Speaker 1: Uh uh.
Speaker 2: Uh, what's up you guys.
Speaker 1: It's me Cecily Nobler here with Stephanie Wilder Taylor.
Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, friends, O friends, little countrymen, countrymen, country women.
Speaker 2: Let's face mostly Oh you can't spell count Now, that's
Speaker 2: just something we just came. See.
Speaker 1: That's the kind of thing you don't know on the show. No,
Speaker 1: it starts and then we just it goes.
Speaker 2: We don't know, we don't know. Yeah, if how how
Speaker 2: can you know? If we don't know?
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I'm saying. It's like it's exciting for
Speaker 1: us too. It's like it's like a big build up.
Speaker 1: And sometimes we you know, we walk away in shame.
Speaker 1: Usually not not today.
Speaker 2: Let's be let's be honest. We don't care. We don't care.
Speaker 2: We end episodes. I'm gonna tell you something. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: give you a little funny peek behind the curtain. Huh, Cecily,
Speaker 2: Cecily oftentimes not okay, I'm not gonna say often off
Speaker 2: that would be an exaggeration. But sometimes Cecily will be like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, do you think we do you think
Speaker 2: people are going to be offended by this or that?
Speaker 2: And I'm always like, oh my god, no, and who cares?
Speaker 2: And then later it's just sometimes an initial reaction that
Speaker 2: you have about like, oh god, did we go too far,
Speaker 2: And then later you think about it, you go, yeah,
Speaker 2: fuck it, I don't care. But it's always an initial
Speaker 2: thing that because we don't know what's going to come
Speaker 2: out of our mouths, and sometimes sometimes we do go
Speaker 2: too far. But way back in the day, and I
Speaker 2: know people hate it when we say this, but way
Speaker 2: back in the day, oh my god, there were a
Speaker 2: lot of episodes that we couldn't air.
Speaker 1: We just didn't air, I mean like long, like some
Speaker 1: were Patreon bonuses. Those were where we especially went wrong
Speaker 1: because we thought we were like, we're so safe because
Speaker 1: it's Patreon. It's just paid people that get us and
Speaker 1: they want to be here, and it's not just like
Speaker 1: thrust upon them. This is and yeah, we would do
Speaker 1: a whole thing about someone we know, you know, and
Speaker 1: be like, oh, fuck it, and then we're like, oh
Speaker 1: we can't.
Speaker 2: Or yes, yes, yes. If you think we have some
Speaker 2: bad takes, now you should have heard some of the things.
Speaker 2: And sometimes we'd go on like for forty minutes, and
Speaker 2: then later we'd be like, we can't air that.
Speaker 1: We both go no, especially because I think the reason
Speaker 1: we would go on is because we were trying to
Speaker 1: convince ourselves that we assholds. We're like, well, hold on,
Speaker 1: hold on, and then Mike, we both start thinking like, well,
Speaker 1: but what if they only listen to the part where
Speaker 1: we're terrible and then they're like, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: listen to this anymore, and they don't hear us go
Speaker 1: we understand how some of you may feel that Amanda binds.
Speaker 1: For example, I'm not even going to finish the sentence
Speaker 1: because it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what was that. I mean, there were
Speaker 2: things there. I'm sure there would be like a Woody
Speaker 2: Allen episode where we were just on the freaking wrong
Speaker 2: side of things, and then we'd be like, I mean,
Speaker 2: by the end of the episode, we'd be like, I mean,
Speaker 2: I could see if somebody else felt a different way,
Speaker 2: but then it was just too late.
Speaker 1: They're like, yes, he's eavy and terrible, like we get it, Like, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it was at least we're being honest about it. And
Speaker 1: the last one, I'll just say, I'm not gonna we
Speaker 1: won't go into it, but yeah, I was really worried
Speaker 1: after we'd recorded and it was just.
Speaker 2: Kind of a side note.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I don't want to make I
Speaker 1: don't want Europeans to be upset with me because I
Speaker 1: said they should get AC and you were like, it's fine.
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, because maybe they can't.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's a grid problem and maybe their grids
Speaker 1: don't support AC like our grid, which is probably drue.
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't think anyone's going to think.
Speaker 1: You know how much I love it over there. I
Speaker 1: root for them the most.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. I just don't want to see it.
Speaker 2: I don't see our listeners being like, well that's where
Speaker 2: I draw the line. They just said they just victim
Speaker 2: blamed the French. Well your your opinion, your thing was valid.
Speaker 2: You were like, I don't want anybody to think I
Speaker 2: don't care if people. People are dying over there very much. Yeah,
Speaker 2: especially the elderly and people who can't. And I don't
Speaker 2: know why they're not getting ACS. I think they should,
Speaker 2: though I'd like to let's put some let's put on that.
Speaker 2: Let's do go fundme for friends for Europe, just Europe
Speaker 2: and Germany. Seems like they have a lot of money,
Speaker 2: you know what, I mean to put into their systems
Speaker 2: exactly need to upgrade their grid a little bit. I'd say,
Speaker 2: go for it, guys, I just do it unlimited energy.
Speaker 2: But my goodness, it's eighty eight degrees and you're acting okay.
