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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome to episode two hundred and eighty nine
Speaker 1: of The Team House. I'm Jack Murphy here with Dave
Speaker 1: Park and our guest on tonight's show. Really happy to
Speaker 1: see once again after like fifteen sixteen years, is Alan Shaborro.
Speaker 1: Alan has a background in jiu jitsu and also in
Speaker 1: US Special Forces, starting off in the National Guard and
Speaker 1: then he served in Third Special Forces group with B
Speaker 1: two three and then back to the National Guard, and
Speaker 1: then it's had a very interesting post service career as well.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about all of that. Alan, thanks for joining
Speaker 1: us tonight.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me appreciate it.
Speaker 1: So, you know, the question I kind of start off
Speaker 1: all of our guests on is asking about their origin story.
Speaker 1: If you could tell us a little bit about you know,
Speaker 1: what your upbringing was like, and you know, I sensed
Speaker 1: two of the big things in your life, jiu jitsu
Speaker 1: and the military. How did those things start to enter
Speaker 1: in you know, in your childhood or early adulthood.
Speaker 3: Uh, really get my ass kicked all the time. See
Speaker 3: that actually had an effect of one of the reasons
Speaker 3: why I wanted to go into UH Special Forces, specifically
Speaker 3: just for the motto deal persively bear When I was
Speaker 3: actually raised overseas, spent most of my time. I spent
Speaker 3: five years in Saudi Arabia, seven years in Italy, two
Speaker 3: years in Austria, and five years in Germany.
Speaker 1: So what what branch was your dad in?
Speaker 3: So my father was actually an Air Force that's but
Speaker 3: he only spent four years in the Air Force and
Speaker 3: then it was a DoD civilian. Cool it was a
Speaker 3: Middle Eastern European naval central command controller. That's why we
Speaker 3: actually spend a lot more time in certain places instead
Speaker 3: of like the traditional three year rotations.
Speaker 1: Cool. So, yeah, significant experience abroad from an early age.
Speaker 1: And uh, and then as you become a young adult, Uh,
Speaker 1: where do you where do you see yourself going? You know,
Speaker 1: by the time you're in high school.
Speaker 3: Man, I was the skinny skater and turned into transitioned
Speaker 3: into snowboarding. I started skating probably when I was twelve
Speaker 3: years old, and then we ended up moving to Germany,
Speaker 3: where there was there was either snow or rain on
Speaker 3: the ground like sixty seven percent of the time. So
Speaker 3: but we're at the base of the Zuchbitz. So I
Speaker 3: was really fortunate to be able to live in Garmer's
Speaker 3: pot and kick and we're right now that you have
Speaker 3: the air for ceel of Ice. If you ever get
Speaker 3: a chance, Man, it's one of the most beautiful places
Speaker 3: ever been. But I I was going snowboarding like every weekend,
Speaker 3: and so I had a real rare opportunity to be
Speaker 3: able to snowboard all the time. And I got into
Speaker 3: that big time, and I kept doing that. So I
Speaker 3: went active duty in ninety five after graduating in ninety four,
Speaker 3: so I went in. I went in active duty ninety
Speaker 3: five and got out of few years later. Was going
Speaker 3: to school down at the Southwest Texas, Texas State University
Speaker 3: now and then I was in the reserves. I was
Speaker 3: a drill sergeant. So I switched to MOSS from lightweight
Speaker 3: vehicle mechanic to Artillery thirteen Bravo and was a drill sergeant.
Speaker 3: Did my trail time up at Fort Sill in Oklahoma,
Speaker 3: and uh, I was going to school at the University
Speaker 3: of Texas at Arlington because that was the closest school
Speaker 3: that I could find that was next to where I
Speaker 3: was training jiu jitsu. So there was only one black
Speaker 3: belt at the time, and that was Collas Machado in Dallas.
Speaker 3: So I started jiu jitsu when I was in Fort
Speaker 3: Hood and uh, just that came my addiction. My first tournament,
Speaker 3: I weighed at the one hundred and forty five pounds
Speaker 3: one hundred and forty seven point five to be exact,
Speaker 3: and so I went from the skinny, scarny kid that
Speaker 3: always got his ass kicked, you know, to well it
Speaker 3: kind of I went overboard. I went up like two
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty something when I was you know, an
Speaker 3: active duty that's all. And I remember team Yeah, but uh,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of settled back down recently, probably the
Speaker 3: last ten eleven years. I've been at a constant like
Speaker 3: between two fifteen or two twenty five. Yeah, it's resistant.
Speaker 1: That's really cool. I didn't know that you had so
Speaker 1: much army experience before you even started getting into special operations.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got what a drill sergeant, all this
Speaker 1: stuff going on all before nine to eleven.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it was actually so and that was a
Speaker 3: really big influence. When I grew up in Italy was
Speaker 3: during the early eighties and up until like eighty eight.
Speaker 3: Then we moved to technically it was well we moved
Speaker 3: there when it was West Germany actually, so before the
Speaker 3: wall came down and before whether there's still the Soviet Union,
Speaker 3: and so there was a lot of World War Two
Speaker 3: people that were alive during World War Two that remember,
Speaker 3: you know distinctly, you know, the American liberators, you know
Speaker 3: how they liberated Italy and they liberated Germany. And so
Speaker 3: when you're you know, you grow up in that, you know,
Speaker 3: you have this overwhelming sense of pride and service, you know,
Speaker 3: because I mean I grew up literally like right across
Speaker 3: the street. I would watch you know, the guys in
Speaker 3: the bubblebee PT uniforms, you know, doing PT and you know,
Speaker 3: every morning, and I thought it was like the coolest
Speaker 3: thing ever, and and it was. It was something that
Speaker 3: always influenced me. And they moved into Germany, and hearing
Speaker 3: the same thing throughout all my teen years, you know,
Speaker 3: really stuck with me. And so when nine eleven came around,
Speaker 3: and that was that was like my calling and like
Speaker 3: I felt like that was you know, I needed to
Speaker 3: to kind of do what my the people previously had done,
Speaker 3: you know in World War Two, and serve my country
Speaker 3: and you know, do whatever it needed to be done
Speaker 3: to protect it.
Speaker 1: Whereabouts were you, you know, not just geographically, but where
Speaker 1: were you professionally at that time when nine to eleven happened.
Speaker 3: I was going to school at the University of Texas
Speaker 3: at Arlington, so I was actually a student that morning.
Speaker 3: I remember waking up and just turning on the TV
Speaker 3: and the news is on. I was like, I don't
Speaker 3: want to watch this. I clicked to another one, and
Speaker 3: clicked to another one and clicked to it. Every single
Speaker 3: channel had the exact same thing on. And I remember
Speaker 3: calling the girlfriend that I had at the time. I
Speaker 3: was like a turn on TV and she was like
Speaker 3: what channel? I said, any and it was it was
Speaker 3: definitely a day I'll never forget, you know, but and
Speaker 3: it was it was. I remember that day. I called
Speaker 3: up my reserve unit and I thought we were going
Speaker 3: to be doing something like, you know, going down range
Speaker 3: and you know, maybe training dissoldiers somehow I didn't know.
Speaker 3: And they're like, now we're gonna we're going to mobilize
Speaker 3: you to like Fort Seoul, Oklahoma for a two year rotation.
Speaker 3: And I was like, get the I'm not doing that shit.
Speaker 3: So I started like a because I just didn't re
Speaker 3: enlisted in the drill SARN unit in July of two
Speaker 3: thousand and one, and so I was doing this admin
Speaker 3: battle to try to get out, and yah, the easiest
Speaker 3: thing I could do was to transfer from the Reserves
Speaker 3: to National Guard and the Mississippi unit that was second
Speaker 3: of the twentieth. So I was doing like an eight
Speaker 3: hour drive one way just to get to the unit
Speaker 3: do that four day pre s fas that they had
Speaker 3: and eight hour drive back and I did that for
Speaker 3: like nine months, and they kept dragging it out, and
Speaker 3: so finally I got a selection date and start doing
Speaker 3: all that and made it through selection, packed up everything
Speaker 3: and had it back out to for brag.
Speaker 1: Yes, so we were going through the Q course. What
Speaker 1: two thousand and six, I believe.
Speaker 3: Let's see selection jump. Yeah, yeah, because I started, I
Speaker 3: started in September. I don't know, October two thousand and
Speaker 3: five too, No, yeah, it was the end of it
Speaker 3: was some November two thousand and five and then into
Speaker 3: two thousand and six.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I remember that you were still very passionate
Speaker 1: about jiu jitsu at the time.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember this. You remember you
Speaker 1: took us up to range thirty seven one day and
Speaker 1: that instructor, that huge dude, just like rocked us off
Speaker 1: the walls. It was awesome though.
Speaker 3: Yeah. What was his name was it ron?
Speaker 1: I wish I could remember. I just remember it being
Speaker 1: like six foot five.
Speaker 3: Yeah, damn, I can't remember now, I've been hitting the
Speaker 3: head so many times.
Speaker 1: He was a nice guy, man, he went, he went,
Speaker 1: you know, we're in the full like Redman suit for
Speaker 1: people out there watching this. He went, like, man, to
Speaker 1: man with everybody in the class, like, you know, probably
Speaker 1: twenty guys back to back.
Speaker 3: It was crazy. That was good times.
Speaker 1: Manis so what was your experience then, like going you know,
Speaker 1: going through the Q course and do you have some
Speaker 1: sort of idea because I I sort of remember you
Speaker 1: being in the National Guard but seriously considering going active duty.
Speaker 3: Well, while I was actually in the Q course going
Speaker 3: to the gym, there was always there's some guys that
Speaker 3: laid out matts and they were training and doing jiu
Speaker 3: jitsu there, and I just kind of popped my head
Speaker 3: and I was like, someone's training, so let me jump
Speaker 3: in on this. So I just went and I literally
Speaker 3: just got my black belt in two thousand and four,
Speaker 3: so being able to kind of and I mean I
Speaker 3: was still had that bug. I was still addicted to
Speaker 3: it and still wanted to like do it as much
Speaker 3: as I could, and so it was like a like
Speaker 3: a fix for me, you know, just being able to
Speaker 3: jump on the mats and and so I kept going
Speaker 3: back in the same group and then I was like,
Speaker 3: you know, what's unique guys with and man, it's embarrassing
Speaker 3: and say but they're like, oh, we're a the sif
Speaker 3: I was like Centro shot. So it's like, man, you
Speaker 3: guys are like pogues.
Speaker 1: Or what pretty jacked for a bunch of pogues.
Speaker 3: And then uh, I mean the next time I saw him,
Speaker 3: I had to ask. I was like, you guys, said Siff, right,
Speaker 3: and you're like yeah, Like but you guys are you
Speaker 3: guys support the like? And they started laughing like no, siffs,
Speaker 3: commanders and extremists force. I was like, I didn't know, man,
Speaker 3: but uh, you know, after like I'd meet up with
Speaker 3: them all the time and uh and eventually they they
Speaker 3: were like, hey, man, why don't you you know, we
Speaker 3: can get you a meeting with the SAR major and
Speaker 3: you know, we need a combatives instructor. So that was
Speaker 3: actually the reason why I was able to get to
Speaker 3: B two three straight out of the Q course and
Speaker 3: I went back to my National Guard unit and I
Speaker 3: was like, hey, guys, you know, I'm popping smoke and like,
Speaker 3: what do you mean I'm going active, I'm not staying here,
Speaker 3: And they're like, oh, they're going to promise you all this,
Speaker 3: and they're gonna promise you schools and safardig and deployments
Speaker 3: and everything, and I was like, yeah, they did, I'm
Speaker 3: never going to give it to you. Okay, well I'll
Speaker 3: take my chances. So I signed out of that unit
Speaker 3: and signed me out. I went, I went back and
Speaker 3: signed in a group a couple days later, signed up Italian.
Speaker 3: A few days after that, man I was on a
Speaker 3: flight meeting my team down range, and so it was
Speaker 3: a it was a quick move.
Speaker 1: Do you want to tell tell folks out there who're watching,
Speaker 1: like what the SIF was?
Speaker 3: Who?
Speaker 1: Maybe they don't know either.
Speaker 3: So the commanders in Extremist Force was basically every group
Speaker 3: has one company that's that's sole purpose. So mission is
Speaker 3: the hostage rescue, direct action, counterters from, and counterinsurgency. So
Speaker 3: while the rest of the third group was going Afghanistan,
Speaker 3: we're actually going. All my rotations were in Iraq and
Speaker 3: I never got to go to Afghanistan. The fifth group
Speaker 3: and third group stood up the i CTF and the
Speaker 3: commanders in Iraq and we're pretty much doing the fit
Speaker 3: mission there. But then we started which turned it on
Speaker 3: so well, and they had so much experience that we
Speaker 3: were doing missions alongside with them. But this is when
Speaker 3: when it was like really popping off, and you know,
Speaker 3: you know, two thousand and five six and seven was
Speaker 3: was really really rough in two thousand and eight. It
Speaker 3: started kind of simmer down a lot in two thousand
Speaker 3: and nine. Yeah, there wasn't really much going on then.
Speaker 3: I mean a lot of rs changed.
Speaker 1: So take us back to you know, I'm just interested
Speaker 1: to ask, you know what that experience was like as
Speaker 1: a new guy jumping right into B two three and
Speaker 1: you know, drinking from a fire hose. I mean, what
Speaker 1: was that like for you?
Speaker 3: Man? It was crazy? So the thing was is that
Speaker 3: I was my technically my first team song was Johnny
Speaker 3: Crocker and he, uh, but I got with excuse me
Speaker 3: not John Jeff Mountain. My second was Johnny Crocker, and
Speaker 3: I got assigned to five six. The on the snipes
Speaker 3: Walker Booth was actually my senior, So I really couldn't
Speaker 3: have gotten about a mentor. And and uh, I volunteered
Speaker 3: for for any position. Anytime I could go out, I
Speaker 3: went in. Uh. I was a driver, I was a gunner.
Speaker 3: I carried special equipment, you know, ladders. Uh. It just
Speaker 3: it was my first deployment, so I didn't uh anything
Speaker 3: that I could get on. I volunteered for, you know whatever.
Speaker 3: It was just so I can get experience. It was
Speaker 3: a whirlwind, to be honest with you, because I got there. Man,
Speaker 3: I remember getting there, and I had met justin Munchkey.
Speaker 3: He was actually from Denton, like you know, close areas,
Speaker 3: so i'd met him there and we talked for a
Speaker 3: little bit, and and the reality you know, of how
Speaker 3: rough it was getting, you know, set in when they
Speaker 3: pulled him off the chopper and they brought him in
Speaker 3: after he was killed. It was it was a I
Speaker 3: mean really high highs and really low lows at the
Speaker 3: same time. It's such a condensed time for him because
Speaker 3: there was a team going out every single night, you know,
Speaker 3: So I was getting I was getting a lot of
Speaker 3: experience really fast.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I mean you you jumped right into it.
Speaker 1: As you said, the war was really pumping at that time.
Speaker 1: Soccer city so B two three and A one to
Speaker 1: five are kind of switching on and off, rotating in
Speaker 1: and out, and so I mean, if you can, could
Speaker 1: you go into like some more detail about what the
Speaker 1: experience was for you in Iraq?
Speaker 3: It actually there was sometimes where I think some of
Speaker 3: the the I mean just because I was so new,
Speaker 3: I wasn't sure like what to expect and how to
Speaker 3: expect it. You know when to be all riled up
Speaker 3: and you know when to be calm, and you know
Speaker 3: kind of realize it looked around, you know, after a
Speaker 3: few times and realized, yeah, we get on target road.
