WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.280 --> 00:00:04.679 Hey, peeps, I'm Nicole, I'm Ben, and you're listening to 2 00:00:05.080 --> 00:00:06.759 Wicked and Grim. 3 00:00:06.280 --> 00:00:15.080 A true crime podcast. Warning. The following podcast content material 4 00:00:15.119 --> 00:00:19.039 intended for a mature audience listener discretion. 5 00:00:36.679 --> 00:00:42.119 Keep saying, is that okay, that's fine? 6 00:00:43.079 --> 00:00:45.240 Hey, hey, hey, what's up? 7 00:00:45.359 --> 00:00:45.960 How's it going? 8 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:47.759 As Ben takes a sip of coffee. 9 00:00:47.840 --> 00:00:49.840 Yeah, good time. And we're just starting, and you like 10 00:00:49.880 --> 00:00:51.920 decide to start at the point that I take my 11 00:00:51.920 --> 00:00:56.039 final sip of coffee. That's an opportunity, isn't. 12 00:00:58.000 --> 00:00:59.079 So how's their own doing? 13 00:00:59.439 --> 00:01:02.560 Happy to day? What's what's shaking, what's new, what's exciting? 14 00:01:03.320 --> 00:01:06.120 We're like hair straight back, hair straight back. 15 00:01:06.239 --> 00:01:09.560 It's ridiculous. Oh my god, spring cleaning. We haven't even 16 00:01:09.599 --> 00:01:10.359 began that yet. 17 00:01:10.680 --> 00:01:13.000 I haven't finished our taxes, so this is like a 18 00:01:13.000 --> 00:01:16.200 big problem because the deadlines Friday or Thursday. 19 00:01:16.680 --> 00:01:18.159 Oh, I don't even know when is it. 20 00:01:18.159 --> 00:01:19.159 It's this week. 21 00:01:18.879 --> 00:01:20.879 I'm like screwed if it wasn't for you, because I'd 22 00:01:20.920 --> 00:01:21.840 like never do taxes. 23 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:24.359 You're a little screwed because of me too, because like 24 00:01:25.319 --> 00:01:27.000 I'm like cutting it close here. 25 00:01:28.040 --> 00:01:30.760 But you're you're pretty much there, at least pretty much. Yeah, 26 00:01:31.079 --> 00:01:33.400 get that nice weight off the shoulders once it's done. 27 00:01:33.640 --> 00:01:35.439 Yeah, and I think this might be the last year 28 00:01:35.640 --> 00:01:40.599 because we're hiring an accountant. I have on my hand 29 00:01:40.680 --> 00:01:41.519 up in excitement. 30 00:01:42.040 --> 00:01:45.000 Almost looked like you were like doing a Nazi thing. 31 00:01:45.680 --> 00:01:47.319 Was I was giving you a weird look? 32 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:49.000 You were giving me a really weird look. 33 00:01:49.799 --> 00:01:51.400 But yeah, I'm pumped the accountant so we don't have 34 00:01:51.439 --> 00:01:54.879 to go through this next year. Also, like speaking of 35 00:01:54.879 --> 00:01:57.200 getting things off, like the to do list, I just 36 00:01:57.239 --> 00:02:00.599 built a custom arcade in the garage. That's eight well, 37 00:02:00.640 --> 00:02:03.840 because long story short, it was like, you know, I've 38 00:02:03.840 --> 00:02:05.599 always wanted to have an arcade, right, so for my 39 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:07.920 thirtieth birthday, you let me build that arcade. Yeah, well 40 00:02:07.920 --> 00:02:08.120 I know. 41 00:02:08.240 --> 00:02:10.000 Why did you do it? Because we were having a 42 00:02:10.039 --> 00:02:10.960 nerdy thirty. 43 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:13.639 Yeah, nerdy thirty birthday party. Yeah, well, that wasn't why 44 00:02:13.719 --> 00:02:16.360 I was doing it. I did it for me. Why 45 00:02:17.120 --> 00:02:19.080 I wanted the arcade. I've always wanted an arcade. 46 00:02:19.240 --> 00:02:19.919 Oh okay, okay. 47 00:02:20.039 --> 00:02:22.080 And then it was like, oh, I want it in 48 00:02:22.159 --> 00:02:24.240 time for my nerdy thirty because it worked out great, 49 00:02:24.319 --> 00:02:27.280 right Yeah, So moving into a tiny home, there's not 50 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:30.759 exactly any space for a giant arcade. Cabinet. No, and 51 00:02:30.800 --> 00:02:33.360 it wasn't exactly too happy with the build. So I 52 00:02:33.400 --> 00:02:35.960 want to rebuild it before I sold it, and some 53 00:02:36.199 --> 00:02:39.599 friends of mine, well ours, Mike and Amber, bought it 54 00:02:39.639 --> 00:02:40.680 to go in their tattoo shop. 55 00:02:40.879 --> 00:02:41.280 Yeah. 56 00:02:41.319 --> 00:02:43.400 So I've rebuilt it and now that's off our to 57 00:02:43.439 --> 00:02:45.560 do list, and we're finally getting rid of the arcade cabinet. 