Speaker 1: Oh bed of Fessor, Hello and welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: This is the Cult of Conspiracy and my name is
Speaker 2: Jonathan Jacob and today we bring back the legend.
Speaker 3: Yes, Donut, what to do? Brother? How are you yo?
Speaker 4: What up is Donnut? I'm great? Thank you for having
Speaker 4: me back on digitally because we got to hang out
Speaker 4: in person and that was cool.
Speaker 3: That was cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, just last night, we uh
Speaker 2: we had a show with the Biblical Hitmen, So that
Speaker 2: was cool getting them on the show for the first time.
Speaker 2: We were able to see them over at bro Grove
Speaker 2: and Dude, I told Jacob, I was like, it was
Speaker 2: really cool seeing everybody at BROHEMI and Grove. You were
Speaker 2: my favorite person that I saw there, Like, I was
Speaker 2: so stoked to see you over there, dude, dude.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's all right. I went to the first one
Speaker 4: on stage with Triple League. Then I didn't go to
Speaker 4: the second one because I was freaked out, And then
Speaker 4: the third one I went to this. Yeah, yeah, we
Speaker 4: we all let me go on stage with y'all. So
Speaker 4: that was time.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, we're talking about fucking aliens. We got to
Speaker 2: bring up Donut. I mean, the all of the the
Speaker 2: occult symbolism that you look into, like, you know, and
Speaker 2: what's interesting is is that real Recently, just a few
Speaker 2: days ago, we did a show on on Aliens, well
Speaker 2: not even necessarily on Aliens, but on the occult nature
Speaker 2: of like how NASA and all that shit started, and
Speaker 2: you know, getting into Jack Parsons and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: So you know, just I'm just gonna throw it out there,
Speaker 2: like with all of that being said with Jack Parsons
Speaker 2: and with Alistair Crowley and with all those fucking crazies
Speaker 2: that essentially helped vault NASA into what it eventually became.
Speaker 2: Propel it, if you will propel it, Yeah, Like, what
Speaker 2: do you think is actually going on with that?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: I look at it as like it's an occult ritual,
Speaker 2: and and I think that it's actually an o cult
Speaker 2: ritual every single time, every single launch, because it's always
Speaker 2: on very specific dates. Maybe it's on a solstice, maybe
Speaker 2: it's on an equinox, maybe it's on a you know,
Speaker 2: some like fancy occult date. But I mean, what do
Speaker 2: you make of NASA like in their beginnings and stuff?
Speaker 5: With this conversation, I gotta light the cholo candles. I
Speaker 5: didn't realize we're going to cult this early. Let me
Speaker 5: go ahead and light these bitches up.
Speaker 3: That's what we do, baby.
Speaker 4: Well the moon landing. That launch was like around July twentieth,
Speaker 4: which isn't occult day because it's the two to oh
Speaker 4: one day of the year. We had a event that
Speaker 4: went down called two to oh one, right before the
Speaker 4: entire world was locked down. There's two oh one episodes
Speaker 4: in the office. There's so much two oh one like
Speaker 4: all over the place, so it's like Illuminati number. There's
Speaker 4: even a new detachment too oh one, hiring four tech
Speaker 4: no crats to work for the military while they release
Speaker 4: a film called Mount and Head about four tech no
Speaker 4: crats controlling the world. So when we're speaking of the
Speaker 4: rocket program, that goes back tos. That goes back to
Speaker 4: Werner von Braun, who wrote a book called Project Mars
Speaker 4: about a group named Elon calling Nising Mars. And now
Speaker 4: who's the number one guy, the richest man in the world,
Speaker 4: supposedly Elon, who's having his great divorce and sabotaging President
Speaker 4: Trump's whole thing that he's been doing, which is not
Speaker 4: surprising to a conspiracy theorist who's been looking at his
Speaker 4: grandfather being connected to the SS and the technocratic agendas
Speaker 4: and all the stuff that we see on the world
Speaker 4: stage seems to be connected to the occult. Different egos
Speaker 4: are involved, different power structures. Right now, I'm finishing up
Speaker 4: re reading Nicolo Mcelvelli The Prince, which is so fun
Speaker 4: for me to study.
Speaker 6: One of my favorite books.
Speaker 5: I might add, not that I think it's a good
Speaker 5: book or that the powers that be should operate in
Speaker 5: a Machiavellian way of thinking, but at the same time,
Speaker 5: it's kind I read it in the same way I
Speaker 5: read like Dante's Inferno. Right. I don't take that as
Speaker 5: like a source of what hell actually looks like, but
Speaker 5: it is interesting to get a snapshot of what the
Speaker 5: minds of the day and age that were writing it
Speaker 5: believed that the royals should be operating at the level
Speaker 5: of scumbag entitlement, that they should and rightfully so bring
Speaker 5: to the table, and this, this and this, and it's like, bro,
Speaker 5: and I understand, there's a time and place for everything.
Speaker 5: Right to say the Godfather quote like keep your friends
Speaker 5: close and enemies closer. That's extremely Machiavelian, but man, it's yeah,
Speaker 5: kudos to you for reading that.
Speaker 6: I didn't know you were such a well read scholar.
Speaker 4: Sir, Well, this was more of a When I was
Speaker 4: twenty one, I bought this book read it highlighted a
Speaker 4: study at because I like to know about power, even
Speaker 4: the forty eight Laws of power. Being a teenager, I mean,
Speaker 4: what else do you want but money? Power? You know,
Speaker 4: and women like that's like the that's what we're programmed.
Speaker 4: Maybe scarface Scarface a Bronx tale says the quote, uh,
Speaker 4: fear over love and whatnot. But this book, I mean,
Speaker 4: it gets into conspiracies, it gets into principalities and how
Speaker 4: to retain power for a new prince, and it's a
Speaker 4: it's a good book, and I it's like taboo everyone.
Speaker 4: I bring it to the coffee shop or the bookstore
Speaker 4: and everyone asks what are you reading? And I'm like
Speaker 4: Macavelli And people get like freaked out because then they're like, oh,
Speaker 4: Backavelli and dark tri behavior, which is a real thing
Speaker 4: and people should be freaked out about right before you
Speaker 4: talk to them about it. They've read the book too,
Speaker 4: So there's like will the Power in a sense that
Speaker 4: where people are curious about it, but uh yeah, I'm
Speaker 4: looking at it because I want to read The Republic next,
Speaker 4: and then are Aristotle's ethics, But so I could be
Speaker 4: more well rounded reader.
Speaker 6: Like you said, I'll tell you what that.
Speaker 5: You combine those with Dale Carnegie's How to Win Friends
Speaker 5: and Influence people, you pretty much get the senses of
Speaker 5: what it takes to be like a Fortune five hundred ceo,
Speaker 5: because it doesn't just take one, it doesn't just take
Speaker 5: the other. It kind of takes the all encompassing. And
Speaker 5: then you read all of those and gain that knowledge,
Speaker 5: then go watch Donald Trump's speeches, or go watch some
Speaker 5: fortune five hundred company ceo giving his yearly speech to
Speaker 5: his company, and it's just like, Okay, now understand why.
Speaker 6: You do the things that you do.
Speaker 5: I understand why your speech pattern is this way, why
Speaker 5: your body language is this way, why you are on
Speaker 5: like a first name basis with even your janitor, And
Speaker 5: it's like, okay, I understand.
Speaker 6: Now there's literally a method to this madness.
Speaker 2: There was actually in Speaking of the Office that you mentioned,
Speaker 2: there was two hundred and one episodes. I didn't know
Speaker 2: that I've seen that. I've only seen the Office five times.
Speaker 6: But is there a cult symbolism here. I didn't know
Speaker 6: about Burt Well.
Speaker 2: In one of the Office episodes, Dwight Shrewd is getting
Speaker 2: ready to go up on stage and he's said he's
Speaker 2: like studying techniques that Hitler did, and he's like pounding
Speaker 2: on the desk and he's raising his voice and like
Speaker 2: he didn't even really know what the fuck he's saying,
Speaker 2: but he's getting the crowd all involved, and he feels
Speaker 2: like he's a king, you.
Speaker 3: Know, people going yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's it's crazy that you even mentioned the Office,
Speaker 2: and then Michavelly too.
Speaker 3: That's pretty cool.
Speaker 4: It's interesting because my next documentary being released next month
Speaker 4: is on the Office. I've been working on the script
Speaker 4: for four years studying. The show. Is gunder Mifflin, a
Speaker 4: money laundering mafia cartel organization with the occult symbols all
Speaker 4: throughout Scranton. It's Granton Mafia, a whole bunch of wild stuff,
Speaker 4: the finger Lakes that Joe Biden has tattooed on his back.
Speaker 4: Jim carreyes on the show he escaped the finger Lakes
Speaker 4: and he says people go missing there. So next month
Speaker 4: I'll be.
Speaker 6: Doing everything that Crete Ever says.
Speaker 4: Ever Creed. Yeah, he's like he's slashing people and stuff,
Speaker 4: and there's there's a lot of wild, wild stuff at it.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be a fun episode, but.
Speaker 2: It's crazy too because it's like, if it's just a show,
Speaker 2: why do they include all of this occult shit, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like it's just a just a
Speaker 2: regular old show being filmed in Hollywood talking about a
Speaker 2: fucking paper company, Like why should that have any accult
Speaker 2: into it? And people like it just goes right over
Speaker 2: the head. It's all sub conscious programming. Of course, check.
Speaker 4: Check this out. Episode thirty three is called Initiation. Of course,
Speaker 4: Dwight put Ryan Howard through a skull and bones ritual
Speaker 4: where he wants to put him in a coffin to
Speaker 4: recreate his death and fear. So there is stuff on there.
Speaker 4: I mean, come on. Episode thirty three is called the
Speaker 4: Initiation where they do a skull and bones ritual, So
Speaker 4: it's not there's some eaven potatoes to it.
Speaker 5: So one, is there any kind of a cult symbolism
Speaker 5: to the British version of the Office as well, or
Speaker 5: was this more of an American homegrown thing? Because this
Speaker 5: also kind of makes me think, especially as we're talking
Speaker 5: about level thirty three in the initiation all these things,
Speaker 5: how we have the British is like the base of
Speaker 5: operations for Freemasonry, and then America kind of took over
Speaker 5: in their own regarden all this. Is there any kind
Speaker 5: of a cult symbolism at the British office as well?
Speaker 4: It's an interesting take. I've never really fully watched it
Speaker 4: because I'm such a big fan of the first one.
Speaker 4: But the first episode is like the pilot episode. They
Speaker 4: did it like word for word and it was so funny.
Speaker 4: But bringing up the British Empire, like that's like what
Speaker 4: masonry serves as the British Empire has created there on
Speaker 4: June twenty fourth, right when Trump sabotaged Israel's regime change
Speaker 4: in Iran to have the ceasefire, which goes into some
Speaker 4: CIA operation just to it seems to keep it destabilized
Speaker 4: for forever wars. But the British Empire and all that
Speaker 4: with Masonry for sure, so the British connection. I never
Speaker 4: really watched that show, so I don't know if somebody
Speaker 4: here listening those, please put it in the comments.
Speaker 3: Because it was.
Speaker 2: Ricky Gervais is playing Steve Carrell's role I think, right, yeah, yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: I freaking love that guy. But yeah, it's like I
Speaker 2: would have to imagine that there would still be the
Speaker 2: same kind of not necessarily the same, that kind of symbolism.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure, you know, maybe it varies from
Speaker 2: country to country or whatever, but for something to be
Speaker 2: remade over here and just and be just as big
Speaker 2: and if not even bigger than the original one, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe that was some of the influence of the ritual.
Speaker 5: You know, there's been a few examples of like a
Speaker 5: British show that did well over there and then they
Speaker 5: made an American adaptation and it fucking skyrocketed, in my
Speaker 5: humble opinion, none more.
Speaker 6: So than The Office.
Speaker 5: I do believe it was a successful show in the UK,
Speaker 5: didn't have nearly the cult following or the fandom that
Speaker 5: the American Office did, ever, And Ricky Gervais is an
Speaker 5: amazing actor, amazing comedian, all the shit, But it's it's
Speaker 5: just an entirely different comedic set, right I mean, And yeah,
Speaker 5: Britain's more of the dry humor, and like I mean,
Speaker 5: The Office is a very dry humor and like, yes.
Speaker 4: Smart humor as well. Like Monty Python, I was wait, no,
Speaker 4: that's not Yeah, yeah, Python is the most brilliant humor
Speaker 4: out there. I grew up on that, so they wicked smile.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, and that dude, I've even I didn't realize
Speaker 5: how smart the Monty Python like a script was. For instance,
Speaker 5: the Holy Grail, remember that time when they go to
Speaker 5: the beast and it's a bunny, and this was just
Speaker 5: it was ridiculous that a rabbit was killing them all.
Speaker 6: I didn't realize.
Speaker 5: But as always Monty Python appealing to the back of
Speaker 5: the room and the front of the room at the
Speaker 5: exact same time. There are so many medieval manuscripts where
Speaker 5: these knights are fighting rabbits for no reason like this.
Speaker 5: There's no actual inherent danger of a rabbit. It's just
Speaker 5: a thing that these artists did on all these manuscripts.
Speaker 5: I thought that was just them being stupid, because so
Speaker 5: much of that movie was just stupid humor. I didn't
Speaker 5: realize that they were actually going very like a historical
Speaker 5: nod to these things. And then when you break down
Speaker 5: the entire movie that way, it's like, oh, that was
Speaker 5: all this was. It was stupid humor, but also incredibly
Speaker 5: intelligent humor at the same time. It's very well done.
Speaker 5: In my opinion.
Speaker 4: One of my favorite Monty Pythons is the Meaning of
Speaker 4: Life and it's just brilliant. They have a movie before
Speaker 4: it that's brilliant. The music, it's a I remember when
Speaker 4: I was in the seventh grade, totally brainwashed, but I
Speaker 4: was smart. I was smarter than the adults, but totally
Speaker 4: brainwashed to fall for the whole punk rock communist socialist movement.
Speaker 4: In a sense, that is the same thing going on
Speaker 4: today that we see with protests, Like there's this protest
Speaker 4: happening in Mexico right now, and looking at all the
Speaker 4: symbols that are given to us via hot topic. You know,
Speaker 4: if you have this anger and rage as a youth,
Speaker 4: which is a healthy thing. The elites know this, and
Speaker 4: then they'll give us a greta thunbird or some nobody
Speaker 4: like that for each side, the left and the right
Speaker 4: to get your anger moved into the twenty thirty United
Speaker 4: Nations agenda. But people think they're being rebellious and whatnot.
