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Speaker 1: We got the privilege of talking to John today. John
Speaker 1: is a BFRO investigator from the great state of Washington,
Speaker 1: and I reach out to him after I tracked him
Speaker 1: down from seeing his name and a BFRO report. And
Speaker 1: that's a sneaky thing I do, but sometimes it works. John,
Speaker 1: Thank you for being on the show tonight.
Speaker 2: Not a problem. Thank you so much for having me Jeremiah,
Speaker 2: and I don't mind you tracking me down. You're not
Speaker 2: the first person to do it through the BFR Report website.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you're going to share a few really cool things
Speaker 1: that have happened to you over the years, and can't
Speaker 1: wait to hear some really cool stuff that have happened
Speaker 1: on the BFRO expeditions, and maybe some other things as well.
Speaker 1: We'll see. But John, I'm going to go ahead and
Speaker 1: let you take over from here, take us back to
Speaker 1: the beginning whatever happened first, and we'll chat along the way.
Speaker 2: So, hey, not a problem. So I had an interest
Speaker 2: in Bigfoot from working as a young person. I saw
Speaker 2: the Mysterious Monster movie that came out. My sister took
Speaker 2: me to that, and then I put that on the shelf.
Speaker 2: And then later on in life, in my late twenties,
Speaker 2: I was working at the warehouse with a couple of
Speaker 2: guys and they went down on an expedition in Oregon
Speaker 2: with Peter Burn and they rekindled the interest in Bigfoot
Speaker 2: while they were talking about it. After they came back,
Speaker 2: so checked out the internet. The internet was a new
Speaker 2: thing in the late nineties, and so I found the
Speaker 2: DFROL website and actually offered expeditions, and I thought, man,
Speaker 2: that's really cool. So in two thousand and six, I
Speaker 2: signed up for my first expedition. It was east of
Speaker 2: Mount Rainier, so I signed up for that one. It
Speaker 2: was in August of that year, pretty hot, and it
Speaker 2: was a great location, and so I just I got
Speaker 2: there a day early. The expeditions usually run Thursday through Sunday,
Speaker 2: and I got there on a Wednesday, and I met
Speaker 2: some great people, met Moneymaker was up there, and just
Speaker 2: fell in love with all the stuff that's going on.
Speaker 2: And so one of the things that happened on that expedition,
Speaker 2: and like I mentioned to your earlier, a lot of
Speaker 2: things after the newbies on these expeditions. So I was
Speaker 2: we were out night walking one night and it was late,
Speaker 2: it was about one or two in the morning or so,
Speaker 2: and we had it was hot, so we're sweaty, and
Speaker 2: we're tired, and we're dusty a little bit. Myself and
Speaker 2: a couple other people came back to camp and I
Speaker 2: was camped in this little tent. It was back in
Speaker 2: the woods next to a toe of a mountain. We
Speaker 2: were right next to a mountain and I was butt tired,
Speaker 2: so I climbed into my little tent. I got into
Speaker 2: my sleeping bag. You're in your underwear there. It's hot.
Speaker 2: You're just laying there, and I'm just really tired, and
Speaker 2: I'm laying there and I'm trying not to sweat, but
Speaker 2: you're gonna do it anyway. And I'm laying I've been
Speaker 2: laying there for about twenty minutes, and it's really quiet
Speaker 2: out there. It's very peaceful, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: I hear footsteps, bipedal footsteps coming up to my tent.
Speaker 2: You know, there's a little plants and bushes on the
Speaker 2: ground and everything. He was stomp. It's not stomp, it's
Speaker 2: maybe I can tell it's bipal. You tell it's walking slow.
Speaker 2: And I didn't look out because I don't have a
Speaker 2: screen on the tent that I can see out of
Speaker 2: or anything. And I'm laying there and I'm really tired,
Speaker 2: and I hear this thing up towards my tent and
Speaker 2: I think it's one of the campus to say hello,
Speaker 2: who is it? And the footsteps stop, and so I'm
Speaker 2: just laying there. I'm tired, and I'm just like, well,
Speaker 2: what is this person doing? Then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: after about not all of a sudden, but after thirty seconds,
Speaker 2: it starts walking even closer and it's not heavy, the
Speaker 2: ground is not shaking or anything. I'm just hearing this
Speaker 2: and it gets up to about even with my head
Speaker 2: on the side of the tent. I go, okay, who's
Speaker 2: out there? And it stops again. I don't hear any breathing,
Speaker 2: I don't hear it doing anything. After another thirty seconds,
Speaker 2: it starts walking up past my tent, you know, And
Speaker 2: I said, hey, who is it? And it stops about
Speaker 2: the end of my tent. I'm like, I should get up.
Speaker 2: I should unsit this thing and crawl out there and
Speaker 2: shine a flashlight on this thing and see who it is,
Speaker 2: because they're bugging the heck out of me and I
Speaker 2: don't know what it is, that's right, And then I go,
Speaker 2: I'm sitting here in my underwear, so that's probably not cool.
Speaker 2: I don't want to scare anybody like that, so I
Speaker 2: let it go. Then I hear this thing walk off,
Speaker 2: and it just walks off down towards my friend Scott
Speaker 2: Taylor's camp. He's going to be a Farro investigator. Great guy.
Speaker 2: We happen to be on the very first expedition together,
Speaker 2: and so that was it. It walks down towards Scott
Speaker 2: camp and Scott's camp, and the next day I asked him,
Speaker 2: I has, hey, does something walk around your tent? And
Speaker 2: he didn't say anything. He didn't hear anything right like that.
Speaker 2: But we did wake up and we did find some
Speaker 2: footprints coming out of the woods, a swamp area, but
Speaker 2: the tob of mountain, there's a creek down there, but
Speaker 2: there's that swampy area, but it's coming out of that area,
Speaker 2: and it's walking down a dirt road, an offshoot of
Speaker 2: the main road, and we find these nine inch footprints
Speaker 2: and they come out of the forest and what do
Speaker 2: you know, they walk right up to my tent and
Speaker 2: they walk by my tent and they go past my tent.
Speaker 2: Obviously I didn't see what happened or who it was,
Speaker 2: but we're thinking, you know, a little sasquatch came out
Speaker 2: of the woods and walked up to my tent. And
Speaker 2: I keep kicking myself for not getting out there trying
Speaker 2: to flashlight on it. But I was told, oh, we
Speaker 2: don't want to do that, we don't want to scare them.
Speaker 2: Shame on me. But that's the first expedition I went on.
