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Speaker 1: Hi, mister Jonathan Steinman, and I grew up in Marine County,

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where Fred lives. Currently, I spend most of my time

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between Bridgeton and Cape Elizabeth, Maine, and I'm a member

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of Lake Cheeser Country Club in Level, Maine. A Donald

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Rossporus celebrated gets one hundred and second year. This is

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Golf Smarter episode number one thousand and four.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people haven't experienced, Hey, let's try a

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little lighter, let's try a little heavier, let's try a

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little longer, let's try a little shorter, and they're surprised

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sometimes to go it's interesting. I actually like a lighter

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swingweight and a shorter iron feels more consistent and I

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don't lose any speed. So more than anything, sitting so

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important because you can just try different things and tinker

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and get to understand all the things that can be

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changed in the equipment and what they're doing. Whether it's

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so look the wildcast out like we said, it makes

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golf easier.

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Speaker 3: Unlocking the secrets of PXG's new Wildcats set for beginners

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with Kayleb Crowloff is Golf Smarter sharing stories, tips and

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insights from great golf minds. To help you lower your

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score and raise your golf IQ.

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Speaker 2: Here's your host, Fred Green.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the Golf Smarter podcast. Caleb, Hello, Fred, You

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doing well today?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well. How are you?

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Speaker 4: I'm fine? Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Wanting to talk about this? So I have recently in

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the audience is well aware of this. I've recently become

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a PXG fan playing the full set, and well not

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the full set. I'm still waiting on wedges and I'm

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curious about the wedges. I haven't gotten there yet, but.

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Speaker 4: We can do that.

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Speaker 3: But now, PXG what we're going to talk about today

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is introducing a new set for a whole different breed

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of golfer, which I find absolutely fascinating and want to

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talk about that. It's the wild Cat Set. Can you

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explain what the Wildcat PXG or the PXG Wildcat Set is?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely so. The Wildcat Set is a set of PXG

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clubs designed more for entry level beginner players or players

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with more geared towards slower swing speeds. So the whole

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idea behind the Wildcat Set is to make golf fun,

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make it easy. Golfs plenty hard as it is, but

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we want, we want players, especially those who struggle more

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because it's you know, whether they're just don't hit it

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quite as far or quite as high, or new to

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the game in the proper setup. Traditionally, those players don't

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don't get fit, don't get the right set up for them.

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So we want to do everything we can to make

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golf enjoyable and make it fun.

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Speaker 4: Do you need to be fit for this set?

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Speaker 2: No, you don't need to be fit. We recommend alwayskind

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of going through it at least a phone call. We're

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able to you know, get through to our fitters on

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our team that work well over the phone, are able

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to walk through even if it's someone who doesn't know

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a lot about golf, is new to the game, and

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say you're this tall, you know, you're around this age range,

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and make a pretty good recommendation. So you don't need

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to go in and get fit. You can, and I

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always highly recommend it. We design golf clubs to be

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fit around here. It's it's you know, to the player's

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benefit always. But if you if you aren't able to

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make it in or for some reason you know, aren't

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comfortable doing that, we're able to help over the phone

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quite a bit. Or you can go through online and

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order as well.

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Speaker 3: In my many conversations with listeners throughout the years, a

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lot of people are.

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Speaker 4: Like, yeah, I'm kind of new to the game.

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Speaker 3: And I just don't feel like I'm ready to get

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fit because my swing isn't there yet. And I have

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to remind them that. But you're no matter how good

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you get, your swing may never be what you wanted

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to be, right, So they're resistant to get fit. And

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we've advocated for years to get fit for clubs because

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it's just going to make you better immediately.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah, that's one of those things. You know, I

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hear it all the time. I get a lot of

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people talking to me at social gatherings who you know,

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who go, oh, like, you have an interesting job work

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in the golf industry, and then they'll say, yeah, I

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don't need to get fit, I'm not that good, or

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I don't play enough. And you know, every tour player

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gets fit. And the thing is the tour players they

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could pick up a box set and go shoot sixty

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five on any given day. They can adjust to it.

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near that level. But even you know, as a single

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digit it's harder for me to adjust to equipment when

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it's not fit right for me. And it's if it's

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you know, too long or the wrongly angle or the

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wrong fluck shafts, wrong weight, it's just making it harder.

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Like there's no reason not to get fit.

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Speaker 4: Right right.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and usually fittings, Well, let me ask you this way,

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is there a cost to be fit for this set? Uh?

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Speaker 2: Yes, So the way our fitting system works are generally

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are there's a cost to get fit, but it'll get

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applied towards purchases, so oh great. So yeah, I mean

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it's absolutely the way to do it.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely. There.

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Speaker 3: The set itself is unique in the sense that, again

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you're looking at new golfers, golfers that are struggling buying

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youth clubs. What about the senior golfer that is just

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and you hear it all the time. I'm just not

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hitting it as far as I used to.

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Speaker 3: You know, I can't carry the bag anymore. It's getting

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too heavy. You know, there's a lot of senior golfers

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who still love to play, have been playing, have had

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you know, at various levels of their game, but now

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the swing speed, the body is just not holding up.

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senior golfers as well?

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Speaker 2: Certainly for some I used. My dad is a good example.

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He's played golf my whole life. He you know, got

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more into it when my brothers and I started playing.

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and he's gotten up there in age and has slowed

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down and had to go to lighter shafts. You know,

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graph fight with lighter flexes and he needs more loft

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and you know, a lot of even game improvement irons

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these days are geared towards distance, and you know, for

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players who struggle to hit it higher, this is a

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great option. So it's not necessarily just I'm a new

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entrant to the game or I had don't play very much.

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it's the right fit. And you know, it just mainly

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for players who struggle to hit it high, and a

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lot of the times that is slower swingers at the

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golf club.

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Speaker 3: Why do I think that I'm older and your dad do?

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Speaker 2: Do?

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Speaker 4: Has he played this set?

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Speaker 2: Has your dad yet? But we'll see. Is a birthday

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coming up?

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Speaker 4: So have you talked to him about it? Is he

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open time a little bit?

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Speaker 2: We talk. He likes to talk shop every once in

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a while, and he knows talking about golf clubs is

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my favorite subject. So certainly whenever he has a question,

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comes to me and we talk through specs and options,

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and you know, I think sometimes it's kind of fun too.

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the outside world of more of a a lay person

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when it comes to golf equipment. I think sometimes my

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understanding of what the general public knows about golf clubs

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can get skewed by being surrounded by people who are

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very passionate and have an in depth knowledge of golf equipment. So,

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you know, whether it's my parents, my in laws, my brothers,

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my friends, it's fun to hear from them and talk

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through like what they know, what they don't know? Should

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I get fit? Can I adjust things? All that sort

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of stuff. But it's fun to talk to him about

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that kind of stuff. And I think he's definitely always

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excited to try the latest and greatest.

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Speaker 4: And is he playing any PXG clubs? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's playing PXG stuff.