58 00:02:45.879 --> 00:02:47.280 It's sad to see it go, though. 59 00:02:47.560 --> 00:02:50.479 It is sad, but one day you can have it again. 60 00:02:50.639 --> 00:02:52.840 You can now you don't want to make it that's true, 61 00:02:52.960 --> 00:02:56.159 made too basically, and you can redo one that is true. 62 00:02:56.199 --> 00:02:59.319 And we have a regular size house, though I never 63 00:02:59.479 --> 00:03:01.280 know if we're to actually go back to a regular 64 00:03:01.319 --> 00:03:05.759 size house, like another small cabin that could fit an arcade. 65 00:03:06.439 --> 00:03:08.759 Ideally that's what we want. A cabin on a lake though. 66 00:03:08.840 --> 00:03:10.159 That'd be amazing. 67 00:03:10.199 --> 00:03:12.199 To live on water, I think would be a dream. 68 00:03:12.479 --> 00:03:18.639 Not on water, actually water front, you would live on water. 69 00:03:19.120 --> 00:03:21.159 You're going more hardcore than I ever even thought. 70 00:03:21.599 --> 00:03:23.840 Wow, well, I'm trying not to be a basic bee. 71 00:03:23.840 --> 00:03:25.639 You remember how you. 72 00:03:25.599 --> 00:03:26.639 Got a lot of trying to go. 73 00:03:28.240 --> 00:03:31.000 Sorry, I'm working on it. I'm working on it. 74 00:03:32.439 --> 00:03:34.599 All This coffee is good. I just wanted to sit 75 00:03:34.639 --> 00:03:35.960 here and just drink this whole coffee. 76 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:38.280 Yeah, how about we just do a podcast where you're 77 00:03:38.319 --> 00:03:39.680 just like sipping your coffee. 78 00:03:39.879 --> 00:03:42.800 Oh, just that, Like what is it like SMR? Like 79 00:03:42.879 --> 00:03:46.560 a SMR or whatever. Really like people watch really satisfying 80 00:03:46.560 --> 00:03:48.400 things and listen to really satisfying noises. 81 00:03:48.680 --> 00:03:51.039 Okay. One thing that I find so satisfying and it's 82 00:03:51.080 --> 00:03:53.319 so over and weird because I fall like a few 83 00:03:53.800 --> 00:03:56.919 artisan soap makers Okay, and so they have like a 84 00:03:56.960 --> 00:03:59.439 giant block of soap and then they have like this 85 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:03.080 wire thing that just like cuts the soap so nicely, 86 00:04:03.840 --> 00:04:06.280 and I'm like, that's nice to watch. I'm into that. 87 00:04:06.560 --> 00:04:09.879 Soap cutting is like extremely popular in this genre. Did 88 00:04:09.919 --> 00:04:10.360 you know that? 89 00:04:10.639 --> 00:04:11.479 Oh I had no idea. 90 00:04:11.560 --> 00:04:14.319 Oh yeah, people like get a bar of soap, for example, 91 00:04:14.319 --> 00:04:16.439 and they'll like do like cross cuts in it, so 92 00:04:16.480 --> 00:04:20.519 it's like a grass. Oh and then they'll cut underneath, 93 00:04:20.519 --> 00:04:22.600 so all these like little tiny squares fall off the 94 00:04:22.639 --> 00:04:25.639 bar of soap. Oh it's really weird and cool. 95 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:29.360 But no, I uh, I was into that before I 96 00:04:29.439 --> 00:04:30.279 knew that was a thing. 97 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:33.120 Well, you know, it's a thing. A lot of people 98 00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:37.040 are into some weird stuff, like our killer today is 99 00:04:37.079 --> 00:04:40.879 in some is into some weird stuff hair specifically. 100 00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:43.399 Okay, a lot of people have hair fetishes. 101 00:04:43.560 --> 00:04:48.000 Yeah, this dude is known as the hair in hand killer. Cool, 102 00:04:48.360 --> 00:04:49.240 not really. 103 00:04:49.040 --> 00:04:51.279 See, I actually like the opposite of a hair fetish. 104 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:52.040 I hate hair. 105 00:04:52.120 --> 00:04:52.959 Hair is kind of gross. 106 00:04:53.040 --> 00:04:53.959 I think it's nasty. 107 00:04:54.600 --> 00:04:56.480 And yet your husband has hair growing all over his 108 00:04:56.639 --> 00:04:58.360 face giant beard. 109 00:04:58.480 --> 00:05:00.240 Well no, it's just like if you find it where 110 00:05:00.279 --> 00:05:02.600 it's not supposed to be, is what I think is nasty? 