Speaker 1: You're listening to Big for Society, and I'm Jeremiah Byron.
Speaker 1: Tonight's account is from a retired Air Force veteran, mental
Speaker 1: health therapist and someone who spent her entire life in
Speaker 1: the woods. And this episode goes from the pine forest
Speaker 1: of Texas to the swamps of Louisiana, the back roads
Speaker 1: of Washington and the shadows of the Olympic National Forest.
Speaker 1: What did Kay experience throughout the years. You'll have to
Speaker 1: listen to her story to find out. So stay with us,
Speaker 1: all right, Big Fort Society, You've got the privilege of
Speaker 1: talking to Kay today. Kay is an individual. She is
Speaker 1: a mental health therapist, a retired US Air Force veteran,
Speaker 1: and an explorer of the wilderness. So it's a pleasure
Speaker 1: to have Kay on the show today. How are you doing.
Speaker 2: Today, Hi, I'm doing great. Thank you. It's nice to
Speaker 2: meet you.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, we're having a nice chat. Before the recording started,
Speaker 1: sounds like we have a lot of ground to cover.
Speaker 1: You've really had some interesting experiences over the years, so
Speaker 1: I want to make sure that you have the time
Speaker 1: that you need, so you know, feel free to take
Speaker 1: us back to where you would like to start with
Speaker 1: this whole conversation.
Speaker 2: Okay, sure, I did make a list so I could
Speaker 2: kind of try to keep it in the timeline in
Speaker 2: chronological orders. So I'll start from the early seventies. My
Speaker 2: first I didn't even know it was anything at the time.
Speaker 2: I was a child, but I was playing out in
Speaker 2: my uncle, aunt and uncle's guard in Texas and there's
Speaker 2: a lot of forest around. It's on our family property
Speaker 2: that's about three hundred acres and it's pretty forested. We
Speaker 2: usually have our trees cut down every few years, you know,
Speaker 2: to try to turn a profit. But the trees were
Speaker 2: grown at the time, and I was making mud pies
Speaker 2: outside with my cousins and they went inside. I stayed
Speaker 2: out to finish up, and I started hearing some hammering
Speaker 2: in the woods, and I'm like, okay, who's building something
Speaker 2: on the family of property? Is my first thought, because
Speaker 2: it sounded like they were hammering, and it just kept
Speaker 2: on and kept on. I think my aunt had heard that,
Speaker 2: and she came running to the door and she said,
Speaker 2: we're in here before the wood burgers get you. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, what is a wood boger? And she wouldn't answer.
Speaker 2: She made me go inside, so I went inside and
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm gonna be smart. I'm gonna ask my
Speaker 2: dad what a wood burger is. And I did that
Speaker 2: and the room got silent and they looked at me,
Speaker 2: and I never got an answer. So that was the
Speaker 2: end of that. I didn't really attribute that to an
Speaker 2: encounter until more recently, listening to your show. That's when
Speaker 2: I started realizing that maybe that wasn't an encounter. When
Speaker 2: I was really young, probably about five or six, my
Speaker 2: first encounter that I remember, well, actually I didn't remember.
Speaker 2: It was really traumatic for me. Me and my sister
Speaker 2: were on the neighbor's farm in Louisiana and we were sleeping.
Speaker 2: It was a few feet away from the window, maybe
Speaker 2: about three or four feet, and they had no curtains.
Speaker 2: So we're sleeping there and I wake up and raise
Speaker 2: up home on the other side of my sister. I
Speaker 2: raise up and I see sasquatch in the window staring
Speaker 2: at me, at my sister. My sister was covered up,
Speaker 2: and I shook her and said, what is that? And
Speaker 2: she said it's nothing good to sleep. I waid back
Speaker 2: down and I was thinking, why would she say that?
Speaker 2: And finally I that's not really a word, but it's
Speaker 2: kind of funny. I thought, well, she's closer to the
Speaker 2: windows so and she's older than me. She's telling me
Speaker 2: it's nothing, So I'm just going to accept that and
Speaker 2: go back to sleep. And that was the end of
Speaker 2: that encounter. But I locked out out of my memory
Speaker 2: for several years until my sister reminded me and she
Speaker 2: drew a picture of it. I don't have that picture
Speaker 2: anywhere I can find it right now, but she drew
Speaker 2: a picture of what we saw. But yeah, so that
Speaker 2: was my first encounter, and I had nightmares about that
Speaker 2: for quite some years. And it's kind of funny because
Speaker 2: every time I watched Roote Off the Red Nose reindeer
Speaker 2: when I was a kid, that reminded me of that
Speaker 2: and just terrified me. Let's see the second time, and
Speaker 2: this one is the first time. I remember. It was
Speaker 2: about nineteen seventy eight or seventy nine. A friend of mine,
Speaker 2: I actually posted this one on the Texas Bigfoot Research
Speaker 2: Center website. Me and my friend we would we had fireworks.
Speaker 2: That was around the fourth of July, and we were
Speaker 2: popping firecrackers, yelling and listening to the echoes in the
Speaker 2: forest bouncing back and having a good time shooting. We
Speaker 2: had some four ten guns we were shooting that and anyway,
Speaker 2: that was during the day. At night, we went to
Speaker 2: bed and they didn't have air conditioner hooked up yet,
Speaker 2: so they'd left the windows open and we were laying
Speaker 2: in bed. There was a window behind me and a
Speaker 2: window behind my friend that was staying there. And something
Speaker 2: came to the window at night. And there's a lot
Speaker 2: of details to the site. It's probably best if you
Speaker 2: do go to the website and read it. But something
Speaker 2: came to the window and it was breathing really heavy.
Speaker 2: I can't imitate the sound because you could tell the
Speaker 2: lung capacity was just so much. I froze. I was
Speaker 2: a froze allid in bed. The lady that made the
Speaker 2: bed tucked the corners of the sheet and so tight.
Speaker 2: But all I could do was just kind of scoot
Speaker 2: over really slowly to try to get out of the bed.
Speaker 2: If them busted through the screen. Nothing ever happened. But
Speaker 2: what ended this encounter was the clock chiming in the
Speaker 2: other room. It stopped it. It took about three minutes
Speaker 2: for this to happen, and this thing vanished. I looked
Speaker 2: out the window that I saw nothing. There was dead
Speaker 2: silence during this event. Also, they had a German shepherd
Speaker 2: chained up outside that went under the house while this
Speaker 2: event was taking place. I know it was not a bear.
Speaker 2: I don't think there were any bears in Louisiana at
Speaker 2: this time, so I'm pretty certain this was a sasquatch
Speaker 2: at the window. This is the same location as the
Speaker 2: first encounter when I was watching me and my sister.
Speaker 2: That was my Louisiana encounters.
Speaker 1: Is a few things about these situations. So they're both
Speaker 1: in Louisiana. Were they both in the same house then?
Speaker 2: Now the person actually had a trailer during the first one.
Speaker 2: It was like one of those old nineteen fifties trailers
Speaker 2: that had built out of real thin wood on the
Speaker 2: walls and single pane windows that were really thin. Just
Speaker 2: think it a busted through the window if it wanted to.
Speaker 2: The second they had put a house on the property,
Speaker 2: but it was right by where the trailer was. They
Speaker 2: used the trailer for storage at the time, and it
Speaker 2: was really close and they had a little electric fence
Speaker 2: around the yard to keep They have some cows on
Speaker 2: the property. They put a little electric fence up around
Speaker 2: the house to keep the cows away from the house.
Speaker 2: Another thing that made me realize it had to have
Speaker 2: been a sasquatches because the German shepherd it was about
Speaker 2: nine months old, it was pretty tall, and it barked
Speaker 2: at people. If it was a person, I think it
Speaker 2: would have barked at them. I don't think it was
Speaker 2: a wild animal because of the fence, so it had
Speaker 2: to be something I figured that stepped over that fence
Speaker 2: to come to the house, and so a little couple
Speaker 2: of clues that I have that it was actually a
Speaker 2: sasquatch coming there. I didn't actually see it though, so
Speaker 2: on the website, I don't. It wasn't considered a classic
Speaker 2: a setting because of that.
