Speaker 1: Hi, mister Jonathan Steinman, and I grew up in Marine County,
Speaker 1: where Fred lives. Currently, I spend most of my time
Speaker 1: between Bridgeton and Cape Elizabeth, Maine, and I'm a member
Speaker 1: of Lake Cheeser Country Club in Level, Maine. A Donald
Speaker 1: Rossporus celebrated gets one hundred and second year. This is
Speaker 1: Golf Smarter episode number one thousand and four.
Speaker 2: A lot of people haven't experienced, Hey, let's try a
Speaker 2: little lighter, let's try a little heavier, let's try a
Speaker 2: little longer, let's try a little shorter, and they're surprised
Speaker 2: sometimes to go it's interesting. I actually like a lighter
Speaker 2: swingweight and a shorter iron feels more consistent and I
Speaker 2: don't lose any speed. So more than anything, sitting so
Speaker 2: important because you can just try different things and tinker
Speaker 2: and get to understand all the things that can be
Speaker 2: changed in the equipment and what they're doing. Whether it's
Speaker 2: so look the wildcast out like we said, it makes
Speaker 2: golf easier.
Speaker 3: Unlocking the secrets of PXG's new Wildcats set for beginners
Speaker 3: with Kayleb Crowloff is Golf Smarter sharing stories, tips and
Speaker 3: insights from great golf minds. To help you lower your
Speaker 3: score and raise your golf IQ.
Speaker 2: Here's your host, Fred Green.
Speaker 4: Welcome to the Golf Smarter podcast. Caleb, Hello, Fred, You
Speaker 4: doing well today?
Speaker 2: I'm doing well. How are you?
Speaker 4: I'm fine? Thank you.
Speaker 3: Wanting to talk about this? So I have recently in
Speaker 3: the audience is well aware of this. I've recently become
Speaker 3: a PXG fan playing the full set, and well not
Speaker 3: the full set. I'm still waiting on wedges and I'm
Speaker 3: curious about the wedges. I haven't gotten there yet, but.
Speaker 4: We can do that.
Speaker 3: But now, PXG what we're going to talk about today
Speaker 3: is introducing a new set for a whole different breed
Speaker 3: of golfer, which I find absolutely fascinating and want to
Speaker 3: talk about that. It's the wild Cat Set. Can you
Speaker 3: explain what the Wildcat PXG or the PXG Wildcat Set is?
Speaker 2: Absolutely so. The Wildcat Set is a set of PXG
Speaker 2: clubs designed more for entry level beginner players or players
Speaker 2: with more geared towards slower swing speeds. So the whole
Speaker 2: idea behind the Wildcat Set is to make golf fun,
Speaker 2: make it easy. Golfs plenty hard as it is, but
Speaker 2: we want, we want players, especially those who struggle more
Speaker 2: because it's you know, whether they're just don't hit it
Speaker 2: quite as far or quite as high, or new to
Speaker 2: the game in the proper setup. Traditionally, those players don't
Speaker 2: don't get fit, don't get the right set up for them.
Speaker 2: So we want to do everything we can to make
Speaker 2: golf enjoyable and make it fun.
Speaker 4: Do you need to be fit for this set?
Speaker 2: No, you don't need to be fit. We recommend alwayskind
Speaker 2: of going through it at least a phone call. We're
Speaker 2: able to you know, get through to our fitters on
Speaker 2: our team that work well over the phone, are able
Speaker 2: to walk through even if it's someone who doesn't know
Speaker 2: a lot about golf, is new to the game, and
Speaker 2: say you're this tall, you know, you're around this age range,
Speaker 2: and make a pretty good recommendation. So you don't need
Speaker 2: to go in and get fit. You can, and I
Speaker 2: always highly recommend it. We design golf clubs to be
Speaker 2: fit around here. It's it's you know, to the player's
Speaker 2: benefit always. But if you if you aren't able to
Speaker 2: make it in or for some reason you know, aren't
Speaker 2: comfortable doing that, we're able to help over the phone
Speaker 2: quite a bit. Or you can go through online and
Speaker 2: order as well.
Speaker 3: In my many conversations with listeners throughout the years, a
Speaker 3: lot of people are.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, I'm kind of new to the game.
Speaker 3: And I just don't feel like I'm ready to get
Speaker 3: fit because my swing isn't there yet. And I have
Speaker 3: to remind them that. But you're no matter how good
Speaker 3: you get, your swing may never be what you wanted
Speaker 3: to be, right, So they're resistant to get fit. And
Speaker 3: we've advocated for years to get fit for clubs because
Speaker 3: it's just going to make you better immediately.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah, that's one of those things. You know, I
Speaker 2: hear it all the time. I get a lot of
Speaker 2: people talking to me at social gatherings who you know,
Speaker 2: who go, oh, like, you have an interesting job work
Speaker 2: in the golf industry, and then they'll say, yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't need to get fit, I'm not that good, or
Speaker 2: I don't play enough. And you know, every tour player
Speaker 2: gets fit. And the thing is the tour players they
Speaker 2: could pick up a box set and go shoot sixty
Speaker 2: five on any given day. They can adjust to it.
Speaker 2: You know, I have played my whole life and nowhere
Speaker 2: near that level. But even you know, as a single
Speaker 2: digit it's harder for me to adjust to equipment when
Speaker 2: it's not fit right for me. And it's if it's
Speaker 2: you know, too long or the wrongly angle or the
Speaker 2: wrong fluck shafts, wrong weight, it's just making it harder.
Speaker 2: Like there's no reason not to get fit.
Speaker 4: Right right.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and usually fittings, Well, let me ask you this way,
Speaker 3: is there a cost to be fit for this set? Uh?
Speaker 2: Yes, So the way our fitting system works are generally
Speaker 2: are there's a cost to get fit, but it'll get
Speaker 2: applied towards purchases, so oh great. So yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: if you're if you're gonna buy a set, I think
Speaker 2: it's absolutely the way to do it.
Speaker 4: Absolutely. There.
Speaker 3: The set itself is unique in the sense that, again
Speaker 3: you're looking at new golfers, golfers that are struggling buying
Speaker 3: youth clubs. What about the senior golfer that is just
Speaker 3: and you hear it all the time. I'm just not
Speaker 3: hitting it as far as I used to.
Speaker 4: I just can't.
Speaker 3: You know, I can't carry the bag anymore. It's getting
Speaker 3: too heavy. You know, there's a lot of senior golfers
Speaker 3: who still love to play, have been playing, have had
Speaker 3: you know, at various levels of their game, but now
Speaker 3: the swing speed, the body is just not holding up.
Speaker 3: Is this the kind of set that would work for
Speaker 3: senior golfers as well?
Speaker 2: Certainly for some I used. My dad is a good example.
Speaker 2: He's played golf my whole life. He you know, got
Speaker 2: more into it when my brothers and I started playing.