111 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:04.040 Gotcha is all? 112 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:07.360 So okay, carry on, We'll stop about my my what 113 00:05:07.399 --> 00:05:09.240 I don't like nasty hairness? 114 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:14.560 Okay. So I'm going to try and pronounce some of 115 00:05:14.560 --> 00:05:16.680 these names. There's a little there's one dude who's got 116 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:19.759 like an off name here. He's Italian. And this takes 117 00:05:19.759 --> 00:05:22.399 place over in England. So the place in England where 118 00:05:22.399 --> 00:05:29.160 it is is Bournemouth. Bournemouth, I think Bournemouth, okay, Bournemouth, England. 119 00:05:29.160 --> 00:05:32.199 It's it's South England sort of thing. Okay. So it's 120 00:05:32.199 --> 00:05:36.360 in November of two thousand and two, November twelfth, very specifically, 121 00:05:37.120 --> 00:05:40.279 two kids were coming home from school. The boy was 122 00:05:40.360 --> 00:05:44.240 named Terry, he was aged fourteen, and the girl his sister, 123 00:05:44.480 --> 00:05:49.279 Caitlin was age eleven. Okay, they arrived home just before 124 00:05:49.439 --> 00:05:53.439 four pm from school, and after they came home, they 125 00:05:53.480 --> 00:05:55.519 didn't receive the normal warm welcome they did from their 126 00:05:55.560 --> 00:05:56.480 mom at the front door. 127 00:05:57.279 --> 00:05:58.920 Uh oh, I don't like this. 128 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:02.480 Well you're not going to like what happens further. 129 00:06:02.759 --> 00:06:03.000 Shit. 130 00:06:04.160 --> 00:06:06.519 So they didn't receive the normal greeting, so Caitlyn called 131 00:06:06.519 --> 00:06:09.040 out to their mom and if there was no response. 132 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:14.680 So in an interview, Terry actually said, this is actually 133 00:06:14.759 --> 00:06:16.560 kind of like heartbreaking this quote. So this is from 134 00:06:16.879 --> 00:06:19.759 from the sun. He says, it was at that moment 135 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:22.600 when the house was silent, then I thought something was 136 00:06:22.639 --> 00:06:25.920 wrong here, nothing visually, just quiet. 137 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:28.519 Oh no, So. 138 00:06:28.399 --> 00:06:29.439 That's from the fourteen year old. 139 00:06:29.800 --> 00:06:32.319 Her heart knew, he knew. 140 00:06:33.480 --> 00:06:35.759 So without a response, they moved into the house looking 141 00:06:35.800 --> 00:06:39.120 for their mom. After a few moments, Caitlyn knocked on 142 00:06:39.160 --> 00:06:41.399 the closed bathroom door, hoping she was in there, just 143 00:06:41.399 --> 00:06:43.800 didn't hear them, right, and she'd hear a response. She 144 00:06:43.839 --> 00:06:48.240 didn't hear a response, so she opened the door. Oh no, 145 00:06:49.920 --> 00:06:54.079 and there she found her mum, blood everywhere. Lifeless. 146 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:55.120 Shit. 147 00:06:58.279 --> 00:06:59.879 That's one hell of a way to find your mom. 148 00:07:00.199 --> 00:07:04.040 Hey, well, yeah, these kids are young. Yeah, okay, like 149 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:06.600 murdering is just not cool, but like if they have 150 00:07:06.920 --> 00:07:08.720 dependence like children. 151 00:07:08.519 --> 00:07:11.279 Like fuck ah, I mean just fuck off and murdering 152 00:07:11.639 --> 00:07:14.319 in it tired general, but it's like it this pulls 153 00:07:14.319 --> 00:07:16.079 at my heart a little more because like, now these 154 00:07:16.079 --> 00:07:18.240 people are the kids are going to grow up without 155 00:07:18.240 --> 00:07:18.480 like a. 156 00:07:18.480 --> 00:07:19.720 Mom, Like that's shit. 157 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:22.480 I couldn't find anything on their father, I must. I 158 00:07:22.560 --> 00:07:24.040 knew she was a single mom, but I don't know 159 00:07:24.079 --> 00:07:26.279 where the dad is or oh okay, I. 160 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:28.040 Thought maybe he was just at work or something. But 161 00:07:28.120 --> 00:07:29.040 it was a single mom. 162 00:07:29.079 --> 00:07:31.759 Hey yeah, as far as I can tell, I couldn't 163 00:07:31.800 --> 00:07:33.480 find any facts on it. But I'm pretty sure she 164 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:34.399 was just a single mom. 165 00:07:34.639 --> 00:07:35.959 Okay, that's shitty. 