Speaker 1: Now the first one you had actually seen it in
Speaker 1: the window?
Speaker 2: Correct did? I did? And I cannot recall exactly what
Speaker 2: his face looked like. I feel like I and I
Speaker 2: didn't remember the sighting for like thirty years until my
Speaker 2: sister brought it up. My mom made fun of me
Speaker 2: all the time if I said anything about a monster
Speaker 2: in the woods, and she would buy toys and make
Speaker 2: fun of me when she would give me the toys
Speaker 2: and stuff. So I really, yeah, I felt like those
Speaker 2: two really calls me a lot of trauma.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you didn't ask for that, and to be
Speaker 1: made fun of on top of that, And trauma is
Speaker 1: a real thing. People don't realize what it does to you.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry you had to deal with that.
Speaker 2: Did you ever okay, go ahead.
Speaker 1: Did you ever talk or did it come up with
Speaker 1: any of the neighbors as well in that area?
Speaker 2: You know when we woke up the next morning. No,
Speaker 2: not about the first one when it was looking in
Speaker 2: the window. And my sister never talked about it, and
Speaker 2: she only told me about it in the early two
Speaker 2: thousands because I had told her about my second encounter
Speaker 2: where it was at the window breathing through the window,
Speaker 2: and then she kind of said, well, don't you remember
Speaker 2: when it was staring at us through the window? And
Speaker 2: I was like no, and I said and then it
Speaker 2: started coming back to me a little bit. I remember
Speaker 2: that day we were outside, me and my sister were
Speaker 2: flying kites, and my kite flew away the wind was
Speaker 2: long and so hard and got lodged in trees in
Speaker 2: the woods. We were also watching the shooting stars at night,
Speaker 2: and then we finally went to bed, probably around ten
Speaker 2: thirty or eleven and then I assume it's probably around
Speaker 2: twelve to one or two or something when it was
Speaker 2: looking through the window.
Speaker 1: One last question about these this group, the windows that
Speaker 1: were in question, how high up off the ground approximately?
Speaker 1: Were those.
Speaker 2: Good to ask? Because I actually went and measured. The
Speaker 2: one in the trailer was probably around It wasn't that high.
Speaker 2: It may even four and a half to five foot
Speaker 2: off the ground, so the thing would have been kind
Speaker 2: of hunched over looking through. And when my sister drew
Speaker 2: the picture, she drew kind of the outline of the
Speaker 2: shoulders and just a pup of a head looking through
Speaker 2: the window, and she said it looked kind of like
Speaker 2: a caveman that a little bit.
Speaker 1: Oh man, wow. Does she still believe that she had
Speaker 1: a sighting? To this day?
Speaker 2: She doesn't talk about it. That's the only time we've
Speaker 2: ever discussed it. She doesn't want to talk about it.
Speaker 2: I get it, don't.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. I mean, that's the thing listeners do not understand.
Speaker 1: I think, how for everything you hear on this show,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people that will not go
Speaker 1: on air, or we get to the time when they're
Speaker 1: going to be interviewed and they just don't show up
Speaker 1: and that is okay. I'm totally fine with that because
Speaker 1: a lot of people are very you know, aware of
Speaker 1: of of their livelihood and their jobs and how that
Speaker 1: could affect it. And so anyone that is able to
Speaker 1: come on the show, I really do appreciate and never
Speaker 1: take that for granted that they are able to come
Speaker 1: on the show. But so all this so far has
Speaker 1: happened in the nineteen seventies, and I'm at yes, so
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy eight, ninety seventy nine. How what was your
Speaker 1: age approximately there?
Speaker 2: I was around thirteen, gotcha? Gotcha?
Speaker 1: All right? Well, yeah, feel free to thank you for
Speaker 1: answering my questions there, you feel free to continue with
Speaker 1: your accounts.
Speaker 2: Okay, that I had a counter in Texas, so I
Speaker 2: went to basic training, and I was going to be
Speaker 2: stationed in Germany, and I wanted to go to the
Speaker 2: property before going overseas. So me and my friend I
Speaker 2: asked him if he wanted to go hunting. I didn't
Speaker 2: really want to hunt, but I wanted to go out
Speaker 2: to the property. But I did take my dad's gun
Speaker 2: with me. We both went out and we both had
Speaker 2: a stand to sit in. While I was sitting in
Speaker 2: the deer stand. It was probably around five in the morning.
Speaker 2: It was about twenty degrees outside. I had all my
Speaker 2: camouflage on. I noticed something walking out of the woods
Speaker 2: and then walking along the tree line, and it was
Speaker 2: at least six foot to seven foot tall. Now I
Speaker 2: kind of rubbed my eyes and I'm like, am I
Speaker 2: really seeing this? I couldn't make out features because it
Speaker 2: was like a full moon night, but I could see
Speaker 2: the shape of a body walking in the woods on
Speaker 2: our family property. This is back on our family property again.
Speaker 2: And it just kept coming closer and closer. It didn't
Speaker 2: see me, so I clicked the safety off the gun
Speaker 2: because I mean, if it got too close, I didn't
Speaker 2: know what would happen. So I clicked the safety off
Speaker 2: the gun. As soon as I did, it started walking
Speaker 2: backwards and it looked over towards me. Then I just
Speaker 2: went and made out what I was. It spun around
Speaker 2: and ran into the woods, and then I saw a
Speaker 2: tree shaking like violently, and that kind of made me
Speaker 2: realize I did see something. I'm physically seeing the tree move.
Speaker 2: It's no longer just a shadow walking along the side
Speaker 2: of the trees. So the next morning I was terrified
Speaker 2: to come out of the trees, out of the tree stand,
Speaker 2: but I finally did. My friend came got me. We
Speaker 2: went down to look for footprints. We didn't see any footprints,
Speaker 2: but I could see where it went into the trees,
Speaker 2: and we went back to check it out to see
Speaker 2: if it left anything. There was weirdly, just a bucket
Speaker 2: hanging on the tree there, but it was full of
Speaker 2: pine straw, so I don't know. I think maybe my
Speaker 2: family had left that up there, but it did run
Speaker 2: in that area and it shook that big tree that
Speaker 2: the bucket was hanging on. We walked down to see
Speaker 2: where it came out of the trees, and this is
Speaker 2: really funny because I saw the trail where it came out.
Speaker 2: It looked no bigger than something a fox might use.
Speaker 2: I mean, the branches were totally closed down around the trail,
Speaker 2: but it very low to the ground. You could see
Speaker 2: where something has been walking in and out. I never
Speaker 2: would have thought something that large could have come out
Speaker 2: of that, which was kind of strange. And yeah, after that,
Speaker 2: I went over to Germany and spent some time over there.
Speaker 2: Stationed over there, and it was kind of boring going
Speaker 2: into the woods there. Other than worrying about bombs that
Speaker 2: have been dropped during World War Two. Yeah, no, sascotch
Speaker 2: there soon.
Speaker 1: During that time with your your hunting buddy there did
Speaker 1: that individual did did they see anything as well? Anything
Speaker 1: like that? Okay, what was the year you would say
Speaker 1: for that one?
Speaker 2: That was nineteen eighty nine. It was right before stationed overseas,
Speaker 2: so let's see, that would December. I don't know the
Speaker 2: exact date, so that.
Speaker 1: Puts you out around twenty four ish twenty four.
Speaker 2: Yeah, gotcha, that's right. I'll see.
Speaker 1: I just have one or two other questions about that
Speaker 1: during the time, the general time when you had that experience,
Speaker 1: was anything else weird about the woods? Were there any
Speaker 1: out of place sounds or lack of sounds or smells
Speaker 1: or anything like that.
Speaker 2: There no sounds there. There was a lot of deer footprints,
Speaker 2: but no, you know, no sounds, no deer that night. No,
Speaker 2: there was nothing odd about it. It was like twenty
Speaker 2: degrees so nothing was moving. It seemed like nothing was
Speaker 2: moving outside.