Speaker 2: But you know, he he used to hit it really far,
Speaker 2: and he's gotten up there in age and has slowed
Speaker 2: down and had to go to lighter shafts. You know,
Speaker 2: graph fight with lighter flexes and he needs more loft
Speaker 2: and you know, a lot of even game improvement irons
Speaker 2: these days are geared towards distance, and you know, for
Speaker 2: players who struggle to hit it higher, this is a
Speaker 2: great option. So it's not necessarily just I'm a new
Speaker 2: entrant to the game or I had don't play very much.
Speaker 2: But you know, if it's the right fit for you,
Speaker 2: it's the right fit. And you know, it just mainly
Speaker 2: for players who struggle to hit it high, and a
Speaker 2: lot of the times that is slower swingers at the
Speaker 2: golf club.
Speaker 3: Why do I think that I'm older and your dad do?
Speaker 2: Do?
Speaker 4: Has he played this set?
Speaker 2: Has your dad yet? But we'll see. Is a birthday
Speaker 2: coming up?
Speaker 4: So have you talked to him about it? Is he
Speaker 4: open time a little bit?
Speaker 2: We talk. He likes to talk shop every once in
Speaker 2: a while, and he knows talking about golf clubs is
Speaker 2: my favorite subject. So certainly whenever he has a question,
Speaker 2: comes to me and we talk through specs and options,
Speaker 2: and you know, I think sometimes it's kind of fun too.
Speaker 2: Has more of a like my kind of connect to
Speaker 2: the outside world of more of a a lay person
Speaker 2: when it comes to golf equipment. I think sometimes my
Speaker 2: understanding of what the general public knows about golf clubs
Speaker 2: can get skewed by being surrounded by people who are
Speaker 2: very passionate and have an in depth knowledge of golf equipment. So,
Speaker 2: you know, whether it's my parents, my in laws, my brothers,
Speaker 2: my friends, it's fun to hear from them and talk
Speaker 2: through like what they know, what they don't know? Should
Speaker 2: I get fit? Can I adjust things? All that sort
Speaker 2: of stuff. But it's fun to talk to him about
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. And I think he's definitely always
Speaker 2: excited to try the latest and greatest.
Speaker 4: And is he playing any PXG clubs? Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's playing PXG stuff.
Speaker 4: He and your brothers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, both my brothers are. I've been here for about
Speaker 2: coming up on ten years now, so.
Speaker 4: Oh is that right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think at this point it'd be I'd
Speaker 2: be a little consulted, weren't Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that happened to me once. I was doing
Speaker 3: work with Anheuser Busch for years back.
Speaker 4: In the eighties and nineties.
Speaker 3: But I got a call from Saint Louis one day
Speaker 3: with my contact and he goes, so, what are you
Speaker 3: up to? And I said, I'm just sitting here drinking
Speaker 3: a beer. He said what are you drinking? And I
Speaker 3: said a corona dead silence on the phone.
Speaker 4: It was like, oops, that was the wrong answer.
Speaker 3: Well, we're going to get more into your journey too
Speaker 3: about how you got there. But there is competition kind
Speaker 3: of for what this Wildcat set is. Styx has an
Speaker 3: entry level set of clubs that's very good looking, nice bag,
Speaker 3: you know, for people who are just getting started, and
Speaker 3: one something that looks a little bit nicer than just
Speaker 3: normal set of clubs. Even Costco has a phenomenal set
Speaker 3: that is not expensive. But I don't see that happening
Speaker 3: with a lot of the major brands like PXG, is
Speaker 3: what made you guys decide that this is a portion
Speaker 3: of the market you wanted to attack.
Speaker 2: Well, I think a lot of it comes from mister
Speaker 2: Parsons and is kind of experience in the game. He
Speaker 2: sees people struggle, and you know, it's funny when he
Speaker 2: comes in, whether it's some new blade or a new driver,
Speaker 2: he's we're we're working on something in engineering, and you know,
Speaker 2: he's trying to get prototypes out to his buddies the
Speaker 2: next day and telling tour players you have to try this,
Speaker 2: and we're like, slow down, we need to do some
Speaker 2: testing first. So he's he wants to get help people
Speaker 2: and enjoy golf, and I think it's something that he
Speaker 2: cares quite a bit about. And then just our customer base.
Speaker 2: You know, we have the advantage of interfacing with our
Speaker 2: customers quite a bit because of our retail locations. You know,
Speaker 2: our fitters talk one on one with them and we
Speaker 2: get to hear that feedback of what they're looking for.
Speaker 2: And a lot of the times our customers are saying, hey,
Speaker 2: this is great, but do you have anything for my
Speaker 2: you know, high school age kid or my you know,
Speaker 2: retired parent who is trying to pick up golf or
Speaker 2: my wife or my husband or whatever it is. So
Speaker 2: I think I think, you know, all of that feedback
Speaker 2: is so valuable, and that connection and relationship with our
Speaker 2: customer allows us to kind of hear and understand and
Speaker 2: you know, do a more entry level set, but do
Speaker 2: it in our way that that is custom fit and
Speaker 2: that is filled with technology. And you know, I think
Speaker 2: the Irons and the Wildcats that are a great example
Speaker 2: of a lot of that technology exists in our mainline
Speaker 2: flagship products. You know, it's our hollow body filled technology.
Speaker 2: So it's a very very high performance, technology packed product
Speaker 2: for entry level players, which I think is really cool
Speaker 2: and really unique.
Speaker 3: A minute ago you mentioned that it's filled with technology.
Speaker 3: How is it that you're able to deliver a set
Speaker 3: like this that has all that PSG technology behind and
Speaker 3: make it affordable one person who's not necessarily into it
Speaker 3: just yet, or you know, they're not sure of their commitment.
Speaker 2: Well, I think part of it is. So it's a
Speaker 2: nine piece set, and that's something that for beginners. You know,
Speaker 2: the first thing my mom picked up golf in the
Speaker 2: last couple of years. The first thing she calls me
Speaker 2: all the time just to ask questions about when do
Speaker 2: I use this club here, when do I use this
Speaker 2: club here? And it's confusing, and if anything, the beginners
Speaker 2: really don't need that many clubs. You know, fourteen clubs
Speaker 2: is great if you are very serious golfer looking to
Speaker 2: take advantage of and play better golf, but realistically your
Speaker 2: gaps are smaller. If you're a slower swinger, you don't
Speaker 2: necessarily use multiple wedges in the same way a more
Speaker 2: avid golfer would. So first of all, nine pieces really
Speaker 2: is a great way to get into it at a
Speaker 2: more reasonable price point. And then the other part is
Speaker 2: just kind of deciding what technologies, uh make sense for
Speaker 2: this player and not adding things in that don't help. So,
Speaker 2: you know, we have certain technologies that at an advanced
Speaker 2: level are really important, and you know, add to the
Speaker 2: fine tuning adjustment like our weighting system and our flagship
Speaker 2: products is great. It adds a lot of value to
Speaker 2: that player. At an entry level, it's an expensive technology
Speaker 2: to add into clubs, and you know, isn't really going
Speaker 2: to be as important to that player as getting the
Speaker 2: right length, getting the right club head, and getting an
Speaker 2: overall performing quality product. So I mean choosing the technology
Speaker 2: and then also the trickle down of that where the
Speaker 2: R and D costs. The development is already done in
Speaker 2: previous generations, and it's something we can then apply in
Speaker 2: to to all models.
