1 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: Welcome back everyone to a new episode of You Were 2 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,679 Wrong with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of the Federalist, 3 00:00:19,719 --> 00:00:24,079 and David Harsani, a senior writer at The Washington Examiner. Well, 4 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,719 a senior writer at the Washington Examiner. Just as a reminder, 5 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:29,079 if you like to email the show, please do so 6 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,120 at radio at the Federalist dot com. We love to 7 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:36,399 hear from you. Exciting week Molly, the inauguration you attended? Yeah, 8 00:00:36,439 --> 00:00:36,960 how was it? 9 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 2: I did? It was great? 10 00:00:38,039 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 3: So, like the whole weekend in VC has been fun. 11 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:45,719 The parties started around Friday and there were lots of 12 00:00:45,759 --> 00:00:51,200 parties all weekend, like a ridiculous number of parties. On 13 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,439 a Saturday night, there were probably like forty major parties. 14 00:00:54,679 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: So find to ask how does that work? Does like 15 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,719 an organization put on the party? Is like a magazine's 16 00:00:59,719 --> 00:01:01,679 put on part of How who puts on the parties? 17 00:01:02,039 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 2: Exactly? 18 00:01:02,719 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 3: All the above, like podcasts or nonprofits or state societies. 19 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,239 So state societies are this thing in DC that used 20 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,280 to be much more prominent. I think where people who 21 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,280 were from a given state would get together to party. 22 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,200 I remember when the Broncos won the Super Bowl in 23 00:01:22,879 --> 00:01:26,439 ninety eight that we watched from the. 24 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 2: Colorado State Society party. 25 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:29,519 Speaker 3: So you're just with a bunch of people who work 26 00:01:29,519 --> 00:01:32,799 in any number of different industries, lots and politics obviously, 27 00:01:33,519 --> 00:01:36,040 and you just share your common love of your home 28 00:01:36,079 --> 00:01:41,239 state and as people who you know. For instance, Spotify 29 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:46,280 had a big presence in town because they really started 30 00:01:46,359 --> 00:01:48,959 as a way to share music and make money off 31 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,519 of people listening to music. But they had this very 32 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:56,000 weird situation happen in twenty twenty four where they also 33 00:01:56,079 --> 00:01:58,280 turned out to be very important for the election, and 34 00:01:58,319 --> 00:02:01,200 it wasn't really what they ever thought they would be, 35 00:02:01,439 --> 00:02:04,560 you know, because I think people think of media that 36 00:02:04,599 --> 00:02:07,239 affects an election being more like daily news media and 37 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,080 not like three hour podcasts, and so I think they 38 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:11,759 were trying to kind of figure out a little bit 39 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,039 more about why they were so popular and how they 40 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,479 could help that side of the business that type of thing. 41 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 2: Does that make sense? 42 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think. Yeah. It's as interesting with Spotify that 43 00:02:20,879 --> 00:02:23,400 they had a party because obviously most people listen to 44 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,919 streaming music, but I've noticed myself like, why am I 45 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,360 going to some other platform to listen to podcasts when 46 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,960 I can just use them where I listened to music, 47 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:35,199 so that's interesting. Was there a party that you liked best. 48 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 3: I liked all the parties, and I can't remember, like 49 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:43,039 some of mine were off the record, so really can't 50 00:02:43,039 --> 00:02:43,479 talk about. 51 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 2: And there I was also doing a lot of TV 52 00:02:47,319 --> 00:02:48,280 and for Fox. 53 00:02:48,319 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 3: It was fun because we had three different special locations 54 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,639 in addition to our normal bureau at Fox, and they 55 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:00,479 were all rooftop or penthouse of different buildings, had these 56 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:04,560 great views of the capital and it's just kind of 57 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:05,919 fun to do that type of thing. 58 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: Foxes is Fox right, Fox is situated perfectly there right. 59 00:03:12,879 --> 00:03:13,039 Speaker 4: Oh. 60 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,879 Speaker 3: I remember this in I think it was twenty seventeen. 61 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,280 That was also really cold, and we had some rooftop 62 00:03:20,319 --> 00:03:23,280 locations there, and I remember Britt Bear was like, we 63 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,599 all realized, we also have a warm, toasty studio with 64 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:29,800 a perfect view of the Capitol, right, Like, we don't 65 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,560 have to be on this rooftop freezing right now. But 66 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,319 it was cold, and particularly I did some coverage from 67 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:43,759 a rooftop right before the inauguration with Harris Faulkner and 68 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:48,199 that was extremely windy and extremely cold, but kind of fun. 69 00:03:48,879 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 2: Sorry. 70 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:50,919 Speaker 3: I know this stuff isn't really important, but it's just 71 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,080 this is like a part of the excitement, you know. 72 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, people have to get a sense of things. It 73 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:55,680 was freezing. 74 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,319 Speaker 3: Oh, I kind of feel like if you're dressed appropriately, 75 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,599 you can handle anything. And I did have my you know, 76 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,120 ury Russian hat and all that. 77 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: So, yeah, you are from Colorado, so you understand these things. 78 00:04:08,319 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 2: But you know that it doesn't get that cold there 79 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:11,039 color I loved it. 80 00:04:11,159 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, the snow, but it's sunny and it melts pretty 81 00:04:13,599 --> 00:04:16,240 quick and it's really not that cold in a weird way. Yeah, 82 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:20,040 I love Colorado. Okay, so you had a good time. 83 00:04:22,639 --> 00:04:24,639 Last question on this is is how does it compare 84 00:04:24,639 --> 00:04:26,879 to other inaugurations? Was it a was it a bigger 85 00:04:26,879 --> 00:04:31,079 spectacle people seemed. I was surprised on TV at least 86 00:04:31,079 --> 00:04:33,000 at how many people went out into the cold to 87 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,759 celebrate this, meaning normal average Trump fans. 88 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 3: So was I mentioning last week that I had to 89 00:04:38,959 --> 00:04:42,319 stand in line for three hours to get tickets to 90 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:44,759 go to inaugurations that my kids could go. And so 91 00:04:45,319 --> 00:04:49,879 when when it got canceled, we were very disappointed because 92 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,639 there are so few opportunities, you know, for the kids 93 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,199 to get to see stuff like this, and so we 94 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,600 decided that we would be down there anyway, and I 95 00:04:58,639 --> 00:05:01,560 was down there working anyway, although I had time off 96 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,000 in between my hits in the morning and my hits 97 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:08,519 at one of the balls, and so we just hung 98 00:05:08,519 --> 00:05:13,199 out with a large group of people at the Heritage Foundation. 99 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,839 And it was so fun to be able to watch 100 00:05:16,879 --> 00:05:21,759 the speech with other people, super crowded, but just like 101 00:05:21,879 --> 00:05:25,160 normal people who were excited about the speech. And it 102 00:05:25,199 --> 00:05:27,439 was also great to see how different people reacted to 103 00:05:27,439 --> 00:05:29,079 different lines in the speech. I thought it was a 104 00:05:29,199 --> 00:05:32,199 very well written speech. I'd like to revisit it, because 105 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,120 you know, it was kind of such an exciting moment 106 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,439 that I want to revisit some of the really good lines. 107 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,439 But I thought it was interesting, and I said something 108 00:05:40,439 --> 00:05:43,879 about this on X yesterday. But when he said that 109 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:48,040 the federal government would recognize that there are only two sexes, 110 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,639 all of the young people in the crowd where I 111 00:05:51,759 --> 00:05:57,120 was just looked like bright eyed and shouted and raised 112 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,600 their hands like they were so excited by this. And 113 00:05:59,639 --> 00:06:04,079 I thought, but I think we under valued how difficult 114 00:06:04,399 --> 00:06:09,399 radical gender ideology has been on children, and how just 115 00:06:09,399 --> 00:06:13,000 like cruel it is to confuse children or for them 116 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,920 to have to not have clear guidance on how to 117 00:06:15,959 --> 00:06:19,399 help friends who are struggling with what's been foisted on 118 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,040 them by radical gender ideology. You know, all that stuff 119 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,000 like it was just a real it felt like a 120 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,000 moment of liberation for them. 121 00:06:26,399 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, those speech was fine. Obviously, you don't when you 122 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,879 watch it on TV, you don't really get the full 123 00:06:33,959 --> 00:06:38,480 sense of the excitement of the people they are. I'm 124 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:42,639 you know, just in general, I don't inaugurations seem too 125 00:06:42,759 --> 00:06:45,360 much like coronations to me to regal in a way, 126 00:06:45,439 --> 00:06:47,920 you know, So they and the kind of hero worship 127 00:06:47,959 --> 00:06:49,720 that goes along with it. And I'm not just talking 128 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,879 about Trump. I think the same thing happened with Obama. 129 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,040 I would say, not with Biden. I never felt like 130 00:06:55,079 --> 00:06:58,079 anyone actually really wanted Biden or like Biden to be president. 