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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>night Side Studios on w b Z the news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, I just want to say thank you to the

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<v Speaker 2>principal of Westwood High School, Amy Davenport, and math teacher

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<v Speaker 2>beyond mahegan financial literacy that is now a required course

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<v Speaker 2>at that high school. And as I say, you can

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<v Speaker 2>listen if you only caught the end of the conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>Rob will have that hour posted probably sometime when I

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<v Speaker 2>say early this morning. Rob's works later than I do.

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<v Speaker 2>He works until three am in the morning, and part

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<v Speaker 2>of his job is to post the hours that are

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<v Speaker 2>on Nightside so you can listen to that hour. It

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<v Speaker 2>will be posted as tonight's nine o'clock hour. And following

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<v Speaker 2>along on the issue of financial literacy tomorrow night, we

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<v Speaker 2>will be joined by CPA Mark Misselbeck. Mark has been

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<v Speaker 2>our guest now at this time of year for several years.

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<v Speaker 2>I think one of the first times we have Mark

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<v Speaker 2>on was back in twenty ten. He has an ability

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<v Speaker 2>to literally to answer any question about the Internal Revenue

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<v Speaker 2>Code and if you have any tax questions for him,

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<v Speaker 2>from the more elementary questions to the most sophisticated questions,

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<v Speaker 2>Mark will be available beginning at nine o'clock tomorrow night,

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<v Speaker 2>and we've had him years stay for a couple of hours.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's important. One of the things that you

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<v Speaker 2>have to be thinking about, whether you like it or not,

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<v Speaker 2>is that April fifteenth is around the corner. It'll be well,

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<v Speaker 2>it's really only on what two weeks from two months

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<v Speaker 2>from this weekend, and that is the time of reckoning

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<v Speaker 2>with the irs, and hopefully you've withheld enough money so

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<v Speaker 2>that you get some money coming back. But either way

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<v Speaker 2>you have to square up with the IRS or else

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<v Speaker 2>request an extension, which is they're pretty easy to get.

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<v Speaker 2>But we can go through all of that tomorrow night

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<v Speaker 2>with Mark Misselbeck, and he will be with us tomorrow

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<v Speaker 2>night at nine o'clock. Now, today was a very busy

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<v Speaker 2>day for the Trump administration. Late last night, President Trump

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<v Speaker 2>greeted an American who had been held hostage in Russia

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<v Speaker 2>for several years. His name was Mark Fogel. He's a

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<v Speaker 2>high school teacher who was I guess visiting Moscow and

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<v Speaker 2>he was arrested because he had medical marijuana, prescription drugs

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<v Speaker 2>medical marijuana in his suitcase. And he has served several

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<v Speaker 2>years in Russian prisons. And there's interesting backstory to it

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<v Speaker 2>that the day that Donald Trump was shot in Butler, Pennsylvania,

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<v Speaker 2>this gentleman Mark Fogel's mom, who is ninety five years old,

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<v Speaker 2>actually met the president before that rally, before the president

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<v Speaker 2>was shot, and he promise as to her that he

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<v Speaker 2>would do whatever he could to get Mark Fogel out.

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<v Speaker 2>He had lingered in a prison there for a long

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<v Speaker 2>for for many many years, and Trudeau's word, he did

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<v Speaker 2>get him out. As a matter of fact, that story

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<v Speaker 2>was told today on CNN by Mark Fogel's sister Rob.

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<v Speaker 2>This is cut number four. I just want to play

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<v Speaker 2>this for people. Ian Fogel on CNN today with Aaron

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<v Speaker 2>Burnette cut for place. My mother went to the Trump

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<v Speaker 2>rally and saw President Trump shortly before he was.

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<v Speaker 3>Shot and Butler, right, Butler, crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>Turn of events.

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<v Speaker 2>And he told her then that if he was if

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<v Speaker 2>he was elected, he was going to get him out.

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<v Speaker 5>And the man was true to his word.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And so there's another Americans unidentified who has been

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<v Speaker 2>released by Belarus, which is a country that has very

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<v Speaker 2>close relations with who also today, President Trump talked with

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<v Speaker 2>Putin on the telephone for an hour and a half.

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<v Speaker 2>He also talked with President Zelenski of Ukraine and there

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<v Speaker 2>seems to be some progress that is being made potentially there.

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<v Speaker 2>And in addition, you have President Trump who has issued

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<v Speaker 2>once again an ultimatum to Hamas. This is cut number

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<v Speaker 2>twenty six rob about the release of all the Israeli

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<v Speaker 2>hostages that Hamas continues to hold. Cut twenty six rub No.

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<v Speaker 6>I would say, Saturday at twelve, we want them all back.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm speaking for myself. Israel can override it, but from myself,

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<v Speaker 6>Saturday at twelve o'clock and that if they're not here,

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<v Speaker 6>all hell is going to break out.

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<v Speaker 2>And a reporter followed up on that, and well, the

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<v Speaker 2>reporter basically asked President Trump what he meant by all

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<v Speaker 2>hell is going to break loose? I think I know

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<v Speaker 2>what he meant. Cut twenty seven rup say, Old, the

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<v Speaker 2>hell is.

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<v Speaker 5>Going to break loose?

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<v Speaker 4>Are you speaking about retaliation from you?

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<v Speaker 6>You'll find out and they'll find out too. Hamas will

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<v Speaker 6>find out what I mean. They're gonna find out what

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<v Speaker 6>I mean. These are second people and they'll find out

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<v Speaker 6>what I mean. Saturday or twelve.

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<v Speaker 2>I think President Trump also today talked about being being

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<v Speaker 2>moved by the appearance of the hostages who have been released.

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<v Speaker 2>This has cut twenty eight A.

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<v Speaker 7>Rob hamas has been a disaster. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 7>I have to tell you that I watched the hostages

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<v Speaker 7>come back today and they look like Holocaust survivors. They

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<v Speaker 7>were in horrible condition. They were emaciated. It looked like

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<v Speaker 7>many years ago, the Holocaust survivors. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 7>how much longer we can take that. When I watched that,

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<v Speaker 7>I know we have a deal. What was it ust

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<v Speaker 6>They dribble in and keep dribbling in, but they are

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<v Speaker 6>in really bad shape. They have been treated brutally horribly.

