Speaker 1: Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on w b Z the news radio.
Speaker 2: Again, I just want to say thank you to the
Speaker 2: principal of Westwood High School, Amy Davenport, and math teacher
Speaker 2: beyond mahegan financial literacy that is now a required course
Speaker 2: at that high school. And as I say, you can
Speaker 2: listen if you only caught the end of the conversation.
Speaker 2: Rob will have that hour posted probably sometime when I
Speaker 2: say early this morning. Rob's works later than I do.
Speaker 2: He works until three am in the morning, and part
Speaker 2: of his job is to post the hours that are
Speaker 2: on Nightside so you can listen to that hour. It
Speaker 2: will be posted as tonight's nine o'clock hour. And following
Speaker 2: along on the issue of financial literacy tomorrow night, we
Speaker 2: will be joined by CPA Mark Misselbeck. Mark has been
Speaker 2: our guest now at this time of year for several years.
Speaker 2: I think one of the first times we have Mark
Speaker 2: on was back in twenty ten. He has an ability
Speaker 2: to literally to answer any question about the Internal Revenue
Speaker 2: Code and if you have any tax questions for him,
Speaker 2: from the more elementary questions to the most sophisticated questions,
Speaker 2: Mark will be available beginning at nine o'clock tomorrow night,
Speaker 2: and we've had him years stay for a couple of hours.
Speaker 2: I think it's important. One of the things that you
Speaker 2: have to be thinking about, whether you like it or not,
Speaker 2: is that April fifteenth is around the corner. It'll be well,
Speaker 2: it's really only on what two weeks from two months
Speaker 2: from this weekend, and that is the time of reckoning
Speaker 2: with the irs, and hopefully you've withheld enough money so
Speaker 2: that you get some money coming back. But either way
Speaker 2: you have to square up with the IRS or else
Speaker 2: request an extension, which is they're pretty easy to get.
Speaker 2: But we can go through all of that tomorrow night
Speaker 2: with Mark Misselbeck, and he will be with us tomorrow
Speaker 2: night at nine o'clock. Now, today was a very busy
Speaker 2: day for the Trump administration. Late last night, President Trump
Speaker 2: greeted an American who had been held hostage in Russia
Speaker 2: for several years. His name was Mark Fogel. He's a
Speaker 2: high school teacher who was I guess visiting Moscow and
Speaker 2: he was arrested because he had medical marijuana, prescription drugs
Speaker 2: medical marijuana in his suitcase. And he has served several
Speaker 2: years in Russian prisons. And there's interesting backstory to it
Speaker 2: that the day that Donald Trump was shot in Butler, Pennsylvania,
Speaker 2: this gentleman Mark Fogel's mom, who is ninety five years old,
Speaker 2: actually met the president before that rally, before the president
Speaker 2: was shot, and he promise as to her that he
Speaker 2: would do whatever he could to get Mark Fogel out.
Speaker 2: He had lingered in a prison there for a long
Speaker 2: for for many many years, and Trudeau's word, he did
Speaker 2: get him out. As a matter of fact, that story
Speaker 2: was told today on CNN by Mark Fogel's sister Rob.
Speaker 2: This is cut number four. I just want to play
Speaker 2: this for people. Ian Fogel on CNN today with Aaron
Speaker 2: Burnette cut for place. My mother went to the Trump
Speaker 2: rally and saw President Trump shortly before he was.
Speaker 3: Shot and Butler, right, Butler, crazy.
Speaker 4: Turn of events.
Speaker 2: And he told her then that if he was if
Speaker 2: he was elected, he was going to get him out.
Speaker 5: And the man was true to his word.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And so there's another Americans unidentified who has been
Speaker 2: released by Belarus, which is a country that has very
Speaker 2: close relations with who also today, President Trump talked with
Speaker 2: Putin on the telephone for an hour and a half.
Speaker 2: He also talked with President Zelenski of Ukraine and there
Speaker 2: seems to be some progress that is being made potentially there.
Speaker 2: And in addition, you have President Trump who has issued
Speaker 2: once again an ultimatum to Hamas. This is cut number
Speaker 2: twenty six rob about the release of all the Israeli
Speaker 2: hostages that Hamas continues to hold. Cut twenty six rub No.
Speaker 6: I would say, Saturday at twelve, we want them all back.
Speaker 6: I'm speaking for myself. Israel can override it, but from myself,
Speaker 6: Saturday at twelve o'clock and that if they're not here,
Speaker 6: all hell is going to break out.
Speaker 2: And a reporter followed up on that, and well, the
Speaker 2: reporter basically asked President Trump what he meant by all
Speaker 2: hell is going to break loose? I think I know
Speaker 2: what he meant. Cut twenty seven rup say, Old, the
Speaker 2: hell is.
Speaker 5: Going to break loose?
Speaker 4: Are you speaking about retaliation from you?
Speaker 6: You'll find out and they'll find out too. Hamas will
Speaker 6: find out what I mean. They're gonna find out what
Speaker 6: I mean. These are second people and they'll find out
Speaker 6: what I mean. Saturday or twelve.
Speaker 2: I think President Trump also today talked about being being
Speaker 2: moved by the appearance of the hostages who have been released.
Speaker 2: This has cut twenty eight A.
Speaker 7: Rob hamas has been a disaster. And by the way,
Speaker 7: I have to tell you that I watched the hostages
Speaker 7: come back today and they look like Holocaust survivors. They
Speaker 7: were in horrible condition. They were emaciated. It looked like
Speaker 7: many years ago, the Holocaust survivors. And I don't know
Speaker 7: how much longer we can take that. When I watched that,
Speaker 7: I know we have a deal. What was it ust
Speaker 7: to get?
Speaker 6: They dribble in and keep dribbling in, but they are
Speaker 6: in really bad shape. They have been treated brutally horribly.
Speaker 7: Even the ones that came out earlier they were a little.
Speaker 6: Bit better shaped, but mentally they were treated so badly.
Speaker 6: Who could take that?
