WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.919 --> 00:00:05.120 Hi everyone. J Michael dangelis here, co creator of Mission Rejected. 2 00:00:05.400 --> 00:00:10.119 Welcome you to another episode of Mission Rejected presents this month. 3 00:00:10.199 --> 00:00:12.759 We're really pleased to bring you another episode of What 4 00:00:12.800 --> 00:00:16.879 did We Just Watch? The movie trivia quiz show podcast. 5 00:00:17.600 --> 00:00:20.640 We presented this back in twenty twenty three when we 6 00:00:20.640 --> 00:00:26.760 were contestants covering the Saint, and since then a whole 7 00:00:26.839 --> 00:00:30.039 lot of Mission Rejected folks have popped up on the show, 8 00:00:30.440 --> 00:00:33.600 and of course our very own Admiral Bob Killian is 9 00:00:33.600 --> 00:00:37.039 a regular panelist and occasional co host. It's a great show. 10 00:00:37.159 --> 00:00:43.039 We love weird, cult, cheesy movies and this show honors 11 00:00:43.079 --> 00:00:47.119 that and we were really thrilled recently when the creator 12 00:00:47.159 --> 00:00:50.799 of the show, Mark actually offered us to take over 13 00:00:50.840 --> 00:00:54.079 an entire episode. So I was the host and the 14 00:00:54.119 --> 00:00:59.240 movie I selected was Shock Treatment, the weird quasi sequel 15 00:00:59.320 --> 00:01:03.200 to The Rock Horror Picture Show. The contestants are Pete, Bob, 16 00:01:03.280 --> 00:01:06.319 and Chris, and let's see how they do. So I'm 17 00:01:06.319 --> 00:01:09.040 going to turn it over to them and the first 18 00:01:09.159 --> 00:01:11.480 round of what did We just watch? 19 00:01:12.079 --> 00:01:13.159 Shock Treatment? 20 00:01:16.920 --> 00:01:22.200 Gentlemen, thank you for coming this evening to the Avengers 21 00:01:22.239 --> 00:01:28.239 two Memorial Studio we've we've been called here because the 22 00:01:28.280 --> 00:01:31.400 portrait has been given the opportunity not only to take 23 00:01:31.439 --> 00:01:35.879 over what did we just watch? While Mark Nasall has 24 00:01:35.879 --> 00:01:38.599 fled the country a movie so shocking even Mark had 25 00:01:38.599 --> 00:01:42.879 to flee the country he was scared. But we've all 26 00:01:43.040 --> 00:01:47.040 given the opportunity to pitch new television shows to the 27 00:01:47.120 --> 00:01:52.680 DTV network. So I want everybody's best pitch. Mister Flavors 28 00:01:53.159 --> 00:01:57.200 is waiting for the new fall lineup, so let's hear them. 29 00:01:57.200 --> 00:01:59.359 What do we got? All right? 30 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:08.000 This it's called leave it to Diva, Denton's own diver, 31 00:02:09.000 --> 00:02:14.000 always getting in trouble, always doing silly things. But you 32 00:02:14.240 --> 00:02:18.199 just leave it to Deva to do the silly things, 33 00:02:18.479 --> 00:02:21.719 and then we're all more tolerant. 34 00:02:21.800 --> 00:02:24.400 In the end, I feel important lessons might be learned. 35 00:02:24.719 --> 00:02:26.960 I like it. It's old fashion, and that's that what we're 36 00:02:26.960 --> 00:02:30.599 trying to bring back. Yes, I win, Maybe not yet. 37 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:33.319 Speaking of old fashioned, I have a great pitch for you. 38 00:02:34.280 --> 00:02:34.960 There's going to. 39 00:02:34.879 --> 00:02:42.319 Be a large English architecture piece with many actors in 40 00:02:42.400 --> 00:02:44.879 there on a wonderful TV show that we will call 41 00:02:45.039 --> 00:02:45.960 Denton Abbey. 42 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:50.280 Oh ah, I see. 43 00:02:51.960 --> 00:02:54.159 What sort of intrigue will happen on Denton Abbey. 44 00:02:54.319 --> 00:02:58.159 Maggie Smith will return from the grave insold. 45 00:02:58.439 --> 00:02:59.919 I'm sold. We got two. 46 00:03:00.479 --> 00:03:02.520 Is she gonna be upstairs or downstairs? 47 00:03:02.680 --> 00:03:04.439 All the stairs? 48 00:03:03.840 --> 00:03:09.879 She will play the stage and Judy Dench as the basement. 49 00:03:11.840 --> 00:03:12.319 Exactly. 50 00:03:13.199 --> 00:03:14.840 Well, I got one that's gonna knock you out of 51 00:03:14.879 --> 00:03:18.360 this park, all right, h we need some small town Americana, 52 00:03:18.479 --> 00:03:21.080 just like we need in Denton. So we're going one 53 00:03:21.120 --> 00:03:23.159 stayed over or But you know what, I always thought 54 00:03:23.159 --> 00:03:24.520 we were in Ohio, not that I think about it, 55 00:03:24.520 --> 00:03:25.240 but I'm not on tail shure. 