WEBVTT 1 00:00:10.800 --> 00:00:13.119 Hello everyone, Welcome back to a new episode of the 2 00:00:13.240 --> 00:00:17.640 Poker Go Podcast. My name is Donnie Peters. His name 3 00:00:17.760 --> 00:00:21.120 is Tim Duckworth. It's been a month. Yeah, it has 4 00:00:21.239 --> 00:00:23.199 been a month. Ye. I don't think it's been fully 5 00:00:23.239 --> 00:00:25.800 a month. So, I mean, I know we promised pretty 6 00:00:25.879 --> 00:00:30.480 much going back to weekly cadence, but you know, needed 7 00:00:30.559 --> 00:00:37.799 some rest and relaxation slash laziness slash not laziness because 8 00:00:37.840 --> 00:00:40.439 we're gotten the way. But we're back. We are back. 9 00:00:40.479 --> 00:00:42.200 We are in the Poker gro studio right now. We 10 00:00:42.240 --> 00:00:44.679 also have a new table. Yeah, this was taken from 11 00:00:44.719 --> 00:00:48.640 the set of the National Heads of Poker Championship. I 12 00:00:48.640 --> 00:00:50.920 think we got to get a new felt or something. 13 00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:53.159 You put some stuff on it. I feel like this 14 00:00:53.200 --> 00:00:55.320 is going to be our podcast table now. We have upgraded. 15 00:00:55.560 --> 00:01:00.200 We have upgraded, so it's a little shaky, okay, but 16 00:01:00.280 --> 00:01:02.799 you know we'll make it work. Of course for you guys. 17 00:01:03.159 --> 00:01:06.319 It is Thursday, August fourteenth. Got to do the time. 18 00:01:06.439 --> 00:01:14.560 It's one. We're gonna take it back in time a 19 00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:17.480 little bit. We're gonna wrap up SOMEBSIP stuff. Not gonna 20 00:01:17.519 --> 00:01:20.640 be talking about it too much, but there are some 21 00:01:20.680 --> 00:01:22.359 results that we didn't hit on that. I just want 22 00:01:22.359 --> 00:01:24.959 to kind of mention, you know, put a bow on that, 23 00:01:25.280 --> 00:01:28.959 and then we're gonna lead into the play Player of 24 00:01:28.959 --> 00:01:33.560 the Year. There were some, uh what's some debate around 25 00:01:33.599 --> 00:01:35.359 the WAP Player of the Year that I kind of 26 00:01:35.400 --> 00:01:38.159 want to get Tim's thoughts on. Of course I'll try 27 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:42.159 and give mine as well. Just some general w SIPPY stats. 28 00:01:42.200 --> 00:01:44.640 Coming off of that, we're gonna wrap up twenty five 29 00:01:44.719 --> 00:01:48.400 K Fantasy. We did not win wamp wamp but whatever, 30 00:01:48.519 --> 00:01:50.560 not a big deal. It is what it is. Uh, 31 00:01:50.599 --> 00:01:53.120 the PGT leader board, we got to hit on that. 32 00:01:53.159 --> 00:01:55.599 We're coming off a big season, a lot of sp 33 00:01:55.680 --> 00:01:58.280 events qualified. Of course there was the Aria high Roller 34 00:01:58.319 --> 00:02:01.040 events that played a big part in it as well. 35 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:04.239 So we'll touch on where the pg leaderboard stands because 36 00:02:04.280 --> 00:02:07.560 we are about two two and a half weeks out 37 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:13.199 from the PGT coming back. September is a massive, shout out, 38 00:02:13.199 --> 00:02:15.919 massive month for the PGG, so we're going to talk 39 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:18.800 about that. I want to hit on the seminal hard 40 00:02:18.879 --> 00:02:24.280 Rock pokeerre Open two reasons. One a very cool winner 41 00:02:25.039 --> 00:02:27.280 and then two you and I are going to debate 42 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:32.400 this ridiculous three card ruling situation. I absolutely cannot wait 43 00:02:32.439 --> 00:02:36.039 to debate this silliness with you. But yeah, that's what 44 00:02:36.039 --> 00:02:38.039 we're going to hit on today. 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All right, Let's slide into these long 77 00:04:15.960 --> 00:04:19.000 overdue do ws AP results that we need to touch on. 78 00:04:19.480 --> 00:04:23.120 First up, Chad Evesledge won the twenty five k horse 79 00:04:23.160 --> 00:04:24.839 He topped the field of one hundred and fifty entries 80 00:04:24.839 --> 00:04:26.800 to win eight hundred and eighty three thousand dollars, his 81 00:04:26.839 --> 00:04:29.279 fourth gold bracelet. This event had one hundred and twenty 82 00:04:29.399 --> 00:04:33.279 entries last year, so a nice big uptick from the 83 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:38.439 year prior. Eas Sledge defeated Brian rast, Toby Lewis was third, 84 00:04:38.600 --> 00:04:43.800 Notcho Barbara fourth, Ryan Miller fifth, Phil Ivy sixth, John 85 00:04:43.879 --> 00:04:47.800 Hennigan seventh, and Chris hunikin Big Huny eighth place. In 86 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:53.680 that event, Andrew astub Chenko finally got his gold bracelet. 87 00:04:53.720 --> 00:04:57.240 He finished second in the twenty five k earlier in 88 00:04:57.279 --> 00:05:00.120 the series. Here he wins the five K no ole 89 00:05:00.199 --> 00:05:02.920 him at hold him to close out his summer. An 90 00:05:03.079 --> 00:05:06.240 enormous summer for Andrew Ostupchenko. He got his first goal bracelet. 91 00:05:06.560 --> 00:05:09.160 This win here earned him six hundred and six thousand dollars. 92 00:05:09.160 --> 00:05:11.319 He topped a field of seven hundred and thirty five entries. 93 00:05:11.959 --> 00:05:16.399 I don't think there is an event that corresponds to 94 00:05:16.480 --> 00:05:20.199 last year so for this specific one, and I don't 95 00:05:20.199 --> 00:05:22.279 think there was a five K this late. I'm pretty 96 00:05:22.279 --> 00:05:25.040 sure there was seven thirty five entries, and I remember 97 00:05:25.040 --> 00:05:27.040 trying to look up if there was a you know, 98 00:05:27.160 --> 00:05:29.079 relating field size to see if this one went up 99 00:05:29.160 --> 00:05:30.920 or down, and I couldn't find one unless I'm just 100 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:33.519 a total idiot, which could certainly be the case. Ostap 101 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:37.279 Chenko won more than two million dollars at the twenty 102 00:05:37.360 --> 00:05:40.480 twenty five WSIP. I mentioned that he had that big 103 00:05:40.480 --> 00:05:42.439 score second place in the twenty five K that was 104 00:05:42.480 --> 00:05:44.639 more than a million dollars. He also went on to 105 00:05:44.680 --> 00:05:48.959 finish third in a Venetian event after this win for 106 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:49.839 eighty five K. 107 00:05:49.959 --> 00:05:52.439 There this event ninety nine. 108 00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:59.519 Is a defending champion, Matthew Alasante. It was that like 109 00:05:59.639 --> 00:06:01.639 early in the series. Yeah, it's probably one of those 110 00:06:01.639 --> 00:06:02.959 ones that they moved around. 111 00:06:03.839 --> 00:06:05.560 I really don't like when they moved them around. 112 00:06:06.319 --> 00:06:08.519 You gotta put away you, uh where do you think 113 00:06:08.519 --> 00:06:09.600 they kind of fool best? 114 00:06:09.680 --> 00:06:09.879 Right? 115 00:06:10.720 --> 00:06:11.399 Yeah, but I don't. 116 00:06:11.480 --> 00:06:13.920 Last year was event eighty seven, so it's failing. 117 00:06:14.439 --> 00:06:17.199 So that's that's my fault. I'm the idiot. I mean 118 00:06:17.600 --> 00:06:19.279 I said I could have been the idiot. I'm the idiot, 119 00:06:19.800 --> 00:06:23.639 all right, So there's that. Now. Interesting note about Andrew 120 00:06:23.680 --> 00:06:26.480 Ostupchenko here. He was on his own team in twenty 121 00:06:26.480 --> 00:06:30.959 five K team Liaison, and his win here allowed them 122 00:06:31.560 --> 00:06:33.800 to finish in fifth place, which is in the money, 123 00:06:34.360 --> 00:06:37.879 so more money in astib Chenko's pocket. So austin Chenko 124 00:06:37.920 --> 00:06:40.680 first place, six hundred and six K, Brandon Wilson second place, 125 00:06:40.720 --> 00:06:44.360 four or four, David O. dB Baker shout out ODB 126 00:06:44.480 --> 00:06:48.079 two hundred and eighty three k for him Van van 127 00:06:48.199 --> 00:06:52.079 Merdino magas K. I probably butchered the living crap out 128 00:06:52.120 --> 00:06:53.839 of that one. I'm out of I'm out of rhythm, 129 00:06:54.240 --> 00:06:55.800 you know, I'm trying to figure these names out on 130 00:06:55.800 --> 00:06:58.240 the fly. Two hundred and one k for him, Joseph 131 00:06:58.279 --> 00:07:01.600 sob Or Sabie, also butchering that last name. One hundred 132 00:07:01.639 --> 00:07:04.000 and forty five K. Sam Lasquitz got sixth place. Pat 133 00:07:04.079 --> 00:07:08.319 Lyons World Famous pat Lyons got seventh place, and Marcos 134 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:13.560 Scurl got eighth place. In that one, Lucas Zascodni wins 135 00:07:13.720 --> 00:07:16.240 the closer top in a field of four two hundred 136 00:07:16.240 --> 00:07:19.439 and ninety seven entries fifteen hundred dollars by and there 137 00:07:19.560 --> 00:07:22.879 he took home six hundred and forty eight thousand dollars. 138 00:07:22.959 --> 00:07:27.639 Richard Ali second, Lock Chan third, Thing Tran fourth, Adrian 139 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:31.800 Tivodar fifth, Dylan Lamby kind of close to Dylan Lindy 140 00:07:31.879 --> 00:07:35.319 in terms of the spell. Yeah, I mean it might be, 141 00:07:35.800 --> 00:07:39.759 is it. Huh, It's not Dylan Lindy, Like I didn't 142 00:07:39.800 --> 00:07:42.079 like mistake that or something in auto correct or something. 143 00:07:42.120 --> 00:07:43.920 I'm just I'm just making sure it's been it's been 144 00:07:43.959 --> 00:07:45.879 almost four weeks so I'm trying to figure this out. 145 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:51.759 Jimmy Settina seventh, Victor Cavallero eighth, and Tiwi II got 146 00:07:51.839 --> 00:07:55.560 ninth place. There, Mitchell Hinem, you, oh boy, right, my boy. 147 00:07:55.600 --> 00:07:59.279 If you guys remember this, A hole busted me in 148 00:07:59.319 --> 00:08:02.439 the WS event, his ace, Queen, my kings. I will 149 00:08:02.439 --> 00:08:06.439 never forget Mitchell Heinem. But congrats to you, sir. You 150 00:08:06.560 --> 00:08:10.160 went on to win the one K Super Turbo, topping 151 00:08:10.160 --> 00:08:12.120 the field of nineteen hundred and thirty five entries. I 152 00:08:12.160 --> 00:08:14.399 say it all in jest with the whole coming at you. 153 00:08:15.240 --> 00:08:17.199 But if I see you at the table and I 154 00:08:17.240 --> 00:08:21.759 have ase, Queen, I'm never fooled. Ever, I gotta repay it. Okay. 155 00:08:22.240 --> 00:08:24.839 He finished forty ninth in the main event after busting 156 00:08:24.879 --> 00:08:27.639 my ass cast for two hundred K. So he casts 157 00:08:27.639 --> 00:08:29.120 for two hundred K in the main event. Then he 158 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:31.360 goes on to win this turbo for two hundred and 159 00:08:31.399 --> 00:08:33.720 thirty seven thousand, almost two hundred and thirty eight thousand, So 160 00:08:34.080 --> 00:08:38.080 pretty good week or so for Mitchell Heinem. Not off 161 00:08:38.159 --> 00:08:41.919 bitten second place, Kai Tanaka third place, Nevin Chang fourth, 162 00:08:42.000 --> 00:08:47.600 Jacob Parent fifth, Lucas Hafner sixth, Brettschaef for seventh, Paulina Loliger, 163 00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:51.519 she is a what's her poker bunnyy eighth place, Alex 164 00:08:51.679 --> 00:08:57.799 Duval ninth place. That all takes us too. The WSP 165 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:02.039 Player of the Year which went two. My boy Sean Deep, 166 00:09:02.200 --> 00:09:05.720 Your boy Sean Deep his second time winning it. He 167 00:09:05.759 --> 00:09:09.440 won in twenty eighteen. He wins it in twenty twenty five. 168 00:09:09.519 --> 00:09:12.279 He joins Daniel Legrand who as the only two time 169 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:15.720 winners of the WSP Player of the Year award. Of course, 170 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:19.080 it has not been around forever. It was installed in 171 00:09:19.080 --> 00:09:21.600 two thousand and four. Nigraney won it in two thousand 172 00:09:21.600 --> 00:09:24.720 and four. He then won it in twenty thirteen. Deep 173 00:09:24.799 --> 00:09:30.039 got first in the one hundred k PO events for 174 00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:33.399 almost three million dollars. He got second in the fifteen 175 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:35.919 hundred dollars RAS for eighty four K second you know 176 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:37.919 one k Nolan hold him for one hundred and fifty four 177 00:09:38.000 --> 00:09:40.639 k second in an online event, which I think one 178 00:09:40.720 --> 00:09:44.360 online event counts one on my cash counts. And then 179 00:09:44.440 --> 00:09:46.559 third in the ten k PLO eight that was the 180 00:09:46.559 --> 00:09:49.080 one that Phil Sternheimer won. Sean Deep took home a 181 00:09:49.080 --> 00:09:52.519 three hundred and forty eight K There The question that 182 00:09:52.600 --> 00:09:56.759 everyone was debating is should Sean Deep have won? Benny 183 00:09:56.799 --> 00:10:00.559 Clauser won three bracelets, won them pretty early the series, 184 00:10:00.559 --> 00:10:04.039 all things considered, Michael Msrocky the Grinder won the fifty 185 00:10:04.120 --> 00:10:07.840 KPPC then won the WSP main event. There was a 186 00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:08.639 lot of debates. 187 00:10:10.120 --> 00:10:14.720 I mean, what do you think it's undebatable because there's 188 00:10:14.720 --> 00:10:17.720 a scoring system. Everyone is aware of the scoring system 189 00:10:17.759 --> 00:10:22.240 heading into the World Series, and his results put him 190 00:10:22.240 --> 00:10:26.679 on top. Now we can't say that, hey, Benny didn't 191 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:28.799 have a great World Series and Grinder didn't have a 192 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:31.240 world's great World Series and all these other guys like 193 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:34.279 Mark Gabrell and you know, we can the list goes on. 194 00:10:34.679 --> 00:10:38.360 But everyone was equal fording heading into the World Series 195 00:10:38.399 --> 00:10:41.720 with a scoring system that is send me public, right. 196 00:10:41.759 --> 00:10:43.679 You have to do some calculations and figure it out, 197 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:46.480 but yeah, it's available just like ours is. So I 198 00:10:46.480 --> 00:10:48.279 don't think it's unfair at all. You can make an 199 00:10:48.360 --> 00:10:52.159 argument that, hey, should things be weighed differently, like does 200 00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:55.879 winning the fifty KPPC, winning the ten k main event 201 00:10:55.960 --> 00:10:58.120 and cashing I think thirteen times total? 202 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:00.919 Is that better than what he did? 203 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:03.200 Now that's going to be a personal opinion if people 204 00:11:03.240 --> 00:11:04.919 really think that's the case and they need to change 205 00:11:04.919 --> 00:11:09.759 the scoring. But he did everything within the parameters that 206 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:11.480 were outlined heading into the World Series, so I don't 207 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:12.440 think it's even debatable. 208 00:11:12.679 --> 00:11:16.840 I agree with you, D one. Based on the scoring 209 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:21.399 criteria as outlined ahead of time. Everyone knows this criteria 210 00:11:21.480 --> 00:11:24.480 going in. They know, you know, it's this many live cashes, 211 00:11:24.519 --> 00:11:27.159 it's one online cash that counts. It's you know, you 212 00:11:27.159 --> 00:11:30.240 can't just rack up eight thousand cases you have, it's capped, 213 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:32.720 all that sort of stuff. So yeah, based on the 214 00:11:32.759 --> 00:11:35.679 scoring system, D one, he's the winner. I mean that 215 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:38.600 that's just how it is. At one point, Benny Klauser 216 00:11:38.639 --> 00:11:41.240 had won three bracelets and wasn't even technically eligible to 217 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:43.519 win Player of the Year because he didn't have enough cases. Yeah, 218 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:46.080 he also have to be a minimum threshold five cashes, right, 219 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:47.320 it's five or six. 220 00:11:47.120 --> 00:11:47.639 One or the other. 221 00:11:47.720 --> 00:11:50.480 But he would like I think, you know, it's like 222 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:52.919 he had three cashes and three bracelet wins or whatever, 223 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:55.919 and you know it wasn't technically eligible until he hit 224 00:11:55.960 --> 00:12:00.000 that cash threshold. So I find it interesting the Play 225 00:12:00.240 --> 00:12:04.360 of the Year because it seems like every year a 226 00:12:04.399 --> 00:12:10.120 good portion of the one percenters, the Deeps, the helm Use, 227 00:12:10.200 --> 00:12:13.919 the Negroan New's josh Aria, like all these guys, they 228 00:12:13.960 --> 00:12:19.120 always rant and rave about Player of the Year, and 229 00:12:19.240 --> 00:12:24.360 yet the scoring system probably needs work. I think it 230 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:26.200 needs work. I don't know exactly how I would do it, 231 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:28.399 but I think it does need some sort of fine tuning. 232 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:31.159 So there's that. Also the fact that you don't really 233 00:12:31.159 --> 00:12:33.840 get anything. I mean, you get I think you obviously 234 00:12:33.879 --> 00:12:35.120 get a banner, and you get I think a ten 235 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:36.080 k seat to the end. 236 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:38.799 Of a say, and you do get a trophy. Deep 237 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:42.000 did show me his trophy? Yes, I mean it's not 238 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:43.799 like a bracelet. It's literally just a trophy. 239 00:12:43.840 --> 00:12:45.720 But yeah, it may be cool. I make it a 240 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:46.840 bracelet to be honest. 241 00:12:47.120 --> 00:12:50.240 Uh No, I don't think so. No, but I think 242 00:12:50.279 --> 00:12:54.320 you should. I think with as it's pretty clear that 243 00:12:54.440 --> 00:12:58.879 all these players, and they're they're pretty top tier players, 244 00:12:59.000 --> 00:13:01.399 carry crap ton about this. Yeah, And I would say 245 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:05.600 that the WSOPE cares enough because they obviously want to 246 00:13:05.639 --> 00:13:07.639 celebrate it by putting a banner. The only other people 247 00:13:07.639 --> 00:13:11.799 that get banners are THESTREMIINU event winners, right, So I 248 00:13:12.159 --> 00:13:14.840 just think they need to They need to add more 249 00:13:14.879 --> 00:13:18.480 to this and maybe now we get that under the 250 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:22.679 GG poker umbrella right where they dedicate some funds to it. 251 00:13:22.759 --> 00:13:26.559 They make it more of a leaderboard thing. They make 252 00:13:26.639 --> 00:13:30.840 the tracking better and more out there and more efficient 253 00:13:30.879 --> 00:13:33.080 where it's more readily available instead of people trying to 254 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:34.759 figure it out on the fly, like where do I 255 00:13:34.759 --> 00:13:36.720 have to cash? What are the points? What's this? What's that? 256 00:13:36.799 --> 00:13:40.639 You know, there's no reason why with the new app 257 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:44.240 we can't have you know, basically live tracking. You know, 258 00:13:44.279 --> 00:13:46.720 we can have a live leadable the app, you know, 259 00:13:46.759 --> 00:13:48.519 and maybe that's coming. Maybe they didn't want to just 260 00:13:48.559 --> 00:13:51.120 be like have too many things with the app, you know, 261 00:13:51.159 --> 00:13:53.360 with its first year at the World Series here in 262 00:13:53.440 --> 00:13:55.799 Vegas at least, But that I think is good. I 263 00:13:55.840 --> 00:13:58.399 think you know, WSP itself, whether it's through their social 264 00:13:58.440 --> 00:14:01.519 media or the editorial website, needs more updates on it, 265 00:14:02.159 --> 00:14:06.200 you know, ideally daily updates plus so like lots of 266 00:14:06.240 --> 00:14:08.759 social posts. You know, this person just finished fifth, he 267 00:14:08.840 --> 00:14:12.279 now moves into second or something. You can make it 268 00:14:12.320 --> 00:14:15.399 a storyline yourself. If you just let it live, it's 269 00:14:15.480 --> 00:14:18.279 gonna be much harder to really generate that interest. 270 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:20.480 I mean, there should be a tab within the app. Yeah, 271 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:22.240 and you can go and it has that leaderboard and 272 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:25.279 like you said, it's it's much more lives. And as 273 00:14:25.320 --> 00:14:27.960 soon as somebody busts out and you know, it goes 274 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:30.519 into the verification because when you bust out in the app, 275 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:33.039 it does say like need to verify whatever. It says 276 00:14:33.080 --> 00:14:34.799 for a second until it gets very It takes a 277 00:14:34.799 --> 00:14:36.879 few minutes, it gets verified whatever, then it's in there. 278 00:14:36.960 --> 00:14:39.639 I mean, once that happens, it should feed through the points. 279 00:14:39.840 --> 00:14:41.679 But it also should be in the payouts, you know, 280 00:14:41.759 --> 00:14:43.639 like on the WSP website when they used to have 281 00:14:43.679 --> 00:14:45.799 the live updates, they used to have the payout and 282 00:14:45.879 --> 00:14:47.840 have to have the points you would get. There's no 283 00:14:47.879 --> 00:14:50.080 reason why that couldn't be. Serhaps so when people are looking, 284 00:14:50.320 --> 00:14:53.720 because that's you know, obviously house players, but viewers and fans, 285 00:14:53.720 --> 00:14:56.519 they're looking although, what's this, what's this third column here? 286 00:14:56.559 --> 00:14:59.879 What's this points? And then you start like, you know, 287 00:15:00.399 --> 00:15:02.080 digging deep kind of like what we do with ours. 288 00:15:02.080 --> 00:15:04.440 We know, we have our payouts, we have the prizes, 289 00:15:04.519 --> 00:15:06.679 and we have the PGT points and you know, it 290 00:15:06.720 --> 00:15:10.279 does generate that interest. My one thought on Player of 291 00:15:10.279 --> 00:15:12.639 the Year outside of all this, and you know, the 292 00:15:12.759 --> 00:15:16.399 changing the points formula is a big Pandora's box. I 293 00:15:16.399 --> 00:15:18.559 don't know if we want to get into because this 294 00:15:18.720 --> 00:15:19.639 is so many points for them. 295 00:15:19.799 --> 00:15:20.879 Was what's correct? 