Speaker 4: So there's this protest happening in Mexico City right now,
Speaker 4: and just look at the symbols. Everything that they're wearing
Speaker 4: is the same shit that they're wearing hair in America
Speaker 4: at the No Kings protest or any protest we've seen,
Speaker 4: it's all communists, World communism, socialist agenda put on by
Speaker 4: the technocrats. Going back to the rocket thing with Elon,
Speaker 4: America is a republic, it's democracy. Is the demo, it's
Speaker 4: the mob, it's the mob rule. And Elon has been
Speaker 4: a known socialist. He's doing all these Roman symbols as well,
Speaker 4: which is intentional in a sense. He's doing national socialist symbols,
Speaker 4: I would say, or so than the.
Speaker 6: Roch watched Jonathan. We're not getting your heart to the
Speaker 6: crown on.
Speaker 4: Here, come on the Bellamy salute. We used to do
Speaker 4: that here in America. That's why I said the Roman salute.
Speaker 4: But I think that it's all roads do lead back
Speaker 4: to Rome in a lot of ways, especially what's going
Speaker 4: on in New York.
Speaker 6: Got the new mayor that's taking over.
Speaker 4: Yes, he's a socialist mayor, connected with the Squad and
Speaker 4: all that, and Bernie Sanaders and all. It's just an
Speaker 4: agenda being rolled out. But this agenda is a long
Speaker 4: planned agenda going back thousands of years for world communism.
Speaker 4: The Obama logo is the sun rising over the mountain.
Speaker 4: That's the symbol for world communism. You'll see a lot
Speaker 4: of fists like in the air, you know, color coding
Speaker 4: and all that. So you'll see like Greta Thumberg. Why
Speaker 4: is Greta Thumberg line up with with like radical Islam?
Speaker 5: That makes their socialist ask parents have trained her to
Speaker 5: be a part of Project mocking Jay essentially.
Speaker 4: So there's stuff that doesn't make sense on paper. When
Speaker 4: you look at the symbols of stuff, it just breaks
Speaker 4: down the whole thing and you're like, holy crap. Everyone's
Speaker 4: wearing like a camouflage type skin suit hiding behind the
Speaker 4: like the veneer, like that they're a part of a
Speaker 4: political party or an institution. Those might say yeah, with
Speaker 4: Maga or something, the dark Maga, But really there's this
Speaker 4: new party, this anarcho whatever party that he's called it.
Speaker 4: Elon the New America Party, which is not the Republic.
Speaker 4: Is what America was based off of. And what's happening
Speaker 4: through my understanding, And we live in a different time.
Speaker 4: So I'm not saying that the people that are putting
Speaker 4: out some of these new ideas, these tech elite, they
Speaker 4: could be correct, Like we live in a new time,
Speaker 4: like Iran's using these missiles that are just ancients. It's
Speaker 4: like a caveman fighting with chaplets.
Speaker 6: They really are.
Speaker 4: And then because there's AI now and there's AI weaponry
Speaker 4: and social engineering and all this, so we are on
Speaker 4: a different playing field, especially after nine to eleven in
Speaker 4: how interconnected the world has been. So things have changed
Speaker 4: and you got to keep up with the times. But America,
Speaker 4: the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, this is a republic.
Speaker 4: It's not a democracy, and it's not some new party.
Speaker 4: I'm just super pro constitution, like you know, that's like
Speaker 4: where I'm at.
Speaker 5: I agree, I wish we were more of a republic personally,
Speaker 5: because like by definition, we are a democratic republic, right,
Speaker 5: so like majority does rule, but also just for anybody listening,
Speaker 5: so if we were a true democracy, basically, if your
Speaker 5: entire neighborhood got together and voted and said we want
Speaker 5: to take your house from you, well, majority rule means
Speaker 5: that they can in fact take your house from you.
Speaker 5: A republic is where each individual has their own inherent
Speaker 5: rights that can't be taken away from them regardless of
Speaker 5: what majority rule says. So we kind of have this
Speaker 5: weird blending of a majority rule, but also we all
Speaker 5: have inherent inalienable rights.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 5: I wish, and I know this is an unpopular opinion
Speaker 5: by some. I wish we were a little more like
Speaker 5: Starship Troopers. And what I mean by that is basically,
Speaker 5: like you have to earn citizenship to be able to
Speaker 5: have your voice be heard. Like how many of these
Speaker 5: politicians have never I don't mean served their country like
Speaker 5: in a military since not what I mean, how many
Speaker 5: of these politicians have completely lost focus of what their
Speaker 5: constituent base actually wants, right, and these are the people
Speaker 5: that are enacting the change in laws that we all
Speaker 5: have to live in a bide bbe. I'm just saying,
Speaker 5: if hypothetically, everybody serving in DC and some sort of
Speaker 5: an elected official role right now had served as a cop,
Speaker 5: a firefighter, or a military member or a first response
Speaker 5: or something along these lines, I have a feeling that
Speaker 5: we as a nation would be a lot better off
Speaker 5: at this moment. I don't know that for a fact,
Speaker 5: but I just feel that I just wish we were
Speaker 5: a little bit more like that. Like just because you
Speaker 5: live here, that doesn't mean you have a right like
Speaker 5: the equal rights to have your voice be heard, like
Speaker 5: that's crazy to me. There's no barriers for entry, like
Speaker 5: the same way that you have to be an electrician
Speaker 5: with a with a you know, a card and a
Speaker 5: certification to run wiring in somebody's house. Right, It doesn't
Speaker 5: matter if you happen to say you know how to
Speaker 5: run wires, and I need to know that you know
Speaker 5: what you're talking about. I feel like the same should
Speaker 5: be said for our political system. You have to know
Speaker 5: what the fuck you're talking about in order to speak
Speaker 5: on what the fuck you're talking about.
Speaker 2: Well, Jacob, don't you remember the song this Land is
Speaker 2: Your Land, This Land is My land?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's a little bit everybody's. But I do, I do
Speaker 2: understand what you're trying to say. And by the way,
Speaker 2: if we're getting a cult here, dude, are both rocking
Speaker 2: the red shades.
Speaker 3: Let me throw these bad boys on. Make it a
Speaker 3: red threesome.
Speaker 2: But you were talking about Elon there for a little bit, dude,
Speaker 2: have you guys seen that Elon created a fucking presidential party.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that's what I'm talking about, So the New
Speaker 4: America Party.
Speaker 3: Right right?
Speaker 2: And I I well, I think I was searching it
Speaker 2: as you were saying it's sorry about that, but.
Speaker 4: No, it's just like the whole demo mob Republic. Now
Speaker 4: he's creating a new party. That's why I was trying
Speaker 4: to highlight just the Republic. I didn't really get much
Speaker 4: into the New America Party.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I just heard about this, like literally earlier today,
Speaker 2: and yeah, he's forming the the the American Party or
Speaker 2: the New America Party. And what's interesting is is that
Speaker 2: he can't even run, but he can he can essentially
Speaker 2: appoint the person that would run. And if that's not right, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, if that's not you know, technocratic, that that
Speaker 2: would be the Technocratic Party, right, That's what you would think.
Speaker 2: And you could argue that essentially that they're all kind
Speaker 2: of technocratic at this point if we're just being real,
Speaker 2: Like you got Trump taken on JD. Vance, who had
Speaker 2: ties to Peter Teal and all of that weird like
Speaker 2: like a monitoring and big Brother Ring of America and
Speaker 2: collecting all of the data and weird shit. Whenever you
Speaker 2: hear like quotes from Peter Teal, like he believes that
Speaker 2: the end like the the end.
Speaker 3: Result of what we will.
Speaker 2: Eventually become is merging man with machine like he absolutely
Speaker 2: believes that, like without a shadow of a doubt, that
Speaker 2: is where humanity is evolving to. And dude, and it's
Speaker 2: not even just like a weird conspiracy there anymore. Like
Speaker 2: he said it, he said what we're doing.
Speaker 4: He's a Malthusian, he's writing books about it, and he's
Speaker 4: the steering committee of the Builderberg Group. Right, And the
Speaker 4: topic of conversation this year with Ai is depopulation. That
Speaker 4: was one of the highlights of that, which goes into
Speaker 4: the whole Maentthhusian point of crisis, which is a manufactured
Speaker 4: lie to create a crisis, to depopulate in a sense
Speaker 4: of scary stuff.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I think that that's always been their goal too,
Speaker 5: because they realized that people, especially after.
Speaker 6: The baby Boomber generation, they just was fucking right.
Speaker 5: They were just making these babies left, right and center,
Speaker 5: and it got so large that you know, I'm not
Speaker 5: saying that they can't still control the mob.
Speaker 6: They very easily can.
Speaker 5: COVID is a prime example of that, right, But I
Speaker 5: think that they also use that as a social experiment,
Speaker 5: and they saw how many people would not be controlled,
Speaker 5: and they realized that, man, this number is kind of
Speaker 5: getting too big.
Speaker 6: And it's not that we don't have enough land.
Speaker 5: There is more than enough land for everybody on this
Speaker 5: earth to live comfortably. There is more than enough food,
Speaker 5: and resources and oil and clean water are all of
Speaker 5: these things. However, everybody gets super tribal, everybody gets super nationalistic,
Speaker 5: which I'm not inherently against, but I get people's talking
Speaker 5: points against it.
Speaker 6: I do.
Speaker 5: But that being said, it's people hoarding resources and they're
Speaker 5: making it seem like we are in a season of
Speaker 5: scarcity on this earth when we're really not so. Broad picture,
Speaker 5: if we were to cut the Earth's population by ten percent,
Speaker 5: as Bill Gates and as a Pallenteer and Teal and
Speaker 5: all these other entities have said, yeah, it makes it
Speaker 5: a lot easier to manage, right, Think of a teacher
Speaker 5: in a classroom. A classroom of forty five kids is
Speaker 5: a lot harder to manage than the classroom with fifteen kids.
Speaker 6: That's just basic math.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And also with the I wanted to bring something
Speaker 4: up about the population and birth rates, and like America,
Speaker 4: where we're at psychologically, a lot of people are super
Speaker 4: in fear and stuff. And just the way that I've
Speaker 4: been sort of looking at it is that people, Uh
Speaker 4: don't want to die for America anymore. Like you talk
Speaker 4: to people on the street, Uh, they're because they're like, oh,
Speaker 4: it's not America anymore, it's foreign interest in all that.
Speaker 4: You know. It's like there's all these different talking points,
Speaker 4: but at the end of the day, they there's uh.
Speaker 4: And you could see this in the mainstream, like at
Speaker 4: public speaking events that people wouldn't want to die for
Speaker 4: America because they don't own any land, they don't have
Speaker 4: any vested interests there, they don't have a family, and
Speaker 4: the population is collapsing what Elon talks about, and he
Speaker 4: shows a graph that says two oh one on his
Speaker 4: depopulation graph that people aren't having kids anymore and this
Speaker 4: is going to be more apparent within the next like
Speaker 4: generation where there's going to be no grandkids. Like it's
Speaker 4: so this depopulation thing is happening, but it is happening
Speaker 4: in religious communities. Religious communities. Israel is the number one
Speaker 4: birth rate place there and it makes me kind of
Speaker 4: think about what you're saying about national kind of stuff,
Speaker 4: but it's something to look into. The Muslim birth rate
Speaker 4: also is exploding.
Speaker 5: They skyrocket and they're allowed to have more than one wife,
Speaker 5: so you'll have that, you.
Speaker 4: Know, And so that's also a strategic thing. I heard
Speaker 4: that the Mormons they were able to have more than
Speaker 4: one wife for military purpose. That's kind of what I
Speaker 4: heard when I was in Utah. Makes sense, It makes
Speaker 4: a lot of sense.
Speaker 6: That was at least that was what they were founded on.
Speaker 5: Allegedly they don't practice polygamy any more, however, Yeah, that's
Speaker 5: it's a strategic move, It absolutely is. I think any
Speaker 5: civilization where you don't have it has to be over
Speaker 5: two point five kids per household, and your civilization is
Speaker 5: growing and therefore thriving. If it gets below two point
Speaker 5: five kids per household, your nation and your culture is
Speaker 5: on the decline. Currently America is that was like two
Speaker 5: point one two point three something, and it's like it's
Speaker 5: starting to like go down. But also that's not going
Speaker 5: to take one more generation to completely drop off. And
Speaker 5: so you're one hundred percent right on this.
Speaker 4: And so since these populations are declining, the urban mono
Speaker 4: culture like the left, the socialists, these ideologies that are
Speaker 4: just absolutely wacky that we've seen over the last like
Speaker 4: eight years or longer, just really on the foreground political
Speaker 4: correctness and all that they have to import people to
Speaker 4: join that cult. So that's why the open border works
Speaker 4: for that agenda, to get people to join this certain quote,
Speaker 4: this different type of thinking which takes over the brain.
Speaker 4: And yeah, it's interesting in Japan, in Japan, it's happening
Speaker 4: in Korea. There's towns in Japan where men won't even
Speaker 4: leave their house. Their parents bring them food, and they're
Speaker 4: just on screens all day playing. It's interesting. But there's
Speaker 4: a book by Freud called Civilizations in its Discontents. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and I think what we're seeing is that society would
Speaker 4: have collapsed like maybe like twenty years ago, but the
Speaker 4: people understand the psychology, so they give us the horror films,
Speaker 4: the violent video games Call of Duty. These cathartic moments
Speaker 4: getting Trump elected and getting Biden elected and getting Trump,
Speaker 4: these are cathartic moments for the masses. Uh, So they
Speaker 4: don't go out and destroy everything, even though like open
Speaker 4: it up and be like go protest, have fun. There's
Speaker 4: something deeper going on, especially with the AI too. The
Speaker 4: AI Twitter, for example, which was created on three two two,
Speaker 4: Like the first post by Jack Dorsey was on three
Speaker 4: two two. If you look it up, it might say
Speaker 4: three two one, but in another country it says three
Speaker 4: two two, so it kind of changes, which is like
Speaker 4: skull and bones type number.
Speaker 6: But right, they are able.
Speaker 4: To predict civil and rest quicker than the police can
Speaker 4: through the data. So this is why Elon purchased Twitter
Speaker 4: and open up free speech. It has nothing to do
Speaker 4: with free speech. It has everything to do with data
Speaker 4: collection for the AI, for the algorithm. And now we've
Speaker 4: entered a new phase of AI learning where it's learning
Speaker 4: the environment. So when you're seeing protest happen, the number
Speaker 4: one thing you'll see highlighted is setting way mos on
Speaker 4: fire or jumping on top of the Weimo. That is
Speaker 4: on purpose because the Weimo. I live in a smart city,
Speaker 4: so we got way mos everywhere.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that fucked me up.