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Speaker 4: He and your brothers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, both my brothers are. I've been here for about

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coming up on ten years now, so.

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Speaker 4: Oh is that right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think at this point it'd be I'd

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be a little consulted, weren't Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that happened to me once. I was doing

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work with Anheuser Busch for years back.

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Speaker 4: In the eighties and nineties.

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Speaker 3: But I got a call from Saint Louis one day

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with my contact and he goes, so, what are you

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up to? And I said, I'm just sitting here drinking

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a beer. He said what are you drinking? And I

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said a corona dead silence on the phone.

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Speaker 4: It was like, oops, that was the wrong answer.

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Speaker 3: Well, we're going to get more into your journey too

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about how you got there. But there is competition kind

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of for what this Wildcat set is. Styx has an

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entry level set of clubs that's very good looking, nice bag,

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you know, for people who are just getting started, and

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one something that looks a little bit nicer than just

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normal set of clubs. Even Costco has a phenomenal set

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that is not expensive. But I don't see that happening

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with a lot of the major brands like PXG, is

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what made you guys decide that this is a portion

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of the market you wanted to attack.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think a lot of it comes from mister

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sees people struggle, and you know, it's funny when he

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comes in, whether it's some new blade or a new driver,

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he's we're we're working on something in engineering, and you know,

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he's trying to get prototypes out to his buddies the

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next day and telling tour players you have to try this,

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and we're like, slow down, we need to do some

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testing first. So he's he wants to get help people

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and enjoy golf, and I think it's something that he

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cares quite a bit about. And then just our customer base.

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customers quite a bit because of our retail locations. You know,

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our fitters talk one on one with them and we

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get to hear that feedback of what they're looking for.

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you know, high school age kid or my you know,

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retired parent who is trying to pick up golf or

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my wife or my husband or whatever it is. So

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I think I think, you know, all of that feedback

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is so valuable, and that connection and relationship with our

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customer allows us to kind of hear and understand and

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you know, do a more entry level set, but do

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it in our way that that is custom fit and

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that is filled with technology. And you know, I think

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the Irons and the Wildcats that are a great example

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of a lot of that technology exists in our mainline

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flagship products. You know, it's our hollow body filled technology.

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for entry level players, which I think is really cool

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and really unique.

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Speaker 3: A minute ago you mentioned that it's filled with technology.

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How is it that you're able to deliver a set

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like this that has all that PSG technology behind and

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make it affordable one person who's not necessarily into it

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just yet, or you know, they're not sure of their commitment.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think part of it is. So it's a

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nine piece set, and that's something that for beginners. You know,

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the first thing my mom picked up golf in the

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last couple of years. The first thing she calls me

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all the time just to ask questions about when do

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club here? And it's confusing, and if anything, the beginners

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really don't need that many clubs. You know, fourteen clubs

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is great if you are very serious golfer looking to

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take advantage of and play better golf, but realistically your

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gaps are smaller. If you're a slower swinger, you don't

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necessarily use multiple wedges in the same way a more

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avid golfer would. So first of all, nine pieces really

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is a great way to get into it at a

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more reasonable price point. And then the other part is

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just kind of deciding what technologies, uh make sense for

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this player and not adding things in that don't help. So,

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you know, we have certain technologies that at an advanced

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level are really important, and you know, add to the

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fine tuning adjustment like our weighting system and our flagship

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products is great. It adds a lot of value to

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that player. At an entry level, it's an expensive technology

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to add into clubs, and you know, isn't really going

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to be as important to that player as getting the

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right length, getting the right club head, and getting an

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overall performing quality product. So I mean choosing the technology

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and then also the trickle down of that where the

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R and D costs. The development is already done in

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previous generations, and it's something we can then apply in

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to to all models.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a fascinating idea using a nine piece

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set because you know the goal for every golfer, and

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one of the things they are the first things you

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have to learn when you're starting to play golf is

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how far you hit each club. But if you're new

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to it and you're not really sure, you don't need

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you know accuracy in that sense.

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Speaker 2: We all know the person that pulls their seven iron

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from everywhere and they hit the only right.

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Speaker 4: Yes, we do. We play with them regularly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then there's the people who are like, I'm

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allergic to my seven iron.

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Speaker 4: Oh god, what am I going to do?

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Speaker 2: So what.

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Speaker 3: Is the nine piece set? Let's break it down piece

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by piece.

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Speaker 2: So it's available as a full set or individual clubs

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as well.

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Speaker 4: Oh okay, let's talk about the nine piece set.

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Speaker 2: So it's a driver a fairway would which is a

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five W And then.

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Speaker 3: Let's let's stop a driver first, cause we're going to

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go over each club. What's unique about this driver for

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the nine piece set.

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Speaker 2: I would say this driver compared to any anything else

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available in our line, it is significantly more loft. So

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it is sixteen degrees aloft, whoa players hit it high.

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And it also has a large face. So the design

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is you know, we talk a lot about forgiveness in golf,

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and when you're early on in golf, you know, it

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doesn't matter how high the MOI is if you don't

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catch it on the face. So you know, we try

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to maximize the face size to the best of our ability.

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So it is a really large faced driver.

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Speaker 3: That's interesting because I know that people struggle more with

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the ball that may just trickle off and you know,

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like bowling ball just roll down the fairway. But if

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they get it in the air, it really doesn't matter

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how far they hit it. If they get it in

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the air and their new golf they're very excited. So

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after sixteen degrees of loft, we'll get the ball in

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the air. Absolutely interesting. Interesting, all right, And when you

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said it's got a very large face, it does meet

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the specifications.

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Speaker 2: It is according to the USGA rules, so it is

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it is.

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Speaker 4: Not the size of a fry pan, no, but it.

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Speaker 2: Is within the rules. Relative to other drivers. A lot

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of the times we you know, manipulate that shape, whether

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it's for aerodynamics for you know, adjusting the characteristics for

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launch and spin, doing things to make it, uh, you know,

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for aesthetics, to make it look. What a better player

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prefers this is it is a bigger hitting surface, which

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I think most players at this level appreciate.

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Speaker 4: I agree with you one.

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Speaker 3: All right, now let's move on pastifer and what's next.

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Speaker 2: No fairy wood. So again with the nine piece set,

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you're not going to have multiple fairy woods. Our experience

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has been you know, we have customers, even people who've

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played golf for a long time that are you say,

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a fifteen handicap, come in fit or ask them when

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do you hit your fariywood? Do you tend to hit

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it off the deck? Do you tend to hit it

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off the tee? And they say, I don't. It's scary club,

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So you just don't hit it. Just they just don't

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hit it. They sip in the bag because you're supposed

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to have a fairy wood and usually three three with

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are hard to hit, so we went straight to a

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five wood again. Part of that is the more loft

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aspect of it. It's easier to hit in the air.

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A little shorter just overall a little more comfortable to hit.

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And it's again kind of that bigger profile, bigger design.