56 00:03:25.280 --> 00:03:27.800 That's correct. So where let's not worry about where we are. 57 00:03:27.879 --> 00:03:30.400 There's a little town called Danville, Ohio, and they have 58 00:03:30.479 --> 00:03:33.199 a game that they play once a year, which will 59 00:03:33.240 --> 00:03:35.000 make a great game show. We have a lot of 60 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:37.120 game shows on this network. I want to add another one. 61 00:03:37.360 --> 00:03:41.000 And what they have over there in Denville, Pennsylvania is 62 00:03:41.599 --> 00:03:44.960 the annual toilet Toss. I knew you would like this one, d'angela. 63 00:03:45.080 --> 00:03:47.439 What it is is you get out your most aerodynamic toilet, 64 00:03:47.479 --> 00:03:49.039 You're thrown as far as you can. I think the 65 00:03:49.080 --> 00:03:51.319 audience will go crazy. The problem is we do not 66 00:03:51.400 --> 00:03:53.960 have the rights to the name toilet toss. So I've 67 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:57.280 got a brand new name and it is Game of Thrones. 68 00:03:57.960 --> 00:04:00.800 So we're gonna call it Game of Thrones, and I 69 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:02.400 think it's gonna be a hit, and you know, everyone 70 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:04.199 throws their toys, everyone has a great time, and then 71 00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:07.280 at the end it ends in a very unsatisfying way 72 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:08.479 and then everyone gets mang goes home. 73 00:04:09.520 --> 00:04:11.759 I think that that name is also probably taken, but 74 00:04:11.759 --> 00:04:13.879 I'm gonna go with lusher Fling. 75 00:04:14.120 --> 00:04:15.479 Wait what year is this? Okay? 76 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:19.519 But this was These were all good pitches, but I 77 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:22.040 think I've got the ultimate ultimate one. It's really gonna 78 00:04:22.040 --> 00:04:23.800 bring everybody to the TV. 79 00:04:24.079 --> 00:04:25.279 Well, tell us it's. 80 00:04:25.160 --> 00:04:27.639 Gonna be called what did I just hear? 81 00:04:27.759 --> 00:04:27.879 On? 82 00:04:27.920 --> 00:04:30.600 What did we just watch? And it's just gonna be 83 00:04:30.759 --> 00:04:34.879 thirty minutes of me correcting trivia that I heard on 84 00:04:34.959 --> 00:04:38.199 what did we just watch? And ranting about how they 85 00:04:38.199 --> 00:04:40.519 didn't bring up like, for example, how did you not 86 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:45.600 go in depth on the complete IMDb filmography of Lauren 87 00:04:45.639 --> 00:04:49.279 Holly star pickt Fences? How did we not talk more 88 00:04:49.319 --> 00:04:53.199 about Janine Turner's turn on Northern Exposure? How do we 89 00:04:53.279 --> 00:04:56.319 not do on Sergeant Pepper? Like a complete deep dive 90 00:04:56.439 --> 00:05:00.360 into the Robert Stegwood organization that produced that movie. Believe 91 00:05:00.399 --> 00:05:02.480 as Bob, I think it was you or Mark who said, 92 00:05:02.680 --> 00:05:05.120 why does this feel like? Somebody saw the Who's Tommy 93 00:05:05.120 --> 00:05:06.959 and said, let's make it but a family movie? Because 94 00:05:06.959 --> 00:05:09.680 that is exactly what Robert stikwould did. He made both 95 00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:10.639 those movies. 96 00:05:11.639 --> 00:05:13.920 This has been, this has been what did we just hear? 97 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:18.279 That's right, Brandy, you sound a little obsessive here, Michael. 98 00:05:18.319 --> 00:05:21.600 I think you should be introduced to two doctors that 99 00:05:21.639 --> 00:05:24.560 we all know, because they might have some questions for you. 100 00:05:24.720 --> 00:05:26.959 Think I could get on a revival of Denton Vale. 101 00:05:28.439 --> 00:05:31.439 I think anything's possible. You're in Denton. 102 00:05:32.240 --> 00:05:35.920 Sign me up, bring in the diver, sign me up? 103 00:05:52.759 --> 00:05:55.040 All right, everyone, Welcome to What did we just watch? 