Speaker 1: Hello everyone, Welcome back to a new episode of the
Speaker 1: Poker Go Podcast. My name is Donnie Peters. His name
Speaker 1: is Tim Duckworth. It's been a month. Yeah, it has
Speaker 1: been a month. Ye. I don't think it's been fully
Speaker 1: a month. So, I mean, I know we promised pretty
Speaker 1: much going back to weekly cadence, but you know, needed
Speaker 1: some rest and relaxation slash laziness slash not laziness because
Speaker 1: we're gotten the way. But we're back. We are back.
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Speaker 1: You put some stuff on it. I feel like this
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Speaker 1: you know we'll make it work. Of course for you guys.
Speaker 1: It is Thursday, August fourteenth. Got to do the time.
Speaker 1: It's one. We're gonna take it back in time a
Speaker 1: little bit. We're gonna wrap up SOMEBSIP stuff. Not gonna
Speaker 1: be talking about it too much, but there are some
Speaker 1: results that we didn't hit on that. I just want
Speaker 1: to kind of mention, you know, put a bow on that,
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna lead into the play Player of
Speaker 1: the Year. There were some, uh what's some debate around
Speaker 1: the WAP Player of the Year that I kind of
Speaker 1: want to get Tim's thoughts on. Of course I'll try
Speaker 1: and give mine as well. Just some general w SIPPY stats.
Speaker 1: Coming off of that, we're gonna wrap up twenty five
Speaker 1: K Fantasy. We did not win wamp wamp but whatever,
Speaker 1: not a big deal. It is what it is. Uh,
Speaker 1: the PGT leader board, we got to hit on that.
Speaker 1: We're coming off a big season, a lot of sp
Speaker 1: events qualified. Of course there was the Aria high Roller
Speaker 1: events that played a big part in it as well.
Speaker 1: So we'll touch on where the pg leaderboard stands because
Speaker 1: we are about two two and a half weeks out
Speaker 1: from the PGT coming back. September is a massive, shout out,
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Speaker 1: Get on that. All right, Let's slide into these long
Speaker 1: overdue do ws AP results that we need to touch on.
Speaker 1: First up, Chad Evesledge won the twenty five k horse
Speaker 1: He topped the field of one hundred and fifty entries
Speaker 1: to win eight hundred and eighty three thousand dollars, his
Speaker 1: fourth gold bracelet. This event had one hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: entries last year, so a nice big uptick from the
Speaker 1: year prior. Eas Sledge defeated Brian rast, Toby Lewis was third,
Speaker 1: Notcho Barbara fourth, Ryan Miller fifth, Phil Ivy sixth, John
Speaker 1: Hennigan seventh, and Chris hunikin Big Huny eighth place. In
Speaker 1: that event, Andrew astub Chenko finally got his gold bracelet.
Speaker 1: He finished second in the twenty five k earlier in
Speaker 1: the series. Here he wins the five K no ole
Speaker 1: him at hold him to close out his summer. An
Speaker 1: enormous summer for Andrew Ostupchenko. He got his first goal bracelet.
Speaker 1: This win here earned him six hundred and six thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: He topped a field of seven hundred and thirty five entries.
Speaker 1: I don't think there is an event that corresponds to
Speaker 1: last year so for this specific one, and I don't
Speaker 1: think there was a five K this late. I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure there was seven thirty five entries, and I remember
Speaker 1: trying to look up if there was a you know,
Speaker 1: relating field size to see if this one went up
Speaker 1: or down, and I couldn't find one unless I'm just
Speaker 1: a total idiot, which could certainly be the case. Ostap
Speaker 1: Chenko won more than two million dollars at the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five WSIP. I mentioned that he had that big
Speaker 1: score second place in the twenty five K that was
Speaker 1: more than a million dollars. He also went on to
Speaker 1: finish third in a Venetian event after this win for
Speaker 1: eighty five K.
Speaker 2: There this event ninety nine.
Speaker 3: Is a defending champion, Matthew Alasante. It was that like
Speaker 3: early in the series. Yeah, it's probably one of those
Speaker 3: ones that they moved around.
Speaker 1: I really don't like when they moved them around.
Speaker 3: You gotta put away you, uh where do you think
Speaker 3: they kind of fool best?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't.
Speaker 2: Last year was event eighty seven, so it's failing.
Speaker 1: So that's that's my fault. I'm the idiot. I mean
Speaker 1: I said I could have been the idiot. I'm the idiot,
Speaker 1: all right, So there's that. Now. Interesting note about Andrew
Speaker 1: Ostupchenko here. He was on his own team in twenty
Speaker 1: five K team Liaison, and his win here allowed them
Speaker 1: to finish in fifth place, which is in the money,
Speaker 1: so more money in astib Chenko's pocket. So austin Chenko
Speaker 1: first place, six hundred and six K, Brandon Wilson second place,
Speaker 1: four or four, David O. dB Baker shout out ODB
Speaker 1: two hundred and eighty three k for him Van van
Speaker 1: Merdino magas K. I probably butchered the living crap out
Speaker 1: of that one. I'm out of I'm out of rhythm,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm trying to figure these names out on
Speaker 1: the fly. Two hundred and one k for him, Joseph
Speaker 1: sob Or Sabie, also butchering that last name. One hundred
Speaker 1: and forty five K. Sam Lasquitz got sixth place. Pat
Speaker 1: Lyons World Famous pat Lyons got seventh place, and Marcos
Speaker 1: Scurl got eighth place. In that one, Lucas Zascodni wins
Speaker 1: the closer top in a field of four two hundred
Speaker 1: and ninety seven entries fifteen hundred dollars by and there
Speaker 1: he took home six hundred and forty eight thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Richard Ali second, Lock Chan third, Thing Tran fourth, Adrian
Speaker 1: Tivodar fifth, Dylan Lamby kind of close to Dylan Lindy
Speaker 1: in terms of the spell. Yeah, I mean it might be,
Speaker 1: is it. Huh, It's not Dylan Lindy, Like I didn't
Speaker 1: like mistake that or something in auto correct or something.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just making sure it's been it's been
Speaker 1: almost four weeks so I'm trying to figure this out.
Speaker 1: Jimmy Settina seventh, Victor Cavallero eighth, and Tiwi II got
Speaker 1: ninth place. There, Mitchell Hinem, you, oh boy, right, my boy.
Speaker 1: If you guys remember this, A hole busted me in
Speaker 1: the WS event, his ace, Queen, my kings. I will
Speaker 1: never forget Mitchell Heinem. But congrats to you, sir. You
Speaker 1: went on to win the one K Super Turbo, topping
Speaker 1: the field of nineteen hundred and thirty five entries. I
Speaker 1: say it all in jest with the whole coming at you.
Speaker 1: But if I see you at the table and I
Speaker 1: have ase, Queen, I'm never fooled. Ever, I gotta repay it. Okay.
Speaker 1: He finished forty ninth in the main event after busting
Speaker 1: my ass cast for two hundred K. So he casts
Speaker 1: for two hundred K in the main event. Then he
Speaker 1: goes on to win this turbo for two hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty seven thousand, almost two hundred and thirty eight thousand, So
Speaker 1: pretty good week or so for Mitchell Heinem. Not off
Speaker 1: bitten second place, Kai Tanaka third place, Nevin Chang fourth,
Speaker 1: Jacob Parent fifth, Lucas Hafner sixth, Brettschaef for seventh, Paulina Loliger,
Speaker 1: she is a what's her poker bunnyy eighth place, Alex
Speaker 1: Duval ninth place. That all takes us too. The WSP
Speaker 1: Player of the Year which went two. My boy Sean Deep,
Speaker 1: Your boy Sean Deep his second time winning it. He
Speaker 1: won in twenty eighteen. He wins it in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: He joins Daniel Legrand who as the only two time
Speaker 1: winners of the WSP Player of the Year award. Of course,
Speaker 1: it has not been around forever. It was installed in
Speaker 1: two thousand and four. Nigraney won it in two thousand
Speaker 1: and four. He then won it in twenty thirteen. Deep
Speaker 1: got first in the one hundred k PO events for
Speaker 1: almost three million dollars. He got second in the fifteen
Speaker 1: hundred dollars RAS for eighty four K second you know
Speaker 1: one k Nolan hold him for one hundred and fifty four
Speaker 1: k second in an online event, which I think one
Speaker 1: online event counts one on my cash counts. And then
Speaker 1: third in the ten k PLO eight that was the
Speaker 1: one that Phil Sternheimer won. Sean Deep took home a
Speaker 1: three hundred and forty eight K There The question that
Speaker 1: everyone was debating is should Sean Deep have won? Benny
Speaker 1: Clauser won three bracelets, won them pretty early the series,
Speaker 1: all things considered, Michael Msrocky the Grinder won the fifty
Speaker 1: KPPC then won the WSP main event. There was a
Speaker 1: lot of debates.
Speaker 3: I mean, what do you think it's undebatable because there's
Speaker 3: a scoring system. Everyone is aware of the scoring system
Speaker 3: heading into the World Series, and his results put him
Speaker 3: on top. Now we can't say that, hey, Benny didn't
Speaker 3: have a great World Series and Grinder didn't have a
Speaker 3: world's great World Series and all these other guys like
Speaker 3: Mark Gabrell and you know, we can the list goes on.
Speaker 3: But everyone was equal fording heading into the World Series
Speaker 3: with a scoring system that is send me public, right.
Speaker 3: You have to do some calculations and figure it out,
Speaker 3: but yeah, it's available just like ours is. So I
Speaker 3: don't think it's unfair at all. You can make an
Speaker 3: argument that, hey, should things be weighed differently, like does
Speaker 3: winning the fifty KPPC, winning the ten k main event
Speaker 3: and cashing I think thirteen times total?
Speaker 2: Is that better than what he did?
Speaker 3: Now that's going to be a personal opinion if people
Speaker 3: really think that's the case and they need to change
Speaker 3: the scoring. But he did everything within the parameters that
Speaker 3: were outlined heading into the World Series, so I don't
Speaker 3: think it's even debatable.
Speaker 1: I agree with you, D one. Based on the scoring
Speaker 1: criteria as outlined ahead of time. Everyone knows this criteria
Speaker 1: going in. They know, you know, it's this many live cashes,
Speaker 1: it's one online cash that counts. It's you know, you
Speaker 1: can't just rack up eight thousand cases you have, it's capped,
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. So yeah, based on the
Speaker 1: scoring system, D one, he's the winner. I mean that
Speaker 1: that's just how it is. At one point, Benny Klauser
Speaker 1: had won three bracelets and wasn't even technically eligible to
Speaker 1: win Player of the Year because he didn't have enough cases. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he also have to be a minimum threshold five cashes, right,
Speaker 1: it's five or six.
Speaker 2: One or the other.
Speaker 1: But he would like I think, you know, it's like
Speaker 1: he had three cashes and three bracelet wins or whatever,
Speaker 1: and you know it wasn't technically eligible until he hit
Speaker 1: that cash threshold. So I find it interesting the Play
Speaker 1: of the Year because it seems like every year a
Speaker 1: good portion of the one percenters, the Deeps, the helm Use,
Speaker 1: the Negroan New's josh Aria, like all these guys, they
Speaker 1: always rant and rave about Player of the Year, and
Speaker 1: yet the scoring system probably needs work. I think it
Speaker 1: needs work. I don't know exactly how I would do it,
Speaker 1: but I think it does need some sort of fine tuning.
Speaker 1: So there's that. Also the fact that you don't really
Speaker 1: get anything. I mean, you get I think you obviously
Speaker 1: get a banner, and you get I think a ten
Speaker 1: k seat to the end.
Speaker 3: Of a say, and you do get a trophy. Deep
Speaker 3: did show me his trophy? Yes, I mean it's not
Speaker 3: like a bracelet. It's literally just a trophy.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it may be cool. I make it a
Speaker 2: bracelet to be honest.
Speaker 1: Uh No, I don't think so. No, but I think
Speaker 1: you should. I think with as it's pretty clear that
Speaker 1: all these players, and they're they're pretty top tier players,
Speaker 1: carry crap ton about this. Yeah, And I would say
Speaker 1: that the WSOPE cares enough because they obviously want to
Speaker 1: celebrate it by putting a banner. The only other people
Speaker 1: that get banners are THESTREMIINU event winners, right, So I
Speaker 1: just think they need to They need to add more
Speaker 1: to this and maybe now we get that under the
Speaker 1: GG poker umbrella right where they dedicate some funds to it.
Speaker 1: They make it more of a leaderboard thing. They make
Speaker 1: the tracking better and more out there and more efficient
Speaker 1: where it's more readily available instead of people trying to
Speaker 1: figure it out on the fly, like where do I
Speaker 1: have to cash? What are the points? What's this? What's that?
Speaker 3: You know, there's no reason why with the new app
Speaker 3: we can't have you know, basically live tracking. You know,
Speaker 3: we can have a live leadable the app, you know,
Speaker 3: and maybe that's coming. Maybe they didn't want to just
Speaker 3: be like have too many things with the app, you know,
Speaker 3: with its first year at the World Series here in
Speaker 3: Vegas at least, But that I think is good. I
Speaker 3: think you know, WSP itself, whether it's through their social
Speaker 3: media or the editorial website, needs more updates on it,
Speaker 3: you know, ideally daily updates plus so like lots of
Speaker 3: social posts. You know, this person just finished fifth, he
Speaker 3: now moves into second or something. You can make it
Speaker 3: a storyline yourself. If you just let it live, it's
Speaker 3: gonna be much harder to really generate that interest.
Speaker 1: I mean, there should be a tab within the app. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you can go and it has that leaderboard and
Speaker 1: like you said, it's it's much more lives. And as
Speaker 1: soon as somebody busts out and you know, it goes
Speaker 1: into the verification because when you bust out in the app,
Speaker 1: it does say like need to verify whatever. It says
Speaker 1: for a second until it gets very It takes a
Speaker 1: few minutes, it gets verified whatever, then it's in there.
Speaker 1: I mean, once that happens, it should feed through the points.
Speaker 3: But it also should be in the payouts, you know,
Speaker 3: like on the WSP website when they used to have
Speaker 3: the live updates, they used to have the payout and
Speaker 3: have to have the points you would get. There's no
Speaker 3: reason why that couldn't be. Serhaps so when people are looking,
Speaker 3: because that's you know, obviously house players, but viewers and fans,
Speaker 3: they're looking although, what's this, what's this third column here?