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Weight is far back and low. The whole goal is

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make it easy to make contact and to hit it high.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, when you say it's shorter, the overall length of

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the club on our on all the woods are actually

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a little bit shorter than our standard.

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Speaker 2: Uh, it's back talking about the shaft for talking about

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shaft length.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: That's and that's where when it comes to woods especially,

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you know, drivers have gotten longer over time, and it's

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so that people can hit them farther, and you know,

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shaft technologies come a long way. Those things allow us

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to do that. Uh. But also you know, when it

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comes to a beginner or or someone who maybe doesn't

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hit it that far, they're not going to pick up

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a whole lot of distance by having an extra inch

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on the long length of their driver half into the

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length of their driver. They'll pick up a decent amount

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of consistency by going shorter. So we want to kind

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of push people in the proper direction or guide them

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to to what's best for them in terms of maybe

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not max distance when you hit it perfectly, but your

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average distance and enjoyment to the game.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: So I've talked to many club fitters and club builders

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and they talk about, you know, we're going to put

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you in a shaft that's about an inch shorter than

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what is the standard for a driver, let's say, because

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you're going to have more control. You know, Yeah, a

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longer driver the standard size is going to get you

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more distance but less control. So your dispersion with a

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shorter shaft is going to be less and that's what

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you want, absolutely, and that's what you're doing here, a

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little bit shorter on the shaft.

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Speaker 4: But again, what's the loft on the five wood?

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Speaker 2: The five wood is at oh testing me on my

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specs here?

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Speaker 4: Oh oh, through them a curveball you did?

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Speaker 2: The driver.

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Speaker 4: Is sixteen degrees?

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Speaker 2: Is sixteen and then the fairway would so compared to

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a standard five wood, we have at eighteen. This I

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believe is a little bit more. It is at a.

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Speaker 4: Two. Should we be playing the Jeopardy theme.

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Speaker 2: I'd be out of time already. Huh So it's at nineteen, uh,

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nineteen degrees. Sorry to do that to you, no, that's

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all right. Job and the kind of things that I

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try to keep track of and and sometimes it's, you know,

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too many numbers running through my head all at once.

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But so nineteen degrees aloft designed to again be higher.

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It's not a uh like crazy high loft for a

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fairy wood, but uh it is kind of for the

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being the only fairway in the bag. We want to

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make sure, you know, if a beginner shows up with

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a three wood that's you know, fifteen degrees, it's going

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to be so hard to hit, it so hard to

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hit in the air, and they'll just never be comfortable

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with it. So it's certainly designed to go up in

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the air.

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Speaker 3: Are you familiar with the name Jesse Ortiz from the

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club fitter from it was originally or Lamar had started

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or Lamar. So he's a great club fitter, worked for

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many different companies. I had a fitting with him and

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I told him I wanted a three wood, and he goes.

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Speaker 4: All right, what we're gonna do.

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Speaker 3: So we're going to give you a four wood and

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you can tell people it's a three wood because so

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many people struggle to get a three wood off the

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deck YEP and a four wood's going to help. So

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a five wood's going to definitely make it.

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Speaker 4: A bit easier.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And some people, you know, tour players carry five

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woods and three woods because they're looking to hit specific

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distance gaps, and you know, they find fairy wood's easier

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to hit high in the air than some hybrids that

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are overofted. And you know, it's it's a common club

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to be used. And again, just like we said earlier

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with the nine piece set, players who are new to

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the game generally don't have a big enough discrepancy and

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distance from one to another fill that gap so or

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to need that extra club to fill a gap. So

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I think five wood sets them up as something that

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they can use as a t club and be comfortable

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hitting off the deck as well.

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Speaker 3: Okay, out of that nine piece set, we've gone through

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driver in a fair way, would I'm guessing our next

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stop is a hybrid?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 4: So you guess.

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Speaker 2: So there's one hybrid in the set. It's a twenty

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eight degree six hybrid.

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Speaker 4: So it replaces a six iron, yes.

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Speaker 2: So, and this is something that going back to you know,

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the questions beginners ask and how complicated golf clubs can

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be when you've been playing them forever. It seems straightforward,

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but explaining to a beginner the idea that you're you know, hey,

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as the number on your irons go down, it's a

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longer club. It's going to go farther. Okay, we got that.

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When you start adding in you know, faaraway woods and

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hybrids that have different sets of numbers, and the farawoods

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go higher than the irons and the hybrids are in between,

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it can be complicated. So that's one of those things

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we wanted to do to keep it simple.

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Speaker 3: So we've been through the driver and the faraway wood.

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My next guess is we're going to a hybrid in

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the set.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's correct. So the next club in the set

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is going to be a six hybrid at twenty eight

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degrees aloft. So the idea of going directly to a

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six hybrid we really wanted to. It goes back to

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the idea of set compositions kind of complicated. If you're

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new to the nomenclature and all of the verbiage of

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the Gulf world, you know that, Okay, as your irons

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go down in number, they go farther, they get longer,

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all right, And then hybrids fit between there, and then

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there's fairy woods, and you know, having a three wood,

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a three hybrid and a three iron, or I guess

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you could say a five wood of five hybrid and

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a five iron. People get confused. So we wanted to

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go directly from your five wood and then use your

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six hybrid and it goes to a seven iron. So

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keep it as simple as possible, you know, straightforward. People

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understand kind of sticks with that idea of as the

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number goes down, that's going to be a longer club

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that goes farther, so twenty eight degrees of loft. It's

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a sort of a six iron replacement, a little longer

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than a six iron to help promote get up in

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the air, high lofted club and then just an overall

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bigger head than an iron. So it's going to produce

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more forgiveness, more speed across the face, just sort of

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more friendly than a long iron.

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Speaker 3: Is yeah, absolutely, you know. It's what's sounding really interesting

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about this is my wife really doesn't play golf. She

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has a set that we bought years ago that a

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full set is an inexpensive set, and she just it's

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too frustrating for her. This is the kind of set

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that would make her go, oh, I can do this.

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I'll play nine holes with you.

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Speaker 2: That was absolutely our goal. So I hope that is

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the case.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, great, great, No, she doesn't have a birthday coming,

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all right, So now I guess that hybrid cuts through

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the rough like butter too, right, Yeah, that's the point

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of That's why they called it a rescue club initially,

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but that was a patent in name.

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Speaker 2: But it's a hybrid, yeah, a little bit bigger of

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a club, easier to get kind of down on the ball.