Speaker 2: I don't want to do it again. See I'm doing
Speaker 2: it again. Okay, we're good. You know what we're going
Speaker 2: to talk about today? Something I think safer. Who knows though,
Speaker 2: who knows? When we get done with any topic? If
Speaker 2: it's safe, that's right, that's right. What what are we
Speaker 2: starting with? You you want to start? Can I start
Speaker 2: us out with this housewives thing? Or is this?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Okay? Yeah, there is reality show day by the way.
Speaker 1: So theme so you got your Bachelor, you got your Bravo,
Speaker 1: we got all that ship.
Speaker 2: We're bringing this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll go a little Hulu mm hmm, all the
Speaker 1: all the stuff. So I'm going to start with this
Speaker 1: refining story. Now, the OC is back. You know, I
Speaker 1: meant to watch it, but I didn't. I guess they're
Speaker 1: just I think just came back yesterday. Maybe maybe it's tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I know you don't want to
Speaker 1: watch Orange County anymore, and I do not blame you.
Speaker 2: I have Vicky's back, you know what what I mean,
Speaker 2: I do. I feel angry about it, because yes, Vicky
Speaker 2: sucks so bad. These so many of these people are maga.
Speaker 2: I just I just don't I don't care about them.
Speaker 2: And it is Gretchen supposed to be. Is Gretchen back?
Speaker 2: I don't even know. I mean, I checked out. I
Speaker 2: checked out of that ship.
Speaker 1: But one of the women that was on Housewives Orange
Speaker 1: County is this woman named jen Jennifer dan.
Speaker 2: Jef and she I didn't like her on the show.
Speaker 2: She's kind of they painted her. She kind of fought her.
Speaker 1: Way back, but if you watched a few seasons ago,
Speaker 1: they really painted her as not very bright, bull digging.
Speaker 1: She was with this guy that like had all these
Speaker 1: issues allegedly with FBI, like he was being rated. All
Speaker 1: these businesses he had were shady. But you know, and
Speaker 1: she's this blonde woman that's gotten a lot. No no
Speaker 1: shame in being blonde or getting all your stuff done.
Speaker 2: She did a lot.
Speaker 1: Gin Tamra fought a lot because Tamra, you know, they
Speaker 1: didn't get like just a lot going.
Speaker 2: Also, don't forget that she did not pay any of
Speaker 2: the rent what's her name, Jana. I can't do her voice,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Gina was
Speaker 2: mad at her at the very beginning because she lived
Speaker 2: in the place that she lived and just did not
Speaker 2: pay her rent and was like, well, I thought my
Speaker 2: ex husband was going to pay it and he didn't. Oh,
Speaker 2: that's right, So I just didn't pay it and then
Speaker 2: I had to move out. And everybody was really mad
Speaker 2: at her because like, girl, that you why were you
Speaker 2: living in a place where the rent is like twelve
Speaker 2: thousand dollars a month that you couldn't pay. You can't
Speaker 2: just be like what, I didn't know, so God.
Speaker 1: Then she moved in with this guy with a bunch
Speaker 1: of kids going to come up. She has a bunch
Speaker 1: of kids and let this guy kind of take care
Speaker 1: of everything. Then she got in this huge fight with
Speaker 1: Emily was also hard on hers, like why are you
Speaker 1: walking around with a fucking rolex when you can't pay
Speaker 1: people that you owe? Sell your fucking watch right where
Speaker 1: Emily was on it, so Tamor. She got in a
Speaker 1: fight with Tama too later when she kind of got
Speaker 1: her groove back and was trying to yell at everybody,
Speaker 1: and she yelled to Tamar, like stay out of my business,
Speaker 1: like I finally have my kids are safe, as though
Speaker 1: she couldn't do that in any way on her own,
Speaker 1: right if you had to have this, dude.
Speaker 2: So she's not our favorite.
Speaker 1: I don't like her at all. Never happened, No, So okay,
Speaker 1: this is the headline. On page six. Real Housewive star
Speaker 1: reveals her son is facing quote unquote consequences for.
Speaker 2: His involvement in starting a wild fire. Now this story
Speaker 2: makes me so angry because it's she's like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean we were really like, we were really upset when
Speaker 2: we found out this happened. And believe me, there's there's
Speaker 2: there were consequences. We were, but she's one of those
Speaker 2: parents that's just like, you know, we made sure that
Speaker 2: he got a time out because we I mean, it's like,
Speaker 2: your son is a fucking fire starter? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: We were. We were destroyed, as you guys know, our
Speaker 1: city a little over a year ago. We lost altad
Speaker 1: almost all of Altadina a lot of Malibu like parts.
Speaker 1: I was evacuated, Stephanie was evacuated. We and it was
Speaker 1: it was traumatizing.
Speaker 2: It was for our dogs, yes, and that fire was Arson,
Speaker 2: so oh, well, so was our Runyon was arsen to. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think all of them were actually yeah, but the big,
Speaker 2: the big, the Pacific Palisades fire was Arson. I mean
Speaker 2: they caught that guy, so this is this is no joke,
Speaker 2: like you could.
Speaker 1: They caught the guy and like didn't really do much.
Speaker 1: They had a hung jury on that. It's outrageous. So
Speaker 1: I'm very upset about that. But this was in Ladera Ranch, California,
Speaker 1: and she says, yes, he's facing consequences. She did not
Speaker 1: name which son she's got three. No, she has four
Speaker 1: sons with her ex husband, William. She has twenty two
Speaker 1: year old Harrison, nineteen year old Dawson that's who I
Speaker 1: think it was, sixteen year old Grayson could have been him,
Speaker 1: and twelve year old Dominick all right, but like I'm dominant.