Speaker 2: And then at the end of the expedition, so it
Speaker 2: was a Saturday night, so Scott and I decided to
Speaker 2: backpack in towards the mountain. It's not too far, but
Speaker 2: you got a bushwalk in there. So we packed up
Speaker 2: in the last Saturday night. We got in there and
Speaker 2: we slept out on the ground and we were hoping
Speaker 2: something would happen, but nothing happened during the night. And
Speaker 2: as we were all packed up in the morning on
Speaker 2: Sunday morning, we're about to walk out, we hear this knock,
Speaker 2: big power knock, about seventy five yards away towards towards
Speaker 2: the mountain. And of course, now, being an experienced investigator,
Speaker 2: you're going to walk towards that. You're going to go
Speaker 2: see what it is. But for some reason, Scott and
Speaker 2: I looked at each other and went, oh, that was cool.
Speaker 2: Being newbies were oh, and we just hiked back out.
Speaker 2: We just didn't do a thing with it. And so
Speaker 2: keep kicking myself for not going through there and seeing
Speaker 2: what was making that and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: But that's the very first expedition I went on. So
Speaker 2: after that experience, I was hooked. So that was the
Speaker 2: first experience. I didn't see a sasquatch. I don't I
Speaker 2: can't confirm it was a sasquatch, but being positional evidence
Speaker 2: like that, you got the footprints coming out of the
Speaker 2: woods and all the sounds by my tent and everything.
Speaker 2: Pretty sure we had a juvenile walking around there.
Speaker 1: Logically that makes sense because what else is going to
Speaker 1: walk out of the woods like that with their feet?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, but that was cool. Yeah, that's the first
Speaker 2: one there. That's the cool one, well one of the
Speaker 2: cool ones. But do have another one, and it is
Speaker 2: this is a good one. So two years later, two
Speaker 2: thousand and eight, I was on another BFRO expedition in
Speaker 2: the same area, not the same campsite, but in the
Speaker 2: same area, and this is a good one. So we
Speaker 2: had a bunch of people on this expedition too. I
Speaker 2: have we do disperse camping, so we don't use regular
Speaker 2: campgrounds or anything like that. And I got my car
Speaker 2: up this old jinky logging road up into the area
Speaker 2: we're camping at and I got my car up there,
Speaker 2: which is amazing because I barely get my truck up
Speaker 2: there now. But I'm camped up and the campsite is
Speaker 2: spread out probably about two three acres in total, but
Speaker 2: it's in the woods, it's in the middle of the
Speaker 2: woods with old roads going around in the trees and
Speaker 2: everything like that. And you come into the camp off
Speaker 2: the main road. You get up in there and it's
Speaker 2: a flat area, and then towards the north there's a
Speaker 2: berm that kind of runs along one side of the campground,
Speaker 2: and on the other side of the berm there's a
Speaker 2: kind of a swampy area and stuff like that. But
Speaker 2: there's trees growing all over everything, all over the flat
Speaker 2: place and the berm and everything. You just find a
Speaker 2: spot in between everything to camping, which is what I did.
Speaker 2: I had a tent set up, a little table and
Speaker 2: chair and stuff like that. So I've got a chair
Speaker 2: to sit on and table to cook on and all
Speaker 2: that kind of business. And so two of the guests,
Speaker 2: or before the guests, actually there was two gentlemen and
Speaker 2: their twelve year old sons. So there was a father
Speaker 2: and son and their friends and so they had the
Speaker 2: two kids and they had their bikes with them. So
Speaker 2: these twelve year olds are they get there and they
Speaker 2: set up camp and there I'm on top of the berm,
Speaker 2: and they're about fifty yards away for me down the
Speaker 2: berm lower. So I'm on top of the berm. They're
Speaker 2: down lower on the berm, about fifty yards away. I
Speaker 2: can't see them because there's a bunch of trees in
Speaker 2: the way. It's not too bad, but you can't really see.
Speaker 2: So that's the camping situation. And all through these days
Speaker 2: the kids are out riding their bikes and they're just
Speaker 2: chearing it up and it's fun. They're out on the
Speaker 2: roads and everything. And now is a bfur O investigator
Speaker 2: and a little more experience. The kids are great for
Speaker 2: attracting sasquatches. They really just cut loose. They don't care.
Speaker 2: They're laughing, they're screaming, they're all that stuff, and obviously
Speaker 2: we think the sasquatches are interested in that. They think
Speaker 2: it's pretty cool. So these kids are out riding their
Speaker 2: bikes and everything, and it's really neat, and so they're out.
Speaker 2: It's Friday night and I'm sitting in camp. We got
Speaker 2: a fire going. I'd been out in the last couple
Speaker 2: of nights messing around. I was tired. So I'm sitting
Speaker 2: at camp around the fire and my friend Dale Southwick
Speaker 2: is sitting next to me, and Dale has got a
Speaker 2: When you have first generation Russian night vision binocular. So
Speaker 2: he's got a set of binoculars that are Russian. They've
Speaker 2: got night vision on it and it's got infrared assist
Speaker 2: on it. And so I'm sitting next to day at
Speaker 2: the campfire. And so the boys and their fathers go
Speaker 2: out on a night walk and they're out there and
Speaker 2: they come back about eleven PM. And it's dark by then.
Speaker 2: No moon is really out. You've got some starlight you
Speaker 2: can see, but it's not that great. So it's dark.
Speaker 2: The moon isn't up yet. And the kids come back
Speaker 2: and the fathers and they go back to their own
Speaker 2: camping area and they've got a little picnic table set up,
Speaker 2: and they've got up on the berm. They've got a
Speaker 2: latrine up there with a tarp around it, and they
Speaker 2: have a couple they have a pickup truck that's towing
Speaker 2: a trailer, and then they've got another car and they're
Speaker 2: parked around in their camp. And then they've got a
Speaker 2: tent that they sleep in and everything like that. So
Speaker 2: that's their camp. And they were down at the bottom
Speaker 2: of the berm, which burm's about twenty feet high. It's
Speaker 2: a sloping berm and it's easy to walk up. It's
Speaker 2: not too bad, but it's got trees growing on and
Speaker 2: on the sides and on the top of a little bit.
Speaker 2: It's not thick, but there are trees all over the place.
Speaker 2: And so these guys are camped over there, and about oh,
Speaker 2: I don't know, about eleven thirty twelve, I decided to
Speaker 2: go back to my camp and I passed. I don't
Speaker 2: go through their camp, but I passed by their camp
Speaker 2: to get to mind and it's about fifty or sixty
Speaker 2: yards away. I'm sitting up there, and so I just
Speaker 2: go joining my sit in my chair and get something
Speaker 2: to drink, and I've got a walkie talking young. I've
Speaker 2: got the ear piece in so you can't hear anything.
