Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray w b Z Coustin's Radio.
Speaker 2: All right, we are moving into the portion of the
Speaker 2: program where you get to express your opinion on some
Speaker 2: issues that we pick. We promoted today two issues, one
Speaker 2: of which is the Secret Service on the grill dealing
Speaker 2: with the July thirteenth attempted assassination, how that possibly could
Speaker 2: have happened in Butler, Pennsylvania. And we also later on
Speaker 2: tonight want to talk about the success of Israel's strike
Speaker 2: that took out the life of a Hesbalah leader in
Speaker 2: Beirut and another strike in Tehran. Israel has not claimed
Speaker 2: credit for that strike that took out a leader of Hamas,
Speaker 2: and of course there was now the Iran's supreme leader
Speaker 2: threatening a strike on Israel. So who knows where this
Speaker 2: is all going to lead, but we're going to talk
Speaker 2: about that later. The one thing that I do want
Speaker 2: to add is the comments that were made today by
Speaker 2: Donald Trump at a meeting of black journalists, which to me,
Speaker 2: uh was was just so unnecessary and counterproductive. You know,
Speaker 2: Donald Trump survived an assassination attempt, but three weeks ago,
Speaker 2: now something like that. Three weeks ago on Saturday two
Speaker 2: and a half weeks ago, came within a millimeter or
Speaker 2: you know, came very close to to to taking his life. Now,
Speaker 2: I know that he is bitter about a lot of things,
Speaker 2: and today or yesterday, the deputy director of the FBI,
Speaker 2: under questioning, made it very clear that no doubt in
Speaker 2: his mind. He's been questioned by Senator John Kennedy of Louisiana,
Speaker 2: who can be very effective. Let me both the Secret
Speaker 2: Service new director as well as the FBI deputy director.
Speaker 2: His name is paul A Bati. I'm not sure how
Speaker 2: it's pronounced. This is cut number four. There was a
Speaker 2: moment in time a few days ago when the FBI
Speaker 2: Director Christopher Ray said they were still trying to figure
Speaker 2: out what had struck Donald Trump, and that bothered a
Speaker 2: lot of people. It bothered me because whether it was
Speaker 2: a piece of a bullet, or it was shrapnel from
Speaker 2: a bullet that had bounced off of I don't know,
Speaker 2: you know, Cement, whether it was a glass from a teleprompt.
Speaker 2: This was an assassination attempt. So I can see how
Speaker 2: Donald Trump might be upset, but he is. He just
Speaker 2: has no self control. So this is a baby. The
Speaker 2: FBI Deputy Director Underson hm. You know, direct questions from
Speaker 2: Senator John Kennedy Kennedy of Louisiana, who's a he leve,
Speaker 2: he leaves no doubt about what the the FBI's formal
Speaker 2: conclusion is cut for. Please, Rob, is.
Speaker 3: There any doubt in your mind or in the collective
Speaker 3: mind of the FBI that President Trump was shot in
Speaker 3: the ear by a bullet fired by the assassin Crooks.
Speaker 4: There is, Senator, There is absolutely no doubt in the
Speaker 4: FBI's mind whether former President Trump was hit with the
Speaker 4: with a bullet and wounded in the air.
Speaker 5: No doubt.
Speaker 4: There never has been. I've been part of this investigation
Speaker 4: since the very beginning, and that has never been raised.
Speaker 3: You're sure, Yes, it wasn't a space lacer No, it wasn't.
Speaker 4: A murder hornet, absolutely not.
Speaker 3: It wasn't sasquatch, no center.
Speaker 2: It was a bullet.
Speaker 4: It was a bullet, Senator, fired by Crooks.
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, that.
Speaker 3: Hit President Trump in the year and almost killed h Okay, glad,
Speaker 3: we'll cleared that up.
Speaker 2: They did clear They did clear that up. So that
Speaker 2: is again an unforced error by the FBI Director Christopher Ray.
Speaker 2: The Secret Service, of course, is under intense criticism now
Speaker 2: for allowing this to happen. There's a new video out
Speaker 2: tonight that apparently was shot by one of the two
Speaker 2: victims who have who were shot and who have survived,
Speaker 2: and it shows it shows the back. It's kind of
Speaker 2: a view if you've seen it, a side back view
Speaker 2: of Donald presborn President Trump at the podium and in
Speaker 2: the distance you can see the building one hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty yards away. Looks a little closer because of the
Speaker 2: depth perception, but you see this figure up on top
Speaker 2: of the building. That's the guy that was about to
Speaker 2: shoot Donald Trump. And there was some really interesting conversations
Speaker 2: questions back. This is Senator Josh Holly, he's a Republican
Speaker 2: from the state of Missouri, and he's talking with the
Speaker 2: new Interim Secret Service Director, Ronald Row and they get
Speaker 2: into it pretty good. He's cut to a rub.