131 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,360 But I don't love that stuff. But I thought his 132 00:07:00,399 --> 00:07:04,199 speech was it was good, you know, I thought it 133 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:05,360 was fine. 134 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 3: So I also went to the Commander in Chief ball, 135 00:07:10,879 --> 00:07:13,360 which was the first first ball that he danced at. 136 00:07:13,399 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 2: I don't know if you watched any of that. 137 00:07:14,839 --> 00:07:17,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw some of that, Yeah. 138 00:07:16,839 --> 00:07:18,839 Speaker 3: And I was so glad to be at that ball. 139 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,560 In particular, I think there were three. There were three balls, 140 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:24,480 the Commander in Chief Ball, which is for the military. 141 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,720 There was I think it's called the Liberty Ball, which 142 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,319 was the big one that had all the musical acts, 143 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,240 and then was it Starlight was the third, which was 144 00:07:34,319 --> 00:07:37,360 kind of the big donor ball slash where a lot 145 00:07:37,399 --> 00:07:41,360 of the cabinet type people went. And I liked my 146 00:07:41,519 --> 00:07:44,240 ball because he the people were fantastic. That were all 147 00:07:44,279 --> 00:07:48,600 these like decorated military people but you know, responsible but 148 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,439 having a good time. And it was just like a fun, lighthearted, 149 00:07:52,079 --> 00:07:56,240 almost like less political crowd. But also John Voight was there, 150 00:07:56,319 --> 00:07:59,839 which was very exciting for my crew and kid. 151 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,759 Speaker 2: Raw you know, people like that. 152 00:08:03,639 --> 00:08:06,399 Speaker 3: It was just fun and it was great, like when 153 00:08:06,519 --> 00:08:09,160 President Trump came out and danced and the crowd just 154 00:08:09,279 --> 00:08:10,040 was eating it up. 155 00:08:10,439 --> 00:08:13,759 Speaker 1: I saw Mike Tyson and Jake Paul were there. I 156 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:14,920 think was that the one. 157 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,199 Speaker 3: There they were at I think the Liberty Ball, And yeah, 158 00:08:18,199 --> 00:08:20,319 that was the one which was more like those kinds 159 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:20,759 of people. 160 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: It did seem lighthearted and almost like a relief valve 161 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,120 from the last four years. I don't like to put 162 00:08:31,199 --> 00:08:34,360 too much. I don't think normal people's lives changed that 163 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,240 much because of an election all of a sudden, but 164 00:08:36,639 --> 00:08:41,519 did seem to be this kind of outpouring of relief almost, 165 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,919 And we'll see how it goes. But so that's nice. 166 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:46,759 It's historic to go to any inauguration. 167 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,159 Speaker 2: So, oh, you asked how it compared. 168 00:08:49,639 --> 00:08:54,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember I thought it was really cold during 169 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,840 Barack Obama's second I guess it was. I thought it 170 00:08:56,879 --> 00:08:58,320 was the first, but it was the second that was 171 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,960 very cold and windy. I would say this was kind 172 00:09:02,039 --> 00:09:03,679 of like that one though, in the level and the 173 00:09:03,759 --> 00:09:06,840 level of excitement in the air. Sorry, the first I 174 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,200 should say it was like the first Barack Obama inauguration, 175 00:09:10,399 --> 00:09:13,320 where you know, obviously I'm not a Barack Obama fan, 176 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,200 but you could just sense that all these people who 177 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:18,320 were there felt very optimistic about what was going to 178 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,600 happen in the country, and you know, lots. 179 00:09:20,399 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: Of big change election just like this one, you know. 180 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:27,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then yeah, that's probably the closest similarity I found. 181 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 1: Let's get into some other stuff on his way out. 182 00:09:35,919 --> 00:09:37,559 We still have to talk about Joe Biden. I think 183 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,720 this week maybe this will be the last time. Uh 184 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:48,039 he I think signed the I think his pardons were 185 00:09:48,039 --> 00:09:53,000 the most corrupt in presidential history, I would say, I'm 186 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,639 not a historian. I don't Maybe there were worst pardons 187 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,799 in the early you know, pre Civil War, I don't know. 188 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:02,679 But to me, what made his pardons really awful or that, 189 00:10:02,919 --> 00:10:05,600 you know, And just to lay the groundwork, he pardoned 190 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,279 basically his entire family, all of Biden and his brother, 191 00:10:08,799 --> 00:10:12,279 you know, he had pardon hunter he was. And then 192 00:10:12,399 --> 00:10:16,919 he pardoned General Millie Adam Schiff, who else, Liz Cheney, 193 00:10:17,159 --> 00:10:21,120 there was another one I forget who the problem He 194 00:10:21,279 --> 00:10:24,879 is so special in that he was not just personally corrupt, 195 00:10:24,919 --> 00:10:27,559 he also corrupted the republic, you know what I mean, 196 00:10:27,639 --> 00:10:30,399 Like the most presidents are either just personally corrupt or 197 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:34,360 ideologically terrible for us, but Biden, I think, did both. 198 00:10:34,399 --> 00:10:38,879 And considering what affeckless like ineffective person he was, he 199 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,600 leaves behind a disaster. So I just quickly wanted to say, 200 00:10:42,879 --> 00:10:46,200 not about the personal corruption, because I think that that's horrible, 201 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:51,039 but by oh yeah, it was Fauci. So by pardoning Fauci, 202 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:57,440 by pardoning Milli, he is essentially set up a precedent 203 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,840 that allows for corruption within the government rampantly. If this, 204 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:07,120 it becomes tradition to just pardon all the people, all 205 00:11:07,159 --> 00:11:12,440 these partisans in your government. They will just act with impunity. 206 00:11:12,519 --> 00:11:14,440 They will know that they can be pardoned and nothing 207 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,320 they do will matter. I mean, we deserve to know 208 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:20,200 what Faouchi did. We deserve to look into what Milli did. Why. 209 00:11:20,399 --> 00:11:24,240 I think I'm sorry I acted, you know, in as 210 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,440 you know, in a seditious way, by calling the Chinese 211 00:11:26,519 --> 00:11:29,080 government communists and letting them know that he would give 212 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,879 them a heads up if the president of the United 213 00:11:31,919 --> 00:11:34,720 States decided to do something militarily. Anyway. I just think 214 00:11:34,799 --> 00:11:37,159 they were so corrupt and so awful. I don't know 215 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:38,240 if you agree with that, but. 216 00:11:38,919 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 3: So I have so many mixed feelings about it. I 217 00:11:41,879 --> 00:11:45,279 don't disagree with anything you said. But you know, first off, 218 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:49,159 I don't think being pardoned for your crimes against the 219 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:54,240 country by a corrupt president means that people can't find 220 00:11:54,279 --> 00:11:57,600 out the truth about what you did. And in some ways, 221 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:03,759 truth is as important, maybe even more important, than the 222 00:12:03,799 --> 00:12:07,919 actual punishment. So understanding what Fauchi did. You know his 223 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,399 pardon goes back to when he first started working on 224 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,279 gain of function stuff. But I think people just kind 225 00:12:13,279 --> 00:12:15,320 of need to know about gain of function. I mean, 226 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,039 this is one of the things that Barack Obama was 227 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:21,960 actually good on banning, the banning gain and function research, 228 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,000 which he thought might lead to I don't know, a 229 00:12:24,039 --> 00:12:28,440 global pandemic being unleashed on the world and killing untold 230 00:12:28,519 --> 00:12:32,240 numbers of people. But just finding out the truth about 231 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:36,440 it and about how Fauchi worked around that Barack Obama 232 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:41,159 executive order and who was funded and why and what 233 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:45,240 they did with it, that's still important and what worries me. 234 00:12:45,519 --> 00:12:46,639 To take it back to what you were just saying 235 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:48,840 about the coronation of the president. I was just thinking 236 00:12:48,879 --> 00:12:52,000 how the Article one branch is Congress, that really should 237 00:12:52,039 --> 00:12:56,080 be our most important branch, and they have so willfully 238 00:12:56,200 --> 00:13:00,240 given up all their authority to the executive branch that now, well, 239 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,600 it is very important, more important than it should be 240 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,960 who is president. They have more ability to change policy 241 00:13:08,159 --> 00:13:11,879 and the direction of the country than they should. And 242 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,480 it's not a good thing. But I wish Congress were 243 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:19,440 strong enough to and cared enough about the people to 244 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,679 dig into these things anyway, or maybe even the Department 245 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,440 of Justice could still look into these things, even knowing 246 00:13:26,919 --> 00:13:29,000 that there will be no accountability for it. 247 00:13:29,799 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 2: With Fauci and others. 248 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 3: So there's that issue truth being very important on Fauci, 249 00:13:36,919 --> 00:13:41,679 Millie and what Liz Cheney and her friends did as 250 00:13:41,759 --> 00:13:45,799 part of their J six inquisition. The one good thing 251 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,080 I keep thinking about this, the Supreme Court has held 252 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,679 that acceptance of a pardon is an admission of guilt 253 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,240 for your crimes. We don't really know exactly all the 254 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:58,039 crimes that Liz Cheney is pardoned of, you know, such 255 00:13:58,039 --> 00:14:02,360 an extensive pardon, or you know, all the crimes that 256 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,440 Anthony Fauci is guilty of. But he you know, by 257 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,240 accepting the pardon, you are accepting that you are that 258 00:14:07,279 --> 00:14:08,600 you are guilty of these crimes. 259 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a Fifth Amendment. It's not a case 260 00:14:10,639 --> 00:14:13,080 of the Fifth Amendment. This is different. I forgot what 261 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:17,159 the Supreme Court decision that you know that laid out 262 00:14:17,159 --> 00:14:19,840 that you're accepting guilt was, but I don't remember. 263 00:14:19,879 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 3: It's verdict, but I don't I should reread it. I 264 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,360 think the guy refused to pardon on the grounds that 265 00:14:24,399 --> 00:14:26,919 he wanted to retain his Fifth Amendment rights, and that's 266 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:27,720 what this was about. 