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<v Speaker 1>Boston's Bulldozer operates seven days a week. The KUN Report

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<v Speaker 1>weekend edition WRKO the Voice of Boston.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, listen now to President Trump. Yesterday he was in

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<v Speaker 2>the Oval Office when he made his dramatic announcement that

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<v Speaker 2>we are now going to be selling a massive weapons

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<v Speaker 2>package through NATO to Ukraine. Arming now Ukraine, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>they will be armed to the hilt. There is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be some serious fighting now over the next couple

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<v Speaker 2>of months as Russia now pours even more forces along

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<v Speaker 2>a long front line, as they try to push deeper

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<v Speaker 2>and deeper into Ukraine to deliver a decisive victory. And

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<v Speaker 2>we are now going to give Ukraine pretty much the

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<v Speaker 2>ability to strike deep into Russia at will, to knock

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<v Speaker 2>their planes out of the sky and their missiles, and

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<v Speaker 2>to give the Ukrainian the beleaguered Ukrainian forces all of

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<v Speaker 2>the tanks, artillery, ammunition that they need to launch a

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<v Speaker 2>huge counter offensive six one seven two six six sixty

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<v Speaker 2>eight sixty eight. It is very clear that Trump is

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<v Speaker 2>upset about Putin and back and forth phone call after

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<v Speaker 2>phone call in which Trump believes he's been strung along

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<v Speaker 2>by Vladimir Putin, that he's you know, says very nice

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<v Speaker 2>things on the phone. He's diplomatic, he wants peace, and

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<v Speaker 2>yet he says when I get off the phone, suddenly

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<v Speaker 2>I hear he's bombing another city, or bombing another town,

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<v Speaker 2>or his soldiers have captured another village or another strategic position.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen now to Trump saying, you know, I'm tired of

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<v Speaker 2>Putin telling me he wants peace, but in reality it's war,

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<v Speaker 2>war war. Roll cut three, Mike, how did.

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<v Speaker 1>You tell him?

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<v Speaker 3>I speak to him a lot about getting this thing done,

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<v Speaker 3>and I always hang up and say, well, that was

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<v Speaker 3>a nice phone go And then missiles launched into Kieva

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<v Speaker 3>some other city, and I said, it's strange. And after

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<v Speaker 3>that happens three or four times. You say the talk

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't mean anything. My conversations with him are always very pleasant.

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<v Speaker 3>I say, isn't that a very lovely conversation? And then

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<v Speaker 3>the missiles go off. That night, I go home, I

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<v Speaker 3>tell the first lady and I spoke to Vladimir today.

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<v Speaker 3>We had a wonderful conversation. She said, oh, really, another

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<v Speaker 3>city was just hit.

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<v Speaker 2>So he now says he wants to equalize the forces

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<v Speaker 2>on the battlefield and give Ukraine. Now the opportunity to

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<v Speaker 2>blunt this offensive and to really bloody Russia's nose. And

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<v Speaker 2>he believes by doing this it will that, combined with

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<v Speaker 2>the tariffs and the sanctions should they kick in in

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<v Speaker 2>fifty days, that this will break Putin and end this

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<v Speaker 2>war once and for all. Now, final point, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I want to go to the phone lines six one

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<v Speaker 2>seven two, six, six, sixty eight sixty eight is the number.

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<v Speaker 2>The problem with all of this is that there is

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<v Speaker 2>no exit strategy, and no one is seeing this from

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<v Speaker 2>Putin's point of view. And it's not a question of

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<v Speaker 2>moral equivalents or a question of loving Vladimir Putin or

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<v Speaker 2>believing in Vladimir Putin, or agreeing with Vladimir Putin. But

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<v Speaker 2>as any general will tell you worth his or her salt,

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<v Speaker 2>as any wartime leader will tell you with his or

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<v Speaker 2>her salt, you have to get into the mind of

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<v Speaker 2>your enemy. You have to get into the mind of

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<v Speaker 2>the people that you're trying to get a peace deal from.