Speaker 6: You need to investigate to know that there were critical
Speaker 6: enough failures that some individuals ought to be held accountable.
Speaker 1: I mean, what more do you need to know?
Speaker 6: What I need to know is exactly what happened. And
Speaker 6: I need my investigators.
Speaker 7: To do their job.
Speaker 6: And I can either cannot put my thumb on this
Speaker 6: scale otherwise what do you mean, put your thought the
Speaker 6: objective theje You're asking me, Senator, to completely make a
Speaker 6: rush to judgment about somebody failing. I acknowledge this was
Speaker 6: a failure of.
Speaker 8: Is it not primo facia that somebody has failed?
Speaker 1: A former president was sure.
Speaker 6: Sir, this could have been our Texas school book depository.
Speaker 6: I have lost sleep over that for the last seventeen days.
Speaker 1: Just like somebody.
Speaker 6: I will tell you, Senator, I will tell you, Senator,
Speaker 6: that I will not rush to judgment, that people will
Speaker 6: be held accountable, and I will do so with integrity
Speaker 6: and not rush to judgment and put people.
Speaker 5: Unfairly persecuted.
Speaker 2: Wow, that was interesting, an interesting exchange for sure. Uh.
Speaker 2: It's not often you hear a US senator going after
Speaker 2: the interim director of the Secret Service. It's interesting the
Speaker 2: phrase that some of you might remember that the interim
Speaker 2: Secret Service director used. He said, I will not enter
Speaker 2: into a rush to judgment. That phrase with the title
Speaker 2: of a book by an author back in the nineteen
Speaker 2: sixties about the Kennedy assassination, Mark Lane, who felt that
Speaker 2: the Warren Commission had rushed to judgment. Took them about
Speaker 2: ten months to come up with the Warren Commission report
Speaker 2: in September of nineteen sixty four, if my memory serves,
Speaker 2: which came back with the single shooter Lee Harvey Oswald theory.
Speaker 2: And of course there are now so many theories about
Speaker 2: the Kennedy assassination. And that is what sixty years later already,
Speaker 2: and it's well, it just the sixtieth anniversary of John
Speaker 2: Kennedy's assassination came past last November November twenty second, twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three. So we have the Secret Service director under fire.
Speaker 2: We have the Senator in this case, Haley, and also Kennedy,
Speaker 2: two Republicans questioning, and I think Kennedy much more effectively
Speaker 2: made his point that he wanted to get clear, uh
Speaker 2: than than than Holly did. But it was it was
Speaker 2: good radio, nonetheless. And then today we have Donald Trump
Speaker 2: at a group of black journalists making I think, just
Speaker 2: some total stupid, stupid comments. So we're gonna get to
Speaker 2: all of this. We'll get the phone calls six one seven,
Speaker 2: two thirty. The lines are already full, those three lines,
Speaker 2: and the line that lines are available six one seven, nine, three,
Speaker 2: one ten thirty. I will call them as I see them,
Speaker 2: whether you agree with me or not on issues. I'm
Speaker 2: a lot closer to Donald Trump generally than I am
Speaker 2: to Kamala Harris Uh. But in terms of the way
Speaker 2: they each are componing them compting themselves. In the last
Speaker 2: week or two, Donald Trump just you almost wonder does
Speaker 2: he not want to be elected president? Is he looking
Speaker 2: for the easy way out to have another close election
Speaker 2: in which he loses and he can go off and
Speaker 2: sull and cry. It is not It is not a campaign.
Speaker 2: It is a campaign that is off the tracks right now,
Speaker 2: and they better get their act together. For those of
Speaker 2: you who are Trump supporters, we'll be back on night's side.
Speaker 2: Let's open up these phone lines and get their conversations started.
Speaker 8: Now, back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 8: Night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: All right, let's get some phone calls going here. We
Speaker 2: will talk later tonight about what has gone on in
Speaker 2: the Middle East in the last twenty four hours. That is,
Speaker 2: the the killing of the Hamas leader Ishmael I hope
Speaker 2: I've pronounced this right, hanayah Uh and a leader of
Speaker 2: a senior military commander of Hespola Fawad uh Shook Shook Shook.
Speaker 2: I think they that that situation over there is is
Speaker 2: getting a little warmer. Let's let's follow it closely. Let
Speaker 2: me go to Ken down in Florida, first tonight, Ken, welcome,
Speaker 2: first up tonight of.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 7: I'm having trouble hearing you again. Speak your phone if
Speaker 7: that's okay, Uh.
Speaker 2: Let's see. I give it a shot, Give it a shot.
Speaker 2: I don't know why you're not hearing me, Rob, Rob
Speaker 2: should have been.