Speaker 3: And there was sometimes I actually were getting pinged on
Speaker 3: the vehicles and there's still guys asleep, you know, they're
Speaker 3: so used to it, and it's like, man, this is
Speaker 3: kind of crazy. But one distinct moment I remember was
Speaker 3: Talladagan Knights was kind of like the the big movie,
Speaker 3: you know that on deployment, and I remember I was
Speaker 3: going in. This was one of my first few times
Speaker 3: I was front security on the outside of the perimeter
Speaker 3: of the house that we were taking and we had
Speaker 3: we had taken a couple of pot shots on Target road.
Speaker 3: Didn't really hit anything distinctly. I think maybe the tail
Speaker 3: end of the vehicle. But I remember stepping out of
Speaker 3: the vehicle and up taking like two three steps, and
Speaker 3: like ten inches from my foot there was a like
Speaker 3: a spark. You could hear that crack of the you know,
Speaker 3: I mean that close, and then another one like right overhead.
Speaker 3: You could I mean that the crack of the whip.
Speaker 3: You know, you could hear it, and man, I just
Speaker 3: I just froze. It was just like what felt like
Speaker 3: an eternity and a whole a sudden. My mind's raising,
Speaker 3: you know, Do I do I follow the team back
Speaker 3: in to return fire. Do I, you know, find out
Speaker 3: where that shot came from and neutralize it? Do I?
Speaker 3: I mean so many thoughts in like a split second.
Speaker 3: And then I remember h Walker running by and he
Speaker 3: shoot at one of the windows and he's just like,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna come at you like a spider monkey boy,
Speaker 3: and Todd Ventleke comes right by him. He's like, shake
Speaker 3: a bake, motherfucker's shake a bake. I was like, all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, like for some reason that that particular
Speaker 3: moment broke was broke the ice entirely for the rest
Speaker 3: of the time, like any other commet situation I was in,
Speaker 3: And it was just one of those things where you know,
Speaker 3: these guys are fucking cracking jokes, you know, middle of
Speaker 3: a firefight, and I mean snapped to it, you know,
Speaker 3: and everything just kind of like it went from like
Speaker 3: slow motion back to you know speed and you know,
Speaker 3: regular speed and just kept going and everything just made
Speaker 3: sense after that. So I mean I would think that
Speaker 3: was like the like second or third time I was out,
Speaker 3: and it was just but it provided so much clarity,
Speaker 3: and I'm really glad I had the experience like so
Speaker 3: early on.
Speaker 1: It sounds like from what you were describing that, like
Speaker 1: you said it was you lived a lot of life
Speaker 1: on like a very condensed time frame as far as
Speaker 1: the like highs and lows. How many rotations did you
Speaker 1: do over to Iraq two thousand and seven, eight and nine, Okay, okay.
Speaker 4: So yeah, one a year and were there was like
Speaker 4: six month six month rotations?
Speaker 3: No? No, No, My longest one was like just under
Speaker 3: five months. This just only will go out for about
Speaker 3: four or four and a half months at most. That
Speaker 3: first one was about two and a half months because
Speaker 3: I got there almost in mid rotation, and then right
Speaker 3: after that I did and I wasn't even so far
Speaker 3: to qualified, So I mean I literally just I got
Speaker 3: done with the Q course and then din with the
Speaker 3: SITH and then UH as soon as I got back
Speaker 3: and you know, got through Sephardic, and then I got
Speaker 3: assigned to a team and I was with five to
Speaker 3: two UH or three to two two two. There was
Speaker 3: still there was the transition of the three digit to
Speaker 3: the four digit that that year. So and then uh
Speaker 3: in two thousand and nine, after my third deployment is
Speaker 3: actually when I went to SODAIC. After my third deployment,
Speaker 3: so had two rotations SAPHARDA qualified but only but not
Speaker 3: of rotations, Uh, soda qualified.
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. And again, for like the public out
Speaker 1: there confused by these acronyms, could you tell them a
Speaker 1: little bit about Sephardic and sodic.
Speaker 3: So SEPHARDIK is eight week assaulters course, everything like specializing
Speaker 3: in urban like CQB close quarters close quarters battle and
Speaker 3: it's basically like, uh, then that excuse me. That SODA
Speaker 3: is a Special Operations Targeting Interdiction course, which is the
Speaker 3: tier one UH sniper sniper course. And I think that
Speaker 3: was talk about that today. I think it was two
Speaker 3: thousand and nine they changed it to Special Forces Sniper Course.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So the second deployment you were Sephardi qualified guy
Speaker 1: on a team was that back to Baghdad?
Speaker 3: So citation We actually were into CURT doing missions out
Speaker 3: at the CRIT into Taji and then there was a
Speaker 3: insurgent rus in Missoul, So we literally packed up everything
Speaker 3: and kind of like a mid deployment deployment, you know,
Speaker 3: packed up all conicses and everything and headed up to Missoul.
Speaker 3: So we finished out in Missoul and then then uh
Speaker 3: oh nine was was back at Baghdad.
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean, I'd be interested to hear about the
Speaker 1: experience in Missoul. I was there in five and then
Speaker 1: again in O nine. I'd just be interested to hear
Speaker 1: about what your experience was like in that in between time.
Speaker 3: So there was and I remember coming back, you know
Speaker 3: that that entrance of Serpentine entrance the to go back
Speaker 3: had it that early. Yeah, yeah, in the very front
Speaker 3: of the h And there was actually a v bid
Speaker 3: when we actually came came back, and so it was
Speaker 3: pretty pretty active in attacks, but we primarily did UH.
Speaker 3: That's when we started switching out the call outs a
Speaker 3: lot and UH and if there was any type of
Speaker 3: like for example, we had UH we were doing one
Speaker 3: and it was a really rural area but it was
Speaker 3: almost like a compound and one of our guys got
Speaker 3: hit with a grenade and everyone just said, you know what,
Speaker 3: we can't see ship, you know, with our even with
Speaker 3: our nods on, because it was like no ambient light
Speaker 3: and it was really that dark, and we just called
Speaker 3: in and you know, just leveled the place with double
Speaker 3: barrack health fires. There wasn't actually anyone else in there.
Speaker 3: It was literally just a two that had come out.
Speaker 3: But I mean it was I think that was probably
Speaker 3: one of the the scariest moments, just because you know,
Speaker 3: they advantage that we have is with you know, night vision,
Speaker 3: you know, so you know, when that's stripped away and
Speaker 3: don't have any of that, and you know, we kind
Speaker 3: of like left in the dark literally. But yeah, the
Speaker 3: most of them were call outs. There was a need
Speaker 3: for you know, gathering intel rather than you know just
Speaker 3: smoking everybody, and that paid off in the long run
Speaker 3: because we got who we needed and you know, able
Speaker 3: to you know, separate the people that really that could
Speaker 3: provide good intel and then let everyone else go, you know,
Speaker 3: so it wasn't a necessity to uh go in and
Speaker 3: just you know kill randomly or at all period. So
Speaker 3: it was mainly a probably about ninety percent callouts. Very
Speaker 3: few firefights on that one, just because everything went so well,
Speaker 3: uh speed surprise VIDs to action, and I think a
Speaker 3: lot of people don't understand it. If you get in
Speaker 3: a firefight, it's not a good thing. You know, that
Speaker 3: usually means that something went really fucking wrong. You know.
Speaker 3: The nights that went well is you know when we
Speaker 3: got who we needed a target and brought them back
Speaker 3: and you know, gathered and tell to build onto the
Speaker 3: next one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you shake them out of their bed fastest lee.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: So your your cruising right along in your Special Forces
Speaker 1: career going to SODIC. And then I take it you
Speaker 1: were on the sniper troope.
Speaker 3: No, actually, uh so I got back in on nine
Speaker 3: and then I went to SODIC. I had re enlisted
Speaker 3: actually just before I deployed it on nine and I
Speaker 3: got back and uh so this was like the the
Speaker 3: bonuses were maybe the one hundred and fifty thousand, you know,
Speaker 3: but I had a five year reenlistment and it was
Speaker 3: like a thirty seven thousand dollars bonus, and uh so, well,
Speaker 3: ma in soda, it's supposed to be hitting my account
Speaker 3: sometime soon. And man, he came waiting the next week
Speaker 3: and the next week, and so I was like, you know,
Speaker 3: we just go back to relist in my office and
Speaker 3: see what's going on. So I went back and I
Speaker 3: was like, uh, what happened to my bonus, you know,
Speaker 3: like reenlisted and he's like, I'm pup your file and
Speaker 3: oh yeah, we needed to get a signature for FUM commander.
Speaker 3: It was like it's literally walking distance. Why couldn't you
Speaker 3: go get that? Like, oh well you can still reenlist,
Speaker 3: but you can't get the bonus now.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: I was like, uh, I was absolutely livid and man,
Speaker 3: and the way that the things were going, you know,
Speaker 3: to be honest with you, I wasn't, you know, especially
Speaker 3: like a O nine, I wasn't feeling like the things
Speaker 3: we're doing, we're too right. I started questioning a lot
Speaker 3: of things, and you know, with that happened, I guess
Speaker 3: I was like, you know what, I'm done with this now.
Speaker 3: So we had a I mean, there was a lot
Speaker 3: of things. There was, you know, a couple of things
Speaker 3: in particular that happened one and A eight you know
Speaker 3: nine when we weren't even we were actually just following
Speaker 3: ictf in and then stopping at the you know and
Speaker 3: the outskirts of it and you know, support and advice
Speaker 3: pretty much that was our mission set. But and if
Speaker 3: they needed support for like SEC but and it was
Speaker 3: started really kind of thinking hard about what was going
Speaker 3: on there, and uh, you know, I didn't feel right,
Speaker 3: you know, going back in and especially deploying with the
Speaker 3: doubts that I had.
Speaker 1: Well, can you say doubts you mean about like tactically
Speaker 1: what you were personally doing or more like strategically the
Speaker 1: direction the war was going in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, when I went there, Man, that's the thing,
Speaker 3: man is you know, I'm not trying to sound arrogant,
Speaker 3: but I was really good at my job. And I
Speaker 3: think that was one of the things that I've wrestled
Speaker 3: with the most, is that, you know, I was really
Speaker 3: good at my job, but you know, we shouldn't have
Speaker 3: been there. I struggled with that a lot, and I
Speaker 3: kept it to myself and kind of like you know what,
Speaker 3: you know, don't say anything. And you know, because growing
Speaker 3: up like I did in in Europe and hearing you know,
Speaker 3: being the liberators and being you know, the good guys,
Speaker 3: you know, just war and you know, we're standing for
Speaker 3: the right and we're you know, freeing to oppressed. I
Speaker 3: started thinking to myself like, man, if somebody came into
Speaker 3: my country who was doing the exact same thing, I'd
Speaker 3: be doing exactly what they were doing. But I was
Speaker 3: like no, you know, I kept it to myself and
Speaker 3: just kind of struggle, you know, internally, until like later
Speaker 3: on we started you know, maybe there's like a big
Speaker 3: surprise at the end. You know, Afghanistan, same thing, and man,
Speaker 3: nothing came out of it. And I mean I still
Speaker 3: I firmly believe that we shouldn't have been there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I get it. You tell yourself that
Speaker 1: you know, there's going to be some sort of democracy
Speaker 1: established in this country, things are going to get better
Speaker 1: for the people that live there. And then you know,
Speaker 1: in Iraq especially, we saw what actually happened there after
Speaker 1: we pulled out and ISIS came to town. It was
Speaker 1: like worst case scenario. And I'm sure the Afghanistan veterans
Speaker 1: feel exactly the same way about what they went through.
Speaker 3: I mean, the primary mission in Afghanistan was to take
Speaker 3: the Talban out right, and then they ended up being
Speaker 3: the official government. I mean we had you know, thousands
Speaker 3: of US lives lost, you know, tens of thousands of
Speaker 3: Ghanty civilians you know that were get caught in there,
Speaker 3: you know that lost their lives, billions of dollars you know,
Speaker 3: wasted onto that, and the same thing in Iraq, I mean,
Speaker 3: I just I ask every veteran that's been in either
Speaker 3: one of them, you know, what did we do? And
Speaker 3: and uh, I just I don't think we should have
Speaker 3: been there at all. I stand firm on that. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to by aly means. You know, I
Speaker 3: love my country, and yeah, no, I did what I
Speaker 3: was asked to do, but I firmly believe we should
Speaker 3: not have been there.
Speaker 1: But it was after that incident with the Enlistment Office,
Speaker 1: you did one more pump over.
Speaker 3: There or was that? No?
Speaker 5: That was it?
Speaker 3: That was like toward the I literally was, let's see,
Speaker 3: probably about nine months out from terminal leaf, okay, and
Speaker 3: then got out and twenty ten I opened up the school.
Speaker 3: I did two years in the National Guard just because
Speaker 3: it was local, and but man, that was so I
Speaker 3: got to the National Guard unit and I so I
Speaker 3: was in the SITH three rotations and this is when
Speaker 3: they were working with border patrol and doing like is
Speaker 3: it the counter drug operations? And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I get involved with that. That's that's something I can do.
Speaker 3: And then they're like, yeah, we're going to have you
Speaker 3: take over the or you be on the ASAT team.
Speaker 5: I was like.
Speaker 3: I don't have broken axle, I never have any experience
Speaker 3: in that, and you like, okay, we'll find something for you.
Speaker 3: So a few months later they come in, they're like, okay,
Speaker 3: you're going to take over the dive team like bro,
Speaker 3: like you guys guys have people that are dive qualified.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, like dude, I'm not dive qualified. That means
Speaker 3: that you want me to take over a team and
Speaker 3: be a team star. And you know with guys already
Speaker 3: have experience, have been through the school, and I don't.
Speaker 3: I mean I was in a sif put me on
Speaker 3: like you know, an assaulters you know team or something,
Speaker 3: and uh They're like, well that's full, that's fool. That
Speaker 3: was like for the cool guys, I guess so man,
Speaker 3: I just I had enough of that and I wasn't
Speaker 3: really too keen on the mentality that they had there.
Speaker 3: And there were some good guys that, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 3: but a lot of the times that I mean, the
Speaker 3: mission is what what kind of attracted me there? But
Speaker 3: I mean I told him I just opened up a
Speaker 3: business that I can't leave for for that long, and
Speaker 3: I mean I already completed ANOX so that wasn't going
Speaker 3: to be an issue. But to go to pre scuba,
Speaker 3: you know then and I would have been like two
Speaker 3: weeks and then go to dive school. I mean i'd
Speaker 3: have to. I just opened up a school. I have
Speaker 3: to be there, you know. And this was literally like
Speaker 3: everything I'd saved from all my deployments, you know, I
Speaker 3: put into the school. I couldn't I couldn't leave.
Speaker 1: That tell us a little bit about that school. I
Speaker 1: mean it was a school in a gym. I mean,
Speaker 1: what what what did you have going on?
Speaker 3: So initially opened it up. This is after being kind
Speaker 3: of silent for like seven years while I was gone,
Speaker 3: so people knew me from before I left, but after
Speaker 3: I left, I mean I was living in North Carolina,
Speaker 3: so it was like a whole new generation of of
Speaker 3: from white belts to pretty much black belts. I really
Speaker 3: didn't know who I was. So I called I opened
Speaker 3: up my gym called Tier One Training Facility, and man,
Speaker 3: I'll be honest, it was. It was a massive struggle
Speaker 3: at first because I was new to doing business. I
Speaker 3: was literally reading books, you know, small Business for Dummies.
Speaker 3: And the break that I had because I had, like, man,
Speaker 3: I'm month to month I was bringing in like three
Speaker 3: or four students because I had to open up in
Speaker 3: an industrial area. Did I have that many people? And uh?
Speaker 3: I was like, man, how I'm gonna make this work?
