Speaker 1: Hey, peeps, I'm Nicole, I'm Ben, and you're listening to
Speaker 1: Wicked and Grim.
Speaker 2: A true crime podcast. Warning. The following podcast content material
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Speaker 1: Keep saying, is that okay, that's fine?
Speaker 2: Hey, hey, hey, what's up?
Speaker 1: How's it going?
Speaker 2: As Ben takes a sip of coffee.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good time. And we're just starting, and you like
Speaker 1: decide to start at the point that I take my
Speaker 1: final sip of coffee. That's an opportunity, isn't.
Speaker 2: So how's their own doing?
Speaker 1: Happy to day? What's what's shaking, what's new, what's exciting?
Speaker 2: We're like hair straight back, hair straight back.
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous. Oh my god, spring cleaning. We haven't even
Speaker 1: began that yet.
Speaker 2: I haven't finished our taxes, so this is like a
Speaker 2: big problem because the deadlines Friday or Thursday.
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't even know when is it.
Speaker 2: It's this week.
Speaker 1: I'm like screwed if it wasn't for you, because I'd
Speaker 1: like never do taxes.
Speaker 2: You're a little screwed because of me too, because like
Speaker 2: I'm like cutting it close here.
Speaker 1: But you're you're pretty much there, at least pretty much. Yeah,
Speaker 1: get that nice weight off the shoulders once it's done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think this might be the last year
Speaker 2: because we're hiring an accountant. I have on my hand
Speaker 2: up in excitement.
Speaker 1: Almost looked like you were like doing a Nazi thing.
Speaker 1: Was I was giving you a weird look?
Speaker 2: You were giving me a really weird look.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm pumped the accountant so we don't have
Speaker 1: to go through this next year. Also, like speaking of
Speaker 1: getting things off, like the to do list, I just
Speaker 1: built a custom arcade in the garage. That's eight well,
Speaker 1: because long story short, it was like, you know, I've
Speaker 1: always wanted to have an arcade, right, so for my
Speaker 1: thirtieth birthday, you let me build that arcade. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: Why did you do it? Because we were having a
Speaker 2: nerdy thirty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nerdy thirty birthday party. Yeah, well, that wasn't why
Speaker 1: I was doing it. I did it for me. Why
Speaker 1: I wanted the arcade. I've always wanted an arcade.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay.
Speaker 1: And then it was like, oh, I want it in
Speaker 1: time for my nerdy thirty because it worked out great,
Speaker 1: right Yeah, So moving into a tiny home, there's not
Speaker 1: exactly any space for a giant arcade. Cabinet. No, and
Speaker 1: it wasn't exactly too happy with the build. So I
Speaker 1: want to rebuild it before I sold it, and some
Speaker 1: friends of mine, well ours, Mike and Amber, bought it
Speaker 1: to go in their tattoo shop.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I've rebuilt it and now that's off our to
Speaker 1: do list, and we're finally getting rid of the arcade cabinet.
Speaker 1: It's sad to see it go, though.
Speaker 2: It is sad, but one day you can have it again.
Speaker 2: You can now you don't want to make it that's true,
Speaker 2: made too basically, and you can redo one that is true.
Speaker 2: And we have a regular size house, though I never
Speaker 2: know if we're to actually go back to a regular
Speaker 2: size house, like another small cabin that could fit an arcade.
Speaker 1: Ideally that's what we want. A cabin on a lake though.
Speaker 1: That'd be amazing.
Speaker 2: To live on water, I think would be a dream.
Speaker 3: Not on water, actually water front, you would live on water.
Speaker 1: You're going more hardcore than I ever even thought.
Speaker 2: Wow, well, I'm trying not to be a basic bee.
Speaker 2: You remember how you.
Speaker 1: Got a lot of trying to go.
Speaker 2: Sorry, I'm working on it. I'm working on it.
Speaker 1: All This coffee is good. I just wanted to sit
Speaker 1: here and just drink this whole coffee.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how about we just do a podcast where you're
Speaker 2: just like sipping your coffee.
Speaker 1: Oh, just that, Like what is it like SMR? Like
Speaker 1: a SMR or whatever. Really like people watch really satisfying
Speaker 1: things and listen to really satisfying noises.
Speaker 2: Okay. One thing that I find so satisfying and it's
Speaker 2: so over and weird because I fall like a few
Speaker 2: artisan soap makers Okay, and so they have like a
Speaker 2: giant block of soap and then they have like this
Speaker 2: wire thing that just like cuts the soap so nicely,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, that's nice to watch. I'm into that.
Speaker 1: Soap cutting is like extremely popular in this genre. Did
Speaker 1: you know that?
Speaker 2: Oh I had no idea.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, people like get a bar of soap, for example,
Speaker 1: and they'll like do like cross cuts in it, so
Speaker 1: it's like a grass. Oh and then they'll cut underneath,
Speaker 1: so all these like little tiny squares fall off the
Speaker 1: bar of soap. Oh it's really weird and cool.