Speaker 2: As we were told, an you'll try and be as
Speaker 2: quiet as possible, all that kind of stuff. And so
Speaker 2: actually before then, I need to go back a little bit.
Speaker 2: And we're sitting around the fire and we hear the
Speaker 2: group coming back and they're radio wing and hey, we're
Speaker 2: coming back, and we've got a couple of barred owls
Speaker 2: following us. That's weird. Bard owls or any owl just
Speaker 2: doesn't follow people. And we'd we ask them, what do
Speaker 2: you mean, And they said, there's one on one side
Speaker 2: of the road and it hoots and the one on
Speaker 2: the other side of the road answers back, and it's
Speaker 2: been doing that for the last half mile. Now, these
Speaker 2: two howls have been following us for the last half mile.
Speaker 2: That immediately piques our interest because owls don't follow people.
Speaker 2: They start coming up there road into camp and they
Speaker 2: get close to camp and you can hear these bard owls.
Speaker 2: You know, how bart owl is going to go? No,
Speaker 2: who cooks for you? What was funny is one bart
Speaker 2: owl would call and we'ld go, and then you hear
Speaker 2: what we now know is samurai chatter at the end
Speaker 2: of it. So it's a willy'll will go up and
Speaker 2: then the one on the other side of the road
Speaker 2: would answer, go. So we're thinking, those are the weirdest
Speaker 2: barred owls we've ever heard. That's not a normal barred
Speaker 2: owl call, and so that's kind of interesting. And they
Speaker 2: stopped calling back and forth, oh, probably about thirty yards
Speaker 2: before the group arrived back in camp. So that's weird.
Speaker 2: That's really weird. But you know, I could get back
Speaker 2: to camp, nothing's going on, So I went I decide
Speaker 2: to go back to camp. And so I'm sitting there.
Speaker 2: I'm back at camp now, and I'm just in the
Speaker 2: chair and I'm just listening to the walkie talks. It's warm,
Speaker 2: and so all of a sudden, we hear over the
Speaker 2: walkie talking one of the fathers going, hey, we help
Speaker 2: over here, and the leader, I think it was Kevin
Speaker 2: Jones at the time, he just calls them, what do
Speaker 2: you need and he goes, hey, we got some little creatures,
Speaker 2: a little sasquatches run around our cars and they're looking
Speaker 2: at us from behind the cars, and we're going, oh, cool,
Speaker 2: that's that's what we want. So Kevin's really cool and
Speaker 2: he goes like, you, where are you, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: Why do you need help? He goes, We're sitting in
Speaker 2: the middle of our picnic table with a lantern. We're scared,
Speaker 2: and we're watching these things run around our cars. They're
Speaker 2: peeking out looking at us, and we'll describe to us.
Speaker 2: I'm are about three feet tall. They just peek out
Speaker 2: and they look at us. And so I'm listening to
Speaker 2: this and I'm going, this is really cool. And they're
Speaker 2: giving us a play by play over the walkie talkie
Speaker 2: down there, and so I'm sitting there listening to this man.
Speaker 2: This is awesome. And this went on for about a
Speaker 2: half hour or so and Kevin just say, just sit tight.
Speaker 2: This is why you're here, this is why you come
Speaker 2: on these expeditions to experience this. And they're trying to
Speaker 2: remain calm, but they've got two twelve year old boys
Speaker 2: that are getting freaked out. And they're freaked out. You
Speaker 2: can hear it in the voice, but they say, oh yeah.
Speaker 2: And then there's one that's looking over the tarp for
Speaker 2: the latri at Us. It's up. They got tarp's about
Speaker 2: seven feet tall and this thing's looking over at them.
Speaker 2: So this thing's got to be taller than that. And
Speaker 2: so they're being watched by the little ones and the
Speaker 2: bigger ones, which we assume are their parents or something,
Speaker 2: are watching these little ones. Take a look at these boys.
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Speaker 2: These are the boys they've seen riding their bikes down
Speaker 2: the dirt roads for three days so far, and they're interested.
Speaker 2: So evidently the Bigfoot parents brought these little guys in
Speaker 2: to kind of watch these boys, and so that's what's
Speaker 2: going on. So they can't. They brought their little ones
Speaker 2: around their camp and they're letting them run around and
Speaker 2: take a look at these boys. And so it went
Speaker 2: off for about a half hour, and then finally somebody said, oh,
Speaker 2: we think they're gone. That's cool, but today say, oh, no,
Speaker 2: they're back again. So there's a lull in that, but
Speaker 2: then they started again. And I'm sitting there and I've
Speaker 2: got up out of my chair by this time. I'm
Speaker 2: looking over towards their camp. I can't see anything. If
Speaker 2: you want to stand and you look at that direction,
Speaker 2: see if something happens. But I'm standing there and I
Speaker 2: look down the burn to my catty cord to my left,
Speaker 2: and I see about thirty yards away or so I see.
Speaker 2: I know there's trees there, but you can't see them
Speaker 2: because it's dark. And I see a set of eyes
Speaker 2: that's orangish yellow, lean out as if someone's leaning out
Speaker 2: from behind a tree and explant a little bit, and
Speaker 2: they're orangish yellow, and they're about five or six feet
Speaker 2: off the ground. And then right below them, I see
Speaker 2: a set of green eyes lean out and look at me,
Speaker 2: and they're about two and a half three feet off
Speaker 2: the ground, and they lean out and they look for
Speaker 2: about two seconds, and then they go back and I
Speaker 2: can't see them anymore. I don't see the eyes anymore,
Speaker 2: and I thought, man, that's weird. Something's over there. I thought,
Speaker 2: maybe it's a squatch. I've been told they have different
Speaker 2: color eyes and stuff like that. I said, that's really cool.
Speaker 2: And then about a minute later, about ten yards closer,
Speaker 2: the same thing happens. It's a set of eyes. It's
Speaker 2: orangish yellow, leans out about six feet off the ground,
Speaker 2: and then the little green set leans out and looks
Speaker 2: at me about three feet off the ground. And then
Speaker 2: they look at me for about two seconds, and they
Speaker 2: go back and I lose sight of them. And then
Speaker 2: I wait another but so I'm intrigued. I'm looking over there.
Speaker 2: This time, another thirty seconds go by, and they're ten
Speaker 2: yards close. The same thing happens. The oranges yellow eyes
Speaker 2: look out about six feet off the ground, and little
Speaker 2: green eyes look out at me about three feet off
Speaker 2: the ground. I said, man, that's really cool. I think
Speaker 2: there's a sasquatch. But I can't really see any definition
Speaker 2: of the body or anything like that. I don't know.