Speaker 3: I think it's a fascinating idea using a nine piece
Speaker 3: set because you know the goal for every golfer, and
Speaker 3: one of the things they are the first things you
Speaker 3: have to learn when you're starting to play golf is
Speaker 3: how far you hit each club. But if you're new
Speaker 3: to it and you're not really sure, you don't need
Speaker 3: you know accuracy in that sense.
Speaker 2: We all know the person that pulls their seven iron
Speaker 2: from everywhere and they hit the only right.
Speaker 4: Yes, we do. We play with them regularly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then there's the people who are like, I'm
Speaker 3: allergic to my seven iron.
Speaker 4: Oh god, what am I going to do?
Speaker 2: So what.
Speaker 3: Is the nine piece set? Let's break it down piece
Speaker 3: by piece.
Speaker 2: So it's available as a full set or individual clubs
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, let's talk about the nine piece set.
Speaker 2: So it's a driver a fairway would which is a
Speaker 2: five W And then.
Speaker 3: Let's let's stop a driver first, cause we're going to
Speaker 3: go over each club. What's unique about this driver for
Speaker 3: the nine piece set.
Speaker 2: I would say this driver compared to any anything else
Speaker 2: available in our line, it is significantly more loft. So
Speaker 2: it is sixteen degrees aloft, whoa players hit it high.
Speaker 2: And it also has a large face. So the design
Speaker 2: is you know, we talk a lot about forgiveness in golf,
Speaker 2: and when you're early on in golf, you know, it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter how high the MOI is if you don't
Speaker 2: catch it on the face. So you know, we try
Speaker 2: to maximize the face size to the best of our ability.
Speaker 2: So it is a really large faced driver.
Speaker 3: That's interesting because I know that people struggle more with
Speaker 3: the ball that may just trickle off and you know,
Speaker 3: like bowling ball just roll down the fairway. But if
Speaker 3: they get it in the air, it really doesn't matter
Speaker 3: how far they hit it. If they get it in
Speaker 3: the air and their new golf they're very excited. So
Speaker 3: after sixteen degrees of loft, we'll get the ball in
Speaker 3: the air. Absolutely interesting. Interesting, all right, And when you
Speaker 3: said it's got a very large face, it does meet
Speaker 3: the specifications.
Speaker 2: It is according to the USGA rules, so it is
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 4: Not the size of a fry pan, no, but it.
Speaker 2: Is within the rules. Relative to other drivers. A lot
Speaker 2: of the times we you know, manipulate that shape, whether
Speaker 2: it's for aerodynamics for you know, adjusting the characteristics for
Speaker 2: launch and spin, doing things to make it, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: for aesthetics, to make it look. What a better player
Speaker 2: prefers this is it is a bigger hitting surface, which
Speaker 2: I think most players at this level appreciate.
Speaker 4: I agree with you one.
Speaker 3: All right, now let's move on pastifer and what's next.
Speaker 2: No fairy wood. So again with the nine piece set,
Speaker 2: you're not going to have multiple fairy woods. Our experience
Speaker 2: has been you know, we have customers, even people who've
Speaker 2: played golf for a long time that are you say,
Speaker 2: a fifteen handicap, come in fit or ask them when
Speaker 2: do you hit your fariywood? Do you tend to hit
Speaker 2: it off the deck? Do you tend to hit it
Speaker 2: off the tee? And they say, I don't. It's scary club,
Speaker 2: So you just don't hit it. Just they just don't
Speaker 2: hit it. They sip in the bag because you're supposed
Speaker 2: to have a fairy wood and usually three three with
Speaker 2: are hard to hit, so we went straight to a
Speaker 2: five wood again. Part of that is the more loft
Speaker 2: aspect of it. It's easier to hit in the air.
Speaker 2: A little shorter just overall a little more comfortable to hit.
Speaker 2: And it's again kind of that bigger profile, bigger design.
Speaker 2: Weight is far back and low. The whole goal is
Speaker 2: make it easy to make contact and to hit it high.
Speaker 5: Yeah, when you say it's shorter, the overall length of
Speaker 5: the club on our on all the woods are actually
Speaker 5: a little bit shorter than our standard.
Speaker 2: Uh, it's back talking about the shaft for talking about
Speaker 2: shaft length.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: That's and that's where when it comes to woods especially,
Speaker 2: you know, drivers have gotten longer over time, and it's
Speaker 2: so that people can hit them farther, and you know,
Speaker 2: shaft technologies come a long way. Those things allow us
Speaker 2: to do that. Uh. But also you know, when it
Speaker 2: comes to a beginner or or someone who maybe doesn't
Speaker 2: hit it that far, they're not going to pick up
Speaker 2: a whole lot of distance by having an extra inch
Speaker 2: on the long length of their driver half into the
Speaker 2: length of their driver. They'll pick up a decent amount
Speaker 2: of consistency by going shorter. So we want to kind
Speaker 2: of push people in the proper direction or guide them
Speaker 2: to to what's best for them in terms of maybe
Speaker 2: not max distance when you hit it perfectly, but your
Speaker 2: average distance and enjoyment to the game.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: So I've talked to many club fitters and club builders
Speaker 3: and they talk about, you know, we're going to put
Speaker 3: you in a shaft that's about an inch shorter than
Speaker 3: what is the standard for a driver, let's say, because
Speaker 3: you're going to have more control. You know, Yeah, a
Speaker 3: longer driver the standard size is going to get you
Speaker 3: more distance but less control. So your dispersion with a
Speaker 3: shorter shaft is going to be less and that's what
Speaker 3: you want, absolutely, and that's what you're doing here, a
Speaker 3: little bit shorter on the shaft.
Speaker 4: But again, what's the loft on the five wood?
Speaker 2: The five wood is at oh testing me on my
Speaker 2: specs here?
Speaker 4: Oh oh, through them a curveball you did?
Speaker 2: The driver.
Speaker 4: Is sixteen degrees?
Speaker 2: Is sixteen and then the fairway would so compared to
Speaker 2: a standard five wood, we have at eighteen. This I
Speaker 2: believe is a little bit more. It is at a.
Speaker 4: Two. Should we be playing the Jeopardy theme.
Speaker 2: I'd be out of time already. Huh So it's at nineteen, uh,
Speaker 2: nineteen degrees. Sorry to do that to you, no, that's
Speaker 2: all right. Job and the kind of things that I
Speaker 2: try to keep track of and and sometimes it's, you know,
Speaker 2: too many numbers running through my head all at once.