Speaker 5: When I went to Scottsdale and saw weaimo's, I didn't
Speaker 5: know this existed. And people in the comments whenever I
Speaker 5: mentioned this, like, oh, Jacob, so behind the times.
Speaker 6: Listen. I don't have self driving cars in Louisiana. That's
Speaker 6: just wild.
Speaker 5: You call on a taxi and it's going to bring
Speaker 5: you the location with no human interface. That fucking freaks
Speaker 5: me out. But yeah, waimos were everywhere in Scottsdale.
Speaker 4: So the new phase of AI that's happening now before
Speaker 4: the deluge of AI bots, which is going to happen
Speaker 4: in six months or to a year, where we're not
Speaker 4: going to know reality through fiction and on the Internet,
Speaker 4: we're not going to know what's real and what's not.
Speaker 4: And the only way to the only way to verify
Speaker 4: that you're a human is by scanning your iris, getting
Speaker 4: a one two eight digit IRIS code with the ORB
Speaker 4: But you'll get some cryptocurrency by getting your digital passport
Speaker 4: onto the new Internet. And I think that's going to
Speaker 4: be the reset of the Internet, not the cyber event
Speaker 4: that the World Economic Forum has said will be the
Speaker 4: next lockdown. I think it's going to be this deluge
Speaker 4: of AI bots that will ultimately bring it in to verify,
Speaker 4: because we already hit the verify if you're a robot.
Speaker 4: To verify your robot, it's going to scan your IRIS code.
Speaker 4: But the way mos when the protesters are setting it
Speaker 4: on fire, that's so it can learn how the animals
Speaker 4: which I mean us as animals being studied by the
Speaker 4: AI is learning in real time the behavior.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just picking up on all the algorithms, all
Speaker 2: the information, what you know. It's like essentially it's almost
Speaker 2: creating its own Hegelian dialect.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like it already knows what it needs to have
Speaker 2: a specific outcome, but let's just you know, throw some
Speaker 2: peanuts to the animals and see how they react to it.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: And the whole burning of a Weimo car is seen
Speaker 5: as by the protesters as a victimless crime, right because
Speaker 5: no one is getting injured in this. The only person
Speaker 5: that's losing money is the Waimo company, but they have insurance,
Speaker 5: so fuck them anyway, right, And it's it's seen as
Speaker 5: just a way to get the same optics. You get
Speaker 5: a burning car and the people are rioting and it's
Speaker 5: a whole thing. But you didn't torch a police car.
Speaker 5: Now there's like multiple people being brought to jail on
Speaker 5: all these things. It's quote unquote a victimless crime. But
Speaker 5: to your point, they are absolutely cause they're just like
Speaker 5: calling for a Waimo to come pick them up from
Speaker 5: a protest site and then as soon as it pulls up,
Speaker 5: they're torching it. So the algorithm is learning their tactics
Speaker 5: and it's learning how Uh, if we are going to
Speaker 5: take this and put it to like a wartime conversation
Speaker 5: or like a thing like this, this would be what
Speaker 5: we would say is intel.
Speaker 6: Right, troop movement, what is the most likely course of action?
Speaker 5: Are they going to fight? Are they going to retreat?
Speaker 3: What is this?
Speaker 6: What size are they? What are they wearing?
Speaker 5: All the this is intel that would go into setting
Speaker 5: up the basis for a military operation. WEAMO and all
Speaker 5: the other AI companies and all the technocrats, if you will,
Speaker 5: they're just collecting all this information for what comes next.
Speaker 4: And this is yeah, and WEIMO is YouTube, so YouTube
Speaker 4: runs weaymo, it's Google, and that's why YouTube. Yeah, YouTube
Speaker 4: open up free speech as well. That has nothing to
Speaker 4: do with the First Amendment. This is everything to do
Speaker 4: with gathering the data over the last few years. And
Speaker 4: also you probably noticed like a algorithmic push of racism
Speaker 4: just being rampant on the internet. Oh yeah, that's that's say,
Speaker 4: a cult agenda by the technocrats. It's called accelerationism. So
Speaker 4: even stuff like that that you think is rebellious is
Speaker 4: actually playing in the hands of the illuminati.
Speaker 2: It's almost like, you know, it clamps down on all
Speaker 2: of you, your freedoms and all of your rights, and
Speaker 2: it tells you what you can't do, and people feel
Speaker 2: a little squeezed. So then you have, you know, shows
Speaker 2: like this that inevitably are born right because well, we're
Speaker 2: going to stand up for the First Amendment, in the
Speaker 2: Second Amendment and all of our you know, constitutional rights
Speaker 2: and just rights of being a human right. And then
Speaker 2: it almost starts to release its tension a little bit
Speaker 2: so that it can collect a lot more information so
Speaker 2: that the bigger, more more profound choking of society and
Speaker 2: choking of you know, your right to say whatever you want.
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be even more strict than
Speaker 2: it ever was before, because now it knows what to
Speaker 2: do with it. It's very articulate if you think about it,
Speaker 2: and you know, just thinking about AI, like you know,
Speaker 2: they they tried to, they tried to really put the
Speaker 2: noose around a lot of people's next as far as
Speaker 2: free speech, you know, UH is going or was going
Speaker 2: just a few years ago. But now you include AI
Speaker 2: into it, I mean, you think about it. Fucking Elon
Speaker 2: is the one that created open ai in the first place.
Speaker 2: Open Ai, which eventually became chat Gibt and all these
Speaker 2: other you know, artificial intelligence kind of programs and stuff.
Speaker 2: I mean, and then he creates Grock. He you know,
Speaker 2: well he bought Twitter, he creates Grock. People are now
Speaker 2: you know, jumping from back back and forth from Grok
Speaker 2: and chat Gibt and all that kind of stuff. And
Speaker 2: it's interesting that he's gonna be the one that is
Speaker 2: creating this third party. And you know, let's just be real,
Speaker 2: There's never been any solid traction in any third party
Speaker 2: ever in the history of America. There's never been a
Speaker 2: fucking snowballs chance in hell that a third party would
Speaker 2: ever win. I would actually, I mean, you know, you
Speaker 2: got to give a little credence to Kanye's birthday party.
Speaker 2: It was cute, but nobody ever believed that it was
Speaker 2: ever going to be a real thing.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: But Elon, for example, you know, he was really walking
Speaker 2: hand in hand with Trump, with all of the doge
Speaker 2: and everything else, and you know, dark Maga and all
Speaker 2: that other kind.
Speaker 3: Of crazy stuff.
Speaker 2: But now he's starting this one, and I believe that
Speaker 2: a lot of people are really going to get behind it.
Speaker 3: And so I looked up this.
Speaker 2: Truth I guess they're called on truth social and Trump
Speaker 2: actually posted about this what was it yesterday? He goes,
Speaker 2: I am saddened to watch Elon Musco completely off the rails,
Speaker 2: essentially becoming a train wreck over the past five weeks.
Speaker 2: He wants to start a third political party, despite the
Speaker 2: fact that they have never succeeded in the United States.
Speaker 2: The system seems not designed for them. The one thing
Speaker 2: that third parties are good for in the creation of
Speaker 2: complete and total disruption and chaos, and we have enough
Speaker 2: of that with the radical left Democrats who have lost
Speaker 2: their confidence and their minds. Republicans, on the other hand,
Speaker 2: are a smooth running machine that just passed the biggest
Speaker 2: bill of its kind in the history of the country.
Speaker 2: It's a great bill, but unfortunately for Elon, it eliminates
Speaker 2: the ridiculous electric vehicle mandate, which would have forced everyone
Speaker 2: to buy an electric car in a short period of time.
Speaker 2: I have been strongly opposed to that from the very beginning.
Speaker 2: People are now allowed to buy whatever they want, gasoline
Speaker 2: powered hybrids which are doing very well, or new technologies
Speaker 2: as they come out. No more ev mandate. I have
Speaker 2: campaigned on this for two years, and quite honestly, when
Speaker 2: Elon gave me his total and unquestioned endorsement. I asked
Speaker 2: him whether or not he knew that I was going
Speaker 2: to terminate the ev mandate. It was in every speech
Speaker 2: I made and in every conversation I had. He said
Speaker 2: he had no problem with that. I was very surprised. Additionally,
Speaker 2: Elon asked that one of his close friends run NASA,
Speaker 2: and while I thought his friend was very good, I
Speaker 2: was surprised to learn that he was a blue blooded
Speaker 2: Democrat who had never contributed to the Republican to a
Speaker 2: Republican before Elon probably was also. I also thought it
Speaker 2: was inappropriate that a very close friend of Elon who
Speaker 2: was in the space business, run NASA when NASA was
Speaker 2: such a big part of Elon's corporate life. My number
Speaker 2: one charge is to protect the American public, and I
Speaker 2: find it interesting that Trump says this. I find I mean,
Speaker 2: I agree with a lot of the things that he said,
Speaker 2: but how he's talking about how the Republican Party is
Speaker 2: running like a well oiled machine. That's a very recent thing,
Speaker 2: and I wouldn't even say that it's running very well either.
Speaker 5: That's a bold statement, especially because most Republicans can't stand
Speaker 5: Donnie t right.
Speaker 6: They fall in line. But they don't like him.
Speaker 5: That's why so many of them were talking shit while
Speaker 5: he was campaigning both times, I might add, and as
Speaker 5: he's talking about how a third party has never succeeded
Speaker 5: by bup up, I have a.
Speaker 6: Theory working as of this moment.
Speaker 5: And as much as we're talking about Elon starting his
Speaker 5: own party, I am personally of the belief that Donnie
Speaker 5: T might spearhead a MAGA party soon once his.
Speaker 6: Term of office is up.
Speaker 5: And I've said this before as far as like right now,
Speaker 5: we have a realistic possibility of a Trump dynasty running
Speaker 5: the country for the next twenty years. Both of his
Speaker 5: sons might run it. Ivanka could run it. Barn when
Speaker 5: he gets of age, could run it. Then, like if
Speaker 5: Donnie T continues to do positive things, people would.
Speaker 6: Vote for it just off the name alone.
Speaker 5: And I could envision a world hypothetically where they are
Speaker 5: not running under a Republican ticket, They're running under a
Speaker 5: MAGA ticket, and they have the juice and the backing
Speaker 5: and the public eye enough to actually have a third
Speaker 5: party run.
Speaker 6: And possibly succeed.
Speaker 5: So as much as he's stroking the Republican cock here,
Speaker 5: let's keep it real, like let's keep it one hundred
Speaker 5: percent and then one thou while most Republicans don't fuck
Speaker 5: with Donnie Trump, like that's a fact.
Speaker 6: So I don't know what to make of it.
Speaker 5: It is a real possibility that we have a four
Speaker 5: way runoff in the next if not one or two elections,
Speaker 5: depending on how this shit shakes out.
Speaker 2: Man, it'll be interesting to see too, because I mean,
Speaker 2: just looking at the eagle, the fucking thing only has
Speaker 2: two wings, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: It's got a tail feather though, but it's got tails.
Speaker 2: And the tail is the balancer. So if you think
Speaker 2: about it like that, you know, maybe it does need
Speaker 2: a third party. I mean, uh, it's it's gonna get
Speaker 2: It's like Terrence McKenna said, dude, it's just gonna.
Speaker 3: Get weirder and weirder and weirder as time goes on.
Speaker 2: And we're living in a fucking We're living in strange
Speaker 2: ass times.
Speaker 4: So Terrence McKenna talked about memes in the future, how
Speaker 4: memes we're going to take over. And this was before
Speaker 4: like the Internet, and we see a famous meme of
Speaker 4: the three like Musketeers with Trump, Elon and Kanye and
Speaker 4: in this meme that Elon created and shared out. Trump
Speaker 4: looks like a fool in this picture, and then there's
Speaker 4: Elon in the middle. And then Kanye. Kanye started his
Speaker 4: own party as well, so he said he was with Trump,
Speaker 4: but then totally backstabbed him and made his own party.
Speaker 4: Elon was with Trump, they're both friends, both hanging out
Speaker 4: on Saturnalia. He started his own party, So there's just
Speaker 4: some sort of pattern recognition there. I do think Ivanka
Speaker 4: will be the president more so than everybody else.
Speaker 5: Are you saying that because of her husband?
Speaker 4: Not really?
Speaker 6: No, okay, ties to Israel.
Speaker 5: I was just making sure where the connections being made here,
Speaker 5: that's all in Russia.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. The reason why is every time she does
Speaker 4: a picture, she's doing the triad claw. So she's doing
Speaker 4: the secret society symbol that Adolph did that, Candice Owens
Speaker 4: does that, Napoleon Bonaparte, all these like famous people do
Speaker 4: this triad claw hand symbol which looks like throwing up
Speaker 4: like a West Coast sign, and she's just more positioned.
Speaker 4: I've read a lot of her articles and and all that,
Speaker 4: but having Jared Kushner Mary into that elite bloodline as
Speaker 4: well is not gonna hurt her.
Speaker 3: At all. You know, Oh, you're talking about the daughter.
Speaker 2: I thought you. I always get the names mixed up.
Speaker 2: I thought you were talking about the wife there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, actually, Malnia Trump ain't going nowhere near this calm down.
Speaker 4: And also Trump was a Democrat. He had Hillary Clinton
Speaker 4: in his pocket. She went to his weddings because he
Speaker 4: owned her. Yeah, financially like donated to her. So there's
Speaker 4: just a lot of weird stuff going on. And going
Speaker 4: back to the Uh, oh, there's that triad claw. I
Speaker 4: don't know what the heck it means. I have no idea.
Speaker 6: It's crypto Judaism, it says.
Speaker 2: The triad claw is a Morano gesture which signals the
Speaker 2: letters M and W, symbolizing sixty six to six from
Speaker 2: the three v's.
Speaker 3: The letter V is.
Speaker 2: A waw waw in Hebrew and vov and Gumatria sorry,
Speaker 2: and is the sixth letter in both. The hand sign
Speaker 2: has been linked to Freemasonry, but predates it back to
Speaker 2: approximately the twelve hundreds. Many have tied the hand sign
Speaker 2: to the Rosicrucians, the Jesuits, and the Knights of Malta.
Speaker 2: According to Britannica, Rosicrucian teachings are a combination of occultism
Speaker 2: and other religious beliefs and practices, including Hermeticism, Jewish mysticism,
Speaker 2: and Christian gnosticism. The central figure of Rosicrucianism is the
Speaker 2: belief that its members possesses secret wisdom that was handed
Speaker 2: down to them from ancient times. So, yeah, that's I
Speaker 2: don't like you.
Speaker 4: Like, I don't know where the sources are, you know.