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I think so much of golf equipment is when it

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comes to designing product is sort of shaping and know

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how on our end to help make sure that stuff,

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you know, turf interaction the ball, or how the club

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goes through the rough. Those are sort of not the

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front and center technologies these days because you know, it's

478
00:26:10,079 --> 00:26:12,160
it's something that's been around and it's not maybe the

479
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,119
sexiest thing to talk about, but it's so important to

480
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,720
making sure clubs, souls and designs are created in a

481
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,759
way that make it easy for a player to get

482
00:26:21,799 --> 00:26:23,799
through that it doesn't dig into the ground that it,

483
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,680
you know, gets through the rough. Okay, So I think

484
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,839
that's one of the key features of you know, we

485
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:36,400
make product for players on tour at you know, high

486
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:41,079
level amateurs, for everyday golfers, for beginners. You know, we're

487
00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:44,119
we're putting that same level of detail into you know,

488
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,240
all of the shaping. It's not just you know, hey,

489
00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:50,680
let's get this design quick out the door, you know,

490
00:26:51,559 --> 00:26:54,079
made by someone who's maybe never designed a set of

491
00:26:54,319 --> 00:26:56,680
clubs before, and just scale them down based on a picture.

492
00:26:57,319 --> 00:27:00,680
I mean, it's it's really more than you know, the

493
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,799
box sets that are out there. It's it's designed to

494
00:27:02,839 --> 00:27:03,680
perform in that way.

495
00:27:04,079 --> 00:27:04,559
Speaker 4: Yeah.

496
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, if we've learned anything over the years and watching

497
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:17,119
golf on television especially, that really dictates sales what we

498
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,559
see on TV. And I do see a lot of

499
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,440
players on the tour that are wearing PXG clothing and

500
00:27:24,519 --> 00:27:29,200
even carrying PXG bags. But you do are they also

501
00:27:29,319 --> 00:27:33,240
playing are they just as PXG just marketing you know,

502
00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:35,440
the logo for these guys to wear it on tour?

503
00:27:35,519 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 4: Are they playing these clubs?

504
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 2: They're they're playing our clubs. So you know, we have

505
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,319
nine players on the PGA Tour right now that play,

506
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:48,359
you know, wear our hat carra Bag and Carrie. I

507
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,279
believe all of them are at least eight clubs, so

508
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:54,200
generally irons and wedges, and then a mix of some potters,

509
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:59,359
some drivers, some fairy woods. Uh, you know, some of

510
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:03,200
them play all fourteen clubs, some of them don't. There's

511
00:28:03,319 --> 00:28:05,519
there's a mix in there. But but we've you know,

512
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,319
it's a resource for us. We get a lot of

513
00:28:07,319 --> 00:28:10,079
great feedback from them in terms of our ability to

514
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,960
work with them design and improve, So I think that's

515
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,880
really helpful. It is important to mention the players. You know,

516
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,720
the equipment that they play is not it's not different

517
00:28:23,759 --> 00:28:26,599
than what's available for consumers necessarily, but it's not necessarily

518
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,759
what's best for your average player. You know, Jake Knapp

519
00:28:29,839 --> 00:28:32,000
is our tour staff and he can swing a driver

520
00:28:32,039 --> 00:28:35,240
one hundred and thirty miles an hour, and what he

521
00:28:35,319 --> 00:28:37,839
needs in his clubs is very, very different than what

522
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,519
I need, than what you know, my wife needs and

523
00:28:40,599 --> 00:28:43,000
what our parents need. It's just, you know, it's not

524
00:28:43,119 --> 00:28:45,880
the same thing. Most players on tour are using blades

525
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,759
because they like the way they go through the rough,

526
00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:51,799
they like the look of it from top down, and

527
00:28:51,839 --> 00:28:54,680
they like the player because they can hit them because

528
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:59,839
they can hit them. They hit you know, it's not time. Yeah,

529
00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:01,960
So I mean those are the kind of things where

530
00:29:02,799 --> 00:29:04,680
those guys are so good they can play all sorts

531
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,839
of different things. You know, there's a lot of players

532
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,720
playing a lot of different clubs and the PGA Tour.

533
00:29:11,119 --> 00:29:15,119
Speaker 3: Do you know that if you guys sign a player

534
00:29:15,119 --> 00:29:18,880
for the PGA Tour, if there's a verbiage in the

535
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,640
contract that says you have to play at least X

536
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,079
amount of PHG clubs.

537
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:27,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, generally, generally there's It's not I Do'm not intimately

538
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,559
familiar with you know, how our contracts are written. Sure,

539
00:29:31,079 --> 00:29:34,880
not my area, but generally yeah, I think you know,

540
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:39,319
anyone wearing our hat and our carrying our bag is

541
00:29:39,319 --> 00:29:41,839
is asked to play at least a min own number

542
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,759
as part of the contract. But most of our players

543
00:29:44,759 --> 00:29:48,519
are playing more than that. So it's it's something where

544
00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:52,559
you know, it's a it's you know, a partnership in

545
00:29:52,599 --> 00:29:55,119
a way where part of it is when we work

546
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,119
with them. You know, we have our guys that are

547
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,000
on our staff or our reps for that go out

548
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,640
there on tour and work with our players and our

549
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,160
our fitters for the tour players effectively and they build

550
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,279
great relationship with the players. You know, they do an

551
00:30:07,319 --> 00:30:10,240
amazing job. They know their games sometimes better than the

552
00:30:10,279 --> 00:30:13,279
tour players do. But uh, you know, they're they're there

553
00:30:13,319 --> 00:30:16,240
to help them through. Hey we have this coming that

554
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:17,920
I think would help you, or if we have a

555
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:21,839
new you know, product that's coming to go that that

556
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,519
one's not for you to stick with. What you're doing

557
00:30:23,559 --> 00:30:25,640
is working good. So I think a lot of it

558
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:30,359
is the relationship as well, but they you know, there

559
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,640
it's fun to have our Sometimes our tour players are

560
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,720
excited when they see new products, and I'm excited to

561
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,359
go watch them test, and you know, it certainly helps

562
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,079
us to design at a higher level and just to learn.

563
00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:45,319
You know, the way they evaluated and decide if equipment

564
00:30:45,359 --> 00:30:48,559
is good is different than you know, our robot testing

565
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,680
or how we evaluate it. They're they're looking at shots

566
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,640
I've never thought about. So it's it's kind of cool

567
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,160
to to pick their brains and see how they think

568
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,880
when they are evaluating if something's you know, or for them.

569
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:06,319
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely so we mentioned hitting blades. I got to

570
00:31:06,319 --> 00:31:12,359
believe that this wildcat set the irons, which are assuming

571
00:31:12,359 --> 00:31:15,839
you're seven eight nine on your irons, those are probably

572
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,319
cavity back clubs.

573
00:31:17,599 --> 00:31:22,039
Speaker 2: So yes and no. So it's an interesting thing. Where

574
00:31:22,319 --> 00:31:26,799
So because of our product, the way our products designed,

575
00:31:27,359 --> 00:31:31,119
it's a hollow body, so we're creating a hollow body

576
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,400
and then we weld on a face. So what it

577
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,400
is is it's a cast body without a face on it.

