WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.640 --> 00:00:05.320 Which I don't know you've done. We've both done interest 2 00:00:05.360 --> 00:00:07.360 for the Nolan retro So now we're you know what 3 00:00:07.400 --> 00:00:08.400 you go, sir, you go? 4 00:00:08.679 --> 00:00:13.720 Okay, Hello and welcome back to the Geek First podcast. 5 00:00:13.759 --> 00:00:15.119 I don't know what episode number of this is, but 6 00:00:16.399 --> 00:00:19.559 of tenant In, Adam Harcaster, Dylan Muss, and I'm joined 7 00:00:19.559 --> 00:00:21.399 by two very special gentlemen. I don't know if they 8 00:00:21.440 --> 00:00:23.760 have nicknames, so I'm gonna let them introduce nickname. 9 00:00:25.320 --> 00:00:28.760 We're in spoilers more now, I just say, I just say, 10 00:00:29.120 --> 00:00:31.199 I don't know. I'm the number one Robert Pass and fanboy. 11 00:00:31.280 --> 00:00:34.560 Trust now he is not a spoilers spoilers review. 12 00:00:34.759 --> 00:00:37.280 What you know? I saw the Christopher Nolan one that. 13 00:00:39.320 --> 00:00:43.159 Sorry, Taylor, I'm the Pincer movement Taylor Field, Oh very nice. 14 00:00:43.240 --> 00:00:44.240 I like that one a lot. 15 00:00:44.600 --> 00:00:44.840 Yeah. 16 00:00:44.880 --> 00:00:47.960 So if if you're just joining us today, well there's 17 00:00:47.960 --> 00:00:50.320 a lot going on. We did the entire retrospective of 18 00:00:50.399 --> 00:00:53.320 all of Nolan's movies, a couple exceptions, every most part. 19 00:00:53.320 --> 00:00:54.960 You can check out the feed all that's on there. 20 00:00:55.240 --> 00:00:57.719 And this is gonna be a strictly spoilers you Normally 21 00:00:57.799 --> 00:01:00.880 we do a non splitters section and then the spoiler section, 22 00:01:01.159 --> 00:01:03.840 but since this movie isn't really releasing everywhere, releasing at 23 00:01:03.840 --> 00:01:06.359 different times, we just decided to separate them. So these 24 00:01:06.359 --> 00:01:10.439 two gentlemen, Travison Taylor did a non spoiler review that's 25 00:01:10.439 --> 00:01:12.799 about half an hour long that you can check out 26 00:01:13.120 --> 00:01:14.599 on the feeds now, and then this is gonna be 27 00:01:14.640 --> 00:01:16.959 all out spoilers. I'm good. I don't know if you 28 00:01:17.000 --> 00:01:19.280 guys have anything else you want to plug for today. 29 00:01:19.560 --> 00:01:21.680 No other than we'll be dropping new Mune, so any 30 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:24.719 Marvel fans of that and then yeah, all I would 31 00:01:24.760 --> 00:01:26.760 say is, I don't know. We have not talked about when, 32 00:01:26.840 --> 00:01:29.640 but sometimes in the near future we'll be doing some 33 00:01:29.680 --> 00:01:31.640 sort of stream for Marvel Vengers, so that comes out 34 00:01:31.719 --> 00:01:34.799 next week. So just subscribe to our Twitter and Facebook 35 00:01:34.799 --> 00:01:36.200 fall us there and then we'll let you know. So 36 00:01:36.680 --> 00:01:38.079 the only thing I want to ask you Dan, have 37 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:42.200 you listened to our non spoilers? I did, yep, okay, 38 00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:42.599 so you have. 39 00:01:42.719 --> 00:01:45.079 So I want to know how you feel about this movie, 40 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:48.599 because you know we feel about this movie. So I do. 41 00:01:48.680 --> 00:01:50.560 And it's funny because I was listening. When I was 42 00:01:50.599 --> 00:01:53.040 listening to it, like you guys sounded pretty similar on 43 00:01:53.159 --> 00:01:55.680 like most things. But then when it came to like 44 00:01:55.719 --> 00:01:57.799 the number rating, you guys were different by like a 45 00:01:57.840 --> 00:02:01.719 factor of three numbers. That's subject number rating. 46 00:02:01.920 --> 00:02:04.519 My number, my number rating it. As I said in 47 00:02:04.560 --> 00:02:07.079 that cast, it's gonna change. I know it's gonna go higher. 48 00:02:07.239 --> 00:02:09.840 But even then, like this, like the music score, so 49 00:02:09.960 --> 00:02:11.879 one hundred percent, he said it was fifty to fifty. 50 00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:13.879 No, No, but I I re listened to some track 51 00:02:13.919 --> 00:02:16.080 styles at work today and like now that I could 52 00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:18.120 not have to like focus on dialogue. 