Speaker 2: You can't tell I can't prove it a sasquatch. But
Speaker 2: then again, what does that? That's cool? And I didn't
Speaker 2: see the eyes after that. They must have went back
Speaker 2: or something and they started. I was thinking, I can't
Speaker 2: see him anymore. And then but you know, about four
Speaker 2: minutes later, they go back and do the same thing.
Speaker 2: Now they're ten yards back from before, and the yellow
Speaker 2: eyes yellow orange eyes peak out, and the green eyes
Speaker 2: peak out down below, and they go back behind a
Speaker 2: tree I'm assuming, and they walk back. Now a minute
Speaker 2: later they're ten yards behind and the yellow eyes peak out,
Speaker 2: and then the green and ice peak out, and then
Speaker 2: they go back down the burn the same way. I thought, man,
Speaker 2: that's really cool. They came in doing that and they
Speaker 2: left the same way, and I'm go, man, that was
Speaker 2: really weird. I'm just now I'm excited. So I'm standing there,
Speaker 2: and about five minutes later, I'm standing there, and where
Speaker 2: I'm standing it's there's a dirt road in there, and
Speaker 2: on the other side of the dirt road from me,
Speaker 2: it dips down a ways and it goes up towards
Speaker 2: the camp where the boys are. It slopes down a
Speaker 2: little bit from the road. It's not a drastic slope,
Speaker 2: and it dips down and I'm standing there and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, up from the other side of the road,
Speaker 2: this big shadow comes up, this big dark shadow, and
Speaker 2: then these two huge red glowing eyes just up here,
Speaker 2: coming up, and it looks at me, and I go
Speaker 2: and I just stood there. My mouth is open. I go,
Speaker 2: Holy crap, what is this thing? And this thing is big,
Speaker 2: and I can see it's shadow. It's dark, but it's
Speaker 2: a different dark then what's out there. It's darker than
Speaker 2: the normal surroundings. This thing is dark, and it's got
Speaker 2: two big, huge red glowing eyes on the top of
Speaker 2: whatever it is. And it is standing there looking at me,
Speaker 2: and it's maybe thirty feet for me, maybe thirty feet
Speaker 2: and I'm just standing I don't know what to do,
Speaker 2: and I'm looking at this thing and it looks at
Speaker 2: me and for a night one Mississippi, two Mississippi, three Mississippi.
Speaker 2: And then it turns and it walks down the road
Speaker 2: away from me, the little sand road we has. It
Speaker 2: was going to go where I was, and it saw
Speaker 2: me and I was in its way, and it just
Speaker 2: oh crap, And it turns and walks down the road
Speaker 2: and I'm standing there, going what did I just see
Speaker 2: this sucker was huge, and it walks down the road
Speaker 2: and I call one of the guys that's down there
Speaker 2: camping through, and I go, hey, this big thing with
Speaker 2: glowing red eyes just came up on the road and
Speaker 2: looked at me. And now it's coming down to your place.
Speaker 2: You guys might not take a look and see if
Speaker 2: you can see it. And so I don't know if
Speaker 2: they saw it or not. I think they were in
Speaker 2: their tan or something like that, but man, that was
Speaker 2: really cool. And so the next I told everybody over
Speaker 2: the walking Talk and say, hey, man, you never believe this.
Speaker 2: What happened? Oh that's cool, that's cool. And so the
Speaker 2: next morning, these expeditions, we always have a meeting in
Speaker 2: the morning or later in the morning, and everybody says, hey,
Speaker 2: what happened last night, And so obviously the kids and
Speaker 2: their dads were explaining what was going on. I was like, oh, man,
Speaker 2: that's really cool, that's awesome. And then they asked me
Speaker 2: what happened to say, Hey, this huge thing came looking
Speaker 2: at me and it is what it is, and these
Speaker 2: big red eyes looked at me. And then I walked
Speaker 2: down the road and I had gone that morning before
Speaker 2: I went to the group meeting, I tried to figure
Speaker 2: out how tall it was. And there was a branch
Speaker 2: hanging down from one of the trees that I saw
Speaker 2: that the eyes were next to, and I went and
Speaker 2: measured that and the branch was nine and a half
Speaker 2: feet off the ground. So these eyes were nine and
Speaker 2: a half feet off the ground. So that thing's probably
Speaker 2: a ten foot That was a big dude, And so
Speaker 2: I explained this that wow, man, that's really cool. And
Speaker 2: my friend the Dale with the night Vision Binocracy, he says, man,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna sit with you in your campground or your
Speaker 2: camp site tonight and we're going to see if the
Speaker 2: same thing happens, because that's really cool. So we had
Speaker 2: the boys go ride their bikes again out there and
Speaker 2: see if we can do there retreat the same thing
Speaker 2: that night. So last night, Saturday night, and so they
Speaker 2: did that. So they're out riding around and all that
Speaker 2: good stuff. And then they come back and they went
Speaker 2: on a night walking stuff and I wasn't at the
Speaker 2: campfire here and come in. I don't know if the
Speaker 2: bard owls were hooting at them or the supposed bart
Speaker 2: owls were hooting at them. They were really loud, and
Speaker 2: think bart owls don't do samurai chatter at the end
Speaker 2: of their call, So call it what you will. I
Speaker 2: don't think it was a bart owl. And so I'm
Speaker 2: sitting there in my campground. Dale comes up and he's
Speaker 2: sitting next to me, and it's about the same time.
Speaker 2: It's about eleven thirty ishu or whatever it is. And
Speaker 2: we're sitting there and what do you know. Down the
Speaker 2: burm about thirty yards, here come these yellowish orange eyes
Speaker 2: peeking out from behind the tree at about six feet.
Speaker 2: And here come the little green eyes peeking out same direction,
Speaker 2: about three feet tall. And I go, yeah, they're back,
Speaker 2: and he goes, is this is what happened to you
Speaker 2: last night? And go exactly and he goes, cool, we're
Speaker 2: going to look at them through the night vision with
Speaker 2: infrared assist. We'll see if we can see them through
Speaker 2: these pedoculars. Okay, cool, that's awesome. So they come again
Speaker 2: about a thirty seconds layer they're closer about ten yards.
Speaker 2: Here come the orangesh yellow eyes peeking out from behind
Speaker 2: the tree about six feet. Here come the little green
Speaker 2: ones poking out about three feet and he goes, okay,
Speaker 2: I got him I can see him through the night vision,
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna hit the infrared assist. Here we go.