Speaker 2: But so nineteen degrees aloft designed to again be higher.
Speaker 2: It's not a uh like crazy high loft for a
Speaker 2: fairy wood, but uh it is kind of for the
Speaker 2: being the only fairway in the bag. We want to
Speaker 2: make sure, you know, if a beginner shows up with
Speaker 2: a three wood that's you know, fifteen degrees, it's going
Speaker 2: to be so hard to hit, it so hard to
Speaker 2: hit in the air, and they'll just never be comfortable
Speaker 2: with it. So it's certainly designed to go up in
Speaker 2: the air.
Speaker 3: Are you familiar with the name Jesse Ortiz from the
Speaker 3: club fitter from it was originally or Lamar had started
Speaker 3: or Lamar. So he's a great club fitter, worked for
Speaker 3: many different companies. I had a fitting with him and
Speaker 3: I told him I wanted a three wood, and he goes.
Speaker 4: All right, what we're gonna do.
Speaker 3: So we're going to give you a four wood and
Speaker 3: you can tell people it's a three wood because so
Speaker 3: many people struggle to get a three wood off the
Speaker 3: deck YEP and a four wood's going to help. So
Speaker 3: a five wood's going to definitely make it.
Speaker 4: A bit easier.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And some people, you know, tour players carry five
Speaker 2: woods and three woods because they're looking to hit specific
Speaker 2: distance gaps, and you know, they find fairy wood's easier
Speaker 2: to hit high in the air than some hybrids that
Speaker 2: are overofted. And you know, it's it's a common club
Speaker 2: to be used. And again, just like we said earlier
Speaker 2: with the nine piece set, players who are new to
Speaker 2: the game generally don't have a big enough discrepancy and
Speaker 2: distance from one to another fill that gap so or
Speaker 2: to need that extra club to fill a gap. So
Speaker 2: I think five wood sets them up as something that
Speaker 2: they can use as a t club and be comfortable
Speaker 2: hitting off the deck as well.
Speaker 3: Okay, out of that nine piece set, we've gone through
Speaker 3: driver in a fair way, would I'm guessing our next
Speaker 3: stop is a hybrid?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 4: So you guess.
Speaker 2: So there's one hybrid in the set. It's a twenty
Speaker 2: eight degree six hybrid.
Speaker 4: So it replaces a six iron, yes.
Speaker 2: So, and this is something that going back to you know,
Speaker 2: the questions beginners ask and how complicated golf clubs can
Speaker 2: be when you've been playing them forever. It seems straightforward,
Speaker 2: but explaining to a beginner the idea that you're you know, hey,
Speaker 2: as the number on your irons go down, it's a
Speaker 2: longer club. It's going to go farther. Okay, we got that.
Speaker 2: When you start adding in you know, faaraway woods and
Speaker 2: hybrids that have different sets of numbers, and the farawoods
Speaker 2: go higher than the irons and the hybrids are in between,
Speaker 2: it can be complicated. So that's one of those things
Speaker 2: we wanted to do to keep it simple.
Speaker 3: So we've been through the driver and the faraway wood.
Speaker 3: My next guess is we're going to a hybrid in
Speaker 3: the set.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's correct. So the next club in the set
Speaker 2: is going to be a six hybrid at twenty eight
Speaker 2: degrees aloft. So the idea of going directly to a
Speaker 2: six hybrid we really wanted to. It goes back to
Speaker 2: the idea of set compositions kind of complicated. If you're
Speaker 2: new to the nomenclature and all of the verbiage of
Speaker 2: the Gulf world, you know that, Okay, as your irons
Speaker 2: go down in number, they go farther, they get longer,
Speaker 2: all right, And then hybrids fit between there, and then
Speaker 2: there's fairy woods, and you know, having a three wood,
Speaker 2: a three hybrid and a three iron, or I guess
Speaker 2: you could say a five wood of five hybrid and
Speaker 2: a five iron. People get confused. So we wanted to
Speaker 2: go directly from your five wood and then use your
Speaker 2: six hybrid and it goes to a seven iron. So
Speaker 2: keep it as simple as possible, you know, straightforward. People
Speaker 2: understand kind of sticks with that idea of as the
Speaker 2: number goes down, that's going to be a longer club
Speaker 2: that goes farther, so twenty eight degrees of loft. It's
Speaker 2: a sort of a six iron replacement, a little longer
Speaker 2: than a six iron to help promote get up in
Speaker 2: the air, high lofted club and then just an overall
Speaker 2: bigger head than an iron. So it's going to produce
Speaker 2: more forgiveness, more speed across the face, just sort of
Speaker 2: more friendly than a long iron.
Speaker 3: Is yeah, absolutely, you know. It's what's sounding really interesting
Speaker 3: about this is my wife really doesn't play golf. She
Speaker 3: has a set that we bought years ago that a
Speaker 3: full set is an inexpensive set, and she just it's
Speaker 3: too frustrating for her. This is the kind of set
Speaker 3: that would make her go, oh, I can do this.
Speaker 3: I'll play nine holes with you.
Speaker 2: That was absolutely our goal. So I hope that is
Speaker 2: the case.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, great, great, No, she doesn't have a birthday coming,
Speaker 3: all right, So now I guess that hybrid cuts through
Speaker 3: the rough like butter too, right, Yeah, that's the point
Speaker 3: of That's why they called it a rescue club initially,
Speaker 3: but that was a patent in name.
Speaker 2: But it's a hybrid, yeah, a little bit bigger of
Speaker 2: a club, easier to get kind of down on the ball.
Speaker 2: I think so much of golf equipment is when it
Speaker 2: comes to designing product is sort of shaping and know
Speaker 2: how on our end to help make sure that stuff,
Speaker 2: you know, turf interaction the ball, or how the club
Speaker 2: goes through the rough. Those are sort of not the
Speaker 2: front and center technologies these days because you know, it's
Speaker 2: it's something that's been around and it's not maybe the
Speaker 2: sexiest thing to talk about, but it's so important to
Speaker 2: making sure clubs, souls and designs are created in a
Speaker 2: way that make it easy for a player to get
Speaker 2: through that it doesn't dig into the ground that it,
Speaker 2: you know, gets through the rough. Okay, So I think
Speaker 2: that's one of the key features of you know, we
Speaker 2: make product for players on tour at you know, high
Speaker 2: level amateurs, for everyday golfers, for beginners. You know, we're
Speaker 2: we're putting that same level of detail into you know,
Speaker 2: all of the shaping. It's not just you know, hey,
Speaker 2: let's get this design quick out the door, you know,
Speaker 2: made by someone who's maybe never designed a set of
Speaker 2: clubs before, and just scale them down based on a picture.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's really more than you know, the
Speaker 2: box sets that are out there. It's it's designed to
Speaker 2: perform in that way.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if we've learned anything over the years and watching
Speaker 3: golf on television especially, that really dictates sales what we
Speaker 3: see on TV. And I do see a lot of
Speaker 3: players on the tour that are wearing PXG clothing and
Speaker 3: even carrying PXG bags. But you do are they also
Speaker 3: playing are they just as PXG just marketing you know,
Speaker 3: the logo for these guys to wear it on tour?