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<v Speaker 2>And what's in Vladimir Putin's what is driving him, what

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<v Speaker 2>is his calculation in all of this? Putin now clearly

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<v Speaker 2>is going for a decisive, knockout victory on the battlefield.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't want to just grind this out at the

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<v Speaker 2>negotiating table. He wants Ukraine to sue for peace. He

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<v Speaker 2>wants to end this militarily and by doing this get

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<v Speaker 2>everything he wants at a final peace settlement after Ukraine

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<v Speaker 2>waves the white flag. And the problem that Putin has,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm just stating a fact, this is just the

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<v Speaker 2>reality we all have to face, is that they've lost

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<v Speaker 2>over half a million Russian soldiers dead combined over a

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<v Speaker 2>million dead and wounded. This has done tremendous damage to

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<v Speaker 2>the Russian economy, to the Russian people. This has been

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<v Speaker 2>an exhausting three year war. So with this horrific investment

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<v Speaker 2>that he has made in this war, Putin now clearly

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<v Speaker 2>feels he needs to win it. He can't stop, he

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<v Speaker 2>won't stop, He doesn't want to stop, because ultimately he

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<v Speaker 2>now understands that he needs to win this war to

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<v Speaker 2>stay in power, and he needs to stay in power

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<v Speaker 2>in order to stay alive, because anything short of total

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<v Speaker 2>victory at this point will be seen by most Russians

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<v Speaker 2>as a massive failure and a betrayal of the dead

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<v Speaker 2>and of all of the sacrifices that have been made

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<v Speaker 2>so Now that's fine. That doesn't mean, you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>just roll over for somebody. But you have to ask

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<v Speaker 2>yourself if he's willing to go all the way, and

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<v Speaker 2>Putin is clearly willing to go all the way, are

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<v Speaker 2>we willing to go all the way?

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<v Speaker 3>So?

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<v Speaker 2>What if this thing doesn't stop? What if Putin keeps

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<v Speaker 2>going in September, in October, in November? Are we going

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<v Speaker 2>to continue to send arms package after arms package after

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<v Speaker 2>arms package? And if we continue to send defensive weapons

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<v Speaker 2>as we saw a couple months ago where Ukraine fired

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<v Speaker 2>them deep into Russian territory and that triggered a massive,

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<v Speaker 2>overwhelming Russian response, are we going to keep escalating tit

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<v Speaker 2>for tat, tit for tat? What happens if Putin's back

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<v Speaker 2>is against the wall. Do you think he and his

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<v Speaker 2>regime will accept defeat? Do you think the Russian people

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<v Speaker 2>will accept defeat? Remember, Ukraine is on their doorstep. Ukraine

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<v Speaker 2>was part of the Russian Empire for over a thousand years.

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<v Speaker 2>Ukrainians and Russians share a common culture, a common religion,

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<v Speaker 2>a common language, a common heritage. They are in many

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<v Speaker 2>ways Orthodox Slavic Christian brothers. I'm not saying Ukrainians are Russians.

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<v Speaker 2>What I'm saying is they are very similar and they

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<v Speaker 2>have been intertwined for a long part of their mutual histories.

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<v Speaker 2>So we are getting involved in something that is a

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<v Speaker 2>fundamental core interest of Russia, and it's very identity and

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<v Speaker 2>it's very security. They are willing to go all the way,

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<v Speaker 2>including potentially the use of nuclear weapons. Now are we

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<v Speaker 2>willing to risk World War III? I keep asking this,

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<v Speaker 2>and I see these idiots on Fox News. You know

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<v Speaker 2>right away, ah, we are gonna show Putin whose boss really? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>And what if Putin starts to show us whose boss

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<v Speaker 2>would say a limited tactical nuclear strike, and then what

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<v Speaker 2>we respond with a tactical nuclear strike. No one is

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<v Speaker 2>thinking of the endgame. It's easy to start a war.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very hard to get out of a war, as

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<v Speaker 2>both Putin and Zelensky are learning, and as the Russian

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<v Speaker 2>and Ukrainians are learning. So we have to ask ourselves,

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<v Speaker 2>when push comes to shove, is this our business? Is

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<v Speaker 2>this worth us getting involved in a direct war against Russia,

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<v Speaker 2>which has the largest nuclear arsenal in the world. To me,

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<v Speaker 2>the answer is a clear no. It's the answer to

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<v Speaker 2>me as an obvious no which flag flies over eastern

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<v Speaker 2>Ukraine the Donbas, whether it is the Ukrainian blue and

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<v Speaker 2>yellow trident or the Russian red, white and blue Eagle,

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<v Speaker 2>is of no national strategic security interest of the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>And yet here we are potentially risking a world war

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<v Speaker 2>if this continues to escalate over a part of the

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<v Speaker 2>world thousands of miles away that most Americans, including all

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<v Speaker 2>these warmongers on Fox and in Congress led by Lindsey

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<v Speaker 2>Graham and Dick Blumenthal, that fraud who couldn't find Ukraine

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<v Speaker 2>on a map or these territories if you held a

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<v Speaker 2>gun to their head. To President Trump, you campaigned on

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<v Speaker 2>America first. Please, let's get back to America first, not

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<v Speaker 2>Ukraine first. America first.

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