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Really happy to 19 00:01:09.519 --> 00:01:13.640 see once again after like fifteen sixteen years, is Alan Shaborro. 20 00:01:14.280 --> 00:01:17.719 Alan has a background in jiu jitsu and also in 21 00:01:17.920 --> 00:01:20.480 US Special Forces, starting off in the National Guard and 22 00:01:20.519 --> 00:01:23.239 then he served in Third Special Forces group with B 23 00:01:23.280 --> 00:01:26.680 two three and then back to the National Guard, and 24 00:01:26.719 --> 00:01:29.920 then it's had a very interesting post service career as well. 25 00:01:30.040 --> 00:01:32.920 We'll talk about all of that. Alan, thanks for joining 26 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:33.439 us tonight. 27 00:01:34.159 --> 00:01:35.480 Thank you for having me appreciate it. 28 00:01:36.200 --> 00:01:38.760 So, you know, the question I kind of start off 29 00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:41.879 all of our guests on is asking about their origin story. 30 00:01:41.879 --> 00:01:43.439 If you could tell us a little bit about you know, 31 00:01:43.480 --> 00:01:46.319 what your upbringing was like, and you know, I sensed 32 00:01:46.319 --> 00:01:48.319 two of the big things in your life, jiu jitsu 33 00:01:48.519 --> 00:01:50.959 and the military. How did those things start to enter 34 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:53.680 in you know, in your childhood or early adulthood. 35 00:01:56.280 --> 00:02:00.359 Uh, really get my ass kicked all the time. See 36 00:02:00.359 --> 00:02:02.920 that actually had an effect of one of the reasons 37 00:02:02.959 --> 00:02:06.439 why I wanted to go into UH Special Forces, specifically 38 00:02:06.560 --> 00:02:10.680 just for the motto deal persively bear When I was 39 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:14.919 actually raised overseas, spent most of my time. I spent 40 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:17.439 five years in Saudi Arabia, seven years in Italy, two 41 00:02:17.520 --> 00:02:19.280 years in Austria, and five years in Germany. 42 00:02:20.240 --> 00:02:22.039 So what what branch was your dad in? 43 00:02:23.039 --> 00:02:27.719 So my father was actually an Air Force that's but 44 00:02:27.800 --> 00:02:29.840 he only spent four years in the Air Force and 45 00:02:29.879 --> 00:02:32.240 then it was a DoD civilian. Cool it was a 46 00:02:32.479 --> 00:02:37.120 Middle Eastern European naval central command controller. That's why we 47 00:02:37.120 --> 00:02:39.360 actually spend a lot more time in certain places instead 48 00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:41.680 of like the traditional three year rotations. 49 00:02:43.439 --> 00:02:47.439 Cool. So, yeah, significant experience abroad from an early age. 50 00:02:48.680 --> 00:02:52.680 And uh, and then as you become a young adult, Uh, 51 00:02:53.400 --> 00:02:55.400 where do you where do you see yourself going? You know, 52 00:02:55.479 --> 00:02:57.039 by the time you're in high school. 53 00:02:58.479 --> 00:03:04.159 Man, I was the skinny skater and turned into transitioned 54 00:03:04.159 --> 00:03:09.759 into snowboarding. I started skating probably when I was twelve 55 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:12.400 years old, and then we ended up moving to Germany, 56 00:03:12.439 --> 00:03:16.039 where there was there was either snow or rain on 57 00:03:16.039 --> 00:03:18.639 the ground like sixty seven percent of the time. So 58 00:03:19.280 --> 00:03:21.919 but we're at the base of the Zuchbitz. So I 59 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:24.439 was really fortunate to be able to live in Garmer's 60 00:03:24.479 --> 00:03:27.719 pot and kick and we're right now that you have 61 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:29.800 the air for ceel of Ice. If you ever get 62 00:03:29.800 --> 00:03:31.639 a chance, Man, it's one of the most beautiful places 63 00:03:31.719 --> 00:03:37.159 ever been. But I I was going snowboarding like every weekend, 64 00:03:37.280 --> 00:03:40.479 and so I had a real rare opportunity to be 65 00:03:40.520 --> 00:03:43.000 able to snowboard all the time. And I got into 66 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:47.240 that big time, and I kept doing that. So I 67 00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:51.240 went active duty in ninety five after graduating in ninety four, 68 00:03:52.840 --> 00:03:56.879 so I went in. I went in active duty ninety 69 00:03:56.879 --> 00:04:01.120 five and got out of few years later. Was going 70 00:04:01.159 --> 00:04:04.719 to school down at the Southwest Texas, Texas State University 71 00:04:04.759 --> 00:04:10.360 now and then I was in the reserves. I was 72 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:13.759 a drill sergeant. So I switched to MOSS from lightweight 73 00:04:13.840 --> 00:04:19.519 vehicle mechanic to Artillery thirteen Bravo and was a drill sergeant. 74 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:22.399 Did my trail time up at Fort Sill in Oklahoma, 75 00:04:23.879 --> 00:04:25.879 and uh, I was going to school at the University 76 00:04:25.920 --> 00:04:28.920 of Texas at Arlington because that was the closest school 77 00:04:28.920 --> 00:04:32.439 that I could find that was next to where I 78 00:04:32.439 --> 00:04:34.199 was training jiu jitsu. So there was only one black 79 00:04:34.199 --> 00:04:37.720 belt at the time, and that was Collas Machado in Dallas. 80 00:04:38.639 --> 00:04:41.600 So I started jiu jitsu when I was in Fort 81 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:47.319 Hood and uh, just that came my addiction. My first tournament, 82 00:04:47.319 --> 00:04:49.720 I weighed at the one hundred and forty five pounds 83 00:04:50.240 --> 00:04:52.240 one hundred and forty seven point five to be exact, 84 00:04:53.279 --> 00:04:56.319 and so I went from the skinny, scarny kid that 85 00:04:56.360 --> 00:04:59.680 always got his ass kicked, you know, to well it 86 00:04:59.720 --> 00:05:02.240 kind of I went overboard. I went up like two 87 00:05:02.360 --> 00:05:05.000 hundred and fifty something when I was you know, an 88 00:05:05.040 --> 00:05:11.079 active duty that's all. And I remember team Yeah, but uh, 89 00:05:11.439 --> 00:05:13.959 you know, kind of settled back down recently, probably the 90 00:05:14.040 --> 00:05:18.560 last ten eleven years. I've been at a constant like 91 00:05:18.680 --> 00:05:23.839 between two fifteen or two twenty five. Yeah, it's resistant. 92 00:05:23.920 --> 00:05:26.360 That's really cool. I didn't know that you had so 93 00:05:26.519 --> 00:05:31.000 much army experience before you even started getting into special operations. 94 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:34.279 I mean, you've got what a drill sergeant, all this 95 00:05:34.319 --> 00:05:36.439 stuff going on all before nine to eleven. 96 00:05:37.079 --> 00:05:43.480 Yeah, And it was actually so and that was a 97 00:05:43.519 --> 00:05:47.399 really big influence. When I grew up in Italy was 98 00:05:47.519 --> 00:05:50.519 during the early eighties and up until like eighty eight. 99 00:05:50.519 --> 00:05:53.439 Then we moved to technically it was well we moved 100 00:05:53.439 --> 00:05:55.519 there when it was West Germany actually, so before the 101 00:05:55.519 --> 00:05:59.199 wall came down and before whether there's still the Soviet Union, 102 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:01.879 and so there was a lot of World War Two 103 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:05.439 people that were alive during World War Two that remember, 104 00:06:06.040 --> 00:06:09.600 you know distinctly, you know, the American liberators, you know 105 00:06:09.680 --> 00:06:13.199 how they liberated Italy and they liberated Germany. And so 106 00:06:13.800 --> 00:06:17.519 when you're you know, you grow up in that, you know, 107 00:06:17.600 --> 00:06:20.519 you have this overwhelming sense of pride and service, you know, 108 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:24.319 because I mean I grew up literally like right across 109 00:06:24.319 --> 00:06:26.160 the street. I would watch you know, the guys in 110 00:06:26.199 --> 00:06:30.240 the bubblebee PT uniforms, you know, doing PT and you know, 111 00:06:30.360 --> 00:06:32.600 every morning, and I thought it was like the coolest 112 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:38.040 thing ever, and and it was. It was something that 113 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:40.279 always influenced me. And they moved into Germany, and hearing 114 00:06:40.319 --> 00:06:43.040 the same thing throughout all my teen years, you know, 115 00:06:43.399 --> 00:06:47.199 really stuck with me. And so when nine eleven came around, 116 00:06:47.279 --> 00:06:52.199 and that was that was like my calling and like 117 00:06:52.240 --> 00:06:55.079 I felt like that was you know, I needed to 118 00:06:55.079 --> 00:06:58.360 to kind of do what my the people previously had done, 119 00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:01.319 you know in World War Two, and serve my country 120 00:07:01.360 --> 00:07:03.720 and you know, do whatever it needed to be done 121 00:07:03.800 --> 00:07:04.720 to protect it. 122 00:07:05.839 --> 00:07:09.160 Whereabouts were you, you know, not just geographically, but where 123 00:07:09.160 --> 00:07:12.439 were you professionally at that time when nine to eleven happened. 124 00:07:13.879 --> 00:07:15.720 I was going to school at the University of Texas 125 00:07:15.720 --> 00:07:19.480 at Arlington, so I was actually a student that morning. 126 00:07:19.480 --> 00:07:23.079 I remember waking up and just turning on the TV 127 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:25.199 and the news is on. I was like, I don't 128 00:07:25.199 --> 00:07:26.720 want to watch this. I clicked to another one, and 129 00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:29.040 clicked to another one and clicked to it. Every single 130 00:07:29.120 --> 00:07:34.560 channel had the exact same thing on. And I remember 131 00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:36.680 calling the girlfriend that I had at the time. I 132 00:07:36.680 --> 00:07:39.720 was like a turn on TV and she was like 133 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:45.800 what channel? I said, any and it was it was 134 00:07:45.839 --> 00:07:49.639 definitely a day I'll never forget, you know, but and 135 00:07:49.720 --> 00:07:55.160 it was it was. I remember that day. I called 136 00:07:55.240 --> 00:07:59.839 up my reserve unit and I thought we were going 137 00:07:59.920 --> 00:08:02.199 to be doing something like, you know, going down range 138 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:06.959 and you know, maybe training dissoldiers somehow I didn't know. 139 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:11.920 And they're like, now we're gonna we're going to mobilize 140 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:15.360 you to like Fort Seoul, Oklahoma for a two year rotation. 141 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:18.839 And I was like, get the I'm not doing that shit. 142 00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:23.720 So I started like a because I just didn't re 143 00:08:23.800 --> 00:08:28.120 enlisted in the drill SARN unit in July of two 144 00:08:28.160 --> 00:08:30.959 thousand and one, and so I was doing this admin 145 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:33.960 battle to try to get out, and yah, the easiest 146 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:36.240 thing I could do was to transfer from the Reserves 147 00:08:36.279 --> 00:08:39.840 to National Guard and the Mississippi unit that was second 148 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:41.480 of the twentieth. So I was doing like an eight 149 00:08:41.519 --> 00:08:43.879 hour drive one way just to get to the unit 150 00:08:44.600 --> 00:08:49.000 do that four day pre s fas that they had 151 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:52.440 and eight hour drive back and I did that for 152 00:08:52.480 --> 00:08:55.360 like nine months, and they kept dragging it out, and 153 00:08:55.399 --> 00:09:01.320 so finally I got a selection date and start doing 154 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:05.679 all that and made it through selection, packed up everything 155 00:09:05.759 --> 00:09:08.360 and had it back out to for brag. 156 00:09:10.279 --> 00:09:13.399 Yes, so we were going through the Q course. What 157 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:16.000 two thousand and six, I believe. 158 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:22.919 Let's see selection jump. Yeah, yeah, because I started, I 159 00:09:22.960 --> 00:09:27.000 started in September. I don't know, October two thousand and 160 00:09:27.120 --> 00:09:33.960 five too, No, yeah, it was the end of it 161 00:09:34.039 --> 00:09:37.080 was some November two thousand and five and then into 162 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:37.799 two thousand and six. 163 00:09:37.879 --> 00:09:41.159 Yeah, and I remember that you were still very passionate 164 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:42.720 about jiu jitsu at the time. 165 00:09:43.639 --> 00:09:43.840 I know. 166 00:09:44.159 --> 00:09:45.840 I don't know if you remember this. You remember you 167 00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:47.960 took us up to range thirty seven one day and 168 00:09:47.960 --> 00:09:50.519 that instructor, that huge dude, just like rocked us off 169 00:09:50.519 --> 00:09:55.840 the walls. It was awesome though. 170 00:09:58.679 --> 00:10:05.159 Yeah. What was his name was it ron? 171 00:10:06.200 --> 00:10:08.240 I wish I could remember. I just remember it being 172 00:10:08.320 --> 00:10:09.360 like six foot five. 173 00:10:10.519 --> 00:10:13.519 Yeah, damn, I can't remember now, I've been hitting the 174 00:10:13.519 --> 00:10:14.159 head so many times. 175 00:10:14.200 --> 00:10:16.519 He was a nice guy, man, he went, he went, 176 00:10:16.759 --> 00:10:18.840 you know, we're in the full like Redman suit for 177 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:21.600 people out there watching this. He went, like, man, to 178 00:10:21.679 --> 00:10:24.480 man with everybody in the class, like, you know, probably 179 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:25.840 twenty guys back to back. 180 00:10:25.879 --> 00:10:31.519 It was crazy. That was good times. 181 00:10:31.559 --> 00:10:36.240 Manis so what was your experience then, like going you know, 182 00:10:36.320 --> 00:10:39.159 going through the Q course and do you have some 183 00:10:39.200 --> 00:10:42.840 sort of idea because I I sort of remember you 184 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:47.039 being in the National Guard but seriously considering going active duty. 185 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:51.480 Well, while I was actually in the Q course going 186 00:10:51.519 --> 00:10:54.519 to the gym, there was always there's some guys that 187 00:10:54.600 --> 00:10:57.679 laid out matts and they were training and doing jiu 188 00:10:57.759 --> 00:10:59.440 jitsu there, and I just kind of popped my head 189 00:10:59.440 --> 00:11:01.440 and I was like, someone's training, so let me jump 190 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:04.840 in on this. So I just went and I literally 191 00:11:04.960 --> 00:11:06.759 just got my black belt in two thousand and four, 192 00:11:07.919 --> 00:11:12.080 so being able to kind of and I mean I 193 00:11:12.120 --> 00:11:14.279 was still had that bug. I was still addicted to 194 00:11:14.320 --> 00:11:17.080 it and still wanted to like do it as much 195 00:11:17.080 --> 00:11:19.639 as I could, and so it was like a like 196 00:11:19.679 --> 00:11:21.279 a fix for me, you know, just being able to 197 00:11:21.360 --> 00:11:25.720 jump on the mats and and so I kept going 198 00:11:25.759 --> 00:11:27.840 back in the same group and then I was like, 199 00:11:27.879 --> 00:11:30.879 you know, what's unique guys with and man, it's embarrassing 200 00:11:30.919 --> 00:11:32.879 and say but they're like, oh, we're a the sif 201 00:11:32.960 --> 00:11:38.039 I was like Centro shot. So it's like, man, you 202 00:11:38.039 --> 00:11:39.919 guys are like pogues. 203 00:11:39.679 --> 00:11:41.960 Or what pretty jacked for a bunch of pogues. 204 00:11:43.840 --> 00:11:46.960 And then uh, I mean the next time I saw him, 205 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:48.960 I had to ask. I was like, you guys, said Siff, right, 206 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:52.120 and you're like yeah, Like but you guys are you 207 00:11:52.159 --> 00:11:55.159 guys support the like? And they started laughing like no, siffs, 208 00:11:55.200 --> 00:12:01.679 commanders and extremists force. I was like, I didn't know, man, 209 00:12:02.919 --> 00:12:05.559 but uh, you know, after like I'd meet up with 210 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:09.360 them all the time and uh and eventually they they 211 00:12:09.399 --> 00:12:11.279 were like, hey, man, why don't you you know, we 212 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:12.960 can get you a meeting with the SAR major and 213 00:12:13.039 --> 00:12:15.720 you know, we need a combatives instructor. So that was 214 00:12:15.759 --> 00:12:17.440 actually the reason why I was able to get to 215 00:12:17.440 --> 00:12:20.720 B two three straight out of the Q course and 216 00:12:20.759 --> 00:12:22.559 I went back to my National Guard unit and I 217 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:24.519 was like, hey, guys, you know, I'm popping smoke and like, 218 00:12:24.519 --> 00:12:27.320 what do you mean I'm going active, I'm not staying here, 219 00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:30.679 And they're like, oh, they're going to promise you all this, 220 00:12:30.799 --> 00:12:33.320 and they're gonna promise you schools and safardig and deployments 221 00:12:33.320 --> 00:12:36.600 and everything, and I was like, yeah, they did, I'm 222 00:12:36.600 --> 00:12:39.279 never going to give it to you. Okay, well I'll 223 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:41.840 take my chances. So I signed out of that unit 224 00:12:41.879 --> 00:12:45.440 and signed me out. I went, I went back and 225 00:12:45.879 --> 00:12:48.759 signed in a group a couple days later, signed up Italian. 226 00:12:49.279 --> 00:12:50.840 A few days after that, man I was on a 227 00:12:50.879 --> 00:12:54.320 flight meeting my team down range, and so it was 228 00:12:54.360 --> 00:12:55.399 a it was a quick move. 229 00:12:56.120 --> 00:12:59.440 Do you want to tell tell folks out there who're watching, 230 00:12:59.600 --> 00:13:00.759 like what the SIF was? 231 00:13:01.720 --> 00:13:01.919 Who? 232 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:03.159 Maybe they don't know either. 233 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:08.399 So the commanders in Extremist Force was basically every group 234 00:13:08.480 --> 00:13:13.399 has one company that's that's sole purpose. So mission is 235 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:18.639 the hostage rescue, direct action, counterters from, and counterinsurgency. So 236 00:13:19.480 --> 00:13:21.399 while the rest of the third group was going Afghanistan, 237 00:13:21.440 --> 00:13:24.039 we're actually going. All my rotations were in Iraq and 238 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:26.879 I never got to go to Afghanistan. The fifth group 239 00:13:26.919 --> 00:13:29.799 and third group stood up the i CTF and the 240 00:13:29.799 --> 00:13:33.879 commanders in Iraq and we're pretty much doing the fit 241 00:13:33.919 --> 00:13:38.240 mission there. But then we started which turned it on 242 00:13:38.399 --> 00:13:40.559 so well, and they had so much experience that we 243 00:13:40.559 --> 00:13:45.919 were doing missions alongside with them. But this is when 244 00:13:46.200 --> 00:13:48.480 when it was like really popping off, and you know, 245 00:13:49.120 --> 00:13:52.639 you know, two thousand and five six and seven was 246 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:55.919 was really really rough in two thousand and eight. It 247 00:13:56.039 --> 00:13:58.200 started kind of simmer down a lot in two thousand 248 00:13:58.240 --> 00:14:00.919 and nine. Yeah, there wasn't really much going on then. 249 00:14:01.080 --> 00:14:02.480 I mean a lot of rs changed. 250 00:14:02.840 --> 00:14:05.399 So take us back to you know, I'm just interested 251 00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:07.759 to ask, you know what that experience was like as 252 00:14:07.799 --> 00:14:09.960 a new guy jumping right into B two three and 253 00:14:10.039 --> 00:14:11.879 you know, drinking from a fire hose. I mean, what 254 00:14:12.120 --> 00:14:12.840 was that like for you? 255 00:14:15.559 --> 00:14:20.159 Man? It was crazy? So the thing was is that 256 00:14:20.279 --> 00:14:24.360 I was my technically my first team song was Johnny 257 00:14:24.360 --> 00:14:31.919 Crocker and he, uh, but I got with excuse me 258 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:36.919 not John Jeff Mountain. My second was Johnny Crocker, and 259 00:14:38.519 --> 00:14:42.720 I got assigned to five six. The on the snipes 260 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:47.279 Walker Booth was actually my senior, So I really couldn't 261 00:14:47.320 --> 00:14:53.879 have gotten about a mentor. And and uh, I volunteered 262 00:14:53.919 --> 00:14:57.639 for for any position. Anytime I could go out, I 263 00:14:58.039 --> 00:15:02.360 went in. Uh. I was a driver, I was a gunner. 264 00:15:03.120 --> 00:15:07.799 I carried special equipment, you know, ladders. Uh. It just 265 00:15:08.200 --> 00:15:12.080 it was my first deployment, so I didn't uh anything 266 00:15:12.080 --> 00:15:15.000 that I could get on. I volunteered for, you know whatever. 267 00:15:15.039 --> 00:15:20.240 It was just so I can get experience. It was 268 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:25.559 a whirlwind, to be honest with you, because I got there. Man, 269 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:31.559 I remember getting there, and I had met justin Munchkey. 270 00:15:32.480 --> 00:15:36.240 He was actually from Denton, like you know, close areas, 271 00:15:36.279 --> 00:15:39.519 so i'd met him there and we talked for a 272 00:15:39.559 --> 00:15:43.600 little bit, and and the reality you know, of how 273 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:45.639 rough it was getting, you know, set in when they 274 00:15:45.639 --> 00:15:48.559 pulled him off the chopper and they brought him in 275 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:51.559 after he was killed. It was it was a I 276 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:54.879 mean really high highs and really low lows at the 277 00:15:54.919 --> 00:15:57.679 same time. It's such a condensed time for him because 278 00:15:58.279 --> 00:16:01.000 there was a team going out every single night, you know, 279 00:16:01.120 --> 00:16:04.080 So I was getting I was getting a lot of 280 00:16:04.120 --> 00:16:05.320 experience really fast. 281 00:16:05.399 --> 00:16:08.799 Yeah. Yeah, I mean you you jumped right into it. 282 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:11.559 As you said, the war was really pumping at that time. 283 00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:16.600 Soccer city so B two three and A one to 284 00:16:16.720 --> 00:16:19.279 five are kind of switching on and off, rotating in 285 00:16:19.320 --> 00:16:24.039 and out, and so I mean, if you can, could 286 00:16:24.039 --> 00:16:26.600 you go into like some more detail about what the 287 00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:28.159 experience was for you in Iraq? 288 00:16:31.480 --> 00:16:35.000 It actually there was sometimes where I think some of 289 00:16:35.039 --> 00:16:37.440 the the I mean just because I was so new, 290 00:16:38.960 --> 00:16:40.799 I wasn't sure like what to expect and how to 291 00:16:40.840 --> 00:16:44.399 expect it. You know when to be all riled up 292 00:16:44.440 --> 00:16:46.360 and you know when to be calm, and you know 293 00:16:46.480 --> 00:16:48.639 kind of realize it looked around, you know, after a 294 00:16:48.679 --> 00:16:52.320 few times and realized, yeah, we get on target road. 295 00:16:52.360 --> 00:16:54.600 And there was sometimes I actually were getting pinged on 296 00:16:54.639 --> 00:16:57.080 the vehicles and there's still guys asleep, you know, they're 297 00:16:57.320 --> 00:17:00.480 so used to it, and it's like, man, this is 298 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:05.440 kind of crazy. But one distinct moment I remember was 299 00:17:07.599 --> 00:17:10.279 Talladagan Knights was kind of like the the big movie, 300 00:17:10.440 --> 00:17:16.720 you know that on deployment, and I remember I was 301 00:17:16.759 --> 00:17:19.000 going in. This was one of my first few times 302 00:17:19.039 --> 00:17:21.799 I was front security on the outside of the perimeter 303 00:17:21.839 --> 00:17:25.720 of the house that we were taking and we had 304 00:17:26.480 --> 00:17:28.400 we had taken a couple of pot shots on Target road. 305 00:17:29.960 --> 00:17:32.319 Didn't really hit anything distinctly. I think maybe the tail 306 00:17:32.359 --> 00:17:35.200 end of the vehicle. But I remember stepping out of 307 00:17:35.240 --> 00:17:38.119 the vehicle and up taking like two three steps, and 308 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:41.160 like ten inches from my foot there was a like 309 00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:43.519 a spark. You could hear that crack of the you know, 310 00:17:44.759 --> 00:17:48.799 I mean that close, and then another one like right overhead. 