Speaker 2: I think Dawson and Grayson. There were issues the former.
Speaker 2: They also have a daughter.
Speaker 1: So she had five kids, five kids, but could not
Speaker 1: couldn't take care of and only a man can help
Speaker 1: her take care of them. Yeah, she's the worst, so
Speaker 1: she says, she wrote, I guess she posted he and
Speaker 1: others were involved. My ex husband and myself, take this
Speaker 1: very serious, not seriously.
Speaker 2: She wrote that down and just let it go.
Speaker 1: The behavior is unacceptable and we are deeply sorry to
Speaker 1: our community. This is a tough learning moment for our
Speaker 1: son and our family.
Speaker 2: Fuck you, this is a criminal act, Jen.
Speaker 1: This is another POSTI were her, I would not. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is so legal, but California, so I'm not really
Speaker 1: sure what will happen.
Speaker 2: Honestly, the other person didn't get in trouble. The next trouble.
Speaker 2: The next sentence of this makes me stabby.
Speaker 1: So she says, we were so thankful there was no
Speaker 1: property damage and nobody was hurt. The fire and the
Speaker 1: fire and police were absolutely amazing and gave these boys
Speaker 1: a lesson.
Speaker 2: They won't never forget a lesson. They committed a fucking crime.
Speaker 2: They they're fire starters. They're fire starters. That is crazy behavior.
Speaker 2: They purposely started a fire.
Speaker 1: He will be taking a fire safety course to make
Speaker 1: sure a mistake like this never happens again. There are
Speaker 1: consequences within our family, and we will make sure our
Speaker 1: son learns from the accident. She calls it an accident,
Speaker 1: make sure he hears so she's oh my god, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, and then there's photos of them of tons
Speaker 1: of fire resources who could be used in better ways blowing,
Speaker 1: you know, putting out, and tons of them putting out
Speaker 1: a giant fire.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh. It was reported for forty five local time on Tuesday,
Speaker 1: both on the ground and then the air coordinated effort. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: so firefighters were able to stop the flames before they
Speaker 1: reached nearby homes.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's great. What if they had? Yeah, what if
Speaker 2: it what if it was a day? What do you
Speaker 2: want to say, Bobby? What are you gonna say?
Speaker 1: Jennifer, who has been a main cast member on the
Speaker 1: show since season seventeen, split from the husband William in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. So that's not even not long ago
Speaker 1: that she had this whole other relationship and moved her
Speaker 1: kids into this other guy's house.
Speaker 2: Right, they were married, quite so that was ryan. Remember
Speaker 2: they got together in twenty twenty four. Yeah, fuck her,
Speaker 2: fuck them all. Somebody this on Reddit, where I originally
Speaker 2: read this, it says she's constantly apologizing. She should try
Speaker 2: to figure out why so many people around her suck
Speaker 2: so bad. Yeah. Yeah, that's a great cob. Yeah. And
Speaker 2: then some people were like, the fire was down the
Speaker 2: street from me, all the helicopters doing water drops, huge
Speaker 2: response from the fire department. Send her the bill.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yes, of course, and his her rich FBI
Speaker 1: scheming whatever. He's not in the f he was being
Speaker 1: an investigator.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So let me move on to should
Speaker 2: I tell you really quick about hold on? Where is it? Okay?
Speaker 2: So this is really gross and sad. But this woman,
Speaker 2: Anne Marie Wiley. Okay, So remember Anne Marie Wiley was
Speaker 2: from Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. She was only on
Speaker 2: for one season because she was very controversial. She really
Speaker 2: came for such which I didn't mind that much because
Speaker 2: Sutton was like, there's something wrong esophagus and that's why
Speaker 2: I don't eat very much because I can't swallow. And
Speaker 2: she was like, well, I'm a nurse, I'm an esophagus nurse,
Speaker 2: and uh I don't. I don't think that's true. And
Speaker 2: then people were like, well, you're not actually an esophagus
Speaker 2: anything like you're a nurse that you're not even I
Speaker 2: don't know what she was. She was not anything that
Speaker 2: had any right to weigh in at all. Right, although
Speaker 2: again I never like, yeah she was. She was really
Speaker 2: awful and she was also again it just very very
Speaker 2: maga and it turned out so the But the thing was,
Speaker 2: from all the reporting that we saw, her husband seemed
Speaker 2: horrible and her husband don't forget. Sorry, I said, don't
Speaker 2: forget so much like you're like you're constantly forgetting. Don't Cecily,
Speaker 2: don't forget this. Okay. Her husband had a thing where
Speaker 2: he called her everybody who's calling her eight point five
Speaker 2: because her husband told her that said, she's not a ten,
Speaker 2: but she's an eight point five because she's, you know,
Speaker 2: pretty good at a lot of stuff, but you know,
Speaker 2: she's like an eight point five and looks but an
Speaker 2: eight point five. And anyway, he really sounded like pretty
Speaker 2: awful and abusive, and turns out he totally is. So
Speaker 2: he was arrested for domestic abuse. The first story was
Speaker 2: a little bit more confusing, but the second story that
Speaker 2: came out is basically that she claims that he raped her. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's pretty bad, and she filed a restraining order and
Speaker 2: she's getting a divorce from him. But you know, you
Speaker 2: remember that I hated him from the get go because
Speaker 2: he had all this like anti trans sentiment, like and
Speaker 2: I just thought it was gross. That she was associated
Speaker 2: with him, but yeah, she is asking the court to
Speaker 2: order her a strange husband to stay one hundred yards
Speaker 2: away from her and allow her to use the home.