Speaker 3: What's this points? And then you start like, you know,
Speaker 3: digging deep kind of like what we do with ours.
Speaker 3: We know, we have our payouts, we have the prizes,
Speaker 3: and we have the PGT points and you know, it
Speaker 3: does generate that interest. My one thought on Player of
Speaker 3: the Year outside of all this, and you know, the
Speaker 3: changing the points formula is a big Pandora's box. I
Speaker 3: don't know if we want to get into because this
Speaker 3: is so many points for them.
Speaker 2: Was what's correct?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: How should they overvalue things? But I think it needs
Speaker 3: one more online result. You have thirty three bracelet of
Speaker 3: online bracelet events and and you have not you have
Speaker 3: one hundred live bracelet events, right, I.
Speaker 1: Mean clearly they want to live.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like it's not enough of it. I don't
Speaker 3: think it's the right percentage. I'm not saying it needs
Speaker 3: to be like, like, you know, an equal percentage. I
Speaker 3: think one more online cash would be kind of fair.
Speaker 3: So it's eight and two. I think that's kind of
Speaker 3: the best way because I think you need to still
Speaker 3: provide value to.
Speaker 2: Online or just have an online leader work.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it is tricky. It's tricky. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't exactly. I don't exactly know what
Speaker 1: to do. You know, I would have to think about
Speaker 1: a little bit more. I personally, I lean that online
Speaker 1: should count in full, like you should be able to
Speaker 1: get thirty three cashes from online, you know, or whatever.
Speaker 1: Just and my reasoning is that it has never been
Speaker 1: told to us that online bracelets are not equal to
Speaker 1: live bracelets. I mean, I know people joke out there
Speaker 1: that they say this is a fake bracelet. This isn't
Speaker 1: a fake bracelet, like you know whatever. But as far
Speaker 1: as WSP's concerned, a bracelet is a bracelet. It doesn't
Speaker 1: matter if you win it in fucking Antarctica or if
Speaker 1: you win it in Las Vegas at the Horseshoe. A
Speaker 1: bracelet is a bracelet, Okay, So if a bracelet is
Speaker 1: a bracelet, then aren't all things equal. Isn't an online
Speaker 1: event a one K plo online event the same as
Speaker 1: one K at the series, It's the same thing. Brace
Speaker 1: is a bracelet, And some some might argue I think
Speaker 1: there's a fair argument that online is harder to win
Speaker 1: generally speaking at I mean, I don't I don't know
Speaker 1: exactly how it compares for the summer, because I think
Speaker 1: everything gets a little bit softer in the summer, But
Speaker 1: generally speaking, online has always been thought to be harder
Speaker 1: than live across all across everywhere, But then you have.
Speaker 2: To factor in field sizes and stuff.
Speaker 1: I know, but I'm saying, but still everywhere like it,
Speaker 1: online is considered to be harder than live, right, you
Speaker 1: know they say like, yeah, one hundred dollars tournament online
Speaker 1: is like a one k live. So if you went
Speaker 1: a one k online or deep got second in that
Speaker 1: online event, what was the buy in five hundred? So
Speaker 1: what's that three k live? You know? It's like so
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I'm kind of I don't
Speaker 1: kind of bouncing all over the place with this, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I just generally think that first and foremost, I think
Speaker 1: just like getting it in the app and making it
Speaker 1: a little bit more front and center, and fixing the
Speaker 1: efficiency aspect of the points. It should be the priority.
Speaker 1: Right If you want to keep the criteria and the
Speaker 1: scoring the same, I'm fine with that. And honestly, everyone
Speaker 1: knows going in Like Phil Helmuth had, you know, a
Speaker 1: tweet he kind of went at Deep like the whole thing,
Speaker 1: and it's like you knew going into the summer. Everyone
Speaker 1: knows going into summer, these are the points. This is
Speaker 1: what counts. There's this many live events account, there's this
Speaker 1: many online events account. This is how it is. Everyone
Speaker 1: knows that. So what's the big deal. If that's how
Speaker 1: it is, then adjust your schedule and your play accordingly,
Speaker 1: which I think is probably Deep's biggest advantage. He understands
Speaker 1: the how in terms of winning Player of the Year
Speaker 1: better than everyone, and he caters his schedule and his
Speaker 1: play to achieving player of the year, like that's his
Speaker 1: goal now along the way. That can come with money,
Speaker 1: that can come with cashes, that can come with bracelets,
Speaker 1: et cetera. But he's ultimately trying to win Player of
Speaker 1: the Year. So he's doing whatever it takes to win
Speaker 1: Player of the Year. Other people are not necessarily out
Speaker 1: like that. Like I don't think Benny Glasser is out
Speaker 1: to win Player of the Year like he's out to
Speaker 1: I think win bracelets. And this is just me guessing,
Speaker 1: but I think he's out to win bracelets and then
Speaker 1: if Player of the Year comes with it, great, whereas
Speaker 1: Sean Deep is almost the other way. I'm out to
Speaker 1: win Player of the Year and stamp my you know,
Speaker 1: put my stamp on HI or history that way, winning
Speaker 1: multiple SB Player of the Year titles and if you know, yes,
Speaker 1: a natural side effect of that is you're probably gonna
Speaker 1: win bracelets. But there's also a world where like Deep
Speaker 1: cat has ten second places and he's able to win
Speaker 1: Player of the year and he doesn't win a bracelet
Speaker 1: a given year, right, So I just think that everyone can.
Speaker 1: You can kind of cater what you want to go
Speaker 1: after every single summer and and deep clearly goes after
Speaker 1: Player of the Year in my opinion, And you know,
Speaker 1: so don't complain about it when you have the option
Speaker 1: to do that yourself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it shows that how he nearly won two
Speaker 3: bracelets while the main event Day one's were going because
Speaker 3: he won the payloa and then he finished second. He
Speaker 3: won two bracelets and really stamped his Player of the
Speaker 3: Year while Day one of the main event was still going.
Speaker 3: So yeah, he does everything Tyler towards Player of the Year.
Speaker 3: That's what he cares about. And I don't think we
Speaker 3: can really knock anything to do, you know with this
Speaker 3: years when.
Speaker 1: On my bone to pick is with the way that
Speaker 1: it's kind of pushed out and marketed after the fact,
Speaker 1: Like the press really said that he cashed eighteen live
Speaker 1: bracelet events, six online bracelet events, reached five file tables,
Speaker 1: one of seventh career bace of blah blah blah. But
Speaker 1: all of that doesn't count towards Player of the Year. Sure,
Speaker 1: but it's still what he did though, I understand, but
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like it should be outlined,
Speaker 1: like what he did to achieve Player of the Year,
Speaker 1: because in a way, I feel like if you just
Speaker 1: kind of skim things and no one reads things in full,
Speaker 1: everyone skims, ye, right, if you skim, And the biggest
Speaker 1: skim is along these lines. If you just look at
Speaker 1: the social media posts that they did, they had an
Speaker 1: image of Sean Deep and they put on that image, right,
Speaker 1: like the achievements that he had, which are twenty four cashes,
Speaker 1: five final tables, one bracelet, So you would you might
Speaker 1: think if you just saw this, if you just saw that,
Speaker 1: and on social media, and we know how people scroll
Speaker 1: these days, they have an intention span of a mesquite
Speaker 1: of a gnat, like it's just they're all over the place.
Speaker 1: So you see that, you say, oh, like he cashed
Speaker 1: twenty four times, he racked up cashes, he made five
Speaker 1: pound tables, whatever, but not all that stuff counted.
Speaker 2: So it's incorrect as well.
Speaker 1: Well, what I don't care if it's incorrect or not.
Speaker 1: Like I'm just saying, like, we put the caps on things.
Speaker 1: The dove has to be put the caps on things.
Speaker 1: But then they're celebrating the thing in.
Speaker 2: Full, I don't have so much.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's like a disconnect. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: you should just celebrate it in the context of what
Speaker 1: the criteria is, because then it then it makes it
Speaker 1: I think a little bit more connected to like this
Speaker 1: is how you win Player of the Year. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: my slight bone to pick there, but whatever. I think
Speaker 1: the big thing is, you got to get in the app.
Speaker 1: You got to get that. You got to get this
Speaker 1: stuff updated quickly so people can sweat like right away,
Speaker 1: you know. I think that would be certainly a lot
Speaker 1: of fun to haven't And I would guess because of
Speaker 1: what we saw the first year of the app and
Speaker 1: how there was a lot of updates along the way
Speaker 1: and things were changing and getting better. You know, it
Speaker 1: was great out of the gate, and then it got
Speaker 1: better throughout. I think we'll see a lot more improvements
Speaker 1: even still for for next year in years to come,
Speaker 1: and I think that this is probably one of them.
Speaker 1: All right, next topic, biggest winners. I put winners in
Speaker 1: quotes on our rundown because you can kind of think
Speaker 1: of this, how you want I put down a bunch
Speaker 1: maybe you can add to to things. But these are
Speaker 1: biggest quote unquote winners not named Michael the Grinder, miss Rocky.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: And my reasoning is that I think I don't know
Speaker 1: who said it, Yeah, kind of like I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't remember who said it, and it might have
Speaker 1: actually been Shawnee, but I can't remember exactly. So forgive
Speaker 1: me if you're out there and I'm butchering this. But
Speaker 1: somebody said, like shawnde one w S Player of the Year,
Speaker 1: but the twenty twenty five divis a p will be
Speaker 1: remembered for Michael mcrocky. Yeah, like you know, so what
Speaker 1: So that's what I mean, Like the quote unquote winners,
Speaker 1: the storylines, like when we think back on you know,
Speaker 1: let's say twenty years from now, say remember that, remember
Speaker 1: the year when Michael mcrocky did this, right, and then
Speaker 1: and then you're gonna say, like that was also the
Speaker 1: year that this happened. And that's the list that I'm
Speaker 1: trying to like, also the year that Benny Glasser won
Speaker 1: three bracelets, you know, like that sort of stuff, right,
Speaker 1: Like that's what we're gonna get at here. My kind
Speaker 1: of notes that I put down here. Sina Okamoto won
Speaker 1: the WSP Ladies Championship after finishing first the year before,
Speaker 1: so she goes back to back and then the year
Speaker 1: before that finishes second. Like that's gonna be something We're
Speaker 1: gonna remember the time Sheina Oka Goodo went second first first,
Speaker 1: You remember that, like that shit was crazy? Remember the
Speaker 1: time when Leo Marguetz finished seventh in the WSB main
Speaker 1: event for one point five million buck's a thirty year trend.
Speaker 1: There no woman at the at the final table. Seth
Speaker 1: Davies won his first bracelet. You know, I think this
Speaker 1: one is me using a little bit of editorial license
Speaker 1: because it's kind of in the context of how good
Speaker 1: Seth Davies has been the past two year and a
Speaker 1: half to two years. He's won everything under the sun.
Speaker 1: He's probably won twenty million dollars in the past two
Speaker 1: years or something ridiculous. So, you know, just that cherry
Speaker 1: on the top of his first bracelet, and the fact
Speaker 1: that it came in the two hundred fifty k Super
Speaker 1: high Roller, which is an event that he you know,
Speaker 1: would probably want to win more so than anything else.
Speaker 1: I mean obviously that ever main event, but you know,
Speaker 1: we always put that to the side. Martin Cabrel summer.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're certainly going to remember that summer, all
Speaker 1: the antics, the colorful stuff, you know. Whatever he wins
Speaker 1: the mini main event, he's challenging for WSB Player of
Speaker 1: the Year throughout, like he's on the rail when Sean
Speaker 1: Deep was making those runs, like, you know, having like
Speaker 1: the banter and the competitiveness with Deep the whole time.
Speaker 1: I personally feel like he won over a ton of fans.
Speaker 1: I think I feel like last year he was clearly
Speaker 1: a villain last summer, two summers ago, whatever that was,
Speaker 1: but the whole fake card marking and you know, all
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. But this year, I feel like
Speaker 1: he certainly won over the fans. Andrew Ostupchenko, we already
Speaker 1: talked about him, but this one I think is certainly
Speaker 1: going to get overlooked had that second in the twenty
Speaker 1: five K, won the bracelet in the five K, Like
Speaker 1: I feel like this is I personally have always felt
Speaker 1: Andrew ossup Chenko was a very very good player, and
Speaker 1: he's known within the poker circle. But I feel like
Speaker 1: this is one of those summers where you win a
Speaker 1: boatload of money, you know, more than two million dollars
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be like, yeah, that was his his breakout.
Speaker 1: Like that was when people started to really recognize andre Osupchenko.
Speaker 1: Alex Foxen fourteen cashes for more than four million dollars,
Speaker 1: I mean every day, this guy was just going deep.
Speaker 1: Blajerry Off, I mean you want to talk about breakout, Yeah,
Speaker 1: players from the WSP, this guy was. No one knew
Speaker 1: that this guy was. I mean maybe Patrick Landard knew
Speaker 1: who this guy was. Other than that blajerry Off. He
Speaker 1: wins the twenty five K six Max. Then he wins
Speaker 1: the fifteen hundred dollars Stud High Low. So two bracelets
Speaker 1: for bla Jerry Off out of nowhere, out of absolutely nowhere,
Speaker 1: which is very cool. So shout out to blag breakout WSIP.
Speaker 1: Hopefully we see you win embracelets for years to come.
Speaker 1: Brian Rast another incredible year for Brian Rass won the
Speaker 1: ten k ras he got second the twenty five k
Speaker 1: horse that's the one we just talked about that had
Speaker 1: east Sledge one and he had fourteen cashes overall. Nick
Speaker 1: Schulman he won the ten k Nolan MEDUSA seven and
Speaker 1: then he gets inducted into the Poker Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: I mean pretty cool summer for Nick Schulman. Joo Vieira
Speaker 1: won the Hunter, K got a fourth and a fifth
Speaker 1: as well. David Odb Baker shout out to odb first
Speaker 1: in the Senior's high Roller for six hundred and forty
Speaker 1: six K almost wins another bracelet in another five K,
Speaker 1: third in that one that andros Upchenko won for two
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty three K. Benny Glauser, I mentioned him
Speaker 1: at the top. You know, he had those three bracelets.