Speaker 1: Gotcha. And you said you could see the shape of
Speaker 1: the body kind of you couldn't really see details, but
Speaker 1: were there any even from the silhouette? Were there any
Speaker 1: details that you remember where it's like, oh, I remember
Speaker 1: seeing that about it, and that was like, yeah.
Speaker 2: Well it was basically it was kind of large, large chest.
Speaker 2: It slumped over just a little bit as it walked,
Speaker 2: and then when I picked the safety it, it's leg
Speaker 2: stayed straight, but its body kind of turned. It's after
Speaker 2: a torset, turned towards me as it walked backwards. I mean,
Speaker 2: it was kind of funny how quickly it walked backwards,
Speaker 2: I thought. But that's the only thing really that My
Speaker 2: family's kind of large, Like my dad was really large,
Speaker 2: but it seemed a little bigger than my dad. That's
Speaker 2: all I can remember. My dad was like six'. Four oh.
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah and he's so even even taller than your,
Speaker 1: dad because you said it was it could be six
Speaker 1: to seven feet. Tall that's interesting detail that you shared as,
Speaker 1: well because from what we know, about, uh the sasquatch
Speaker 1: so far is that it cannot turn its head when
Speaker 1: it looks to the. Side it has to turn its
Speaker 1: shoulders as, well, Right so that that totally makes sense
Speaker 1: that you would have experienced. That.
Speaker 2: Hmm. NOW i posted out siding ON bfro in two
Speaker 2: thousand and, four and one of the REASONS i. Did
Speaker 2: that is BECAUSE i was reading through some of the
Speaker 2: other sidings and hearing about the tree. SHAKING i had
Speaker 2: no idea that was anything at the. TIME i, mean
Speaker 2: this is Pre internet when that's, Happened so you, KNOW
Speaker 2: i wasn't aware of tree shaking and some of the wood.
Speaker 2: KNOCKING i wasn't aware of those things until later. On,
Speaker 2: well that's part of the REASON i hear Because i've
Speaker 2: learned a lot from your shadow just listening to other.
Speaker 2: People that's.
Speaker 1: AWESOME i, mean that is one Of it's not the
Speaker 1: reason THAT i started the, show but it is a
Speaker 1: reason that is coming to the. Forefront that people are
Speaker 1: learning stuff from what they're listening to and it's helping
Speaker 1: out other people because of, that and that's just really.
Speaker 1: COOL i enjoy that this this area In. Texas you,
Speaker 1: know we we're saying General, texas but have you ever
Speaker 1: looked to see if there's other encounters that are reported
Speaker 1: and maybe the general?
Speaker 2: Region oh, yeah, yeah actually THAT i think it's squatch
Speaker 2: floitation The bigfoot episode On Finding. Bigfoot, okay squatch. Ploitation
Speaker 2: that's the exact area these things. Happened and as a
Speaker 2: matter of, fact their town hall was in a place
Speaker 2: Called Big Pines, lodge which is just a few miles
Speaker 2: away from my family, property and there's really some good
Speaker 2: staging areas if if people wanted to go out and
Speaker 2: try to make contact With.
Speaker 1: Sasquatch oh, Yeah i'm looking at in a. Map it's
Speaker 1: literally right On Cattle. Lake, yeah, yes, absolutely, Yeah, no
Speaker 1: that's that is Between Cattle lake and then further to
Speaker 1: the west Is. Jefferson. Fantastic, yeah that makes total sense
Speaker 1: that that you would have that situation right there in that. Area.
Speaker 2: Wow. Wow. Yeah, well my grandmother ACTUALLY i skipped over this.
Speaker 2: ONE i didn't really have an, encounter BUT i went
Speaker 2: to see my grandmother in nineteen eighty. Eight it was
Speaker 2: before my hunting. Encounter we're sitting, there this is around six.
Speaker 2: PM i was starting to get evening, time and we
Speaker 2: heard a yell in the woods that sounded, like AND
Speaker 2: i don't want this sound. Bad it sounded like if
Speaker 2: you were watching the Old, westerns like the sounds that
Speaker 2: The natives or The indians would. Make the yells that
Speaker 2: ended sounding exactly like a. Crow AND i asked my
Speaker 2: grandmother and, said what is? That she, SAID i don't,
Speaker 2: know but every EVENING i picked my trash to the
Speaker 2: edge of the woods AND i take a hoe with
Speaker 2: me BECAUSE i feel like something's watching. Me i'm pretty
Speaker 2: sure something was my.
Speaker 1: Goodness so from WHAT i, heard WHAT i heard sound
Speaker 1: like almost like a war, cry and it turned into
Speaker 1: a crow.
Speaker 2: Noise, yes, MAN i have another incident In california actually
Speaker 2: earlier this year that was. SIMILAR i was coming, OUT
Speaker 2: i was traveling AND i was In california and my
Speaker 2: trailer AND i left my trailer BEFORE i sign, up
Speaker 2: closed the, door locked. It THEN i heard a crow
Speaker 2: behind me or an hour behind. Me it sounded real,
Speaker 2: deep you. KNOW i was, like, cool there's an. Owl
Speaker 2: and then off in another, TREE i heard another, out
Speaker 2: but it was like, woo AND i just. SAID i
Speaker 2: just stuck my hand in the air AND i, said
Speaker 2: you guys are. Bad AND i just walked to my
Speaker 2: truck and got in it and took. OFF i didn't even.
Speaker 2: LOOK i didn't want to. See.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Absolutely and that was twenty twenty, five you.
Speaker 2: Said, yes Around april of this.
Speaker 1: Year is that a Northern california or.
Speaker 2: It was kind of close To. Yosemite actually it wasn't
Speaker 2: too far from. That i'll. See i'm looking at my list.
Speaker 2: Here most of the other things happened In. WASHINGTON i
Speaker 2: did have something at the end of last summer In.
Speaker 2: TEXAS i can talk about. That but there's a super
Speaker 2: fun site On Caddo. Lake do you know what that? Is?
Speaker 1: LIKE i don't, actually, yeah if you could share what that.
Speaker 2: IS a super fun site, Is like there's different ones
Speaker 2: in THE, us like if the ground has been concaminated
Speaker 2: by a government, activity it could be, nuclear it could
Speaker 2: Be in this case Around Kaddo, lake it used to
Speaker 2: be an ammunition plant and the job of the Super
Speaker 2: Fun site is for them to go and do clean
Speaker 2: that BEFORE i guess we're turning it to the. Public
Speaker 2: so it's in the process of that right. Now and
Speaker 2: it's laid out like a piur military but it's kind
Speaker 2: of laid out like what we call OUR ammo. Dump
Speaker 2: their streets, there they're paved. Streets it almost looked like
Speaker 2: city blocks with no houses on. IT i was driving
Speaker 2: through there AND i heard a really large lamb brake
Speaker 2: And i've come over time to learn that's them just
Speaker 2: saying get out of. HERE i, said, Okay i'm, leaving
Speaker 2: AND i drove. Away but then WHEN i turned around
Speaker 2: and came, BACK i saw and one of the trees
Speaker 2: stuck in the ground upside. DOWN i wasn't very, big
Speaker 2: it's only about five foot, tall BUT i thought it
Speaker 2: kind of. ODD i did see. That. ALSO i was
Speaker 2: trying to go see my land walking back into the,
Speaker 2: woods but it's really bad and. MUDDY i couldn't get back.
Speaker 2: There in my, nephew my nephew's. WIFE i don't know
Speaker 2: if she would be, considered but, anyway my nephew's wife
Speaker 2: was walking with me back, there and she was telling
Speaker 2: me about an event her husband had where he was
Speaker 2: followed out of the woods and when he went back
Speaker 2: the next, day a perfect circle was left in like
Speaker 2: sticks in the area where he heard the. Noise, well
Speaker 2: she was walking with me this day AND i, said,
Speaker 2: yeah there's you, Know i've seen something back. HERE i
Speaker 2: was telling her about, that about the hunting, incident and
Speaker 2: as we came, back a, chicken one of her chickens
Speaker 2: had been snatched up and the feathers were left in
Speaker 2: a perfect, circle and it was really. ODD i tried
Speaker 2: to contact my cousin after that and she didn't talk to.