Speaker 4: Are they playing these clubs?
Speaker 2: They're they're playing our clubs. So you know, we have
Speaker 2: nine players on the PGA Tour right now that play,
Speaker 2: you know, wear our hat carra Bag and Carrie. I
Speaker 2: believe all of them are at least eight clubs, so
Speaker 2: generally irons and wedges, and then a mix of some potters,
Speaker 2: some drivers, some fairy woods. Uh, you know, some of
Speaker 2: them play all fourteen clubs, some of them don't. There's
Speaker 2: there's a mix in there. But but we've you know,
Speaker 2: it's a resource for us. We get a lot of
Speaker 2: great feedback from them in terms of our ability to
Speaker 2: work with them design and improve, So I think that's
Speaker 2: really helpful. It is important to mention the players. You know,
Speaker 2: the equipment that they play is not it's not different
Speaker 2: than what's available for consumers necessarily, but it's not necessarily
Speaker 2: what's best for your average player. You know, Jake Knapp
Speaker 2: is our tour staff and he can swing a driver
Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty miles an hour, and what he
Speaker 2: needs in his clubs is very, very different than what
Speaker 2: I need, than what you know, my wife needs and
Speaker 2: what our parents need. It's just, you know, it's not
Speaker 2: the same thing. Most players on tour are using blades
Speaker 2: because they like the way they go through the rough,
Speaker 2: they like the look of it from top down, and
Speaker 2: they like the player because they can hit them because
Speaker 2: they can hit them. They hit you know, it's not time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So I mean those are the kind of things where
Speaker 2: those guys are so good they can play all sorts
Speaker 2: of different things. You know, there's a lot of players
Speaker 2: playing a lot of different clubs and the PGA Tour.
Speaker 3: Do you know that if you guys sign a player
Speaker 3: for the PGA Tour, if there's a verbiage in the
Speaker 3: contract that says you have to play at least X
Speaker 3: amount of PHG clubs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, generally, generally there's It's not I Do'm not intimately
Speaker 2: familiar with you know, how our contracts are written. Sure,
Speaker 2: not my area, but generally yeah, I think you know,
Speaker 2: anyone wearing our hat and our carrying our bag is
Speaker 2: is asked to play at least a min own number
Speaker 2: as part of the contract. But most of our players
Speaker 2: are playing more than that. So it's it's something where
Speaker 2: you know, it's a it's you know, a partnership in
Speaker 2: a way where part of it is when we work
Speaker 2: with them. You know, we have our guys that are
Speaker 2: on our staff or our reps for that go out
Speaker 2: there on tour and work with our players and our
Speaker 2: our fitters for the tour players effectively and they build
Speaker 2: great relationship with the players. You know, they do an
Speaker 2: amazing job. They know their games sometimes better than the
Speaker 2: tour players do. But uh, you know, they're they're there
Speaker 2: to help them through. Hey we have this coming that
Speaker 2: I think would help you, or if we have a
Speaker 2: new you know, product that's coming to go that that
Speaker 2: one's not for you to stick with. What you're doing
Speaker 2: is working good. So I think a lot of it
Speaker 2: is the relationship as well, but they you know, there
Speaker 2: it's fun to have our Sometimes our tour players are
Speaker 2: excited when they see new products, and I'm excited to
Speaker 2: go watch them test, and you know, it certainly helps
Speaker 2: us to design at a higher level and just to learn.
Speaker 2: You know, the way they evaluated and decide if equipment
Speaker 2: is good is different than you know, our robot testing
Speaker 2: or how we evaluate it. They're they're looking at shots
Speaker 2: I've never thought about. So it's it's kind of cool
Speaker 2: to to pick their brains and see how they think
Speaker 2: when they are evaluating if something's you know, or for them.
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely so we mentioned hitting blades. I got to
Speaker 3: believe that this wildcat set the irons, which are assuming
Speaker 3: you're seven eight nine on your irons, those are probably
Speaker 3: cavity back clubs.
Speaker 2: So yes and no. So it's an interesting thing. Where
Speaker 2: So because of our product, the way our products designed,
Speaker 2: it's a hollow body, so we're creating a hollow body
Speaker 2: and then we weld on a face. So what it
Speaker 2: is is it's a cast body without a face on it.
Speaker 2: We weld on the face and it creates this large
Speaker 2: hollow club and then we fill it with material with
Speaker 2: We call it our x Core two, something we had
Speaker 2: in our flagship irons and previous generations, and it is
Speaker 2: basically allowing the face to flex, but also a lot
Speaker 2: lighter so it moves weight to the perimeter and supporting
Speaker 2: the face so that it doesn't break. So it's kind
Speaker 2: of our key technology, and I think what we're best
Speaker 2: known for is that filled hollow body design. We have
Speaker 2: what I would call cavity back in the Wildcat irons,
Speaker 2: but it's actually filled with a an insert that's a
Speaker 2: lightweight insert there, so it kind of has a more flush,
Speaker 2: kind of sleek design, and I think it looks really
Speaker 2: really good, provides really great feel compared to you know,
Speaker 2: with cavity backs and bigger clubs. A lot of the times,
Speaker 2: our concern is we want to make sure it looks good.
Speaker 2: We want to make sure it feels good because especially
Speaker 2: beginner sets, larger oversized clubs, they can you know, have
Speaker 2: a bad feel to them, you know, like that's what
Speaker 2: some players like about blades or smaller clubs is they
Speaker 2: feel more solid when you hit them good. And you know,
Speaker 2: we we take so much pride in kind of PXG
Speaker 2: having its own specific feel and it being different than
Speaker 2: what's out there in the industry that you know, we
Speaker 2: want to make sure even on the Wildcat set, you know,
Speaker 2: it is considered like reaching our level a minimum of
Speaker 2: a you know, great feel and sound. Uh so it
Speaker 2: it isn't. It isn't to cavity back. It's a little
Speaker 2: bit more different to a construction.
Speaker 4: Interesting, that's unique.
Speaker 2: Hmmm.
Speaker 3: And I'm playing the three eleven's three eleven Yeah right
Speaker 3: XB And is that the filled hollow body design as well,
Speaker 3: or so it's our same design as your main clubs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so are our flagship Uh you know Gen seven
Speaker 2: irons are a forged body. We have a face that's
Speaker 2: weeled on and then it's filled with a polymer as well,
Speaker 2: and so it's a very at the overall construction is
Speaker 2: the same. So that's that's where I'm saying. The Wildcats
Speaker 2: have a lot more technology in them than any other
Speaker 2: beginner set out there that I know of. They're they're
Speaker 2: really designed to to promote that great sound and feel
Speaker 2: as well as a lot of forgiveness and just you know,
Speaker 2: be a really high performing product for that player.