Speaker 7: You know, at some point we're gonna lose our patients.
Speaker 2: He finished that comment. This was a comment that he
Speaker 2: made over the weekend. This is this is about forty
Speaker 2: seconds Robins cut twenty eight B.
Speaker 7: When I see that scene that I saw it today
Speaker 7: with people coming out of helicopters and airplanes that are emaciated,
Speaker 7: that look like they haven't had a meal in a
Speaker 7: month for no reason for that, And I don't know
Speaker 7: how much longer we can take it.
Speaker 8: Do you mean you want to be cast?
Speaker 7: I don't know how long we can take it. When
Speaker 7: I watch people that were healthy people a reasonably short
Speaker 7: number of years ago, and you look at them today,
Speaker 7: they look like they've aged twenty five years. They they
Speaker 7: literally looked like the old pictures of holocausts. It's the
Speaker 7: same thing. I mean, the same thing.
Speaker 6: And I don't know how long we're gonna take that.
Speaker 2: So President Trump, again last weekend and also again today,
Speaker 2: has basically laid down a marker hamas has now been unnoticed.
Speaker 2: Today's Wednesday. Let's see what happens Saturday at noontime. He's
Speaker 2: not specified whether he means noontime Middle East time, on
Speaker 2: noontime Washington d C Time. So we're going to talk
Speaker 2: about that. Today was really I thought, a coming out day,
Speaker 2: if you will, for him on the international stage. That,
Speaker 2: in addition to what his secretary of Defense said about Ukraine,
Speaker 2: will get to all of that. Basically, a huge change
Speaker 2: in America's foreign policy was executed today, both in Washington
Speaker 2: and in Europe. My name is Dan Ray. If you'd
Speaker 2: like to get on board, early six, seven thirty or six, one, seven, nine,
Speaker 2: ten thirty back on Nightside right after this, it's with
Speaker 2: Dan Ray.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you Easy Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2: Well, if you were following the Trump administration, your head
Speaker 2: is I'm sure spinning because there's been so much done.
Speaker 2: Apparently there's every day, it seems as if there's some
Speaker 2: news of a substantial nature. Today most of it was
Speaker 2: international news. Now, apparently there was a late decision today
Speaker 2: by the federal judge here in Boston, Georgia O'Toole, to
Speaker 2: allow the voluntary resignations of federal workers to proceed. I
Speaker 2: was listening. I think it was Nicole's newscast said that
Speaker 2: the judge had found that the unions who were the
Speaker 2: plaintiffs in the case, who had sought relief on behalf
Speaker 2: of their membership Judge O tru five, they did not
Speaker 2: have standing. So again that's going to go on. There's
Speaker 2: the big stories today though, were that all of a
Speaker 2: sudden we find out that President Trump and President Putin
Speaker 2: of Russia had a ninety minute phone call, and after that,
Speaker 2: President Trump talked to Vladimir Zelensky, and well the President
Speaker 2: talked about Ukraine. And I think that today is the
Speaker 2: day that the official US policy towards Ukraine changed the
Speaker 2: The Biden administration was supportive, but was not maybe as
Speaker 2: fully supportive as Zelensky might have wanted. But the Trump administration,
Speaker 2: I think is making it pretty clear that they want
Speaker 2: to negotiate an end of the war, and I think
Speaker 2: it's going to be my It's going to be probably
Speaker 2: on terms that Zelensky's not going to be happy with.
Speaker 2: Ukraine has some portion of territory in Russia. I suspect
Speaker 2: that there will be pressure put upon him to get
Speaker 2: out of the Krisk region. Well, at the same time, Russia,
Speaker 2: I suspect will be allowed to keep Crimea and also
Speaker 2: some of the territory in eastern Ukraine, the so called
Speaker 2: Dumbas region. Again, I'm not an expert on that war.
Speaker 2: The Ukrainians have fought valiantly for three years with our encouragement,
Speaker 2: and I think that at the end of the day
Speaker 2: here it's going to end up. Ukraine will survive. There
Speaker 2: was There's a lot going on in my senses that
Speaker 2: that there will be a conclusion here that some Americans
Speaker 2: will welcome, but there will be a lot of Americans
Speaker 2: who will look look at this and say this is
Speaker 2: a complete change. Also in Europe today, the new Secretary
Speaker 2: of Defense, Secretary Hegseth, made it very clear that whatever
Speaker 2: negotiations occurred, there would be no path for Ukraine to
Speaker 2: NATO membership. So there's a lot. There's a lot going
Speaker 2: on here in the in the last few days. The
Speaker 2: the release of the American hostage Mark Bogel, I think
Speaker 2: is a an indicator that that Putin is willing to
Speaker 2: make some concessions. It certainly would be something that we
Speaker 2: welcome as Americans, but it might not augur all that
Speaker 2: well for Ukraine. This is Vogel in the Oval Office
Speaker 2: with President Trump last night. This is cut number one, Rob.
Speaker 2: If you'd be so kind, I appreciate it.
Speaker 5: I feel like the luckiest man on earth right now.
Speaker 5: And I want you to know that I am not
Speaker 5: a hero in this at all. And President Trump, this
Speaker 5: is a hero. These men that came from the Diplomatics
Speaker 5: Service are heroes. The senators and representatives a past legislation
Speaker 5: in my honor to get me home are the heroes.
Speaker 5: I am in awe of what they all did.
Speaker 2: But he would not be home if it was not
Speaker 2: for put Rules with an iron hand. Now is this
Speaker 2: perhaps a harbinger that Putin and Trump maybe have a
Speaker 2: relationship which can annure to the benefit of peace. Whether
Speaker 2: that annures to the benefit of Ukraine might be another question,
Speaker 2: But apparently, according to President Trump, they have agreed to
Speaker 2: perhaps both visit each other's countries to see Putin back
Speaker 2: in Washington or Trump or President Trump in Moscow. I
Speaker 2: just think there's been a sea change in our international
Speaker 2: position today. I'm gonna get to phone calls. I don't
Speaker 2: want to short change anyone, but let me get Brian
Speaker 2: in before the break. Here, Brian, you're the first up.