Speaker 2: But no, I uh, I was into that before I
Speaker 2: knew that was a thing.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it's a thing. A lot of people
Speaker 1: are into some weird stuff, like our killer today is
Speaker 1: in some is into some weird stuff hair specifically.
Speaker 2: Okay, a lot of people have hair fetishes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this dude is known as the hair in hand killer. Cool,
Speaker 1: not really.
Speaker 2: See, I actually like the opposite of a hair fetish.
Speaker 2: I hate hair.
Speaker 1: Hair is kind of gross.
Speaker 2: I think it's nasty.
Speaker 1: And yet your husband has hair growing all over his
Speaker 1: face giant beard.
Speaker 2: Well no, it's just like if you find it where
Speaker 2: it's not supposed to be, is what I think is nasty?
Speaker 1: Gotcha is all?
Speaker 2: So okay, carry on, We'll stop about my my what
Speaker 2: I don't like nasty hairness?
Speaker 1: Okay. So I'm going to try and pronounce some of
Speaker 1: these names. There's a little there's one dude who's got
Speaker 1: like an off name here. He's Italian. And this takes
Speaker 1: place over in England. So the place in England where
Speaker 1: it is is Bournemouth. Bournemouth, I think Bournemouth, okay, Bournemouth, England.
Speaker 1: It's it's South England sort of thing. Okay. So it's
Speaker 1: in November of two thousand and two, November twelfth, very specifically,
Speaker 1: two kids were coming home from school. The boy was
Speaker 1: named Terry, he was aged fourteen, and the girl his sister,
Speaker 1: Caitlin was age eleven. Okay, they arrived home just before
Speaker 1: four pm from school, and after they came home, they
Speaker 1: didn't receive the normal warm welcome they did from their
Speaker 1: mom at the front door.
Speaker 2: Uh oh, I don't like this.
Speaker 1: Well you're not going to like what happens further.
Speaker 2: Shit.
Speaker 1: So they didn't receive the normal greeting, so Caitlyn called
Speaker 1: out to their mom and if there was no response.
Speaker 1: So in an interview, Terry actually said, this is actually
Speaker 1: kind of like heartbreaking this quote. So this is from
Speaker 1: from the sun. He says, it was at that moment
Speaker 1: when the house was silent, then I thought something was
Speaker 1: wrong here, nothing visually, just quiet.
Speaker 2: Oh no, So.
Speaker 1: That's from the fourteen year old.
Speaker 2: Her heart knew, he knew.
Speaker 1: So without a response, they moved into the house looking
Speaker 1: for their mom. After a few moments, Caitlyn knocked on
Speaker 1: the closed bathroom door, hoping she was in there, just
Speaker 1: didn't hear them, right, and she'd hear a response. She
Speaker 1: didn't hear a response, so she opened the door. Oh no,
Speaker 1: and there she found her mum, blood everywhere. Lifeless.
Speaker 2: Shit.
Speaker 1: That's one hell of a way to find your mom.
Speaker 2: Hey, well, yeah, these kids are young. Yeah, okay, like
Speaker 2: murdering is just not cool, but like if they have
Speaker 2: dependence like children.
Speaker 3: Like fuck ah, I mean just fuck off and murdering
Speaker 3: in it tired general, but it's like it this pulls
Speaker 3: at my heart a little more because like, now these
Speaker 3: people are the kids are going to grow up without
Speaker 3: like a.
Speaker 2: Mom, Like that's shit.
Speaker 1: I couldn't find anything on their father, I must. I
Speaker 1: knew she was a single mom, but I don't know
Speaker 1: where the dad is or oh okay, I.
Speaker 2: Thought maybe he was just at work or something. But
Speaker 2: it was a single mom.
Speaker 1: Hey yeah, as far as I can tell, I couldn't
Speaker 1: find any facts on it. But I'm pretty sure she
Speaker 1: was just a single mom.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's shitty.
Speaker 1: So police were obviously called to the scene, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they moved into the house and you know, they're doing
Speaker 1: their investigation. But when they arrived on the scene, they
Speaker 1: found the kids outside and being comforted by a neighbor
Speaker 1: from across the street, Daniello Restivo. That's the guy who
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have trouble pronouncing his name, but I think
Speaker 1: I nailed there.
Speaker 2: I hope he's not the killer, but keep going.
Speaker 1: Shit, Okay, Daniello, Danilo, Danilo, not Daniello. It's Danilo. I
Speaker 1: wanted to make that clear. As I'm talking in this podcast,
Speaker 1: I might end up slurring it or going fast and
Speaker 1: saying Daniello. But it's Danilo.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So the investigation started immediately. Like I said that, the
Speaker 1: cops were in the house doing their thing. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: they found the mom, whose name was Heather Barnett. She
Speaker 1: was found bludgeoned to death with what appeared to be
Speaker 1: a hammer.