Speaker 2: Me so they don't talk about this. Stuff SO i
Speaker 2: think maybe she got upset THAT i had mentioned anything about.
Speaker 2: It probably scared the poor. Girl, oh, absolutely to see
Speaker 2: her chicken snatched. It probably not. Kid and, yeah YOU'RE
Speaker 2: i was hyping to move back on my.
Speaker 1: Property but IT'S i, mean that area just has so
Speaker 1: Much it has a, rich rich history of bigfoot activity
Speaker 1: in The Cattle lake. Area for, sure your grandma in
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight you were talking about did it did
Speaker 1: she ever share like any did she ever have any
Speaker 1: sightings in that area or just like she was ready
Speaker 1: for something with that garden hoe just in, case.
Speaker 2: She was just ready to protect. Herself he went and
Speaker 2: talk about. It my dad has told me stories about
Speaker 2: things that happened. Though, YEAH i MEAN i can discuss
Speaker 2: that if you would.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, ABSOLUTELY i, MEAN i know it's anything that
Speaker 1: you feel comfortable. Sharing it's, uh, okay definitely go, Ahead, okay.
Speaker 2: Sure. YEAH i was doing a bio my dad WHEN
Speaker 2: i was in middle school and he started telling me
Speaker 2: ABOUT i think one of the QUESTIONS i asked him
Speaker 2: the scaredest moments of his, life and he told me
Speaker 2: about being followed out of the woods on the family.
Speaker 2: Property what else did he tell? Me, oh he would
Speaker 2: see things out of the window at, night like going
Speaker 2: to the Family it was a pond out. There they
Speaker 2: also had a. Barn it would go to the barn.
Speaker 2: Sometimes he said he'd always see the thing going between
Speaker 2: the barn and the pond at night through his. Window
Speaker 2: but that's the only thing he shared it with that
Speaker 2: he did tell me about my. Cousins they used to
Speaker 2: live in the old family house on the, property and
Speaker 2: there was a huge. Door this is like a house
Speaker 2: that was built in the twenties or, thirties and they
Speaker 2: had a huge front. Door they believed the front door
Speaker 2: represented the. Family you, know you have a fabulous front.
Speaker 2: Door so they had a huge one with the glass
Speaker 2: over the top of, it and my aunt and uncle
Speaker 2: saw the top of something's head over the, glass and
Speaker 2: this is probably at least seven foot. Up they see
Speaker 2: the top of something's head and something wiggled the door. Handle,
Speaker 2: also my cousin was trying to get rid of some
Speaker 2: raccoons that were eating the feed in the, barn so
Speaker 2: he slept up in the loft one night and this
Speaker 2: thing came in the barn with. Him that's ALL i
Speaker 2: heard from my dad about, it, Though, wow that would
Speaker 2: be interesting that's that's.
Speaker 1: Incredible so you're saying that it came in the barn
Speaker 1: with him per his? Account, yes, oh, MAN i that's
Speaker 1: that is that is. Wild have you ever talked to
Speaker 1: that cousin directly about?
Speaker 2: That, no WHEN i was a little, kid he was
Speaker 2: already in his twenties and he moved. OFF i never
Speaker 2: really got to meet him. Much.
Speaker 1: Gotcha so all these accounts on the same, property what
Speaker 1: years would this? Span are we talking forty fifty years.
Speaker 2: OR i would, think, well my dad was born in nineteen,
Speaker 2: forty so probably in the forties started and THEN i
Speaker 2: mean last, YEAR i don't, know you can consider it
Speaker 2: a sighting Or bigfoot related if you want to, say
Speaker 2: the chicken being snatched. Up it was really. Odd but,
Speaker 2: yeah so, wow so quite some time really it could.
Speaker 1: Go we're talking about potentially eighty years if we're going
Speaker 1: forties to last.
Speaker 2: Year but, yeah we round about. There.
Speaker 1: Wow so that's that's pretty. Fascinating and that is.
Speaker 2: That i'm sure that properties are around there also experienced
Speaker 2: this stuff. Too, oh without a. Doubt people they're tight
Speaker 2: lipped about. It they really are a million Are.
Speaker 1: It's a, thing you, Know AND i experienced that WHEN
Speaker 1: i got into the. Field WHEN i went out In
Speaker 1: oregon AND i was driving through these small mountain, towns
Speaker 1: people do not want to talk and they want you
Speaker 1: out of, there and which is absolutely. Fine probably didn't
Speaker 1: help THAT i Had california rental plates on two, Anyways
Speaker 1: so you were saying that you also had some interesting
Speaker 1: things happen In washington as.
Speaker 2: Well, yes and you, KNOW i DON'T i think this is,
Speaker 2: well the very first ONE i was with my, daughter
Speaker 2: and this could have been a. Hoax AND i will
Speaker 2: admit if something could be a. Hoax we were driving
Speaker 2: From fort to The Whole, rainforest so it was a long.
Speaker 2: ROAD i guess it's about twenty miles of forest before
Speaker 2: you get to the whole, rainforest and that's h oh
Speaker 2: if you're ever interested In it's like one of the
Speaker 2: only rainforests In. America so we wanted to go see.
Speaker 2: It we're driving. There, unfortunately The Olympic peninsula is a
Speaker 2: lot bigger than you, expect so it took us a long.
Speaker 2: Time it was already dark when we got. There we
Speaker 2: were driving along and we came up to a curve
Speaker 2: in the road and my headlights were shining into the.
Speaker 2: Woods and we saw a figure that was brown from
Speaker 2: head to. Toe it jumped against the tree like it
Speaker 2: was trying to hide by jumping against the. Tree, MIKE i,
Speaker 2: said did you see that to my? Daughter and she, said,
Speaker 2: yeah it's a guy in a brown coat brown pants sighting.
Speaker 2: It and this is In. July SO i, said you
Speaker 2: think it's a hoax and she, said, yeah it was,
Speaker 2: somebody somebody dressed, Up so you, know maybe it was a.
Speaker 2: Hoax but it's really kind of odd and there was
Speaker 2: not a lot of cars on the. Road, yeah it
Speaker 2: was kind of a weird encounter.
Speaker 1: That really Makes that's one of those things, where, yeah
Speaker 1: it makes you wonder because it's, like it could be
Speaker 1: a guy that's just messing with, people or you, KNOW
Speaker 1: i think you could have actually seen. Something what approximate
Speaker 1: year was did that take place?
Speaker 2: In this was twenty, seventeen, okay.
Speaker 3: Gotcha and then at around twenty, twenty me and my
Speaker 3: friend were Around darrington and we were traveling the forest.
Speaker 2: ROAD i had a jeep and we went down this.
Speaker 2: Road it was starting to get more, narrow so we
Speaker 2: found a turnout and we were turning, back but we
Speaker 2: had to do like a five point, turn AND i
Speaker 2: put it in reverse and backed. Up i'm just about
Speaker 2: ready to go, straight BUT i needed to back up
Speaker 2: a couple more. Times SO i put it in reverse
Speaker 2: And i'm watching the camera and something passes behind the.
Speaker 2: CAMERA i could only see it look like from the
Speaker 2: waist to the knee, down but something passed by the.
Speaker 2: Camera AND i told my, FRIEND i, said something's behind.
Speaker 2: US i moved forward AND i put it in reverse,
Speaker 2: again And i'm backed, up and then she started screaming
Speaker 2: at me because she saw it, Too and, yeah and you,
Speaker 2: know she's willing to probably talk to you if you.
