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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. We're

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getting reports from People magazine that Brian Cohberger visited the

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Mad Greek restaurant at least twice before the victims were killed. Now,

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we've talked about the Mad Greek here on this podcast,

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theorizing that that was the location that would be ground

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zero where it seems the most likely that Brian Cohberger

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would have any contact with Madison or Zana or kay

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one of them worked, And we know that Xana and

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Madison both worked at this restaurant. So you add this

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report that he went there at least two times to

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the other report of him following Madison, Zana, and kay

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Lee on Instagram, and you start to have that whole

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motive that some of these defense attorneys have been talking about. Now,

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of course, if you look at it just by itself, Okay,

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big deal, guy went to go get some vegan food,

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grabbed himself a vegan pizza.

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Speaker 2: What's the big deal. Well, if it was just this,

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it wouldn't be a big deal at all.

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Speaker 1: And if I was sitting on a Jerry and you

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just came with this and said, hey, look, he was

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at this place twice and Madison and Xana worked there,

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so we need to convict him.

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Speaker 2: I would laugh you out of the courtroom.

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Speaker 1: But when you add it all up with the other

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stuff we know, it all turns into some pretty damning stuff.

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For Brian Kohberger, I want to make sure that I add, however,

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that this is from an anonymous source. Right, we don't

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have anyone putting their name behind this. So there's going

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to be people out there who aren't going to believe

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these sources. There's people who are under the impression because

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there's a gag order, nobody's gonna say a word about

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what's going on. But from my experience over the past

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four and a half five years covering Jeffrey Epstein, Maxwell,

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Gabby Potito, goes on and on, there's always going to

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be leaks. And you have to remember it's not just

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gonna come from law enforcement. There's a lot of other

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people that are working on these cases. You have specialists,

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you have contractors. So inevitably people are gonna talk, and

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never mind employees or ex employees or friends, and especially

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if there's some money offered up for their time. Right,

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you think some of these outlets are above paying sources.

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They are not. And look, we can talk about the

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ethics when it comes to doing something like that as

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far as paying people for stories, but that's how a

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lot of that stuff gets out there. It's not always

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coming from the police or from the prosecution or from

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the defense. It's coming from other sources that might have

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access to case files or evidence or whatever.

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Speaker 2: So we have to keep that in mind.

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Speaker 1: Just because there's a gag order doesn't mean there aren't

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ways to a get around it if the prosecution or

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defense feels that they want to do that or b

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that there's going to be people out there who are

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working on the case in whatever capacity that aren't working

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for the police department or the FBI, and those people

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inevitably are going to leak a little bit of information

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from time to time. And these journalists at these bigger

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outlets like People here and some of the other outlets

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Fox and CNN, they're not paying for their stories, well

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at least they say they're not, so they have to

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develop sources. And a lot of times people will just

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talk to newspaper outlets or journalists because they want their

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story told. So we'll see a lot of that leading

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up to this trial, and we've talked about that previously.

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So it's no shock to me that people has a

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source that they've cultivated that's giving them what seems to

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be quality information. Now, of course, we always have to

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keep in mind that it might be BS. It might

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all end up being BS when the chips are down

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and there's a trial going on, it might end up

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being that this source was wrong, or this source was

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taking them for a walk. But I don't think that's

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the case here because it all adds up right. It's

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not some far fetched, nonsensical BS. You got a guy

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who's a vegan. He lives I don't know, eight miles

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or so roughly from the mad Greek who has a

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pretty good vegan menu, So chances are old boys probably

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gonna pop in there at some point. You don't have

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to be some kind of great investigator to put that together.

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And once you figure that out, well the rest of

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it's easy. Where else is he gonna run into these girls?

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I guess that'll bar or whatever. But is it as

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easy to start stalking somebody from a drunken encounter in

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a bar or you know where they work? Now you

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can sit on the place, you can case it, you

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can figure out their travel patterns, and before you know it,

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you know everything about them, basically from following them around

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from Afar And let's rewind back to the whole Kaylee

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had a stalker thing. All of it makes sense, right,

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and the pieces all start to add up. Now it

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is circumstantial, and none of this is locked in and

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guaranteed to be the truth, but it's certainly starting to

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smell like something's cooking here. So with all of that said,

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let's get into this article from People magazine and let's

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see what they came up with. Headline, Idaho suspect Brian

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Cohberger visited restaurant where two victims worked at least twice

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before killings. According to a former employee at the Mad

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Greek restaurant in Moscow, Idaho, Brian Cohberger came in at

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least twice to grab vegan pizza. This article was authored

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by Steve Helling. And I know there's some of you

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out there that are going to say, look, the Mad

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Greek already came out and said that he was never here. Well,

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did the Mad Greeks say that or did their lawyers

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tell them to say that. Remember, they're not obligated to

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tell us anything. They don't have to tell us the truth.