Speaker 3: You know, I mean I'm in a legit black belt
Speaker 3: and I had there was like an mm A forum
Speaker 3: and uh, because I was checking the analytics like every day,
Speaker 3: like you know, to have any hits on my website
Speaker 3: is everyone looked, you know, and I had like maybe
Speaker 3: three four hits a day. It was horrible. And then
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you know, someone says, hey, man,
Speaker 3: you know there's on an MMA forum. There's someone that's
Speaker 3: talking about you. And the title of the thread was
Speaker 3: Special Forces Navy Seal Ranger opens up, you know, self
Speaker 3: proclaimed black belt and there's like four pages just people
Speaker 3: just talking shit, just constantly. And I was like, and
Speaker 3: I talked to him like what is this? You know,
Speaker 3: who's who's saying all this? Because there's no names on there,
Speaker 3: it's just pseudonyms and and man, I was about to
Speaker 3: jump on there and just start ripping them. But I
Speaker 3: looked at my analytics. Man, I had like twenty four
Speaker 3: thousand hits. You know, I was like, oh, back up,
Speaker 3: back up, can't do anything. Go and keep going, keep going.
Speaker 3: That was my big break, man. It's literally someone talking
Speaker 3: shit about me. And because at the end of like
Speaker 3: it was like four four pages worth and and someone
Speaker 3: had been you know, because the guy who apparently trained
Speaker 3: at Carlos Machado school, which is where I got my
Speaker 3: black belt, and they're like, hey, man, go into the
Speaker 3: changing room. There's this big, old framed like green beret,
Speaker 3: you know, with a picture of him and Carlos Machado.
Speaker 3: What he you know, and he got his black belt
Speaker 3: from Carlos, you know. So he's absolutely jit and a
Speaker 3: thread list ended. I was like, oh damn it, you know.
Speaker 3: But it came to abrupt end and you know, people
Speaker 3: started coming in. I started, you know, getting some of
Speaker 3: my and man, it was it was a really really
Speaker 3: nervous rough start. I'm be honest with you. I had
Speaker 3: a lot of anxiety.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: Who were the were they mostly like beginners, you know,
Speaker 4: brand new white belts that were coming in.
Speaker 3: Oh white belts. Man. That So the thing was is
Speaker 3: that I still had my I mean, I was, you know,
Speaker 3: getting into Olympic weightlifting and CrossFit you know, before I left.
Speaker 3: I started that when I was at in Fayetteville, and
Speaker 3: so I my athletic simo was going up, and uh
Speaker 3: so by the time I actually was was back, I
Speaker 3: wanted to get back into competing, and I feltured that
Speaker 3: would be a good way to kind of make my name,
Speaker 3: you know, known around there. And so I bet oh
Speaker 3: I had was White Belts and had to figure out
Speaker 3: how to wait to kind of utilize that the students
Speaker 3: that I had to actually train because I didn't have
Speaker 3: much free time, and uh so it was actually probably
Speaker 3: the most beneficial things for me personally, was was being
Speaker 3: able to change my tempo and be able to kind
Speaker 3: of ease off on pressure and you know, so I
Speaker 3: could actually move fast around them, but they're still moving.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like have lack of better terms, and
Speaker 3: I don't mean this in any way bad way, but
Speaker 3: like a training gummy, but I mean I competed at
Speaker 3: the Worlds in two thousand and twelve and took third
Speaker 3: and then pan Amasa took second. Wow, And this is
Speaker 3: like the early days on so it was it didn't
Speaker 3: actually start picking up until like twenty twelve, twenty thirteen
Speaker 3: at the school, and I kept competing, I mean until
Speaker 3: you know, twenty twenty two, or excuse me, twenty twenty
Speaker 3: one was my last jiu jitsu competition. In twenty twenty two,
Speaker 3: I did. I take that back. Twenty two I was
Speaker 3: competing introducers too, but on a pro platform, And twenty
Speaker 3: twenty two was the last competition I did, but it
Speaker 3: was in judo at Judah Worlds in Poland.
Speaker 1: It's interesting to hear you talk about like the growing pains,
Speaker 1: which I think is like very common for veterans getting
Speaker 1: transitioning into the civilian world, and specifically when it comes
Speaker 1: to dojo's. I've had guys tell me in the past,
Speaker 1: like dudes who were super badass fighters, but they didn't
Speaker 1: necessarily have the business acumen to run the gym. But
Speaker 1: I mean, clearly you figured it out and started doing
Speaker 1: something right.
Speaker 3: And I'll be honest with you. You know I had
Speaker 3: a lot of help.
Speaker 1: There was.
Speaker 3: I mean, I did a lot of reading, but you know,
Speaker 3: people that were like real computer savvy and understood like
Speaker 3: the whole you know, what was it the Google ads
Speaker 3: and you know, social media algorithms and things like that.
Speaker 3: Once I started kind of into that learning that, excuse me,
Speaker 3: I really started everything started picking up a lot more
Speaker 3: twenty fourteen. I think in twenty fifteen is when it
Speaker 3: really started going well and and I established a name
Speaker 3: for myself, you know, not just as being like a
Speaker 3: legitimate fighter, but a good coach as well. And it
Speaker 3: really panned out. So I literally got to live my dream.
Speaker 3: So it really worked out well.
Speaker 4: Out of curiosity, you know, when you you would you
Speaker 4: were a black belt before you got into powerlifting, and
Speaker 4: you know a lot of really heavy strength training.
Speaker 3: I take it.
Speaker 4: Did did you find that it changed your approach to
Speaker 4: jiu jitsu? Did you did it change your style of how.
Speaker 3: You rolled it? I don't think I could have had
Speaker 3: a better way of coming up in jiu jitsu being
Speaker 3: one hundred and forty five pounds and then learning, you know,
Speaker 3: because I was a big guy that had a small
Speaker 3: man's game. I literally had to have. I remember training
Speaker 3: at Travis Luter's place when I was a purple belt
Speaker 3: and he was so frustrated with me. He yelled at
Speaker 3: me across the room everyone's training. He's like, God, damn it, Alan,
Speaker 3: you're a big guy, You're two hundred and five pounds.
Speaker 3: Start acting like one. Get on top. Because I was
Speaker 3: always playing a little man's game on the bottom and
Speaker 3: I looked up and I was like, why's he yelling
Speaker 3: at me? But he was right, you know, And so
Speaker 3: I started playing a very top side game. From the time,
Speaker 3: I was like purple belt all the way up. But
Speaker 3: the thing was is that if I got swept or reversed,
Speaker 3: I was totally That was like where I came up from.
Speaker 3: So I was completely fine on my back as well.
Speaker 3: And then the Olympic weightlifting is probably what changed the
Speaker 3: entire dynamic, because I mean I got so involved into
Speaker 3: Olympic lifting and was still kind of vault and CrossFit,
Speaker 3: but I found a passion for Olympic lifting, and I
Speaker 3: mean I ended up having like a you know, three
Speaker 3: seventy clean uh, two seventy five snatch uh. And it
Speaker 3: all translated into jiu jitsu because I was still in
Speaker 3: the same weight class. I was still in super heavy
Speaker 3: that was under two hundred and twenty pounds. So I
Speaker 3: kept my size, you know, I toned my size down
Speaker 3: from where it was, but so I had the the
Speaker 3: endurance from CrossFit, I had the and from you know,
Speaker 3: of course training multiple rams in jiu jitsu and specialized
Speaker 3: in the training for competition and then I also had
Speaker 3: the strength that went along with the Olympic weightlifting more
Speaker 3: than anyone else. And when you're when you're training, it's
Speaker 3: entirely different than because in competition you have like a
Speaker 3: rule set, you have a weight class, and so there's
Speaker 3: a there's definitely a different dynamic than than if you're
Speaker 3: just training, and uh, of course there's a time limit.
Speaker 3: And man, it was a great combination. It really worked
Speaker 3: out well.
Speaker 4: It's the Olympic weightlifting, I mean for people who might
Speaker 4: not be familiar with that. Compared to you regular weightlifting,
Speaker 4: it's a lot of explosive power.
Speaker 3: Right absolutely, So you're basically like it's a it's a
Speaker 3: two event sport where you have you know, the snatch,
Speaker 3: which is you're trying to bring the bar up overhead
Speaker 3: in one movement, and then you have the clean and jerk,
Speaker 3: which is two movements to get it overhead. And so
Speaker 3: you know, speed and precision are definitely as one hundred
Speaker 3: more than anything else technique, but people don't understand it.
Speaker 3: You're you're lifting the bar like a thousand times to
Speaker 3: get it right once and twenty thirteen. So I got
Speaker 3: into it two thousand and eleven, like specifically in like
Speaker 3: Olympic weightlifting. Twenty twelve, I started competing. Twenty thirteen, I
Speaker 3: took I took first place at Texas State nash Texas
Speaker 3: State Championships and had two state records, so it panned out.
Speaker 3: But that was actually like what laid the foundation for
Speaker 3: my my strength training into jiu jitsu in fourteen, fifteen,
Speaker 3: sixteen or I actually uh, I think at twenty fourteen,
Speaker 3: I was ranked fourth in the world. Twenty fifteen I
Speaker 3: was competing so much. Twenty sixteen, it took second at Europeans,
Speaker 3: which is the largest tournament in the world, and they
Speaker 3: had like three thousand something competitors. Second at Panems and
Speaker 3: it was just it did wonders from my competition though,
Speaker 3: it really did.
Speaker 1: It's incredible and it's interesting, like as we're having this
Speaker 1: conversation and you had mentioned, I think before we started
Speaker 1: the sh show, like we've been talking about sort of
Speaker 1: your moving the chapters through your life, you know, time,
Speaker 1: special Forces, the gym, and what was kind of the
Speaker 1: next chapter for you after the gym, and you know,
Speaker 1: it sounds like, you know, winding down the competitions. Also, so.
Speaker 3: I got into judo because in two thousand. It was
Speaker 3: two thousand and fourteen. I believe I lost to a guy.
Speaker 3: I usually I used the wrestling takedowns, but in a
Speaker 3: GI there was a guy that had beat me strictly
Speaker 3: because he was able to manipulate the ge in a
Speaker 3: fashion where I couldn't use my wrestling, and I was
Speaker 3: like above and beyond frustrated with that, and I was determined,
Speaker 3: like that was that would never happen again, and so
Speaker 3: I started getting into judo strictly for jiu jitsu is
Speaker 3: like cross training for jiu jitsu interesting and man, I
Speaker 3: I ended up fighting that guy again and uh and
Speaker 3: took him down twice. The next time, I made a
Speaker 3: stupid mistake and kind of fell back into wrestling mode
Speaker 3: and they manipulated the gia and choping. So I learned
Speaker 3: my lesson on that. But the more I started training
Speaker 3: into judo for cross train, the more I kind of
Speaker 3: fell in love with that. And then I started competing
Speaker 3: in judo, and then I started getting really involved in it,
Speaker 3: Like twenty seventeen, eighteen twenty seventeen, I got my black
Speaker 3: belt in judo, and then I was competing at mainly State.
Speaker 3: A couple of ones you know out of town. I
Speaker 3: won US Nationals in twenty twenty one, and my last
Speaker 3: competition was at JUDOH Worlds. I think I took like
Speaker 3: fifth and that was I was an ass whooping. I
Speaker 3: lost to a guy from Azerbaijan, So I mean it
Speaker 3: was it was an incredible competition though, just no regrets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you're still kicking ass, competing in all
Speaker 1: of these different forms, including weightlifting, and you're not getting
Speaker 1: any younger either. I mean that's I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: take jabs at you. I mean, it's impressive that you're
Speaker 1: you had that kind of longevity as an athlete.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think it's the training that actually kind of
Speaker 3: keeps me in in the shape that I'm in. I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm kind of fortunate. I've only had I had to
Speaker 3: have complete reconstructive surgery on my right shoulder. I had
Speaker 3: to have surgery on my neck, fractured my C sixty seven,
Speaker 3: and I mean that was the only two surgeres ever
Speaker 3: had though. And I mean, don't get me wrong, I've
Speaker 3: I mean I've torn some tens and broke those things
Speaker 3: like that, but I think to really keep me out
Speaker 3: of it, just banish it up and keep going. So
Speaker 3: it's pretty fortunate that's that's only things that I've had.
Speaker 1: And there's the next chapter in your life. I mean,
Speaker 1: can you tell us what came after and kind of
Speaker 1: like bringing us closer to today, because I think it's
Speaker 1: pretty interesting what you're up to nowadays.
Speaker 3: So last year, I got a call from a good
Speaker 3: friend of mine I've known for like twenty years but
Speaker 3: just we just haven't kept in contact, but I'm knowing
Speaker 3: him for a while and it reaches out and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm the I'm the president for the National Cutting Horse Association.
Speaker 3: And I was like, I have no idea what that is.
Speaker 3: He's like, oh, it's a rodeo event. But now the
Speaker 3: reason I'm calling is because we have a fundraiser for
Speaker 3: special operations, different charities that we're raising money for. And
Speaker 3: I was like, absolutely, man, I'm in. And I started
Speaker 3: We DeFi Foundation with Joey Bosick back in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 3: using jiu jitsu's form of therapy for combat disabled veterans
Speaker 3: to reintegrate back into society, and so we're trying to
Speaker 3: raise money for we TOFI And so he explained to
Speaker 3: me like what the sport was and you know, of
Speaker 3: course I'm in. I had to call him back like
Speaker 3: ten minutes later. It's like, hey, man, did you want
Speaker 3: me to actually get on a horse. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: of course you want to be a part of it.
Speaker 3: And I was like, yeah, but I've never ridden a horse.
Speaker 3: And he's like, oh, you'll be fine, You'll be all right. So, man,
Speaker 3: I got on a horse for the first time last
Speaker 3: year to actually ride around and for cutting horses are
Speaker 3: like the Bugattis of horses. They're like, are the most
Speaker 3: athletic horses that you can find. They're so agile and fast.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's my whole goal last year was
Speaker 3: just not to fall off and and again it's just
Speaker 3: an exhibition show. But I managed to get third last year,
Speaker 3: and the coach that I had invited me out, uh
Speaker 3: to keep riding at his ranch and uh, man, I
Speaker 3: don't know. That was probably the worst idea because he
Speaker 3: hasn't been able to get rid of me since I
Speaker 3: just fell in love with the sport. I just love
Speaker 3: I love horses now and just the peace and tranquility.
Speaker 3: You know, he's been able to, you know, trust me
Speaker 3: to be able to go, you know, out in the
Speaker 3: ranch and move cows and to me, I mean, honestly,
Speaker 3: there's there's it's uncomparable. Honestly, Like, I haven't found something
Speaker 3: like this since I started jiu jitsu. So Jay Wimborne
Speaker 3: that the who was the president of n c CHA,
Speaker 3: introduced me to it, and Bruce Maureen has been my coach.
Speaker 3: And I'm telling you that I owe so much to
Speaker 3: those two men because they literally changed my life. It
Speaker 3: really has and opened me up to like a whole
Speaker 3: new world. Amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, what do you think it was that kind
Speaker 1: of like took you from you know, the very martial
Speaker 1: arts driven background that you have to something totally different really,
Speaker 1: and it's learning something new.