104 00:05:55.120 --> 00:05:59.600 The Movie? Trivia quiz Show podcast. Today's episode is about 105 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:02.839 the ninth eighty one musical film Shock Treatment, written by 106 00:06:02.920 --> 00:06:06.560 Richard O'Brien, directed by Jim Sharmon, starring Jessica Harper clipped 107 00:06:06.560 --> 00:06:10.720 a young Richard O'Brien, Patricia Quinn, Charles Gray, and Little Nell. 108 00:06:11.319 --> 00:06:13.360 In this movie, the town of Denton has been placed 109 00:06:13.439 --> 00:06:16.040 under the control of a television network, with the town's 110 00:06:16.120 --> 00:06:20.160 entire population involved in the network's productions. Brad Majors of 111 00:06:20.199 --> 00:06:24.720 the Rocky Horror Show or Maybe Not find himself imprisoned 112 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:27.959 in the local mental hospital while his wife Janet becomes 113 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:31.560 part of the pet project of Farley Flavors, the local plutocrat. 114 00:06:32.279 --> 00:06:34.519 This film, a follow up to the legendary cult classic 115 00:06:34.519 --> 00:06:36.680 The Rocky Hart Picture Show, is, in the words of 116 00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:41.439 Richard O'Brien, not a sequel, not a prequel, but an 117 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:46.319 equal words, I feel later retracted. I'm your host j 118 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:49.959 Michael DeAngelis taking over this show and our contestancies. We 119 00:06:50.199 --> 00:06:53.480 are Pete Barry playing as Winley McKinley. 120 00:06:53.519 --> 00:06:55.959 Hello Pete, Hey, Sorry, I couldn't come with a more 121 00:06:56.240 --> 00:06:58.959 exciting name, but I did love the mckinleys in this movie, 122 00:06:58.959 --> 00:07:00.480 so so. 123 00:07:00.399 --> 00:07:03.879 I decided to join the family playing as Professor Fate. 124 00:07:03.959 --> 00:07:08.680 It's Chris Kleinecki pushing the buzz in Max and our 125 00:07:08.759 --> 00:07:10.879 one regular from what did we just watch? Here to 126 00:07:10.959 --> 00:07:14.720 make sure that we don't lose total control, it is 127 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:19.879 Bob Killian playing as bobbing in the kitchen. Hey, that's 128 00:07:19.879 --> 00:07:22.439 what I'll be doing. And as always, of course, our 129 00:07:22.480 --> 00:07:25.240 contestants are playing for this week's mystery prize, which will 130 00:07:25.279 --> 00:07:29.120 be revealed at the end of the show. So before 131 00:07:29.160 --> 00:07:31.600 we dive into shock Treatment, and there's a lot to 132 00:07:31.639 --> 00:07:35.439 talk about. I think it's important to talk about the 133 00:07:35.519 --> 00:07:38.360 history of this movie because it's really interesting. So I 134 00:07:38.399 --> 00:07:42.240 would like, if I may, to take you on a 135 00:07:42.360 --> 00:07:47.480 strange journey. In nineteen seventy five, Twentieth Century Fox released 136 00:07:47.480 --> 00:07:49.920 The Rocky Horror Picture Show, which was the film adaptation 137 00:07:50.319 --> 00:07:52.040 of the cult News School, which had been a smash 138 00:07:52.120 --> 00:07:55.680 hit in London and LA and would open and close 139 00:07:55.759 --> 00:07:59.600 on Broadway before the release of this film, So they 140 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:01.759 played did in LA. They went and shot the movie, 141 00:08:02.040 --> 00:08:03.839 they came back and played on Broadway. It did not 142 00:08:04.120 --> 00:08:06.439 go as well on Broadway as I had elsewhere, And 143 00:08:06.480 --> 00:08:09.519 then the movie came out and the movie went least 144 00:08:09.560 --> 00:08:13.199 well of all, so it was an immediate flop on 145 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:16.480 its release, but the film grew in popularity thanks to 146 00:08:16.519 --> 00:08:21.040 midnight screenings, with audiences developing rifts and callbacks to shout 147 00:08:21.040 --> 00:08:24.199 it at the screen, and it became a cultural phenomenon. 