Speaker 4: For I've been looking at the symbol for a while,
Speaker 4: read a lot of different pages on it, and I
Speaker 4: don't know what it means. People are like, oh, it
Speaker 4: means Mason because it's an m or you know, I
Speaker 4: if somebody has a source of what it actually is.
Speaker 4: But it's something, there's something there with it, and it's
Speaker 4: something I've been documenting for a while. So Avanka always
Speaker 4: does this hand jester, like when she was at Venice
Speaker 4: at the Bezos wedding. There's a lot of pictures of
Speaker 4: her doing it. Jeff Bezos is doing it as well,
Speaker 4: So I don't know, she seems to be the that's
Speaker 4: so that's what I think.
Speaker 3: I say it, dude, I mean looking at it.
Speaker 2: Why is it that always the middle finger and the
Speaker 2: ring finger are always together and all like now that
Speaker 2: like it's like once you see it, you know you've
Speaker 2: seen it a million times.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's also not an unnatural like placement of
Speaker 5: your hand if you like put it on your hip.
Speaker 5: I'm not saying you're guaranteed to do it, but it's
Speaker 5: also not the craziest.
Speaker 4: Thing ever good. I don't know, that's a great point.
Speaker 5: It also might just be one of those slight, little
Speaker 5: undertones to where if you know what you're looking for,
Speaker 5: you see it. But to us, we would just see
Speaker 5: it as nothing crazy.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I got a hard time really wrapping my head around things.
Speaker 5: Whenever they bring in Judaism and the Jesuits and the
Speaker 5: Free Masons all in a cabal against It's like, okay,
Speaker 5: you understand that the Jesuits and the Masons hate each other.
Speaker 5: The Pope said that if you're a Mason, you're excommunicating
Speaker 5: from the church.
Speaker 6: You did that in the nineteen fifties.
Speaker 5: The Jews and the Jesuits, the Jews and the Catholics
Speaker 5: have never gotten along, not since the fucking Crusades.
Speaker 6: And it's like, so we're talking about three individual.
Speaker 5: Entities that do not work together, hate each other at
Speaker 5: their core and somehow they're all together to run the world.
Speaker 6: It's like, I just I don't see it. I don't know.
Speaker 4: And you see there's the Ivanka one too. Yeah, never
Speaker 4: seen that one, and that's an older one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's back whenever uh doing the show.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it says Ivanka Trump is an American businesswoman.
Speaker 2: She is the second child of Donald Trump and his
Speaker 2: uh and his first wife Evanna. Oh this is wait
Speaker 2: is this Evanna or Ivanka? Okay, oh that makes sense. Yeah,
Speaker 2: then it just goes into who she was and married
Speaker 2: to Jared Jared Kushner and whatever.
Speaker 3: But yeah, dude, I don't know if Teddy Broosevelt threw
Speaker 3: it up.
Speaker 6: Oh no, no, see it's on his hip.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Teddy Brosevelt. You got fucking Cavanaugh here, Alexander Hamilton,
Speaker 2: Roger Bacon, Mary Queen of Scot's Schools, Sir Philip Sidney.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and it's is that really what they're doing?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: But it's interesting because you see, especially like these Shakespearean
Speaker 2: looking type of pictures, you always and they're always drawn right,
Speaker 2: So they're doing it on purpose. It's not like an
Speaker 2: accident kind of thing, because every single stroke of a
Speaker 2: brush or of a pencil or whatever. It's always you know,
Speaker 2: somewhat at least on purpose. And I'm just like, you know,
Speaker 2: why is it that they all have this? And I
Speaker 2: think that it probably all goes back to this, you know,
Speaker 2: obviously before the pictures and cameras and camp quarders and
Speaker 2: all that shit came out, so it seems like it's
Speaker 2: someone on purpose.
Speaker 3: But yeah, this is interesting. I never heard about this before.
Speaker 6: It's way more like crazy to me.
Speaker 5: When you see the Brotherhood of the Hidden Hand, this
Speaker 5: hand gesture doesn't like And again maybe because I just
Speaker 5: don't typically look forward, so maybe it just doesn't like
Speaker 5: register on my weird chart. When you see like a
Speaker 5: picture Napoleon with his hand tucked into his shirt, right
Speaker 5: and it's hidden, and then you look at like different
Speaker 5: pictures of certain figures and they all have the hand
Speaker 5: put in the same way, it's like, all right that
Speaker 5: that seems odd, right, I don't know, maybe they're connected.
Speaker 4: And but it's like you're saying, before, you know, how
Speaker 4: is this how is ignacious of Leola a crypto jew
Speaker 4: that makes no fricking sense, the founder of the Yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: that makes total sense.
Speaker 6: And I don't that there's no connection.
Speaker 5: Maybe we are just so Plebeian that we don't see
Speaker 5: the obvious connections glaring us in the face.
Speaker 6: But it's like.
Speaker 5: Saying the Muslims, the Jews, and the Christians are all
Speaker 5: in a global cabald to run the world. It's like,
Speaker 5: you mean, the three organizations that can't stand each other. Okay, oh,
Speaker 5: Abraham agreed, Yeah, but we they've been at war with
Speaker 5: each other for thousands of years over a spot of
Speaker 5: land the size of New Jersey.
Speaker 6: Like, I don't see how, I don't know, I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, but they all agree, like you know, up to
Speaker 2: a certain point though in the Bible right or in
Speaker 2: the literally.
Speaker 5: To Abraham, like that's that's where everything goes off the
Speaker 5: beaten path here. And then the Muslims have gnostic views
Speaker 5: of Jesus because Mohammad couldn't read and he was only
Speaker 5: hearing stories from gnostics, and.
Speaker 6: That's why he believed.
Speaker 5: They believe that Jesus didn't actually get crucified. They believe
Speaker 5: his spirit got crucified and that's why it looked like it,
Speaker 5: which is a gnostic conversation that's not reality. But Jews
Speaker 5: believe that he was a traveling rabbi that said some
Speaker 5: good shit but then had him murdered. And depending on
Speaker 5: which section of what you're reading, there's some that say
Speaker 5: that he was a heretic and that's why I was killed.
Speaker 5: And there's some that say and he's like boiling in
Speaker 5: a vat of his own excrement in hell.
Speaker 6: You know, it's wild shit.
Speaker 5: It's they agree on everything from like Genesis to Moses
Speaker 5: or I'm sorry Abraham, and that's about it.
Speaker 6: You know, that's not a lot. It's not a lot
Speaker 6: at all.
Speaker 5: Not all.
Speaker 4: It's also this one dimensional thinking. What I can't stand
Speaker 4: where people will just one dimensional focus on one like
Speaker 4: group and not look at the bigger strategic plans of power.
Speaker 4: I'm interested in learning about real power and the world
Speaker 4: powers and who's control in the world actually, And you'll
Speaker 4: get a lot of people that lead omit information, meaning
Speaker 4: leaving out information. And you'll see this with people who
Speaker 4: just look at one group of people to blame all
Speaker 4: their problems on, but not ever bring up uh actual power,
Speaker 4: actual institutions, actual names and all this. But that that
Speaker 4: makes things easy. It's memetic magic. It's memes that you
Speaker 4: don't have to think you don't have to be scared.
Speaker 4: If people actually knew what was going on, there will
Speaker 4: be up to five am in the morning like me.
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, what the fuck is going on here?
Speaker 2: It's all about mobolism too, Like all that memetic magic,
Speaker 2: it's just symbolism. It's just playing, you know, whether it's
Speaker 2: the characters or the colors or the words that are
Speaker 2: on the meme or whatever. Like, it's all just programming
Speaker 2: your subconscious in a way. And so that way, Yeah, essentially,
Speaker 2: that's what it is. It's like you look at it
Speaker 2: and you may not even know consciously all the information
Speaker 2: that you're taking in, but subconsciously it's like it's talking
Speaker 2: to your subconscious how that works, which is all the
Speaker 2: occult really is essentially.
Speaker 4: So there's a new article that came out talking about
Speaker 4: the studies they did with AI changing humans perspectives and opinions.
Speaker 5: Yes, dude, you saw that MIT article. It's saying that
Speaker 5: AI is actually exponentially making people dumber and less intelligent
Speaker 5: and less less creative, and like they have no inspiration
Speaker 5: because they solely rely on the AI bro I just
Speaker 5: talked about on the Cage to Night.
Speaker 4: That was fascinating and terrifying that that makes a lot
Speaker 4: of sense. But there's also another article too showing how
Speaker 4: the AI can change human opinion. So propaganda that got
Speaker 4: a bad term because of the National Socialists were propagandists
Speaker 4: and they use their memetic magic and whatnot. So Edward
Speaker 4: Burnet's changed it to public relations. So you have a
Speaker 4: PR department that's just the propaganda department to change the
Speaker 4: opinions of how people look at you. They're thinking it's
Speaker 4: mind controls, right, and the AI is better at propaganda
Speaker 4: and changing a human's opinion on a topic like tenfold
Speaker 4: better than a human can do.
Speaker 5: So I believe that one hundred percent because AI does
Speaker 5: it does virtue signaling, and it does its own bias.
Speaker 5: Maybe not initially, but you train your AI, it starts
Speaker 5: to know what you're looking for whenever you put in
Speaker 5: a query or whatever else. So it will come across
Speaker 5: as like, oh, this is information because AI has all
Speaker 5: the information on the internet blah blah blah, and it's
Speaker 5: like you don't understand, but it's giving you a character
Speaker 5: bias based off of what it knows you want, and
Speaker 5: it can absolutely make someone believe, well, the AI said it.
Speaker 5: So it's got to be true. It will completely change
Speaker 5: someone's perspective of reality.
Speaker 4: And it's turning people who aren't schizophrenic into schizophrenics as well,
Speaker 4: getting put into hospitals and whatnot. Because what you're saying,
Speaker 4: they remember what you talk about. The AI studies you
Speaker 4: and tells you what you want to hear to manipulate you.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you're you're the best, You're you're, you're God,
Speaker 4: You're this and all this, and then they go into
Speaker 4: a chat GPT psychosis, which I kind of have like,
Speaker 4: maybe how come it's only chat GPT that's doing this,
Speaker 4: you know, maybe it's like other AI companies putting out
Speaker 4: information like that because that's where we're at.
Speaker 6: But I think it's all working that way.
Speaker 5: But chat GPT being the largest of the language models
Speaker 5: and all of that, it's kind of like saying, why
Speaker 5: is Google the only one?
Speaker 6: Well, like other search engines are doing the same thing.
Speaker 5: It's just that because that's the largest, it's the easiest
Speaker 5: to look at as a case study.
Speaker 6: I could be so wrong there, but that would make
Speaker 6: more sense to me.
Speaker 4: Well, so, like chat GPT, what you were saying, how
Speaker 4: remembers you I've heard through wicked smart p people and
Speaker 4: that it's good to not let it remember you because
Speaker 4: it's confirmation bias, so it doesn't know who it's talking
Speaker 4: to every time you put in new stuff. One of
Speaker 4: my friends, he's like really into the chachipt to make
Speaker 4: it like organize his life. So there's you could utilize
Speaker 4: chat ept and AI. I'm making AI videos and utilizing
Speaker 4: it because it's awesome for storytelling. It's like I did
Speaker 4: this documentary on the Illuminati horses, the Illuminati stallions and
Speaker 4: the methylene blue and the methylene prefer Wait a.
Speaker 6: Minute, are you pro or anti methylene blue?
Speaker 4: So the video wasn't pro or anti yet. I've got
Speaker 4: a pharmachea magician, so I have no idea. I'm not
Speaker 4: the guy to go to for hear that expert health advice.
Speaker 4: But symbolically through transmutation, there seems to be some sort
Speaker 4: of ritual going on. The guy who created it, he
Speaker 4: was part of secret societies like Freemasons and whatnot doing
Speaker 4: the hit in hand. Then I believe it was the
Speaker 4: Rockefellers who controlled the meth Lane Blue for a while,
Speaker 4: and it's being sold by a lot of like Eric
Speaker 4: Prince type blackwater kind of companies. I don't really understand it.
Speaker 4: I didn't get into it like that, but there's some
Speaker 4: weird stuff going on. But the thing was is, why
Speaker 4: is everyone telling me to drink this thing that turns
Speaker 4: my organs blue? Because it turns your organs blue? And
Speaker 4: then I'm like, man, this he got freaking the head
Speaker 4: of Hollywood, Mill Gibson telling me to drink this and
Speaker 4: he's making movies about painting people blue to sacrifice them
Speaker 4: to the rain god. And so it was a creative,
Speaker 4: fun video.
Speaker 6: But then get I.
Speaker 4: Used a eye for it. But I was able to
Speaker 4: have blue horses and stuff like that, so I was
Speaker 4: able to tell a story that I wouldn't have been
Speaker 4: able to do a year ago.
Speaker 6: So that's fair.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a It's a pretty powerful tool, dude, And
Speaker 2: I think that as long as you control it and
Speaker 2: you don't allow it to control you, you're probably fine.
Speaker 2: It's just like the Internet, you know, like if it
Speaker 2: wasn't for the Internet, chat GBT would have never been born,
Speaker 2: Like it had to have some kind of precursor, and
Speaker 2: you know, you see, like the Internet running people's lives.
Speaker 2: Some people are so sucked into the Internet to where
Speaker 2: they become like, uh like official, uh what are they
Speaker 2: called in cells?
Speaker 4: Do?
Speaker 5: That's what we're tking about Japan, These like working age
Speaker 5: males that will not go away from the screen and
Speaker 5: their parents bring them food and ship and they're just
Speaker 5: locked in because the Internet is their source, it's their god,
Speaker 5: it's their lover, it's their best friend.
Speaker 6: Is there?
Speaker 5: Everything in cells are taking the fuck over and it's
Speaker 5: not a good thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I was not talking about I've been
Speaker 4: turning into that. I'm like, oh my no, yeah.
Speaker 6: Well outside, touch grass, go find a woman. Don't don't
Speaker 6: do this.
Speaker 4: My parents don't bring me food, but Postmates will bring befood.
Speaker 4: So like it's also happening here in America. No, But
Speaker 4: the summertime I've been telling my audience was something I've
Speaker 4: been doing. I went to Florida, hung out with y'all,
Speaker 4: went to the bro Grove. What I've been doing is
Speaker 4: I'm going out every single day. That's my commitment of
Speaker 4: summer time. And I'm going to new places and meeting
Speaker 4: new people. When I see someone, I talk to them
Speaker 4: and get uncomfortable like that. So I don't get in
Speaker 4: that trap. Especially like there was this thing that happened
Speaker 4: for fourth of July where everyone was scared to go outside.