311 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:51.000 You could I mean that the crack of the whip. 312 00:17:51.039 --> 00:17:54.480 You know, you could hear it, and man, I just 313 00:17:55.160 --> 00:17:58.160 I just froze. It was just like what felt like 314 00:17:58.160 --> 00:18:02.279 an eternity and a whole a sudden. My mind's raising, 315 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:03.960 you know, Do I do I follow the team back 316 00:18:04.000 --> 00:18:05.960 in to return fire. Do I, you know, find out 317 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:09.720 where that shot came from and neutralize it? Do I? 318 00:18:09.720 --> 00:18:13.000 I mean so many thoughts in like a split second. 319 00:18:13.680 --> 00:18:19.400 And then I remember h Walker running by and he 320 00:18:19.799 --> 00:18:21.839 shoot at one of the windows and he's just like, 321 00:18:21.880 --> 00:18:23.920 I'm gonna come at you like a spider monkey boy, 322 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:29.039 and Todd Ventleke comes right by him. He's like, shake 323 00:18:29.039 --> 00:18:32.839 a bake, motherfucker's shake a bake. I was like, all 324 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:36.960 of a sudden, like for some reason that that particular 325 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:40.519 moment broke was broke the ice entirely for the rest 326 00:18:40.519 --> 00:18:43.000 of the time, like any other commet situation I was in, 327 00:18:43.839 --> 00:18:46.279 And it was just one of those things where you know, 328 00:18:47.359 --> 00:18:49.680 these guys are fucking cracking jokes, you know, middle of 329 00:18:49.720 --> 00:18:52.839 a firefight, and I mean snapped to it, you know, 330 00:18:52.920 --> 00:18:55.640 and everything just kind of like it went from like 331 00:18:55.759 --> 00:18:59.039 slow motion back to you know speed and you know, 332 00:18:59.119 --> 00:19:01.759 regular speed and just kept going and everything just made 333 00:19:01.759 --> 00:19:05.759 sense after that. So I mean I would think that 334 00:19:05.839 --> 00:19:09.279 was like the like second or third time I was out, 335 00:19:09.599 --> 00:19:13.079 and it was just but it provided so much clarity, 336 00:19:13.119 --> 00:19:15.359 and I'm really glad I had the experience like so 337 00:19:15.440 --> 00:19:15.880 early on. 338 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:20.799 It sounds like from what you were describing that, like 339 00:19:20.839 --> 00:19:23.160 you said it was you lived a lot of life 340 00:19:23.240 --> 00:19:25.480 on like a very condensed time frame as far as 341 00:19:25.519 --> 00:19:28.680 the like highs and lows. How many rotations did you 342 00:19:28.720 --> 00:19:33.880 do over to Iraq two thousand and seven, eight and nine, Okay, okay. 343 00:19:33.640 --> 00:19:35.400 So yeah, one a year and were there was like 344 00:19:35.480 --> 00:19:37.559 six month six month rotations? 345 00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:41.119 No? No, No, My longest one was like just under 346 00:19:41.119 --> 00:19:43.799 five months. This just only will go out for about 347 00:19:43.799 --> 00:19:46.880 four or four and a half months at most. That 348 00:19:46.920 --> 00:19:49.440 first one was about two and a half months because 349 00:19:49.440 --> 00:19:54.200 I got there almost in mid rotation, and then right 350 00:19:54.200 --> 00:19:56.559 after that I did and I wasn't even so far 351 00:19:56.599 --> 00:19:58.759 to qualified, So I mean I literally just I got 352 00:19:58.759 --> 00:20:00.559 done with the Q course and then din with the 353 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:03.640 SITH and then UH as soon as I got back 354 00:20:03.680 --> 00:20:08.359 and you know, got through Sephardic, and then I got 355 00:20:08.359 --> 00:20:11.759 assigned to a team and I was with five to 356 00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:16.319 two UH or three to two two two. There was 357 00:20:16.359 --> 00:20:18.720 still there was the transition of the three digit to 358 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:22.759 the four digit that that year. So and then uh 359 00:20:22.920 --> 00:20:26.480 in two thousand and nine, after my third deployment is 360 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:29.079 actually when I went to SODAIC. After my third deployment, 361 00:20:29.160 --> 00:20:33.359 so had two rotations SAPHARDA qualified but only but not 362 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:35.200 of rotations, Uh, soda qualified. 363 00:20:35.440 --> 00:20:38.359 That's pretty cool. And again, for like the public out 364 00:20:38.359 --> 00:20:40.680 there confused by these acronyms, could you tell them a 365 00:20:40.720 --> 00:20:42.440 little bit about Sephardic and sodic. 366 00:20:43.720 --> 00:20:49.240 So SEPHARDIK is eight week assaulters course, everything like specializing 367 00:20:49.279 --> 00:20:55.119 in urban like CQB close quarters close quarters battle and 368 00:20:55.200 --> 00:21:00.240 it's basically like, uh, then that excuse me. That SODA 369 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:03.920 is a Special Operations Targeting Interdiction course, which is the 370 00:21:04.279 --> 00:21:09.400 tier one UH sniper sniper course. And I think that 371 00:21:09.839 --> 00:21:12.759 was talk about that today. I think it was two 372 00:21:12.759 --> 00:21:15.400 thousand and nine they changed it to Special Forces Sniper Course. 373 00:21:15.519 --> 00:21:22.920 Yeah. So the second deployment you were Sephardi qualified guy 374 00:21:23.039 --> 00:21:24.799 on a team was that back to Baghdad? 375 00:21:26.680 --> 00:21:31.440 So citation We actually were into CURT doing missions out 376 00:21:31.440 --> 00:21:38.200 at the CRIT into Taji and then there was a 377 00:21:38.440 --> 00:21:43.000 insurgent rus in Missoul, So we literally packed up everything 378 00:21:43.000 --> 00:21:45.880 and kind of like a mid deployment deployment, you know, 379 00:21:45.880 --> 00:21:48.519 packed up all conicses and everything and headed up to Missoul. 380 00:21:48.599 --> 00:21:51.960 So we finished out in Missoul and then then uh 381 00:21:51.799 --> 00:21:53.759 oh nine was was back at Baghdad. 382 00:21:54.079 --> 00:21:58.039 Okay, I mean, I'd be interested to hear about the 383 00:21:58.079 --> 00:22:02.160 experience in Missoul. I was there in five and then 384 00:22:02.200 --> 00:22:04.559 again in O nine. I'd just be interested to hear 385 00:22:04.599 --> 00:22:07.119 about what your experience was like in that in between time. 386 00:22:09.759 --> 00:22:14.160 So there was and I remember coming back, you know 387 00:22:14.200 --> 00:22:17.960 that that entrance of Serpentine entrance the to go back 388 00:22:18.599 --> 00:22:21.400 had it that early. Yeah, yeah, in the very front 389 00:22:21.480 --> 00:22:24.000 of the h And there was actually a v bid 390 00:22:24.039 --> 00:22:27.079 when we actually came came back, and so it was 391 00:22:27.160 --> 00:22:31.640 pretty pretty active in attacks, but we primarily did UH. 392 00:22:31.759 --> 00:22:33.440 That's when we started switching out the call outs a 393 00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:39.759 lot and UH and if there was any type of 394 00:22:41.359 --> 00:22:44.599 like for example, we had UH we were doing one 395 00:22:44.680 --> 00:22:47.559 and it was a really rural area but it was 396 00:22:47.599 --> 00:22:50.240 almost like a compound and one of our guys got 397 00:22:50.319 --> 00:22:52.680 hit with a grenade and everyone just said, you know what, 398 00:22:52.759 --> 00:22:56.119 we can't see ship, you know, with our even with 399 00:22:56.160 --> 00:22:58.039 our nods on, because it was like no ambient light 400 00:22:58.480 --> 00:23:02.160 and it was really that dark, and we just called 401 00:23:02.160 --> 00:23:07.359 in and you know, just leveled the place with double 402 00:23:07.359 --> 00:23:12.119 barrack health fires. There wasn't actually anyone else in there. 403 00:23:12.279 --> 00:23:16.079 It was literally just a two that had come out. 404 00:23:16.559 --> 00:23:20.400 But I mean it was I think that was probably 405 00:23:20.400 --> 00:23:23.559 one of the the scariest moments, just because you know, 406 00:23:23.599 --> 00:23:26.960 they advantage that we have is with you know, night vision, 407 00:23:27.319 --> 00:23:30.440 you know, so you know, when that's stripped away and 408 00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:33.680 don't have any of that, and you know, we kind 409 00:23:33.680 --> 00:23:38.559 of like left in the dark literally. But yeah, the 410 00:23:39.079 --> 00:23:43.279 most of them were call outs. There was a need 411 00:23:43.319 --> 00:23:46.519 for you know, gathering intel rather than you know just 412 00:23:46.640 --> 00:23:50.279 smoking everybody, and that paid off in the long run 413 00:23:50.319 --> 00:23:53.480 because we got who we needed and you know, able 414 00:23:53.519 --> 00:23:57.519 to you know, separate the people that really that could 415 00:23:57.519 --> 00:24:01.000 provide good intel and then let everyone else go, you know, 416 00:24:01.039 --> 00:24:04.240 so it wasn't a necessity to uh go in and 417 00:24:04.319 --> 00:24:07.039 just you know kill randomly or at all period. So 418 00:24:08.079 --> 00:24:14.240 it was mainly a probably about ninety percent callouts. Very 419 00:24:14.240 --> 00:24:16.759 few firefights on that one, just because everything went so well, 420 00:24:17.079 --> 00:24:19.960 uh speed surprise VIDs to action, and I think a 421 00:24:19.960 --> 00:24:21.559 lot of people don't understand it. If you get in 422 00:24:21.559 --> 00:24:23.559 a firefight, it's not a good thing. You know, that 423 00:24:23.680 --> 00:24:27.640 usually means that something went really fucking wrong. You know. 424 00:24:27.880 --> 00:24:29.599 The nights that went well is you know when we 425 00:24:29.680 --> 00:24:33.160 got who we needed a target and brought them back 426 00:24:33.160 --> 00:24:35.359 and you know, gathered and tell to build onto the 427 00:24:35.400 --> 00:24:35.720 next one. 428 00:24:35.960 --> 00:24:38.160 Yeah, when you shake them out of their bed fastest lee. 429 00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:39.720 Yeah. Absolutely. 430 00:24:40.839 --> 00:24:45.400 So your your cruising right along in your Special Forces 431 00:24:45.440 --> 00:24:47.519 career going to SODIC. And then I take it you 432 00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:48.759 were on the sniper troope. 433 00:24:50.079 --> 00:24:54.039 No, actually, uh so I got back in on nine 434 00:24:54.039 --> 00:24:56.480 and then I went to SODIC. I had re enlisted 435 00:24:56.480 --> 00:24:59.480 actually just before I deployed it on nine and I 436 00:24:59.480 --> 00:25:03.920 got back and uh so this was like the the 437 00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:07.680 bonuses were maybe the one hundred and fifty thousand, you know, 438 00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:12.119 but I had a five year reenlistment and it was 439 00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:16.359 like a thirty seven thousand dollars bonus, and uh so, well, 440 00:25:16.440 --> 00:25:18.240 ma in soda, it's supposed to be hitting my account 441 00:25:18.279 --> 00:25:21.680 sometime soon. And man, he came waiting the next week 442 00:25:21.720 --> 00:25:23.240 and the next week, and so I was like, you know, 443 00:25:23.599 --> 00:25:25.160 we just go back to relist in my office and 444 00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:30.680 see what's going on. So I went back and I 445 00:25:30.759 --> 00:25:33.119 was like, uh, what happened to my bonus, you know, 446 00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:37.839 like reenlisted and he's like, I'm pup your file and 447 00:25:39.559 --> 00:25:43.119 oh yeah, we needed to get a signature for FUM commander. 448 00:25:44.480 --> 00:25:48.079 It was like it's literally walking distance. Why couldn't you 449 00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:50.559 go get that? Like, oh well you can still reenlist, 450 00:25:50.559 --> 00:25:51.680 but you can't get the bonus now. 451 00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:53.079 Oh my god. 452 00:25:53.400 --> 00:25:58.799 I was like, uh, I was absolutely livid and man, 453 00:25:59.039 --> 00:26:02.759 and the way that the things were going, you know, 454 00:26:02.839 --> 00:26:05.279 to be honest with you, I wasn't, you know, especially 455 00:26:05.319 --> 00:26:08.519 like a O nine, I wasn't feeling like the things 456 00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:11.839 we're doing, we're too right. I started questioning a lot 457 00:26:11.839 --> 00:26:15.599 of things, and you know, with that happened, I guess 458 00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:18.440 I was like, you know what, I'm done with this now. 459 00:26:19.359 --> 00:26:22.759 So we had a I mean, there was a lot 460 00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:24.440 of things. There was, you know, a couple of things 461 00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:28.319 in particular that happened one and A eight you know 462 00:26:28.440 --> 00:26:31.519 nine when we weren't even we were actually just following 463 00:26:31.680 --> 00:26:33.839 ictf in and then stopping at the you know and 464 00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:38.119 the outskirts of it and you know, support and advice 465 00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:44.640 pretty much that was our mission set. But and if 466 00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:51.480 they needed support for like SEC but and it was 467 00:26:53.920 --> 00:26:56.000 started really kind of thinking hard about what was going 468 00:26:56.039 --> 00:27:00.519 on there, and uh, you know, I didn't feel right, 469 00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:04.799 you know, going back in and especially deploying with the 470 00:27:04.880 --> 00:27:05.599 doubts that I had. 471 00:27:06.799 --> 00:27:09.920 Well, can you say doubts you mean about like tactically 472 00:27:10.039 --> 00:27:13.079 what you were personally doing or more like strategically the 473 00:27:13.160 --> 00:27:14.400 direction the war was going in. 474 00:27:16.039 --> 00:27:19.480 Yeah, Well, when I went there, Man, that's the thing, 475 00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:21.880 man is you know, I'm not trying to sound arrogant, 476 00:27:21.880 --> 00:27:26.640 but I was really good at my job. And I 477 00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:28.640 think that was one of the things that I've wrestled 478 00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:30.839 with the most, is that, you know, I was really 479 00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:34.200 good at my job, but you know, we shouldn't have 480 00:27:34.279 --> 00:27:38.680 been there. I struggled with that a lot, and I 481 00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:40.799 kept it to myself and kind of like you know what, 482 00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:45.279 you know, don't say anything. And you know, because growing 483 00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:48.519 up like I did in in Europe and hearing you know, 484 00:27:48.759 --> 00:27:51.119 being the liberators and being you know, the good guys, 485 00:27:51.200 --> 00:27:53.240 you know, just war and you know, we're standing for 486 00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:56.559 the right and we're you know, freeing to oppressed. I 487 00:27:56.640 --> 00:28:01.000 started thinking to myself like, man, if somebody came into 488 00:28:01.039 --> 00:28:02.839 my country who was doing the exact same thing, I'd 489 00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:05.599 be doing exactly what they were doing. But I was 490 00:28:05.680 --> 00:28:07.799 like no, you know, I kept it to myself and 491 00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:11.640 just kind of struggle, you know, internally, until like later 492 00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:15.000 on we started you know, maybe there's like a big 493 00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:20.200 surprise at the end. You know, Afghanistan, same thing, and man, 494 00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:25.960 nothing came out of it. And I mean I still 495 00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:27.920 I firmly believe that we shouldn't have been there. 496 00:28:30.039 --> 00:28:32.440 Yeah, I mean I get it. You tell yourself that 497 00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:34.880 you know, there's going to be some sort of democracy 498 00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:37.240 established in this country, things are going to get better 499 00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:40.200 for the people that live there. And then you know, 500 00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:43.920 in Iraq especially, we saw what actually happened there after 501 00:28:44.039 --> 00:28:46.480 we pulled out and ISIS came to town. It was 502 00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:49.680 like worst case scenario. And I'm sure the Afghanistan veterans 503 00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:52.039 feel exactly the same way about what they went through. 504 00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:58.839 I mean, the primary mission in Afghanistan was to take 505 00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:01.359 the Talban out right, and then they ended up being 506 00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:05.960 the official government. I mean we had you know, thousands 507 00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:10.480 of US lives lost, you know, tens of thousands of 508 00:29:10.599 --> 00:29:13.240 Ghanty civilians you know that were get caught in there, 509 00:29:13.400 --> 00:29:16.519 you know that lost their lives, billions of dollars you know, 510 00:29:17.000 --> 00:29:20.519 wasted onto that, and the same thing in Iraq, I mean, 511 00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:25.960 I just I ask every veteran that's been in either 512 00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:28.160 one of them, you know, what did we do? And 513 00:29:29.960 --> 00:29:32.880 and uh, I just I don't think we should have 514 00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:35.519 been there at all. I stand firm on that. You know, 515 00:29:35.599 --> 00:29:37.960 I'm not trying to by aly means. You know, I 516 00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:40.720 love my country, and yeah, no, I did what I 517 00:29:40.839 --> 00:29:44.039 was asked to do, but I firmly believe we should 518 00:29:44.119 --> 00:29:44.759 not have been there. 519 00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:49.079 But it was after that incident with the Enlistment Office, 520 00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:50.559 you did one more pump over. 521 00:29:50.440 --> 00:29:51.839 There or was that? No? 522 00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:52.720 That was it? 523 00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:56.720 That was like toward the I literally was, let's see, 524 00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:01.079 probably about nine months out from terminal leaf, okay, and 525 00:30:01.200 --> 00:30:04.680 then got out and twenty ten I opened up the school. 526 00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:08.440 I did two years in the National Guard just because 527 00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:12.400 it was local, and but man, that was so I 528 00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:15.839 got to the National Guard unit and I so I 529 00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:21.079 was in the SITH three rotations and this is when 530 00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:28.160 they were working with border patrol and doing like is 531 00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:32.559 it the counter drug operations? And I was like, yeah, 532 00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:34.599 I get involved with that. That's that's something I can do. 533 00:30:35.960 --> 00:30:37.680 And then they're like, yeah, we're going to have you 534 00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:41.119 take over the or you be on the ASAT team. 535 00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:41.519 I was like. 536 00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:47.599 I don't have broken axle, I never have any experience 537 00:30:47.640 --> 00:30:51.000 in that, and you like, okay, we'll find something for you. 538 00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:53.519 So a few months later they come in, they're like, okay, 539 00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:58.599 you're going to take over the dive team like bro, 540 00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:03.039 like you guys guys have people that are dive qualified. 541 00:31:03.079 --> 00:31:05.359 Like yeah, like dude, I'm not dive qualified. That means 542 00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:06.640 that you want me to take over a team and 543 00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:08.480 be a team star. And you know with guys already 544 00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:10.240 have experience, have been through the school, and I don't. 545 00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:13.119 I mean I was in a sif put me on 546 00:31:13.359 --> 00:31:16.000 like you know, an assaulters you know team or something, 547 00:31:17.279 --> 00:31:19.519 and uh They're like, well that's full, that's fool. That 548 00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:22.240 was like for the cool guys, I guess so man, 549 00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:25.880 I just I had enough of that and I wasn't 550 00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:27.920 really too keen on the mentality that they had there. 551 00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:31.400 And there were some good guys that, don't get me wrong, 552 00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:35.319 but a lot of the times that I mean, the 553 00:31:35.400 --> 00:31:37.400 mission is what what kind of attracted me there? But 554 00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:40.480 I mean I told him I just opened up a 555 00:31:40.519 --> 00:31:42.759 business that I can't leave for for that long, and 556 00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:46.240 I mean I already completed ANOX so that wasn't going 557 00:31:46.319 --> 00:31:48.519 to be an issue. But to go to pre scuba, 558 00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:50.839 you know then and I would have been like two 559 00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:53.920 weeks and then go to dive school. I mean i'd 560 00:31:53.960 --> 00:31:56.240 have to. I just opened up a school. I have 561 00:31:56.359 --> 00:31:58.559 to be there, you know. And this was literally like 562 00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:01.680 everything I'd saved from all my deployments, you know, I 563 00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:03.720 put into the school. I couldn't I couldn't leave. 