Speaker 3: It's not just learning something new, but it's something so
Speaker 3: drastically new, you know, because you have to have this
Speaker 3: symbiotic type relationship with the horse and they're, like I said,
Speaker 3: there's so athletic and so fast that you know you
Speaker 3: have to be it's basically just trying to stay out
Speaker 3: of their way, like Okay, I'm going to get you
Speaker 3: to hear and then you're going to take over and
Speaker 3: then if you need like a reminder, I'll tap you
Speaker 3: on where to go, you know. But you have like this,
Speaker 3: this relationship with no words. It's it's all physical and
Speaker 3: they are absolutely there's some of the most sensitive and
Speaker 3: creatures that that are out there. And I remember walking
Speaker 3: up to the horse for the first time and that
Speaker 3: horse started back in a way because I was scared
Speaker 3: out of my mind. Man, I've never been that close
Speaker 3: to a horse, you know what I mean. I'm like
Speaker 3: gonna and they're like, no, you have to walk sideways,
Speaker 3: and then you have to you know, have them smell
Speaker 3: your you know, the brush that you're gonna put on them,
Speaker 3: and then when you walk around, I'm like, and this
Speaker 3: this is how of a safety brief?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 3: Am I gonna get kicked? And they're gonna tramples because
Speaker 3: they're just huge. They're beautiful creatures though, and and once
Speaker 3: I started getting comfortable with them, I just I couldn't
Speaker 3: get to stay away. The there's a lot of organizations
Speaker 3: now that actually use equine therapy, as you know, for
Speaker 3: for mental health, and man, I I wouldn't. One of
Speaker 3: the things that we do with and we defy is
Speaker 3: we provide scholarships for for veterans combat disaleed veterans to
Speaker 3: be able to go train at a school that has
Speaker 3: been approved by we DeFi to make sure that the
Speaker 3: school is able and willing to accept the combat disabled
Speaker 3: veteran that could have physical or mental disabilities. Unfortunately, ninety
Speaker 3: four percent of the veterans that we have come through
Speaker 3: the program or with mental disabilities, a lot of them
Speaker 3: with TBI and PTS and show all the signs and
Speaker 3: symptoms of CTE. But so we provide a scholarship for
Speaker 3: them for a year and man a lot of them
Speaker 3: stay on after the scholarship to become like mentors or ambassadors.
Speaker 3: And now we have like I think it's over eight
Speaker 3: hundred affiliates nationwide different jiu jitsu schools that are jumped
Speaker 3: on the program. We've put over I think fourteen hundred
Speaker 3: veterans to the program and four hundred ambassadors. And the
Speaker 3: best part of this, no one gets paid in the foundation.
Speaker 3: So we're still at that point now where it's all volunteer,
Speaker 3: no one makes money off of it, and we think
Speaker 3: is eighty four percent of every dollar goes back to
Speaker 3: the veteran.
Speaker 1: Where can people find the organization if they want to
Speaker 1: get involved.
Speaker 3: We define foundation dot org okay, And one of the
Speaker 3: victories that we have though, is if we have someone
Speaker 3: that quits and says, man, you know, I love this,
Speaker 3: but I found you know, yoga, I found rock climbing.
Speaker 3: You know, to us, that's a win.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: So if people can find you know, their their their
Speaker 3: peace of mind and you know, find their solution through
Speaker 3: equine therapy, you know, that's absolutely a win for us
Speaker 3: as well, because the goals is for the veteran to
Speaker 3: get better, and there isn't anything you know that's We're
Speaker 3: not going to say no, you can't do that. You
Speaker 3: have to stay with you know. But it's a win
Speaker 3: for us too. It's a win for them. It's a
Speaker 3: win for us, and you know, we're glad that they
Speaker 3: were able to, you know, find the connections to jiu
Speaker 3: jitsu or you know, because that's a lot of the
Speaker 3: big part of it is this networking. And I mean
Speaker 3: that's exactly how I got into this was Jay was
Speaker 3: actually doing jiu jitsu and he remembered me from doing
Speaker 3: that and asked me to be a part of the show. So,
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's definitely a win and I highly
Speaker 3: recommend if anyone gets a chance to get equine therapy
Speaker 3: to give it a shot. You know, it does, wonders
Speaker 3: absolutely does.
Speaker 1: And you've also taken become a bit of a world
Speaker 1: traveler in recent months. Tell us a little bit about that.
Speaker 1: Where you've been, what you've been up to.
Speaker 3: So I so after October seventh, I was getting a
Speaker 3: lot of it's doing a lot of research, reading a
Speaker 3: lot of books, and I kept getting conflicting information. I
Speaker 3: was getting really frustrated with it, especially when I was
Speaker 3: talking to people about it, and like, you don't know,
Speaker 3: you don't know, you don't know, And so I was like,
Speaker 3: you know what I need to find out. I needed
Speaker 3: I need to find out on my own. And I
Speaker 3: started getting like a bug for travel about last year
Speaker 3: because I really like I was going to different I
Speaker 3: was going to Germany, I was, you know, visiting my
Speaker 3: friends there, and my mother lives in Italy, so I
Speaker 3: get an opportunity to go see her. I traveled out
Speaker 3: to Poland, and I just love experiencing, you know, different
Speaker 3: cultures and different things. So I felt that the only
Speaker 3: thing that was kind of keeping me in place was
Speaker 3: the school. So I sold to school in April, jumped
Speaker 3: on a plane and I was in England for a
Speaker 3: little bit and then went to Germany, into Austria and
Speaker 3: then flew into Jordan across the border, and well, I
Speaker 3: never got to fulfill this. But one of the guys
Speaker 3: that that was in tenth group was working for a
Speaker 3: company called GMR Global Medicine Responses, and they provide security
Speaker 3: to surgeons in different combat areas. And I jumped on
Speaker 3: a call with them and try to get a team
Speaker 3: leader position to provide security for surgeons going into Gaza,
Speaker 3: because I thought that would be the best way for
Speaker 3: me to find out what's going on. And so I
Speaker 3: got touched for them and ended up in the West
Speaker 3: Bank and waiting for a call. I was just staging
Speaker 3: out of the West Bank, you know, and never got
Speaker 3: the call for that. But yeah, while I was in
Speaker 3: the West Bank, I first spent about about ten days
Speaker 3: in Bethlehem, and then a lot of the things that
Speaker 3: were going off the hotspots were actually in Hebron. So
Speaker 3: I moved out to Hebron, got an apartment and just
Speaker 3: kind of start experiencing things for myself and see what
Speaker 3: was going on. Specifically, I just wanted to experience it,
Speaker 3: and it was there's an eye opening experience at least.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, tell us about that. I mean, any
Speaker 1: as you point out yourself. I mean, there's so much
Speaker 1: conflicting information coming out of the region. And when people
Speaker 1: challenged you and said, well you don't know, you know,
Speaker 1: you were like, well, okay, I'm going to go find
Speaker 1: out and actually went there. I mean, I'd be interested
Speaker 1: to hear what your experience was like.
Speaker 3: So one of the things is that you hear is
Speaker 3: well before I left a lot of people. I told
Speaker 3: a few people about it and and they're like, well,
Speaker 3: where are you going to be spending your time? And
Speaker 3: I was like, well, I'll be waited in the West Bank.
Speaker 3: They're like, I'll be careful, be careful. You know, you
Speaker 3: can't trust those people. And so I kept hearing that.
Speaker 3: You know, after a few times, I was like, wait
Speaker 3: a minute, who are you talking about. You're talking about
Speaker 3: you know, the Israelies or the Palestinians, Like the Palestinians,
Speaker 3: I mean Hamasca take you hostage. And I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: so we'll see how that goes. So when I got
Speaker 3: to I was Bethlehem is very much like a touristy
Speaker 3: type place. So the first thing I kind of noticed
Speaker 3: was there was there's different types of Sharia law. But
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not sure if you've been like Bahrain
Speaker 3: or anything like that, or Dubai and Bahrain and both
Speaker 3: under Sharia law, but I mean you can. I mean
Speaker 3: Dubai is like Las Vegas for the Middle East. They
Speaker 3: so liquor there and beery at the restaurants. Everything. Buttlam's
Speaker 3: kind of similar, same, very similar. Excuse me. And I
Speaker 3: wasn't expecting that. And then when I left Bethlehem and
Speaker 3: was going to Hebron, I got there early in the
Speaker 3: morning and I think around six, and none of the
Speaker 3: businesses open there until like eight or nine. And my
Speaker 3: SIM card wasn't working on my phone, and so I
Speaker 3: had no GPS. So I was supposed to have like
Speaker 3: a contact meet me and to give me a ride.
Speaker 3: And I was taking the service, which is like a
Speaker 3: shared taxi, and so I get there, I don't speak
Speaker 3: the language. The Arabic that I learned at the Q
Speaker 3: course was like not no, no good at all because
Speaker 3: they speak leven teen and I hadn't spoken ever like
Speaker 3: fifteen years. So I literally waved down the first person
Speaker 3: I could see him, just pointing. The only thing that
Speaker 3: saved me had a screenshot of like where it was
Speaker 3: supposed to be, and so like, literally, can you help
Speaker 3: me out, like pointing at my phone, and uh, he
Speaker 3: just is, you know, just wait here. So kind of
Speaker 3: like we're waiting by the side of the street and
Speaker 3: the first person that walks or drives by, he flags
Speaker 3: down and he speaks to every to him, I couldn't understand.
Speaker 3: He's like, okay, get it fudded fuddled, like go go.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh shit, this is how this shit starts.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm getting rolled up real fast, and uh.
Speaker 3: And he took me like a couple of miles up
Speaker 3: the road and it's a lot of hills. So I'm
Speaker 3: really glad I did, but dropped me off exact where
Speaker 3: we're supposed to go, and he's like, okay, yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3: I was like, so I was trying to give him money.
Speaker 3: He's like, ah, go go. It's like, you know, sugur,
Speaker 3: thank you. I appreciate that. And he's like problem mish mushka,
Speaker 3: you know. So I was like, oh, that's crazy. So
Speaker 3: I still had a lot of apprehension just because of
Speaker 3: the things that I'd heard, and then man, I honestly
Speaker 3: have never met more welcoming people in my entire life.
Speaker 3: The most I've never heard the word welcome more in
Speaker 3: my entire life than I did the two months that
Speaker 3: I spent there. Everywhere I went I had to add
Speaker 3: like twenty thirty minutes to my walk because random people,
Speaker 3: whether it be in front of a cafe or shop owner.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't blend there at all.
Speaker 1: I want to talk and.
Speaker 6: So like hey, come, come, welcome, Come, come, welcome, Welcome,
Speaker 6: Sit coffee, coffee, Sit, Sit.
Speaker 3: And man, I was wired for days. It's the little shots,
Speaker 3: you know, they're super thick, but man, I honestly that
Speaker 3: was that was probably one of the most craziest experiences.
Speaker 3: And so you know, for like a month, I didn't
Speaker 3: really have I didn't sign up with any organization or
Speaker 3: you know, human rights organization or anything like that until
Speaker 3: about a month in and I met up with an
Speaker 3: organization called Human Defenders and then another one called CPT Palestine,
Speaker 3: and and then I met the chief photographer for Routers
Speaker 3: Media and that was probably one of the best cans
Speaker 3: context that I got because he was actually able to
Speaker 3: take me on some of the stories he was working
Speaker 3: on and then kind of kept me updated with different
Speaker 3: things that were going on in the area because he
Speaker 3: had different journalists that were working to areas around the
Speaker 3: West Bank and like up to date things, you know,
Speaker 3: so that was kind of that was crazy contact. That
Speaker 3: was phenomenal. But Musa was uh, he spoke really good
Speaker 3: English and you know, was able to explain a lot
Speaker 3: to me and you know, took me around Hebron and
Speaker 3: but h as as conservative as Hebron was. And they
Speaker 3: said welcomed first and then asked me where I was from.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: So I think that that that says a lot though,
Speaker 3: because they welcomed me in and then wanted to do
Speaker 3: where I was from versus I mean, I could have
Speaker 3: been just as well, you know, Israeli. I mean, because
Speaker 3: that's only people I either saw with tattoos, you know,
Speaker 3: and I honestly don't think they would have cared. They
Speaker 3: just they saw someone that looked different and definitely was
Speaker 3: a foreigner, and they welcomed me in. I had my
Speaker 3: neighbors in the apartment building that I was at brought
Speaker 3: me in for if hard to an aid in their
Speaker 3: family meals and welcome me in. Other neighbors. I remember
Speaker 3: someone knocking on my door and a little girl that
Speaker 3: was holding like a bowl of fruit and dates and
Speaker 3: things like that, you know, you know, for if Tarid
Speaker 3: Aid Mobatak, and it was and I love the people there, honestly,
Speaker 3: They're beautiful people.
Speaker 1: It's incredible some of these parts of the world where
Speaker 1: people take you into your into their homes like that,
Speaker 1: and it's just you don't you almost don't know what
Speaker 1: to say.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. But and then the other part of it was,
Speaker 3: you know, seeing how horrendously they were treated. I had
Speaker 3: a gun drawn on me nine times in two months
Speaker 3: by the Israeli occupation forces out there. I mean literally
Speaker 3: I was walking through the old city and uh, they
Speaker 3: have these literally a settlement like a you know, uh
Speaker 3: design a settlement there and they have these like gates
Speaker 3: on the top and uh, you know with these fencing
Speaker 3: because they throw things down at the at the Palestinians.
Speaker 3: And man, it was I'm just probably like two o'clock
Speaker 3: in the afternoon, I'm walking by, and I look up
Speaker 3: and I see a guy in a guard tower and
Speaker 3: he kind of looks down and I'm just kind of
Speaker 3: like curious to why he's like agitated. And then I
Speaker 3: see him on sling and then just points directly at me.
Speaker 3: And just kind of like, Okay, that's gonna be great.
Speaker 3: But at checkpoints, you know, them coming by the passenger
Speaker 3: side and drawing the weapons porn directly at me and
Speaker 3: then you know, demanding the passport and so like it
Speaker 3: happened like two three times at a checkpoint, you know,
Speaker 3: a couple of time in the Old City, just randomly.
Speaker 3: Anytime I was kind of like it was a checkpoint
Speaker 3: and just kind of like a necessity to pull out
Speaker 3: the gun and kind of show, you know, you know
Speaker 3: that they're that they're there, I guess, you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: And I think one of the big things was seeing
Speaker 3: the apartheid while in the West Bank was definitely one
Speaker 3: of those. I mean, it really had me thinking a lot,
Speaker 3: because you know there's signs that say, you know, danger
Speaker 3: Palestinian sides. Only you know, on Israeli is not allowed,
Speaker 3: Israeli citizens not allowed. The only people that I saw
Speaker 3: that were quote unquote Jewish were the settlers and occupation
Speaker 3: forces and so the Palestinians and they call themselves Jews
Speaker 3: by the way, I mean so, but they're the ones
Speaker 3: that are taking over Palestinians. They're the ones that are
Speaker 3: doing the raids, you know, and and busting into people's
Speaker 3: apartments and in their homes and either just you know,
Speaker 3: taking in and thrashing the place, or you know, taking
Speaker 3: him in for questioning for whatever reason, harassing them at
Speaker 3: that checkpoints. And so if you have and they don't
Speaker 3: see anybody else, you know. So I think, in my opinion,
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot more of a psychological aspect
Speaker 3: to the Apartheid Wall then there is physically a little
Speaker 3: bit what that wall is alan it's a wall that's
Speaker 3: surrounding all of the West Bank, separating the Israelies creators
Speaker 3: really from the West Bank itself. And I actually got
Speaker 3: to see, uh, you know the artist Banksy, Yes, so
Speaker 3: he has a hotel there called it's a it's a
Speaker 3: spin off the Waldorf Hotel called the wald Off Hotel
Speaker 3: and uh and his art is actually all over the
Speaker 3: place in the West Bank for understands and Gaza too,
Speaker 3: but he has his hotel there and all the windows
Speaker 3: the view is always from you know, into the wall.
Speaker 3: So it got the theme there, and I mean it
Speaker 3: goes down as far as you can see. It's like
Speaker 3: this massive like twenty five foot wall, concrete wall, and
Speaker 3: I think it's you know, to keep you know, the
Speaker 3: Israelis from seeing you know that you know, how good
Speaker 3: these people really are. I think that if there was
Speaker 3: a lot more of a type like human connection where
Speaker 3: people could actually talk to each other, there'd be I
Speaker 3: think that whole myth would kind of fall apart, you know,
Speaker 3: because they're taught from a very young Israelis are taught
Speaker 3: from a very young age that these people are like
Speaker 3: they hate them and they want to kill them. And
Speaker 3: it's just not the case at all, honestly, the as
Speaker 3: different as I was, and there was no reason. And
Speaker 3: that's the other thing too, It's it's not a religious
Speaker 3: thing whatsoever, because you know, when I was in Bethlehem,
Speaker 3: you know, there were Christians and Muslims living side by
Speaker 3: side in along just like anyone. There's women wearing hit jobs.