148 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:27.639 It is considered to be the longest running film of 149 00:08:27.680 --> 00:08:30.519 all time because it has been in continuous release since 150 00:08:30.600 --> 00:08:32.840 nineteen seventy five. There are still places that show it 151 00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:36.639 every week every month. It certainly still gets played most 152 00:08:36.639 --> 00:08:39.799 often at Halloween as a special thing. So it is, 153 00:08:40.279 --> 00:08:43.679 and it is one of the very few films when 154 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:47.120 Disney purchased Fox that they did not put into the 155 00:08:47.159 --> 00:08:50.919 Disney fault. So Fox had a very liberal if you 156 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:53.840 wanted to screen any old Fox movie, you could order 157 00:08:53.840 --> 00:08:55.759 it from the catalog and show it at your movie theater. 158 00:08:56.080 --> 00:08:58.159 That's not a policy that Disney has. But they did 159 00:08:58.159 --> 00:09:02.759 not want to disrupt Rocky Horror, which I think also 160 00:09:03.039 --> 00:09:05.159 I think we can talk later on does this make 161 00:09:05.279 --> 00:09:11.799 Doctor Franknfurter or a Disney princess. So encouraged by the success 162 00:09:11.960 --> 00:09:16.480 of Rocky Horror at its continued and growing success, author 163 00:09:16.519 --> 00:09:18.879 and poser Richard O'Brien set to work on a sequel, 164 00:09:19.240 --> 00:09:21.840 and in nineteen seventy eight he wrote something called Rocky 165 00:09:21.879 --> 00:09:24.960 Horror Shows His Heels that was going to be a 166 00:09:25.039 --> 00:09:27.720 very traditional sequel. It would have featured all of the 167 00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:30.279 characters from Rocky Horror, even the ones who had died. 168 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:36.159 Fox responded, yes, but it was a science fiction double feature. 169 00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:38.879 So in the tradition of these things, people come back, 170 00:09:39.879 --> 00:09:43.679 And apparently Fox responded fairly strongly to the outline, but 171 00:09:43.759 --> 00:09:46.039 he also wrote all the songs, and he had a 172 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:49.840 demo tape and they really liked the songs, and that 173 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:53.600 is the one piece that sort of stayed through until 174 00:09:53.639 --> 00:09:55.720 Shock Treatment are the songs. So a lot of these 175 00:09:55.720 --> 00:10:01.159 songs were originally written for rocky horror shows. I thought, so, yes. 176 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:03.879 This sounds like it was like a rough draft of 177 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:05.399 the time warp as I was listening to. 178 00:10:06.960 --> 00:10:10.840 But what happened was Tim Curry had no interest in 179 00:10:10.879 --> 00:10:13.759 playing Frank again. He thought, I mean, he had been 180 00:10:13.799 --> 00:10:15.600 doing it at that point. He did it for like 181 00:10:15.679 --> 00:10:18.799 three years in a row, so he was done playing Frank. 182 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:22.600 And Jim Sharmon also wanted to do something more different 183 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:26.759 and not just rehash rocky horror. So Richard O'Brien went 184 00:10:26.799 --> 00:10:29.039 back to work and the next script was something called 185 00:10:29.080 --> 00:10:33.120 The Brad and Janet Show. Its plot is pretty similar 186 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:35.799 to Shock Treatment, but instead of taking place entirely in 187 00:10:35.799 --> 00:10:38.720 the TV studio, it would have been shot on location 188 00:10:38.879 --> 00:10:42.960 in Denton, Texas, and all of the scenes would have 189 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:45.799 been shot taking place around town. There was still a 190 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:49.519 TV studio at which Janet works, but she also had 191 00:10:49.519 --> 00:10:52.200 a home and her parents had a home, the asylum 192 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:53.919 was a real asylum, all those things, so it would 193 00:10:53.919 --> 00:10:57.039 have been more realistic than what this movie portrays. 194 00:10:57.159 --> 00:10:59.399 That sounds pretty expensive to produce though. 