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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, Welcome back to a new episode of the

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Poker Go Podcast. My name is Donnie Peters. His name

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is Tim Duckworth. It's been a month. Yeah, it has

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been a month. Ye. I don't think it's been fully

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a month. So, I mean, I know we promised pretty

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much going back to weekly cadence, but you know, needed

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some rest and relaxation slash laziness slash not laziness because

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we're gotten the way. But we're back. We are back.

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We are in the Poker gro studio right now. We

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also have a new table. Yeah, this was taken from

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the set of the National Heads of Poker Championship. I

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think we got to get a new felt or something.

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You put some stuff on it. I feel like this

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is going to be our podcast table now. We have upgraded.

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We have upgraded, so it's a little shaky, okay, but

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you know we'll make it work. Of course for you guys.

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It is Thursday, August fourteenth. Got to do the time.

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It's one. We're gonna take it back in time a

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little bit. We're gonna wrap up SOMEBSIP stuff. Not gonna

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be talking about it too much, but there are some

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results that we didn't hit on that. I just want

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to kind of mention, you know, put a bow on that,

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and then we're gonna lead into the play Player of

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the Year. There were some, uh what's some debate around

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the WAP Player of the Year that I kind of

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want to get Tim's thoughts on. Of course I'll try

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and give mine as well. Just some general w SIPPY stats.

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Coming off of that, we're gonna wrap up twenty five

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K Fantasy. We did not win wamp wamp but whatever,

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not a big deal. It is what it is. Uh,

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the PGT leader board, we got to hit on that.

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We're coming off a big season, a lot of sp

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events qualified. Of course there was the Aria high Roller

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events that played a big part in it as well.

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So we'll touch on where the pg leaderboard stands because

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we are about two two and a half weeks out

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from the PGT coming back. September is a massive, shout out,

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massive month for the PGG, so we're going to talk

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about that. I want to hit on the seminal hard

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Rock pokeerre Open two reasons. One a very cool winner

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and then two you and I are going to debate

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this ridiculous three card ruling situation. I absolutely cannot wait

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to debate this silliness with you. But yeah, that's what

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we're going to hit on today. Of course, if you

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flopping sets left, right and center. I'm not joking. It's incredible.

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that looks like me. Okay, yeah, I'm SI way in

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for mine. Yeah. Well, you got to get on that

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deal with the producer Rich. He's in charge of that.

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Get on that. All right, Let's slide into these long

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overdue do ws AP results that we need to touch on.

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First up, Chad Evesledge won the twenty five k horse

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He topped the field of one hundred and fifty entries

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to win eight hundred and eighty three thousand dollars, his

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fourth gold bracelet. This event had one hundred and twenty

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entries last year, so a nice big uptick from the

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year prior. Eas Sledge defeated Brian rast, Toby Lewis was third,

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Notcho Barbara fourth, Ryan Miller fifth, Phil Ivy sixth, John

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Hennigan seventh, and Chris hunikin Big Huny eighth place. In

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that event, Andrew astub Chenko finally got his gold bracelet.

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He finished second in the twenty five k earlier in

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the series. Here he wins the five K no ole

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him at hold him to close out his summer. An

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enormous summer for Andrew Ostupchenko. He got his first goal bracelet.

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This win here earned him six hundred and six thousand dollars.

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He topped a field of seven hundred and thirty five entries.

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I don't think there is an event that corresponds to

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last year so for this specific one, and I don't

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think there was a five K this late. I'm pretty

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sure there was seven thirty five entries, and I remember

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trying to look up if there was a you know,

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relating field size to see if this one went up

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or down, and I couldn't find one unless I'm just

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a total idiot, which could certainly be the case. Ostap

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Chenko won more than two million dollars at the twenty

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twenty five WSIP. I mentioned that he had that big

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score second place in the twenty five K that was

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more than a million dollars. He also went on to

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finish third in a Venetian event after this win for

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eighty five K.

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Speaker 2: There this event ninety nine.

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Speaker 3: Is a defending champion, Matthew Alasante. It was that like

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early in the series. Yeah, it's probably one of those

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ones that they moved around.

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Speaker 1: I really don't like when they moved them around.

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Speaker 3: You gotta put away you, uh where do you think

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they kind of fool best?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't.

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Speaker 2: Last year was event eighty seven, so it's failing.

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Speaker 1: So that's that's my fault. I'm the idiot. I mean

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I said I could have been the idiot. I'm the idiot,

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all right, So there's that. Now. Interesting note about Andrew

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Ostupchenko here. He was on his own team in twenty

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five K team Liaison, and his win here allowed them

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to finish in fifth place, which is in the money,

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so more money in astib Chenko's pocket. So austin Chenko

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first place, six hundred and six K, Brandon Wilson second place,

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four or four, David O. dB Baker shout out ODB

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two hundred and eighty three k for him Van van

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Merdino magas K. I probably butchered the living crap out

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of that one. I'm out of I'm out of rhythm,

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you know, I'm trying to figure these names out on

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the fly. Two hundred and one k for him, Joseph

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sob Or Sabie, also butchering that last name. One hundred

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and forty five K. Sam Lasquitz got sixth place. Pat

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Lyons World Famous pat Lyons got seventh place, and Marcos

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Scurl got eighth place. In that one, Lucas Zascodni wins

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the closer top in a field of four two hundred

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and ninety seven entries fifteen hundred dollars by and there

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he took home six hundred and forty eight thousand dollars.

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Richard Ali second, Lock Chan third, Thing Tran fourth, Adrian

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Tivodar fifth, Dylan Lamby kind of close to Dylan Lindy

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in terms of the spell. Yeah, I mean it might be,

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is it. Huh, It's not Dylan Lindy, Like I didn't

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like mistake that or something in auto correct or something.

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I'm just I'm just making sure it's been it's been

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almost four weeks so I'm trying to figure this out.

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Jimmy Settina seventh, Victor Cavallero eighth, and Tiwi II got

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ninth place. There, Mitchell Hinem, you, oh boy, right, my boy.

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If you guys remember this, A hole busted me in

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the WS event, his ace, Queen, my kings. I will

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never forget Mitchell Heinem. But congrats to you, sir. You

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went on to win the one K Super Turbo, topping

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the field of nineteen hundred and thirty five entries. I

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say it all in jest with the whole coming at you.

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But if I see you at the table and I

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have ase, Queen, I'm never fooled. Ever, I gotta repay it. Okay.

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He finished forty ninth in the main event after busting

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my ass cast for two hundred K. So he casts

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for two hundred K in the main event. Then he

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goes on to win this turbo for two hundred and

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thirty seven thousand, almost two hundred and thirty eight thousand, So

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pretty good week or so for Mitchell Heinem. Not off

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bitten second place, Kai Tanaka third place, Nevin Chang fourth,

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Jacob Parent fifth, Lucas Hafner sixth, Brettschaef for seventh, Paulina Loliger,

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she is a what's her poker bunnyy eighth place, Alex

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Duval ninth place. That all takes us too. The WSP

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Player of the Year which went two. My boy Sean Deep,

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Your boy Sean Deep his second time winning it. He

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won in twenty eighteen. He wins it in twenty twenty five.

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He joins Daniel Legrand who as the only two time

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winners of the WSP Player of the Year award. Of course,

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it has not been around forever. It was installed in

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two thousand and four. Nigraney won it in two thousand

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and four. He then won it in twenty thirteen. Deep

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got first in the one hundred k PO events for

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almost three million dollars. He got second in the fifteen

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hundred dollars RAS for eighty four K second you know

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one k Nolan hold him for one hundred and fifty four

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k second in an online event, which I think one

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online event counts one on my cash counts. And then

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third in the ten k PLO eight that was the

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one that Phil Sternheimer won. Sean Deep took home a

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three hundred and forty eight K There The question that

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everyone was debating is should Sean Deep have won? Benny

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Clauser won three bracelets, won them pretty early the series,

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all things considered, Michael Msrocky the Grinder won the fifty

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KPPC then won the WSP main event. There was a

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lot of debates.

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Speaker 3: I mean, what do you think it's undebatable because there's

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a scoring system. Everyone is aware of the scoring system

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heading into the World Series, and his results put him

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on top. Now we can't say that, hey, Benny didn't

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have a great World Series and Grinder didn't have a

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world's great World Series and all these other guys like

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Mark Gabrell and you know, we can the list goes on.

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But everyone was equal fording heading into the World Series

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with a scoring system that is send me public, right.

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You have to do some calculations and figure it out,

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but yeah, it's available just like ours is. So I

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don't think it's unfair at all. You can make an

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argument that, hey, should things be weighed differently, like does

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winning the fifty KPPC, winning the ten k main event

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and cashing I think thirteen times total?

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Speaker 2: Is that better than what he did?

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Speaker 3: Now that's going to be a personal opinion if people

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really think that's the case and they need to change

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the scoring. But he did everything within the parameters that

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were outlined heading into the World Series, so I don't

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think it's even debatable.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you, D one. Based on the scoring

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criteria as outlined ahead of time. Everyone knows this criteria

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going in. They know, you know, it's this many live cashes,

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it's one online cash that counts. It's you know, you

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can't just rack up eight thousand cases you have, it's capped,

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all that sort of stuff. So yeah, based on the

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scoring system, D one, he's the winner. I mean that

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that's just how it is. At one point, Benny Klauser

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had won three bracelets and wasn't even technically eligible to

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win Player of the Year because he didn't have enough cases. Yeah,

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he also have to be a minimum threshold five cashes, right,

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it's five or six.

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Speaker 2: One or the other.

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Speaker 1: But he would like I think, you know, it's like

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he had three cashes and three bracelet wins or whatever,

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and you know it wasn't technically eligible until he hit

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that cash threshold. So I find it interesting the Play

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of the Year because it seems like every year a

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good portion of the one percenters, the Deeps, the helm Use,

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the Negroan New's josh Aria, like all these guys, they

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always rant and rave about Player of the Year, and

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yet the scoring system probably needs work. I think it

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needs work. I don't know exactly how I would do it,

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but I think it does need some sort of fine tuning.

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So there's that. Also the fact that you don't really

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get anything. I mean, you get I think you obviously

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get a banner, and you get I think a ten

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k seat to the end.

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Speaker 3: Of a say, and you do get a trophy. Deep

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did show me his trophy? Yes, I mean it's not

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like a bracelet. It's literally just a trophy.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it may be cool. I make it a

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bracelet to be honest.

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Speaker 1: Uh No, I don't think so. No, but I think

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you should. I think with as it's pretty clear that

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all these players, and they're they're pretty top tier players,

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carry crap ton about this. Yeah, And I would say

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that the WSOPE cares enough because they obviously want to

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celebrate it by putting a banner. The only other people

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that get banners are THESTREMIINU event winners, right, So I

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just think they need to They need to add more

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to this and maybe now we get that under the

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GG poker umbrella right where they dedicate some funds to it.

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They make it more of a leaderboard thing. They make

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the tracking better and more out there and more efficient

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where it's more readily available instead of people trying to

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figure it out on the fly, like where do I

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have to cash? What are the points? What's this? What's that?

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Speaker 3: You know, there's no reason why with the new app

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we can't have you know, basically live tracking. You know,

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we can have a live leadable the app, you know,

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and maybe that's coming. Maybe they didn't want to just

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be like have too many things with the app, you know,

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with its first year at the World Series here in

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Vegas at least, But that I think is good. I

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think you know, WSP itself, whether it's through their social

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media or the editorial website, needs more updates on it,

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you know, ideally daily updates plus so like lots of

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social posts. You know, this person just finished fifth, he

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now moves into second or something. You can make it

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a storyline yourself. If you just let it live, it's

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gonna be much harder to really generate that interest.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there should be a tab within the app. Yeah,

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and you can go and it has that leaderboard and

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like you said, it's it's much more lives. And as

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soon as somebody busts out and you know, it goes

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into the verification because when you bust out in the app,

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it does say like need to verify whatever. It says

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for a second until it gets very It takes a

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few minutes, it gets verified whatever, then it's in there.

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I mean, once that happens, it should feed through the points.

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Speaker 3: But it also should be in the payouts, you know,

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like on the WSP website when they used to have

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the live updates, they used to have the payout and

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have to have the points you would get. There's no

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reason why that couldn't be. Serhaps so when people are looking,

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because that's you know, obviously house players, but viewers and fans,

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they're looking although, what's this, what's this third column here?

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What's this points? And then you start like, you know,

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digging deep kind of like what we do with ours.

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We know, we have our payouts, we have the prizes,

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and we have the PGT points and you know, it

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does generate that interest. My one thought on Player of

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the Year outside of all this, and you know, the

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changing the points formula is a big Pandora's box. I

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don't know if we want to get into because this

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is so many points for them.

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Speaker 2: Was what's correct?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 3: How should they overvalue things? But I think it needs

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one more online result. You have thirty three bracelet of

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online bracelet events and and you have not you have

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one hundred live bracelet events, right, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean clearly they want to live.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but like it's not enough of it. I don't

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think it's the right percentage. I'm not saying it needs

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to be like, like, you know, an equal percentage. I

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think one more online cash would be kind of fair.

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So it's eight and two. I think that's kind of

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the best way because I think you need to still

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provide value to.

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Speaker 2: Online or just have an online leader work.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it is tricky. It's tricky. Yeah,

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I don't I don't exactly. I don't exactly know what

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to do. You know, I would have to think about

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a little bit more. I personally, I lean that online

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should count in full, like you should be able to

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get thirty three cashes from online, you know, or whatever.