Speaker 2: Wanted BUT i, mean we couldn't definitively say that this
Speaker 2: was a, sasquatch but it was really. Weird the only
Speaker 2: THING i could think it could be is maybe a
Speaker 2: large bird flapping its wings and kind of an angle
Speaker 2: that a leg. Is BUT i don't. KNOW i don't
Speaker 2: think it was anybody, hoaxed and there's no cars up
Speaker 2: there or anything, Sure SO i was trying to get some.
Speaker 2: PHOTOS i do. PHOTOGRAPHY i think we talked about that,
Speaker 2: before you, know before we started, recording AND i was
Speaker 2: trying to get pictures of what's the name of the
Speaker 2: Peak Glacier, peak which is kind of. Hidden it's hard
Speaker 2: to really See Glacier peak unless you want to, hike
Speaker 2: AND i take my FAT i do drone, photography SO
Speaker 2: i was flying my drone trying to get some photos
Speaker 2: Of Glacier peak at the.
Speaker 1: Time so this this friend that you had in the
Speaker 1: car with. You did she? Then how did she get
Speaker 1: a look at? It was it also in the background
Speaker 1: back backup camera or was?
Speaker 2: It, yes, OKAY i have a habit when something scares
Speaker 2: me like, THAT i don't even want to. KNOW i
Speaker 2: just move. Forward SO i didn't look in my rearview.
Speaker 2: MIRROR i didn't want to. SEE i just wanted to
Speaker 2: get out of.
Speaker 1: There so absolutely that was going to kind of Be
Speaker 1: my follow up is that after that, happened then did
Speaker 1: you get out of there as quick as you?
Speaker 2: Can or, yes, yeah, okay. Gotcha. Mhm emily laughed about.
Speaker 2: It of course afterwards she's here the living daylights out
Speaker 2: of me by screaming in my ear about. It it
Speaker 2: doesn't startle me as. MUCH i will see these things,
Speaker 2: anymore but for other people it. Does and, yeah my
Speaker 2: perception of this was this was a juvenile side squatch
Speaker 2: trying to show. Off my next sighting was really cool
Speaker 2: AND i feel LIKE i was communicating with now on miss.
Speaker 2: Sighting this is in twenty twenty. One it's a lake
Speaker 2: on the. PENINSULA i won't disclose the. LOCATION i got
Speaker 2: to the site AND i had just gotten The Starlink
Speaker 2: internet satellite back back then AND i was trying it,
Speaker 2: out SO i. Stopped it was kind of a, clearing
Speaker 2: but there was a lot of brush on the side
Speaker 2: of the trees and it was A douglas fur. TREE
Speaker 2: i wanted to take some photos of The douglas fur,
Speaker 2: tree BUT i stopped and WHEN i got out to
Speaker 2: set at The starlink art some rustling around than the,
Speaker 2: brush AND i started talking to. IT i, Said i'm
Speaker 2: just here to take pictures of the tree over here
Speaker 2: and to test my. Equipment out called it THAT i
Speaker 2: heard no other. Sounds for a, WHILE i flew my.
Speaker 2: DRONE i took some pictures of The douglas fur but
Speaker 2: then WHEN i started flying, BACK i noticed that there's
Speaker 2: snows still on top of the mountains and the lake
Speaker 2: and the fore. Ground SO i was, like, oh that
Speaker 2: w make a lovely. Photo SO i turned my drone
Speaker 2: and started flying over, there and THEN i heard some
Speaker 2: stomping on the ground boom, boom, boom And i'm, like, okay, okay,
Speaker 2: OKAY i will bring it. Back SO i brought my
Speaker 2: dram back and it. STOPPED i heard nothing else the
Speaker 2: whole TIME i was, There SO i feel they do
Speaker 2: have some level or ability to communicate and understand. Us
Speaker 2: the end of the. Brush let me tell you about the.
Speaker 2: Brush it's kind of about six foot. Tall it's kind
Speaker 2: of a it almost looks like. Reeds it's like a
Speaker 2: tan color In Washington. State you, know if you have a,
Speaker 2: clearing it seems like the brush just gets really out
Speaker 2: of hand and. TALL i felt like the hide in that,
Speaker 2: stuff it, seems and that comes into play in another
Speaker 2: ENCOUNTER i had in a few. Minutes but let's, SEE
Speaker 2: i did got a lake cornault AND i had a
Speaker 2: really weird. Encounter you can't even call it in an,
Speaker 2: encounter but something strange. HAPPENED i wanted to see how
Speaker 2: tall The douglas fir trees. There they're like the, tallest
Speaker 2: some of the tallest in the, nation like three hundred feet.
Speaker 2: Tall SO i wanted to take my drone and measure
Speaker 2: the height of the. Tree SO i saw one in the.
Speaker 2: Forest SO i parked on the side of the road
Speaker 2: and went, in AND i noticed there was a stump
Speaker 2: near there that was really. LARGE a large tree had
Speaker 2: been cut down, there and there was some brush around
Speaker 2: it and, everything BUT i, mean this stump was big
Speaker 2: enough to park a large truck. On it was pretty good. Size, well,
Speaker 2: Anyway i'm finding my drone up to the top of the.
Speaker 2: Tree it was two hundred something. Feet THEN i landed
Speaker 2: the drone and then in my HEAD i had a
Speaker 2: clear dog get out of, here AND i mean almost
Speaker 2: LIKE i could hear. It it was that clear in my.
Speaker 2: Head And i'm, like, oh, Okay i'm just taking. Photos
Speaker 2: and THEN i heard what's? THAT i, said this just
Speaker 2: a drone AND i said it, verbally it's just a.
Speaker 2: Drone and then he said AND i, SAID i was
Speaker 2: measuring the, tree just looking at the, tree and they, said,
Speaker 2: okay go, ahead AND i, said like they were giving
Speaker 2: me permission to fly it, again And i'm, like, No i'm.
Speaker 2: LEAVING i don't know about Mind speaker or anything like.
Speaker 2: That i've not really subscribed to, that but that was
Speaker 2: really odd to have those. FEELINGS i don't know if
Speaker 2: there's just there on the back of the neck like
Speaker 2: you're indeeder leave right. Now but then when they realized
Speaker 2: WHAT i was, doing they felt comfortable with. That it
Speaker 2: that WAS i don't know if that's the weirdest encounter
Speaker 2: That i've, had and that was Around Lake. QUINAULT i
Speaker 2: have never seen anything, there but that, Was, yeah that
Speaker 2: was very struggling to. Me then my last, encounter, actually,
Speaker 2: now let me tell you the other. ONE i think
Speaker 2: it was in twenty twenty. TWO i was driving Between
Speaker 2: Mount Saint helens and, uh let's SEE i throw down
Speaker 2: that road. NUMBER i can tell you the actual forest road.
Speaker 2: NUMBER i was driving between or Behind Mount Saint helens
Speaker 2: And Mount. ADAMS i was driving between, that going from
Speaker 2: the north side to the south side on some of
Speaker 2: the forest, roads AND i actually camped in there. Overnight
Speaker 2: but WHEN i, STOPPED i was trying to get some
Speaker 2: pictures of the. Mountain this was still during the, daytime
Speaker 2: AND i heard a very large limb. Snap the limb
Speaker 2: must have been at least two inches stick because it's
Speaker 2: a very hefty, snap AND i knew that it was,
Speaker 2: WELL i felt it was sasquatch telling me to leave
Speaker 2: and move on AND i, said, Okay i'm, leaving and
Speaker 2: then it started coming down the hill towards. Me and
Speaker 2: THEN i do carry SOMETIMES i carry a. FIREARM i
Speaker 2: grabbed the firearm and then it stopped and that was
Speaker 2: the LAST i had. THERE i did camp overnight out there.
Speaker 2: Afterwards that was Around Eight canyon.
Speaker 1: Area oh, wow so you were you were camping around
Speaker 1: the Eight canyon.