Speaker 1: We've talked about him throughout. Victor Blam had a great
Speaker 1: summer second, fourth, fifth, six tenth. I would kind of
Speaker 1: put him on like an honorable mention list, you know,
Speaker 1: very good year. But the thing with Victor and like
Speaker 1: why didn't put him on, Like why would consider him
Speaker 1: more honorable mention than not? Is because the story with
Speaker 1: Victor Blam was is he gonna get his first bracelet
Speaker 1: and he ultimately didn't. So I feel like that one
Speaker 1: falls short a little bit. Yeah, now he had a
Speaker 1: very very good summer and he's gonna win a bracelet
Speaker 1: and probably any of them in his career, but this
Speaker 1: summer not not yet. Daniel Legrandu, I mean this guy
Speaker 1: was like deep every day, Yeah, second, fourth, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth, eleventh, fifteenth,
Speaker 1: just about.
Speaker 2: Online as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean just just crushed. I mean that's another thing.
Speaker 1: By the way, we talked about fixing the Player of
Speaker 1: the Year, So they got to fix the online, Like
Speaker 1: it's got to get the results out there. You got
Speaker 1: to get you got to talk about it more, put
Speaker 1: it out like what you had no idea what was
Speaker 1: going on online? Phil Ivy had a fifth to sixth,
Speaker 1: the sixth and ninth another really good year for him.
Speaker 1: So so yeah, you know, all things considered, those are
Speaker 1: kind of my like, you know, yeah, Michael Mrocky did
Speaker 1: this SHAWANDE one Player of the Year and that caused
Speaker 1: that whole stir. But this is also what happened from
Speaker 1: this summer. I mean, all of this stuff collectively, including
Speaker 1: the miss Rocky, including SHAWNDE winning Player of the Year,
Speaker 1: Like this is one of the best of yssipes ever,
Speaker 1: if not the best of hisipy ever. From like a
Speaker 1: headline storyline.
Speaker 3: Perspective, Yeah, I'll throw it one more in there. It's
Speaker 3: probably not as big as this, but I think it
Speaker 3: needs to be. Josh for media. Two bracelets, both online
Speaker 3: but both live, like one of those hybrid events crazy.
Speaker 3: He won two a couple of years ago, so he
Speaker 3: has four bracelets already. Obviously he has the WSP main
Speaker 3: event found table, And when we're talking overlooked, no one
Speaker 3: probably has any idea about that. So that's probably pretty
Speaker 3: pretty big thing. It's not gonna be even remembered at
Speaker 3: all when it comes to this World Series, but it's
Speaker 3: just something that we want to talk overlooked results.
Speaker 1: I think that one is for sure, that one's definitely yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: this was. This was simply an incredible WSP from start
Speaker 1: to finish. So those are some quote unquote winners that
Speaker 1: that might be overlooked, but that we're always going to
Speaker 1: remember for some truly incredible accomplishments. I'm sure we miss some.
Speaker 1: I'm sure we missed a whole bunch. So if we did,
Speaker 1: you guys know the drill. You can send us a
Speaker 1: post on Twitter, you can email us, podcasts at PokerGO
Speaker 1: dot com, you can do whatever. Let us know, you
Speaker 1: can comment on this YouTube video. Let us know. You know,
Speaker 1: forgive us if you're a player and we overlooked you.
Speaker 1: But yeah, there was there was just so much stuff
Speaker 1: happen all summer long, and it was. It was truly
Speaker 1: incredible from start to finish. So shout out to everyone
Speaker 1: who had a great, great great summer twenty twenty five
Speaker 1: Doubasippy stats. This was per the WASIP press release, two
Speaker 1: hundred and forty six thousand, nine hundred and sixty total entries.
Speaker 1: That is an all time record. Now they also had
Speaker 1: the most events ever, but it wasn't that big of
Speaker 1: an increase over last year. Last year was ninety nine
Speaker 1: live events. This year was one hundred live events, so
Speaker 1: it's not like they went from ninety nine to one
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty, right, So I think having a seven
Speaker 1: point five percent increase there is really really good. They
Speaker 1: had two hundred and twenty nine thousand, five hundred and
Speaker 1: ninety nine last year, so that's very good.
Speaker 3: Those are added though, like six days of play, so
Speaker 3: we have to sure in those those the bigger field events.
Speaker 3: So I think that Matt has been Yeah, that still
Speaker 3: still it's it's still impressive.
Speaker 1: Twy four hundred and sixty nine entries per event. Last
Speaker 1: year was twenty three hundred and nineteen, so the average
Speaker 1: event size grew by six point five percent. I just
Speaker 1: talked about the the overall increase was seven point five
Speaker 1: percent in entries, So I think it's a real increase
Speaker 1: in demand. I think is a good way to categorize it.
Speaker 1: I don't just think it's it's schedule inflation. I think
Speaker 1: they did a really good thing, you know, all things considered.
Speaker 1: I did not see if that was if that two
Speaker 1: hundred and forty six nine and sixty includes the online stuff.
Speaker 1: I don't think it does, but I don't I could
Speaker 1: be wrong. I have some questions for you.
Speaker 2: Sure, go ahead.
Speaker 1: So two hundred and forty six thousand plus entries almost
Speaker 1: two hundred and forty seven thousand entries, so there's clearly
Speaker 1: still a ton of demand for the w S a P.
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think drove the demand? Like,
Speaker 1: is this kind of where you thought numbers would come in?
Speaker 1: Did you see this think that there would be an increase?
Speaker 1: I know, if you want to, you know, rewind and
Speaker 1: before the summer, you and I thought kind of like,
Speaker 1: maybe there's the travel stuff from international, maybe there's this,
Speaker 1: maybe there's that. So you know, what are your thoughts
Speaker 1: when you see and hear those numbers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it felt like the travel stuff by the end
Speaker 3: of it didn't we stopped talking about it pretty early on.
Speaker 2: Obviously probably did have a factor. It's hard to tell
Speaker 2: on us.
Speaker 3: We could look at those, you know, unique country numbers,
Speaker 3: that'd be a better indication of if that really affected
Speaker 3: out those I wish we could, yeah, if that really
Speaker 3: affected the entrance. I think there's a lot of things
Speaker 3: when it comes to these numbers. Focus growing here in America,
Speaker 3: it's burning. One key thing, and I think it maybe slightly.
Speaker 1: Are you sure it's booming. I think it's because if
Speaker 1: you look on social media, people think it's absolutely like dead.
Speaker 1: It's we need to get it on ESPN and all.
Speaker 3: This sort of stuff. ESPN's also free as well. I
Speaker 3: think one key thing, and this would be nearly impossible
Speaker 3: to quantify a bit. You got to look at like
Speaker 3: the cryptocurrency market and the stock market. And what I
Speaker 3: say by that is you look at the bitcoin prices.
Speaker 1: Up only huh up only? What do you mean up only?
Speaker 1: Those things only go up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But like what I mean is world series. This
Speaker 3: is bigcoin. Bitcoin is about one hundred k starting woph.
Speaker 1: Mart, It's bitcoin. It's the dovers f only.
Speaker 2: Bigcoin was about one hundred k.
Speaker 3: The side of the world series last year at the
Speaker 3: same time it was about sixty K.
Speaker 2: Now, did that affect our schedules? Yours and mine?
Speaker 3: Not at all, right, but I'm sure it affected a
Speaker 3: lot of people's, you know, amount of events they played,
Speaker 3: how much liquidity they had, saying with the stock market,
Speaker 3: obviously stock market's probably a bit more of an influence
Speaker 3: on you and me's money, and that's up. But that
Speaker 3: really didn't change my decisions. But when you're talking two
Speaker 3: hundred and forty thousand entrants, I'm sure it had some
Speaker 3: weight in the bullets they were playing. And then the
Speaker 3: big thing, and also another thing that will be hard
Speaker 3: to quantify is just the app the East the Reebui right,
Speaker 3: like the quick to just get in straight away and
Speaker 3: I have to wait in lines. Now, if they were
Speaker 3: able to take the winnings to go straight into the app,
Speaker 3: I think that would even increase numbers more because you
Speaker 3: could cash the twenty five.
Speaker 1: K, So you could do that. I thought you could
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 3: You still have to go and do you have to
Speaker 3: go to the cage?
Speaker 1: Oh, you're saying like you had to go to that room?
Speaker 1: They would say how do you want it? Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then you can say I want automatically deposited. Let's say
Speaker 1: I cash for Let's say I played a one k
Speaker 1: and cash for ten k and there was a ten
Speaker 1: k six bax, I should just be able to go
Speaker 1: buy in with the ten k and not actually I
Speaker 1: have to go to the red.
Speaker 3: Now that might not make much of a difference. Could
Speaker 3: be talking you know, minu percentage points. But those little
Speaker 3: things going forward, those kind of things will dictate kind
Speaker 3: of the growth of those kind of overall numbers.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. The THESP plus app was a
Speaker 1: big element in all of this. I just think the
Speaker 1: ease of it all. Yeah, there was no lines. Stration
Speaker 1: seemed extremely fluid. You know, a couple of clicks of
Speaker 1: the button, you know, once you get in and you know,
Speaker 1: do the sign of process registration, dump your money and
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. Very very very simple. I
Speaker 1: think we talked a little bit about what we want
Speaker 1: from you know, the WSP app going forward, you know,
Speaker 1: with Player of the Year and stuff like that. You
Speaker 1: just mentioned the payout thing, any other like upgrades, scalability items,
Speaker 1: you know, what would you like to see in terms
Speaker 1: of like the WSP plus app evolution, because I think
Speaker 1: it's pretty clear now having been through a full summer
Speaker 1: with it, that this is such an important element of
Speaker 1: everything as it relates to the ws BE going forward.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they're really good at making changes on
Speaker 3: the fly and edits on the fly and listening to
Speaker 3: people's whether it was complaints or suggestions. So very confident
Speaker 3: in the app going forward. Outside of those points we've
Speaker 3: kind of said, outside of money automatically deposit, I'm not
Speaker 3: really sure right now what could be added, but I'm sure.
Speaker 1: You got link WSP dot com online and the app.
Speaker 3: It should all be like the bankrolls, you mean, like
Speaker 3: the cash like I feel like it should all be linked. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's actually probably a good idea, but there's probably some
Speaker 3: potential Novada gaming in that.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, okay, oh, real names. You gotta have real Yeah,
Speaker 3: the real names. I think you should be real names.
Speaker 3: Doesn't need real fight, but real names one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: There's probably some small design things that you know, I know,
Speaker 3: kind of grinted your gears with size of the fonts
Speaker 3: and stuff. So then maybe there's some more customer mobility
Speaker 3: where you can, like, you know, on your phone, how
Speaker 3: you can go old man mode and get really big,
Speaker 3: or you can go really small. Maybe that maybe you can
Speaker 3: have zoom like bigger Finn or smaller fund as an
Speaker 3: option for users.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that. More stats from the WSP
Speaker 1: press release as it wrapped up the summer more than
Speaker 1: four hundred and eighty one million dollars in total prize money.
Speaker 1: That's the most amount of total prize money awarded in
Speaker 1: wsity history. Of course, that makes sense given the fact
Speaker 1: that they had the most entries ever thirty seven thousand,
Speaker 1: three hundred and eleven places paid, so that is the
Speaker 1: highest number of unique payouts in Wissippi history. Forty three
Speaker 1: is the number of one million dollars or greater prizes
Speaker 1: one across the twenty twenty five series. The Millionaire Maker
Speaker 1: event attracted almost twelve thousand entries nine hundred and ninety six.
Speaker 1: That set a record for the largest buy in fifteen
Speaker 1: hundred dollars event in live tournament poker history. That's pretty
Speaker 1: freaking incredible. The Mid Stakes Championship got three thousand, seven
Speaker 1: hundred and ninety seven entries, becoming the largest three thousand
Speaker 1: dollars buy in field ever. Very very cool there. The
Speaker 1: Mystery Bounty PLO event two hundred and eighty four entries.
Speaker 1: That's freaking enormous. I just forgot how big some of
Speaker 1: these numbers are. That established itself as the largest PLO
Speaker 1: field in live tournament poker history. That's pretty ridiculous. Fifty
Speaker 1: Seven events exceeded two million dollars prize pool, that's an
Speaker 1: all time record for the series. Nine events exceeded a
Speaker 1: ten million dollar prize pool. That's also in all time record.
Speaker 1: They had a record field size in the Ladies Championship
Speaker 1: that was won by Sina. Okay, go to that's right, baby,
Speaker 1: one thousand and three and sixty eight entries there. Which
Speaker 1: event surprised you the most with its size or prize pool.
Speaker 1: You can go either up or down. I don't care
Speaker 1: where you go with it.
Speaker 3: I think it was going to do like more of
Speaker 3: a group event, and that was the multi flight lower Byance.
Speaker 2: I really thought we.
Speaker 3: Were going to get kind of astronomical numbers with the
Speaker 3: additional flights, and you know, we talked about it a
Speaker 3: lot this World Series and how you throw out the
Speaker 3: first flight and the other three flights are pretty unpower
Speaker 3: for what they did the previous years.
Speaker 2: But going into the.
Speaker 3: World Series, I thought Oh my god, they're basically adding
Speaker 3: a second last flight. So I thought we were going
Speaker 3: to see, you know, twenty percent increases in all of those,
Speaker 3: kind of the Colossus, the Monster stack, the one came
Speaker 3: Misterry banning all of them.
Speaker 2: But we didn't get that.
Speaker 3: So although some of them went up, that was a
Speaker 3: guess a little bit of a surprise to me. You know,
Speaker 3: we were kind of pretty bullish on those high roles.
Speaker 3: Some of them absolutely crushed, but yeah, pretty much those
Speaker 3: lower buying multipliers were the most surprising to me.
Speaker 1: You were in the trenches every single day. Of course,
Speaker 1: other than that, they you went to go play soccer
Speaker 1: or something on one day one morning, one morning, What
Speaker 1: did you notice about the player demo, you know, the
Speaker 1: people that were there. Did you see a shift? Did
Speaker 1: you see a lot of younger players, more women, more
Speaker 1: international I personally feel like I didn't feel like I
Speaker 1: saw as many internationals throughout the totality of the series.