Speaker 2: Yikes.
Speaker 1: She was also mutilated. Her breasts had been cut off
Speaker 1: and laid back behind her head, and a lock of
Speaker 1: hair was found in each of her hands. One hand
Speaker 1: there was a lock of her own hair, and then
Speaker 1: the other hand was a lock of hair from an
Speaker 1: unknown person.
Speaker 2: Holy shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of fucked up.
Speaker 2: The breast thing is what made my jaw drop. That's nasty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. There's actually there's a few cases out there
Speaker 1: that I've heard of, and I've listened to other podcasts.
Speaker 1: Breast mutilation seems to be a popular thing thing I
Speaker 1: don't understand, Like, what the fuck?
Speaker 2: So you're like just looking at titties and have the
Speaker 2: urge to want to cut them off.
Speaker 1: I don't know like some of the other ones, some
Speaker 1: of the other ones that they theorized that it was
Speaker 1: like more of like removing the femininity from them, like
Speaker 1: almost humiliating the individual. Really, I don't think that's the
Speaker 1: case in this one, but that's what I've read in
Speaker 1: other cases where it could have been like a psychological
Speaker 1: thing where they're trying to humiliate their victim.
Speaker 2: Wow, that doesn't seem like a way to humiliate your victim,
Speaker 2: but okay.
Speaker 1: It seems like a way to get a one way
Speaker 1: ticket to prison and hell and burn for a long
Speaker 1: fucking time. Oh shit, speaking of burn, I'm gonna burn
Speaker 1: my tongue with hot coffee.
Speaker 2: I already don't like this. This is already gone self
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a true crime podcast. It's probably
Speaker 1: not going to be satisfied.
Speaker 2: I know, and it's funny, but every time it's like,
Speaker 2: what's shocking to me? Even though I listened to like
Speaker 2: true crime, but I always just like, expect the best
Speaker 2: of people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, expect the worst in this case and every
Speaker 1: other crime case.
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I'll change my mindset one day.
Speaker 1: So they determined her time of death was estimated to
Speaker 1: be shortly after she returned home from dropping the kids
Speaker 1: off at school that morning.
Speaker 2: Oh goodness, so.
Speaker 1: There was a large window of time where a killer
Speaker 1: could have been to the scene, cleaned up the scene,
Speaker 1: even committed the crime.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: At the scene, the investigators found that the door to
Speaker 1: Heather's house was unlocked, and her son Terry, actually mentioned
Speaker 1: that a house key had gone missing recently.
Speaker 2: Oh dang, don't hide those house keys. That was like
Speaker 2: a big thing. I feel like when we were growing up,
Speaker 2: like your parents always hid house key like under the
Speaker 2: match or something.
Speaker 1: Okay, to be fair, my parents hit a house key
Speaker 1: like really well at the front door or whatever.
Speaker 2: Well, I remember I made this. This is a side
Speaker 2: note that I'm just going to throw there, but I
Speaker 2: made this really tacky like dove shaped pottery thing that
Speaker 2: was just horrendous, and at the bottom was a space
Speaker 2: for a key. Yeah, so like my parents put it
Speaker 2: outside the would probably not break my heart, but put
Speaker 2: a key under there, which probably was so obvious. Yeah, probably,
Speaker 2: Like it's a good thing we didn't get murdered.
Speaker 1: So with the unlocked door, there's also signs of struggle
Speaker 1: within the house, of course, and Heather had been dragged
Speaker 1: into the bathroom after she had been killed. I stopped
Speaker 1: that sense a little premature.
Speaker 2: I was gonna actually ask. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Afterwards, luminol tests also showed bloody footprints throughout the house.
Speaker 1: So clearly the killer cleaned up the crime scene. Okay,
Speaker 1: each and everything.
Speaker 2: That's so interesting when they clean up. Okay, keep going.
Speaker 1: However, the bloody footprint seemed to just stop at one point,
Speaker 1: just all of a sudden, they just stopped abruptly. This
Speaker 1: was thought to indicate that the killer had actually stopped,
Speaker 1: taken off his shoes and closed and changed into new
Speaker 1: shoes and clothes. Interesting, so this is premeditated. Clearly he
Speaker 1: brought extra clothes with you.
Speaker 2: Okay, yep, totally, Yeah, he.
Speaker 1: Was careful and yeah. One thing was a little out
Speaker 1: of place though. There was a green towel in the
Speaker 1: hallway that was left with a bunch of blood on it.
Speaker 1: And this investigators actually had a felt that this towel
Speaker 1: didn't belong there. Oh, not to the crime scene, something
Speaker 1: not to the house.
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, Okay, so.
Speaker 1: This this green towel is key. It's going to come
Speaker 1: into play a little later on. Okay, I was thinking
Speaker 1: on like leaving that openly open. But no, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you know, remember this green towel, okay.