267 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 2: And so. 268 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 3: And so by accepting it, they lose that right against 269 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:38,600 self incrimination because they are still. 270 00:14:40,039 --> 00:14:43,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree about this. By the way, finding 271 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,720 out the truth is far more important what Fauci. Fauci 272 00:14:46,879 --> 00:14:51,559 wasn't the decider in the end to to basically blanket 273 00:14:51,639 --> 00:14:55,039 us in authoritarianism more worse than anything since the Civil War. 274 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,840 But I would say that, you know, he's a big 275 00:14:57,840 --> 00:14:59,639 part of that, and we need to know how it happened, 276 00:14:59,679 --> 00:15:05,000 why people listen to him. He participated in censoring legitimate 277 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,480 opposition voices. These things all matter. My point is, I 278 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:13,080 think a sense a precedent where you know, not Donald Trump, whoever, 279 00:15:13,279 --> 00:15:15,879 you know, has some sidekick in the government who's just 280 00:15:15,919 --> 00:15:18,200 abusing his power, and he knows that the President's just 281 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,279 gonna end up partying giving him a blanket pardon for 282 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,039 ten years. I mean, these are blanket pardons I believe 283 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:27,720 for Milly and Fauci, going back to twenty fourteen, especially Millie, 284 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:31,039 who I think is a really devious character in our government. 285 00:15:31,279 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 3: So I have been talking to a lot of military 286 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,759 people about this, and they really think that one was 287 00:15:35,919 --> 00:15:40,120 very bad, because so important for generals not to be political, 288 00:15:40,279 --> 00:15:43,919 and he just destroyed that whole thing. 289 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:45,679 Speaker 2: I want to read what one of them said. 290 00:15:46,559 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: You know, of course he has been framed as a 291 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,879 and propped up as a hero of the left, you know, 292 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,919 for stopping Donald Trump from starting World War three, which 293 00:15:55,919 --> 00:15:58,559 he never would have done in my opinion. In fact, 294 00:15:58,919 --> 00:16:01,440 Trump has been, or at least during his first term, 295 00:16:01,519 --> 00:16:04,039 was far more judicious with the use of military power, 296 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,559 I would say, than presidents that came before him. 297 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:11,159 Speaker 3: So one of my friends writes, this is disgraceful, just disgraceful. 298 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:15,559 Milly is guilty of sedition that must be punished. Joe 299 00:16:15,759 --> 00:16:19,159 never underestimate Biden has politicized the chain of command at 300 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:23,559 the highest level that deeply undermines civil military relations and 301 00:16:23,639 --> 00:16:27,039 the non partisan nature of military hierarchy. If Milly had 302 00:16:27,039 --> 00:16:29,440 two brain cells, he'd know that and refuse a pardon 303 00:16:29,559 --> 00:16:29,759 like this. 304 00:16:29,919 --> 00:16:30,879 Speaker 2: It's just shameful. 305 00:16:33,879 --> 00:16:35,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. 306 00:16:39,559 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 5: Not only does Trump need an eraser, he needs a 307 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,960 lot of them. The watched Out on Wall Street podcast 308 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,919 with Chris Markowski. Every day, Chris helps unpack the connection 309 00:16:48,039 --> 00:16:49,919 between politics and the economy and how it. 310 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 4: Affects your wallet. From banning gas water heaters and banning 311 00:16:53,279 --> 00:16:57,200 areas for drilling oil, Biden's claims for a smooth transition 312 00:16:57,279 --> 00:17:01,840 where nonsensical Trump needs to start scratch. Whether it's happening 313 00:17:01,879 --> 00:17:04,400 in DC or down on Wall Street, it's affecting you financially. 314 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: Be informed. 315 00:17:05,079 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 5: Check out the Watchdot on Wall Street podcast with christ 316 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:10,279 Markowski on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. 317 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: So I forgot who was someone on Twitter? I'm sorry, 318 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:23,559 I'm forgetting who it was said it would be nice 319 00:17:23,599 --> 00:17:27,240 and probably supported by most Americans, a constitutional amendment that 320 00:17:27,279 --> 00:17:31,119 limited pardons from the you know, election before you know, 321 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:35,720 after election day to inauguration day of the next president. 322 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,079 I don't know how much that would stop this from happening, 323 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:40,839 but I do think if you think your party is 324 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:42,599 going to win, you don't do this. If he had 325 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,519 done this before the election, it would have been terrible 326 00:17:44,559 --> 00:17:45,559 for Democrats, right. 327 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:51,039 Speaker 3: I actually don't think such an amendment is necessary. It's 328 00:17:51,079 --> 00:17:53,839 a way like what you're what. The real problem is 329 00:17:53,839 --> 00:17:57,240 is corruption in DC, the size of the government, the 330 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:01,319 quality of the people we're electing and making up a 331 00:18:01,319 --> 00:18:04,240 new rule. It would just somehow be circumvented in some 332 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:07,079 way or I don't know it just I agree with 333 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,759 the problem is the people, not the constraints. 334 00:18:10,799 --> 00:18:12,839 Speaker 1: I think yes, I mean, I think the founders vastly 335 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:18,279 overestimated the moral character of future presidents, right, and so 336 00:18:18,319 --> 00:18:20,160 that's a problem. Yeah, I agree, we should have liked 337 00:18:20,279 --> 00:18:20,839 better people. 338 00:18:21,599 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 3: I want to say one more thing about the pardons 339 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,799 of Liz Cheney for her crimes against the country and 340 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:32,519 other people. I have such little regard for Republicans in 341 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,599 their ability, their their intelligence, and their ability and their 342 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:41,599 discipline to actually hold people accountable for their crimes that, 343 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:47,200 in a little way, I think this short This was 344 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,680 a shortcut to everybody recognizing that Liz Cheney and other 345 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,839 people were guilty of crimes against the country. Mark Nellie 346 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,720 is guilty of crimes against the country. Anthony Fauci is 347 00:18:56,759 --> 00:19:00,079 guilty of crimes against the country. And having Joe if 348 00:19:00,079 --> 00:19:03,680 i'dn pardon them for their crimes against the country was 349 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,880 like a really efficient way to get there. And given 350 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:08,519 that a lot of these trials would have to be 351 00:19:08,599 --> 00:19:11,599 held in a totally corrupt city of Washington, DC that 352 00:19:11,759 --> 00:19:16,160 views its job as convicting Republicans and not convicting democrats 353 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,720 of crimes, it's almost like the most efficient way to 354 00:19:19,759 --> 00:19:21,599 get there. Does that make sense? 355 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, And actually, thanks for reminding me about this. These 356 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,680 pardons are also an admission. It can be one of 357 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:32,200 two things. One that they're guilty of something, and that 358 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,359 you believe they're guilty of something, or something that we 359 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:39,640 were told can never happen, the politicization of the Justice Department, 360 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:43,920 the weaponization of the entire bureaucracy of the government. Of course, 361 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,680 that can happen and did happen, And this admits that 362 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,079 that can happen. Now I'm not saying that Donald Trump 363 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:50,839 would do that as well. I don't know what he's 364 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,000 going to do, but I do know that they did it, 365 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,160 and they did it to a lot of innocent people 366 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,200 who have, as I've said before, have no way to 367 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,960 fight back. Oh, you're admitting one or the other, and 368 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:04,640 or or both. Maybe I don't know. 369 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 3: Well, let me say Liz Cheney has said that it's 370 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:11,759 like a vicious, despicable, impeachable lie to say that you 371 00:20:11,799 --> 00:20:15,839 don't believe that the Department of Justice is beyond approach. 372 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,440 So she already has told us that she's taking the 373 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,480 side of saying she's guilty of crimes against the country. 