880
in the hobby. It used to be you know, for

742
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,079
all intents and purposes, more or less the national You

743
00:37:56,159 --> 00:37:58,960
had a couple shows and then it was a hotel

744
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,599
ball room, you know, and and that was it. Now

745
00:38:01,679 --> 00:38:06,719
you have really decent sized shows year round around the country,

746
00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:09,920
and the amount of money on the floor of some

747
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,719
of these shows, in product and in cash is just

748
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,039
way higher than I think it's efferent.

749
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 5: It's unbelievable to see the transition because shows were dead dead,

750
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,679
you know, card shops were dead.

751
00:38:23,039 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 2: Shows are dead. Now they're booming. They're everywhere.

752
00:38:26,199 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean right now, it's just the hobby's become

753
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,000
more national news and you see it more on the

754
00:38:32,039 --> 00:38:35,440
regular news and just big stories like all these things

755
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,599
that are happening with the robberies and stuff that's coming

756
00:38:38,639 --> 00:38:42,440
out and becoming you know, big major news. Yeah, and

757
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,880
I think we're getting a lot of attention, and you know,

758
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,400
it's good and bad for the hobby. And sometimes, you know,

759
00:38:48,599 --> 00:38:52,159
the downside is is that that you know that a

760
00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:54,039
lot of times they focus on all the bad stuff

761
00:38:54,039 --> 00:38:57,639
that's happened in the hobby, the fraud, the rip offs

762
00:38:57,639 --> 00:38:59,800
and those type of things, you know. But I think

763
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,440
it's you know, we've always had people doing this at

764
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,000
in the business, there's always been fraud, there's always been

765
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,800
stealing and all that. I just think it's become in

766
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,679
a bigger scale. You know, looks like some of these

767
00:39:12,679 --> 00:39:17,199
are more planned out, and it's just become more you know,

768
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,960
there's more media out there. I mean not just YouTube,

769
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,199
it's just everywhere, all over the media.

770
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,199
Speaker 5: I think I was just gonna say the paradox today

771
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,360
is the hobby is the best it's ever been, and

772
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:30,559
it's the worst it's ever been.

773
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,159
Speaker 1: At the same time, I call the hobby hobby high

774
00:39:34,159 --> 00:39:37,519
school all the time, because it's a it's a bunch

775
00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:41,199
of people who got older, grew up, some of us matured,

776
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,920
some of us didn't. And uh there's always the kid

777
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,719
who got went to the principal's office, and it's it's

778
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,880
a shame that that, you know, there's still goes. How

779
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,840
about something a little happier. Captain uh Coptor says card

780
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,159
collecting is based on cinnamon, as it should be. If

781
00:39:57,159 --> 00:40:00,960
you're younger, you may have sentiment for nineties cards from

782
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,519
your childhood. The players in era you grew up in

783
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:09,239
absolutely could agree one. You know, if there was a

784
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,760
player you grew up loving as a kid that you

785
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,920
know that you don't need to worry about what we

786
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,559
call the error to enjoy it.

787
00:40:15,559 --> 00:40:16,159
Speaker 2: It's true.

788
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,599
Speaker 1: We got Chris Carlin jumping in. We'll go a quad

789
00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:23,360
box here. What's going on?

790
00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:25,559
Speaker 8: I was having trouble getting on.

791
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 1: How are you doing good? I wanted to catch up

792
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,360
with some stuff with you. I know you just went

793
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:33,519
to the Upper Deck conference.