Speaker 2: Because my mind went like maybe he was still there
Speaker 2: when the kids arrived or something and he had like
Speaker 2: wasn't done and just like put in the hall. But
Speaker 2: that's not the case.
Speaker 1: You'll you'll see what happens here. We don't know why
Speaker 1: he left the towel behind or what, but we do
Speaker 1: know that it's it's an important piece of evidence. Okay,
Speaker 1: hold on, I lost my spot now where am i?
Speaker 1: My tablet turned sideways on me and it just like
Speaker 1: rearranged everything. Okay, Okay, I'm good, I'm good. Okay. So
Speaker 1: some individuals were bought brought back to the police station,
Speaker 1: of course for questioning, right, not necessarily as suspects, you know,
Speaker 1: just trying to hash out what happens, see if you
Speaker 1: can get witnesses or anything. One of those individual individuals
Speaker 1: was Daniello Restivo, the neighbor from across the street who
Speaker 1: was consoling Heather's children when the police arrived. Right, So
Speaker 1: a little bit background on Ristivo. He was born in
Speaker 1: Sicily in April nineteen seventy two, and then he moved
Speaker 1: to the city of Ponenza, Italy, where he spent most
Speaker 1: of his youth and younger adult life until two thousand
Speaker 1: and two, when he was thirty, he moved to Bournemouth.
Speaker 1: I think that's how you pronounce it. Bournemouth, Bournemouth, England,
Speaker 1: the city we are currently in and talking about.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So he moved there this same year that this happened.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So during the interview with Daniello, I'm going to I
Speaker 1: referred to him as Restivo there, but I'm going to
Speaker 1: go dan Yello from here and out.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: He was talking. He was saying that he was taking
Speaker 1: a computer course that morning, and he had a bus
Speaker 1: ticket with a stamp time of eight forty four am
Speaker 1: to prove his alibi, right, and there was also a
Speaker 1: sign and sheet for the course that showed he was
Speaker 1: there during the time of ten thirty am. Clearly he
Speaker 1: has an alibi. He was not around during the time
Speaker 1: of the murder. He was off doing his own thing
Speaker 1: at the computer course.
Speaker 2: It's okay, because yeah, I thought I already went there.
Speaker 2: Not he was guilty, but okay.
Speaker 1: So police move in on the investigation, but Daniello began
Speaker 1: to put up some red flags for the police. Oh,
Speaker 1: there are reports of him rambling and just not seeming
Speaker 1: to have his story put together well. And after going
Speaker 1: back to his alibi, they found the sign and sheet
Speaker 1: for the morning of his course was written in twelve
Speaker 1: thirty and then was written over top as a correction
Speaker 1: of ten thirty am, leaving a large window of time
Speaker 1: where he could have actually been at the crime scene.
Speaker 2: Okay, and like just pre purchased a bus tick and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. Yeah, purchasing a bus stick. It doesn't
Speaker 2: seem like a super alibi.
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean you were on.
Speaker 2: The bus exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, leaving that that altered alibi times thing
Speaker 1: for his sign and sheet, that doesn't really leave you
Speaker 1: much of an alibi any more. So you have quite
Speaker 1: a large window where he could have actually been.
Speaker 2: It better not be him. And he was like consoling
Speaker 2: the children.
Speaker 1: Huh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry to break your heart.
Speaker 2: Oh is it him?
Speaker 1: Daniello was questioned by the police in mid two thousand
Speaker 1: and three and released without charge due to lack of evidence. However,
Speaker 1: they kept a close eye on him and they began
Speaker 1: their search a little more details into who he was.
Speaker 1: One investigation team member actually came forward after a little
Speaker 1: while and said he found some past information regarding Daniello.
Speaker 1: Daniello was a little bit of a involved in a
Speaker 1: missing person's report of Alisa Claps, age sixteen, back in Italy.
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, like this is pre before he moved to
Speaker 2: this England place.
Speaker 1: Yes, so this is in nineteen ninety three. It's a Sunday,
Speaker 1: September twelfth in Ponenza, Italy. Alisa Claps went to meet
Speaker 1: Danielle at a church, arriving at approximately eleven thirty am
Speaker 1: just as mass finished. She went met up with him,
Speaker 1: but did not return home. Oh, she did not return home.
Speaker 1: Hold on putting coffee down. I was going to take
Speaker 1: a drink. But I'm getting into this now. That happens
Speaker 1: lots of the podcast.
Speaker 2: I happened so much to you, and I'm almost like,
Speaker 2: do you wanted to stop?
Speaker 1: Or is I?
Speaker 2: Like? That was it good?
Speaker 1: I don't need the sit I don't need the coffee.
Speaker 1: I need to keep going. Here's what I need to do.