Speaker 2: I go cool, this is going to be great. We're
Speaker 2: going to see these things and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: The second that Dale hits that infrared assist button on
Speaker 2: all those night vision binoculars, everything takes off. We heard
Speaker 2: five creatures. These two creatures we were looking at. They
Speaker 2: went down the burn to as a swamp. You can
Speaker 2: hear them run on and they're heavy boom. We heard
Speaker 2: two there. We also heard two on the other side
Speaker 2: of us in the camp and there was one north
Speaker 2: of us. And we heard five creatures just run, literally run,
Speaker 2: stomping as they go, shaking the ground. Run out of
Speaker 2: our campsite, just run out of our campsite. Anyone of
Speaker 2: these creatures are around, you can tell the air is electric.
Speaker 2: You feel that feeling there and you just know something's
Speaker 2: around there. Around the second we hit that infrared assist,
Speaker 2: all these creatures took off. You could hear them, you
Speaker 2: could feel in the ground they're stomping, I mean, and
Speaker 2: they ran and they took up and it was like
Speaker 2: that electricity that was in the air when they were around.
Speaker 2: It's like a bubble burst. It's like these things just
Speaker 2: left and you knew they were not coming back. You
Speaker 2: knew it. And that's how we think. Can't prove it obviously,
Speaker 2: but we think the creatures can see in the infrared,
Speaker 2: and so that's why we think a lot of game
Speaker 2: cameras they use the infrared. Those you don't really get
Speaker 2: a lot of them on game cameras. I know that
Speaker 2: we have game camera pictures of them and some people
Speaker 2: do and all that kind of stuff, But that just
Speaker 2: told us that, hey, they might see this infrared stuff.
Speaker 2: And you can put out trio cameras all you want,
Speaker 2: but if they're using infrared, I think these things can
Speaker 2: see it and they avoid it because they don't want
Speaker 2: to be seen. And so that's the second story. That's
Speaker 2: the biggie right there. That's the cool one.
Speaker 1: But that is something else. So yeah, I got some questions.
Speaker 1: So is that the first time that people realized, hey,
Speaker 1: this they can probably see infrared.
Speaker 2: I just told them what I saw. We have a
Speaker 2: blue form on there, and I got criticized. There is
Speaker 2: no way you can see glowing red eyes because the
Speaker 2: moon wasn't out, there's no backlight. These suckers glowed. All
Speaker 2: three of them. They glowed And no, they don't do that.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, hey, I'm just reporting what I saw.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Nobody's a big foot expert, So I
Speaker 2: don't care what you've been doing. You're not a big
Speaker 2: foot expert. I don't care if you've been on TV
Speaker 2: or how many expeditions you've been on. You're not an expert.
Speaker 2: But no, that's just what it is. And we just
Speaker 2: we try these experiments and stuff. But we never got
Speaker 2: at least I know if I never had the opportunity
Speaker 2: again to try that out. But that was some interesting
Speaker 2: Hopefully that's data. That's good data. But all I can
Speaker 2: say is that's what we observed. The second that infrared
Speaker 2: assist was hit. These things knew it and they left.
Speaker 2: They took off.
Speaker 1: To break down. Maybe for listeners that are not really
Speaker 1: aware about what infrared assists. So was that a thing
Speaker 1: where you press the button and then it's shooting out
Speaker 1: infrared and they're like, oh, yes, someone's here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the normal night vision stuff. It just amplifies
Speaker 2: the light that's around you. It uses a little bit
Speaker 2: of infrared, but not a lot. The INFRAREDUS is supposed
Speaker 2: to help you just light up the area. It's you
Speaker 2: can't see it, your naked eye can't see it. But
Speaker 2: the night vision binoculars would amplify that light, turning into
Speaker 2: something that you can see to use as light to
Speaker 2: see what's out there. So it's an amplification. It's not
Speaker 2: an amplification of the existing light. It's adding infrared light
Speaker 2: that helps you illuminate the area. So it wasn't the
Speaker 2: night vision binoculars. Those were fine. The second that infrared
Speaker 2: assist button was hit and it shoots all that infrared
Speaker 2: light out there, they took off. They left. So that's
Speaker 2: why we think that they might be able to see
Speaker 2: in the infrared spectrum, and that's why maybe the trail
Speaker 2: cams don't work if they use that technology.
Speaker 1: Logically, it does make sense. Are there other things that
Speaker 1: you guys are aware of that also shoot out infrared
Speaker 1: or something that's similar. I've heard people will say be careful.
Speaker 1: Lot of iPhones with face ID on them, they can
Speaker 1: shoot stuff out. Or are there any thoughts about that?
Speaker 2: No, we haven't really investing. I haven't investing. Oh god,
Speaker 2: I don't know anybody that has or anything like that.
Speaker 2: So no, this is just the infrared on there. I
Speaker 2: don't have any information on the rest of that stuff
Speaker 2: or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Gotcha question the juveniles running around the cars, that is
Speaker 1: just that is a fascinating part of the story. Was
Speaker 1: there any follow up around the area to see if
Speaker 1: there were tracks around the cars or any other evidence
Speaker 1: that was able to be gathered afterwards?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, there the heart the soil was really hard packed.
Speaker 2: It's really hard packed. It was dry. There's nothing out
Speaker 2: that You've got the pine straw that's fallen down there.
Speaker 2: You got a little bit of you know, bush's low
Speaker 2: hanging vegetation on the ground. Not a lot of footprints,
Speaker 2: just a lot of scuff marks, a lot of scuff marks.
Speaker 2: We did take a footprint on the top of the
Speaker 2: berm that we think was left by the big one
Speaker 2: that was watching over the latrine. We got a footprint
Speaker 2: out of that didn't turn out all that great because
Speaker 2: again pinestrauls all over the place to ground this hard
Speaker 2: and stuff. We got scuff marks. And I went to
Speaker 2: the area where the big one that I saw walk
Speaker 2: down the road and I found scuff marks, but I
Speaker 2: didn't find any footprints there. I found one later over
Speaker 2: Dale's camp, which was down the burn from me. I
Speaker 2: found a nice, big old footprint right in the middle
Speaker 2: of the duft and everything pretty cool. But as far
Speaker 2: as scuff marks, no, we did get a slight hand
Speaker 2: drag since it was pretty dusty there. The cars had
Speaker 2: dust on them. We did see some kind of fingerprint
Speaker 2: type things on the car where you would think a
Speaker 2: small three foot juvenile would put his hand by looking
Speaker 2: around the corner, you know, on the fender or something.