195 00:10:59.399 --> 00:11:02.360 Right, but it was all ago. I mean. One other 196 00:11:02.799 --> 00:11:05.759 major difference that was from what ended up being Shock 197 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:08.799 Treatment is that the Rocky Horror character of doctor Everett 198 00:11:08.840 --> 00:11:12.440 Scott would have been the host of Marriage Maids and 199 00:11:12.600 --> 00:11:16.279 the manager of the Dent Intellivision station, so that would 200 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:18.440 have been his role. It was hoped that Tim Curry 201 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:22.320 would play Farley Flavors and Brad Major's but he was 202 00:11:22.399 --> 00:11:25.440 interested but pasted, saying he did not think his American 203 00:11:25.519 --> 00:11:28.279 accent would be strong enough, particularly for Farley Flavors, who 204 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:31.200 was supposed to be this, you know, very very American 205 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:35.840 kind of guy. Barry Bostwick, who had played Brad, was 206 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:39.720 unavailable because he was on Broadway, and Janet Susan Sarandon 207 00:11:39.759 --> 00:11:41.720 by now had become too big a star and her 208 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:47.559 price tag was more than they could afford. However, Cliff 209 00:11:47.600 --> 00:11:50.120 de Young and Jessica Harper were cast in their place. 210 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:51.799 We'll talk more about the cast in a little bit. 211 00:11:52.159 --> 00:11:55.159 And Richard O'Brien, Patricia Quinn, Little mel Campbell and Charles 212 00:11:55.159 --> 00:11:57.879 Gray all returned from Rocky Horror Picture Show, but in 213 00:11:58.000 --> 00:12:01.000 different roles. This will be up what we'll do A 214 00:12:01.240 --> 00:12:06.080 who can get an early bonus point? A pre quiz question, 215 00:12:06.480 --> 00:12:10.799 A buzz in? Yes, you can buzz it who is 216 00:12:10.840 --> 00:12:14.279 the only actor And if you don't know the actor's name, 217 00:12:14.279 --> 00:12:16.480 you can say the character who is the only actor 218 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:20.080 to play the same character in Rocky Horror and Shock Treatment. 219 00:12:21.799 --> 00:12:24.759 That's gonna go to Bob so I. 220 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:28.440 Yeah, I don't know his name, but like in Rocky Horror, 221 00:12:28.519 --> 00:12:33.080 he is like the he's like sort of narrating, He's 222 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:37.120 like telling the story. It's like the criminology at the Criminologist. 223 00:12:37.200 --> 00:12:40.279 Yeah, that is incorrect. We will talk, so we will 224 00:12:40.279 --> 00:12:42.840 talk about whether or not that character is supposed to 225 00:12:42.879 --> 00:12:46.519 be but it's not explicit. Okay, okay, so uh that 226 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:50.200 is not explicit. There is one only one character who 227 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:53.639 is explicitly the same person. The next person to buzz 228 00:12:53.679 --> 00:12:55.399 in was Chris, do you want to take a guest? Doctor? 229 00:12:55.440 --> 00:12:57.840 Oliver was also my guess. I felt like he was 230 00:12:57.960 --> 00:13:01.919 kind of playing the same rule. Yeah, I agree, nebulous. 231 00:13:02.480 --> 00:13:04.639 Yeah, so Pete, do you have a guest? 232 00:13:05.080 --> 00:13:05.480 I can't. 233 00:13:05.480 --> 00:13:07.840 I'm thinking it's gotta be something non human or something 234 00:13:07.840 --> 00:13:10.000 because I'm going through all the people in Rocky Hart 235 00:13:10.279 --> 00:13:12.120 We I don't know if I think Bob and Chris 236 00:13:12.200 --> 00:13:14.480 also watched Rocky Horror in prepp of this am I am? 237 00:13:14.480 --> 00:13:17.360 I corrected that I went back and watched Rocky Horror again, 238 00:13:17.759 --> 00:13:21.480 and I'm like, I do not remember anyone who who 239 00:13:21.519 --> 00:13:24.559 was in both the both movies as the same person. 240 00:13:25.440 --> 00:13:27.720 So the only person to reprise their role from Rocky 241 00:13:27.720 --> 00:13:31.320 Era Picture Show is Jeremy Newsom, who plays Ralph Hapshat. 242 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:34.200 So Ralph has a fairly large part in this movie. 