296 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:21.240 You know? 297 00:15:21.759 --> 00:15:23.879 How should they overvalue things? But I think it needs 298 00:15:23.919 --> 00:15:26.559 one more online result. You have thirty three bracelet of 299 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:29.600 online bracelet events and and you have not you have 300 00:15:29.600 --> 00:15:32.039 one hundred live bracelet events, right, I. 301 00:15:31.960 --> 00:15:33.960 Mean clearly they want to live. 302 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:36.679 Yeah, but like it's not enough of it. I don't 303 00:15:36.679 --> 00:15:39.159 think it's the right percentage. I'm not saying it needs 304 00:15:39.159 --> 00:15:41.679 to be like, like, you know, an equal percentage. I 305 00:15:41.720 --> 00:15:45.279 think one more online cash would be kind of fair. 306 00:15:45.279 --> 00:15:46.799 So it's eight and two. I think that's kind of 307 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:49.120 the best way because I think you need to still 308 00:15:49.159 --> 00:15:49.919 provide value to. 309 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:51.960 Online or just have an online leader work. 310 00:15:52.039 --> 00:15:56.320 But yeah, I mean it is tricky. It's tricky. Yeah, 311 00:15:56.320 --> 00:15:58.240 I don't I don't exactly. I don't exactly know what 312 00:15:58.279 --> 00:15:59.960 to do. You know, I would have to think about 313 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:04.759 a little bit more. I personally, I lean that online 314 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:07.200 should count in full, like you should be able to 315 00:16:07.279 --> 00:16:10.120 get thirty three cashes from online, you know, or whatever. 316 00:16:10.279 --> 00:16:14.120 Just and my reasoning is that it has never been 317 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:18.799 told to us that online bracelets are not equal to 318 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:21.679 live bracelets. I mean, I know people joke out there 319 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:23.279 that they say this is a fake bracelet. This isn't 320 00:16:23.279 --> 00:16:26.279 a fake bracelet, like you know whatever. But as far 321 00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:28.960 as WSP's concerned, a bracelet is a bracelet. It doesn't 322 00:16:28.960 --> 00:16:31.279 matter if you win it in fucking Antarctica or if 323 00:16:31.320 --> 00:16:33.440 you win it in Las Vegas at the Horseshoe. A 324 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:36.279 bracelet is a bracelet, Okay, So if a bracelet is 325 00:16:36.279 --> 00:16:39.440 a bracelet, then aren't all things equal. Isn't an online 326 00:16:39.480 --> 00:16:41.879 event a one K plo online event the same as 327 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:44.080 one K at the series, It's the same thing. Brace 328 00:16:44.240 --> 00:16:46.679 is a bracelet, And some some might argue I think 329 00:16:46.720 --> 00:16:48.919 there's a fair argument that online is harder to win 330 00:16:49.799 --> 00:16:52.000 generally speaking at I mean, I don't I don't know 331 00:16:52.039 --> 00:16:54.279 exactly how it compares for the summer, because I think 332 00:16:54.320 --> 00:16:56.120 everything gets a little bit softer in the summer, But 333 00:16:56.759 --> 00:16:59.200 generally speaking, online has always been thought to be harder 334 00:16:59.240 --> 00:17:02.799 than live across all across everywhere, But then you have. 335 00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:04.480 To factor in field sizes and stuff. 336 00:17:04.599 --> 00:17:06.880 I know, but I'm saying, but still everywhere like it, 337 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:10.599 online is considered to be harder than live, right, you 338 00:17:10.599 --> 00:17:12.559 know they say like, yeah, one hundred dollars tournament online 339 00:17:12.640 --> 00:17:14.640 is like a one k live. So if you went 340 00:17:14.720 --> 00:17:17.960 a one k online or deep got second in that 341 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:20.759 online event, what was the buy in five hundred? So 342 00:17:20.759 --> 00:17:23.720 what's that three k live? You know? It's like so 343 00:17:24.440 --> 00:17:26.880 I don't know. I just I'm kind of I don't 344 00:17:26.920 --> 00:17:29.160 kind of bouncing all over the place with this, but yeah, 345 00:17:29.400 --> 00:17:33.720 I just generally think that first and foremost, I think 346 00:17:33.799 --> 00:17:37.039 just like getting it in the app and making it 347 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:39.599 a little bit more front and center, and fixing the 348 00:17:39.680 --> 00:17:42.880 efficiency aspect of the points. It should be the priority. 349 00:17:43.160 --> 00:17:46.119 Right If you want to keep the criteria and the 350 00:17:46.119 --> 00:17:49.680 scoring the same, I'm fine with that. And honestly, everyone 351 00:17:49.720 --> 00:17:52.480 knows going in Like Phil Helmuth had, you know, a 352 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:54.440 tweet he kind of went at Deep like the whole thing, 353 00:17:54.480 --> 00:17:57.799 and it's like you knew going into the summer. Everyone 354 00:17:57.839 --> 00:18:00.000 knows going into summer, these are the points. This is 355 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:02.319 what counts. There's this many live events account, there's this 356 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:05.960 many online events account. This is how it is. Everyone 357 00:18:06.079 --> 00:18:10.599 knows that. So what's the big deal. If that's how 358 00:18:10.640 --> 00:18:15.039 it is, then adjust your schedule and your play accordingly, 359 00:18:15.079 --> 00:18:18.559 which I think is probably Deep's biggest advantage. He understands 360 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:21.240 the how in terms of winning Player of the Year 361 00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:24.359 better than everyone, and he caters his schedule and his 362 00:18:24.480 --> 00:18:27.319 play to achieving player of the year, like that's his 363 00:18:27.440 --> 00:18:30.039 goal now along the way. That can come with money, 364 00:18:30.039 --> 00:18:32.039 that can come with cashes, that can come with bracelets, 365 00:18:32.039 --> 00:18:34.759 et cetera. But he's ultimately trying to win Player of 366 00:18:34.799 --> 00:18:37.759 the Year. So he's doing whatever it takes to win 367 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:41.279 Player of the Year. Other people are not necessarily out 368 00:18:41.319 --> 00:18:44.000 like that. Like I don't think Benny Glasser is out 369 00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:45.839 to win Player of the Year like he's out to 370 00:18:45.920 --> 00:18:48.279 I think win bracelets. And this is just me guessing, 371 00:18:48.319 --> 00:18:50.240 but I think he's out to win bracelets and then 372 00:18:50.240 --> 00:18:53.200 if Player of the Year comes with it, great, whereas 373 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:55.359 Sean Deep is almost the other way. I'm out to 374 00:18:55.400 --> 00:18:58.559 win Player of the Year and stamp my you know, 375 00:18:58.920 --> 00:19:01.240 put my stamp on HI or history that way, winning 376 00:19:01.279 --> 00:19:04.720 multiple SB Player of the Year titles and if you know, yes, 377 00:19:05.079 --> 00:19:07.400 a natural side effect of that is you're probably gonna 378 00:19:07.400 --> 00:19:10.000 win bracelets. But there's also a world where like Deep 379 00:19:10.039 --> 00:19:12.400 cat has ten second places and he's able to win 380 00:19:12.440 --> 00:19:13.759 Player of the year and he doesn't win a bracelet 381 00:19:13.799 --> 00:19:16.480 a given year, right, So I just think that everyone can. 382 00:19:16.680 --> 00:19:19.559 You can kind of cater what you want to go 383 00:19:19.640 --> 00:19:23.240 after every single summer and and deep clearly goes after 384 00:19:23.240 --> 00:19:25.279 Player of the Year in my opinion, And you know, 385 00:19:25.400 --> 00:19:27.359 so don't complain about it when you have the option 386 00:19:27.480 --> 00:19:28.319 to do that yourself. 387 00:19:28.519 --> 00:19:31.480 Yeah, And it shows that how he nearly won two 388 00:19:31.480 --> 00:19:34.440 bracelets while the main event Day one's were going because 389 00:19:34.440 --> 00:19:38.559 he won the payloa and then he finished second. He 390 00:19:38.960 --> 00:19:41.559 won two bracelets and really stamped his Player of the 391 00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:44.759 Year while Day one of the main event was still going. 392 00:19:44.799 --> 00:19:48.079 So yeah, he does everything Tyler towards Player of the Year. 393 00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:50.319 That's what he cares about. And I don't think we 394 00:19:50.359 --> 00:19:54.160 can really knock anything to do, you know with this 395 00:19:54.240 --> 00:19:54.759 years when. 396 00:19:54.680 --> 00:19:57.119 On my bone to pick is with the way that 397 00:19:57.160 --> 00:20:00.559 it's kind of pushed out and marketed after the fact, 398 00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:03.480 Like the press really said that he cashed eighteen live 399 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:07.279 bracelet events, six online bracelet events, reached five file tables, 400 00:20:07.279 --> 00:20:10.559 one of seventh career bace of blah blah blah. But 401 00:20:10.680 --> 00:20:13.759 all of that doesn't count towards Player of the Year. Sure, 402 00:20:14.000 --> 00:20:16.200 but it's still what he did though, I understand, but 403 00:20:16.240 --> 00:20:18.119 I feel like I feel like it should be outlined, 404 00:20:18.200 --> 00:20:20.480 like what he did to achieve Player of the Year, 405 00:20:21.359 --> 00:20:22.799 because in a way, I feel like if you just 406 00:20:22.880 --> 00:20:25.039 kind of skim things and no one reads things in full, 407 00:20:25.079 --> 00:20:28.279 everyone skims, ye, right, if you skim, And the biggest 408 00:20:28.319 --> 00:20:31.039 skim is along these lines. If you just look at 409 00:20:31.039 --> 00:20:33.079 the social media posts that they did, they had an 410 00:20:33.119 --> 00:20:37.559 image of Sean Deep and they put on that image, right, 411 00:20:37.799 --> 00:20:41.839 like the achievements that he had, which are twenty four cashes, 412 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:46.000 five final tables, one bracelet, So you would you might 413 00:20:46.079 --> 00:20:48.480 think if you just saw this, if you just saw that, 414 00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:50.319 and on social media, and we know how people scroll 415 00:20:50.359 --> 00:20:52.640 these days, they have an intention span of a mesquite 416 00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:55.119 of a gnat, like it's just they're all over the place. 417 00:20:55.359 --> 00:20:57.960 So you see that, you say, oh, like he cashed 418 00:20:58.079 --> 00:21:00.279 twenty four times, he racked up cashes, he made five 419 00:21:00.279 --> 00:21:02.440 pound tables, whatever, but not all that stuff counted. 420 00:21:03.119 --> 00:21:04.599 So it's incorrect as well. 421 00:21:05.279 --> 00:21:06.880 Well, what I don't care if it's incorrect or not. 422 00:21:07.039 --> 00:21:11.319 Like I'm just saying, like, we put the caps on things. 423 00:21:11.839 --> 00:21:13.480 The dove has to be put the caps on things. 424 00:21:13.480 --> 00:21:14.880 But then they're celebrating the thing in. 425 00:21:14.880 --> 00:21:17.799 Full, I don't have so much. 426 00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:21.720 I'm just saying it's like a disconnect. Yeah, I think 427 00:21:21.720 --> 00:21:25.039 you should just celebrate it in the context of what 428 00:21:25.079 --> 00:21:28.079 the criteria is, because then it then it makes it 429 00:21:28.839 --> 00:21:31.319 I think a little bit more connected to like this 430 00:21:31.480 --> 00:21:34.240 is how you win Player of the Year. Yeah, that's 431 00:21:34.319 --> 00:21:37.640 my slight bone to pick there, but whatever. I think 432 00:21:37.680 --> 00:21:39.000 the big thing is, you got to get in the app. 433 00:21:39.000 --> 00:21:40.880 You got to get that. You got to get this 434 00:21:40.880 --> 00:21:43.400 stuff updated quickly so people can sweat like right away, 435 00:21:43.599 --> 00:21:45.799 you know. I think that would be certainly a lot 436 00:21:45.799 --> 00:21:49.200 of fun to haven't And I would guess because of 437 00:21:49.240 --> 00:21:52.400 what we saw the first year of the app and 438 00:21:52.400 --> 00:21:54.240 how there was a lot of updates along the way 439 00:21:54.279 --> 00:21:56.440 and things were changing and getting better. You know, it 440 00:21:56.519 --> 00:21:57.839 was great out of the gate, and then it got 441 00:21:57.880 --> 00:22:01.160 better throughout. I think we'll see a lot more improvements 442 00:22:01.200 --> 00:22:03.359 even still for for next year in years to come, 443 00:22:03.599 --> 00:22:07.160 and I think that this is probably one of them. 444 00:22:07.240 --> 00:22:11.640 All right, next topic, biggest winners. I put winners in 445 00:22:11.720 --> 00:22:14.839 quotes on our rundown because you can kind of think 446 00:22:14.880 --> 00:22:17.119 of this, how you want I put down a bunch 447 00:22:17.240 --> 00:22:19.759 maybe you can add to to things. But these are 448 00:22:19.799 --> 00:22:23.759 biggest quote unquote winners not named Michael the Grinder, miss Rocky. 449 00:22:24.240 --> 00:22:24.519 Okay. 450 00:22:24.640 --> 00:22:28.039 And my reasoning is that I think I don't know 451 00:22:28.079 --> 00:22:31.440 who said it, Yeah, kind of like I don't. I don't. 452 00:22:32.319 --> 00:22:33.640 I don't remember who said it, and it might have 453 00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:36.079 actually been Shawnee, but I can't remember exactly. So forgive 454 00:22:36.079 --> 00:22:38.720 me if you're out there and I'm butchering this. But 455 00:22:39.480 --> 00:22:41.960 somebody said, like shawnde one w S Player of the Year, 456 00:22:42.160 --> 00:22:44.119 but the twenty twenty five divis a p will be 457 00:22:44.160 --> 00:22:48.359 remembered for Michael mcrocky. Yeah, like you know, so what 458 00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:50.920 So that's what I mean, Like the quote unquote winners, 459 00:22:50.960 --> 00:22:54.480 the storylines, like when we think back on you know, 460 00:22:54.680 --> 00:22:57.039 let's say twenty years from now, say remember that, remember 461 00:22:57.079 --> 00:23:00.440 the year when Michael mcrocky did this, right, and then 462 00:23:00.559 --> 00:23:02.599 and then you're gonna say, like that was also the 463 00:23:02.680 --> 00:23:05.440 year that this happened. And that's the list that I'm 464 00:23:05.480 --> 00:23:07.799 trying to like, also the year that Benny Glasser won 465 00:23:07.839 --> 00:23:11.119 three bracelets, you know, like that sort of stuff, right, 466 00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:13.400 Like that's what we're gonna get at here. My kind 467 00:23:13.400 --> 00:23:17.839 of notes that I put down here. Sina Okamoto won 468 00:23:17.880 --> 00:23:22.400 the WSP Ladies Championship after finishing first the year before, 469 00:23:22.519 --> 00:23:24.079 so she goes back to back and then the year 470 00:23:24.079 --> 00:23:26.559 before that finishes second. Like that's gonna be something We're 471 00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:30.519 gonna remember the time Sheina Oka Goodo went second first first, 472 00:23:30.880 --> 00:23:34.039 You remember that, like that shit was crazy? Remember the 473 00:23:34.079 --> 00:23:36.960 time when Leo Marguetz finished seventh in the WSB main 474 00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:40.680 event for one point five million buck's a thirty year trend. 475 00:23:40.720 --> 00:23:44.279 There no woman at the at the final table. Seth 476 00:23:44.359 --> 00:23:47.240 Davies won his first bracelet. You know, I think this 477 00:23:47.279 --> 00:23:50.359 one is me using a little bit of editorial license 478 00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:52.880 because it's kind of in the context of how good 479 00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:54.599 Seth Davies has been the past two year and a 480 00:23:54.640 --> 00:23:57.079 half to two years. He's won everything under the sun. 481 00:23:57.440 --> 00:23:59.400 He's probably won twenty million dollars in the past two 482 00:23:59.440 --> 00:24:02.720 years or something ridiculous. So, you know, just that cherry 483 00:24:02.759 --> 00:24:04.599 on the top of his first bracelet, and the fact 484 00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:06.319 that it came in the two hundred fifty k Super 485 00:24:06.400 --> 00:24:08.880 high Roller, which is an event that he you know, 486 00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:11.039 would probably want to win more so than anything else. 487 00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:13.000 I mean obviously that ever main event, but you know, 488 00:24:13.000 --> 00:24:16.519 we always put that to the side. Martin Cabrel summer. 489 00:24:16.640 --> 00:24:19.279 I mean, we're certainly going to remember that summer, all 490 00:24:19.319 --> 00:24:23.240 the antics, the colorful stuff, you know. Whatever he wins 491 00:24:23.279 --> 00:24:26.599 the mini main event, he's challenging for WSB Player of 492 00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:29.039 the Year throughout, like he's on the rail when Sean 493 00:24:29.119 --> 00:24:31.839 Deep was making those runs, like, you know, having like 494 00:24:31.880 --> 00:24:34.519 the banter and the competitiveness with Deep the whole time. 495 00:24:35.279 --> 00:24:38.079 I personally feel like he won over a ton of fans. 496 00:24:38.119 --> 00:24:40.400 I think I feel like last year he was clearly 497 00:24:40.400 --> 00:24:43.039 a villain last summer, two summers ago, whatever that was, 498 00:24:43.039 --> 00:24:45.480 but the whole fake card marking and you know, all 499 00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:47.960 that sort of stuff. But this year, I feel like 500 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:51.680 he certainly won over the fans. Andrew Ostupchenko, we already 501 00:24:51.680 --> 00:24:53.640 talked about him, but this one I think is certainly 502 00:24:53.640 --> 00:24:56.000 going to get overlooked had that second in the twenty 503 00:24:56.000 --> 00:24:58.640 five K, won the bracelet in the five K, Like 504 00:24:58.720 --> 00:25:02.240 I feel like this is I personally have always felt 505 00:25:02.279 --> 00:25:05.319 Andrew ossup Chenko was a very very good player, and 506 00:25:05.359 --> 00:25:08.359 he's known within the poker circle. But I feel like 507 00:25:08.359 --> 00:25:10.079 this is one of those summers where you win a 508 00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:12.480 boatload of money, you know, more than two million dollars 509 00:25:12.759 --> 00:25:15.480 and it's gonna be like, yeah, that was his his breakout. 510 00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:18.720 Like that was when people started to really recognize andre Osupchenko. 511 00:25:19.319 --> 00:25:23.480 Alex Foxen fourteen cashes for more than four million dollars, 512 00:25:23.519 --> 00:25:25.319 I mean every day, this guy was just going deep. 513 00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:28.720 Blajerry Off, I mean you want to talk about breakout, Yeah, 514 00:25:29.160 --> 00:25:31.880 players from the WSP, this guy was. No one knew 515 00:25:31.880 --> 00:25:34.079 that this guy was. I mean maybe Patrick Landard knew 516 00:25:34.119 --> 00:25:36.720 who this guy was. Other than that blajerry Off. He 517 00:25:36.799 --> 00:25:39.119 wins the twenty five K six Max. Then he wins 518 00:25:39.319 --> 00:25:42.319 the fifteen hundred dollars Stud High Low. So two bracelets 519 00:25:42.440 --> 00:25:46.480 for bla Jerry Off out of nowhere, out of absolutely nowhere, 520 00:25:46.640 --> 00:25:49.839 which is very cool. So shout out to blag breakout WSIP. 521 00:25:49.880 --> 00:25:51.839 Hopefully we see you win embracelets for years to come. 522 00:25:52.119 --> 00:25:56.200 Brian Rast another incredible year for Brian Rass won the 523 00:25:56.200 --> 00:25:58.160 ten k ras he got second the twenty five k 524 00:25:58.240 --> 00:26:00.240 horse that's the one we just talked about that had 525 00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:03.759 east Sledge one and he had fourteen cashes overall. Nick 526 00:26:03.799 --> 00:26:06.680 Schulman he won the ten k Nolan MEDUSA seven and 527 00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:08.680 then he gets inducted into the Poker Hall of Fame. 528 00:26:09.079 --> 00:26:11.599 I mean pretty cool summer for Nick Schulman. Joo Vieira 529 00:26:12.279 --> 00:26:15.599 won the Hunter, K got a fourth and a fifth 530 00:26:15.640 --> 00:26:18.920 as well. David Odb Baker shout out to odb first 531 00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:20.839 in the Senior's high Roller for six hundred and forty 532 00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:23.559 six K almost wins another bracelet in another five K, 533 00:26:23.960 --> 00:26:26.000 third in that one that andros Upchenko won for two 534 00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:28.440 hundred and eighty three K. Benny Glauser, I mentioned him 535 00:26:28.440 --> 00:26:30.759 at the top. You know, he had those three bracelets. 536 00:26:31.319 --> 00:26:34.079 We've talked about him throughout. Victor Blam had a great 537 00:26:34.119 --> 00:26:37.200 summer second, fourth, fifth, six tenth. I would kind of 538 00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:39.400 put him on like an honorable mention list, you know, 539 00:26:39.640 --> 00:26:43.000 very good year. But the thing with Victor and like 540 00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:46.400 why didn't put him on, Like why would consider him 541 00:26:46.440 --> 00:26:49.599 more honorable mention than not? Is because the story with 542 00:26:49.720 --> 00:26:52.480 Victor Blam was is he gonna get his first bracelet 543 00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:55.799 and he ultimately didn't. So I feel like that one 544 00:26:55.839 --> 00:26:57.480 falls short a little bit. Yeah, now he had a 545 00:26:57.559 --> 00:26:59.599 very very good summer and he's gonna win a bracelet 546 00:26:59.599 --> 00:27:01.720 and probably any of them in his career, but this 547 00:27:01.839 --> 00:27:05.920 summer not not yet. Daniel Legrandu, I mean this guy 548 00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:12.880 was like deep every day, Yeah, second, fourth, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth, eleventh, fifteenth, 549 00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:12.599 just about. 550 00:27:13.079 --> 00:27:13.799 Online as well. 551 00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:16.720 Yeah, I mean just just crushed. I mean that's another thing. 552 00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:18.240 By the way, we talked about fixing the Player of 553 00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:19.920 the Year, So they got to fix the online, Like 554 00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:22.200 it's got to get the results out there. You got 555 00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:24.240 to get you got to talk about it more, put 556 00:27:24.240 --> 00:27:25.759 it out like what you had no idea what was 557 00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:28.480 going on online? Phil Ivy had a fifth to sixth, 558 00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:31.240 the sixth and ninth another really good year for him. 559 00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:34.039 So so yeah, you know, all things considered, those are 560 00:27:34.119 --> 00:27:38.400 kind of my like, you know, yeah, Michael Mrocky did 561 00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:40.799 this SHAWANDE one Player of the Year and that caused 562 00:27:40.839 --> 00:27:43.480 that whole stir. But this is also what happened from 563 00:27:43.480 --> 00:27:47.440 this summer. I mean, all of this stuff collectively, including 564 00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:49.839 the miss Rocky, including SHAWNDE winning Player of the Year, 565 00:27:49.839 --> 00:27:52.599 Like this is one of the best of yssipes ever, 566 00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:54.920 if not the best of hisipy ever. From like a 567 00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:56.680 headline storyline. 