Speaker 2: But we got just it's basically, you know, the dusty
Speaker 2: drag marks. No dermal ridges or anything like that. But
Speaker 2: we did get some stuff on the cars a little bit,
Speaker 2: but nothing definitive.
Speaker 1: Big for society will be right back. After these messages,
Speaker 1: it sounds like they weren't able to take any video
Speaker 1: of them as they were running around. They were probably
Speaker 1: just freaking out by that land.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, you would be too fast. They're not expecting
Speaker 2: this to happen there. Hey, we're just gonna grow up
Speaker 2: with the big footers and have some fun and knuck
Speaker 2: it up and see that nothing happens. But no, this
Speaker 2: is before everybody had high phones and cameras and all
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. So even if they had one.
Speaker 2: I think they're a little bit too scared to drag
Speaker 2: one out anyway, because they said they're sitting in the
Speaker 2: middle of their picnic table with a lantern. They're all
Speaker 2: to be huddled together on the top of it, so
Speaker 2: I don't think that they would have pulled anything out
Speaker 2: to view them with that. And the two dads are
Speaker 2: being protective of their two sons. Two dads, two sons.
Speaker 2: You got to protect your young one. Everybody understands, ask,
Speaker 2: but no, there's not a lot of evidence gather except
Speaker 2: from one footprint we cast it. I saw it didn't
Speaker 2: look that great, but it's but it was a very
Speaker 2: cool experience, and so we can't Those guys that came
Speaker 2: into our group, we camped a few times with them
Speaker 2: again and they're good dudes, and we still keep track
Speaker 2: of them to this day.
Speaker 1: I don't get a lot where people hear stuff that
Speaker 1: sounds like this Sierra sounds so that is pretty cool
Speaker 1: to hear that. Is it a thing where you guys
Speaker 1: have ever been able to capture that?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, some people haven't. I don't. Personally, I
Speaker 2: don't put out a lot of audio anymore because putting
Speaker 2: out audio means you got to listen to it for
Speaker 2: almost the same length of time, and I don't have
Speaker 2: the patience to do that. Yeah, but yeah, that was
Speaker 2: we heard it. It was really funny. And we're sitting
Speaker 2: around the fire, We're hearing this. Who cooks for you?
Speaker 2: And we just looked at each other, go, that ain't
Speaker 2: no owl that and it was loud too. That is
Speaker 2: the biggest bart owl with a frog in his throat
Speaker 2: that we've ever heard. And so another one would answer it,
Speaker 2: there's two big loud bard owls with throat problems out there,
Speaker 2: or it's not a barn owl. Can you can guess
Speaker 2: what it is. We didn't see anything, but what we
Speaker 2: heard really didn't strike us at a bar. It sounded
Speaker 2: like something that was trying to act like a barn
Speaker 2: owl or sound like a barn owl, but in our opinion,
Speaker 2: it wasn't doing a very good job of it.
Speaker 1: And this place sounds like it is pretty pretty out
Speaker 1: in the boonies.
Speaker 2: Sounds like pretty much. Yeah, it's it's on a lot
Speaker 2: of logging roads. Yep. Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, what an experience to be involved with that.
Speaker 1: Those those newbies definitely were a trial by fire for sure,
Speaker 1: But thank you for sharing that. Yeah, feel free to
Speaker 1: continue with anything else you've experienced.
Speaker 2: Last one this is about I think it's twenty nineteen
Speaker 2: or so, and I live in a Washington state. I
Speaker 2: live north of Everett, Washington, and I go my research
Speaker 2: area and where I do my investigations. It's mainly the
Speaker 2: Mountain Loop Highway which runs from Grantite Falls to Darringtonant's
Speaker 2: closed during the winter but open during the summer and
Speaker 2: spring whenever they get it open. And then also highway
Speaker 2: to which is Stevens Pass. It's one of those highways
Speaker 2: that goes through the cascades over there. It goes out
Speaker 2: of Monroe and over the Stevens Pass and comes down
Speaker 2: through some other areas in there. You can get to
Speaker 2: win atch you and all that kind of stuff through it.
Speaker 2: But anyway, my son, my oldest son, who he's twenty
Speaker 2: six now, back in about I think it's about twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: He and I and one of my friends from work,
Speaker 2: we just want to go out squatching. And he said,
Speaker 2: where are we going to go out squatch? We tried
Speaker 2: to go somewhere it wasn't open. We went out highway too,
Speaker 2: and we're trying to go down this one road that
Speaker 2: we know has had watch activity that passed and they
Speaker 2: had some recordings down there and all that. And then
Speaker 2: we went up by Index. We tried to go down
Speaker 2: this one road, but it was closed, and so we're
Speaker 2: just drive around. It's dark, it's late. It's about probably
Speaker 2: eleven PM. So it's we're down there, oh, September October
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, and we're just trying around. We went around
Speaker 2: for a place to squatch. You know what. My friend's
Speaker 2: got a bad leg. I'm getting older and I don't
Speaker 2: like running around anymore. So we're just looking for a
Speaker 2: place to go squatch. We got you know, we didn't
Speaker 2: have any thermal cameras at the time. We're just going out.
Speaker 2: So we went up this one loggie road off Highway too.
Speaker 2: And we get up the road and we up there
Speaker 2: about two or three miles or so, and it's out
Speaker 2: in the forest and everything's dark and stuff, and it's
Speaker 2: right by a creek. And we get up there in
Speaker 2: the roads block there's a wash out. The road's been
Speaker 2: washed out. Oh. We turn around a little bit, like
Speaker 2: before you get to the wash out, there's a big
Speaker 2: wide spot in the road, big circular spot evidently the
Speaker 2: road's been washed out for while. Its where people go up,
Speaker 2: they turn around, or they camp out there. Nobody's up there.
Speaker 2: So we just thought we'd pull over and get out
Speaker 2: some chairs. And we're not doing any and we're just
Speaker 2: we just pull out the chairs and we're just sitting around.
Speaker 2: We're missing around. And I had some whale sounds, some
Speaker 2: Native American flute music and Native American drum music on
Speaker 2: my phone, and I have a Bluetooth speaker with me
Speaker 2: and it's connected to the phone, and I thought, hey,
Speaker 2: in the past, people have played this kind of stuff,
Speaker 2: whale sounds and drum sounds and flute sounds, and they
Speaker 2: said sometimes I'm bring the sundsquatches in. I say, hey,
Speaker 2: you mind if I play those? My son and my
Speaker 2: friend go ahead, no problem. So we get there and
Speaker 2: we're playing these sounds. That's going it's going good. So
Speaker 2: we played the flute sounds and then I played the
Speaker 2: drum sounds. I played each for about twenty minutes or so,
Speaker 2: and then I get to the whale sounds and we're
Speaker 2: playing these whale sounds and we're going on stuff, and
Speaker 2: I know it's getting late. I want to go back home.