578
00:31:36,599 --> 00:31:39,240
We weld on the face and it creates this large

579
00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:42,759
hollow club and then we fill it with material with

580
00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:45,920
We call it our x Core two, something we had

581
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,519
in our flagship irons and previous generations, and it is

582
00:31:50,319 --> 00:31:55,000
basically allowing the face to flex, but also a lot

583
00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:57,759
lighter so it moves weight to the perimeter and supporting

584
00:31:57,799 --> 00:31:59,720
the face so that it doesn't break. So it's kind

585
00:31:59,759 --> 00:32:02,359
of our key technology, and I think what we're best

586
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,400
known for is that filled hollow body design. We have

587
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,319
what I would call cavity back in the Wildcat irons,

588
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,680
but it's actually filled with a an insert that's a

589
00:32:14,759 --> 00:32:19,359
lightweight insert there, so it kind of has a more flush,

590
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:24,359
kind of sleek design, and I think it looks really

591
00:32:24,359 --> 00:32:28,200
really good, provides really great feel compared to you know,

592
00:32:28,319 --> 00:32:30,559
with cavity backs and bigger clubs. A lot of the times,

593
00:32:30,759 --> 00:32:33,000
our concern is we want to make sure it looks good.

594
00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:35,559
We want to make sure it feels good because especially

595
00:32:36,119 --> 00:32:41,000
beginner sets, larger oversized clubs, they can you know, have

596
00:32:41,079 --> 00:32:43,559
a bad feel to them, you know, like that's what

597
00:32:43,599 --> 00:32:46,680
some players like about blades or smaller clubs is they

598
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,920
feel more solid when you hit them good. And you know,

599
00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:51,960
we we take so much pride in kind of PXG

600
00:32:52,079 --> 00:32:55,319
having its own specific feel and it being different than

601
00:32:55,319 --> 00:32:57,079
what's out there in the industry that you know, we

602
00:32:57,119 --> 00:33:00,599
want to make sure even on the Wildcat set, you know,

603
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,799
it is considered like reaching our level a minimum of

604
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,240
a you know, great feel and sound. Uh so it

605
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,079
it isn't. It isn't to cavity back. It's a little

606
00:33:10,079 --> 00:33:12,000
bit more different to a construction.

607
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 4: Interesting, that's unique.

608
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:15,039
Speaker 2: Hmmm.

609
00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:20,039
Speaker 3: And I'm playing the three eleven's three eleven Yeah right

610
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:25,119
XB And is that the filled hollow body design as well,

611
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,640
or so it's our same design as your main clubs.

612
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so are our flagship Uh you know Gen seven

613
00:33:32,519 --> 00:33:36,920
irons are a forged body. We have a face that's

614
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,440
weeled on and then it's filled with a polymer as well,

615
00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:43,599
and so it's a very at the overall construction is

616
00:33:43,599 --> 00:33:46,680
the same. So that's that's where I'm saying. The Wildcats

617
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,319
have a lot more technology in them than any other

618
00:33:49,359 --> 00:33:51,720
beginner set out there that I know of. They're they're

619
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,440
really designed to to promote that great sound and feel

620
00:33:54,519 --> 00:33:58,119
as well as a lot of forgiveness and just you know,

621
00:33:58,599 --> 00:34:01,200
be a really high performing product for that player.

622
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,119
Speaker 3: Now this set, there's three clubs left in this nine

623
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:13,760
piece set. We've been through driver, Fairaway, Wood Hybrid, the

624
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:18,519
three iron, seven, eight, nine, and some wedge makers consider

625
00:34:18,559 --> 00:34:21,679
a nine like a wedge that you have two wedges

626
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:22,880
and the putter left.

627
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:28,079
Speaker 2: Yes, so we have a so a pitching wedge and

628
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:32,000
a sand wedge, and those are the same constructions as

629
00:34:32,039 --> 00:34:36,079
the irons, So you know, I personally consider them part

630
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:42,639
of the iron set. Okay, but where wedges have just

631
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:45,760
just like the hybrid faraway would concept, wedges have gotten complicated,

632
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,559
especially two players who are new to the game, you know,

633
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:52,000
having a lob wedge of sand wedge and a gap

634
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,519
wedge and a pitching wedge, it's confusing when when do

635
00:34:55,599 --> 00:34:58,159
I hit what from where? You know, they probably don't

636
00:34:58,199 --> 00:35:00,360
have distance gapping issues around their wedge is.

637
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 3: And for beginners, the lob wedge is probably the hardest

638
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:03,519
club to hit.

639
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean beginners are hitting high soft shots and

640
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,679
they're not trying to open faces. They're you know, trying

641
00:35:10,679 --> 00:35:13,679
to pitch and chip it onto the green and you know,

642
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,440
are are happy with that. So I think that's where

643
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,760
I try to get it to stop exactly. So, you know,

644
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,159
the the wedges have the same technology as the irons,

645
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,559
So for full swings with your wedges, you get that

646
00:35:26,599 --> 00:35:30,079
same level of forgiveness. Uh, the same you know, wide

647
00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:34,280
soul for great turf interaction to prevent uh you know,

648
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,199
at the club from digging into the ground. But then

649
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,480
kind of simplicity and you pitching wedge, you know, and

650
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,039
then you have your sand wedge that you can use

651
00:35:43,039 --> 00:35:46,800
for your you know, high soft pitch shots.

652
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 3: Yeah that makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense. And is

653
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,039
there a lot of bounce on that sandwich?

654
00:35:53,559 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: Uh?

655
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a there's a bounce. Is one of those

656
00:35:57,119 --> 00:35:59,679
funny things where when you when you get into it

657
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,960
with with people who are too in the know about it,

658
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,039
we all have our thoughts on how the world sees bounce.

659
00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:09,079
So it's a really wide soul.

660
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 3: So is that is that a big debate going on

661
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,000
when you guys are sitting around a table.

662
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 2: The designer is going it's more a frustration of people's

663
00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:19,960
understanding of bounce because clubs are clubs are listed with

664
00:36:20,119 --> 00:36:24,239
effective bounce generally, so you know, there's bounce angle, which

665
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,880
is truly the angle the soul like the leading edge

666
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,840
is making with the ground as like the soul is

667
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,639
going to you know, the contact point and the soul

668
00:36:34,119 --> 00:36:37,880
and so on. Some clubs it's listed as you know,

669
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,679
a really low number, and you can look at a

670
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,480
wedge and go, I can tell you there's more bounce

671
00:36:42,519 --> 00:36:44,239
on there than that. And then you can look at

672
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,800
one that's listed as a really low number because that

673
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,639
angle is low, but because the soul is so wide,

674
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,320
it plays effectively like there is more bounce, So we

675
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,000
like we talk about it in effective bounce of it's

676
00:36:58,039 --> 00:37:01,239
a combination of multiple aspects of fact, how high off

677
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,119
the ground the leading edge gets and so on. This set,

678
00:37:04,159 --> 00:37:07,960
it's designed to be very playable, more bounced, which is

679
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,159
going to lead to, you know, more forgiveness when it

680
00:37:11,159 --> 00:37:13,559
comes to you know, you're not when you're chiping, not

681
00:37:13,559 --> 00:37:16,760
putting the leading edge in the ground helpful in the bunker,

682
00:37:18,159 --> 00:37:21,440
and that wide soul kind of protects you that beginners

683
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:25,280
aren't looking for the versatility generally that you know, better

684
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,239
players are opening up the face and don't want the

685
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,119
leading edge to rise up too much, and they're they're

686
00:37:30,159 --> 00:37:32,360
looking to, you know, try to hit all sorts of

687
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:37,440
different shots. Well, most people that would be you know,

688
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,880
the set is geared towards are looking to make solid

689
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,559
contact consistently when they chip the ball. So it's designed

690
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,920
in a kind of a significant amount of bounce, but

691
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,280
not too much that the leading edges are raising up

692
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,039
too high that you kind of are going to scoll

693
00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:56,880
the ball, but with ideal for making consistent contact.