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<v Speaker 7>Even the ones that came out earlier they were a little.

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<v Speaker 6>Bit better shaped, but mentally they were treated so badly.

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<v Speaker 6>Who could take that?

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<v Speaker 7>You know, at some point we're gonna lose our patients.

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<v Speaker 2>He finished that comment. This was a comment that he

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<v Speaker 2>made over the weekend. This is this is about forty

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<v Speaker 2>seconds Robins cut twenty eight B.

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<v Speaker 7>When I see that scene that I saw it today

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<v Speaker 7>with people coming out of helicopters and airplanes that are emaciated,

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<v Speaker 7>month for no reason for that, And I don't know

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<v Speaker 7>how much longer we can take it.

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<v Speaker 8>Do you mean you want to be cast?

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know how long we can take it. When

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<v Speaker 7>I watch people that were healthy people a reasonably short

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<v Speaker 7>number of years ago, and you look at them today,

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<v Speaker 7>they look like they've aged twenty five years. They they

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<v Speaker 7>literally looked like the old pictures of holocausts. It's the

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<v Speaker 7>same thing. I mean, the same thing.

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<v Speaker 6>And I don't know how long we're gonna take that.

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<v Speaker 2>So President Trump, again last weekend and also again today,

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<v Speaker 2>has basically laid down a marker hamas has now been unnoticed.

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<v Speaker 2>Today's Wednesday. Let's see what happens Saturday at noontime. He's

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<v Speaker 2>not specified whether he means noontime Middle East time, on

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<v Speaker 2>noontime Washington d C Time. So we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about that. Today was really I thought, a coming out day,

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<v Speaker 2>if you will, for him on the international stage. That,

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<v Speaker 2>in addition to what his secretary of Defense said about Ukraine,

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<v Speaker 2>will get to all of that. Basically, a huge change

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<v Speaker 2>in America's foreign policy was executed today, both in Washington

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<v Speaker 2>and in Europe. My name is Dan Ray. If you'd

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<v Speaker 2>like to get on board, early six, seven thirty or six, one, seven, nine,

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<v Speaker 2>ten thirty back on Nightside right after this, it's with

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Ray.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm telling you Easy Boston's news Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if you were following the Trump administration, your head

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<v Speaker 2>is I'm sure spinning because there's been so much done.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently there's every day, it seems as if there's some

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<v Speaker 2>news of a substantial nature. Today most of it was

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<v Speaker 2>international news. Now, apparently there was a late decision today

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<v Speaker 2>by the federal judge here in Boston, Georgia O'Toole, to

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<v Speaker 2>allow the voluntary resignations of federal workers to proceed. I

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<v Speaker 2>was listening. I think it was Nicole's newscast said that

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<v Speaker 2>the judge had found that the unions who were the

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<v Speaker 2>plaintiffs in the case, who had sought relief on behalf

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<v Speaker 2>of their membership Judge O tru five, they did not

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<v Speaker 2>have standing. So again that's going to go on. There's

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<v Speaker 2>the big stories today though, were that all of a

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<v Speaker 2>sudden we find out that President Trump and President Putin

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<v Speaker 2>of Russia had a ninety minute phone call, and after that,

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump talked to Vladimir Zelensky, and well the President

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<v Speaker 2>talked about Ukraine. And I think that today is the

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<v Speaker 2>day that the official US policy towards Ukraine changed the

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<v Speaker 2>The Biden administration was supportive, but was not maybe as

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<v Speaker 2>fully supportive as Zelensky might have wanted. But the Trump administration,

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<v Speaker 2>I think is making it pretty clear that they want

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<v Speaker 2>to negotiate an end of the war, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be my It's going to be probably

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<v Speaker 2>on terms that Zelensky's not going to be happy with.

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<v Speaker 2>Ukraine has some portion of territory in Russia. I suspect

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<v Speaker 2>that there will be pressure put upon him to get

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<v Speaker 2>out of the Krisk region. Well, at the same time, Russia,

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<v Speaker 2>I suspect will be allowed to keep Crimea and also

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<v Speaker 2>some of the territory in eastern Ukraine, the so called

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<v Speaker 2>Dumbas region. Again, I'm not an expert on that war.

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<v Speaker 2>The Ukrainians have fought valiantly for three years with our encouragement,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that at the end of the day

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<v Speaker 2>here it's going to end up. Ukraine will survive. There

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<v Speaker 2>was There's a lot going on in my senses that

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<v Speaker 2>that there will be a conclusion here that some Americans

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<v Speaker 2>will welcome, but there will be a lot of Americans

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<v Speaker 2>who will look look at this and say this is

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<v Speaker 2>a complete change. Also in Europe today, the new Secretary

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<v Speaker 2>of Defense, Secretary Hegseth, made it very clear that whatever

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<v Speaker 2>negotiations occurred, there would be no path for Ukraine to

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<v Speaker 2>NATO membership. So there's a lot. There's a lot going

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<v Speaker 2>on here in the in the last few days. The

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<v Speaker 2>the release of the American hostage Mark Bogel, I think

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<v Speaker 2>is a an indicator that that Putin is willing to

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<v Speaker 2>make some concessions. It certainly would be something that we

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<v Speaker 2>welcome as Americans, but it might not augur all that

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<v Speaker 2>well for Ukraine. This is Vogel in the Oval Office

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<v Speaker 2>with President Trump last night. This is cut number one, Rob.

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<v Speaker 2>If you'd be so kind, I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like the luckiest man on earth right now.

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<v Speaker 5>And I want you to know that I am not

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<v Speaker 5>a hero in this at all. And President Trump, this

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<v Speaker 5>is a hero. These men that came from the Diplomatics

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<v Speaker 5>Service are heroes. The senators and representatives a past legislation

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<v Speaker 5>in my honor to get me home are the heroes.

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<v Speaker 5>I am in awe of what they all did.