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Just and my reasoning is that it has never been

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told to us that online bracelets are not equal to

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live bracelets. I mean, I know people joke out there

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that they say this is a fake bracelet. This isn't

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a fake bracelet, like you know whatever. But as far

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as WSP's concerned, a bracelet is a bracelet. It doesn't

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matter if you win it in fucking Antarctica or if

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you win it in Las Vegas at the Horseshoe. A

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bracelet is a bracelet, Okay, So if a bracelet is

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a bracelet, then aren't all things equal. Isn't an online

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event a one K plo online event the same as

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one K at the series, It's the same thing. Brace

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is a bracelet, And some some might argue I think

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there's a fair argument that online is harder to win

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generally speaking at I mean, I don't I don't know

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exactly how it compares for the summer, because I think

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everything gets a little bit softer in the summer, But

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generally speaking, online has always been thought to be harder

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than live across all across everywhere, But then you have.

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Speaker 2: To factor in field sizes and stuff.

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Speaker 1: I know, but I'm saying, but still everywhere like it,

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online is considered to be harder than live, right, you

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know they say like, yeah, one hundred dollars tournament online

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is like a one k live. So if you went

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a one k online or deep got second in that

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online event, what was the buy in five hundred? So

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what's that three k live? You know? It's like so

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I don't know. I just I'm kind of I don't

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kind of bouncing all over the place with this, but yeah,

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I just generally think that first and foremost, I think

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just like getting it in the app and making it

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a little bit more front and center, and fixing the

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efficiency aspect of the points. It should be the priority.

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Right If you want to keep the criteria and the

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scoring the same, I'm fine with that. And honestly, everyone

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knows going in Like Phil Helmuth had, you know, a

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tweet he kind of went at Deep like the whole thing,

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and it's like you knew going into the summer. Everyone

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knows going into summer, these are the points. This is

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what counts. There's this many live events account, there's this

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many online events account. This is how it is. Everyone

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knows that. So what's the big deal. If that's how

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it is, then adjust your schedule and your play accordingly,

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which I think is probably Deep's biggest advantage. He understands

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the how in terms of winning Player of the Year

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better than everyone, and he caters his schedule and his

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play to achieving player of the year, like that's his

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goal now along the way. That can come with money,

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that can come with cashes, that can come with bracelets,

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et cetera. But he's ultimately trying to win Player of

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the Year. So he's doing whatever it takes to win

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Player of the Year. Other people are not necessarily out

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like that. Like I don't think Benny Glasser is out

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to win Player of the Year like he's out to

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I think win bracelets. And this is just me guessing,

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but I think he's out to win bracelets and then

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if Player of the Year comes with it, great, whereas

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Sean Deep is almost the other way. I'm out to

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win Player of the Year and stamp my you know,

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put my stamp on HI or history that way, winning

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multiple SB Player of the Year titles and if you know, yes,

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a natural side effect of that is you're probably gonna

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win bracelets. But there's also a world where like Deep

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cat has ten second places and he's able to win

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Player of the year and he doesn't win a bracelet

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a given year, right, So I just think that everyone can.

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You can kind of cater what you want to go

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after every single summer and and deep clearly goes after

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Player of the Year in my opinion, And you know,

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so don't complain about it when you have the option

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to do that yourself.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it shows that how he nearly won two

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bracelets while the main event Day one's were going because

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he won the payloa and then he finished second. He

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won two bracelets and really stamped his Player of the

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Year while Day one of the main event was still going.

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So yeah, he does everything Tyler towards Player of the Year.

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That's what he cares about. And I don't think we

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can really knock anything to do, you know with this

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years when.

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Speaker 1: On my bone to pick is with the way that

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it's kind of pushed out and marketed after the fact,

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Like the press really said that he cashed eighteen live

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bracelet events, six online bracelet events, reached five file tables,

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one of seventh career bace of blah blah blah. But

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all of that doesn't count towards Player of the Year. Sure,

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but it's still what he did though, I understand, but

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I feel like I feel like it should be outlined,

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like what he did to achieve Player of the Year,

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because in a way, I feel like if you just

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kind of skim things and no one reads things in full,

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everyone skims, ye, right, if you skim, And the biggest

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skim is along these lines. If you just look at

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the social media posts that they did, they had an

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image of Sean Deep and they put on that image, right,

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like the achievements that he had, which are twenty four cashes,

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five final tables, one bracelet, So you would you might

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think if you just saw this, if you just saw that,

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and on social media, and we know how people scroll

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these days, they have an intention span of a mesquite

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of a gnat, like it's just they're all over the place.

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So you see that, you say, oh, like he cashed

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twenty four times, he racked up cashes, he made five

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pound tables, whatever, but not all that stuff counted.

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Speaker 2: So it's incorrect as well.

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Speaker 1: Well, what I don't care if it's incorrect or not.

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Like I'm just saying, like, we put the caps on things.

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The dove has to be put the caps on things.

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But then they're celebrating the thing in.

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Speaker 2: Full, I don't have so much.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's like a disconnect. Yeah, I think

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you should just celebrate it in the context of what

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the criteria is, because then it then it makes it

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I think a little bit more connected to like this

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is how you win Player of the Year. Yeah, that's

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my slight bone to pick there, but whatever. I think

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the big thing is, you got to get in the app.

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You got to get that. You got to get this

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stuff updated quickly so people can sweat like right away,

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you know. I think that would be certainly a lot

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of fun to haven't And I would guess because of

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what we saw the first year of the app and

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how there was a lot of updates along the way

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and things were changing and getting better. You know, it

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was great out of the gate, and then it got

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better throughout. I think we'll see a lot more improvements

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even still for for next year in years to come,

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and I think that this is probably one of them.

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All right, next topic, biggest winners. I put winners in

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quotes on our rundown because you can kind of think

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of this, how you want I put down a bunch

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maybe you can add to to things. But these are

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biggest quote unquote winners not named Michael the Grinder, miss Rocky.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: And my reasoning is that I think I don't know

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who said it, Yeah, kind of like I don't. I don't.

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I don't remember who said it, and it might have

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actually been Shawnee, but I can't remember exactly. So forgive

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me if you're out there and I'm butchering this. But

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somebody said, like shawnde one w S Player of the Year,

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but the twenty twenty five divis a p will be

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remembered for Michael mcrocky. Yeah, like you know, so what

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So that's what I mean, Like the quote unquote winners,

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the storylines, like when we think back on you know,

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let's say twenty years from now, say remember that, remember

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the year when Michael mcrocky did this, right, and then

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and then you're gonna say, like that was also the

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year that this happened. And that's the list that I'm

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trying to like, also the year that Benny Glasser won

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three bracelets, you know, like that sort of stuff, right,

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Like that's what we're gonna get at here. My kind

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of notes that I put down here. Sina Okamoto won

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the WSP Ladies Championship after finishing first the year before,

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so she goes back to back and then the year

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before that finishes second. Like that's gonna be something We're

471
00:23:26,559 --> 00:23:30,519
gonna remember the time Sheina Oka Goodo went second first first,

472
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,039
You remember that, like that shit was crazy? Remember the

473
00:23:34,079 --> 00:23:36,960
time when Leo Marguetz finished seventh in the WSB main

474
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,680
event for one point five million buck's a thirty year trend.

475
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,279
There no woman at the at the final table. Seth

476
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,240
Davies won his first bracelet. You know, I think this

477
00:23:47,279 --> 00:23:50,359
one is me using a little bit of editorial license

478
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,880
because it's kind of in the context of how good

479
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:54,599
Seth Davies has been the past two year and a

480
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,079
half to two years. He's won everything under the sun.

481
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,400
He's probably won twenty million dollars in the past two

482
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,720
years or something ridiculous. So, you know, just that cherry

483
00:24:02,759 --> 00:24:04,599
on the top of his first bracelet, and the fact

484
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,319
that it came in the two hundred fifty k Super

485
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,880
high Roller, which is an event that he you know,

486
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,039
would probably want to win more so than anything else.

487
00:24:11,279 --> 00:24:13,000
I mean obviously that ever main event, but you know,

488
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,519
we always put that to the side. Martin Cabrel summer.

489
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,279
I mean, we're certainly going to remember that summer, all

490
00:24:19,319 --> 00:24:23,240
the antics, the colorful stuff, you know. Whatever he wins

491
00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:26,599
the mini main event, he's challenging for WSB Player of

492
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,039
the Year throughout, like he's on the rail when Sean

493
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,839
Deep was making those runs, like, you know, having like

494
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,519
the banter and the competitiveness with Deep the whole time.

495
00:24:35,279 --> 00:24:38,079
I personally feel like he won over a ton of fans.

496
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,400
I think I feel like last year he was clearly

497
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,039
a villain last summer, two summers ago, whatever that was,

498
00:24:43,039 --> 00:24:45,480
but the whole fake card marking and you know, all

499
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,960
that sort of stuff. But this year, I feel like

500
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,680
he certainly won over the fans. Andrew Ostupchenko, we already

501
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,640
talked about him, but this one I think is certainly

502
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,000
going to get overlooked had that second in the twenty

503
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,640
five K, won the bracelet in the five K, Like

504
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,240
I feel like this is I personally have always felt

505
00:25:02,279 --> 00:25:05,319
Andrew ossup Chenko was a very very good player, and

506
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,359
he's known within the poker circle. But I feel like

507
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,079
this is one of those summers where you win a

508
00:25:10,079 --> 00:25:12,480
boatload of money, you know, more than two million dollars

509
00:25:12,759 --> 00:25:15,480
and it's gonna be like, yeah, that was his his breakout.

510
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,720
Like that was when people started to really recognize andre Osupchenko.

511
00:25:19,319 --> 00:25:23,480
Alex Foxen fourteen cashes for more than four million dollars,

512
00:25:23,519 --> 00:25:25,319
I mean every day, this guy was just going deep.

513
00:25:25,559 --> 00:25:28,720
Blajerry Off, I mean you want to talk about breakout, Yeah,

514
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,880
players from the WSP, this guy was. No one knew

515
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,079
that this guy was. I mean maybe Patrick Landard knew

516
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,720
who this guy was. Other than that blajerry Off. He

517
00:25:36,799 --> 00:25:39,119
wins the twenty five K six Max. Then he wins

518
00:25:39,319 --> 00:25:42,319
the fifteen hundred dollars Stud High Low. So two bracelets

519
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,480
for bla Jerry Off out of nowhere, out of absolutely nowhere,

520
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,839
which is very cool. So shout out to blag breakout WSIP.

521
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,839
Hopefully we see you win embracelets for years to come.

522
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:56,200
Brian Rast another incredible year for Brian Rass won the

523
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,160
ten k ras he got second the twenty five k

524
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,240
horse that's the one we just talked about that had

525
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,759
east Sledge one and he had fourteen cashes overall. Nick

526
00:26:03,799 --> 00:26:06,680
Schulman he won the ten k Nolan MEDUSA seven and

527
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,680
then he gets inducted into the Poker Hall of Fame.

528
00:26:09,079 --> 00:26:11,599
I mean pretty cool summer for Nick Schulman. Joo Vieira

529
00:26:12,279 --> 00:26:15,599
won the Hunter, K got a fourth and a fifth

530
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,920
as well. David Odb Baker shout out to odb first

531
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,839
in the Senior's high Roller for six hundred and forty

532
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,559
six K almost wins another bracelet in another five K,

533
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,000
third in that one that andros Upchenko won for two

534
00:26:26,039 --> 00:26:28,440
hundred and eighty three K. Benny Glauser, I mentioned him

535
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,759
at the top. You know, he had those three bracelets.

536
00:26:31,319 --> 00:26:34,079
We've talked about him throughout. Victor Blam had a great

537
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,200
summer second, fourth, fifth, six tenth. I would kind of

538
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,400
put him on like an honorable mention list, you know,

539
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,000
very good year. But the thing with Victor and like

540
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,400
why didn't put him on, Like why would consider him

541
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,599
more honorable mention than not? Is because the story with

542
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,480
Victor Blam was is he gonna get his first bracelet

543
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,799
and he ultimately didn't. So I feel like that one

544
00:26:55,839 --> 00:26:57,480
falls short a little bit. Yeah, now he had a

545
00:26:57,559 --> 00:26:59,599
very very good summer and he's gonna win a bracelet

546
00:26:59,599 --> 00:27:01,720
and probably any of them in his career, but this

547
00:27:01,839 --> 00:27:05,920
summer not not yet. Daniel Legrandu, I mean this guy

548
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:12,880
was like deep every day, Yeah, second, fourth, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth, eleventh, fifteenth,

549
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:12,599
just about.

550
00:27:13,079 --> 00:27:13,799
Speaker 2: Online as well.

551
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean just just crushed. I mean that's another thing.

552
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,240
By the way, we talked about fixing the Player of

553
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:19,920
the Year, So they got to fix the online, Like

554
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,200
it's got to get the results out there. You got

555
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,240
to get you got to talk about it more, put

556
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:25,759
it out like what you had no idea what was

557
00:27:25,799 --> 00:27:28,480
going on online? Phil Ivy had a fifth to sixth,

558
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,240
the sixth and ninth another really good year for him.