Speaker 1: So Alisa's elder brother, Gildo, telephoned, telephoned, telephonhoned dan Yellow's
Speaker 1: family and was told that Daniello was out of town
Speaker 1: and they had no knowledge of Elisa's whereabouts, So something's
Speaker 1: a little fishy there. So when police questioned dan Yello,
Speaker 1: he said that he had left the church with Alisa
Speaker 1: still there, which was clearly not lining up already because
Speaker 1: I said he was out of town. Yeah, I'm stumbling
Speaker 1: through a section. I'm sorry, I'm missing my spots here
Speaker 1: and there. Where am I? Where did I go? Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm going to start that sentence over here. So when
Speaker 1: police questioned him, Daniello said that Lisa had left the church.
Speaker 1: There we go. So Daniello was still there a Lisa
Speaker 1: had left the church. Oh, while he stayed back and prayed.
Speaker 1: He explained a cut in his hand that he had
Speaker 1: just resulted, like you know, it's just an accident, just oops,
Speaker 1: and things happened. And Daniello's family actually declined police to
Speaker 1: see Daniello's clothing from the day, so they were not
Speaker 1: able to really investigate.
Speaker 2: Okay, because he would have been kind of young at
Speaker 2: that point too.
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't know his exact age. We can math
Speaker 1: it out if we want, but about the age of.
Speaker 2: Sixteen, yeah, okay, because at versus, like why is he
Speaker 2: hanging out with a sixteen year old, but he wouldn't
Speaker 2: have been that.
Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety three. Yeah, yeah, So the police weren't
Speaker 1: able to get his clothes, but they did want to
Speaker 1: investigate the church where at Lisa went missing. However, the
Speaker 1: priest in charge of the church opposed the search and
Speaker 1: they weren't able to search it.
Speaker 2: Why would you like it's to find a missing.
Speaker 1: Person, I don't know. On Fortunately, Elisa was never found
Speaker 1: and she was officially labeled as a missing person.
Speaker 2: Dang. And so then yeah, and then he just kind
Speaker 2: of got away with it at that point pretty much. Huh.
Speaker 1: So now, also digging into his history, Daniello was known
Speaker 1: to attempt and arrange dates with girls, claiming to have
Speaker 1: a present for them. He's basically just like trying to
Speaker 1: lure them and just bribe them, is what it seems
Speaker 1: to be. And then when they declined them, he would
Speaker 1: harass any girl who rejected him, he would give them
Speaker 1: phone calls and when they answer, he would just play
Speaker 1: creepy music from a film from a serial killer, like
Speaker 1: that's fucked up.
Speaker 2: That's not psychotic at all, not at all, not even
Speaker 2: in the least.
Speaker 1: So Daniello at this time was also known to police
Speaker 1: to have believed to be iresponsible for nine incidents in
Speaker 1: which women had their hair cut and taken. He was
Speaker 1: also thought to have tied up two kids before cutting
Speaker 1: wind with a knife.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's got quite the history as a kid
Speaker 1: a winner. Yeah, definitely. So this this investigator came forward
Speaker 1: with all this information that he found, and this is like, okay,
Speaker 1: we've I think we've got a guy here. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: clearly the hair cutting, for example, it's fairly convenient that
Speaker 1: he just ended up moving to this place and someone
Speaker 1: right away goes missing or start killed.
Speaker 2: And then there's some hair weirdness going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the hair weirdness is key here.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So the police and the investigators like, we got to
Speaker 1: keep an eye on this guy. So he was observed
Speaker 1: quite frequently. They followed him, They made sure that they
Speaker 1: were trailing him lots of places, and they were watching
Speaker 1: him closely. And he made repeat visits to a park
Speaker 1: where he would like covertly film women from like bushes
Speaker 1: and shits.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he probably didn't know they were still watching him.
Speaker 2: He didn't, Oh my goodness, So his real creepiness is
Speaker 2: coming out oh definitely.
Speaker 1: So he would like literally hide in bushes.
Speaker 2: And shit and film women.
Speaker 1: Yep, he would like stalk them throughout this like specific
Speaker 1: park really.
Speaker 2: People of time for the shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So on May twelfth, two thousand and four, the
Speaker 1: surveillance team that was following them became really alarmed due
Speaker 1: to specific behavior from that day. See, like I said,
Speaker 1: he was stalking people from bushes. However, he was wearing
Speaker 1: multiple layers of clothes, had his hood up, and was
Speaker 1: wearing gloves as well. Remember the crime scene with Heather Barnett.
Speaker 1: They said that the killer seemed to have changed clothing.
Speaker 2: Oh so he actually just like strips clothing.
Speaker 1: So this is a concern. He's wearing multiple layers of clothes. Oo,
Speaker 1: he can just take off that first layer. Gross, So
Speaker 1: they were quite concerned.
Speaker 2: That's actually kind of smart, though, I'm going to put
Speaker 2: that out there.