53 00:02:18.199 --> 00:02:18.840 I enjoy that. 54 00:02:19.240 --> 00:02:21.879 So what do you think, Dyn, Yeah, I think I'm 55 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:24.800 pretty similar to you guys. If not, I'm gonna be 56 00:02:24.840 --> 00:02:29.039 even a bit lower. Honestly, I rate after the movie. 57 00:02:29.039 --> 00:02:30.879 I was just considering it so much, and the more 58 00:02:30.919 --> 00:02:33.960 I thought I about today, I think I've realized kind 59 00:02:33.960 --> 00:02:37.919 of how disappointed I am. I I love the concept, 60 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:39.960 but I feel like I could say that about any 61 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:43.199 one of Nolan's movies. Yeah. I always compliment what he 62 00:02:43.240 --> 00:02:45.080 does with time, because I think that's just such an 63 00:02:45.080 --> 00:02:48.199 interesting theme that he tackles. And I feel like, if 64 00:02:48.240 --> 00:02:50.039 you look at he probably has this big notebook with 65 00:02:50.080 --> 00:02:52.319 all these movie ideas, right, and I feel like there's 66 00:02:52.319 --> 00:02:55.719 a whole chapter that that's dedicated just to things with time. 67 00:02:55.800 --> 00:02:59.319 It's like, oh, yeah, I've done that, Let's do dreams 68 00:02:59.319 --> 00:03:00.759 that have weirdiscape. 69 00:03:01.080 --> 00:03:03.360 He has five more time movies coming, you know it? 70 00:03:03.439 --> 00:03:07.360 Yeah, exactly. But I just don't think this was the 71 00:03:07.400 --> 00:03:10.120 best idea. Like it sounds cool on paper, but I 72 00:03:10.120 --> 00:03:12.759 think it should have stayed in that notebook. It's just 73 00:03:13.199 --> 00:03:15.479 I don't know if Like, I don't get a lot 74 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:17.680 of this movie, and part of that is probably a 75 00:03:17.800 --> 00:03:20.479 user error me not understanding, but I also feel like 76 00:03:20.520 --> 00:03:22.080 the movie did not do a good job of holding 77 00:03:22.120 --> 00:03:24.759 my hand along the way. I don't understand a lot, 78 00:03:25.240 --> 00:03:27.840 and it's not to the point where Inception confused me. 79 00:03:27.840 --> 00:03:29.400 When I first saw it. I understood enough of it, 80 00:03:29.439 --> 00:03:31.319 but I was like, Okay, I gotta go back and 81 00:03:31.400 --> 00:03:32.960 see it again because I need to figure out these 82 00:03:33.000 --> 00:03:35.120 particular things. I don't even know what I'd look for 83 00:03:35.159 --> 00:03:36.800 on a second watch of this movie. I will watch 84 00:03:36.840 --> 00:03:39.120 it again at some point, but overall, I think I 85 00:03:39.159 --> 00:03:42.360 am pretty disappointed, and I don't think there's really many points, 86 00:03:43.240 --> 00:03:46.800 many story beats that really landed with much impact for me. 87 00:03:47.319 --> 00:03:48.879 There was kind of one moment that I thought was 88 00:03:48.960 --> 00:03:51.800 quite good. But other than that, I didn't feel too 89 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:55.199 attached to any characters. That kind of thing. I'd say. 90 00:03:55.240 --> 00:03:58.039 On like the technical front, it's it's you know, Christopher Nolan, 91 00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:00.479 it's stellar. Great sympatography. I like the music. I think 92 00:04:00.479 --> 00:04:03.080 the balance is sometimes really whack. I couldn't hear a 93 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:07.319 lot of dial real Yeah, but you know, special effects obviously, 94 00:04:07.319 --> 00:04:09.599 he does a lot of practical effects, especially the playing scene, 95 00:04:09.599 --> 00:04:12.639 which I really appreciate. I thought all the acting was good. 96 00:04:13.599 --> 00:04:16.800 I didn't and I guess it kind of ends there 97 00:04:16.800 --> 00:04:18.800 in terms of technicals. I actually thought the writing was 98 00:04:18.959 --> 00:04:21.120 not that great in this movie. I thought the main 99 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:24.079 character wasn't and his name is protagonist. I think, yeah, 100 00:04:24.079 --> 00:04:26.480 I didn't think the protagonist was very well done at all. 101 00:04:26.519 --> 00:04:29.920 I didn't feel that attached to him. So yeah, overall, 102 00:04:29.920 --> 00:04:33.800 I think I'm a bit a bit disappointed and obviously rewatch. 