Speaker 1: But what stuck out to you the.
Speaker 2: Land of the Rising Sun.
Speaker 3: Okay, what the Japanese the common I felt like there
Speaker 3: was just more of those.
Speaker 1: I mean, those guys are really really good.
Speaker 3: More of the Japanese players than ever there was just
Speaker 3: more kind of you know, whether it was South Koreans
Speaker 3: or just players from Asia in general, that kind of
Speaker 3: stood out to me. Maybe that was because like we
Speaker 3: didn't see as many Europeans or something, but to me,
Speaker 3: that was the thing that stood out the most was
Speaker 3: just the heavy influx of Japanese players, and you know,
Speaker 3: South Koreans, a bunch of other you know from there,
Speaker 3: but yeah, the Japanese players just seemed to be everywhere
Speaker 3: and crushing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I played with a lot of the
Speaker 1: Japanese players specifically in the main event, and they were very,
Speaker 1: very very good. The main event itself. Now that one
Speaker 1: did dip three point seven percent down from last year,
Speaker 1: my thoughts really not alarming.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I said that going in, if it dips a tiny bit,
Speaker 1: it's not that big of a deal. At the end
Speaker 1: of the day, it was still well over nine thousand entries,
Speaker 1: which I think is absolutely incredible for a ten thousand
Speaker 1: dollars buy and freeze out. I still think overall the
Speaker 1: demand is there. You know, I wouldn't sweat this if
Speaker 1: I was the w s AP. Now that comes with
Speaker 1: the fact that if we do start seeing a downward trend,
Speaker 1: and it starts, you know, stacking up year after year
Speaker 1: after year, Then okay, then there's cause for concern. But
Speaker 1: you know, I think we were the WS minimum was
Speaker 1: probably a head of pace the past two years, and
Speaker 1: then this year, you know, it had some pullback a
Speaker 1: little bit of regression there, but but nothing really to
Speaker 1: get alarmed by at all. You know. But again, if
Speaker 1: you know, if next year it's like ninety three hundred,
Speaker 1: the year after that it's close to nine, then it
Speaker 1: dips into the eight's, okay, then then there's like something
Speaker 1: that might need to be addressed there. But for right now,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think in any way, shape or form,
Speaker 1: we should be alarmed about this.
Speaker 3: What say you, I don't think we need to be
Speaker 3: alarmed at all. I agree kind of with everything you said.
Speaker 3: The one thing we talked about a lot, and I'm
Speaker 3: just double checking the numbers, but we saw a heavy
Speaker 3: increase in.
Speaker 2: Day two entry this year.
Speaker 3: Even though the numbers went down, the field size went down,
Speaker 3: those day two entries went up quite significantly. One was
Speaker 3: up it's like twenty five percent, the other one was
Speaker 3: up a bit less than that. On those two flights.
Speaker 3: So I honestly think with the way the Vegas schedule is.
Speaker 3: When I say that, I'm talking Venetian when aria all
Speaker 3: these competing casinos, that the day two registration is going
Speaker 3: to keep increasing, and the fact that, like, you know what,
Speaker 3: this main event is a slug. You know, we when
Speaker 3: I busted, right, you had played pretty much fourteen more
Speaker 3: hours than me right when we got in, and we
Speaker 3: both pretty much made the money with about the same
Speaker 3: chips back. And then obviously you went on to do
Speaker 3: pretty well.
Speaker 1: But I think one hundred and sixty third best player
Speaker 1: in the world, that is correct.
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm the two thousand and third best player, but
Speaker 3: I think that matters because, like, the main event is
Speaker 3: a slog, and you know, saving fourteen hours probably helped
Speaker 3: me a lot, plus you throwing all these other events
Speaker 3: that people are playing. So I think that will be
Speaker 3: a trend that goes that continues to increase going forward.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't think we should be alarmed. You know,
Speaker 3: it's not a massive drop off shadow massive. You know,
Speaker 3: you could easily go back up to ten thousand next year.
Speaker 3: It could go down to ninety four hundred maybe, who knows.
Speaker 3: I don't think that's too much of a concern for
Speaker 3: the WSP.
Speaker 1: My early prediction as it goes up for next year,
Speaker 1: that's my early, early, early, way way way too early
Speaker 1: prediction that.
Speaker 3: I will say we definitely hit ten thousand next year. Okay,
Speaker 3: twenty five k Before we move on to well, just
Speaker 3: before we close this things, want to wrap up some
Speaker 3: live streaming numbers. You know, live streaming for the WSP's
Speaker 3: always talked about quite a lot this year. Did some
Speaker 3: calculations today. We had three hundred and forty three hours
Speaker 3: of WSP coverage, most we've ever done. Last year was
Speaker 3: three hundred hours, so you.
Speaker 1: Needed forty three hours more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know we had those extra main event
Speaker 3: tables and stuff that's all kind of included. But yeah,
Speaker 3: we did a decent amount of streaming, so it's pretty
Speaker 3: I just wanted to kind of mention that everyone says
Speaker 3: we don't streaming off film. I mean, we've been going
Speaker 3: off every year. So just like WSP numbers go up
Speaker 3: stream out, I mean.
Speaker 1: You kind of cook the numbers there, Nah exact you
Speaker 1: just admitted to cooking the books.
Speaker 2: How do I cook the books?
Speaker 1: You said we had multiple tables, meaning if we had
Speaker 1: three tables going for eight hours you're doing twenty four hours.
Speaker 1: That's no, buddy, you don't do that.
Speaker 3: Okay, you can't cook the's I'm not cooking the books.
Speaker 3: That's the books live on the podcast book. Yes, that's
Speaker 3: a stream. We stream that table.
Speaker 1: If you guys ever think that we are like messing
Speaker 1: with you and we're not, honest, I'm just calling him
Speaker 1: out on his bullshit for the same company that I.
Speaker 2: Work for, books being cooked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, clearly cooking the books there as it relates to
Speaker 1: the streaming numbers, but still pretty good streaming overall. I
Speaker 1: still want us to get to a point where we
Speaker 1: don't take a day off. No days off.
Speaker 2: Yeah we didn't, Yeah, but today this year we did.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: It was had to get those fathers to they schedule.
Speaker 3: It was legitimately nothing we could. We got the final table.
Speaker 2: Wise we can figure it out.
Speaker 3: If we had a bit more help from WSP where
Speaker 3: we could just you know, move some stuff, then we
Speaker 3: would have been fine.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I agree nowadays.
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Speaker 1: on his new behind the game brand. They win it
Speaker 1: all twelve hundred and seventy nine points. Team Lady Gaga
Speaker 1: Ren's linting we should have let him draft Jeremy Osmas
Speaker 1: and then he wouldn't want finished in second place for
Speaker 1: eleven hundred and seventy nine. Interesting that Team Lady Gaga
Speaker 1: has been on a bit of a run here. They
Speaker 1: finished second to us when we won it two years ago.
Speaker 1: Now they finished second again. Team Hands Some Horses that
Speaker 1: was Phil Sternheimer and Patrick Leonard's team third place, eleven
Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen points. Team Dinkers believe they won it
Speaker 1: last year. Yeah, they seem to be very very good
Speaker 1: Drafters fourth place, and then we mentioned that Team Liaison,
Speaker 1: headed up by Andrew Stupchenko. His final win in that
Speaker 1: five k event at the very end of the devasit
Speaker 1: be allowed them to get into fifth place and cash there.
Speaker 1: We finished in a whopping at twentieth place. Absolutely freaking crushed.
Speaker 1: We got crushed, Not that we crushed, we got crushed. Listen,
Speaker 1: Stevensong crusher. He's going to go for sixty dollars next year,
Speaker 1: and he just finished like third in the Seminal Hard
Speaker 1: Rock Poke ropin maybe second I can't remember what that
Speaker 1: he finished. Seth Davies did extremely well for US. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Nico milgrin N also did very very well for US.
Speaker 1: You know, they pretty much carried the team. Uri Reichenstein
Speaker 1: I think did very well as well. He came out
Speaker 1: of the gate hot. We got him super cheap. He
Speaker 1: was effectively a one dollar player for US. He offered
Speaker 1: a lot of good support. There were certainly some moments
Speaker 1: where he should have had some bigger scores. A few
Speaker 1: things broke his lessons. They should have but could have
Speaker 1: had some bigger scores should a few things broke his way.
Speaker 1: John Shortman also, you know, offered some good support. You know,
Speaker 1: I think he could have also had a bunch of
Speaker 1: deep runs as well. He ultimately finished with twenty four points.
Speaker 1: He had a boatload of cashes, a bunch of deep runs,
Speaker 1: seventeen cashes, you know, and just a bunch of kind
Speaker 1: of deep runs and then things kind of fell apart
Speaker 1: in the end. So, you know, Johnny Shuman, he'll be back.
Speaker 1: Of course, Osmas did not perform, of course, but listen,
Speaker 1: I'm fine with it, you know. I know it's easy
Speaker 1: to say, like, yeah, we're never drafting Osmas again, blah
Speaker 1: blah blah whatever. No, I mean the guy. My big
Speaker 1: thing is that he showed up every single FAA day.
Speaker 1: He had a smile on his f and face, and
Speaker 1: he did his thing. And yeah, things didn't break his
Speaker 1: way because there's various variants involved that happens, you know,
Speaker 1: So it is what it is. Still a big fan
Speaker 1: of Jeremy Osmas. I would certainly draft him again, so
Speaker 1: you know, you guys can take that for what you
Speaker 1: want going into next year. Maybe we'll buy him for
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty one again, maybe we won't, but
Speaker 1: uh yeah, tbd. Tommy Coral and Boris Angelov horrible picks
Speaker 1: pass just just horrible. I mean they they didn't perform
Speaker 1: at all. They had ten points between them.
Speaker 3: Temmy Carle four cashes at the WSC, Boris Angelov three
Speaker 3: WSP cashes. Right, but he had nine cashes outside of
Speaker 3: the World Series, including a win and a second.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know he had a very good summer. He
Speaker 1: had a very bad WSFP. You know. Ultimately, those are
Speaker 1: just the breaks. Those are kind of the gambles you
Speaker 1: take when you're you're buying one dollar players like this.
Speaker 1: So it is what it is I would say that
Speaker 1: my co owner and I Mickey Doff, need to reevaluate
Speaker 1: the Tommy Coral and Boris Angelov picks.
Speaker 3: Who were the other options? And where would have that
Speaker 3: kind I can't even remember. I mean, that's obviously you
Speaker 3: need a lot of points to get in the money.
Speaker 1: And now that I mean there there are a few
Speaker 1: people that were that were on our list for like
Speaker 1: to fill these like kind of roster spots. Yeah, not
Speaker 1: that they're necessarily one dollar players, but like a Scott Bowleman, right,
Speaker 1: but like Scott Bowman told us, I think it.
Speaker 2: Was he said he was playing the same schedule as.
Speaker 1: Ye, but I think he said, like if I wasn't
Speaker 1: worth a dollar last year, I'm not worth a dollar
Speaker 1: this year, or something like that. And it's like, what
Speaker 1: the heck am I supposed to take with that company?
Speaker 2: He's so I.
Speaker 1: Would have I don't know, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: And then he obviously has an incredible summer.
Speaker 2: Four hundred points.
Speaker 1: I mean he he I don't think he had a
Speaker 1: four hundred points worth of a summer, but.
Speaker 2: You need four hundred points.
Speaker 3: I wondering if he if he trade Carl for someone
Speaker 3: that you were likely to pick does it get you
Speaker 3: in the money? Let me look through the uh three.
Speaker 1: So Scott Bowman was one of those guys that we
Speaker 1: kind of at least initially, you know, we put together
Speaker 1: our list and then we and then based on the list,
Speaker 1: we try and reach out to all them. Right, So
Speaker 1: he was someone who had on our list and then
Speaker 1: we reach out and then we got that comment and
Speaker 1: it's like, well, I don't know exactly know how to
Speaker 1: read that situation. So yeah, so there's that. So we
Speaker 1: ended up not drafting him. Ryan Hoenig was also on
Speaker 1: our list, ends up going for fifty two dollars like
Speaker 1: we thought he was. He might not be on anyone's radar.
Speaker 1: Maybe we get him for on fifteen to twenty. We
Speaker 1: might be battling with one of the Florida teams or whatever.
Speaker 1: This one is somebody who's always been on my list.
Speaker 1: Thomas Taylor how many points again? One hundred and eighty
Speaker 1: four crafted for seven bucks, right? I mean that that
Speaker 1: one's kind of a one where I'm kicking myself. Matt
Speaker 1: Vangren another one we kind of have on our short list.
Speaker 1: He goes for nine scores, one fifty eight. You know.
Speaker 1: So it's like we clicked A when we should have
Speaker 1: clicked B. You know, it's like those sorts of things.
Speaker 3: Even switching those two players doesn't get you in the money.
Speaker 3: So it's not like no building, it's all, you know,
Speaker 3: we just have to blame Masmas. He's dead to us.
Speaker 1: He's definitely not dead to me. He's definitely not dead
Speaker 1: to me. Let me look who I had Renjie Mao
Speaker 1: on my list as well. Huh, you would never get
Speaker 1: Renjie killing one for nine dollars, and he went to
Speaker 1: Jeff Platt and Brent Hanks. They were bidding with him,
Speaker 1: then they ended up not He scored one hundred and twelve.
Speaker 1: He was certainly on our list. We had Calvin Anderson
Speaker 1: on our list. This is one where like we had
Speaker 1: Calvin Anderson on our list. I think Calvin Erson invested
Speaker 1: in our team through poker's take, and you know, so
Speaker 1: he told us a lot of insight. He ultimately went
Speaker 1: for fifty one. We weren't going to go I think
Speaker 1: above thirty on him, so we let him go and
Speaker 1: then he scores one hundred and four. So going for
Speaker 1: fifty one, you probably have to score a little bit
Speaker 1: more than one hundred and four. So even though technically
Speaker 1: we missed out on getting one hundred and four points
Speaker 1: from him, Yeah, like he didn't meet like where he
Speaker 1: should have been value wise or like you know, points
Speaker 1: for value. So so that's not like a horrible pass
Speaker 1: from us, right, Dario Alioto. I mean we wanted him back,
Speaker 1: but he goes for a lot more. I mean just
Speaker 1: the generational one dollar pick from us last year, he
Speaker 1: goes for twenty five. This year, you know, scores eighty nine.