Speaker 1: I don't want to give him any credit.
Speaker 2: I'm not giving him any credit. But I've never heard
Speaker 2: of that before, Like I've heard changing the clothes which
Speaker 2: is just stripped down, Like yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: And it's not you might be able to like play
Speaker 1: the card like, oh, layering up's a good thing when
Speaker 1: it's cold. Out, No, this was midsummer, so.
Speaker 2: Okay, he was probably sweating balls most likely.
Speaker 1: So the police intervened and they searched him in his
Speaker 1: car and his bag and everything. They found identical change
Speaker 1: of clothing, just like we were saying, multiple layers there. They
Speaker 1: found a filet knife, scissors, a bellet, clava, and an
Speaker 1: extra pair of gloves.
Speaker 2: The filet knife would be what you would use to probably.
Speaker 1: Cut off the boobs, and I would assume the scissor
Speaker 1: for the hair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh boy, okay, of course.
Speaker 1: Though Daniell, it was just like, oh, you know, he
Speaker 1: had explanations for all this, you know, whatever it was.
Speaker 1: You know, I just came from a jog and extra
Speaker 1: parrot clothes for sweating, and he just oh, I forgot
Speaker 1: I had that Phillot knife in there from a couple
Speaker 1: days ago, and I mean, prove him wrong, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So the police didn't have anything to go on unfortunately,
Speaker 1: and they had to let him go. There's nothing convicting
Speaker 1: convicting him anything.
Speaker 2: They just kept watching him a little bit longer. But
Speaker 2: then I guess they're also worried that.
Speaker 1: They were worried someone could die, so they had to intervene. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so without any way of convicting him, they needed to
Speaker 1: find something else to connect him to Heather Barnett's murder.
Speaker 1: So they asked for help from the public regarding locks
Speaker 1: of hair. Specifically, they hope that maybe they could identify
Speaker 1: the mysterious person whose DNA was attached to that hair, Like,
Speaker 1: who is this person whose lock of hair is left
Speaker 1: in Heather's hand? Right, So, once they made a plea
Speaker 1: to the public, you know, they're putting out ads on
Speaker 1: the radio, paper all in his hometown and stuff too,
Speaker 1: Like they're blasting his face all over the place.
Speaker 2: Oh my, that's okay, good, it's good. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Multiple women became the began to come forward, actually identifying
Speaker 1: Daniello as someone who stole locks of hair from them. Really,
Speaker 1: he took hare from multiple women, women in movie theaters,
Speaker 1: public places. Even a schoolgirl identified him as a man
Speaker 1: who cut her hair on a bus.
Speaker 2: Good lord, that's actually very interesting that people wouldn't have
Speaker 2: come forward beforehand. You know, Like I feel like if
Speaker 2: I was in a movie theater and someone chopped part
Speaker 2: of my hair off, I don't know, I would just
Speaker 2: let that go.
Speaker 1: No kidding, but.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Also, like it's would we feel weird
Speaker 2: to maybe call the police over that too, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean I think I would feel more weird letting
Speaker 1: someone go who's sitting behind me chopping off my hair.
Speaker 2: If someone just comes and chops off your beard, you
Speaker 2: would have something to say about that.
Speaker 1: Oh I would be punching their face into the ground.
Speaker 2: That would be getting away.
Speaker 1: Takes a long time and a lot of care for
Speaker 1: this beard.
Speaker 2: It does it does.
Speaker 1: Someone messes with it, I'm going to mess with them. Okay.
Speaker 1: So they did find people saying that Daniello cut hair
Speaker 1: from them and everything. Unfortunately, they were never able to
Speaker 1: find a match to the DNA of the hair found
Speaker 1: in Heather's hand.
Speaker 2: Oh dang.
Speaker 1: It did get him arrested though, Well, yeah, I did
Speaker 1: get him arrested. So they were able to search his home.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, that's good possessions.
Speaker 1: They found, of course, locks of hair. They found identical
Speaker 1: shoes that were worn and matched the pattern the day
Speaker 1: of Heather Barnett's murder. I even had internal traces.
Speaker 2: Of blood okay, okay, but.
Speaker 1: It could not be identified due to they were soaked
Speaker 1: in bleach. All DNA was null and void.
Speaker 2: So there was blood on them, but the DNA part
Speaker 2: of it would have been because of the bleach.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can tell it's blood, but there's no DNA
Speaker 1: there anymore. Because Okay, so again, unfortunately there was no
Speaker 1: conclusive evidence and they had to release him back to
Speaker 1: the wild.
Speaker 2: I guess he just keeps getting away with this.
Speaker 1: He keeps getting away with it, and I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: he's like one of those people who's he's like laughing
Speaker 1: this whole way. He's like, yeah, I'm getting away with murder,
Speaker 1: like you can't catch me, sort of attitude, which just
Speaker 1: makes it even worse.