559
00:27:31,319 --> 00:27:34,039
So so yeah, you know, all things considered, those are

560
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:38,400
kind of my like, you know, yeah, Michael Mrocky did

561
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,799
this SHAWANDE one Player of the Year and that caused

562
00:27:40,839 --> 00:27:43,480
that whole stir. But this is also what happened from

563
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:47,440
this summer. I mean, all of this stuff collectively, including

564
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,839
the miss Rocky, including SHAWNDE winning Player of the Year,

565
00:27:49,839 --> 00:27:52,599
Like this is one of the best of yssipes ever,

566
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,920
if not the best of hisipy ever. From like a

567
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,680
headline storyline.

568
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 3: Perspective, Yeah, I'll throw it one more in there. It's

569
00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:59,559
probably not as big as this, but I think it

570
00:27:59,559 --> 00:28:04,039
needs to be. Josh for media. Two bracelets, both online

571
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:09,359
but both live, like one of those hybrid events crazy.

572
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:10,960
He won two a couple of years ago, so he

573
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,359
has four bracelets already. Obviously he has the WSP main

574
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,039
event found table, And when we're talking overlooked, no one

575
00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:20,359
probably has any idea about that. So that's probably pretty

576
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,599
pretty big thing. It's not gonna be even remembered at

577
00:28:22,599 --> 00:28:24,279
all when it comes to this World Series, but it's

578
00:28:24,319 --> 00:28:26,759
just something that we want to talk overlooked results.

579
00:28:26,759 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: I think that one is for sure, that one's definitely yeah, yeah,

580
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,960
this was. This was simply an incredible WSP from start

581
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,440
to finish. So those are some quote unquote winners that

582
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,440
that might be overlooked, but that we're always going to

583
00:28:38,519 --> 00:28:42,359
remember for some truly incredible accomplishments. I'm sure we miss some.

584
00:28:42,559 --> 00:28:44,920
I'm sure we missed a whole bunch. So if we did,

585
00:28:45,119 --> 00:28:46,799
you guys know the drill. You can send us a

586
00:28:46,799 --> 00:28:50,240
post on Twitter, you can email us, podcasts at PokerGO

587
00:28:50,319 --> 00:28:52,000
dot com, you can do whatever. Let us know, you

588
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,000
can comment on this YouTube video. Let us know. You know,

589
00:28:55,119 --> 00:28:57,400
forgive us if you're a player and we overlooked you.

590
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,759
But yeah, there was there was just so much stuff

591
00:28:59,759 --> 00:29:03,839
happen all summer long, and it was. It was truly

592
00:29:03,839 --> 00:29:06,839
incredible from start to finish. So shout out to everyone

593
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,680
who had a great, great great summer twenty twenty five

594
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:14,720
Doubasippy stats. This was per the WASIP press release, two

595
00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:18,240
hundred and forty six thousand, nine hundred and sixty total entries.

596
00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:22,519
That is an all time record. Now they also had

597
00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:25,039
the most events ever, but it wasn't that big of

598
00:29:25,079 --> 00:29:27,200
an increase over last year. Last year was ninety nine

599
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,000
live events. This year was one hundred live events, so

600
00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:30,519
it's not like they went from ninety nine to one

601
00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:33,440
hundred and twenty, right, So I think having a seven

602
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:38,039
point five percent increase there is really really good. They

603
00:29:38,079 --> 00:29:39,960
had two hundred and twenty nine thousand, five hundred and

604
00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:43,680
ninety nine last year, so that's very good.

605
00:29:43,799 --> 00:29:47,039
Speaker 3: Those are added though, like six days of play, so

606
00:29:47,079 --> 00:29:50,359
we have to sure in those those the bigger field events.

607
00:29:50,359 --> 00:29:52,599
So I think that Matt has been Yeah, that still

608
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,119
still it's it's still impressive.

609
00:29:54,759 --> 00:29:58,279
Speaker 1: Twy four hundred and sixty nine entries per event. Last

610
00:29:58,359 --> 00:30:01,920
year was twenty three hundred and nineteen, so the average

611
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,960
event size grew by six point five percent. I just

612
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,799
talked about the the overall increase was seven point five

613
00:30:07,839 --> 00:30:11,680
percent in entries, So I think it's a real increase

614
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:16,200
in demand. I think is a good way to categorize it.

615
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,400
I don't just think it's it's schedule inflation. I think

616
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,279
they did a really good thing, you know, all things considered.

617
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,960
I did not see if that was if that two

618
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,559
hundred and forty six nine and sixty includes the online stuff.

619
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,640
I don't think it does, but I don't I could

620
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,400
be wrong. I have some questions for you.

621
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:38,319
Speaker 2: Sure, go ahead.

622
00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:41,519
Speaker 1: So two hundred and forty six thousand plus entries almost

623
00:30:41,519 --> 00:30:45,279
two hundred and forty seven thousand entries, so there's clearly

624
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,680
still a ton of demand for the w S a P.

625
00:30:49,119 --> 00:30:53,079
I mean, what do you think drove the demand? Like,

626
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,039
is this kind of where you thought numbers would come in?

627
00:30:56,079 --> 00:30:57,839
Did you see this think that there would be an increase?

628
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,119
I know, if you want to, you know, rewind and

629
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,200
before the summer, you and I thought kind of like,

630
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,519
maybe there's the travel stuff from international, maybe there's this,

631
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,480
maybe there's that. So you know, what are your thoughts

632
00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:09,079
when you see and hear those numbers.

633
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, it felt like the travel stuff by the end

634
00:31:11,599 --> 00:31:14,240
of it didn't we stopped talking about it pretty early on.

635
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 2: Obviously probably did have a factor. It's hard to tell

636
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:16,960
on us.

637
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 3: We could look at those, you know, unique country numbers,

638
00:31:20,079 --> 00:31:23,119
that'd be a better indication of if that really affected

639
00:31:23,759 --> 00:31:26,440
out those I wish we could, yeah, if that really

640
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,480
affected the entrance. I think there's a lot of things

641
00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:34,200
when it comes to these numbers. Focus growing here in America,

642
00:31:34,279 --> 00:31:38,960
it's burning. One key thing, and I think it maybe slightly.

643
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: Are you sure it's booming. I think it's because if

644
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,839
you look on social media, people think it's absolutely like dead.

645
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,680
It's we need to get it on ESPN and all.

646
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,359
Speaker 3: This sort of stuff. ESPN's also free as well. I

647
00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:54,640
think one key thing, and this would be nearly impossible

648
00:31:54,799 --> 00:31:58,480
to quantify a bit. You got to look at like

649
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,480
the cryptocurrency market and the stock market. And what I

650
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:04,160
say by that is you look at the bitcoin prices.

651
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,559
Speaker 1: Up only huh up only? What do you mean up only?

652
00:32:08,079 --> 00:32:09,200
Those things only go up.

653
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, But like what I mean is world series. This

654
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:16,519
is bigcoin. Bitcoin is about one hundred k starting woph.

655
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,319
Speaker 1: Mart, It's bitcoin. It's the dovers f only.

656
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: Bigcoin was about one hundred k.

657
00:32:21,759 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 3: The side of the world series last year at the

658
00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:24,519
same time it was about sixty K.

659
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 2: Now, did that affect our schedules? Yours and mine?

660
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,839
Speaker 3: Not at all, right, but I'm sure it affected a

661
00:32:31,839 --> 00:32:34,240
lot of people's, you know, amount of events they played,

662
00:32:34,519 --> 00:32:36,759
how much liquidity they had, saying with the stock market,

663
00:32:36,759 --> 00:32:39,160
obviously stock market's probably a bit more of an influence

664
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,599
on you and me's money, and that's up. But that

665
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,160
really didn't change my decisions. But when you're talking two

666
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,519
hundred and forty thousand entrants, I'm sure it had some

667
00:32:48,599 --> 00:32:52,279
weight in the bullets they were playing. And then the

668
00:32:52,279 --> 00:32:55,279
big thing, and also another thing that will be hard

669
00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:59,240
to quantify is just the app the East the Reebui right,

670
00:32:59,319 --> 00:33:01,440
like the quick to just get in straight away and

671
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,920
I have to wait in lines. Now, if they were

672
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,519
able to take the winnings to go straight into the app,

673
00:33:07,839 --> 00:33:09,839
I think that would even increase numbers more because you

674
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:10,960
could cash the twenty five.

675
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: K, So you could do that. I thought you could

676
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:13,640
do that.

677
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 3: You still have to go and do you have to

678
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,400
go to the cage?

679
00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:22,279
Speaker 1: Oh, you're saying like you had to go to that room?

680
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,160
They would say how do you want it? Yeah, and

681
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,240
then you can say I want automatically deposited. Let's say

682
00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:29,240
I cash for Let's say I played a one k

683
00:33:29,359 --> 00:33:30,920
and cash for ten k and there was a ten

684
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,519
k six bax, I should just be able to go

685
00:33:33,759 --> 00:33:35,359
buy in with the ten k and not actually I

686
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:36,200
have to go to the red.

687
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 3: Now that might not make much of a difference. Could

688
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,319
be talking you know, minu percentage points. But those little

689
00:33:42,359 --> 00:33:46,400
things going forward, those kind of things will dictate kind

690
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,880
of the growth of those kind of overall numbers.

691
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,839
Speaker 1: I agree with you. The THESP plus app was a

692
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,839
big element in all of this. I just think the

693
00:33:56,839 --> 00:34:00,359
ease of it all. Yeah, there was no lines. Stration

694
00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:03,920
seemed extremely fluid. You know, a couple of clicks of

695
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,200
the button, you know, once you get in and you know,

696
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,559
do the sign of process registration, dump your money and

697
00:34:08,559 --> 00:34:12,480
all that sort of stuff. Very very very simple. I

698
00:34:12,559 --> 00:34:14,360
think we talked a little bit about what we want

699
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,480
from you know, the WSP app going forward, you know,

700
00:34:17,519 --> 00:34:19,000
with Player of the Year and stuff like that. You

701
00:34:19,039 --> 00:34:25,840
just mentioned the payout thing, any other like upgrades, scalability items,

702
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,440
you know, what would you like to see in terms

703
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,880
of like the WSP plus app evolution, because I think

704
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,360
it's pretty clear now having been through a full summer

705
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,800
with it, that this is such an important element of

706
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,119
everything as it relates to the ws BE going forward.

707
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they're really good at making changes on

708
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,119
the fly and edits on the fly and listening to

709
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:48,960
people's whether it was complaints or suggestions. So very confident

710
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,199
in the app going forward. Outside of those points we've

711
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,320
kind of said, outside of money automatically deposit, I'm not

712
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,760
really sure right now what could be added, but I'm sure.

713
00:34:59,679 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: You got link WSP dot com online and the app.

714
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 3: It should all be like the bankrolls, you mean, like

715
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,119
the cash like I feel like it should all be linked. Yeah,

716
00:35:09,199 --> 00:35:11,159
that's actually probably a good idea, but there's probably some

717
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:13,360
potential Novada gaming in that.

718
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 2: I don't know.

719
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:20,079
Speaker 3: I mean, okay, oh, real names. You gotta have real Yeah,

720
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,360
the real names. I think you should be real names.

721
00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:24,800
Doesn't need real fight, but real names one hundred percent.

722
00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:28,119
There's probably some small design things that you know, I know,

723
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,960
kind of grinted your gears with size of the fonts

724
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,119
and stuff. So then maybe there's some more customer mobility

725
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,320
where you can, like, you know, on your phone, how

726
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,159
you can go old man mode and get really big,

727
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,480
or you can go really small. Maybe that maybe you can

728
00:35:39,519 --> 00:35:42,719
have zoom like bigger Finn or smaller fund as an

729
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,440
option for users.

730
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that. More stats from the WSP

731
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,400
press release as it wrapped up the summer more than

732
00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:55,880
four hundred and eighty one million dollars in total prize money.

733
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,199
That's the most amount of total prize money awarded in

734
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,079
wsity history. Of course, that makes sense given the fact

735
00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:05,800
that they had the most entries ever thirty seven thousand,

736
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,760
three hundred and eleven places paid, so that is the

737
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:15,239
highest number of unique payouts in Wissippi history. Forty three

738
00:36:16,159 --> 00:36:19,920
is the number of one million dollars or greater prizes

739
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,559
one across the twenty twenty five series. The Millionaire Maker

740
00:36:24,559 --> 00:36:29,320
event attracted almost twelve thousand entries nine hundred and ninety six.

741
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,239
That set a record for the largest buy in fifteen

742
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:38,159
hundred dollars event in live tournament poker history. That's pretty

743
00:36:38,159 --> 00:36:42,960
freaking incredible. The Mid Stakes Championship got three thousand, seven

744
00:36:43,079 --> 00:36:46,280
hundred and ninety seven entries, becoming the largest three thousand

745
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,519
dollars buy in field ever. Very very cool there. The

746
00:36:50,559 --> 00:36:54,079
Mystery Bounty PLO event two hundred and eighty four entries.

747
00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:57,519
That's freaking enormous. I just forgot how big some of

748
00:36:57,559 --> 00:37:01,679
these numbers are. That established itself as the largest PLO

749
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:06,039
field in live tournament poker history. That's pretty ridiculous. Fifty

750
00:37:06,199 --> 00:37:09,880
Seven events exceeded two million dollars prize pool, that's an

751
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,920
all time record for the series. Nine events exceeded a

752
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,639
ten million dollar prize pool. That's also in all time record.

753
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,519
They had a record field size in the Ladies Championship

754
00:37:19,559 --> 00:37:22,599
that was won by Sina. Okay, go to that's right, baby,

755
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,840
one thousand and three and sixty eight entries there. Which

756
00:37:26,519 --> 00:37:30,239
event surprised you the most with its size or prize pool.