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<v Speaker 2>But he would not be home if it was not

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<v Speaker 2>for put Rules with an iron hand. Now is this

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps a harbinger that Putin and Trump maybe have a

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<v Speaker 2>relationship which can annure to the benefit of peace. Whether

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<v Speaker 2>that annures to the benefit of Ukraine might be another question,

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<v Speaker 2>But apparently, according to President Trump, they have agreed to

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps both visit each other's countries to see Putin back

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<v Speaker 2>in Washington or Trump or President Trump in Moscow. I

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<v Speaker 2>position today. I'm gonna get to phone calls. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to short change anyone, but let me get Brian

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<v Speaker 2>in before the break. Here, Brian, you're the first up.

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<v Speaker 2>Brian is in New Hampshire. Brian, what do you think

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<v Speaker 2>is going on? Hello? Hello, Brian, are you there? Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>Let's put Brian on hold. Rob put Brian on hold in.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go to the commercial break and we'll take him.

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<v Speaker 2>Right after the break, we'll coming back on Nightside if

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<v Speaker 2>you like to join us. The only lines that are

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<v Speaker 2>open right now are six, one, seven, two, five, four thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's go back to the phone calls. I guess

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<v Speaker 2>we had a misnamed caller, so it's not Brian, it's

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<v Speaker 2>actually Bernie from New Hampshire. Bernie, welcome. How are you, sir?

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<v Speaker 9>I'm fine, Dan.

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<v Speaker 10>How are you tonight?

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<v Speaker 2>Doing great? Bernie? What's your taking? What's been going on

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<v Speaker 2>in the last twenty four hours? It would make my

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<v Speaker 9>All right, thank you for taking my calling, and thoughly

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<v Speaker 9>enjoy listening to your show every night, sir. But I

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<v Speaker 9>think he's just trying to make two points. As we

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<v Speaker 9>all know kind of that he's an isolationist to a point,

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<v Speaker 9>and he's showing that with the Russian conflict, with the

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<v Speaker 9>Ukraine conflict, that he doesn't want to put American soldiers

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<v Speaker 9>in Ham's way over something that he believes is that

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<v Speaker 9>a stalemate now, and he's taken a pragmatic approach to

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<v Speaker 9>it to to just see what he can get to

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<v Speaker 9>get it to stop, so that we don't get the

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<v Speaker 9>whole world doesn't get involved in it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're right, but it is. It's a it's

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<v Speaker 2>a real sea change in terms of where we were.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the Biden administration held back on some weapons

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<v Speaker 2>that Zelensky wanted, but the Biden administration was pretty supportive

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<v Speaker 2>of Ukraine and from Ukraine's perspective. All of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>the US, which was their biggest supporter, now is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be probably pushing them towards a ceasefire initially and

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<v Speaker 2>then eventually a peace agreement with Putin and be interested

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<v Speaker 2>in how that plays with Zelensky and how it plays

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<v Speaker 2>in Ukraine. And they're not going to be in position

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<v Speaker 2>probably much of a position to fight against it, if

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 9>Absolutely absolutely, And he's and he's a show in his

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<v Speaker 9>strength with the Middle East conflict and that it is

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, it's a terrible situation in Ukraine, we all

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<v Speaker 9>agree in that, but in the Middle East, they're they're

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<v Speaker 9>just He's he's showing the world that that that terrorists,

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<v Speaker 9>organized organizations just cannot take hold of the world. Now, now,

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<v Speaker 9>let's all face it. Israel rose from the ashes of

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<v Speaker 9>this of this this conflict, and and and and showed

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<v Speaker 9>the world how strong they truly are, and the US

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<v Speaker 9>backed them, and then and they backed them and then

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<v Speaker 9>and now Trump's telling them, hey, We're not going to

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<v Speaker 9>be held hostage by your type of organizations. If we

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<v Speaker 9>have we will do what we have to do to

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<v Speaker 9>ensure that people cannot be treated like that not saying

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<v Speaker 9>that the people in Ukraine, but we we you know

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<v Speaker 9>what's going on in the Middle East. The way they

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<v Speaker 9>treated these sausages, these were these were peaceful people going

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<v Speaker 9>and they and and they just came in and they

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<v Speaker 9>took over. And it was well planned. And Hamas and

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<v Speaker 9>the whole Middle East thought they they got what they wanted.

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<v Speaker 9>They do they dorew everyone into that conflict, but they

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<v Speaker 9>thought it was gonna turn out different. And what happened was.

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<v Speaker 2>What what is what does President Trump do if if

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<v Speaker 2>Hamas uh it doesn't release all the hostages by noon

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<v Speaker 2>on Saturday. He's kind of done that red line in

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<v Speaker 2>the sand thing that President Obama did. And what I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he gave himself a little bit of wiggle room today

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<v Speaker 2>because he did say that he could be overridden by

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<v Speaker 2>net Yahoo. But I assume that he knows what Netanya

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<v Speaker 9>Absolutely they you know what nat and Yahoo when this

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<v Speaker 9>first started, they said, you want you want to bring

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<v Speaker 9>you want to bring this down. He was gonna rain

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<v Speaker 11>They did.

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<v Speaker 9>They rose up and took him a bit, but they

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<v Speaker 9>rose up and they showed the world their metal, their metal,

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<v Speaker 9>and they were made as one of the strongest, smallest

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<v Speaker 9>fighting forces in the world. And they know that the

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<v Speaker 9>US has proofs in the Middle East.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, they took out the leadership of a moss they

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<v Speaker 2>out leaders of Iran when they were in Lebanon. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>they have risen from the ashes. Bernie, I appreciate your call.

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<v Speaker 2>Please keep calling the show and keep listening. I appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>your loyalty. Thanks, Bernie, Thank you. Have a great night.

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<v Speaker 2>Marty is in Florida. Marty, you're next to the nightside.

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<v Speaker 2>Your thoughts on what's been going on the last twenty

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<v Speaker 2>four or so hours here. It's been an interesting, well

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<v Speaker 2>interesting twenty four hours.

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<v Speaker 12>Well the thing that mostly I had tears in my

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<v Speaker 12>eyes when I saw Tulsie Gabbut being confirmed because first

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<v Speaker 12>of all, she jumped ship and she proved that she's

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<v Speaker 12>not a person belongs to a party. But she's an American.