568 00:27:56.119 --> 00:27:58.160 Perspective, Yeah, I'll throw it one more in there. It's 569 00:27:58.160 --> 00:27:59.559 probably not as big as this, but I think it 570 00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:04.039 needs to be. Josh for media. Two bracelets, both online 571 00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:09.359 but both live, like one of those hybrid events crazy. 572 00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:10.960 He won two a couple of years ago, so he 573 00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:13.359 has four bracelets already. Obviously he has the WSP main 574 00:28:13.400 --> 00:28:17.039 event found table, And when we're talking overlooked, no one 575 00:28:17.079 --> 00:28:20.359 probably has any idea about that. So that's probably pretty 576 00:28:20.480 --> 00:28:22.599 pretty big thing. It's not gonna be even remembered at 577 00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:24.279 all when it comes to this World Series, but it's 578 00:28:24.319 --> 00:28:26.759 just something that we want to talk overlooked results. 579 00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:30.359 I think that one is for sure, that one's definitely yeah, yeah, 580 00:28:30.400 --> 00:28:33.960 this was. This was simply an incredible WSP from start 581 00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:36.440 to finish. So those are some quote unquote winners that 582 00:28:36.440 --> 00:28:38.440 that might be overlooked, but that we're always going to 583 00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:42.359 remember for some truly incredible accomplishments. I'm sure we miss some. 584 00:28:42.559 --> 00:28:44.920 I'm sure we missed a whole bunch. So if we did, 585 00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:46.799 you guys know the drill. You can send us a 586 00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:50.240 post on Twitter, you can email us, podcasts at PokerGO 587 00:28:50.319 --> 00:28:52.000 dot com, you can do whatever. Let us know, you 588 00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:55.000 can comment on this YouTube video. Let us know. You know, 589 00:28:55.119 --> 00:28:57.400 forgive us if you're a player and we overlooked you. 590 00:28:57.480 --> 00:28:59.759 But yeah, there was there was just so much stuff 591 00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:03.839 happen all summer long, and it was. It was truly 592 00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:06.839 incredible from start to finish. So shout out to everyone 593 00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:09.680 who had a great, great great summer twenty twenty five 594 00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:14.720 Doubasippy stats. This was per the WASIP press release, two 595 00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:18.240 hundred and forty six thousand, nine hundred and sixty total entries. 596 00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:22.519 That is an all time record. Now they also had 597 00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:25.039 the most events ever, but it wasn't that big of 598 00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:27.200 an increase over last year. Last year was ninety nine 599 00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:29.000 live events. This year was one hundred live events, so 600 00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:30.519 it's not like they went from ninety nine to one 601 00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:33.440 hundred and twenty, right, So I think having a seven 602 00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:38.039 point five percent increase there is really really good. They 603 00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:39.960 had two hundred and twenty nine thousand, five hundred and 604 00:29:40.039 --> 00:29:43.680 ninety nine last year, so that's very good. 605 00:29:43.799 --> 00:29:47.039 Those are added though, like six days of play, so 606 00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:50.359 we have to sure in those those the bigger field events. 607 00:29:50.359 --> 00:29:52.599 So I think that Matt has been Yeah, that still 608 00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:54.119 still it's it's still impressive. 609 00:29:54.759 --> 00:29:58.279 Twy four hundred and sixty nine entries per event. Last 610 00:29:58.359 --> 00:30:01.920 year was twenty three hundred and nineteen, so the average 611 00:30:01.960 --> 00:30:04.960 event size grew by six point five percent. I just 612 00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:07.799 talked about the the overall increase was seven point five 613 00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:11.680 percent in entries, So I think it's a real increase 614 00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:16.200 in demand. I think is a good way to categorize it. 615 00:30:16.240 --> 00:30:20.400 I don't just think it's it's schedule inflation. I think 616 00:30:20.440 --> 00:30:23.279 they did a really good thing, you know, all things considered. 617 00:30:24.400 --> 00:30:27.960 I did not see if that was if that two 618 00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:31.559 hundred and forty six nine and sixty includes the online stuff. 619 00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:35.640 I don't think it does, but I don't I could 620 00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:37.400 be wrong. I have some questions for you. 621 00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:38.319 Sure, go ahead. 622 00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:41.519 So two hundred and forty six thousand plus entries almost 623 00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:45.279 two hundred and forty seven thousand entries, so there's clearly 624 00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:48.680 still a ton of demand for the w S a P. 625 00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:53.079 I mean, what do you think drove the demand? Like, 626 00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:56.039 is this kind of where you thought numbers would come in? 627 00:30:56.079 --> 00:30:57.839 Did you see this think that there would be an increase? 628 00:30:57.880 --> 00:31:00.119 I know, if you want to, you know, rewind and 629 00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:02.200 before the summer, you and I thought kind of like, 630 00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:05.519 maybe there's the travel stuff from international, maybe there's this, 631 00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:07.480 maybe there's that. So you know, what are your thoughts 632 00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:09.079 when you see and hear those numbers. 633 00:31:09.160 --> 00:31:11.559 Yeah, it felt like the travel stuff by the end 634 00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:14.240 of it didn't we stopped talking about it pretty early on. 635 00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:16.680 Obviously probably did have a factor. It's hard to tell 636 00:31:16.680 --> 00:31:16.960 on us. 637 00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:20.000 We could look at those, you know, unique country numbers, 638 00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:23.119 that'd be a better indication of if that really affected 639 00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:26.440 out those I wish we could, yeah, if that really 640 00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:30.480 affected the entrance. I think there's a lot of things 641 00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:34.200 when it comes to these numbers. Focus growing here in America, 642 00:31:34.279 --> 00:31:38.960 it's burning. One key thing, and I think it maybe slightly. 643 00:31:39.160 --> 00:31:42.000 Are you sure it's booming. I think it's because if 644 00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:44.839 you look on social media, people think it's absolutely like dead. 645 00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:48.680 It's we need to get it on ESPN and all. 646 00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:51.359 This sort of stuff. ESPN's also free as well. I 647 00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:54.640 think one key thing, and this would be nearly impossible 648 00:31:54.799 --> 00:31:58.480 to quantify a bit. You got to look at like 649 00:31:58.680 --> 00:32:01.480 the cryptocurrency market and the stock market. And what I 650 00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:04.160 say by that is you look at the bitcoin prices. 651 00:32:03.880 --> 00:32:07.559 Up only huh up only? What do you mean up only? 652 00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:09.200 Those things only go up. 653 00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:11.559 Yeah, But like what I mean is world series. This 654 00:32:11.720 --> 00:32:16.519 is bigcoin. Bitcoin is about one hundred k starting woph. 655 00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:19.319 Mart, It's bitcoin. It's the dovers f only. 656 00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:21.680 Bigcoin was about one hundred k. 657 00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:23.240 The side of the world series last year at the 658 00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:24.519 same time it was about sixty K. 659 00:32:25.240 --> 00:32:28.880 Now, did that affect our schedules? Yours and mine? 660 00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:31.839 Not at all, right, but I'm sure it affected a 661 00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:34.240 lot of people's, you know, amount of events they played, 662 00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:36.759 how much liquidity they had, saying with the stock market, 663 00:32:36.759 --> 00:32:39.160 obviously stock market's probably a bit more of an influence 664 00:32:39.200 --> 00:32:42.599 on you and me's money, and that's up. But that 665 00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:45.160 really didn't change my decisions. But when you're talking two 666 00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:48.519 hundred and forty thousand entrants, I'm sure it had some 667 00:32:48.599 --> 00:32:52.279 weight in the bullets they were playing. And then the 668 00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:55.279 big thing, and also another thing that will be hard 669 00:32:55.279 --> 00:32:59.240 to quantify is just the app the East the Reebui right, 670 00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:01.440 like the quick to just get in straight away and 671 00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:03.920 I have to wait in lines. Now, if they were 672 00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:07.519 able to take the winnings to go straight into the app, 673 00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:09.839 I think that would even increase numbers more because you 674 00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:10.960 could cash the twenty five. 675 00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:13.400 K, So you could do that. I thought you could 676 00:33:13.440 --> 00:33:13.640 do that. 677 00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:17.680 You still have to go and do you have to 678 00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:19.400 go to the cage? 679 00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:22.279 Oh, you're saying like you had to go to that room? 680 00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:24.160 They would say how do you want it? Yeah, and 681 00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:27.240 then you can say I want automatically deposited. Let's say 682 00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:29.240 I cash for Let's say I played a one k 683 00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:30.920 and cash for ten k and there was a ten 684 00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:33.519 k six bax, I should just be able to go 685 00:33:33.759 --> 00:33:35.359 buy in with the ten k and not actually I 686 00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:36.200 have to go to the red. 687 00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:39.000 Now that might not make much of a difference. Could 688 00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:42.319 be talking you know, minu percentage points. But those little 689 00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:46.400 things going forward, those kind of things will dictate kind 690 00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:48.880 of the growth of those kind of overall numbers. 691 00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:52.839 I agree with you. The THESP plus app was a 692 00:33:52.880 --> 00:33:56.839 big element in all of this. I just think the 693 00:33:56.839 --> 00:34:00.359 ease of it all. Yeah, there was no lines. Stration 694 00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:03.920 seemed extremely fluid. You know, a couple of clicks of 695 00:34:03.960 --> 00:34:06.200 the button, you know, once you get in and you know, 696 00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:08.559 do the sign of process registration, dump your money and 697 00:34:08.559 --> 00:34:12.480 all that sort of stuff. Very very very simple. I 698 00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:14.360 think we talked a little bit about what we want 699 00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:17.480 from you know, the WSP app going forward, you know, 700 00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:19.000 with Player of the Year and stuff like that. You 701 00:34:19.039 --> 00:34:25.840 just mentioned the payout thing, any other like upgrades, scalability items, 702 00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:28.440 you know, what would you like to see in terms 703 00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:30.880 of like the WSP plus app evolution, because I think 704 00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:33.360 it's pretty clear now having been through a full summer 705 00:34:33.400 --> 00:34:36.800 with it, that this is such an important element of 706 00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:39.119 everything as it relates to the ws BE going forward. 707 00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:43.239 Yeah, I think they're really good at making changes on 708 00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:45.119 the fly and edits on the fly and listening to 709 00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:48.960 people's whether it was complaints or suggestions. So very confident 710 00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:53.199 in the app going forward. Outside of those points we've 711 00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:56.320 kind of said, outside of money automatically deposit, I'm not 712 00:34:56.400 --> 00:34:59.760 really sure right now what could be added, but I'm sure. 713 00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:04.480 You got link WSP dot com online and the app. 714 00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:07.000 It should all be like the bankrolls, you mean, like 715 00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:09.119 the cash like I feel like it should all be linked. Yeah, 716 00:35:09.199 --> 00:35:11.159 that's actually probably a good idea, but there's probably some 717 00:35:11.960 --> 00:35:13.360 potential Novada gaming in that. 718 00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:13.920 I don't know. 719 00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:20.079 I mean, okay, oh, real names. You gotta have real Yeah, 720 00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:22.360 the real names. I think you should be real names. 721 00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:24.800 Doesn't need real fight, but real names one hundred percent. 722 00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:28.119 There's probably some small design things that you know, I know, 723 00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:30.960 kind of grinted your gears with size of the fonts 724 00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:33.119 and stuff. So then maybe there's some more customer mobility 725 00:35:33.440 --> 00:35:35.320 where you can, like, you know, on your phone, how 726 00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:37.159 you can go old man mode and get really big, 727 00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:39.480 or you can go really small. Maybe that maybe you can 728 00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:42.719 have zoom like bigger Finn or smaller fund as an 729 00:35:42.760 --> 00:35:44.440 option for users. 730 00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:48.199 Yeah, I agree with that. More stats from the WSP 731 00:35:48.280 --> 00:35:51.400 press release as it wrapped up the summer more than 732 00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:55.880 four hundred and eighty one million dollars in total prize money. 733 00:35:55.880 --> 00:35:59.199 That's the most amount of total prize money awarded in 734 00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:02.079 wsity history. Of course, that makes sense given the fact 735 00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:05.800 that they had the most entries ever thirty seven thousand, 736 00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:09.760 three hundred and eleven places paid, so that is the 737 00:36:09.840 --> 00:36:15.239 highest number of unique payouts in Wissippi history. Forty three 738 00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:19.920 is the number of one million dollars or greater prizes 739 00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:24.559 one across the twenty twenty five series. The Millionaire Maker 740 00:36:24.559 --> 00:36:29.320 event attracted almost twelve thousand entries nine hundred and ninety six. 741 00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:33.239 That set a record for the largest buy in fifteen 742 00:36:33.320 --> 00:36:38.159 hundred dollars event in live tournament poker history. That's pretty 743 00:36:38.159 --> 00:36:42.960 freaking incredible. The Mid Stakes Championship got three thousand, seven 744 00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:46.280 hundred and ninety seven entries, becoming the largest three thousand 745 00:36:46.360 --> 00:36:50.519 dollars buy in field ever. Very very cool there. The 746 00:36:50.559 --> 00:36:54.079 Mystery Bounty PLO event two hundred and eighty four entries. 747 00:36:54.119 --> 00:36:57.519 That's freaking enormous. I just forgot how big some of 748 00:36:57.559 --> 00:37:01.679 these numbers are. That established itself as the largest PLO 749 00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:06.039 field in live tournament poker history. That's pretty ridiculous. Fifty 750 00:37:06.199 --> 00:37:09.880 Seven events exceeded two million dollars prize pool, that's an 751 00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:12.920 all time record for the series. Nine events exceeded a 752 00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:16.639 ten million dollar prize pool. That's also in all time record. 753 00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:19.519 They had a record field size in the Ladies Championship 754 00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:22.599 that was won by Sina. Okay, go to that's right, baby, 755 00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:25.840 one thousand and three and sixty eight entries there. Which 756 00:37:26.519 --> 00:37:30.239 event surprised you the most with its size or prize pool. 757 00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:32.239 You can go either up or down. I don't care 758 00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:33.079 where you go with it. 759 00:37:33.559 --> 00:37:35.280 I think it was going to do like more of 760 00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:38.480 a group event, and that was the multi flight lower Byance. 761 00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:39.880 I really thought we. 762 00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:42.400 Were going to get kind of astronomical numbers with the 763 00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:46.440 additional flights, and you know, we talked about it a 764 00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:49.079 lot this World Series and how you throw out the 765 00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:52.079 first flight and the other three flights are pretty unpower 766 00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:53.960 for what they did the previous years. 767 00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:55.239 But going into the. 768 00:37:55.159 --> 00:37:57.480 World Series, I thought Oh my god, they're basically adding 769 00:37:58.280 --> 00:38:00.519 a second last flight. So I thought we were going 770 00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:04.480 to see, you know, twenty percent increases in all of those, 771 00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:07.960 kind of the Colossus, the Monster stack, the one came 772 00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:09.000 Misterry banning all of them. 773 00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:09.880 But we didn't get that. 774 00:38:10.639 --> 00:38:13.320 So although some of them went up, that was a 775 00:38:13.400 --> 00:38:15.880 guess a little bit of a surprise to me. You know, 776 00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:17.840 we were kind of pretty bullish on those high roles. 777 00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:20.920 Some of them absolutely crushed, but yeah, pretty much those 778 00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:23.920 lower buying multipliers were the most surprising to me. 779 00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:28.320 You were in the trenches every single day. Of course, 780 00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:30.719 other than that, they you went to go play soccer 781 00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:34.079 or something on one day one morning, one morning, What 782 00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:36.920 did you notice about the player demo, you know, the 783 00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:39.280 people that were there. Did you see a shift? Did 784 00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:42.000 you see a lot of younger players, more women, more 785 00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:45.719 international I personally feel like I didn't feel like I 786 00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:49.239 saw as many internationals throughout the totality of the series. 