Speaker 2: Brian is in New Hampshire. Brian, what do you think
Speaker 2: is going on? Hello? Hello, Brian, are you there? Yes,
Speaker 2: Let's put Brian on hold. Rob put Brian on hold in.
Speaker 2: Let's go to the commercial break and we'll take him.
Speaker 2: Right after the break, we'll coming back on Nightside if
Speaker 2: you like to join us. The only lines that are
Speaker 2: open right now are six, one, seven, two, five, four thirty.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's go back to the phone calls. I guess
Speaker 2: we had a misnamed caller, so it's not Brian, it's
Speaker 2: actually Bernie from New Hampshire. Bernie, welcome. How are you, sir?
Speaker 9: I'm fine, Dan.
Speaker 10: How are you tonight?
Speaker 2: Doing great? Bernie? What's your taking? What's been going on
Speaker 2: in the last twenty four hours? It would make my
Speaker 2: head spin?
Speaker 9: All right, thank you for taking my calling, and thoughly
Speaker 9: enjoy listening to your show every night, sir. But I
Speaker 9: think he's just trying to make two points. As we
Speaker 9: all know kind of that he's an isolationist to a point,
Speaker 9: and he's showing that with the Russian conflict, with the
Speaker 9: Ukraine conflict, that he doesn't want to put American soldiers
Speaker 9: in Ham's way over something that he believes is that
Speaker 9: a stalemate now, and he's taken a pragmatic approach to
Speaker 9: it to to just see what he can get to
Speaker 9: get it to stop, so that we don't get the
Speaker 9: whole world doesn't get involved in it.
Speaker 2: I think you're right, but it is. It's a it's
Speaker 2: a real sea change in terms of where we were.
Speaker 2: I mean, the Biden administration held back on some weapons
Speaker 2: that Zelensky wanted, but the Biden administration was pretty supportive
Speaker 2: of Ukraine and from Ukraine's perspective. All of a sudden,
Speaker 2: the US, which was their biggest supporter, now is going
Speaker 2: to be probably pushing them towards a ceasefire initially and
Speaker 2: then eventually a peace agreement with Putin and be interested
Speaker 2: in how that plays with Zelensky and how it plays
Speaker 2: in Ukraine. And they're not going to be in position
Speaker 2: probably much of a position to fight against it, if
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 9: Absolutely absolutely, And he's and he's a show in his
Speaker 9: strength with the Middle East conflict and that it is
Speaker 9: I mean, it's a terrible situation in Ukraine, we all
Speaker 9: agree in that, but in the Middle East, they're they're
Speaker 9: just He's he's showing the world that that that terrorists,
Speaker 9: organized organizations just cannot take hold of the world. Now, now,
Speaker 9: let's all face it. Israel rose from the ashes of
Speaker 9: this of this this conflict, and and and and showed
Speaker 9: the world how strong they truly are, and the US
Speaker 9: backed them, and then and they backed them and then
Speaker 9: and now Trump's telling them, hey, We're not going to
Speaker 9: be held hostage by your type of organizations. If we
Speaker 9: have we will do what we have to do to
Speaker 9: ensure that people cannot be treated like that not saying
Speaker 9: that the people in Ukraine, but we we you know
Speaker 9: what's going on in the Middle East. The way they
Speaker 9: treated these sausages, these were these were peaceful people going
Speaker 9: on the festival. It was like they were at Woodstock
Speaker 9: and they and and they just came in and they
Speaker 9: took over. And it was well planned. And Hamas and
Speaker 9: the whole Middle East thought they they got what they wanted.
Speaker 9: They do they dorew everyone into that conflict, but they
Speaker 9: thought it was gonna turn out different. And what happened was.
Speaker 2: What what is what does President Trump do if if
Speaker 2: Hamas uh it doesn't release all the hostages by noon
Speaker 2: on Saturday. He's kind of done that red line in
Speaker 2: the sand thing that President Obama did. And what I mean,
Speaker 2: he gave himself a little bit of wiggle room today
Speaker 2: because he did say that he could be overridden by
Speaker 2: net Yahoo. But I assume that he knows what Netanya
Speaker 2: who wants, and who knows what he wants.
Speaker 9: Absolutely they you know what nat and Yahoo when this
Speaker 9: first started, they said, you want you want to bring
Speaker 9: you want to bring this down. He was gonna rain
Speaker 9: down on him, and he did.
Speaker 11: They did.
Speaker 9: They rose up and took him a bit, but they
Speaker 9: rose up and they showed the world their metal, their metal,
Speaker 9: and they were made as one of the strongest, smallest
Speaker 9: fighting forces in the world. And they know that the
Speaker 9: US has proofs in the Middle East.
Speaker 2: Now, they took out the leadership of a moss they
Speaker 2: took out the leadership of a Mosas Hezbollah, they took
Speaker 2: out leaders of Iran when they were in Lebanon. I mean,
Speaker 2: they have risen from the ashes. Bernie, I appreciate your call.
Speaker 2: Please keep calling the show and keep listening. I appreciate
Speaker 2: your loyalty. Thanks, Bernie, Thank you. Have a great night.
Speaker 2: Marty is in Florida. Marty, you're next to the nightside.
Speaker 2: Your thoughts on what's been going on the last twenty
Speaker 2: four or so hours here. It's been an interesting, well
Speaker 2: interesting twenty four hours.
Speaker 12: Well the thing that mostly I had tears in my
Speaker 12: eyes when I saw Tulsie Gabbut being confirmed because first
Speaker 12: of all, she jumped ship and she proved that she's
Speaker 12: not a person belongs to a party. But she's an American.
Speaker 12: We remember, Wow, she was put on a no fly
Speaker 12: list on and that was just like to mess with her.