166 00:07:37.279 --> 00:07:41.399 So police were obviously called to the scene, right, Yeah, 167 00:07:41.439 --> 00:07:43.639 they moved into the house and you know, they're doing 168 00:07:43.680 --> 00:07:46.199 their investigation. But when they arrived on the scene, they 169 00:07:46.199 --> 00:07:49.040 found the kids outside and being comforted by a neighbor 170 00:07:49.079 --> 00:07:52.480 from across the street, Daniello Restivo. That's the guy who 171 00:07:52.519 --> 00:07:54.319 I'm gonna have trouble pronouncing his name, but I think 172 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:55.000 I nailed there. 173 00:07:55.319 --> 00:07:57.920 I hope he's not the killer, but keep going. 174 00:07:58.639 --> 00:08:04.279 Shit, Okay, Daniello, Danilo, Danilo, not Daniello. It's Danilo. I 175 00:08:04.360 --> 00:08:07.720 wanted to make that clear. As I'm talking in this podcast, 176 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:09.800 I might end up slurring it or going fast and 177 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:11.279 saying Daniello. But it's Danilo. 178 00:08:11.480 --> 00:08:11.800 Okay. 179 00:08:13.079 --> 00:08:15.759 So the investigation started immediately. Like I said that, the 180 00:08:16.439 --> 00:08:18.839 cops were in the house doing their thing. Yeah, so 181 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:22.920 they found the mom, whose name was Heather Barnett. She 182 00:08:23.079 --> 00:08:25.439 was found bludgeoned to death with what appeared to be 183 00:08:25.480 --> 00:08:26.000 a hammer. 184 00:08:27.240 --> 00:08:27.959 Yikes. 185 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:31.199 She was also mutilated. Her breasts had been cut off 186 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:34.600 and laid back behind her head, and a lock of 187 00:08:34.639 --> 00:08:37.720 hair was found in each of her hands. One hand 188 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:40.200 there was a lock of her own hair, and then 189 00:08:40.240 --> 00:08:42.320 the other hand was a lock of hair from an 190 00:08:42.440 --> 00:08:43.279 unknown person. 191 00:08:44.200 --> 00:08:45.120 Holy shit. 192 00:08:45.679 --> 00:08:46.840 Yeah, it's kind of fucked up. 193 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:50.000 The breast thing is what made my jaw drop. That's nasty. 194 00:08:50.440 --> 00:08:53.559 Yeah, definitely. There's actually there's a few cases out there 195 00:08:53.559 --> 00:08:56.120 that I've heard of, and I've listened to other podcasts. 196 00:08:57.240 --> 00:09:00.600 Breast mutilation seems to be a popular thing thing I 197 00:09:00.679 --> 00:09:02.279 don't understand, Like, what the fuck? 198 00:09:03.039 --> 00:09:05.320 So you're like just looking at titties and have the 199 00:09:05.440 --> 00:09:06.639 urge to want to cut them off. 200 00:09:06.720 --> 00:09:09.440 I don't know like some of the other ones, some 201 00:09:09.519 --> 00:09:11.440 of the other ones that they theorized that it was 202 00:09:11.480 --> 00:09:14.519 like more of like removing the femininity from them, like 203 00:09:14.559 --> 00:09:18.960 almost humiliating the individual. Really, I don't think that's the 204 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:21.320 case in this one, but that's what I've read in 205 00:09:21.360 --> 00:09:23.919 other cases where it could have been like a psychological 206 00:09:23.960 --> 00:09:25.840 thing where they're trying to humiliate their victim. 207 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:29.840 Wow, that doesn't seem like a way to humiliate your victim, 208 00:09:29.919 --> 00:09:31.240 but okay. 209 00:09:30.840 --> 00:09:33.039 It seems like a way to get a one way 210 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:36.200 ticket to prison and hell and burn for a long 211 00:09:36.279 --> 00:09:39.279 fucking time. Oh shit, speaking of burn, I'm gonna burn 212 00:09:39.320 --> 00:09:40.279 my tongue with hot coffee. 