Speaker 4: They're like, oh my gosh, and who was in the
Speaker 4: mainstream news. But more so the mainstream news is what's
Speaker 4: in the algorithm. So TikTok reels, reels and people that
Speaker 4: are alternative researchers like like us. In a sense, we're
Speaker 4: not mainstream. We're not getting like put on Google. But
Speaker 4: these people that are leading the truth community are on
Speaker 4: Google trending. That means that Google approved it for the
Speaker 4: masses to see. They were saying fourth of July attacks,
Speaker 4: don't go outside though this is bad, and I told
Speaker 4: my audio it's no go outside like you gotta go,
Speaker 4: you gotta go do stuff. They're wrong. During the when
Speaker 4: we were at the bro Grove when the regime change
Speaker 4: was happening, and I ran, well, potential regime change, everyone
Speaker 4: was like World War three, and anyone who came to
Speaker 4: the booth, I told them, whoever wants that. They they
Speaker 4: lined to you that ain't going on. It's going to be.
Speaker 4: And I even posted it publicly on my YouTube that
Speaker 4: this whole thing will be over on the twenty fourth
Speaker 4: and the day that masonry like was created, and I
Speaker 4: said it was going to end that day, and it
Speaker 4: did end that day. I was wrong because I thought
Speaker 4: it was going to be a success US full regime change,
Speaker 4: getting rid of dietola.
Speaker 6: But that may still happen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, the regime change could absolutely take place.
Speaker 5: But I agree with you everybody that's been rant and raven, Well,
Speaker 5: it's World War three. No the fuck it's not. No,
Speaker 5: it's not.
Speaker 6: Where's the throat of a nuclear war? No the fuck,
Speaker 6: it's not.
Speaker 5: Neither of these things are going to be happening, not
Speaker 5: because of this anyway. Maybe one day, certainly, not two day.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the Iran situation was just that was silly, and
Speaker 5: I was wrong.
Speaker 6: I thought that America wouldn't get involved at all. I
Speaker 6: was wrong.
Speaker 5: We did drop some bombs one day. We did do that. Fine,
Speaker 5: everybody's like, see, it's clearly a decoration of war, and
Speaker 5: it's like, it's not.
Speaker 6: That's not a decoration of war, dude.
Speaker 4: All the world powers wouldn't mind a regime change there,
Speaker 4: like there, Even the people are like yeah whatever, Even
Speaker 4: Katar would be like whatever, Like.
Speaker 5: Bro, Muslims around Iran would be stoked at a regime
Speaker 5: change there.
Speaker 6: Even dudes living under Sharia law. Fucking hate the Ayahtola exactly.
Speaker 4: And so during this whole thing, all I didn't listen
Speaker 4: to anybody but Iranians. That's that's it, dude.
Speaker 6: Eighty five percent of the country hates him.
Speaker 5: And that's not just the Internet spurning its own Like no, no, no, realistically,
Speaker 5: like unless you're like somebody in his click, you can't
Speaker 5: fucking stand him. It's it's amazing, and I was happy
Speaker 5: whenever the bombs are dropping. You saw these Iranian dudes
Speaker 5: with clips.
Speaker 6: Like bomb the fuckers. Yeah, and they were stoked.
Speaker 4: Yes, And so that's why there's like a big thing
Speaker 4: on paper. You'll like that doesn't make sense. You'll have
Speaker 4: the right right like a Tucker Carlson or whatever, or
Speaker 4: like the right that shouldn't be aligned with the left.
Speaker 4: It's totally aligned with the left now, and so they're
Speaker 4: called woke right or whatever, which gets thrown around a lot,
Speaker 4: making it kind of muddying the waters. Having fricking Jordan
Speaker 4: Peterson talk about it. Who's straight out of Harvard or whatever.
Speaker 6: Dude, Tucker just did an interview with the Iranium Press.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I haven't seen it yet, but I heard
Speaker 5: about him like a fucking course you would, Tucker. You're
Speaker 5: over here telling people that Russia is in a fight
Speaker 5: for their life, a fight that they started in all this.
Speaker 6: But I mean, we could argue about this. Right now.
Speaker 5: You're over here having a conversation with the Iranian president,
Speaker 5: and before the interview even happens, he's like, I couldn't
Speaker 5: ask him hard hitting questions because I know that I
Speaker 5: wouldn't have gotten an honest answer.
Speaker 6: Well, then why would you fucking have an interview with him? Dude?
Speaker 5: That's the entire point. But okay, whatever, it's for the content,
Speaker 5: it's for the clicks.
Speaker 2: Well, you want to get a feel formed a little
Speaker 2: bit too, you know, sometimes like we make certain people
Speaker 2: out to be like extreme boogeyman's and maybe he is
Speaker 2: a boogeyman. I don't know, but you know, it's it's
Speaker 2: interesting because the way that you know, the the like
Speaker 2: our government will paint other countries, it's like they're not
Speaker 2: even human. And so that's how they get the American
Speaker 2: public in on bombing them and stuff like that, because
Speaker 2: we're we're bombing and we're killing people who are essentially
Speaker 2: anti human, and they want death to America and death
Speaker 2: to everybody else, which that is what they chant. But
Speaker 2: it's like, I appreciate that kind of stuff because I
Speaker 2: want to get into the mind of somebody like that.
Speaker 2: Like that's how you study people, and you can study
Speaker 2: their antics, you can study their propaganda, and you can
Speaker 2: study like what their goals are and stuff like. I mean,
Speaker 2: the best way to it's like, you know, you should
Speaker 2: become very close to your enemy in order to better
Speaker 2: understand them in their philosophy.
Speaker 5: No, I agree with that, but the Iranian president has
Speaker 5: a different set of beliefs in the Ayatola, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean. The Iranian president just happens to be
Speaker 5: the dude that's in the position right now, and in
Speaker 5: a few years it'll be somebody else. If you can't
Speaker 5: even have a frank conversation with him, then why have
Speaker 5: the conversation, right Like, he's not the fundamentalist extremist that's
Speaker 5: running Iran.
Speaker 6: He's a figurehead. The Ayatola is the guy who's actually
Speaker 6: got the real power here. It's it's well, you.
Speaker 2: Could say the same thing about our presidents. Every president
Speaker 2: doesn't run this country. They're just kind of the puppet
Speaker 2: master to it. And while we may be convinced that
Speaker 2: Trump has a little bit more power than you know,
Speaker 2: other presidents that have been up there. He absolutely does
Speaker 2: not have the power and the backing that the system
Speaker 2: has set for itself already.
Speaker 5: Different conversations, though, This would be the same thing as saying, like, well,
Speaker 5: why the pope versus the Italian president or prime minister?
Speaker 6: Right, that's like a fair comparison here.
Speaker 5: If you're looking for religious answers on things, you would
Speaker 5: go to the pope.
Speaker 6: If you're looking for the.
Speaker 5: Fundamentalist, extremist opinion of things, you would go to the Ayatola.
Speaker 5: If you're looking for Iranian law and they're military and
Speaker 5: all these things, you would go to the president. And
Speaker 5: if you're same with Italy and all this. But like
Speaker 5: that's the thing, if you're gonna if you already know
Speaker 5: that he's going to lie to you in the conversation,
Speaker 5: I don't know. I just don't see it as a
Speaker 5: net positive. I think it was just for the clicks.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's just for the content.
Speaker 2: It's all going to be propaganda anyway. That's exactly like
Speaker 2: those big talking heads, that's all they're pushing. And it's interesting,
Speaker 2: Donnat you brought up Edward Burnez. Dude, we and we
Speaker 2: know a decent little bit about Burnees, but we need
Speaker 2: to do a whole show on this fucking guy. Dude,
Speaker 2: he wrote a book literally titled propaganda, right yep. And also, dude,
Speaker 2: he was one hundred book three years old whenever he died.
Speaker 3: Did you know that? Another fun fact?
Speaker 2: Another fun fact about Edward Burnees his grandson, This is
Speaker 2: going to freak you out, dude. His grandson is Mark
Speaker 2: Burnet's Randolph, who is the creator of Netflix.
Speaker 4: Well, so this is kind of interesting. They definitely blood connected,
Speaker 4: but there was no relationship really between them, like they
Speaker 4: didn't They didn't have like a relationship close to each other,
Speaker 4: which shocked me because I when I learned that, I
Speaker 4: was like, oh wow, that is interesting. But Netflix is
Speaker 4: the propaganda tool. Edward Burnet's book on propaganda is exactly
Speaker 4: what Andrew Tay and all these different influencers are getting
Speaker 4: people to do, to join different religions, to have different
Speaker 4: political beliefs, and all this because you hire the actor,
Speaker 4: you hire the person on television to push your political vote.
Speaker 4: So that's what you see a lot of like boxers
Speaker 4: and stuff like that, Like on the Forefront or celebrities
Speaker 4: telling us political stuff. That's all propaganda. That's how they
Speaker 4: got women to smoke cigarettes was having female actresses on
Speaker 4: smoking cigarettes, and so then women would start doing it,
Speaker 4: even our breakfast that we eat and whatnot. And we
Speaker 4: saw this during the lockdown. How many actors came out
Speaker 4: and told us to follow the Pharmakuia, like every single
Speaker 4: big actor will Ferrell, Arnold Schwarzeneggers and screw your freedom. Yeah,
Speaker 4: over and over again. It's an important book. Yeah, propaganda.
Speaker 5: Only that a dude from Austria would be coming with
Speaker 5: that type of rhetic screw your freedom, Like, my boy,
Speaker 5: your nation at one point in time suffered from somebody
Speaker 5: spitting that same rhetoric a couple of decades back.
Speaker 3: And Burn himself was from Austria.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, did they not learn from Adolph of like, hey,
Speaker 5: maybe freedoms, even dangerous freedom is a little more important
Speaker 5: than you know, safety, I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's just it's.
Speaker 3: Just about a control and power, that's it.
Speaker 4: That's what the founding fathers would say that that. I
Speaker 4: like that quote. The security over freedom you deserve neither
Speaker 4: or however it goes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, Well, yeah, like that First Amendment, and
Speaker 5: I love the Second Amendment.
Speaker 6: You know, that's just me.
Speaker 5: I'm unlikely you don't know, And I'm a bit of
Speaker 5: a constitutionalist honestly, And I know people are gonna say
Speaker 5: that's a flawed document. You know, find me a better
Speaker 5: written document to governor nation.
Speaker 6: I'll wait.
Speaker 4: There's never been in the history of the.
Speaker 5: Planet now and all other democracies on Earth take their
Speaker 5: notes from the American Constitution.
Speaker 6: There's a reason for that shit. Yeah, I'm with you
Speaker 6: on a percent.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I I really like it.
Speaker 6: Ll weird, call me.
Speaker 5: A patriot, but I fucking like our country a lot,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 2: Anyway, Yeah, it's a it's pretty damn interesting.
Speaker 3: But uh, what else you've been covering here lately? Donut?
Speaker 2: I mean, I know you're you're super into the occult
Speaker 2: and always looking at the symbolism kind of stuff. One
Speaker 2: of my favorite shows that you came on. It was
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago and we were talking about
Speaker 2: Matthew Perry's death and that was dude, all of the
Speaker 2: crazy like I call them synchronicities or coincidences or whatever
Speaker 2: like that guy was absolutely ritually assassinated.
Speaker 4: Yes, and he was doing the horse medication, I think too,
Speaker 4: and his dealer got arrested for selling him the horse products. No,
Speaker 4: but that's another one, the ketamine. That's oh crats, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't know. I you know, there's so many podcasts
Speaker 4: out there that promote the use of mine altering substances
Speaker 4: and whatnot, and I'm just totally, like, very cautious of that,
Speaker 4: and it's just all over the place. So that's like
Speaker 4: with the Matthew Perry kind of thing, and I don't know,
Speaker 4: it's just uh, yes, it's.
Speaker 3: I mean, I get it.
Speaker 2: There are definitely people that can, you know, kind of
Speaker 2: succumb to the illusions that whenever they are under the
Speaker 2: influence of psychedelics, and I could see how that would be.
Speaker 2: You know, certain people they experience certain things on these things,
Speaker 2: right like Jacob for example, Like whenever you took a
Speaker 2: super high dosage of mushrooms back whenever you were at
Speaker 2: the Pagan Festival, it was like you could take that
Speaker 2: and literally let that information run your life. There's no
Speaker 2: doubt about that. It could drive you fucking insane.
Speaker 6: Oh, in a way it has.
Speaker 5: Honestly, at that moment, I saw how everything works together,
Speaker 5: even the good, the bad.
Speaker 6: All that has to work.
Speaker 5: It's all cogs in a machine, and if one cog
Speaker 5: is taken out, the machine doesn't work. So it's like
Speaker 5: existence in life has to flow a certain way because
Speaker 5: it simply was built to flow this way.
Speaker 6: Then, but to your point, you get.
Speaker 2: Like these savior mentalities. And that's one thing I cannot
Speaker 2: stand is somebody who's, oh, I've done DMT a million
Speaker 2: times or I've done mushrooms a million times. I know
Speaker 2: the answer, and you're not gonna get the answer unless
Speaker 2: it comes from my mouth. I'm like, bro, it's not
Speaker 2: supposed to be like that. It's supposed to be a
Speaker 2: specific personal experience for you. It's not for the world.
Speaker 2: Like that's yea, and that's my own opinion about it.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, added into your your rhetoric of
Speaker 2: whatever you think or whatever however your mind works, but
Speaker 2: don't let it run your life by any means, because
Speaker 2: it's impossible to understand all of it.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So there there's different emotions that different drugs go to.
Speaker 4: So I'm a big smoker. I haven't smoked in a
Speaker 4: long time, but that's my favorite thing to do, and
Speaker 4: it's because I'm sad I've like a cry baby all
Speaker 4: the time, and so when I smoke, it's going to
Speaker 4: my lungs, which is the emotion of sadness. The lungs
Speaker 4: the liver is of anger and resentment. And that's why alcoholics.
Speaker 4: They drink because of resentment, because of refilling this different anger.
Speaker 4: And something that I've been studying spiritually is because like,
Speaker 4: I want to how fun I want to go do
Speaker 4: all these things. I want to go like drink and debuss,
Speaker 4: do all all this stuff which I don't do. I'm
Speaker 4: like ten years sober, but I'm like, oh, man, does
Speaker 4: sound fun? I want to get that ease and comfort
Speaker 4: of doing drugs and alcohol or whatever. But then you
Speaker 4: got to kind of play out the story for me.