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<v Speaker 12>We remember, Wow, she was put on a no fly

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<v Speaker 12>I also was very impressed when I saw that Pambondi

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<v Speaker 12>was wasn't she swearing in Tulsa Gabbert. Also, I heard

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<v Speaker 12>something silly today on another radio network where they said,

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<v Speaker 12>I think the idea of buying this may be digressing,

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<v Speaker 12>but buying Greenland is silly. But then I heard on

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<v Speaker 12>another station that a few hundred thousand people in Denmark

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<v Speaker 12>want to buy California. So it's getting to be like

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<v Speaker 12>a joke whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's a little off topic here, but let's get

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<v Speaker 2>back to the moment in Sorry, it seems to me

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<v Speaker 2>that we have a sea change in our foreign policy now.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't surprise me, but clearly Ukraine tonight must feel

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<v Speaker 2>on a lot less solid foundation with the United States

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<v Speaker 2>based upon what Hexath said in Europe today and what

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump has said about his relationship and his phone

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<v Speaker 2>call with Putin.

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<v Speaker 13>Well, we feel that, I mean in this household, we

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<v Speaker 13>feel that the Ukrainians had something on Joe Biden and

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<v Speaker 13>he was he was not giving them any guidance, any tutelage.

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<v Speaker 12>He was just it was in a way, it was

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<v Speaker 12>like giving some extortion money. I think the Ukrainian I

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<v Speaker 12>don't buy.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't buy that. And again, unless you can prove it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's well your opinion. Thank you for telling me it's

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<v Speaker 2>your opinion. But how how do you feel Zelinsky is

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<v Speaker 2>going to respond to this? I mean, Zelinsky is sort

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<v Speaker 2>of the you got, you know, two superpowers, Russia and

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<v Speaker 2>the US are going to in effect decide the fate

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<v Speaker 2>of his country. He's not going to like this.

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<v Speaker 12>Well, he's probably not going to like it. And one

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<v Speaker 12>thing we've learned from this situation is that the Ukrainians

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<v Speaker 12>are very tough and this war could go on forever,

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<v Speaker 12>could actually go on forever. So I like the idea

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<v Speaker 12>of Donald Trump using his magic to say, let's talk,

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<v Speaker 12>all right, because a lot of Russians and a lot

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<v Speaker 12>of Ukrainians dying, okay, and nobody wanted. I don't have

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<v Speaker 12>anything against Russians, so I'd like peace. But I do

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<v Speaker 12>make a comparison between this and Neville Chamberlain nineteen thirty eight,

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<v Speaker 12>when they gave up Czechoslovakia peace in our time and

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<v Speaker 12>it didn't do anything. So I'm gonna say Neville Chamberlain

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<v Speaker 12>is Joe Biden and Donald Trump is doing a hell

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<v Speaker 2>And I believe if if you want to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I don't think Biden was Neville Chamberlain. Biden

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<v Speaker 2>provided the support that Zelensky needed. Now, he didn't give

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<v Speaker 2>Zelensky everything Zelensky wanted at the time Lelensky wanted it,

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<v Speaker 2>but he gave him. He gave him enough to keep

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<v Speaker 2>help keep Ukraine in the game. And as a matter

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<v Speaker 2>of fact, Ukraine now occupies part of Russia's territory and

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<v Speaker 2>what's called the I.

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<v Speaker 12>Was seriously worried that we might give them weapons, which

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<v Speaker 12>would Russia would say, we're going to remember they talked

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<v Speaker 12>originally about using tactical nuclear all right, and if people

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<v Speaker 12>all right, no.

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<v Speaker 2>Question, No, I don't think there's any question about that one. Marty, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for your calling. I appreciate your point of view.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Marty, talk.

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<v Speaker 12>Later, good program as always, Thank.

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<v Speaker 2>You, Thank you very much, appreciate it. Let me go

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<v Speaker 2>to Rachel. Rachel, You're next on Nightside. Welcome.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh hey, Dan, I've been listening and I'm like, wow.

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<v Speaker 4>And when I called in, I said to Rob, I said,

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<v Speaker 4>I really would love.

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<v Speaker 3>To hear what Seeing's opinion is of It's this whole

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<v Speaker 3>thing and I and I know you listen to everybody's opinion, but.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think, Well, I look at it as

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm commenting on it as the Trump administration, when

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<v Speaker 2>when you know President Trump was running for office, I

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<v Speaker 2>think everyone knew that that he is much He's more

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<v Speaker 2>in a tradition of an isolationist Republican, Okay, and that

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<v Speaker 2>is where he is here. And I think he feels

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<v Speaker 2>that he can deal with Putin and that he'd rather

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<v Speaker 2>deal with him strategically and economically and not militarily. And

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<v Speaker 2>at this point Ukraine is I think, going to be

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<v Speaker 2>the odd man out here. I don't think that Trump

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<v Speaker 2>would allow Putin to get into Ukraine and take the

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<v Speaker 2>country over, But I think he's going to prevail upon

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<v Speaker 2>Putin to agree to some terms to end the war,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think is going to be more favorable Russia

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<v Speaker 2>than they are to Ukraine, to be honest with you,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly in view of the loss of life that you

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, Ukraine has. They're fought valiantly for three years,

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<v Speaker 2>but we in America are not. Are never in it

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<v Speaker 2>for the long haul, as we found out in Vietnam

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<v Speaker 2>and as we found out in the Middle East. In

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<v Speaker 2>Afghanistan and Iraq. We go in there with guns blazing,

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<v Speaker 2>and once once things get bogged down, support for the

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<v Speaker 2>for the effort leaves. And I think, remember three years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody had Ukrainian flags on their car, or on their house,

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<v Speaker 2>or on the fence around the house. You don't see

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<v Speaker 2>much of those Ukrainian flags anymore. Yeah, And I think

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<v Speaker 2>that Trump is right the room, and I think that

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<v Speaker 2>people are gonna He's going to come out of it

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<v Speaker 2>as the peacemaker he made. Trump may win a Nobel

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<v Speaker 2>Peace Prize if he can get Zelenski and Putin, who

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<v Speaker 2>hate each other, to agree to cease cease this war

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<v Speaker 2>and this war and cease hostilities.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, and I agree in I'm like, I'm not a

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<v Speaker 4>political person, but I'm like, you know, definitely not a