374 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,839 But I totally agree with you that this is one 375 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,920 or both of these things, and that's not good. It's 376 00:20:30,279 --> 00:20:32,839 kind of reminding me of how when Jack Smith, in 377 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:41,759 his obsessive desire to put Donald Trump in prison, quickly 378 00:20:41,799 --> 00:20:44,000 like rushes everything and it goes to the Supreme Court, 379 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:48,640 and the end result is that they greatly clarify or expand, 380 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,319 depending on how you look at it, executive power in 381 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,480 a way that very much. You know, we had this 382 00:20:54,519 --> 00:20:56,720 kind of hidden area of like what exactly can the 383 00:20:56,759 --> 00:20:58,599 president do with the Department of Justice, and it was 384 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,839 kind of a debatable issue, and the Supreme Court is like, well, no, 385 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,359 the president is obviously in charge of his agencies. And 386 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:10,960 it was this huge and massive increase. What Democrats did 387 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:16,119 through their widespread and coordinated and nationwide lawfare campaign has 388 00:21:16,279 --> 00:21:21,920 so many more bad results than just the prosecution of 389 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,039 their political opponents. It is indeed the very destruction of 390 00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:26,960 the rule of law. And I pray that we can 391 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:27,720 come back from that. 392 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:32,839 Speaker 1: But it's hard, Yeah, it is hard. Just as you 393 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,440 were speaking, I was thinking, how many things, how many 394 00:21:35,519 --> 00:21:37,359 of the bad things that are happening go back to 395 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,079 the Obama administration. I'm thinking about Eric Holder and how 396 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,880 he said he was the wingman of Obama and use 397 00:21:43,319 --> 00:21:47,960 the Justice Department in a despicably partisan manner. You know, 398 00:21:48,799 --> 00:21:52,079 you remember, like if you criticize the law enforcement or 399 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:55,200 the FBI, you were called like a traitor by Mourning Joe. 400 00:21:55,279 --> 00:21:57,240 You know, you were not allowed to do it. And 401 00:21:57,279 --> 00:21:59,079 all of a sudden, I we're saying that they can 402 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,240 just on a single day, turn the whole thing around 403 00:22:02,279 --> 00:22:03,279 and go after your path. 404 00:22:03,599 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 3: My favorite thing is when they say the process is 405 00:22:06,039 --> 00:22:08,880 its own form of punishment. And so even though we 406 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,640 think that Liz Cheney would not be found guilty of 407 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,519 her crimes against America or whatever, the whole process of 408 00:22:14,559 --> 00:22:17,400 going through that is such a horrific punishment. And it's like, 409 00:22:17,759 --> 00:22:20,640 oh it is. It is good to know. 410 00:22:22,519 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 1: I got so mad reading Fauci. I wish I could 411 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,599 have the exact quote, but he said something like that 412 00:22:27,839 --> 00:22:30,680 having this hanging over our head, you know, is just 413 00:22:30,799 --> 00:22:33,640 this huge punishment for us. I'll tell you, It's not 414 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,000 a worse punishment than people couldn't see their loved ones buried, 415 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,400 you know, or go to church, or the kids who 416 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:44,799 missed school and had their lives basically sometimes not destroyed. 417 00:22:44,799 --> 00:22:47,519 But you know, heard in a serious way, he's just 418 00:22:47,559 --> 00:22:49,799 such a despicable character in America. And he said, like 419 00:22:49,839 --> 00:22:51,119 I don't know if he'd go to jail. I don't 420 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,000 know what if he'd you know, if what he did 421 00:22:53,319 --> 00:22:55,720 was criminal, But I do want to know what he did. 422 00:22:56,079 --> 00:22:57,720 I mean, I think it's corrupt. I think it was 423 00:22:57,799 --> 00:23:01,519 one of the terrible moments in recent American history. 424 00:23:02,599 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 3: AnyWho, Uh, yeah, Okay, So we talked about bid pardons. 425 00:23:07,799 --> 00:23:11,799 What about President Trump's pardons. 426 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,559 Speaker 1: I don't listen. I don't like blanket pardons just for 427 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,759 everyone who participated in something, because in a sense, tells 428 00:23:19,799 --> 00:23:23,160 me that you're saying what happened was fine. I'm talking 429 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,759 about January sixth. I do think many of those people, 430 00:23:25,799 --> 00:23:27,920 from what I read I am not an expert on it, 431 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:32,720 were the victims of political prosecutions. You know what I 432 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,480 mean that that the country was trying to make an 433 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,799 example of them in a way. And part of that 434 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,039 is political as well, in the sense that you're trying 435 00:23:40,079 --> 00:23:44,039 to make October sixth the worst day in American history, 436 00:23:44,079 --> 00:23:46,440 when I think it was just a political riot and 437 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,559 many of the people there did nothing wrong. But you know, 438 00:23:50,599 --> 00:23:53,319 people participated in any kind of violence. I you know, 439 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,519 I just I think by just the blanket pardon, you're 440 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,920 you're saying that everyone acted the same there, and I 441 00:24:00,079 --> 00:24:02,160 you know, they didn't, and that everyone was a victim 442 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,400 of political prosecution, and doesn't seem to me that every 443 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,279 single person was. So I don't know, that's how I 444 00:24:08,279 --> 00:24:10,720 feel about it. I don't you know, democrats deserve it 445 00:24:10,759 --> 00:24:12,039 in a sense, but I don't know. 446 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,599 Speaker 3: I was talking with Mark about this this morning and 447 00:24:16,799 --> 00:24:19,359 we were just kind of discussing all those things you're 448 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,960 talking about right now, and I think what happened at 449 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:27,519 first on January sixth, when people saw what happened, they 450 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,240 thought that people who broke windows or were violent that 451 00:24:31,279 --> 00:24:33,640 they should have, you know, that they should be held 452 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,799 accountable for it, that they should be prosecuted. And so 453 00:24:36,319 --> 00:24:38,359 you saw just sort of wide on the left, you 454 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,680 had people being like, this one instance of violence is 455 00:24:41,799 --> 00:24:45,240 worse than the four billion instances of violence that we 456 00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:48,000 saw earlier in the previous year, you know, and that 457 00:24:48,079 --> 00:24:49,640 was sort of just a very political thing. But on 458 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,839 the right you had people say, well, you know, you 459 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,920 shouldn't riot and you shouldn't participate in anything violent or 460 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,440 break a window or whatever, so yeah, you should be 461 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,839 held accountable. And that was that was kind of the 462 00:25:00,839 --> 00:25:02,799 posture for a lot of people for a long time, 463 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:10,720 and then what they saw was fifteen hundred people prosecuted 464 00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:14,559 in a way that was completely at odds with what 465 00:25:14,599 --> 00:25:19,680 they saw during the summer of violence. So in twenty twenty, 466 00:25:19,759 --> 00:25:27,519 for instance, Portland rioters besieged the it was the Marco 467 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:33,720 Hatfield Federal Court building, So definitely jurisdiction of DOJ, right, 468 00:25:33,839 --> 00:25:37,400 you know, or it's something that they could have looked into. 469 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,759 And there were people injured, and there were there was arson. 470 00:25:40,839 --> 00:25:42,880 You know, you had the whole summer of violence of 471 00:25:44,079 --> 00:25:47,839 dozens of people being killed and cities being burned and 472 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:49,880 just all the horrific stuff. And I believe the DOJ 473 00:25:50,039 --> 00:25:52,880 said it was just really hard to prosecute because a 474 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,559 lot of these things took place at night. 475 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,880 Speaker 2: Do you remember that ye hard to process. 476 00:25:59,079 --> 00:26:01,279 Speaker 3: And then when it comes to six, they're like, we 477 00:26:01,839 --> 00:26:04,799 got this grandma because we geo fenced her phone and 478 00:26:04,839 --> 00:26:07,279 we found that she was within like four feet of 479 00:26:07,319 --> 00:26:08,960 the opening of a building. 480 00:26:08,599 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 2: And that's a violation of such and such. 481 00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 3: Or you take what was done by hundreds or maybe 482 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:19,400 even thousands of people to disrupt an official constitutional. 483 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,880 Speaker 2: Proceeding, which is the. 484 00:26:20,839 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 3: Confirmation of a Supreme Court Justice during the Kavanaugh stuff, right, 485 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:29,240 people getting arrested, Senators actually conspiring with left wing groups 486 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,960 to bring protesters in to disrupt the proceedings and to 487 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,920 get arrested to slow them down, to slow down a 488 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:41,400 constitutional proceeding. You had people up to the moment of 489 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,839 disrupting the proceedings at the final vote from the Senate 490 00:26:44,839 --> 00:26:49,759 gallery being given at most a fifty dollars ticket, okay. 491 00:26:50,079 --> 00:26:51,880 And then you see what happens to the j six ers. 492 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,279 Some of them are welcomed inside and then spend four 493 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,640 years in prison, right, And so all of a sudden, 494 00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,759 this perspective of people goes from being you know, of 495 00:26:59,839 --> 00:27:01,680 course you should hold peop accountable, to being. 496 00:27:01,559 --> 00:27:03,799 Speaker 2: Like, holy bleep, what is. 497 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,839 Speaker 3: Going on here? The Department of Justice is insane. You 498 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,279 also have them using the you know, obscure provision of 499 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,480 the Starbine z Oxley thing to go after people. The 500 00:27:13,519 --> 00:27:16,640 Supreme Court says, obviously that's not something you can do, 501 00:27:17,279 --> 00:27:19,440 which affected hundreds of these people. 502 00:27:19,519 --> 00:27:20,599 Speaker 2: And you have them. 503 00:27:20,519 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 3: Using strong arm tactics, raids in the middle of the night, 504 00:27:23,319 --> 00:27:26,839 really embarrassing home raids, you know, seizures of things like 505 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,400 holding people in pre trial detention for four years, like 506 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,200 all sorts of horrific things where you're like, this seems 507 00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:36,720 like what the worst of other countries do. And so 508 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,200 when people say like, oh, well, you know, people who 509 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,720 hurt cops versus people who wandered in you know stuff, 510 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,119 people started viewing it less as about what the j 511 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:50,880 six protesters and or rioters did and completely about the 512 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,000 DOJ being corrupt. And so that's where like the blanket 513 00:27:54,039 --> 00:27:57,480 refers to the DOJ's behavior. It doesn't mean that people 514 00:27:57,559 --> 00:28:00,079 say I think it's okay to hurt a cop. I 515 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,440 think it's okay to break a window. People still don't 516 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,400 think those things are okay, and they do think that 517 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,599 the time these people served should have been served. 