Speaker 12: I also was very impressed when I saw that Pambondi
Speaker 12: was wasn't she swearing in Tulsa Gabbert. Also, I heard
Speaker 12: something silly today on another radio network where they said,
Speaker 12: I think the idea of buying this may be digressing,
Speaker 12: but buying Greenland is silly. But then I heard on
Speaker 12: another station that a few hundred thousand people in Denmark
Speaker 12: want to buy California. So it's getting to be like
Speaker 12: a joke whatever.
Speaker 2: And it's a little off topic here, but let's get
Speaker 2: back to the moment in Sorry, it seems to me
Speaker 2: that we have a sea change in our foreign policy now.
Speaker 2: It doesn't surprise me, but clearly Ukraine tonight must feel
Speaker 2: on a lot less solid foundation with the United States
Speaker 2: based upon what Hexath said in Europe today and what
Speaker 2: President Trump has said about his relationship and his phone
Speaker 2: call with Putin.
Speaker 13: Well, we feel that, I mean in this household, we
Speaker 13: feel that the Ukrainians had something on Joe Biden and
Speaker 13: he was he was not giving them any guidance, any tutelage.
Speaker 12: He was just it was in a way, it was
Speaker 12: like giving some extortion money. I think the Ukrainian I
Speaker 12: don't buy.
Speaker 2: I don't buy that. And again, unless you can prove it.
Speaker 2: It's well your opinion. Thank you for telling me it's
Speaker 2: your opinion. But how how do you feel Zelinsky is
Speaker 2: going to respond to this? I mean, Zelinsky is sort
Speaker 2: of the you got, you know, two superpowers, Russia and
Speaker 2: the US are going to in effect decide the fate
Speaker 2: of his country. He's not going to like this.
Speaker 12: Well, he's probably not going to like it. And one
Speaker 12: thing we've learned from this situation is that the Ukrainians
Speaker 12: are very tough and this war could go on forever,
Speaker 12: could actually go on forever. So I like the idea
Speaker 12: of Donald Trump using his magic to say, let's talk,
Speaker 12: all right, because a lot of Russians and a lot
Speaker 12: of Ukrainians dying, okay, and nobody wanted. I don't have
Speaker 12: anything against Russians, so I'd like peace. But I do
Speaker 12: make a comparison between this and Neville Chamberlain nineteen thirty eight,
Speaker 12: when they gave up Czechoslovakia peace in our time and
Speaker 12: it didn't do anything. So I'm gonna say Neville Chamberlain
Speaker 12: is Joe Biden and Donald Trump is doing a hell
Speaker 12: of a job.
Speaker 2: And I believe if if you want to talk about
Speaker 2: I mean I don't think Biden was Neville Chamberlain. Biden
Speaker 2: provided the support that Zelensky needed. Now, he didn't give
Speaker 2: Zelensky everything Zelensky wanted at the time Lelensky wanted it,
Speaker 2: but he gave him. He gave him enough to keep
Speaker 2: help keep Ukraine in the game. And as a matter
Speaker 2: of fact, Ukraine now occupies part of Russia's territory and
Speaker 2: what's called the I.
Speaker 12: Was seriously worried that we might give them weapons, which
Speaker 12: would Russia would say, we're going to remember they talked
Speaker 12: originally about using tactical nuclear all right, and if people
Speaker 12: are not aware of it, in a nuclear war, nobody wins,
Speaker 12: all right, no.
Speaker 2: Question, No, I don't think there's any question about that one. Marty, Hey,
Speaker 2: thank you for your calling. I appreciate your point of view.
Speaker 2: Thanks Marty, talk.
Speaker 12: Later, good program as always, Thank.
Speaker 2: You, Thank you very much, appreciate it. Let me go
Speaker 2: to Rachel. Rachel, You're next on Nightside. Welcome.
Speaker 4: Oh hey, Dan, I've been listening and I'm like, wow.
Speaker 4: And when I called in, I said to Rob, I said,
Speaker 4: I really would love.
Speaker 3: To hear what Seeing's opinion is of It's this whole
Speaker 3: thing and I and I know you listen to everybody's opinion, but.
Speaker 2: What do you think, Well, I look at it as
Speaker 2: and I'm commenting on it as the Trump administration, when
Speaker 2: when you know President Trump was running for office, I
Speaker 2: think everyone knew that that he is much He's more
Speaker 2: in a tradition of an isolationist Republican, Okay, and that
Speaker 2: is where he is here. And I think he feels
Speaker 2: that he can deal with Putin and that he'd rather
Speaker 2: deal with him strategically and economically and not militarily. And
Speaker 2: at this point Ukraine is I think, going to be
Speaker 2: the odd man out here. I don't think that Trump
Speaker 2: would allow Putin to get into Ukraine and take the
Speaker 2: country over, But I think he's going to prevail upon
Speaker 2: Putin to agree to some terms to end the war,
Speaker 2: which I think is going to be more favorable Russia
Speaker 2: than they are to Ukraine, to be honest with you,
Speaker 2: particularly in view of the loss of life that you
Speaker 2: I mean, Ukraine has. They're fought valiantly for three years,
Speaker 2: but we in America are not. Are never in it
Speaker 2: for the long haul, as we found out in Vietnam
Speaker 2: and as we found out in the Middle East. In
Speaker 2: Afghanistan and Iraq. We go in there with guns blazing,
Speaker 2: and once once things get bogged down, support for the
Speaker 2: for the effort leaves. And I think, remember three years ago,
Speaker 2: everybody had Ukrainian flags on their car, or on their house,
Speaker 2: or on the fence around the house. You don't see
Speaker 2: much of those Ukrainian flags anymore. Yeah, And I think
Speaker 2: that Trump is right the room, and I think that
Speaker 2: people are gonna He's going to come out of it
Speaker 2: as the peacemaker he made. Trump may win a Nobel
Speaker 2: Peace Prize if he can get Zelenski and Putin, who
Speaker 2: hate each other, to agree to cease cease this war
Speaker 2: and this war and cease hostilities.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and I agree in I'm like, I'm not a
Speaker 4: political person, but I'm like, you know, definitely not a
Speaker 4: political person. But I feel more safe with Trump in
Speaker 4: office than I did with Biden.