Speaker 3: The women who wear hit jobs. So it's not like
Speaker 3: an Iranian state where you have to you know, where
Speaker 3: they have like the moral police going around and you know,
Speaker 3: or like Afghanistan where if you're not wearing it, you know,
Speaker 3: you'll get beaten or something. I think that's more of
Speaker 3: like a government policy than anything else. But yeah, there,
Speaker 3: I mean, I never had hit the fact that I
Speaker 3: was atheists, you know, and you know, I was always
Speaker 3: you know, thinking that if you read you know, the
Speaker 3: you know, anyonere online that you know, it's all the
Speaker 3: Muslim countries, that it's a capital punishment to be an atheist.
Speaker 3: But no one gave a shit. Everyone was fine with it.
Speaker 3: One of the guys, and one thing I can respect
Speaker 3: about a lot of the Muslims, they actually memorize the Koran.
Speaker 3: They read it, memorize it. And one of the guys
Speaker 3: I was talking to said, yeah, asked me if I
Speaker 3: was Christian. I was like no, I was like, are
Speaker 3: you Muslim? No, you're Jewish. No. He's like so he
Speaker 3: kind of looked at He's like Hindu. I was like no,
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm atheist. He's like, huh, so, so
Speaker 3: you're a seeker. It's like, what do you mean. And
Speaker 3: he's like, so you're seeking knowledge. You're trying to seek
Speaker 3: the knowledge to try to make a decision. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I can go with that. Yeah, so even being atheist,
Speaker 3: no one cared.
Speaker 1: You know, well, I mean that kind of literally is
Speaker 1: why you were there though, even if it wasn't a
Speaker 1: religious context.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely it was. You're absolutely right, it was to
Speaker 3: seek knowledge, to experience things for myself. And I went
Speaker 3: to schools. I looked at the books, you know, in
Speaker 3: different different grades to make sure, you know, because one
Speaker 3: of the things I saw was mind com inside the
Speaker 3: books and I'm making you know, how to make bombs
Speaker 3: and you know, taught in their classes, and they didn't
Speaker 3: see any of that. And like, honestly, I just you know,
Speaker 3: a lot of the things that I've been told is
Speaker 3: that they're just evil, vile people, and man, it couldn't
Speaker 3: be further away from the truth, honestly, just some of
Speaker 3: the most welcoming, nicest people I've ever met in my life.
Speaker 1: And how did you wind down that part of the trip?
Speaker 1: I remember, weren't you trying to go to Israel for
Speaker 1: a while? Also?
Speaker 3: Uh no, the only place I was trying to go
Speaker 3: to was in Gaza, gotcha. Honestly, Like, by the time
Speaker 3: that trips I winded down, the last the last thing
Speaker 3: I wanted. I didn't want to step foot in Israel.
Speaker 3: So that now I get things like we don't know
Speaker 3: the other side. Yeah, I know the other side. I've
Speaker 3: been saying for a long time that Israel's is an
Speaker 3: apartheid state, that's been illegally occupying the West Bank and Gaza,
Speaker 3: And I mean, if the ICC just came out with
Speaker 3: that ruling as well, I mean that just kind of like,
Speaker 3: you know, that backs up everything I've been saying. I'm
Speaker 3: not saying all Israelis are bad, and I'm not even
Speaker 3: saying that all the IDF, but let me rephrase that
Speaker 3: real quick. There are some people that refuse to go
Speaker 3: into the IDF. So I know there's some good Israelis
Speaker 3: out there, and there's a lot of Israelis that are,
Speaker 3: you know, protesting against what they're doing. So it's not
Speaker 3: just a blind hatred for everybody. It's it's you know,
Speaker 3: I get definitely against, but you've got to understand. I mean,
Speaker 3: if you see the mentality of you know, a mob
Speaker 3: that's literally attacking a detention center because you know, these
Speaker 3: idea of soldiers in charge of the you know, have
Speaker 3: been raping Palestinians to death and they're saying, well, they
Speaker 3: deserve it, and they're held as heroes. That kind of
Speaker 3: gives you an understanding of the mentality. And this is
Speaker 3: something that just happened this last week, you know, So
Speaker 3: it's very hard to argue that you know, they're very
Speaker 3: moral or the world's moral army. When they're literally celebrating
Speaker 3: the death of a Palestinian and a detention center by
Speaker 3: raping him to death, I mean, how is that being
Speaker 3: argued with? You know, how can you argue that? Honestly?
Speaker 3: They can do you know, targeted specific bombs against you know,
Speaker 3: kata Eskimino Kata. But the Hamas leaders and the Iranian
Speaker 3: leaders in Syria and Iran, like they just did a
Speaker 3: couple of days ago, but they're they've dropped what seventy
Speaker 3: thousand tons of ammunition on Gaza. I mean, we have
Speaker 3: right now. It's not even an accurate account, you know,
Speaker 3: because I guarantee the numbers a lot higher than forty
Speaker 3: thousand civilians fifteen thousand children, and no one's I don't
Speaker 3: support Hamas by any means. I don't support the the
Speaker 3: killing of civilians or taking the hostages in any way.
Speaker 3: But I'm also not in their position, and I don't know,
Speaker 3: I can definitely understand, you know, after you know they've
Speaker 3: been occupied for so long, you know the amount of
Speaker 3: frustration and anger. I mean, it's seventy percent of Hamas
Speaker 3: are orphans. That's got to tell you a lot. I
Speaker 3: mean that means that they literally have nothing to lose anymore.
Speaker 3: They've lost everything. And again, you don't have to agree,
Speaker 3: but you have to at least understand, to at least
Speaker 3: know what the situation is. And this is literally just
Speaker 3: this is a genocide. This is the definition of ethnic cleansing.
Speaker 3: I mean, I was in the West Bank and they've
Speaker 3: already taken four thousand people. You know, I say hostages,
Speaker 3: not prisoners, because what they haven't committed any crime. You know,
Speaker 3: Gaza was an open air prison. Because they're not prisoners. Prisoners.
Speaker 3: Is is stating that they did something wrong and they
Speaker 3: weren't doing anything wrong. The hostages that they they took,
Speaker 3: you know that Hamas took again, I don't agree with that,
Speaker 3: but I don't agree with the nine thousand that is
Speaker 3: really is taken as well. And just because of their
Speaker 3: government doesn't mean that they're not a terrorist organization.
Speaker 1: Allen, I'm a little bit curious if you had any
Speaker 1: takeaways as far as why this particular conflict, or this
Speaker 1: stage in the conflict has unfolded the way it has,
Speaker 1: as opposed to the decapitation strikes we saw over the
Speaker 1: over the weekend where you know, these real precision strikes
Speaker 1: against some really bad guys. Why we haven't seen more
Speaker 1: of that and less of you know, flattening the city.
Speaker 3: Hey, you talking about the leader Hamas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Hamas leader in Taran, and then there's an
Speaker 1: IRGC guy in Damascus.
Speaker 3: I believe, I'm not sure about the RCG guy. The
Speaker 3: leader Hamasa was trying to negotiate peace, and it's hard
Speaker 3: to actually negotiate peace when he killed that guy.
Speaker 1: The hostage negotiator.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was trying to negotiate a seasefire. And one
Speaker 3: thing that Hans Rubinstein, the former he quit about the
Speaker 3: month and a half ago, but he was the spokesperson
Speaker 3: for the hostages. People keep saying it's about the hostage,
Speaker 3: about the hostages, but yah, Yahoo was actually keeping it
Speaker 3: from the Israelis, keeping it a secret. They could have
Speaker 3: had all the hostages back ninth tenth of October in
Speaker 3: return for not invading Gaza, but he didn't want to
Speaker 3: do that, so they could have had the hostages back,
Speaker 3: and he's been trying to actually negotiate that it's been
Speaker 3: in their court and the amount of lying that the
Speaker 3: I mean literally just saying no, this is an Israeli plan.
Speaker 3: They're going to accept it. It's how much they were
Speaker 3: waiting on and then switching the channel and looking at
Speaker 3: the Kanessant and saying, it doesn't matter what we're not stopping,
Speaker 3: doesn't matter if we get the hostages back, we're still
Speaker 3: going to keep going and we're not accepting any deal
Speaker 3: other than that, and then John Kirby going out and
Speaker 3: spewing out the nonsense is absolutely ridiculous about the precision
Speaker 3: bombings though, how can you how can you say that
Speaker 3: you know yours specifically going after anybody when you have
Speaker 3: that type of casualty. I mean, let's take the hostage
Speaker 3: rescue right, they were saying it was such a what
Speaker 3: was the stunning rescue? To say four hostages in two
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy six Palestinian civilians were killed. That's a
Speaker 3: catastrophic failure on every level. Yeah, you're not. The whole
Speaker 3: thing about hostage rescue is not killing civilians and the hostages.
Speaker 3: They've already killed three hostages. They did that I think
Speaker 3: in December where they were literally speaking Hebrew kind of
Speaker 3: a shirt on, waving white flags and they got smoked.
Speaker 3: So I do want the hostages come back, before the
Speaker 3: IOF kills any more of them. And Amos was saying that,
Speaker 3: you know, and if you look at the look at
Speaker 3: the condition that all the hostages returned from the homicide, right,
Speaker 3: they're in good health, have been fed. There's a lot
Speaker 3: of them they keep from the TV because they're saying, no,
Speaker 3: they treated me well. You know. Then one lady came
Speaker 3: on there like, oh, they treated me so bad. They
Speaker 3: didn't knock before they came in. And it may be
Speaker 3: clean versus being raped to death. And you see other
Speaker 3: people that are coming back in such a condition where
Speaker 3: they literally don't even look human anymore. They look like
Speaker 3: they I mean, there was one guy that came in.
Speaker 3: He was like limping on his way back, had lost
Speaker 3: like probably like eighty ninety pounds. Look at how they're
Speaker 3: treating the different the other types. And again I don't
Speaker 3: support taking hostages on either side. There was an arrest
Speaker 3: one put out not just for net and Yahoo and
Speaker 3: what was his name, the general, the one of his staff,
Speaker 3: but the MOSS leaders as well, to go in front
Speaker 3: of the court, you see what I mean. And I
Speaker 3: thought that was absolutely fair because in my opinion, there
Speaker 3: were war crimes that were committed on October seventh, and
Speaker 3: they need to be held responsible, but so does net
Speaker 3: and Yahoo and the rest of the Knesset that that
Speaker 3: was involved in actually you know, supporting everything that's been
Speaker 3: going on.
Speaker 5: Where do you where?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 4: Where did you get the information that the hostages could
Speaker 4: have been recovered as early as October ninth or tenth.
Speaker 3: From Hans Rubinstein and the Horetes and Times of Israel,
Speaker 3: the media, they actually posted articles on that.
Speaker 4: It's I mean, it's because by all accounts, I don't
Speaker 4: even think Hamas knew where all the hostages were because
Speaker 4: some of them were taken by civilians, right, So so
Speaker 4: are they saying that the Hamas held hostages.
Speaker 3: Would have returned the hostages Hamas had could have been
Speaker 3: all returned ninth and tenth if they would have not
Speaker 3: gone on to proceed to attack Gaza Strip. There's two
Speaker 3: articles that I got a lot of sourcing from was
Speaker 3: from Haretes and Times of Israel would just type up,
Speaker 3: and then Hans Rubinstein actually did a take that back.
Speaker 3: Hans Ruverside actually did a formal piece on that as well,
Speaker 3: where he actually spoke out against what was going on,
Speaker 3: and he was the spokesperson for the families that the
Speaker 3: hostage has been taken Alan.
Speaker 1: This is a bit of an unfair question to pose
Speaker 1: to you or any of us, But based on sort
Speaker 1: of what you saw over there, what you experienced, you know,
Speaker 1: what your takeaways are from that, Where do you see
Speaker 1: this going? I mean, this conflict has been simmering on
Speaker 1: and off since nineteen forty eight at least, and this
Speaker 1: is maybe as bad as it's ever been.
Speaker 3: The one thing that I keep hearing is that there
Speaker 3: was a truce beforehand. But if you actually look and
Speaker 3: like what happened I think was September twenty third, there
Speaker 3: was like an eleven day year strike mission, you know
Speaker 3: against Gaza. There was three hundred or excuse me, two
Speaker 3: hundred and forty seven than Palestinians killed in twenty between
Speaker 3: January first, twenty twenty three, in October first, twenty twenty three,
Speaker 3: two hundred and thirty seven a year before that, three
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty one a year before that, and twenty
Speaker 3: twenty one. You're absolutely right, you know. One of the
Speaker 3: biggest fallacies that I keep hearing is if Hamas put
Speaker 3: their bold things, if Palestinians put their arms down, which
Speaker 3: they're not armed, there will be peace. If the Israelis
Speaker 3: put their arms down, there would be a genocide and
Speaker 3: a massacre. If the Israelies would stop with the illttle sediments,
Speaker 3: which they actually just approved five more illegal sediments about
Speaker 3: three weeks ago. They also Israelis also voted overwhelmingly that
Speaker 3: there will never be a two state solution. There will
Speaker 3: never be a one state solution, that the Palestinians will
Speaker 3: never receive any type of validation that they actually have
Speaker 3: their own their own statehood. So everything that the US
Speaker 3: is saying that they're trying to achieve, like a two
Speaker 3: state solution, well you have to have these Reelis to
Speaker 3: agree on that as well. So if they're saying that
Speaker 3: they will never have that, I mean, then the US
Speaker 3: is literally just bullshitting everybody saying, yeah, we'll work on
Speaker 3: a two state solution. Will it feels be a two
Speaker 3: sided down The first thing that needs to stop is
Speaker 3: legal settlements, I mean, the settler violence that's going on.
Speaker 3: It's been the worst ever ever, especially in the West Bank.
Speaker 3: While I was there, there was two thousand, two thousand
Speaker 3: excuse me, there's two dozen Palestinians that were killed in
Speaker 3: the outskirts of Hebron where I was at. I even
Speaker 3: posted on on my page on Instagram. You know there
Speaker 3: was unless it got taken down literally showing like the
Speaker 3: you know, the settlers coming in and really beat Palaesians.
Speaker 3: And this is something that's spent ongoing for very long time,
Speaker 3: even in Hamas Charta in twenty seven, the twenty seventeen
Speaker 3: of Miles Charter and articles. It's not the annihilation of Jews.
Speaker 3: You know, they don't want to kill the Jews. That's
Speaker 3: not the case at all. It literally specifies and articulates
Speaker 3: it in a very good way that they only want
Speaker 3: to stop and the the Zionist movement from taking more
Speaker 3: land invicting more Palestinians so they can get taken over.
Speaker 3: I mean. Another thing that was happening while I was
Speaker 3: there was so all the aquifers and the water actually
Speaker 3: comes from the West Bank. There's no water shortage, but
Speaker 3: while I was there, they cut the water from a
Speaker 3: sixty five percent for no reason. And that you can
Speaker 3: always tell the Palestinians homes from the settlers homes because
Speaker 3: there's water tanks on all of the Palestinian homes because
Speaker 3: they have to pay for them, so they have to
Speaker 3: pay for their water, and the settlers use five times
Speaker 3: more water. But yet they'll cut it off and then
Speaker 3: turn them back on, cut it off, turn it back
Speaker 3: on because they're in control of that. If you wanted
Speaker 3: to buy a car like a Kia Sorento, right, you
Speaker 3: paid like ten grand for it, it's a twenty thousand
Speaker 3: dollars car there because you have to pay an import
Speaker 3: tax one hundred percent. This the ship needs to stop now.