694
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 4: I would say, great, Great, that's the whole idea.

695
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:02,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, consistency and making it easy.

696
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, So go back to your chart on your screen.

697
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,679
The degrees of loft between the seven and the eight,

698
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,480
the eight and the nine. Is it consistent when we

699
00:38:11,519 --> 00:38:16,039
get to the pitching in the.

700
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:26,679
Speaker 2: Sage, Let's see here, So there's about it spreads out

701
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,039
a little more in the sand and lob wedge, so

702
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:34,400
it's five degrees between uh from the seven through nine,

703
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:40,320
and then on the wedges it goes to six degree gaps,

704
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,639
so okay, so not not a huge difference. And it's

705
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,840
they're designed to be used as full swing clubs as well.

706
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,039
You know, that's not just these are short game specific

707
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,360
and so that's for gapping purposes to kind of make

708
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,960
sure you're covered at all distances and you can learn

709
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,719
those distances, and then also you know, to make sure

710
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:06,679
that they are relatively high. I would say these lofts

711
00:39:06,679 --> 00:39:09,480
are much more traditional and loft for what I'd say

712
00:39:09,519 --> 00:39:11,760
compared to you know, a lot of sets these days,

713
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:17,679
especially you know, distance geared irons are a lot stronger lofted,

714
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,960
but these are these lofts are a lot weaker, more

715
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,320
traditional to help players hit it high in the air.

716
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.

717
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 3: And then uh, you guys have recently come out with

718
00:39:29,039 --> 00:39:34,239
the Allen putter, named after mister Parson's brother, and that

719
00:39:34,519 --> 00:39:41,400
is to put your entry into this zero torque revolution

720
00:39:41,519 --> 00:39:45,159
that's going on started by lab Golf and having a

721
00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:48,960
tremendous amount of success, and you guys were one of

722
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:55,119
the first companies to come out publicly and say, yeah,

723
00:39:55,159 --> 00:39:59,199
we've got a zero torque putter, the Allan putter, And

724
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,960
we can talk more about that, but let's finish off

725
00:40:02,039 --> 00:40:05,239
this Wildcat set and the putter that you have in

726
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:05,800
that bag.

727
00:40:06,519 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the putter that comes with the Wildcat set,

728
00:40:10,039 --> 00:40:13,719
it's called the black Hawk. It is a mallet style putter,

729
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,519
has a long alignment line, has a lot of perimeter waiting.

730
00:40:18,639 --> 00:40:21,159
So whenever we talk about perimeter waiting and golf, we're

731
00:40:21,159 --> 00:40:24,880
talking about adding forgiveness and that means on mishits, the

732
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:26,599
club wants to stay straight or it doesn't want to

733
00:40:26,679 --> 00:40:29,800
rotate as much and it doesn't lose as much speed

734
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,039
off the face, so more consistent on mishits, which as

735
00:40:33,079 --> 00:40:36,760
a beginner on putting is generally something that's more common

736
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:41,760
than with more seasoned players. So it's a very high

737
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:46,519
forgiveness model. And then the alignment line is very long

738
00:40:46,519 --> 00:40:49,440
from front to back. The idea, everything we've done, all

739
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,920
of our research says longer the alignment line, the easier

740
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,440
it is to line up. It's really simple. So really

741
00:40:55,679 --> 00:40:58,719
for that that player type who you know a lot

742
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,960
of players, there's a lot of blades out there on

743
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,960
the PGA tour. Certain players just like to look at

744
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,039
different things. Certain lighter players like small putters, like like

745
00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:11,159
putters without alignment lines all sorts of things. I guess

746
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,519
the alignment line that fits your eye, that is the

747
00:41:13,559 --> 00:41:15,599
longest is the best for you, would be my mind

748
00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:19,039
or my comment. But for players who don't necessarily have

749
00:41:19,159 --> 00:41:22,559
a preference yet, who haven't used a blade for years,

750
00:41:23,039 --> 00:41:24,960
I think the easiest thing to line up is going

751
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,480
to be a nice, big, long line. So there's a

752
00:41:27,519 --> 00:41:30,159
lot of perimeter waving. And then the other nice feature

753
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,599
on the bottom of these there's a ball pickup pocket,

754
00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:35,599
which is kind of nice for a mallet to the pails.

755
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,800
Now they pick it right up, move on. So uh,

756
00:41:39,159 --> 00:41:42,119
it's a it's a fun thing that I personally really enjoy.

757
00:41:42,159 --> 00:41:44,320
There's a lot of players who who don't want a

758
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,960
putter that can't pick up a ball, and there's it's

759
00:41:48,119 --> 00:41:50,800
it's something that that's certainly nice to have. And it's

760
00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:52,679
right in the center of the club where we're trying

761
00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:55,920
to remove mass from anyway, so it's a great spot

762
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,880
to you know, take mass out and provide that as well.

763
00:42:05,639 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 3: All right, Caleb, Uh, just love the concept that you

764
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,199
guys got going with the Wildcat set and who it's

765
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,159
for and who it's directed to. But I want to

766
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:16,599
I want to make a little bit of a left

767
00:42:16,599 --> 00:42:19,119
turn here, because there's another new club that you guys

768
00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:23,079
have recently announced that really has my interest.

769
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 4: Not that I don't love my p XG Driver, I

770
00:42:27,039 --> 00:42:27,960
do like it.

771
00:42:28,039 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 3: I still get my friends going WHOA when I when

772
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:37,199
I hit one nicely off t But you have joined again.

773
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,800
We talked about a revolution earlier. More and more people

774
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,199
are bringing back a mini driver. I guess that would

775
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:48,320
be a two would in the old days. But you

776
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:53,039
guys have just introduced one, the secret Weapon mini Driver,

777
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:58,960
And I'm sure that name didn't come out of your office,

778
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,880
But tell me about your involvement with that and why

779
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,360
we need to seriously consider a mini driver these days.