757
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,239
You can go either up or down. I don't care

758
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:33,079
where you go with it.

759
00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 3: I think it was going to do like more of

760
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,480
a group event, and that was the multi flight lower Byance.

761
00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 2: I really thought we.

762
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 3: Were going to get kind of astronomical numbers with the

763
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,440
additional flights, and you know, we talked about it a

764
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,079
lot this World Series and how you throw out the

765
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:52,079
first flight and the other three flights are pretty unpower

766
00:37:52,159 --> 00:37:53,960
for what they did the previous years.

767
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 2: But going into the.

768
00:37:55,159 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 3: World Series, I thought Oh my god, they're basically adding

769
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,519
a second last flight. So I thought we were going

770
00:38:00,599 --> 00:38:04,480
to see, you know, twenty percent increases in all of those,

771
00:38:04,599 --> 00:38:07,960
kind of the Colossus, the Monster stack, the one came

772
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,000
Misterry banning all of them.

773
00:38:09,039 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 2: But we didn't get that.

774
00:38:10,639 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 3: So although some of them went up, that was a

775
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,880
guess a little bit of a surprise to me. You know,

776
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,840
we were kind of pretty bullish on those high roles.

777
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,920
Some of them absolutely crushed, but yeah, pretty much those

778
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,920
lower buying multipliers were the most surprising to me.

779
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 1: You were in the trenches every single day. Of course,

780
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,719
other than that, they you went to go play soccer

781
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,079
or something on one day one morning, one morning, What

782
00:38:34,199 --> 00:38:36,920
did you notice about the player demo, you know, the

783
00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:39,280
people that were there. Did you see a shift? Did

784
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,000
you see a lot of younger players, more women, more

785
00:38:42,039 --> 00:38:45,719
international I personally feel like I didn't feel like I

786
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,239
saw as many internationals throughout the totality of the series.

787
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,920
But what stuck out to you the.

788
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,039
Speaker 2: Land of the Rising Sun.

789
00:38:54,199 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 3: Okay, what the Japanese the common I felt like there

790
00:38:58,880 --> 00:38:59,800
was just more of those.

791
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:01,559
Speaker 1: I mean, those guys are really really good.

792
00:39:02,199 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 3: More of the Japanese players than ever there was just

793
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,639
more kind of you know, whether it was South Koreans

794
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,079
or just players from Asia in general, that kind of

795
00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:12,679
stood out to me. Maybe that was because like we

796
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,239
didn't see as many Europeans or something, but to me,

797
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,239
that was the thing that stood out the most was

798
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,480
just the heavy influx of Japanese players, and you know,

799
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,920
South Koreans, a bunch of other you know from there,

800
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,159
but yeah, the Japanese players just seemed to be everywhere

801
00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:28,880
and crushing.

802
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I played with a lot of the

803
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,920
Japanese players specifically in the main event, and they were very,

804
00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:38,039
very very good. The main event itself. Now that one

805
00:39:38,119 --> 00:39:42,239
did dip three point seven percent down from last year,

806
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,440
my thoughts really not alarming.

807
00:39:44,559 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 2: You know.

808
00:39:45,039 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 1: I said that going in, if it dips a tiny bit,

809
00:39:48,679 --> 00:39:50,559
it's not that big of a deal. At the end

810
00:39:50,599 --> 00:39:53,360
of the day, it was still well over nine thousand entries,

811
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,719
which I think is absolutely incredible for a ten thousand

812
00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:00,079
dollars buy and freeze out. I still think overall the

813
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,480
demand is there. You know, I wouldn't sweat this if

814
00:40:03,519 --> 00:40:06,719
I was the w s AP. Now that comes with

815
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,239
the fact that if we do start seeing a downward trend,

816
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,360
and it starts, you know, stacking up year after year

817
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,639
after year, Then okay, then there's cause for concern. But

818
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,280
you know, I think we were the WS minimum was

819
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,519
probably a head of pace the past two years, and

820
00:40:20,559 --> 00:40:24,079
then this year, you know, it had some pullback a

821
00:40:24,159 --> 00:40:26,559
little bit of regression there, but but nothing really to

822
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,400
get alarmed by at all. You know. But again, if

823
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,639
you know, if next year it's like ninety three hundred,

824
00:40:31,639 --> 00:40:33,599
the year after that it's close to nine, then it

825
00:40:33,679 --> 00:40:36,199
dips into the eight's, okay, then then there's like something

826
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,880
that might need to be addressed there. But for right now,

827
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,400
you know, I don't think in any way, shape or form,

828
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,280
we should be alarmed about this.

829
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 3: What say you, I don't think we need to be

830
00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:49,159
alarmed at all. I agree kind of with everything you said.

831
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,559
The one thing we talked about a lot, and I'm

832
00:40:51,559 --> 00:40:55,440
just double checking the numbers, but we saw a heavy

833
00:40:55,519 --> 00:40:56,400
increase in.

834
00:40:58,119 --> 00:40:59,559
Speaker 2: Day two entry this year.

835
00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 3: Even though the numbers went down, the field size went down,

836
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,599
those day two entries went up quite significantly. One was

837
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,840
up it's like twenty five percent, the other one was

838
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,480
up a bit less than that. On those two flights.

839
00:41:11,519 --> 00:41:16,880
So I honestly think with the way the Vegas schedule is.

840
00:41:17,079 --> 00:41:19,880
When I say that, I'm talking Venetian when aria all

841
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:24,119
these competing casinos, that the day two registration is going

842
00:41:24,159 --> 00:41:26,719
to keep increasing, and the fact that, like, you know what,

843
00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:30,440
this main event is a slug. You know, we when

844
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:35,480
I busted, right, you had played pretty much fourteen more

845
00:41:35,519 --> 00:41:38,360
hours than me right when we got in, and we

846
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,320
both pretty much made the money with about the same

847
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,400
chips back. And then obviously you went on to do

848
00:41:42,519 --> 00:41:43,000
pretty well.

849
00:41:43,039 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: But I think one hundred and sixty third best player

850
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:46,800
in the world, that is correct.

851
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:51,639
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm the two thousand and third best player, but

852
00:41:51,679 --> 00:41:53,920
I think that matters because, like, the main event is

853
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,039
a slog, and you know, saving fourteen hours probably helped

854
00:41:57,079 --> 00:41:59,320
me a lot, plus you throwing all these other events

855
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,320
that people are playing. So I think that will be

856
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,159
a trend that goes that continues to increase going forward.

857
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,360
But yeah, I don't think we should be alarmed. You know,

858
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,400
it's not a massive drop off shadow massive. You know,

859
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,519
you could easily go back up to ten thousand next year.

860
00:42:11,519 --> 00:42:13,960
It could go down to ninety four hundred maybe, who knows.

861
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,760
I don't think that's too much of a concern for

862
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:17,519
the WSP.

863
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 1: My early prediction as it goes up for next year,

864
00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:24,679
that's my early, early, early, way way way too early

865
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:25,480
prediction that.

866
00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 3: I will say we definitely hit ten thousand next year. Okay,

867
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,880
twenty five k Before we move on to well, just

868
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,159
before we close this things, want to wrap up some

869
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:39,000
live streaming numbers. You know, live streaming for the WSP's

870
00:42:39,039 --> 00:42:41,679
always talked about quite a lot this year. Did some

871
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,280
calculations today. We had three hundred and forty three hours

872
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,920
of WSP coverage, most we've ever done. Last year was

873
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,840
three hundred hours, so you.

874
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 1: Needed forty three hours more.

875
00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:55,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know we had those extra main event

876
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,880
tables and stuff that's all kind of included. But yeah,

877
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,199
we did a decent amount of streaming, so it's pretty

878
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:02,840
I just wanted to kind of mention that everyone says

879
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,280
we don't streaming off film. I mean, we've been going

880
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,320
off every year. So just like WSP numbers go up

881
00:43:08,639 --> 00:43:09,599
stream out, I mean.

882
00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: You kind of cook the numbers there, Nah exact you

883
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,360
just admitted to cooking the books.

884
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 2: How do I cook the books?

885
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 1: You said we had multiple tables, meaning if we had

886
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,000
three tables going for eight hours you're doing twenty four hours.

887
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:25,440
That's no, buddy, you don't do that.

888
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 3: Okay, you can't cook the's I'm not cooking the books.

889
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,840
That's the books live on the podcast book. Yes, that's

890
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,519
a stream. We stream that table.

891
00:43:35,679 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: If you guys ever think that we are like messing

892
00:43:38,039 --> 00:43:40,719
with you and we're not, honest, I'm just calling him

893
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,880
out on his bullshit for the same company that I.

894
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 2: Work for, books being cooked.

895
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, clearly cooking the books there as it relates to

896
00:43:48,159 --> 00:43:52,960
the streaming numbers, but still pretty good streaming overall. I

897
00:43:53,039 --> 00:43:54,559
still want us to get to a point where we

898
00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:56,760
don't take a day off. No days off.

899
00:43:57,559 --> 00:44:00,679
Speaker 2: Yeah we didn't, Yeah, but today this year we did.

900
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:01,119
Speaker 1: I know.

901
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,159
Speaker 3: It was had to get those fathers to they schedule.

902
00:44:04,679 --> 00:44:09,079
It was legitimately nothing we could. We got the final table.

903
00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 2: Wise we can figure it out.

904
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 3: If we had a bit more help from WSP where

905
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:14,880
we could just you know, move some stuff, then we

906
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:15,599
would have been fine.

907
00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, I agree nowadays.

908
00:44:17,159 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: Though, sure, twenty five K fantasy that's what we were

909
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,280
going to talk about next Team b t G. I

910
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:28,039
believe that's sponsored by Phil Gelfond, involved with Phil Golf

911
00:44:28,119 --> 00:44:31,119
on his new behind the game brand. They win it

912
00:44:31,159 --> 00:44:35,199
all twelve hundred and seventy nine points. Team Lady Gaga

913
00:44:35,519 --> 00:44:37,960
Ren's linting we should have let him draft Jeremy Osmas

914
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,280
and then he wouldn't want finished in second place for

915
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,880
eleven hundred and seventy nine. Interesting that Team Lady Gaga

916
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,639
has been on a bit of a run here. They

917
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,239
finished second to us when we won it two years ago.

918
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,480
Now they finished second again. Team Hands Some Horses that

919
00:44:52,679 --> 00:44:56,400
was Phil Sternheimer and Patrick Leonard's team third place, eleven

920
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,480
hundred and fifteen points. Team Dinkers believe they won it

921
00:44:59,559 --> 00:45:02,559
last year. Yeah, they seem to be very very good

922
00:45:02,639 --> 00:45:05,840
Drafters fourth place, and then we mentioned that Team Liaison,

923
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:10,280
headed up by Andrew Stupchenko. His final win in that

924
00:45:10,519 --> 00:45:12,800
five k event at the very end of the devasit

925
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,199
be allowed them to get into fifth place and cash there.

926
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:21,719
We finished in a whopping at twentieth place. Absolutely freaking crushed.

927
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,679
We got crushed, Not that we crushed, we got crushed. Listen,

928
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:30,440
Stevensong crusher. He's going to go for sixty dollars next year,

929
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,079
and he just finished like third in the Seminal Hard

930
00:45:33,159 --> 00:45:36,119
Rock Poke ropin maybe second I can't remember what that

931
00:45:36,199 --> 00:45:39,440
he finished. Seth Davies did extremely well for US. Yeah,

932
00:45:39,519 --> 00:45:42,280
Nico milgrin N also did very very well for US.

933
00:45:42,599 --> 00:45:45,599
You know, they pretty much carried the team. Uri Reichenstein

934
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,800
I think did very well as well. He came out

935
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,519
of the gate hot. We got him super cheap. He

936
00:45:51,559 --> 00:45:54,320
was effectively a one dollar player for US. He offered

937
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,079
a lot of good support. There were certainly some moments

938
00:45:57,119 --> 00:46:00,400
where he should have had some bigger scores. A few

939
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,880
things broke his lessons. They should have but could have

940
00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:05,280
had some bigger scores should a few things broke his way.

941
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:10,000
John Shortman also, you know, offered some good support. You know,

942
00:46:10,039 --> 00:46:12,199
I think he could have also had a bunch of

943
00:46:12,199 --> 00:46:16,119
deep runs as well. He ultimately finished with twenty four points.

944
00:46:16,159 --> 00:46:19,199
He had a boatload of cashes, a bunch of deep runs,

945
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,480
seventeen cashes, you know, and just a bunch of kind

946
00:46:22,519 --> 00:46:24,320
of deep runs and then things kind of fell apart

947
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,519
in the end. So, you know, Johnny Shuman, he'll be back.

948
00:46:27,559 --> 00:46:31,760
Of course, Osmas did not perform, of course, but listen,

949
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,800
I'm fine with it, you know. I know it's easy

950
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,400
to say, like, yeah, we're never drafting Osmas again, blah

951
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,960
blah blah whatever. No, I mean the guy. My big

952
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,159
thing is that he showed up every single FAA day.

953
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,079
He had a smile on his f and face, and

954
00:46:44,119 --> 00:46:46,360
he did his thing. And yeah, things didn't break his

955
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,679
way because there's various variants involved that happens, you know,

956
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,599
So it is what it is. Still a big fan

957
00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:56,519
of Jeremy Osmas. I would certainly draft him again, so

958
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,480
you know, you guys can take that for what you

959
00:46:58,519 --> 00:47:00,840
want going into next year. Maybe we'll buy him for

960
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,880
one hundred and forty one again, maybe we won't, but

961
00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:07,719
uh yeah, tbd. Tommy Coral and Boris Angelov horrible picks

962
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:12,320
pass just just horrible. I mean they they didn't perform

963
00:47:12,679 --> 00:47:15,199
at all. They had ten points between them.