564 00:32:03.759 --> 00:32:07.440 That tell us a little bit about that school. I 565 00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:09.319 mean it was a school in a gym. I mean, 566 00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:10.640 what what what did you have going on? 567 00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:15.000 So initially opened it up. This is after being kind 568 00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:18.480 of silent for like seven years while I was gone, 569 00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:22.519 so people knew me from before I left, but after 570 00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:24.680 I left, I mean I was living in North Carolina, 571 00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:26.799 so it was like a whole new generation of of 572 00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:30.000 from white belts to pretty much black belts. I really 573 00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:33.720 didn't know who I was. So I called I opened 574 00:32:33.799 --> 00:32:38.680 up my gym called Tier One Training Facility, and man, 575 00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:41.680 I'll be honest, it was. It was a massive struggle 576 00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:44.160 at first because I was new to doing business. I 577 00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:46.880 was literally reading books, you know, small Business for Dummies. 578 00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:53.880 And the break that I had because I had, like, man, 579 00:32:53.920 --> 00:32:55.759 I'm month to month I was bringing in like three 580 00:32:55.839 --> 00:32:57.319 or four students because I had to open up in 581 00:32:57.319 --> 00:33:02.640 an industrial area. Did I have that many people? And uh? 582 00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:04.240 I was like, man, how I'm gonna make this work? 583 00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:05.880 You know, I mean I'm in a legit black belt 584 00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:12.119 and I had there was like an mm A forum 585 00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:16.839 and uh, because I was checking the analytics like every day, 586 00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:19.160 like you know, to have any hits on my website 587 00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:24.440 is everyone looked, you know, and I had like maybe 588 00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:27.240 three four hits a day. It was horrible. And then 589 00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:29.480 all of a sudden, you know, someone says, hey, man, 590 00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:33.519 you know there's on an MMA forum. There's someone that's 591 00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:36.759 talking about you. And the title of the thread was 592 00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:43.839 Special Forces Navy Seal Ranger opens up, you know, self 593 00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:47.519 proclaimed black belt and there's like four pages just people 594 00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:52.599 just talking shit, just constantly. And I was like, and 595 00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:54.559 I talked to him like what is this? You know, 596 00:33:54.640 --> 00:33:57.559 who's who's saying all this? Because there's no names on there, 597 00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:02.960 it's just pseudonyms and and man, I was about to 598 00:34:03.039 --> 00:34:06.240 jump on there and just start ripping them. But I 599 00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:08.280 looked at my analytics. Man, I had like twenty four 600 00:34:08.440 --> 00:34:12.559 thousand hits. You know, I was like, oh, back up, 601 00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:16.559 back up, can't do anything. Go and keep going, keep going. 602 00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:20.599 That was my big break, man. It's literally someone talking 603 00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:24.760 shit about me. And because at the end of like 604 00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:28.639 it was like four four pages worth and and someone 605 00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:31.199 had been you know, because the guy who apparently trained 606 00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:33.559 at Carlos Machado school, which is where I got my 607 00:34:33.639 --> 00:34:36.480 black belt, and they're like, hey, man, go into the 608 00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:40.440 changing room. There's this big, old framed like green beret, 609 00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:43.400 you know, with a picture of him and Carlos Machado. 610 00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:45.159 What he you know, and he got his black belt 611 00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:49.119 from Carlos, you know. So he's absolutely jit and a 612 00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:53.159 thread list ended. I was like, oh damn it, you know. 613 00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:57.639 But it came to abrupt end and you know, people 614 00:34:57.679 --> 00:34:59.800 started coming in. I started, you know, getting some of 615 00:34:59.880 --> 00:35:04.360 my and man, it was it was a really really 616 00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:07.000 nervous rough start. I'm be honest with you. I had 617 00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:07.840 a lot of anxiety. 618 00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:08.039 Man. 619 00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:12.320 Who were the were they mostly like beginners, you know, 620 00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:14.119 brand new white belts that were coming in. 621 00:35:15.079 --> 00:35:18.199 Oh white belts. Man. That So the thing was is 622 00:35:18.239 --> 00:35:21.159 that I still had my I mean, I was, you know, 623 00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:24.400 getting into Olympic weightlifting and CrossFit you know, before I left. 624 00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:29.960 I started that when I was at in Fayetteville, and 625 00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:35.960 so I my athletic simo was going up, and uh 626 00:35:38.440 --> 00:35:40.440 so by the time I actually was was back, I 627 00:35:40.480 --> 00:35:43.039 wanted to get back into competing, and I feltured that 628 00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:44.840 would be a good way to kind of make my name, 629 00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:48.760 you know, known around there. And so I bet oh 630 00:35:48.800 --> 00:35:52.119 I had was White Belts and had to figure out 631 00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:54.159 how to wait to kind of utilize that the students 632 00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:56.880 that I had to actually train because I didn't have 633 00:35:57.039 --> 00:36:01.519 much free time, and uh so it was actually probably 634 00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:04.880 the most beneficial things for me personally, was was being 635 00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:09.039 able to change my tempo and be able to kind 636 00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:13.800 of ease off on pressure and you know, so I 637 00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:16.840 could actually move fast around them, but they're still moving. 638 00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:19.599 It's kind of like have lack of better terms, and 639 00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:21.719 I don't mean this in any way bad way, but 640 00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:28.199 like a training gummy, but I mean I competed at 641 00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:31.360 the Worlds in two thousand and twelve and took third 642 00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:37.719 and then pan Amasa took second. Wow, And this is 643 00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:40.159 like the early days on so it was it didn't 644 00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:43.039 actually start picking up until like twenty twelve, twenty thirteen 645 00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:49.280 at the school, and I kept competing, I mean until 646 00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:54.440 you know, twenty twenty two, or excuse me, twenty twenty 647 00:36:54.480 --> 00:36:57.800 one was my last jiu jitsu competition. In twenty twenty two, 648 00:36:57.880 --> 00:37:00.760 I did. I take that back. Twenty two I was 649 00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:06.280 competing introducers too, but on a pro platform, And twenty 650 00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:09.280 twenty two was the last competition I did, but it 651 00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:11.519 was in judo at Judah Worlds in Poland. 652 00:37:11.920 --> 00:37:15.159 It's interesting to hear you talk about like the growing pains, 653 00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:17.679 which I think is like very common for veterans getting 654 00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:21.280 transitioning into the civilian world, and specifically when it comes 655 00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:23.480 to dojo's. I've had guys tell me in the past, 656 00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:26.920 like dudes who were super badass fighters, but they didn't 657 00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:31.039 necessarily have the business acumen to run the gym. But 658 00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:33.519 I mean, clearly you figured it out and started doing 659 00:37:33.559 --> 00:37:34.039 something right. 660 00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:38.000 And I'll be honest with you. You know I had 661 00:37:38.039 --> 00:37:38.599 a lot of help. 662 00:37:41.559 --> 00:37:41.840 There was. 663 00:37:42.920 --> 00:37:45.280 I mean, I did a lot of reading, but you know, 664 00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:49.440 people that were like real computer savvy and understood like 665 00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:54.039 the whole you know, what was it the Google ads 666 00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:57.480 and you know, social media algorithms and things like that. 667 00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:02.320 Once I started kind of into that learning that, excuse me, 668 00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:07.159 I really started everything started picking up a lot more 669 00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:10.000 twenty fourteen. I think in twenty fifteen is when it 670 00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:15.039 really started going well and and I established a name 671 00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:17.480 for myself, you know, not just as being like a 672 00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:25.519 legitimate fighter, but a good coach as well. And it 673 00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:28.400 really panned out. So I literally got to live my dream. 674 00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:30.079 So it really worked out well. 675 00:38:30.559 --> 00:38:34.079 Out of curiosity, you know, when you you would you 676 00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:36.280 were a black belt before you got into powerlifting, and 677 00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:39.280 you know a lot of really heavy strength training. 678 00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:39.719 I take it. 679 00:38:40.199 --> 00:38:42.440 Did did you find that it changed your approach to 680 00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:46.639 jiu jitsu? Did you did it change your style of how. 681 00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:50.440 You rolled it? I don't think I could have had 682 00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:53.559 a better way of coming up in jiu jitsu being 683 00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:58.280 one hundred and forty five pounds and then learning, you know, 684 00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:00.519 because I was a big guy that had a small 685 00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:06.239 man's game. I literally had to have. I remember training 686 00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:08.280 at Travis Luter's place when I was a purple belt 687 00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:13.800 and he was so frustrated with me. He yelled at 688 00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:17.679 me across the room everyone's training. He's like, God, damn it, Alan, 689 00:39:18.320 --> 00:39:20.840 you're a big guy, You're two hundred and five pounds. 690 00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:23.920 Start acting like one. Get on top. Because I was 691 00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:27.079 always playing a little man's game on the bottom and 692 00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:30.400 I looked up and I was like, why's he yelling 693 00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:34.719 at me? But he was right, you know, And so 694 00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:39.079 I started playing a very top side game. From the time, 695 00:39:39.159 --> 00:39:40.800 I was like purple belt all the way up. But 696 00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:43.559 the thing was is that if I got swept or reversed, 697 00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:47.000 I was totally That was like where I came up from. 698 00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:48.880 So I was completely fine on my back as well. 699 00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:53.679 And then the Olympic weightlifting is probably what changed the 700 00:39:53.840 --> 00:39:57.360 entire dynamic, because I mean I got so involved into 701 00:39:57.360 --> 00:40:00.840 Olympic lifting and was still kind of vault and CrossFit, 702 00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:06.239 but I found a passion for Olympic lifting, and I 703 00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:08.360 mean I ended up having like a you know, three 704 00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:13.800 seventy clean uh, two seventy five snatch uh. And it 705 00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:17.159 all translated into jiu jitsu because I was still in 706 00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:19.119 the same weight class. I was still in super heavy 707 00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:22.400 that was under two hundred and twenty pounds. So I 708 00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:25.159 kept my size, you know, I toned my size down 709 00:40:25.199 --> 00:40:28.920 from where it was, but so I had the the 710 00:40:29.079 --> 00:40:33.480 endurance from CrossFit, I had the and from you know, 711 00:40:33.559 --> 00:40:36.320 of course training multiple rams in jiu jitsu and specialized 712 00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:39.320 in the training for competition and then I also had 713 00:40:39.440 --> 00:40:42.679 the strength that went along with the Olympic weightlifting more 714 00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:46.840 than anyone else. And when you're when you're training, it's 715 00:40:47.079 --> 00:40:49.239 entirely different than because in competition you have like a 716 00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:51.760 rule set, you have a weight class, and so there's 717 00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:55.599 a there's definitely a different dynamic than than if you're 718 00:40:55.719 --> 00:40:59.000 just training, and uh, of course there's a time limit. 719 00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:05.800 And man, it was a great combination. It really worked 720 00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:06.159 out well. 721 00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:09.800 It's the Olympic weightlifting, I mean for people who might 722 00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:13.360 not be familiar with that. Compared to you regular weightlifting, 723 00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:15.840 it's a lot of explosive power. 724 00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:21.440 Right absolutely, So you're basically like it's a it's a 725 00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:25.239 two event sport where you have you know, the snatch, 726 00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:27.719 which is you're trying to bring the bar up overhead 727 00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:31.840 in one movement, and then you have the clean and jerk, 728 00:41:31.880 --> 00:41:36.400 which is two movements to get it overhead. And so 729 00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:40.679 you know, speed and precision are definitely as one hundred 730 00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:47.079 more than anything else technique, but people don't understand it. 731 00:41:47.199 --> 00:41:49.719 You're you're lifting the bar like a thousand times to 732 00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:53.559 get it right once and twenty thirteen. So I got 733 00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:57.639 into it two thousand and eleven, like specifically in like 734 00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:03.360 Olympic weightlifting. Twenty twelve, I started competing. Twenty thirteen, I 735 00:42:03.559 --> 00:42:08.000 took I took first place at Texas State nash Texas 736 00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:13.159 State Championships and had two state records, so it panned out. 737 00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:16.639 But that was actually like what laid the foundation for 738 00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:21.599 my my strength training into jiu jitsu in fourteen, fifteen, 739 00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:27.000 sixteen or I actually uh, I think at twenty fourteen, 740 00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:31.559 I was ranked fourth in the world. Twenty fifteen I 741 00:42:31.719 --> 00:42:36.679 was competing so much. Twenty sixteen, it took second at Europeans, 742 00:42:36.679 --> 00:42:40.920 which is the largest tournament in the world, and they 743 00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:46.079 had like three thousand something competitors. Second at Panems and 744 00:42:48.679 --> 00:42:51.719 it was just it did wonders from my competition though, 745 00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:52.559 it really did. 746 00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:56.519 It's incredible and it's interesting, like as we're having this 747 00:42:56.639 --> 00:42:59.760 conversation and you had mentioned, I think before we started 748 00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:02.360 the sh show, like we've been talking about sort of 749 00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:05.159 your moving the chapters through your life, you know, time, 750 00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:10.000 special Forces, the gym, and what was kind of the 751 00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:12.920 next chapter for you after the gym, and you know, 752 00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:17.880 it sounds like, you know, winding down the competitions. Also, so. 753 00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:26.920 I got into judo because in two thousand. It was 754 00:43:27.079 --> 00:43:32.559 two thousand and fourteen. I believe I lost to a guy. 755 00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:38.679 I usually I used the wrestling takedowns, but in a 756 00:43:38.760 --> 00:43:41.400 GI there was a guy that had beat me strictly 757 00:43:41.480 --> 00:43:44.320 because he was able to manipulate the ge in a 758 00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:47.679 fashion where I couldn't use my wrestling, and I was 759 00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:51.880 like above and beyond frustrated with that, and I was determined, 760 00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:54.320 like that was that would never happen again, and so 761 00:43:54.440 --> 00:43:58.199 I started getting into judo strictly for jiu jitsu is 762 00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:03.360 like cross training for jiu jitsu interesting and man, I 763 00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:07.199 I ended up fighting that guy again and uh and 764 00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:10.880 took him down twice. The next time, I made a 765 00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:13.920 stupid mistake and kind of fell back into wrestling mode 766 00:44:14.679 --> 00:44:17.760 and they manipulated the gia and choping. So I learned 767 00:44:17.800 --> 00:44:22.280 my lesson on that. But the more I started training 768 00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:24.039 into judo for cross train, the more I kind of 769 00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:26.000 fell in love with that. And then I started competing 770 00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:32.280 in judo, and then I started getting really involved in it, 771 00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:36.400 Like twenty seventeen, eighteen twenty seventeen, I got my black 772 00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:41.280 belt in judo, and then I was competing at mainly State. 773 00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:46.119 A couple of ones you know out of town. I 774 00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:49.840 won US Nationals in twenty twenty one, and my last 775 00:44:49.880 --> 00:44:52.559 competition was at JUDOH Worlds. I think I took like 776 00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:56.000 fifth and that was I was an ass whooping. I 777 00:44:56.079 --> 00:44:59.679 lost to a guy from Azerbaijan, So I mean it 778 00:44:59.800 --> 00:45:02.239 was it was an incredible competition though, just no regrets. 779 00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:05.559 Yeah, I mean, you're still kicking ass, competing in all 780 00:45:05.599 --> 00:45:10.679 of these different forms, including weightlifting, and you're not getting 781 00:45:10.679 --> 00:45:13.719 any younger either. I mean that's I'm not trying to 782 00:45:13.760 --> 00:45:15.920 take jabs at you. I mean, it's impressive that you're 783 00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:18.039 you had that kind of longevity as an athlete. 784 00:45:18.719 --> 00:45:23.599 Yeah. I think it's the training that actually kind of 785 00:45:23.800 --> 00:45:27.159 keeps me in in the shape that I'm in. I mean, 786 00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:32.280 I'm kind of fortunate. I've only had I had to 787 00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:35.639 have complete reconstructive surgery on my right shoulder. I had 788 00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:38.920 to have surgery on my neck, fractured my C sixty seven, 789 00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:43.599 and I mean that was the only two surgeres ever 790 00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:48.400 had though. And I mean, don't get me wrong, I've 791 00:45:48.440 --> 00:45:52.159 I mean I've torn some tens and broke those things 792 00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:54.440 like that, but I think to really keep me out 793 00:45:54.440 --> 00:45:58.000 of it, just banish it up and keep going. So 794 00:45:58.119 --> 00:46:00.840 it's pretty fortunate that's that's only things that I've had. 795 00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:05.920 And there's the next chapter in your life. I mean, 796 00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:08.320 can you tell us what came after and kind of 797 00:46:08.440 --> 00:46:11.800 like bringing us closer to today, because I think it's 798 00:46:11.840 --> 00:46:14.159 pretty interesting what you're up to nowadays. 799 00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:19.199 So last year, I got a call from a good 800 00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:23.320 friend of mine I've known for like twenty years but 801 00:46:23.559 --> 00:46:26.320 just we just haven't kept in contact, but I'm knowing 802 00:46:26.360 --> 00:46:29.679 him for a while and it reaches out and he's like, yeah, 803 00:46:29.679 --> 00:46:35.519 I'm the I'm the president for the National Cutting Horse Association. 