Speaker 2: He was arrested over the weekend, so this would have
Speaker 2: been last weekend after she claimed he got physical with
Speaker 2: her in a Florida hotel room. He denied the claims,
Speaker 2: but was arrested for domestic violence. And she's saying, now, okay,
Speaker 2: so that he has subjected her to continuing and escalating
Speaker 2: pattern of physical violence, sexual abuse, verbal and emotional abuse,
Speaker 2: financial control, and intimidation. And as much as I don't
Speaker 2: like her, I completely believe her. He seems horrible. Oh,
Speaker 2: I totally believe her. Yeah, he was forshed.
Speaker 1: They were both not great, right, and you know, and
Speaker 1: I'm starting to think that people that go on these
Speaker 1: housewive show or any reality show, a lot of them
Speaker 1: aren't great.
Speaker 2: Is what it's feeling like to me.
Speaker 1: If I may make a bold statement, yeah, there's something
Speaker 1: wrong here, Like if that's the only job is well,
Speaker 1: I got to get up my job because I have
Speaker 1: five kids and my ex is booten. He's not paying
Speaker 1: for all the ones that have that are over eighteen
Speaker 1: he's not paying me, is what she means. Probably right,
Speaker 1: because from what I understand, I think the ex husband
Speaker 1: did take good care of the kids.
Speaker 2: It's all a mess. We're back on Jen Paganry. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. Yes, oh yeah, no, I agree with that.
Speaker 2: But listen to this, she says. This is Anne. Marie says,
Speaker 2: because of the trauma associated with many of these events,
Speaker 2: there are gaps in my memory as I've blocked out
Speaker 2: much of what Marcella's has done to me. I believe that,
Speaker 2: he says. She says. She claimed that Marcel's raped her
Speaker 2: in twenty twelve while he was intoxicated and tried to
Speaker 2: sleep with two of her friends. The same year, in
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen, he punched her in the face and gave
Speaker 2: her a black eye, and she said when she was
Speaker 2: nine months pregnant in twenty nineteen, he threw a bottle
Speaker 2: of Coca Cola at her head. So he seems horrible.
Speaker 2: But the thing is a plug for Coca Cola. That's
Speaker 2: product placement. Yeah, that's our we have it.
Speaker 1: By the way, I unrelated, we do have an ad
Speaker 1: with Coca Cola. And that's just how they said we
Speaker 1: could do it. Anyway we want.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is there's more stuff that's even more
Speaker 2: graphic that I'm not going to say no, But she
Speaker 2: did a lot of really bad stuff the whole like horrible.
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of fighting exes, let's talk about Taylor Frankie Paul.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you what's going on there. And you're
Speaker 2: hearing this.
Speaker 1: We're recording this probably four or five days before you're
Speaker 1: hearing it, so you know, don't worry about that. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter whatever he knows he is. But yeah, we're
Speaker 1: on it. Okay, So Taylor Frankie Paul, you know our bachelorette,
Speaker 1: our secret, shameful bachelorette.
Speaker 2: This is on TMZ and Exclusive.
Speaker 1: It says she grills her ex Da Coda about girls
Speaker 1: in texts and says, who the fuck you with?
Speaker 2: She said, So, I'm just going to read this to you.
Speaker 1: She questioned her ex Tokoda on whether he was hanging
Speaker 1: out with other girls following their breakup in wild text
Speaker 1: messages that he's using in court. TMZ learned. So, they
Speaker 1: they're so good at that. I don't know how the
Speaker 1: TMZ does it, but they're good at it. URSU is
Speaker 1: familiar with the case telld TMZ that he submitted a
Speaker 1: series of texts from February conversations in twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: where Taylor asked her ex what his plans were for
Speaker 1: the night. When she didn't get an immediate response, she
Speaker 1: followed it up with multiple question marks and then a
Speaker 1: third text stating hello and all caps.
Speaker 2: You know that I would lose my mind? Oh yeah, Hello.
Speaker 1: Dakota explained he was getting food, but Taylor was not
Speaker 1: buying the answer, and she started to grill him about
Speaker 1: her his plans where she was getting food. She texted,
Speaker 1: who the fuck you with? Fucking sketch liar. She also
Speaker 1: told Dakota he was being wicked and believed he was
Speaker 1: up to something. Another Taylor text read, nah, you're with girls? Hey,
Speaker 1: go with that, all right? You know now, I don't
Speaker 1: want to take her side on this, but Dakota probably
Speaker 1: deserved some suspicion, right, Like, we're not thinking Dakota is great.
Speaker 2: We don't know, we don't know the b Okay, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna say this and I'm gonna I'm going
Speaker 2: to push back on you and you're not alone when
Speaker 2: whenever you see Taylor Frankie Paul's stuff. People are like, yeah,
Speaker 2: but he sucks too, and what did he do before?