Speaker 7: Able to phone. Can you hear me? Is that okay?
Speaker 2: I can still hear you? You go right ahead, Ken, yep, okay.
Speaker 10: I don't know.
Speaker 7: With Trump, I called you after January sixth and said
Speaker 7: I was done with him.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And again he's just not a likable person. And I
Speaker 7: don't think he is uh making comments like he did
Speaker 7: today to get out of the race. I just think
Speaker 7: he can't help himself. And I wonder about his advisors,
Speaker 7: someone like a Kelly and Conway or I mean, they
Speaker 7: must get in his face and tell him that, you,
Speaker 7: you know, whether it's an hairdresser or somebody say you
Speaker 7: can't you know, call your hair like that, or you
Speaker 7: can't make comments like that. Do they do they tell
Speaker 7: him that? Or can he listens?
Speaker 2: I do no, No for those who have. For those
Speaker 2: who haven't heard the comment, ken, let me let me
Speaker 2: play one of them. Here, he's speaking to a group
Speaker 2: of black journalists. I believe it's in Chicago. I could
Speaker 2: I could be wrong on that, but we I believe
Speaker 2: it's in Chicago. And an ABC News correspondent, Rachel Scott
Speaker 2: asked the first question.
Speaker 7: And I thought he was at antagonistic to be honest
Speaker 7: in the beginning.
Speaker 2: So well, it was a tough question. It was a
Speaker 2: tough question. Okay, it wasn't like, oh, gee, great to
Speaker 2: see you. How is your fly? It's it's well, let's
Speaker 2: just play, let people respond to it. And then he
Speaker 2: just goes off in my opinion unnecessarily, but hey, obviously
Speaker 2: it's my opinion doesn't really count too much. This is
Speaker 2: cut a rob.
Speaker 11: Well, first of all, I don't think I've ever been
Speaker 11: asked a question so in such a horrible manner. A
Speaker 11: first question. You don't even say, hello, how are you?
Speaker 2: Are you with ABC?
Speaker 11: Because I think they're a fake news network, a terrible network.
Speaker 11: And I think it's disgraceful that I came here in
Speaker 11: good spirit. I love the black population of this country.
Speaker 11: I've done so much for the black population of this country,
Speaker 11: including employment including Opportunity Zones with Senator Tim Scott of
Speaker 11: South Carolina, which is one of the greatest programs ever
Speaker 11: for black workers and black entrepreneurs. I've done so much
Speaker 11: much and you know, and I say this, Historically, black
Speaker 11: colleges and universities were out of money. They were stone
Speaker 11: call broke, and I saved them and I gave them
Speaker 11: long term financing.
Speaker 2: And nobody else was doing it.
Speaker 11: I think it's a very rude introduction. I don't know
Speaker 11: exactly why you would do something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you could have handled the question a
Speaker 2: little more diplomatically.
Speaker 5: Ken, I agree.
Speaker 7: I agree, Dan, But she she was clearly she had
Speaker 7: a clear dislike for him. In her tone of the
Speaker 7: question was probably set up to anger him. And you
Speaker 7: didn't play that part. But I've heard it multiple times
Speaker 7: today and you know, it's set him up a little bit.
Speaker 7: I think she was very unprofessional and biased, and she
Speaker 7: showed her through colors, so to speak.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you then, I guess, I guess the point
Speaker 2: that I'm trying to make is if you're trying to
Speaker 2: win an election and you know that these sorts of
Speaker 2: missteps are going to be called out and maybe and
Speaker 2: even in some cases taken out of context. I do
Speaker 2: agree with it that the question was of fairy direct question,
Speaker 2: but I've asked questions of politicians, including politicians running for president.
Speaker 2: I remember I asked Bill Clinton. This would have been
Speaker 2: December of nineteen ninety one. I had him on set
Speaker 2: for a half hour and my first question was governor.
Speaker 2: A year ago, when you were in for reelection in Arkansas,
Speaker 2: you pledged to the people of Arkansas that you'd serve
Speaker 2: a full four year term. And he answered me, he says,
Speaker 2: that's right, that's right. And I said, now you're running
Speaker 2: for president, and in the unlikely event you get elected president,
Speaker 2: you will not be able to serve in both offices
Speaker 2: at the same time. That's right. So I said, did
Speaker 2: you miss lead the people of Arkansas I lived a
Speaker 2: year ago? And he handled it. He said, well, you know, really,
Speaker 2: not not exactly I meant it when I said it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, And I said, you were respectful, and you're you're
Speaker 7: a much more polished. She came out angry and fired
Speaker 7: right at him, like she's he's a former president, show
Speaker 7: a little respect, and you know, at least be uh
Speaker 7: a little bit down the middle of the road when
Speaker 7: you're asking the question. She clearly dislikes him, and it
Speaker 7: was obvious in her questioning, and uh, that set him off.