804 00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:38.280 And I was like, I have no idea what that is. 805 00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:41.239 He's like, oh, it's a rodeo event. But now the 806 00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:46.400 reason I'm calling is because we have a fundraiser for 807 00:46:48.239 --> 00:46:55.079 special operations, different charities that we're raising money for. And 808 00:46:55.159 --> 00:46:58.599 I was like, absolutely, man, I'm in. And I started 809 00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:04.000 We DeFi Foundation with Joey Bosick back in twenty fifteen, 810 00:47:04.320 --> 00:47:08.039 using jiu jitsu's form of therapy for combat disabled veterans 811 00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:13.280 to reintegrate back into society, and so we're trying to 812 00:47:13.360 --> 00:47:18.840 raise money for we TOFI And so he explained to 813 00:47:18.920 --> 00:47:21.800 me like what the sport was and you know, of 814 00:47:21.880 --> 00:47:26.880 course I'm in. I had to call him back like 815 00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:29.440 ten minutes later. It's like, hey, man, did you want 816 00:47:29.480 --> 00:47:32.239 me to actually get on a horse. He's like, yeah, 817 00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:34.119 of course you want to be a part of it. 818 00:47:34.199 --> 00:47:36.639 And I was like, yeah, but I've never ridden a horse. 819 00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:45.719 And he's like, oh, you'll be fine, You'll be all right. So, man, 820 00:47:45.920 --> 00:47:49.440 I got on a horse for the first time last 821 00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:55.840 year to actually ride around and for cutting horses are 822 00:47:55.960 --> 00:48:00.480 like the Bugattis of horses. They're like, are the most 823 00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:05.280 athletic horses that you can find. They're so agile and fast. 824 00:48:05.719 --> 00:48:07.800 I mean, it's it's my whole goal last year was 825 00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:11.079 just not to fall off and and again it's just 826 00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:14.840 an exhibition show. But I managed to get third last year, 827 00:48:14.920 --> 00:48:19.679 and the coach that I had invited me out, uh 828 00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:23.679 to keep riding at his ranch and uh, man, I 829 00:48:23.719 --> 00:48:26.320 don't know. That was probably the worst idea because he 830 00:48:26.360 --> 00:48:28.719 hasn't been able to get rid of me since I 831 00:48:29.079 --> 00:48:30.679 just fell in love with the sport. I just love 832 00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:36.119 I love horses now and just the peace and tranquility. 833 00:48:36.199 --> 00:48:38.079 You know, he's been able to, you know, trust me 834 00:48:38.199 --> 00:48:42.559 to be able to go, you know, out in the 835 00:48:43.159 --> 00:48:46.280 ranch and move cows and to me, I mean, honestly, 836 00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:53.280 there's there's it's uncomparable. Honestly, Like, I haven't found something 837 00:48:53.400 --> 00:48:57.440 like this since I started jiu jitsu. So Jay Wimborne 838 00:48:57.519 --> 00:48:59.840 that the who was the president of n c CHA, 839 00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:05.000 introduced me to it, and Bruce Maureen has been my coach. 840 00:49:05.360 --> 00:49:07.639 And I'm telling you that I owe so much to 841 00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:10.440 those two men because they literally changed my life. It 842 00:49:10.519 --> 00:49:12.519 really has and opened me up to like a whole 843 00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:14.119 new world. Amazing. 844 00:49:14.440 --> 00:49:18.199 Yeah, well, what do you think it was that kind 845 00:49:18.239 --> 00:49:20.239 of like took you from you know, the very martial 846 00:49:20.360 --> 00:49:23.840 arts driven background that you have to something totally different really, 847 00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:30.559 and it's learning something new. 848 00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:34.920 It's not just learning something new, but it's something so 849 00:49:35.280 --> 00:49:39.280 drastically new, you know, because you have to have this 850 00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:45.119 symbiotic type relationship with the horse and they're, like I said, 851 00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:47.480 there's so athletic and so fast that you know you 852 00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:49.480 have to be it's basically just trying to stay out 853 00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:51.440 of their way, like Okay, I'm going to get you 854 00:49:51.519 --> 00:49:54.519 to hear and then you're going to take over and 855 00:49:54.599 --> 00:49:56.480 then if you need like a reminder, I'll tap you 856 00:49:56.599 --> 00:49:58.320 on where to go, you know. But you have like this, 857 00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:03.000 this relationship with no words. It's it's all physical and 858 00:50:03.679 --> 00:50:07.679 they are absolutely there's some of the most sensitive and 859 00:50:09.639 --> 00:50:13.679 creatures that that are out there. And I remember walking 860 00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:15.920 up to the horse for the first time and that 861 00:50:16.039 --> 00:50:18.280 horse started back in a way because I was scared 862 00:50:18.280 --> 00:50:20.199 out of my mind. Man, I've never been that close 863 00:50:20.239 --> 00:50:21.360 to a horse, you know what I mean. I'm like 864 00:50:21.400 --> 00:50:24.119 gonna and they're like, no, you have to walk sideways, 865 00:50:24.159 --> 00:50:25.880 and then you have to you know, have them smell 866 00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:27.679 your you know, the brush that you're gonna put on them, 867 00:50:27.679 --> 00:50:30.199 and then when you walk around, I'm like, and this 868 00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:31.639 this is how of a safety brief? 869 00:50:31.719 --> 00:50:31.800 Man? 870 00:50:31.840 --> 00:50:34.800 Am I gonna get kicked? And they're gonna tramples because 871 00:50:34.800 --> 00:50:39.360 they're just huge. They're beautiful creatures though, and and once 872 00:50:39.400 --> 00:50:41.400 I started getting comfortable with them, I just I couldn't 873 00:50:41.400 --> 00:50:46.320 get to stay away. The there's a lot of organizations 874 00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:49.360 now that actually use equine therapy, as you know, for 875 00:50:49.719 --> 00:50:53.840 for mental health, and man, I I wouldn't. One of 876 00:50:53.920 --> 00:50:56.519 the things that we do with and we defy is 877 00:50:58.360 --> 00:51:03.079 we provide scholarships for for veterans combat disaleed veterans to 878 00:51:03.159 --> 00:51:05.159 be able to go train at a school that has 879 00:51:05.239 --> 00:51:09.440 been approved by we DeFi to make sure that the 880 00:51:09.559 --> 00:51:12.880 school is able and willing to accept the combat disabled 881 00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:18.119 veteran that could have physical or mental disabilities. Unfortunately, ninety 882 00:51:18.159 --> 00:51:21.280 four percent of the veterans that we have come through 883 00:51:21.320 --> 00:51:26.079 the program or with mental disabilities, a lot of them 884 00:51:26.159 --> 00:51:29.159 with TBI and PTS and show all the signs and 885 00:51:29.199 --> 00:51:34.320 symptoms of CTE. But so we provide a scholarship for 886 00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:37.920 them for a year and man a lot of them 887 00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:41.159 stay on after the scholarship to become like mentors or ambassadors. 888 00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:45.480 And now we have like I think it's over eight 889 00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:49.400 hundred affiliates nationwide different jiu jitsu schools that are jumped 890 00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:53.960 on the program. We've put over I think fourteen hundred 891 00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:57.880 veterans to the program and four hundred ambassadors. And the 892 00:51:57.960 --> 00:52:01.039 best part of this, no one gets paid in the foundation. 893 00:52:01.239 --> 00:52:05.119 So we're still at that point now where it's all volunteer, 894 00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:08.639 no one makes money off of it, and we think 895 00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:11.880 is eighty four percent of every dollar goes back to 896 00:52:11.920 --> 00:52:12.360 the veteran. 897 00:52:13.159 --> 00:52:15.440 Where can people find the organization if they want to 898 00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:15.960 get involved. 899 00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:23.760 We define foundation dot org okay, And one of the 900 00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:28.400 victories that we have though, is if we have someone 901 00:52:28.480 --> 00:52:31.320 that quits and says, man, you know, I love this, 902 00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:36.480 but I found you know, yoga, I found rock climbing. 903 00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:38.800 You know, to us, that's a win. 904 00:52:39.199 --> 00:52:39.360 You know. 905 00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:43.280 So if people can find you know, their their their 906 00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:45.800 peace of mind and you know, find their solution through 907 00:52:45.840 --> 00:52:49.320 equine therapy, you know, that's absolutely a win for us 908 00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:52.679 as well, because the goals is for the veteran to 909 00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:59.679 get better, and there isn't anything you know that's We're 910 00:52:59.719 --> 00:53:01.239 not going to say no, you can't do that. You 911 00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:04.920 have to stay with you know. But it's a win 912 00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:06.559 for us too. It's a win for them. It's a 913 00:53:06.599 --> 00:53:08.519 win for us, and you know, we're glad that they 914 00:53:08.719 --> 00:53:11.599 were able to, you know, find the connections to jiu 915 00:53:11.679 --> 00:53:14.320 jitsu or you know, because that's a lot of the 916 00:53:14.440 --> 00:53:17.599 big part of it is this networking. And I mean 917 00:53:17.679 --> 00:53:19.960 that's exactly how I got into this was Jay was 918 00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:23.400 actually doing jiu jitsu and he remembered me from doing 919 00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:26.719 that and asked me to be a part of the show. So, 920 00:53:27.400 --> 00:53:30.800 I mean, it's it's definitely a win and I highly 921 00:53:31.159 --> 00:53:34.599 recommend if anyone gets a chance to get equine therapy 922 00:53:34.639 --> 00:53:36.800 to give it a shot. You know, it does, wonders 923 00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:37.760 absolutely does. 924 00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:42.000 And you've also taken become a bit of a world 925 00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:46.000 traveler in recent months. Tell us a little bit about that. 926 00:53:46.119 --> 00:53:47.440 Where you've been, what you've been up to. 927 00:53:48.800 --> 00:53:55.840 So I so after October seventh, I was getting a 928 00:53:56.800 --> 00:53:59.800 lot of it's doing a lot of research, reading a 929 00:53:59.840 --> 00:54:04.559 lot of books, and I kept getting conflicting information. I 930 00:54:04.639 --> 00:54:08.719 was getting really frustrated with it, especially when I was 931 00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:11.880 talking to people about it, and like, you don't know, 932 00:54:12.159 --> 00:54:16.840 you don't know, you don't know, And so I was like, 933 00:54:16.960 --> 00:54:22.000 you know what I need to find out. I needed 934 00:54:22.119 --> 00:54:25.079 I need to find out on my own. And I 935 00:54:25.199 --> 00:54:29.119 started getting like a bug for travel about last year 936 00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:35.559 because I really like I was going to different I 937 00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:37.719 was going to Germany, I was, you know, visiting my 938 00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:42.119 friends there, and my mother lives in Italy, so I 939 00:54:42.239 --> 00:54:47.000 get an opportunity to go see her. I traveled out 940 00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:51.719 to Poland, and I just love experiencing, you know, different 941 00:54:51.760 --> 00:54:57.440 cultures and different things. So I felt that the only 942 00:54:57.519 --> 00:54:59.159 thing that was kind of keeping me in place was 943 00:54:59.199 --> 00:55:03.679 the school. So I sold to school in April, jumped 944 00:55:03.679 --> 00:55:06.679 on a plane and I was in England for a 945 00:55:06.719 --> 00:55:10.679 little bit and then went to Germany, into Austria and 946 00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:18.639 then flew into Jordan across the border, and well, I 947 00:55:19.719 --> 00:55:22.639 never got to fulfill this. But one of the guys 948 00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:25.880 that that was in tenth group was working for a 949 00:55:25.960 --> 00:55:31.199 company called GMR Global Medicine Responses, and they provide security 950 00:55:31.320 --> 00:55:36.280 to surgeons in different combat areas. And I jumped on 951 00:55:36.320 --> 00:55:40.039 a call with them and try to get a team 952 00:55:40.119 --> 00:55:43.239 leader position to provide security for surgeons going into Gaza, 953 00:55:43.840 --> 00:55:45.239 because I thought that would be the best way for 954 00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:49.159 me to find out what's going on. And so I 955 00:55:49.199 --> 00:55:52.960 got touched for them and ended up in the West 956 00:55:53.000 --> 00:55:55.440 Bank and waiting for a call. I was just staging 957 00:55:55.480 --> 00:55:58.480 out of the West Bank, you know, and never got 958 00:55:58.519 --> 00:56:01.840 the call for that. But yeah, while I was in 959 00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:06.639 the West Bank, I first spent about about ten days 960 00:56:06.679 --> 00:56:11.760 in Bethlehem, and then a lot of the things that 961 00:56:11.800 --> 00:56:15.559 were going off the hotspots were actually in Hebron. So 962 00:56:15.760 --> 00:56:19.840 I moved out to Hebron, got an apartment and just 963 00:56:19.960 --> 00:56:22.639 kind of start experiencing things for myself and see what 964 00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:25.079 was going on. Specifically, I just wanted to experience it, 965 00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:30.760 and it was there's an eye opening experience at least. 966 00:56:31.039 --> 00:56:33.679 Yeah, I mean, tell us about that. I mean, any 967 00:56:34.360 --> 00:56:36.639 as you point out yourself. I mean, there's so much 968 00:56:36.719 --> 00:56:40.360 conflicting information coming out of the region. And when people 969 00:56:40.519 --> 00:56:42.599 challenged you and said, well you don't know, you know, 970 00:56:42.719 --> 00:56:44.360 you were like, well, okay, I'm going to go find 971 00:56:44.400 --> 00:56:47.840 out and actually went there. I mean, I'd be interested 972 00:56:47.880 --> 00:56:49.159 to hear what your experience was like. 973 00:56:51.800 --> 00:56:54.559 So one of the things is that you hear is 974 00:56:56.719 --> 00:56:58.719 well before I left a lot of people. I told 975 00:56:58.760 --> 00:57:03.360 a few people about it and and they're like, well, 976 00:57:03.360 --> 00:57:04.559 where are you going to be spending your time? And 977 00:57:04.639 --> 00:57:05.960 I was like, well, I'll be waited in the West Bank. 978 00:57:05.960 --> 00:57:07.880 They're like, I'll be careful, be careful. You know, you 979 00:57:08.239 --> 00:57:11.519 can't trust those people. And so I kept hearing that. 980 00:57:11.679 --> 00:57:13.039 You know, after a few times, I was like, wait 981 00:57:13.039 --> 00:57:16.079 a minute, who are you talking about. You're talking about 982 00:57:16.159 --> 00:57:18.599 you know, the Israelies or the Palestinians, Like the Palestinians, 983 00:57:18.639 --> 00:57:22.760 I mean Hamasca take you hostage. And I was like, oh, okay, 984 00:57:23.480 --> 00:57:27.840 so we'll see how that goes. So when I got 985 00:57:27.920 --> 00:57:31.280 to I was Bethlehem is very much like a touristy 986 00:57:31.320 --> 00:57:35.280 type place. So the first thing I kind of noticed 987 00:57:35.400 --> 00:57:42.199 was there was there's different types of Sharia law. But 988 00:57:42.519 --> 00:57:44.920 I mean, I'm not sure if you've been like Bahrain 989 00:57:45.079 --> 00:57:50.239 or anything like that, or Dubai and Bahrain and both 990 00:57:50.280 --> 00:57:52.760 under Sharia law, but I mean you can. I mean 991 00:57:52.920 --> 00:57:56.880 Dubai is like Las Vegas for the Middle East. They 992 00:57:56.920 --> 00:57:59.800 so liquor there and beery at the restaurants. Everything. Buttlam's 993 00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:03.519 kind of similar, same, very similar. Excuse me. And I 994 00:58:03.639 --> 00:58:09.679 wasn't expecting that. And then when I left Bethlehem and 995 00:58:09.840 --> 00:58:14.559 was going to Hebron, I got there early in the 996 00:58:14.599 --> 00:58:17.599 morning and I think around six, and none of the 997 00:58:17.639 --> 00:58:22.280 businesses open there until like eight or nine. And my 998 00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:25.960 SIM card wasn't working on my phone, and so I 999 00:58:26.000 --> 00:58:27.880 had no GPS. So I was supposed to have like 1000 00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:30.400 a contact meet me and to give me a ride. 1001 00:58:31.760 --> 00:58:35.159 And I was taking the service, which is like a 1002 00:58:35.199 --> 00:58:40.880 shared taxi, and so I get there, I don't speak 1003 00:58:40.880 --> 00:58:43.440 the language. The Arabic that I learned at the Q 1004 00:58:43.599 --> 00:58:47.719 course was like not no, no good at all because 1005 00:58:47.760 --> 00:58:52.079 they speak leven teen and I hadn't spoken ever like 1006 00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:58.599 fifteen years. So I literally waved down the first person 1007 00:58:59.199 --> 00:59:01.559 I could see him, just pointing. The only thing that 1008 00:59:01.639 --> 00:59:03.239 saved me had a screenshot of like where it was 1009 00:59:03.239 --> 00:59:09.719 supposed to be, and so like, literally, can you help 1010 00:59:09.760 --> 00:59:14.400 me out, like pointing at my phone, and uh, he 1011 00:59:14.559 --> 00:59:17.159 just is, you know, just wait here. So kind of 1012 00:59:17.199 --> 00:59:19.039 like we're waiting by the side of the street and 1013 00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:22.800 the first person that walks or drives by, he flags 1014 00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:26.239 down and he speaks to every to him, I couldn't understand. 1015 00:59:26.360 --> 00:59:29.519 He's like, okay, get it fudded fuddled, like go go. 1016 00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:32.960 I was like, oh shit, this is how this shit starts. 1017 00:59:33.199 --> 00:59:37.559 You know, I'm getting rolled up real fast, and uh. 1018 00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:40.960 And he took me like a couple of miles up 1019 00:59:40.960 --> 00:59:44.400 the road and it's a lot of hills. So I'm 1020 00:59:44.440 --> 00:59:47.360 really glad I did, but dropped me off exact where 1021 00:59:47.360 --> 00:59:51.440 we're supposed to go, and he's like, okay, yeah, that's it. 1022 00:59:51.800 --> 00:59:53.360 I was like, so I was trying to give him money. 1023 00:59:53.400 --> 00:59:57.480 He's like, ah, go go. It's like, you know, sugur, 1024 00:59:57.679 --> 01:00:03.400 thank you. I appreciate that. And he's like problem mish mushka, 1025 01:00:03.920 --> 01:00:09.840 you know. So I was like, oh, that's crazy. So 1026 01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:11.880 I still had a lot of apprehension just because of 1027 01:00:11.920 --> 01:00:17.440 the things that I'd heard, and then man, I honestly 1028 01:00:17.480 --> 01:00:20.119 have never met more welcoming people in my entire life. 1029 01:00:21.679 --> 01:00:24.440 The most I've never heard the word welcome more in 1030 01:00:24.519 --> 01:00:26.920 my entire life than I did the two months that 1031 01:00:26.960 --> 01:00:30.599 I spent there. Everywhere I went I had to add 1032 01:00:30.679 --> 01:00:34.000 like twenty thirty minutes to my walk because random people, 1033 01:00:35.039 --> 01:00:37.079 whether it be in front of a cafe or shop owner. 1034 01:00:37.840 --> 01:00:40.360 I mean, I don't blend there at all. 1035 01:00:40.480 --> 01:00:41.199 I want to talk and. 1036 01:00:43.719 --> 01:00:50.320 So like hey, come, come, welcome, Come, come, welcome, Welcome, 1037 01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:54.239 Sit coffee, coffee, Sit, Sit. 1038 01:00:55.760 --> 01:01:00.519 And man, I was wired for days. It's the little shots, 1039 01:01:00.559 --> 01:01:07.559 you know, they're super thick, but man, I honestly that 1040 01:01:07.760 --> 01:01:10.639 was that was probably one of the most craziest experiences. 1041 01:01:10.719 --> 01:01:15.079 And so you know, for like a month, I didn't 1042 01:01:15.079 --> 01:01:17.480 really have I didn't sign up with any organization or 1043 01:01:17.840 --> 01:01:21.559 you know, human rights organization or anything like that until 1044 01:01:22.920 --> 01:01:24.920 about a month in and I met up with an 1045 01:01:25.159 --> 01:01:31.719 organization called Human Defenders and then another one called CPT Palestine, 1046 01:01:32.960 --> 01:01:37.559 and and then I met the chief photographer for Routers 1047 01:01:38.159 --> 01:01:41.159 Media and that was probably one of the best cans 1048 01:01:41.840 --> 01:01:44.920 context that I got because he was actually able to 1049 01:01:44.960 --> 01:01:46.519 take me on some of the stories he was working 1050 01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:50.679 on and then kind of kept me updated with different 1051 01:01:50.719 --> 01:01:52.239 things that were going on in the area because he 1052 01:01:52.280 --> 01:01:55.440 had different journalists that were working to areas around the 1053 01:01:55.519 --> 01:01:59.480 West Bank and like up to date things, you know, 1054 01:01:59.599 --> 01:02:01.840 so that was kind of that was crazy contact. That 1055 01:02:01.960 --> 01:02:06.320 was phenomenal. But Musa was uh, he spoke really good 1056 01:02:06.360 --> 01:02:08.320 English and you know, was able to explain a lot 1057 01:02:08.400 --> 01:02:11.079 to me and you know, took me around Hebron and 1058 01:02:14.400 --> 01:02:22.320 but h as as conservative as Hebron was. And they 1059 01:02:22.440 --> 01:02:26.079 said welcomed first and then asked me where I was from. 1060 01:02:26.800 --> 01:02:26.960 You know. 1061 01:02:27.239 --> 01:02:29.320 So I think that that that says a lot though, 1062 01:02:29.440 --> 01:02:34.199 because they welcomed me in and then wanted to do 1063 01:02:34.239 --> 01:02:36.000 where I was from versus I mean, I could have 1064 01:02:36.079 --> 01:02:39.480 been just as well, you know, Israeli. I mean, because 1065 01:02:39.559 --> 01:02:41.559 that's only people I either saw with tattoos, you know, 1066 01:02:42.719 --> 01:02:45.639 and I honestly don't think they would have cared. They 1067 01:02:45.760 --> 01:02:48.679 just they saw someone that looked different and definitely was 1068 01:02:48.719 --> 01:02:51.920 a foreigner, and they welcomed me in. I had my 1069 01:02:52.039 --> 01:02:57.119 neighbors in the apartment building that I was at brought 1070 01:02:57.159 --> 01:03:01.559 me in for if hard to an aid in their 1071 01:03:01.639 --> 01:03:06.679 family meals and welcome me in. Other neighbors. I remember 1072 01:03:06.920 --> 01:03:09.760 someone knocking on my door and a little girl that 1073 01:03:09.880 --> 01:03:13.079 was holding like a bowl of fruit and dates and 1074 01:03:13.320 --> 01:03:17.679 things like that, you know, you know, for if Tarid 1075 01:03:18.519 --> 01:03:24.360 Aid Mobatak, and it was and I love the people there, honestly, 1076 01:03:24.960 --> 01:03:26.079 They're beautiful people. 