Speaker 2: And so I get up and we're sitting about twenty
Speaker 2: yards away from my pickup truck. We're just in the
Speaker 2: flat spot. We're out in the middle of the opening.
Speaker 2: We're out in the trees or anything. And I just
Speaker 2: get up. I go over to the truck. I put
Speaker 2: the speaker on top. I'm down, I've turned off the music,
Speaker 2: and I go up there to the truck, and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, I'm there for about thirty six All
Speaker 2: of a sudden, my friend and my son run up
Speaker 2: to me and go, we need to go. What do
Speaker 2: you mean we need to go? I said, no, after
Speaker 2: you left, something is run down the road towards us.
Speaker 2: Stomp stomp, stomp, stomp. Stop is run down the road.
Speaker 2: You could feel it shaken. And it's now over there
Speaker 2: behind those trees. We need to go. And I'm thinking
Speaker 2: to myself, what in a second, this is why we're here.
Speaker 2: What do you mean we gotta go? We're not going
Speaker 2: anywhere and safety first. I don't care anymore. These things
Speaker 2: can squish me. I'm gonna stand my ground. It doesn't
Speaker 2: matter to me. But you know, my son and my
Speaker 2: friend were now freaked out because now something is big.
Speaker 2: It is run down the road and now it's behind
Speaker 2: a tree about ten yards behind them, and they didn't
Speaker 2: really want to be there, and so reluctantly I, well,
Speaker 2: don't we just get in the truck and sit. Okay fine,
Speaker 2: I open up the truck. They get in the truck
Speaker 2: and they're still freaked out. We sat there for about
Speaker 2: thirty seconds, and they go, can we go? Can we go?
Speaker 2: They don't want any part of this because they know
Speaker 2: something big is over there. Just ran down the road
Speaker 2: and the chairs are still out there, and I said,
Speaker 2: wait a second, I'm not leaving my chairs out there,
Speaker 2: and they're like, no, can we just go? We'll come
Speaker 2: back get them later. I go, no, I'm taking my chairs.
Speaker 2: I'm a cheap guy and I want to buy new chairs.
Speaker 2: And so I go walking over there and I'm not
Speaker 2: seeing anything. I'm not hearing anything, I'm not smelling anything,
Speaker 2: and I just go take my time. There's those tube chairs.
Speaker 2: You fold them up, put them in a tube, and
Speaker 2: so I'm just putting them away and I opened the
Speaker 2: back of the truck. I throw them in there, and
Speaker 2: they're just like, come on, we gotta go. We gotta go.
Speaker 2: Okay fine, And so we drive away.
Speaker 3: What is your product? No, dad, I said, dad, it
Speaker 3: just came it literally, man down that road. We could
Speaker 3: feel it shaken and it came running down the road
Speaker 3: and they thought, man, it's big. I said, you guys,
Speaker 3: that's why we go on these things.
Speaker 2: And I know you get more courage the farther you
Speaker 2: get away from the enemy or the danger. They're all
Speaker 2: pretty big and tough. We just picked a random spot
Speaker 2: and we got out there and we played that music
Speaker 2: and something happened. And then we get back and he goes, hey,
Speaker 2: when we first got there, it was just it made
Speaker 2: him in a little earlier than that, when it was
Speaker 2: slightly light up, and say, hey, we got out that
Speaker 2: truck and I went over to the side of the
Speaker 2: road to take a look that, you know, see what's
Speaker 2: out there.
Speaker 4: And the stick came flying out of the woods and
Speaker 4: landing in front of me, and I go, why didn't
Speaker 4: you tell me? He goes, I didn't think it was important.
Speaker 4: I said, what, I didn't think it was important? He goes, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I thought I saw a shadow walking back in there, too. Great,
Speaker 4: it would have been nice to know, but still you
Speaker 4: knew something was out there, you know.
Speaker 2: That's why we game, and then you want to run
Speaker 2: away as soon as we get some action. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I know, I'm sorry, but you see there's reports. You
Speaker 2: read the reports or hear the reports. A lot of
Speaker 2: times people driving along at night they pull off to
Speaker 2: the side of the road to use the restroom or
Speaker 2: whatever for no prayer reason. No, nothing's set up, nobody
Speaker 2: knows they're gonna be They pull off, and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden they got a sasquatch either looking at them
Speaker 2: or throwing stuff at them, or making noise or something
Speaker 2: just randomly, Like how, that's just bizarre. What are the
Speaker 2: chances of that? And that's what happened to us. I've
Speaker 2: always thought that was just kind of like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: you pulled up the side of the road and a
Speaker 2: sasquatch just happened to be there. Yeah, But then it
Speaker 2: happens to me we just weren't planning on being there.
Speaker 2: Nobody's up there, the road's closed, no reason for anybody
Speaker 2: be up there. We show up, we sit down, Something
Speaker 2: throws a stick at my friend. He sees something walking
Speaker 2: back there, doesn't tell me, and then later on something
Speaker 2: comes running down the road at us. It's like, just bizarre.
Speaker 2: Just what are the chances of that just showing up
Speaker 2: not planned to be there, and you get sasquatch activity.
Speaker 2: But then you go on these expeditions or you're planned
Speaker 2: to go squatching or something, or you're all set up
Speaker 2: and nothing happens. But that's my last story. That's all
Speaker 2: I got for you in just go Where's what this
Speaker 2: happened to me?
Speaker 1: That last one. I'm I don't think I've ever really
Speaker 1: heard anyone say about playing whale sounds. That is pretty cool.
Speaker 1: So these just basic whale sounds or yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Know, you know, you just you did blast them out.
Speaker 2: But it's different. Okay, they might have heard flutes, they
Speaker 2: might have heard drums, but whale sounds. And we played
Speaker 2: that on expeditions before and got something going on. So
Speaker 2: I never did it before, and so I did it,
Speaker 2: and what do you know, it's just something different. Do
Speaker 2: they Maybe it's communicating with them. I don't know. I
Speaker 2: doubt it, but it's definitely different. Did scare away some
Speaker 2: campers one time by playing that? I camp down the
Speaker 2: road from them, and they were out there and stuff,
Speaker 2: and I got in my camping spot and I started
Speaker 2: playing that weird stuff, and boy, they were out of
Speaker 2: there in about five minutes. Really, I don't know what, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, sorry, but well it just kind of funny.