794
00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, so pretty cool that even though I'm in a

795
00:40:37,519 --> 00:40:41,320
new gig with PSA, We're still able to uh to

796
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,280
head out there and hang out with those guys. So

797
00:40:44,559 --> 00:40:48,079
I think it is one of the few conferences that

798
00:40:48,199 --> 00:40:51,199
is a little different than a normal trading card show

799
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,159
or things along those lines. Really focuses on trying to

800
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,639
help the dealer understand what's going on in the market

801
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,840
and how to be the best small business possible. So

802
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,760
what they do is bring in experts on loss prevention

803
00:41:06,199 --> 00:41:10,000
and small business banking and things along those lines. So

804
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,800
it's not just here's the new product, by this, by this,

805
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,519
by this, And it's pretty cool that there were every

806
00:41:16,679 --> 00:41:18,639
every year that they've done it. I think it started

807
00:41:18,679 --> 00:41:20,760
off with about one hundred and fifty shops, and then

808
00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:23,719
two hundred shops, and then two hundred and fifty. Well

809
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,199
they're up to three hundred and fifty shops now that

810
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,280
are coming to this thing, so it felt a little tight,

811
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:33,079
but it felt great to see dealers from literally all

812
00:41:33,079 --> 00:41:36,159
over the world. I saw Michael Move from Shanghai, Rica

813
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:41,280
and China. I saw Honders from Cool Card se and Sweden,

814
00:41:42,519 --> 00:41:46,199
shops from the UK, a lot of them from Canada,

815
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:50,199
and it was just a really good event. So it

816
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,079
was excited to be a part of that. And it's

817
00:41:52,519 --> 00:41:56,320
cool to see as well that even though Upper Deck

818
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,239
is dealing with some of the situations that have come

819
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,760
up from a very aggressive competitor and fanatics in terms

820
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:07,719
of grabbing licenses, they're still pivoting and producing some really

821
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:11,159
compelling content. So their new neo pets game is kind

822
00:42:11,159 --> 00:42:13,880
of interesting. But what I'm really excited to see what

823
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:19,280
they do with a license of DC, because there really

824
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,840
hasn't been a manufacturer that really took that license super serious.

825
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,880
And some of the product offerings I collect a lot

826
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,239
of our products, Marvel products. I think that their DC

827
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,000
offerings are going to be very solid.

828
00:42:32,199 --> 00:42:33,679
Speaker 1: All right, Chris, I want to follow up with some

829
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,360
other stuff that I know you put in the chat

830
00:42:35,639 --> 00:42:40,199
John Orlando, you guys are the best. You absolutely helped

831
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,440
me save today's show and we were going to get

832
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,880
in the whole hour. So I'll let you guys go.

833
00:42:46,199 --> 00:42:49,159
Thank you, enjoy your days, and Chris and I will

834
00:42:49,559 --> 00:42:51,639
thanks guys. We'll take it off there you guys.

835
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,079
Speaker 4: Thanks, Yeah, thanks anyway.

836
00:42:54,199 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: So I also wanted to give you a couple of

837
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,199
minutes before we run out of time. I know that

838
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,599
you wanted to talk about somebody who is close to

839
00:43:02,679 --> 00:43:06,639
you in Jack Hoffman, and I want to give you

840
00:43:06,679 --> 00:43:09,159
a minute to talk about that. Talk about it.

841
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:09,519
Speaker 5: Yeah.

842
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, Early in my marketing career, I got a piece

843
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,880
of advice do the right thing and let the brand

844
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:20,039
go along for the ride. And when I saw Jack Hoffman,

845
00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:23,480
this seven year old with pediatric brain cancer, getting into

846
00:43:23,559 --> 00:43:28,320
a Nebraska spring game and running a touchdown, it was

847
00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:32,800
so moving and so pure and what sports is supposed

848
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,840
to be. And I knew that it would empower my

849
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,719
brand if I could use that power of the upper

850
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,159
deck to help tell this story and create a collectible

851
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,239
for this young man. So how the card came to

852
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:54,159
be is pretty incredible because photography is so critical in sports,

853
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,960
and not a lot of people even knew that Jack

854
00:43:57,079 --> 00:43:59,960
was going to be coming in to do this touchdown

855
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:03,480
on the family didn't even know until the Friday before

856
00:44:03,519 --> 00:44:06,440
the game, and they just kind of put together what

857
00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:11,480
they had. Jack's uncle played for Nebraska, and they had

858
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,639
some of his pants, and he was a smaller guy,

859
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,719
so they used his pants, and then he had an

860
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,880
autograph Rex burkhead jersey, so that's what he wore out there.