103 00:04:34.040 --> 00:04:36.680 I'm sure we'll solve some maybe questions I have, But 104 00:04:37.199 --> 00:04:39.800 on the first watch, I was not too happy with 105 00:04:39.839 --> 00:04:40.800 the result. Unfortunately. 106 00:04:41.360 --> 00:04:43.959 Yeah, Like I didn't like it as least as I 107 00:04:43.959 --> 00:04:46.759 did Interstellar, but Interstelle I still felt like it had 108 00:04:46.759 --> 00:04:48.480 that feeling of I was like, okay, when I watched 109 00:04:48.519 --> 00:04:50.800 this again, I might like it a little bit more, 110 00:04:50.800 --> 00:04:52.360 and I feel that way with Tenant, but I don't 111 00:04:52.360 --> 00:04:54.879 think I'm gonna like it like bounds By more. You know, 112 00:04:54.920 --> 00:04:56.800 like there's sometimes where I go, oh, I had these 113 00:04:56.800 --> 00:04:58.839 problems because I didn't understand you see it again, like 114 00:04:58.879 --> 00:05:01.800 you said with inception, even problems, but just like questions 115 00:05:01.800 --> 00:05:04.480 where this is, there's still like structural things that I 116 00:05:04.639 --> 00:05:06.680 don't like, Like I just want to start with because 117 00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:09.040 I said this in the Yeah and the Nonspoys about 118 00:05:09.079 --> 00:05:12.240 the villain. I really liked him at the beginning because 119 00:05:12.240 --> 00:05:14.480 he was like really cold and cool and calm, collect 120 00:05:14.600 --> 00:05:15.600 I like his dialogue. 121 00:05:15.839 --> 00:05:17.639 But I felt like he took a big shift when 122 00:05:17.920 --> 00:05:18.639 and I didn't. 123 00:05:18.399 --> 00:05:20.519 Like the editing of it when he brought her to 124 00:05:20.560 --> 00:05:22.160 that room and he was like beating her up and 125 00:05:22.199 --> 00:05:24.480 everything one like I think as Nolan always tries to 126 00:05:24.519 --> 00:05:27.240 keep his movie pg. Thirteen, Just like the editing of 127 00:05:27.279 --> 00:05:28.920 that scene, like they were trying to make it look 128 00:05:28.959 --> 00:05:30.920 like he was hitting her but he he wasn't. It 129 00:05:30.959 --> 00:05:33.199 looked like they like it was really choppy, but then 130 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:36.079 just him going on about being a fucking tiger, and 131 00:05:36.199 --> 00:05:39.199 just like it didn't feel like like that didn't feel 132 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:40.680 like an no Olan movie. And that's where I said, like, 133 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:42.959 some of the strengths of being like a Bond movie 134 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:44.439 or there, but some of the strengths as far as 135 00:05:44.480 --> 00:05:46.759 the other thing, I was disappointed. Like the big reveal 136 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:48.759 of what Tenant's gonna do or what he's gonna do 137 00:05:48.879 --> 00:05:50.800 is like he's just gonna end the world. And I 138 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:53.040 was like, oh, I, you know, like I expected a 139 00:05:53.040 --> 00:05:54.959 bit more from Christopher Nolan to be honest. Then when 140 00:05:54.959 --> 00:05:57.319 they're just like, well, he's gonna end the world, I went, Okay, 141 00:05:57.399 --> 00:05:58.800 like this is just a Bond movie. 142 00:05:58.839 --> 00:05:59.000 Now. 143 00:05:59.040 --> 00:06:01.000 I thought it'd be a little bit more than that. 144 00:06:01.079 --> 00:06:04.199 But that's where I still really enjoy it. But I 145 00:06:04.199 --> 00:06:05.000 I have. 146 00:06:04.879 --> 00:06:07.720 Some disappointing faults that will never change on a second viewing. 