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They can come out there and tell us that there's

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fairies dancing around in Tutwo's in the waiting room, and

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that's why they can't give us information.

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Speaker 2: Whatever they want to say.

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Speaker 1: It's not like they're legally bound to tell anybody anything.

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Speaker 2: Besides the police.

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Speaker 1: So they could come out and say, we have no

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idea who Brian Coburger is. He is not familiar to us,

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but at the same time know that there's something else

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going on, as far as surveillance videos and as far

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as employees recognizing the fact that they might have served

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this dude. In the weeks before the slayings of four

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University of Idaho students last November, the man now accused

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of killing them allegedly ate at the restaurant where two

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of the victims worked. According to a former employee at

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the Mad Greek restaurant in Moscow, Idaho, Brian Coberger came

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in at least twice to grab a vegan pizza. Two

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of the victims, Madison Mogen and Xana Kernodle, were servers

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at the restaurant. It's unclear if either woman ever waited

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on Coburger or if they even interacted, but People confirms

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that a now deleted account that appeared to belong to

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Coburger once followed both Mogen and Kernodle on Instagram, along

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with the third female murder victim, Kaylee Gonsalves, And we're

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going to do an article on that as well coming up.

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But that was exactly what the suspicion I had was

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as well, that Coburger was following them on social media,

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because the account that I was looking at previously before

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it was scrubbed by Instagram certainly looked like the legitimate

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account of Brian Coberger. And then you go back and

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you do all of the digital forensics and tie it together,

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stuff that I'm not smart enough to do, to be

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honest with you, But when you look at what they

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found forensically linking it to an email address, and it

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certainly seems like that Instagram account, at least that one

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was actually Brian Kohberger's Instagram account. So when you add

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all of that up and you start putting that together,

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you have a little bit more than even foundational building blocks.

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At this point. You have a whole lass frame. People

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has also confirmed via an investigator familiar with the case,

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that law enforcement is aware of the restaurant visits and

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that investigators have interviewed employees and owners of the Mad Greek.

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They have also collected surveillance video from the restaurant and

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surrounding businesses.

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Speaker 2: So they definitely are our hip to.

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Speaker 1: What went on here, Meaning the investigators, there's no doubt

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that they've done their due diligence. Once again, if myself

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and other people were putting those pieces together, do you

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really think these FBI investigators and detectives weren't making you know.

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Speaker 2: Two plus two years of course they were.

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Speaker 1: It was now just about confirming that for them, making

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sure that their suspicions could be confirmed with evidence, and

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it certainly looks like there's going to be that evidence

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of him being at the Mad Greek. The former employee

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tells People that there was nothing suspicious about Coburger's visits

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to the Mad Greek, and that he only stood out

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because he had a particular order. A strict vegan, Coburger

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would check to make sure that his food had not

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come into contact with animal products, and that certainly tracks

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with what we heard previously about you know, relatives having

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to get new pots and pans before Brian Coberger came

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over for holiday meals and shit. So it certainly tracks,

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it weaves together, it ties together, and it seems as

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if this person, this source is telling the truth. Mogan, Kernodle, Gonsalves,

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and Ethan Chapin were stabbed to death in an off

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cap as rental home in Moscow, Idah, on November thirteenth.

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A massed intruder entered the home and killed the four

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students with a fixed blade knife. More than a month later,

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authorities arrested Coburger, a twenty eight year old graduate student

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and teaching assistant at Washington State University. He was charged

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with four counts of murder and one count of felony burglary.

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Coburger was arrested at his parents Pennsylvania home on December thirtieth.

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He waived his extradition to Idaho, meaning he voluntarily agreed

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to return to the state to face the charges against him.

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He was transported back to Idaho on January fourth. According

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to the probable cause affid David obtained by People, one

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of the victims surviving roommates said she saw the killer.

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The roommate described the figure clad in black clothing and

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a mask who walked past her as the person left

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the crime scene. And it's going to be interesting just

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to talk about that for a minute, to see how

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the prosecution goes about getting her store to the jury.

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Are they going to have her testify? Are they going

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to use a grand jury? So there's you know, several

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different things they can do, but it's going to be

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interesting to see which pathway they choose to go down.

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The affid David also alleged that Coburger was linked to

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the crime scene from DNA and cell phone pings. Authorities

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have not publicly disclosed the suspected motive in the killings.

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Coburger has not yet entered a plea, His next hearing

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isn't until June twenty sixth, and his attorneys have not

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returned people's messages for comment, and they're not going to.

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Don't expect Dan Taylor or anyone working on the case

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directly to speak to the media. That is not going

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to happen. The only information, like I've said before, is

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going to be the court filings and whatever people can

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get from leaks and sources that they develop all right, folks.

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So that's going to do it for this one. And

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if you'd like to contact you can do that at

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Bobby Kopuchi at proton mail dot com. That's b O

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