861
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:24,119
And then he had this little Franklin plastic helmet that

862
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,800
was almost more of a keepsake than something you would

863
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:31,719
actually wear in a game. And when he was getting dressed,

864
00:44:32,159 --> 00:44:35,239
the Nebraska football team made a circle around him and

865
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,440
made that his locker room on the sideline so Jack

866
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,400
could get dressed in his gear. But the real kicker

867
00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:46,159
was the image was taken by his father that we

868
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,199
used for the trading card. And imagine being a dad

869
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,920
in that moment with eighty thousand fans screaming all for

870
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,159
the same team, watching your son do this remarkable thing

871
00:44:57,199 --> 00:44:59,079
and being able to wear with all the snap a

872
00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:05,000
good photo. So yeah, Jack's cause is one that's near

873
00:45:05,039 --> 00:45:09,039
and dear to me, But it really served as a

874
00:45:09,039 --> 00:45:12,119
way for me to change the way that at upper Deck,

875
00:45:12,199 --> 00:45:17,079
we marketed goodwill programs, and so after creating Jack's card

876
00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:20,239
and raising several hundred thousand dollars for the cause, we

877
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,519
looked at what else could we do to help young

878
00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:29,800
athletes inspiring people. So we created a program called Heroic Inspirations,

879
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:34,559
and I think there are about twenty cards that we

880
00:45:34,639 --> 00:45:37,000
did before I had left. If you go to Upper

881
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,719
Deck's headquarters, they have something called the Wall of Inspiration,

882
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,960
which is really cool. It shows all those kids. But

883
00:45:44,039 --> 00:45:48,480
seeing Jack past this week was really tough because he

884
00:45:48,679 --> 00:45:52,679
was in remission and his cancer was supposed to be

885
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,000
gone in many cases, we thought, and unfortunately it came

886
00:45:56,039 --> 00:46:02,360
back very aggressively and took my friend so very tough

887
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,480
to hear. Prayers and thoughts to the Huffman family, but

888
00:46:05,519 --> 00:46:08,400
it just goes to show you that cancer is a

889
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,360
tricky one and it has no remorse, and uh comes

890
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,320
hard and fast, and it's it's just tough to beat.

891
00:46:15,639 --> 00:46:18,559
So prayers to Jack and his family absolutely and.

892
00:46:18,559 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: May his memory be a blessing. Uh My wife is

893
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:26,440
a survivor, and I say, proudly moving on from there. Yeah,

894
00:46:26,599 --> 00:46:30,719
the the p s a world. Yeah, I gotta I

895
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,360
gotta hit you with this week's or news. You guys,

896
00:46:34,679 --> 00:46:39,480
Evidently when things are on fire, people want to ship

897
00:46:39,679 --> 00:46:44,039
to uh to UH vault and send a lot of

898
00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:44,760
stuff in.

899
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 8: And uh man, yeah, really.

900
00:46:47,639 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: There is a natural connection there between people being scared

901
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,599
and wanting the feeling of their stuff in a vault.

902
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:55,679
What do you think and what's going on?

903
00:46:56,159 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean watching the wildfires this week. Well, you know,

904
00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:02,239
I've been in this and I've seen people lose their

905
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,920
collections to floods. I've seen them lose it to theft.

906
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,760
I've seen them lose it to tornadoes and hurricanes. But

907
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:12,719
the fire was crazy because it really hit a residential area,

908
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,960
an affluent residential area, and I saw some people who

909
00:47:16,039 --> 00:47:19,400
had literally lost their entire collections. And as a collector,

910
00:47:19,679 --> 00:47:22,199
it's so sad to see because we know how hard

911
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,159
it is to put together collections and that we put

912
00:47:25,199 --> 00:47:27,880
our heart and soul into them. So whatever you get

913
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,599
back from an insurance agency isn't going to be a company,

914
00:47:30,639 --> 00:47:33,039
isn't going to be what you really put into it.