Speaker 4: At least if I play out the story, I romanticize
Speaker 4: about it when it's not the reality of things. I'm
Speaker 4: alone in my apartment with no friends, and it's not
Speaker 4: how the television has sold me that it's going to
Speaker 4: be nothing but friends and girls and the best time ever,
Speaker 4: which is a total mind control. Live you'll see that
Speaker 4: a lot of the angry people online that you could
Speaker 4: just see it in their content, how they're just hateful
Speaker 4: to a certain political party, a certain religion, a certain group,
Speaker 4: the anger. If you see these people in their private life,
Speaker 4: they are alcoholics. Most likely they're abusing alcohol because they
Speaker 4: are angry, which means they're scared, uh, and they haven't
Speaker 4: worked on themselves. And then you get all these people
Speaker 4: pushing ketamine. Now and I'll watch friends in real time
Speaker 4: do these different like drugs or whatever. And then maybe
Speaker 4: on a podcast or something, they'll come off like totally
Speaker 4: chill or whatever. But just give it some time and
Speaker 4: you'll see their life unravel. And like, I have not
Speaker 4: met one person who does drugs that is just crushing
Speaker 4: them like I have not.
Speaker 6: Right, it's a good point.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I do know a couple of very successful businessmen
Speaker 5: that smoke weed. I'll give you that. And I mean
Speaker 5: we could have the argument if weeds a drug or not.
Speaker 5: I personally don't believe it is. I know there's a
Speaker 5: lot of people that disagree with that.
Speaker 2: Fine, fine, right, the fucking weed that they're creating nowadays
Speaker 2: is starting to look like the shit is potent as fuck.
Speaker 3: I think it's way too potent, bro.
Speaker 5: It's fair, that is a fair statement, right, But to
Speaker 5: your point, right, you see maybe fortune five hundred CEOs
Speaker 5: that might have a glass of bourbon, but they're also
Speaker 5: not living out of a bottle, right in the same way,
Speaker 5: you don't see these guys that are diving into k
Speaker 5: holes once a week that are fucking running the world
Speaker 5: Like it's just not a thing that you see.
Speaker 4: What these potheads that you're talking about, do you know
Speaker 4: one personally not success?
Speaker 5: This is successful, Yes, but I will say the one
Speaker 5: that I have in mind, he is the he's the
Speaker 5: rare case.
Speaker 6: He is not He's not the standard to go off of.
Speaker 5: Okay, this guy he's basically been winning it life since
Speaker 5: he was eleven years old, and he's just never checked up.
Speaker 5: He's had and I'm not saying it had everything handed
Speaker 5: to him. He has made a lot of really really
Speaker 5: good decisions at really really good times that has set
Speaker 5: him on a trajectory for success.
Speaker 6: And he also smokes weed like it's a chimney.
Speaker 5: Right, But he's also just like he's the exception, he's
Speaker 5: not the norm.
Speaker 6: But that's my point.
Speaker 5: I'm not saying like potheads that are leaders. I'm saying
Speaker 5: like maybe in the evening they smoke a jay to
Speaker 5: relax before they go to bed. This type of thing.
Speaker 5: You might see a successful business owner that does that,
Speaker 5: but you're not going to see a successful business owner
Speaker 5: that tie off his ass at lunch.
Speaker 6: That's just not gonna happen.
Speaker 4: Also, it's the definition of success too, like maybe the
Speaker 4: because I'm in recovery and there's a lot of successful
Speaker 4: people who make a lot of money and they're are
Speaker 4: fucked up like alcohol or whatever it is, but the
Speaker 4: relationships are in turmoil. So like it's also like looking
Speaker 4: at it, it just something that I haven't noticed, you know,
Speaker 4: I have ever seen workout for uh, the.
Speaker 6: Majority of people, the vast majority of people.
Speaker 5: Like, the more you delve into substance, the more you're
Speaker 5: gonna take away from your own personal success.
Speaker 6: That's that's just simple. One plus one equals two.
Speaker 4: Here, I agree, And there's a time and place for everything,
Speaker 4: and yes, college.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean there's also people that are dealing
Speaker 5: with like PTSD for instance, and they'll go to an
Speaker 5: ayahuasca retreat or they'll do some sort of a psychedelic
Speaker 5: retreat as a way to grow through the PTSD. And
Speaker 5: there's varying levels of success with this, right, I know
Speaker 5: veterans who come home with PTSD and they go on
Speaker 5: these ayahuasca retreats and they come back a way better
Speaker 5: person because of it. But that was, like you said,
Speaker 5: there was a time and place. They didn't come home
Speaker 5: and start tripping balls once a week. That was a
Speaker 5: thing that they did in the time and place to
Speaker 5: grow through that experience, gain that insight, had that profound experience,
Speaker 5: and then they grow from it. They use that as
Speaker 5: a launching platform. They don't use that as a source
Speaker 5: to keep coming back to you.
Speaker 6: See what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It's on the same algorithm of like CHATCHABT in a
Speaker 2: way kind of what we were talking about, Like if
Speaker 2: you let it run you as opposed to you using
Speaker 2: it as a tool, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 2: it can run your life, and so it's it's very
Speaker 2: important that you know you have this level of awareness
Speaker 2: that you're not allowing it to run your life in
Speaker 2: a sense. So like, yeah, I know people like super
Speaker 2: super potheads, and I mean no disrespect to them. I'm
Speaker 2: sure that they're highly functioning individuals whenever they want to be.
Speaker 5: But if they're also not killing it overall, right, they're
Speaker 5: not about to become multimillionaires anytime soon.
Speaker 2: No, I got a buddy who actually before the show
Speaker 2: was ever started, I had I had talked to and
Speaker 2: we were planning on starting a podcast at one point,
Speaker 2: and we talked about it, you know, for you know,
Speaker 2: for like a year or two or something like that.
Speaker 2: Like it was always kind of in the works, but
Speaker 2: it was always just in theory, you know, and and
Speaker 2: and it was interesting because we would come up with
Speaker 2: these theories when when we were smoking together, right and
Speaker 2: then you know, you go to sleep, you wake up
Speaker 2: the next day, you try to have that same conversation
Speaker 2: and it's it's not fun anymore.
Speaker 3: It's not it's all realistic. It was just in theory.
Speaker 2: And I think that you know, people who smoke, they
Speaker 2: they live in in this like like dream type of
Speaker 2: world in which they only dream about it and they
Speaker 2: never really want to put it into motion in a sense, right,
Speaker 2: Like not everybody. I am just saying that, that specific
Speaker 2: person was always just like, oh, this is a great idea,
Speaker 2: we should do this, we should do this, And it
Speaker 2: was always fun to talk about it, but it never
Speaker 2: came to anything.
Speaker 3: And so I was like, fuck this, I'm just going
Speaker 3: to start my own shit then. And you know, the.
Speaker 5: Same concept as you and your boys cracking some beers
Speaker 5: and having like some really great ideas, but we need
Speaker 5: to start. We need to open a bar, Like why
Speaker 5: do we should open a bar? Then you wake up
Speaker 5: the next morning like that's a really dumb idea.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I see, that's the that's the one thing like
Speaker 4: because I was since fourteen just drunk and high for
Speaker 4: until I was twenty seven, right somewhere around there. So
Speaker 4: I'm I've gone through that whole whole thing and the
Speaker 4: wasted time of all that and all the plans and
Speaker 4: the big goals and so how are you talking about
Speaker 4: It just makes me like more like oh, okay, I'll
Speaker 4: and that I'm not doing it. But it becomes it
Speaker 4: became a god do anything without weed, like I needed
Speaker 4: it to do anything, to make it all to get
Speaker 4: up in the morning, to do do anything, rather than
Speaker 4: relying on God to have me do that. Uh you know,
Speaker 4: that became the god.
Speaker 2: That's a good point too, because I feel like, dude,
Speaker 2: I need to kick caffeine.
Speaker 3: I need to get the I need to get that
Speaker 3: I'm not going to go down life.
Speaker 6: Maybe one day, but not two day.
Speaker 4: Brother. I'm hooked on the caffeine.
Speaker 2: And I hate on it, you know, Like this morning,
Speaker 2: I was like, you know what, I'm gonna try and
Speaker 2: see how my day goes if I don't drink a
Speaker 2: cup of coffee because I've been drinking coffee and energy
Speaker 2: drinks and I got the fucking I take a little
Speaker 2: methylene blue as well, which I did take today.
Speaker 3: So I'm not fully you know, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I would just saying it's weird. And also another thing
Speaker 4: with the ayahuasca thing, And I'm not saying there's not
Speaker 4: a place in time for like certain things, or I'm
Speaker 4: just saying from my own experience, not from studies like
Speaker 4: of trauma patience, and I'm talking about from phone calls
Speaker 4: talking to people with the ayahuasca thing. Everybody I talked
Speaker 4: to that does ayahuasca, They're like, yeah, I've been doing
Speaker 4: ahahuasca though, like Ted twenty times I go back and
Speaker 4: I'm spiritual, and I'm just like, what do you do it?
Speaker 4: Like you're going all the time to have these different
Speaker 4: like spiritual experiences. Like the real spirituality that I found
Speaker 4: is not in it's in it's in like the creepiest places,
Speaker 4: you know, it's with broken people or homeless people or
Speaker 4: something like that uh, not hanging out like homeless like
Speaker 4: in like a like a like it's just that God
Speaker 4: works in all over the place. It's not. It doesn't
Speaker 4: have to be like some fans see like uh like
Speaker 4: jungle similacrum for a fanciness like you that you could
Speaker 4: the connection to God is uh is a fucking drug
Speaker 4: on its own and uh uh that's uh. And the
Speaker 4: more that you kind of are conscious to that and
Speaker 4: sort of develop like this relationship with prayer and God
Speaker 4: and just like just opening up your eyes a little
Speaker 4: bit to like little things like how is this working?
Speaker 4: How is this being connected? That you could find like
Speaker 4: God and spirituality like throughout the day on the most
Speaker 4: mundane stuff. It's a trip and it's awesome.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: I agree, you know what coffee talking because I'm drinking
Speaker 4: coffee that I'm just awful.
Speaker 5: But I mean to the whole thing about like successful
Speaker 5: people that use substances. There's examples like of artists, right,
Speaker 5: not just musical, not just paint, name your type of medium,
Speaker 5: but these are people that are super big with psychedelics
Speaker 5: or super big into substance use or any of these things.
Speaker 5: And yeah, they make it as far as that's concerned
Speaker 5: quote unquote financially or fame or whatever your personal version
Speaker 5: of making it is. But honestly, they're typically hollow and
Speaker 5: they feel like they are constantly trying to grasp something
Speaker 5: that they can't reach, and it's a whole struggling artist vibe.
Speaker 5: They're tormented artists and all these things. So I mean,
Speaker 5: you can't use those as the model that you're trying
Speaker 5: to go off of, like you don't want to be
Speaker 5: like them, you know.
Speaker 4: Also, I got something I want to say on that,
Speaker 4: because this idea is being pushed by the mainstream. Joe
Speaker 4: Rogan is telling everyone that we need to do drugs
Speaker 4: so we can be more creative and do more creative stuff.
Speaker 4: Then you got the Danny Jones podcast who's saying the
Speaker 4: exact same thing. And I think there's a pipeline to
Speaker 4: them both working together. But they're promoting drug use for
Speaker 4: creativity and whatnot. When I look back at my video
Speaker 4: editing and artwork stone so when I'm sober, I'm so
Speaker 4: much more better creative sober than I've ever been stoned. Yes,
Speaker 4: I could see it in my own life, and also,
Speaker 4: like Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club, band that's like LSD
Speaker 4: Yellow Submarine, But how is that connected to LSD and
Speaker 4: all that? Because the Beatles is going to draw the
Speaker 4: Yellow Submarine movie. They're just the poster boys to tell
Speaker 4: everyone to take if you take this drug that was
Speaker 4: created through mk Ultra, that you'll be creative like this
Speaker 4: and create all these different things. How come we don't
Speaker 4: have any cool art really anymore. All the art today
Speaker 4: that's viral that people like is these very It's like
Speaker 4: it's Haron like it's some sort of vibe being so
Speaker 4: medicated and sleepy and depressed an apathy and people love it, right,
Speaker 4: like just like no expression on the face wrap, you know,
Speaker 4: like that disinterested.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And then it's also like really cool these days quote
Speaker 5: unquote to have anxiety, like having anxiety issues as seen
Speaker 5: as like a trendy thing. It's it's it's mind blowing
Speaker 5: to me, right, And then like, well, what gives you anxiety?
Speaker 6: Mass amounts of drugs for instance.
Speaker 5: Always the thing like okay, so that being said, good thing,
Speaker 5: that's a good thing to have anxiety. I mean it
Speaker 5: can be right if it's if it's an anxiety that
Speaker 5: is being used to be aware of yourself, be aware
Speaker 5: of your surroundings to try to seek personal betterment. Okay, right,
Speaker 5: It's kind of like a fear isn't necessarily always a
Speaker 5: bad thing. Fear of heights, that's for survival, because falling
Speaker 5: to your death is not a good idea, right, So
Speaker 5: being at least basically having a respect slash fear of heights.
Speaker 5: I can understand this hav an anxiety of being in
Speaker 5: big crowded places because if one person pulls a gun
Speaker 5: out a stampedo happening, he will kill you. Like this
Speaker 5: type of anxiety I could understand, but having anxiety to
Speaker 5: the point to where having a conversation with a group
Speaker 5: of people and then you have to like lay on
Speaker 5: a couch and just like because like that was so nervous.
Speaker 5: It's like, bro, that we gotta we gotta get more
Speaker 5: acclimatid to being around people. We got to become a
Speaker 5: normal person, you know. But it's like it's a new
Speaker 5: trendy thing. And I mean, like you said, there's a
Speaker 5: time and place for a long time.
Speaker 4: I have so much anxiety gone to the bro Groves.
Speaker 6: What why, dude? You did great? You did great on stage.
Speaker 4: I think I was the only Jewish person there. So
Speaker 4: I was a little freaked out.
Speaker 5: Yeah, with the uh, some of the rhetoric that may
Speaker 5: have been set on the mic that day.
Speaker 6: I'm I'm sure that.
Speaker 4: I was a little a little nervous. But see that's fear,
Speaker 4: and I don't let the fear control my life. But
Speaker 4: I having you're the only one though, brother, Oh nice, nice.
Speaker 4: Technically speaking, my last name is German Jew so haha,
Speaker 4: I'm German Jew too. I'm German, Russian, Romanian.
Speaker 6: Are you actually Jewish?
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm like the most Jewish person out there. I'm
Speaker 4: more Jewish than Kanye.
Speaker 5: I don't mean bloodline, I mean like you actually go
Speaker 5: to temple. You're like an observing Jew.
