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Speaker 3: Hey there, Warriors, it's me CJ boy. Am I going
Speaker 3: to have an expensive next few months. My youngest niece
Speaker 3: is getting married in May in the Sacramento area. I've
Speaker 3: already booked a room for two nights for my daughter
Speaker 3: and I. Next I'll have to rent a car to
Speaker 3: save putting more mileage on my car. I have to
Speaker 3: get an outfit for me and one for my daughter
Speaker 3: to wear to the wedding. Got to give my haircut.
Speaker 3: Then I have to book another room for the drive home,
Speaker 3: because we're going to travel to this the San Francisco
Speaker 3: area the day after the wedding and spend time there
Speaker 3: so my daughter and I can meet my three little
Speaker 3: great nephews. I also have to come up with a
Speaker 3: wedding gift, which'll probably be a check boy. Do I
Speaker 3: miss my family. I also wanted to let you know
Speaker 3: I'll probably be taking next week off. The kids are
Speaker 3: finally taking me camping this weekend, and I don't think
Speaker 3: i'll be back in time to pull off researching and
Speaker 3: getting another case together. I'll try to put a miniesota out,
Speaker 3: but no promises. The case this episode is a wild
Speaker 3: one that I have never heard of before. Normally, we
Speaker 3: start our cases at the beginning, but I think I
Speaker 3: might take a different approach this time. I'm going to
Speaker 3: start backwards to unfold it. With that, let's get into
Speaker 3: it this last time. She spent over thirty years incarcerated.
Speaker 3: Trans woman Harvey Marceline was released from prison on August seven,
Speaker 3: two thousand and night. Harvey was eighty one years old
Speaker 3: at the time. Harvey, who also went by Marceline Harvey,
Speaker 3: is a killer technically a serial killer, but the system
Speaker 3: believed Harvey had served her time although she was on
Speaker 3: a lifetime parole. The belief was now that she was
Speaker 3: in her eighties and very frail, she was no longer
Speaker 3: a threat to society and boy the justice system. They
Speaker 3: had no idea how very wrong they were. After her release,
Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen, Harvey met sixty eight year old Susan
Speaker 3: Leyden on a social media platform. The two became instant friends.
Speaker 3: They agreed to meet at a park, and shortly after
Speaker 3: their meeting, they decided to live together in an LGBTQ
Speaker 3: friendly homeless shelter. Then pulling their welfare checks together, they
Speaker 3: moved into an apartment in Brooklyn. During the course of
Speaker 3: their living together, the two developed romantic feelings for one another.
Speaker 3: Harvey would even post pictures of Susan on his social
Speaker 3: media One had the caption love Personified. Susan's social media
Speaker 3: account painted a much different story. In one of her
Speaker 3: replies to a Harvey post, Susan called Harvey a freak,
Speaker 3: a close friend of Susan's reported that Susan was getting
Speaker 3: increasingly afraid of Harvey and she wanted to end their relationship.
Speaker 3: So it seems that Susan was somewhat released from the
Speaker 3: relationship and from the apartment she shared with Harvey. Susan
Speaker 3: went on to live in an LGBTQ shelter in Brooklyn.
Speaker 3: On March fourth of twenty twenty two, Harvey, who is
Speaker 3: now eighty three years old, entered a ninety nine cent
Speaker 3: store right being a motorized scooter, you know, the kind
Speaker 3: that you might see for people with physical disabilities. On
Speaker 3: the surveillance footage, Harvey stands up from the scooter and
Speaker 3: grabs an item from the shelf inside the store. When
Speaker 3: Harvey stands up, there's a plastic bag that she had
Speaker 3: been sitting on. The bag contained Susan's leg. You're probably wondering, now,
Speaker 3: how did we suddenly go from a senior couple living
Speaker 3: together to parting of ways to this? Well, maybe that's
Speaker 3: why we don't usually tell stories backwards. On March third,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two, a man found a human torso in
Speaker 3: a bag and a shopping cart on the corner near
Speaker 3: where Harvey lived. Police obtained days of surveillance footage of
Speaker 3: the nearby area and they diligently went through all of it.
Speaker 3: They found some with Harvey leaving her apartment with a
Speaker 3: garbage bag. This is believed to have been Susan's torso.
Speaker 3: They also found footage of Susan visiting Harvey's apartment on
Speaker 3: February twenty seventh, but they could not find any footage
Speaker 3: of Susan ever leaving. After her visit to the ninety
Speaker 3: nine cent store, Harvey was arrested at her apartment. Plus
Speaker 3: police detectives came armed with a search warrant for the unit.
Speaker 3: Inside they discovered Susan's head and a few other body parts.