780
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I mean my role here at PXG, I'm

781
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,000
the director of our Metal Woods R and D, so

782
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,159
I do club design, I do the majority of our

783
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,519
driver design, and then my team works through all the

784
00:43:20,519 --> 00:43:24,440
Faarawoods and hybrids as well. So, so we were responsible

785
00:43:24,519 --> 00:43:28,159
for the secret Weapon, and you know, it's something that

786
00:43:28,199 --> 00:43:31,920
we we jumped on that we weren't really sure. It

787
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,920
was more of a research project at the time, based

788
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,280
on seeing kind of a couple of tour players that

789
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:40,239
were playing them and interested in them of hey, maybe

790
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,920
this is something to look at, and and the idea

791
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:47,440
came as you know, we there have been two woods,

792
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:52,039
we've had two woods before, but true mini driver that's

793
00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:54,599
almost I think of it as a fairwywood, like a

794
00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:57,880
three wood replacement that is more geared towards hitting off

795
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,440
the teeth. You know, a lot, Like I said, when

796
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,280
it comes to Wildcats set, a lot of players come

797
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,239
in for fittings and we go, hey, how do you

798
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:08,920
use your fairwaywood? Do you hit your three with more

799
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:10,199
off the tee? Do you hit off the deck? And

800
00:44:10,199 --> 00:44:11,960
they go, oh, I never hit it off the deck.

801
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,719
So in that case, it's like, hey, here's something that's

802
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,960
more designed for being used off the deck. And I

803
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,079
think the way we fit customers and reach customers with

804
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,519
fitters can kind of talk you through the advantages and

805
00:44:26,559 --> 00:44:28,599
disadvantages and how you would use it in your game.

806
00:44:29,079 --> 00:44:32,320
It lends itself well to things that aren't as traditionally

807
00:44:32,519 --> 00:44:35,840
part of a golf bag. It's a little different. We've

808
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,960
seen a ton of them the PGA Tour, and part

809
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,360
of that is, you know, again, PGA Tour players are

810
00:44:41,519 --> 00:44:44,559
built differently. They hit it so far that you know,

811
00:44:44,599 --> 00:44:47,559
We have Jake Napp who plays our secret weaponon tour,

812
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:53,519
and he he hits his secret weapon three hundred yards plus,

813
00:44:53,599 --> 00:44:56,039
so it's like he's like, oh, yeah, I hit it.

814
00:44:56,119 --> 00:44:59,719
He hits it ten times around sometimes and it's off

815
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,079
of tea and it's like he's he hasn't had a

816
00:45:02,119 --> 00:45:06,639
fairwywood into a green and I don't know, since I

817
00:45:06,679 --> 00:45:09,880
don't know if he turned fifteen, Like it's it's not.

818
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,519
He doesn't need a three wood that he can hit

819
00:45:11,559 --> 00:45:13,679
off the deck, so he wants something that is designed

820
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,639
for off the tee that he feels comfortable, and the

821
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,840
kind of the bigger head of the mini driver provides

822
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,840
more distance off the tee at deeper face and then

823
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,440
just more forgiveness on miss its too.

824
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 3: Okay, So for the recreational golfer who doesn't hit anything

825
00:45:29,079 --> 00:45:35,159
three hundred yards except two shots, why would I want

826
00:45:35,159 --> 00:45:37,960
to consider having a mini driver to replace my three wood?

827
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 2: I would say it's for players who who like to

828
00:45:41,079 --> 00:45:44,760
use a fairywood or something other than a driver off

829
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:49,000
a tee. It's shorter than a driver, so we again

830
00:45:49,039 --> 00:45:52,239
it's custom fit so you can adjust length, but we

831
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,840
have its stock at forty three and three quarters inches.

832
00:45:56,119 --> 00:45:59,920
It's kind of a low lofted fairy wood at thirteen degrees.

833
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,519
It's just you know, when you're going, ooh, this is

834
00:46:03,559 --> 00:46:05,000
the type part four, but I still kind of have

835
00:46:05,039 --> 00:46:06,800
to hit it a decent ways. I think it's a

836
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,360
great option to have something a little shorter in terms

837
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,719
of the club length with a little more loft to

838
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,280
be able to say I can be confident in hitting

839
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,440
this fairway. And it is something you know, we worked

840
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,960
with our tour players to make sure it was something

841
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,719
in a pinch they can hit off the deck too,

842
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,199
So it's not like a club that's it's not like

843
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,320
hitting driver off the deck. It's you know, fairwoods in general,

844
00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:29,840
three woods can be hard to hit from fairway, and

845
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,320
you know, this is I would say significantly easier to

846
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,920
hit off the tee than a three wood, but maybe

847
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:41,360
similar off the fairway. So for players who maybe struggle

848
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:46,199
with the fairway, would maybe who who want to, you know,

849
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,519
try something different to improve their their driving game and

850
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,559
have something they hit a little farther off the tee

851
00:46:51,559 --> 00:46:53,400
than a three wood, but more a little more consistent

852
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:54,599
than a driver. It's a great option.

853
00:46:55,159 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 4: What's the degree of loft on the mini driver.

854
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 2: So it's thirteen degrees and it's adjust so you can

855
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:02,400
go up or down a degree and a half, So

856
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,719
eleven and a half to fourteen and a half.

857
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,159
Speaker 4: Adjustable. And do you.

858
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 3: I've never wanted a mess with my clubs. It's like,

859
00:47:13,079 --> 00:47:16,239
oh adjusted because today I'm hitting the It's like that.

860
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:21,960
That to me is a recipe for disaster. Do you

861
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,000
recommend that once you have your fitting and you guys say,

862
00:47:25,039 --> 00:47:27,039
you know what, this is adjustable, but we're going to

863
00:47:27,079 --> 00:47:29,920
put you in fourteen degrees, leave it alone. If you're

864
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,840
having a bad day, just come back tomorrow. How do

865
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,360
you what do you suggest to people who want to

866
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:36,360
make those.

867
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 4: Adjustments on their own?

868
00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:41,679
Speaker 2: It depends on the person. I know. People like me,

869
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,599
I could say leave it, but I tinker with mine

870
00:47:44,679 --> 00:47:45,280
all the time.

871
00:47:45,519 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 4: So you're a club maker man, yeah.

872
00:47:48,599 --> 00:47:51,199
Speaker 2: I mean you get it if you know what's going on.

873
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,639
If you have like an understanding of hey, I think

874
00:47:53,679 --> 00:47:55,400
I need more spin or I need less spin, or

875
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:59,199
I'm hitting it too high or too low. Absolutely different areas.

876
00:47:59,199 --> 00:48:01,840
Maybe you're going to play at altitude you can use

877
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,559
a little more loft. Things like that are absolutely reasons

878
00:48:04,599 --> 00:48:07,960
to adjust them. You know, we try to make it

879
00:48:08,119 --> 00:48:10,920
very simple, so worst case, you can adjust it right back.

880
00:48:11,679 --> 00:48:14,079
But the other benefit is you can always just you know,

881
00:48:14,159 --> 00:48:16,760
call your fitter. Talk to your fitter, they'll work through it.