787 00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:51.920 But what stuck out to you the. 788 00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:53.039 Land of the Rising Sun. 789 00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:58.840 Okay, what the Japanese the common I felt like there 790 00:38:58.880 --> 00:38:59.800 was just more of those. 791 00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:01.559 I mean, those guys are really really good. 792 00:39:02.199 --> 00:39:04.800 More of the Japanese players than ever there was just 793 00:39:04.880 --> 00:39:07.639 more kind of you know, whether it was South Koreans 794 00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:10.079 or just players from Asia in general, that kind of 795 00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:12.679 stood out to me. Maybe that was because like we 796 00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:16.239 didn't see as many Europeans or something, but to me, 797 00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:18.239 that was the thing that stood out the most was 798 00:39:18.320 --> 00:39:21.480 just the heavy influx of Japanese players, and you know, 799 00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:24.920 South Koreans, a bunch of other you know from there, 800 00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:28.159 but yeah, the Japanese players just seemed to be everywhere 801 00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:28.880 and crushing. 802 00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:30.880 Yeah. I mean I played with a lot of the 803 00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:33.920 Japanese players specifically in the main event, and they were very, 804 00:39:34.039 --> 00:39:38.039 very very good. The main event itself. Now that one 805 00:39:38.119 --> 00:39:42.239 did dip three point seven percent down from last year, 806 00:39:42.440 --> 00:39:44.440 my thoughts really not alarming. 807 00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:44.719 You know. 808 00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:48.320 I said that going in, if it dips a tiny bit, 809 00:39:48.679 --> 00:39:50.559 it's not that big of a deal. At the end 810 00:39:50.599 --> 00:39:53.360 of the day, it was still well over nine thousand entries, 811 00:39:53.400 --> 00:39:55.719 which I think is absolutely incredible for a ten thousand 812 00:39:55.760 --> 00:40:00.079 dollars buy and freeze out. I still think overall the 813 00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:03.480 demand is there. You know, I wouldn't sweat this if 814 00:40:03.519 --> 00:40:06.719 I was the w s AP. Now that comes with 815 00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:09.239 the fact that if we do start seeing a downward trend, 816 00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:11.360 and it starts, you know, stacking up year after year 817 00:40:11.400 --> 00:40:14.639 after year, Then okay, then there's cause for concern. But 818 00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:18.280 you know, I think we were the WS minimum was 819 00:40:18.280 --> 00:40:20.519 probably a head of pace the past two years, and 820 00:40:20.559 --> 00:40:24.079 then this year, you know, it had some pullback a 821 00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:26.559 little bit of regression there, but but nothing really to 822 00:40:26.840 --> 00:40:29.400 get alarmed by at all. You know. But again, if 823 00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:31.639 you know, if next year it's like ninety three hundred, 824 00:40:31.639 --> 00:40:33.599 the year after that it's close to nine, then it 825 00:40:33.679 --> 00:40:36.199 dips into the eight's, okay, then then there's like something 826 00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:38.880 that might need to be addressed there. But for right now, 827 00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:41.400 you know, I don't think in any way, shape or form, 828 00:40:41.440 --> 00:40:43.280 we should be alarmed about this. 829 00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:45.480 What say you, I don't think we need to be 830 00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:49.159 alarmed at all. I agree kind of with everything you said. 831 00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:51.559 The one thing we talked about a lot, and I'm 832 00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:55.440 just double checking the numbers, but we saw a heavy 833 00:40:55.519 --> 00:40:56.400 increase in. 834 00:40:58.119 --> 00:40:59.559 Day two entry this year. 835 00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:02.440 Even though the numbers went down, the field size went down, 836 00:41:02.960 --> 00:41:06.599 those day two entries went up quite significantly. One was 837 00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:08.840 up it's like twenty five percent, the other one was 838 00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:11.480 up a bit less than that. On those two flights. 839 00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:16.880 So I honestly think with the way the Vegas schedule is. 840 00:41:17.079 --> 00:41:19.880 When I say that, I'm talking Venetian when aria all 841 00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:24.119 these competing casinos, that the day two registration is going 842 00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:26.719 to keep increasing, and the fact that, like, you know what, 843 00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:30.440 this main event is a slug. You know, we when 844 00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:35.480 I busted, right, you had played pretty much fourteen more 845 00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:38.360 hours than me right when we got in, and we 846 00:41:38.440 --> 00:41:40.320 both pretty much made the money with about the same 847 00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:42.400 chips back. And then obviously you went on to do 848 00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:43.000 pretty well. 849 00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:45.920 But I think one hundred and sixty third best player 850 00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:46.800 in the world, that is correct. 851 00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:51.639 Yes, I'm the two thousand and third best player, but 852 00:41:51.679 --> 00:41:53.920 I think that matters because, like, the main event is 853 00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:57.039 a slog, and you know, saving fourteen hours probably helped 854 00:41:57.079 --> 00:41:59.320 me a lot, plus you throwing all these other events 855 00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:01.320 that people are playing. So I think that will be 856 00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:04.159 a trend that goes that continues to increase going forward. 857 00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:06.360 But yeah, I don't think we should be alarmed. You know, 858 00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:09.400 it's not a massive drop off shadow massive. You know, 859 00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:11.519 you could easily go back up to ten thousand next year. 860 00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:13.960 It could go down to ninety four hundred maybe, who knows. 861 00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:16.760 I don't think that's too much of a concern for 862 00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:17.519 the WSP. 863 00:42:18.239 --> 00:42:21.800 My early prediction as it goes up for next year, 864 00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:24.679 that's my early, early, early, way way way too early 865 00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:25.480 prediction that. 866 00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:28.719 I will say we definitely hit ten thousand next year. Okay, 867 00:42:29.719 --> 00:42:32.880 twenty five k Before we move on to well, just 868 00:42:32.920 --> 00:42:35.159 before we close this things, want to wrap up some 869 00:42:35.239 --> 00:42:39.000 live streaming numbers. You know, live streaming for the WSP's 870 00:42:39.039 --> 00:42:41.679 always talked about quite a lot this year. Did some 871 00:42:41.719 --> 00:42:45.280 calculations today. We had three hundred and forty three hours 872 00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:48.920 of WSP coverage, most we've ever done. Last year was 873 00:42:48.960 --> 00:42:50.840 three hundred hours, so you. 874 00:42:50.840 --> 00:42:52.280 Needed forty three hours more. 875 00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:55.199 Yeah, but you know we had those extra main event 876 00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:57.880 tables and stuff that's all kind of included. But yeah, 877 00:42:57.880 --> 00:43:01.199 we did a decent amount of streaming, so it's pretty 878 00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:02.840 I just wanted to kind of mention that everyone says 879 00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:05.280 we don't streaming off film. I mean, we've been going 880 00:43:05.280 --> 00:43:08.320 off every year. So just like WSP numbers go up 881 00:43:08.639 --> 00:43:09.599 stream out, I mean. 882 00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:12.840 You kind of cook the numbers there, Nah exact you 883 00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:14.360 just admitted to cooking the books. 884 00:43:14.400 --> 00:43:15.320 How do I cook the books? 885 00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:17.800 You said we had multiple tables, meaning if we had 886 00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:21.000 three tables going for eight hours you're doing twenty four hours. 887 00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:25.440 That's no, buddy, you don't do that. 888 00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:29.400 Okay, you can't cook the's I'm not cooking the books. 889 00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:33.840 That's the books live on the podcast book. Yes, that's 890 00:43:33.840 --> 00:43:35.519 a stream. We stream that table. 891 00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:38.000 If you guys ever think that we are like messing 892 00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:40.719 with you and we're not, honest, I'm just calling him 893 00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:42.880 out on his bullshit for the same company that I. 894 00:43:42.920 --> 00:43:44.800 Work for, books being cooked. 895 00:43:44.840 --> 00:43:48.119 Yeah, clearly cooking the books there as it relates to 896 00:43:48.159 --> 00:43:52.960 the streaming numbers, but still pretty good streaming overall. I 897 00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:54.559 still want us to get to a point where we 898 00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:56.760 don't take a day off. No days off. 899 00:43:57.559 --> 00:44:00.679 Yeah we didn't, Yeah, but today this year we did. 900 00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:01.119 I know. 901 00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:04.159 It was had to get those fathers to they schedule. 902 00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:09.079 It was legitimately nothing we could. We got the final table. 903 00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:10.360 Wise we can figure it out. 904 00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:12.960 If we had a bit more help from WSP where 905 00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:14.880 we could just you know, move some stuff, then we 906 00:44:14.920 --> 00:44:15.599 would have been fine. 907 00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:18.000 But yeah, I agree nowadays. 908 00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:19.719 Though, sure, twenty five K fantasy that's what we were 909 00:44:19.760 --> 00:44:23.280 going to talk about next Team b t G. I 910 00:44:23.360 --> 00:44:28.039 believe that's sponsored by Phil Gelfond, involved with Phil Golf 911 00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:31.119 on his new behind the game brand. They win it 912 00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:35.199 all twelve hundred and seventy nine points. Team Lady Gaga 913 00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:37.960 Ren's linting we should have let him draft Jeremy Osmas 914 00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:41.280 and then he wouldn't want finished in second place for 915 00:44:41.880 --> 00:44:44.880 eleven hundred and seventy nine. Interesting that Team Lady Gaga 916 00:44:44.920 --> 00:44:46.639 has been on a bit of a run here. They 917 00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:49.239 finished second to us when we won it two years ago. 918 00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:52.480 Now they finished second again. Team Hands Some Horses that 919 00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:56.400 was Phil Sternheimer and Patrick Leonard's team third place, eleven 920 00:44:56.480 --> 00:44:59.480 hundred and fifteen points. Team Dinkers believe they won it 921 00:44:59.559 --> 00:45:02.559 last year. Yeah, they seem to be very very good 922 00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:05.840 Drafters fourth place, and then we mentioned that Team Liaison, 923 00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:10.280 headed up by Andrew Stupchenko. His final win in that 924 00:45:10.519 --> 00:45:12.800 five k event at the very end of the devasit 925 00:45:12.840 --> 00:45:16.199 be allowed them to get into fifth place and cash there. 926 00:45:16.280 --> 00:45:21.719 We finished in a whopping at twentieth place. Absolutely freaking crushed. 927 00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:25.679 We got crushed, Not that we crushed, we got crushed. Listen, 928 00:45:26.320 --> 00:45:30.440 Stevensong crusher. He's going to go for sixty dollars next year, 929 00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:33.079 and he just finished like third in the Seminal Hard 930 00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:36.119 Rock Poke ropin maybe second I can't remember what that 931 00:45:36.199 --> 00:45:39.440 he finished. Seth Davies did extremely well for US. Yeah, 932 00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:42.280 Nico milgrin N also did very very well for US. 933 00:45:42.599 --> 00:45:45.599 You know, they pretty much carried the team. Uri Reichenstein 934 00:45:45.960 --> 00:45:48.800 I think did very well as well. He came out 935 00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:51.519 of the gate hot. We got him super cheap. He 936 00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:54.320 was effectively a one dollar player for US. He offered 937 00:45:54.320 --> 00:45:57.079 a lot of good support. There were certainly some moments 938 00:45:57.119 --> 00:46:00.400 where he should have had some bigger scores. A few 939 00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:02.880 things broke his lessons. They should have but could have 940 00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:05.280 had some bigger scores should a few things broke his way. 941 00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:10.000 John Shortman also, you know, offered some good support. You know, 942 00:46:10.039 --> 00:46:12.199 I think he could have also had a bunch of 943 00:46:12.199 --> 00:46:16.119 deep runs as well. He ultimately finished with twenty four points. 944 00:46:16.159 --> 00:46:19.199 He had a boatload of cashes, a bunch of deep runs, 945 00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:22.480 seventeen cashes, you know, and just a bunch of kind 946 00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:24.320 of deep runs and then things kind of fell apart 947 00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:27.519 in the end. So, you know, Johnny Shuman, he'll be back. 948 00:46:27.559 --> 00:46:31.760 Of course, Osmas did not perform, of course, but listen, 949 00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:33.800 I'm fine with it, you know. I know it's easy 950 00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:36.400 to say, like, yeah, we're never drafting Osmas again, blah 951 00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:38.960 blah blah whatever. No, I mean the guy. My big 952 00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:41.159 thing is that he showed up every single FAA day. 953 00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:44.079 He had a smile on his f and face, and 954 00:46:44.119 --> 00:46:46.360 he did his thing. And yeah, things didn't break his 955 00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:49.679 way because there's various variants involved that happens, you know, 956 00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:52.599 So it is what it is. Still a big fan 957 00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:56.519 of Jeremy Osmas. I would certainly draft him again, so 958 00:46:56.960 --> 00:46:58.480 you know, you guys can take that for what you 959 00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:00.840 want going into next year. Maybe we'll buy him for 960 00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:02.880 one hundred and forty one again, maybe we won't, but 961 00:47:03.119 --> 00:47:07.719 uh yeah, tbd. Tommy Coral and Boris Angelov horrible picks 962 00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:12.320 pass just just horrible. I mean they they didn't perform 963 00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:15.199 at all. They had ten points between them. 964 00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:18.679 Temmy Carle four cashes at the WSC, Boris Angelov three 965 00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:22.920 WSP cashes. Right, but he had nine cashes outside of 966 00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:24.960 the World Series, including a win and a second. 967 00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:27.039 Yeah, I know he had a very good summer. He 968 00:47:27.079 --> 00:47:31.159 had a very bad WSFP. You know. Ultimately, those are 969 00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:33.239 just the breaks. Those are kind of the gambles you 970 00:47:33.239 --> 00:47:35.280 take when you're you're buying one dollar players like this. 971 00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:38.079 So it is what it is I would say that 972 00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:42.679 my co owner and I Mickey Doff, need to reevaluate 973 00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:44.960 the Tommy Coral and Boris Angelov picks. 974 00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:48.480 Who were the other options? And where would have that 975 00:47:48.599 --> 00:47:51.920 kind I can't even remember. I mean, that's obviously you 976 00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:54.440 need a lot of points to get in the money. 977 00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:56.159 And now that I mean there there are a few 978 00:47:56.159 --> 00:47:59.800 people that were that were on our list for like 979 00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:02.840 to fill these like kind of roster spots. Yeah, not 980 00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:07.039 that they're necessarily one dollar players, but like a Scott Bowleman, right, 981 00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:09.840 but like Scott Bowman told us, I think it. 982 00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:12.039 Was he said he was playing the same schedule as. 983 00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:13.400 Ye, but I think he said, like if I wasn't 984 00:48:13.400 --> 00:48:14.960 worth a dollar last year, I'm not worth a dollar 985 00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:16.480 this year, or something like that. And it's like, what 986 00:48:16.519 --> 00:48:17.960 the heck am I supposed to take with that company? 987 00:48:18.039 --> 00:48:19.719 He's so I. 988 00:48:19.639 --> 00:48:21.920 Would have I don't know, you know, I don't know. 989 00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:23.760 And then he obviously has an incredible summer. 990 00:48:23.599 --> 00:48:24.400 Four hundred points. 991 00:48:26.760 --> 00:48:28.719 I mean he he I don't think he had a 992 00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:30.320 four hundred points worth of a summer, but. 993 00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:31.320 You need four hundred points. 994 00:48:31.320 --> 00:48:33.760 I wondering if he if he trade Carl for someone 995 00:48:34.360 --> 00:48:36.440 that you were likely to pick does it get you 996 00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:40.760 in the money? Let me look through the uh three. 997 00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:44.039 So Scott Bowman was one of those guys that we 998 00:48:44.119 --> 00:48:46.960 kind of at least initially, you know, we put together 999 00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:48.800 our list and then we and then based on the list, 1000 00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:50.400 we try and reach out to all them. Right, So 1001 00:48:50.440 --> 00:48:51.760 he was someone who had on our list and then 1002 00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:53.559 we reach out and then we got that comment and 1003 00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:55.320 it's like, well, I don't know exactly know how to 1004 00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:58.599 read that situation. So yeah, so there's that. So we 1005 00:48:58.679 --> 00:49:02.239 ended up not drafting him. Ryan Hoenig was also on 1006 00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:04.800 our list, ends up going for fifty two dollars like 1007 00:49:04.840 --> 00:49:06.880 we thought he was. He might not be on anyone's radar. 1008 00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:09.039 Maybe we get him for on fifteen to twenty. We 1009 00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:11.599 might be battling with one of the Florida teams or whatever. 1010 00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:14.760 This one is somebody who's always been on my list. 1011 00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:18.159 Thomas Taylor how many points again? One hundred and eighty 1012 00:49:18.159 --> 00:49:20.880 four crafted for seven bucks, right? I mean that that 1013 00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:24.159 one's kind of a one where I'm kicking myself. Matt 1014 00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:28.400 Vangren another one we kind of have on our short list. 1015 00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:31.239 He goes for nine scores, one fifty eight. You know. 1016 00:49:31.360 --> 00:49:34.360 So it's like we clicked A when we should have 1017 00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:36.360 clicked B. You know, it's like those sorts of things. 1018 00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:38.639 Even switching those two players doesn't get you in the money. 