518 00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 2: For that, you know what I mean. 519 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,759 Speaker 3: But the pardon is about like, your witch hunt will end. 520 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,279 Your attempt to like conspire against people's free speech rights 521 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,400 ends today. And so I think that's why you're seeing 522 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:26,480 people be so positive about the end of this period 523 00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:26,960 of time. 524 00:28:28,279 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 1: Let me just con see that the hypocrisy is real. 525 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,759 It's systemic. I think on the left at this point 526 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,000 happens not just on the federal level, but on the 527 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,160 state level, like in New York City where you know, 528 00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:41,839 Columbia students get off with a warning, you know, and 529 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:46,039 others wouldn't. But I think it's fair. I think you're 530 00:28:46,799 --> 00:28:48,759 that's how you view it, and it's idealistic, and I 531 00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:51,279 think many people view it that way, but not all people. 532 00:28:51,319 --> 00:28:55,839 I think some people treat January sixth, you know, writers 533 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,000 real the ones that deserve punishment as heroes. But my 534 00:28:59,119 --> 00:29:03,240 real problem is just feel and see this corrosion of 535 00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:06,160 rule of law, you know, where it's tit for tag constantly. 536 00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:09,079 I worry about it, you know, I just worry about it. 537 00:29:09,119 --> 00:29:11,279 So I'm not saying that I'm up in arms about 538 00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:13,680 the blanket JA sixth thing. I get why it happened. 539 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,240 I understand your perspective and what you said, but I 540 00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:19,039 do worry about stuff like that. I don't think the 541 00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:21,920 part and power was meant for that kind of you know, 542 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:22,880 blanket immunity. 543 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,119 Speaker 2: So I was telling Mark this too. 544 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,039 Speaker 3: That to me, it's like if you had a nationwide 545 00:29:29,119 --> 00:29:33,039 speed limit of fifty miles per hour, but you had 546 00:29:33,079 --> 00:29:36,839 people going like ninety miles an hour routinely and causing 547 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,720 car wrecks and killing people in car wrecks and just 548 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:46,720 creating horrific driving conditions, and throughout the country people said 549 00:29:46,759 --> 00:29:49,559 that's so. The prosecutors were like, nothing to see here, 550 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,119 let's not worry about it. And then all the people 551 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,000 who were following the law for years go like. 552 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 2: Fifty, What did I say the speed limit was? 553 00:30:01,079 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 3: You go fifty one in a fifty, And the complete 554 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,960 power of every law enforcement agency comes and says, you 555 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,839 guys should die in jail for what you've done. And 556 00:30:14,359 --> 00:30:17,119 it's not that the people didn't violate the speed limit, 557 00:30:17,319 --> 00:30:21,720 they did, but the context in which that was happening. 558 00:30:21,839 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: Like what is the law? 559 00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:25,079 Speaker 3: Is the law what the speed limit was, or is 560 00:30:25,079 --> 00:30:28,119 the law how it's enforced? And so after a year 561 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:32,359 of letting people try to set fire to the White House, 562 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:38,079 force the President into an underground bunker Injure, scores of 563 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,480 part police and other police throwing bricks at the White House, 564 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,079 trying to take over a federal courthouse, burning police precincts 565 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:50,079 to the ground, burning buildings with people in them, and 566 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,720 killing people that way, and that was all treated as 567 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:53,920 just not really that. 568 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:54,759 Speaker 2: Big of a deal. 569 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 3: And then when you have the troubled twenty twenty election 570 00:30:59,799 --> 00:31:03,160 and censorship that prevents people from being able to talk 571 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,960 about it, and then you know, a three hour out 572 00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:10,240 of hand protest at the Capitol, and that's the thing 573 00:31:10,319 --> 00:31:12,400 that everybody decides is the worst moment in history. 574 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,519 Speaker 2: It's like, what is the law? Then it seemed like the. 575 00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:19,119 Speaker 3: Law wasn't about you can't hurt cops, because we just 576 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,480 had a summer built around the idea that cops needed 577 00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:23,279 to be killed. 578 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,279 Speaker 2: All cops are bastards and whatever, all those like kill 579 00:31:26,319 --> 00:31:26,759 the cops. 580 00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 3: Things were like you had major corporations agreeing with this 581 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,680 and saying that they would reorder their entire way of 582 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,079 doing business to bow down to the people who said 583 00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:42,359 that cops should be killed. And then you have a 584 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,720 protest that is very poorly handled, by the way, by 585 00:31:45,759 --> 00:31:48,759 the cops themselves, not through necessarily their fault, but like 586 00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:52,559 they did not use their deterrence methods that they normally used. 587 00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:56,400 They were understaffed, willfully understaffed by Nancy Pelosi, by the way, 588 00:31:56,559 --> 00:32:00,000 that was a choice she made, a refusal to allow 589 00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:02,839 protection of the building. And then they start like throwing 590 00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:07,559 you know what do it come like the smoke bombs 591 00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:09,880 into the crowd and pelletts into the crowd, and it's 592 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,279 very agitating and so it's like everything breaks out, breaks 593 00:32:13,319 --> 00:32:16,640 down civil society and law in order to break down. 594 00:32:17,359 --> 00:32:21,880 And then that's the thing that the people who've quietly 595 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,920 put up with all of these like horrific things for 596 00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:27,240 a year, then you throw the book at them. 597 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 2: It's it's crazy making you know what I mean? 598 00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: No, I agree. You know, prosecutors have some discretion. You're 599 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,799 talking about the ninety and fifty to fifty mile per 600 00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:40,920 hour thing, So prosecutors have discretion. But if prosecutors discretion 601 00:32:41,079 --> 00:32:46,880 is wholly driven by partisan you know, I you know, goals, 602 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,519 I would say, to make one type of people look 603 00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:52,480 bad and the other. Okay, yeah, that's a big problem. 604 00:32:52,519 --> 00:32:55,400 And I agree it's a big problem my own. I 605 00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:59,160 just this is a bigger conversation. I just think executive 606 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:00,880 power has gotten out of and I feel like we 607 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,960 don't even have a Congress anymore, Like we're run by presidents. 608 00:33:04,359 --> 00:33:06,319 That's bad for the stability of the country. It's also 609 00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:09,599 not how the founder's vision the country being run, you know. 610 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,200 And sometimes people laugh, not laugh, and maybe mock me 611 00:33:12,279 --> 00:33:14,599 for being idealistic about a process and so on, But 612 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,359 this is why we have process. Like you're just talking 613 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,480 about the justice system we've processed because we're not supposed 614 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:25,160 to be politicized these things. But I totally, I'm very 615 00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:27,440 it was not a coup. It was a political riot. 616 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,000 People are like, I saw what's his name, Swawell say 617 00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:33,920 that this was the word. No event ever have more 618 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,319 cops been killed. First of all, no cops were killed 619 00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:40,519 on January sixth in twenty fifteen. I think it was 620 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,200 a BLM fan killed five cops in Dallas. That was worse, 621 00:33:44,359 --> 00:33:47,160 you know, we don't do most people even remember that happened. No, 622 00:33:47,799 --> 00:33:49,279 you know, and then you have, of course all those 623 00:33:49,359 --> 00:33:51,960 riots and also, by the way, nine to eleven hurt 624 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:57,359 more cops than any event in US history. So anyway, 625 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,480 so I understand where you come from. I'm sympathetic. I 626 00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:04,759 just think that when you're the president, you know, you 627 00:34:04,759 --> 00:34:07,200 should make sure that you're not saying it's okay. And 628 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,239 he never said it's okay. Even on that day he 629 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,719 said be peaceful. Get I get that. But anyway that 630 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,440 you asked me, so that was my possess. 631 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:20,519 Speaker 3: I'm actually curious what you think about the Silk Road guy. 632 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: I I don't know. I honestly, I had not been 633 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,519 following that story. It feels like maybe he shouldn't. What 634 00:34:29,559 --> 00:34:31,519 do you think, Let me first get your opinion. 635 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,039 Speaker 3: I don't know enough to actually comment. So it's Ross 636 00:34:34,039 --> 00:34:35,960 Olbricht is his name. It's been a big cause of 637 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,159 libertarians that he was also over prosecuted by a vindictive 638 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:44,480 judge who did not handle the trial correctly. So this 639 00:34:44,559 --> 00:34:48,639 guy set up a true free market called the Silk 640 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:53,800 Road where there was no regulation, no government oversight, and 641 00:34:54,119 --> 00:34:56,679 because of that a lot of bad things were traded 642 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:57,119 on there. 643 00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,760 Speaker 1: I don't know enough about it either. I feel like 644 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,000 I would love to see if real free market like 645 00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:05,039 that exists, but I don't really know what laws. You know, 646 00:35:05,519 --> 00:35:07,039 I don't know enough about it. 647 00:35:07,519 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 2: So this is another one of those things. 