213 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:43.600 I already don't like this. This is already gone self 214 00:09:43.679 --> 00:09:43.919 for me. 215 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:48.919 I mean, this is a true crime podcast. It's probably 216 00:09:49.000 --> 00:09:49.960 not going to be satisfied. 217 00:09:49.960 --> 00:09:51.840 I know, and it's funny, but every time it's like, 218 00:09:52.120 --> 00:09:54.960 what's shocking to me? Even though I listened to like 219 00:09:55.000 --> 00:09:57.440 true crime, but I always just like, expect the best 220 00:09:57.440 --> 00:09:57.919 of people. 221 00:09:58.200 --> 00:10:01.399 Yeah, no, expect the worst in this case and every 222 00:10:01.399 --> 00:10:02.320 other crime case. 223 00:10:02.360 --> 00:10:04.759 I know, I know, I'll change my mindset one day. 224 00:10:05.600 --> 00:10:08.200 So they determined her time of death was estimated to 225 00:10:08.200 --> 00:10:11.080 be shortly after she returned home from dropping the kids 226 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:12.279 off at school that morning. 227 00:10:12.399 --> 00:10:13.360 Oh goodness, so. 228 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:16.399 There was a large window of time where a killer 229 00:10:16.440 --> 00:10:19.320 could have been to the scene, cleaned up the scene, 230 00:10:19.639 --> 00:10:21.000 even committed the crime. 231 00:10:21.480 --> 00:10:21.840 Yeah. 232 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:24.559 At the scene, the investigators found that the door to 233 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:28.720 Heather's house was unlocked, and her son Terry, actually mentioned 234 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:31.559 that a house key had gone missing recently. 235 00:10:32.080 --> 00:10:35.879 Oh dang, don't hide those house keys. That was like 236 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:37.720 a big thing. I feel like when we were growing up, 237 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:39.879 like your parents always hid house key like under the 238 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:40.600 match or something. 239 00:10:40.639 --> 00:10:43.519 Okay, to be fair, my parents hit a house key 240 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:46.120 like really well at the front door or whatever. 241 00:10:46.279 --> 00:10:48.519 Well, I remember I made this. This is a side 242 00:10:48.559 --> 00:10:50.720 note that I'm just going to throw there, but I 243 00:10:50.759 --> 00:10:54.399 made this really tacky like dove shaped pottery thing that 244 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:57.519 was just horrendous, and at the bottom was a space 245 00:10:57.519 --> 00:10:59.519 for a key. Yeah, so like my parents put it 246 00:10:59.519 --> 00:11:01.840 outside the would probably not break my heart, but put 247 00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:04.919 a key under there, which probably was so obvious. Yeah, probably, 248 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:06.639 Like it's a good thing we didn't get murdered. 249 00:11:06.879 --> 00:11:09.919 So with the unlocked door, there's also signs of struggle 250 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:13.279 within the house, of course, and Heather had been dragged 251 00:11:13.399 --> 00:11:16.399 into the bathroom after she had been killed. I stopped 252 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:17.440 that sense a little premature. 253 00:11:17.480 --> 00:11:18.879 I was gonna actually ask. Yeah. 254 00:11:18.919 --> 00:11:23.360 Afterwards, luminol tests also showed bloody footprints throughout the house. 255 00:11:23.840 --> 00:11:27.399 So clearly the killer cleaned up the crime scene. Okay, 256 00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:28.279 each and everything. 257 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:31.440 That's so interesting when they clean up. Okay, keep going. 