Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. We're
getting reports from People magazine that Brian Cohberger visited the
Mad Greek restaurant at least twice before the victims were killed. Now,
we've talked about the Mad Greek here on this podcast,
theorizing that that was the location that would be ground
zero where it seems the most likely that Brian Cohberger
would have any contact with Madison or Zana or kay
Lee at a place like this, right, a restaurant where
one of them worked, And we know that Xana and
Madison both worked at this restaurant. So you add this
report that he went there at least two times to
the other report of him following Madison, Zana, and kay
Lee on Instagram, and you start to have that whole
motive that some of these defense attorneys have been talking about. Now,
of course, if you look at it just by itself, Okay,
big deal, guy went to go get some vegan food,
grabbed himself a vegan pizza.
Speaker 2: What's the big deal. Well, if it was just this,
it wouldn't be a big deal at all.
Speaker 1: And if I was sitting on a Jerry and you
just came with this and said, hey, look, he was
at this place twice and Madison and Xana worked there,
so we need to convict him.
Speaker 2: I would laugh you out of the courtroom.
Speaker 1: But when you add it all up with the other
stuff we know, it all turns into some pretty damning stuff.
For Brian Kohberger, I want to make sure that I add, however,
that this is from an anonymous source. Right, we don't
have anyone putting their name behind this. So there's going
to be people out there who aren't going to believe
these sources. There's people who are under the impression because
there's a gag order, nobody's gonna say a word about
what's going on. But from my experience over the past
four and a half five years covering Jeffrey Epstein, Maxwell,
Gabby Potito, goes on and on, there's always going to
be leaks. And you have to remember it's not just
gonna come from law enforcement. There's a lot of other
people that are working on these cases. You have specialists,
you have contractors. So inevitably people are gonna talk, and
never mind employees or ex employees or friends, and especially
if there's some money offered up for their time. Right,
you think some of these outlets are above paying sources.
They are not. And look, we can talk about the
ethics when it comes to doing something like that as
far as paying people for stories, but that's how a
lot of that stuff gets out there. It's not always
coming from the police or from the prosecution or from
the defense. It's coming from other sources that might have
access to case files or evidence or whatever.
Speaker 2: So we have to keep that in mind.
Speaker 1: Just because there's a gag order doesn't mean there aren't
ways to a get around it if the prosecution or
defense feels that they want to do that or b
that there's going to be people out there who are
working on the case in whatever capacity that aren't working
for the police department or the FBI, and those people
inevitably are going to leak a little bit of information
from time to time. And these journalists at these bigger
outlets like People here and some of the other outlets
Fox and CNN, they're not paying for their stories, well
at least they say they're not, so they have to
develop sources. And a lot of times people will just
talk to newspaper outlets or journalists because they want their
story told. So we'll see a lot of that leading
up to this trial, and we've talked about that previously.
So it's no shock to me that people has a
source that they've cultivated that's giving them what seems to
be quality information. Now, of course, we always have to
keep in mind that it might be BS. It might
all end up being BS when the chips are down
and there's a trial going on, it might end up
being that this source was wrong, or this source was
taking them for a walk. But I don't think that's
the case here because it all adds up right. It's
not some far fetched, nonsensical BS. You got a guy
who's a vegan. He lives I don't know, eight miles
or so roughly from the mad Greek who has a
pretty good vegan menu, So chances are old boys probably
gonna pop in there at some point. You don't have
to be some kind of great investigator to put that together.
And once you figure that out, well the rest of
it's easy. Where else is he gonna run into these girls?
I guess that'll bar or whatever. But is it as
easy to start stalking somebody from a drunken encounter in
a bar or you know where they work? Now you
can sit on the place, you can case it, you
can figure out their travel patterns, and before you know it,
you know everything about them, basically from following them around
from Afar And let's rewind back to the whole Kaylee
had a stalker thing. All of it makes sense, right,
and the pieces all start to add up. Now it
is circumstantial, and none of this is locked in and
guaranteed to be the truth, but it's certainly starting to
smell like something's cooking here. So with all of that said,
let's get into this article from People magazine and let's
see what they came up with. Headline, Idaho suspect Brian
Cohberger visited restaurant where two victims worked at least twice
before killings. According to a former employee at the Mad
Greek restaurant in Moscow, Idaho, Brian Cohberger came in at
least twice to grab vegan pizza. This article was authored
by Steve Helling. And I know there's some of you
out there that are going to say, look, the Mad
Greek already came out and said that he was never here. Well,
did the Mad Greeks say that or did their lawyers
tell them to say that. Remember, they're not obligated to
tell us anything. They don't have to tell us the truth.