Speaker 7: And I agree, I agree with him being a little defensive,
Speaker 7: but you know, it's Trump and he does go over.
Speaker 2: So okay, my question is this Okay, whether or not
Speaker 2: she was if she asked a question could have been
Speaker 2: asked better. What let doesn't matter now he answers that way.
Speaker 2: Does his answer help him or hurt him? It probably
Speaker 2: helps him with his base, but does it help him
Speaker 2: or hurt him with undecided voters, voters on the fence?
Speaker 7: Well, what black voters or voters of color, whatever term
Speaker 7: we want to use. I think he's made his point
Speaker 7: in the past that he's what he's done for historical
Speaker 7: black colleges. Sure, you know, black entrepreneurs, opportunity zones. He
Speaker 7: made that point and that's what he's done, and that's
Speaker 7: why he's rising. The poll numbers show that black voters
Speaker 7: are increasingly going to vote for him more than any
Speaker 7: other Republican. So I think he made his point.
Speaker 2: Okay, So let me ask you this. I'll ask you
Speaker 2: the question, the same question a little differently. If there was,
Speaker 2: if there are, and I'm sure there are black voters
Speaker 2: who are on the fence, okay, and who is still
Speaker 2: making up their mind? Do you think he pulled many
Speaker 2: black voters or white voters who are on the fence
Speaker 2: over to his side of the aisle with that answer?
Speaker 7: Again, to quote the great UH agent what's his name?
Speaker 7: James Carvell, economy stupid. We're all feeling the economy. That's
Speaker 7: not whether I'm down in Massachusetts people people are feeling
Speaker 7: them when they go buy groceries gas.
Speaker 2: So my question, can you duck in my question? Which
Speaker 2: and you're doing a good job at it, My question
Speaker 2: is in no sense no, I mean it in the
Speaker 2: sense and please take this respectfully. What I'm saying to
Speaker 2: you is that question, okay, That answer to that question
Speaker 2: will be played for people across the country.
Speaker 10: Right.
Speaker 2: Is there anyone who listens to that question and or
Speaker 2: listens to the answer and says, you know what, Trump's
Speaker 2: my man, I'm now with Trump for that.
Speaker 7: I don't think yes, because if you're on the fence
Speaker 7: with Trump versus Harris, I can't see that you're either
Speaker 7: one way or the other in his comments. You know
Speaker 7: what you're getting with Trump, you and against those comments.
Speaker 2: Will agree to disagree on that. We will agree to this,
Speaker 2: agree on that one. I mean, if you're what you're
Speaker 2: telling me is this, there's not a single American who
Speaker 2: at this point has not made up their mind about
Speaker 2: this race. That's what I'm hearing here.
Speaker 7: So they're gonna be But I mean, I think the
Speaker 7: vast majority has made up their mind. Okay, and independent.
Speaker 7: I mean you're either come on now, you've got an
Speaker 7: extreme leftist and you've got Trump, who's uh, he's in
Speaker 7: and of his own category. So I think if you
Speaker 7: haven't made up your mind now, I'd be shocked.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, maybe we'll hear from some people who haven't
Speaker 2: made up their mind. I don't know. Ken has always
Speaker 2: I appreciate.
Speaker 7: You taking the time say allow to Boston for me.
Speaker 2: I absolutely will. I know it is the city that
Speaker 2: you love. Thank you very much. Can't finciate.
Speaker 7: I will maybe up there this fall, but we'll see.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: Thank here, Thanks Tucson.
Speaker 2: I got to take a break here. It's news time
Speaker 2: at the bottom of the hour six one seven, two
Speaker 2: four ten thirty, six one seven, nine, ten thirty. If
Speaker 2: you did hear this comment, today, or even if you
Speaker 2: heard the question and the comment, I'd love to get
Speaker 2: your reaction to it, and let's get the conversation going again.
Speaker 2: I think the story that I was intending to start
Speaker 2: on today was the fact that the Secret Service is
Speaker 2: now pointing fingers at local police, local police appointing fingers
Speaker 2: at Secret Service. At some point, I hope we figure
Speaker 2: out who dropped the ball. Maybe we will, maybe we won't.
Speaker 2: Join the conversation. Come right back on Nightside.
Speaker 1: If you're on night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's
Speaker 1: news radio.
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to Larry in New York. Larry,
Speaker 2: you were next on Nightsiger.
Speaker 5: Right ahead, Dan, good evening. You know, as somebody who
Speaker 5: has for the last forty or fifty years, as I
Speaker 5: have watched and seen dignitary protection, this thing is needs
Speaker 5: much more perspective. There's no question the Secret Service made
Speaker 5: some mistakes, but the reality is is that the local,
Speaker 5: the state police, the local sheriff's department, they need a
Speaker 5: much closer look now. A couple of nights ago, ABC's
Speaker 5: Aaron Katski, who's an excellent reporter, sat down on their
Speaker 5: Evening News with six of the members of the local snipers.