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<v Speaker 2>No, I understand, and and I've talked to you before.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that you pretty much are a Trump person.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that at this point, for this war

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<v Speaker 2>to continue into the fourth year, we're coming up of

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<v Speaker 2>the third anniversary, who benefits from that? I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>anyone does. And I think that the terms of the

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<v Speaker 2>agreement is that Ukraine will have to withdraw from the

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<v Speaker 2>Russian territory they now occupy. And I think Ukraine is

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<v Speaker 2>going to have to give up any hope and aspiration

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<v Speaker 2>of reclaiming Crimea or reclaiming, reclaiming, reclaiming that portion that

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<v Speaker 2>Russia initially invaded in the eastern portion of Ukraine. Ukraine

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<v Speaker 2>loses territory but remains in theory an independent nation, but

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<v Speaker 2>and with no hope of joining NATO. I mean that

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<v Speaker 2>that option was taken off the table today by the

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<v Speaker 4>May I ask you something so and I get, you

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<v Speaker 4>know what, I am not like a Facebook person whatever,

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<v Speaker 4>but I get a lot of like whatever the fake

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<v Speaker 4>news for acts, you know what I mean, stuff that's

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<v Speaker 4>not true. It's like, who do you believe?

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<v Speaker 10>That's the whole well, you have to believe.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty simple, Rachel. I think you have to get

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<v Speaker 2>out of whatever ilo you might be in, and you've

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<v Speaker 2>got to look at points of view that you agree

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<v Speaker 2>with and points of view disagree with. And then there

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<v Speaker 2>are uh newspapers that have fact checking and do it legitimately.

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<v Speaker 7>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>I talked last night about the Washington Post doing some

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<v Speaker 2>fact checking on the claims of excesses of the us

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<v Speaker 2>ai AI D Agency uh and and and they said, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>some of them were true, some of them was substantially true.

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<v Speaker 2>You can find you can find stuff out, and you

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<v Speaker 2>have to use your own your own judgment. At the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the day, who do you trust? You know?

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<v Speaker 2>You just like you. You have a group of people

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<v Speaker 2>who you trust as friends, and you probably know some

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<v Speaker 2>people who you wouldn't want to be within your friendship circle.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to apply that same principle. Got to use

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<v Speaker 2>your gun, got to use your instinct, and and you

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<v Speaker 2>got to you gotta test test your beliefs. Well, thanks, Rachel,

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<v Speaker 2>I very much appreciate that. I really do, and I

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<v Speaker 2>hope I've explained a couple of things that maybe have

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<v Speaker 2>helped a little Tonight, Rachel, I got a scoot because

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<v Speaker 2>they got the ten thirty news looking at me. I

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<v Speaker 2>really appreciate your college always.

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<v Speaker 11>Thank you, God blessed Dan, you too.

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<v Speaker 2>Right back at you, Rachel. Thanks again. Six one, seven, two, five,

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<v Speaker 2>four ten thirty, six seven nine three one, ten thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>This was an important and significant day and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know that all of you appreciate the magnitude of this day.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not overstating it, but I'd love to hear your

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<v Speaker 2>reaction again the release of this single hostage who had

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<v Speaker 2>been in Russia for help. Prisoner wrongfully held hostage was

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<v Speaker 2>released and returned to the White House about this time

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<v Speaker 2>last night, and that could be the precursor to the

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<v Speaker 2>ending of the war in Ukraine. I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 2>the sort of thing that that Trump and putin build

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<v Speaker 2>a bridge of trust and reliance. I don't know how

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<v Speaker 2>the war in Ukraine continues much longer. I think President

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<v Speaker 2>Trump has articulated that I would love to hear from you,

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<v Speaker 2>whether you're a supporter of Donald Trump or not. I

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<v Speaker 2>suspect most supporters would be happy with the direction that

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<v Speaker 2>we've sensed in the last twenty four to forty eight hours.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe there are some people out there who look at

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<v Speaker 2>Trump a little differently now on this. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe some of you feel that Donald Trump is about

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<v Speaker 2>to betray the Ukrainian people. Whatever your point of view,

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<v Speaker 2>I have wide open lines six one, seven, two, five,

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<v Speaker 2>four to ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one,

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<v Speaker 2>ten thirty. We've had great shows this week, and we've

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<v Speaker 2>had great response from callers. Again, I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 2>sit here and talk for an hour and a half.

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<v Speaker 2>If I have to, I will. I want to hear

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<v Speaker 2>from you. Are you more optimistic now that we may

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<v Speaker 2>have an end to did the Ukraine War into the

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<v Speaker 2>slaughter that has gone on now for three years? Are

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<v Speaker 2>you concerned that we're going to be seen as basically

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<v Speaker 2>leaving an ally in a death struggle with Putin? Can

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump pull it off? Can Donald Trump get I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>if you talk about two people who hate each other,

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<v Speaker 2>put Putin and Zelensky in the same room, one of

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<v Speaker 2>them's not coming out. You can't do that. But President Trumps,

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<v Speaker 2>I believe. I think somehow, someway, he is going to

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<v Speaker 2>bring these hostilities to a close. Maybe it won't be

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<v Speaker 2>what we considered peace, but maybe the hostilities will come

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<v Speaker 2>to a close. We'll be back on Night's side. Got

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<v Speaker 2>the news here, Let's get it going, coming back right after.

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<v Speaker 1>This night Side with Dan Ray Boston's News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, I know that there are those of you

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<v Speaker 2>out there who feel that we have to stand by

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<v Speaker 2>Ukraine no matter what, but it's pretty clear that this

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<v Speaker 2>president is not one of those folks. And and he

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he has a point of view. It's very

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<v Speaker 2>different from Joe Biden's point of view. This is Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump commenting last night about whether or not the release

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<v Speaker 2>of this US hostage by Putin Mark Fogel might be

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<v Speaker 2>an indicator that there's a way to solve the Russian

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<v Speaker 2>Ukraine war. Cut three B, please Rob, this is the

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<v Speaker 2>beginning of a deal, sir. This is the star.

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<v Speaker 14>I think there's goodwill in terms of the war. You know,

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<v Speaker 14>many and a half soldiers, young people have been killed.