147 00:06:08.639 --> 00:06:11.480 Yeah, and I actually think part of that too, is 148 00:06:12.120 --> 00:06:13.959 just the way they set it up. They set it 149 00:06:14.040 --> 00:06:16.720 up so that the villain needs like these nine hore 150 00:06:16.759 --> 00:06:20.560 cruxes essentially, like he needs naing this Stony has all 151 00:06:20.600 --> 00:06:22.839 of them, he can blow up the world. But then 152 00:06:22.879 --> 00:06:25.240 it's like, oh, but he already has eight of them, guys, 153 00:06:25.560 --> 00:06:27.920 get stoked. He already he's getting the last one and 154 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:31.120 it's supposed to add suspense, but it just felt really weak, 155 00:06:31.199 --> 00:06:34.399 like that felt like, you know, screenwriters first time on 156 00:06:34.480 --> 00:06:36.560 the job or something that didn't feel like a Christopher 157 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:39.160 Nolan thing. It just seemed a bit lazy to me. 158 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:41.319 Well, I think that's even just my problem with the 159 00:06:41.399 --> 00:06:43.480 very beginning movie. I feel like the first thirty minutes 160 00:06:43.480 --> 00:06:46.079 we're dropped in a world that we don't know. 161 00:06:46.120 --> 00:06:47.279 And that's where it's like, if you look at the 162 00:06:47.279 --> 00:06:50.399 beginning of this movie versus the beginning, the inception that happens, 163 00:06:50.399 --> 00:06:52.759 but then slowly they peel back the oh, this is 164 00:06:52.800 --> 00:06:55.199 what's going on. Where I feel like, one with Tenet 165 00:06:55.199 --> 00:06:57.720 they do that a lot slower, and two my problem 166 00:06:57.800 --> 00:06:59.759 is they throw a lot at you. Like every time 167 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:03.000 Day Washington meets a new character, there's tons of exposition 168 00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:05.519 and they're talking about so many different characters. Like when 169 00:07:05.560 --> 00:07:07.560 we meet Michael Kine, he goes on like two different 170 00:07:07.600 --> 00:07:10.120 rants about like this person is the Dutchess sister, whose 171 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:12.040 cousin is this. It's like, I don't need to know 172 00:07:12.079 --> 00:07:15.360 all these details, but they're just you because it's Nolan, 173 00:07:15.399 --> 00:07:16.920 you think I need to know them all because it's 174 00:07:16.920 --> 00:07:19.920 all gonna be important, but sometimes they're not. It's just 175 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:22.240 little character details that I didn't think really fleshed them 176 00:07:22.279 --> 00:07:22.839 out too much. 177 00:07:22.879 --> 00:07:25.839 So yeah, I agree with that. I feel like there 178 00:07:25.879 --> 00:07:28.319 was some potential villains that were like set up in 179 00:07:28.399 --> 00:07:31.000 the opening of the movie that you never really hear 180 00:07:31.040 --> 00:07:33.759 from again, and then I didn't even really feel like, uh, 181 00:07:33.879 --> 00:07:35.839 what is the guy's name. I'm gonna try and find 182 00:07:35.879 --> 00:07:36.199 it quick. 183 00:07:36.240 --> 00:07:38.439 The main villain, cath Brona. 184 00:07:38.519 --> 00:07:40.439 I don't know the villain's name, but yeah, the guy 185 00:07:40.480 --> 00:07:42.519 he's like he directed Thor. 186 00:07:42.040 --> 00:07:43.560 And he was in uh yeah. 187 00:07:46.319 --> 00:07:46.959 Something like that. 188 00:07:47.079 --> 00:07:49.319 It well almost something they said ziito and I was like, 189 00:07:49.480 --> 00:07:52.279 is this connection to Yeah, I'm like, is this actually 190 00:07:52.279 --> 00:07:54.839 like I have for five minutes like, oh, this is 191 00:07:54.839 --> 00:07:57.079 the big twist. It is connected the inception. I was 192 00:07:57.120 --> 00:07:59.120 gonna really excited and that's like, oh no, this guy 193 00:07:59.240 --> 00:08:02.560 just has the same but it's with an R at 194 00:08:02.560 --> 00:08:06.639 the end. Okay, Yeah, yeah, another spoilers. Is there something 195 00:08:06.680 --> 00:08:08.040 you want to shut as far as we're talking about 196 00:08:08.040 --> 00:08:10.439 a guinst cons right now, but anything particularly that you 197 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:12.160 wanted to really get off your chest from last night. 198 00:08:12.360 --> 00:08:13.519 Yeah, one thing in particular. 