648 00:35:09,039 --> 00:35:13,039 Speaker 3: Because drugs and sex were traded on this site, and 649 00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:16,039 you know, drugs kill people and are harmful. 650 00:35:17,199 --> 00:35:17,519 Speaker 2: People. 651 00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:21,199 Speaker 3: I think thought there should have been some punishment for him. Maybe, 652 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,079 I mean not libertarians. They thought there should be no 653 00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:27,599 punishment for this, obviously, but the sentence he got was 654 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,320 two life sentences plus and he was a young. 655 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 1: Guy who like sentences, Oh my lord. 656 00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:40,559 Speaker 3: And so people I respect and read like Jeffrey Tucker, 657 00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:45,239 definitely we're advocating for his pardon or commutation of his sentence, 658 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,440 and his mother had made a really big, like long 659 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:49,840 standing campaign. 660 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,559 Speaker 2: And he did seem to be maturing in prison. 661 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,639 Speaker 3: You know, who knows how much of that is an act, 662 00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:57,199 But I don't know what I think about it. 663 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:06,639 Speaker 1: Actually, remember Molly, when people were wondering if the media 664 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,920 had come to their senses after the election, where they 665 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,880 were legacy media well, where no one listened to them 666 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:19,440 about how Trump was hitler, and all the scare mongering 667 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:24,039 and all the hit pieces kind of failed. It seems 668 00:36:24,039 --> 00:36:26,519 to me like they didn't learn a lesson. I think 669 00:36:26,559 --> 00:36:29,519 they're back to the same exact stuff they were doing 670 00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:31,119 twenty sixteen onward. 671 00:36:32,039 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 3: I don't remember people thinking that they had learned anything. 672 00:36:35,079 --> 00:36:38,760 I do remember people thinking that the power of the 673 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:45,039 corporate media was greatly diminished, and that people just are 674 00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:47,159 so sick of the way that they do stories that 675 00:36:47,199 --> 00:36:47,519 they just. 676 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,159 Speaker 2: Don't trust them at all. 677 00:36:49,199 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 3: And I think that has continued to be the case, 678 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,320 although they still have way, way, way too much power. 679 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's always going to be a large number of 680 00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:03,320 people who just like to hear certain things and don't 681 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,559 care about the truth. I think that's human nature. To 682 00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:10,400 seek out places tell you, you know, that frame the 683 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,599 world in the way that gets you all worked up. 684 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:20,480 So one of the stories was a NBC dropped a 685 00:37:20,519 --> 00:37:23,559 story about Pete Hexth that says that I believe it 686 00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:27,239 was his sister in law under deposition, I'm not exactly sure, 687 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,679 said that he had been so abusive to his wife 688 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,360 that she had had to hide in a closet because 689 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,559 of the you know, the threat. I'm not did they 690 00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:37,400 say that he actually hit her or was just a 691 00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:40,960 threat of physical abuse against her. 692 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,800 Speaker 3: So it was a little confusing as it was written, 693 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,760 but it appears so Pete Hexseth has been very open 694 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,519 about this, that he's been married three times, and so 695 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:57,760 his second ex wife with whom he shares many children, 696 00:37:58,679 --> 00:37:59,280 I think. 697 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 2: A couple children, I don't know. 698 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 3: Supposedly her brother's ex wife claimed that, yeah, that Pete 699 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:16,039 Hegseth was physically abusive or something like that, and they 700 00:38:16,119 --> 00:38:19,000 asked the mother of his kids if that was true, 701 00:38:19,039 --> 00:38:22,320 and she said, you know, like categorically not true. I'm 702 00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:26,599 see seeing my lawyer, Like I don't talk about my marriage, 703 00:38:26,679 --> 00:38:30,760 but it's not true, and I'm seeing my lawyer. And 704 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:35,880 so the story they ran was that he was, you know, 705 00:38:36,159 --> 00:38:38,920 incredibly accused of being abusive to his ex wife. 706 00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,360 Speaker 1: It should be noted that these stories in the contemporary 707 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,280 contemporary world spread mostly on social media. So I saw, 708 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,519 for instance, Peter Baker, who is a reporter at the 709 00:38:49,559 --> 00:38:54,199 New York Times, tweet out the sister in law's claim. 710 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,639 But I did not mention that the person this is 711 00:38:58,679 --> 00:39:03,280 about herself said that wasn't true, which is obviously done 712 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,360 on purpose. No real journalists would do that. 713 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,880 Speaker 3: This very much reminded me of something a story that 714 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:11,679 I was involved in. So I wrote with Carrie Severino, 715 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,280 the book Justice on Trial about the Kavanaugh confirmation and 716 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:16,559 the future of the Supreme Court. 717 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 2: And we got our book out very very quickly. 718 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,840 Speaker 3: It was kind of the definitive history of that confirmation 719 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:23,880 and how it happened. 720 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,559 Speaker 2: We interviewed more than one hundred people. 721 00:39:25,639 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 3: We interviewed people, you know, close to Cabanon and his 722 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,719 accuser and all sorts of you know, we just had 723 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,280 like everything. But there was this other book, I think 724 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,079 it was the next book to come out by two 725 00:39:35,159 --> 00:39:37,599 New York Times reporters and I forget their names, but 726 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,440 they wrote a book and when they went on their 727 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,840 media blitz just before the book came out. They claimed 728 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:51,599 that there was an additional accusation could not be more credible. Now, 729 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:56,960 Carrie and I had found magically access to this book 730 00:39:57,639 --> 00:40:00,320 before it came out, and we read it, and so 731 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:05,320 we knew what the accusation was, and it was ridiculous. 732 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,039 It was from Max Steyer, who likes to present himself 733 00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:12,239 as a nonpartisan defender of the federal employee or something. 734 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,239 His wife is Florence pan who is this one of 735 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,800 these like crazy left wing activist judges on the DC circuit, 736 00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:26,679 And he claimed that he knew about a woman who had, 737 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,079 you know, one of these like mysterious Kavanaugh things. Like 738 00:40:29,199 --> 00:40:32,039 if you ever read the accusations against Kavanaugh, they never 739 00:40:32,159 --> 00:40:35,800 quite make sense. I have read the Jane Meyer Ronan 740 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:41,519 Pharaoh story alleging something that Kavanaugh did like twenty five times, 741 00:40:41,519 --> 00:40:44,400 and I have no idea what it is they're saying 742 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,400 he did. It's so poorly written or they're trying to 743 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,800 make something work with information that doesn't fit, you know anyway, 744 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,159 So something happened, and it's kind of unclear what in 745 00:40:55,199 --> 00:41:00,280 the telling of from these New York Times reporters, like 746 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,400 they have the woman who this supposedly happened to, and 747 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,320 she says she has no idea what he's talking about. 748 00:41:09,159 --> 00:41:12,760 That was the credible allegation, And so this reminds me 749 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,840 of that, Like anyone can make an allegation, the proper 750 00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:19,000 the proper thing to do with an allegation, by the way, 751 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,920 is to investigate it before you do anything. 752 00:41:23,559 --> 00:41:26,400 Speaker 2: Else with it. Anyone can make an. 753 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:30,280 Speaker 3: Allegation against any other person that is in no way 754 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:36,119 newsworthy or legally actionable. So if you were to come 755 00:41:36,159 --> 00:41:41,039 to a district attorney or any other prosecutor and say, 756 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,239 this guy robbed this bank, before you go public with 757 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,840 the allegation that there's a credible allegation that someone robbed 758 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,599 a bank, you do your due diligence. 759 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,440 Speaker 2: You go to the bank. Was it robbed? Is there 760 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,760 any evidence tying this person to it? You know, like 761 00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:57,639 does he have an alibi? 762 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,400 Speaker 3: Like all these things that you would do before youublicly 763 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,920 smear someone. And in journalism, the allegation is absolutely all 764 00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:10,119 that's needed, even when it's refuted by the person involved. 765 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,760 Speaker 1: Well, it depends who it's aimed at, right, Yeah, the 766 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,239 whole point of journalism, the whole reason we have journalism 767 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:23,119 is to weigh and explore the veracity of an accusation 768 00:42:23,519 --> 00:42:26,679 to send, not to send it to us. We you know, 769 00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:30,719 this woman could just have gone on Twitter and spread it. 770 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,199 We don't need journalists anyway. Obviously they want to sink 771 00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:38,119 his nomination, but it's not going to happen. So the 772 00:42:38,199 --> 00:42:43,519 other story which PBS spread, Now I most people know this. 773 00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:47,480 I just want to stress that PBS is in part 774 00:42:47,519 --> 00:42:51,199 funded by the public, and that we fund them. Who's 775 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,159 the woman you mentioned her last week? Who's now going 776 00:42:53,199 --> 00:42:56,920 to be covering? Oh no, maybe I confuse NBC, who 777 00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,440 covers the White House for them? It's like insane woman anyway? 