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<v Speaker 15>I've met many.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's uh.

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<v Speaker 14>It's a terrible thing. On we want to get that done.

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<v Speaker 14>I think I think this could be the very important element.

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<v Speaker 14>You could be a big part of it, actually, because

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<v Speaker 14>it could be a big important part of getting the

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<v Speaker 14>war over with Ukraine. And we appreciate President Putin's what

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<v Speaker 14>he what he did. He was able to pull it

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<v Speaker 14>off for you, right, he was able to pull it off.

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<v Speaker 2>We think, and you're here appreciate Putin. I mean, Putin

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<v Speaker 2>was the guy that put Mark Fogel in jail in

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<v Speaker 2>the first time, basically used as a pawn.

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<v Speaker 1>Here.

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<v Speaker 2>There was also a Russian released. Let's get back to

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<v Speaker 2>the calls.

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<v Speaker 16>I do believe that that that we're a lot closer

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<v Speaker 16>to the end of this war tonight than we have

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<v Speaker 16>been at any.

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<v Speaker 2>Time in the last three years. Who's up next, Mike

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<v Speaker 2>and Beverly. Mike next on Night Side, Welcome.

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<v Speaker 8>Hey, can you hear me?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I can hear you. Find Mike. What's your take

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<v Speaker 2>on all of this.

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<v Speaker 8>I think it's a great move. I think it's just

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<v Speaker 8>like like Trump says, YO, know, we've had enough of

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<v Speaker 8>this war stuff, and then nothing is off this situation

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<v Speaker 8>for more dead people, you know, who costs me a

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<v Speaker 8>dollar a dax payer money for a war that that

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<v Speaker 8>if Trump was in office, it would never happen, you know.

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<v Speaker 8>And as far as the situation goes, as far as

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<v Speaker 8>the beast ghast, it's gonna be about minerals. Ukraine has

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<v Speaker 8>minerals that we want, and then there's gonna be uh

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<v Speaker 8>some type of buy in that situation going on. With

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<v Speaker 8>that situation, Dan, that's what I hurt tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let me ask you this. I don't think Zelensky's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be thrilled about this situation.

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<v Speaker 8>I understand I can't be drilled, but it's gonna be

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<v Speaker 8>sunded by me, how many how much more people can

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<v Speaker 8>die in this situation? What has grown over? Man's nothing more.

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<v Speaker 8>We're not gonna send me more money. It's all done you,

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, just wrap it up.

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<v Speaker 2>It can know it, you know, right, And again I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying it's easy for

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<v Speaker 2>us to say, but it's gonna be a tough pill

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<v Speaker 2>for for Zelensky. And maybe I don't know, maybe the

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<v Speaker 2>Ukrainian people have had it, uh and they want this

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<v Speaker 2>to be over. At the same time, they probably are

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<v Speaker 2>looking back and saying, why did we go through this?

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<v Speaker 2>Particularly if Russia then will will formally get possession of

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<v Speaker 2>crime crimea uh, and also part of eastern Ukraine. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think Ukraine's coming out of this situation with

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<v Speaker 2>more territory. They're gonna come out of it with less territory.

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<v Speaker 2>And also many, you know, hundreds of top dead soldiers.

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<v Speaker 11>I get it.

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<v Speaker 8>Dan was just thinking of this. Then Charm's been office

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<v Speaker 8>three weeks and I don't know if you're heard I

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<v Speaker 8>president got released today. There was a journalist was.

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<v Speaker 2>There was another American? Uh, maybe they're talking about a

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<v Speaker 2>different person. There was released. There were three people released

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<v Speaker 2>from Belarus, and I think that one of them was

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<v Speaker 2>someone who was involved with Voice of America.

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<v Speaker 11>You know, those are.

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<v Speaker 8>Eleven released in the time trusts been in office. And like,

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<v Speaker 8>what has Joe Biden done in a previous administration? You

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<v Speaker 8>know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, he's President Trump has had a remarkably active

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<v Speaker 2>and a remarkably successful first few weeks in office, There's

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<v Speaker 2>no question about that. But today was a day when

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<v Speaker 2>for the first time he changed his focus towards the

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<v Speaker 2>international sphere, the international stage UH and he now has

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<v Speaker 2>re established himself just today between the trip with the

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<v Speaker 2>Defense Secretary in Europe, telling UH NATO leaders what they

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<v Speaker 2>now have to do to defend themselves and making it

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<v Speaker 2>clear that that Ukraine will never be or at least

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<v Speaker 2>not in the short term a member of NATO. That

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<v Speaker 2>that just the dynamics. Yeah, it's I mean, we both

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<v Speaker 2>see it. We see it the same way. I just

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<v Speaker 2>am always wondering, well, how is this gonna play? How

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<v Speaker 2>is this gonna play? Donald Trump may end up getting

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<v Speaker 2>a Nobel Peace Prize here, trust me alone.

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<v Speaker 8>Another thing tonight, the same thing.

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<v Speaker 15>I know.

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<v Speaker 8>It's remarkable how much he's done, and you watched Tom Saturday.

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<v Speaker 8>I heard tonight that Hamas might be surrendering. You watch

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<v Speaker 8>because of the ten be so much first around the

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<v Speaker 8>area that they're not gonna have no way They're gonna

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<v Speaker 8>have to surrender. Are they gonna be?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, here's the day. I don't think I would be

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<v Speaker 2>very surprised that that. Will see. If that were to happen,

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<v Speaker 2>that's great. I don't know who they would surrender to.

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<v Speaker 2>They have just had hundreds thousands of fighters released, uh

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<v Speaker 2>with the with the in exchange for the Israeli hostages.

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<v Speaker 2>I would be a little skeptical at that prediction. Let

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<v Speaker 2>me let me say that we'll see though, We'll see

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<v Speaker 2>and if if that happens, Mike, I want you to

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<v Speaker 2>call back here and take a victory lap and say Dan,

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<v Speaker 2>I told you so.

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<v Speaker 8>Okay, thanks, So you have a good one.