199 00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:15.360 So this and this is kind of like a con 200 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:17.360 and I told you this offcast yesterday. So at the 201 00:08:17.360 --> 00:08:19.600 intro of the film, I had thought they would retouch 202 00:08:19.680 --> 00:08:23.040 upon the fact that when the protagonist encounters that first 203 00:08:23.879 --> 00:08:27.920 inverted person, when the or the inverted gunshot goes back, 204 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:30.399 and then I thought they would touch upon that later on. 205 00:08:30.560 --> 00:08:32.480 But all that's clarified with that as a woman says, 206 00:08:32.480 --> 00:08:35.080 you're lucky you didn't take an inverted bullet or whatever, 207 00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:36.639 and I thought, wow, that's. 208 00:08:36.480 --> 00:08:37.360 Really all they're leaving. 209 00:08:37.360 --> 00:08:39.279 I thought they would fall back to the intro because 210 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:42.159 the beginning had that. It also had him knowing exactly 211 00:08:42.200 --> 00:08:44.480 where to go to find one of the devices for 212 00:08:44.799 --> 00:08:47.320 the destruction of the world, one of the pieces of 213 00:08:47.320 --> 00:08:50.799 the horse crux. So I don't understand how what was 214 00:08:50.879 --> 00:08:53.360 his because as I told you, there were four teams 215 00:08:53.399 --> 00:08:56.240 that were involved in that opera house. There were the terrorists, 216 00:08:56.440 --> 00:09:01.120 there was the tenant man him whatever doing doing gunshots. 217 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:04.720 There was the protagonist part of his undercover team, and 218 00:09:04.759 --> 00:09:07.320 then there was the main swat team that was in 219 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:10.559 there that was I guess popping bombs off to the bombs. 220 00:09:10.559 --> 00:09:12.080 There were so many teams, so I don't know what 221 00:09:12.120 --> 00:09:15.399 the goal was and apparently. I think Cyto or Cito 222 00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:19.919 from what I read afterwards, I think he was a 223 00:09:19.960 --> 00:09:22.200 part of that and somehow, but we don't learn that 224 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:22.639 he is. 225 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:25.200 Well he was though, because well he was, because remember 226 00:09:25.200 --> 00:09:25.720 that's how they meet. 227 00:09:25.759 --> 00:09:27.519 He brings up the opera, so that's how we learn 228 00:09:27.600 --> 00:09:29.960 he is connected to that somehow, But I. 229 00:09:29.960 --> 00:09:31.679 Don't remember him being in the opera seit. 230 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:34.320 Well, no, I think he's just the guy that is 231 00:09:34.799 --> 00:09:36.960 the he he's organizing it. 232 00:09:36.960 --> 00:09:39.279 It's his. So whoever some bad guys are, they're his 233 00:09:39.399 --> 00:09:40.039 bad guys. 234 00:09:40.039 --> 00:09:42.200 So that's what I think it is, is that he's 235 00:09:42.320 --> 00:09:44.799 the red skull to the hydressaying go do this. 236 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:46.879 So that's that's what I think they're supposed to do. 237 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:48.960 Okay, then that's my That's one of my cons is 238 00:09:49.039 --> 00:09:52.120 they don't cover how the protagonists knew to find one 239 00:09:52.159 --> 00:09:54.120 of the devices hanging in that coat rack of a 240 00:09:54.159 --> 00:09:55.080 thousand coats? 241 00:09:55.360 --> 00:09:57.440 So why was he looking for it when he went 242 00:09:57.639 --> 00:09:58.519 They cover that part. 243 00:09:58.879 --> 00:10:00.600 That guy that they go to say if he tells 244 00:10:00.639 --> 00:10:02.200 them the number of the co rats, I'm the same 245 00:10:02.240 --> 00:10:03.440 thing with you. I don't know what happened to that 246 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:05.080 inverted guy who almost shot him. 247 00:10:05.120 --> 00:10:07.159 Maybe it was just that one was just by luck 248 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:09.600 that there was another invert person doing something else not 249 00:10:09.720 --> 00:10:13.000 involved with him, which is you know, because everything else 250 00:10:13.120 --> 00:10:15.600 after that point has shown like oh it was Robert 251 00:10:15.639 --> 00:10:18.279 passing or him the whole time, right, But I think 252 00:10:18.120 --> 00:10:18.639 the co. 253 00:10:18.840 --> 00:10:21.360 Check was that guy whoever their mole was. He did 254 00:10:21.360 --> 00:10:23.480 tell them the number and where to go, so. 255 00:10:23.480 --> 00:10:25.360 He was a part of the inverted sea thing. 