Speaker 2: But there are video after video coming out by Dakota's
Speaker 2: friend crew keeps putting out these videos of Taylor freaking
Speaker 2: the fuck out, like trying to attack him. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: and what there's there's one that there's a new one
Speaker 2: where he's holding their kid in his arms and he's like, basically,
Speaker 2: he says, you tried. You were attacking me before, because
Speaker 2: she's like, why are you filming me? Why are you
Speaker 2: filming me? You're horrible for filming me? And he's like,
Speaker 2: because you were attacking me. She never says no, I wasn't.
Speaker 2: You're lying. Never, She's just like, oh, well, you shouldn't
Speaker 2: be filming me. You shouldn't be filming me. You're so
Speaker 2: mean for filming me. I where okay, where are the videos? Yeah?
Speaker 2: How come he has countless videos of her attacking him
Speaker 2: and we have not seen one video of him attacking her,
Speaker 2: And yet so many people are like, yeah, but what
Speaker 2: does he do to her? I mean, I understand her mad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, She's like maybe she doesn't pull out the phone.
Speaker 1: Some people don't. Some things she just never has.
Speaker 2: So she knows that he's made so many videos and
Speaker 2: she's just not one time been like I'm going to
Speaker 2: take a video of you hurting me.
Speaker 1: I don't think she's the brightest, if I'm honest, she
Speaker 1: does not. She does not seem smart at all, just
Speaker 1: based on these texts a lot, I mean, like they're
Speaker 1: all just dummies.
Speaker 2: Well, all my other women, all the other women on
Speaker 2: Mormon House, on the Mormon Secret Lives of Mormon Wives,
Speaker 2: they all say that she's violent. Oh yeah, oh yeaheah.
Speaker 2: I agree with that.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I am not a fan of her
Speaker 1: at all. I was mortified, you know, I'm mad. I've
Speaker 1: been about ABC, Disney and all this, but I think
Speaker 1: he sucks too. But you're right, that doesn't those two
Speaker 1: things should be separate. We should just deal with like
Speaker 1: her kind of crazy right now because he's the one
Speaker 1: providing that proof, which is your point.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah. My point is he's he's showing proofs
Speaker 2: she doesn't deny. She keeps. There's another thing, another text
Speaker 2: message exchange between them that I'm not going to bother
Speaker 2: reading to you, But the gist of it was both
Speaker 2: of them were being toxic, but she was saying, I
Speaker 2: know I shouldn't behave like that with you. You haven't
Speaker 2: done anything to deserve like I've hurt you, I've physically
Speaker 2: hurt you. Basically, she was completely acknowledging like being physical
Speaker 2: with him, and she's like, I don't know why I
Speaker 2: do that. I just get so mad and I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: But if that was the other way around, that would
Speaker 2: just you would never have people going, yeah, but what
Speaker 2: did she do? Right? She do to instigate it? You know,
Speaker 2: it's kind of like our joke like whoa is she
Speaker 2: talking back? Right? You know, she was asking for it, like,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe she's just a bit. I mean, we
Speaker 2: would never do that. We would be like, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: We're watching a video of a guy beating up a woman.
Speaker 2: Let's just say, nobody when they saw that Chris Brown.
Speaker 2: Then when they heard that Chris Brown beat up Rihanna
Speaker 2: and nobody was like, yeah, but Rihanna's you know what,
Speaker 2: was she being a bitch to him?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: My god? Of course not.
Speaker 1: But I think in this case, it's not not talking
Speaker 1: about the physical abuse, but talking about like who are
Speaker 1: you with?
Speaker 2: You're a liar, you're cheater.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Dakota probably was not to be trusted,
Speaker 1: So we don't know what the dynamic. There's no excuse
Speaker 1: ever for her to put her hands on anyone, like
Speaker 1: especially well ever at all, but especially with her kids
Speaker 1: in the room. I mean, like she's obviously a total
Speaker 1: train wreck. We do not support that. But when it
Speaker 1: comes to like cheating allegaty, I'm not that person personally
Speaker 1: who rage texts people about where they are and who.
Speaker 1: I just internalize it and like write a poem about
Speaker 1: it every now and then, honestly and listen to maybe
Speaker 1: boy genius, but I really so, I don't really get it.
Speaker 1: But I also I also don't know what their dynamic
Speaker 1: is in terms of like him not being faithful or
Speaker 1: even a good person. So I'm trying not to I'm
Speaker 1: trying to separate these things a little bit and go like, well,
Speaker 1: a text where she's sort of like you're lying, where
Speaker 1: the fuck are you? I could see how there could
Speaker 1: be more information that explains that.
Speaker 2: Well, Yeah, And what I was going to say too
Speaker 2: about the text that I was reading is basically she's like,
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry, you know, I'm sorry, Like I'm so
Speaker 2: horrible to you, You're you're so great You're such a
Speaker 2: great dad. I'm a terrible mom. And then he writes back,
Speaker 2: Oh my god, no you're not. You're like the most
Speaker 2: amazing mom, Like I love you so much, like I
Speaker 2: want to be holding you right now. I mean you
Speaker 2: can just see that their relationship is so toxic.
Speaker 1: She's like a bottomless pity and he like loves the
Speaker 1: drama and they're grows.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, one of the things too. I just want
Speaker 2: to say one more thing about her, which is that
Speaker 2: she about Taylor Frankie Paul, which is that one of
Speaker 2: her things that she's done that's pissed off the other
Speaker 2: women is that she's, you know, her whole thing right
Speaker 2: now is saying, I'm the reason that you guys are famous.