1077 01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:29.239 It's incredible some of these parts of the world where 1078 01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:31.639 people take you into your into their homes like that, 1079 01:03:31.960 --> 01:03:34.239 and it's just you don't you almost don't know what 1080 01:03:34.360 --> 01:03:34.639 to say. 1081 01:03:36.840 --> 01:03:40.119 Absolutely. But and then the other part of it was, 1082 01:03:40.480 --> 01:03:44.320 you know, seeing how horrendously they were treated. I had 1083 01:03:44.320 --> 01:03:46.440 a gun drawn on me nine times in two months 1084 01:03:47.039 --> 01:03:52.480 by the Israeli occupation forces out there. I mean literally 1085 01:03:52.519 --> 01:03:55.760 I was walking through the old city and uh, they 1086 01:03:55.880 --> 01:03:59.880 have these literally a settlement like a you know, uh 1087 01:04:00.199 --> 01:04:07.760 design a settlement there and they have these like gates 1088 01:04:07.840 --> 01:04:11.599 on the top and uh, you know with these fencing 1089 01:04:11.880 --> 01:04:15.639 because they throw things down at the at the Palestinians. 1090 01:04:16.840 --> 01:04:21.960 And man, it was I'm just probably like two o'clock 1091 01:04:22.000 --> 01:04:24.280 in the afternoon, I'm walking by, and I look up 1092 01:04:24.519 --> 01:04:27.400 and I see a guy in a guard tower and 1093 01:04:27.519 --> 01:04:30.480 he kind of looks down and I'm just kind of 1094 01:04:30.559 --> 01:04:33.760 like curious to why he's like agitated. And then I 1095 01:04:33.840 --> 01:04:36.559 see him on sling and then just points directly at me. 1096 01:04:36.639 --> 01:04:38.599 And just kind of like, Okay, that's gonna be great. 1097 01:04:42.039 --> 01:04:46.280 But at checkpoints, you know, them coming by the passenger 1098 01:04:46.400 --> 01:04:48.880 side and drawing the weapons porn directly at me and 1099 01:04:48.960 --> 01:04:55.360 then you know, demanding the passport and so like it 1100 01:04:55.480 --> 01:04:59.400 happened like two three times at a checkpoint, you know, 1101 01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:04.559 a couple of time in the Old City, just randomly. 1102 01:05:04.800 --> 01:05:06.519 Anytime I was kind of like it was a checkpoint 1103 01:05:06.559 --> 01:05:08.199 and just kind of like a necessity to pull out 1104 01:05:08.199 --> 01:05:11.400 the gun and kind of show, you know, you know 1105 01:05:11.760 --> 01:05:14.320 that they're that they're there, I guess, you know, yeah, 1106 01:05:18.199 --> 01:05:21.079 And I think one of the big things was seeing 1107 01:05:21.079 --> 01:05:25.400 the apartheid while in the West Bank was definitely one 1108 01:05:25.440 --> 01:05:28.400 of those. I mean, it really had me thinking a lot, 1109 01:05:28.519 --> 01:05:32.000 because you know there's signs that say, you know, danger 1110 01:05:32.239 --> 01:05:36.119 Palestinian sides. Only you know, on Israeli is not allowed, 1111 01:05:36.519 --> 01:05:42.079 Israeli citizens not allowed. The only people that I saw 1112 01:05:42.559 --> 01:05:49.679 that were quote unquote Jewish were the settlers and occupation 1113 01:05:49.840 --> 01:05:55.320 forces and so the Palestinians and they call themselves Jews 1114 01:05:55.360 --> 01:05:58.440 by the way, I mean so, but they're the ones 1115 01:05:58.480 --> 01:06:01.679 that are taking over Palestinians. They're the ones that are 1116 01:06:01.719 --> 01:06:04.880 doing the raids, you know, and and busting into people's 1117 01:06:04.880 --> 01:06:09.760 apartments and in their homes and either just you know, 1118 01:06:09.880 --> 01:06:13.599 taking in and thrashing the place, or you know, taking 1119 01:06:13.679 --> 01:06:17.960 him in for questioning for whatever reason, harassing them at 1120 01:06:17.960 --> 01:06:21.840 that checkpoints. And so if you have and they don't 1121 01:06:21.840 --> 01:06:25.519 see anybody else, you know. So I think, in my opinion, 1122 01:06:26.719 --> 01:06:29.280 I think there's a lot more of a psychological aspect 1123 01:06:29.320 --> 01:06:33.039 to the Apartheid Wall then there is physically a little 1124 01:06:33.039 --> 01:06:36.199 bit what that wall is alan it's a wall that's 1125 01:06:36.199 --> 01:06:39.760 surrounding all of the West Bank, separating the Israelies creators 1126 01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:44.039 really from the West Bank itself. And I actually got 1127 01:06:44.079 --> 01:06:49.559 to see, uh, you know the artist Banksy, Yes, so 1128 01:06:49.719 --> 01:06:51.760 he has a hotel there called it's a it's a 1129 01:06:51.840 --> 01:06:55.119 spin off the Waldorf Hotel called the wald Off Hotel 1130 01:06:56.239 --> 01:06:58.840 and uh and his art is actually all over the 1131 01:06:58.840 --> 01:07:02.119 place in the West Bank for understands and Gaza too, 1132 01:07:02.280 --> 01:07:06.960 but he has his hotel there and all the windows 1133 01:07:07.320 --> 01:07:10.320 the view is always from you know, into the wall. 1134 01:07:11.079 --> 01:07:15.440 So it got the theme there, and I mean it 1135 01:07:15.519 --> 01:07:17.639 goes down as far as you can see. It's like 1136 01:07:17.760 --> 01:07:22.840 this massive like twenty five foot wall, concrete wall, and 1137 01:07:25.280 --> 01:07:27.360 I think it's you know, to keep you know, the 1138 01:07:27.480 --> 01:07:31.960 Israelis from seeing you know that you know, how good 1139 01:07:32.000 --> 01:07:35.360 these people really are. I think that if there was 1140 01:07:35.400 --> 01:07:37.239 a lot more of a type like human connection where 1141 01:07:37.239 --> 01:07:40.840 people could actually talk to each other, there'd be I 1142 01:07:40.920 --> 01:07:43.199 think that whole myth would kind of fall apart, you know, 1143 01:07:43.280 --> 01:07:45.519 because they're taught from a very young Israelis are taught 1144 01:07:45.519 --> 01:07:47.519 from a very young age that these people are like 1145 01:07:47.599 --> 01:07:49.360 they hate them and they want to kill them. And 1146 01:07:52.519 --> 01:07:58.800 it's just not the case at all, honestly, the as 1147 01:07:58.880 --> 01:08:04.199 different as I was, and there was no reason. And 1148 01:08:04.559 --> 01:08:06.599 that's the other thing too, It's it's not a religious 1149 01:08:06.639 --> 01:08:09.199 thing whatsoever, because you know, when I was in Bethlehem, 1150 01:08:09.760 --> 01:08:11.800 you know, there were Christians and Muslims living side by 1151 01:08:11.880 --> 01:08:14.679 side in along just like anyone. There's women wearing hit jobs. 1152 01:08:14.719 --> 01:08:17.479 The women who wear hit jobs. So it's not like 1153 01:08:17.600 --> 01:08:20.239 an Iranian state where you have to you know, where 1154 01:08:20.239 --> 01:08:22.840 they have like the moral police going around and you know, 1155 01:08:23.079 --> 01:08:26.600 or like Afghanistan where if you're not wearing it, you know, 1156 01:08:26.720 --> 01:08:28.640 you'll get beaten or something. I think that's more of 1157 01:08:28.720 --> 01:08:36.199 like a government policy than anything else. But yeah, there, 1158 01:08:36.359 --> 01:08:39.520 I mean, I never had hit the fact that I 1159 01:08:39.600 --> 01:08:42.039 was atheists, you know, and you know, I was always 1160 01:08:42.159 --> 01:08:45.880 you know, thinking that if you read you know, the 1161 01:08:46.439 --> 01:08:48.800 you know, anyonere online that you know, it's all the 1162 01:08:48.880 --> 01:08:51.960 Muslim countries, that it's a capital punishment to be an atheist. 1163 01:08:53.279 --> 01:08:56.680 But no one gave a shit. Everyone was fine with it. 1164 01:08:58.119 --> 01:08:59.920 One of the guys, and one thing I can respect 1165 01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:02.159 about a lot of the Muslims, they actually memorize the Koran. 1166 01:09:02.239 --> 01:09:05.760 They read it, memorize it. And one of the guys 1167 01:09:05.800 --> 01:09:08.520 I was talking to said, yeah, asked me if I 1168 01:09:08.560 --> 01:09:10.279 was Christian. I was like no, I was like, are 1169 01:09:10.279 --> 01:09:15.079 you Muslim? No, you're Jewish. No. He's like so he 1170 01:09:15.159 --> 01:09:17.239 kind of looked at He's like Hindu. I was like no, 1171 01:09:19.159 --> 01:09:23.279 I was like, I'm atheist. He's like, huh, so, so 1172 01:09:23.399 --> 01:09:27.159 you're a seeker. It's like, what do you mean. And 1173 01:09:27.279 --> 01:09:30.119 he's like, so you're seeking knowledge. You're trying to seek 1174 01:09:30.199 --> 01:09:33.359 the knowledge to try to make a decision. I was like, yeah, 1175 01:09:33.399 --> 01:09:37.520 I can go with that. Yeah, so even being atheist, 1176 01:09:37.560 --> 01:09:38.119 no one cared. 1177 01:09:38.439 --> 01:09:40.239 You know, well, I mean that kind of literally is 1178 01:09:40.319 --> 01:09:42.399 why you were there though, even if it wasn't a 1179 01:09:42.439 --> 01:09:43.359 religious context. 1180 01:09:44.000 --> 01:09:47.199 Yeah, absolutely it was. You're absolutely right, it was to 1181 01:09:47.239 --> 01:09:51.920 seek knowledge, to experience things for myself. And I went 1182 01:09:52.000 --> 01:09:54.960 to schools. I looked at the books, you know, in 1183 01:09:55.119 --> 01:09:57.760 different different grades to make sure, you know, because one 1184 01:09:57.800 --> 01:10:00.720 of the things I saw was mind com inside the 1185 01:10:00.760 --> 01:10:03.680 books and I'm making you know, how to make bombs 1186 01:10:03.760 --> 01:10:07.399 and you know, taught in their classes, and they didn't 1187 01:10:07.399 --> 01:10:13.319 see any of that. And like, honestly, I just you know, 1188 01:10:13.359 --> 01:10:15.359 a lot of the things that I've been told is 1189 01:10:15.399 --> 01:10:18.560 that they're just evil, vile people, and man, it couldn't 1190 01:10:18.560 --> 01:10:23.199 be further away from the truth, honestly, just some of 1191 01:10:23.239 --> 01:10:26.000 the most welcoming, nicest people I've ever met in my life. 1192 01:10:28.159 --> 01:10:32.119 And how did you wind down that part of the trip? 1193 01:10:32.159 --> 01:10:35.319 I remember, weren't you trying to go to Israel for 1194 01:10:35.600 --> 01:10:36.359 a while? Also? 1195 01:10:37.960 --> 01:10:39.760 Uh no, the only place I was trying to go 1196 01:10:39.800 --> 01:10:45.840 to was in Gaza, gotcha. Honestly, Like, by the time 1197 01:10:45.920 --> 01:10:48.119 that trips I winded down, the last the last thing 1198 01:10:48.159 --> 01:10:50.079 I wanted. I didn't want to step foot in Israel. 1199 01:10:51.840 --> 01:10:53.800 So that now I get things like we don't know 1200 01:10:53.920 --> 01:11:00.199 the other side. Yeah, I know the other side. I've 1201 01:11:00.239 --> 01:11:02.720 been saying for a long time that Israel's is an 1202 01:11:02.720 --> 01:11:07.039 apartheid state, that's been illegally occupying the West Bank and Gaza, 1203 01:11:07.720 --> 01:11:12.720 And I mean, if the ICC just came out with 1204 01:11:12.760 --> 01:11:14.560 that ruling as well, I mean that just kind of like, 1205 01:11:14.960 --> 01:11:19.039 you know, that backs up everything I've been saying. I'm 1206 01:11:19.079 --> 01:11:21.840 not saying all Israelis are bad, and I'm not even 1207 01:11:21.880 --> 01:11:25.239 saying that all the IDF, but let me rephrase that 1208 01:11:25.319 --> 01:11:27.880 real quick. There are some people that refuse to go 1209 01:11:27.960 --> 01:11:29.960 into the IDF. So I know there's some good Israelis 1210 01:11:29.960 --> 01:11:32.279 out there, and there's a lot of Israelis that are, 1211 01:11:32.520 --> 01:11:35.760 you know, protesting against what they're doing. So it's not 1212 01:11:35.880 --> 01:11:38.359 just a blind hatred for everybody. It's it's you know, 1213 01:11:38.600 --> 01:11:43.239 I get definitely against, but you've got to understand. I mean, 1214 01:11:43.520 --> 01:11:45.920 if you see the mentality of you know, a mob 1215 01:11:46.319 --> 01:11:49.840 that's literally attacking a detention center because you know, these 1216 01:11:50.640 --> 01:11:52.880 idea of soldiers in charge of the you know, have 1217 01:11:53.039 --> 01:11:56.840 been raping Palestinians to death and they're saying, well, they 1218 01:11:56.920 --> 01:11:58.840 deserve it, and they're held as heroes. That kind of 1219 01:11:58.840 --> 01:12:01.359 gives you an understanding of the mentality. And this is 1220 01:12:01.399 --> 01:12:03.399 something that just happened this last week, you know, So 1221 01:12:03.720 --> 01:12:06.119 it's very hard to argue that you know, they're very 1222 01:12:06.239 --> 01:12:10.920 moral or the world's moral army. When they're literally celebrating 1223 01:12:11.000 --> 01:12:14.359 the death of a Palestinian and a detention center by 1224 01:12:14.560 --> 01:12:18.600 raping him to death, I mean, how is that being 1225 01:12:18.680 --> 01:12:20.720 argued with? You know, how can you argue that? Honestly? 1226 01:12:22.640 --> 01:12:26.640 They can do you know, targeted specific bombs against you know, 1227 01:12:26.840 --> 01:12:30.960 kata Eskimino Kata. But the Hamas leaders and the Iranian 1228 01:12:31.039 --> 01:12:33.239 leaders in Syria and Iran, like they just did a 1229 01:12:33.279 --> 01:12:36.720 couple of days ago, but they're they've dropped what seventy 1230 01:12:36.800 --> 01:12:41.479 thousand tons of ammunition on Gaza. I mean, we have 1231 01:12:41.680 --> 01:12:43.640 right now. It's not even an accurate account, you know, 1232 01:12:44.039 --> 01:12:46.600 because I guarantee the numbers a lot higher than forty 1233 01:12:46.680 --> 01:12:51.279 thousand civilians fifteen thousand children, and no one's I don't 1234 01:12:51.600 --> 01:12:55.840 support Hamas by any means. I don't support the the 1235 01:12:55.960 --> 01:12:58.439 killing of civilians or taking the hostages in any way. 1236 01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:04.760 But I'm also not in their position, and I don't know, 1237 01:13:05.359 --> 01:13:09.239 I can definitely understand, you know, after you know they've 1238 01:13:09.279 --> 01:13:14.439 been occupied for so long, you know the amount of 1239 01:13:14.479 --> 01:13:17.000 frustration and anger. I mean, it's seventy percent of Hamas 1240 01:13:17.239 --> 01:13:20.199 are orphans. That's got to tell you a lot. I 1241 01:13:20.279 --> 01:13:23.239 mean that means that they literally have nothing to lose anymore. 1242 01:13:23.279 --> 01:13:27.439 They've lost everything. And again, you don't have to agree, 1243 01:13:27.520 --> 01:13:29.279 but you have to at least understand, to at least 1244 01:13:29.359 --> 01:13:34.439 know what the situation is. And this is literally just 1245 01:13:34.600 --> 01:13:37.840 this is a genocide. This is the definition of ethnic cleansing. 1246 01:13:37.960 --> 01:13:40.039 I mean, I was in the West Bank and they've 1247 01:13:40.079 --> 01:13:43.960 already taken four thousand people. You know, I say hostages, 1248 01:13:44.039 --> 01:13:47.600 not prisoners, because what they haven't committed any crime. You know, 1249 01:13:47.800 --> 01:13:50.840 Gaza was an open air prison. Because they're not prisoners. Prisoners. 1250 01:13:50.960 --> 01:13:54.119 Is is stating that they did something wrong and they 1251 01:13:54.199 --> 01:13:58.640 weren't doing anything wrong. The hostages that they they took, 1252 01:13:58.720 --> 01:14:01.199 you know that Hamas took again, I don't agree with that, 1253 01:14:01.760 --> 01:14:03.920 but I don't agree with the nine thousand that is 1254 01:14:04.000 --> 01:14:05.520 really is taken as well. And just because of their 1255 01:14:05.560 --> 01:14:07.640 government doesn't mean that they're not a terrorist organization. 1256 01:14:08.079 --> 01:14:10.600 Allen, I'm a little bit curious if you had any 1257 01:14:10.760 --> 01:14:14.680 takeaways as far as why this particular conflict, or this 1258 01:14:14.800 --> 01:14:17.600 stage in the conflict has unfolded the way it has, 1259 01:14:18.159 --> 01:14:21.239 as opposed to the decapitation strikes we saw over the 1260 01:14:21.560 --> 01:14:24.800 over the weekend where you know, these real precision strikes 1261 01:14:24.800 --> 01:14:28.640 against some really bad guys. Why we haven't seen more 1262 01:14:28.720 --> 01:14:31.119 of that and less of you know, flattening the city. 1263 01:14:32.479 --> 01:14:34.119 Hey, you talking about the leader Hamas. 1264 01:14:35.119 --> 01:14:37.119 Yeah, the Hamas leader in Taran, and then there's an 1265 01:14:37.159 --> 01:14:38.760 IRGC guy in Damascus. 1266 01:14:38.800 --> 01:14:42.720 I believe, I'm not sure about the RCG guy. The 1267 01:14:43.560 --> 01:14:47.239 leader Hamasa was trying to negotiate peace, and it's hard 1268 01:14:47.279 --> 01:14:49.159 to actually negotiate peace when he killed that guy. 1269 01:14:49.520 --> 01:14:50.840 The hostage negotiator. 1270 01:14:51.000 --> 01:14:55.720 Yeah, he was trying to negotiate a seasefire. And one 1271 01:14:55.800 --> 01:15:01.960 thing that Hans Rubinstein, the former he quit about the 1272 01:15:02.239 --> 01:15:04.399 month and a half ago, but he was the spokesperson 1273 01:15:04.520 --> 01:15:07.319 for the hostages. People keep saying it's about the hostage, 1274 01:15:07.319 --> 01:15:10.439 about the hostages, but yah, Yahoo was actually keeping it 1275 01:15:10.520 --> 01:15:13.000 from the Israelis, keeping it a secret. They could have 1276 01:15:13.039 --> 01:15:16.560 had all the hostages back ninth tenth of October in 1277 01:15:16.680 --> 01:15:19.079 return for not invading Gaza, but he didn't want to 1278 01:15:19.159 --> 01:15:21.159 do that, so they could have had the hostages back, 1279 01:15:21.199 --> 01:15:23.399 and he's been trying to actually negotiate that it's been 1280 01:15:23.600 --> 01:15:27.840 in their court and the amount of lying that the 1281 01:15:29.000 --> 01:15:31.920 I mean literally just saying no, this is an Israeli plan. 1282 01:15:32.960 --> 01:15:34.560 They're going to accept it. It's how much they were 1283 01:15:34.600 --> 01:15:37.039 waiting on and then switching the channel and looking at 1284 01:15:37.039 --> 01:15:41.520 the Kanessant and saying, it doesn't matter what we're not stopping, 1285 01:15:41.680 --> 01:15:43.560 doesn't matter if we get the hostages back, we're still 1286 01:15:43.560 --> 01:15:45.239 going to keep going and we're not accepting any deal 1287 01:15:45.319 --> 01:15:47.960 other than that, and then John Kirby going out and 1288 01:15:48.000 --> 01:15:53.640 spewing out the nonsense is absolutely ridiculous about the precision 1289 01:15:53.680 --> 01:15:58.119 bombings though, how can you how can you say that 1290 01:15:58.720 --> 01:16:02.079 you know yours specifically going after anybody when you have 1291 01:16:02.279 --> 01:16:04.479 that type of casualty. I mean, let's take the hostage 1292 01:16:05.000 --> 01:16:10.640 rescue right, they were saying it was such a what 1293 01:16:10.840 --> 01:16:16.000 was the stunning rescue? To say four hostages in two 1294 01:16:16.079 --> 01:16:19.479 hundred and seventy six Palestinian civilians were killed. That's a 1295 01:16:19.560 --> 01:16:24.600 catastrophic failure on every level. Yeah, you're not. The whole 1296 01:16:24.640 --> 01:16:28.720 thing about hostage rescue is not killing civilians and the hostages. 1297 01:16:29.479 --> 01:16:32.319 They've already killed three hostages. They did that I think 1298 01:16:32.399 --> 01:16:37.079 in December where they were literally speaking Hebrew kind of 1299 01:16:37.159 --> 01:16:40.119 a shirt on, waving white flags and they got smoked. 1300 01:16:41.119 --> 01:16:43.640 So I do want the hostages come back, before the 1301 01:16:43.680 --> 01:16:47.560 IOF kills any more of them. And Amos was saying that, 1302 01:16:47.800 --> 01:16:49.840 you know, and if you look at the look at 1303 01:16:49.880 --> 01:16:54.239 the condition that all the hostages returned from the homicide, right, 1304 01:16:54.840 --> 01:16:57.079 they're in good health, have been fed. There's a lot 1305 01:16:57.079 --> 01:16:59.119 of them they keep from the TV because they're saying, no, 1306 01:16:59.319 --> 01:17:02.760 they treated me well. You know. Then one lady came 1307 01:17:02.800 --> 01:17:05.000 on there like, oh, they treated me so bad. They 1308 01:17:05.079 --> 01:17:06.880 didn't knock before they came in. And it may be 1309 01:17:07.039 --> 01:17:12.720 clean versus being raped to death. And you see other 1310 01:17:12.760 --> 01:17:14.920 people that are coming back in such a condition where 1311 01:17:15.199 --> 01:17:17.680 they literally don't even look human anymore. They look like 1312 01:17:17.760 --> 01:17:20.760 they I mean, there was one guy that came in. 1313 01:17:20.880 --> 01:17:23.039 He was like limping on his way back, had lost 1314 01:17:23.239 --> 01:17:26.319 like probably like eighty ninety pounds. Look at how they're 1315 01:17:26.359 --> 01:17:29.239 treating the different the other types. And again I don't 1316 01:17:29.279 --> 01:17:33.560 support taking hostages on either side. There was an arrest 1317 01:17:33.640 --> 01:17:36.359 one put out not just for net and Yahoo and 1318 01:17:38.000 --> 01:17:41.520 what was his name, the general, the one of his staff, 1319 01:17:41.960 --> 01:17:44.359 but the MOSS leaders as well, to go in front 1320 01:17:44.399 --> 01:17:46.520 of the court, you see what I mean. And I 1321 01:17:46.600 --> 01:17:48.920 thought that was absolutely fair because in my opinion, there 1322 01:17:48.960 --> 01:17:51.039 were war crimes that were committed on October seventh, and 1323 01:17:51.119 --> 01:17:53.560 they need to be held responsible, but so does net 1324 01:17:53.600 --> 01:17:56.279 and Yahoo and the rest of the Knesset that that 1325 01:17:56.439 --> 01:17:58.800 was involved in actually you know, supporting everything that's been 1326 01:17:58.840 --> 01:17:59.079 going on. 1327 01:17:59.399 --> 01:18:00.640 Where do you where? 1328 01:18:00.920 --> 01:18:00.960 What? 1329 01:18:01.399 --> 01:18:04.199 Where did you get the information that the hostages could 1330 01:18:04.239 --> 01:18:07.479 have been recovered as early as October ninth or tenth. 1331 01:18:09.239 --> 01:18:13.560 From Hans Rubinstein and the Horetes and Times of Israel, 1332 01:18:14.159 --> 01:18:17.279 the media, they actually posted articles on that. 1333 01:18:17.760 --> 01:18:23.000 It's I mean, it's because by all accounts, I don't 1334 01:18:23.000 --> 01:18:25.840 even think Hamas knew where all the hostages were because 1335 01:18:25.840 --> 01:18:28.479 some of them were taken by civilians, right, So so 1336 01:18:29.560 --> 01:18:32.479 are they saying that the Hamas held hostages. 1337 01:18:32.039 --> 01:18:35.760 Would have returned the hostages Hamas had could have been 1338 01:18:35.800 --> 01:18:39.399 all returned ninth and tenth if they would have not 1339 01:18:39.600 --> 01:18:47.600 gone on to proceed to attack Gaza Strip. There's two 1340 01:18:47.760 --> 01:18:50.479 articles that I got a lot of sourcing from was 1341 01:18:50.600 --> 01:18:53.039 from Haretes and Times of Israel would just type up, 1342 01:18:54.479 --> 01:18:57.600 and then Hans Rubinstein actually did a take that back. 1343 01:18:57.680 --> 01:19:02.880 Hans Ruverside actually did a formal piece on that as well, 1344 01:19:03.079 --> 01:19:05.479 where he actually spoke out against what was going on, 1345 01:19:08.399 --> 01:19:10.880 and he was the spokesperson for the families that the 1346 01:19:11.039 --> 01:19:14.159 hostage has been taken Alan. 1347 01:19:14.239 --> 01:19:16.960 This is a bit of an unfair question to pose 1348 01:19:17.079 --> 01:19:21.000 to you or any of us, But based on sort 1349 01:19:21.000 --> 01:19:25.000 of what you saw over there, what you experienced, you know, 1350 01:19:25.199 --> 01:19:28.239 what your takeaways are from that, Where do you see 1351 01:19:28.279 --> 01:19:31.039 this going? I mean, this conflict has been simmering on 1352 01:19:31.199 --> 01:19:35.439 and off since nineteen forty eight at least, and this 1353 01:19:35.680 --> 01:19:37.840 is maybe as bad as it's ever been. 1354 01:19:42.920 --> 01:19:44.640 The one thing that I keep hearing is that there 1355 01:19:44.680 --> 01:19:47.199 was a truce beforehand. But if you actually look and 1356 01:19:47.800 --> 01:19:50.600 like what happened I think was September twenty third, there 1357 01:19:50.680 --> 01:19:52.520 was like an eleven day year strike mission, you know 1358 01:19:52.600 --> 01:19:59.000 against Gaza. There was three hundred or excuse me, two 1359 01:19:59.079 --> 01:20:03.279 hundred and forty seven than Palestinians killed in twenty between 1360 01:20:03.399 --> 01:20:07.079 January first, twenty twenty three, in October first, twenty twenty three, 1361 01:20:08.760 --> 01:20:11.279 two hundred and thirty seven a year before that, three 1362 01:20:11.399 --> 01:20:14.159 hundred and fifty one a year before that, and twenty 1363 01:20:14.239 --> 01:20:20.960 twenty one. You're absolutely right, you know. One of the 1364 01:20:21.000 --> 01:20:25.159 biggest fallacies that I keep hearing is if Hamas put 1365 01:20:25.199 --> 01:20:30.000 their bold things, if Palestinians put their arms down, which 1366 01:20:30.159 --> 01:20:33.960 they're not armed, there will be peace. If the Israelis 1367 01:20:33.960 --> 01:20:36.079 put their arms down, there would be a genocide and 1368 01:20:36.119 --> 01:20:42.239 a massacre. If the Israelies would stop with the illttle sediments, 1369 01:20:42.800 --> 01:20:48.359 which they actually just approved five more illegal sediments about 1370 01:20:48.479 --> 01:20:54.399 three weeks ago. They also Israelis also voted overwhelmingly that 1371 01:20:54.640 --> 01:20:57.079 there will never be a two state solution. There will 1372 01:20:57.119 --> 01:20:59.439 never be a one state solution, that the Palestinians will 1373 01:20:59.520 --> 01:21:08.199 never receive any type of validation that they actually have 1374 01:21:08.359 --> 01:21:15.039 their own their own statehood. So everything that the US 1375 01:21:15.159 --> 01:21:16.720 is saying that they're trying to achieve, like a two 1376 01:21:16.760 --> 01:21:20.720 state solution, well you have to have these Reelis to 1377 01:21:20.760 --> 01:21:24.760 agree on that as well. So if they're saying that 1378 01:21:24.840 --> 01:21:28.720 they will never have that, I mean, then the US 1379 01:21:28.880 --> 01:21:31.359 is literally just bullshitting everybody saying, yeah, we'll work on 1380 01:21:31.359 --> 01:21:33.800 a two state solution. Will it feels be a two 1381 01:21:33.880 --> 01:21:38.319 sided down The first thing that needs to stop is 1382 01:21:38.439 --> 01:21:41.359 legal settlements, I mean, the settler violence that's going on. 1383 01:21:41.520 --> 01:21:44.960 It's been the worst ever ever, especially in the West Bank. 1384 01:21:45.520 --> 01:21:47.880 While I was there, there was two thousand, two thousand 1385 01:21:47.880 --> 01:21:52.680 excuse me, there's two dozen Palestinians that were killed in 1386 01:21:52.760 --> 01:21:56.880 the outskirts of Hebron where I was at. I even 1387 01:21:56.920 --> 01:22:01.079 posted on on my page on Instagram. You know there 1388 01:22:01.199 --> 01:22:05.520 was unless it got taken down literally showing like the 1389 01:22:05.720 --> 01:22:09.279 you know, the settlers coming in and really beat Palaesians. 