964
00:47:15,559 --> 00:47:18,679
Speaker 3: Temmy Carle four cashes at the WSC, Boris Angelov three

965
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,920
WSP cashes. Right, but he had nine cashes outside of

966
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,960
the World Series, including a win and a second.

967
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know he had a very good summer. He

968
00:47:27,079 --> 00:47:31,159
had a very bad WSFP. You know. Ultimately, those are

969
00:47:31,159 --> 00:47:33,239
just the breaks. Those are kind of the gambles you

970
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,280
take when you're you're buying one dollar players like this.

971
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,079
So it is what it is I would say that

972
00:47:38,679 --> 00:47:42,679
my co owner and I Mickey Doff, need to reevaluate

973
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,960
the Tommy Coral and Boris Angelov picks.

974
00:47:45,039 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 3: Who were the other options? And where would have that

975
00:47:48,599 --> 00:47:51,920
kind I can't even remember. I mean, that's obviously you

976
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,440
need a lot of points to get in the money.

977
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,159
Speaker 1: And now that I mean there there are a few

978
00:47:56,159 --> 00:47:59,800
people that were that were on our list for like

979
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,840
to fill these like kind of roster spots. Yeah, not

980
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:07,039
that they're necessarily one dollar players, but like a Scott Bowleman, right,

981
00:48:07,079 --> 00:48:09,840
but like Scott Bowman told us, I think it.

982
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,039
Speaker 2: Was he said he was playing the same schedule as.

983
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: Ye, but I think he said, like if I wasn't

984
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:14,960
worth a dollar last year, I'm not worth a dollar

985
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:16,480
this year, or something like that. And it's like, what

986
00:48:16,519 --> 00:48:17,960
the heck am I supposed to take with that company?

987
00:48:18,039 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 2: He's so I.

988
00:48:19,639 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: Would have I don't know, you know, I don't know.

989
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:23,760
And then he obviously has an incredible summer.

990
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 2: Four hundred points.

991
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: I mean he he I don't think he had a

992
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,320
four hundred points worth of a summer, but.

993
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 2: You need four hundred points.

994
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,760
Speaker 3: I wondering if he if he trade Carl for someone

995
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,440
that you were likely to pick does it get you

996
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:40,760
in the money? Let me look through the uh three.

997
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,039
Speaker 1: So Scott Bowman was one of those guys that we

998
00:48:44,119 --> 00:48:46,960
kind of at least initially, you know, we put together

999
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:48,800
our list and then we and then based on the list,

1000
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,400
we try and reach out to all them. Right, So

1001
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:51,760
he was someone who had on our list and then

1002
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,559
we reach out and then we got that comment and

1003
00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:55,320
it's like, well, I don't know exactly know how to

1004
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,599
read that situation. So yeah, so there's that. So we

1005
00:48:58,679 --> 00:49:02,239
ended up not drafting him. Ryan Hoenig was also on

1006
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,800
our list, ends up going for fifty two dollars like

1007
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,880
we thought he was. He might not be on anyone's radar.

1008
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,039
Maybe we get him for on fifteen to twenty. We

1009
00:49:09,119 --> 00:49:11,599
might be battling with one of the Florida teams or whatever.

1010
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,760
This one is somebody who's always been on my list.

1011
00:49:15,079 --> 00:49:18,159
Thomas Taylor how many points again? One hundred and eighty

1012
00:49:18,159 --> 00:49:20,880
four crafted for seven bucks, right? I mean that that

1013
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,159
one's kind of a one where I'm kicking myself. Matt

1014
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:28,400
Vangren another one we kind of have on our short list.

1015
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,239
He goes for nine scores, one fifty eight. You know.

1016
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,360
So it's like we clicked A when we should have

1017
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,360
clicked B. You know, it's like those sorts of things.

1018
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,639
Speaker 3: Even switching those two players doesn't get you in the money.

1019
00:49:38,639 --> 00:49:42,360
So it's not like no building, it's all, you know,

1020
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,719
we just have to blame Masmas. He's dead to us.

1021
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,079
Speaker 1: He's definitely not dead to me. He's definitely not dead

1022
00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:50,119
to me. Let me look who I had Renjie Mao

1023
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,960
on my list as well. Huh, you would never get

1024
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:55,960
Renjie killing one for nine dollars, and he went to

1025
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,920
Jeff Platt and Brent Hanks. They were bidding with him,

1026
00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:02,440
then they ended up not He scored one hundred and twelve.

1027
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,480
He was certainly on our list. We had Calvin Anderson

1028
00:50:05,519 --> 00:50:07,159
on our list. This is one where like we had

1029
00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:10,440
Calvin Anderson on our list. I think Calvin Erson invested

1030
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,280
in our team through poker's take, and you know, so

1031
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,480
he told us a lot of insight. He ultimately went

1032
00:50:16,519 --> 00:50:19,400
for fifty one. We weren't going to go I think

1033
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,880
above thirty on him, so we let him go and

1034
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,199
then he scores one hundred and four. So going for

1035
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,079
fifty one, you probably have to score a little bit

1036
00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:33,199
more than one hundred and four. So even though technically

1037
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,519
we missed out on getting one hundred and four points

1038
00:50:35,519 --> 00:50:38,000
from him, Yeah, like he didn't meet like where he

1039
00:50:38,039 --> 00:50:40,280
should have been value wise or like you know, points

1040
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,119
for value. So so that's not like a horrible pass

1041
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:47,559
from us, right, Dario Alioto. I mean we wanted him back,

1042
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,559
but he goes for a lot more. I mean just

1043
00:50:49,559 --> 00:50:52,280
the generational one dollar pick from us last year, he

1044
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,079
goes for twenty five. This year, you know, scores eighty nine.

1045
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,639
So he was, you know, somebody we ultimately had to

1046
00:50:58,639 --> 00:51:00,400
pass on because we weren't going to go that high,

1047
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:04,199
like we were. We were big on John Reardon, the King.

1048
00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:07,079
We were for sure going in. Our first plan was

1049
00:51:07,159 --> 00:51:11,039
let's get Jeremy Osmas, Let's get John reard in, like

1050
00:51:11,079 --> 00:51:13,239
that's who we want. And then Jard Rearden goes for

1051
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,639
fifty four, but thank god we didn't get him because

1052
00:51:16,639 --> 00:51:18,760
he only scores forty eight. Yeah, so like it's you know,

1053
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:20,920
it's like one, it's like that's that was a good

1054
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,519
situation that ultimately happened to us, not that we you know,

1055
00:51:24,519 --> 00:51:26,400
we ultimately passed. And I think we were I think

1056
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,519
we were priced out to be honest at that point,

1057
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:30,159
like we could only have once we spent one forty

1058
00:51:30,199 --> 00:51:32,840
one on on Ozmas. We could only go so high

1059
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:36,239
on Reordan, so we ultimately had to pass. But if

1060
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,159
we let's say we got Reordan for you know, let's

1061
00:51:39,159 --> 00:51:41,119
say forty five or whatever the heck the number was

1062
00:51:41,159 --> 00:51:43,199
that we could have matched out on him, then we

1063
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,400
have Ozmas and Reordan. They both do horrible for us,

1064
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,920
and it just doesn't work out right. So, you know,

1065
00:51:49,199 --> 00:51:51,480
it can kind of go go either way. I'm just

1066
00:51:51,559 --> 00:51:54,760
quickly scanning through if there's anyone else on here. Adam

1067
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,800
Owen was somebody else that we were kind of high

1068
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,960
on going in, you know, Adam Owen. He was somebody

1069
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,679
who he used to be on my list years ago,

1070
00:52:04,119 --> 00:52:05,480
and then he kind of just like fell out the

1071
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,360
face of the earth, Like he didn't really see him around.

1072
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,119
He didn't seem like he was playing much. But then

1073
00:52:10,159 --> 00:52:12,320
he kind of had a sort of a resurgence the

1074
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,039
last year year and a half, he had a big

1075
00:52:15,039 --> 00:52:17,320
score I believe it was in the mid Stakes championship

1076
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:21,039
last summer. Gave him a pretty hefty bankroll, you know,

1077
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:22,760
for the rest of the year, so he was somebody

1078
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,440
who was now back on our radar, but he was

1079
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,400
obviously back on other people's seems radar because he goes

1080
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,920
for twenty two, but then he only scores twenty three.

1081
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,719
So you know, that's that's one where us not getting

1082
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,119
him was probably better than us getting him. So you know,

1083
00:52:36,159 --> 00:52:38,800
there's a lot of that, so you can go, what

1084
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:40,440
if we did this, what if we did that, you know,

1085
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,920
all that sort of stuff. It's like like, I know,

1086
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,840
some people were like invested in our team and they're like, well,

1087
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,159
you didn't have to get Ozma's for you know whatever

1088
00:52:50,199 --> 00:52:52,480
one one. You could have had Negron New for one

1089
00:52:52,519 --> 00:52:55,360
oh eight and neg scored two sixty nine. I said, well,

1090
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,719
if that was the case, then we likely would have

1091
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,719
got John Reardon, who would have only scored forty eight.

1092
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:02,840
So it's like, you know, so it's like then then

1093
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,840
we lose. Then we lose Set Davies, let's say, right,

1094
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,519
who scored over one hundred, So we actually you know,

1095
00:53:08,599 --> 00:53:12,199
lose points there. So maybe Davy scored one thirty one,

1096
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,360
so maybe yeah, maybe the combo of negran New and

1097
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,440
Reordan nets out more than Osma's and Davies, But it's

1098
00:53:18,519 --> 00:53:20,719
not anything like meaningful that's gonna like get us in

1099
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,480
the money. So like it's it's you know, there's so

1100
00:53:22,519 --> 00:53:24,360
many different you can't just say, like what if we

1101
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,320
got this person versus that person, because with what we

1102
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,320
spent on Osmas, if we had spent less on a

1103
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,320
deep or negran new and we had that more money

1104
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:34,760
than maybe we get some of these other players that

1105
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,400
ultimately didn't pan out. Right, So it's you know, it's

1106
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:38,840
it's a whole big give and of take. There's a

1107
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,719
whole bunch of you know, moving parts here. So anyway,

1108
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:44,880
we'll be back at our next year. Of course, you know,

1109
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,679
we won this thing two years ago, so it is

1110
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,519
certainly possible, and uh yeah, I can't wait for it.

1111
00:53:49,519 --> 00:53:52,239
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1112
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:57,760
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1113
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:58,320
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1114
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been a little while, so we're gonna code

1115
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,519
word as a reminder us him and me.

1116
00:54:04,159 --> 00:54:04,559
Speaker 2: Well, I guess.

1117
00:54:04,599 --> 00:54:06,760
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1118
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,519
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1119
00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:12,679
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1120
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,519
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1121
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,800
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1122
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1123
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,039
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1124
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1125
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:29,480
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1126
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1127
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1128
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,559
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1129
00:54:38,599 --> 00:54:40,800
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1130
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,679
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1131
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1132
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1133
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1134
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1135
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,880
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1137
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1138
00:55:07,159 --> 00:55:08,599
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1139
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1140
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1141
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1142
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,920
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1143
00:55:21,039 --> 00:55:24,840
So yeah, we're gonna definitely try and ramp up the pods,

1144
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,159
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1145
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,599
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1147
00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:34,800
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1148
00:55:35,039 --> 00:55:39,039
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1149
00:55:39,039 --> 00:55:41,679
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1150
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1151
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1152
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1153
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1154
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1155
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1156
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1157
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1158
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1159
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1160
00:56:10,599 --> 00:56:13,199
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1161
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,280
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1162
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,840
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1163
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,079
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1164
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1165
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1166
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1167
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1168
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1169
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1170
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1171
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1172
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whether you're listening, whether you're watching on YouTube, you can win.

1173
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,760
That's true. Classic T's dot com slash TC Poker Go,

1174
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:57,039
get your entries in today. Really don't don't sleep on

1175
00:56:57,079 --> 00:56:59,719
this one. Okay. I don't think anyone's ever given out

1176
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:01,880
normally when even when we do it, it's like, you know,

1177
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,599
win win one seat, win one seed, win one seed,

1178
00:57:04,599 --> 00:57:06,639
win one seed. Tim's like win one dream sleep No,

1179
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:10,079
this is fifteen seats, Okay, fifteen, So you got a

1180
00:57:10,119 --> 00:57:14,159
pretty good shot. Okay, pretty darn good shot. All right,

1181
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:18,199
let's move on to the p g T leader board,

1182
00:57:18,199 --> 00:57:22,199
that is the Poker Go Tour up on top is

1183
00:57:22,239 --> 00:57:25,599
Michael the Grinder Miss Rocky. He went from not being

1184
00:57:25,679 --> 00:57:31,800
ranked to first yea, but he currently is ineligible. He

1185
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:36,199
needs a third cash. We do have a qualifying element.

1186
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,920
You have to have three PGT cases. I know you

1187
00:57:39,039 --> 00:57:43,320
saw him during the Right Here National Heads Up Poker Championship.

1188
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,119
You let him know that he needs a third cash.

1189
00:57:45,159 --> 00:57:46,599
He seems certainly very interested in.