Speaker 2: Area, yes, wow And. SUNNY i do all these things
Speaker 2: along BECAUSE i do most of these things along because
Speaker 2: WHEN i go out with someone And i'm trying to
Speaker 2: take photos and, stuff it kind OF i feel Like
Speaker 2: i'm also SOMETIMES i have to watch out for. Them
Speaker 2: i've spent a lot of times in time in the
Speaker 2: woods from WHEN i was a child and, now and
Speaker 2: sometimes people do things That i'm, like, hey don't, go
Speaker 2: don't go over. There there're you, know mountain lions and
Speaker 2: things like. That so being mindful of. THINGS i, mean
Speaker 2: you wouldn't go in the ocean if there's great whites
Speaker 2: when in, There so you got to be careful in
Speaker 2: the forest. Too there's things out there that can harm, you.
Speaker 1: Oh one hundred. Percent AND i think that's an important
Speaker 1: thing to bring, up is you, know people are going
Speaker 1: to go out looking for bigfoot in these. Areas these
Speaker 1: areas are very unforgiving and you've got to be you,
Speaker 1: know worast case, scenario you, know prepared for other predators as,
Speaker 1: Well like there are cougars out there and they can
Speaker 1: really come right after you and not, care so you
Speaker 1: have to be prepared for. That So i'm glad that
Speaker 1: you know you are prepared and you have your you,
Speaker 1: know military, backgrounds SO i definitely are prepared with the right,
Speaker 1: Gear so that is good to.
Speaker 2: HEAR i try, to BUT i do always end up
Speaker 2: because people have asked to go out with me that
Speaker 2: WHEN i usually go out And i'm. It you, know
Speaker 2: WHEN i was driving my, JEEP i got some pretty
Speaker 2: narrow roads on some shelf, roads and there's a lot
Speaker 2: of people that don't want to do. That so, Yeah
Speaker 2: i'm trying to be mindful of. It IF i go
Speaker 2: with someone who's not gonna want to do these, things
Speaker 2: that it's going to really prevent me from getting the
Speaker 2: photos and things THAT i. Want SO i try to
Speaker 2: let people know Where i'm, going but you, know SOMETIMES
Speaker 2: i take a turn That i'm not supposed to by
Speaker 2: the way that the limb BREAK i got at The
Speaker 2: Super fun site was approximately it sounded like a two inch,
Speaker 2: Limb so it's, like if you hear a good hefty limb,
Speaker 2: break then there's a chance it could be. SASQUATCHED i
Speaker 2: was listening to your show this morning AND i heard
Speaker 2: you know that they like. MUSIC i don't know what
Speaker 2: episode it, was but if you play rock and roll,
Speaker 2: role they might leave you. Alone ALL i tried that.
Speaker 2: Before that didn't. WORK i Played hollie To hell by
Speaker 2: MAYBE i can't say, that but by a, group and
Speaker 2: something was coming towards me When i'm playing, that So i'm, like,
Speaker 2: OKAY i turned it up a little, louder but it
Speaker 2: still was, coming SO i turned it. Off that didn't.
Speaker 2: Work SO i don't know if music is the way
Speaker 2: to keep the thing away from.
Speaker 1: You it's it's a really interesting topic that does get
Speaker 1: brought up every once in a, while and that's interesting
Speaker 1: that that particular song had that had that effect. THERE
Speaker 1: a lot of people think it might have to do
Speaker 1: with the beat of this. SONG a lot of there
Speaker 1: was let's, See Henry farnzoni used to use the Song
Speaker 1: ballero because the type of beat it had was supposed
Speaker 1: very effective in bringing in the. Sasquatch so take that
Speaker 1: for entertainment uses, Only but, yeah that does come up
Speaker 1: on the show every once in a.
Speaker 2: While What i've, actually you, know What i've been doing
Speaker 2: lately is not trying, music but talking to the forest
Speaker 2: as a, therapist doing forest, bathing which is just being
Speaker 2: present in the moment in the. Forest it's very relaxing
Speaker 2: and being mindful of the things you're. DOING i think
Speaker 2: that is communicating a lot to the. Sasquatch when you
Speaker 2: go out and they see you not you, know cutting
Speaker 2: down a tree or with a firearm on your, side they,
Speaker 2: THEY i don't, KNOW i guess respect that some and
Speaker 2: probably more likely to have a citing iss you are
Speaker 2: out there and actually conversing with the. Forest.
Speaker 1: Okay that is something THAT i did try WHEN i
Speaker 1: was out in the woods in Oak ridge this time
Speaker 1: down In, oregon BECAUSE i was, like you, Know i've
Speaker 1: never tried, THIS i just want to try. It AND
Speaker 1: i was in an area up there AND i, said
Speaker 1: what DID i, say if if you're, here can you
Speaker 1: let me? Know AND i would say a few seconds
Speaker 1: after words about how maybe thirty yards into the woods
Speaker 1: heard a you, know triple. KNOCK i was, Like, oh
Speaker 1: that's that's. Weird that's really. Weird SO i was, Like
Speaker 1: i'm gonna try it. Again did the same thing again
Speaker 1: WHERE i actually said it out, loud and then there
Speaker 1: was return knocks a few seconds. Later very very. Strange
Speaker 1: but it might be SOMETHING i start to do more.
Speaker 2: Myself, yeah that would be. GREAT i, SEE i have
Speaker 2: one more sighting AND i think it was the most
Speaker 2: meaningful That i've ever. Had it was my last, one
Speaker 2: and it was in The Olympic National forest AND i
Speaker 2: went AND i was going to take some pictures of some.
Speaker 2: LIKING i saw some liking on the. Ground it's like
Speaker 2: in some places on The Olympic, peninsula the liking just
Speaker 2: blankets to the ground like a. Carpet and if you
Speaker 2: ever were able to go out and walk barefooted on
Speaker 2: it or anything like, that it's. Amazing it's like a shag.
Speaker 2: Carpet SO i was trying to get out and take
Speaker 2: pictures of, that but THEN i noticed a. Footprint it
Speaker 2: could have just been a person's. Footprint it was a
Speaker 2: pretty large, one probably about fifteen inches, long AND i
Speaker 2: took a photo of. IT i went to the. FOREST
Speaker 2: i saw THAT i was taking some, pictures AND i
Speaker 2: started telling sasquatch or talking to the, forest, saying you,
Speaker 2: KNOW i want to protect. You you, KNOW i Feel
Speaker 2: i've seen some of the damage from, clearcutting how it
Speaker 2: just drains the moisture out of the. Land WHEN i
Speaker 2: would be driving All mountaineer where they clearcut you could
Speaker 2: just see the water just pouring out from the. Roots
Speaker 2: and you, KNOW i was talking to the forest, Saying
Speaker 2: i'm sorry we cut all your trees, down and you
Speaker 2: KNOW i shouldn't. HAVE i guess apologized for, that BUT
Speaker 2: i do realize that we try to turn a profit from,
Speaker 2: things AND i was just explaining, that AND i took my.
Speaker 2: Photos THEN i got in my truck And i'm starting
Speaker 2: to drive away AND i look over to the right
Speaker 2: AND i can see the mountains between the, trees but
Speaker 2: from like a huge rock, THERE i see a sasquatch pop.
Speaker 2: Up he popped his head up and he was like
Speaker 2: his fur was kind of gray color and his scam was,
Speaker 2: tan and he was doing like a push up, physician
Speaker 2: like he had his arms out to his side pushing himself.
Speaker 2: Up his head was kind of wlocky looking on a square,
Speaker 2: shape but he had liking on his head and liking
Speaker 2: on his, shoulder and the liking was falling off as
Speaker 2: he was coming. Up AND i looked at him for
Speaker 2: about two, seconds AND i was already starting to move
Speaker 2: in my, truck SO i looked ahead to see WHERE
Speaker 2: i was and make SURE i was on the, road
Speaker 2: AND i looked back again and it was. Gone, Afterwards
Speaker 2: i'm driving down the road for a couple of miles
Speaker 2: AND i come up to a place where there's a
Speaker 2: bunch of birch trees and they kind of covered the
Speaker 2: forest roads make it almost look like a, tunnel AND
Speaker 2: i wanted to get some photos of, that SO i
Speaker 2: stopped my, truck and as soon AS i, did a
Speaker 2: deer at the about a quarter mile away up, ahead
Speaker 2: seen out of the, woods turned around and looked back
Speaker 2: in the woods like it wanted to go back in,
Speaker 2: there but it was scared to. WELL i kind of
Speaker 2: got a sense that it had followed, me SO i
Speaker 2: took my drone and a lot of the brush was back.