Speaker 2: Now I saw that I happen to see. I know
Speaker 2: exactly what you're going to say.
Speaker 5: Now, these guys, these guys were responsible for providing security
Speaker 5: in the secondary security zone, as you know, because you've
Speaker 5: done it for years, as have I. You know, the
Speaker 5: first zone, the tight zone is run by secret Service,
Speaker 5: the local cops, whether it's New York City PD, whether
Speaker 5: it's Boston PD, they coordinate and run the secondary security zone. Now,
Speaker 5: these guys told told Katski that they had eyes on
Speaker 5: this guy for more than ninety minutes, and all they
Speaker 5: did was send texts to people. All they did was
Speaker 5: send a picture of them. Nobody made a phone call.
Speaker 5: Nobody called the sheriff's department, their sheriff's supervisors. Nobody got
Speaker 5: on the radio and said, hey, Dan, Larry, here, there's
Speaker 5: a guy down by the fence over there. He doesn't
Speaker 5: look right. Let's put the grabs on him. I mean,
Speaker 5: these guys are these guys were the Barney Fights of security.
Speaker 5: It was crazy, you know, I'll tell you.
Speaker 2: And everybody's saying I watched the same interview with Katurski,
Speaker 2: and I came away with a very different impression. Okay,
Speaker 2: the impression that I had from the interview was that
Speaker 2: the Secret Service blew them off on a meeting they
Speaker 2: were supposed to have. Okay, that that's the and that
Speaker 2: the instructions from the Secret Service as to what their
Speaker 2: area's responsibility are or were u was was inadequate. I
Speaker 2: mean Secret Service. You're right, Secret Service protects the protecte
Speaker 2: in this case forming President Donald Trump, but they have
Speaker 2: to let the locals know. These weren't guys who were
Speaker 2: directing traffic. These were guys who were supposed to be
Speaker 2: part of the outer perimeter protection.
Speaker 5: And that's right.
Speaker 2: That's when I on the interview, not to disagree with him,
Speaker 2: but just what I saw was that it was Kuturski
Speaker 2: seemed surprised that there was no communication prior to the event.
Speaker 5: Well, that's a question that needs to be raised. But
Speaker 5: at the same time, these guys aren't amateurs. These guys
Speaker 5: are snipers. They're highly trained, they've been in the business
Speaker 5: for a long time. And again, the bottom line is
Speaker 5: the Secret Service protects the close end first zone. These guys.
Speaker 5: So again they saw somebody who didn't look right, and
Speaker 5: nobody said, come on, police officers, snipers whatever. Out on
Speaker 5: the street. You see somebody suspicious, you go put the
Speaker 5: grabs on him, you take a look at them. The
Speaker 5: best these guys could do was send texts.
Speaker 2: And let me play. Let me play this somebody if
Speaker 2: good for you. This is the Secret Service Director, now
Speaker 2: the interim Secret Service Director, Ronald Rowe. He makes reference
Speaker 2: in this sound cut to a problem with the cellular connection.
Speaker 2: It almost sounded as if he was saying that the connection,
Speaker 2: the cell phone connection between maybe Secret Service and these agencies.
Speaker 2: It's unclear to me, but it's an interesting comment that
Speaker 2: I heard yesterday. Cut number five, Rob.
Speaker 6: That is something that I briefed in the closed door
Speaker 6: and again something that has cost me a lot of
Speaker 6: sleep because of the eventual outcome of the assailant. That
Speaker 6: what if we had a geolocated him because that counter
Speaker 6: UAS platform had been up. It is something that I
Speaker 6: have struggled with to understand and I have no I
Speaker 6: have no explanation for it. It is something that I
Speaker 6: feel as though we could have perhaps found him, we
Speaker 6: could have maybe stopped him. Maybe on that particular day
Speaker 6: he would have decided this isn't the day to do it,
Speaker 6: because law enforcement just found me flying my drone. People
Speaker 6: fly drones all the time on the peripheries of our sites,
Speaker 6: and we go out and we talked to and we
Speaker 6: ascertain what their intentions are on this day in particular
Speaker 6: because of the connectivity challenge. As you noted, there was
Speaker 6: a delay and he flew his drone at three point
Speaker 6: fifty one approximately, so.
Speaker 2: He referenced the connectivity challenge. He also referenced cellular connection,
Speaker 2: which he had talked about in a close door hearing.
Speaker 2: It almost sounded to me as if he was acknowledging
Speaker 2: that they did not have adequate communication between the various
Speaker 2: law enforcement groups. Could be wrong, but that's what I
Speaker 2: picked out of that.