882
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,760
So you know, call it PXG, talk to our player

883
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,480
support team. They can talk you through. You know what

884
00:48:23,519 --> 00:48:25,360
you're dealing with, and you're going if you're going, hey,

885
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,639
i'm hitting it too low, here's a couple of options

886
00:48:27,679 --> 00:48:29,880
in terms of adjustability. We can try to help. You

887
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,679
can go into a store, they can get you on

888
00:48:31,679 --> 00:48:34,360
a monitor. We can kind of help get you sorted out,

889
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,639
so that adjustability is helpful. If you don't know how

890
00:48:37,679 --> 00:48:40,559
to adjust it. We have resources in terms of calling

891
00:48:40,599 --> 00:48:44,000
in or you know, some of the content we release

892
00:48:44,079 --> 00:48:46,760
on YouTube and things like that will help walk you

893
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,400
through it if you want to educate yourself on it.

894
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:54,519
I mean, I think it's fun to toy around with personally,

895
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:59,000
and some people say, hey, I am a golf nerd.

896
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,840
Absolutely there are some people out there who you know,

897
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,159
the benefit, like the adjustability is still a benefit, but

898
00:49:06,199 --> 00:49:08,719
it's a benefit in the fitting environment and once it's set,

899
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,920
leave it. And if that's you, that's fine too. But

900
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:16,239
I think it's still provides a lot of a lot

901
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,960
of value for that player because they are able to

902
00:49:19,159 --> 00:49:24,079
dial in exactly you know, loft and CG location that

903
00:49:24,119 --> 00:49:25,559
they wouldn't be able to get with a driver that

904
00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:26,800
didn't have that adjustability.

905
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,199
Speaker 4: But fascinating, fascinating.

906
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 3: Tell me about the fitting process that goes on for

907
00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:36,679
the average consumer and whether whether it's for you know,

908
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:41,239
we're not determining if they want to get the the

909
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,800
Wildcat set or a full set. What is the fitting

910
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,239
process and how is it determined what would be best

911
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:47,800
for that person?

912
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 2: So, I mean, yeah, fittings can be very different depending

913
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:56,360
on who you at, your ability. You know, it's going

914
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:00,360
to start with the same kind of static measurement on set,

915
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,639
not a firm like not it We're not measuring your

916
00:50:02,679 --> 00:50:06,159
actual height, but talking through it, Hey, how tall are you?

917
00:50:06,159 --> 00:50:08,000
You know, how long you've been playing? How often do

918
00:50:08,039 --> 00:50:10,760
you play? You know, it's a it's a conversation with

919
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,440
the fitter as you get warmed up. They're trying to

920
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:17,000
figure out what you're looking for, what you struggle with,

921
00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:21,239
what areas you know you are looking for improvement in

922
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,760
what you've been playing. Things like that to kind of

923
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,599
get to know you better as a player. Uh, they'll

924
00:50:27,639 --> 00:50:29,679
they'll take a look. If you bring in your old set, great,

925
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:33,920
If not, that's fine too, but kind of get you

926
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,760
started if you're you know, we do full back fittings

927
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,000
that are quite a while, but in terms of you know,

928
00:50:40,039 --> 00:50:42,159
they can. It's a lot of swings, so be ready

929
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:44,679
to for a little bit of a workout and not

930
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,559
a lot of us are used to hitting that many balls.

931
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:51,760
But our goal is really too our fitter is going

932
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,000
to try to get you into the proper model, proper

933
00:50:55,079 --> 00:50:59,519
chef length, li angle weight as few swings as possible,

934
00:50:59,639 --> 00:51:03,760
because is I think a lot of people don't have

935
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,880
enough swings that we all. You know, it takes a

936
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,920
while to warm up. Once you are in that warm zone,

937
00:51:10,119 --> 00:51:12,559
you have so many good swings before you start going downhill.

938
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,719
So our goal is always to get the proper club

939
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,880
to you as quickly as possible. Process. We do that

940
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,920
in a few ways. One way is we have a

941
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,239
you know, an internal fitting tool we use, which is

942
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,800
how our phone team operates. If you call in and

943
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,760
want to get fit, they'll they'll walk through some questions

944
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,039
and it'll based on all the fittings we've done. In

945
00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:36,519
the past, all that data, we use that to come

946
00:51:36,599 --> 00:51:39,440
up with a recommendation, and then we'll use that in

947
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,760
our if you come in this person as well, to

948
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:45,039
get to a starting point, so to go, Hey, here's

949
00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:47,320
three shafts in a model club and a length and

950
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,599
a lie. It recommends we can adjust from that. That

951
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,719
isn't gospel, but it's a good starting point. It's usually

952
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,920
pretty close. So we'll do that and then we can

953
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,119
kind of talk through and try a few different things. So,

954
00:51:58,559 --> 00:52:02,920
you know, a lot of people have experienced the hey,

955
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:04,880
let's try a little lighter, let's try a little heavier,

956
00:52:05,039 --> 00:52:07,000
let's try a little longer, let's try a little shorter,

957
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,400
and they're surprised sometimes to go. You know, I've played

958
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:14,039
stock stock stock my whole life. It's interesting. I actually

959
00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:17,159
like a lighter swingweight and a you know, a shorter

960
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,519
iron feels more consistent and I don't lose any speed

961
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,320
or you know whatever. The configuration is so more than anything.

962
00:52:24,599 --> 00:52:28,280
Fitting so important because you can just try different things

963
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:34,239
and tinker and get to understand, you know, what all

964
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,000
the things that can be changed in your equipment and

965
00:52:36,039 --> 00:52:39,239
what they're doing, and just whether it's so like the

966
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,920
wildcats out like we said, or up to tour players.

967
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,880
It makes golf easier. It's just being the proper ly

968
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,119
angle and the proper length makes it easier and mix

969
00:52:48,199 --> 00:52:51,199
all of contact and those things are just so important.

970
00:52:52,199 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 3: Absolutely well. And that's what we just heard from the

971
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,880
director of Metal Woods R and D kale Kalb cral Off.

972
00:52:59,159 --> 00:53:01,239
Thank you so much much for your time, for your

973
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:06,039
explanation and the introduction to this fascinating set. If somebody

974
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:10,840
is looking to get somebody into golf, this is you

975
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,079
can you know, direct them towards these clubs.

976
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 4: If there's you know, if you're senior and you're.

977
00:53:18,679 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 3: Looking to you don't need to carry that many clubs

978
00:53:21,039 --> 00:53:24,400
because you're not that accurate. You might want to look

979
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,480
into this as well. There's lots of reasons to look

980
00:53:27,519 --> 00:53:30,840
into it. And again I've been enjoying my Okay, I'm

981
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,159
not gonna make this.

982
00:53:32,519 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 4: That just made it the infomercial, but.

983
00:53:35,679 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 3: Caleb, thanks so much for your time and your information.

984
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 4: It's fascinating.

985
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,559
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it absolutely Thanks for having me