1190
00:57:46,639 --> 00:57:48,599
Speaker 2: He said, I'll just get a third win, make it easy.

1191
00:57:48,639 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: He probably confident. Honestly he probably will. Okay, he probably will.

1192
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:56,519
So Michael Missrocky is up on top right now. Sean

1193
00:57:56,639 --> 00:57:59,719
deeb is he was. He was also I think he

1194
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:01,760
was on ranked. I mean he doesn't play anything.

1195
00:58:02,039 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 2: He was un rank.

1196
00:58:03,159 --> 00:58:05,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, he moved up to twenty sixth. Are these are

1197
00:58:05,199 --> 00:58:05,960
like the big movers?

1198
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:06,079
Speaker 2: Ye?

1199
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: Michael Wang went from twoundred and sixty fifth up to twentieth.

1200
00:58:10,519 --> 00:58:13,320
Andrew Rostupchenko We've talked about him a lot on this podcast.

1201
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,920
He went from twnar ninety six up to sixty second.

1202
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,360
Brian rast went from two thirty seven to forty third,

1203
00:58:19,559 --> 00:58:23,880
Maxim Piezarenko two fifty three to seventy sixth. So you

1204
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,880
know there's a lot of big movers, big jumps here.

1205
00:58:27,639 --> 00:58:29,360
Kind of one other name that sticks out to me,

1206
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:33,239
Phil Sternheimer. He went from ninety seventh up to tenth.

1207
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:37,400
He's someone who interests me. Tenth feels like you might

1208
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:40,599
be Lockey in terms of getting into the top forty.

1209
00:58:41,239 --> 00:58:43,199
So is he gonna then come out for the championship.

1210
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 3: I think I'm more worried about deep down in those

1211
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,280
mid twenties. You know, Dave is twenty fifth right now

1212
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:54,679
with one thousand and forty four points. That's the way this,

1213
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,280
like Leada Bold's shaping out. We always talk about thousand

1214
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,519
points kind of being the thresholds. So many people just

1215
00:59:00,599 --> 00:59:03,360
group there with like you know, one, two, like just

1216
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:06,039
not enough cash. Is that it's gonna it's gonna be

1217
00:59:06,039 --> 00:59:08,079
really interesting. Is because you know, talking to Deeve, I

1218
00:59:08,079 --> 00:59:10,840
always trying to get him here in the studio. I

1219
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:12,639
don't think we're going to get him here for anything,

1220
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:14,320
which is fine. You know, he was here for the

1221
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,039
nationals Up Championship. But he's unlikely to come out play

1222
00:59:17,039 --> 00:59:19,400
any events. He will come out and play the free role,

1223
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,320
he said, if he makes it so, he's going to

1224
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,719
be kind of monitoring. He's gonna if I was going

1225
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,039
to have a prediction. I feel like he'll sneak in

1226
00:59:27,079 --> 00:59:30,360
on that like last spot forty four points. It's just

1227
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:32,679
it's a tough it's a tough thing, especially with the

1228
00:59:32,679 --> 00:59:35,559
people under him, Like you know, we're talking Dylan Lindy,

1229
00:59:35,679 --> 00:59:40,159
Joey Weisman, Masato, you know, Shicky Yuek Haxton, all these

1230
00:59:40,199 --> 00:59:41,960
guys that are definitely going to be in our studio

1231
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,119
for something. Right, So he is definitely going to get

1232
00:59:45,119 --> 00:59:47,280
pushed down. Just how long can he hold on for?

1233
00:59:47,639 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 2: Really? Yeah?

1234
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:51,119
Speaker 3: I mean that makes sense, Sernheimer. I think he's pretty safe.

1235
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,519
Twelve hundred points, He's in tenth place right now.

1236
00:59:53,559 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 1: Well, my question is more like, is he going to come?

1237
00:59:56,079 --> 00:59:57,079
Speaker 2: No, I don't.

1238
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 3: I don't see him coming, like because he's more of

1239
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:00,599
mixed game guy.

1240
01:00:00,639 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: Now.

1241
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 3: He obviously plays no Lemon, he plays Pilo, but he is,

1242
01:00:03,599 --> 01:00:06,320
you know, a mixed game guy. I don't think we

1243
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,840
see him come out for any other events but for

1244
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:10,400
the free roll.

1245
01:00:10,679 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 2: I you know, I think we see him come for

1246
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:12,239
the free roll.

1247
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1248
01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:14,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you also put it in the basically players

1249
01:00:14,719 --> 01:00:15,480
have to opt in or out.

1250
01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:17,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have to change it for this year so

1251
01:00:17,119 --> 01:00:18,880
that we get the full forty. I think that's the

1252
01:00:19,239 --> 01:00:22,079
fairest thing. Obviously, someone like Jeremy Recker wish I did

1253
01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:24,199
that last year. But hey, we're trying to always improve.

1254
01:00:24,199 --> 01:00:26,320
This is one thing we're improving this year. We'll have

1255
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:28,880
to opt in and have your seat, and you know,

1256
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,480
with that, we probably will kind of have some people

1257
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:33,480
on standby just in case, you know, there's a there's

1258
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:34,480
a mis flight or something.

1259
01:00:34,559 --> 01:00:36,079
Speaker 2: But I think he'll come.

1260
01:00:36,119 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 3: The only tough thing for fulfilled, you know, obviously being

1261
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:41,559
based in like London and obviously traveling for big proger events.

1262
01:00:41,599 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 2: He's got a family.

1263
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 3: He's going to come out for the free roll and

1264
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:45,840
then he's gonna fly home then come out a month

1265
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,320
later for the next mix game series. So that might

1266
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,320
be a little wrink or he may be like, yeah,

1267
01:00:50,519 --> 01:00:53,280
pre roll, you know, maybe by then he's like thirty

1268
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,559
fifth this it might not be worth it for him.

1269
01:00:55,639 --> 01:00:59,760
So that's another one. We'll obviously pay close attention to Jeremy.

1270
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:04,199
Speaker 1: So last year last season on the PGT, he was

1271
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,519
the Player of the Year, I meaning he topped the

1272
01:01:06,599 --> 01:01:09,519
leaderboard during the regular season with the most points. Then

1273
01:01:09,559 --> 01:01:12,800
he went on to win the PGT Million dollar championship,

1274
01:01:13,079 --> 01:01:16,760
so the double for the Great Jeremy Osmas. He's currently

1275
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:20,840
ninety ninth on the leaderboard, so outside of the top forty,

1276
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,000
he's got four hundred and eighty six points. We know

1277
01:01:23,119 --> 01:01:26,239
he's in here for all of the PGT series, playing

1278
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:28,599
every single event. He plays all the PLO stuff, he

1279
01:01:28,599 --> 01:01:32,280
plays all the mixed game stuff. He'll play obviously the

1280
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:34,760
bigger by ins too, He'll play the smaller biens. He'll

1281
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:36,840
really do it all. He has eleven cashes on the

1282
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:41,519
PGT this season, four final tables, no wins. Now partly

1283
01:01:41,559 --> 01:01:43,480
why he's not doing as well as last year. As

1284
01:01:43,559 --> 01:01:46,000
last year, if you remember, during the summer he had

1285
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:50,599
an incredible summer. He had multiple final tables, deep runs,

1286
01:01:50,599 --> 01:01:54,199
all in big buy in PGT qualifying events. He didn't

1287
01:01:54,199 --> 01:01:55,960
really have that good of a summer this year. Of course,

1288
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,079
as we know, he was on our twenty five K team,

1289
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:02,920
so he's he's lacking those WSOP points right that helped

1290
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:06,239
boost a lot of these guys up the leaderboard. You know,

1291
01:02:07,199 --> 01:02:11,079
last season, at this same point, after the WSOP, after

1292
01:02:11,119 --> 01:02:12,960
all the ARIA high rollers in the summer, he had

1293
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:16,280
fourteen hundred and ninety nine points, So he's about a

1294
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,840
thousand off, a little bit more than a thousand off,

1295
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:21,559
and he was he had fifteen cashes last season at

1296
01:02:21,559 --> 01:02:25,039
this point, he was in fifth place overall. So do

1297
01:02:25,119 --> 01:02:28,880
we think Jeremy's gonna make it into the top forty.

1298
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 2: It's gonna be tough.

1299
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he makes it. I think he

1300
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:34,480
makes it, but it's gonna he's got to grind.

1301
01:02:34,559 --> 01:02:37,679
Speaker 3: He that has to like win something big or he's

1302
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:41,840
gonna be grinding these results. Remember, you know, before he uh,

1303
01:02:42,639 --> 01:02:44,320
there was a point at Lossie where he had gone

1304
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:46,199
like four hundred days that winning an event or something,

1305
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:48,480
and he was just getting a lot of cashes, getting

1306
01:02:48,519 --> 01:02:51,159
a lot of seconds, thirds, fourth and fifths, but still

1307
01:02:51,199 --> 01:02:53,519
like in the right member this year obviously not breaking

1308
01:02:53,519 --> 01:02:56,320
that way. But I feel like he's just gotta start

1309
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:59,719
stringing cashes together, thirty points a time, forty points a time,

1310
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:02,320
and hope one of those can be piled into a

1311
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:04,360
nice big, you know, two hundred or three hundred point win,

1312
01:03:05,039 --> 01:03:07,320
you know, send him right up there. I think he'll

1313
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:09,320
make it. I think it's going to be a sweat.

1314
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:11,360
He's going to be fighting, you know.

1315
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:11,679
Speaker 1: Truth.

1316
01:03:11,679 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 3: And now to the very end, he's also going to

1317
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,880
stop skipping. You knows he skipped the mix game series,

1318
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:19,320
So I mean he's saying he would be first right now,

1319
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:21,960
but like, hey, you miss a series, there's obviously missing

1320
01:03:22,039 --> 01:03:22,920
chances to win points.

1321
01:03:23,079 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 1: I mean he's I think right now he's averaging forty

1322
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,480
four points per cash. If he stays on that sort

1323
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:32,000
of pace, he's going to need like fifteen sixteen more cashes,

1324
01:03:32,039 --> 01:03:34,639
which is kind of be kind of hard to do. So,

1325
01:03:34,719 --> 01:03:37,039
like you said, I think he's gonna need I mean, that'll.

1326
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 2: Get him to SERI had twenty seven cashes.

1327
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm saying, but right now, with with how

1328
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:43,800
many events are left, I'm saying he had he had

1329
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:45,920
fifteen at this point last year, so he's four cashes

1330
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:47,760
ahead of where he is. Yeah, So I'm saying, like

1331
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,320
there's just there's all you know, there's only so many events.

1332
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:52,519
It's like it's I'm just saying he has to he

1333
01:03:52,519 --> 01:03:54,119
has to basically make up for it at some point,

1334
01:03:54,199 --> 01:03:56,519
so you know, we'll see. Of course, I think he'll

1335
01:03:56,519 --> 01:03:59,679
get in, But of course it's it's still TBD and

1336
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:01,760
is going to be big because there's a whole crap

1337
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:05,599
ton of PGT stuff that is coming up. Then s

1338
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:10,119
HRPO Seminal High Roller Poke Open. J Cody wins Hot Rock.

1339
01:04:10,639 --> 01:04:11,360
What did I say, Hi?

1340
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:11,679
Speaker 2: Roll?

1341
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:15,559
Speaker 1: Oh? Whatever, same thing. I'm kind of freaking out because

1342
01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:17,599
my battery is at seventeen percent.

1343
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:19,679
Speaker 2: It's crazy charges.

1344
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 1: It's pretty low. I do have a charge of it's

1345
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:23,480
in my bag and I want to avoid like getting

1346
01:04:23,599 --> 01:04:25,639
up and being like, hey, Rich at this time, you

1347
01:04:25,679 --> 01:04:27,760
have to edit the video and figure this out and whatever.

1348
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:30,159
So let's just we're gonna try and make it through. Okay,

1349
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:34,320
So J Cody, you guys might remember that name, Jake Cody,

1350
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:39,079
Jake freaking Cody. Random Player of the Day AF Yeah,

1351
01:04:39,159 --> 01:04:41,880
tops eight hundred and eighty nine entries to win five

1352
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:46,639
hundred and ten thousand dollars in the Seminal Hard Rock

1353
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,480
A Poker Open main event. I believe it's a fifty

1354
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:52,199
three or fifty two to fifty buying for that one.

1355
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,159
He's an EPT champ, He's a w s B bracelet winner,

1356
01:04:55,159 --> 01:04:58,880
He's a WPT champ. He became the third triple Crown

1357
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:02,920
winner if you include EBT main events, WSP bracelets, and

1358
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:07,199
WPT titles. He's still the youngest Triple Crown winner. It

1359
01:05:07,239 --> 01:05:10,960
took him one year, four months, and eleven days to

1360
01:05:11,039 --> 01:05:13,840
win it. He was once, you know, during like those

1361
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:19,880
big I would say two thousand and nine to like sixteen,

1362
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:23,280
he was a big name. It was you know, he was,

1363
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:25,840
he was up there. He did have a big kind

1364
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,960
of results gap from twenty eighteen to twenty twenty three.

1365
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:30,639
There was only one cash I think it was for

1366
01:05:30,719 --> 01:05:34,039
fifteen K in twenty nineteen. But other than that, nothing

1367
01:05:34,079 --> 01:05:34,519
going on.

1368
01:05:35,079 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 2: I think he had a child, right, huh. I think

1369
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:38,559
he had a child.