They can come out there and tell us that there's
fairies dancing around in Tutwo's in the waiting room, and
that's why they can't give us information.
Speaker 2: Whatever they want to say.
Speaker 1: It's not like they're legally bound to tell anybody anything.
Speaker 2: Besides the police.
Speaker 1: So they could come out and say, we have no
idea who Brian Coburger is. He is not familiar to us,
but at the same time know that there's something else
going on, as far as surveillance videos and as far
as employees recognizing the fact that they might have served
this dude. In the weeks before the slayings of four
University of Idaho students last November, the man now accused
of killing them allegedly ate at the restaurant where two
of the victims worked. According to a former employee at
the Mad Greek restaurant in Moscow, Idaho, Brian Coberger came
in at least twice to grab a vegan pizza. Two
of the victims, Madison Mogen and Xana Kernodle, were servers
at the restaurant. It's unclear if either woman ever waited
on Coburger or if they even interacted, but People confirms
that a now deleted account that appeared to belong to
Coburger once followed both Mogen and Kernodle on Instagram, along
with the third female murder victim, Kaylee Gonsalves, And we're
going to do an article on that as well coming up.
But that was exactly what the suspicion I had was
as well, that Coburger was following them on social media,
because the account that I was looking at previously before
it was scrubbed by Instagram certainly looked like the legitimate
account of Brian Coberger. And then you go back and
you do all of the digital forensics and tie it together,
stuff that I'm not smart enough to do, to be
honest with you, But when you look at what they
found forensically linking it to an email address, and it
certainly seems like that Instagram account, at least that one
was actually Brian Kohberger's Instagram account. So when you add
all of that up and you start putting that together,
you have a little bit more than even foundational building blocks.
At this point. You have a whole lass frame. People
has also confirmed via an investigator familiar with the case,
that law enforcement is aware of the restaurant visits and
that investigators have interviewed employees and owners of the Mad Greek.
They have also collected surveillance video from the restaurant and
surrounding businesses.
Speaker 2: So they definitely are our hip to.
Speaker 1: What went on here, Meaning the investigators, there's no doubt
that they've done their due diligence. Once again, if myself
and other people were putting those pieces together, do you
really think these FBI investigators and detectives weren't making you know.
Speaker 2: Two plus two years of course they were.
Speaker 1: It was now just about confirming that for them, making
sure that their suspicions could be confirmed with evidence, and
it certainly looks like there's going to be that evidence
of him being at the Mad Greek. The former employee
tells People that there was nothing suspicious about Coburger's visits
to the Mad Greek, and that he only stood out
because he had a particular order. A strict vegan, Coburger
would check to make sure that his food had not
come into contact with animal products, and that certainly tracks
with what we heard previously about you know, relatives having
to get new pots and pans before Brian Coberger came
over for holiday meals and shit. So it certainly tracks,
it weaves together, it ties together, and it seems as
if this person, this source is telling the truth. Mogan, Kernodle, Gonsalves,
and Ethan Chapin were stabbed to death in an off
cap as rental home in Moscow, Idah, on November thirteenth.
A massed intruder entered the home and killed the four
students with a fixed blade knife. More than a month later,
authorities arrested Coburger, a twenty eight year old graduate student
and teaching assistant at Washington State University. He was charged
with four counts of murder and one count of felony burglary.
Coburger was arrested at his parents Pennsylvania home on December thirtieth.
He waived his extradition to Idaho, meaning he voluntarily agreed
to return to the state to face the charges against him.
He was transported back to Idaho on January fourth. According
to the probable cause affid David obtained by People, one
of the victims surviving roommates said she saw the killer.
The roommate described the figure clad in black clothing and
a mask who walked past her as the person left
the crime scene. And it's going to be interesting just
to talk about that for a minute, to see how
the prosecution goes about getting her store to the jury.
Are they going to have her testify? Are they going
to use a grand jury? So there's you know, several
different things they can do, but it's going to be
interesting to see which pathway they choose to go down.
The affid David also alleged that Coburger was linked to
the crime scene from DNA and cell phone pings. Authorities
have not publicly disclosed the suspected motive in the killings.
Coburger has not yet entered a plea, His next hearing
isn't until June twenty sixth, and his attorneys have not
returned people's messages for comment, and they're not going to.
Don't expect Dan Taylor or anyone working on the case
directly to speak to the media. That is not going
to happen. The only information, like I've said before, is
going to be the court filings and whatever people can
get from leaks and sources that they develop all right, folks.
So that's going to do it for this one. And
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