1390 01:22:11.000 --> 01:22:13.479 And this is something that's spent ongoing for very long time, 1391 01:22:16.960 --> 01:22:20.039 even in Hamas Charta in twenty seven, the twenty seventeen 1392 01:22:20.079 --> 01:22:24.640 of Miles Charter and articles. It's not the annihilation of Jews. 1393 01:22:24.920 --> 01:22:29.119 You know, they don't want to kill the Jews. That's 1394 01:22:29.159 --> 01:22:32.119 not the case at all. It literally specifies and articulates 1395 01:22:32.119 --> 01:22:34.960 it in a very good way that they only want 1396 01:22:35.520 --> 01:22:40.960 to stop and the the Zionist movement from taking more 1397 01:22:41.039 --> 01:22:44.279 land invicting more Palestinians so they can get taken over. 1398 01:22:47.479 --> 01:22:49.520 I mean. Another thing that was happening while I was 1399 01:22:49.560 --> 01:22:53.039 there was so all the aquifers and the water actually 1400 01:22:53.079 --> 01:22:56.840 comes from the West Bank. There's no water shortage, but 1401 01:22:57.159 --> 01:22:59.880 while I was there, they cut the water from a 1402 01:23:00.840 --> 01:23:03.840 sixty five percent for no reason. And that you can 1403 01:23:03.880 --> 01:23:07.520 always tell the Palestinians homes from the settlers homes because 1404 01:23:07.520 --> 01:23:10.800 there's water tanks on all of the Palestinian homes because 1405 01:23:10.800 --> 01:23:13.039 they have to pay for them, so they have to 1406 01:23:13.079 --> 01:23:15.640 pay for their water, and the settlers use five times 1407 01:23:15.720 --> 01:23:18.239 more water. But yet they'll cut it off and then 1408 01:23:18.319 --> 01:23:19.880 turn them back on, cut it off, turn it back 1409 01:23:19.920 --> 01:23:22.359 on because they're in control of that. If you wanted 1410 01:23:22.399 --> 01:23:24.760 to buy a car like a Kia Sorento, right, you 1411 01:23:24.840 --> 01:23:27.279 paid like ten grand for it, it's a twenty thousand 1412 01:23:27.319 --> 01:23:29.039 dollars car there because you have to pay an import 1413 01:23:29.119 --> 01:23:37.399 tax one hundred percent. This the ship needs to stop now. 1414 01:23:37.880 --> 01:23:41.920 If my thing is is like, for example, we don't 1415 01:23:41.960 --> 01:23:45.159 have any more slave rebellions, right, we don't have you know, 1416 01:23:45.359 --> 01:23:47.760 uprisings and slaves that that go and kill people like 1417 01:23:47.800 --> 01:23:51.800 the Turner rebellion that was horrible event, because we don't 1418 01:23:51.840 --> 01:23:56.079 have any more slavery. So right, the entire world is 1419 01:23:56.159 --> 01:23:59.039 seeing this. The entire world agrees the ICC, the highest 1420 01:23:59.119 --> 01:24:01.720 court in the world world is saying that it isn't 1421 01:24:01.720 --> 01:24:06.039 a part state that's been illegal occupying Palestinians in the 1422 01:24:06.079 --> 01:24:11.319 West Bank and Gaza since nineteen sixty seven, but the 1423 01:24:11.439 --> 01:24:16.000 horrendous actions have been continuing since nineteen forty eight. This 1424 01:24:16.720 --> 01:24:21.560 I agree with the icy C on this fullheartedly. It's 1425 01:24:21.600 --> 01:24:24.640 a long read, but it's well worth it. Don't get 1426 01:24:24.680 --> 01:24:26.159 me wrong, I how to use s dictionarund a lot 1427 01:24:26.199 --> 01:24:29.960 of it. This is about two thousand pages, but if 1428 01:24:30.000 --> 01:24:35.119 you read like the the summary of it, it actually 1429 01:24:35.159 --> 01:24:38.359 outlines like exactly like what needs to stop, because what 1430 01:24:38.560 --> 01:24:42.199 is illegal needs to stop, the illegal settlements and the 1431 01:24:44.079 --> 01:24:48.279 settler of violence the community when every time they try 1432 01:24:48.279 --> 01:24:51.520 to go to ABRAHAMI Mosque. You know the history on 1433 01:24:52.000 --> 01:24:54.800 remember the Abraham Moss massacre in February twenty fifth, nineteen 1434 01:24:54.840 --> 01:25:00.279 ninety four. I don't, it's when. So there was a 1435 01:25:01.600 --> 01:25:11.119 Israeli Zionist Jewish Zionist, Bruke Goldstein, that went into the 1436 01:25:11.159 --> 01:25:15.720 Abrahamian Mosque during Ramadan and as the Muslims were praying, 1437 01:25:18.319 --> 01:25:22.279 loaded his weapon and killed twenty nine and injured seventy 1438 01:25:22.399 --> 01:25:24.560 I think No. No. One hundred and fifteen, injured one 1439 01:25:24.640 --> 01:25:30.159 hundred and fifty and killed twenty nine. They all eventually 1440 01:25:30.479 --> 01:25:32.920 outnumbered him and beat him to death, but he's hailed 1441 01:25:32.960 --> 01:25:37.079 as a hero. Well, that was horrible in itself, but 1442 01:25:37.159 --> 01:25:41.439 what happened after was even worse. The entire area and 1443 01:25:41.520 --> 01:25:44.520 this is like a heavy market that's right there by. 1444 01:25:44.600 --> 01:25:50.159 ABRAHAMI Mosque was shut down for six months and the 1445 01:25:50.279 --> 01:25:54.079 checkpoints were enlarged. They had more checkpoints out there, and 1446 01:25:54.359 --> 01:25:57.319 fifty four of the mosque was taken over by these relies. 1447 01:25:58.079 --> 01:25:59.840 The rest of the mosque had a bunch of cameras 1448 01:25:59.880 --> 01:26:03.760 and stall all over it. So that's the justice that 1449 01:26:03.840 --> 01:26:07.520 they received. They had this horrendous event that happened to 1450 01:26:07.720 --> 01:26:12.119 the Muslims, to the Palestinians, and their justice was we'll 1451 01:26:12.159 --> 01:26:15.800 take half of your church and had more checkpoints. I mean, 1452 01:26:16.720 --> 01:26:21.119 these are the things that need to end. If you 1453 01:26:21.239 --> 01:26:24.119 want to stop the resistance, you have to eliminate what 1454 01:26:24.359 --> 01:26:25.279 the people are resisting. 1455 01:26:27.159 --> 01:26:29.319 When you say resistance, I mean you're. 1456 01:26:30.960 --> 01:26:31.000 So. 1457 01:26:31.439 --> 01:26:35.439 So the West Bank and Gaza are two completely separate entities, 1458 01:26:35.600 --> 01:26:41.479 right and Hamas was the elected government of Gaza, but 1459 01:26:41.840 --> 01:26:47.600 is not is not quite so present in the West Bank. 1460 01:26:47.760 --> 01:26:52.479 Is that correct? They're not in control at all authority. 1461 01:26:53.680 --> 01:26:58.199 We're because the from my understanding, you correct me if 1462 01:26:58.239 --> 01:27:02.960 I'm wrong, But Israeli occupy or Israeli troops inside Gaza 1463 01:27:04.319 --> 01:27:08.720 stopped like was it twenty fourteen, twenty seventeen, like there 1464 01:27:08.960 --> 01:27:12.239 was two thousand and six. Thank you very much, yes, so, 1465 01:27:14.239 --> 01:27:16.279 And you know, we can talk about Gaza being an 1466 01:27:16.319 --> 01:27:22.000 open air prison. But Egypt is also like on the 1467 01:27:22.159 --> 01:27:28.000 side of like not allowing Gosin's free passage through through 1468 01:27:28.119 --> 01:27:33.880 Egypt either. So there's so it's not just an Israeli issue, 1469 01:27:33.960 --> 01:27:38.279 Like there are issues with the settlements, no doubt. And 1470 01:27:39.039 --> 01:27:41.720 you know, and I think that prior to October seventh 1471 01:27:42.479 --> 01:27:44.600 there was a lot of pushback and maybe even now 1472 01:27:44.640 --> 01:27:46.119 I don't know, but I think there was a lot 1473 01:27:46.199 --> 01:27:47.319 of pushback. 1474 01:27:46.880 --> 01:27:48.399 In Israel, like a lot of. 1475 01:27:49.960 --> 01:27:54.159 Less conservative I don't mean like American politic politics conservative, 1476 01:27:54.199 --> 01:27:57.319 but a lot of like the kids at the Nova 1477 01:27:57.439 --> 01:27:59.800 Festival probably most of them would have. 1478 01:28:01.600 --> 01:28:05.199 Been against settlements in you know, the settlements in the 1479 01:28:05.239 --> 01:28:05.640 West Main. 1480 01:28:06.560 --> 01:28:08.439 But I just. 1481 01:28:10.920 --> 01:28:14.319 I just when you say resistance, I feel like there's 1482 01:28:14.359 --> 01:28:15.359 two separate issues. 1483 01:28:15.399 --> 01:28:16.800 Here are two separate things going on. 1484 01:28:17.319 --> 01:28:19.720 There is the West Bank and the settlements, and then 1485 01:28:19.800 --> 01:28:24.920 there's a terrorist organization called Hamas which conducted horrific a 1486 01:28:25.000 --> 01:28:26.159 horrific terrorist attack. 1487 01:28:27.079 --> 01:28:27.680 Is that is that? 1488 01:28:29.680 --> 01:28:31.319 I mean, you can tell me if I'm wrong. 1489 01:28:33.880 --> 01:28:36.880 I think it's more of a perception. Nelson Mandela was 1490 01:28:37.039 --> 01:28:39.319 actually considered a terrorist ah way, but to the two 1491 01:28:39.359 --> 01:28:41.199 thousand and eight for standing up to the apartheid in 1492 01:28:41.279 --> 01:28:45.840 South Africa. In two thousand and six, the Israeli has 1493 01:28:45.880 --> 01:28:50.960 actually removed all their settlements from Gaza and but replaced 1494 01:28:51.000 --> 01:28:54.560 it with the wall and automas weapons pointing inward. They 1495 01:28:54.680 --> 01:28:59.520 control the water, air landed, all the land, sea and air. 1496 01:28:59.720 --> 01:29:04.079 Every thing that goes in and out. They control and 1497 01:29:04.319 --> 01:29:08.039 subsidized food. There's like the red line directive which is 1498 01:29:08.119 --> 01:29:10.520 allowing only so much food going in there that won't 1499 01:29:10.520 --> 01:29:14.640 allow light bulbs in for like chicken coops see that, 1500 01:29:14.840 --> 01:29:18.640 I mean Cilantro and to Gaza Gaza. 1501 01:29:18.920 --> 01:29:22.000 So how then, because I'm not really familiar with a 1502 01:29:22.079 --> 01:29:25.279 lot of that, like how were there resorts and car 1503 01:29:25.399 --> 01:29:27.840 dealerships and malls and things like that in Gaza? 1504 01:29:29.920 --> 01:29:35.520 And everything has to go through Israel to get inside 1505 01:29:35.920 --> 01:29:38.479 is what I'm saying. And everything. There's a lot of 1506 01:29:38.560 --> 01:29:41.000 things that are actually like they're not allowed in like 1507 01:29:41.079 --> 01:29:46.239 for example, fishing poles, different type like potato, chips, chocolates, 1508 01:29:46.319 --> 01:29:48.760 I mean, different things like that are actually banned from that. 1509 01:29:51.560 --> 01:29:54.279 The the amount of things like for example, you can't 1510 01:29:54.319 --> 01:29:57.079 even go out so far to fish before they'll actually 1511 01:29:57.399 --> 01:29:59.239 like shoot you up, you know, if you try to 1512 01:29:59.279 --> 01:30:04.680 go fish outside. The taxation on there is is crippling 1513 01:30:05.439 --> 01:30:10.000 any because Israel does have control of everything that goes 1514 01:30:10.079 --> 01:30:14.319 in and out of Gosa. Another thing that that ads, 1515 01:30:14.560 --> 01:30:18.720 you know, makes the story even more complicated. But let 1516 01:30:18.760 --> 01:30:23.720 me one point though. First, Egypt has already I think 1517 01:30:23.760 --> 01:30:30.439 a quarter million refugees from Palestinian refugees. Jordan has two million, 1518 01:30:30.680 --> 01:30:33.159 Lebanon has I believe two hundred and seventy five, Syria 1519 01:30:33.239 --> 01:30:39.199 has a fifty seven thousand. It's just there's there's two 1520 01:30:39.319 --> 01:30:41.439 things that are going on there. One, they know if 1521 01:30:41.479 --> 01:30:43.119 they leave then they'll be able to come back, and 1522 01:30:43.199 --> 01:30:45.000 so a lot of people are just trying to stay 1523 01:30:45.039 --> 01:30:48.720 there because they want to go back home. The second 1524 01:30:48.800 --> 01:30:53.399 thing is there's i mean just kind of like the 1525 01:30:53.439 --> 01:30:55.840 immigration problem. You know, in any country, you have an 1526 01:30:55.880 --> 01:30:59.960 influx of people and they're going to be stuck there. 1527 01:31:00.680 --> 01:31:06.439 So the taxation on everything is is one of the 1528 01:31:06.479 --> 01:31:09.960 biggest problems to have because they're reliant on, you know, 1529 01:31:10.039 --> 01:31:11.680 to getting this really passed. That they have to go 1530 01:31:11.800 --> 01:31:17.479 through these cattle like gated gates, you know, in order 1531 01:31:17.520 --> 01:31:19.359 to get like a work permit and to be worked, 1532 01:31:19.439 --> 01:31:25.399 to be able to work in Israel. And so there's 1533 01:31:25.439 --> 01:31:29.079 a lot of different parts of this that you know 1534 01:31:29.279 --> 01:31:32.520 that that's why their economy is like is crumbling on there. 1535 01:31:33.079 --> 01:31:37.159 They have entire blockades. Another part that makes this even 1536 01:31:37.199 --> 01:31:42.319 more complicated about Hamas itself is there is I mean 1537 01:31:42.880 --> 01:31:46.079 Ntyahu himself has said, you know, in front of the 1538 01:31:46.119 --> 01:31:48.840 Likud party in twenty I think it was twenty eighteen, 1539 01:31:50.520 --> 01:31:52.920 and it can actually looked us up on Jerusalem Post. 1540 01:31:52.960 --> 01:31:58.560 I think it's from twenty nineteen. How Ya who's project 1541 01:31:58.680 --> 01:32:00.800 is going to backfire in his face because he's been 1542 01:32:00.880 --> 01:32:03.720 funding him since like nineteen eighty eight in order to 1543 01:32:04.760 --> 01:32:07.359 prevent a two state solution. Because as long as Hamas 1544 01:32:07.520 --> 01:32:11.239 is control in the Gaza, excuse me, as long as 1545 01:32:11.319 --> 01:32:14.319 the Palestinian authorities and control in the West Bank and 1546 01:32:14.359 --> 01:32:17.199 the Hamas is in control in Gaza, there will never 1547 01:32:17.279 --> 01:32:19.039 be a two state solution. You have to have a 1548 01:32:19.159 --> 01:32:19.960 unified government. 1549 01:32:22.800 --> 01:32:22.960 Now. 1550 01:32:24.119 --> 01:32:26.279 I remember actually seeing ron Paul Tak you know, in 1551 01:32:26.359 --> 01:32:30.960 any congressional hearing, you know, talking about this in two 1552 01:32:31.000 --> 01:32:36.039 thousand and nine, how Nana who was funding Hamas and 1553 01:32:36.199 --> 01:32:38.279 this is back in two thousand and nine, so it's 1554 01:32:38.359 --> 01:32:43.760 nothing to where it's you know, it's new information. Because again, 1555 01:32:43.800 --> 01:32:48.960 as long as as Hamas is up and going. Then 1556 01:32:49.000 --> 01:32:50.880 it'll never be a two state solution because it'll never 1557 01:32:50.920 --> 01:32:51.920 be able to agree on things. 1558 01:32:52.159 --> 01:32:55.119 It is kind of surreal to think about, and I 1559 01:32:55.239 --> 01:32:58.640 mean I wouldn't even entertain it if it wasn't so reported. 1560 01:32:58.680 --> 01:33:01.640 But I mean it's almost like imagine if George W. 1561 01:33:01.880 --> 01:33:04.720 Bush was funding al Qaeda and then nine to eleven happened, 1562 01:33:05.640 --> 01:33:05.920 Like I. 1563 01:33:06.840 --> 01:33:10.039 There's an argument to be made there, like like or 1564 01:33:10.079 --> 01:33:13.439 that we or that we funded ISIS or the beginnings 1565 01:33:13.439 --> 01:33:15.319 of ISIS in order to overthrow Syria, like. 1566 01:33:15.520 --> 01:33:16.880 Like what would you say about that? 1567 01:33:17.800 --> 01:33:22.840 I mean, it's I think that the idea that not in. 1568 01:33:22.880 --> 01:33:28.399 Yahoo supported Hamas in order to offset the PLO is 1569 01:33:29.600 --> 01:33:32.039 both horrific and probably very realistic. 1570 01:33:34.079 --> 01:33:34.279 You know. 1571 01:33:34.479 --> 01:33:38.319 I I don't feel as though Net in Yahoo, you know, 1572 01:33:38.439 --> 01:33:44.199 he has been you know, hardcore from the beginning and 1573 01:33:45.760 --> 01:33:49.640 unfortunately where I feel as though he was falling out 1574 01:33:49.680 --> 01:33:52.279 of favor and people were realizing what he was all about. 1575 01:33:53.039 --> 01:33:56.800 You know, October seventh has put things firmly back in 1576 01:33:56.920 --> 01:34:00.680 his in his court. And I I don't think I 1577 01:34:00.760 --> 01:34:02.640 don't think that Net and ya, I don't think that 1578 01:34:02.760 --> 01:34:05.880 October seventh was some Israeli plot. I think it was 1579 01:34:05.960 --> 01:34:08.920 a terrorist attack created, you know, done by some very 1580 01:34:09.000 --> 01:34:12.920 horrific people. Like if it were just about Israel, then 1581 01:34:13.479 --> 01:34:16.600 then we wouldn't have seen Thai people a thaie man 1582 01:34:17.359 --> 01:34:21.880 uh being beheaded with a garden hoe, right, Like Hamas 1583 01:34:22.239 --> 01:34:22.840 are terrorists? 1584 01:34:24.000 --> 01:34:26.399 What what net and Yah? 1585 01:34:26.439 --> 01:34:32.039 Who has or hasn't done to contribute to that? Is 1586 01:34:32.039 --> 01:34:33.520 another issue, and it's a big issue. 1587 01:34:33.560 --> 01:34:38.399 I'm not saying it's not, you know, but I think 1588 01:34:38.520 --> 01:34:43.560 that the people of Israel, you know, the kids at 1589 01:34:43.600 --> 01:34:47.399 the Nova festival, the people in these kibbutz, is that 1590 01:34:47.439 --> 01:34:50.680 what they're called, The in these you know towns uh 1591 01:34:51.680 --> 01:34:52.000 did not. 1592 01:34:53.640 --> 01:34:57.600 Deserve what they did, no more than. 1593 01:34:59.119 --> 01:35:02.840 The average America deserves something because of our invasion of Iraq, 1594 01:35:03.720 --> 01:35:06.720 right or the Palestinians at Gaza. 1595 01:35:08.399 --> 01:35:11.039 I you know it or the Palestinians of Gaza. 1596 01:35:11.680 --> 01:35:14.159 You know It's but I actually agree with you. I 1597 01:35:14.239 --> 01:35:17.319 don't and I always saying earlier, I don't support the 1598 01:35:17.479 --> 01:35:21.479 killing of civilians or targeting of civilians whatsoever. Don't support 1599 01:35:21.960 --> 01:35:24.039 you know, I think it's a war crime in itself. 1600 01:35:24.640 --> 01:35:26.600 I agree with you on that one by all means. 1601 01:35:26.840 --> 01:35:28.920 And I also agree with you that you know, the 1602 01:35:29.000 --> 01:35:32.399 taking the hostage of civilians is also a war crime. 1603 01:35:33.359 --> 01:35:36.800 But in reality, you have had two hundred and forty 1604 01:35:36.840 --> 01:35:40.800 six civilians in Israeli civilians taken hostage and seven hundred 1605 01:35:40.840 --> 01:35:44.039 and thirty seven civilians that were killed on October seventh, 1606 01:35:45.199 --> 01:35:48.840 not twelve hundred, because according to international law, they actually 1607 01:35:48.960 --> 01:35:53.239 have the right to armed resistance against an occupying nation. 1608 01:35:54.159 --> 01:35:57.000 So yeah, there's but still there's seven thirty seven. 1609 01:35:57.279 --> 01:35:59.560 So if you put it in the context of war, 1610 01:36:00.039 --> 01:36:01.960 out of the context of a terrorist attack, if you 1611 01:36:02.119 --> 01:36:05.079 say that they have the right, I don't know. 1612 01:36:06.119 --> 01:36:08.600 Like I said, the killing of civilians was definitely a 1613 01:36:08.720 --> 01:36:11.800 terrorist attack. It was a war crime, absolutely so. 1614 01:36:12.840 --> 01:36:15.239 But so But what I'm saying though, is that if 1615 01:36:15.960 --> 01:36:19.479 if their attack on the military targets, and that's the thing, 1616 01:36:19.600 --> 01:36:21.399 if Hamas were some. 1617 01:36:23.359 --> 01:36:24.960 Opposition for US, if they were some. 1618 01:36:25.079 --> 01:36:30.399 Guerrilla force and they had just struck military targets, they 1619 01:36:30.840 --> 01:36:32.279 might have room to. 1620 01:36:34.039 --> 01:36:39.119 To talk about this being a counter occupation result. 1621 01:36:40.560 --> 01:36:44.359 But when we talked about just an organization, that doesn't second, 1622 01:36:45.640 --> 01:36:49.920 So let's just say, ex organization that that kills civilians. 1623 01:36:50.199 --> 01:36:52.880 Well, accept organization that targets civilians. 1624 01:36:53.279 --> 01:36:55.680 Okay, perfect, even better because you know I mean the 1625 01:36:55.760 --> 01:36:59.439 United States government has killed tons of like look at Hiroshima, Nagasaki. 1626 01:36:59.680 --> 01:37:03.560 We can the lot of revilians, right, But in this 1627 01:37:03.720 --> 01:37:06.439 conflict itself, would you say that if they target civilians 1628 01:37:06.560 --> 01:37:07.920 or a terrorist organization, then. 1629 01:37:10.399 --> 01:37:12.840 Well that depends are they a legitimate like are they 1630 01:37:12.920 --> 01:37:16.119 commit Does it matter if they're a legitimate government? 1631 01:37:16.720 --> 01:37:20.199 I mean it does, right, it does because it because. 1632 01:37:20.000 --> 01:37:21.359 Targeting civilians doesn't matter. 1633 01:37:22.359 --> 01:37:26.000 It matters in the context of what a power, what 1634 01:37:26.119 --> 01:37:30.680 a state does in war. We targeted civilians. Every country 1635 01:37:30.680 --> 01:37:33.760 has targeted civilians and to death. 1636 01:37:34.920 --> 01:37:37.880 I mean, have have we have we like. 1637 01:37:39.880 --> 01:37:42.399 Have have we have we raped women from. 1638 01:37:42.520 --> 01:37:44.680 A It's kind of a ra kind of a gross 1639 01:37:44.720 --> 01:37:48.319 comparison though, Like that's not what we're aspiring to as Americans. 1640 01:37:48.520 --> 01:37:50.840 We're trying to be better than that. We're not trying 1641 01:37:50.920 --> 01:37:55.600 to be like Hamas or a terrorist organization. So I 1642 01:37:55.640 --> 01:37:58.840 don't think that what about ism of like it's okay 1643 01:37:58.960 --> 01:37:59.680 because we did it. 1644 01:37:59.840 --> 01:38:02.000 Is I'm not saying it's okay because we did. What 1645 01:38:02.039 --> 01:38:04.039 I'm saying is that what is the what is the 1646 01:38:04.119 --> 01:38:06.159 context that people are claiming? Are they claiming that it 1647 01:38:06.319 --> 01:38:10.159 is a sovereign government that Hamas was an elected government 1648 01:38:10.560 --> 01:38:14.600 that attacked another government, that attacked another country. 1649 01:38:14.880 --> 01:38:18.079 Or which is a war crime, and that's I don't 1650 01:38:18.119 --> 01:38:21.720 disagree with you on that, you know, you know, and 1651 01:38:21.920 --> 01:38:23.840 I they should be brought to court, just like you 1652 01:38:23.920 --> 01:38:25.720 know with your restaurants as war criminals. 1653 01:38:25.920 --> 01:38:29.119 Every one percent, if like I haven't read about the 1654 01:38:29.159 --> 01:38:33.000 person sodomized to death one percent, all those people should 1655 01:38:33.039 --> 01:38:37.640 be charged with I don't even even know if that's 1656 01:38:37.720 --> 01:38:38.119 war crimes. 1657 01:38:38.159 --> 01:38:39.920 They should just be charged with crimes against humanity. 