1019 00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:42.360 So it's not like no building, it's all, you know, 1020 00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:45.719 we just have to blame Masmas. He's dead to us. 1021 00:49:46.000 --> 00:49:48.079 He's definitely not dead to me. He's definitely not dead 1022 00:49:48.079 --> 00:49:50.119 to me. Let me look who I had Renjie Mao 1023 00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:53.960 on my list as well. Huh, you would never get 1024 00:49:53.960 --> 00:49:55.960 Renjie killing one for nine dollars, and he went to 1025 00:49:56.280 --> 00:49:59.920 Jeff Platt and Brent Hanks. They were bidding with him, 1026 00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:02.440 then they ended up not He scored one hundred and twelve. 1027 00:50:02.440 --> 00:50:05.480 He was certainly on our list. We had Calvin Anderson 1028 00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:07.159 on our list. This is one where like we had 1029 00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:10.440 Calvin Anderson on our list. I think Calvin Erson invested 1030 00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:13.280 in our team through poker's take, and you know, so 1031 00:50:13.360 --> 00:50:16.480 he told us a lot of insight. He ultimately went 1032 00:50:16.519 --> 00:50:19.400 for fifty one. We weren't going to go I think 1033 00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:23.880 above thirty on him, so we let him go and 1034 00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:27.199 then he scores one hundred and four. So going for 1035 00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:29.079 fifty one, you probably have to score a little bit 1036 00:50:29.119 --> 00:50:33.199 more than one hundred and four. So even though technically 1037 00:50:33.239 --> 00:50:35.519 we missed out on getting one hundred and four points 1038 00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:38.000 from him, Yeah, like he didn't meet like where he 1039 00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:40.280 should have been value wise or like you know, points 1040 00:50:40.360 --> 00:50:43.119 for value. So so that's not like a horrible pass 1041 00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:47.559 from us, right, Dario Alioto. I mean we wanted him back, 1042 00:50:47.800 --> 00:50:49.559 but he goes for a lot more. I mean just 1043 00:50:49.559 --> 00:50:52.280 the generational one dollar pick from us last year, he 1044 00:50:52.320 --> 00:50:55.079 goes for twenty five. This year, you know, scores eighty nine. 1045 00:50:56.400 --> 00:50:58.639 So he was, you know, somebody we ultimately had to 1046 00:50:58.639 --> 00:51:00.400 pass on because we weren't going to go that high, 1047 00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:04.199 like we were. We were big on John Reardon, the King. 1048 00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:07.079 We were for sure going in. Our first plan was 1049 00:51:07.159 --> 00:51:11.039 let's get Jeremy Osmas, Let's get John reard in, like 1050 00:51:11.079 --> 00:51:13.239 that's who we want. And then Jard Rearden goes for 1051 00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:16.639 fifty four, but thank god we didn't get him because 1052 00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:18.760 he only scores forty eight. Yeah, so like it's you know, 1053 00:51:18.840 --> 00:51:20.920 it's like one, it's like that's that was a good 1054 00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:24.519 situation that ultimately happened to us, not that we you know, 1055 00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:26.400 we ultimately passed. And I think we were I think 1056 00:51:26.400 --> 00:51:28.519 we were priced out to be honest at that point, 1057 00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:30.159 like we could only have once we spent one forty 1058 00:51:30.199 --> 00:51:32.840 one on on Ozmas. We could only go so high 1059 00:51:33.239 --> 00:51:36.239 on Reordan, so we ultimately had to pass. But if 1060 00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:39.159 we let's say we got Reordan for you know, let's 1061 00:51:39.159 --> 00:51:41.119 say forty five or whatever the heck the number was 1062 00:51:41.159 --> 00:51:43.199 that we could have matched out on him, then we 1063 00:51:43.280 --> 00:51:46.400 have Ozmas and Reordan. They both do horrible for us, 1064 00:51:46.719 --> 00:51:48.920 and it just doesn't work out right. So, you know, 1065 00:51:49.199 --> 00:51:51.480 it can kind of go go either way. I'm just 1066 00:51:51.559 --> 00:51:54.760 quickly scanning through if there's anyone else on here. Adam 1067 00:51:54.800 --> 00:51:57.800 Owen was somebody else that we were kind of high 1068 00:51:57.880 --> 00:52:00.960 on going in, you know, Adam Owen. He was somebody 1069 00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:03.679 who he used to be on my list years ago, 1070 00:52:04.119 --> 00:52:05.480 and then he kind of just like fell out the 1071 00:52:05.480 --> 00:52:07.360 face of the earth, Like he didn't really see him around. 1072 00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:10.119 He didn't seem like he was playing much. But then 1073 00:52:10.159 --> 00:52:12.320 he kind of had a sort of a resurgence the 1074 00:52:12.400 --> 00:52:15.039 last year year and a half, he had a big 1075 00:52:15.039 --> 00:52:17.320 score I believe it was in the mid Stakes championship 1076 00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:21.039 last summer. Gave him a pretty hefty bankroll, you know, 1077 00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:22.760 for the rest of the year, so he was somebody 1078 00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:24.440 who was now back on our radar, but he was 1079 00:52:24.440 --> 00:52:27.400 obviously back on other people's seems radar because he goes 1080 00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:29.920 for twenty two, but then he only scores twenty three. 1081 00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:33.719 So you know, that's that's one where us not getting 1082 00:52:33.800 --> 00:52:36.119 him was probably better than us getting him. So you know, 1083 00:52:36.159 --> 00:52:38.800 there's a lot of that, so you can go, what 1084 00:52:38.840 --> 00:52:40.440 if we did this, what if we did that, you know, 1085 00:52:40.480 --> 00:52:43.920 all that sort of stuff. It's like like, I know, 1086 00:52:43.960 --> 00:52:46.840 some people were like invested in our team and they're like, well, 1087 00:52:46.840 --> 00:52:50.159 you didn't have to get Ozma's for you know whatever 1088 00:52:50.199 --> 00:52:52.480 one one. You could have had Negron New for one 1089 00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:55.360 oh eight and neg scored two sixty nine. I said, well, 1090 00:52:55.400 --> 00:52:57.719 if that was the case, then we likely would have 1091 00:52:57.719 --> 00:53:00.719 got John Reardon, who would have only scored forty eight. 1092 00:53:00.920 --> 00:53:02.840 So it's like, you know, so it's like then then 1093 00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:05.840 we lose. Then we lose Set Davies, let's say, right, 1094 00:53:05.960 --> 00:53:08.519 who scored over one hundred, So we actually you know, 1095 00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:12.199 lose points there. So maybe Davy scored one thirty one, 1096 00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:15.360 so maybe yeah, maybe the combo of negran New and 1097 00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:18.440 Reordan nets out more than Osma's and Davies, But it's 1098 00:53:18.519 --> 00:53:20.719 not anything like meaningful that's gonna like get us in 1099 00:53:20.760 --> 00:53:22.480 the money. So like it's it's you know, there's so 1100 00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:24.360 many different you can't just say, like what if we 1101 00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:27.320 got this person versus that person, because with what we 1102 00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:30.320 spent on Osmas, if we had spent less on a 1103 00:53:30.400 --> 00:53:33.320 deep or negran new and we had that more money 1104 00:53:33.320 --> 00:53:34.760 than maybe we get some of these other players that 1105 00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:37.400 ultimately didn't pan out. Right, So it's you know, it's 1106 00:53:37.480 --> 00:53:38.840 it's a whole big give and of take. There's a 1107 00:53:38.840 --> 00:53:41.719 whole bunch of you know, moving parts here. So anyway, 1108 00:53:42.800 --> 00:53:44.880 we'll be back at our next year. Of course, you know, 1109 00:53:44.920 --> 00:53:46.679 we won this thing two years ago, so it is 1110 00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:49.519 certainly possible, and uh yeah, I can't wait for it. 1111 00:53:49.519 --> 00:53:52.239 The twenty five K Fantasy is one of my absolute 1112 00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:57.760 favorite things of the summer. Every single year. You got 1113 00:53:57.760 --> 00:53:58.320 a code word. 1114 00:53:58.440 --> 00:54:00.440 Yeah, it's been a little while, so we're gonna code 1115 00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:03.519 word as a reminder us him and me. 1116 00:54:04.159 --> 00:54:04.559 Well, I guess. 1117 00:54:04.599 --> 00:54:06.760 Plus the company, we're giving you guys at home chance 1118 00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:10.519 to win a seat into the PGT million dollars Championship. 1119 00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:12.679 You can play with some of these guys we're going 1120 00:54:12.760 --> 00:54:15.519 to probably we've just talked about someone about to talk about. 1121 00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:17.800 But yeah, you get to compete in our PGT Million 1122 00:54:17.800 --> 00:54:20.800 dollars Championship by winning a dream seat. And all you 1123 00:54:20.840 --> 00:54:23.039 do is just listen to us the end of the contest. 1124 00:54:23.199 --> 00:54:26.000 Put in the code code word gives you extra tickets. Basically, 1125 00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:29.480 go to PGT dot com slash dream dush Seat. All 1126 00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:32.320 our contests are there, got another one. We're adding maybe 1127 00:54:32.320 --> 00:54:36.000 another one down the road too. But you got to gleam, 1128 00:54:36.320 --> 00:54:38.559 you enter a you know, you do the retweets, you 1129 00:54:38.599 --> 00:54:40.800 do all this kind of stuff. But this week's code word, 1130 00:54:40.840 --> 00:54:44.679 it's going to get you ten raffle tickets. Team BTG, 1131 00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:48.320 So the winner of twenty five k fantasy Team BTG 1132 00:54:48.760 --> 00:54:50.840 all one words, seven letters. Put that in you'll get 1133 00:54:50.880 --> 00:54:53.960 some extra tickets. Yeah, we want to give one of 1134 00:54:53.960 --> 00:54:57.199 our loyal listeners chance to sit in here in the studio, 1135 00:54:57.239 --> 00:54:59.880 play with Danian Agrano, play with Jeremy Osmas, play with 1136 00:54:59.880 --> 00:55:03.360 our fox and play Christen Foxon, potentially take on some money, 1137 00:55:03.519 --> 00:55:07.000 represent us. You know, put on that podcast hat. So yeah, 1138 00:55:07.159 --> 00:55:08.599 do that. There's a lot of other stuff you can 1139 00:55:08.599 --> 00:55:10.639 do to try and win a seat. But yeah, PGT 1140 00:55:11.000 --> 00:55:13.719 dot com sas stream dash Seat all the contests there, 1141 00:55:13.719 --> 00:55:17.760 all the information there. I think October thirty first is 1142 00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:20.920 when we're ending it, is that right youtub couple months left. 1143 00:55:21.039 --> 00:55:24.840 So yeah, we're gonna definitely try and ramp up the pods, 1144 00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:27.159 ramp up the code words to give you guys, the 1145 00:55:27.320 --> 00:55:30.599 loyal listeners, more chance to uh to get in there 1146 00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:31.400 and win that seat. 1147 00:55:31.599 --> 00:55:34.800 And then speaking of winning seats, we have partnered with 1148 00:55:35.039 --> 00:55:39.039 True Classic this year for an event coming up towards 1149 00:55:39.039 --> 00:55:41.679 the end of the year, likely going to take place 1150 00:55:41.679 --> 00:55:44.960 in early December right here, right here at the studio, 1151 00:55:45.239 --> 00:55:47.480 right here at the Poker Ro studio, and you could 1152 00:55:47.519 --> 00:55:51.760 win a five thousand dollars package to play in that event. 1153 00:55:51.880 --> 00:55:53.760 All you have to do is go to True Classic 1154 00:55:53.840 --> 00:55:57.840 tas dot com slash t C Poker Girl. 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Really don't don't sleep on 1175 00:56:57.079 --> 00:56:59.719 this one. Okay. I don't think anyone's ever given out 1176 00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:01.880 normally when even when we do it, it's like, you know, 1177 00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:04.599 win win one seat, win one seed, win one seed, 1178 00:57:04.599 --> 00:57:06.639 win one seed. Tim's like win one dream sleep No, 1179 00:57:06.719 --> 00:57:10.079 this is fifteen seats, Okay, fifteen, So you got a 1180 00:57:10.119 --> 00:57:14.159 pretty good shot. Okay, pretty darn good shot. All right, 1181 00:57:14.239 --> 00:57:18.199 let's move on to the p g T leader board, 1182 00:57:18.199 --> 00:57:22.199 that is the Poker Go Tour up on top is 1183 00:57:22.239 --> 00:57:25.599 Michael the Grinder Miss Rocky. He went from not being 1184 00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:31.800 ranked to first yea, but he currently is ineligible. He 1185 00:57:31.880 --> 00:57:36.199 needs a third cash. We do have a qualifying element. 1186 00:57:36.280 --> 00:57:38.920 You have to have three PGT cases. I know you 1187 00:57:39.039 --> 00:57:43.320 saw him during the Right Here National Heads Up Poker Championship. 1188 00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:45.119 You let him know that he needs a third cash. 1189 00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:46.599 He seems certainly very interested in. 1190 00:57:46.639 --> 00:57:48.599 He said, I'll just get a third win, make it easy. 1191 00:57:48.639 --> 00:57:52.800 He probably confident. Honestly he probably will. Okay, he probably will. 1192 00:57:52.840 --> 00:57:56.519 So Michael Missrocky is up on top right now. Sean 1193 00:57:56.639 --> 00:57:59.719 deeb is he was. He was also I think he 1194 00:57:59.760 --> 00:58:01.760 was on ranked. I mean he doesn't play anything. 1195 00:58:02.039 --> 00:58:03.000 He was un rank. 1196 00:58:03.159 --> 00:58:05.199 Yeah, he moved up to twenty sixth. Are these are 1197 00:58:05.199 --> 00:58:05.960 like the big movers? 1198 00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:06.079 Ye? 1199 00:58:06.800 --> 00:58:09.960 Michael Wang went from twoundred and sixty fifth up to twentieth. 1200 00:58:10.519 --> 00:58:13.320 Andrew Rostupchenko We've talked about him a lot on this podcast. 1201 00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:15.920 He went from twnar ninety six up to sixty second. 1202 00:58:16.320 --> 00:58:19.360 Brian rast went from two thirty seven to forty third, 1203 00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:23.880 Maxim Piezarenko two fifty three to seventy sixth. So you 1204 00:58:23.920 --> 00:58:26.880 know there's a lot of big movers, big jumps here. 1205 00:58:27.639 --> 00:58:29.360 Kind of one other name that sticks out to me, 1206 00:58:29.480 --> 00:58:33.239 Phil Sternheimer. He went from ninety seventh up to tenth. 1207 00:58:33.760 --> 00:58:37.400 He's someone who interests me. Tenth feels like you might 1208 00:58:37.480 --> 00:58:40.599 be Lockey in terms of getting into the top forty. 1209 00:58:41.239 --> 00:58:43.199 So is he gonna then come out for the championship. 1210 00:58:44.320 --> 00:58:47.280 I think I'm more worried about deep down in those 1211 00:58:47.320 --> 00:58:50.280 mid twenties. You know, Dave is twenty fifth right now 1212 00:58:50.320 --> 00:58:54.679 with one thousand and forty four points. That's the way this, 1213 00:58:54.880 --> 00:58:57.280 like Leada Bold's shaping out. We always talk about thousand 1214 00:58:57.280 --> 00:59:00.519 points kind of being the thresholds. So many people just 1215 00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:03.360 group there with like you know, one, two, like just 1216 00:59:03.400 --> 00:59:06.039 not enough cash. Is that it's gonna it's gonna be 1217 00:59:06.039 --> 00:59:08.079 really interesting. Is because you know, talking to Deeve, I 1218 00:59:08.079 --> 00:59:10.840 always trying to get him here in the studio. I 1219 00:59:10.880 --> 00:59:12.639 don't think we're going to get him here for anything, 1220 00:59:12.920 --> 00:59:14.320 which is fine. You know, he was here for the 1221 00:59:14.400 --> 00:59:17.039 nationals Up Championship. But he's unlikely to come out play 1222 00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:19.400 any events. He will come out and play the free role, 1223 00:59:19.400 --> 00:59:22.320 he said, if he makes it so, he's going to 1224 00:59:22.360 --> 00:59:24.719 be kind of monitoring. He's gonna if I was going 1225 00:59:24.760 --> 00:59:27.039 to have a prediction. I feel like he'll sneak in 1226 00:59:27.079 --> 00:59:30.360 on that like last spot forty four points. It's just 1227 00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:32.679 it's a tough it's a tough thing, especially with the 1228 00:59:32.679 --> 00:59:35.559 people under him, Like you know, we're talking Dylan Lindy, 1229 00:59:35.679 --> 00:59:40.159 Joey Weisman, Masato, you know, Shicky Yuek Haxton, all these 1230 00:59:40.199 --> 00:59:41.960 guys that are definitely going to be in our studio 1231 00:59:42.000 --> 00:59:45.119 for something. Right, So he is definitely going to get 1232 00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:47.280 pushed down. Just how long can he hold on for? 1233 00:59:47.639 --> 00:59:48.280 Really? Yeah? 1234 00:59:48.400 --> 00:59:51.119 I mean that makes sense, Sernheimer. I think he's pretty safe. 1235 00:59:51.480 --> 00:59:53.519 Twelve hundred points, He's in tenth place right now. 1236 00:59:53.559 --> 00:59:55.880 Well, my question is more like, is he going to come? 1237 00:59:56.079 --> 00:59:57.079 No, I don't. 1238 00:59:57.280 --> 00:59:59.920 I don't see him coming, like because he's more of 1239 01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:00.599 mixed game guy. 1240 01:00:00.639 --> 01:00:00.760 Now. 1241 01:00:00.760 --> 01:00:03.400 He obviously plays no Lemon, he plays Pilo, but he is, 1242 01:00:03.599 --> 01:00:06.320 you know, a mixed game guy. I don't think we 1243 01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:09.840 see him come out for any other events but for 1244 01:00:09.880 --> 01:00:10.400 the free roll. 1245 01:00:10.679 --> 01:00:11.880 I you know, I think we see him come for 1246 01:00:11.880 --> 01:00:12.239 the free roll. 1247 01:00:12.320 --> 01:00:12.480 Yeah. 1248 01:00:12.559 --> 01:00:14.679 Yeah, because you also put it in the basically players 1249 01:00:14.719 --> 01:00:15.480 have to opt in or out. 1250 01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:17.079 Yeah, we have to change it for this year so 1251 01:00:17.119 --> 01:00:18.880 that we get the full forty. I think that's the 1252 01:00:19.239 --> 01:00:22.079 fairest thing. Obviously, someone like Jeremy Recker wish I did 1253 01:00:22.079 --> 01:00:24.199 that last year. But hey, we're trying to always improve. 1254 01:00:24.199 --> 01:00:26.320 This is one thing we're improving this year. We'll have 1255 01:00:26.360 --> 01:00:28.880 to opt in and have your seat, and you know, 1256 01:00:28.920 --> 01:00:31.480 with that, we probably will kind of have some people 1257 01:00:31.480 --> 01:00:33.480 on standby just in case, you know, there's a there's 1258 01:00:33.480 --> 01:00:34.480 a mis flight or something. 1259 01:00:34.559 --> 01:00:36.079 But I think he'll come. 1260 01:00:36.119 --> 01:00:38.320 The only tough thing for fulfilled, you know, obviously being 1261 01:00:38.360 --> 01:00:41.559 based in like London and obviously traveling for big proger events. 1262 01:00:41.599 --> 01:00:42.320 He's got a family. 1263 01:00:42.840 --> 01:00:44.280 He's going to come out for the free roll and 1264 01:00:44.280 --> 01:00:45.840 then he's gonna fly home then come out a month 1265 01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:48.320 later for the next mix game series. So that might 1266 01:00:48.320 --> 01:00:50.320 be a little wrink or he may be like, yeah, 1267 01:00:50.519 --> 01:00:53.280 pre roll, you know, maybe by then he's like thirty 1268 01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:55.559 fifth this it might not be worth it for him. 1269 01:00:55.639 --> 01:00:59.760 So that's another one. We'll obviously pay close attention to Jeremy. 1270 01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:04.199 So last year last season on the PGT, he was 1271 01:01:04.440 --> 01:01:06.519 the Player of the Year, I meaning he topped the 1272 01:01:06.599 --> 01:01:09.519 leaderboard during the regular season with the most points. Then 1273 01:01:09.559 --> 01:01:12.800 he went on to win the PGT Million dollar championship, 1274 01:01:13.079 --> 01:01:16.760 so the double for the Great Jeremy Osmas. He's currently 1275 01:01:16.840 --> 01:01:20.840 ninety ninth on the leaderboard, so outside of the top forty, 1276 01:01:20.880 --> 01:01:23.000 he's got four hundred and eighty six points. We know 1277 01:01:23.119 --> 01:01:26.239 he's in here for all of the PGT series, playing 1278 01:01:26.280 --> 01:01:28.599 every single event. He plays all the PLO stuff, he 1279 01:01:28.599 --> 01:01:32.280 plays all the mixed game stuff. He'll play obviously the 1280 01:01:32.320 --> 01:01:34.760 bigger by ins too, He'll play the smaller biens. He'll 1281 01:01:34.800 --> 01:01:36.840 really do it all. He has eleven cashes on the 1282 01:01:36.880 --> 01:01:41.519 PGT this season, four final tables, no wins. Now partly 1283 01:01:41.559 --> 01:01:43.480 why he's not doing as well as last year. As 1284 01:01:43.559 --> 01:01:46.000 last year, if you remember, during the summer he had 1285 01:01:46.000 --> 01:01:50.599 an incredible summer. He had multiple final tables, deep runs, 1286 01:01:50.599 --> 01:01:54.199 all in big buy in PGT qualifying events. He didn't 1287 01:01:54.199 --> 01:01:55.960 really have that good of a summer this year. Of course, 1288 01:01:56.000 --> 01:01:58.079 as we know, he was on our twenty five K team, 1289 01:01:58.760 --> 01:02:02.920 so he's he's lacking those WSOP points right that helped 1290 01:02:03.000 --> 01:02:06.239 boost a lot of these guys up the leaderboard. You know, 1291 01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:11.079 last season, at this same point, after the WSOP, after 1292 01:02:11.119 --> 01:02:12.960 all the ARIA high rollers in the summer, he had 1293 01:02:13.000 --> 01:02:16.280 fourteen hundred and ninety nine points, So he's about a 1294 01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:18.840 thousand off, a little bit more than a thousand off, 1295 01:02:18.840 --> 01:02:21.559 and he was he had fifteen cashes last season at 1296 01:02:21.559 --> 01:02:25.039 this point, he was in fifth place overall. So do 1297 01:02:25.119 --> 01:02:28.880 we think Jeremy's gonna make it into the top forty. 1298 01:02:28.920 --> 01:02:29.800 It's gonna be tough. 1299 01:02:29.960 --> 01:02:31.920 I mean, I think he makes it. I think he 1300 01:02:31.960 --> 01:02:34.480 makes it, but it's gonna he's got to grind. 