243 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:37.919 He is who is getting in the very first scene 244 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:41.559 of Rocky Horror, and Janet are at the wedding of 245 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:45.519 Ralph and Betty Hapshat. Okay, right, so he only has 246 00:13:45.519 --> 00:13:47.440 a brief He has a brief scene with Brad and 247 00:13:47.480 --> 00:13:50.799 he says, oh, Brad, you'll be next. Brad sick stamit 248 00:13:50.919 --> 00:13:54.559 Janet right, and then Ralph and Betty are in this movie. 249 00:13:54.600 --> 00:13:57.080 Betty is played by somebody different, but Ralph is still 250 00:13:57.080 --> 00:13:59.679 played by Jeremy Newsom. I'll just be up front, I 251 00:13:59.720 --> 00:14:02.559 think Harry Newsom is amazing in this movie. It's such 252 00:14:02.559 --> 00:14:06.440 a tiny thing and it makes the most. And then finally, 253 00:14:06.519 --> 00:14:09.080 many of the folks who played the Transylvanians and Rocky 254 00:14:09.080 --> 00:14:13.360 Horror either have small parts, are in the audience of 255 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:19.000 this movie, so there's a lot of familiar faces. Everything 256 00:14:19.080 --> 00:14:22.240 was ready to go, but a near fatal blow came 257 00:14:22.279 --> 00:14:24.759 when the Screen Actors Guild went on strike in America, 258 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:28.799 preventing the filming from commencing. There what's that I know? 259 00:14:29.519 --> 00:14:32.720 It was at that point that production designer Brian Thompson 260 00:14:32.759 --> 00:14:35.879 suggested that if the entire story was reworked to take 261 00:14:35.879 --> 00:14:39.320 place in the TV studio, you could film the entire 262 00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:43.080 thing quickly and cheaply on a soundstage in England where 263 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:47.360 the strike wouldn't apply. So Richard O'Brien quickly wrote a 264 00:14:47.360 --> 00:14:50.559 final draft, which is what became Shock Treatment. And if 265 00:14:50.559 --> 00:14:54.320 you watch the credits, Brian Thompson gets in an additional 266 00:14:54.399 --> 00:14:56.039 ideas by credit. 267 00:14:56.720 --> 00:14:59.840 That's what I wanted to know? What that? That's what 268 00:15:00.080 --> 00:15:00.639 that you would do? 269 00:15:00.759 --> 00:15:03.919 The idea suggested to move the entire thing into the 270 00:15:03.960 --> 00:15:05.919 TV studio, which. 271 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:07.879 That was his additional idea that got him. 272 00:15:08.759 --> 00:15:12.519 Yeah, with the writer credit, it made the movie happen yeah, 273 00:15:12.559 --> 00:15:13.600 I mean, I guess, I. 274 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:16.240 Guess it's we'll talk more. But I mean, I think 275 00:15:16.279 --> 00:15:20.200 one of the things that I love about the Rocky 276 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:23.919 Horror gang is that you can tell how much they 277 00:15:24.000 --> 00:15:29.080 enjoy working together and what spirit these movies have. So 278 00:15:29.200 --> 00:15:32.039 I really think that, like, yeah, they were like, oh, Brian, 279 00:15:32.080 --> 00:15:32.480 what a gread. 280 00:15:32.919 --> 00:15:34.519 You should get credit for credit. 281 00:15:34.600 --> 00:15:39.720 I can believe that giving thing. So so that is 282 00:15:39.759 --> 00:15:45.519 the sort of tangled history of Shock Treatment. So real quick, 283 00:15:45.600 --> 00:15:48.240 what did everybody think? I assumed this was everyone's first 284 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:52.720 time watching Shock Treatment? Yes, and Bob, I know it 285 00:15:52.759 --> 00:15:55.639 was your first time seeing Rocky Horror. You were really 286 00:15:56.080 --> 00:16:00.799 in Rocky Horror parlance. You were a virgin I was. 287 00:16:01.159 --> 00:16:05.679 I was, and Rocky Horror I really loved a lot. 288 00:16:05.720 --> 00:16:10.200 I really enjoyed watching it, and Shock Treatment not as much. 289 00:16:10.679 --> 00:16:14.360 I really like what it's doing. 