Speaker 5: I've got to spend a spare amount of time with
Speaker 5: this kind of communication stuff. I think it was more
Speaker 5: connectivity as far as the drone and stuff, and that
Speaker 5: definitely that's spooky. The fact that anybody is flying a
Speaker 5: drone over that site and nobody's putting the grabs on them.
Speaker 5: That isn't right either. I'm not making excuses for the
Speaker 5: Secret Service, but I think you know, the down and
Speaker 5: dirty situation is. I listened to and I watched it
Speaker 5: a second time to make sure. As I watched these
Speaker 5: guys talking about how they sent texts. Again, I'm an
Speaker 5: old fashioned guy, you know, like you, I've been around
Speaker 5: for a long time. Two air radios, you know, you
Speaker 5: call in and say, hey, Dan, that guy down on
Speaker 5: with you to please please go take a look at him.
Speaker 5: And know what I'm saying is no one did that.
Speaker 5: This is there's no question. This is a massive failure.
Speaker 5: But unfortunately the members of Congress, you know, both the
Speaker 5: House and Senate, some of them are trying to politicize this.
Speaker 5: They're trying to make it entirely the Secret Services problem.
Speaker 5: I got to tell you, it's it's as much local
Speaker 5: law enforcement as it was the Secret Service.
Speaker 2: What I want to I want to see is an
Speaker 2: investigation uh as more thorough than the BORIGN Commission. And
Speaker 2: this is simple, Okay, they don't They do not seem
Speaker 2: to be unless some of these encrypted uh sites that
Speaker 2: this this twenty year old had access to that opens
Speaker 2: up Pandora's box. But this, we know who's the shooter is,
Speaker 2: we know what his background is. Oswald had this myriad
Speaker 2: background where it was just so complicated. And then Oswald
Speaker 2: was not killed by Secret Service. He was killed by
Speaker 2: Jack Ruby and the Bill in the basement of the
Speaker 2: Dallas Police Department. Why he was in there with a
Speaker 2: gun under those circumstances. They were just a million questions.
Speaker 5: Oh sure, absolutely, but this one.
Speaker 2: Should be resolved a lot more directly and a.
Speaker 10: Lot more quickly.
Speaker 5: I'm with you one hundred percent, But I think what
Speaker 5: they need to do is they need to really take
Speaker 5: a close look and put some perspective on the actions
Speaker 5: of everybody involved.
Speaker 2: Absolute situation. And I will come back I heard what
Speaker 2: you said. I will come back to the fact that
Speaker 2: the guys who I watched in that Aaron Koturski interview
Speaker 2: seem to say that there was a meeting schedule the
Speaker 2: Secret Service didn't show up. Was that the point where
Speaker 2: the Secret Service was going to say, look, we don't
Speaker 2: deal with text messages, the urgency of textmasts. Unless you're
Speaker 2: looking at the phone, you don't see the text message.
Speaker 2: Now they're looking at the phone waiting for the text message,
Speaker 2: maybe you won't see the guy with the gun on
Speaker 2: the roof, so they you correct, it should be immediate.
Speaker 2: You know, we got a problem with right over here,
Speaker 2: we have somebody who is suspicious. Let's let's get people there,
Speaker 2: flood the zone, get do what we got to do.
Speaker 2: But the only way to do that again is the
Speaker 2: old two way communication.
Speaker 5: And you know what's funny is it raises a great
Speaker 5: you raise a great question. Have we become too reliant
Speaker 5: on technology, you know, phones, texting all this? Maybe we
Speaker 5: need to get back, you know, to to us analog guys,
Speaker 5: the good old basics of good police work, good detective work,
Speaker 5: and saying, you know, pick up the radio and go.
Speaker 2: Dance about that, and let's find out if that was communicating.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know, Larry, great call, challenging call.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much.
Speaker 5: Always a pleasure, my friend.
Speaker 2: Take you catch it all right. We've got to take
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Speaker 8: Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World
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Speaker 2: I'm back, we go. Let me go to Jack and Jack.
Speaker 2: Appreciate your patients. You are next on Nightside. Jack, right ahead, Yeah.
Speaker 9: Hi Jack porter An, sure enough. About a year ago
Speaker 9: I did a book called Mathematical Models to Predict Terrorism,
Speaker 9: And in that I had a chapter about the lone
Speaker 9: wolf killer. The lone wolf killer is the most difficult
Speaker 9: killer to predict. So the you know, response to some
Speaker 9: of your callers that you really shouldn't, you know, we
Speaker 9: shouldn't be so hard on the Secret Service, or on
Speaker 9: the FBI or the local it because they are they're
Speaker 9: so difficult to predict. It seems like they're almost obsessing.