Speaker 3: Now this set, there's three clubs left in this nine
Speaker 3: piece set. We've been through driver, Fairaway, Wood Hybrid, the
Speaker 3: three iron, seven, eight, nine, and some wedge makers consider
Speaker 3: a nine like a wedge that you have two wedges
Speaker 3: and the putter left.
Speaker 2: Yes, so we have a so a pitching wedge and
Speaker 2: a sand wedge, and those are the same constructions as
Speaker 2: the irons, So you know, I personally consider them part
Speaker 2: of the iron set. Okay, but where wedges have just
Speaker 2: just like the hybrid faraway would concept, wedges have gotten complicated,
Speaker 2: especially two players who are new to the game, you know,
Speaker 2: having a lob wedge of sand wedge and a gap
Speaker 2: wedge and a pitching wedge, it's confusing when when do
Speaker 2: I hit what from where? You know, they probably don't
Speaker 2: have distance gapping issues around their wedge is.
Speaker 3: And for beginners, the lob wedge is probably the hardest
Speaker 3: club to hit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean beginners are hitting high soft shots and
Speaker 2: they're not trying to open faces. They're you know, trying
Speaker 2: to pitch and chip it onto the green and you know,
Speaker 2: are are happy with that. So I think that's where
Speaker 2: I try to get it to stop exactly. So, you know,
Speaker 2: the the wedges have the same technology as the irons,
Speaker 2: So for full swings with your wedges, you get that
Speaker 2: same level of forgiveness. Uh, the same you know, wide
Speaker 2: soul for great turf interaction to prevent uh you know,
Speaker 2: at the club from digging into the ground. But then
Speaker 2: kind of simplicity and you pitching wedge, you know, and
Speaker 2: then you have your sand wedge that you can use
Speaker 2: for your you know, high soft pitch shots.
Speaker 3: Yeah that makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense. And is
Speaker 3: there a lot of bounce on that sandwich?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a there's a bounce. Is one of those
Speaker 2: funny things where when you when you get into it
Speaker 2: with with people who are too in the know about it,
Speaker 2: we all have our thoughts on how the world sees bounce.
Speaker 2: So it's a really wide soul.
Speaker 3: So is that is that a big debate going on
Speaker 3: when you guys are sitting around a table.
Speaker 2: The designer is going it's more a frustration of people's
Speaker 2: understanding of bounce because clubs are clubs are listed with
Speaker 2: effective bounce generally, so you know, there's bounce angle, which
Speaker 2: is truly the angle the soul like the leading edge
Speaker 2: is making with the ground as like the soul is
Speaker 2: going to you know, the contact point and the soul
Speaker 2: and so on. Some clubs it's listed as you know,
Speaker 2: a really low number, and you can look at a
Speaker 2: wedge and go, I can tell you there's more bounce
Speaker 2: on there than that. And then you can look at
Speaker 2: one that's listed as a really low number because that
Speaker 2: angle is low, but because the soul is so wide,
Speaker 2: it plays effectively like there is more bounce, So we
Speaker 2: like we talk about it in effective bounce of it's
Speaker 2: a combination of multiple aspects of fact, how high off
Speaker 2: the ground the leading edge gets and so on. This set,
Speaker 2: it's designed to be very playable, more bounced, which is
Speaker 2: going to lead to, you know, more forgiveness when it
Speaker 2: comes to you know, you're not when you're chiping, not
Speaker 2: putting the leading edge in the ground helpful in the bunker,
Speaker 2: and that wide soul kind of protects you that beginners
Speaker 2: aren't looking for the versatility generally that you know, better
Speaker 2: players are opening up the face and don't want the
Speaker 2: leading edge to rise up too much, and they're they're
Speaker 2: looking to, you know, try to hit all sorts of
Speaker 2: different shots. Well, most people that would be you know,
Speaker 2: the set is geared towards are looking to make solid
Speaker 2: contact consistently when they chip the ball. So it's designed
Speaker 2: in a kind of a significant amount of bounce, but
Speaker 2: not too much that the leading edges are raising up
Speaker 2: too high that you kind of are going to scoll
Speaker 2: the ball, but with ideal for making consistent contact.
Speaker 4: I would say, great, Great, that's the whole idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, consistency and making it easy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So go back to your chart on your screen.
Speaker 3: The degrees of loft between the seven and the eight,
Speaker 3: the eight and the nine. Is it consistent when we
Speaker 3: get to the pitching in the.
Speaker 2: Sage, Let's see here, So there's about it spreads out
Speaker 2: a little more in the sand and lob wedge, so
Speaker 2: it's five degrees between uh from the seven through nine,
Speaker 2: and then on the wedges it goes to six degree gaps,
Speaker 2: so okay, so not not a huge difference. And it's
Speaker 2: they're designed to be used as full swing clubs as well.
Speaker 2: You know, that's not just these are short game specific
Speaker 2: and so that's for gapping purposes to kind of make
Speaker 2: sure you're covered at all distances and you can learn
Speaker 2: those distances, and then also you know, to make sure
Speaker 2: that they are relatively high. I would say these lofts
Speaker 2: are much more traditional and loft for what I'd say
Speaker 2: compared to you know, a lot of sets these days,
Speaker 2: especially you know, distance geared irons are a lot stronger lofted,
Speaker 2: but these are these lofts are a lot weaker, more
Speaker 2: traditional to help players hit it high in the air.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And then uh, you guys have recently come out with
Speaker 3: the Allen putter, named after mister Parson's brother, and that
Speaker 3: is to put your entry into this zero torque revolution
Speaker 3: that's going on started by lab Golf and having a
Speaker 3: tremendous amount of success, and you guys were one of
Speaker 3: the first companies to come out publicly and say, yeah,
Speaker 3: we've got a zero torque putter, the Allan putter, And
Speaker 3: we can talk more about that, but let's finish off
Speaker 3: this Wildcat set and the putter that you have in
Speaker 3: that bag.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the putter that comes with the Wildcat set,
Speaker 2: it's called the black Hawk. It is a mallet style putter,
Speaker 2: has a long alignment line, has a lot of perimeter waiting.
Speaker 2: So whenever we talk about perimeter waiting and golf, we're
Speaker 2: talking about adding forgiveness and that means on mishits, the
Speaker 2: club wants to stay straight or it doesn't want to
Speaker 2: rotate as much and it doesn't lose as much speed
Speaker 2: off the face, so more consistent on mishits, which as
Speaker 2: a beginner on putting is generally something that's more common
Speaker 2: than with more seasoned players. So it's a very high
Speaker 2: forgiveness model. And then the alignment line is very long
Speaker 2: from front to back. The idea, everything we've done, all
Speaker 2: of our research says longer the alignment line, the easier
Speaker 2: it is to line up. It's really simple. So really
Speaker 2: for that that player type who you know a lot
Speaker 2: of players, there's a lot of blades out there on
Speaker 2: the PGA tour. Certain players just like to look at
Speaker 2: different things. Certain lighter players like small putters, like like
Speaker 2: putters without alignment lines all sorts of things. I guess
Speaker 2: the alignment line that fits your eye, that is the
Speaker 2: longest is the best for you, would be my mind
Speaker 2: or my comment. But for players who don't necessarily have
Speaker 2: a preference yet, who haven't used a blade for years,
Speaker 2: I think the easiest thing to line up is going
Speaker 2: to be a nice, big, long line. So there's a
Speaker 2: lot of perimeter waving. And then the other nice feature
Speaker 2: on the bottom of these there's a ball pickup pocket,
Speaker 2: which is kind of nice for a mallet to the pails.