1301 01:02:34.559 --> 01:02:37.679 He that has to like win something big or he's 1302 01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:41.840 gonna be grinding these results. Remember, you know, before he uh, 1303 01:02:42.639 --> 01:02:44.320 there was a point at Lossie where he had gone 1304 01:02:44.320 --> 01:02:46.199 like four hundred days that winning an event or something, 1305 01:02:46.760 --> 01:02:48.480 and he was just getting a lot of cashes, getting 1306 01:02:48.519 --> 01:02:51.159 a lot of seconds, thirds, fourth and fifths, but still 1307 01:02:51.199 --> 01:02:53.519 like in the right member this year obviously not breaking 1308 01:02:53.519 --> 01:02:56.320 that way. But I feel like he's just gotta start 1309 01:02:56.400 --> 01:02:59.719 stringing cashes together, thirty points a time, forty points a time, 1310 01:03:00.360 --> 01:03:02.320 and hope one of those can be piled into a 1311 01:03:02.360 --> 01:03:04.360 nice big, you know, two hundred or three hundred point win, 1312 01:03:05.039 --> 01:03:07.320 you know, send him right up there. I think he'll 1313 01:03:07.360 --> 01:03:09.320 make it. I think it's going to be a sweat. 1314 01:03:09.320 --> 01:03:11.360 He's going to be fighting, you know. 1315 01:03:11.440 --> 01:03:11.679 Truth. 1316 01:03:11.679 --> 01:03:13.920 And now to the very end, he's also going to 1317 01:03:13.920 --> 01:03:16.880 stop skipping. You knows he skipped the mix game series, 1318 01:03:16.920 --> 01:03:19.320 So I mean he's saying he would be first right now, 1319 01:03:19.320 --> 01:03:21.960 but like, hey, you miss a series, there's obviously missing 1320 01:03:22.039 --> 01:03:22.920 chances to win points. 1321 01:03:23.079 --> 01:03:25.360 I mean he's I think right now he's averaging forty 1322 01:03:25.360 --> 01:03:28.480 four points per cash. If he stays on that sort 1323 01:03:28.480 --> 01:03:32.000 of pace, he's going to need like fifteen sixteen more cashes, 1324 01:03:32.039 --> 01:03:34.639 which is kind of be kind of hard to do. So, 1325 01:03:34.719 --> 01:03:37.039 like you said, I think he's gonna need I mean, that'll. 1326 01:03:36.880 --> 01:03:38.960 Get him to SERI had twenty seven cashes. 1327 01:03:39.440 --> 01:03:41.360 Yeah, but I'm saying, but right now, with with how 1328 01:03:41.400 --> 01:03:43.800 many events are left, I'm saying he had he had 1329 01:03:43.840 --> 01:03:45.920 fifteen at this point last year, so he's four cashes 1330 01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:47.760 ahead of where he is. Yeah, So I'm saying, like 1331 01:03:47.760 --> 01:03:50.320 there's just there's all you know, there's only so many events. 1332 01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:52.519 It's like it's I'm just saying he has to he 1333 01:03:52.519 --> 01:03:54.119 has to basically make up for it at some point, 1334 01:03:54.199 --> 01:03:56.519 so you know, we'll see. Of course, I think he'll 1335 01:03:56.519 --> 01:03:59.679 get in, But of course it's it's still TBD and 1336 01:04:00.320 --> 01:04:01.760 is going to be big because there's a whole crap 1337 01:04:01.800 --> 01:04:05.599 ton of PGT stuff that is coming up. Then s 1338 01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:10.119 HRPO Seminal High Roller Poke Open. J Cody wins Hot Rock. 1339 01:04:10.639 --> 01:04:11.360 What did I say, Hi? 1340 01:04:11.480 --> 01:04:11.679 Roll? 1341 01:04:11.880 --> 01:04:15.559 Oh? Whatever, same thing. I'm kind of freaking out because 1342 01:04:15.599 --> 01:04:17.599 my battery is at seventeen percent. 1343 01:04:18.360 --> 01:04:19.679 It's crazy charges. 1344 01:04:19.800 --> 01:04:21.360 It's pretty low. I do have a charge of it's 1345 01:04:21.400 --> 01:04:23.480 in my bag and I want to avoid like getting 1346 01:04:23.599 --> 01:04:25.639 up and being like, hey, Rich at this time, you 1347 01:04:25.679 --> 01:04:27.760 have to edit the video and figure this out and whatever. 1348 01:04:27.840 --> 01:04:30.159 So let's just we're gonna try and make it through. Okay, 1349 01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:34.320 So J Cody, you guys might remember that name, Jake Cody, 1350 01:04:34.400 --> 01:04:39.079 Jake freaking Cody. Random Player of the Day AF Yeah, 1351 01:04:39.159 --> 01:04:41.880 tops eight hundred and eighty nine entries to win five 1352 01:04:41.960 --> 01:04:46.639 hundred and ten thousand dollars in the Seminal Hard Rock 1353 01:04:46.880 --> 01:04:49.480 A Poker Open main event. I believe it's a fifty 1354 01:04:49.480 --> 01:04:52.199 three or fifty two to fifty buying for that one. 1355 01:04:52.880 --> 01:04:55.159 He's an EPT champ, He's a w s B bracelet winner, 1356 01:04:55.159 --> 01:04:58.880 He's a WPT champ. He became the third triple Crown 1357 01:04:58.920 --> 01:05:02.920 winner if you include EBT main events, WSP bracelets, and 1358 01:05:03.400 --> 01:05:07.199 WPT titles. He's still the youngest Triple Crown winner. It 1359 01:05:07.239 --> 01:05:10.960 took him one year, four months, and eleven days to 1360 01:05:11.039 --> 01:05:13.840 win it. He was once, you know, during like those 1361 01:05:13.920 --> 01:05:19.880 big I would say two thousand and nine to like sixteen, 1362 01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:23.280 he was a big name. It was you know, he was, 1363 01:05:23.360 --> 01:05:25.840 he was up there. He did have a big kind 1364 01:05:25.880 --> 01:05:28.960 of results gap from twenty eighteen to twenty twenty three. 1365 01:05:29.000 --> 01:05:30.639 There was only one cash I think it was for 1366 01:05:30.719 --> 01:05:34.039 fifteen K in twenty nineteen. But other than that, nothing 1367 01:05:34.079 --> 01:05:34.519 going on. 1368 01:05:35.079 --> 01:05:37.960 I think he had a child, right, huh. I think 1369 01:05:37.960 --> 01:05:38.559 he had a child. 1370 01:05:38.800 --> 01:05:40.199 He might have, And I also think he like he 1371 01:05:40.360 --> 01:05:41.320 relocated to Florida. 1372 01:05:41.360 --> 01:05:43.480 I think he plays, and I think he used to 1373 01:05:43.519 --> 01:05:44.760 play out of cash. 1374 01:05:44.800 --> 01:05:46.679 I think he was focused on cash. Well now it 1375 01:05:46.679 --> 01:05:48.880 seems like he's back in the tournament, playing a lot 1376 01:05:48.880 --> 01:05:51.440 of stuff down at Seminole. I think last year during 1377 01:05:51.440 --> 01:05:53.239 Semino or maybe earlier this year, one of those years, 1378 01:05:53.239 --> 01:05:54.599 I don't know, he had a win for like ninety 1379 01:05:54.639 --> 01:05:56.719 K or ninety five K or something like that. This 1380 01:05:56.760 --> 01:05:59.960 win here is his third largest career score. Jeremy Wine 1381 01:06:00.360 --> 01:06:04.800 got second, Stephen Song got third, on jelco On Drakovitz 1382 01:06:04.920 --> 01:06:08.679 got fourth, Sean Davis got fifth, Our Linda John's sixth, 1383 01:06:08.760 --> 01:06:14.800 jasper Ma seventh, Joseph Kurcio eighth, Big Uni ninth, Chris 1384 01:06:14.920 --> 01:06:18.760 Unkean ninth, and Eric Kolodney got to tenth. There goes, 1385 01:06:18.960 --> 01:06:22.800 There goes my wedding ring on the floor. The field 1386 01:06:22.840 --> 01:06:25.599 size for this one, so this year eight hundred and 1387 01:06:25.639 --> 01:06:28.159 eighty nine entries is up from the year before eight 1388 01:06:28.280 --> 01:06:31.639 sixty five. But I mean this event used to get 1389 01:06:31.679 --> 01:06:34.679 well over one thousand twenty twenty one, so coming out 1390 01:06:34.719 --> 01:06:37.679 of the pandemic eleven eighty twenty twenty two, eleven ten, 1391 01:06:37.840 --> 01:06:41.920 twenty twenty three, one thousand and seventy, so kind of 1392 01:06:41.960 --> 01:06:44.679 like those slight declines for those years and then a 1393 01:06:44.719 --> 01:06:47.639 big drop off, yeah, from one thosy seventy to eight 1394 01:06:47.719 --> 01:06:50.159 sixty five for twenty twenty three to twenty twenty four. 1395 01:06:50.280 --> 01:06:53.400 So just kind of interesting to point that out. I 1396 01:06:53.599 --> 01:06:56.280 don't really have a take or lean or a big 1397 01:06:56.400 --> 01:06:56.920 thought here. 1398 01:06:57.000 --> 01:06:58.800 I have it take okay, go ahead. 1399 01:06:59.039 --> 01:07:01.440 It's too much on there's too many options for these players, 1400 01:07:01.679 --> 01:07:03.719 whether the buyers, three K, five K, there's just a 1401 01:07:03.719 --> 01:07:06.840 lot of that stuff. Now you talk about the PGT obviously, 1402 01:07:07.039 --> 01:07:09.679 you know we use to specialize in those you know, 1403 01:07:09.760 --> 01:07:12.079 twenty twenty one to twenty two higher stuff. Now we've 1404 01:07:12.079 --> 01:07:14.800 obviously brought it down to fives. You know, we added Texas, 1405 01:07:14.800 --> 01:07:17.119 so there's a three. You know, We've got an event 1406 01:07:17.159 --> 01:07:19.800 of Venetian coming up that's another three K, and then 1407 01:07:19.840 --> 01:07:23.440 other venues too. There's just a lot of options for players. 1408 01:07:24.000 --> 01:07:26.000 And then you have to also throw in World Series 1409 01:07:26.039 --> 01:07:28.639 of Poker. What I mean by that is the evolution, 1410 01:07:29.239 --> 01:07:31.599 the increase in events at the World Series, but also 1411 01:07:31.679 --> 01:07:35.119 just the increase of events in Vegas during the World Series. 1412 01:07:35.400 --> 01:07:38.199 It's just so much on offer, so much money you 1413 01:07:38.239 --> 01:07:40.760 need to spend and have, and you finish that it's 1414 01:07:40.840 --> 01:07:43.199 July eighteenth. All you want to do is sleep and 1415 01:07:43.440 --> 01:07:45.880 not think about poker anymore. And this is the first 1416 01:07:45.920 --> 01:07:49.519 big series, so some people, you know, still have a 1417 01:07:49.519 --> 01:07:53.320 bit of a WSP hangover. You know, there's also after this. 1418 01:07:53.360 --> 01:07:56.239 There's people right now flying for EPT Barcelona. There's a 1419 01:07:56.280 --> 01:07:59.199 series in Cyprus. There's just so much going on and 1420 01:07:59.239 --> 01:08:01.159 that you know, people have to pick and chrus and 1421 01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:04.760 when this series, you know, there's so many good events 1422 01:08:04.760 --> 01:08:07.199 here at Seminole. This Big Fall is a great one, 1423 01:08:07.199 --> 01:08:10.159 but sometimes you just got to pick one to not play, 1424 01:08:10.639 --> 01:08:13.400 and I think that's kind of the I would say 1425 01:08:13.440 --> 01:08:15.440 that is one of the major reasons in the decline. 1426 01:08:15.440 --> 01:08:17.760 I think it's anything against Seminal. I think it's more 1427 01:08:17.800 --> 01:08:21.399 against everything else that's going on tournament schedule wise. 1428 01:08:22.279 --> 01:08:25.319 Yeah, I mean I think that that makes sense. I 1429 01:08:25.359 --> 01:08:28.279 think this is one of those things where worth monitoring. 1430 01:08:28.399 --> 01:08:30.239 You know, we'll point it out and then we'll keep 1431 01:08:30.239 --> 01:08:32.640 an eye on and we'll see what happens next year as 1432 01:08:32.640 --> 01:08:34.640 it relates to this. I know, they obviously do a 1433 01:08:34.680 --> 01:08:38.119 lot of events at Seminole throughout the year, so you know, 1434 01:08:38.239 --> 01:08:40.920 maybe a little bit of fatigue there. Yeah, for their 1435 01:08:40.960 --> 01:08:43.079 events in general. You know, maybe I'll try and do 1436 01:08:43.119 --> 01:08:46.279 some digging in terms of these numbers and look at 1437 01:08:46.279 --> 01:08:48.760 them a little bit more closely, just to kind of 1438 01:08:48.760 --> 01:08:50.560 see how they're performing over the years, not just the 1439 01:08:50.560 --> 01:08:52.960 main event, but maybe some of the other bigger buying stuff, 1440 01:08:53.000 --> 01:08:55.199 and you know, also look at all the Seminal events 1441 01:08:55.239 --> 01:08:58.039 as opposed to just this one. So so yeah, we'll 1442 01:08:58.039 --> 01:09:03.600 see how that goes. One of the biggest story stories 1443 01:09:03.680 --> 01:09:07.720 to come out of this series was this this situation 1444 01:09:07.800 --> 01:09:11.159 where a player got dealt three cards at the feature 1445 01:09:11.199 --> 01:09:16.239 table Nile Costagen believe he's out of Ireland if I. 1446 01:09:16.279 --> 01:09:19.520 Played on tam Usa in the well really Vegas. Okay, 1447 01:09:20.239 --> 01:09:20.840 so he was. 1448 01:09:21.399 --> 01:09:23.760 He's playing on the future table on like day two 1449 01:09:23.880 --> 01:09:26.479 or something like whatever, and I mean, it's not the 1450 01:09:26.520 --> 01:09:31.239 final table is my main point. And he's dealt three cards. 1451 01:09:32.600 --> 01:09:36.640 He plays the entire hand. He raises pre flop. I 1452 01:09:37.000 --> 01:09:40.720 think he bets flop, turning river on a king. I 1453 01:09:40.720 --> 01:09:44.159 think it was like King ten eight turn eight river whatever. Like, 1454 01:09:44.399 --> 01:09:46.880 he bets the whole way. He ends up getting called 1455 01:09:46.920 --> 01:09:49.359 by King Jack. He goes to turn his hand over 1456 01:09:50.359 --> 01:09:53.560 and he turns over three cards and immediately like starts 1457 01:09:53.560 --> 01:09:57.319 freaking out, like he's really annoyed because of the situation. 1458 01:09:57.479 --> 01:09:59.680 And I think he understood. He probably knows at that 1459 01:09:59.720 --> 01:10:02.119 point that they might be killing his hand, meaning he 1460 01:10:02.159 --> 01:10:05.439 loses the pots. It's a whole thing. Floor obviously gets called. 1461 01:10:06.159 --> 01:10:08.800 They hear everything out. This is all on stream, by 1462 01:10:08.800 --> 01:10:10.800 the way, you can go. You can go on to 1463 01:10:11.079 --> 01:10:14.880 the shrpo YouTube channel and you can watch this whatever 1464 01:10:14.960 --> 01:10:16.439 day that it was on. It happened right on the 1465 01:10:16.439 --> 01:10:19.399 three hour fifty minute mark. So it's ruled that his 1466 01:10:19.479 --> 01:10:22.000 hand is dead. So the player in the one seat 1467 01:10:22.319 --> 01:10:25.520 is awarded the pot and you know, Costagens like freaking 1468 01:10:25.560 --> 01:10:27.359 out a little bit. I mean, he claims that he 1469 01:10:27.399 --> 01:10:30.039 thought he had well top set on the flop, turns 1470 01:10:30.039 --> 01:10:31.640 a full house and is just betting for value the 1471 01:10:31.640 --> 01:10:32.079 whole way. 1472 01:10:32.399 --> 01:10:36.079 The chiographics, by the way, said he had Ace king because. 1473 01:10:35.840 --> 01:10:36.720 The ace was the other card. 1474 01:10:37.119 --> 01:10:37.359 He had. 1475 01:10:37.439 --> 01:10:39.840 Ace King King is what he was dealt. So there's 1476 01:10:39.880 --> 01:10:42.439 kind of a lot to unpack here. The first thing 1477 01:10:42.479 --> 01:10:45.439 I'll say is that he was not in the small blind. 1478 01:10:45.840 --> 01:10:48.760 He was, I believe, under the gun plus one. So 1479 01:10:48.920 --> 01:10:51.520 it's not like the dealer went around the table and 1480 01:10:51.560 --> 01:10:53.840 then went around one extra spot, dealt the button the 1481 01:10:53.920 --> 01:10:56.199 last card, and then went one more to the small blind. No, 1482 01:10:56.720 --> 01:11:00.000 so what happened was is two cards got stuck together. Yeah, 1483 01:11:00.159 --> 01:11:03.840 And I mean maybe that's what happens a lot. There's 1484 01:11:04.119 --> 01:11:06.840 sweat on someone's hands, it's humid in Florida, the cards 1485 01:11:06.880 --> 01:11:10.159 get stuck together. You know, I think I saw I 1486 01:11:10.199 --> 01:11:12.640 want to say it was Christian Harder said that he 1487 01:11:12.720 --> 01:11:14.439 played on the feature table and the cards were like 1488 01:11:14.479 --> 01:11:17.880 almost magnetic in a weird way. So maybe they're elementary 1489 01:11:18.920 --> 01:11:23.039 are a little and I mean he quickly looked he's 1490 01:11:23.079 --> 01:11:26.159 getting a massage like hes. I personally don't think there 1491 01:11:26.199 --> 01:11:31.279 was any sort of issue with him, like angling or 1492 01:11:31.279 --> 01:11:35.680 anything like that. I think it's outrageous that it's just 1493 01:11:35.760 --> 01:11:38.279 ruled a dead hand. And I know you disagree. 1494 01:11:39.560 --> 01:11:41.439 That's the ruling, Okay, and that makes sense. 1495 01:11:41.840 --> 01:11:45.640 Here's here's what I'll say. We need to get away 1496 01:11:45.640 --> 01:11:49.479 from the fact that rulings like this just need to 1497 01:11:49.479 --> 01:11:53.880 be entirely black or white. I think, for probably, if 1498 01:11:53.960 --> 01:11:55.640 I'm going to put a percentage on it, let's say 1499 01:11:56.000 --> 01:11:58.640 eighty percent of rulings can probably be black or white. 1500 01:11:59.319 --> 01:12:02.560 This is the rule, this is the result of that rule, like, 1501 01:12:02.560 --> 01:12:05.479 this is what happens. I think for the other twenty percent, 1502 01:12:06.520 --> 01:12:10.399 we should probably use our judgment. Like when people go 1503 01:12:10.439 --> 01:12:13.239 into a courtroom the judge, here's the evidence, and the 1504 01:12:13.319 --> 01:12:15.479 judge will sometimes say, you know what, this time, I'm 1505 01:12:15.479 --> 01:12:17.239 going to give you a warning, sir, I know you 1506 01:12:17.239 --> 01:12:20.319 were speeding, don't f and speed again. Drive safe home. 1507 01:12:20.439 --> 01:12:22.920 What the heck are you doing? Like they use their 1508 01:12:23.000 --> 01:12:24.199 judgment at times. 1509 01:12:24.720 --> 01:12:25.359 I agree with that. 1510 01:12:25.520 --> 01:12:29.119 If we're paying rake as players, and that RAKE is 1511 01:12:29.199 --> 01:12:32.479 oftentimes increasing, you know, across the industry, I'm not going 1512 01:12:32.520 --> 01:12:34.039 to speak specific to Samon, I'm just going to say 1513 01:12:34.039 --> 01:12:37.359 across the industry, and there are generally pretty good floor people. 1514 01:12:37.399 --> 01:12:39.600 I know that Seminole has good floor people. Yeah, like 1515 01:12:39.640 --> 01:12:42.119 I you know, they always have really good floor people 1516 01:12:42.159 --> 01:12:44.000 that have been around the block that know they should 1517 01:12:44.039 --> 01:12:47.479 be able to make the judgment calls at times. Also, 1518 01:12:47.600 --> 01:12:51.800 I think that if you in this case, you can 1519 01:12:51.840 --> 01:12:55.000 look at the stream like I know, I know times 1520 01:12:55.039 --> 01:12:57.239 you can look at cameras. The camera qualities for the 1521 01:12:57.279 --> 01:13:00.079 overhead security cameras are not always the best, but the 1522 01:13:00.119 --> 01:13:02.800 streams they're in freaking four K. Like, let's go look 1523 01:13:02.800 --> 01:13:05.119 at the tape and see exactly what happened. It's clear 1524 01:13:05.199 --> 01:13:08.319 that like the dealer pitched the two cards stuck together 1525 01:13:08.479 --> 01:13:10.479 and he quickly looked. He never looks back at his 1526 01:13:10.520 --> 01:13:12.800 hand the entire time, like it's just sitting there, he's 1527 01:13:12.840 --> 01:13:15.079 getting a massage, like I don't know. 1528 01:13:15.119 --> 01:13:18.359 There's also you should mention alongside that that regardless of 1529 01:13:18.359 --> 01:13:21.680 what two CODs he uses from his hand, still wins 1530 01:13:21.680 --> 01:13:23.720 the pot. Well, if he has the ace King, he 1531 01:13:23.720 --> 01:13:25.840 still wins, right because it was against King King Jack. 1532 01:13:25.920 --> 01:13:28.560 So I mean, I just I lean to give this 1533 01:13:28.600 --> 01:13:31.439 player the benefit of the doubt. I know that there 1534 01:13:31.479 --> 01:13:34.319 are situations where people can possibly angle in this situation, 1535 01:13:34.479 --> 01:13:36.840 in this specific one, I feel like it's a it's 1536 01:13:36.880 --> 01:13:39.439 a judgment call type of thing. I feel like it's 1537 01:13:39.439 --> 01:13:42.600 a stern warning, you know, like I don't know, I 1538 01:13:42.840 --> 01:13:46.000 just feel like just I feel like it's partly lazy 1539 01:13:46.079 --> 01:13:49.279 on the people who generate the rules to just say, like, 1540 01:13:49.359 --> 01:13:50.920 this is the rule, this is what we go with 1541 01:13:51.359 --> 01:13:53.960 as opposed to installing some sort of judgment call, because 1542 01:13:54.640 --> 01:13:59.000 like again, when we're paying Rake, we're expecting for these 1543 01:13:59.039 --> 01:14:01.319 people to be experts to what they do, which in 1544 01:14:01.359 --> 01:14:03.960 this case, I believe that seminal people are. Then I 1545 01:14:04.399 --> 01:14:07.399 have confidence in them making some judgment calls in certain 1546 01:14:07.560 --> 01:14:11.039 unique situations, very very unique situations. I will also say 1547 01:14:11.039 --> 01:14:13.159 that just defaulting to the fact that it's on the 1548 01:14:13.199 --> 01:14:16.880 players is ridiculous. This happened again, by the way, about 1549 01:14:16.880 --> 01:14:19.920 twenty five minutes later, somebody was also dealt three cards, 1550 01:14:19.960 --> 01:14:23.119 same sort of situation, Like is it just always the 1551 01:14:23.119 --> 01:14:24.920 player's fault or like can the dealer figure out how 1552 01:14:24.920 --> 01:14:27.399 to pitch the cards? Like can we also worry about that? 1553 01:14:27.439 --> 01:14:29.000 You know? So it's like it's like you can't just 1554 01:14:29.039 --> 01:14:32.359 like default be like, yeah, it's the player's fault, okay, 1555 01:14:32.439 --> 01:14:35.319 Like to me, this is like faulty equipment. The two 1556 01:14:35.319 --> 01:14:38.359 things got stuck together. You know how stiff RFID cards are, 1557 01:14:38.399 --> 01:14:41.079 So like normally you peel three cards, you might be like, okay, 1558 01:14:41.079 --> 01:14:46.239 three cards, right. We already know that RFID cards are 1559 01:14:46.319 --> 01:14:48.960 very stiff, so if you're not used to peeling them regularly, 1560 01:14:49.000 --> 01:14:50.880 you might just think, like, even if it feels a 1561 01:14:50.880 --> 01:14:52.439 little bit stiffer than normal, you might just be like, well, 1562 01:14:52.479 --> 01:14:54.880 it's RFID, they're stiff anyway. Yeah, right, So you're not 1563 01:14:54.880 --> 01:14:58.439 gonna ever like really question it. So yeah, I don't know. 1564 01:14:58.560 --> 01:15:00.159 And then also there's the aspect that I you know, 1565 01:15:00.159 --> 01:15:02.199 some people out there are like, well, why didn't the 1566 01:15:02.199 --> 01:15:04.359 card reader pick up that he had three cards? That's 1567 01:15:04.399 --> 01:15:08.079 not how this works. Like one, there's different programs for 1568 01:15:08.159 --> 01:15:10.000 like when you use poo and when you use hold 1569 01:15:10.000 --> 01:15:12.640 them like, it's never going to populate four cards and 1570 01:15:12.680 --> 01:15:15.960 hold them for a for you know, and do it 1571 01:15:16.000 --> 01:15:18.760 like plo like, so it's not going to show three cards. Also, 1572 01:15:19.760 --> 01:15:22.159 we always tell the players in the studio everywhere. I 1573 01:15:22.199 --> 01:15:24.119 know they probably tell them down there, you know, you're 1574 01:15:24.119 --> 01:15:26.920 supposed to spread your cards, put them on the reader 1575 01:15:27.119 --> 01:15:28.880 for a couple of seconds, and then put them back. 1576 01:15:29.319 --> 01:15:32.359 You know, so if he puts them like that, but 1577 01:15:32.479 --> 01:15:34.119 two are still on top of each other, it's never 1578 01:15:34.159 --> 01:15:36.039 going to read that top card, or it's never going 1579 01:15:36.119 --> 01:15:38.399 to read one of the car it's not going to 1580 01:15:38.479 --> 01:15:41.520 read one of the cards. So, you know, I think 1581 01:15:41.560 --> 01:15:45.119 that's also part of it, you know. I just what 1582 01:15:45.199 --> 01:15:47.000 I would have done is and I wouldn't have done 1583 01:15:47.039 --> 01:15:48.640 like I think afterwards he like kind of freaked out 1584 01:15:48.640 --> 01:15:50.039 and was like, why isn't it a chop pot? I 1585 01:15:50.079 --> 01:15:52.880 would have just reset everything. Again, this is on stream, 1586 01:15:53.000 --> 01:15:55.800 and this is a unique situation. I'm not saying that 1587 01:15:56.319 --> 01:15:59.479 this result what I'm advocating for is something that should 1588 01:15:59.479 --> 01:16:02.279 be done everywhere, because obviously that can't be done, especially 1589 01:16:02.319 --> 01:16:04.520 when it's on non stream file tables, because then you 1590 01:16:04.560 --> 01:16:06.880 have the issue of, like people, there's the potential that 1591 01:16:06.920 --> 01:16:08.840 people angle more because it's not on a stream and 1592 01:16:08.880 --> 01:16:11.680 you can't see everything. Here you can see everything. You 1593 01:16:11.720 --> 01:16:14.880 can you know, walk it back, you can look at it, 1594 01:16:14.920 --> 01:16:17.720 and then you can also reconstruct the pot perfectly, be 1595 01:16:17.760 --> 01:16:19.920 like okay, everyone take the chips back. Miss deal. Let's 1596 01:16:19.960 --> 01:16:23.800 move on, buddy. If this happens again, like not only 1597 01:16:23.880 --> 01:16:25.279 is it a dead hand, you're getting a three round 1598 01:16:25.319 --> 01:16:27.479 penalty like like you know that sort of thing, like 1599 01:16:27.479 --> 01:16:30.079 like that's what I personally think should have been done, 1600 01:16:30.399 --> 01:16:33.520 a break from the rules. Give your case. 1601 01:16:34.760 --> 01:16:36.640 I'm gonna agree with you on the fact that you know, 1602 01:16:37.399 --> 01:16:39.359 maybe some of these rules need to have Oh so 1603 01:16:39.399 --> 01:16:42.880 now you agree with a bit of leniency where you 1604 01:16:42.920 --> 01:16:45.439 can make it up to the TV's discretion. Now, I 1605 01:16:45.439 --> 01:16:47.479 don't know what rule seminal follows, but if they're following 1606 01:16:47.560 --> 01:16:50.319 the rule book, then the spot on. Now let's wind 1607 01:16:50.399 --> 01:16:52.640 back to start. Whose fault is it? It's a bit 1608 01:16:52.640 --> 01:16:54.840 of both. Bit of bout the dealers that hey it 1609 01:16:54.880 --> 01:16:56.840 wasn't didn't make sure that that pitch was a single 1610 01:16:56.880 --> 01:16:57.239 cup pitch. 