256 00:10:25.519 --> 00:10:29.240 Okay, Yeah, that was something that was kind of just 257 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:31.519 confusing to me across the movie, like I didn't really 258 00:10:31.559 --> 00:10:34.639 know who we were up against or like who was 259 00:10:34.679 --> 00:10:37.399 on what faction, Like particularly the end the end of 260 00:10:37.399 --> 00:10:40.159 the movie when we're at like that kind of corry 261 00:10:40.279 --> 00:10:43.240 area like the Sandy you know, like the last final 262 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:46.200 big battle. I have no idea what was going on there, 263 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:48.320 Like who were they against. I didn't see, Like there's 264 00:10:48.360 --> 00:10:51.000 the one like Russian dude who ends up going down 265 00:10:51.039 --> 00:10:53.320 and he's like going to the container that has all 266 00:10:53.320 --> 00:10:55.240 the horse cruxes. But now there that I didn't see 267 00:10:55.240 --> 00:10:57.480 a single like quote unquote bad guy, no idea who 268 00:10:57.480 --> 00:10:59.000 they were fighting. I didn't know if they were like 269 00:10:59.159 --> 00:11:00.480 if it was supposed to be that the Red Team 270 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:02.879 versus the Blue Team, which wouldn't make any sense. So 271 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:05.120 I just had no idea what they were blowing up, 272 00:11:05.159 --> 00:11:07.799 who they were shooting at. It didn't really make any 273 00:11:07.840 --> 00:11:10.799 sense to me. Did you guys see that scene differently 274 00:11:10.799 --> 00:11:11.039 than me? 275 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:13.360 I took it. I don't think it's explained well. 276 00:11:13.399 --> 00:11:15.279 I think that's where it's like James BONDI as far 277 00:11:15.279 --> 00:11:16.879 as these are just goons, but I took it as 278 00:11:17.480 --> 00:11:20.039 Sito's these are a bunch of goons he's hired to 279 00:11:20.080 --> 00:11:21.759 protect his investment in this ball. 280 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:23.879 That's all that. The movie didn't really tell me that, 281 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:27.240 but I just assumed it is a big Oh yeah. 282 00:11:27.240 --> 00:11:29.360 They all had the exact everybody had the exact same 283 00:11:29.360 --> 00:11:31.519 attire in this movie, you know, the red, the blue, 284 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:33.639 and then the like it was like the white blue 285 00:11:33.639 --> 00:11:35.759 camo instead. But that's what I took them as. 286 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:38.200 They were just goons that were there hired to protect it, 287 00:11:38.279 --> 00:11:39.519 you know, to die for anything. 288 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:40.759 Which that's a scene. 289 00:11:40.519 --> 00:11:43.759 That I love, like like cinematically, but that's a scene 290 00:11:43.759 --> 00:11:45.919 where I need the four YouTube videos showing me all 291 00:11:45.960 --> 00:11:48.159 the different timelines at the same time, because I thought 292 00:11:48.159 --> 00:11:49.519 it was a cool effect. But there was a time 293 00:11:49.559 --> 00:11:52.559 where like the building blew up three times, I was 294 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:54.440 kind of like I was getting a little lost. I 295 00:11:54.440 --> 00:11:56.080 was like, I'm trying to play It's like, okay, who 296 00:11:56.159 --> 00:11:57.759 shot first? How do they do this? Like it just 297 00:11:57.759 --> 00:12:01.120 feels at some point and I'm sure, I'm sure there's 298 00:12:01.120 --> 00:12:02.679 a way it's gonna be broken down, but it was 299 00:12:02.759 --> 00:12:04.519 just like so much time travel on time travel, on 300 00:12:04.559 --> 00:12:06.200 time travel. I was lost where I feel like the 301 00:12:06.200 --> 00:12:09.159 inception the dream within a dream within a dream that 302 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:12.279 can get confluted, confusing, but eventually it works in your head. 303 00:12:12.279 --> 00:12:13.919 And they did that good thing in that where they'd 304 00:12:13.919 --> 00:12:16.080 show like we talked about that where it shows all 305 00:12:16.159 --> 00:12:18.759 like the montages of people getting ready for the kicks 306 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:21.240 or something slowed down with this, I don't feel that's 307 00:12:21.240 --> 00:12:22.200 the same way exposition. 