1658 01:38:39.960 --> 01:38:44.239 They should be charged just like released just and that's 1659 01:38:44.279 --> 01:38:49.880 not correct, that's not right, just as just like everybody 1660 01:38:50.079 --> 01:38:54.640 in Hamas and all of their leadership should be targeted absolutely, 1661 01:38:55.079 --> 01:38:55.279 you know. 1662 01:38:55.520 --> 01:38:59.479 So I'm just what I'm advocating for is the same standard, 1663 01:39:01.159 --> 01:39:04.279 you see what I mean? Now again, if it's if 1664 01:39:04.359 --> 01:39:10.039 it was just now what I agree with you on, 1665 01:39:10.159 --> 01:39:15.279 that doesn't mean I don't understand. Because again, if you 1666 01:39:15.359 --> 01:39:19.279 look at the Hamas's you know they're military, you know, 1667 01:39:19.479 --> 01:39:24.079 or militia you know, seventy percent are orphans. I mean, 1668 01:39:24.800 --> 01:39:27.239 who am I to speak on what kind of atrocities 1669 01:39:27.479 --> 01:39:29.720 you know I'd be willing to do at that point? 1670 01:39:29.760 --> 01:39:31.479 You know what I mean I don't agree. 1671 01:39:31.560 --> 01:39:33.760 I mean, would you would you be wonder to be 1672 01:39:33.840 --> 01:39:34.800 had a time out? 1673 01:39:35.119 --> 01:39:38.680 I don't know, you know, you have like, for example, 1674 01:39:38.760 --> 01:39:41.079 like the Nate Turner you know rebellion where they actually 1675 01:39:41.199 --> 01:39:44.239 killed children and women and men in a nearby town. 1676 01:39:45.359 --> 01:39:49.159 I mean, I never was a slave, so I would 1677 01:39:49.239 --> 01:39:52.760 never understand the horrific amount of brutality had been inflicted 1678 01:39:52.800 --> 01:39:57.039 upon them their entire life, you know, enslaved and being 1679 01:39:57.119 --> 01:40:00.319 sold as property and then beaten and into their life 1680 01:40:01.199 --> 01:40:04.439 and uses cattle, you know. I mean I have no 1681 01:40:04.600 --> 01:40:09.279 understanding of that, do I do I justify and condona 1682 01:40:09.359 --> 01:40:12.159 absolutely not no. And That's what I'm saying is that 1683 01:40:12.199 --> 01:40:15.640 there is going to hold a standard. Please but but 1684 01:40:17.279 --> 01:40:19.319 but you're just clarify. 1685 01:40:19.439 --> 01:40:21.720 You're arguing this from the point that. 1686 01:40:23.439 --> 01:40:25.800 Gaza was an open air prison and the people that 1687 01:40:26.000 --> 01:40:29.319 have no freedom, and therefore it is equivalent to the 1688 01:40:29.439 --> 01:40:33.479 Nate Turner rebellions, that that even though there wasn't slavery, 1689 01:40:33.880 --> 01:40:37.560 there was there was outright oppression of. 1690 01:40:39.399 --> 01:40:42.960 A sort of there was suppression, yes, okay, and and 1691 01:40:43.079 --> 01:40:45.920 there was an illegal occupation. And I don't like using 1692 01:40:45.960 --> 01:40:49.359 the term. I mean, I don't like using the term 1693 01:40:49.680 --> 01:40:51.680 open up prison, because that was actually signified they did 1694 01:40:51.760 --> 01:40:53.239 something wrong. I think it was more or less a 1695 01:40:53.359 --> 01:40:57.319 concentration camp because it wasn't they weren't just left alone. 1696 01:40:57.399 --> 01:41:00.720 There were also there was you know, their term was 1697 01:41:01.000 --> 01:41:04.159 mowing the grass, you know, so they would actually everything 1698 01:41:04.239 --> 01:41:06.239 once in a while to let them know that they're 1699 01:41:06.560 --> 01:41:08.680 in control. They would do some air strikes in there 1700 01:41:08.720 --> 01:41:12.279 and just bombing the hell out of it. And then 1701 01:41:12.600 --> 01:41:16.199 if you look at the look at it like I 1702 01:41:16.279 --> 01:41:19.880 mean the French resistance itself. You know, we had the 1703 01:41:19.920 --> 01:41:22.359 occupation and the German occupation in France, and you had 1704 01:41:22.399 --> 01:41:27.720 the French resistance that was fighting back again. I don't 1705 01:41:28.479 --> 01:41:32.000 agree condone whatsoever. You know, the rape, you know, the 1706 01:41:32.119 --> 01:41:35.600 targeting of civilians themselves, I don't agree or condone that. 1707 01:41:36.720 --> 01:41:39.199 On both sides. It doesn't matter what entity it is. 1708 01:41:40.479 --> 01:41:42.600 You have one that's elected government, you have another that's 1709 01:41:42.600 --> 01:41:45.920 elected government. And if one is condoning it and the 1710 01:41:46.000 --> 01:41:49.119 other one is condoning it, they're both terrorist organizations in 1711 01:41:49.199 --> 01:41:52.079 that sense. The only difference is is that if it 1712 01:41:52.199 --> 01:41:55.960 was just the military resistance, if they actually targeted just 1713 01:41:56.079 --> 01:41:59.039 like you were saying earlier, then they actually have the 1714 01:41:59.199 --> 01:42:01.399 legal right to against that. And that's why I say 1715 01:42:01.439 --> 01:42:03.680 there's only seven hundred and thirty seven civilians that were 1716 01:42:03.760 --> 01:42:06.359 killed that day and not twelve hundred because the other 1717 01:42:06.399 --> 01:42:11.600 ones were police officers and IDs soldiers. Now the targeting 1718 01:42:11.640 --> 01:42:18.359 civilians themselves, like for example, the Nova Music Festival. The 1719 01:42:19.039 --> 01:42:21.920 location is twenty five by five right, it's twenty five miles, 1720 01:42:21.960 --> 01:42:25.359 the Gaza strip twenty five miles by five miles. It's 1721 01:42:25.479 --> 01:42:29.560 one of the most secured areas in the world. Why 1722 01:42:29.640 --> 01:42:33.800 did it take I've heard everything from six to twelve hours. 1723 01:42:33.920 --> 01:42:36.920 Let's just take the average eight hours to respond. Why 1724 01:42:36.960 --> 01:42:39.760 did it take that long to get people there? Where's 1725 01:42:39.800 --> 01:42:42.159 the footage from the cameras where they have KEMP? That 1726 01:42:42.279 --> 01:42:46.800 was one thing I also saw it like everywhere, especially 1727 01:42:46.960 --> 01:42:49.359 like they if you go buy like any checkpoint, there 1728 01:42:49.359 --> 01:42:52.239 are cameras stacked on top of cameras. Where's all the 1729 01:42:52.279 --> 01:42:54.640 footage from the breakpoints? Where's all the footage from that 1730 01:42:57.840 --> 01:42:59.520 the whole lot? 1731 01:43:00.079 --> 01:43:01.680 So what do you what are you saying about where's 1732 01:43:01.760 --> 01:43:03.039 the footage? I'm not quite sure. 1733 01:43:04.520 --> 01:43:07.119 Well, we'd be able to understand a lot more what 1734 01:43:07.319 --> 01:43:09.479 was happening during that time frame to the break in 1735 01:43:09.600 --> 01:43:12.600 and the breakout. You know where they attacked and how 1736 01:43:12.680 --> 01:43:16.600 they got in and out, But the response time is 1737 01:43:16.800 --> 01:43:19.640 is my biggest question, you know, and the security cameras 1738 01:43:19.640 --> 01:43:23.159 would show all of that. Why did it take again 1739 01:43:23.239 --> 01:43:25.279 the average if we take the lowest, let's just take 1740 01:43:25.319 --> 01:43:27.239 the lowest. Why did it take six hours for them 1741 01:43:27.279 --> 01:43:29.319 to respond to these really army to respond to that. 1742 01:43:30.680 --> 01:43:32.520 We've had people on the show that have that have 1743 01:43:32.800 --> 01:43:35.199 like speaking with sources of ven Isuel Stept said that 1744 01:43:35.279 --> 01:43:37.359 there was a big cluster fuck on the Israeli side. 1745 01:43:37.680 --> 01:43:42.560 There were like contradicting orders, there were there was confusion, 1746 01:43:44.600 --> 01:43:49.800 there was denial on some parts. But regardless of Israel's 1747 01:43:49.800 --> 01:43:54.960 failed response, that that doesn't mean that these kids at 1748 01:43:54.960 --> 01:43:57.479 the Nova festival were in any way, shape or form 1749 01:43:58.560 --> 01:44:02.600 any kind of enemy combat. To be to be shot, 1750 01:44:02.720 --> 01:44:04.560 to be mutilated, to be kidnapped, to be raped, to 1751 01:44:04.600 --> 01:44:05.880 be tortured, Like. 1752 01:44:06.079 --> 01:44:09.239 I agree, I mean that that is I agree, that 1753 01:44:09.479 --> 01:44:09.840 is all. 1754 01:44:09.760 --> 01:44:12.840 The hallmarks of a terrorist attack. To use horror in 1755 01:44:12.920 --> 01:44:14.600 order to change somebody's political opinion. 1756 01:44:15.479 --> 01:44:19.960 I agree, right, we agree on that. And like I said, 1757 01:44:20.199 --> 01:44:22.960 if someone sodomizes someone to death, that's also a terrorist 1758 01:44:23.039 --> 01:44:26.039 organization That's the only point that I'm making is like 1759 01:44:26.199 --> 01:44:29.079 the same standard across the board. It's a mole the government. 1760 01:44:29.079 --> 01:44:30.439 It's definitely a moral one. 1761 01:44:30.960 --> 01:44:34.279 Absolutely. I mean they're both I mean crimes against humanity 1762 01:44:34.399 --> 01:44:38.279 and war crimes. Absolutely. What I'm saying is that there 1763 01:44:38.319 --> 01:44:40.800 needs to be a standard across the board. You know, 1764 01:44:41.119 --> 01:44:43.199 just because Israel is doing it doesn't give them a 1765 01:44:43.359 --> 01:44:45.520 pass just because there's really I mean, just because they 1766 01:44:45.600 --> 01:44:48.359 have poor firepower and they have a full army. I 1767 01:44:48.840 --> 01:44:51.800 guarantee you one. This is the reason why I speak 1768 01:44:51.840 --> 01:44:54.159 out about this demosa, especially as American, and try to 1769 01:44:54.279 --> 01:44:57.880 get other people informed on this, is that Israel would 1770 01:44:57.880 --> 01:45:01.119 not be doing what it's doing if they didn't have 1771 01:45:01.199 --> 01:45:04.159 our support. They would not be picking fights in Syria 1772 01:45:04.199 --> 01:45:07.000 and Lebanon against his ballot. They would be looking for 1773 01:45:07.039 --> 01:45:09.560 a diplomatic way out. But the thing is is that 1774 01:45:09.680 --> 01:45:12.439 we support them, and we're funding them with our tax dollars, 1775 01:45:13.319 --> 01:45:15.880 and we are, you know, in some way complicit with this. 1776 01:45:16.039 --> 01:45:18.239 You know, we are our tax money it's going to 1777 01:45:18.399 --> 01:45:20.000 that and of course you know, we don't have a 1778 01:45:20.119 --> 01:45:20.520 choice of that. 1779 01:45:20.640 --> 01:45:25.680 But what do you see as a diplomatic way out 1780 01:45:25.720 --> 01:45:26.319 for Israel? 1781 01:45:29.760 --> 01:45:32.279 Remove all the settlements, the illegal settlements. They know they're illegal. 1782 01:45:35.239 --> 01:45:38.119 Give the Two States solutions brought us back into ninety 1783 01:45:38.159 --> 01:45:41.840 sixty seven, Allow the families that have been exiled to return. 1784 01:45:43.199 --> 01:45:46.199 This isn't like it's basically just undoing the things that 1785 01:45:46.199 --> 01:45:51.800 they're doing illegally. I honestly, it's a lot more articulated 1786 01:45:51.840 --> 01:45:54.199 and better well put than I could probably you know, 1787 01:45:54.840 --> 01:45:57.560 you know, vocalizes is the way the ic C foot 1788 01:45:57.600 --> 01:46:00.600 and everything that they're doing illegal can stop. 1789 01:46:01.039 --> 01:46:04.359 So was you guys are better at history than it 1790 01:46:04.479 --> 01:46:06.359 was in nineteen sixty seven? Was that was that the 1791 01:46:06.399 --> 01:46:07.000 Six Day War? 1792 01:46:07.840 --> 01:46:08.039 Yes? 1793 01:46:08.800 --> 01:46:12.840 So, so should they return Palestine or Gaza? Because Gaza 1794 01:46:12.920 --> 01:46:13.840 going to Egypt. 1795 01:46:13.600 --> 01:46:15.880 At that time? Correct or? I don't think it was 1796 01:46:15.960 --> 01:46:17.239 under the jan Jordan. 1797 01:46:17.520 --> 01:46:20.359 So should they return Gaza to Jordan and make it 1798 01:46:20.479 --> 01:46:21.359 part of Jordan again? 1799 01:46:22.920 --> 01:46:26.000 The difference between under Jordan rule is that they weren't 1800 01:46:26.319 --> 01:46:29.600 establishing settlements. They weren't kicking people and exiling people and 1801 01:46:29.640 --> 01:46:32.560 conducting at the cleansing and so you have to have 1802 01:46:32.680 --> 01:46:35.399 an ethnic majority in order to have a Jewish sovereignty. 1803 01:46:36.199 --> 01:46:38.680 Jordan wasn't doing that. Jordan must you know, I'm not 1804 01:46:38.760 --> 01:46:40.720 saying it by only means I'm not saying the monarchy 1805 01:46:40.800 --> 01:46:43.279 there is a good thing, but I'm also saying that 1806 01:46:43.840 --> 01:46:46.560 they weren't doing these illegal things and conducting violence on 1807 01:46:46.600 --> 01:46:48.800 a daily basis like they're doing in the West Bank 1808 01:46:49.039 --> 01:46:53.279 and currently in Gaza. This makes sense, sure, and the 1809 01:46:53.359 --> 01:46:56.159 same thing in Lebanon, you know, they picking fights with 1810 01:46:56.239 --> 01:46:59.079 Hebela Hesbola wouldn't exist, you know, if they didn't keep 1811 01:46:59.119 --> 01:47:04.079 trying to push into let On. I think one of 1812 01:47:04.159 --> 01:47:07.039 the things that also, like the history of Israel has 1813 01:47:07.079 --> 01:47:09.680 to be kept in consideration, especially during nineteen forty eight, 1814 01:47:09.760 --> 01:47:13.159 during the Nakba, when seven hundred and fifty thousand people 1815 01:47:13.159 --> 01:47:14.840 and they were like, oh, we give them five separate 1816 01:47:14.840 --> 01:47:17.760 peace deals, you know, and they were they rejected them all. 1817 01:47:17.960 --> 01:47:21.720 Like well, let's take something, for example, like Mexico saying 1818 01:47:21.800 --> 01:47:23.760 we're going to take Texas back it used to belong 1819 01:47:23.840 --> 01:47:26.560 to us. I guarantee you that there's some people that 1820 01:47:26.680 --> 01:47:29.359 still have like, hey, I remember this land being ours, 1821 01:47:30.279 --> 01:47:35.159 you know, generations ago, and they kicked out everybody, and 1822 01:47:35.239 --> 01:47:37.640 then anyone that stayed, they would lose their home. They 1823 01:47:37.640 --> 01:47:40.159 would have to get, you know, somewhere else. They would 1824 01:47:40.159 --> 01:47:43.359 Actually that's something to be argued, right, well, they're doing 1825 01:47:43.439 --> 01:47:46.159 the same thing, but they were the ethnic minority at 1826 01:47:46.159 --> 01:47:48.439 the time. There's always been Jews there. They've lived in 1827 01:47:48.760 --> 01:47:53.119 relative harmony with the Muslims and Christians, you know, for centuries. 1828 01:47:53.520 --> 01:47:56.399 And the Muslims aren't saying they want to eliminate them. 1829 01:47:56.399 --> 01:47:59.039 They want to eliminate the signs. They don't want to 1830 01:47:59.079 --> 01:48:01.159 eliminate the Jews. They can live in harmony and peace 1831 01:48:01.199 --> 01:48:03.079 with the Jews. They did under the Oltmann Empire for 1832 01:48:03.199 --> 01:48:08.159 centuries as well. It's just they don't want to be 1833 01:48:08.279 --> 01:48:10.880 wiped off or you know, risk losing their business or 1834 01:48:10.880 --> 01:48:13.840 their home, you know, because they might decide this is 1835 01:48:13.880 --> 01:48:16.079 the time to do, you know, to eliminate them from 1836 01:48:16.199 --> 01:48:18.479 this area and we're going to put the settlements in 1837 01:48:18.560 --> 01:48:24.079 this area, you know. I mean. The first terrorist attack 1838 01:48:24.199 --> 01:48:27.159 actually happened in July twenty second, nineteen forty six, where 1839 01:48:27.159 --> 01:48:29.920 the King David Hotel was bombed, and that was by 1840 01:48:30.399 --> 01:48:37.920 Zionist Jewish scientist part of the Stern Gang, and literally 1841 01:48:37.960 --> 01:48:39.960 they were dressed up as Arabs. They went into the 1842 01:48:40.079 --> 01:48:42.680 King David Hotel, blew up the south wing and killed 1843 01:48:42.760 --> 01:48:45.560 like ninety six people injuring or ninety people and Injuring 1844 01:48:45.640 --> 01:48:52.359 forty six. Then like you heard of I did a 1845 01:48:52.359 --> 01:48:55.279 little peace on this, you heard of Oscar Schindler, Schindler's List, 1846 01:48:55.479 --> 01:48:59.079 the movie The German Industrially is phenomenal man. He saved 1847 01:48:59.119 --> 01:49:00.920 like twelve hundred people FM the Holocaust, and you hear 1848 01:49:01.000 --> 01:49:04.000 them used in the Holocaust constantly like oh never again. 1849 01:49:04.119 --> 01:49:08.640 You know, the Holocaust happened to our people. Zienus is 1850 01:49:08.720 --> 01:49:11.600 a different thing. We're not people try to conflate, you know, 1851 01:49:11.680 --> 01:49:14.520 anti semit or is can be anti Zionism with anti Semitism, 1852 01:49:14.560 --> 01:49:17.520 which is not the case at all. Zionism is a 1853 01:49:17.600 --> 01:49:21.199 political arityeology that was started by Theodore Hertzel in the 1854 01:49:21.279 --> 01:49:26.279 late nineteenth century, and it literally has nothing to do 1855 01:49:26.479 --> 01:49:29.600 with the Zionist movement that was there. Is like a 1856 01:49:30.119 --> 01:49:38.680 colonial project. Fulke At Bernadotte was a Swedish soldier and 1857 01:49:38.760 --> 01:49:46.279 diplomat that negotiated with with Himmler, and it was such 1858 01:49:46.319 --> 01:49:49.399 a good negotiator. He was able to get save thirty 1859 01:49:49.520 --> 01:49:54.840 thousand people from concentration camps in Poland and Germany. He 1860 01:49:55.039 --> 01:49:57.279 was a phenomenal human being and a third of those 1861 01:49:57.319 --> 01:50:02.039 were Jews. In nineteen forty eight, he got positioned as 1862 01:50:02.079 --> 01:50:06.239 a UN as a mediator to trying to bring some 1863 01:50:06.359 --> 01:50:08.760 type of peace, you know between you know, what was 1864 01:50:08.840 --> 01:50:13.720 going on between the air blines that was there because 1865 01:50:13.760 --> 01:50:15.199 there was a lot of violence. 1866 01:50:15.000 --> 01:50:15.159 You know. 1867 01:50:15.319 --> 01:50:17.399 But if you imagine like all these people coming in 1868 01:50:17.479 --> 01:50:20.359 saying we're going to take your land, I mean, what 1869 01:50:20.439 --> 01:50:23.640 would you expect to happen? I mean again, it was 1870 01:50:23.720 --> 01:50:25.680 there like oh, this East belong to us, We're taking 1871 01:50:25.680 --> 01:50:27.800 it back. It's like Mexico coming into Texas saying we're 1872 01:50:27.840 --> 01:50:30.960 taking this back. So he was assigned there and he 1873 01:50:31.119 --> 01:50:34.680 was actually assassinated by the Stern Gang, and the leader 1874 01:50:34.680 --> 01:50:37.479 of the Stern Gang was actually yet Suk Shamir. He 1875 01:50:37.600 --> 01:50:41.319 ended up being Prime minister. Those three organizations, the Laife, 1876 01:50:41.960 --> 01:50:48.520 the Hargana and the Urgun terrorist groups got absorbed all 1877 01:50:48.560 --> 01:50:52.600 into the IDF. So literally those three terrorist groups are 1878 01:50:52.680 --> 01:50:56.119 the foundation for the IDF. These are the things that 1879 01:50:56.199 --> 01:50:57.960 you mean kind of keeping perspective on that. 1880 01:50:58.359 --> 01:51:05.840 I mean, I think a counterpoint that could be, please, uh, 1881 01:51:06.520 --> 01:51:11.920 that you have a culture who had just been through 1882 01:51:12.600 --> 01:51:19.880 a legitimate genocide, like a legitimate attempted genocide, and that 1883 01:51:21.000 --> 01:51:25.319 we're very and let's and let's be honest, name one 1884 01:51:25.439 --> 01:51:28.479 Middle Eastern country where the Jewish community has thrived, even 1885 01:51:28.520 --> 01:51:30.960 though at one point in time the diaspora was threat 1886 01:51:31.239 --> 01:51:35.119 was spread throughout the entire Middle East? Like, where what 1887 01:51:35.359 --> 01:51:37.920 country can you point to right now where the Jewish 1888 01:51:38.199 --> 01:51:40.319 community has thrived in the Middle East? 1889 01:51:42.159 --> 01:51:48.319 Thrived in which manner economically or grown not? There is 1890 01:51:48.319 --> 01:51:51.760 actually a pretty large Jewish community in Tehran. 1891 01:51:52.520 --> 01:51:57.760 In Tehran, and you know, and and so, and I mean, let's. 1892 01:51:57.600 --> 01:52:02.000 Think about five thousand, Yeah, about seven of dogs, five thousand, 1893 01:52:02.760 --> 01:52:03.560 five thousand Jews. 1894 01:52:03.640 --> 01:52:06.239 Yeah, I mean five. 1895 01:52:06.119 --> 01:52:07.880 Thousand is that? 1896 01:52:09.000 --> 01:52:14.319 Yes, I would I would argue that five thousand is 1897 01:52:14.399 --> 01:52:17.319 not necessarily thriving as a community. 1898 01:52:17.760 --> 01:52:19.039 That's what I was trying to see, Like, what what 1899 01:52:19.119 --> 01:52:21.239 do you mean by thriving? Though what I'm saying talking 1900 01:52:21.239 --> 01:52:23.760 about are you talking about You're talking about in Europe? 1901 01:52:23.840 --> 01:52:26.279 But yeah, the genocide didn't happen in the Middle East, correct, 1902 01:52:27.319 --> 01:52:28.399 what right? 1903 01:52:28.520 --> 01:52:29.880 But but Jews were very. 1904 01:52:29.840 --> 01:52:32.439 Wide Palestinians paying the price for it. Though, Jews were 1905 01:52:32.560 --> 01:52:40.720 very populous in the Middle East. So so they've always 1906 01:52:40.760 --> 01:52:42.000 been there, but they've been the minority. 1907 01:52:42.600 --> 01:52:47.720 Okay, fair enough, But the communities in those areas have 1908 01:52:47.840 --> 01:52:51.039 not grown. The communities in the Middle East have not grown. 1909 01:52:51.119 --> 01:52:53.840 So so all I'm saying is that you have this 1910 01:52:54.239 --> 01:52:56.960 group and again I am not justifying what the Stern 1911 01:52:57.039 --> 01:53:00.720 Gang or any of the other organizations did, but you 1912 01:53:00.880 --> 01:53:03.359 have this post World War II group of people who 1913 01:53:03.359 --> 01:53:09.239 had seen the legitimate, like attempted decimation of their society 1914 01:53:11.279 --> 01:53:16.720 and they're they're given this small area that they have 1915 01:53:17.000 --> 01:53:21.479 historically been have that they historically have roots to and 1916 01:53:21.600 --> 01:53:25.159 have been part of since I mean the Old Testament, 1917 01:53:25.239 --> 01:53:27.920 however old at least the Old Testament, however old that 1918 01:53:28.199 --> 01:53:33.399 is right, and they are fighting for what they believe 1919 01:53:33.720 --> 01:53:40.560 is an existential ah, you know, an existential dilemma, a 1920 01:53:40.680 --> 01:53:41.600 place to exist. 1921 01:53:41.760 --> 01:53:47.199 So and they and again I think we actually had 1922 01:53:47.479 --> 01:53:50.840 the same agreement that they've been there for millennium. Sure 1923 01:53:51.520 --> 01:53:54.039 we agree on that, sure means, but they weren't the 1924 01:53:54.079 --> 01:53:58.279 majority on that. And that is where the separation of 1925 01:53:58.760 --> 01:54:02.520 our I think we're we kind of disagree is if 1926 01:54:02.840 --> 01:54:05.600 why didn't Germany give up half of Germany to the Jews? 1927 01:54:06.680 --> 01:54:09.319 Germany was the one that was responsible for the Holocaust. 1928 01:54:09.399 --> 01:54:13.720 We agree on that, right, Sure not the Palestinians. Sure 1929 01:54:13.800 --> 01:54:16.000 Palestinians had nothing to do with that. They welcomed him 1930 01:54:16.039 --> 01:54:20.359 after nineteen forty eight. There, excuse me, let me refrase 1931 01:54:20.439 --> 01:54:23.800 that one real quick, after nineteen forty five. Excuse me. Sure. 1932 01:54:24.760 --> 01:54:27.680 And that's the whole thing is that, you know, there's 1933 01:54:27.680 --> 01:54:29.960 an argument to be made that Mexicans have been there 1934 01:54:30.319 --> 01:54:34.399 for millennia since the Aztecs. Right, they've been there for millennia, 1935 01:54:34.479 --> 01:54:37.920 so why can't they go back? So that's just not 1936 01:54:38.039 --> 01:54:40.079 something that's done and sort of use like a biblical 1937 01:54:40.199 --> 01:54:45.520 reference I think is now sorry, but it's kind of 1938 01:54:45.560 --> 01:54:48.600 a ridiculous type point because they're like, yeah, they're in 1939 01:54:48.640 --> 01:54:52.000 the minority. And if you look at the people are 1940 01:54:52.000 --> 01:54:54.079 saying there's only like a I think they said like 1941 01:54:54.279 --> 01:54:59.600 two hundred thousand Palestinians living in Palestine during nineteen forty eight. Yeah, 1942 01:54:59.640 --> 01:55:02.600 you're right, because but if you look at the numbers 1943 01:55:02.640 --> 01:55:04.960 from nineteen forty seven to nineteen forty six, there was 1944 01:55:05.039 --> 01:55:06.159 like one point three million. 1945 01:55:07.359 --> 01:55:11.920 But we're talking about Palestinians right as a country as 1946 01:55:12.079 --> 01:55:14.039 a people where. 1947 01:55:14.760 --> 01:55:16.680 Or Palestine doesn't exist for a long time. 1948 01:55:17.079 --> 01:55:20.800 And we're talking about Jews, a religious both an ethnic 1949 01:55:20.920 --> 01:55:28.039 and a religious group, right that so between Judaism the 1950 01:55:28.119 --> 01:55:33.680 Jews are religion and a people that we're calling Palestinians 1951 01:55:34.640 --> 01:55:38.159 who are Muslim, which didn't start until six hundred years 1952 01:55:38.199 --> 01:55:39.119 after Christianity. 1953 01:55:39.560 --> 01:55:44.039 Like, what is what is the blend? What's the mix there? 1954 01:55:44.199 --> 01:55:44.359 Right? 