1611 01:16:57.279 --> 01:16:58.640 It's also on the place to get that caught. 1612 01:16:58.680 --> 01:17:00.760 Why can it also be no one's It's just the 1613 01:17:00.800 --> 01:17:01.800 fact that the courts. 1614 01:17:02.000 --> 01:17:04.319 Together has to be someone's fault. You're dealing the cards. 1615 01:17:04.359 --> 01:17:08.119 That's the point courts stuck together. Point two point two 1616 01:17:08.159 --> 01:17:10.840 is also the players should make sure like I've been 1617 01:17:10.880 --> 01:17:13.119 dealt three cards before playing hold of make how know 1618 01:17:13.159 --> 01:17:14.840 I got three cards or I haven't. 1619 01:17:14.640 --> 01:17:16.159 Been dealt a card on the button. That kind of 1620 01:17:16.199 --> 01:17:18.000 stuff happens a lot. Now. 1621 01:17:18.439 --> 01:17:21.920 The way the rule is written, I think it's it's 1622 01:17:21.960 --> 01:17:26.159 completely fine because the rules are written to protect players, Okay, 1623 01:17:26.359 --> 01:17:29.000 and I'm not saying that he is trying to angle 1624 01:17:29.039 --> 01:17:32.720 and like you know, we've brought that up, but it's otherwise. 1625 01:17:33.079 --> 01:17:35.520 It's written so he can't. You can't free roll someone. 1626 01:17:35.600 --> 01:17:37.520 What I mean by that is you're dealt three cards. 1627 01:17:38.000 --> 01:17:40.439 You oh, I've got three cards. Well, I know, let's 1628 01:17:40.439 --> 01:17:42.319 say it's the rules written your way, we chop it. 1629 01:17:42.960 --> 01:17:45.399 I can just free roll this play. I can just bet, bet, bet, 1630 01:17:45.439 --> 01:17:46.840 But he calls on the end of oh I got 1631 01:17:46.840 --> 01:17:49.039 three cards, I chop it up. I'm basically I can 1632 01:17:49.079 --> 01:17:51.439 free roll opponent. So I'm trying. The rules are in 1633 01:17:51.520 --> 01:17:53.960 to protect, not the guy with three cards. It's to 1634 01:17:53.960 --> 01:17:56.279 protect the guy doesn't have three cards. And I think 1635 01:17:56.279 --> 01:17:58.640 it's fine. I understand. I like what you're saying that. 1636 01:17:58.720 --> 01:18:01.000 You know, like there's gonna be times where we've all 1637 01:18:01.000 --> 01:18:04.239 played poker. We've been dealt two jacks and it comes 1638 01:18:04.359 --> 01:18:06.680 all clubs and you know you have a black jack. 1639 01:18:06.760 --> 01:18:08.880 You check your cards, right, there's gonna be times where 1640 01:18:08.880 --> 01:18:11.319 you could potentially be dealt three cards and they're three aces, 1641 01:18:11.439 --> 01:18:12.560 and you don't really think twice. 1642 01:18:12.600 --> 01:18:13.479 You just squeeze. 1643 01:18:13.720 --> 01:18:15.439 You might have squeezed all three, but you might have 1644 01:18:15.560 --> 01:18:17.760 just thought you had a black ace, so you didn't 1645 01:18:17.760 --> 01:18:20.239 think too much of it. Another time is have it 1646 01:18:20.319 --> 01:18:22.199 if a dealer deals that second card and it's stuck 1647 01:18:22.279 --> 01:18:24.840 under a napkin or stuck under the rail, that's. 1648 01:18:24.640 --> 01:18:26.359 Not your fault right at all. 1649 01:18:26.920 --> 01:18:29.680 So I definitely agree that maybe we do need some, 1650 01:18:30.600 --> 01:18:34.560 you know, TD discretion with certain rules. This is one 1651 01:18:34.560 --> 01:18:36.399 where you could obviously look at his hand and be like, 1652 01:18:36.600 --> 01:18:38.800 you either had two kings for a full house, or 1653 01:18:38.840 --> 01:18:41.039 you had ace King for two pair with the best 1654 01:18:41.079 --> 01:18:44.079 kicker you win anyway. I don't think there's anything malicious 1655 01:18:44.079 --> 01:18:47.720 here him arguing I'm arguing that I would have a 1656 01:18:47.800 --> 01:18:48.720 value at Ace King. 1657 01:18:48.760 --> 01:18:49.399 I don't think that. 1658 01:18:49.560 --> 01:18:52.079 Also, the fact that the way that this one played 1659 01:18:52.079 --> 01:18:54.560 out where he were in the position that he was in, 1660 01:18:54.840 --> 01:18:57.720 we also don't know if his first card doubled up 1661 01:18:57.800 --> 01:18:59.399 or his second card double up, but it messed up 1662 01:18:59.399 --> 01:19:01.720 the entire world. The whole hand is off, the whole 1663 01:19:01.720 --> 01:19:04.000 hands off, the full hand is wrong. Yeah, like it's 1664 01:19:04.000 --> 01:19:06.039 one wrong here, but. 1665 01:19:06.079 --> 01:19:08.439 That's just the normal thing where it's like significant action then, 1666 01:19:08.439 --> 01:19:08.880 but it's. 1667 01:19:08.720 --> 01:19:10.399 Not like it's not like if she would have dealt, 1668 01:19:10.640 --> 01:19:12.279 if the dealer would have dealt all the cards and 1669 01:19:12.279 --> 01:19:14.720 then dealt an extra card to the small blind, everyone 1670 01:19:14.720 --> 01:19:17.000 else's hands, everyone's house. So it's a little bit different. 1671 01:19:17.039 --> 01:19:20.880 This is like literally everyone's hand is wrong. It's just wrong. 1672 01:19:21.000 --> 01:19:24.279 Except the blinds. Right, huh except the blinds. 1673 01:19:24.399 --> 01:19:26.319 Well, it depends when that card. I thought you said 1674 01:19:26.359 --> 01:19:27.720 it was his second cun I don't know if it 1675 01:19:27.800 --> 01:19:29.119 was a second card or not. We don't know. 1676 01:19:29.159 --> 01:19:33.920 We justly pitches to him twice. So yeah, potentially either way, 1677 01:19:34.760 --> 01:19:36.319 you are great. Does throw off the whole hand. But 1678 01:19:36.359 --> 01:19:39.000 then that's the other role with the significant action rule, 1679 01:19:39.039 --> 01:19:41.239 which also. 1680 01:19:40.640 --> 01:19:42.640 It throws off the whole hand, It throws off the flow, 1681 01:19:42.760 --> 01:19:44.039 it throws off literally everything. 1682 01:19:44.680 --> 01:19:46.800 As the rule is. I think it's I would also. 1683 01:19:46.600 --> 01:19:51.840 Rather be where they reconstruct the hand, give everyone their 1684 01:19:51.920 --> 01:19:54.920 chips back, and then issue the guy a penalty. I 1685 01:19:54.920 --> 01:19:57.720 think that's a better ruling than him just losing the pot. 1686 01:19:58.920 --> 01:20:02.079 Oh ok saying so I'd be like, listen, you you 1687 01:20:02.159 --> 01:20:06.319 played the hand with three cards. Now, I can't judge intent. 1688 01:20:06.520 --> 01:20:08.760 If I'm the TD, I can't judge intent, but I'm 1689 01:20:08.800 --> 01:20:11.479 putting you on a one round penalty. It's it's the 1690 01:20:11.520 --> 01:20:15.560 same thing like when when people who are beginner players 1691 01:20:15.920 --> 01:20:17.960 they check back the river with the nuts, and we 1692 01:20:17.960 --> 01:20:20.399 were giving people one round penalties for that. Yeah, Like, 1693 01:20:20.640 --> 01:20:25.199 are you like you're you can't judge intent? Okay, Now 1694 01:20:25.279 --> 01:20:27.039 some people that might have been playing with people might 1695 01:20:27.039 --> 01:20:29.079 be like, yeah, this person's clearly new, they didn't mean 1696 01:20:29.119 --> 01:20:31.520 it whatever, you know, but it doesn't matter. The rule 1697 01:20:31.600 --> 01:20:33.560 is a one round penalty. We're not going to judge intent. 1698 01:20:33.960 --> 01:20:35.239 So here I would be like, we're not going to 1699 01:20:35.319 --> 01:20:39.039 judge intent, but because this hand is so fed up, okay, 1700 01:20:39.800 --> 01:20:41.640 we're gonna give you a one round penalty, but you're 1701 01:20:41.640 --> 01:20:45.760 gonna get your chips back. I think I'm not saying 1702 01:20:45.760 --> 01:20:47.279 that that's the way that I would go. I would 1703 01:20:47.319 --> 01:20:49.039 go with what I said first, but I'm saying I 1704 01:20:49.079 --> 01:20:52.439 think that is better than him losing all his chips. 1705 01:20:53.199 --> 01:20:55.720 That's where it gets like, this hand should not have happened. 1706 01:20:55.800 --> 01:20:58.840 And I've said this before on this podcast. In situations 1707 01:20:59.000 --> 01:21:01.600 when the hand should literally not have happened, why don't 1708 01:21:01.640 --> 01:21:04.159 we just take it all back. We have the ability 1709 01:21:04.199 --> 01:21:07.079 in most cases to take it all back. Yeah, So, 1710 01:21:07.119 --> 01:21:08.760 like I don't know, like, especially in this case where 1711 01:21:08.760 --> 01:21:13.279 it's on a stream, just take it back. Like it 1712 01:21:13.279 --> 01:21:16.000 it seems so ridiculous that this person just loses a 1713 01:21:16.039 --> 01:21:19.399 bunch of their chips because of some faulty equipment, like 1714 01:21:19.479 --> 01:21:23.479 two cards got stuck together, like it just happens, you know. Yeah, 1715 01:21:23.640 --> 01:21:27.159 Like it's that seems so ridiculous to me in a 1716 01:21:27.199 --> 01:21:30.680 world when I'm supposed to believe that that tournament staff 1717 01:21:31.119 --> 01:21:33.439 are experts and if that's the case, which I tend 1718 01:21:33.479 --> 01:21:35.680 to believe, yes that is the case, then I would 1719 01:21:35.760 --> 01:21:40.159 trust them in very very very unique situations to make 1720 01:21:40.199 --> 01:21:44.399 a judgment call. But now if that judgment call turns 1721 01:21:44.439 --> 01:21:46.600 into abuse and we find out this player is then 1722 01:21:46.680 --> 01:21:50.000 doing it more later on, then it's like okay, buddy, listen, 1723 01:21:50.560 --> 01:21:52.800 Like you're gonna get a three round penalty, You're possibly 1724 01:21:52.840 --> 01:21:55.720 just gonna get snapdecued. Like it's just it's getting ridiculous 1725 01:21:55.720 --> 01:21:57.279 at this point, like that, like I would, I would, 1726 01:21:57.359 --> 01:22:00.359 I would fast track it in that regard, But this 1727 01:22:00.399 --> 01:22:04.479 first one just seems so like crazy, and it's again 1728 01:22:04.520 --> 01:22:08.399 it's such a unique situation and unique situations, I think 1729 01:22:08.439 --> 01:22:11.800 you have to kind of think things through, take in 1730 01:22:11.880 --> 01:22:14.439 all the evidence, use some common sense, and not just 1731 01:22:14.520 --> 01:22:16.039 be like, well, this is what the rule book says, 1732 01:22:17.720 --> 01:22:19.880 Like I would be curious. I haven't read the entire 1733 01:22:19.960 --> 01:22:21.880 rule book. I'm not ever going to do that, but like, 1734 01:22:22.279 --> 01:22:25.520 what is the rule book on penalties? Because penalties seem 1735 01:22:25.600 --> 01:22:29.319 largely judgment calls. Some floors might give a one round penalty, 1736 01:22:29.399 --> 01:22:31.399 some might give a warning, some might give three rounds, 1737 01:22:31.399 --> 01:22:33.840 some might give a hand Like what is actually are 1738 01:22:33.880 --> 01:22:36.279 the actual rules or are all the rules judgment calls? 1739 01:22:37.680 --> 01:22:40.520 Because one I'll say that, Okay, if there are hard 1740 01:22:40.600 --> 01:22:45.479 rules for penalties, but then you're doing judgment calls, then 1741 01:22:45.600 --> 01:22:48.199 the ability to break from the rules is there? Or 1742 01:22:49.079 --> 01:22:51.600 if the rules say you make a judgment call on penalties, 1743 01:22:51.640 --> 01:22:55.039 then why can't there also be judgment calls. I don't know. 1744 01:22:55.079 --> 01:22:58.680 I personally just feel like this was a bit much 1745 01:22:58.720 --> 01:23:01.000 to just give the other guy. It just seems. 1746 01:23:00.800 --> 01:23:05.800 Ridiculous to me looking. Yeah, I don't get the TV, but. 1747 01:23:05.840 --> 01:23:08.119 Like the TDA rules. Also, I read an article on 1748 01:23:08.159 --> 01:23:10.840 poker dot org where they talked with Matt Savage who 1749 01:23:10.840 --> 01:23:12.960 obviously talks you know, works with them on this sort 1750 01:23:12.960 --> 01:23:14.840 of stuff. There was a quote in there from Matt 1751 01:23:14.960 --> 01:23:17.279 shout out Matt Savage, where see he said that he 1752 01:23:17.359 --> 01:23:18.159 sees this a. 1753 01:23:18.079 --> 01:23:21.279 Lot is a very short one. 1754 01:23:21.319 --> 01:23:25.199 Have you seen this ever? I have literally never said something. No, okay, 1755 01:23:25.279 --> 01:23:28.439 there's three cards, but there's three cards in the position 1756 01:23:28.560 --> 01:23:30.439 that this guy was in, meaning he was clearly dealt 1757 01:23:30.479 --> 01:23:33.159 to at the same time. How many hands of tournament 1758 01:23:33.159 --> 01:23:37.199 poker have you covered and played? Have you ever seen this? 1759 01:23:37.279 --> 01:23:40.479 I've seen it a surprisingly a lot amount of times, 1760 01:23:40.640 --> 01:23:42.439 but not like it the way he's saying it, And 1761 01:23:42.439 --> 01:23:43.039 I think. 1762 01:23:43.199 --> 01:23:45.039 Like, there's I have I have never seen this like 1763 01:23:45.039 --> 01:23:45.640 I've seen people. 1764 01:23:45.880 --> 01:23:49.279 I've seen it where it's like it's been when I 1765 01:23:49.479 --> 01:23:51.520 played poker last week and it happened. 1766 01:23:51.600 --> 01:23:54.359 I've seen it with a small blinde gets done in like. 1767 01:23:54.319 --> 01:23:56.560 Middle position and like then the deal is like, oh 1768 01:23:56.640 --> 01:23:59.119 wait a second, Uh the top CODs is the bottom 1769 01:23:59.199 --> 01:24:01.760 cards his? But that's more like the players the cards 1770 01:24:01.760 --> 01:24:03.319 are all over the place. No, but like I've seen 1771 01:24:03.319 --> 01:24:05.720 two cards come out. I reckon I would see two 1772 01:24:05.800 --> 01:24:08.600 cards have come out. I would say average wants every 1773 01:24:08.720 --> 01:24:10.239 like three PoCA session. 1774 01:24:10.119 --> 01:24:12.039 But have you seen it where what I'm saying is 1775 01:24:12.279 --> 01:24:14.600 we're like literally the cards stuck together. So like you 1776 01:24:14.600 --> 01:24:17.079 don't know that's what That's what I'm saying. I've seen 1777 01:24:17.119 --> 01:24:19.439 two cards come out, yes, but like you have, I 1778 01:24:19.479 --> 01:24:21.399 don't think I've ever seen it where like it gets 1779 01:24:21.439 --> 01:24:23.720 like you can watch the pitch, it does not look 1780 01:24:23.800 --> 01:24:26.239 like two cards at all at any point, Like it's 1781 01:24:26.319 --> 01:24:30.079 clearly you know, one looks they're just stuck together. It's like, 1782 01:24:30.119 --> 01:24:32.159 I don't know how you can see that in that position. 1783 01:24:32.680 --> 01:24:34.840 Yeah, I don't know if I've ever seen it like that. 1784 01:24:34.960 --> 01:24:37.479 But yeah, so I'm not as a strong word from 1785 01:24:37.640 --> 01:24:39.039 missus Savage. 1786 01:24:39.039 --> 01:24:40.920 No, I know what you're saying. Normally, like you know, 1787 01:24:41.000 --> 01:24:43.319 two cards kind of come out, they're kind of close 1788 01:24:43.359 --> 01:24:45.359 to each other because they break apart at some point 1789 01:24:45.680 --> 01:24:47.399 and it's like, well which card's mind? Which card's not 1790 01:24:47.439 --> 01:24:48.760 on the doers, Like, well, that one's yours and that 1791 01:24:48.800 --> 01:24:51.479 one's yours. You know that that happens a fair amount, yes, 1792 01:24:51.760 --> 01:24:53.760 but never that the card is fully made it into 1793 01:24:53.800 --> 01:24:56.920 the guy's hand, you know, without breaking it all. Yeah, 1794 01:24:56.960 --> 01:24:59.560 because even if it I've I think i've seen it 1795 01:24:59.600 --> 01:25:01.720 where like it's gotten pretty close and the dealer will 1796 01:25:01.720 --> 01:25:04.079 be like, oh, there's two cards, Like the dealer snap 1797 01:25:04.159 --> 01:25:07.600 knows right, So it's just just yeah. Again, I think 1798 01:25:07.640 --> 01:25:11.319 this is an entirely unique situation that calls for a 1799 01:25:11.560 --> 01:25:15.159 unique ruling right now. Again, this should not be the 1800 01:25:15.239 --> 01:25:17.720 rule at all times, and not everything should be a 1801 01:25:17.800 --> 01:25:20.960 judgment call. The majority of stuff, the large majority of 1802 01:25:21.000 --> 01:25:23.199 stuff should be this is the rule, this is what happens. 1803 01:25:23.199 --> 01:25:25.079 This is like the penalty or this is the ruling 1804 01:25:25.199 --> 01:25:28.680 or whatever the result in this situation. I don't know. 1805 01:25:28.960 --> 01:25:31.520 I think it's a bit much like I go back 1806 01:25:31.520 --> 01:25:36.039 to the hand with with Gail Bauman and Andre karaknai 1807 01:25:36.800 --> 01:25:40.520 w is a main event where like isn't the rule 1808 01:25:41.239 --> 01:25:44.760 that he had he said call or set all in 1809 01:25:44.840 --> 01:25:47.880 or whatever, so like he has to call, yeah, you know, 1810 01:25:48.000 --> 01:25:50.159 and it's like okay, but and then but then they 1811 01:25:50.199 --> 01:25:51.560 made a judgment call and they said, you know, you're 1812 01:25:51.560 --> 01:25:54.279 not going to use your lose your tournament life because 1813 01:25:54.279 --> 01:25:56.720 you didn't see it, Like that was a judgment call. 1814 01:25:57.279 --> 01:26:00.680 But isn't the rule Like all the people saying like, listen, 1815 01:26:01.079 --> 01:26:03.039 you're the player, you gotta protect yourself. Well, if he 1816 01:26:03.039 --> 01:26:04.720 didn't see it, so you see the rays and set 1817 01:26:04.760 --> 01:26:07.039 all in and she's got two kings. I mean, I'm sorry, 1818 01:26:07.039 --> 01:26:08.520 she's got to call you buddy, and your tips are 1819 01:26:08.520 --> 01:26:09.960 in the middle. That's just how it is. 1820 01:26:10.479 --> 01:26:11.760 Like, no, no, that makes sense. 1821 01:26:12.079 --> 01:26:18.479 So anyway, that's my uh my rant on that I 1822 01:26:18.520 --> 01:26:21.840 have another uh I have a take. Okay, there's been 1823 01:26:21.880 --> 01:26:23.880 a lot of conversation I think, feel like in the 1824 01:26:23.880 --> 01:26:26.680 past week or two, and it's mostly Daniel m'growney and 1825 01:26:26.720 --> 01:26:29.720 Matt Savage are like going at it about this clock situation. 1826 01:26:30.640 --> 01:26:32.800 Like one mgran who's in some article I think on 1827 01:26:32.880 --> 01:26:35.199 poker dot org saying like, don't call it an action clock. 1828 01:26:35.920 --> 01:26:38.279 You know, I don't know, so I think he's like 1829 01:26:38.319 --> 01:26:41.399 half joking. But also like obviously Savage works for WPT 1830 01:26:41.640 --> 01:26:45.199 and they have the action clock, like it's trademark that clock. 1831 01:26:45.279 --> 01:26:49.199 I like the term action clock, Like I wish that 1832 01:26:49.239 --> 01:26:51.119 it wasn't trademark so that we could use that everywhere 1833 01:26:51.159 --> 01:26:54.000 because I hate calling you the shot clock. Like mgrannio says, like, 1834 01:26:54.039 --> 01:26:55.920 we're not calling it an action clock, it's a shot clock. Well, 1835 01:26:56.000 --> 01:26:58.680 there's no shots in poker. We took it from the NBA, 1836 01:26:59.079 --> 01:27:00.880 is what we did. Because we're easy as poker people 1837 01:27:00.880 --> 01:27:03.279 and we're not creative at all, but that's how we are. 1838 01:27:03.319 --> 01:27:06.000 I don't know the PGT sholock. I would not call 1839 01:27:06.000 --> 01:27:07.720 it a shot clock, but okay, that's probably right. 1840 01:27:08.039 --> 01:27:08.279 Yeah. 1841 01:27:08.960 --> 01:27:13.520 My new thought is that clocks everywhere in poker, the 1842 01:27:13.840 --> 01:27:16.279 the the action clocks, the play clocks, the shock clocks, 1843 01:27:16.319 --> 01:27:18.880 whatever the heck you want to call them, Like we're 1844 01:27:18.880 --> 01:27:22.680 giving these guys too much time? Okay. My thought is 1845 01:27:22.680 --> 01:27:28.000 that isn't the point of this to actually create some 1846 01:27:28.279 --> 01:27:32.600 urgency in poker? And it never becomes a thing, Whereas 1847 01:27:32.640 --> 01:27:34.920 if you want to go look at the NBA, the 1848 01:27:34.920 --> 01:27:37.880 shot clock in the NBA becomes a part of a 1849 01:27:37.960 --> 01:27:40.880 game multiple times a game. The play clock in the 1850 01:27:41.000 --> 01:27:44.079 NFL becomes part of the game multiple times a game. 1851 01:27:45.239 --> 01:27:48.119 I feel like these clocks in poker, with these time extensions, 1852 01:27:48.119 --> 01:27:51.880 like never become a thing. It's so rare. Shouldn't it 1853 01:27:51.920 --> 01:27:55.039 be more of a thing? Like why should people get 1854 01:27:55.039 --> 01:27:56.640 the found tables and they have thirty of these fin 1855 01:27:56.720 --> 01:27:59.039 things and like they can just take seven minutes. 1856 01:27:59.239 --> 01:28:01.880 That's on the upright them more than anything. 1857 01:28:02.000 --> 01:28:03.760 But that's what I'm saying, Like, shouldn't we shouldn't there 1858 01:28:03.800 --> 01:28:07.079 be less times that if these are in play, shouldn't 1859 01:28:07.119 --> 01:28:10.000 they they be in play also to create more urgency, 1860 01:28:10.159 --> 01:28:11.800 And then it becomes more of a thing. It becomes 1861 01:28:11.840 --> 01:28:13.119 more involved in the competition. 1862 01:28:13.520 --> 01:28:16.119 It becomes more like everything is urgent, much different to 1863 01:28:16.119 --> 01:28:17.760 what it was to say, five to ten years ago. 1864 01:28:18.399 --> 01:28:21.720 Now there's not four minutes every straight like you have time, 1865 01:28:21.800 --> 01:28:24.960 you have a set shot clock, and you have time extensions. 1866 01:28:25.000 --> 01:28:27.199 So I don't know, I feel like it's not I 1867 01:28:27.239 --> 01:28:31.800 feel like it's not as urgent as the intention is 1868 01:28:31.880 --> 01:28:33.359 originally set out for it to be. 1869 01:28:34.239 --> 01:28:37.880 I think the intention was to prevent the long tanks 1870 01:28:37.880 --> 01:28:40.199 and long delays. I think it's done that now people 1871 01:28:40.319 --> 01:28:40.800 abuse that. 1872 01:28:40.840 --> 01:28:43.319 Yeah, but some people would say the opposite. I'm not 1873 01:28:43.399 --> 01:28:46.000 saying I would, but some people say that it's worse 1874 01:28:46.039 --> 01:28:48.920 with clocks because people take the full thirty seconds or 1875 01:28:48.920 --> 01:28:49.600 the full twenty. 1876 01:28:49.479 --> 01:28:51.520 Second, and then once that happens, we started making change 1877 01:28:51.520 --> 01:28:55.640 twenty second and it's it's never going to be perfect. 