Speaker 9: We're not with the predicting or the finding of the
Speaker 9: lone wolf killer, but the follow up, you know, of
Speaker 9: the process the twenty four nuts fetes Well, I mean.
Speaker 2: Jack, look if Lee Harvey Oswald had been spotted in
Speaker 2: that window of the Texas school Book Depository fifteen minutes
Speaker 2: or thirty minutes before the President Kennedy's moticade rolled down
Speaker 2: Elm Street and he still got those shots off, you
Speaker 2: don't think that the heads would have rolled. I mean,
Speaker 2: where's the responsibility here is? This is not a guy
Speaker 2: who somehow, I don't know, you know, fired a rocket
Speaker 2: from his house three miles away that landed on the podium.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the sort of stuff that you can't
Speaker 2: blame anybody for. But there were pictures of this guy.
Speaker 2: He had a range finder, you know, which which the
Speaker 2: only people who use rangefinders. People who are on golf
Speaker 2: courses want to know how many yards they are from
Speaker 2: the green. I think that the performance of everybody here
Speaker 2: was abysmal, and the result, as terrible as it was,
Speaker 2: could have been a lot worse.
Speaker 9: Well, I guess my expertise is how to predict the
Speaker 9: lone wolf killer. Uh, you know even Israel has difficulty
Speaker 9: doing that.
Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you this question. If the lone
Speaker 2: wolf killer which this guy was, parades around for an
Speaker 2: hour and a half before goes by and spends some
Speaker 2: time over there earlier in the day, flies a drone
Speaker 2: above the the area, which goes undetected and then is
Speaker 2: seen by people crawling on the roof and also seen
Speaker 2: seen by people as much as half an hour before
Speaker 2: the shooting, and they're trying to call attention to it.
Speaker 2: And I think that one of the snipers from the
Speaker 2: local police department snapped a couple of pictures of him,
Speaker 2: and that's why we had the pictures of him. I
Speaker 2: mean your idea that is difficult to predict a lone
Speaker 2: wolf killer. I'm sure it's very difficult, very difficult, because
Speaker 2: I don't deal with anyone else, but I'm just saying,
Speaker 2: on that day, how would you how would you evaluate
Speaker 2: the performance on that day?
Speaker 9: I recommend that people read a book by Malcolm Gladwell
Speaker 9: called Blink What Gladwell the great writer and sociologist Stephen.
Speaker 9: He says that the best decision is the immediate decision,
Speaker 9: like the blink of an eye. Intuition. You do it,
Speaker 9: by the way. But the Secret Service and the FBI
Speaker 9: and these are bureaucracies, and these are very hierarchical. They're
Speaker 9: always looking to get permission to do it. They don't
Speaker 9: do it immediately because they might get fired. They're afraid
Speaker 9: to make a fast decision. This is my theory, and
Speaker 9: that's why they hesitated too long to do it. It's
Speaker 9: Malcolm Gladwell's theory. I agree with him.
Speaker 2: Well, Jack, they saw this guy for upwards of an
Speaker 2: hour before him. He was acting strangely. I mean, if
Speaker 2: if you and I go to a rally and will
Speaker 2: Jack let me finish, I'll let you finish. If I'm
Speaker 2: at a rally and I'm acting strangely in whatever I'm doing,
Speaker 2: I'm at a Trump rally and and I'm mumbling to myself,
Speaker 2: I Hey Trump, this Trump? What is this guy, and
Speaker 2: I'm getting into fights with people in the crowd, and
Speaker 2: and and I pull out a gun out and take
Speaker 2: a shot at him. I've basically advertised to the group.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm a little weird here, and that kid
Speaker 2: was a little weird. And they missed it, missed it,
Speaker 2: missed it. A bunch of people missed it. You know,
Speaker 2: they didn't miss Lee Harvey Oswell, they had no prior
Speaker 2: knowledge of Lee Harvey Oswald.
Speaker 9: Well we pull out a gun, that's an action, but
Speaker 9: just acting weird. You can't arrest somebody for that kind
Speaker 9: of Oh.
Speaker 2: You go question him, Jack, you go question him anyway.
Speaker 2: All right, Well we'll agree to disagree. Thanks Jack, appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Talk sooner by. Let me go to Gary in New Jersey, Gary,
Speaker 2: New Jersey, next on Nightside.
Speaker 10: Hey Dan, how you doing.
Speaker 2: I'm doing.
Speaker 10: Well. You know, the whole thing was. I listened to
Speaker 10: that guy, Josh. He did on your show before, and
Speaker 10: I've seen him on YouTube a couple of times. He
Speaker 10: really needs to cut this guy some slack, because one,
Speaker 10: if you want heads to roll, there's a procedure how
Speaker 10: to roll them. And this guy just got in a chair.