Speaker 2: No, I understand, and and I've talked to you before.
Speaker 2: I know that you pretty much are a Trump person.
Speaker 2: And I think that at this point, for this war
Speaker 2: to continue into the fourth year, we're coming up of
Speaker 2: the third anniversary, who benefits from that? I don't think
Speaker 2: anyone does. And I think that the terms of the
Speaker 2: agreement is that Ukraine will have to withdraw from the
Speaker 2: Russian territory they now occupy. And I think Ukraine is
Speaker 2: going to have to give up any hope and aspiration
Speaker 2: of reclaiming Crimea or reclaiming, reclaiming, reclaiming that portion that
Speaker 2: Russia initially invaded in the eastern portion of Ukraine. Ukraine
Speaker 2: loses territory but remains in theory an independent nation, but
Speaker 2: an independent nation that sits in the shadow of Russia
Speaker 2: and with no hope of joining NATO. I mean that
Speaker 2: that option was taken off the table today by the
Speaker 2: new Secretary of Defense.
Speaker 4: May I ask you something so and I get, you
Speaker 4: know what, I am not like a Facebook person whatever,
Speaker 4: but I get a lot of like whatever the fake
Speaker 4: news for acts, you know what I mean, stuff that's
Speaker 4: not true. It's like, who do you believe?
Speaker 10: That's the whole well, you have to believe.
Speaker 2: It's pretty simple, Rachel. I think you have to get
Speaker 2: out of whatever ilo you might be in, and you've
Speaker 2: got to look at points of view that you agree
Speaker 2: with and points of view disagree with. And then there
Speaker 2: are uh newspapers that have fact checking and do it legitimately.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 2: I talked last night about the Washington Post doing some
Speaker 2: fact checking on the claims of excesses of the us
Speaker 2: ai AI D Agency uh and and and they said, yes,
Speaker 2: some of them were true, some of them was substantially true.
Speaker 2: You can find you can find stuff out, and you
Speaker 2: have to use your own your own judgment. At the
Speaker 2: end of the day, who do you trust? You know?
Speaker 2: You just like you. You have a group of people
Speaker 2: who you trust as friends, and you probably know some
Speaker 2: people who you wouldn't want to be within your friendship circle.
Speaker 2: You have to apply that same principle. Got to use
Speaker 2: your gun, got to use your instinct, and and you
Speaker 2: got to you gotta test test your beliefs. Well, thanks, Rachel,
Speaker 2: I very much appreciate that. I really do, and I
Speaker 2: hope I've explained a couple of things that maybe have
Speaker 2: helped a little Tonight, Rachel, I got a scoot because
Speaker 2: they got the ten thirty news looking at me. I
Speaker 2: really appreciate your college always.
Speaker 11: Thank you, God blessed Dan, you too.
Speaker 2: Right back at you, Rachel. Thanks again. Six one, seven, two, five,
Speaker 2: four ten thirty, six seven nine three one, ten thirty.
Speaker 2: This was an important and significant day and I don't
Speaker 2: know that all of you appreciate the magnitude of this day.
Speaker 2: I'm not overstating it, but I'd love to hear your
Speaker 2: reaction again the release of this single hostage who had
Speaker 2: been in Russia for help. Prisoner wrongfully held hostage was
Speaker 2: released and returned to the White House about this time
Speaker 2: last night, and that could be the precursor to the
Speaker 2: ending of the war in Ukraine. I mean, this is
Speaker 2: the sort of thing that that Trump and putin build
Speaker 2: a bridge of trust and reliance. I don't know how
Speaker 2: the war in Ukraine continues much longer. I think President
Speaker 2: Trump has articulated that I would love to hear from you,
Speaker 2: whether you're a supporter of Donald Trump or not. I
Speaker 2: suspect most supporters would be happy with the direction that
Speaker 2: we've sensed in the last twenty four to forty eight hours.
Speaker 2: Maybe there are some people out there who look at
Speaker 2: Trump a little differently now on this. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe some of you feel that Donald Trump is about
Speaker 2: to betray the Ukrainian people. Whatever your point of view,
Speaker 2: I have wide open lines six one, seven, two, five,
Speaker 2: four to ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one,
Speaker 2: ten thirty. We've had great shows this week, and we've
Speaker 2: had great response from callers. Again, I'm not going to
Speaker 2: sit here and talk for an hour and a half.
Speaker 2: If I have to, I will. I want to hear
Speaker 2: from you. Are you more optimistic now that we may
Speaker 2: have an end to did the Ukraine War into the
Speaker 2: slaughter that has gone on now for three years? Are
Speaker 2: you concerned that we're going to be seen as basically
Speaker 2: leaving an ally in a death struggle with Putin? Can
Speaker 2: Donald Trump pull it off? Can Donald Trump get I mean,
Speaker 2: if you talk about two people who hate each other,
Speaker 2: put Putin and Zelensky in the same room, one of
Speaker 2: them's not coming out. You can't do that. But President Trumps,
Speaker 2: I believe. I think somehow, someway, he is going to
Speaker 2: bring these hostilities to a close. Maybe it won't be
Speaker 2: what we considered peace, but maybe the hostilities will come
Speaker 2: to a close. We'll be back on Night's side. Got
Speaker 2: the news here, Let's get it going, coming back right after.
Speaker 1: This night Side with Dan Ray Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2: All Right, I know that there are those of you
Speaker 2: out there who feel that we have to stand by
Speaker 2: Ukraine no matter what, but it's pretty clear that this
Speaker 2: president is not one of those folks. And and he
Speaker 2: you know, he has a point of view. It's very
Speaker 2: different from Joe Biden's point of view. This is Donald
Speaker 2: Trump commenting last night about whether or not the release
Speaker 2: of this US hostage by Putin Mark Fogel might be
Speaker 2: an indicator that there's a way to solve the Russian
Speaker 2: Ukraine war. Cut three B, please Rob, this is the
Speaker 2: beginning of a deal, sir. This is the star.