Speaker 1: That's really funny. I love those stories though, Like that
Speaker 1: last one. It's like stuff just sometimes happens when you
Speaker 1: put down a chair and just hang out for a
Speaker 1: while on a spot and you never know.
Speaker 2: It was bizarre, And we went back the next night.
Speaker 2: We went back the next night. Nothing of course, we'd
Speaker 2: planned it. We planned to be there, so nothing was
Speaker 2: going to happen. But just interesting. I just just the
Speaker 2: chance that would happen, that's just great. So I give
Speaker 2: perfect credence to those people who say, yeah, I was
Speaker 2: driving all night, had a lot of coffee and had
Speaker 2: to pull over and let some of it out, and
Speaker 2: there was a something growling at me and shook my
Speaker 2: car and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 2: get it, but that's weird. What sasquatch you doing? Are
Speaker 2: they waiting for an uber by the side of the road,
Speaker 2: What are they doing out there? But exactly, you hear
Speaker 2: that a lot. You hear it a lot.
Speaker 1: John I Swanse, thank you for coming on to share
Speaker 1: what you've experienced. Before we end our time, do you
Speaker 1: have any advice for listeners that are like, I might
Speaker 1: want to try this Bigfoot expedition thing out.
Speaker 2: Go I did it. Stuff happens to newbies all the
Speaker 2: time down here in Washington. I used to co host
Speaker 2: expeditions with my friend Kirk Brandenburg. We don't I'm getting
Speaker 2: too old. I'm not going to do this anymore. We
Speaker 2: have some great new investigators out here in Washington State.
Speaker 2: We've got Nick Bell, James Washburn, Tim Lyn Alan, Melissa Martinson,
Speaker 2: Scott Taylor. They're all running expeditions for us. They did
Speaker 2: a great job this year. They'll do a great job
Speaker 2: next year. I think there's one already out there. But
Speaker 2: just come on an expedition. Just come. You can talk squatch.
Speaker 2: When I do my investigations, mainly talking to people, you
Speaker 2: just want to let them tell their story and they
Speaker 2: just want to talk to someone who won't think they're
Speaker 2: crazy exactly. And so you don't need the next you
Speaker 2: don't need an experience to come on a BFRO expedition.
Speaker 2: You got to be able to camp, bring your stuff
Speaker 2: to Washington State. We've got the most sightings out here
Speaker 2: in the United States. So the Olympic Expedition or Great
Speaker 2: the Cascades are great. We've got some great people who
Speaker 2: are running these things. And I was actually one of
Speaker 2: the co hosts on the expedition in twenty twenty three
Speaker 2: out with the Olympic Project. I know he had Jonathan's
Speaker 2: coll in and talk to you about his experiences out there.
Speaker 2: So I was out there too.
Speaker 1: That was with great stuff. Ye yeah, yep, okay, that's cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was fun stuff. That was fun stuff there.
Speaker 2: But yeah, just come on. An expedition doesn't have to
Speaker 2: be in Washington State. You can go on them anywhere.
Speaker 2: But we don't learnally have a lot of people flying in.
Speaker 2: We get people coming in from all over the country
Speaker 2: coming in. Want to go is oh another story. So
Speaker 2: they were out on a night walk and they were
Speaker 2: down in one of the places late at night, and
Speaker 2: we had a thermal drone in the air, and we
Speaker 2: had the thermal drone over him. The canopy is really
Speaker 2: thick where we were, but yet we saw the group
Speaker 2: and then maybe about thirty thirty five forty yards away
Speaker 2: from we saw these two huge big heat signatures, round
Speaker 2: heat signatures. The camera wasn't that great, but we could
Speaker 2: see him. They're going back and forth side to side
Speaker 2: looking through It looked like they were looking through the
Speaker 2: trees trying to look at these people because one of
Speaker 2: one was walking around. One of the people was walking around,
Speaker 2: and these things were looking They're moving back and forth
Speaker 2: and can and watching this thing. But there were these
Speaker 2: two huge heat signatures watching what we know to be
Speaker 2: about six or seven people who look very small compared
Speaker 2: to these heat signatures. So we think we got a
Speaker 2: couple of squatches on camera doing it. It's in the
Speaker 2: same area where the year before we had some squatches
Speaker 2: on the thermal but we weren't recording at the same time,
Speaker 2: so there's some crazy stuff that was happening in that area.
Speaker 2: But I've seen two big, huge heat signatures watching a
Speaker 2: group of people that were a lot smaller than those
Speaker 2: two heat signatures. So that's cool.
Speaker 1: That is wild stuff. I love talking to you guys,
Speaker 1: and people can go to as a bfro dot net
Speaker 1: if they want to get more info about the expeditions.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, there's a list of expeditions on there. They're
Speaker 2: just starting. They normally they normally come on about January
Speaker 2: February because Matt wants to get as many expeditions on
Speaker 2: the docket lined up as soon as possible, but personal
Speaker 2: schedules we got to figure out when we have time
Speaker 2: to do it, and not because they are our other
Speaker 2: investigators are running them out. I don't do too much
Speaker 2: with that anymore. I do show up, but I don't
Speaker 2: run them. But yeah, just go to the BFRO website.
Speaker 2: I know some people I have issues with the BFO.
Speaker 2: I get it. That's fine, but we're not all Matt Moneymaker,
Speaker 2: And be honest, Matt money Maker is great guy. I
Speaker 2: have no problems with that money Maker and with the
Speaker 2: rest of the BFRO investigators I met and that I
Speaker 2: worked with. So come on out, join us have some fun. Obviously,
Speaker 2: we can't guarantee any sasquatch activity. We don't have them
Speaker 2: on speed down, we can't tell them where to show
Speaker 2: up coordinate with them. But we take you to spots
Speaker 2: where we've had a lot of activity, and we want
Speaker 2: to show you where we go to sasquatch to watch
Speaker 2: sasquatch or listen or whatever we do. And there's a
Speaker 2: really good chance when you come out with the Washington
Speaker 2: BFRORO that you'll either hear one or find a track
Speaker 2: or maybe see one.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, man, it was a pleasure chatting with you.
Speaker 2: John.
Speaker 1: I'm glad we're able to get connected, and thank you
Speaker 1: for sharing some really cool things that happened to the
Speaker 1: BFRO in Washington over the years.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's my pleasure. Jeremiah, it's nice to make your acquaintance,
Speaker 2: and thanks to everybody for listening here.
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