290 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:21.200 I think you said earlier Michael, before we started recording it, 291 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:23.840 it's a movie that's hard to digest the first time 292 00:16:23.879 --> 00:16:26.279 seeing it. I think that's very much my experience. I 293 00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:28.960 was having a really hard time at first understanding what 294 00:16:29.039 --> 00:16:32.519 was going on and what was happening. But you know, 295 00:16:32.639 --> 00:16:36.759 I definitely love the creativity of it. I love the 296 00:16:36.919 --> 00:16:40.720 like concept of it's flowing in and out of being 297 00:16:40.759 --> 00:16:43.200 a show and being like things that are happening, Like, 298 00:16:43.240 --> 00:16:47.200 I liked that. I like the social commentary. You know, 299 00:16:47.399 --> 00:16:48.480 it's fun and silly. 300 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:49.399 I like that. 301 00:16:49.639 --> 00:16:51.600 So there's a lot that I like about it. It 302 00:16:51.679 --> 00:16:53.919 was a lot to take in the first time seeing it. 303 00:16:54.559 --> 00:16:57.759 Chris, this was the first time I've seen it. 304 00:16:57.799 --> 00:17:00.679 I saw it earlier this week and de liberately did 305 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:03.840 not do additional research before or after. 306 00:17:04.039 --> 00:17:06.160 Actually, I wasn't. 307 00:17:05.920 --> 00:17:08.559 Sure exactly how to wanted to have a pure experience. 308 00:17:08.680 --> 00:17:09.200 Yeah. 309 00:17:09.279 --> 00:17:11.640 I also, this is my first time having Michael as 310 00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:14.720 the host, so I don't know what kinds of questions. 311 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:17.720 To prepare for. Okay, let's just watch the movie and 312 00:17:17.799 --> 00:17:21.119 like that's the that's the assignment. I am very. 313 00:17:21.200 --> 00:17:25.680 Torn about this film. Again, I haven't read about the reception, 314 00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:28.480 but if I had to guess, I would say, for 315 00:17:28.640 --> 00:17:32.799 rocky horror fans, I bet this is very divisive where. 316 00:17:32.599 --> 00:17:34.240 Almost you are correct. 317 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:36.759 Almost half would be like, thank goodness, we get more. 318 00:17:36.839 --> 00:17:39.279 Richard O'Brien, this is exactly more of what I wanted, 319 00:17:39.480 --> 00:17:41.880 and the other half are saying, Richard O'Brien, why did 320 00:17:41.920 --> 00:17:44.759 you do this, like, why couldn't you just leave let 321 00:17:44.799 --> 00:17:47.519 it let's sleeping dogs, lie, Rocky Horror was your opus? 322 00:17:47.599 --> 00:17:49.240 Why do this and like tarnish it? 323 00:17:49.960 --> 00:17:54.880 I think you're pretty spot on. It is really interesting 324 00:17:54.920 --> 00:17:58.640 because Rocky Horror is an R rated show. It's very 325 00:17:58.680 --> 00:18:03.039 you know, it's adult almost every possible way. And this 326 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:08.319 is rated PG. Yeah, Uh it is, right, Uh, it 327 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:11.720 probably is pre PG thirty but but it's it's never 328 00:18:11.759 --> 00:18:15.240 been reclassified as you know anything. But and it. 329 00:18:15.240 --> 00:18:17.680 Technically gets by on PG like by the you know the. 330 00:18:17.799 --> 00:18:21.519 Yeah, there's there's hardly any cursing, there's no there's no nudity, 331 00:18:21.519 --> 00:18:25.880 there's sexuality, right, yeah, no real violence or anything. Yeah, 332 00:18:25.920 --> 00:18:31.000 so it does. However, it's not what we mostly think 333 00:18:31.039 --> 00:18:31.839 of as a PG film. 334 00:18:31.880 --> 00:18:33.079 It's an it's still an adult movie. 335 00:18:33.119 --> 00:18:35.599 It's still a transgressive movie, but not in the way 336 00:18:35.640 --> 00:18:40.119 that Rocky Horror is. I don't think anybody watched Shock 337 00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:42.559 Treatment and went this just changed my life in the 338 00:18:42.559 --> 00:18:45.440 way that I know people have seen Rocky Harton gone 339 00:18:45.640 --> 00:18:48.519 oh this just changed and this has changed my life. Pete, 340 00:18:48.559 --> 00:18:49.880 what did you think is shock Treatment? 