Speaker 2: I'm the reason that this show is successful. They wanted me,
Speaker 2: it's my show, like, and you guys are all like
Speaker 2: riding on my coattails. And some of these women are
Speaker 2: just not having it. And Mikayla wrote, I can't for
Speaker 2: some reason, I can't, I cut off the top of this,
Speaker 2: but she wrote something about the accomplishments of women who've
Speaker 2: done nothing but celebrate yours. Oh it's something like it's
Speaker 2: something like putting down the accomplishments of women who've done
Speaker 2: nothing but celebrate yours is definitely a choice. Shout out
Speaker 2: to Whitney and Jen who both went on Dancing with
Speaker 2: the Stars and absolutely killed it, one of them freshly postpartum.
Speaker 2: That's a little slammed to her because she's always like,
Speaker 2: I'm postpartum macy for becoming a New York Times bestselling
Speaker 2: author and whatever her name is, Slaala for absolutely eating
Speaker 2: up every runway Slala, but now I don't know it's
Speaker 2: literally Slaala, oh Leyla. But they're calling her Slayla because
Speaker 2: she was because she's queen. Okay, Oh my god, I'm
Speaker 2: old Okay, And of course, shout out to all the
Speaker 2: other incredible accomplishments that somehow made the cut to be
Speaker 2: diminished in her post. For someone who's so big on
Speaker 2: quote defending yourself end quote, not being silenced, it's pretty
Speaker 2: hypocritical to simultaneously use your massive platform to pressure and
Speaker 2: intimidate the people around you into staying quiet about their experiences.
Speaker 2: So these women are not on Taylor's side, and they
Speaker 2: never have been, and nor.
Speaker 1: Would we be. She's terrible. We always thought that even
Speaker 1: only we're covering that show. Yeah, yeah, so that's that.
Speaker 1: And then okay, this is pretty funny. I can't stop
Speaker 1: being excited about this Jen LaPlaca stuff too okay.
Speaker 2: Funny to me. And anytime I get little updates, I've
Speaker 2: got to share them because she I've seen another couple
Speaker 2: of clips of her just with her, like, yeah, she's
Speaker 2: so delusional, it's crazy. But here's okay. So here's an
Speaker 2: article that was in TMZ that says the Peter Weber
Speaker 2: hits back at former producer's hook up bombshell. So some
Speaker 2: of this you've heard, but there's new information in here. Okay,
Speaker 2: so god, it's just going to read you the article.
Speaker 2: Peter Weber is firing back at former Bachelor producer Julie LaPlaca,
Speaker 2: claiming claimed in her new memoir the two hooked up
Speaker 2: while his season was still airing, telling TMZ he's deeply
Speaker 2: disappointed she chose to publicly reveal what he says, we're
Speaker 2: private moments. Okay, this part you've heard, but I'm going
Speaker 2: to read it again, Peter tells TMZ in a statement.
Speaker 2: I just find it ironic that Julie is coming out
Speaker 2: with a book all about finding your truth and searching
Speaker 2: for love when the entire time I was trying to
Speaker 2: do just that on my season of The Bachelor with
Speaker 2: her as my main confidant and guide throughout the process.
Speaker 2: Her actions said otherwise, he continues, I'm no means a
Speaker 2: victim in all this. I'm a grown man who's responsible
Speaker 2: for all my actions, and I know that. That being said,
Speaker 2: going through an experience like I did involved a certain
Speaker 2: level of trust being given to people I really didn't
Speaker 2: know that much about at the time. Peter says, contestants
Speaker 2: are cut off from the outside world and rely heavily
Speaker 2: on producers for guidance, adding, I have a hard time
Speaker 2: understanding how Chris Harrison and Julie can both endorse this
Speaker 2: type of book when they know how badly they let
Speaker 2: me down. For instance, Peter alleges, Okay, this is crazy.
Speaker 2: Peter alleges Julie got into a very stern argument with
Speaker 2: him when he was going to give contestant Hannah Ann
Speaker 2: sluss A rose to meet his family for the hometown
Speaker 2: dates and warned and warned him America would laugh at him.
Speaker 2: He tells TMZ, you can imagine the confusion and lack
Speaker 2: of trust I felt in that moment. Lack of self trust.
Speaker 2: A few weeks later, when Peter was getting ready to
Speaker 2: propose to Hannah Anne, he claims Julie and Chris blatantly
Speaker 2: lied to him that she was having second thoughts in
Speaker 2: order to get a reaction out of him, and he
Speaker 2: later learned Hannah was never having such uncertain feelings. He
Speaker 2: also claims he spoke with Julie for about ninety minutes
Speaker 2: before the memoir was published, repeatedly asking her not to
Speaker 2: incline his name or reveal off camera details about their relationship.
Speaker 2: Peter tells us quote to have her laugh in my
Speaker 2: face while I was very vulnerably expressing my reasons for
Speaker 2: wanting to be left out of this book was unforgivable.