Speaker 4: I grew up going to temple. Yeah, I'm Jewish. I'm
Speaker 4: not a religious I'm not religious though, I'm not like
Speaker 4: a practicing but uh, I'm like definitely Jewish. Like if
Speaker 4: there's fake Jews out there, I'm not one of them,
Speaker 4: right right right?
Speaker 5: Your bloodline and religious based jew I feel that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So what do you think about your people running the
Speaker 2: world then, or controlling the weather?
Speaker 4: I wouldn't have as much anxiety because I know the truth.
Speaker 4: I know that I know that they're not in control, yeah,
Speaker 4: of of any of anything. Really, not to say that
Speaker 4: they're not powerful Jewish people for sure, elements like that.
Speaker 4: That's ridiculous to say something like that. But they're not
Speaker 4: the top of the power structure. What's whatsoever?
Speaker 2: Why do you think all that shit's happening then? I
Speaker 2: mean not like, why do you think that the people
Speaker 2: hating on Jews is extremely profound right now? More it
Speaker 2: seems like it's almost like it's since the beginning of history. Bro,
Speaker 2: everybody is.
Speaker 3: Always this is the most it's been in our lives.
Speaker 4: I'm saying, yeah, Well, so I'm not trying to change
Speaker 4: people's minds or nothing, because you cannot change someone's belief system.
Speaker 4: If they're married to this idea that it's the Jews
Speaker 4: fought for every single thing in the in the world,
Speaker 4: you can't change their mindset. That's not what I'm trying
Speaker 4: to do. I'll just give what I think is going on. Sure,
Speaker 4: there's multiple things, like Jonathan was saying that this is
Speaker 4: phenomenon going back thousands of years, and I do think
Speaker 4: the element of escapegoat is one hundred percent true, where
Speaker 4: they'll get put into management higher management, but they're not
Speaker 4: the bosses. And you can see this with bloodlines and
Speaker 4: royalty that we don't know their names. It makes no
Speaker 4: sense that if you're controlling the world to put out
Speaker 4: a forgery, a false book. The protocols totally has been debunked,
Speaker 4: but doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because even if you
Speaker 4: show proof and evidence of stuff that if you have
Speaker 4: already invested in a belief system, that there's no reason
Speaker 4: to change that. But a lot of this stuff, the
Speaker 4: Kazarian stuff that's been known as a forgery, like not
Speaker 4: true at all. People debunk these things already. The Talmudic
Speaker 4: quotes aren't even coming from the tal mood. They don't
Speaker 4: even understand whether the talmod is.
Speaker 5: They don't even know it came from Martin Luther with
Speaker 5: his book where he just shit all over the Jews
Speaker 5: right after he did his ninety nine eight those things.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so there's just tons of evidence for a long
Speaker 4: time debunking the stuff, but it doesn't matter. But then
Speaker 4: who does it serve? Who does it serve? And then
Speaker 4: it's sort of what we're talking about in the beginning.
Speaker 4: It serves a lot of other powers to hide and say, look,
Speaker 4: it's this group which works it's a phenomena. People haven't
Speaker 4: studied anti Semitism, so they don't understand the history of
Speaker 4: this phenomenon that it just takes hold of the imagination
Speaker 4: where it just runs wild. And the military has been
Speaker 4: used this like the memes that we see on Twitter,
Speaker 4: that's coming straight from governments and militaries from hundreds of centuries,
Speaker 4: thousands of years being utilized because it works. Why change
Speaker 4: something that doesn't work. But the ultimate plan of the
Speaker 4: Illuminati and all these other secret societies, the the these
Speaker 4: values of the laws or order or God or all
Speaker 4: all this stuff that is not okay with their Marxist
Speaker 4: plans of the future. And that's what you're.
Speaker 5: Saying, Marxism is a Jewish thing. It's like, okay, dude,
Speaker 5: it's not.
Speaker 4: It's not.
Speaker 5: Lenin was a Jew by blood, but he wasn't like
Speaker 5: a practicing Jew. That doesn't make communism and socialism an
Speaker 5: inherently Jewish thing. And as a matter of fact, the
Speaker 5: Communist Revolution killed so many Jewish people in Russia through
Speaker 5: the pogrims.
Speaker 6: But of course, yeah, that's all a op. That's all fake.
Speaker 5: All the mass graves that were discovered are completely fake,
Speaker 5: and it's like, I'm sorry, bro, fucking what.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's crazy. But the thing is is that
Speaker 4: if you're interested in learning the truth and sticking with
Speaker 4: the truth, it's comforting and learning about that stuff. And
Speaker 4: I haven't really I wanted to make a video about
Speaker 4: it and talk about it, but like, I'm not going
Speaker 4: to change anyone's minds. You can show people the truth
Speaker 4: that it's just so I'm sort of a uh, live
Speaker 4: and let live sort of. I I no, no, I'm
Speaker 4: very very I got a lot of Christian type like
Speaker 4: beliefs but also Jewish beliefs to like with my recovery
Speaker 4: and whatnot that have been just beautiful in my own
Speaker 4: spiritual life.
Speaker 6: Do you call yourself a Messianic Jew? Just curious? Do
Speaker 6: you believe in Jesus?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: I I believe in God. I I don't know what's
Speaker 4: going on. I've prayed to Jesus to to you know,
Speaker 4: to get sober, and I have my own idea of
Speaker 4: God and higher power and I know that I don't know.
Speaker 4: I just all I know is there's a God. The
Speaker 4: thing is what the the anti the anti Semitism. It's
Speaker 4: crazy because I've never pushed on my conspiracy like channel
Speaker 4: during the whole like war stuff like that. I never
Speaker 4: pushed like a uh like a different political or religious
Speaker 4: type agenda ever, but everybody uh was pointing that I
Speaker 4: am Jewish. Like so people are telling me. And it
Speaker 4: is interesting because it's like, uh, even if I was
Speaker 4: a Masionic or whatever that is, I don't really understand
Speaker 4: what it is.
Speaker 5: But means you're Jewish but you acknowledge Jesus as the Messiah.
Speaker 5: It's it's like a subset and it's it's technically Christian,
Speaker 5: but they also acknowledge and celebrate all the uh Jewish
Speaker 5: holidays and feast days and these types of things, and
Speaker 5: it's it's growing more and more in Israel and around
Speaker 5: the world. But basically, for somebody to come out to
Speaker 5: their family as a Messianic Jew means that you are
Speaker 5: going to be shunned and they're pretty much gonna hate
Speaker 5: you from that day forward because you're now following a
Speaker 5: heretic and eat you know this whole thing.
Speaker 4: Oh sure, sure, yeah, So I don't know. I believe
Speaker 4: in God and I prayed I the only I only
Speaker 4: pray for God's will. That's it, you know, So like
Speaker 4: there you go. Yeah, it's a it's been a very weird,
Speaker 4: interesting time for for for donut life is weird, dude.
Speaker 2: It's a fun It's a fun uh trail to get
Speaker 2: on though, the whole spiritual trail and really trying to
Speaker 2: like figure out what you believe and what you vibe
Speaker 2: with and what makes sense in your mind. Like, and
Speaker 2: everybody's so different with it. And that's why I like,
Speaker 2: whenever people are like, you gotta believe this or you
Speaker 2: gotta believe that, I'm like, dude, fucking leave it up
Speaker 2: to the individual.
Speaker 3: Like it is.
Speaker 2: It is like a profound, spirit, virtual personal thing that
Speaker 2: is happening to each individual. You don't need somebody else
Speaker 2: to believe what you believe in order for your belief
Speaker 2: to be more true or not. That's the way I've
Speaker 2: always looked at it, too.
Speaker 5: I guess depends on for what reason you're sharing the information.
Speaker 5: Are you sharing it to try to like proselytize to people, right,
Speaker 5: are you trying to save them? Quote unquote, And like,
Speaker 5: if that's what your intention is, then you want to
Speaker 5: share this good news with the world. If you're sharing
Speaker 5: it to self validate, then you're already as the book says,
Speaker 5: poisoning the holy water that you're spraying. Okay, it's truly
Speaker 5: about your intention. Are you doing this to help someone
Speaker 5: or are you doing it to make yourself seem more?
Speaker 6: Right? These are completely different intentions.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, the only the only thing that I kind
Speaker 4: of put out there that I would like to change
Speaker 4: is if somebody is suffering with addiction. That's the one
Speaker 4: thing that I do and out there, like, you know,
Speaker 4: if you're suffering, there's another way out. But I'm not
Speaker 4: trying to wake up the world at all. Right, they're
Speaker 4: gonna they're gonna stay asleep, you know.
Speaker 2: And it doesn't even surprise me that people are like, oh, look, donut,
Speaker 2: he's awesome. He looks into the systems, into the all
Speaker 2: the symbolism and everything. Oh but he's a Jew, though,
Speaker 2: Can you trust him?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like, you know, you know, damn well, he's getting a
Speaker 2: lot of that right, Oh absolutely.
Speaker 5: And I'm telling you it's not even the Jews, y'all.
Speaker 5: It's the fucking gypsies that are running the world. Okay,
Speaker 5: We've talked about it so many times. The Jews of
Speaker 5: the scapegoat for the chips, that's all I'm.
Speaker 4: Saying it's it's been a weird. You wouldn't believe, like
Speaker 4: I don't talk about it, but you will believe, like
Speaker 4: people have given money too, and because they were having
Speaker 4: a hard time, and just for some reason, when Kanye
Speaker 4: came out, I got the K word sent to me
Speaker 4: that I work with edbaby all these videos posted about
Speaker 4: and I would just like what what that? And I'd
Speaker 4: never push like an agenda. So that's what I was
Speaker 4: trying to say, is that even if I if I,
Speaker 4: like if I was Muslim or Christian or any Hindu
Speaker 4: or whatever, the world is like no, You're jew you know,
Speaker 4: so like it's like I can't. There's no escape of this.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing too, Like you'll see a lot
Speaker 2: of conspiracy shows that they are centered on looking at
Speaker 2: conspiracy through a religious lens. And there's nothing wrong with
Speaker 2: that if that's your world worldview, but it doesn't necessarily
Speaker 2: always have to be through that religious lens, you know,
Speaker 2: Like I understand why people would go there, especially seeing
Speaker 2: seeing like all the satanic, weird, pedophilic kind of shit.
Speaker 2: I mean, where else do you compare that up against?
Speaker 2: You know, it's like the evil and you need a
Speaker 2: good to compare it up against. So I understand it,
Speaker 2: but it's not necessarily always a religious thing, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm saying, like, right, well.
Speaker 4: So that's one of the things that I look out for.
Speaker 4: So when somebody is pushing something, even me, right, it's
Speaker 4: it's fine, be like, oh, he's a jude, like you
Speaker 4: gotta look that makes me biased in a lot of ways.
Speaker 4: It's one hundred percent. And also looking at other people.
Speaker 4: So when people put out information, you got to kind
Speaker 4: of see what are their biases. And because we're human,
Speaker 4: so we're not gonna we have we have the biases.
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, And you'll see that pretty much with anything.
Speaker 2: Like think about like people who are anti weed, Well,
Speaker 2: it's probably because they smoked it and hated it and
Speaker 2: didn't know how to control themselves, and they think that
Speaker 2: that's what's going on with everybody, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: But it's it has a different reaction. Like you you
Speaker 2: give Willie Nelson a joint as opposed to a nun,
Speaker 2: you know, like you're gonna get some different perspective, you know.
Speaker 5: And it's saying with like alcohol, right, there are some
Speaker 5: people that can sit there and drink and drink and
Speaker 5: drink for hours, and they're fine. They are happy, they
Speaker 5: are the life of the party. They don't have a
Speaker 5: hangover the next morning, they're not hurting anybody and they're fine.
Speaker 5: Then there's others that if they take two shots, they
Speaker 5: become the world's biggest asshole, who's like trying to fight
Speaker 5: people and go home and beat their wife and kids
Speaker 5: and shit.
Speaker 6: And it's like it varies person to person, right, it's.
Speaker 5: But that doesn't necessarily mean that you should use that
Speaker 5: as that may not even be the exception.
Speaker 6: It may not be the standard. It depends on the
Speaker 6: individual for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's different, varying from a degree to degree. But
Speaker 2: I mean it is interesting looking at it through all
Speaker 2: the different lenses though, Like I appreciate people who can
Speaker 2: look at something. That's why, like I love this conversation.
Speaker 2: You know, first of all, like non religious person, Jacob
Speaker 2: being the Christian, Donut being the Jew. It's like, dude,
Speaker 2: it's the Holy trifecta up in here, and we're just
Speaker 2: like looking at it from all the different angles, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. And I think that's that's where
Speaker 2: truth can be found when you can take different perspectives
Speaker 2: and boil it down and and really get to the
Speaker 2: root cause of certain things. Like I think we can
Speaker 2: all agree that sacrificing kids is a fucking evil thing, right,
Speaker 2: like very cash money if you don't not very cash money.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, it's, uh, it's good to be able to,
Speaker 2: you know, look at it from different lenses. And that's
Speaker 2: why it's important to like have other guests on the show.
Speaker 2: You know, we love whenever it's just me and Jacob,
Speaker 2: we go back and forth and it fucking we can
Speaker 2: go on for hours and hours and literally and we
Speaker 2: do go on for hours and hours. But then it's
Speaker 2: also nice to have somebody like you donut because you know,
Speaker 2: you bring another aspect to it.
Speaker 4: It's a different perspective, you know, it's just adding more
Speaker 4: of the puzzle pieces.
Speaker 2: And I think that it's interesting too, like what we're
Speaker 2: all like specifically drawn to, Like Jacob loves the geopolitical shit.
Speaker 3: I love like the weird woo woo.
Speaker 2: You know, occult type of shit, and you know you
Speaker 2: kind of love a little bit of both actually, and
Speaker 2: so so yeah, it's it's pretty cool.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: I think that eventually we're and just just going off
Speaker 2: of our Brohemian Grove, uh situation that we've you know,
Speaker 2: all three of us have been a part of. Eventually
Speaker 2: we're going to do our own convention and oh we
Speaker 2: have to and I would love for you Donut to
Speaker 2: be like one of the main aspects of it, dude.
Speaker 4: For show for sure. I had such a great time
Speaker 4: shout out to talk and Raven that was awesome and
Speaker 4: seeing Owen Benjamin, he was hilarious. It was lost so
Speaker 4: much fun in hanging out with y'all in person, and
Speaker 4: you give me the opportunity to podcast, Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 4: I also would like to do like more events too,
Speaker 4: Like that's my whole thing for summertime for me is
Speaker 4: just to get out more and uh network and hang out.