341 00:18:50.279 --> 00:18:50.640 Uh? 342 00:18:50.799 --> 00:18:54.440 Yeah, so if you if you'll indulge me, I did 343 00:18:54.440 --> 00:18:57.119 watch Rocky Horror again, because I was like, let me see. 344 00:18:57.039 --> 00:18:59.359 If I don't, I don't know why. 345 00:18:59.440 --> 00:19:02.359 I just I don't prepare myself in the way I 346 00:19:02.440 --> 00:19:06.039 expect I should write. And I had only seen Rocky 347 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:08.960 Horror once before, and it was in the theater with 348 00:19:09.039 --> 00:19:14.119 a you know, people doing the Rocky Horror whatever, and 349 00:19:14.279 --> 00:19:15.720 I did not like it. 350 00:19:15.839 --> 00:19:20.160 Like I in the theater was like I, I just 351 00:19:20.279 --> 00:19:21.039 didn't like it. 352 00:19:21.559 --> 00:19:24.759 I think the people performing it were like doing some 353 00:19:24.839 --> 00:19:27.319 kind of Disney haunted mansion thing where they just like 354 00:19:27.400 --> 00:19:30.079 had no expressions. Maybe that's the way you do it. 355 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:32.480 People were yelling, can't their canned lines. I was like, 356 00:19:32.519 --> 00:19:36.000 I don't get this, man. And watching it earlier this 357 00:19:36.039 --> 00:19:39.000 week or last week or whenever it was just by 358 00:19:39.039 --> 00:19:41.319 myself watching it, I was like, oh, I kind of 359 00:19:41.319 --> 00:19:44.079 really like that. I was like, so I had sort 360 00:19:44.079 --> 00:19:46.720 of the reverse Rocky Horror experience, and I think most 361 00:19:46.759 --> 00:19:49.559 super fans do, which is like I just enjoyed watching 362 00:19:49.559 --> 00:19:52.400 this as a movie just by itself, without all the stuff. 363 00:19:52.680 --> 00:19:56.160 It was also kind of an inverse room reaction, where 364 00:19:56.200 --> 00:19:58.519 like that is only watchable in a room full of 365 00:19:58.519 --> 00:20:01.480 people like shouting at this and is impossible to watch 366 00:20:01.519 --> 00:20:02.079 by itself. 367 00:20:02.319 --> 00:20:05.599 I think that's super understanable, because if you don't know 368 00:20:05.640 --> 00:20:09.720 what the rituals are, you yeah and feel like very 369 00:20:09.759 --> 00:20:10.440 out of place. 370 00:20:10.880 --> 00:20:14.160 Yeah, But being able to watch the movie just as 371 00:20:14.240 --> 00:20:16.079 a movie, I was like, Oh, this is good and 372 00:20:16.119 --> 00:20:18.519 I'm enjoying this a lot more. 373 00:20:19.759 --> 00:20:19.880 So. 374 00:20:19.960 --> 00:20:24.599 Then went into shock treatment, and I guess I also 375 00:20:24.680 --> 00:20:26.759 don't really know what to think about it. Like I 376 00:20:27.640 --> 00:20:31.440 I came away from both movies feeling like, and I 377 00:20:31.440 --> 00:20:33.839 don't know why, it's not just Richard O'Brien, it's it's 378 00:20:34.160 --> 00:20:35.200 Jim sharm is that right? 379 00:20:35.799 --> 00:20:36.319 Yeah? 380 00:20:36.319 --> 00:20:36.720 Thank you? 381 00:20:36.799 --> 00:20:40.440 Coming away feeling like, here is a bunch of people 382 00:20:40.519 --> 00:20:44.000 who just really are having a good time making whatever 383 00:20:44.039 --> 00:20:44.839 it is they're making. 384 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:48.079 And I can't not love that on some level, right. 385 00:20:49.319 --> 00:20:51.000 I just like Richard O'Brien. 386 00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:55.519 He's just my kind of kook, right, And I like 387 00:20:55.559 --> 00:20:57.759 that he's never the main character, He's just he's some 388 00:20:57.960 --> 00:21:04.200 strong minor character. I so it's hard for me not 389 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:06.920 to just separate the experience of watching people just loving 390 00:21:06.920 --> 00:21:10.359 what they're doing from whatever the hell this movie was, 391 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:14.160 which I still am not entirely sure what this movie was. 392 00:21:15.519 --> 00:21:19.519 I felt it sounds like as a lyricist. I thought 393 00:21:19.559 --> 00:21:23.759 some of the lyrics were pretty ingenious. The music is 394 00:21:24.480 --> 00:21:27.640 not my favorite, but like I was like, yeah, like 395 00:21:27.680 --> 00:21:30.680 I really some songs stuck with me and I was like, 396 00:21:30.720 --> 00:21:31.559 oh yeah, that's. 397 00:21:31.400 --> 00:21:32.839 A that's a damn good lyric. 398 00:21:33.400 --> 00:21:36.240 And at the end I had a headcannon, which I 399 00:21:36.240 --> 00:21:38.839 will save till the end because it will also spoilers 400 00:21:38.839 --> 00:21:39.640 on other movies. 401 00:21:41.839 --> 00:21:45.119