Speaker 1: So he was, you know, somebody we ultimately had to
Speaker 1: pass on because we weren't going to go that high,
Speaker 1: like we were. We were big on John Reardon, the King.
Speaker 1: We were for sure going in. Our first plan was
Speaker 1: let's get Jeremy Osmas, Let's get John reard in, like
Speaker 1: that's who we want. And then Jard Rearden goes for
Speaker 1: fifty four, but thank god we didn't get him because
Speaker 1: he only scores forty eight. Yeah, so like it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's like one, it's like that's that was a good
Speaker 1: situation that ultimately happened to us, not that we you know,
Speaker 1: we ultimately passed. And I think we were I think
Speaker 1: we were priced out to be honest at that point,
Speaker 1: like we could only have once we spent one forty
Speaker 1: one on on Ozmas. We could only go so high
Speaker 1: on Reordan, so we ultimately had to pass. But if
Speaker 1: we let's say we got Reordan for you know, let's
Speaker 1: say forty five or whatever the heck the number was
Speaker 1: that we could have matched out on him, then we
Speaker 1: have Ozmas and Reordan. They both do horrible for us,
Speaker 1: and it just doesn't work out right. So, you know,
Speaker 1: it can kind of go go either way. I'm just
Speaker 1: quickly scanning through if there's anyone else on here. Adam
Speaker 1: Owen was somebody else that we were kind of high
Speaker 1: on going in, you know, Adam Owen. He was somebody
Speaker 1: who he used to be on my list years ago,
Speaker 1: and then he kind of just like fell out the
Speaker 1: face of the earth, Like he didn't really see him around.
Speaker 1: He didn't seem like he was playing much. But then
Speaker 1: he kind of had a sort of a resurgence the
Speaker 1: last year year and a half, he had a big
Speaker 1: score I believe it was in the mid Stakes championship
Speaker 1: last summer. Gave him a pretty hefty bankroll, you know,
Speaker 1: for the rest of the year, so he was somebody
Speaker 1: who was now back on our radar, but he was
Speaker 1: obviously back on other people's seems radar because he goes
Speaker 1: for twenty two, but then he only scores twenty three.
Speaker 1: So you know, that's that's one where us not getting
Speaker 1: him was probably better than us getting him. So you know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of that, so you can go, what
Speaker 1: if we did this, what if we did that, you know,
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. It's like like, I know,
Speaker 1: some people were like invested in our team and they're like, well,
Speaker 1: you didn't have to get Ozma's for you know whatever
Speaker 1: one one. You could have had Negron New for one
Speaker 1: oh eight and neg scored two sixty nine. I said, well,
Speaker 1: if that was the case, then we likely would have
Speaker 1: got John Reardon, who would have only scored forty eight.
Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, so it's like then then
Speaker 1: we lose. Then we lose Set Davies, let's say, right,
Speaker 1: who scored over one hundred, So we actually you know,
Speaker 1: lose points there. So maybe Davy scored one thirty one,
Speaker 1: so maybe yeah, maybe the combo of negran New and
Speaker 1: Reordan nets out more than Osma's and Davies, But it's
Speaker 1: not anything like meaningful that's gonna like get us in
Speaker 1: the money. So like it's it's you know, there's so
Speaker 1: many different you can't just say, like what if we
Speaker 1: got this person versus that person, because with what we
Speaker 1: spent on Osmas, if we had spent less on a
Speaker 1: deep or negran new and we had that more money
Speaker 1: than maybe we get some of these other players that
Speaker 1: ultimately didn't pan out. Right, So it's you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's a whole big give and of take. There's a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of you know, moving parts here. So anyway,
Speaker 1: we'll be back at our next year. Of course, you know,
Speaker 1: we won this thing two years ago, so it is
Speaker 1: certainly possible, and uh yeah, I can't wait for it.
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Speaker 1: let's move on to the p g T leader board,
Speaker 1: that is the Poker Go Tour up on top is
Speaker 1: Michael the Grinder Miss Rocky. He went from not being
Speaker 1: ranked to first yea, but he currently is ineligible. He
Speaker 1: needs a third cash. We do have a qualifying element.
Speaker 1: You have to have three PGT cases. I know you
Speaker 1: saw him during the Right Here National Heads Up Poker Championship.
Speaker 1: You let him know that he needs a third cash.
Speaker 1: He seems certainly very interested in.
Speaker 2: He said, I'll just get a third win, make it easy.
Speaker 1: He probably confident. Honestly he probably will. Okay, he probably will.
Speaker 1: So Michael Missrocky is up on top right now. Sean
Speaker 1: deeb is he was. He was also I think he
Speaker 1: was on ranked. I mean he doesn't play anything.
Speaker 2: He was un rank.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he moved up to twenty sixth. Are these are
Speaker 1: like the big movers?
Speaker 2: Ye?
Speaker 1: Michael Wang went from twoundred and sixty fifth up to twentieth.
Speaker 1: Andrew Rostupchenko We've talked about him a lot on this podcast.
Speaker 1: He went from twnar ninety six up to sixty second.
Speaker 1: Brian rast went from two thirty seven to forty third,
Speaker 1: Maxim Piezarenko two fifty three to seventy sixth. So you
Speaker 1: know there's a lot of big movers, big jumps here.
Speaker 1: Kind of one other name that sticks out to me,
Speaker 1: Phil Sternheimer. He went from ninety seventh up to tenth.
Speaker 1: He's someone who interests me. Tenth feels like you might
Speaker 1: be Lockey in terms of getting into the top forty.
Speaker 1: So is he gonna then come out for the championship.
Speaker 3: I think I'm more worried about deep down in those
Speaker 3: mid twenties. You know, Dave is twenty fifth right now
Speaker 3: with one thousand and forty four points. That's the way this,
Speaker 3: like Leada Bold's shaping out. We always talk about thousand
Speaker 3: points kind of being the thresholds. So many people just
Speaker 3: group there with like you know, one, two, like just
Speaker 3: not enough cash. Is that it's gonna it's gonna be
Speaker 3: really interesting. Is because you know, talking to Deeve, I
Speaker 3: always trying to get him here in the studio. I
Speaker 3: don't think we're going to get him here for anything,
Speaker 3: which is fine. You know, he was here for the
Speaker 3: nationals Up Championship. But he's unlikely to come out play
Speaker 3: any events. He will come out and play the free role,
Speaker 3: he said, if he makes it so, he's going to
Speaker 3: be kind of monitoring. He's gonna if I was going
Speaker 3: to have a prediction. I feel like he'll sneak in
Speaker 3: on that like last spot forty four points. It's just
Speaker 3: it's a tough it's a tough thing, especially with the
Speaker 3: people under him, Like you know, we're talking Dylan Lindy,
Speaker 3: Joey Weisman, Masato, you know, Shicky Yuek Haxton, all these
Speaker 3: guys that are definitely going to be in our studio
Speaker 3: for something. Right, So he is definitely going to get
Speaker 3: pushed down. Just how long can he hold on for?
Speaker 2: Really? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean that makes sense, Sernheimer. I think he's pretty safe.
Speaker 3: Twelve hundred points, He's in tenth place right now.
Speaker 1: Well, my question is more like, is he going to come?
Speaker 2: No, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't see him coming, like because he's more of
Speaker 3: mixed game guy.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: He obviously plays no Lemon, he plays Pilo, but he is,
Speaker 3: you know, a mixed game guy. I don't think we
Speaker 3: see him come out for any other events but for
Speaker 3: the free roll.
Speaker 2: I you know, I think we see him come for
Speaker 2: the free roll.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you also put it in the basically players
Speaker 1: have to opt in or out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have to change it for this year so
Speaker 3: that we get the full forty. I think that's the
Speaker 3: fairest thing. Obviously, someone like Jeremy Recker wish I did
Speaker 3: that last year. But hey, we're trying to always improve.
Speaker 3: This is one thing we're improving this year. We'll have
Speaker 3: to opt in and have your seat, and you know,
Speaker 3: with that, we probably will kind of have some people
Speaker 3: on standby just in case, you know, there's a there's
Speaker 3: a mis flight or something.
Speaker 2: But I think he'll come.
Speaker 3: The only tough thing for fulfilled, you know, obviously being
Speaker 3: based in like London and obviously traveling for big proger events.
Speaker 2: He's got a family.
Speaker 3: He's going to come out for the free roll and
Speaker 3: then he's gonna fly home then come out a month
Speaker 3: later for the next mix game series. So that might
Speaker 3: be a little wrink or he may be like, yeah,
Speaker 3: pre roll, you know, maybe by then he's like thirty
Speaker 3: fifth this it might not be worth it for him.
Speaker 3: So that's another one. We'll obviously pay close attention to Jeremy.
Speaker 1: So last year last season on the PGT, he was
Speaker 1: the Player of the Year, I meaning he topped the
Speaker 1: leaderboard during the regular season with the most points. Then
Speaker 1: he went on to win the PGT Million dollar championship,
Speaker 1: so the double for the Great Jeremy Osmas. He's currently
Speaker 1: ninety ninth on the leaderboard, so outside of the top forty,
Speaker 1: he's got four hundred and eighty six points. We know
Speaker 1: he's in here for all of the PGT series, playing
Speaker 1: every single event. He plays all the PLO stuff, he
Speaker 1: plays all the mixed game stuff. He'll play obviously the
Speaker 1: bigger by ins too, He'll play the smaller biens. He'll
Speaker 1: really do it all. He has eleven cashes on the
Speaker 1: PGT this season, four final tables, no wins. Now partly
Speaker 1: why he's not doing as well as last year. As
Speaker 1: last year, if you remember, during the summer he had
Speaker 1: an incredible summer. He had multiple final tables, deep runs,
Speaker 1: all in big buy in PGT qualifying events. He didn't
Speaker 1: really have that good of a summer this year. Of course,
Speaker 1: as we know, he was on our twenty five K team,
Speaker 1: so he's he's lacking those WSOP points right that helped
Speaker 1: boost a lot of these guys up the leaderboard. You know,
Speaker 1: last season, at this same point, after the WSOP, after
Speaker 1: all the ARIA high rollers in the summer, he had
Speaker 1: fourteen hundred and ninety nine points, So he's about a
Speaker 1: thousand off, a little bit more than a thousand off,
Speaker 1: and he was he had fifteen cashes last season at
Speaker 1: this point, he was in fifth place overall. So do
Speaker 1: we think Jeremy's gonna make it into the top forty.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be tough.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he makes it. I think he
Speaker 1: makes it, but it's gonna he's got to grind.
Speaker 3: He that has to like win something big or he's
Speaker 3: gonna be grinding these results. Remember, you know, before he uh,
Speaker 3: there was a point at Lossie where he had gone
Speaker 3: like four hundred days that winning an event or something,
Speaker 3: and he was just getting a lot of cashes, getting
Speaker 3: a lot of seconds, thirds, fourth and fifths, but still
Speaker 3: like in the right member this year obviously not breaking
Speaker 3: that way. But I feel like he's just gotta start
Speaker 3: stringing cashes together, thirty points a time, forty points a time,
Speaker 3: and hope one of those can be piled into a
Speaker 3: nice big, you know, two hundred or three hundred point win,
Speaker 3: you know, send him right up there. I think he'll
Speaker 3: make it. I think it's going to be a sweat.
Speaker 3: He's going to be fighting, you know.
Speaker 1: Truth.
Speaker 3: And now to the very end, he's also going to
Speaker 3: stop skipping. You knows he skipped the mix game series,
Speaker 3: So I mean he's saying he would be first right now,
Speaker 3: but like, hey, you miss a series, there's obviously missing
Speaker 3: chances to win points.
Speaker 1: I mean he's I think right now he's averaging forty
Speaker 1: four points per cash. If he stays on that sort
Speaker 1: of pace, he's going to need like fifteen sixteen more cashes,
Speaker 1: which is kind of be kind of hard to do. So,
Speaker 1: like you said, I think he's gonna need I mean, that'll.
Speaker 2: Get him to SERI had twenty seven cashes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm saying, but right now, with with how
Speaker 1: many events are left, I'm saying he had he had
Speaker 1: fifteen at this point last year, so he's four cashes
Speaker 1: ahead of where he is. Yeah, So I'm saying, like
Speaker 1: there's just there's all you know, there's only so many events.
Speaker 1: It's like it's I'm just saying he has to he
Speaker 1: has to basically make up for it at some point,
Speaker 1: so you know, we'll see. Of course, I think he'll
Speaker 1: get in, But of course it's it's still TBD and
Speaker 1: is going to be big because there's a whole crap
Speaker 1: ton of PGT stuff that is coming up. Then s
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Speaker 1: win it. He was once, you know, during like those
Speaker 1: big I would say two thousand and nine to like sixteen,
Speaker 1: he was a big name. It was you know, he was,
Speaker 1: he was up there. He did have a big kind
Speaker 1: of results gap from twenty eighteen to twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: There was only one cash I think it was for
Speaker 1: fifteen K in twenty nineteen. But other than that, nothing
Speaker 1: going on.
Speaker 2: I think he had a child, right, huh. I think
Speaker 2: he had a child.
Speaker 1: He might have, And I also think he like he
Speaker 1: relocated to Florida.
Speaker 2: I think he plays, and I think he used to
Speaker 2: play out of cash.
Speaker 1: I think he was focused on cash. Well now it
Speaker 1: seems like he's back in the tournament, playing a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff down at Seminole. I think last year during
Speaker 1: Semino or maybe earlier this year, one of those years,
Speaker 1: I don't know, he had a win for like ninety
Speaker 1: K or ninety five K or something like that. This
Speaker 1: win here is his third largest career score. Jeremy Wine
Speaker 1: got second, Stephen Song got third, on jelco On Drakovitz
Speaker 1: got fourth, Sean Davis got fifth, Our Linda John's sixth,
Speaker 1: jasper Ma seventh, Joseph Kurcio eighth, Big Uni ninth, Chris
Speaker 1: Unkean ninth, and Eric Kolodney got to tenth. There goes,
Speaker 1: There goes my wedding ring on the floor. The field
Speaker 1: size for this one, so this year eight hundred and
Speaker 1: eighty nine entries is up from the year before eight
Speaker 1: sixty five. But I mean this event used to get
Speaker 1: well over one thousand twenty twenty one, so coming out
Speaker 1: of the pandemic eleven eighty twenty twenty two, eleven ten,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, one thousand and seventy, so kind of
Speaker 1: like those slight declines for those years and then a
Speaker 1: big drop off, yeah, from one thosy seventy to eight
Speaker 1: sixty five for twenty twenty three to twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: So just kind of interesting to point that out. I
Speaker 1: don't really have a take or lean or a big
Speaker 1: thought here.