258 00:11:31.720 --> 00:11:35.519 However, the bloody footprint seemed to just stop at one point, 259 00:11:35.679 --> 00:11:38.360 just all of a sudden, they just stopped abruptly. This 260 00:11:38.519 --> 00:11:40.799 was thought to indicate that the killer had actually stopped, 261 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:45.279 taken off his shoes and closed and changed into new 262 00:11:45.320 --> 00:11:49.919 shoes and clothes. Interesting, so this is premeditated. Clearly he 263 00:11:50.000 --> 00:11:51.480 brought extra clothes with you. 264 00:11:51.639 --> 00:11:53.759 Okay, yep, totally, Yeah, he. 265 00:11:53.759 --> 00:11:57.879 Was careful and yeah. One thing was a little out 266 00:11:57.879 --> 00:12:01.159 of place though. There was a green towel in the 267 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:03.720 hallway that was left with a bunch of blood on it. 268 00:12:04.320 --> 00:12:06.759 And this investigators actually had a felt that this towel 269 00:12:06.799 --> 00:12:10.440 didn't belong there. Oh, not to the crime scene, something 270 00:12:10.559 --> 00:12:11.320 not to the house. 271 00:12:11.960 --> 00:12:14.320 Oh interesting, Okay, so. 272 00:12:14.159 --> 00:12:16.120 This this green towel is key. It's going to come 273 00:12:16.120 --> 00:12:18.200 into play a little later on. Okay, I was thinking 274 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:20.600 on like leaving that openly open. But no, I'm gonna 275 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:23.440 I'm gonna let you know, remember this green towel, okay. 276 00:12:23.120 --> 00:12:25.080 Because my mind went like maybe he was still there 277 00:12:25.120 --> 00:12:26.960 when the kids arrived or something and he had like 278 00:12:27.320 --> 00:12:29.240 wasn't done and just like put in the hall. But 279 00:12:29.320 --> 00:12:30.120 that's not the case. 280 00:12:31.080 --> 00:12:33.360 You'll you'll see what happens here. We don't know why 281 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:36.960 he left the towel behind or what, but we do 282 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:39.440 know that it's it's an important piece of evidence. Okay, 283 00:12:39.960 --> 00:12:41.879 hold on, I lost my spot now where am i? 284 00:12:42.120 --> 00:12:44.639 My tablet turned sideways on me and it just like 285 00:12:44.799 --> 00:12:50.200 rearranged everything. Okay, Okay, I'm good, I'm good. Okay. So 286 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:52.440 some individuals were bought brought back to the police station, 287 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:55.679 of course for questioning, right, not necessarily as suspects, you know, 288 00:12:55.759 --> 00:12:57.840 just trying to hash out what happens, see if you 289 00:12:57.840 --> 00:13:01.799 can get witnesses or anything. One of those individual individuals 290 00:13:01.879 --> 00:13:04.879 was Daniello Restivo, the neighbor from across the street who 291 00:13:04.919 --> 00:13:08.440 was consoling Heather's children when the police arrived. Right, So 292 00:13:08.440 --> 00:13:11.559 a little bit background on Ristivo. He was born in 293 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:15.639 Sicily in April nineteen seventy two, and then he moved 294 00:13:15.639 --> 00:13:18.600 to the city of Ponenza, Italy, where he spent most 295 00:13:18.639 --> 00:13:21.600 of his youth and younger adult life until two thousand 296 00:13:21.639 --> 00:13:24.879 and two, when he was thirty, he moved to Bournemouth. 297 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:29.080 I think that's how you pronounce it. Bournemouth, Bournemouth, England, 298 00:13:29.600 --> 00:13:31.639 the city we are currently in and talking about. 299 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:33.039 Okay. 300 00:13:33.080 --> 00:13:35.679 So he moved there this same year that this happened. 