Speaker 14: I think there's goodwill in terms of the war. You know,
Speaker 14: many and a half soldiers, young people have been killed.
Speaker 15: I've met many.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's uh.
Speaker 14: It's a terrible thing. On we want to get that done.
Speaker 14: I think I think this could be the very important element.
Speaker 14: You could be a big part of it, actually, because
Speaker 14: it could be a big important part of getting the
Speaker 14: war over with Ukraine. And we appreciate President Putin's what
Speaker 14: he what he did. He was able to pull it
Speaker 14: off for you, right, he was able to pull it off.
Speaker 2: We think, and you're here appreciate Putin. I mean, Putin
Speaker 2: was the guy that put Mark Fogel in jail in
Speaker 2: the first time, basically used as a pawn.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 2: There was also a Russian released. Let's get back to
Speaker 2: the calls.
Speaker 16: I do believe that that that we're a lot closer
Speaker 16: to the end of this war tonight than we have
Speaker 16: been at any.
Speaker 2: Time in the last three years. Who's up next, Mike
Speaker 2: and Beverly. Mike next on Night Side, Welcome.
Speaker 8: Hey, can you hear me?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I can hear you. Find Mike. What's your take
Speaker 2: on all of this.
Speaker 8: I think it's a great move. I think it's just
Speaker 8: like like Trump says, YO, know, we've had enough of
Speaker 8: this war stuff, and then nothing is off this situation
Speaker 8: for more dead people, you know, who costs me a
Speaker 8: dollar a dax payer money for a war that that
Speaker 8: if Trump was in office, it would never happen, you know.
Speaker 8: And as far as the situation goes, as far as
Speaker 8: the beast ghast, it's gonna be about minerals. Ukraine has
Speaker 8: minerals that we want, and then there's gonna be uh
Speaker 8: some type of buy in that situation going on. With
Speaker 8: that situation, Dan, that's what I hurt tonight.
Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you this. I don't think Zelensky's
Speaker 2: gonna be thrilled about this situation.
Speaker 8: I understand I can't be drilled, but it's gonna be
Speaker 8: sunded by me, how many how much more people can
Speaker 8: die in this situation? What has grown over? Man's nothing more.
Speaker 8: We're not gonna send me more money. It's all done you,
Speaker 8: I mean, just wrap it up.
Speaker 2: It can know it, you know, right, And again I'm
Speaker 2: not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying it's easy for
Speaker 2: us to say, but it's gonna be a tough pill
Speaker 2: for for Zelensky. And maybe I don't know, maybe the
Speaker 2: Ukrainian people have had it, uh and they want this
Speaker 2: to be over. At the same time, they probably are
Speaker 2: looking back and saying, why did we go through this?
Speaker 2: Particularly if Russia then will will formally get possession of
Speaker 2: crime crimea uh, and also part of eastern Ukraine. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't think Ukraine's coming out of this situation with
Speaker 2: more territory. They're gonna come out of it with less territory.
Speaker 2: And also many, you know, hundreds of top dead soldiers.
Speaker 11: I get it.
Speaker 8: Dan was just thinking of this. Then Charm's been office
Speaker 8: three weeks and I don't know if you're heard I
Speaker 8: president got released today. There was a journalist was.
Speaker 2: There was another American? Uh, maybe they're talking about a
Speaker 2: different person. There was released. There were three people released
Speaker 2: from Belarus, and I think that one of them was
Speaker 2: someone who was involved with Voice of America.
Speaker 11: You know, those are.
Speaker 8: Eleven released in the time trusts been in office. And like,
Speaker 8: what has Joe Biden done in a previous administration? You
Speaker 8: know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, he's President Trump has had a remarkably active
Speaker 2: and a remarkably successful first few weeks in office, There's
Speaker 2: no question about that. But today was a day when
Speaker 2: for the first time he changed his focus towards the
Speaker 2: international sphere, the international stage UH and he now has
Speaker 2: re established himself just today between the trip with the
Speaker 2: Defense Secretary in Europe, telling UH NATO leaders what they
Speaker 2: now have to do to defend themselves and making it
Speaker 2: clear that that Ukraine will never be or at least
Speaker 2: not in the short term a member of NATO. That
Speaker 2: that just the dynamics. Yeah, it's I mean, we both
Speaker 2: see it. We see it the same way. I just
Speaker 2: am always wondering, well, how is this gonna play? How
Speaker 2: is this gonna play? Donald Trump may end up getting
Speaker 2: a Nobel Peace Prize here, trust me alone.
Speaker 8: Another thing tonight, the same thing.
Speaker 15: I know.
Speaker 8: It's remarkable how much he's done, and you watched Tom Saturday.
Speaker 8: I heard tonight that Hamas might be surrendering. You watch
Speaker 8: because of the ten be so much first around the
Speaker 8: area that they're not gonna have no way They're gonna
Speaker 8: have to surrender. Are they gonna be?
Speaker 2: Well, here's the day. I don't think I would be
Speaker 2: very surprised that that. Will see. If that were to happen,
Speaker 2: that's great. I don't know who they would surrender to.
Speaker 2: They have just had hundreds thousands of fighters released, uh
Speaker 2: with the with the in exchange for the Israeli hostages.
Speaker 2: I would be a little skeptical at that prediction. Let
Speaker 2: me let me say that we'll see though, We'll see
Speaker 2: and if if that happens, Mike, I want you to
Speaker 2: call back here and take a victory lap and say Dan,
Speaker 2: I told you so.
Speaker 8: Okay, thanks, So you have a good one.