Speaker 2: And yes she knows. I have the conversation recorded. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so so basically, yeah, everything that you already know, but
Speaker 2: the way you already knows. No, I'm saying, well, okay,
Speaker 2: just it was just Julie who was in who was
Speaker 2: Peter's main producer, claimed that she and Peter's friendship turned
Speaker 2: romantic in early twenty twenty after his engagement to Hannah
Speaker 2: Ann ended, alleging they hooked up while his season was
Speaker 2: still airing and again after his brief reconciliation with Matty Pruett.
Speaker 2: She also alleged they went to bed together just days
Speaker 2: before Peter rekindled things with Kelly Flanagan, and then rumors
Speaker 2: about them swirled for years after they were spotted together
Speaker 2: in Chicago. But basically a lot of this stuff that's
Speaker 2: coming out that she's saying on podcasts is that she
Speaker 2: had like what you've described as limerens, that she just
Speaker 2: kind of fell in love with them. She couldn't. She
Speaker 2: became pretty obsessed with him and like thinking that they
Speaker 2: were soulmates and they were meant to be, and that's
Speaker 2: why she was trying to sabotage his relationship with these
Speaker 2: other women. It's crazy that the Bachelor would be okay
Speaker 2: with this coming out in a book like it's I mean,
Speaker 2: that goes far beyond limeral. That's not really what limerens is.
Speaker 2: That's what she called it.
Speaker 1: That Oh interesting, I love you know. My favorite thing
Speaker 1: is when people misuse like therapy talk.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised she's not saying she's like, what's the neurospicy,
Speaker 1: She's saying, not too she is she now neurosparkly neurus.
Speaker 2: Is that a thing neurospark? Yeah, No, that doesn't.
Speaker 1: It doesn't like make you do like that's a whole
Speaker 1: different disorder that makes you do crazy, weird things and
Speaker 1: like sabotages other people's relationships.
Speaker 2: I didn't mean that part, but I meant she got
Speaker 2: very obsessed with him, and she acknowledges that. During she
Speaker 2: just was very delusional and like we're going to end
Speaker 2: up together and we're meant to be, and like we
Speaker 2: just have to get him to not be thinking about
Speaker 2: these other women, because how can he not see it
Speaker 2: like she was. She just fell hard for him.
Speaker 1: She is delusional anyway, though, because we see the way
Speaker 1: she's taught. Like I thought she was joking when Stephanie
Speaker 1: first brought this to me, I was like, she's joking.
Speaker 1: She's putting on like a little act, just put in
Speaker 1: a little show, like she's kidding. She's doing she's like satire. Right,
Speaker 1: nobody would go on a show. And she be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they wanted me to be the butler. And then you
Speaker 1: look at her and you're like, real, they didn't. Right,
Speaker 1: We're not even putting her down. She's a beautiful woman.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that but it's just like you can
Speaker 1: tell she's delusional just by the way she talks about shit.
Speaker 2: Yes, of course, she's also very good at what she's doing.
Speaker 1: She's very good at plugging a book because we're talking
Speaker 1: about it, she's getting it out there. She doesn't give
Speaker 1: a fuck. She does not care if like, I don't
Speaker 1: think she cares if we're mocking her. She's like, no,
Speaker 1: probably not, so we are probably not all right.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Also, I just wanted to tell you in case
Speaker 2: you didn't know that Taylor Frankie Paul is returning for
Speaker 2: Secret Lives of Mormon Wives for season five. They're braining'll
Speaker 2: watching that just so we're clear. I can't do it.
Speaker 2: I couldn't do it when we were doing it. Oh wait,
Speaker 2: it says, oh hold on, hold on. It says I
Speaker 2: spoke too soon because the headline is miss misleading. It
Speaker 2: says Taylor Frankie Paul returning for Secret Lives of Mormon
Speaker 2: Wives for season five. But there's a twist. It says
Speaker 2: she's returning to film season five, but only the opening credits.
Speaker 2: The Influencers set to film the intro over the next
Speaker 2: two days, but she won't be appearing throughout the rest
Speaker 2: of the season. While she won't be filming with the
Speaker 2: rest of the cast, it was it in April that
Speaker 2: Paul would likely get in front of the cameras at
Speaker 2: some point. So I don't know, no acts, no more.
Speaker 2: I can't boo yeah, ooh.
Speaker 1: Lady, all right, these are the terrible people that are
Speaker 1: in our life. Do we have like one reality start
Speaker 1: that we're loving right now? Anybody that we can leave
Speaker 1: on a nice note?
Speaker 2: Genuinely think so? Honestly, I can't think of anybody. There's
Speaker 2: got to.
Speaker 1: Be somebody, you know who I like. Oh, I do
Speaker 1: have one, and I can't think of her name. I
Speaker 1: can never think of her name. But she's the one
Speaker 1: that cried all the time and she's not on Housewives
Speaker 1: Rhode Island. Yeah, I know who you're talking. Yeah, her
Speaker 1: name is Ashley Ashley or whatever. I think she's adorable.
Speaker 1: And I watched a little bit of Rhode Island. I
Speaker 1: can't really get into it. It's very It might as
Speaker 1: well just be Jersey. I really can't tell the different.
Speaker 1: I don't understand what I guess. I just don't understand
Speaker 1: what Rhode Island is because it's just Jersey, you know, right,
Speaker 1: but she's on there and it's a it's a good
Speaker 1: it's a good season. I just couldn't. I can't really
Speaker 1: tell people apart. And that's something that even Andy Cohen
Speaker 1: said on the reunion. He's like a lot of you
Speaker 1: as are saying that we cannot tell you apart based
Speaker 1: on your extensions and the work you've had done.