Speaker 3: There were bloody sheets, a bloody mop, along with power
Speaker 3: tools and cleaners that had been recently purchased at a
Speaker 3: home depot by Harvey. Susan's autopsy came back and it
Speaker 3: was definitive that she had been murdered. She did not
Speaker 3: die of natural causes before her dismemberment. Blunt force trauma
Speaker 3: to her head was the reason for her death. After
Speaker 3: being arrested and charged for Susan's murder, Harvey was whisked
Speaker 3: away to Riker's Island with no possibility of bailing out.
Speaker 3: So much for being a fair little old lady and
Speaker 3: definitely not a golden girl. Now we'll go back to
Speaker 3: Harvey's early life. Harvey Marceline was born nineteen thirty eight
Speaker 3: in Harlem, New York. They were assigned mail at birth.
Speaker 3: Their dad was a shipping clerk and their mother a seamstress.
Speaker 3: Not long after their birth, the family, whose only child
Speaker 3: was Harvey, moved to the Washington Heights neighborhood of Manhattan.
Speaker 3: This is considered a more affordable area in Manhattan. Little
Speaker 3: Harvey was spoiled by his parents, that is until the
Speaker 3: dad passed away when Harvey was ten. Harvey attended a
Speaker 3: Catholic church school in Harlem, and according to Harvey, they
Speaker 3: were sexually abused here. They claimed to be whipped and
Speaker 3: forced to eat rotten food by the nuns of the church,
Speaker 3: and this caused them to act out. In Harvey's teenage years,
Speaker 3: they were sexually active and displayed sexually deviant behavior. By
Speaker 3: the time Harvey was thirteen, they dressed in drag for
Speaker 3: Halloween and loved it so much they continued to dress
Speaker 3: in drag afterwards until realizing they must be suffering from
Speaker 3: gender dysphoria or possibly gender euphoria. During this time, Harvey
Speaker 3: had their first sexual encounter with a man. In nineteen
Speaker 3: fifty two, at the age of fourteen, Harvey was accused
Speaker 3: of trying to sexually assault an eight year old girl,
Speaker 3: only to be put into a mental institution. Afterwards, Harvey
Speaker 3: would spend their whole summer in the institution being evaluated.
Speaker 3: The medical reports reflected that Harvey was a known truant,
Speaker 3: a thief, and a sexual deviant for having sex with
Speaker 3: both men and women. My god, fourteen years old and
Speaker 3: having sex with both men and women, I think the
Speaker 3: men and women having sex with a child should be
Speaker 3: considered the deviants. After being released from the institution, Harvey
Speaker 3: would return to the school and graduate from it, But
Speaker 3: then Harvey became involved in more criminal behavior. In nineteen
Speaker 3: fifty seven, Harvey was busted for burglary and they spent
Speaker 3: several months locked up in county jail. Harvey also turned
Speaker 3: to drugs as an escape. To their credit, Harvey sought
Speaker 3: out mental help, but no psychiatrist or therapist could pinpoint
Speaker 3: what mental disorder Harvey was suffering from. In the early
Speaker 3: nineteen sixties, Harvey married a woman named Florence Jackson, but
Speaker 3: the marriage was rocky from the get go, with Harvey
Speaker 3: being anc faithful. To look at Harvey, you may see
Speaker 3: no physical beauty, nothing outward, especially as they got older,
Speaker 3: but Harvey is apparently very charming and smooth with the words.
Speaker 3: Harvey willingly admitted themselves to Bellevue Psychiatric Hospital on April ninth,
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty two, where they were given the diagnosis of
Speaker 3: qunic schizophrenia and paranoia. They were discharged into their wife's
Speaker 3: custody on April sixteenth, nineteen sixty two. While there were
Speaker 3: many indiscretions for them. Harvey had a mainside dish named
Speaker 3: Jacqueline Bonds. They even got a Manhattan apartment together, but
Speaker 3: Jacqueline was not happy in the relationship and she tried
Speaker 3: to break things off with Harvey. In March nineteen sixty three.
Speaker 3: Harvey told Jacqueline, I'll get you for this, and on
Speaker 3: April eighteenth, nineteen sixty three, in their apartment, Harvey would
Speaker 3: shoot Jacqueline three times with a thirty two caliber revolver,
Speaker 3: ending her life. Harvey was arrested, charged, and at their trial,
Speaker 3: Harvey would be sentenced to twenty years to life in Attica,
Speaker 3: and that's because the jury couldn't decide on the death
Speaker 3: penalty or not. During their prison time, they were a
Speaker 3: full on participant in the Attica prison riots, which was
Speaker 3: a crazy crime in itself. On September ninth, eighteen seventy one,
Speaker 3: two thousand, two hundred inmates at Attica Correctional Facility rebelled
Speaker 3: over living conditions and demands for political rights. The inmates
Speaker 3: gained control of a portion of the prison, taking forty
Speaker 3: two staff members hostage. A four day period of negotiations
Speaker 3: took place in which the authorities agree I read to
Speaker 3: a total of twenty eight demands made by the inmates,
Speaker 3: but the parties were unable to resolve the issues of
Speaker 3: amnesty from criminal prosecution for the takeover, and the removal
Speaker 3: of the facility's superintendent. This is when Governor Neilson Rockefeller
Speaker 3: ordered the state police to take back control of the facility.