Speaker 2: You too, Thanks, Mike, appreciate it. All right, We'll keep
Speaker 2: rolling here. I get one line at six one seven, two,
Speaker 2: five four to ten thirty and one line at six
Speaker 2: one seven nine three one ten thirty. Let me say
Speaker 2: those just a little slower six one seven two five
Speaker 2: four ten thirty or six one seven nine three one
Speaker 2: ten thirty, Jim, I, Leen, and John. I'll get to
Speaker 2: you before the end of the hour. I promise, coming
Speaker 2: right back on Nightside.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: nights Side Studios. I'm WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's go to Jim and Raynham. Jim, you were
Speaker 2: next to a Nightside. Appreciate you taking the time to
Speaker 2: call in. Go right ahead. What's your thought on all
Speaker 2: of this?
Speaker 15: Well, Ben, I'm gonna give it to you. As they
Speaker 15: say straight from the show over here, Ukraine will probably
Speaker 15: fall before the summer, and Volimir Zelenski and most of
Speaker 15: his top administration people will be killed. And when this happens,
Speaker 15: and this is the truth of the matter, these things
Speaker 15: don't happen in a vacuum.
Speaker 8: People think this is like, you.
Speaker 15: Know, there's this room in the house and there's this
Speaker 15: thing called Ukraine, and there's this war going on, and
Speaker 15: the people across the street don't have any idea what's
Speaker 15: going on. Well, the people across the street, there's a
Speaker 15: couple of them. When there's this country named China, and
Speaker 15: I predict if Ukraine falls too unprovoked Russian aggression Ukraine specifically,
Speaker 15: let's get some context here, Ukraine's typically did joint military
Speaker 15: maneuvers with Russia and with NATO specifically to show that
Speaker 15: they were neutral, and they didn't, and they specifically said
Speaker 15: we will not join NATO. And when there was talk
Speaker 15: about them joining NATO, when let.
Speaker 2: Me ask you this, Jim, to provide some context, Zelensky
Speaker 2: never said that, did he.
Speaker 15: I understand it, but Zolensky just clarify. But Zolensky specifically said,
Speaker 15: we're doing joint military exercises with NATO and with Russia
Speaker 15: to show our neutrality.
Speaker 9: Yep.
Speaker 15: And he's specific and I believe he was on the
Speaker 15: record as saying that Ukraine was not going to seek
Speaker 15: membership in NATO. There was no reason to because they
Speaker 15: believed Russia would respect their territorial imperative. And then when
Speaker 15: there was talk about Ukraine joining Russia in NATO, and
Speaker 15: it was just talk, and it was something that Putin
Speaker 15: said he had heard. So that's why they invaded Ukraine.
Speaker 8: But not to quibble over those things.
Speaker 15: The fact of the matter is is it was naked aggression, unprovoked,
Speaker 15: unjustified under any tenet of international law.
Speaker 2: I agreed. So I want you to get to the
Speaker 2: to your main point.
Speaker 15: Go ahead, all right, Well, main point is is if
Speaker 15: Ukraine falls, then I predict that China will invade Taiwan
Speaker 15: within two years. Korea will invade South Korea within two years,
Speaker 15: and Trump will do.
Speaker 11: Nothing to stop them.
Speaker 15: Okay, and you're looking at possibly World War three because
Speaker 15: Japan will probably get involved if North Korea aided by
Speaker 15: the Chinese, because they believe the United States will not
Speaker 15: act to save South Korea. All right, And as far
Speaker 15: as the money goes for the for the for the
Speaker 15: Ukraine War and the American support Court, I'll leave you
Speaker 15: with this. I would like anyone to call in and
Speaker 15: say to me that they believe there's a credible threat
Speaker 15: that America will face a land based military invasion and
Speaker 15: that's why we need that stuff. And it's already been
Speaker 15: paid for, so it isn't costing us to anything to
Speaker 15: send it to Ukraine to defend themselves.
Speaker 2: Well, we still have to replace what we sent, so
Speaker 2: I mean, and there were times during we.
Speaker 15: Had Dan We're not going to be invaded. Why do
Speaker 15: we need those weapons?
Speaker 2: No, I'm just telling you that. I'm telling you that
Speaker 2: that we we did replace that that weaponry, whether whether
Speaker 2: you like it or not. It's we do not deplete
Speaker 2: our stock and not replace it. All right, Look, Jim,
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. I think that the argument could also
Speaker 2: go the other way, and that is that if if
Speaker 2: Putin gets what he wants here and feels he's a
Speaker 2: little bit more protected, he's concerned about Russia, uh, he
Speaker 2: then might be able to we and we accommodate him.
Speaker 2: Trump might be thinking that maybe Putin can can put
Speaker 2: pressure on either China or North Korea to back off
Speaker 2: any designs they might have on on time on or
Speaker 2: on South Korea. But we'll see how it plays out.
Speaker 2: We'll see how it plays out, Jim. Interesting theory. Let's
Speaker 2: see if people react.
Speaker 11: We don't agree, Dan, I know.
Speaker 2: We don't agree, but that's what this shows about Jim.
Speaker 16: Uh.
Speaker 2: And I want to see if people calling and say,
Speaker 2: Jim's right, you put it out there and thank you
Speaker 2: for doing so.
Speaker 15: Thank you much, thank you, Thank you, Dan, have a
Speaker 15: great night.
Speaker 2: Thank you, John and Pavity. John next on Nightsager. Right ahead, Okay,
Speaker 2: I don't hear John. We can put John on hold.
Speaker 2: Come back to John in a moment. Let me go
Speaker 2: to Eileen. Eileen Next on Nightsager, right ahead, Eileen.
Speaker 10: Well, I am I think, uh that yes, maybe Trump
Speaker 10: should get the Nobel Peace Prize. I mean, I'm not
Speaker 10: uh sure that we should ever. I mean, I'm not
Speaker 10: as knowledgeable as the person you just spoke to. But
Speaker 10: I just look at the pictures of destruction in in
Speaker 10: the Ukraine, and how how can that what? What good
Speaker 10: has that done? I just I really, I am, I
Speaker 10: I don't I just don't understand why.
Speaker 2: Well, let me try, let me try to explain it.