915
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,480
So I mean there, it does make you think that

916
00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:40,400
it is important to have your cards graded, because if

917
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:45,119
you don't, the insurance company will give you usually that

918
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,159
lower value, whereas if you could say, hey, I had

919
00:47:49,159 --> 00:47:51,639
a PSA five of this, a PSA seven of this,

920
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,000
a PSA ten of that, there's market values that go

921
00:47:55,079 --> 00:47:57,920
right along with that. So recovery is a little bit

922
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,840
better and getting a max payout is a little bit better.

923
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,280
But really where I was blown away this week was

924
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:07,400
the vaulting and seeing a five hundred pound fireproof safe

925
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:12,679
literally melted, because those fireproof safes are really designed to

926
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,159
last for a couple hours until the flames are extinguished.

927
00:48:16,519 --> 00:48:18,679
If it's a fire that is burning out of control,

928
00:48:19,079 --> 00:48:22,480
whatever's in there is going to get cooked. The safe

929
00:48:22,519 --> 00:48:26,840
becomes an oven, and it's heartbreaking to see, Like you

930
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,119
think you did the right thing, you invested in this

931
00:48:29,639 --> 00:48:33,159
to keep your collection safe. Really made me realize the

932
00:48:33,199 --> 00:48:38,079
importance of vaulting services. So and quite frankly, I'm not

933
00:48:38,119 --> 00:48:41,480
just trying to pimp the PSA vault like I think

934
00:48:41,519 --> 00:48:44,559
you need to keep your collection in different places. You

935
00:48:44,599 --> 00:48:46,840
should not have it all in the same place, you know,

936
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,440
keep a little bit here, a little bit there. For me,

937
00:48:49,559 --> 00:48:52,079
it's hard to put everything in there because I like

938
00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:54,199
to look at my cards. I even wear my cards

939
00:48:54,199 --> 00:48:57,800
sometimes on a necklace. So I keep the fun ones

940
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,800
with me, but the rest it makes a lot of

941
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,360
sense to store in a vault like the PSA vault,

942
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,760
because you do have the freedom to get it out

943
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,119
at some point. You could sell if you like, and

944
00:49:07,159 --> 00:49:09,920
there's gonna be more functionality at it as well to

945
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:14,079
make it even more engaging. So yeah, it's it's a

946
00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:17,880
pretty compelling reason to vault your cards, even though you

947
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,559
love to hold them in your hands. Uh, it's you

948
00:49:20,639 --> 00:49:23,599
still can see them and access them. It's it's just

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a safer play.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. When I when I heard that the mail room

951
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was actually the backup at PSA, it made perfect sense.

952
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And I was so glad that in the explanation they

953
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actually said it was the mail room because that it

954
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makes total and complete sense. So glad, glad that hopefully

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everybody in the California and LA area is safe. And

956
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that's the lives are far more important. But for the

957
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collections and momento you said, the sentimentality if it's we

958
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spend our life putting together, whether it's you know, collections

959
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or whatever, it is, the money money never even so

960
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that's right, Yeah, absolutely, all right, Well, Chris, I know

961
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it's a short one with you today, but I'm glad you.

962
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Speaker 8: Yeah, my apologies again. I've gotta get off to the baseball.

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Gave it out, but I appreciate talking with you for

964
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a little bit. Danny, You're the best.

965
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Speaker 1: No, absolutely, I appreciate it and good seeing you and

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I'll talk to you soon, all right, take care, take care.

967
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All right, guys, So we're gonna wrap it up and

968
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take this show home. I appreciate everybody who jumped on.

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A big shout out to Orlando. Definitely a national treasure.

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John Manginie, Chris Harris, Chris Carlin ended up being a

971
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lot of guests today, so it was it was an

972
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absolute pleasure. Hobby Hotline, Episode three eight. I think we're

973
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gonna call it a day, guys. Appreciate everyone. Have a

974
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wonderful holiday weekend. Thank you very much. Gordon, Uh, everybody, Uh,

975
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enjoy yourselves this week. Definitely have some fun. Talk to

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you later. Take care.

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Speaker 8: M m m m hmm.