778 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,800 Speaker 2: Are you talking about alsor yeah? 779 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:03,920 Speaker 1: Is that is that NBC? 780 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:05,840 Speaker 2: I thought she was PBS, but I have no. 781 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:11,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, PBS. So in any event, this happened 782 00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,039 in twenty sixteen, I remember with Laura Ingram. But if 783 00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:19,000 you raise your hand out towards people in a manner 784 00:43:19,039 --> 00:43:23,360 that's straight, and you take a shot of that moment, 785 00:43:23,679 --> 00:43:27,400 it looks like a a Nazi salute. So Elon Musk 786 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,960 gets up and he does this thing, which he is 787 00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:31,920 very awkward. I have to say as a person, But 788 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,840 let's talk about that. He hits his heart right and 789 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:39,280 he's like, I forgot what exactly says, and he shoots 790 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,119 his arm out in a Hitler type salute. If you 791 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,840 just look at that one particular second. Now, this is 792 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:50,840 spread online by the usual Aaron Rupar and people like that, 793 00:43:51,039 --> 00:43:53,920 but also picked up by PBS and then other journalists 794 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,280 like this just wasn't only PBS. Other journalists were like, 795 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,840 it seems like he did this, and then peliticians Chris 796 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:05,320 Murphy others say as a fact that Elon Musk offered 797 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:10,360 a Hitler salute, a Nazi salute. It is very reminiscent 798 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:11,480 of twenty sixteen to me. 799 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:18,119 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't even know what to say about it, 800 00:44:18,159 --> 00:44:22,920 because it is so stupid that it's hard to interact 801 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,960 with people who are claiming to believe it. I assume 802 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:32,280 no one, literally, no one on earth is so stupid 803 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,119 as to think that Elon Musk was saying Hyle Hitler 804 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,400 at a rally. I assume that anyone who's saying that 805 00:44:40,519 --> 00:44:43,559 he did that is pretending. 806 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,800 Speaker 1: Is that so funny that you it's so funny that 807 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,400 you said that I tweeted out no one on these words. 808 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,559 No one on Earth believes that Elon Musk actually, you know, 809 00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:54,360 did a Heile Hitler suit or whatever? And people are like, no, 810 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,280 they do. They convince themselves they believe. I don't. I 811 00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,880 still stand by that. I don't think any person actually believes. 812 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,679 First of all, why on earth would he do it? Secondly, 813 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,519 Elon Musk wants a smaller limited government, believes an unfettered 814 00:45:08,559 --> 00:45:12,079 free speech. He's he has illustrated that, not just said 815 00:45:12,119 --> 00:45:15,119 it with his own property. He almost all his To me, 816 00:45:15,199 --> 00:45:18,440 he's quite libertarian, I would say, small l libertarian in 817 00:45:18,519 --> 00:45:21,639 his beliefs. For the most part, what on earth, what 818 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:26,840 part of his ideology is? Is is compatible with national socialism. 819 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:31,519 I don't even understand what that's supposed to mean. It's 820 00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:33,519 it kind of ties into my book. I mean, honestly, 821 00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:37,519 this is blewing on stuff. There's a draw paranoid drive 822 00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:41,400 in politics where you have to assign all kinds of insidious, 823 00:45:41,519 --> 00:45:44,400 nefarious beliefs to people because you can't actually debate what 824 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,000 they're saying, or you don't want to. Chris Murphy is 825 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,960 he's asking, I think, who do I've got? Who was 826 00:45:50,039 --> 00:45:51,880 up there? He was like, what do you think of 827 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,679 Elon Musk's Nazis. He was, you know, he was in Senate. 828 00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,679 I mean, I don't I don't even know what to 829 00:45:57,679 --> 00:46:01,119 make of this stuff. One more thing actually on this sorry, 830 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,119 people for a year and more than a year now 831 00:46:04,199 --> 00:46:09,599 have been marching around on college campuses with real life 832 00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:14,840 kind of Nazi opinions about Jews. Okay, yes, Hamas flags 833 00:46:15,199 --> 00:46:19,079 his Bulah flags in Congress. We have a bunch of 834 00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:21,920 people who spread blood libels about Jews all the time. 835 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:26,039 Chris Murphy has never uttered a word criticizing them. In fact, 836 00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,679 he's a big fan of the Islamic regime in Iran. 837 00:46:29,039 --> 00:46:31,840 So it is just contemptible. I don't even know what 838 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:33,480 to say about it anymore. It's like living in a 839 00:46:34,599 --> 00:46:36,599 It's like, am I taking crazy pills? That's what I 840 00:46:36,599 --> 00:46:37,000 feel like. 841 00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,760 Speaker 3: Hans Feeney has something like this on a tweet where 842 00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,840 he was like, I'm learning that Nazism is an awkward 843 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:50,719 hand gesture and not calling for the death of all Jews. Like, 844 00:46:51,079 --> 00:46:54,360 that's not college campus is being overrun by people who 845 00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:55,480 want all Jews dead. 846 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,400 Speaker 2: That's not. That does not in any way evoke Nazism. 847 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,280 Awkward hand gesture does. 848 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:09,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, I still don't think anyone believes it. And I 849 00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:14,159 am a fan of Elon Musk's politics, and trust me, 850 00:47:14,199 --> 00:47:17,199 I'm pretty sensitive to Nazis and Nazism because it does 851 00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,119 exist on the far right here. But yeah, you mentioned. 852 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,320 Speaker 3: Chris Murphy and his love of Iran, and I like 853 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,920 it when we always remember that I broke this story about. 854 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,559 Speaker 1: Meeting with it was amazing. I mean, let's be honest. 855 00:47:30,599 --> 00:47:32,880 I don't want the government to go after someone like that. 856 00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,239 But Donald Trump was president. He had a certain policy 857 00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:40,119 that's actually within his purview, foreign policy with Iran that 858 00:47:40,199 --> 00:47:43,360 he was going after. And Chris Murphy, he was a senator, 859 00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:48,039 secretly meets with Iranians to undermine him, probably lies about it, 860 00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,840 and then because of your work, had to admit it. 861 00:47:51,159 --> 00:47:55,280 And that's worse than any Russia That's worse than the 862 00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,480 actual fantasies of Russia collusion, you know what I mean. 863 00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,920 Speaker 3: Murphy was one of the people who said that Mike 864 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,280 Flynn meeting with the Russian his Russian counterpart ahead of 865 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,719 the election meant that he was guilty of the Logan Act. 866 00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,840 Speaker 1: Logan Act. That is the most maybe Carrie also John Kerry, 867 00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,360 but that is if you were going to use the 868 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,920 logan act. That would be the perfect place to launch it. 869 00:48:19,679 --> 00:48:24,199 All right, do you want to talk about culture? Sure, Okay, 870 00:48:24,519 --> 00:48:27,280 I have a surprise for you. I sat and I 871 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:34,840 watched The Triangle of Yoh you mounted a social media campaign. 872 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:36,639 It soon forced me to do it. 873 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,960 Speaker 3: WHOA, tell me all about it. 874 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,559 Speaker 1: It's interesting that you say that you know it lingers 875 00:48:45,559 --> 00:48:48,639 in your mind and it pops up because that I 876 00:48:48,679 --> 00:48:52,840 can see why. You know, it's a movie that you 877 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:57,079 think about part of it. Listen, I'll just preface this 878 00:48:57,159 --> 00:48:58,679 by saying I liked it. I thought it was an 879 00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,280 interesting movie to watch. It's very kind of European movie. 880 00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,280 It doesn't have, you know, it doesn't tie up the 881 00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,480 story really, you know, leaves you with a cliffhanger. It 882 00:49:08,599 --> 00:49:11,880 is kind of disconnected in a way. We're you know, weirdly. 883 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,440 It's not like a neat American movie. But I did 884 00:49:15,519 --> 00:49:18,679 enjoy it because it does. It toys with a lot 885 00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:25,400 of toys with patriarchy, matriarchy. It toys with woke I think, 886 00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:29,800 wokeism in a way, and then also socialism and capitalism 887 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:34,360 and how it would work when things break down. I 888 00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,000 did sort of guess in the third par can we 889 00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:39,320 just spoil the movie, you think? 