Speaker 3: If my thing is is like, for example, we don't
Speaker 3: have any more slave rebellions, right, we don't have you know,
Speaker 3: uprisings and slaves that that go and kill people like
Speaker 3: the Turner rebellion that was horrible event, because we don't
Speaker 3: have any more slavery. So right, the entire world is
Speaker 3: seeing this. The entire world agrees the ICC, the highest
Speaker 3: court in the world world is saying that it isn't
Speaker 3: a part state that's been illegal occupying Palestinians in the
Speaker 3: West Bank and Gaza since nineteen sixty seven, but the
Speaker 3: horrendous actions have been continuing since nineteen forty eight. This
Speaker 3: I agree with the icy C on this fullheartedly. It's
Speaker 3: a long read, but it's well worth it. Don't get
Speaker 3: me wrong, I how to use s dictionarund a lot
Speaker 3: of it. This is about two thousand pages, but if
Speaker 3: you read like the the summary of it, it actually
Speaker 3: outlines like exactly like what needs to stop, because what
Speaker 3: is illegal needs to stop, the illegal settlements and the
Speaker 3: settler of violence the community when every time they try
Speaker 3: to go to ABRAHAMI Mosque. You know the history on
Speaker 3: remember the Abraham Moss massacre in February twenty fifth, nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety four. I don't, it's when. So there was a
Speaker 3: Israeli Zionist Jewish Zionist, Bruke Goldstein, that went into the
Speaker 3: Abrahamian Mosque during Ramadan and as the Muslims were praying,
Speaker 3: loaded his weapon and killed twenty nine and injured seventy
Speaker 3: I think No. No. One hundred and fifteen, injured one
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty and killed twenty nine. They all eventually
Speaker 3: outnumbered him and beat him to death, but he's hailed
Speaker 3: as a hero. Well, that was horrible in itself, but
Speaker 3: what happened after was even worse. The entire area and
Speaker 3: this is like a heavy market that's right there by.
Speaker 3: ABRAHAMI Mosque was shut down for six months and the
Speaker 3: checkpoints were enlarged. They had more checkpoints out there, and
Speaker 3: fifty four of the mosque was taken over by these relies.
Speaker 3: The rest of the mosque had a bunch of cameras
Speaker 3: and stall all over it. So that's the justice that
Speaker 3: they received. They had this horrendous event that happened to
Speaker 3: the Muslims, to the Palestinians, and their justice was we'll
Speaker 3: take half of your church and had more checkpoints. I mean,
Speaker 3: these are the things that need to end. If you
Speaker 3: want to stop the resistance, you have to eliminate what
Speaker 3: the people are resisting.
Speaker 7: When you say resistance, I mean you're.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 4: So the West Bank and Gaza are two completely separate entities,
Speaker 4: right and Hamas was the elected government of Gaza, but
Speaker 4: is not is not quite so present in the West Bank.
Speaker 3: Is that correct? They're not in control at all authority.
Speaker 4: We're because the from my understanding, you correct me if
Speaker 4: I'm wrong, But Israeli occupy or Israeli troops inside Gaza
Speaker 4: stopped like was it twenty fourteen, twenty seventeen, like there
Speaker 4: was two thousand and six. Thank you very much, yes, so,
Speaker 4: And you know, we can talk about Gaza being an
Speaker 4: open air prison. But Egypt is also like on the
Speaker 4: side of like not allowing Gosin's free passage through through
Speaker 4: Egypt either. So there's so it's not just an Israeli issue,
Speaker 4: Like there are issues with the settlements, no doubt. And
Speaker 4: you know, and I think that prior to October seventh
Speaker 4: there was a lot of pushback and maybe even now
Speaker 4: I don't know, but I think there was a lot
Speaker 4: of pushback.
Speaker 1: In Israel, like a lot of.
Speaker 4: Less conservative I don't mean like American politic politics conservative,
Speaker 4: but a lot of like the kids at the Nova
Speaker 4: Festival probably most of them would have.
Speaker 7: Been against settlements in you know, the settlements in the
Speaker 7: West Main.
Speaker 5: But I just.
Speaker 4: I just when you say resistance, I feel like there's
Speaker 4: two separate issues.
Speaker 7: Here are two separate things going on.
Speaker 4: There is the West Bank and the settlements, and then
Speaker 4: there's a terrorist organization called Hamas which conducted horrific a
Speaker 4: horrific terrorist attack.
Speaker 5: Is that is that?
Speaker 7: I mean, you can tell me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 3: I think it's more of a perception. Nelson Mandela was
Speaker 3: actually considered a terrorist ah way, but to the two
Speaker 3: thousand and eight for standing up to the apartheid in
Speaker 3: South Africa. In two thousand and six, the Israeli has
Speaker 3: actually removed all their settlements from Gaza and but replaced
Speaker 3: it with the wall and automas weapons pointing inward. They
Speaker 3: control the water, air landed, all the land, sea and air.
Speaker 3: Every thing that goes in and out. They control and
Speaker 3: subsidized food. There's like the red line directive which is
Speaker 3: allowing only so much food going in there that won't
Speaker 3: allow light bulbs in for like chicken coops see that,
Speaker 3: I mean Cilantro and to Gaza Gaza.
Speaker 4: So how then, because I'm not really familiar with a
Speaker 4: lot of that, like how were there resorts and car
Speaker 4: dealerships and malls and things like that in Gaza?
Speaker 3: And everything has to go through Israel to get inside
Speaker 3: is what I'm saying. And everything. There's a lot of
Speaker 3: things that are actually like they're not allowed in like
Speaker 3: for example, fishing poles, different type like potato, chips, chocolates,
Speaker 3: I mean, different things like that are actually banned from that.
Speaker 3: The the amount of things like for example, you can't
Speaker 3: even go out so far to fish before they'll actually
Speaker 3: like shoot you up, you know, if you try to
Speaker 3: go fish outside. The taxation on there is is crippling
Speaker 3: any because Israel does have control of everything that goes
Speaker 3: in and out of Gosa. Another thing that that ads,
Speaker 3: you know, makes the story even more complicated. But let
Speaker 3: me one point though. First, Egypt has already I think
Speaker 3: a quarter million refugees from Palestinian refugees. Jordan has two million,
Speaker 3: Lebanon has I believe two hundred and seventy five, Syria
Speaker 3: has a fifty seven thousand. It's just there's there's two
Speaker 3: things that are going on there. One, they know if
Speaker 3: they leave then they'll be able to come back, and
Speaker 3: so a lot of people are just trying to stay
Speaker 3: there because they want to go back home. The second
Speaker 3: thing is there's i mean just kind of like the
Speaker 3: immigration problem. You know, in any country, you have an
Speaker 3: influx of people and they're going to be stuck there.
Speaker 3: So the taxation on everything is is one of the
Speaker 3: biggest problems to have because they're reliant on, you know,
Speaker 3: to getting this really passed. That they have to go
Speaker 3: through these cattle like gated gates, you know, in order
Speaker 3: to get like a work permit and to be worked,
Speaker 3: to be able to work in Israel. And so there's
Speaker 3: a lot of different parts of this that you know
Speaker 3: that that's why their economy is like is crumbling on there.
Speaker 3: They have entire blockades. Another part that makes this even
Speaker 3: more complicated about Hamas itself is there is I mean
Speaker 3: Ntyahu himself has said, you know, in front of the
Speaker 3: Likud party in twenty I think it was twenty eighteen,
Speaker 3: and it can actually looked us up on Jerusalem Post.
Speaker 3: I think it's from twenty nineteen. How Ya who's project
Speaker 3: is going to backfire in his face because he's been
Speaker 3: funding him since like nineteen eighty eight in order to
Speaker 3: prevent a two state solution. Because as long as Hamas
Speaker 3: is control in the Gaza, excuse me, as long as
Speaker 3: the Palestinian authorities and control in the West Bank and
Speaker 3: the Hamas is in control in Gaza, there will never
Speaker 3: be a two state solution. You have to have a
Speaker 3: unified government.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: I remember actually seeing ron Paul Tak you know, in
Speaker 3: any congressional hearing, you know, talking about this in two
Speaker 3: thousand and nine, how Nana who was funding Hamas and
Speaker 3: this is back in two thousand and nine, so it's
Speaker 3: nothing to where it's you know, it's new information. Because again,
Speaker 3: as long as as Hamas is up and going. Then
Speaker 3: it'll never be a two state solution because it'll never
Speaker 3: be able to agree on things.
Speaker 1: It is kind of surreal to think about, and I
Speaker 1: mean I wouldn't even entertain it if it wasn't so reported.
Speaker 1: But I mean it's almost like imagine if George W.
Speaker 1: Bush was funding al Qaeda and then nine to eleven happened,
Speaker 1: Like I.
Speaker 4: There's an argument to be made there, like like or
Speaker 4: that we or that we funded ISIS or the beginnings
Speaker 4: of ISIS in order to overthrow Syria, like.
Speaker 1: Like what would you say about that?
Speaker 7: I mean, it's I think that the idea that not in.
Speaker 4: Yahoo supported Hamas in order to offset the PLO is
Speaker 4: both horrific and probably very realistic.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: I I don't feel as though Net in Yahoo, you know,
Speaker 4: he has been you know, hardcore from the beginning and
Speaker 4: unfortunately where I feel as though he was falling out
Speaker 4: of favor and people were realizing what he was all about.
Speaker 4: You know, October seventh has put things firmly back in
Speaker 4: his in his court. And I I don't think I
Speaker 4: don't think that Net and ya, I don't think that
Speaker 4: October seventh was some Israeli plot. I think it was
Speaker 4: a terrorist attack created, you know, done by some very
Speaker 4: horrific people. Like if it were just about Israel, then
Speaker 4: then we wouldn't have seen Thai people a thaie man
Speaker 4: uh being beheaded with a garden hoe, right, Like Hamas
Speaker 4: are terrorists?
Speaker 5: What what net and Yah?
Speaker 7: Who has or hasn't done to contribute to that? Is
Speaker 7: another issue, and it's a big issue.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying it's not, you know, but I think
Speaker 4: that the people of Israel, you know, the kids at
Speaker 4: the Nova festival, the people in these kibbutz, is that
Speaker 4: what they're called, The in these you know towns uh
Speaker 4: did not.
Speaker 7: Deserve what they did, no more than.
Speaker 4: The average America deserves something because of our invasion of Iraq,
Speaker 4: right or the Palestinians at Gaza.
Speaker 7: I you know it or the Palestinians of Gaza.
Speaker 3: You know It's but I actually agree with you. I
Speaker 3: don't and I always saying earlier, I don't support the
Speaker 3: killing of civilians or targeting of civilians whatsoever. Don't support
Speaker 3: you know, I think it's a war crime in itself.
Speaker 3: I agree with you on that one by all means.
Speaker 3: And I also agree with you that you know, the
Speaker 3: taking the hostage of civilians is also a war crime.
Speaker 3: But in reality, you have had two hundred and forty
Speaker 3: six civilians in Israeli civilians taken hostage and seven hundred
Speaker 3: and thirty seven civilians that were killed on October seventh,
Speaker 3: not twelve hundred, because according to international law, they actually
Speaker 3: have the right to armed resistance against an occupying nation.
Speaker 3: So yeah, there's but still there's seven thirty seven.
Speaker 4: So if you put it in the context of war,
Speaker 4: out of the context of a terrorist attack, if you
Speaker 4: say that they have the right, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Like I said, the killing of civilians was definitely a
Speaker 3: terrorist attack. It was a war crime, absolutely so.
Speaker 4: But so But what I'm saying though, is that if
Speaker 4: if their attack on the military targets, and that's the thing,
Speaker 4: if Hamas were some.
Speaker 7: Opposition for US, if they were some.
Speaker 4: Guerrilla force and they had just struck military targets, they
Speaker 4: might have room to.
Speaker 7: To talk about this being a counter occupation result.
Speaker 3: But when we talked about just an organization, that doesn't second,
Speaker 3: So let's just say, ex organization that that kills civilians.
Speaker 7: Well, accept organization that targets civilians.
Speaker 4: Okay, perfect, even better because you know I mean the
Speaker 4: United States government has killed tons of like look at Hiroshima, Nagasaki.
Speaker 3: We can the lot of revilians, right, But in this
Speaker 3: conflict itself, would you say that if they target civilians
Speaker 3: or a terrorist organization, then.
Speaker 4: Well that depends are they a legitimate like are they
Speaker 4: commit Does it matter if they're a legitimate government?
Speaker 7: I mean it does, right, it does because it because.
Speaker 3: Targeting civilians doesn't matter.
Speaker 4: It matters in the context of what a power, what
Speaker 4: a state does in war. We targeted civilians. Every country
Speaker 4: has targeted civilians and to death.
Speaker 5: I mean, have have we have we like.
Speaker 7: Have have we have we raped women from.
Speaker 1: A It's kind of a ra kind of a gross
Speaker 1: comparison though, Like that's not what we're aspiring to as Americans.
Speaker 1: We're trying to be better than that. We're not trying
Speaker 1: to be like Hamas or a terrorist organization. So I
Speaker 1: don't think that what about ism of like it's okay
Speaker 1: because we did it.
Speaker 4: Is I'm not saying it's okay because we did. What
Speaker 4: I'm saying is that what is the what is the
Speaker 4: context that people are claiming? Are they claiming that it
Speaker 4: is a sovereign government that Hamas was an elected government
Speaker 4: that attacked another government, that attacked another country.
Speaker 3: Or which is a war crime, and that's I don't
Speaker 3: disagree with you on that, you know, you know, and
Speaker 3: I they should be brought to court, just like you
Speaker 3: know with your restaurants as war criminals.
Speaker 4: Every one percent, if like I haven't read about the
Speaker 4: person sodomized to death one percent, all those people should
Speaker 4: be charged with I don't even even know if that's
Speaker 4: war crimes.
Speaker 7: They should just be charged with crimes against humanity.
Speaker 4: They should be charged just like released just and that's
Speaker 4: not correct, that's not right, just as just like everybody
Speaker 4: in Hamas and all of their leadership should be targeted absolutely,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: So I'm just what I'm advocating for is the same standard,
Speaker 3: you see what I mean? Now again, if it's if
Speaker 3: it was just now what I agree with you on,
Speaker 3: that doesn't mean I don't understand. Because again, if you
Speaker 3: look at the Hamas's you know they're military, you know,
Speaker 3: or militia you know, seventy percent are orphans. I mean,
Speaker 3: who am I to speak on what kind of atrocities
Speaker 3: you know I'd be willing to do at that point?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean I don't agree.
Speaker 7: I mean, would you would you be wonder to be
Speaker 7: had a time out?
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, you have like, for example,
Speaker 3: like the Nate Turner you know rebellion where they actually
Speaker 3: killed children and women and men in a nearby town.
Speaker 3: I mean, I never was a slave, so I would
Speaker 3: never understand the horrific amount of brutality had been inflicted
Speaker 3: upon them their entire life, you know, enslaved and being
Speaker 3: sold as property and then beaten and into their life
Speaker 3: and uses cattle, you know. I mean I have no
Speaker 3: understanding of that, do I do I justify and condona
Speaker 3: absolutely not no. And That's what I'm saying is that
Speaker 3: there is going to hold a standard. Please but but
Speaker 3: but you're just clarify.
Speaker 7: You're arguing this from the point that.
Speaker 4: Gaza was an open air prison and the people that
Speaker 4: have no freedom, and therefore it is equivalent to the
Speaker 4: Nate Turner rebellions, that that even though there wasn't slavery,
Speaker 4: there was there was outright oppression of.
Speaker 3: A sort of there was suppression, yes, okay, and and
Speaker 3: there was an illegal occupation. And I don't like using
Speaker 3: the term. I mean, I don't like using the term
Speaker 3: open up prison, because that was actually signified they did
Speaker 3: something wrong. I think it was more or less a
Speaker 3: concentration camp because it wasn't they weren't just left alone.