Speaker 2: There it was kind of, high like six foot, tall
Speaker 2: kind of like the BRUSH i told you about and
Speaker 2: that other encounter WHERE i was communicating with them WHILE
Speaker 2: i took my drone AND i flew it. OVER i
Speaker 2: was going to make sure there was none in there
Speaker 2: BEFORE i was taking. PHOTOS i didn't want anything to
Speaker 2: pop out on. Me SO i was flying it. Over
Speaker 2: the deer was still standing, there looking into the woods
Speaker 2: like it wanted to go back out out in the.
Speaker 2: WOODS i think maybe it had a fawn in there or. Something,
Speaker 2: well it started coming towards. Me the deer was just
Speaker 2: walking towards, me and it got real. Close And i've
Speaker 2: seen what deer can do when they were up and
Speaker 2: hit you with your. Hoofs SO i grabbed a hunting
Speaker 2: knife AND i, SAID i, pointed AND i, pointed AND i,
Speaker 2: said go that's kind of they get. Away and so
Speaker 2: it walked back to where it came out of the,
Speaker 2: woods looked at the. Woods then it turned around and
Speaker 2: went to the other side of the, road And i'm, like,
Speaker 2: Okay i'm. Leaving SO i got my. TRUCK i took,
Speaker 2: off AND i felt like it was following me in
Speaker 2: the woods AS i was. DRIVING i just kept going
Speaker 2: and got out of. There, so which is really odd
Speaker 2: because that meant it would have been running through the
Speaker 2: woods that are like twenty miles an.
Speaker 1: Hour really this has affected your entire, life you, know
Speaker 1: going back to when you were a very young child
Speaker 1: and you finally are able to you, know have that that.
Speaker 1: Sighting how did you feel during that sighting and then
Speaker 1: and right after? It how did that affect you?
Speaker 2: Emotionally, DAD i don't. Know it's LIKE i kind of
Speaker 2: felt like it was trying to communicate with, me because
Speaker 2: the thing, IS i was taking pictures of the lock
Speaker 2: in and AS i look over AND i see this
Speaker 2: thing come up with like and falling off of, IT
Speaker 2: i think it was acknowledging the fact that that's WHAT
Speaker 2: i was, doing and it was allowing me to see.
Speaker 2: IT i felt like it was intentional on its, part
Speaker 2: and typically they. DO i think if you see, them
Speaker 2: it's on their. Terms USUALLY i Think i've gotten a
Speaker 2: drop on them, before but it's typically they're allowing you
Speaker 2: to see. It like WHEN i had a gun in my,
Speaker 2: HAND i THINK i got to drop on. It it
Speaker 2: didn't KNOW i was. There but normally they can be
Speaker 2: standing just a few feet off the trail and you
Speaker 2: walk beside them and you won't even know they're. There
Speaker 2: they usually hide in the weeds or the reeds and
Speaker 2: In louisiana And. Texas Around Keddow, lake there's a lot
Speaker 2: of long leaf pines and sometimes you can drive along
Speaker 2: and if you see a dead pine tree that's tan
Speaker 2: with a bunch of tan long leaf long leaves on,
Speaker 2: it it looks like. Fur, SO i mean they can
Speaker 2: easily hide in that. Stuff you won't even know that. There.
Speaker 1: INTERESTING i know that a lot of people will have
Speaker 1: really different responses after they have that first, sighting and
Speaker 1: it goes FROM i want to have a sighting, again
Speaker 1: or NOW i know they're real AND i can't go
Speaker 1: back into the woods AND i never want to see that.
Speaker 1: Again where would you put yourself on you, know was
Speaker 1: it more closer to the let's have another sighting or
Speaker 1: more close to, like, yeah this is totally freaked me.
Speaker 2: OUT i Mean i'll still go in the. Forest but
Speaker 2: here's WHAT i typically, do and my friends have COMMON
Speaker 2: i just LIKE i usually don't leave my truck too far.
Speaker 2: Away so my friends asked me to do a several
Speaker 2: day hike And i'm, like, NO i don't know about,
Speaker 2: that but if you want to go AM i jeep
Speaker 2: to some bag list of, Places i'm fine with that
Speaker 2: BECAUSE i can get in it and take off and you,
Speaker 2: know if it wants to come and pound on my
Speaker 2: vehicle or, whatever then we'll take care of that incident
Speaker 2: when it. Happens you, know IF i carry a, firearm you,
Speaker 2: KNOW i read The Daniel boone account AND i would
Speaker 2: do the same that he did with shooting in the. Face.
Speaker 1: YEAH i think, that you, know the way that you
Speaker 1: view things as is a good middle ground where if
Speaker 1: if it happens where you have to protect, yourself you
Speaker 1: are more than able to do so and able to do.
Speaker 1: That but it's not a thing where you are actively
Speaker 1: going out into the woods and you're, Like, Okay i'm
Speaker 1: going to take take this out and you know put
Speaker 1: it INTO. Cm, no we're not going to do.
Speaker 2: That, yeah but, NO i don't advocate for killing. ONE i,
Speaker 2: mean do we really need to kill one to prove it's?
Speaker 2: There can we do it a different? WAY i think we.
Speaker 2: Can you, know it just takes willingness to lower your
Speaker 2: guard to go out and speak to this thing through the.
Speaker 2: Forest if you communicate your intent and be truthful about,
Speaker 2: IT i think it will stew. ITSELF i won't also
Speaker 2: mention the fire was kind OF i have kind of
Speaker 2: developed a theory even before this that maybe either a
Speaker 2: fur is either translucent or potentially can change color like
Speaker 2: an octopus can change, color or other animals can do
Speaker 2: so to confuse our. VISION i think it's very possible that,
Speaker 2: that you, know that's because the fur looked kind of
Speaker 2: odd to. Me it's kind of a gray, color but
Speaker 2: almost like a translucent.
Speaker 1: Gray that that is really. INTERESTING i think that the
Speaker 1: normal human does not realize how incredible even just the
Speaker 1: animals of this world are and what they can. Do for,
Speaker 1: EXAMPLE i just learned about a new frog the other
Speaker 1: day On National geographic called THE i think glass, frog
Speaker 1: and what it does is it takes all of it's
Speaker 1: almost all of its blood and puts it into its
Speaker 1: liver so that it becomes almost translucent to hide from.
Speaker 1: Predators crazy, stuff.
Speaker 2: Right So i've never heard of.
Speaker 1: That, yes it's you check it. Out it's a wild.
Speaker 1: One but that being, said as you, mentioned like the,
Speaker 1: octopus there are so, many you, know things that are
Speaker 1: in the natural world that can do weird. STUFF i
Speaker 1: don't think it's out of the question that that bigfoot
Speaker 1: can do some some weird stuff to hide as. WELL
Speaker 1: i don't, know maybe maybe someday we'll be able to
Speaker 1: figure that out for.
Speaker 2: Sure but, yeah absolutely. Absolutely let's, SEE i do have
Speaker 2: MY BFRs siding is the sighting numbers eighty one oh. Seven,
Speaker 2: okay if you're ever interested wants you're trying to find
Speaker 2: the forest roads THAT i had wrote those. Down, okay
Speaker 2: someone that ever wants to, GO i, mean if they
Speaker 2: snap lombs on me And i'll give their location away
Speaker 2: and there we go the. Road, Okay So Forest road
Speaker 2: twenty five and that goes Between Mount Saint helens And Mount.
Speaker 2: Adams it's some of the most remote areas that you're
Speaker 2: going to find in THE.