1878 01:28:55.880 --> 01:28:58.560 There's going to be people that find ways so abuse 1879 01:28:58.600 --> 01:29:01.800 every rule in poker. Wow, Until we can invent a 1880 01:29:02.680 --> 01:29:06.399 live like we have online, like a chess clock. Yeah, 1881 01:29:07.159 --> 01:29:09.720 until someone can patent that and do that live. I 1882 01:29:09.760 --> 01:29:11.279 think we're always going to have issues, and it's just 1883 01:29:11.359 --> 01:29:16.720 about trying to perfect the clock as much as we can. 1884 01:29:17.039 --> 01:29:19.760 And we've made changes every season here with the amount 1885 01:29:19.760 --> 01:29:23.159 of time extensions, with the twenty seconds pre the thirty 1886 01:29:23.199 --> 01:29:25.319 posts all that, and everyone is always going to keep 1887 01:29:25.359 --> 01:29:28.840 making changes to find what's best, so adjust as needed. 1888 01:29:28.880 --> 01:29:30.640 It's just hot, it's just really hard. 1889 01:29:31.039 --> 01:29:33.960 Yeah. I just I could be entirely wrong here in 1890 01:29:34.079 --> 01:29:36.800 terms of like what I think I see, But I 1891 01:29:36.800 --> 01:29:39.800 feel like I'm in commentary boosts enough now that when 1892 01:29:39.840 --> 01:29:41.800 it comes to final tables, I just don't feel like 1893 01:29:41.840 --> 01:29:46.159 the clock becomes a pressing point as often as it 1894 01:29:46.199 --> 01:29:49.279 may should or as it should be, like it should 1895 01:29:49.319 --> 01:29:51.560 be a factor more that like you're running out of 1896 01:29:51.600 --> 01:29:55.079 time extensions, you have to act quicker, Like I don't know, 1897 01:29:55.199 --> 01:29:56.800 it's just interesting to me, Like I feel like it's 1898 01:29:56.800 --> 01:29:58.439 just not really an issue if you just play like 1899 01:29:59.520 --> 01:30:02.640 halfway normal, it's just it's just fine. You're never really 1900 01:30:02.680 --> 01:30:05.760 a risk. It's like, maybe do we want to increase 1901 01:30:05.800 --> 01:30:08.159 that risk a little bit? And it would it lead 1902 01:30:08.199 --> 01:30:09.760 to a better entertainment. 1903 01:30:09.319 --> 01:30:11.520 From prevy aspect, Like it feels like you're coming. 1904 01:30:11.840 --> 01:30:14.880 I think aspect well, I think, but I think originally 1905 01:30:15.399 --> 01:30:18.479 the clocks were put into play for entertainment. 1906 01:30:19.520 --> 01:30:22.199 No, I disagree, completely disagree. 1907 01:30:23.960 --> 01:30:26.399 Why I think that'll put it in to prevent we 1908 01:30:26.399 --> 01:30:29.000 were round when the first action clock, remember the first 1909 01:30:29.000 --> 01:30:32.239 action clock was WPT chucktaw like twenty seventeen. 1910 01:30:32.319 --> 01:30:35.159 Yes, but it was. It was, if I remember it correctly. 1911 01:30:35.239 --> 01:30:38.479 It's because everyone was complaining that poker is taking so long. 1912 01:30:38.560 --> 01:30:39.079 If but that was. 1913 01:30:39.159 --> 01:30:41.000 I don't think that was like the TV is is. 1914 01:30:41.239 --> 01:30:43.039 But I'm not saying I'm not saying entertainment in forms 1915 01:30:43.079 --> 01:30:44.840 of TV. I'm saying entertainment in terms of like the 1916 01:30:44.840 --> 01:30:45.920 actual playing product. 1917 01:30:47.119 --> 01:30:49.920 Okay, yeah, but that's yeah, that's that's that's what we agree. 1918 01:30:49.920 --> 01:30:52.199 Ones Like when I sit down at a table, I 1919 01:30:52.239 --> 01:30:55.119 don't want to play five hands an hour, like I 1920 01:30:55.159 --> 01:30:56.239 want to play more hands. 1921 01:30:56.439 --> 01:30:57.039 Okay, yeah. 1922 01:30:57.079 --> 01:30:59.479 I think every time I think falls to some degree 1923 01:30:59.560 --> 01:31:05.319 in an a teamment bucket. 1924 01:31:02.960 --> 01:31:07.359 A Venetian to play the three hundred something I'll be tomorrow, 1925 01:31:08.399 --> 01:31:11.079 But there's also a three hundred dollars at the Venetian 1926 01:31:11.159 --> 01:31:13.159 on the other side of the room. One has a 1927 01:31:13.159 --> 01:31:15.720 shot clock from the start. One has the normal Venetian 1928 01:31:15.760 --> 01:31:17.439 rules or the shot clocks like in the money right, 1929 01:31:17.479 --> 01:31:19.199 which one do you play? 1930 01:31:19.479 --> 01:31:21.520 I mean fell sizes are the same, Yeah, I mean 1931 01:31:21.600 --> 01:31:23.920 obviously you probably play the shot clock. 1932 01:31:24.000 --> 01:31:25.439 Yeah, I think I would agree. 1933 01:31:25.439 --> 01:31:27.159 The reason we don't have shot clocks in every event 1934 01:31:27.239 --> 01:31:30.920 is just the amount of you know, the logistics behind 1935 01:31:30.960 --> 01:31:32.920 it having clocks at every table. We need a lot 1936 01:31:32.920 --> 01:31:34.880 of time intensions. It's a lot of it's a bit 1937 01:31:34.920 --> 01:31:37.640 more labor, et cetera. But I think everyone would agree 1938 01:31:37.640 --> 01:31:39.920 that having a shot clock from the side is better 1939 01:31:39.920 --> 01:31:42.359 in all events. But there is more tour than that. 1940 01:31:42.399 --> 01:31:44.720 There is the labor aspect. Does every table have a 1941 01:31:44.760 --> 01:31:47.319 clock for us? You know, we need enough iPads if 1942 01:31:47.359 --> 01:31:49.520 you're a Venetian where they have tablets and built into 1943 01:31:49.560 --> 01:31:51.159 the things, that's doable. 1944 01:31:51.239 --> 01:31:55.479 But I think it's I think players ultimately use a 1945 01:31:55.479 --> 01:31:59.600 fair amount of their time extensions throughout a tournament. I 1946 01:31:59.680 --> 01:32:02.600 just don't think we're getting as close to zero as 1947 01:32:03.880 --> 01:32:07.680 we might want to be. Yeah, like people like fully 1948 01:32:07.720 --> 01:32:10.520 running out of them, like when you run out of 1949 01:32:10.520 --> 01:32:14.439 timeouts and a sporting events just out of timeouts. Yeah, 1950 01:32:14.479 --> 01:32:17.520 but that's what I'm saying. But like it's it's very 1951 01:32:17.560 --> 01:32:20.359 like you have to like really manage it because you 1952 01:32:20.520 --> 01:32:22.479 only get like three and a half for the NFL, 1953 01:32:22.560 --> 01:32:25.920 for example. But I'm saying, like, you get huh is. 1954 01:32:25.920 --> 01:32:27.359 It you get three and a half timeouts? Is that 1955 01:32:27.359 --> 01:32:28.119 what you just said? 1956 01:32:28.279 --> 01:32:30.560 No, I said three and a half three in a half? 1957 01:32:30.680 --> 01:32:31.880 Oh, I think I said three and a half. 1958 01:32:31.920 --> 01:32:33.880 And I'm like, I don't know what you get TV 1959 01:32:34.000 --> 01:32:36.159 time out and then non TV time aut Yes, you 1960 01:32:36.199 --> 01:32:37.600 have to manage it. That's part of the strategy, just 1961 01:32:37.640 --> 01:32:39.079 like you have to manage your chips. I think that's 1962 01:32:39.159 --> 01:32:41.239 part of the evolution of Parker. I don't think there's 1963 01:32:41.239 --> 01:32:42.199 anything wrong with that at all. 1964 01:32:42.760 --> 01:32:44.720 Yeah, But what I'm saying is that if if people 1965 01:32:44.760 --> 01:32:49.560 aren't using them as often, and if people aren't getting 1966 01:32:50.880 --> 01:32:54.560 aren't risking getting close to zero, doesn't that mean that 1967 01:32:54.600 --> 01:32:56.520 we're giving them too much time to begin with? 1968 01:32:57.079 --> 01:33:00.239 Sure, and time extentis should be adjusted according to the 1969 01:33:00.319 --> 01:33:02.119 event and the buying and the length of the event, 1970 01:33:02.279 --> 01:33:04.920 just like we have different amount of time extensions as 1971 01:33:04.960 --> 01:33:08.479 the buying's increase, right, and depending on our event, like 1972 01:33:08.479 --> 01:33:10.000 to say, the three hundred k super higher all the 1973 01:33:10.000 --> 01:33:12.079 ball you get more the next day and then you 1974 01:33:12.119 --> 01:33:13.119 get more at the final table. 1975 01:33:13.760 --> 01:33:16.239 I feel like your first action could probably be ten seconds, 1976 01:33:16.520 --> 01:33:17.359 they could probably be five. 1977 01:33:17.960 --> 01:33:21.680 Then we're now adding a logistics aspect where okay, dealers 1978 01:33:21.680 --> 01:33:24.159 that have been trained, you know with twenty or thirty 1979 01:33:24.239 --> 01:33:25.000 or thirty thirty. 1980 01:33:25.319 --> 01:33:27.640 Yeah, I mean back to your point of you you 1981 01:33:27.720 --> 01:33:29.399 need the different type of clock. 1982 01:33:29.720 --> 01:33:32.039 Yeah, you need to educate the players and the staffing. 1983 01:33:32.079 --> 01:33:33.600 So there's a lot to it. And I yeah, I 1984 01:33:33.640 --> 01:33:35.760 think we're going to agree with a lot of these things. 1985 01:33:36.159 --> 01:33:38.199 I feel like we should be developing that sort of clock. 1986 01:33:38.399 --> 01:33:39.439 I think about it a lot. 1987 01:33:39.520 --> 01:33:42.520 And I because we have a very controlled space at 1988 01:33:42.520 --> 01:33:44.159 the end of the day, Like we we're in the 1989 01:33:44.239 --> 01:33:49.680 Propago studio right now, and you know there's a maximum 1990 01:33:49.840 --> 01:33:53.399 sixteen tables in here at an absolute maximum. It might 1991 01:33:53.399 --> 01:33:55.159 not even be that many, might be fifteen, I don't know, 1992 01:33:55.199 --> 01:34:00.840 but whatever. But because it's so controlled, like I feel like, 1993 01:34:01.039 --> 01:34:03.279 you know, it's it's it's either going to be us 1994 01:34:03.359 --> 01:34:04.199 or it's going to be Triton. 1995 01:34:05.119 --> 01:34:06.239 Yeah, yeah, it's right. 1996 01:34:06.520 --> 01:34:08.399 I mean maybe it's ws AP as it relates to 1997 01:34:08.399 --> 01:34:10.600 like WSP Paradise, but like I don't think you can 1998 01:34:10.600 --> 01:34:12.239 just develop something for like was be ma an event 1999 01:34:12.279 --> 01:34:13.159 from day one, A like that. 2000 01:34:13.079 --> 01:34:14.079 Would just because's a way to do it. 2001 01:34:14.079 --> 01:34:16.479 Everyone needs basically like some version of an iPad, but 2002 01:34:16.520 --> 01:34:18.720 then you need to put on the table, needs to 2003 01:34:18.760 --> 01:34:21.560 plug in controlled by the d LA. Like there's a 2004 01:34:21.560 --> 01:34:23.359 lot to it, and I think it's going to take. 2005 01:34:23.880 --> 01:34:25.720 I think we're a couple of years away from figuring 2006 01:34:25.720 --> 01:34:29.239 it all out. You know it will get someone will 2007 01:34:30.079 --> 01:34:30.600 agree with. 2008 01:34:30.560 --> 01:34:32.399 You, I agree with you, and this I was thinking 2009 01:34:32.399 --> 01:34:37.000 about this maybe a week ago in that I was 2010 01:34:37.000 --> 01:34:40.800 actually watching an old episode the first season of the 2011 01:34:40.920 --> 01:34:43.119 National Heads of Poker Championship, which you put on Poker 2012 01:34:43.119 --> 01:34:45.720 Go Yeah, which is now available on Poker It's also 2013 01:34:45.760 --> 01:34:49.279 on YouTube. But Henry Ornstein was in that first episode 2014 01:34:49.319 --> 01:34:52.039 or first seas step right, and he obviously invented the 2015 01:34:52.039 --> 01:34:54.279 whole card cam and all that sort of stuff. And like, 2016 01:34:54.880 --> 01:34:56.960 I was trying to think about how that came about, 2017 01:34:57.560 --> 01:34:59.560 and I don't really know exactly, but what I'm thinking 2018 01:34:59.560 --> 01:35:02.560 of is probably at some point there was a conversation 2019 01:35:02.720 --> 01:35:06.319 like how do we show these cards? Yeah, and I'm 2020 01:35:06.319 --> 01:35:08.239 sure they might. I don't know how long it took 2021 01:35:08.279 --> 01:35:10.880 from that like thought or conversation to when it was 2022 01:35:10.920 --> 01:35:14.800 actually developed, but I'm sure there was plenty of ideas 2023 01:35:14.840 --> 01:35:16.760 and brainstorming thrown around, just kind of like. 2024 01:35:16.760 --> 01:35:19.119 Everyone simple, it's like, oh, just put a camera that. Okay, 2025 01:35:19.239 --> 01:35:19.920 let's maybe. 2026 01:35:19.720 --> 01:35:22.439 Listen it was maybe it was maybe it was just 2027 01:35:22.560 --> 01:35:23.760 that simple, right. 2028 01:35:24.560 --> 01:35:26.840 You kind of simplify a chess clock. Okay. 2029 01:35:26.880 --> 01:35:30.279 What I'm what I'm getting at is that I think 2030 01:35:30.439 --> 01:35:34.279 that when my result of this thought process that I 2031 01:35:34.319 --> 01:35:36.880 was having is when we get to that point where 2032 01:35:36.880 --> 01:35:41.000 there is the poker's version of a chess clock, I 2033 01:35:41.039 --> 01:35:44.279 think there's a great, fairly reasonable potential that we're going 2034 01:35:44.319 --> 01:35:47.199 to be like, oh, why didn't we think of that? 2035 01:35:47.439 --> 01:35:50.000 Like it was so easy and somebody did it, and 2036 01:35:50.039 --> 01:35:51.479 we were all going to be like why didn't we 2037 01:35:51.520 --> 01:35:53.079 think of just doing it like that? I feel like 2038 01:35:53.119 --> 01:35:54.560 that's I feel like that's going to be a thing. 2039 01:35:55.000 --> 01:35:58.399 I've thought about it a lot more than probably I 2040 01:35:58.439 --> 01:35:59.520 would be in the top. 2041 01:35:59.359 --> 01:36:02.439 Five percent of I'm sure you are, and it's just. 2042 01:36:02.359 --> 01:36:06.399 Like I just really can't like get my head around 2043 01:36:06.479 --> 01:36:09.119 how to you know, Like I said, I think it's 2044 01:36:09.239 --> 01:36:12.079 I think it's buying a bunch of phones that are 2045 01:36:12.079 --> 01:36:14.840 like locked to the player, and that's like locked you know, 2046 01:36:14.960 --> 01:36:17.760 somehow bluetooth to an iPad. That's the only way I 2047 01:36:17.760 --> 01:36:20.439 can I just I'm not a technology like I wouldn't 2048 01:36:20.439 --> 01:36:22.359 know how to code that. So we need to find 2049 01:36:22.359 --> 01:36:23.119 someone to code that. 2050 01:36:24.520 --> 01:36:26.079 Yeah, but I think you could easily find someone to 2051 01:36:26.079 --> 01:36:27.920 code that. I bet you. I bet you could figure 2052 01:36:27.960 --> 01:36:31.520 it out using AI programs if you spend. 2053 01:36:32.439 --> 01:36:36.560 Spend enough time on it, like the PGT really kicks in, 2054 01:36:37.079 --> 01:36:38.399 maybe I can figure it out with it. 2055 01:36:38.720 --> 01:36:41.119 But yeah, it's it's so someone. 2056 01:36:41.119 --> 01:36:43.399 Like I just think at some point someone's going to 2057 01:36:43.439 --> 01:36:46.199 be like what, like they're gonna do it. It's gonna 2058 01:36:46.199 --> 01:36:48.079 get done. I think for sure it's gonna get done, 2059 01:36:48.159 --> 01:36:49.840 just a matter of time when it gets done, and 2060 01:36:49.880 --> 01:36:52.199 I think a lot of us are going to be like, oh, 2061 01:36:53.279 --> 01:36:57.399 it wasn't that hard, Like we not that it's super easy, right, 2062 01:36:57.920 --> 01:36:59.319 like you know, cutting a hole in a thing, put 2063 01:36:59.399 --> 01:37:02.359 a camera right like, but it's it's probably not gonna 2064 01:37:02.359 --> 01:37:05.000 be as hard as we think, and we're gonna be like, oh, 2065 01:37:05.039 --> 01:37:07.239 we could have thought of that or oh prog. 2066 01:37:08.000 --> 01:37:09.439 I was like, oh, that's pretty easy. 2067 01:37:09.600 --> 01:37:11.880 Yeah, yeah, that's that's what I think. There's more like 2068 01:37:12.000 --> 01:37:14.520 that's my thought of how it's going to result. 2069 01:37:14.279 --> 01:37:16.039 But there's just so there's so much more to it 2070 01:37:16.119 --> 01:37:18.399 underneath that you know we wouldn't be privy to. 2071 01:37:18.960 --> 01:37:22.760 I mean sure, yeah, but I also feel like, oh, like, oh, 2072 01:37:22.800 --> 01:37:24.680 we could have we could have done that. 2073 01:37:25.039 --> 01:37:26.560 I'm sure there's a lot of smart people trying to 2074 01:37:26.560 --> 01:37:27.039 figure this out. 2075 01:37:27.079 --> 01:37:29.920 I'm sure try and I'm sure gg have've all tried 2076 01:37:29.920 --> 01:37:32.520 to figure this out. But yeah, I agree with you 2077 01:37:32.640 --> 01:37:35.439 in our space with you know, the max fourteen fifteen tables, 2078 01:37:35.800 --> 01:37:37.079 we should we should have more. 2079 01:37:37.439 --> 01:37:39.560 I mean, could it also be like the chest clock 2080 01:37:39.640 --> 01:37:44.520 is where you literally have to hit a button's. 2081 01:37:42.680 --> 01:37:44.800 A timing thing. Then that's like I could just take 2082 01:37:44.840 --> 01:37:47.039 one extra second to press it. I can press it earlier, 2083 01:37:47.039 --> 01:37:51.439 but it's your own button. Yeah, but like it's my clock, 2084 01:37:51.479 --> 01:37:54.479 so it's always like okay, he's action finishes, So now 2085 01:37:54.520 --> 01:37:55.640 I'm supposed to press mine. 2086 01:37:56.760 --> 01:37:59.039 You don't press I press. 2087 01:37:59.039 --> 01:38:01.520 So that But okay, So then we need seven shot 2088 01:38:01.560 --> 01:38:03.720 clocks all connect, seven chess clocks all connected. 2089 01:38:03.880 --> 01:38:05.319 What happens when the table breaks? 2090 01:38:05.840 --> 01:38:08.199 I mean, I don't know, like I'm not putting much 2091 01:38:08.239 --> 01:38:10.000 thought into this, but I'm saying like it's gonna be 2092 01:38:10.039 --> 01:38:10.960 something that that's like you. 2093 01:38:10.960 --> 01:38:13.680 Need the chess clock that like clips in to like 2094 01:38:14.199 --> 01:38:16.079 the ethernet port on the tables, So now we have 2095 01:38:16.119 --> 01:38:17.560 to redesign the tables for it to work. 2096 01:38:18.079 --> 01:38:20.680 Ye what of all the tables? I personally also think 2097 01:38:20.680 --> 01:38:24.119 that poker tables are due for like a redesign in 2098 01:38:24.159 --> 01:38:26.600 a lot of ways. Like I feel like there's a 2099 01:38:26.760 --> 01:38:30.479 like the simplest thing is tournament tables. I have no 2100 01:38:30.520 --> 01:38:32.439 idea why they have that giant ass rack in the 2101 01:38:32.439 --> 01:38:33.960 middle of them. No, I'm not saying you don't need 2102 01:38:33.960 --> 01:38:35.920 a rack because there are color up tips and whatever, 2103 01:38:36.039 --> 01:38:37.720 but I feel like that rack could probably be a 2104 01:38:37.720 --> 01:38:39.800 third of the size. And then how other part of 2105 01:38:39.840 --> 01:38:42.199 it is for like the tablet. Why is the tablet 2106 01:38:42.199 --> 01:38:44.079 just got to sit over here and all of the 2107 01:38:44.159 --> 01:38:46.399 nine seed and like we know whatever, Like some players 2108 01:38:46.399 --> 01:38:48.039 are like can you put the can you put the 2109 01:38:48.039 --> 01:38:50.199 tablet in the middle of the table, Like no, that's 2110 01:38:50.199 --> 01:38:52.039 what the flop goes, okay, Like you. 2111 01:38:52.000 --> 01:38:55.680 Know WPA definitely Like there's like you know, obviously when 2112 01:38:55.680 --> 01:38:57.760 you saw a tournament, there's nine chip stacks in the well, 2113 01:38:58.119 --> 01:39:01.119 but then it'll make six of them normally, ask straight away. 2114 01:39:01.319 --> 01:39:02.279 So yes, I would. 2115 01:39:02.119 --> 01:39:04.279 Say, but also if you stack them, it only takes 2116 01:39:04.399 --> 01:39:05.479 up like three two. 2117 01:39:05.760 --> 01:39:09.479 Usual the well could definitely be half shaped in half 2118 01:39:09.479 --> 01:39:12.159 and put the iPad in there, but like something like that. 2119 01:39:11.760 --> 01:39:14.920 But that's like that's I mean, I know it's not here, 2120 01:39:15.560 --> 01:39:18.039 but like that's around the country and around the world. 2121 01:39:18.239 --> 01:39:19.479 That's how your tables. 2122 01:39:19.119 --> 01:39:20.039 Are only tournaments. 2123 01:39:20.079 --> 01:39:22.159 What I'm saying, Venetian, you need to have a multi 2124 01:39:22.159 --> 01:39:24.039 purpose rack for both cash hips. 2125 01:39:24.439 --> 01:39:27.720 You could have a multipurpose rack for sure. I mean 2126 01:39:27.760 --> 01:39:29.640 I would also say that in a lot of cash 2127 01:39:29.680 --> 01:39:33.000 games you might not need all the chips that are 2128 01:39:33.039 --> 01:39:35.039 in there. I mean they put a lot of chipe, 2129 01:39:35.960 --> 01:39:37.479 like a lot of and I played like a one 2130 01:39:37.439 --> 01:39:39.439 to three game. They have like you know, twenty k 2131 01:39:39.520 --> 01:39:42.520 in the rackets, like you know. It's anyway, we've been 2132 01:39:42.560 --> 01:39:44.600 all over the place for the last fifteen twenty minutes 2133 01:39:44.680 --> 01:39:46.159 or so. It's good to be back. 2134 01:39:46.239 --> 01:39:47.479 It is. It's going to be back next week. 2135 01:39:48.520 --> 01:39:50.640 Yeah, yeah, I really do want to, you know, once 2136 01:39:50.680 --> 01:39:51.840 we get started, stick to. 2137 01:39:51.760 --> 01:39:53.840 Every touch on this thing such on this bay. 2138 01:39:54.159 --> 01:39:56.239 Yeah, we're going to talk about the national heads of 2139 01:39:56.279 --> 01:39:59.199 Poker check. We will not tell you who won. It 2140 01:39:59.279 --> 01:40:02.159 has been filmed It is going to post edit and 2141 01:40:02.199 --> 01:40:04.920 it will be airing on Peacock followed by Poker Girl 2142 01:40:05.279 --> 01:40:08.760 and the Poker Stars channels. Details on all the broadcasts 2143 01:40:08.760 --> 01:40:12.399 and streaming releases are still TBD as they work out 2144 01:40:12.399 --> 01:40:14.119 through all the footage and all that sort of stuff, 2145 01:40:14.239 --> 01:40:15.920 you know, But we can't talk about the draw. We 2146 01:40:15.920 --> 01:40:18.119 can talk about the players that were invited. 2147 01:40:18.560 --> 01:40:22.119 About a round sixty four, like who played who? Right, Well, yeah, 2148 01:40:22.159 --> 01:40:23.039 that's the draw. 2149 01:40:23.399 --> 01:40:25.159 The draw. I mean, we're not gonna we can't reveal 2150 01:40:25.479 --> 01:40:28.000 any of the play of course. Yeah, I feel like 2151 01:40:28.039 --> 01:40:29.840 I've already forgotten it by out now, but it is 2152 01:40:29.840 --> 01:40:34.079 what it is. But along these lines, I would, I 2153 01:40:34.079 --> 01:40:37.279 don't know, I would highly encourage you guys to go 2154 01:40:37.359 --> 01:40:40.119 watch these past episodes. I mean they are freaking gold. 2155 01:40:40.720 --> 01:40:42.800 I put a new one on every single day. It's 2156 01:40:42.920 --> 01:40:45.479 kind of as background noise or whatever, and then I like, 2157 01:40:45.760 --> 01:40:47.760 I'll catch myself paying attention to it. I mean, just 2158 01:40:48.520 --> 01:40:52.159 what people are wearing, how they're playing, the logos on 2159 01:40:52.199 --> 01:40:56.560 the felt, the design of the sets, you know, the music, 2160 01:40:56.840 --> 01:41:01.439 the music music, the segments, the the number of chips, 2161 01:41:01.479 --> 01:41:05.439 like actual chips they have like six colors, twenty five stacks. 2162 01:41:05.479 --> 01:41:07.760 I mean, the whole thing is it is. It is 2163 01:41:07.960 --> 01:41:11.600 peak poker nostalgia is what it is. So if you 2164 01:41:11.680 --> 01:41:13.920 love that sort of stuff, you can find the old 2165 01:41:14.359 --> 01:41:18.319 National Heads Up Poker Championship episodes in full seasons on 2166 01:41:18.399 --> 01:41:20.479 Poker Girl if you're a Poker Grow subscriber. They're also 2167 01:41:20.520 --> 01:41:24.000 being released on YouTube, but on YouTube they're a bit 2168 01:41:24.039 --> 01:41:26.000 delayed and it's only one episode per day and all 2169 01:41:26.000 --> 01:41:27.319 that sort of stuff. But if you want to go 2170 01:41:27.479 --> 01:41:28.800 more of the binge rout and if you are a 2171 01:41:28.840 --> 01:41:31.199 poker gro subscriber, I would highly encourage you guys to 2172 01:41:31.239 --> 01:41:33.800 go check that out on poker Go. All right, we've 2173 01:41:33.800 --> 01:41:36.960 been doing this for way, way, way too long today, 2174 01:41:36.960 --> 01:41:39.000 so let's get out of here for Tim Duckworth. My 2175 01:41:39.119 --> 01:41:41.079 name is Donnie Peters, and we'll talk to you guys 2176 01:41:41.279 --> 01:41:46.359 next time you have Jai