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<v Speaker 2>You too, Thanks, Mike, appreciate it. All right, We'll keep

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<v Speaker 2>rolling here. I get one line at six one seven, two,

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<v Speaker 2>five four to ten thirty and one line at six

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<v Speaker 2>one seven nine three one ten thirty. Let me say

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<v Speaker 2>those just a little slower six one seven two five

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<v Speaker 2>four ten thirty or six one seven nine three one

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<v Speaker 2>ten thirty, Jim, I, Leen, and John. I'll get to

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<v Speaker 2>you before the end of the hour. I promise, coming

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<v Speaker 2>right back on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>nights Side Studios. I'm WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's go to Jim and Raynham. Jim, you were

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<v Speaker 2>next to a Nightside. Appreciate you taking the time to

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<v Speaker 2>call in. Go right ahead. What's your thought on all

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<v Speaker 2>of this?

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<v Speaker 15>Well, Ben, I'm gonna give it to you. As they

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<v Speaker 15>say straight from the show over here, Ukraine will probably

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<v Speaker 15>fall before the summer, and Volimir Zelenski and most of

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<v Speaker 15>his top administration people will be killed. And when this happens,

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<v Speaker 15>and this is the truth of the matter, these things

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<v Speaker 15>don't happen in a vacuum.

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<v Speaker 8>People think this is like, you.

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<v Speaker 15>Know, there's this room in the house and there's this

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<v Speaker 15>thing called Ukraine, and there's this war going on, and

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<v Speaker 15>the people across the street don't have any idea what's

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<v Speaker 15>going on. Well, the people across the street, there's a

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<v Speaker 15>couple of them. When there's this country named China, and

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<v Speaker 15>I predict if Ukraine falls too unprovoked Russian aggression Ukraine specifically,

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<v Speaker 15>let's get some context here, Ukraine's typically did joint military

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<v Speaker 15>maneuvers with Russia and with NATO specifically to show that

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<v Speaker 15>they were neutral, and they didn't, and they specifically said

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<v Speaker 15>we will not join NATO. And when there was talk

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<v Speaker 15>about them joining NATO, when let.

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<v Speaker 2>Me ask you this, Jim, to provide some context, Zelensky

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<v Speaker 2>never said that, did he.

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<v Speaker 15>I understand it, but Zolensky just clarify. But Zolensky specifically said,

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<v Speaker 15>we're doing joint military exercises with NATO and with Russia

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<v Speaker 15>to show our neutrality.

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<v Speaker 9>Yep.

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<v Speaker 15>And he's specific and I believe he was on the

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<v Speaker 15>record as saying that Ukraine was not going to seek

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<v Speaker 15>membership in NATO. There was no reason to because they

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<v Speaker 15>believed Russia would respect their territorial imperative. And then when

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<v Speaker 15>there was talk about Ukraine joining Russia in NATO, and

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<v Speaker 15>it was just talk, and it was something that Putin

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<v Speaker 15>said he had heard. So that's why they invaded Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 8>But not to quibble over those things.

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<v Speaker 15>The fact of the matter is is it was naked aggression, unprovoked,

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<v Speaker 15>unjustified under any tenet of international law.

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<v Speaker 2>I agreed. So I want you to get to the

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<v Speaker 2>to your main point.

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<v Speaker 15>Go ahead, all right, Well, main point is is if

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<v Speaker 15>Ukraine falls, then I predict that China will invade Taiwan

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<v Speaker 15>within two years. Korea will invade South Korea within two years,

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<v Speaker 15>and Trump will do.

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<v Speaker 11>Nothing to stop them.

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<v Speaker 15>Okay, and you're looking at possibly World War three because

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<v Speaker 15>Japan will probably get involved if North Korea aided by

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<v Speaker 15>the Chinese, because they believe the United States will not

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<v Speaker 15>act to save South Korea. All right, And as far

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<v Speaker 15>as the money goes for the for the for the

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<v Speaker 15>Ukraine War and the American support Court, I'll leave you

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<v Speaker 15>with this. I would like anyone to call in and

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<v Speaker 15>say to me that they believe there's a credible threat

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<v Speaker 15>that America will face a land based military invasion and

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<v Speaker 15>that's why we need that stuff. And it's already been

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<v Speaker 15>paid for, so it isn't costing us to anything to

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<v Speaker 15>send it to Ukraine to defend themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we still have to replace what we sent, so

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, and there were times during we.

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<v Speaker 15>Had Dan We're not going to be invaded. Why do

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<v Speaker 15>we need those weapons?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm just telling you that. I'm telling you that

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<v Speaker 2>that we we did replace that that weaponry, whether whether

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<v Speaker 2>you like it or not. It's we do not deplete

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<v Speaker 2>our stock and not replace it. All right, Look, Jim,

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate it. I think that the argument could also

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<v Speaker 2>go the other way, and that is that if if

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<v Speaker 2>Putin gets what he wants here and feels he's a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit more protected, he's concerned about Russia, uh, he

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<v Speaker 2>then might be able to we and we accommodate him.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump might be thinking that maybe Putin can can put

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<v Speaker 2>pressure on either China or North Korea to back off

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<v Speaker 2>any designs they might have on on time on or

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<v Speaker 2>on South Korea. But we'll see how it plays out.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see how it plays out, Jim. Interesting theory. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>see if people react.

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<v Speaker 11>We don't agree, Dan, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't agree, but that's what this shows about Jim.

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<v Speaker 16>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And I want to see if people calling and say,

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<v Speaker 2>Jim's right, you put it out there and thank you

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<v Speaker 2>for doing so.

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<v Speaker 15>Thank you much, thank you, Thank you, Dan, have a

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<v Speaker 15>great night.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, John and Pavity. John next on Nightsager. Right ahead, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't hear John. We can put John on hold.