Speaker 1: Us how long does it take to make that trip
Speaker 1: across From Mount Saint helens To adams on that?
Speaker 2: Road let's. SEE i started probably around noon and didn't
Speaker 2: finish until the next, morning SO i stayed overnight AND
Speaker 2: i went from there down to The Lahar. Reviewpoint it
Speaker 2: was actually a nice area, there and that's really close
Speaker 2: to Eight, canyon and also Eight cave is near there,
Speaker 2: too Which i've read about A k Eight. Cave it's
Speaker 2: from WHAT i read in the, past it was like
Speaker 2: named after a Boy scout troop And i'm, like, yeah
Speaker 2: but why were the Boy scouts named eight, exactly so
Speaker 2: kind of blows a hole in that. Story but the
Speaker 2: place WHERE i think would really make if you can
Speaker 2: get in there a good staging area In texas is
Speaker 2: The Longhorn Army Ammo. Plant you've got a Great Star
Speaker 2: ranch is right On Caddo lake with just be careful
Speaker 2: if you go out, there don't steal the. Moss if
Speaker 2: people listen decide to go To Star, ranch don't steal
Speaker 2: moss from the. Trees once you tear it off to
Speaker 2: take home, it you, know it doesn't replace that. Quickly
Speaker 2: so there's some beautiful moss on the trees out, there
Speaker 2: AND i think that also helps them hide.
Speaker 1: To, now is that an area that's open to the
Speaker 1: public or.
Speaker 2: It Is nobody goes out there, either WHICH i think
Speaker 2: that's why it's been kept so. Beautiful it is through
Speaker 2: The Army Ammo, plant and they could close the gates,
Speaker 2: eventually you, know if people started destroying the. Stuff but but,
Speaker 2: yeah IT'S i, mean it's a really large. Area nobody
Speaker 2: goes in. There it's very kind of gives you a remote.
Speaker 2: Feeling and you do have late access there, too like
Speaker 2: if you wanted to kayak or.
Speaker 1: Whatnot that's that's pretty. Cool something definitely to check. Out you,
Speaker 1: know as, always any any area that's talked about on the,
Speaker 1: show do you do diligence to check it out before
Speaker 1: you just go and be prepared for. Anything really make
Speaker 1: sure you have stuff with.
Speaker 2: You there's a lot of bogs back there.
Speaker 1: Too, yeah, gotcha, gotcha lot of.
Speaker 2: Bogs, okay you.
Speaker 1: Have had some just incredible stuff happened over the, years
Speaker 1: and it's cool how you've been able to check out
Speaker 1: bigfoot activity in different areas of THE. Us would you
Speaker 1: say that there's a part of THE us that you've
Speaker 1: been focusing on that probably has a better chance of
Speaker 1: having bigfoot activity or has it been pretty much steady
Speaker 1: in all the different.
Speaker 2: Areas, no you, Know i've not really been focused on finding.
Speaker 2: SASQUATCH i would think the AREA i told you, about
Speaker 2: like if you did more to go and use to
Speaker 2: search as maybe our team or, something The Star ranch.
Speaker 2: Area but What i've noticed is like different areas you've
Speaker 2: got different attitudes from these. Things Like, louisiana you're going
Speaker 2: to have a little more aggressive. Nature some of them
Speaker 2: they're a little more. Elusive they don't want to be,
Speaker 2: seen so they're a little smaller. Too the ones In,
Speaker 2: washington the ones especially on the, peninsula are very respectful
Speaker 2: of your. Space AND i, think if you, know if,
Speaker 2: SOMEBODY i think those two areas are probably the best
Speaker 2: out Of Lake area from What i've, SEEN i would
Speaker 2: go there Or. Washington The olympics Go Olympic National. Park
Speaker 2: i've never really felt that they were in the park.
Speaker 2: Itself maybe on the. Corners i'm sure it's safer their
Speaker 2: front for. Them you can go in The Olympic National
Speaker 2: park and the deer will just come up right. Up
Speaker 2: they won't eat out of your hand if you wanted them,
Speaker 2: to BUT i would caution against. That they're pretty light
Speaker 2: and the, older so just be. CAREFUL a girl two
Speaker 2: weeks ago it was attacked by cougar up. THERE i
Speaker 2: actually was going to The National park that day and
Speaker 2: they as soon AS i got, there they closed the
Speaker 2: gates because the girl was. Attacked oh my, god and
Speaker 2: she did. Survive that was like two weeks. Ago it's
Speaker 2: been all over the news. Here oh.
Speaker 1: Wow you never you always got to be. Prepared you
Speaker 1: never know what you're going to run into out. There And,
Speaker 1: kay it's been a enjoyable. CONVERSATION i want to make
Speaker 1: sure that you were able to talk about everything that
Speaker 1: you had come to the show today with.
Speaker 2: Just about you, KNOW i did want to touch on
Speaker 2: like the trauma that this can induce and, Cause LIKE
Speaker 2: i used to have nightmares for this speaking to if
Speaker 2: you do, therapy speaking to a therapist about this can be.
Speaker 2: Important it can help you work through to the traumas of.
Speaker 2: This i've had a therapist WHERE i mentioned That i've
Speaker 2: seen this and they wanted to refer me to a,
Speaker 2: shaman WHICH i. Refused so it is possible to switch
Speaker 2: therapists if you, know if you really need to speak
Speaker 2: about these, things switch to a therapist that's comfortable talking about.
Speaker 2: THIS i do believe that people don't want to talk
Speaker 2: about it because they don't really want to come to
Speaker 2: the realization that there's something that scary out in the
Speaker 2: forest because to a lot of, people this is a.
Speaker 2: Monster but if you can think of it more as
Speaker 2: there's a grizzly, bear they're dangerous. Also but we can't
Speaker 2: survive this planet with grizzly. Bears we just have to
Speaker 2: be mindful of. That you do your due diligence before going,
Speaker 2: out make sure you take measures to protect yourself and
Speaker 2: be comfortable in the wilderness and not get. Lost let
Speaker 2: people know where you're. Going those things are. IMPORTANT i,
Speaker 2: also you, know if people are having problems around their,
Speaker 2: house there's things you could probably do to get fosquatch
Speaker 2: away from your. House AND i would say if you
Speaker 2: can create like a firebreak or cut some trees from
Speaker 2: around your house to move that out a little, further
Speaker 2: maybe they will stop hitting on your house or. WHATNOT
Speaker 2: i would also let them know before you cut, them
Speaker 2: you're doing this because of. Them that way they know
Speaker 2: if they continue to do, it it's more could you get.
Speaker 2: Cut so just do for them to be aware because
Speaker 2: they do have a level of communication that we can
Speaker 2: communicate that to. Them cameras are always. Good if you
Speaker 2: want to put cameras in your window and, whatnot that
Speaker 2: can also help keep them.
Speaker 1: Away and are you talking about game cameras, Specifically, no not.
Speaker 2: REALLY i do believe they can see infrared. LIGHT i
Speaker 2: mean you can see infrared. Light if you hold your
Speaker 2: iPhone up and look at something in the, camera you
Speaker 2: can see the infrared light on your. Camera it's not
Speaker 2: a far stretch for an animal to have eyesight good
Speaker 2: enough to see that wavelength of, light just like an
Speaker 2: eagle can see a lot better than we. CAN i
Speaker 2: do believe they can see better than we. Can so
Speaker 2: if you put gam of cameras, UP i don't think
Speaker 2: it's going to do. Anything it might keep them out
Speaker 2: of that. SPOT i guess if you maybe do it
Speaker 2: on the corner of your, house they might stay away
Speaker 2: from that areas because they don't want to be on the.
Speaker 1: Camera thank you for coming on the, show AND i
Speaker 1: have a quick question for you after we stop.
Speaker 2: Recording, okay so thank.
Speaker 1: You just wanted to take a mite say thank you
Speaker 1: for listening to this episode of The Bigfoot society. Podcast
Speaker 1: kase story is one of those rare encounters that stay
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