Speaker 3: There were also there was you know, their term was
Speaker 3: mowing the grass, you know, so they would actually everything
Speaker 3: once in a while to let them know that they're
Speaker 3: in control. They would do some air strikes in there
Speaker 3: and just bombing the hell out of it. And then
Speaker 3: if you look at the look at it like I
Speaker 3: mean the French resistance itself. You know, we had the
Speaker 3: occupation and the German occupation in France, and you had
Speaker 3: the French resistance that was fighting back again. I don't
Speaker 3: agree condone whatsoever. You know, the rape, you know, the
Speaker 3: targeting of civilians themselves, I don't agree or condone that.
Speaker 3: On both sides. It doesn't matter what entity it is.
Speaker 3: You have one that's elected government, you have another that's
Speaker 3: elected government. And if one is condoning it and the
Speaker 3: other one is condoning it, they're both terrorist organizations in
Speaker 3: that sense. The only difference is is that if it
Speaker 3: was just the military resistance, if they actually targeted just
Speaker 3: like you were saying earlier, then they actually have the
Speaker 3: legal right to against that. And that's why I say
Speaker 3: there's only seven hundred and thirty seven civilians that were
Speaker 3: killed that day and not twelve hundred because the other
Speaker 3: ones were police officers and IDs soldiers. Now the targeting
Speaker 3: civilians themselves, like for example, the Nova Music Festival. The
Speaker 3: location is twenty five by five right, it's twenty five miles,
Speaker 3: the Gaza strip twenty five miles by five miles. It's
Speaker 3: one of the most secured areas in the world. Why
Speaker 3: did it take I've heard everything from six to twelve hours.
Speaker 3: Let's just take the average eight hours to respond. Why
Speaker 3: did it take that long to get people there? Where's
Speaker 3: the footage from the cameras where they have KEMP? That
Speaker 3: was one thing I also saw it like everywhere, especially
Speaker 3: like they if you go buy like any checkpoint, there
Speaker 3: are cameras stacked on top of cameras. Where's all the
Speaker 3: footage from the breakpoints? Where's all the footage from that
Speaker 3: the whole lot?
Speaker 7: So what do you what are you saying about where's
Speaker 7: the footage? I'm not quite sure.
Speaker 3: Well, we'd be able to understand a lot more what
Speaker 3: was happening during that time frame to the break in
Speaker 3: and the breakout. You know where they attacked and how
Speaker 3: they got in and out, But the response time is
Speaker 3: is my biggest question, you know, and the security cameras
Speaker 3: would show all of that. Why did it take again
Speaker 3: the average if we take the lowest, let's just take
Speaker 3: the lowest. Why did it take six hours for them
Speaker 3: to respond to these really army to respond to that.
Speaker 4: We've had people on the show that have that have
Speaker 4: like speaking with sources of ven Isuel Stept said that
Speaker 4: there was a big cluster fuck on the Israeli side.
Speaker 4: There were like contradicting orders, there were there was confusion,
Speaker 4: there was denial on some parts. But regardless of Israel's
Speaker 4: failed response, that that doesn't mean that these kids at
Speaker 4: the Nova festival were in any way, shape or form
Speaker 4: any kind of enemy combat. To be to be shot,
Speaker 4: to be mutilated, to be kidnapped, to be raped, to
Speaker 4: be tortured, Like.
Speaker 3: I agree, I mean that that is I agree, that
Speaker 3: is all.
Speaker 4: The hallmarks of a terrorist attack. To use horror in
Speaker 4: order to change somebody's political opinion.
Speaker 3: I agree, right, we agree on that. And like I said,
Speaker 3: if someone sodomizes someone to death, that's also a terrorist
Speaker 3: organization That's the only point that I'm making is like
Speaker 3: the same standard across the board. It's a mole the government.
Speaker 1: It's definitely a moral one.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. I mean they're both I mean crimes against humanity
Speaker 3: and war crimes. Absolutely. What I'm saying is that there
Speaker 3: needs to be a standard across the board. You know,
Speaker 3: just because Israel is doing it doesn't give them a
Speaker 3: pass just because there's really I mean, just because they
Speaker 3: have poor firepower and they have a full army. I
Speaker 3: guarantee you one. This is the reason why I speak
Speaker 3: out about this demosa, especially as American, and try to
Speaker 3: get other people informed on this, is that Israel would
Speaker 3: not be doing what it's doing if they didn't have
Speaker 3: our support. They would not be picking fights in Syria
Speaker 3: and Lebanon against his ballot. They would be looking for
Speaker 3: a diplomatic way out. But the thing is is that
Speaker 3: we support them, and we're funding them with our tax dollars,
Speaker 3: and we are, you know, in some way complicit with this.
Speaker 3: You know, we are our tax money it's going to
Speaker 3: that and of course you know, we don't have a
Speaker 3: choice of that.
Speaker 7: But what do you see as a diplomatic way out
Speaker 7: for Israel?
Speaker 3: Remove all the settlements, the illegal settlements. They know they're illegal.
Speaker 3: Give the Two States solutions brought us back into ninety
Speaker 3: sixty seven, Allow the families that have been exiled to return.
Speaker 3: This isn't like it's basically just undoing the things that
Speaker 3: they're doing illegally. I honestly, it's a lot more articulated
Speaker 3: and better well put than I could probably you know,
Speaker 3: you know, vocalizes is the way the ic C foot
Speaker 3: and everything that they're doing illegal can stop.
Speaker 7: So was you guys are better at history than it
Speaker 7: was in nineteen sixty seven? Was that was that the
Speaker 7: Six Day War?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 4: So, so should they return Palestine or Gaza? Because Gaza
Speaker 4: going to Egypt.
Speaker 3: At that time? Correct or? I don't think it was
Speaker 3: under the jan Jordan.
Speaker 7: So should they return Gaza to Jordan and make it
Speaker 7: part of Jordan again?
Speaker 3: The difference between under Jordan rule is that they weren't
Speaker 3: establishing settlements. They weren't kicking people and exiling people and
Speaker 3: conducting at the cleansing and so you have to have
Speaker 3: an ethnic majority in order to have a Jewish sovereignty.
Speaker 3: Jordan wasn't doing that. Jordan must you know, I'm not
Speaker 3: saying it by only means I'm not saying the monarchy
Speaker 3: there is a good thing, but I'm also saying that
Speaker 3: they weren't doing these illegal things and conducting violence on
Speaker 3: a daily basis like they're doing in the West Bank
Speaker 3: and currently in Gaza. This makes sense, sure, and the
Speaker 3: same thing in Lebanon, you know, they picking fights with
Speaker 3: Hebela Hesbola wouldn't exist, you know, if they didn't keep
Speaker 3: trying to push into let On. I think one of
Speaker 3: the things that also, like the history of Israel has
Speaker 3: to be kept in consideration, especially during nineteen forty eight,
Speaker 3: during the Nakba, when seven hundred and fifty thousand people
Speaker 3: and they were like, oh, we give them five separate
Speaker 3: peace deals, you know, and they were they rejected them all.
Speaker 3: Like well, let's take something, for example, like Mexico saying
Speaker 3: we're going to take Texas back it used to belong
Speaker 3: to us. I guarantee you that there's some people that
Speaker 3: still have like, hey, I remember this land being ours,
Speaker 3: you know, generations ago, and they kicked out everybody, and
Speaker 3: then anyone that stayed, they would lose their home. They
Speaker 3: would have to get, you know, somewhere else. They would
Speaker 3: Actually that's something to be argued, right, well, they're doing
Speaker 3: the same thing, but they were the ethnic minority at
Speaker 3: the time. There's always been Jews there. They've lived in
Speaker 3: relative harmony with the Muslims and Christians, you know, for centuries.
Speaker 3: And the Muslims aren't saying they want to eliminate them.
Speaker 3: They want to eliminate the signs. They don't want to
Speaker 3: eliminate the Jews. They can live in harmony and peace
Speaker 3: with the Jews. They did under the Oltmann Empire for
Speaker 3: centuries as well. It's just they don't want to be
Speaker 3: wiped off or you know, risk losing their business or
Speaker 3: their home, you know, because they might decide this is
Speaker 3: the time to do, you know, to eliminate them from
Speaker 3: this area and we're going to put the settlements in
Speaker 3: this area, you know. I mean. The first terrorist attack
Speaker 3: actually happened in July twenty second, nineteen forty six, where
Speaker 3: the King David Hotel was bombed, and that was by
Speaker 3: Zionist Jewish scientist part of the Stern Gang, and literally
Speaker 3: they were dressed up as Arabs. They went into the
Speaker 3: King David Hotel, blew up the south wing and killed
Speaker 3: like ninety six people injuring or ninety people and Injuring
Speaker 3: forty six. Then like you heard of I did a
Speaker 3: little peace on this, you heard of Oscar Schindler, Schindler's List,
Speaker 3: the movie The German Industrially is phenomenal man. He saved
Speaker 3: like twelve hundred people FM the Holocaust, and you hear
Speaker 3: them used in the Holocaust constantly like oh never again.
Speaker 3: You know, the Holocaust happened to our people. Zienus is
Speaker 3: a different thing. We're not people try to conflate, you know,
Speaker 3: anti semit or is can be anti Zionism with anti Semitism,
Speaker 3: which is not the case at all. Zionism is a
Speaker 3: political arityeology that was started by Theodore Hertzel in the
Speaker 3: late nineteenth century, and it literally has nothing to do
Speaker 3: with the Zionist movement that was there. Is like a
Speaker 3: colonial project. Fulke At Bernadotte was a Swedish soldier and
Speaker 3: diplomat that negotiated with with Himmler, and it was such
Speaker 3: a good negotiator. He was able to get save thirty
Speaker 3: thousand people from concentration camps in Poland and Germany. He
Speaker 3: was a phenomenal human being and a third of those
Speaker 3: were Jews. In nineteen forty eight, he got positioned as
Speaker 3: a UN as a mediator to trying to bring some
Speaker 3: type of peace, you know between you know, what was
Speaker 3: going on between the air blines that was there because
Speaker 3: there was a lot of violence.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: But if you imagine like all these people coming in
Speaker 3: saying we're going to take your land, I mean, what
Speaker 3: would you expect to happen? I mean again, it was
Speaker 3: there like oh, this East belong to us, We're taking
Speaker 3: it back. It's like Mexico coming into Texas saying we're
Speaker 3: taking this back. So he was assigned there and he
Speaker 3: was actually assassinated by the Stern Gang, and the leader
Speaker 3: of the Stern Gang was actually yet Suk Shamir. He
Speaker 3: ended up being Prime minister. Those three organizations, the Laife,
Speaker 3: the Hargana and the Urgun terrorist groups got absorbed all
Speaker 3: into the IDF. So literally those three terrorist groups are
Speaker 3: the foundation for the IDF. These are the things that
Speaker 3: you mean kind of keeping perspective on that.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think a counterpoint that could be, please, uh,
Speaker 4: that you have a culture who had just been through
Speaker 4: a legitimate genocide, like a legitimate attempted genocide, and that
Speaker 4: we're very and let's and let's be honest, name one
Speaker 4: Middle Eastern country where the Jewish community has thrived, even
Speaker 4: though at one point in time the diaspora was threat
Speaker 4: was spread throughout the entire Middle East? Like, where what
Speaker 4: country can you point to right now where the Jewish
Speaker 4: community has thrived in the Middle East?
Speaker 3: Thrived in which manner economically or grown not? There is
Speaker 3: actually a pretty large Jewish community in Tehran.
Speaker 1: In Tehran, and you know, and and so, and I mean, let's.
Speaker 3: Think about five thousand, Yeah, about seven of dogs, five thousand,
Speaker 3: five thousand Jews.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean five.
Speaker 5: Thousand is that?
Speaker 4: Yes, I would I would argue that five thousand is
Speaker 4: not necessarily thriving as a community.
Speaker 3: That's what I was trying to see, Like, what what
Speaker 3: do you mean by thriving? Though what I'm saying talking
Speaker 3: about are you talking about You're talking about in Europe?
Speaker 3: But yeah, the genocide didn't happen in the Middle East, correct,
Speaker 3: what right?
Speaker 7: But but Jews were very.
Speaker 3: Wide Palestinians paying the price for it. Though, Jews were
Speaker 3: very populous in the Middle East. So so they've always
Speaker 3: been there, but they've been the minority.
Speaker 4: Okay, fair enough, But the communities in those areas have
Speaker 4: not grown. The communities in the Middle East have not grown.
Speaker 4: So so all I'm saying is that you have this
Speaker 4: group and again I am not justifying what the Stern
Speaker 4: Gang or any of the other organizations did, but you
Speaker 4: have this post World War II group of people who
Speaker 4: had seen the legitimate, like attempted decimation of their society
Speaker 4: and they're they're given this small area that they have
Speaker 4: historically been have that they historically have roots to and
Speaker 4: have been part of since I mean the Old Testament,
Speaker 4: however old at least the Old Testament, however old that
Speaker 4: is right, and they are fighting for what they believe
Speaker 4: is an existential ah, you know, an existential dilemma, a
Speaker 4: place to exist.
Speaker 3: So and they and again I think we actually had
Speaker 3: the same agreement that they've been there for millennium. Sure
Speaker 3: we agree on that, sure means, but they weren't the
Speaker 3: majority on that. And that is where the separation of
Speaker 3: our I think we're we kind of disagree is if
Speaker 3: why didn't Germany give up half of Germany to the Jews?
Speaker 3: Germany was the one that was responsible for the Holocaust.
Speaker 3: We agree on that, right, Sure not the Palestinians. Sure
Speaker 3: Palestinians had nothing to do with that. They welcomed him
Speaker 3: after nineteen forty eight. There, excuse me, let me refrase
Speaker 3: that one real quick, after nineteen forty five. Excuse me. Sure.
Speaker 3: And that's the whole thing is that, you know, there's
Speaker 3: an argument to be made that Mexicans have been there
Speaker 3: for millennia since the Aztecs. Right, they've been there for millennia,
Speaker 3: so why can't they go back? So that's just not
Speaker 3: something that's done and sort of use like a biblical
Speaker 3: reference I think is now sorry, but it's kind of
Speaker 3: a ridiculous type point because they're like, yeah, they're in
Speaker 3: the minority. And if you look at the people are
Speaker 3: saying there's only like a I think they said like
Speaker 3: two hundred thousand Palestinians living in Palestine during nineteen forty eight. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you're right, because but if you look at the numbers
Speaker 3: from nineteen forty seven to nineteen forty six, there was
Speaker 3: like one point three million.
Speaker 4: But we're talking about Palestinians right as a country as
Speaker 4: a people where.
Speaker 7: Or Palestine doesn't exist for a long time.
Speaker 4: And we're talking about Jews, a religious both an ethnic
Speaker 4: and a religious group, right that so between Judaism the
Speaker 4: Jews are religion and a people that we're calling Palestinians
Speaker 4: who are Muslim, which didn't start until six hundred years
Speaker 4: after Christianity.
Speaker 7: Like, what is what is the blend? What's the mix there?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: What are these people that we call Palestinians in this
Speaker 4: place we call Palestine which has not existed for a
Speaker 4: very long period of time, right, it.
Speaker 7: Was years Palestine.
Speaker 3: Yes, they've had their own currency, they've had their own
Speaker 3: former government. But the thing is is that people are like,
Speaker 3: well they were in a state. Well, there's a lot
Speaker 3: of countries that weren't a state until you know, England
Speaker 3: started carving up and France started coming up and saying, Okay,
Speaker 3: these lines are going to be Iraq, these lines are
Speaker 3: going to be Lebanon. I mean, I mean, if you
Speaker 3: think about it, the Phoenicians were there before Lebanon, was
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: So when correct me if I'm wrong, was Palestine or
Speaker 4: at least guys that was was that or part of
Speaker 4: the Ottoman Empire prior to British colonialism.