Speaker 2: And yeah, that's and that's something that we've been me
Speaker 2: and Jacob have talked about because that's the only events
Speaker 2: that we've ever gone to. We would love to go
Speaker 2: to a Flat Earth Con or a UFO con or
Speaker 2: any other like kind of conspiracy con and kind of
Speaker 2: spread our wings a little bit and get to meet
Speaker 2: other people because there's a lot of people hosting a
Speaker 2: lot of these events, right and like I would love
Speaker 2: to go to Like, dude, they have certain conventions that
Speaker 2: are centered around like near death experiences. Fucking sign me
Speaker 2: up for that, Like I love that kind of stuff,
Speaker 2: but just not a curiosity coming from your perspective. Have
Speaker 2: you ever looked into like some of the stories of death,
Speaker 2: near death experiences and stuff like that, and like what
Speaker 2: do you what are your thoughts?
Speaker 4: I was going on, I've had a few myself. Oh,
Speaker 4: so like it's a it's a very existential list. What
Speaker 4: kind of outlook when you have an experience like that?
Speaker 4: I've had a few. I had one actually last year
Speaker 4: that I didn't even talk about. I just showed up
Speaker 4: on podcasts and then tell anybody. But I went through
Speaker 4: something like crazy and I thought I was like I
Speaker 4: thought I was gonna die, Like I was like, oh
Speaker 4: my god, this is it. But I didn't tell nobody.
Speaker 4: I didn't tell family, friends, nobody knew it was. So
Speaker 4: it was like the secret that I had, and it
Speaker 4: was eating me, uh, eating me up. And uh I'm fine,
Speaker 4: I'm good and I'm healthy and I'm.
Speaker 3: Happy that what happened, what caused that situation.
Speaker 4: I don't even want to talk about it, all right,
Speaker 4: I can respect that. Yeah, there's just like some health
Speaker 4: stuff and uh, but I'm good and uh but then
Speaker 4: after like I healed from from whatever was going on
Speaker 4: every single day, I'm like grateful. So I'm like more
Speaker 4: grateful and I understand my time's limited and also being
Speaker 4: an addiction. There's a lot of those things that happened
Speaker 4: a lot with like your my friends all like a
Speaker 4: lot of them dying and people that you meet in
Speaker 4: recovery and whatnot. So it's just, uh, I'm more grateful
Speaker 4: now for like just like I'm like, I'm feeling good today.
Speaker 4: This is great. You know, like what did.
Speaker 2: You what did you experience on that other side though?
Speaker 2: Did you have a crazy experience?
Speaker 4: It wasn't like I didn't die, so it was just
Speaker 4: like I felt like I was dying, So it was
Speaker 4: it wasn't like, uh, but I was in this car
Speaker 4: crash once in Vegas when I was fourteen, and we
Speaker 4: we like, you know, snuck out of the house. We
Speaker 4: started driving around the strip. We went to like all
Speaker 4: the different places in the strip, gambled and we're fourteen
Speaker 4: and whatnot, and we were drinking and smoking whatnot. Fourteen
Speaker 4: year old rats, Yes that we're on the freeway and
Speaker 4: a drunk driver hits us on the freeway and the
Speaker 4: cars like swerving like this, and I'm like, time froze
Speaker 4: and i didn't have my seatbelt on and I'm in
Speaker 4: the backseat with my girlfriend at the time, and all
Speaker 4: I remember was there was no fear. There was nothing.
Speaker 4: I was just like, my Mom's going to be so pissed.
Speaker 4: I'm not wearing my seatbelt, like that was the only thing.
Speaker 4: But then we were able to catch the road and
Speaker 4: keep going. That was crazy.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I've I've interviewed a few people who have
Speaker 2: had like near death experiences, and I've also like, there's
Speaker 2: this one awesome website called nd rf dot com and dude,
Speaker 2: you can read fucking thousands of stories of people having
Speaker 2: near that near death experiences and what happens on the
Speaker 2: other side and what did they experience and did they
Speaker 2: get a message from an angel or from God or
Speaker 2: from their you know, their relatives that have passed or
Speaker 2: something like that. And I find that stuff so fascinating
Speaker 2: because it's like, man, I I don't know, I just
Speaker 2: feel like, how is it that whenever certain people die
Speaker 2: and it's usually not everybody experiences that, like, you know,
Speaker 2: typically it's like maybe they get into a car crash
Speaker 2: or I talked to this one gentleman got run over
Speaker 2: by a fucking train and lived to talk about it.
Speaker 2: But what he experienced on the other side was like
Speaker 2: mind blowing. He essentially he experienced well, he became like
Speaker 2: part of the universe, essentially, like he was just like
Speaker 2: this fucking energy that was he goes. The only way
Speaker 2: I can describe it is that I was just this
Speaker 2: energy thing and I was like essentially like floating around
Speaker 2: in the universe. And he talked about like some of
Speaker 2: the crazy spectacles that he was able to see, Like
Speaker 2: he he talks about how he saw a waterfall of
Speaker 2: stars and he knew for a fact that he was
Speaker 2: not separate from the whole, but he was the whole.
Speaker 2: It just I don't know, it's really it's really strange.
Speaker 2: It's just the different perspectives that you that you have
Speaker 2: whenever you're on that other side or whatever. And that's
Speaker 2: just what I'm so fascinated about. And then you know,
Speaker 2: you start And the reason why I bring that up
Speaker 2: is because you have like certain like maybe ancient I
Speaker 2: don't know if they still do it anymore, but like
Speaker 2: certain death rituals to where you'll you'll die and like
Speaker 2: the for the sole reason of killing yourself to allow
Speaker 2: another entity to come into your body.
Speaker 6: Right, that's how the Freemasons do it. Dude.
Speaker 5: You get raised a Mason from a coffin. That's a
Speaker 5: mock murder of Higrum, the builder of the Temple of Solomon.
Speaker 5: It's a whole thing. So, yeah, there are still cults
Speaker 5: out there that are practicing the o cult as far
Speaker 5: as mock debts and in some cases even actual debts
Speaker 5: to achieve the other side.
Speaker 6: Absolutely.
Speaker 4: I mean it's death and rebirth rituals.
Speaker 2: Yep, right right, and those are so damn fascinating, especially
Speaker 2: whenever you like pair it up with people that have
Speaker 2: had near death experiences, because those people they always come
Speaker 2: out different, Like you're not going to have a near
Speaker 2: death experience and then go about your regular day if
Speaker 2: you would before.
Speaker 4: That's interesting. And so I don't know if there's like
Speaker 4: a purpose, like it's probably like like the like the
Speaker 4: ritual of it, Like it's kind of like you're like, wow,
Speaker 4: you know what, and maybe we go through that watching
Speaker 4: a horror movie or going on a roller coaster. Maybe
Speaker 4: those are like the same type of rituals in the sense.
Speaker 5: Like micros for the macro having like a near death
Speaker 5: experience be simulated by a mass adrenaline.
Speaker 6: Don't going down a roller coaster or something.
Speaker 2: I feel this well, And it's very similar to like
Speaker 2: they say that whenever you die you have like this
Speaker 2: huge rush of DMT that gets released, right. And and
Speaker 2: so I've talked to somebody who had a near death
Speaker 2: experience and has done DMT, and I'm like, are they
Speaker 2: similar at all?
Speaker 3: And They're like, dude.
Speaker 2: They're the exact same fucking experience, Like it's the same shit.
Speaker 2: And I was like, God, damn, that's kind of crazy.
Speaker 6: Dude.
Speaker 5: A buddy of mine that got he was pronounced dead
Speaker 5: six different times from the moment his bit got hit
Speaker 5: from an ied in Afghanistans to the time he woke
Speaker 5: up in the hospital in Germany dead like Coddy they
Speaker 5: time of death, the whole nine six times.
Speaker 6: He said, there was nothing on the other side. It
Speaker 6: just went black.
Speaker 5: And then he, you know, he woke up and he
Speaker 5: was like, oh, well, all right, cool, and he's I mean,
Speaker 5: he went on to become a cop for hire in California.
Speaker 5: I don't know what a boy Dean is doing these
Speaker 5: days at being a Mese fuck. I love him to death,
Speaker 5: But beside the point, like talked about person, and you're right,
Speaker 5: but we've talked about that though. It's not that there
Speaker 5: was nothing on the other side.
Speaker 2: It's just that he didn't experience anything on the other side,
Speaker 2: which are that is a different thing.
Speaker 6: That I asked him this too.
Speaker 5: I was like, so, what if you'd ever saw anything
Speaker 5: on the other side, because it wasn't really your time, right,
Speaker 5: And he's not a religious person, a spiritual person. He's
Speaker 5: a fuck it Allian. If you're gonna give it a title, right,
Speaker 5: that's his nomination. And he's like, I mean, I've heard
Speaker 5: people say this. Maybe that's accurate, Maybe there is nothing
Speaker 5: on the other side.
Speaker 6: I don't know, dude, this.
Speaker 5: Is just kind of what it is for what I experienced.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, so all these other stories of people
Speaker 5: seeing God, seeing their grandmother, seeing Vishnu all this, He's like,
Speaker 5: I didn't see shit, So I don't know. It's a
Speaker 5: very different person to person. It's like saying a mushroom trip.
Speaker 5: Is it a standard across the board where everybody experiences
Speaker 5: the same thing. It's it varies person to person experience
Speaker 5: the experience day to day.
Speaker 6: I mean, who knows.
Speaker 2: I mean they rhyme a little bit, but it's always
Speaker 2: going to be looking through the lens of your mind.
Speaker 3: So I don't know. And I almost wonder, like.
Speaker 2: If what he experienced was like a dream type of situation,
Speaker 2: you know, and you wake up and like, like this
Speaker 2: morning I woke up, I could remember my whole like
Speaker 2: my dreams, Like I can remember my dreams every single morning,
Speaker 2: Like there's never a morning that I don't remember my dreams.
Speaker 2: But as soon as I like go and check my
Speaker 2: phone or checking you know whatever notifications, it just drifts away.
Speaker 2: I don't even I couldn't tell you even what it
Speaker 2: rhymed with, Like there's nothing.
Speaker 6: It comes from the.
Speaker 5: Moment the el took off to the moment he woke
Speaker 5: up in Germany, he thought was like a couple of days.
Speaker 5: It was a good chunk of time. And in that
Speaker 5: time he was pronounced dead six times. He he has
Speaker 5: no memory of any of that. He didn't even remember
Speaker 5: his boys like calling for a medic, trying to turn
Speaker 5: a cut him.
Speaker 6: He has no memory of any of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's wow. It definitely differs from person to person.
Speaker 2: But you know, that's what I was wanting to really
Speaker 2: tie it into, is the whole death and rebirth kind
Speaker 2: of ritual, because you'll have certain, you know, cases like that,
Speaker 2: and it's not only just in freemasonry, although it's a
Speaker 2: big one, but they have they've been doing it, I
Speaker 2: believe since like for thousands of years, because they were
Speaker 2: trying to some of them were trying to bring back
Speaker 2: the old gods in essence to so they would die,
Speaker 2: there would be a ritual and and it would just
Speaker 2: be a temporary death.
Speaker 3: Maybe they took some kind.
Speaker 2: Of poise that would kill you that you would easily
Speaker 2: have an elixir for to be able to bring you
Speaker 2: back or whatever, right, or maybe you would get they
Speaker 2: would drown you and then you would you know, do
Speaker 2: the CPR and bring them back to life or whatever
Speaker 2: it is. But it's like they had this fascination with
Speaker 2: killing the person and then essentially bringing in another entity
Speaker 2: that would basically give everybody else in the group or
Speaker 2: everybody else within the cult some type of information from
Speaker 2: the other side. And that shit is just so damn
Speaker 2: fascinating to me because it's like, you know, if it
Speaker 2: didn't work, why do they keep doing it, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Also they got a mock execution, which is sort
Speaker 4: of the same ritual. And toy Stoyevsky he had a
Speaker 4: mock execution happened to him where he went, and he
Speaker 4: thought they were going to kill him, and right before
Speaker 4: they did it, they didn't, so he thought he was
Speaker 4: going to die. So that was and I think this
Speaker 4: is what happened to Jordan Pete. I think Jordan Peterson
Speaker 4: went to Russia and they did a mock execution on him.
Speaker 4: Even Trump that could have been a mock execution too,
Speaker 4: where they knew they weren't going to take him out
Speaker 4: and they were going to be like, uh getting who knows.
Speaker 4: But I think Jordan Peterson this happened too, because he
Speaker 4: does talk about dous Stoevsky all the time, and after
Speaker 4: he went to Russia he came back and he cries
Speaker 4: all the time on every podcast, like as if there's
Speaker 4: some sort of internal thing going on in his psyche.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I never thought of it like that because
Speaker 2: he was like really coming up on death there for
Speaker 2: a minute. I mean, no matter what you think about
Speaker 2: Jordan Peterson, fucking knowledgeable guy, like man, does he know
Speaker 2: his shit, right?
Speaker 5: He's very well read, I'll give him that, which is
Speaker 5: why he brings up douv Skoyevsky a lot, is because
Speaker 5: it's more of the I don't want to say, just
Speaker 5: philosophical look at things, but also not inaccurate to say
Speaker 5: that either.
Speaker 6: I don't know. Man he was.
Speaker 5: He was big, big for a hot minute there. I
Speaker 5: can't tell you the last time I heard anything from him. Honestly,
Speaker 5: I think it's been probably like six months, and I
Speaker 5: know he's still out there. He's still making content in
Speaker 5: all this. But like in my algorithm of like shit
Speaker 5: that I typically like as I'm scrolling through and I'll
Speaker 5: watch or whatever, I haven't seen Peterson really come up
Speaker 5: in a good little minute.
Speaker 6: I wondered his like, it's kind of in that EBB
Speaker 6: and flow period.
Speaker 5: I wonder if he's in that EBB and he's about
Speaker 5: to skyrocket back up with a flow.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I saw him speak live when he first came out.
Speaker 4: When he went on like his first tour, you could
Speaker 4: hear in a stadium of thousands of people, a freaking
Speaker 4: pin drop you would talk and it was just quiet.
Speaker 4: It was interesting. But he comes from the Harvard psych
Speaker 4: Department head of Harvard psych same thing with Timothy Larry,
Speaker 4: who was a big part of like the MK ultra counterculture,
Speaker 4: bringing sort of like k to the world. And Jordan
Speaker 4: Peterson's doing the same thing but instead of chaos, he's
Speaker 4: bringing order and his books called like Order and Chaos, uh,
Speaker 4: you know, which is a known secret society saying, too
Speaker 4: order out of chaos. It seems like there could be
Speaker 4: something else up, but yeah.
Speaker 3: Who knows, who knows?
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