1955 01:55:44.600 --> 01:55:48.600 What are these people that we call Palestinians in this 1956 01:55:48.720 --> 01:55:52.960 place we call Palestine which has not existed for a 1957 01:55:53.079 --> 01:55:55.399 very long period of time, right, it. 1958 01:55:55.479 --> 01:55:58.600 Was years Palestine. 1959 01:55:59.279 --> 01:56:01.840 Yes, they've had their own currency, they've had their own 1960 01:56:01.880 --> 01:56:04.199 former government. But the thing is is that people are like, 1961 01:56:04.239 --> 01:56:07.000 well they were in a state. Well, there's a lot 1962 01:56:07.039 --> 01:56:09.560 of countries that weren't a state until you know, England 1963 01:56:09.600 --> 01:56:12.680 started carving up and France started coming up and saying, Okay, 1964 01:56:12.800 --> 01:56:16.119 these lines are going to be Iraq, these lines are 1965 01:56:16.119 --> 01:56:17.800 going to be Lebanon. I mean, I mean, if you 1966 01:56:17.880 --> 01:56:20.159 think about it, the Phoenicians were there before Lebanon, was 1967 01:56:21.479 --> 01:56:22.000 you know what I mean? 1968 01:56:22.159 --> 01:56:25.279 So when correct me if I'm wrong, was Palestine or 1969 01:56:25.319 --> 01:56:27.399 at least guys that was was that or part of 1970 01:56:27.399 --> 01:56:30.479 the Ottoman Empire prior to British colonialism. 1971 01:56:32.239 --> 01:56:34.800 So the amount Empire, so that was after World War two, 1972 01:56:35.640 --> 01:56:39.920 excuse me, excuse me, after World War One? So that 1973 01:56:40.039 --> 01:56:43.520 was one of the things between so the Arab the 1974 01:56:45.960 --> 01:56:50.039 the Arab tribes that were in the area. The U 1975 01:56:51.039 --> 01:56:54.960 because psychs agreement, was then making a deal with the 1976 01:56:55.279 --> 01:56:58.439 Arab tribes there that if they could help us defeat 1977 01:56:58.479 --> 01:57:00.239 Allman Empire, they would be able to get their own date. 1978 01:57:01.439 --> 01:57:03.880 And they got screwed out of that deal because they 1979 01:57:04.000 --> 01:57:06.199 actually helped them defeat All My Empire. I mean the 1980 01:57:06.920 --> 01:57:13.000 empire fell in like October twenty seventh, nineteen seventeen, and 1981 01:57:13.079 --> 01:57:17.079 then Armistice Day was November eleventh, nineteen seventeen. So that 1982 01:57:17.319 --> 01:57:20.279 was the key and pivotal moment in World War One 1983 01:57:20.359 --> 01:57:23.479 enemy because they were losing, you know, tragically up in 1984 01:57:23.840 --> 01:57:27.239 France and for trench warfare in France and Germany, they 1985 01:57:27.279 --> 01:57:31.600 were getting their asses kicked. And then after they won, 1986 01:57:31.840 --> 01:57:35.039 well they're like, well, hey, we're just going to take 1987 01:57:35.079 --> 01:57:37.119 you over now. And that's when the British Mandate came 1988 01:57:37.159 --> 01:57:39.560 over and they actually started occupying them in that area, 1989 01:57:40.399 --> 01:57:42.359 and so they were like, well, what the hell are 1990 01:57:42.399 --> 01:57:44.720 you guys doing, you know, I mean, we helped you 1991 01:57:44.800 --> 01:57:47.960 win this, and then they renicked on the deal and 1992 01:57:48.079 --> 01:57:50.239 they just you know, the British Mandate do we. 1993 01:57:50.319 --> 01:57:55.880 Have for Allen. Oh, it's gonna say, sorry, Alan, there's 1994 01:57:56.119 --> 01:57:58.079 the viewers. I'm going to see if they have any 1995 01:57:58.159 --> 01:58:00.720 questions for you. I know we've talking for a while. 1996 01:58:00.760 --> 01:58:05.000 I appreciate you know, providing your perspective and your experiences 1997 01:58:05.079 --> 01:58:07.239 that you had over there, but if you want to 1998 01:58:07.279 --> 01:58:09.479 finish your thought, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt. 1999 01:58:09.960 --> 01:58:13.239 No, no, no, no, no. Yeah. So I mean that's 2000 01:58:13.279 --> 01:58:14.680 one of the things that has to kind of keep 2001 01:58:14.680 --> 01:58:16.800 in mind is that you know, you're absolutely right, it 2002 01:58:16.880 --> 01:58:21.960 wasn't like an official Palestinian state, but it's to say 2003 01:58:22.079 --> 01:58:24.279 it doesn't mean that the Palestinian people haven't lived there, 2004 01:58:24.560 --> 01:58:27.199 you know what I mean, Like I said, Lebanese Lebanon 2005 01:58:27.399 --> 01:58:33.760 was created after you know, the French colonization, and the 2006 01:58:34.600 --> 01:58:37.520 the lines that were drawn were drawn by Western empires, 2007 01:58:37.680 --> 01:58:42.880 you know, by predominantly the unit the UK United Kingdom. 2008 01:58:44.359 --> 01:58:46.720 So that's the thing is to be made is that 2009 01:58:46.880 --> 01:58:49.720 you know they did have they didn't have presidents. They 2010 01:58:49.800 --> 01:59:02.720 had must the must must feet, most must mufties. Yes, sorry, 2011 01:59:03.640 --> 01:59:08.399 that mufties. One of the arguments that I heard before 2012 01:59:08.520 --> 01:59:11.840 is that that the muftes were like the Grand Mufti 2013 01:59:12.039 --> 01:59:17.119 was the one that met with aldof Hitler to suggest 2014 01:59:17.640 --> 01:59:21.640 the final solution, and I think that was in nineteen 2015 01:59:26.159 --> 01:59:29.640 nineteen forty two. I believe the problem with that argument 2016 01:59:29.760 --> 01:59:32.359 is that they already started building. He met with him 2017 01:59:32.359 --> 01:59:37.159 in November nineteen forty two, and they already started building 2018 01:59:37.359 --> 01:59:44.600 the the concentration camps in the death ovens in Poland 2019 01:59:45.520 --> 01:59:51.359 in June. But if you look up the Havara Agreement 2020 01:59:51.760 --> 01:59:55.279 of nineteen thirty three between Theodore Hertzel and Ottolf Hitler's 2021 01:59:55.319 --> 02:00:02.359 actually assigned contract between the two, he actually allowed designers 2022 02:00:02.520 --> 02:00:07.199 to actually leave and start the colonization of Palestine between 2023 02:00:07.239 --> 02:00:09.119 nineteen thirty three and nineteen thirty nine. I think it 2024 02:00:09.199 --> 02:00:14.119 was like sixty zero. And there's actually a coin to 2025 02:00:14.159 --> 02:00:16.560 commemorate that as the Star of David on one side 2026 02:00:16.560 --> 02:00:19.359 and the swastika on the other, transiting history. 2027 02:00:21.479 --> 02:00:25.159 Yeah, well thanks, like again, like I don't know a 2028 02:00:25.279 --> 02:00:28.199 ton about the region, especially since you've been there to 2029 02:00:28.279 --> 02:00:28.920 visit personally. 2030 02:00:29.159 --> 02:00:33.000 You know, I appreciate like your inside and your input. 2031 02:00:32.840 --> 02:00:33.199 On all that. 2032 02:00:35.000 --> 02:00:37.359 Real quick, some questions, Joe's gotcha, thank you very much. 2033 02:00:37.720 --> 02:00:42.279 What happened exactly with the sith slash crf are they 2034 02:00:42.359 --> 02:00:44.760 no longer a thing or did the concept evolve into 2035 02:00:44.840 --> 02:00:45.319 something else. 2036 02:00:47.359 --> 02:00:50.600 So, no, they don't exist anymore. They actually they got 2037 02:00:50.680 --> 02:00:56.479 disbanded I think in twenty nineteen, I think is when 2038 02:00:56.760 --> 02:00:59.680 they actually got disbanded. The exact reason. 2039 02:01:00.119 --> 02:01:02.079 Sure, to be honest with you, yeah I can, I 2040 02:01:02.119 --> 02:01:06.279 can actually help out a little bit, Alan So I 2041 02:01:06.359 --> 02:01:10.239 wrote actually about this is what happened was that for 2042 02:01:10.359 --> 02:01:13.159 the first time, the Special Forces Commander, the use of 2043 02:01:13.239 --> 02:01:16.239 SOAC commander, and the SOCOM commander, none of them were 2044 02:01:16.239 --> 02:01:22.840 SIFF guys, and that was their opportunity to do away 2045 02:01:22.880 --> 02:01:26.000 with the SIF. And so they put a memo forward 2046 02:01:26.359 --> 02:01:30.680 to Christopher Miller and I can't remember if I don't 2047 02:01:30.680 --> 02:01:32.199 think he was sec deaf at the time. I think 2048 02:01:32.239 --> 02:01:36.319 he was at ASD Solik, and uh, he signed off 2049 02:01:36.399 --> 02:01:40.279 on it because this is what the commanders wanted. And 2050 02:01:40.439 --> 02:01:43.520 so at that point the the SIF lost the Jasock 2051 02:01:43.640 --> 02:01:46.680 mission and that that doesn't exist anymore. And today they 2052 02:01:46.720 --> 02:01:49.920 became what's called the c TAC, the Critical Threat Advisory Companies, 2053 02:01:50.359 --> 02:01:54.680 and they still have a direct action mission, a counter 2054 02:01:54.920 --> 02:01:57.760 w m D mission. They still have an important mission. 2055 02:01:58.520 --> 02:01:59.960 But no, they're not the SIF anymore. 2056 02:02:02.000 --> 02:02:04.640 Thank I just learned something new. I've been hearing different 2057 02:02:04.680 --> 02:02:06.880 rumors here and there about it, so I'm got to 2058 02:02:06.960 --> 02:02:10.079 breach some clarity. Appreciate that. Yeah, and who who asked 2059 02:02:10.079 --> 02:02:11.319 that question? Uh? 2060 02:02:11.439 --> 02:02:13.199 That was let me h, that was. 2061 02:02:15.000 --> 02:02:15.640 Joe's gotcha. 2062 02:02:16.119 --> 02:02:18.479 Thank you very much, Thanks Chos Joackon. I appreciate that 2063 02:02:18.640 --> 02:02:19.520 I learned something today. 2064 02:02:19.960 --> 02:02:22.680 Ryan Parsons, thank you very much. Alan is awesome and 2065 02:02:22.960 --> 02:02:25.000 the We Defy Foundation is great. 2066 02:02:25.399 --> 02:02:25.600 Yes. 2067 02:02:25.760 --> 02:02:28.800 Please Uh it's WEDIFI dot org. 2068 02:02:29.880 --> 02:02:31.239 We Defy Foundation dot org. 2069 02:02:31.520 --> 02:02:34.239 We Defy Foundation. And that's for those who are listening. 2070 02:02:34.640 --> 02:02:40.079 It's w E Defy d e f Y Foundation dot org. 2071 02:02:40.159 --> 02:02:44.840 Please check them out. M Corbyn, thank you much. Have 2072 02:02:45.000 --> 02:02:50.039 you encountered the term uh athrogenesis in fitness? It refers 2073 02:02:50.079 --> 02:02:54.960 to our arterial smooth muscle growth and do you have 2074 02:02:55.079 --> 02:02:58.199 any thoughts on on training methods related to it? 2075 02:03:00.119 --> 02:03:03.680 Wow, that's actually the first time I've heard that. To 2076 02:03:03.760 --> 02:03:08.359 be honest with you, the honestly that the same turning 2077 02:03:08.399 --> 02:03:11.159 methods I use right now is like the off season 2078 02:03:12.279 --> 02:03:16.279 Olympic lifting programming that I used to do. Because you 2079 02:03:16.560 --> 02:03:21.079 can't maintain an Olympic lifting regiment for a whole year 2080 02:03:21.159 --> 02:03:23.560 round you can only do it like a couple months 2081 02:03:23.560 --> 02:03:26.199 ahead of time before competition because it's very specialized. But 2082 02:03:26.960 --> 02:03:33.039 the general general programming for Olympic lifting on the off 2083 02:03:33.159 --> 02:03:36.159 season is actually what I still use, and so that's 2084 02:03:36.199 --> 02:03:38.560 pretty much what I've been sticking to, and a little 2085 02:03:38.600 --> 02:03:43.119 bit of adding a little bit more volume, a little 2086 02:03:43.159 --> 02:03:45.800 more volume to it for the endurance side. 2087 02:03:48.720 --> 02:03:54.840 Actually Cormyn it was he re corrected it arterio genos genesis. 2088 02:03:55.039 --> 02:03:57.279 So I guess like the creation of new arteries or 2089 02:03:57.279 --> 02:04:01.079 at least like the branch of new vessels. 2090 02:04:02.479 --> 02:04:04.640 Now I'll have to look into that. It sounds interesting, 2091 02:04:07.960 --> 02:04:08.840 uh fe. 2092 02:04:10.239 --> 02:04:12.960 Mafeitis, thank you very much, thanks for the show. 2093 02:04:13.079 --> 02:04:13.640 Love you guys. 2094 02:04:13.720 --> 02:04:22.000 Though I'm Malding in chat. What is maldingd like shutting like? Okay, 2095 02:04:23.800 --> 02:04:27.199 ask your guest to check out his historical timelines regarding 2096 02:04:27.359 --> 02:04:30.159 israel pull out of Gaza and Hamas. 2097 02:04:29.840 --> 02:04:31.840 Takeover, as well as most of his others. 2098 02:04:31.840 --> 02:04:35.199 Okay, that is. 2099 02:04:35.960 --> 02:04:37.399 Do we have any questions on Patreon? 2100 02:04:39.359 --> 02:04:41.119 I think we have one. 2101 02:04:43.720 --> 02:04:49.039 Guys, appreciate you sticking around for this conversation tonight. Please 2102 02:04:49.079 --> 02:04:51.119 give a shout out. I'd like to give a shout 2103 02:04:51.119 --> 02:04:53.159 out to our friends at Casa Carabo Cigars. 2104 02:04:53.680 --> 02:04:53.800 Uh. 2105 02:04:54.159 --> 02:04:56.560 Good friend of mine runs the company. He's also a 2106 02:04:56.600 --> 02:05:00.399 Special Forces veteran. And check out our patren if you 2107 02:05:00.439 --> 02:05:02.399 want to get access to these episodes ad free. There's 2108 02:05:02.399 --> 02:05:04.399 a link down the description. It will also be a 2109 02:05:04.479 --> 02:05:07.720 link to the foundation. Not Alan works with Alan? 2110 02:05:07.840 --> 02:05:09.359 Are there? Is there anything else you want to plug 2111 02:05:09.399 --> 02:05:12.439 aside from we defy anything else you're involved with it. 2112 02:05:12.720 --> 02:05:14.079 People can get involved. 2113 02:05:13.760 --> 02:05:24.640 In Man Coast to Coast Foundation to be one of 2114 02:05:24.680 --> 02:05:31.560 them great organization Special Forces Foundation. Uh, I know those 2115 02:05:31.600 --> 02:05:40.319 two guys that the guys involved in directly really legit organizations. Uh, 2116 02:05:41.000 --> 02:05:46.279 of course Green Gray Foundation is another good one, coming 2117 02:05:46.319 --> 02:05:46.920 off guard on that. 2118 02:05:48.880 --> 02:05:51.000 That's okay, you think about it. We got one more questions. 2119 02:05:51.039 --> 02:05:52.479 You have a question from Patreon. 2120 02:05:52.640 --> 02:05:55.560 Yeah, we got one question from Sean Dudley. Do you 2121 02:05:55.640 --> 02:05:58.680 happen to know the history of why US Special Forces 2122 02:05:58.800 --> 02:06:01.720 units are structured the way they are? It seems like 2123 02:06:01.800 --> 02:06:05.079 it must have been based on a very specific mission profile. 2124 02:06:06.920 --> 02:06:07.439 Asking there. 2125 02:06:10.000 --> 02:06:12.760 Basically, I mean, I guess assuming it's the team's broken 2126 02:06:12.840 --> 02:06:15.760 up that way, Odie is broken up to twelve so 2127 02:06:15.840 --> 02:06:17.760 they can split them in two. So you have the 2128 02:06:18.000 --> 02:06:19.960 warrant officer that can go and split into one, and 2129 02:06:20.000 --> 02:06:22.640 you have two Bravos to delta excise me two medics 2130 02:06:22.680 --> 02:06:25.960 to como guys and split off that way. The difference 2131 02:06:26.159 --> 02:06:28.439 is that I was actually never on a conventional team. 2132 02:06:28.720 --> 02:06:31.560 I was always on the SIF where we had cells 2133 02:06:32.960 --> 02:06:38.880 and a troops. So my history other than how it's 2134 02:06:38.880 --> 02:06:41.119 broken down like a back in the Vietnam time frame 2135 02:06:41.159 --> 02:06:47.439 where they're kind of first emerged, is lacking. And I've 2136 02:06:47.439 --> 02:06:48.840 been hitting out a lot, so I used that as 2137 02:06:48.880 --> 02:06:50.119 my excuse. So he. 2138 02:06:51.640 --> 02:06:59.359 Sean Dudley, is it the first off, thanks for joining 2139 02:06:59.760 --> 02:07:03.079 our channel, like, thanks for subscribing to the channel. And 2140 02:07:03.319 --> 02:07:06.720 I think he says a question above for clarification troop 2141 02:07:06.880 --> 02:07:10.680 level specialization as the size and composition teams, companies, the 2142 02:07:10.840 --> 02:07:12.359 role of b teams, et cetera. 2143 02:07:13.199 --> 02:07:15.159 Well, yeah, I mean, of course, of course he's correct. 2144 02:07:15.199 --> 02:07:18.640 I mean they're structured for specific to asks absolutely. 2145 02:07:20.439 --> 02:07:24.119 So the team for support and drivers and gunners, and 2146 02:07:24.199 --> 02:07:27.039 then you have the guys on the teams that are 2147 02:07:27.439 --> 02:07:30.479 specific into the operators. But the thing is is that 2148 02:07:30.800 --> 02:07:33.399 the guys on the team, like I was a Bravo, 2149 02:07:33.720 --> 02:07:36.039 but at the same time I was also doing TQ 2150 02:07:36.439 --> 02:07:40.239 and I was leading now, so I mean people break up, 2151 02:07:40.439 --> 02:07:43.359 you know, have specific jobs, but also cross train into everything. 2152 02:07:44.720 --> 02:07:46.840 I think that's one of the biggest misconceptions is that 2153 02:07:47.000 --> 02:07:50.720 Hollywood gives offs. If that were like every Special Forces 2154 02:07:50.800 --> 02:07:53.159 guys is like a computer hacker and knows how to 2155 02:07:53.239 --> 02:07:57.239 fly a plane, and can you know, there's so much 2156 02:07:57.479 --> 02:07:59.800 because we specialize in that. Like for example, in this, 2157 02:08:00.079 --> 02:08:03.439 I mean we spent at least one week a month 2158 02:08:03.520 --> 02:08:07.399 on the range in the shootouse on the flat range, 2159 02:08:08.880 --> 02:08:13.279 when regular teams like were spending you know, maybe one 2160 02:08:13.319 --> 02:08:15.640 week every three months on the range because they were 2161 02:08:15.720 --> 02:08:20.000 like dive specialists or there were ruck teams or halo teams, 2162 02:08:20.079 --> 02:08:21.680 so they had, you know, a lot more of the 2163 02:08:21.800 --> 02:08:24.880 things to do than just shoot because you know, their 2164 02:08:24.920 --> 02:08:29.159 mission was different. So it's nothing you know, better or worse, 2165 02:08:29.479 --> 02:08:31.039 it's just what they specialized in. 2166 02:08:32.039 --> 02:08:34.840 I just happened to see a comment that I feel 2167 02:08:34.960 --> 02:08:38.880 like might be somebody, you know, just because it was 2168 02:08:39.319 --> 02:08:44.920 ground and pound ninety ground and pound ninety seven, ask 2169 02:08:45.039 --> 02:08:47.079 him if seals are better than sith. 2170 02:08:47.600 --> 02:08:55.960 Like I feel like that somebody, man, you don't have 2171 02:08:56.039 --> 02:08:57.720 to answer that, you. 2172 02:08:57.760 --> 02:08:59.920 Know what, I'll ask Jocko want to see him next week. 2173 02:09:00.920 --> 02:09:04.920 There you go, Alan, I mean, thank you so much 2174 02:09:05.000 --> 02:09:08.359 for sharing your story with us and in your perspectives 2175 02:09:08.439 --> 02:09:12.079 with us and everything going on to wrap up, do 2176 02:09:12.079 --> 02:09:14.760 you want to tell us what's what's next for Alan Schabarro. 2177 02:09:15.359 --> 02:09:16.920 You've had an interesting journey so far. 2178 02:09:17.960 --> 02:09:27.199 Man. Honestly, like for myself, I am life is short. 2179 02:09:27.239 --> 02:09:28.920 I want to live it to the fullest. So I 2180 02:09:29.000 --> 02:09:31.439 am actually going to be leaving. I'm doing a five 2181 02:09:31.479 --> 02:09:33.199 week road trip. I'm going to be teaching at the 2182 02:09:33.479 --> 02:09:37.199 Origin Camp and Maine in a couple of weeks. And 2183 02:09:38.000 --> 02:09:39.479 so I'm doing a road trip with a good friend 2184 02:09:39.479 --> 02:09:41.960 of mine all the way up to Maine and back 2185 02:09:42.119 --> 02:09:44.840 and stopping along the way so we defy affiliates and 2186 02:09:45.000 --> 02:09:47.039 kind of teaching clinics and kind of meet the veterans 2187 02:09:47.079 --> 02:09:51.479 that are involved. It has grown tremendously since since they 2188 02:09:51.560 --> 02:09:55.760 started it in twenty fifteen along with Joey Bozick, and 2189 02:09:56.640 --> 02:09:58.640 I want to meet the people that are involved. And 2190 02:09:59.119 --> 02:10:02.000 we have so many people that I have no idea 2191 02:10:02.079 --> 02:10:03.800 who else is involved in it. I mean we have 2192 02:10:03.920 --> 02:10:07.399 thousands of people. Give me a chance to meet and 2193 02:10:07.560 --> 02:10:09.520 thank a lot of the owners and the affiliates that 2194 02:10:09.640 --> 02:10:12.239 are a part of this, and the mentors and ambassadors, 2195 02:10:12.279 --> 02:10:14.079 and we have so many of them, and I would 2196 02:10:14.119 --> 02:10:15.800 love to get to meet them all, but unfortunately, and 2197 02:10:15.840 --> 02:10:19.079 we're stuck with the East Coast. When I get back, 2198 02:10:20.960 --> 02:10:23.479 I'm literally I sold everything that I own except for 2199 02:10:23.560 --> 02:10:26.920 my defender, and I'm just going to travel. I'm going 2200 02:10:26.960 --> 02:10:29.800 to start Southeast Asia. Have no plan, I have no schedule. 2201 02:10:30.520 --> 02:10:34.840 I might stay three or six months in Cambodia, then 2202 02:10:34.960 --> 02:10:38.399 move on to Laos and Thailand, Vietnam, Indonesia, and Malaysia. 2203 02:10:39.119 --> 02:10:41.039 I've never been to Africa, so I'm going to head 2204 02:10:41.079 --> 02:10:44.640 over there. But I actually want to experience, you know, 2205 02:10:44.760 --> 02:10:47.880 the place and actually get a good feel for it. 2206 02:10:48.000 --> 02:10:49.840 So I'm not going to spend like a week or two. 2207 02:10:49.840 --> 02:10:51.800 I'm going to spend, you know, at least a couple 2208 02:10:51.840 --> 02:10:52.720 of months in each place. 2209 02:10:52.800 --> 02:10:55.199 And yeah, dude, send us a post card. 2210 02:10:55.239 --> 02:10:56.520 Well, I was going to say, I really hope you 2211 02:10:56.600 --> 02:10:59.439 start a travel blog, like we will definitely pump you like, 2212 02:11:00.239 --> 02:11:04.479 you know, that would be something fascinating to see you well. 2213 02:11:04.560 --> 02:11:06.720 And he was saying he's going to take his gee 2214 02:11:07.199 --> 02:11:10.039 and do some ju role while he's traveling around that 2215 02:11:10.199 --> 02:11:13.760 that's that would be an interesting entry way into that topic. 2216 02:11:14.640 --> 02:11:16.520 I think that's the best way of kind of getting 2217 02:11:16.800 --> 02:11:20.439 to know the locals and to know like because I 2218 02:11:20.520 --> 02:11:22.800 found jiu jitsu schools. I was just doing a random 2219 02:11:22.840 --> 02:11:25.159 search and I actually found jiu jitsu schools in Laos 2220 02:11:25.359 --> 02:11:28.079 and in uh in Cambodia. Of all places, you know, 2221 02:11:28.239 --> 02:11:30.560 there's like three or four. I found the Malaysia and Doodesia. 2222 02:11:31.960 --> 02:11:34.640 There's several in the Philippines. And so that's going to 2223 02:11:34.680 --> 02:11:36.520 be kind of like like I said, I don't have 2224 02:11:36.600 --> 02:11:38.760 a plan yet. Yeah, I don't have a schedule. I 2225 02:11:38.800 --> 02:11:40.439 think that's the beauty of this whole thing is that 2226 02:11:40.920 --> 02:11:43.079 I just want to spend as much time, you know, 2227 02:11:43.159 --> 02:11:45.760 maybe the next four or five years just traveling around. 2228 02:11:47.399 --> 02:11:51.680 And I'm gonna use you know, my uh my jiu 2229 02:11:51.760 --> 02:11:55.439 jitsu as like a kind of like my diplomatic card 2230 02:11:55.520 --> 02:11:58.520 in a sense, you know too, it's my international language. 2231 02:11:58.560 --> 02:12:00.520 I may not speak the local language, but I can 2232 02:12:00.560 --> 02:12:02.640 speak jiu jitsu, and so can they. And I think 2233 02:12:02.680 --> 02:12:04.119 that's going to be what the beauty of this all 2234 02:12:04.279 --> 02:12:06.720 is going to be. I'm not gonna be living at 2235 02:12:06.720 --> 02:12:09.239 the RITZ by any means, you know, but that's my 2236 02:12:09.319 --> 02:12:12.520 whole point. There is just too experience and live life. 2237 02:12:13.119 --> 02:12:14.800 That's fantastic for sure. 2238 02:12:15.199 --> 02:12:18.119 No, Alan, please check in with us man and I'll 2239 02:12:18.159 --> 02:12:19.720 be interested to talk to you in a couple of 2240 02:12:19.800 --> 02:12:23.560 years and see what the next adventure brings. And for 2241 02:12:23.680 --> 02:12:26.279 people watching, next week, we'll be back with Chuck Simpson, 2242 02:12:26.479 --> 02:12:30.199 a seventh Special Forces Group guy. I'm sure he has 2243 02:12:30.359 --> 02:12:34.560 lots of stories. And again, Alan, thank you for you know, 2244 02:12:34.720 --> 02:12:36.560 I know this was kind of like a last minute 2245 02:12:36.600 --> 02:12:39.039 thing that sort of all came together haphazardly, and I 2246 02:12:39.119 --> 02:12:40.640 really appreciate you making the time for it. 2247 02:12:41.560 --> 02:12:45.039 Thank you guys. It's been a great conversation. And appreciate 2248 02:12:45.079 --> 02:12:47.720 all the questions and actually learned some stuff as well today. 2249 02:12:47.760 --> 02:12:50.079 So thanks guys, I really appreciate it. 2250 02:12:50.199 --> 02:12:52.199 I really hope you do start like a travel blog 2251 02:12:52.319 --> 02:12:53.359 like a channel. 2252 02:12:53.680 --> 02:12:55.960 It would be great to see like all the different 2253 02:12:56.000 --> 02:12:59.479 places you go and you know, like you say, like 2254 02:12:59.560 --> 02:13:03.039 you just such a great way to integrate with whatever culture. 2255 02:13:02.840 --> 02:13:08.600 With Absolutely yeah, it's a really good idea. 2256 02:13:10.479 --> 02:13:13.119 All right, thank you everyone, and we'll see you next week. 2257 02:13:13.880 --> 02:13:14.720 All right, Thanks guys,