1370
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:40,199
Speaker 1: He might have, And I also think he like he

1371
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:41,320
relocated to Florida.

1372
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 2: I think he plays, and I think he used to

1373
01:05:43,519 --> 01:05:44,760
play out of cash.

1374
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:46,679
Speaker 1: I think he was focused on cash. Well now it

1375
01:05:46,679 --> 01:05:48,880
seems like he's back in the tournament, playing a lot

1376
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,440
of stuff down at Seminole. I think last year during

1377
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:53,239
Semino or maybe earlier this year, one of those years,

1378
01:05:53,239 --> 01:05:54,599
I don't know, he had a win for like ninety

1379
01:05:54,639 --> 01:05:56,719
K or ninety five K or something like that. This

1380
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:59,960
win here is his third largest career score. Jeremy Wine

1381
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:04,800
got second, Stephen Song got third, on jelco On Drakovitz

1382
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:08,679
got fourth, Sean Davis got fifth, Our Linda John's sixth,

1383
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:14,800
jasper Ma seventh, Joseph Kurcio eighth, Big Uni ninth, Chris

1384
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:18,760
Unkean ninth, and Eric Kolodney got to tenth. There goes,

1385
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:22,800
There goes my wedding ring on the floor. The field

1386
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,599
size for this one, so this year eight hundred and

1387
01:06:25,639 --> 01:06:28,159
eighty nine entries is up from the year before eight

1388
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:31,639
sixty five. But I mean this event used to get

1389
01:06:31,679 --> 01:06:34,679
well over one thousand twenty twenty one, so coming out

1390
01:06:34,719 --> 01:06:37,679
of the pandemic eleven eighty twenty twenty two, eleven ten,

1391
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:41,920
twenty twenty three, one thousand and seventy, so kind of

1392
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:44,679
like those slight declines for those years and then a

1393
01:06:44,719 --> 01:06:47,639
big drop off, yeah, from one thosy seventy to eight

1394
01:06:47,719 --> 01:06:50,159
sixty five for twenty twenty three to twenty twenty four.

1395
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:53,400
So just kind of interesting to point that out. I

1396
01:06:53,599 --> 01:06:56,280
don't really have a take or lean or a big

1397
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:56,920
thought here.

1398
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 2: I have it take okay, go ahead.

1399
01:06:59,039 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 3: It's too much on there's too many options for these players,

1400
01:07:01,679 --> 01:07:03,719
whether the buyers, three K, five K, there's just a

1401
01:07:03,719 --> 01:07:06,840
lot of that stuff. Now you talk about the PGT obviously,

1402
01:07:07,039 --> 01:07:09,679
you know we use to specialize in those you know,

1403
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,079
twenty twenty one to twenty two higher stuff. Now we've

1404
01:07:12,079 --> 01:07:14,800
obviously brought it down to fives. You know, we added Texas,

1405
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,119
so there's a three. You know, We've got an event

1406
01:07:17,159 --> 01:07:19,800
of Venetian coming up that's another three K, and then

1407
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:23,440
other venues too. There's just a lot of options for players.

1408
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,000
And then you have to also throw in World Series

1409
01:07:26,039 --> 01:07:28,639
of Poker. What I mean by that is the evolution,

1410
01:07:29,239 --> 01:07:31,599
the increase in events at the World Series, but also

1411
01:07:31,679 --> 01:07:35,119
just the increase of events in Vegas during the World Series.

1412
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:38,199
It's just so much on offer, so much money you

1413
01:07:38,239 --> 01:07:40,760
need to spend and have, and you finish that it's

1414
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:43,199
July eighteenth. All you want to do is sleep and

1415
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:45,880
not think about poker anymore. And this is the first

1416
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:49,519
big series, so some people, you know, still have a

1417
01:07:49,519 --> 01:07:53,320
bit of a WSP hangover. You know, there's also after this.

1418
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:56,239
There's people right now flying for EPT Barcelona. There's a

1419
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:59,199
series in Cyprus. There's just so much going on and

1420
01:07:59,239 --> 01:08:01,159
that you know, people have to pick and chrus and

1421
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:04,760
when this series, you know, there's so many good events

1422
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,199
here at Seminole. This Big Fall is a great one,

1423
01:08:07,199 --> 01:08:10,159
but sometimes you just got to pick one to not play,

1424
01:08:10,639 --> 01:08:13,400
and I think that's kind of the I would say

1425
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:15,440
that is one of the major reasons in the decline.

1426
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:17,760
I think it's anything against Seminal. I think it's more

1427
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:21,399
against everything else that's going on tournament schedule wise.

1428
01:08:22,279 --> 01:08:25,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that that makes sense. I

1429
01:08:25,359 --> 01:08:28,279
think this is one of those things where worth monitoring.

1430
01:08:28,399 --> 01:08:30,239
You know, we'll point it out and then we'll keep

1431
01:08:30,239 --> 01:08:32,640
an eye on and we'll see what happens next year as

1432
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:34,640
it relates to this. I know, they obviously do a

1433
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:38,119
lot of events at Seminole throughout the year, so you know,

1434
01:08:38,239 --> 01:08:40,920
maybe a little bit of fatigue there. Yeah, for their

1435
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,079
events in general. You know, maybe I'll try and do

1436
01:08:43,119 --> 01:08:46,279
some digging in terms of these numbers and look at

1437
01:08:46,279 --> 01:08:48,760
them a little bit more closely, just to kind of

1438
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:50,560
see how they're performing over the years, not just the

1439
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:52,960
main event, but maybe some of the other bigger buying stuff,

1440
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,199
and you know, also look at all the Seminal events

1441
01:08:55,239 --> 01:08:58,039
as opposed to just this one. So so yeah, we'll

1442
01:08:58,039 --> 01:09:03,600
see how that goes. One of the biggest story stories

1443
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:07,720
to come out of this series was this this situation

1444
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:11,159
where a player got dealt three cards at the feature

1445
01:09:11,199 --> 01:09:16,239
table Nile Costagen believe he's out of Ireland if I.

1446
01:09:16,279 --> 01:09:19,520
Speaker 3: Played on tam Usa in the well really Vegas. Okay,

1447
01:09:20,239 --> 01:09:20,840
so he was.

1448
01:09:21,399 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 1: He's playing on the future table on like day two

1449
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:26,479
or something like whatever, and I mean, it's not the

1450
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:31,239
final table is my main point. And he's dealt three cards.

1451
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:36,640
He plays the entire hand. He raises pre flop. I

1452
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:40,720
think he bets flop, turning river on a king. I

1453
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:44,159
think it was like King ten eight turn eight river whatever. Like,

1454
01:09:44,399 --> 01:09:46,880
he bets the whole way. He ends up getting called

1455
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,359
by King Jack. He goes to turn his hand over

1456
01:09:50,359 --> 01:09:53,560
and he turns over three cards and immediately like starts

1457
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:57,319
freaking out, like he's really annoyed because of the situation.

1458
01:09:57,479 --> 01:09:59,680
And I think he understood. He probably knows at that

1459
01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:02,119
point that they might be killing his hand, meaning he

1460
01:10:02,159 --> 01:10:05,439
loses the pots. It's a whole thing. Floor obviously gets called.

1461
01:10:06,159 --> 01:10:08,800
They hear everything out. This is all on stream, by

1462
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:10,800
the way, you can go. You can go on to

1463
01:10:11,079 --> 01:10:14,880
the shrpo YouTube channel and you can watch this whatever

1464
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:16,439
day that it was on. It happened right on the

1465
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:19,399
three hour fifty minute mark. So it's ruled that his

1466
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:22,000
hand is dead. So the player in the one seat

1467
01:10:22,319 --> 01:10:25,520
is awarded the pot and you know, Costagens like freaking

1468
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:27,359
out a little bit. I mean, he claims that he

1469
01:10:27,399 --> 01:10:30,039
thought he had well top set on the flop, turns

1470
01:10:30,039 --> 01:10:31,640
a full house and is just betting for value the

1471
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:32,079
whole way.

1472
01:10:32,399 --> 01:10:36,079
Speaker 3: The chiographics, by the way, said he had Ace king because.

1473
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:36,720
Speaker 1: The ace was the other card.

1474
01:10:37,119 --> 01:10:37,359
Speaker 2: He had.

1475
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 1: Ace King King is what he was dealt. So there's

1476
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:42,439
kind of a lot to unpack here. The first thing

1477
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:45,439
I'll say is that he was not in the small blind.

1478
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:48,760
He was, I believe, under the gun plus one. So

1479
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:51,520
it's not like the dealer went around the table and

1480
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:53,840
then went around one extra spot, dealt the button the

1481
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:56,199
last card, and then went one more to the small blind. No,

1482
01:10:56,720 --> 01:11:00,000
so what happened was is two cards got stuck together. Yeah,

1483
01:11:00,159 --> 01:11:03,840
And I mean maybe that's what happens a lot. There's

1484
01:11:04,119 --> 01:11:06,840
sweat on someone's hands, it's humid in Florida, the cards

1485
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:10,159
get stuck together. You know, I think I saw I

1486
01:11:10,199 --> 01:11:12,640
want to say it was Christian Harder said that he

1487
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:14,439
played on the feature table and the cards were like

1488
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:17,880
almost magnetic in a weird way. So maybe they're elementary

1489
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:23,039
are a little and I mean he quickly looked he's

1490
01:11:23,079 --> 01:11:26,159
getting a massage like hes. I personally don't think there

1491
01:11:26,199 --> 01:11:31,279
was any sort of issue with him, like angling or

1492
01:11:31,279 --> 01:11:35,680
anything like that. I think it's outrageous that it's just

1493
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:38,279
ruled a dead hand. And I know you disagree.

1494
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 2: That's the ruling, Okay, and that makes sense.

1495
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:45,640
Speaker 1: Here's here's what I'll say. We need to get away

1496
01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:49,479
from the fact that rulings like this just need to

1497
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:53,880
be entirely black or white. I think, for probably, if

1498
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:55,640
I'm going to put a percentage on it, let's say

1499
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,640
eighty percent of rulings can probably be black or white.

1500
01:11:59,319 --> 01:12:02,560
This is the rule, this is the result of that rule, like,

1501
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:05,479
this is what happens. I think for the other twenty percent,

1502
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:10,399
we should probably use our judgment. Like when people go

1503
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:13,239
into a courtroom the judge, here's the evidence, and the

1504
01:12:13,319 --> 01:12:15,479
judge will sometimes say, you know what, this time, I'm

1505
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:17,239
going to give you a warning, sir, I know you

1506
01:12:17,239 --> 01:12:20,319
were speeding, don't f and speed again. Drive safe home.

1507
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:22,920
What the heck are you doing? Like they use their

1508
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:24,199
judgment at times.

1509
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:25,359
Speaker 2: I agree with that.

1510
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:29,119
Speaker 1: If we're paying rake as players, and that RAKE is

1511
01:12:29,199 --> 01:12:32,479
oftentimes increasing, you know, across the industry, I'm not going

1512
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:34,039
to speak specific to Samon, I'm just going to say

1513
01:12:34,039 --> 01:12:37,359
across the industry, and there are generally pretty good floor people.

1514
01:12:37,399 --> 01:12:39,600
I know that Seminole has good floor people. Yeah, like

1515
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:42,119
I you know, they always have really good floor people

1516
01:12:42,159 --> 01:12:44,000
that have been around the block that know they should

1517
01:12:44,039 --> 01:12:47,479
be able to make the judgment calls at times. Also,

1518
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:51,800
I think that if you in this case, you can

1519
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:55,000
look at the stream like I know, I know times

1520
01:12:55,039 --> 01:12:57,239
you can look at cameras. The camera qualities for the

1521
01:12:57,279 --> 01:13:00,079
overhead security cameras are not always the best, but the

1522
01:13:00,119 --> 01:13:02,800
streams they're in freaking four K. Like, let's go look

1523
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:05,119
at the tape and see exactly what happened. It's clear

1524
01:13:05,199 --> 01:13:08,319
that like the dealer pitched the two cards stuck together

1525
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:10,479
and he quickly looked. He never looks back at his

1526
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:12,800
hand the entire time, like it's just sitting there, he's

1527
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:15,079
getting a massage, like I don't know.

1528
01:13:15,119 --> 01:13:18,359
Speaker 3: There's also you should mention alongside that that regardless of

1529
01:13:18,359 --> 01:13:21,680
what two CODs he uses from his hand, still wins

1530
01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:23,720
the pot. Well, if he has the ace King, he

1531
01:13:23,720 --> 01:13:25,840
still wins, right because it was against King King Jack.

1532
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:28,560
Speaker 1: So I mean, I just I lean to give this

1533
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:31,439
player the benefit of the doubt. I know that there

1534
01:13:31,479 --> 01:13:34,319
are situations where people can possibly angle in this situation,

1535
01:13:34,479 --> 01:13:36,840
in this specific one, I feel like it's a it's

1536
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,439
a judgment call type of thing. I feel like it's

1537
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:42,600
a stern warning, you know, like I don't know, I

1538
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:46,000
just feel like just I feel like it's partly lazy

1539
01:13:46,079 --> 01:13:49,279
on the people who generate the rules to just say, like,

1540
01:13:49,359 --> 01:13:50,920
this is the rule, this is what we go with

1541
01:13:51,359 --> 01:13:53,960
as opposed to installing some sort of judgment call, because

1542
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:59,000
like again, when we're paying Rake, we're expecting for these

1543
01:13:59,039 --> 01:14:01,319
people to be experts to what they do, which in

1544
01:14:01,359 --> 01:14:03,960
this case, I believe that seminal people are. Then I

1545
01:14:04,399 --> 01:14:07,399
have confidence in them making some judgment calls in certain

1546
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:11,039
unique situations, very very unique situations. I will also say

1547
01:14:11,039 --> 01:14:13,159
that just defaulting to the fact that it's on the

1548
01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:16,880
players is ridiculous. This happened again, by the way, about

1549
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:19,920
twenty five minutes later, somebody was also dealt three cards,

1550
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:23,119
same sort of situation, Like is it just always the

1551
01:14:23,119 --> 01:14:24,920
player's fault or like can the dealer figure out how

1552
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:27,399
to pitch the cards? Like can we also worry about that?