Speaker 2: Well. That is very true except for Ashley, Yes, exactly,
Speaker 2: But I couldn't tell any one. Of the things that
Speaker 2: made watching the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives difficult was
Speaker 2: I never did figure out the difference between a lot
Speaker 2: of ya, not even a single thing.
Speaker 1: But Ashley is really I always liked her, even when
Speaker 1: she was crying, even when we mocked her a little
Speaker 1: on like Bachelor in Paradise, Like she got, she got
Speaker 1: what she came for. She she dug her heels in,
Speaker 1: heels in and got her. Man's got her really cute
Speaker 1: poor Man's Ashton Kutcher.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like and I like the guy. He really
Speaker 2: doesn't want anything much to do.
Speaker 1: He'll show up on the Housewives ever now and then,
Speaker 1: but he really just wants to run his little coffee shop.
Speaker 1: And he seems so humble and cute and I don't
Speaker 1: know how happy they are. Probably not, but I got
Speaker 1: to say I really like her, so to end on
Speaker 1: a positive note.
Speaker 2: Doesn't he have like a failing coffee shop or something.
Speaker 2: I think that's probably why they agreed to do it.
Speaker 2: That's what he focuses.
Speaker 1: I mean, he'll show up on the show and they
Speaker 1: kind of argue about like him always working. But they're
Speaker 1: trying to plug the coffee shop. And I don't know
Speaker 1: how much it's going to help because I don't know
Speaker 1: how many people are going to go to Rhode Island
Speaker 1: to go to this right place.
Speaker 2: And if you're her, are you like okay, like we're
Speaker 2: we're we have this sort of big platform. Maybe we
Speaker 2: should start some other business that's a little safer, like
Speaker 2: something we could sell, like a like make our own
Speaker 2: soaps and sell them on our Instagram. You know, it's
Speaker 2: like a coffee shop, really, I mean, and I think
Speaker 2: it's kind of cute. I like them. I'm sticking by it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what's going to happen, but I
Speaker 1: like her. I think she's a good person. She deserves
Speaker 1: better than all of this socality.
Speaker 2: Shit. Well, I'm gonna I'm going to leave us. You
Speaker 2: left us on a nice note, but I'm going to
Speaker 2: leave us on a less a less positive note. But
Speaker 2: I think it's something that we all need to know about,
Speaker 2: and that is we of Sarper and we're worried about
Speaker 2: Chakaina and Chakaina about her. What I had a weird
Speaker 2: dream about China that we were really good friends. Oh well,
Speaker 2: that's neither your support because Chakaina, her last name is Garner,
Speaker 2: shocked her followers this week after posting an emotional Instagram
Speaker 2: reel showing herself shaving her head completely bald, a moment
Speaker 2: she described as freeing after years of struggling with hair
Speaker 2: loss and wearing wigs daily. Okay, so then there's her
Speaker 2: well yes, yes, but or yes And in her caption,
Speaker 2: she kind of explained that she was tired of watching
Speaker 2: her hair fall out in handfuls and letting it consume
Speaker 2: her mentally, so she removed all the color and shaved
Speaker 2: it off to reclaim her confidence. She wrote that she
Speaker 2: wanted to feel free from feeling like my hair had
Speaker 2: anything to do with my beauty, a vulnerable admission that
Speaker 2: immediately resonated with fans, especially after everything she she's been
Speaker 2: dealing with publicly over the last few months. And that
Speaker 2: is that this drastic transformation comes on the heels of
Speaker 2: a messy and very public split from Sarper. Did you
Speaker 2: know that whose explosive reaction to her social media activity
Speaker 2: recently went viral. Their marriage had already been crumbling under
Speaker 2: the pressure of reality TV exposure, online trolling, and constant criticism,
Speaker 2: but the final blow came when fans sent Sarper screenshots
Speaker 2: of Chicaina's comments about another cast member. He allegedly lashed out,
Speaker 2: calling her names, demanding she remove his family name, and
Speaker 2: accusing her of humiliating him. The relationship had long been
Speaker 2: labeled toxic by viewers, and Chicaina herself admitted that the
Speaker 2: show worsened her body dysmorphia, made her a target for bullying,
Speaker 2: and destroyed the stability of her marriage, and she says
Speaker 2: the divorce, combined with NonStop online harassment, pushed her to
Speaker 2: publicly announce she would never return to the Ninety Day
Speaker 2: Fiance franchise again.
Speaker 1: I think that's a wise choice. Sorry to see them go.
Speaker 1: They were ridiculous. We did not enjoy watching them. The
Speaker 1: only reason we turned changed our mind on Starper is
Speaker 1: because Stephanie hired him to make me a cameo for
Speaker 1: my birthday and it was very good. Yeah, we were like,
Speaker 1: I guess we like him, but I'm team Shakaina. I
Speaker 1: didn't like especially either of them. And listen, she was
Speaker 1: in our lives for a long time on the show.
Speaker 1: But I'm proud of her for taking a little bit
Speaker 1: of her power back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, taking a break from the I mean, reality TV
Speaker 2: is pretty toxic except for Ashley. All Right, you guys, yeah,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for being here.
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