Speaker 3: This was accomplished on September thirteenth, nineteen seventy one. In all,
Speaker 3: forty three people lost their lives in the uprising, including
Speaker 3: eleven correction officers. And you all know how I love
Speaker 3: my dark history. In May of nineteen eighty four, Harvey,
Speaker 3: who was now fully identifying as a transwoman, was released
Speaker 3: from prison on parole. You might have noticed I used
Speaker 3: the they then pronouns before the transition, but now that
Speaker 3: Harvey is fully identifying as a trans woman, I'm going
Speaker 3: to go back to using She and her Harvey secured
Speaker 3: herself a home in an extended stay type place. This
Speaker 3: was in Harlem. Because of her incarceration, Harvey had troubles
Speaker 3: finding employment. Anne was in financial dire. She ended up
Speaker 3: renting out a room to make ends meet. In early
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty five, at the age of forty seven, Harvey
Speaker 3: would meet a twenty nine year old woman named Anna Miranda.
Speaker 3: Anna was a sex worker and she was a heroin attic.
Speaker 3: Anna quickly would become Harvey's new roommate. On October twenty
Speaker 3: ninth of nineteen eighty five, Harvey consumed some crack cocaine
Speaker 3: and in a heated argument with Anna, Harvey lunged at
Speaker 3: her with a knife, stabbing Anna to death. Harvey would
Speaker 3: dismember Anna's body, place the parts in trash bags, and
Speaker 3: then distribute the bags around Central Park. As the news
Speaker 3: of human remains found in beads around Central Park began
Speaker 3: to materialize. Harvey's neighbor called police, announcing that he had
Speaker 3: seen Harvey leaving her room with blood soaked trash bags.
Speaker 3: Harvey was immediately arrested and charged with Anna's murder. At
Speaker 3: her trial, Harvey admitted that she killed Anna, but she
Speaker 3: said it was in self defense. She explained that they
Speaker 3: were fighting about Anna not paying her rent, and then
Speaker 3: Anna got aggressive with her and she fought back. Anna's
Speaker 3: autopsy report showed that she had been stabbed thirty three times.
Speaker 3: Because Harvey admitted to the crime, her charge was reduced
Speaker 3: from murder to manslaughter, but since she violated her parole
Speaker 3: by committing another felony, she was returned back to prison
Speaker 3: to serve out the rest of her life sentence, with
Speaker 3: the manslaughter sentence adding twelve years to the life sentence.
Speaker 3: Between nineteen eight, twenty six to twenty nineteen, Harvey would
Speaker 3: appeal her sentence fifteen times, being denied each time. In
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety three, Harvey began her hormone therapy and she
Speaker 3: was dedicated to full on transitioning from male to female,
Speaker 3: which brings us current to where we started the case.
Speaker 3: In twenty nineteen. At Harvey's parole. Harvey has since admitted
Speaker 3: to having split personalities. When is her female side Marcelene,
Speaker 3: Marcelline is a peaceful, caring lesbian, while her male counterpart,
Speaker 3: Harvey is a bad guy. He's misogynistic, a deviant, and
Speaker 3: very aggressive. Harvey's trial for the murder of Susan Leyden
Speaker 3: began in March of twenty twenty four. It is still
Speaker 3: listed as ongoing. She has pleaded not guilty. If Harvey,
Speaker 3: who is at the age of eighty seven right now,
Speaker 3: lives through the trial and is found guilty, she will
Speaker 3: never haunt the streets of New York ever again, and
Speaker 3: will most likely die right where she belongs in prison.
Speaker 3: Rest in Power, Susan, Jacqueline and Anna our True Crime Quickie.
Speaker 3: This episode is from southern California. In nineteen ninety, twenty
Speaker 3: five year old Tasha Santiago was a trans woman doing
Speaker 3: sex work in and around Oceanside, California. This is a
Speaker 3: coastal city in North County San Diego. It's very close
Speaker 3: to the Marine base Camp Pendleton. On December tenth, nineteen ninety,
Speaker 3: Tasha had a room at the Wally Johnson Motel in
Speaker 3: Oceanside that night, she serviced two Camp Pendleton marines by
Speaker 3: giving each a blow job, not in her room, but
Speaker 3: in an alley way next to the motel. These marines
Speaker 3: were Todd Thornton and Jeffrey Hammond's. With the second marine, Jeffrey,
Speaker 3: he could not ejaculate, and he demanded the eighteen dollars
Speaker 3: he paid Tasha back. Patasha well, she had a strict
Speaker 3: no return policy that she stuck to. She did what
Speaker 3: was asked of her. Wasn't her fault. Jeffrey had an
Speaker 3: issue ejaculating. Then the man got rough with her. Jeffrey
Speaker 3: told Todd to hold her down while he beat the
Speaker 3: shit out of her. Patasha she was able to wriggle
Speaker 3: loose and she fled. Unfortunately, she had to leave her
Speaker 3: jacket behind. The men finally left, taking Tasha's jacket with them.