Speaker 2: I think that that Putin was very concerned about the
Speaker 2: growing independence of Ukraine. Ukraine used to be obviously part
Speaker 2: of the Soviet Union, and when the Soviet Union fell apart,
Speaker 2: Putin said it was the greatest disaster of the twentieth
Speaker 2: century that the Soviet Union dissolved, And so he looks
Speaker 2: at everything through that lens, and he felt that if
Speaker 2: he could take back or reassert control of Ukraine, it
Speaker 2: would go a long way into restoring the glory of
Speaker 2: the Soviet Union, and maybe he could piece the Soviet
Speaker 2: Union back together. I don't think he'll ever be able
Speaker 2: to do that, but if he feels at the end
Speaker 2: of the day here that he got some sort of
Speaker 2: a victory from Ukraine, meaning Crimea, which Ukraine still claims
Speaker 2: Russia took from Meia by force in twenty fourteen when
Speaker 2: Obama was president, and they took eastern Ukraine the so
Speaker 2: called Dombas region when Biden was president. If somehow someway
Speaker 2: He's allowed to keep those two territories, he can say, well,
Speaker 2: it was worth it. I think that's what this is
Speaker 2: all about. And I think that's the concessions that President
Speaker 2: Trump will have to force Zelinsky to accept. Tough thing
Speaker 2: for Zelinsky and the Ukrainian people to swallow. But I
Speaker 2: think we're seeing the beginning of that plan in the
Speaker 2: in the last twenty four to forty eight hours.
Speaker 10: Okay, Well, I just think it's horrible when I see.
Speaker 2: Or everybody so much. Yeah, and for what end. I mean,
Speaker 2: maybe they could have they could have avoided all of
Speaker 2: the bloodshed if Ukraine was counseled three years ago to
Speaker 2: surrender a little portionately. And I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's it's it's way beyond my pay grade. And I
Speaker 2: can only tell you what I think, and sometimes my
Speaker 2: thinking changes. I know that there's going to be a
Speaker 2: lot of people in this country who are going to
Speaker 2: be thrilled that that war is over, and there are
Speaker 2: a lot of people in this country who are not
Speaker 2: going to be that war is over.
Speaker 10: Well, I'm I'm one of those who thrilled because I.
Speaker 12: Really did it great.
Speaker 2: All right, Thanks, I appreciate the call. Thank you so much.
Speaker 10: Okay, all right, thanks Dan.
Speaker 2: Let me try to get back to John and Peeby.
Speaker 2: Don't know where John was before, but hopefully he's back now, John,
Speaker 2: go right ahead.
Speaker 11: Yeah, okay, Dan, I was saying hello, Hello, But that's
Speaker 11: a cell phone world.
Speaker 2: Well you might have you probably had as speed. I
Speaker 2: bet you had me on speakerphone and then you hit
Speaker 2: the mute button. But that that's that's that's in the past.
Speaker 2: Let's go. Uh, what would you like to say? All
Speaker 2: is god? John?
Speaker 11: I think there's one important factor here that hasn't been
Speaker 11: discussed good and that is oil. Uh and inflation. Inflation
Speaker 11: report today was not good. Trump's tariffs. Even Trump must
Speaker 11: realize that tariffs are horribly inflationary, and he would like
Speaker 11: to lower the cost of energy. So if Russia could
Speaker 11: be brought back into the fold of civilized countries and
Speaker 11: the restrictions would come off exports of energy, oil and
Speaker 11: gas to Western Europe. It would diminish energy prices, which
Speaker 11: would serve Trump's interest in trying to be an inflation hero.
Speaker 2: So yeah, which is in the interest of all of us.
Speaker 2: By the way oil today was done, I think a
Speaker 2: buck and a half. It's seventy one dollars a barrel.
Speaker 2: I never want to see it back up to one
Speaker 2: point fifty as it was at one point. Let's keep it,
Speaker 2: Let's keep it below seventy if we can.
Speaker 11: So. I think in analyzing or considering what Trump may
Speaker 11: force Ukraine to do, and maybe it isn't as fair
Speaker 11: an outcome for Ukraine, and we tend to be sympathetic
Speaker 11: to Ukraine. Just I guess my point is, don't forget
Speaker 11: that there's any energy advantage to the United States. And
Speaker 11: if if, if Ukraine and Zelensky have to take a
Speaker 11: lump that they don't like to take, I think Trump
Speaker 11: would say, well, okay, too bad for them, But look
Speaker 11: what's happening to the oil, and that's good for me.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, I think I think that that could be
Speaker 2: very much a motivating factor here. But we're going to
Speaker 2: see this play out, and I think it's going to
Speaker 2: be fascinating to watch and if it does end the
Speaker 2: hostilities and it saves some people lives, he very well
Speaker 2: might be in line for the for the Nobel Peace Prize.
Speaker 2: As to Boot, So, I mean, who could who would
Speaker 2: have imagined? I mean, Joe Biden must be sitting home
Speaker 2: in Delaware saying everything is breaking Trump's way right now,
Speaker 2: and I think it is.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm I'm sure that that's exactly what what Biden.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Hey, John, thanks so much much. Do me a
Speaker 2: favor become a more regular caller. I enjoyed the spin
Speaker 2: you put on it, and it's interesting you took us
Speaker 2: in a different direction, and that's what this show should
Speaker 2: be all about. All points of view and welcome. Thanks Sean,
Speaker 2: appreciate it. I'll tell you that, talk to you soon.
Speaker 2: All right. To those in the line, Tim and Rick,
Speaker 2: you guys stay there. If not, folks know what the
Speaker 2: numbers are, I don't even have to tell you. This
Speaker 2: is what I'd like to talk about between now and midnight.
Speaker 2: I want to keep us ahead of the curve. I
Speaker 2: think that we are beginning to move very quickly toward
Speaker 2: an end to hostilities, maybe not peace, but an end
Speaker 2: to hostilities in Ukraine. And I think it might happen
Speaker 2: more quickly than any of us can imagine. What do
Speaker 2: you have to say back on NIGHTSID after this