Speaker 2: Now they pick it right up, move on. So uh,
Speaker 2: it's a it's a fun thing that I personally really enjoy.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of players who who don't want a
Speaker 2: putter that can't pick up a ball, and there's it's
Speaker 2: it's something that that's certainly nice to have. And it's
Speaker 2: right in the center of the club where we're trying
Speaker 2: to remove mass from anyway, so it's a great spot
Speaker 2: to you know, take mass out and provide that as well.
Speaker 3: All right, Caleb, Uh, just love the concept that you
Speaker 3: guys got going with the Wildcat set and who it's
Speaker 3: for and who it's directed to. But I want to
Speaker 3: I want to make a little bit of a left
Speaker 3: turn here, because there's another new club that you guys
Speaker 3: have recently announced that really has my interest.
Speaker 4: Not that I don't love my p XG Driver, I
Speaker 4: do like it.
Speaker 3: I still get my friends going WHOA when I when
Speaker 3: I hit one nicely off t But you have joined again.
Speaker 3: We talked about a revolution earlier. More and more people
Speaker 3: are bringing back a mini driver. I guess that would
Speaker 3: be a two would in the old days. But you
Speaker 3: guys have just introduced one, the secret Weapon mini Driver,
Speaker 3: And I'm sure that name didn't come out of your office,
Speaker 3: But tell me about your involvement with that and why
Speaker 3: we need to seriously consider a mini driver these days.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I mean my role here at PXG, I'm
Speaker 2: the director of our Metal Woods R and D, so
Speaker 2: I do club design, I do the majority of our
Speaker 2: driver design, and then my team works through all the
Speaker 2: Faarawoods and hybrids as well. So, so we were responsible
Speaker 2: for the secret Weapon, and you know, it's something that
Speaker 2: we we jumped on that we weren't really sure. It
Speaker 2: was more of a research project at the time, based
Speaker 2: on seeing kind of a couple of tour players that
Speaker 2: were playing them and interested in them of hey, maybe
Speaker 2: this is something to look at, and and the idea
Speaker 2: came as you know, we there have been two woods,
Speaker 2: we've had two woods before, but true mini driver that's
Speaker 2: almost I think of it as a fairwywood, like a
Speaker 2: three wood replacement that is more geared towards hitting off
Speaker 2: the teeth. You know, a lot, Like I said, when
Speaker 2: it comes to Wildcats set, a lot of players come
Speaker 2: in for fittings and we go, hey, how do you
Speaker 2: use your fairwaywood? Do you hit your three with more
Speaker 2: off the tee? Do you hit off the deck? And
Speaker 2: they go, oh, I never hit it off the deck.
Speaker 2: So in that case, it's like, hey, here's something that's
Speaker 2: more designed for being used off the deck. And I
Speaker 2: think the way we fit customers and reach customers with
Speaker 2: fitters can kind of talk you through the advantages and
Speaker 2: disadvantages and how you would use it in your game.
Speaker 2: It lends itself well to things that aren't as traditionally
Speaker 2: part of a golf bag. It's a little different. We've
Speaker 2: seen a ton of them the PGA Tour, and part
Speaker 2: of that is, you know, again, PGA Tour players are
Speaker 2: built differently. They hit it so far that you know,
Speaker 2: We have Jake Napp who plays our secret weaponon tour,
Speaker 2: and he he hits his secret weapon three hundred yards plus,
Speaker 2: so it's like he's like, oh, yeah, I hit it.
Speaker 2: He hits it ten times around sometimes and it's off
Speaker 2: of tea and it's like he's he hasn't had a
Speaker 2: fairwywood into a green and I don't know, since I
Speaker 2: don't know if he turned fifteen, Like it's it's not.
Speaker 2: He doesn't need a three wood that he can hit
Speaker 2: off the deck, so he wants something that is designed
Speaker 2: for off the tee that he feels comfortable, and the
Speaker 2: kind of the bigger head of the mini driver provides
Speaker 2: more distance off the tee at deeper face and then
Speaker 2: just more forgiveness on miss its too.
Speaker 3: Okay, So for the recreational golfer who doesn't hit anything
Speaker 3: three hundred yards except two shots, why would I want
Speaker 3: to consider having a mini driver to replace my three wood?
Speaker 2: I would say it's for players who who like to
Speaker 2: use a fairywood or something other than a driver off
Speaker 2: a tee. It's shorter than a driver, so we again
Speaker 2: it's custom fit so you can adjust length, but we
Speaker 2: have its stock at forty three and three quarters inches.
Speaker 2: It's kind of a low lofted fairy wood at thirteen degrees.
Speaker 2: It's just you know, when you're going, ooh, this is
Speaker 2: the type part four, but I still kind of have
Speaker 2: to hit it a decent ways. I think it's a
Speaker 2: great option to have something a little shorter in terms
Speaker 2: of the club length with a little more loft to
Speaker 2: be able to say I can be confident in hitting
Speaker 2: this fairway. And it is something you know, we worked
Speaker 2: with our tour players to make sure it was something
Speaker 2: in a pinch they can hit off the deck too,
Speaker 2: So it's not like a club that's it's not like
Speaker 2: hitting driver off the deck. It's you know, fairwoods in general,
Speaker 2: three woods can be hard to hit from fairway, and
Speaker 2: you know, this is I would say significantly easier to
Speaker 2: hit off the tee than a three wood, but maybe
Speaker 2: similar off the fairway. So for players who maybe struggle
Speaker 2: with the fairway, would maybe who who want to, you know,
Speaker 2: try something different to improve their their driving game and
Speaker 2: have something they hit a little farther off the tee
Speaker 2: than a three wood, but more a little more consistent
Speaker 2: than a driver. It's a great option.
Speaker 4: What's the degree of loft on the mini driver.
Speaker 2: So it's thirteen degrees and it's adjust so you can
Speaker 2: go up or down a degree and a half, So
Speaker 2: eleven and a half to fourteen and a half.
Speaker 4: Adjustable. And do you.
Speaker 3: I've never wanted a mess with my clubs. It's like,
Speaker 3: oh adjusted because today I'm hitting the It's like that.