308 00:12:22.240 --> 00:12:23.799 I feel like it was not. 309 00:12:24.919 --> 00:12:27.320 It could have taken a little like another once over, 310 00:12:27.360 --> 00:12:28.879 like how could we make this a bit tighter or 311 00:12:28.879 --> 00:12:30.360 how could we make this bit clear? And I feel 312 00:12:30.399 --> 00:12:32.120 like that's what this movie. One of the things that 313 00:12:32.200 --> 00:12:34.320 was missing was for that stuff to be clear. 314 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:38.320 Yeah. Well, I think that the inception comparisons be different 315 00:12:38.320 --> 00:12:40.360 because at least when when you're in those scenes where 316 00:12:40.360 --> 00:12:42.679 it's cutting between everyone getting pumped out with a kick 317 00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:44.519 you actually you know who they all are at that point, 318 00:12:44.919 --> 00:12:47.600 whereas in this movie, like even Robert Pattison, he's like, 319 00:12:47.960 --> 00:12:49.519 you know, you know a what about him, but still 320 00:12:49.559 --> 00:12:52.360 there's this like essence of mystery to him that isn't 321 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:55.320 revealed until like literally the last scene, and then he's 322 00:12:55.320 --> 00:12:57.279 gone and then it's something else. And that's kind of 323 00:12:57.320 --> 00:12:59.840 the case for like everyone, even your main the protagonist, 324 00:12:59.879 --> 00:13:01.879 you learn at the end he did like so much 325 00:13:01.919 --> 00:13:05.000 more that is never really on screen. That kind of 326 00:13:05.000 --> 00:13:08.679 felt like a half assed ending to me. I have 327 00:13:08.759 --> 00:13:10.840 like a few questions. I don't know if I kind 328 00:13:10.840 --> 00:13:11.960 of want to throw them at you guys and see 329 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:14.240 if you have answers, just so I can help understand 330 00:13:14.279 --> 00:13:14.960 a little bit more of this. 331 00:13:15.039 --> 00:13:17.120 Yeah, my only thing I'll touch on the protagonist before 332 00:13:17.159 --> 00:13:18.720 we go, because that was a con of mine. I 333 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:21.320 couldn't say last night that I he to me, that 334 00:13:21.399 --> 00:13:23.799 was my thing of when we did the Inception retro 335 00:13:23.879 --> 00:13:26.720 and I read that quote about how when Leo and 336 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:30.000 Nolan met, Leo like sat down Nolan and Nolan said 337 00:13:30.039 --> 00:13:31.639 that he really attributed him for making it more of 338 00:13:31.639 --> 00:13:34.200 a character story than a plot story. It was less 339 00:13:34.240 --> 00:13:36.799 about the world that was more about Cobb trying to 340 00:13:36.919 --> 00:13:39.600 achieve this goal. That's what I feel like this, And 341 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:42.639 there's differences, but I feel like inception could have been 342 00:13:42.679 --> 00:13:45.279 out that without that, maybe that story is not that real. 343 00:13:45.399 --> 00:13:47.279 It's maybe it's a little. 344 00:13:47.080 --> 00:13:50.320 Heightened, but that's what that feel like, where the protagonist 345 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:52.840 is just the protagonist and there's not much to him. 346 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:54.840 I like the acting. I think he did a good job. 347 00:13:54.879 --> 00:13:57.360 He has some I like the like comedic stuff he 348 00:13:57.399 --> 00:13:59.120 had in the restaurant of all I take that to 349 00:13:59.159 --> 00:14:02.440 go and stuff like that. Oh he didn't know I 350 00:14:02.600 --> 00:14:03.320 liked all that stuff. 