Speaker 3: So the amount Empire, so that was after World War two,
Speaker 3: excuse me, excuse me, after World War One? So that
Speaker 3: was one of the things between so the Arab the
Speaker 3: the Arab tribes that were in the area. The U
Speaker 3: because psychs agreement, was then making a deal with the
Speaker 3: Arab tribes there that if they could help us defeat
Speaker 3: Allman Empire, they would be able to get their own date.
Speaker 3: And they got screwed out of that deal because they
Speaker 3: actually helped them defeat All My Empire. I mean the
Speaker 3: empire fell in like October twenty seventh, nineteen seventeen, and
Speaker 3: then Armistice Day was November eleventh, nineteen seventeen. So that
Speaker 3: was the key and pivotal moment in World War One
Speaker 3: enemy because they were losing, you know, tragically up in
Speaker 3: France and for trench warfare in France and Germany, they
Speaker 3: were getting their asses kicked. And then after they won,
Speaker 3: well they're like, well, hey, we're just going to take
Speaker 3: you over now. And that's when the British Mandate came
Speaker 3: over and they actually started occupying them in that area,
Speaker 3: and so they were like, well, what the hell are
Speaker 3: you guys doing, you know, I mean, we helped you
Speaker 3: win this, and then they renicked on the deal and
Speaker 3: they just you know, the British Mandate do we.
Speaker 1: Have for Allen. Oh, it's gonna say, sorry, Alan, there's
Speaker 1: the viewers. I'm going to see if they have any
Speaker 1: questions for you. I know we've talking for a while.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you know, providing your perspective and your experiences
Speaker 1: that you had over there, but if you want to
Speaker 1: finish your thought, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no. Yeah. So I mean that's
Speaker 3: one of the things that has to kind of keep
Speaker 3: in mind is that you know, you're absolutely right, it
Speaker 3: wasn't like an official Palestinian state, but it's to say
Speaker 3: it doesn't mean that the Palestinian people haven't lived there,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like I said, Lebanese Lebanon
Speaker 3: was created after you know, the French colonization, and the
Speaker 3: the lines that were drawn were drawn by Western empires,
Speaker 3: you know, by predominantly the unit the UK United Kingdom.
Speaker 3: So that's the thing is to be made is that
Speaker 3: you know they did have they didn't have presidents. They
Speaker 3: had must the must must feet, most must mufties. Yes, sorry,
Speaker 3: that mufties. One of the arguments that I heard before
Speaker 3: is that that the muftes were like the Grand Mufti
Speaker 3: was the one that met with aldof Hitler to suggest
Speaker 3: the final solution, and I think that was in nineteen
Speaker 3: nineteen forty two. I believe the problem with that argument
Speaker 3: is that they already started building. He met with him
Speaker 3: in November nineteen forty two, and they already started building
Speaker 3: the the concentration camps in the death ovens in Poland
Speaker 3: in June. But if you look up the Havara Agreement
Speaker 3: of nineteen thirty three between Theodore Hertzel and Ottolf Hitler's
Speaker 3: actually assigned contract between the two, he actually allowed designers
Speaker 3: to actually leave and start the colonization of Palestine between
Speaker 3: nineteen thirty three and nineteen thirty nine. I think it
Speaker 3: was like sixty zero. And there's actually a coin to
Speaker 3: commemorate that as the Star of David on one side
Speaker 3: and the swastika on the other, transiting history.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well thanks, like again, like I don't know a
Speaker 4: ton about the region, especially since you've been there to
Speaker 4: visit personally.
Speaker 7: You know, I appreciate like your inside and your input.
Speaker 3: On all that.
Speaker 7: Real quick, some questions, Joe's gotcha, thank you very much.
Speaker 4: What happened exactly with the sith slash crf are they
Speaker 4: no longer a thing or did the concept evolve into
Speaker 4: something else.
Speaker 3: So, no, they don't exist anymore. They actually they got
Speaker 3: disbanded I think in twenty nineteen, I think is when
Speaker 3: they actually got disbanded. The exact reason.
Speaker 1: Sure, to be honest with you, yeah I can, I
Speaker 1: can actually help out a little bit, Alan So I
Speaker 1: wrote actually about this is what happened was that for
Speaker 1: the first time, the Special Forces Commander, the use of
Speaker 1: SOAC commander, and the SOCOM commander, none of them were
Speaker 1: SIFF guys, and that was their opportunity to do away
Speaker 1: with the SIF. And so they put a memo forward
Speaker 1: to Christopher Miller and I can't remember if I don't
Speaker 1: think he was sec deaf at the time. I think
Speaker 1: he was at ASD Solik, and uh, he signed off
Speaker 1: on it because this is what the commanders wanted. And
Speaker 1: so at that point the the SIF lost the Jasock
Speaker 1: mission and that that doesn't exist anymore. And today they
Speaker 1: became what's called the c TAC, the Critical Threat Advisory Companies,
Speaker 1: and they still have a direct action mission, a counter
Speaker 1: w m D mission. They still have an important mission.
Speaker 1: But no, they're not the SIF anymore.
Speaker 3: Thank I just learned something new. I've been hearing different
Speaker 3: rumors here and there about it, so I'm got to
Speaker 3: breach some clarity. Appreciate that. Yeah, and who who asked
Speaker 3: that question? Uh?
Speaker 5: That was let me h, that was.
Speaker 7: Joe's gotcha.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Thanks Chos Joackon. I appreciate that
Speaker 3: I learned something today.
Speaker 4: Ryan Parsons, thank you very much. Alan is awesome and
Speaker 4: the We Defy Foundation is great.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 7: Please Uh it's WEDIFI dot org.
Speaker 3: We Defy Foundation dot org.
Speaker 4: We Defy Foundation. And that's for those who are listening.
Speaker 4: It's w E Defy d e f Y Foundation dot org.
Speaker 4: Please check them out. M Corbyn, thank you much. Have
Speaker 4: you encountered the term uh athrogenesis in fitness? It refers
Speaker 4: to our arterial smooth muscle growth and do you have
Speaker 4: any thoughts on on training methods related to it?
Speaker 3: Wow, that's actually the first time I've heard that. To
Speaker 3: be honest with you, the honestly that the same turning
Speaker 3: methods I use right now is like the off season
Speaker 3: Olympic lifting programming that I used to do. Because you
Speaker 3: can't maintain an Olympic lifting regiment for a whole year
Speaker 3: round you can only do it like a couple months
Speaker 3: ahead of time before competition because it's very specialized. But
Speaker 3: the general general programming for Olympic lifting on the off
Speaker 3: season is actually what I still use, and so that's
Speaker 3: pretty much what I've been sticking to, and a little
Speaker 3: bit of adding a little bit more volume, a little
Speaker 3: more volume to it for the endurance side.
Speaker 4: Actually Cormyn it was he re corrected it arterio genos genesis.
Speaker 4: So I guess like the creation of new arteries or
Speaker 4: at least like the branch of new vessels.
Speaker 3: Now I'll have to look into that. It sounds interesting,
Speaker 3: uh fe.
Speaker 7: Mafeitis, thank you very much, thanks for the show.
Speaker 5: Love you guys.
Speaker 4: Though I'm Malding in chat. What is maldingd like shutting like? Okay,
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Speaker 4: israel pull out of Gaza and Hamas.
Speaker 7: Takeover, as well as most of his others.
Speaker 5: Okay, that is.
Speaker 7: Do we have any questions on Patreon?
Speaker 2: I think we have one.
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Speaker 4: Are there? Is there anything else you want to plug
Speaker 4: aside from we defy anything else you're involved with it.
Speaker 7: People can get involved.
Speaker 3: In Man Coast to Coast Foundation to be one of
Speaker 3: them great organization Special Forces Foundation. Uh, I know those
Speaker 3: two guys that the guys involved in directly really legit organizations. Uh,
Speaker 3: of course Green Gray Foundation is another good one, coming
Speaker 3: off guard on that.
Speaker 1: That's okay, you think about it. We got one more questions.
Speaker 7: You have a question from Patreon.
Speaker 8: Yeah, we got one question from Sean Dudley. Do you
Speaker 8: happen to know the history of why US Special Forces
Speaker 8: units are structured the way they are? It seems like
Speaker 8: it must have been based on a very specific mission profile.
Speaker 1: Asking there.
Speaker 3: Basically, I mean, I guess assuming it's the team's broken
Speaker 3: up that way, Odie is broken up to twelve so
Speaker 3: they can split them in two. So you have the
Speaker 3: warrant officer that can go and split into one, and
Speaker 3: you have two Bravos to delta excise me two medics
Speaker 3: to como guys and split off that way. The difference
Speaker 3: is that I was actually never on a conventional team.
Speaker 3: I was always on the SIF where we had cells
Speaker 3: and a troops. So my history other than how it's
Speaker 3: broken down like a back in the Vietnam time frame
Speaker 3: where they're kind of first emerged, is lacking. And I've
Speaker 3: been hitting out a lot, so I used that as
Speaker 3: my excuse. So he.
Speaker 4: Sean Dudley, is it the first off, thanks for joining
Speaker 4: our channel, like, thanks for subscribing to the channel. And
Speaker 4: I think he says a question above for clarification troop
Speaker 4: level specialization as the size and composition teams, companies, the
Speaker 4: role of b teams, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean, of course, of course he's correct.
Speaker 1: I mean they're structured for specific to asks absolutely.
Speaker 3: So the team for support and drivers and gunners, and
Speaker 3: then you have the guys on the teams that are
Speaker 3: specific into the operators. But the thing is is that
Speaker 3: the guys on the team, like I was a Bravo,
Speaker 3: but at the same time I was also doing TQ
Speaker 3: and I was leading now, so I mean people break up,
Speaker 3: you know, have specific jobs, but also cross train into everything.
Speaker 3: I think that's one of the biggest misconceptions is that
Speaker 3: Hollywood gives offs. If that were like every Special Forces
Speaker 3: guys is like a computer hacker and knows how to
Speaker 3: fly a plane, and can you know, there's so much
Speaker 3: because we specialize in that. Like for example, in this,
Speaker 3: I mean we spent at least one week a month
Speaker 3: on the range in the shootouse on the flat range,
Speaker 3: when regular teams like were spending you know, maybe one
Speaker 3: week every three months on the range because they were
Speaker 3: like dive specialists or there were ruck teams or halo teams,
Speaker 3: so they had, you know, a lot more of the
Speaker 3: things to do than just shoot because you know, their
Speaker 3: mission was different. So it's nothing you know, better or worse,
Speaker 3: it's just what they specialized in.
Speaker 4: I just happened to see a comment that I feel
Speaker 4: like might be somebody, you know, just because it was
Speaker 4: ground and pound ninety ground and pound ninety seven, ask
Speaker 4: him if seals are better than sith.
Speaker 5: Like I feel like that somebody, man, you don't have
Speaker 5: to answer that, you.
Speaker 3: Know what, I'll ask Jocko want to see him next week.
Speaker 1: There you go, Alan, I mean, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for sharing your story with us and in your perspectives
Speaker 1: with us and everything going on to wrap up, do
Speaker 1: you want to tell us what's what's next for Alan Schabarro.
Speaker 1: You've had an interesting journey so far.
Speaker 3: Man. Honestly, like for myself, I am life is short.
Speaker 3: I want to live it to the fullest. So I
Speaker 3: am actually going to be leaving. I'm doing a five
Speaker 3: week road trip. I'm going to be teaching at the
Speaker 3: Origin Camp and Maine in a couple of weeks. And
Speaker 3: so I'm doing a road trip with a good friend
Speaker 3: of mine all the way up to Maine and back
Speaker 3: and stopping along the way so we defy affiliates and
Speaker 3: kind of teaching clinics and kind of meet the veterans
Speaker 3: that are involved. It has grown tremendously since since they
Speaker 3: started it in twenty fifteen along with Joey Bozick, and
Speaker 3: I want to meet the people that are involved. And
Speaker 3: we have so many people that I have no idea
Speaker 3: who else is involved in it. I mean we have
Speaker 3: thousands of people. Give me a chance to meet and
Speaker 3: thank a lot of the owners and the affiliates that
Speaker 3: are a part of this, and the mentors and ambassadors,
Speaker 3: and we have so many of them, and I would
Speaker 3: love to get to meet them all, but unfortunately, and
Speaker 3: we're stuck with the East Coast. When I get back,
Speaker 3: I'm literally I sold everything that I own except for
Speaker 3: my defender, and I'm just going to travel. I'm going
Speaker 3: to start Southeast Asia. Have no plan, I have no schedule.
Speaker 3: I might stay three or six months in Cambodia, then
Speaker 3: move on to Laos and Thailand, Vietnam, Indonesia, and Malaysia.
Speaker 3: I've never been to Africa, so I'm going to head
Speaker 3: over there. But I actually want to experience, you know,
Speaker 3: the place and actually get a good feel for it.
Speaker 3: So I'm not going to spend like a week or two.
Speaker 3: I'm going to spend, you know, at least a couple
Speaker 3: of months in each place.
Speaker 1: And yeah, dude, send us a post card.
Speaker 4: Well, I was going to say, I really hope you
Speaker 4: start a travel blog, like we will definitely pump you like,
Speaker 4: you know, that would be something fascinating to see you well.
Speaker 1: And he was saying he's going to take his gee
Speaker 1: and do some ju role while he's traveling around that
Speaker 1: that's that would be an interesting entry way into that topic.
Speaker 3: I think that's the best way of kind of getting
Speaker 3: to know the locals and to know like because I
Speaker 3: found jiu jitsu schools. I was just doing a random
Speaker 3: search and I actually found jiu jitsu schools in Laos
Speaker 3: and in uh in Cambodia. Of all places, you know,
Speaker 3: there's like three or four. I found the Malaysia and Doodesia.
Speaker 3: There's several in the Philippines. And so that's going to
Speaker 3: be kind of like like I said, I don't have
Speaker 3: a plan yet. Yeah, I don't have a schedule. I
Speaker 3: think that's the beauty of this whole thing is that
Speaker 3: I just want to spend as much time, you know,
Speaker 3: maybe the next four or five years just traveling around.
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna use you know, my uh my jiu
Speaker 3: jitsu as like a kind of like my diplomatic card
Speaker 3: in a sense, you know too, it's my international language.
Speaker 3: I may not speak the local language, but I can
Speaker 3: speak jiu jitsu, and so can they. And I think
Speaker 3: that's going to be what the beauty of this all
Speaker 3: is going to be. I'm not gonna be living at
Speaker 3: the RITZ by any means, you know, but that's my
Speaker 3: whole point. There is just too experience and live life.
Speaker 7: That's fantastic for sure.
Speaker 1: No, Alan, please check in with us man and I'll
Speaker 1: be interested to talk to you in a couple of
Speaker 1: years and see what the next adventure brings. And for
Speaker 1: people watching, next week, we'll be back with Chuck Simpson,
Speaker 1: a seventh Special Forces Group guy. I'm sure he has
Speaker 1: lots of stories. And again, Alan, thank you for you know,
Speaker 1: I know this was kind of like a last minute
Speaker 1: thing that sort of all came together haphazardly, and I
Speaker 1: really appreciate you making the time for it.
Speaker 3: Thank you guys. It's been a great conversation. And appreciate
Speaker 3: all the questions and actually learned some stuff as well today.
Speaker 3: So thanks guys, I really appreciate it.
Speaker 7: I really hope you do start like a travel blog
Speaker 7: like a channel.
Speaker 4: It would be great to see like all the different
Speaker 4: places you go and you know, like you say, like
Speaker 4: you just such a great way to integrate with whatever culture.
Speaker 3: With Absolutely yeah, it's a really good idea.
Speaker 1: All right, thank you everyone, and we'll see you next week.
Speaker 3: All right, Thanks guys,