890 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:41,599 Speaker 3: I think it's been out, it's like three years old, 891 00:49:41,679 --> 00:49:44,400 so if people haven't the end, and also people probably 892 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,920 shouldn't go watch it. 893 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:52,039 Speaker 1: So the shipwreck part I sort of guessed immediately. I'm like, 894 00:49:52,039 --> 00:49:54,079 why aren't they taking a little walk around the island, 895 00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:56,559 you know, to see if someone else is here. It 896 00:49:56,599 --> 00:50:00,000 seemed so weird, but that's part of it. They're helpless, 897 00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:03,199 They're they're entitled, most of them, right, and they don't 898 00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:04,960 really know how to take care of themselves anymore, which 899 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:09,800 I think is kind of ridiculous. But I just it 900 00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,639 was interesting to watch. It kept me, you know, I 901 00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,519 kept thinking about the philosophical points they were making, you know. 902 00:50:16,599 --> 00:50:19,800 I liked I liked how the woman and they gave 903 00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,440 her like the worst job ever. The toilet cleaner, you know, 904 00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:24,960 takes over as the matriarch of this lord. 905 00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:26,280 Speaker 2: I don't remember her name. 906 00:50:26,639 --> 00:50:30,039 Speaker 3: She was amazing and I think people recognize that about 907 00:50:30,039 --> 00:50:30,599 her big one. 908 00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,239 Speaker 1: Everyone was great in the movie. I liked the Russian 909 00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:37,440 business guy. I liked I like the male model. I 910 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,159 think he did a good job in trying. He was 911 00:50:40,159 --> 00:50:42,559 trying to appeal, So I liked this what pulled me. 912 00:50:42,599 --> 00:50:44,639 In the first part. He's trying to appeal to this 913 00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,760 woman who's his girlfriend, who's a model, right, and he's 914 00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,480 trying to appeal to her by being a feminist basically, 915 00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,760 like with the paying of the bill and stuff, and 916 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,880 she wants no part of that. And I'm like, this 917 00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,000 is interesting, you know what I mean. I don't know 918 00:50:57,039 --> 00:51:01,119 if you. I forgot if you you said you liked 919 00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:02,639 it or lingered, but you weren't sure. 920 00:51:03,519 --> 00:51:06,400 Speaker 3: I thought that it's I think you I mean, can 921 00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:12,159 we call it just Marxism? Was cliched and overwrought and 922 00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:19,800 to like hitting you over the head. But I recognized 923 00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:20,920 also that it had that. 924 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,519 Speaker 2: It was like well done? Is that? 925 00:51:24,639 --> 00:51:29,559 Speaker 1: Yeah? It was really well done. It that hit you 926 00:51:29,639 --> 00:51:32,440 nailed what I was. It was a little bit too Yeah, 927 00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,000 it was a little bit too on the nose with 928 00:51:34,039 --> 00:51:36,519 the socialism stuff. But I think it kind of backfired 929 00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:39,119 on them. It showed that the woman who worked and 930 00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:43,440 had merit actually ran things. Right. Do you think at 931 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,679 the end, since we're spoiling that she kills a woman 932 00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,400 and she doesn't what do you think you think she does? 933 00:51:47,599 --> 00:51:48,719 Speaker 2: And that's what I kind of liked about it. 934 00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:52,119 Speaker 3: Too, because, like I thought, I thought, all the yeah, 935 00:51:52,119 --> 00:51:55,000 the anti capitalism stuff was stupid. 936 00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:55,920 Speaker 2: But then at the. 937 00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:01,800 Speaker 3: End, when the woman who's running this like authoritarian situation 938 00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:07,920 sees her power threatened, the working class lady who overtakes 939 00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:12,199 everything and develops power, and then her power is threatened, 940 00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,360 she gets more violent than any of the rest had been. 941 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,280 Speaker 1: Don't you think the men would? First of all, the 942 00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,519 way that male like I kind of liked him, and 943 00:52:19,519 --> 00:52:21,239 I thought he was more on the way he immediately 944 00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:25,000 surrenders to be like this kept man was kind of funny. 945 00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,679 But I just feel like because of physical strength and 946 00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,639 when you have anarchy, they would have just taken the 947 00:52:30,639 --> 00:52:33,079 stuff from her, where they would have just learned how 948 00:52:33,119 --> 00:52:37,159 to fish themselves. Yeah, don't you think. I mean, how 949 00:52:37,159 --> 00:52:38,679 hard is it to go out there and grab an 950 00:52:38,679 --> 00:52:42,800 octopus or whatever she was doing. I don't know. But 951 00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,639 the juxtaposition with how they were living on that yacht 952 00:52:45,679 --> 00:52:49,400 initially and the kind of slave labor that was around them, 953 00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,639 you know what I mean, and how they did whatever, 954 00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,599 even embarrassed themselves with that swimming thing, you know what 955 00:52:54,639 --> 00:52:58,400 I mean. It was just anyway, I enjoyed it. 956 00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:02,159 Speaker 3: Well, that's great, Thank you, David, I found it disturbing. 957 00:53:02,199 --> 00:53:03,920 I wish I wish I'd known, because I kind of 958 00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,079 would have revisited what I thought about it because I'm 959 00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:07,079 like remembering the plot. 960 00:53:07,079 --> 00:53:09,519 Speaker 2: There's like the first part where they're on the land 961 00:53:09,639 --> 00:53:10,400 and you're sort. 962 00:53:10,199 --> 00:53:15,519 Speaker 3: Of seeing this power based on beauty and wealth, right, yeah. 963 00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:16,280 Speaker 1: But it's the couple. 964 00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, And then there's the period. 965 00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,280 Speaker 3: Then the second act is on the yacht where you 966 00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,280 just sort of see this exploitation of the working class. 967 00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, undeserved. 968 00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,679 Speaker 1: She's actually an influencer. I'm not sure if she was 969 00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:30,400 a model, but sort of like a model. 970 00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:30,719 Speaker 4: Yeah. 971 00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:36,480 Speaker 3: And then the yacht is steered by is what he 972 00:53:36,519 --> 00:53:42,559 harrelse in the captain yea, And yeah, so it's horrible. 973 00:53:42,599 --> 00:53:48,159 It's a horribly managed capitalist utopia, you know, dystopia, and 974 00:53:48,199 --> 00:53:50,360 so it crashes and then some people survive on this 975 00:53:50,599 --> 00:53:54,280 island and that's when the Filipina lady, who was amazing, 976 00:53:55,159 --> 00:53:58,679 takes over the power keeps men. 977 00:53:59,559 --> 00:54:02,159 Speaker 2: She's not, you know, in any. 978 00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:09,079 Speaker 3: Way like it's a it's a you know, she's an older, 979 00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,679 not traditionally attractive, powerful lady. 980 00:54:13,679 --> 00:54:16,519 Speaker 1: But the male model is her kept man right away 981 00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:20,119 because you can yeah, the first scene where they have 982 00:54:20,159 --> 00:54:22,159 the male model trying out and all the men are 983 00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,159 don't have their shirts on. His shows like how vacuous 984 00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:28,159 these people, like how empty it all is, and I 985 00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,599 like that. That scene also drew me in. I don't know, 986 00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:31,400 it was fun. 987 00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,360 Speaker 2: That was that that The title of the movie comes from. 988 00:54:35,079 --> 00:54:39,719 Speaker 1: Right on your face yea. 989 00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,679 Speaker 2: The triangle in between the in between your eyebrop. 990 00:54:43,159 --> 00:54:45,239 Speaker 1: I thought it was I thought it was worthwhile. I 991 00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,840 don't know that if it's for everyone, but I like 992 00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:50,920 movies a toy with ideas, And even though it was 993 00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:55,960 a little bit on the nose, Yeah, do you do 994 00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:57,119 you have anything that you watched? 995 00:54:57,639 --> 00:55:02,280 Speaker 3: No? I went to a inaugural activities. That was my 996 00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,719 culture for the weekend and I really liked it. And 997 00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,639 it was so fun to see everybody dressed up and 998 00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:11,079 having a good time in DC. 999 00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,800 Speaker 2: It was very cold, but delightful. 1000 00:55:14,199 --> 00:55:15,320 Speaker 1: Did Mark wear a tucks? 1001 00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:16,239 Speaker 2: Of course? 1002 00:55:17,639 --> 00:55:21,920 Speaker 1: I did watch something else. Okay, it was called and 1003 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,840 I Act. But this is a recommend Okay, even though 1004 00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,719 it's again not for everyone. It's called The Unbearable Weight 1005 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:32,440 of Massive Talent and it is a meta script with 1006 00:55:33,159 --> 00:55:39,119 Nicholas Cage playing himself I thought I would hate it, 1007 00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,320 but he so he plays himself and he is Nicholas 1008 00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:46,039 Cage and he's doing all these movies, these terrible movies. 1009 00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:51,400 He's ignoring his daughter and the ex wife is also 1010 00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,039 a character, and he's invited to a birthday party with 1011 00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,599 Spanish gun he goes and anyway, he starts working for 1012 00:55:57,639 --> 00:56:02,440 the CIA. It's ridiculous, but it is very funny. Yeah, 1013 00:56:03,039 --> 00:56:05,760 especially the first part of it. It's oh, and they 1014 00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,679 do a deaging thing. So he has like an alter 1015 00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,559 ego that's him when he's young, and he acts like 1016 00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:14,519 Nicholas Cage was young, always yelling like at weird times, 1017 00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:17,920 you know what I mean, and cursing a lot and stuff. 1018 00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,239 And uh, they bring up a lot of his old 1019 00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,559 movies and they'll show them on ten. It's just a 1020 00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,079 I thought it was pretty well done. I recommend it, 1021 00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,760 all right. That's uh, that's it for me. Nothing for you. 1022 00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,800 Speaker 3: Please do send in those emails to radio at the 1023 00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,400 Federalist dot com. 1024 00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,840 Speaker 1: We'll be back next week. So then the lovers of 1025 00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:42,280 Freedom and punch just people, friend 1026 00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:44,719 Speaker 4: There's no need to do