Speaker 3: That to me is a recipe for disaster. Do you
Speaker 3: recommend that once you have your fitting and you guys say,
Speaker 3: you know what, this is adjustable, but we're going to
Speaker 3: put you in fourteen degrees, leave it alone. If you're
Speaker 3: having a bad day, just come back tomorrow. How do
Speaker 3: you what do you suggest to people who want to
Speaker 3: make those.
Speaker 4: Adjustments on their own?
Speaker 2: It depends on the person. I know. People like me,
Speaker 2: I could say leave it, but I tinker with mine
Speaker 2: all the time.
Speaker 4: So you're a club maker man, yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean you get it if you know what's going on.
Speaker 2: If you have like an understanding of hey, I think
Speaker 2: I need more spin or I need less spin, or
Speaker 2: I'm hitting it too high or too low. Absolutely different areas.
Speaker 2: Maybe you're going to play at altitude you can use
Speaker 2: a little more loft. Things like that are absolutely reasons
Speaker 2: to adjust them. You know, we try to make it
Speaker 2: very simple, so worst case, you can adjust it right back.
Speaker 2: But the other benefit is you can always just you know,
Speaker 2: call your fitter. Talk to your fitter, they'll work through it.
Speaker 2: So you know, call it PXG, talk to our player
Speaker 2: support team. They can talk you through. You know what
Speaker 2: you're dealing with, and you're going if you're going, hey,
Speaker 2: i'm hitting it too low, here's a couple of options
Speaker 2: in terms of adjustability. We can try to help. You
Speaker 2: can go into a store, they can get you on
Speaker 2: a monitor. We can kind of help get you sorted out,
Speaker 2: so that adjustability is helpful. If you don't know how
Speaker 2: to adjust it. We have resources in terms of calling
Speaker 2: in or you know, some of the content we release
Speaker 2: on YouTube and things like that will help walk you
Speaker 2: through it if you want to educate yourself on it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's fun to toy around with personally,
Speaker 2: and some people say, hey, I am a golf nerd.
Speaker 2: Absolutely there are some people out there who you know,
Speaker 2: the benefit, like the adjustability is still a benefit, but
Speaker 2: it's a benefit in the fitting environment and once it's set,
Speaker 2: leave it. And if that's you, that's fine too. But
Speaker 2: I think it's still provides a lot of a lot
Speaker 2: of value for that player because they are able to
Speaker 2: dial in exactly you know, loft and CG location that
Speaker 2: they wouldn't be able to get with a driver that
Speaker 2: didn't have that adjustability.
Speaker 4: But fascinating, fascinating.
Speaker 3: Tell me about the fitting process that goes on for
Speaker 3: the average consumer and whether whether it's for you know,
Speaker 3: we're not determining if they want to get the the
Speaker 3: Wildcat set or a full set. What is the fitting
Speaker 3: process and how is it determined what would be best
Speaker 3: for that person?
Speaker 2: So, I mean, yeah, fittings can be very different depending
Speaker 2: on who you at, your ability. You know, it's going
Speaker 2: to start with the same kind of static measurement on set,
Speaker 2: not a firm like not it We're not measuring your
Speaker 2: actual height, but talking through it, Hey, how tall are you?
Speaker 2: You know, how long you've been playing? How often do
Speaker 2: you play? You know, it's a it's a conversation with
Speaker 2: the fitter as you get warmed up. They're trying to
Speaker 2: figure out what you're looking for, what you struggle with,
Speaker 2: what areas you know you are looking for improvement in
Speaker 2: what you've been playing. Things like that to kind of
Speaker 2: get to know you better as a player. Uh, they'll
Speaker 2: they'll take a look. If you bring in your old set, great,
Speaker 2: If not, that's fine too, but kind of get you
Speaker 2: started if you're you know, we do full back fittings
Speaker 2: that are quite a while, but in terms of you know,
Speaker 2: they can. It's a lot of swings, so be ready
Speaker 2: to for a little bit of a workout and not
Speaker 2: a lot of us are used to hitting that many balls.
Speaker 2: But our goal is really too our fitter is going
Speaker 2: to try to get you into the proper model, proper
Speaker 2: chef length, li angle weight as few swings as possible,
Speaker 2: because is I think a lot of people don't have
Speaker 2: enough swings that we all. You know, it takes a
Speaker 2: while to warm up. Once you are in that warm zone,
Speaker 2: you have so many good swings before you start going downhill.
Speaker 2: So our goal is always to get the proper club
Speaker 2: to you as quickly as possible. Process. We do that
Speaker 2: in a few ways. One way is we have a
Speaker 2: you know, an internal fitting tool we use, which is
Speaker 2: how our phone team operates. If you call in and
Speaker 2: want to get fit, they'll they'll walk through some questions
Speaker 2: and it'll based on all the fittings we've done. In
Speaker 2: the past, all that data, we use that to come
Speaker 2: up with a recommendation, and then we'll use that in
Speaker 2: our if you come in this person as well, to
Speaker 2: get to a starting point, so to go, Hey, here's
Speaker 2: three shafts in a model club and a length and
Speaker 2: a lie. It recommends we can adjust from that. That
Speaker 2: isn't gospel, but it's a good starting point. It's usually
Speaker 2: pretty close. So we'll do that and then we can
Speaker 2: kind of talk through and try a few different things. So,
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of people have experienced the hey,
Speaker 2: let's try a little lighter, let's try a little heavier,
Speaker 2: let's try a little longer, let's try a little shorter,
Speaker 2: and they're surprised sometimes to go. You know, I've played
Speaker 2: stock stock stock my whole life. It's interesting. I actually
Speaker 2: like a lighter swingweight and a you know, a shorter
Speaker 2: iron feels more consistent and I don't lose any speed
Speaker 2: or you know whatever. The configuration is so more than anything.
Speaker 2: Fitting so important because you can just try different things
Speaker 2: and tinker and get to understand, you know, what all
Speaker 2: the things that can be changed in your equipment and
Speaker 2: what they're doing, and just whether it's so like the
Speaker 2: wildcats out like we said, or up to tour players.
Speaker 2: It makes golf easier. It's just being the proper ly
Speaker 2: angle and the proper length makes it easier and mix
Speaker 2: all of contact and those things are just so important.
Speaker 3: Absolutely well. And that's what we just heard from the
Speaker 3: director of Metal Woods R and D kale Kalb cral Off.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much much for your time, for your
Speaker 3: explanation and the introduction to this fascinating set. If somebody
Speaker 3: is looking to get somebody into golf, this is you
Speaker 3: can you know, direct them towards these clubs.
Speaker 4: If there's you know, if you're senior and you're.
Speaker 3: Looking to you don't need to carry that many clubs
Speaker 3: because you're not that accurate. You might want to look
Speaker 3: into this as well. There's lots of reasons to look
Speaker 3: into it. And again I've been enjoying my Okay, I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna make this.
Speaker 4: That just made it the infomercial, but.
Speaker 3: Caleb, thanks so much for your time and your information.
Speaker 4: It's fascinating.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it absolutely Thanks for having me