Speaker 2: I have it take okay, go ahead.
Speaker 3: It's too much on there's too many options for these players,
Speaker 3: whether the buyers, three K, five K, there's just a
Speaker 3: lot of that stuff. Now you talk about the PGT obviously,
Speaker 3: you know we use to specialize in those you know,
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one to twenty two higher stuff. Now we've
Speaker 3: obviously brought it down to fives. You know, we added Texas,
Speaker 3: so there's a three. You know, We've got an event
Speaker 3: of Venetian coming up that's another three K, and then
Speaker 3: other venues too. There's just a lot of options for players.
Speaker 3: And then you have to also throw in World Series
Speaker 3: of Poker. What I mean by that is the evolution,
Speaker 3: the increase in events at the World Series, but also
Speaker 3: just the increase of events in Vegas during the World Series.
Speaker 3: It's just so much on offer, so much money you
Speaker 3: need to spend and have, and you finish that it's
Speaker 3: July eighteenth. All you want to do is sleep and
Speaker 3: not think about poker anymore. And this is the first
Speaker 3: big series, so some people, you know, still have a
Speaker 3: bit of a WSP hangover. You know, there's also after this.
Speaker 3: There's people right now flying for EPT Barcelona. There's a
Speaker 3: series in Cyprus. There's just so much going on and
Speaker 3: that you know, people have to pick and chrus and
Speaker 3: when this series, you know, there's so many good events
Speaker 3: here at Seminole. This Big Fall is a great one,
Speaker 3: but sometimes you just got to pick one to not play,
Speaker 3: and I think that's kind of the I would say
Speaker 3: that is one of the major reasons in the decline.
Speaker 3: I think it's anything against Seminal. I think it's more
Speaker 3: against everything else that's going on tournament schedule wise.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that that makes sense. I
Speaker 1: think this is one of those things where worth monitoring.
Speaker 1: You know, we'll point it out and then we'll keep
Speaker 1: an eye on and we'll see what happens next year as
Speaker 1: it relates to this. I know, they obviously do a
Speaker 1: lot of events at Seminole throughout the year, so you know,
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit of fatigue there. Yeah, for their
Speaker 1: events in general. You know, maybe I'll try and do
Speaker 1: some digging in terms of these numbers and look at
Speaker 1: them a little bit more closely, just to kind of
Speaker 1: see how they're performing over the years, not just the
Speaker 1: main event, but maybe some of the other bigger buying stuff,
Speaker 1: and you know, also look at all the Seminal events
Speaker 1: as opposed to just this one. So so yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: see how that goes. One of the biggest story stories
Speaker 1: to come out of this series was this this situation
Speaker 1: where a player got dealt three cards at the feature
Speaker 1: table Nile Costagen believe he's out of Ireland if I.
Speaker 3: Played on tam Usa in the well really Vegas. Okay,
Speaker 3: so he was.
Speaker 1: He's playing on the future table on like day two
Speaker 1: or something like whatever, and I mean, it's not the
Speaker 1: final table is my main point. And he's dealt three cards.
Speaker 1: He plays the entire hand. He raises pre flop. I
Speaker 1: think he bets flop, turning river on a king. I
Speaker 1: think it was like King ten eight turn eight river whatever. Like,
Speaker 1: he bets the whole way. He ends up getting called
Speaker 1: by King Jack. He goes to turn his hand over
Speaker 1: and he turns over three cards and immediately like starts
Speaker 1: freaking out, like he's really annoyed because of the situation.
Speaker 1: And I think he understood. He probably knows at that
Speaker 1: point that they might be killing his hand, meaning he
Speaker 1: loses the pots. It's a whole thing. Floor obviously gets called.
Speaker 1: They hear everything out. This is all on stream, by
Speaker 1: the way, you can go. You can go on to
Speaker 1: the shrpo YouTube channel and you can watch this whatever
Speaker 1: day that it was on. It happened right on the
Speaker 1: three hour fifty minute mark. So it's ruled that his
Speaker 1: hand is dead. So the player in the one seat
Speaker 1: is awarded the pot and you know, Costagens like freaking
Speaker 1: out a little bit. I mean, he claims that he
Speaker 1: thought he had well top set on the flop, turns
Speaker 1: a full house and is just betting for value the
Speaker 1: whole way.
Speaker 3: The chiographics, by the way, said he had Ace king because.
Speaker 1: The ace was the other card.
Speaker 2: He had.
Speaker 1: Ace King King is what he was dealt. So there's
Speaker 1: kind of a lot to unpack here. The first thing
Speaker 1: I'll say is that he was not in the small blind.
Speaker 1: He was, I believe, under the gun plus one. So
Speaker 1: it's not like the dealer went around the table and
Speaker 1: then went around one extra spot, dealt the button the
Speaker 1: last card, and then went one more to the small blind. No,
Speaker 1: so what happened was is two cards got stuck together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I mean maybe that's what happens a lot. There's
Speaker 1: sweat on someone's hands, it's humid in Florida, the cards
Speaker 1: get stuck together. You know, I think I saw I
Speaker 1: want to say it was Christian Harder said that he
Speaker 1: played on the feature table and the cards were like
Speaker 1: almost magnetic in a weird way. So maybe they're elementary
Speaker 1: are a little and I mean he quickly looked he's
Speaker 1: getting a massage like hes. I personally don't think there
Speaker 1: was any sort of issue with him, like angling or
Speaker 1: anything like that. I think it's outrageous that it's just
Speaker 1: ruled a dead hand. And I know you disagree.
Speaker 2: That's the ruling, Okay, and that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Here's here's what I'll say. We need to get away
Speaker 1: from the fact that rulings like this just need to
Speaker 1: be entirely black or white. I think, for probably, if
Speaker 1: I'm going to put a percentage on it, let's say
Speaker 1: eighty percent of rulings can probably be black or white.
Speaker 1: This is the rule, this is the result of that rule, like,
Speaker 1: this is what happens. I think for the other twenty percent,
Speaker 1: we should probably use our judgment. Like when people go
Speaker 1: into a courtroom the judge, here's the evidence, and the
Speaker 1: judge will sometimes say, you know what, this time, I'm
Speaker 1: going to give you a warning, sir, I know you
Speaker 1: were speeding, don't f and speed again. Drive safe home.
Speaker 1: What the heck are you doing? Like they use their
Speaker 1: judgment at times.
Speaker 2: I agree with that.
Speaker 1: If we're paying rake as players, and that RAKE is
Speaker 1: oftentimes increasing, you know, across the industry, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to speak specific to Samon, I'm just going to say
Speaker 1: across the industry, and there are generally pretty good floor people.
Speaker 1: I know that Seminole has good floor people. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: I you know, they always have really good floor people
Speaker 1: that have been around the block that know they should
Speaker 1: be able to make the judgment calls at times. Also,
Speaker 1: I think that if you in this case, you can
Speaker 1: look at the stream like I know, I know times
Speaker 1: you can look at cameras. The camera qualities for the
Speaker 1: overhead security cameras are not always the best, but the
Speaker 1: streams they're in freaking four K. Like, let's go look
Speaker 1: at the tape and see exactly what happened. It's clear
Speaker 1: that like the dealer pitched the two cards stuck together
Speaker 1: and he quickly looked. He never looks back at his
Speaker 1: hand the entire time, like it's just sitting there, he's
Speaker 1: getting a massage, like I don't know.
Speaker 3: There's also you should mention alongside that that regardless of
Speaker 3: what two CODs he uses from his hand, still wins
Speaker 3: the pot. Well, if he has the ace King, he
Speaker 3: still wins, right because it was against King King Jack.
Speaker 1: So I mean, I just I lean to give this
Speaker 1: player the benefit of the doubt. I know that there
Speaker 1: are situations where people can possibly angle in this situation,
Speaker 1: in this specific one, I feel like it's a it's
Speaker 1: a judgment call type of thing. I feel like it's
Speaker 1: a stern warning, you know, like I don't know, I
Speaker 1: just feel like just I feel like it's partly lazy
Speaker 1: on the people who generate the rules to just say, like,
Speaker 1: this is the rule, this is what we go with
Speaker 1: as opposed to installing some sort of judgment call, because
Speaker 1: like again, when we're paying Rake, we're expecting for these
Speaker 1: people to be experts to what they do, which in
Speaker 1: this case, I believe that seminal people are. Then I
Speaker 1: have confidence in them making some judgment calls in certain
Speaker 1: unique situations, very very unique situations. I will also say
Speaker 1: that just defaulting to the fact that it's on the
Speaker 1: players is ridiculous. This happened again, by the way, about
Speaker 1: twenty five minutes later, somebody was also dealt three cards,
Speaker 1: same sort of situation, Like is it just always the
Speaker 1: player's fault or like can the dealer figure out how
Speaker 1: to pitch the cards? Like can we also worry about that?
Speaker 1: You know? So it's like it's like you can't just
Speaker 1: like default be like, yeah, it's the player's fault, okay,
Speaker 1: Like to me, this is like faulty equipment. The two
Speaker 1: things got stuck together. You know how stiff RFID cards are,
Speaker 1: So like normally you peel three cards, you might be like, okay,
Speaker 1: three cards, right. We already know that RFID cards are
Speaker 1: very stiff, so if you're not used to peeling them regularly,
Speaker 1: you might just think, like, even if it feels a
Speaker 1: little bit stiffer than normal, you might just be like, well,
Speaker 1: it's RFID, they're stiff anyway. Yeah, right, So you're not
Speaker 1: gonna ever like really question it. So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: And then also there's the aspect that I you know,
Speaker 1: some people out there are like, well, why didn't the
Speaker 1: card reader pick up that he had three cards? That's
Speaker 1: not how this works. Like one, there's different programs for
Speaker 1: like when you use poo and when you use hold
Speaker 1: them like, it's never going to populate four cards and
Speaker 1: hold them for a for you know, and do it
Speaker 1: like plo like, so it's not going to show three cards. Also,
Speaker 1: we always tell the players in the studio everywhere. I
Speaker 1: know they probably tell them down there, you know, you're
Speaker 1: supposed to spread your cards, put them on the reader
Speaker 1: for a couple of seconds, and then put them back.
Speaker 1: You know, so if he puts them like that, but
Speaker 1: two are still on top of each other, it's never
Speaker 1: going to read that top card, or it's never going
Speaker 1: to read one of the car it's not going to
Speaker 1: read one of the cards. So, you know, I think
Speaker 1: that's also part of it, you know. I just what
Speaker 1: I would have done is and I wouldn't have done
Speaker 1: like I think afterwards he like kind of freaked out
Speaker 1: and was like, why isn't it a chop pot? I
Speaker 1: would have just reset everything. Again, this is on stream,
Speaker 1: and this is a unique situation. I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: this result what I'm advocating for is something that should
Speaker 1: be done everywhere, because obviously that can't be done, especially
Speaker 1: when it's on non stream file tables, because then you
Speaker 1: have the issue of, like people, there's the potential that
Speaker 1: people angle more because it's not on a stream and
Speaker 1: you can't see everything. Here you can see everything. You
Speaker 1: can you know, walk it back, you can look at it,
Speaker 1: and then you can also reconstruct the pot perfectly, be
Speaker 1: like okay, everyone take the chips back. Miss deal. Let's
Speaker 1: move on, buddy. If this happens again, like not only
Speaker 1: is it a dead hand, you're getting a three round
Speaker 1: penalty like like you know that sort of thing, like
Speaker 1: like that's what I personally think should have been done,
Speaker 1: a break from the rules. Give your case.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna agree with you on the fact that you know,
Speaker 3: maybe some of these rules need to have Oh so
Speaker 3: now you agree with a bit of leniency where you
Speaker 3: can make it up to the TV's discretion. Now, I
Speaker 3: don't know what rule seminal follows, but if they're following
Speaker 3: the rule book, then the spot on. Now let's wind
Speaker 3: back to start. Whose fault is it? It's a bit
Speaker 3: of both. Bit of bout the dealers that hey it
Speaker 3: wasn't didn't make sure that that pitch was a single
Speaker 3: cup pitch.
Speaker 2: It's also on the place to get that caught.
Speaker 1: Why can it also be no one's It's just the
Speaker 1: fact that the courts.
Speaker 3: Together has to be someone's fault. You're dealing the cards.
Speaker 3: That's the point courts stuck together. Point two point two
Speaker 3: is also the players should make sure like I've been
Speaker 3: dealt three cards before playing hold of make how know
Speaker 3: I got three cards or I haven't.
Speaker 2: Been dealt a card on the button. That kind of
Speaker 2: stuff happens a lot. Now.
Speaker 3: The way the rule is written, I think it's it's
Speaker 3: completely fine because the rules are written to protect players, Okay,
Speaker 3: and I'm not saying that he is trying to angle
Speaker 3: and like you know, we've brought that up, but it's otherwise.
Speaker 3: It's written so he can't. You can't free roll someone.
Speaker 3: What I mean by that is you're dealt three cards.
Speaker 3: You oh, I've got three cards. Well, I know, let's
Speaker 3: say it's the rules written your way, we chop it.
Speaker 3: I can just free roll this play. I can just bet, bet, bet,
Speaker 3: But he calls on the end of oh I got
Speaker 3: three cards, I chop it up. I'm basically I can
Speaker 3: free roll opponent. So I'm trying. The rules are in
Speaker 3: to protect, not the guy with three cards. It's to
Speaker 3: protect the guy doesn't have three cards. And I think
Speaker 3: it's fine. I understand. I like what you're saying that.
Speaker 3: You know, like there's gonna be times where we've all
Speaker 3: played poker. We've been dealt two jacks and it comes
Speaker 3: all clubs and you know you have a black jack.