Speaker 10: I'm sure he put him on the Bow and Arrow
Speaker 10: squad already took their guns away. They're doing administrative work,
Speaker 10: and he's got to investigate it because don't forget the
Speaker 10: government workers have They not civil services, but they have
Speaker 10: certain protection when it comes to this kind of stuff.
Speaker 10: The other thing was where they screwed up. They counted
Speaker 10: on these guys from Beaver PA. That was probably the
Speaker 10: biggest job they were ever going to have in their life.
Speaker 10: They were gonna tell their grandparents, Hey, I protected the president.
Speaker 10: What they probably should have done, And it's easy to
Speaker 10: talk about it after the fact. They probably should have
Speaker 10: put a Secret Service guy with them to oversee what
Speaker 10: was going on, and you know, that's what it should
Speaker 10: have been, and it wasn't that. And I'm a Trump supporter.
Speaker 2: No I said that. But my question is, I looked
Speaker 2: at this interview that Larry from New York, looked at
Speaker 2: Aaron Katirski, did any news and these police officers, and
Speaker 2: they seemed credible to me. I don't know why they're lying.
Speaker 2: They're saying that there was a meeting that Secret Service
Speaker 2: had scheduled and Secret Service never showed up.
Speaker 10: For, and that's probably one hundred percent true. But you know,
Speaker 10: if they tell you, hey, you're going to watch the president,
Speaker 10: make sure no one shoots him, and you see a
Speaker 10: guy kind of tinkling around, I could guarantee you if
Speaker 10: they were on patrol, just doing their regular job and
Speaker 10: they saw this guy in front of a seven to
Speaker 10: eleven after it closed, or a convenience store, they'd have
Speaker 10: pulled over and said, what the hell are you're doing,
Speaker 10: And they just didn't think about it. But again, I
Speaker 10: think the Secret Service should have probably had a guy
Speaker 10: with the teams to help oversee it, a guy who
Speaker 10: did it every day. I would argue that.
Speaker 2: The Secret Service should have someone from the Secret Service
Speaker 2: should have gone to the meeting absolutely with this group
Speaker 2: of local police officers. Well you know what it is,
Speaker 2: that it's the biggest day. They're going to brag about it.
Speaker 2: All of that, I guess.
Speaker 10: YEA one of the problems. I'm not looking to cut
Speaker 10: you off, but one of the problems right ahead, one
Speaker 10: of the problems, I'm sorry, one of the problems that
Speaker 10: they have, in my opinion, with the Secret Service, especially
Speaker 10: not the uniform Secret Service, but you know the ones
Speaker 10: who do the plane clothes and everything like that, and
Speaker 10: the FBI, they they draw from the same wealth, which
Speaker 10: is usually these left wing ivy league colleges, And these
Speaker 10: are not people that usually go into law enforcement. They're
Speaker 10: not people who usually end up going into the military.
Speaker 10: You might have a few scattered, but these are basically
Speaker 10: college kids that get out and think, ah, this would
Speaker 10: be a cool job. I'll watch the president or whatever
Speaker 10: they do, and I get a gun.
Speaker 2: Gary, I have no stats to back that up. I
Speaker 2: have no stats to refute you, but I'm told and
Speaker 2: when I listened to it hearing yesterday, the new interim
Speaker 2: director said that I think that they accept two percent
Speaker 2: of the applicants, actually less than what Harvard or Annapolis
Speaker 2: or West No.
Speaker 10: But what I'm saying is they draw from the same well,
Speaker 10: they don't open it up to other people like you know.
Speaker 2: I don't have those stats. If you have them, let
Speaker 2: me give them to me. But I don't think that
Speaker 2: they're all left wing people there.
Speaker 10: No, no, no. What I'm saying is they're not usually
Speaker 10: not street people. That's really what it is.
Speaker 2: I know, I've known a lot of Secret Service agents
Speaker 2: in my dehye.
Speaker 10: And I knew a few, you know, and I've had
Speaker 10: a few come to our dinners and stuff.
Speaker 2: With the PBA, and they're pretty sharp people to be
Speaker 2: honest with.
Speaker 5: Yea.
Speaker 10: Well, I just think they need to draw open it
Speaker 10: up a little more to other people.
Speaker 2: Okay, sure enough, I certainly can can agree with you
Speaker 2: on that one.
Speaker 10: That that's for sure.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're going to take a great Thank you much.
Speaker 2: Always have a great one.
Speaker 10: Bye bye, buddy, you too.
Speaker 2: Uh okay, So we get in different points of view here.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of surprised, but that's fine. So everybody seems
Speaker 2: to be very protective of the Secret Service. I just
Speaker 2: want the truth, whole truth, nothing but the truth, unvarnished truth.
Speaker 2: That's not too much to ask. One line at six
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