351 00:14:03.480 --> 00:14:06.159 He was just like way too dad joking. It felt 352 00:14:06.200 --> 00:14:08.919 like I don't know none of it. It just felt 353 00:14:08.960 --> 00:14:11.600 like very like cliche, like kind of generic dialogue for me. 354 00:14:12.039 --> 00:14:14.120 Yeah, but yeah, that was my thing of like his 355 00:14:14.279 --> 00:14:17.600 connection was her, but and then again that's another bon trope. 356 00:14:17.639 --> 00:14:19.799 He falls in love right away, but I just I 357 00:14:19.840 --> 00:14:22.159 didn't connect. I think Elizabeth de Becky's like the heart 358 00:14:22.159 --> 00:14:25.039 of this film, and that works. But I just feel 359 00:14:25.080 --> 00:14:27.559 that every other lead, for the most part, in old movies, 360 00:14:27.559 --> 00:14:29.679 even prestige when it's like these guys are awful, but 361 00:14:29.720 --> 00:14:33.279 they're really driven by something he's just driven by like, oh, 362 00:14:33.279 --> 00:14:35.320 I gotta save the country, which works. That's fine, but 363 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:37.559 I guess I was always expecting more because I always 364 00:14:37.559 --> 00:14:39.919 feel his protagonists do have a little bit more. There's 365 00:14:39.960 --> 00:14:42.360 that little empt to get me personally invested, and I 366 00:14:42.399 --> 00:14:44.799 didn't find that with this guy. Where that's why we pass. 367 00:14:44.879 --> 00:14:47.039 And like he said, he is mysterious. But then when 368 00:14:47.080 --> 00:14:48.919 I learn about everything he did at the end, that 369 00:14:48.960 --> 00:14:51.159 does excite me to watch again, to feel like okay, 370 00:14:51.320 --> 00:14:53.240 because clearly, like when they have that meeting at the 371 00:14:53.279 --> 00:14:55.159 beginning and he's like, oh, you'll take a diet coke 372 00:14:55.200 --> 00:14:56.759 and he's like, I don't like diet cokey, He's like, yes, 373 00:14:56.799 --> 00:14:59.399 you do. So to find more little things like that 374 00:14:59.639 --> 00:15:01.360 I think will be fun. So that's why I passed 375 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:04.720 this character. I kind of I made the comparison inception 376 00:15:04.759 --> 00:15:06.639 where Arthur was the cool one and Dom had the 377 00:15:06.759 --> 00:15:10.039 character like personality. It's weird that the main character was 378 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:12.320 the cool like trying to be the cool one and 379 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:14.279 the side character was the guy that had a bit 380 00:15:14.279 --> 00:15:17.080 more emotionality to it. So that's why I didn't connect 381 00:15:17.080 --> 00:15:19.200 with the main I even though I liked all the acting. 382 00:15:20.799 --> 00:15:23.879 Yeah, I kind of feel like I'm already forget her 383 00:15:23.960 --> 00:15:26.720 name to Becky's character Cat, I'm kind of for like. 384 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:28.080 I kind of feel like she was the only one 385 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:30.559 that I knew who she was from start to finish. Yeah, 386 00:15:30.600 --> 00:15:33.720 and I actually know, like like her character backstory, and 387 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:36.639 I mean it's like a simple She's a simple character, 388 00:15:36.679 --> 00:15:38.440 so it makes sense. I kind of feel like she 389 00:15:38.480 --> 00:15:40.879 was the only one that I really understand at this 390 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:43.240 point who I didn't feel like there was scenes missing 391 00:15:43.279 --> 00:15:45.519 that would have helped me fill in some blanks or something. 392 00:15:45.759 --> 00:15:48.720 Even though before your questions, do you feel because Emi 393 00:15:48.799 --> 00:15:50.519 explained a bit more to me last night, so I 394 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:54.399 do understand it more. But I feel like the husband 395 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:56.879 and that whole painting was one of the most convoluted 396 00:15:56.919 --> 00:15:57.559 things ever. 397 00:15:58.039 --> 00:15:59.759 That was my first question, what is that painting? I 398 00:15:59.799 --> 00:16:01.399 don't get it? 399 00:16:01.519 --> 00:16:03.440 So I guess Emily bro down to me that like 400 00:16:03.759 --> 00:16:06.720 she thought it was real, so she told her husband 401 00:16:06.799 --> 00:16:08.799