Speaker 3: You check your cards, right, there's gonna be times where
Speaker 3: you could potentially be dealt three cards and they're three aces,
Speaker 3: and you don't really think twice.
Speaker 2: You just squeeze.
Speaker 3: You might have squeezed all three, but you might have
Speaker 3: just thought you had a black ace, so you didn't
Speaker 3: think too much of it. Another time is have it
Speaker 3: if a dealer deals that second card and it's stuck
Speaker 3: under a napkin or stuck under the rail, that's.
Speaker 2: Not your fault right at all.
Speaker 3: So I definitely agree that maybe we do need some,
Speaker 3: you know, TD discretion with certain rules. This is one
Speaker 3: where you could obviously look at his hand and be like,
Speaker 3: you either had two kings for a full house, or
Speaker 3: you had ace King for two pair with the best
Speaker 3: kicker you win anyway. I don't think there's anything malicious
Speaker 3: here him arguing I'm arguing that I would have a
Speaker 3: value at Ace King.
Speaker 2: I don't think that.
Speaker 1: Also, the fact that the way that this one played
Speaker 1: out where he were in the position that he was in,
Speaker 1: we also don't know if his first card doubled up
Speaker 1: or his second card double up, but it messed up
Speaker 1: the entire world. The whole hand is off, the whole
Speaker 1: hands off, the full hand is wrong. Yeah, like it's
Speaker 1: one wrong here, but.
Speaker 3: That's just the normal thing where it's like significant action then,
Speaker 3: but it's.
Speaker 1: Not like it's not like if she would have dealt,
Speaker 1: if the dealer would have dealt all the cards and
Speaker 1: then dealt an extra card to the small blind, everyone
Speaker 1: else's hands, everyone's house. So it's a little bit different.
Speaker 1: This is like literally everyone's hand is wrong. It's just wrong.
Speaker 2: Except the blinds. Right, huh except the blinds.
Speaker 1: Well, it depends when that card. I thought you said
Speaker 1: it was his second cun I don't know if it
Speaker 1: was a second card or not. We don't know.
Speaker 3: We justly pitches to him twice. So yeah, potentially either way,
Speaker 3: you are great. Does throw off the whole hand. But
Speaker 3: then that's the other role with the significant action rule,
Speaker 3: which also.
Speaker 1: It throws off the whole hand, It throws off the flow,
Speaker 1: it throws off literally everything.
Speaker 2: As the rule is. I think it's I would also.
Speaker 1: Rather be where they reconstruct the hand, give everyone their
Speaker 1: chips back, and then issue the guy a penalty. I
Speaker 1: think that's a better ruling than him just losing the pot.
Speaker 1: Oh ok saying so I'd be like, listen, you you
Speaker 1: played the hand with three cards. Now, I can't judge intent.
Speaker 1: If I'm the TD, I can't judge intent, but I'm
Speaker 1: putting you on a one round penalty. It's it's the
Speaker 1: same thing like when when people who are beginner players
Speaker 1: they check back the river with the nuts, and we
Speaker 1: were giving people one round penalties for that. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: are you like you're you can't judge intent? Okay, Now
Speaker 1: some people that might have been playing with people might
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, this person's clearly new, they didn't mean
Speaker 1: it whatever, you know, but it doesn't matter. The rule
Speaker 1: is a one round penalty. We're not going to judge intent.
Speaker 1: So here I would be like, we're not going to
Speaker 1: judge intent, but because this hand is so fed up, okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna give you a one round penalty, but you're
Speaker 1: gonna get your chips back. I think I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that that's the way that I would go. I would
Speaker 1: go with what I said first, but I'm saying I
Speaker 1: think that is better than him losing all his chips.
Speaker 1: That's where it gets like, this hand should not have happened.
Speaker 1: And I've said this before on this podcast. In situations
Speaker 1: when the hand should literally not have happened, why don't
Speaker 1: we just take it all back. We have the ability
Speaker 1: in most cases to take it all back. Yeah, So,
Speaker 1: like I don't know, like, especially in this case where
Speaker 1: it's on a stream, just take it back. Like it
Speaker 1: it seems so ridiculous that this person just loses a
Speaker 1: bunch of their chips because of some faulty equipment, like
Speaker 1: two cards got stuck together, like it just happens, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like it's that seems so ridiculous to me in a
Speaker 1: world when I'm supposed to believe that that tournament staff
Speaker 1: are experts and if that's the case, which I tend
Speaker 1: to believe, yes that is the case, then I would
Speaker 1: trust them in very very very unique situations to make
Speaker 1: a judgment call. But now if that judgment call turns
Speaker 1: into abuse and we find out this player is then
Speaker 1: doing it more later on, then it's like okay, buddy, listen,
Speaker 1: Like you're gonna get a three round penalty, You're possibly
Speaker 1: just gonna get snapdecued. Like it's just it's getting ridiculous
Speaker 1: at this point, like that, like I would, I would,
Speaker 1: I would fast track it in that regard, But this
Speaker 1: first one just seems so like crazy, and it's again
Speaker 1: it's such a unique situation and unique situations, I think
Speaker 1: you have to kind of think things through, take in
Speaker 1: all the evidence, use some common sense, and not just
Speaker 1: be like, well, this is what the rule book says,
Speaker 1: Like I would be curious. I haven't read the entire
Speaker 1: rule book. I'm not ever going to do that, but like,
Speaker 1: what is the rule book on penalties? Because penalties seem
Speaker 1: largely judgment calls. Some floors might give a one round penalty,
Speaker 1: some might give a warning, some might give three rounds,
Speaker 1: some might give a hand Like what is actually are
Speaker 1: the actual rules or are all the rules judgment calls?
Speaker 1: Because one I'll say that, Okay, if there are hard
Speaker 1: rules for penalties, but then you're doing judgment calls, then
Speaker 1: the ability to break from the rules is there? Or
Speaker 1: if the rules say you make a judgment call on penalties,
Speaker 1: then why can't there also be judgment calls. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I personally just feel like this was a bit much
Speaker 1: to just give the other guy. It just seems.
Speaker 2: Ridiculous to me looking. Yeah, I don't get the TV, but.
Speaker 1: Like the TDA rules. Also, I read an article on
Speaker 1: poker dot org where they talked with Matt Savage who
Speaker 1: obviously talks you know, works with them on this sort
Speaker 1: of stuff. There was a quote in there from Matt
Speaker 1: shout out Matt Savage, where see he said that he
Speaker 1: sees this a.
Speaker 2: Lot is a very short one.
Speaker 1: Have you seen this ever? I have literally never said something. No, okay,
Speaker 1: there's three cards, but there's three cards in the position
Speaker 1: that this guy was in, meaning he was clearly dealt
Speaker 1: to at the same time. How many hands of tournament
Speaker 1: poker have you covered and played? Have you ever seen this?
Speaker 3: I've seen it a surprisingly a lot amount of times,
Speaker 3: but not like it the way he's saying it, And
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 1: Like, there's I have I have never seen this like
Speaker 1: I've seen people.
Speaker 3: I've seen it where it's like it's been when I
Speaker 3: played poker last week and it happened.
Speaker 1: I've seen it with a small blinde gets done in like.
Speaker 3: Middle position and like then the deal is like, oh
Speaker 3: wait a second, Uh the top CODs is the bottom
Speaker 3: cards his? But that's more like the players the cards
Speaker 3: are all over the place. No, but like I've seen
Speaker 3: two cards come out. I reckon I would see two
Speaker 3: cards have come out. I would say average wants every
Speaker 3: like three PoCA session.
Speaker 1: But have you seen it where what I'm saying is
Speaker 1: we're like literally the cards stuck together. So like you
Speaker 1: don't know that's what That's what I'm saying. I've seen
Speaker 1: two cards come out, yes, but like you have, I
Speaker 1: don't think I've ever seen it where like it gets
Speaker 1: like you can watch the pitch, it does not look
Speaker 1: like two cards at all at any point, Like it's
Speaker 1: clearly you know, one looks they're just stuck together. It's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know how you can see that in that position.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if I've ever seen it like that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so I'm not as a strong word from
Speaker 3: missus Savage.
Speaker 1: No, I know what you're saying. Normally, like you know,
Speaker 1: two cards kind of come out, they're kind of close
Speaker 1: to each other because they break apart at some point
Speaker 1: and it's like, well which card's mind? Which card's not
Speaker 1: on the doers, Like, well, that one's yours and that
Speaker 1: one's yours. You know that that happens a fair amount, yes,
Speaker 1: but never that the card is fully made it into
Speaker 1: the guy's hand, you know, without breaking it all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because even if it I've I think i've seen it
Speaker 1: where like it's gotten pretty close and the dealer will
Speaker 1: be like, oh, there's two cards, Like the dealer snap
Speaker 1: knows right, So it's just just yeah. Again, I think
Speaker 1: this is an entirely unique situation that calls for a
Speaker 1: unique ruling right now. Again, this should not be the
Speaker 1: rule at all times, and not everything should be a
Speaker 1: judgment call. The majority of stuff, the large majority of
Speaker 1: stuff should be this is the rule, this is what happens.
Speaker 1: This is like the penalty or this is the ruling
Speaker 1: or whatever the result in this situation. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it's a bit much like I go back
Speaker 1: to the hand with with Gail Bauman and Andre karaknai
Speaker 1: w is a main event where like isn't the rule
Speaker 1: that he had he said call or set all in
Speaker 1: or whatever, so like he has to call, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's like okay, but and then but then they
Speaker 1: made a judgment call and they said, you know, you're
Speaker 1: not going to use your lose your tournament life because
Speaker 1: you didn't see it, Like that was a judgment call.
Speaker 1: But isn't the rule Like all the people saying like, listen,
Speaker 1: you're the player, you gotta protect yourself. Well, if he
Speaker 1: didn't see it, so you see the rays and set
Speaker 1: all in and she's got two kings. I mean, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: she's got to call you buddy, and your tips are
Speaker 1: in the middle. That's just how it is.
Speaker 2: Like, no, no, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: So anyway, that's my uh my rant on that I
Speaker 1: have another uh I have a take. Okay, there's been
Speaker 1: a lot of conversation I think, feel like in the
Speaker 1: past week or two, and it's mostly Daniel m'growney and
Speaker 1: Matt Savage are like going at it about this clock situation.
Speaker 1: Like one mgran who's in some article I think on
Speaker 1: poker dot org saying like, don't call it an action clock.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know, so I think he's like
Speaker 1: half joking. But also like obviously Savage works for WPT
Speaker 1: and they have the action clock, like it's trademark that clock.
Speaker 1: I like the term action clock, Like I wish that
Speaker 1: it wasn't trademark so that we could use that everywhere
Speaker 1: because I hate calling you the shot clock. Like mgrannio says, like,
Speaker 1: we're not calling it an action clock, it's a shot clock. Well,
Speaker 1: there's no shots in poker. We took it from the NBA,
Speaker 1: is what we did. Because we're easy as poker people
Speaker 1: and we're not creative at all, but that's how we are.
Speaker 3: I don't know the PGT sholock. I would not call
Speaker 3: it a shot clock, but okay, that's probably right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: My new thought is that clocks everywhere in poker, the
Speaker 1: the the action clocks, the play clocks, the shock clocks,
Speaker 1: whatever the heck you want to call them, Like we're
Speaker 1: giving these guys too much time? Okay. My thought is
Speaker 1: that isn't the point of this to actually create some
Speaker 1: urgency in poker? And it never becomes a thing, Whereas
Speaker 1: if you want to go look at the NBA, the
Speaker 1: shot clock in the NBA becomes a part of a
Speaker 1: game multiple times a game. The play clock in the
Speaker 1: NFL becomes part of the game multiple times a game.
Speaker 1: I feel like these clocks in poker, with these time extensions,
Speaker 1: like never become a thing. It's so rare. Shouldn't it
Speaker 1: be more of a thing? Like why should people get
Speaker 1: the found tables and they have thirty of these fin
Speaker 1: things and like they can just take seven minutes.
Speaker 2: That's on the upright them more than anything.
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying, Like, shouldn't we shouldn't there
Speaker 1: be less times that if these are in play, shouldn't
Speaker 1: they they be in play also to create more urgency,
Speaker 1: And then it becomes more of a thing. It becomes
Speaker 1: more involved in the competition.
Speaker 3: It becomes more like everything is urgent, much different to
Speaker 3: what it was to say, five to ten years ago.
Speaker 3: Now there's not four minutes every straight like you have time,
Speaker 3: you have a set shot clock, and you have time extensions.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I feel like it's not I
Speaker 1: feel like it's not as urgent as the intention is
Speaker 1: originally set out for it to be.
Speaker 3: I think the intention was to prevent the long tanks
Speaker 3: and long delays. I think it's done that now people
Speaker 3: abuse that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but some people would say the opposite. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying I would, but some people say that it's worse
Speaker 1: with clocks because people take the full thirty seconds or
Speaker 1: the full twenty.
Speaker 3: Second, and then once that happens, we started making change
Speaker 3: twenty second and it's it's never going to be perfect.
Speaker 3: There's going to be people that find ways so abuse
Speaker 3: every rule in poker. Wow, Until we can invent a
Speaker 3: live like we have online, like a chess clock. Yeah,
Speaker 3: until someone can patent that and do that live. I
Speaker 3: think we're always going to have issues, and it's just
Speaker 3: about trying to perfect the clock as much as we can.
Speaker 3: And we've made changes every season here with the amount
Speaker 3: of time extensions, with the twenty seconds pre the thirty
Speaker 3: posts all that, and everyone is always going to keep
Speaker 3: making changes to find what's best, so adjust as needed.
Speaker 2: It's just hot, it's just really hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just I could be entirely wrong here in
Speaker 1: terms of like what I think I see, But I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm in commentary boosts enough now that when
Speaker 1: it comes to final tables, I just don't feel like
Speaker 1: the clock becomes a pressing point as often as it
Speaker 1: may should or as it should be, like it should
Speaker 1: be a factor more that like you're running out of
Speaker 1: time extensions, you have to act quicker, Like I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's just interesting to me, Like I feel like it's
Speaker 1: just not really an issue if you just play like
Speaker 1: halfway normal, it's just it's just fine. You're never really
Speaker 1: a risk. It's like, maybe do we want to increase
Speaker 1: that risk a little bit? And it would it lead
Speaker 1: to a better entertainment.