Speaker 3: Tasha returned back to her room, but realizing her jacket
Speaker 3: had been stolen, she went downstairs. She used to pay
Speaker 3: phone and she called the police to report her jacket
Speaker 3: stolen and that she had been assaulted by two marines
Speaker 3: in an alleyway. The following evening, she saw the two
Speaker 3: marines driving by her motel again. Tasha went back downstairs
Speaker 3: to use the payphone to call police. When she called,
Speaker 3: she was put on hold, and as she was waiting
Speaker 3: for the dispatcher to come back on the line, gunshots
Speaker 3: rang out. Soon nine one one Dispatch was being flooded
Speaker 3: with calls about the shots. As police arrived, they found
Speaker 3: Tasha lying dead on the driveway of the Wally Johnson Motel.
Speaker 3: The phone booth she had been calling the police from
Speaker 3: had its glass completely shattered. There were many witnesses who
Speaker 3: saw the two men responsible for the crime. Residents who
Speaker 3: lived at the motel were very forthcoming with information. They
Speaker 3: described the men and the car that the gunfire had
Speaker 3: come from, including giving police the car's license plate number.
Speaker 3: Rather quickly, police were able to pick up the Marines,
Speaker 3: Todd Thornton and Jeffrey Hammonds. The Marines were questioned and
Speaker 3: their murder weapon was seized, but due to the men
Speaker 3: being Marines, the government wanted to hold on to the
Speaker 3: jurisdiction for a bit. They probably were trying to figure
Speaker 3: out how to cover it all up and possibly do
Speaker 3: an in house punishment for the rotten Marines. Eventually, the
Speaker 3: Camp Pendleton Administration and Naval Investigation Team gave in and
Speaker 3: they handed Todd and Jeffrey over to the civilian Ocean
Speaker 3: side police. Jeffrey was sentenced for the first degree murder
Speaker 3: of Tasha twenty five years to life. It would seem
Speaker 3: he went up for parole multiple times, but he was denied.
Speaker 3: I figure it's been what thirty five years now, I'm
Speaker 3: sure he's out. Todd was sentenced for the manslaughter of
Speaker 3: Todd Ushia. He only served a few years in prison,
Speaker 3: and he was released on parole in the late nineteen nineties.
Speaker 3: Come on, you dumbasses. Eighteen dollars for a blowjob sounds
Speaker 3: like a bargain, even in nineteen ninety. Seems to me
Speaker 3: if they're going to be so hot headed over less
Speaker 3: than twenty bucks, maybe they should have just sucked each
Speaker 3: other off. Rest in power, Tasha, What what time for
Speaker 3: a little sunshine? A transman named Matthew is an MIT
Speaker 3: student who lost his family's support and financial support due
Speaker 3: to his transitioning. Matthew is a senior and just a
Speaker 3: few months away from graduating, who was unable to register
Speaker 3: for his last classes because of some unpaid balances to
Speaker 3: the school. His friend and fellow classmate, Irene, organized to
Speaker 3: go fundme in honor of Matthew, bringing in ninety thousand
Speaker 3: dollars for Matthew's cause. This will allow him to continue
Speaker 3: his studies and pay for his living experience near the campus.
Speaker 3: I think that's so sweet. A little humanity really goes
Speaker 3: a long way. NFL football star Kaylin Saunders and his
Speaker 3: dancer brother Cameron launched a first of its kind football
Speaker 3: camp designed specifically for LGBTQ youth. Now that's kind of cool.
Speaker 3: When I was a kid, I would have been sign
Speaker 3: me up. And lastly, Amsterdam will host World Pride this
Speaker 3: year July twenty fifth through August eighth. And that's about
Speaker 3: all the sunshine we have this week. But wait, let's
Speaker 3: leave with a joke. What do you call fifty lesbians
Speaker 3: and fifty government employees in one room? One hundred people
Speaker 3: that don't do dick. Don't forget. I'm taking next week
Speaker 3: off for or maybe a miniso if I get a
Speaker 3: chance to get one together. I love you guys. You
Speaker 3: matter so much. Remember it's not a crime to be
Speaker 3: gay or to live your truth unless you're a murderer.