301 00:13:35.840 --> 00:13:37.080 Okay. 302 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:40.039 So during the interview with Daniello, I'm going to I 303 00:13:40.080 --> 00:13:41.799 referred to him as Restivo there, but I'm going to 304 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:42.919 go dan Yello from here and out. 305 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:43.200 Okay. 306 00:13:44.279 --> 00:13:46.519 He was talking. He was saying that he was taking 307 00:13:46.559 --> 00:13:48.399 a computer course that morning, and he had a bus 308 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:50.879 ticket with a stamp time of eight forty four am 309 00:13:50.960 --> 00:13:53.919 to prove his alibi, right, and there was also a 310 00:13:53.960 --> 00:13:57.039 sign and sheet for the course that showed he was 311 00:13:57.080 --> 00:14:00.320 there during the time of ten thirty am. Clearly he 312 00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:03.679 has an alibi. He was not around during the time 313 00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:06.399 of the murder. He was off doing his own thing 314 00:14:06.399 --> 00:14:07.159 at the computer course. 315 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:09.559 It's okay, because yeah, I thought I already went there. 316 00:14:09.720 --> 00:14:11.759 Not he was guilty, but okay. 317 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:16.039 So police move in on the investigation, but Daniello began 318 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:19.480 to put up some red flags for the police. Oh, 319 00:14:19.879 --> 00:14:22.559 there are reports of him rambling and just not seeming 320 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:25.399 to have his story put together well. And after going 321 00:14:25.440 --> 00:14:28.320 back to his alibi, they found the sign and sheet 322 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:31.519 for the morning of his course was written in twelve 323 00:14:31.679 --> 00:14:34.759 thirty and then was written over top as a correction 324 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:38.639 of ten thirty am, leaving a large window of time 325 00:14:38.639 --> 00:14:40.519 where he could have actually been at the crime scene. 326 00:14:41.759 --> 00:14:44.240 Okay, and like just pre purchased a bus tick and 327 00:14:44.279 --> 00:14:46.960 stuff like that. Yeah, purchasing a bus stick. It doesn't 328 00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:48.039 seem like a super alibi. 329 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:49.159 It doesn't mean you were on. 330 00:14:49.120 --> 00:14:50.200 The bus exactly. 331 00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:56.320 Yeah. So yeah, leaving that that altered alibi times thing 332 00:14:56.440 --> 00:14:58.960 for his sign and sheet, that doesn't really leave you 333 00:14:59.080 --> 00:15:01.360 much of an alibi any more. So you have quite 334 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:03.799 a large window where he could have actually been. 335 00:15:03.960 --> 00:15:06.360 It better not be him. And he was like consoling 336 00:15:06.399 --> 00:15:08.120 the children. 337 00:15:08.840 --> 00:15:13.159 Huh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry to break your heart. 338 00:15:14.039 --> 00:15:15.120 Oh is it him? 339 00:15:15.720 --> 00:15:18.360 Daniello was questioned by the police in mid two thousand 340 00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:21.919 and three and released without charge due to lack of evidence. However, 341 00:15:21.960 --> 00:15:24.559 they kept a close eye on him and they began 342 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:27.320 their search a little more details into who he was. 343 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:31.960 One investigation team member actually came forward after a little 344 00:15:31.960 --> 00:15:35.559 while and said he found some past information regarding Daniello. 345 00:15:36.159 --> 00:15:40.480 Daniello was a little bit of a involved in a 346 00:15:40.480 --> 00:15:46.159 missing person's report of Alisa Claps, age sixteen, back in Italy. 347 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:49.039 Oh, okay, like this is pre before he moved to 348 00:15:49.080 --> 00:15:49.960 this England place. 349 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:54.320 Yes, so this is in nineteen ninety three. It's a Sunday, 350 00:15:54.559 --> 00:15:59.519 September twelfth in Ponenza, Italy. Alisa Claps went to meet 351 00:15:59.600 --> 00:16:03.960 Danielle at a church, arriving at approximately eleven thirty am 352 00:16:04.519 --> 00:16:07.879 just as mass finished. She went met up with him, 353 00:16:08.519 --> 00:16:13.000 but did not return home. Oh, she did not return home. 354 00:16:13.720 --> 00:16:15.480 Hold on putting coffee down. I was going to take 355 00:16:15.480 --> 00:16:18.759 a drink. But I'm getting into this now. That happens 356 00:16:18.840 --> 00:16:19.840 lots of the podcast. 