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<v Speaker 2>Come back to John in a moment. Let me go

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<v Speaker 2>to Eileen. Eileen Next on Nightsager, right ahead, Eileen.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, I am I think, uh that yes, maybe Trump

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<v Speaker 10>should get the Nobel Peace Prize. I mean, I'm not

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<v Speaker 10>uh sure that we should ever. I mean, I'm not

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<v Speaker 10>as knowledgeable as the person you just spoke to. But

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<v Speaker 10>I just look at the pictures of destruction in in

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<v Speaker 10>the Ukraine, and how how can that what? What good

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<v Speaker 10>has that done? I just I really, I am, I

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<v Speaker 10>I don't I just don't understand why.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let me try, let me try to explain it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that that Putin was very concerned about the

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<v Speaker 2>growing independence of Ukraine. Ukraine used to be obviously part

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<v Speaker 2>of the Soviet Union, and when the Soviet Union fell apart,

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<v Speaker 2>Putin said it was the greatest disaster of the twentieth

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<v Speaker 2>century that the Soviet Union dissolved, And so he looks

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<v Speaker 2>at everything through that lens, and he felt that if

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<v Speaker 2>he could take back or reassert control of Ukraine, it

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<v Speaker 2>would go a long way into restoring the glory of

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<v Speaker 2>the Soviet Union, and maybe he could piece the Soviet

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<v Speaker 2>Union back together. I don't think he'll ever be able

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<v Speaker 2>to do that, but if he feels at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the day here that he got some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>a victory from Ukraine, meaning Crimea, which Ukraine still claims

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<v Speaker 2>Russia took from Meia by force in twenty fourteen when

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<v Speaker 2>Obama was president, and they took eastern Ukraine the so

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<v Speaker 2>called Dombas region when Biden was president. If somehow someway

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<v Speaker 2>He's allowed to keep those two territories, he can say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>it was worth it. I think that's what this is

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<v Speaker 2>all about. And I think that's the concessions that President

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<v Speaker 2>Trump will have to force Zelinsky to accept. Tough thing

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<v Speaker 2>for Zelinsky and the Ukrainian people to swallow. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think we're seeing the beginning of that plan in the

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<v Speaker 2>in the last twenty four to forty eight hours.

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<v Speaker 10>Okay, Well, I just think it's horrible when I see.

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<v Speaker 2>Or everybody so much. Yeah, and for what end. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe they could have they could have avoided all of

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<v Speaker 2>the bloodshed if Ukraine was counseled three years ago to

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<v Speaker 2>surrender a little portionately. And I don't know. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's way beyond my pay grade. And I

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<v Speaker 2>can only tell you what I think, and sometimes my

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<v Speaker 2>thinking changes. I know that there's going to be a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people in this country who are going to

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<v Speaker 2>be thrilled that that war is over, and there are

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people in this country who are not

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<v Speaker 2>going to be that war is over.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, I'm I'm one of those who thrilled because I.

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<v Speaker 12>Really did it great.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Thanks, I appreciate the call. Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 10>Okay, all right, thanks Dan.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me try to get back to John and Peeby.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't know where John was before, but hopefully he's back now, John,

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<v Speaker 2>go right ahead.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, okay, Dan, I was saying hello, Hello, But that's

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<v Speaker 11>a cell phone world.

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<v Speaker 2>Well you might have you probably had as speed. I

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<v Speaker 2>bet you had me on speakerphone and then you hit

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<v Speaker 2>the mute button. But that that's that's that's in the past.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go. Uh, what would you like to say? All

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<v Speaker 2>is god? John?

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<v Speaker 11>I think there's one important factor here that hasn't been

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<v Speaker 11>discussed good and that is oil. Uh and inflation. Inflation

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<v Speaker 11>report today was not good. Trump's tariffs. Even Trump must

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<v Speaker 11>realize that tariffs are horribly inflationary, and he would like

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<v Speaker 11>to lower the cost of energy. So if Russia could

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<v Speaker 11>be brought back into the fold of civilized countries and

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<v Speaker 11>the restrictions would come off exports of energy, oil and

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<v Speaker 11>gas to Western Europe. It would diminish energy prices, which

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<v Speaker 11>would serve Trump's interest in trying to be an inflation hero.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, which is in the interest of all of us.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way oil today was done, I think a

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<v Speaker 2>buck and a half. It's seventy one dollars a barrel.

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<v Speaker 2>I never want to see it back up to one

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<v Speaker 2>point fifty as it was at one point. Let's keep it,

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<v Speaker 2>Let's keep it below seventy if we can.

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<v Speaker 11>So. I think in analyzing or considering what Trump may

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<v Speaker 11>force Ukraine to do, and maybe it isn't as fair

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<v Speaker 11>an outcome for Ukraine, and we tend to be sympathetic

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<v Speaker 11>to Ukraine. Just I guess my point is, don't forget

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<v Speaker 11>that there's any energy advantage to the United States. And

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<v Speaker 11>if if, if Ukraine and Zelensky have to take a

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<v Speaker 11>lump that they don't like to take, I think Trump

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<v Speaker 11>would say, well, okay, too bad for them, But look

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<v Speaker 11>what's happening to the oil, and that's good for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh absolutely, I think I think that that could be

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<v Speaker 2>very much a motivating factor here. But we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>see this play out, and I think it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be fascinating to watch and if it does end the

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<v Speaker 2>hostilities and it saves some people lives, he very well

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<v Speaker 2>might be in line for the for the Nobel Peace Prize.

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<v Speaker 2>As to Boot, So, I mean, who could who would

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<v Speaker 2>have imagined? I mean, Joe Biden must be sitting home

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<v Speaker 2>in Delaware saying everything is breaking Trump's way right now,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think it is.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, I'm I'm sure that that's exactly what what Biden.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. Hey, John, thanks so much much. Do me a

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<v Speaker 2>favor become a more regular caller. I enjoyed the spin

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<v Speaker 2>you put on it, and it's interesting you took us

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<v Speaker 2>in a different direction, and that's what this show should

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<v Speaker 2>be all about. All points of view and welcome. Thanks Sean,

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate it. I'll tell you that, talk to you soon.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. To those in the line, Tim and Rick,

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<v Speaker 2>you guys stay there. If not, folks know what the

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<v Speaker 2>numbers are, I don't even have to tell you. This

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<v Speaker 2>is what I'd like to talk about between now and midnight.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to keep us ahead of the curve. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that we are beginning to move very quickly toward

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<v Speaker 2>an end to hostilities, maybe not peace, but an end

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<v Speaker 2>to hostilities in Ukraine. And I think it might happen

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<v Speaker 2>more quickly than any of us can imagine. What do

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<v Speaker 2>you have to say back on NIGHTSID after this