Speaker 2: It does, it actually really does.
Speaker 1: So remember when I said that green towel would come
Speaker 1: into play, right, Well, in two thousand and eight, however,
Speaker 1: new techniques for DNA sampling came to light. I love
Speaker 1: how that's.
Speaker 2: A long time, like ways from the murder a little,
Speaker 2: but two to two thousand and eight it's not.
Speaker 1: I mean, in retrospect, there's a lot of cases that
Speaker 1: go a lot further. That's true, So it is a
Speaker 1: little while, but it's not a long time, I guess.
Speaker 1: But I love how a lot of cases are just like, ah,
Speaker 1: I'm getting away with it. Actually, new DNA research that
Speaker 1: has evolved over the last two decades. I love that
Speaker 1: that new DNA techniques come out.
Speaker 2: That's good.
Speaker 1: So the new DNA sampling came to light, and that
Speaker 1: mysterious green towel covered in blood was able to reveal
Speaker 1: DNA that matched dan Yellow on it.
Speaker 2: Oh gotcha.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is where I'm going to give a little
Speaker 1: bit of a backstory here. I never said it at
Speaker 1: any other point yet because it didn't seem to fit, right,
Speaker 1: this is where I'm going to say it. So, Daniello
Speaker 1: actually hired Heather Barnett to sew up some curtains for
Speaker 1: who he was going to give to his spouse or
Speaker 1: partner for a gift. So Heather Barnett was actually a seamstress.
Speaker 1: So Daniello had said, you know, I've been to her house.
Speaker 1: I have my DNA there. Whatever. Right, So the police
Speaker 1: understand that there was a connection between the two prior
Speaker 1: to this.
Speaker 2: Okay, which he probably didn't even need any freaking curtains.
Speaker 1: Most likely he was stalking her. Yeah, and this also
Speaker 1: comes into play when Terry said there was a key missing.
Speaker 1: It went missing shortly after he began visiting their place
Speaker 1: for these curtains. Daniello, however, just said, you know, he
Speaker 1: had left it there previously on a visit to her house.
Speaker 1: So unfortunately, the sixth of November, the evidence was still
Speaker 1: judged insufficient for prosecution.
Speaker 2: He just left it there, that's what he said. Opposed
Speaker 2: to someone's house and leaves a fucking towel.
Speaker 1: Apparently some creepy goes around cutting women's hair, I guess,
Speaker 1: and is in need of curtains.
Speaker 2: Good lord, that's just okay.
Speaker 1: So it's unfortunately unsufficient evidence, brutal, and he was let
Speaker 1: go once again.
Speaker 2: That's a piss off.
Speaker 1: It would be another two years before they had enough
Speaker 1: to finally bring them to court though, because two years later,
Speaker 1: on March seventeenth, twenty ten, the body of Alisa Klapp
Speaker 1: was found in a church. Found in a church in
Speaker 1: a church, in a brick loft al cove beside a
Speaker 1: bell tower. So remember how she met him at a
Speaker 1: church when he was sixteen?
Speaker 2: Yeah, is that that she read missing?
Speaker 1: That's the church. She never left the church. She met
Speaker 1: him at the church, and she never left the church.
Speaker 2: Okay. And like the fact that that wasn't able to
Speaker 2: be searched, like that body could have been found years ago.
Speaker 1: Could have been yep, holy holy.
Speaker 2: Almost makes me think like the priests would have been
Speaker 2: in on it too, like why would you not let
Speaker 2: it be searched the name his name be sacred?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it could be that. But there's a little bit
Speaker 1: of theories that go back through this, and these are
Speaker 1: only theories. I didn't want to touch on them too much.
Speaker 1: But Daniello's father had some like foots in the door,
Speaker 1: foots in the door, had like his foot in the door,
Speaker 1: and like some like political and like police stuff. And
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that he may have had it as well,
Speaker 1: being a lot of religious people are very prevalent in
Speaker 1: you know, over in Europe and especially Italy. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: may have very well had his foot in the door
Speaker 1: with his church as well. So it could have been.
Speaker 2: Like a cover up thing, right, Okay, yep.
Speaker 1: So strands of Elise's own hair when she was found
Speaker 1: were actually found in her hand too, Really, Daniello's calling
Speaker 1: card the cut hair found in.
Speaker 2: Her hand, because that's almost silly to have a calling card, really,
Speaker 2: like Okay.
Speaker 1: They also found DNA and other evidence indicating Daniello was
Speaker 1: at Leasta's murderer. I couldn't find much on that it
Speaker 1: was just kind of there was DNA and other evidence,
Speaker 1: which is interesting.