357 00:16:19.879 --> 00:16:21.559 I happened so much to you, and I'm almost like, 358 00:16:21.559 --> 00:16:22.360 do you wanted to stop? 359 00:16:22.440 --> 00:16:22.759 Or is I? 360 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:24.159 Like? That was it good? 361 00:16:24.200 --> 00:16:26.200 I don't need the sit I don't need the coffee. 362 00:16:26.279 --> 00:16:28.240 I need to keep going. Here's what I need to do. 363 00:16:29.519 --> 00:16:36.000 So Alisa's elder brother, Gildo, telephoned, telephoned, telephonhoned dan Yellow's 364 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:39.120 family and was told that Daniello was out of town 365 00:16:39.159 --> 00:16:42.759 and they had no knowledge of Elisa's whereabouts, So something's 366 00:16:42.759 --> 00:16:46.159 a little fishy there. So when police questioned dan Yello, 367 00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:51.240 he said that he had left the church with Alisa 368 00:16:51.399 --> 00:16:54.519 still there, which was clearly not lining up already because 369 00:16:54.519 --> 00:16:58.639 I said he was out of town. Yeah, I'm stumbling 370 00:16:58.639 --> 00:17:00.960 through a section. I'm sorry, I'm missing my spots here 371 00:17:01.000 --> 00:17:04.799 and there. Where am I? Where did I go? Okay, Okay, 372 00:17:04.839 --> 00:17:06.880 I'm going to start that sentence over here. So when 373 00:17:06.920 --> 00:17:10.200 police questioned him, Daniello said that Lisa had left the church. 374 00:17:10.240 --> 00:17:12.160 There we go. So Daniello was still there a Lisa 375 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:15.240 had left the church. Oh, while he stayed back and prayed. 376 00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:17.759 He explained a cut in his hand that he had 377 00:17:18.119 --> 00:17:20.519 just resulted, like you know, it's just an accident, just oops, 378 00:17:20.519 --> 00:17:25.720 and things happened. And Daniello's family actually declined police to 379 00:17:25.839 --> 00:17:29.160 see Daniello's clothing from the day, so they were not 380 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:30.359 able to really investigate. 381 00:17:30.440 --> 00:17:32.039 Okay, because he would have been kind of young at 382 00:17:32.039 --> 00:17:32.680 that point too. 383 00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:35.079 Yes, I don't know his exact age. We can math 384 00:17:35.079 --> 00:17:36.720 it out if we want, but about the age of. 385 00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:40.200 Sixteen, yeah, okay, because at versus, like why is he 386 00:17:40.279 --> 00:17:42.480 hanging out with a sixteen year old, but he wouldn't 387 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:42.880 have been that. 388 00:17:43.279 --> 00:17:46.039 In nineteen ninety three. Yeah, yeah, So the police weren't 389 00:17:46.039 --> 00:17:47.640 able to get his clothes, but they did want to 390 00:17:47.680 --> 00:17:51.640 investigate the church where at Lisa went missing. However, the 391 00:17:51.680 --> 00:17:54.680 priest in charge of the church opposed the search and 392 00:17:54.720 --> 00:17:55.799 they weren't able to search it. 393 00:17:56.039 --> 00:17:58.480 Why would you like it's to find a missing. 394 00:17:58.200 --> 00:18:02.079 Person, I don't know. On Fortunately, Elisa was never found 395 00:18:02.160 --> 00:18:04.359 and she was officially labeled as a missing person. 396 00:18:04.839 --> 00:18:07.960 Dang. And so then yeah, and then he just kind 397 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:12.079 of got away with it at that point pretty much. Huh. 398 00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:14.920 So now, also digging into his history, Daniello was known 399 00:18:14.960 --> 00:18:18.119 to attempt and arrange dates with girls, claiming to have 400 00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:21.759 a present for them. He's basically just like trying to 401 00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:24.279