Speaker 2: From prevy aspect, Like it feels like you're coming.
Speaker 1: I think aspect well, I think, but I think originally
Speaker 1: the clocks were put into play for entertainment.
Speaker 2: No, I disagree, completely disagree.
Speaker 3: Why I think that'll put it in to prevent we
Speaker 3: were round when the first action clock, remember the first
Speaker 3: action clock was WPT chucktaw like twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1: Yes, but it was. It was, if I remember it correctly.
Speaker 1: It's because everyone was complaining that poker is taking so long.
Speaker 2: If but that was.
Speaker 1: I don't think that was like the TV is is.
Speaker 1: But I'm not saying I'm not saying entertainment in forms
Speaker 1: of TV. I'm saying entertainment in terms of like the
Speaker 1: actual playing product.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, but that's yeah, that's that's that's what we agree.
Speaker 1: Ones Like when I sit down at a table, I
Speaker 1: don't want to play five hands an hour, like I
Speaker 1: want to play more hands.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: I think every time I think falls to some degree
Speaker 1: in an a teamment bucket.
Speaker 3: A Venetian to play the three hundred something I'll be tomorrow,
Speaker 3: But there's also a three hundred dollars at the Venetian
Speaker 3: on the other side of the room. One has a
Speaker 3: shot clock from the start. One has the normal Venetian
Speaker 3: rules or the shot clocks like in the money right,
Speaker 3: which one do you play?
Speaker 1: I mean fell sizes are the same, Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: obviously you probably play the shot clock.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I would agree.
Speaker 3: The reason we don't have shot clocks in every event
Speaker 3: is just the amount of you know, the logistics behind
Speaker 3: it having clocks at every table. We need a lot
Speaker 3: of time intensions. It's a lot of it's a bit
Speaker 3: more labor, et cetera. But I think everyone would agree
Speaker 3: that having a shot clock from the side is better
Speaker 3: in all events. But there is more tour than that.
Speaker 3: There is the labor aspect. Does every table have a
Speaker 3: clock for us? You know, we need enough iPads if
Speaker 3: you're a Venetian where they have tablets and built into
Speaker 3: the things, that's doable.
Speaker 1: But I think it's I think players ultimately use a
Speaker 1: fair amount of their time extensions throughout a tournament. I
Speaker 1: just don't think we're getting as close to zero as
Speaker 1: we might want to be. Yeah, like people like fully
Speaker 1: running out of them, like when you run out of
Speaker 1: timeouts and a sporting events just out of timeouts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's what I'm saying. But like it's it's very
Speaker 1: like you have to like really manage it because you
Speaker 1: only get like three and a half for the NFL,
Speaker 1: for example. But I'm saying, like, you get huh is.
Speaker 2: It you get three and a half timeouts? Is that
Speaker 2: what you just said?
Speaker 1: No, I said three and a half three in a half?
Speaker 2: Oh, I think I said three and a half.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I don't know what you get TV
Speaker 3: time out and then non TV time aut Yes, you
Speaker 3: have to manage it. That's part of the strategy, just
Speaker 3: like you have to manage your chips. I think that's
Speaker 3: part of the evolution of Parker. I don't think there's
Speaker 3: anything wrong with that at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But what I'm saying is that if if people
Speaker 1: aren't using them as often, and if people aren't getting
Speaker 1: aren't risking getting close to zero, doesn't that mean that
Speaker 1: we're giving them too much time to begin with?
Speaker 3: Sure, and time extentis should be adjusted according to the
Speaker 3: event and the buying and the length of the event,
Speaker 3: just like we have different amount of time extensions as
Speaker 3: the buying's increase, right, and depending on our event, like
Speaker 3: to say, the three hundred k super higher all the
Speaker 3: ball you get more the next day and then you
Speaker 3: get more at the final table.
Speaker 1: I feel like your first action could probably be ten seconds,
Speaker 1: they could probably be five.
Speaker 3: Then we're now adding a logistics aspect where okay, dealers
Speaker 3: that have been trained, you know with twenty or thirty
Speaker 3: or thirty thirty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean back to your point of you you
Speaker 1: need the different type of clock.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you need to educate the players and the staffing.
Speaker 3: So there's a lot to it. And I yeah, I
Speaker 3: think we're going to agree with a lot of these things.
Speaker 1: I feel like we should be developing that sort of clock.
Speaker 2: I think about it a lot.
Speaker 1: And I because we have a very controlled space at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, Like we we're in the
Speaker 1: Propago studio right now, and you know there's a maximum
Speaker 1: sixteen tables in here at an absolute maximum. It might
Speaker 1: not even be that many, might be fifteen, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but whatever. But because it's so controlled, like I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's either going to be us
Speaker 1: or it's going to be Triton.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's right.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe it's ws AP as it relates to
Speaker 1: like WSP Paradise, but like I don't think you can
Speaker 1: just develop something for like was be ma an event
Speaker 1: from day one, A like that.
Speaker 2: Would just because's a way to do it.
Speaker 3: Everyone needs basically like some version of an iPad, but
Speaker 3: then you need to put on the table, needs to
Speaker 3: plug in controlled by the d LA. Like there's a
Speaker 3: lot to it, and I think it's going to take.
Speaker 3: I think we're a couple of years away from figuring
Speaker 3: it all out. You know it will get someone will
Speaker 3: agree with.
Speaker 1: You, I agree with you, and this I was thinking
Speaker 1: about this maybe a week ago in that I was
Speaker 1: actually watching an old episode the first season of the
Speaker 1: National Heads of Poker Championship, which you put on Poker
Speaker 1: Go Yeah, which is now available on Poker It's also
Speaker 1: on YouTube. But Henry Ornstein was in that first episode
Speaker 1: or first seas step right, and he obviously invented the
Speaker 1: whole card cam and all that sort of stuff. And like,
Speaker 1: I was trying to think about how that came about,
Speaker 1: and I don't really know exactly, but what I'm thinking
Speaker 1: of is probably at some point there was a conversation
Speaker 1: like how do we show these cards? Yeah, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure they might. I don't know how long it took
Speaker 1: from that like thought or conversation to when it was
Speaker 1: actually developed, but I'm sure there was plenty of ideas
Speaker 1: and brainstorming thrown around, just kind of like.
Speaker 2: Everyone simple, it's like, oh, just put a camera that. Okay,
Speaker 2: let's maybe.
Speaker 1: Listen it was maybe it was maybe it was just
Speaker 1: that simple, right.
Speaker 2: You kind of simplify a chess clock. Okay.
Speaker 1: What I'm what I'm getting at is that I think
Speaker 1: that when my result of this thought process that I
Speaker 1: was having is when we get to that point where
Speaker 1: there is the poker's version of a chess clock, I
Speaker 1: think there's a great, fairly reasonable potential that we're going
Speaker 1: to be like, oh, why didn't we think of that?
Speaker 1: Like it was so easy and somebody did it, and
Speaker 1: we were all going to be like why didn't we
Speaker 1: think of just doing it like that? I feel like
Speaker 1: that's I feel like that's going to be a thing.
Speaker 3: I've thought about it a lot more than probably I
Speaker 3: would be in the top.
Speaker 1: Five percent of I'm sure you are, and it's just.
Speaker 3: Like I just really can't like get my head around
Speaker 3: how to you know, Like I said, I think it's
Speaker 3: I think it's buying a bunch of phones that are
Speaker 3: like locked to the player, and that's like locked you know,
Speaker 3: somehow bluetooth to an iPad. That's the only way I
Speaker 3: can I just I'm not a technology like I wouldn't
Speaker 3: know how to code that. So we need to find
Speaker 3: someone to code that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think you could easily find someone to
Speaker 1: code that. I bet you. I bet you could figure
Speaker 1: it out using AI programs if you spend.
Speaker 3: Spend enough time on it, like the PGT really kicks in,
Speaker 3: maybe I can figure it out with it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's it's so someone.
Speaker 1: Like I just think at some point someone's going to
Speaker 1: be like what, like they're gonna do it. It's gonna
Speaker 1: get done. I think for sure it's gonna get done,
Speaker 1: just a matter of time when it gets done, and
Speaker 1: I think a lot of us are going to be like, oh,
Speaker 1: it wasn't that hard, Like we not that it's super easy, right,
Speaker 1: like you know, cutting a hole in a thing, put
Speaker 1: a camera right like, but it's it's probably not gonna
Speaker 1: be as hard as we think, and we're gonna be like, oh,
Speaker 1: we could have thought of that or oh prog.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, that's pretty easy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that's what I think. There's more like
Speaker 1: that's my thought of how it's going to result.
Speaker 3: But there's just so there's so much more to it
Speaker 3: underneath that you know we wouldn't be privy to.
Speaker 1: I mean sure, yeah, but I also feel like, oh, like, oh,
Speaker 1: we could have we could have done that.
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's a lot of smart people trying to
Speaker 2: figure this out.
Speaker 3: I'm sure try and I'm sure gg have've all tried
Speaker 3: to figure this out. But yeah, I agree with you
Speaker 3: in our space with you know, the max fourteen fifteen tables,
Speaker 3: we should we should have more.
Speaker 1: I mean, could it also be like the chest clock
Speaker 1: is where you literally have to hit a button's.
Speaker 3: A timing thing. Then that's like I could just take
Speaker 3: one extra second to press it. I can press it earlier,
Speaker 3: but it's your own button. Yeah, but like it's my clock,
Speaker 3: so it's always like okay, he's action finishes, So now
Speaker 3: I'm supposed to press mine.
Speaker 1: You don't press I press.
Speaker 3: So that But okay, So then we need seven shot
Speaker 3: clocks all connect, seven chess clocks all connected.
Speaker 2: What happens when the table breaks?
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, like I'm not putting much
Speaker 1: thought into this, but I'm saying like it's gonna be
Speaker 1: something that that's like you.
Speaker 3: Need the chess clock that like clips in to like
Speaker 3: the ethernet port on the tables, So now we have
Speaker 3: to redesign the tables for it to work.
Speaker 1: Ye what of all the tables? I personally also think
Speaker 1: that poker tables are due for like a redesign in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways. Like I feel like there's a
Speaker 1: like the simplest thing is tournament tables. I have no
Speaker 1: idea why they have that giant ass rack in the
Speaker 1: middle of them. No, I'm not saying you don't need
Speaker 1: a rack because there are color up tips and whatever,
Speaker 1: but I feel like that rack could probably be a
Speaker 1: third of the size. And then how other part of
Speaker 1: it is for like the tablet. Why is the tablet
Speaker 1: just got to sit over here and all of the
Speaker 1: nine seed and like we know whatever, Like some players
Speaker 1: are like can you put the can you put the
Speaker 1: tablet in the middle of the table, Like no, that's
Speaker 1: what the flop goes, okay, Like you.
Speaker 3: Know WPA definitely Like there's like you know, obviously when
Speaker 3: you saw a tournament, there's nine chip stacks in the well,
Speaker 3: but then it'll make six of them normally, ask straight away.
Speaker 2: So yes, I would.
Speaker 1: Say, but also if you stack them, it only takes
Speaker 1: up like three two.
Speaker 3: Usual the well could definitely be half shaped in half
Speaker 3: and put the iPad in there, but like something like that.
Speaker 1: But that's like that's I mean, I know it's not here,
Speaker 1: but like that's around the country and around the world.
Speaker 1: That's how your tables.
Speaker 2: Are only tournaments.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying, Venetian, you need to have a multi
Speaker 3: purpose rack for both cash hips.
Speaker 1: You could have a multipurpose rack for sure. I mean
Speaker 1: I would also say that in a lot of cash
Speaker 1: games you might not need all the chips that are
Speaker 1: in there. I mean they put a lot of chipe,
Speaker 1: like a lot of and I played like a one
Speaker 1: to three game. They have like you know, twenty k
Speaker 1: in the rackets, like you know. It's anyway, we've been
Speaker 1: all over the place for the last fifteen twenty minutes
Speaker 1: or so. It's good to be back.
Speaker 2: It is. It's going to be back next week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I really do want to, you know, once
Speaker 1: we get started, stick to.
Speaker 2: Every touch on this thing such on this bay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to talk about the national heads of
Speaker 1: Poker check. We will not tell you who won. It
Speaker 1: has been filmed It is going to post edit and
Speaker 1: it will be airing on Peacock followed by Poker Girl
Speaker 1: and the Poker Stars channels. Details on all the broadcasts
Speaker 1: and streaming releases are still TBD as they work out
Speaker 1: through all the footage and all that sort of stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, But we can't talk about the draw. We
Speaker 1: can talk about the players that were invited.
Speaker 2: About a round sixty four, like who played who? Right, Well, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the draw.
Speaker 1: The draw. I mean, we're not gonna we can't reveal
Speaker 1: any of the play of course. Yeah, I feel like
Speaker 1: I've already forgotten it by out now, but it is
Speaker 1: what it is. But along these lines, I would, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I would highly encourage you guys to go
Speaker 1: watch these past episodes. I mean they are freaking gold.
Speaker 1: I put a new one on every single day. It's
Speaker 1: kind of as background noise or whatever, and then I like,
Speaker 1: I'll catch myself paying attention to it. I mean, just
Speaker 1: what people are wearing, how they're playing, the logos on
Speaker 1: the felt, the design of the sets, you know, the music,
Speaker 1: the music music, the segments, the the number of chips,
Speaker 1: like actual chips they have like six colors, twenty five stacks.
Speaker 1: I mean, the whole thing is it is. It is
Speaker 1: peak poker nostalgia is what it is. So if you
Speaker 1: love that sort of stuff, you can find the old
Speaker 1: National Heads Up Poker Championship episodes in full seasons on
Speaker 1: Poker Girl if you're a Poker Grow subscriber. They're also
Speaker 1: being released on YouTube, but on YouTube they're a bit
Speaker 1: delayed and it's only one episode per day and all
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. But if you want to go
Speaker 1: more of the binge rout and if you are a
Speaker 1: poker gro subscriber, I would highly encourage you guys to
Speaker 1: go check that out on poker Go. All right, we've
Speaker 1: been doing this for way, way, way too long today,
Speaker 1: so let's get out of here for Tim Duckworth. My
Speaker 1: name is Donnie Peters, and we'll talk to you guys
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