Speaker 2: She must have had decomposed quite a bit.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure she would have. I'm sure she would
Speaker 1: have been like very almost mummified by that point. But
Speaker 1: there was still evidence left behind, be it other blood,
Speaker 1: because he had a scratch in his hand, remember, so
Speaker 1: I'm sure that could have been something along those lines,
Speaker 1: or maybe she got some of his hair too, I
Speaker 1: don't know, brutal. So being now they have a calling card,
Speaker 1: they can connect Daniello to both these murders, and it
Speaker 1: was enough to bring them to court. Okay, So two
Speaker 1: months after the remains of Alsa were found, Daniello was
Speaker 1: charged with the murder of Heather Barnett in England. So
Speaker 1: May twenty eleven, Danielle was found guilty of murdering Heather Barnett.
Speaker 1: Good evidence came in and because Alisa essentially saved this,
Speaker 1: she prevented him from walking free. Oh yeah, so she's
Speaker 1: our badass of the day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's the hero. Look at that.
Speaker 1: So it took the jury only one day to return
Speaker 1: with a verdict, and the judge sentenced Daniello to forty
Speaker 1: years in prison for the murder of Heather Barnett. And
Speaker 1: that's only Heather Barnett.
Speaker 2: Though, is there more?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean the murder of Alisa.
Speaker 2: Right, okay, yeah, I was like, is there even more
Speaker 2: that have come up?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: Well, there's there's probably there's there's some where he's connected to,
Speaker 1: but nothing proven yet.
Speaker 2: Okay, I would be surprised if it was only these
Speaker 2: two though, it'll be honest.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, same, but we are only covering these two
Speaker 1: in this yeah. Yeah. So in Italy after he's in prison,
Speaker 1: his trial went on in his absence in twenty eleven
Speaker 1: and he was also found guilty for the murder of
Speaker 1: Alisa Collapses, and he was sentenced to thirty more years.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: So the Home Security also ordered him to be deported
Speaker 1: back to Italy, where he would be jailed for what
Speaker 1: they say is the rest of his life.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That is the case of the hair in hand killer,
Speaker 1: This piece of shit who I don't care if I
Speaker 1: get his name wrong.
Speaker 2: He doesn't deserve for you get his name right, No,
Speaker 2: he doesn't. Wow. Okay, Well, I'm so glad that they
Speaker 2: ended up him. But god, that went on a long time.
Speaker 1: Yes, it did, and there's a lot of like I
Speaker 1: skipped a lot of little pieces of information because there
Speaker 1: it was all over the place trying to find something
Speaker 1: to go after this guy. But I stick. I kept
Speaker 1: to the main store. I kept like all the main information.
Speaker 1: If you really want to research more, there is some
Speaker 1: smaller details out there, and like I said, a lot
Speaker 1: of theories too on who else he could have been after.
Speaker 1: But this dude just seems like an all around fucking creep,
Speaker 1: even like as a kid he grew up just fucking weird.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, he sounds he sounds like a real winner.
Speaker 2: He better stay in jail for ever.
Speaker 1: Oh he is, for ever he is. They the judge
Speaker 1: said that the chances of him ever seeing the outside
Speaker 1: again is like slim to none. Good, he'll be in
Speaker 1: jail for life.
Speaker 2: Good good, he deserves it, that fucking rot. No shit. Huh,
Speaker 2: well done. That was very interesting.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: I'll be doing the next one.
Speaker 1: Do you know what the next episode is?
Speaker 2: I do?
Speaker 1: Actually, can we get a little bit of a hinty
Speaker 1: hint it? I don't know, Come on, come on, don't
Speaker 1: we don't give hints very hard.
Speaker 2: It's definitely going to make you want to lock your doors,
Speaker 2: including your balcony doors. Oh shit, So if you live
Speaker 2: in an apartment, lock your fucking balcony doors. I'm telling
Speaker 2: you that right now.
Speaker 1: Ha'd your kids, had your wife.
Speaker 2: And it's another it's another Canadian. I might have to
Speaker 2: branch out one day. All I've been doing is Canadian cases.
Speaker 2: But I think I said from the beginning that I
Speaker 2: like Canadian true crime. So yeah, I don't know, do
Speaker 2: we need more hints than that. I mean, that's.
Speaker 1: Given you, that's not really given any hints.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll drop a big one. So he's known as
Speaker 2: the bedroom strangler.
Speaker 1: That isn't a hint, that's just telling us. Oh, but
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that.
Speaker 2: How else do you give hints without really just like
Speaker 2: telling what it is? Well, we now know that's what
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 1: That sounds in depth and crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah I'm not giving his name, that's just his like nickname.
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's wild. It's like, actually, I'll be doing
Speaker 2: a lot of my research when you're like working night
Speaker 2: shift and I'm home alone, so I might not have
Speaker 2: like planned this shit properly.
Speaker 1: But yeah, gotcha, that's it all right, Well, look forward
Speaker 1: to it, all right, And we'll see you guys next week,
Speaker 1: or we'll talk to you next week. On the next episode,
Speaker 1: we hear all about it.
Speaker 2: Stay wicked,