1553
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:29,000
You know? So it's like it's like you can't just

1554
01:14:29,039 --> 01:14:32,359
like default be like, yeah, it's the player's fault, okay,

1555
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:35,319
Like to me, this is like faulty equipment. The two

1556
01:14:35,319 --> 01:14:38,359
things got stuck together. You know how stiff RFID cards are,

1557
01:14:38,399 --> 01:14:41,079
So like normally you peel three cards, you might be like, okay,

1558
01:14:41,079 --> 01:14:46,239
three cards, right. We already know that RFID cards are

1559
01:14:46,319 --> 01:14:48,960
very stiff, so if you're not used to peeling them regularly,

1560
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:50,880
you might just think, like, even if it feels a

1561
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:52,439
little bit stiffer than normal, you might just be like, well,

1562
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:54,880
it's RFID, they're stiff anyway. Yeah, right, So you're not

1563
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:58,439
gonna ever like really question it. So yeah, I don't know.

1564
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:00,159
And then also there's the aspect that I you know,

1565
01:15:00,159 --> 01:15:02,199
some people out there are like, well, why didn't the

1566
01:15:02,199 --> 01:15:04,359
card reader pick up that he had three cards? That's

1567
01:15:04,399 --> 01:15:08,079
not how this works. Like one, there's different programs for

1568
01:15:08,159 --> 01:15:10,000
like when you use poo and when you use hold

1569
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,640
them like, it's never going to populate four cards and

1570
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:15,960
hold them for a for you know, and do it

1571
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,760
like plo like, so it's not going to show three cards. Also,

1572
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:22,159
we always tell the players in the studio everywhere. I

1573
01:15:22,199 --> 01:15:24,119
know they probably tell them down there, you know, you're

1574
01:15:24,119 --> 01:15:26,920
supposed to spread your cards, put them on the reader

1575
01:15:27,119 --> 01:15:28,880
for a couple of seconds, and then put them back.

1576
01:15:29,319 --> 01:15:32,359
You know, so if he puts them like that, but

1577
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:34,119
two are still on top of each other, it's never

1578
01:15:34,159 --> 01:15:36,039
going to read that top card, or it's never going

1579
01:15:36,119 --> 01:15:38,399
to read one of the car it's not going to

1580
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:41,520
read one of the cards. So, you know, I think

1581
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:45,119
that's also part of it, you know. I just what

1582
01:15:45,199 --> 01:15:47,000
I would have done is and I wouldn't have done

1583
01:15:47,039 --> 01:15:48,640
like I think afterwards he like kind of freaked out

1584
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:50,039
and was like, why isn't it a chop pot? I

1585
01:15:50,079 --> 01:15:52,880
would have just reset everything. Again, this is on stream,

1586
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:55,800
and this is a unique situation. I'm not saying that

1587
01:15:56,319 --> 01:15:59,479
this result what I'm advocating for is something that should

1588
01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:02,279
be done everywhere, because obviously that can't be done, especially

1589
01:16:02,319 --> 01:16:04,520
when it's on non stream file tables, because then you

1590
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:06,880
have the issue of, like people, there's the potential that

1591
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:08,840
people angle more because it's not on a stream and

1592
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:11,680
you can't see everything. Here you can see everything. You

1593
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:14,880
can you know, walk it back, you can look at it,

1594
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:17,720
and then you can also reconstruct the pot perfectly, be

1595
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:19,920
like okay, everyone take the chips back. Miss deal. Let's

1596
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:23,800
move on, buddy. If this happens again, like not only

1597
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:25,279
is it a dead hand, you're getting a three round

1598
01:16:25,319 --> 01:16:27,479
penalty like like you know that sort of thing, like

1599
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:30,079
like that's what I personally think should have been done,

1600
01:16:30,399 --> 01:16:33,520
a break from the rules. Give your case.

1601
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:36,640
Speaker 3: I'm gonna agree with you on the fact that you know,

1602
01:16:37,399 --> 01:16:39,359
maybe some of these rules need to have Oh so

1603
01:16:39,399 --> 01:16:42,880
now you agree with a bit of leniency where you

1604
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:45,439
can make it up to the TV's discretion. Now, I

1605
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:47,479
don't know what rule seminal follows, but if they're following

1606
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:50,319
the rule book, then the spot on. Now let's wind

1607
01:16:50,399 --> 01:16:52,640
back to start. Whose fault is it? It's a bit

1608
01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:54,840
of both. Bit of bout the dealers that hey it

1609
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:56,840
wasn't didn't make sure that that pitch was a single

1610
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:57,239
cup pitch.

1611
01:16:57,279 --> 01:16:58,640
Speaker 2: It's also on the place to get that caught.

1612
01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:00,760
Speaker 1: Why can it also be no one's It's just the

1613
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:01,800
fact that the courts.

1614
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:04,319
Speaker 3: Together has to be someone's fault. You're dealing the cards.

1615
01:17:04,359 --> 01:17:08,119
That's the point courts stuck together. Point two point two

1616
01:17:08,159 --> 01:17:10,840
is also the players should make sure like I've been

1617
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:13,119
dealt three cards before playing hold of make how know

1618
01:17:13,159 --> 01:17:14,840
I got three cards or I haven't.

1619
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:16,159
Speaker 2: Been dealt a card on the button. That kind of

1620
01:17:16,199 --> 01:17:18,000
stuff happens a lot. Now.

1621
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 3: The way the rule is written, I think it's it's

1622
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:26,159
completely fine because the rules are written to protect players, Okay,

1623
01:17:26,359 --> 01:17:29,000
and I'm not saying that he is trying to angle

1624
01:17:29,039 --> 01:17:32,720
and like you know, we've brought that up, but it's otherwise.

1625
01:17:33,079 --> 01:17:35,520
It's written so he can't. You can't free roll someone.

1626
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:37,520
What I mean by that is you're dealt three cards.

1627
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:40,439
You oh, I've got three cards. Well, I know, let's

1628
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:42,319
say it's the rules written your way, we chop it.

1629
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:45,399
I can just free roll this play. I can just bet, bet, bet,

1630
01:17:45,439 --> 01:17:46,840
But he calls on the end of oh I got

1631
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:49,039
three cards, I chop it up. I'm basically I can

1632
01:17:49,079 --> 01:17:51,439
free roll opponent. So I'm trying. The rules are in

1633
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:53,960
to protect, not the guy with three cards. It's to

1634
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:56,279
protect the guy doesn't have three cards. And I think

1635
01:17:56,279 --> 01:17:58,640
it's fine. I understand. I like what you're saying that.

1636
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:01,000
You know, like there's gonna be times where we've all

1637
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:04,239
played poker. We've been dealt two jacks and it comes

1638
01:18:04,359 --> 01:18:06,680
all clubs and you know you have a black jack.

1639
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:08,880
You check your cards, right, there's gonna be times where

1640
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:11,319
you could potentially be dealt three cards and they're three aces,

1641
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:12,560
and you don't really think twice.

1642
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:13,479
Speaker 2: You just squeeze.

1643
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 3: You might have squeezed all three, but you might have

1644
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:17,760
just thought you had a black ace, so you didn't

1645
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:20,239
think too much of it. Another time is have it

1646
01:18:20,319 --> 01:18:22,199
if a dealer deals that second card and it's stuck

1647
01:18:22,279 --> 01:18:24,840
under a napkin or stuck under the rail, that's.

1648
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:26,359
Speaker 2: Not your fault right at all.

1649
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:29,680
Speaker 3: So I definitely agree that maybe we do need some,

1650
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:34,560
you know, TD discretion with certain rules. This is one

1651
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:36,399
where you could obviously look at his hand and be like,

1652
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:38,800
you either had two kings for a full house, or

1653
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:41,039
you had ace King for two pair with the best

1654
01:18:41,079 --> 01:18:44,079
kicker you win anyway. I don't think there's anything malicious

1655
01:18:44,079 --> 01:18:47,720
here him arguing I'm arguing that I would have a

1656
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:48,720
value at Ace King.

1657
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:49,399
Speaker 2: I don't think that.

1658
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:52,079
Speaker 1: Also, the fact that the way that this one played

1659
01:18:52,079 --> 01:18:54,560
out where he were in the position that he was in,

1660
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:57,720
we also don't know if his first card doubled up

1661
01:18:57,800 --> 01:18:59,399
or his second card double up, but it messed up

1662
01:18:59,399 --> 01:19:01,720
the entire world. The whole hand is off, the whole

1663
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:04,000
hands off, the full hand is wrong. Yeah, like it's

1664
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:06,039
one wrong here, but.

1665
01:19:06,079 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 3: That's just the normal thing where it's like significant action then,

1666
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:08,880
but it's.

1667
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:10,399
Speaker 1: Not like it's not like if she would have dealt,

1668
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:12,279
if the dealer would have dealt all the cards and

1669
01:19:12,279 --> 01:19:14,720
then dealt an extra card to the small blind, everyone

1670
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:17,000
else's hands, everyone's house. So it's a little bit different.

1671
01:19:17,039 --> 01:19:20,880
This is like literally everyone's hand is wrong. It's just wrong.

1672
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:24,279
Speaker 2: Except the blinds. Right, huh except the blinds.

1673
01:19:24,399 --> 01:19:26,319
Speaker 1: Well, it depends when that card. I thought you said

1674
01:19:26,359 --> 01:19:27,720
it was his second cun I don't know if it

1675
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:29,119
was a second card or not. We don't know.

1676
01:19:29,159 --> 01:19:33,920
Speaker 3: We justly pitches to him twice. So yeah, potentially either way,

1677
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:36,319
you are great. Does throw off the whole hand. But

1678
01:19:36,359 --> 01:19:39,000
then that's the other role with the significant action rule,

1679
01:19:39,039 --> 01:19:41,239
which also.

1680
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:42,640
Speaker 1: It throws off the whole hand, It throws off the flow,

1681
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:44,039
it throws off literally everything.

1682
01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 2: As the rule is. I think it's I would also.

1683
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:51,840
Speaker 1: Rather be where they reconstruct the hand, give everyone their

1684
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:54,920
chips back, and then issue the guy a penalty. I

1685
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:57,720
think that's a better ruling than him just losing the pot.

1686
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:02,079
Oh ok saying so I'd be like, listen, you you

1687
01:20:02,159 --> 01:20:06,319
played the hand with three cards. Now, I can't judge intent.

1688
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:08,760
If I'm the TD, I can't judge intent, but I'm

1689
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:11,479
putting you on a one round penalty. It's it's the

1690
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:15,560
same thing like when when people who are beginner players

1691
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:17,960
they check back the river with the nuts, and we

1692
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:20,399
were giving people one round penalties for that. Yeah, Like,

1693
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:25,199
are you like you're you can't judge intent? Okay, Now

1694
01:20:25,279 --> 01:20:27,039
some people that might have been playing with people might

1695
01:20:27,039 --> 01:20:29,079
be like, yeah, this person's clearly new, they didn't mean

1696
01:20:29,119 --> 01:20:31,520
it whatever, you know, but it doesn't matter. The rule

1697
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:33,560
is a one round penalty. We're not going to judge intent.

1698
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:35,239
So here I would be like, we're not going to

1699
01:20:35,319 --> 01:20:39,039
judge intent, but because this hand is so fed up, okay,

1700
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:41,640
we're gonna give you a one round penalty, but you're

1701
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:45,760
gonna get your chips back. I think I'm not saying

1702
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:47,279
that that's the way that I would go. I would

1703
01:20:47,319 --> 01:20:49,039
go with what I said first, but I'm saying I

1704
01:20:49,079 --> 01:20:52,439
think that is better than him losing all his chips.

1705
01:20:53,199 --> 01:20:55,720
That's where it gets like, this hand should not have happened.

1706
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:58,840
And I've said this before on this podcast. In situations

1707
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:01,600
when the hand should literally not have happened, why don't

1708
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:04,159
we just take it all back. We have the ability

1709
01:21:04,199 --> 01:21:07,079
in most cases to take it all back. Yeah, So,

1710
01:21:07,119 --> 01:21:08,760
like I don't know, like, especially in this case where

1711
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:13,279
it's on a stream, just take it back. Like it

1712
01:21:13,279 --> 01:21:16,000
it seems so ridiculous that this person just loses a

1713
01:21:16,039 --> 01:21:19,399
bunch of their chips because of some faulty equipment, like

1714
01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:23,479
two cards got stuck together, like it just happens, you know. Yeah,

1715
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:27,159
Like it's that seems so ridiculous to me in a

1716
01:21:27,199 --> 01:21:30,680
world when I'm supposed to believe that that tournament staff

1717
01:21:31,119 --> 01:21:33,439
are experts and if that's the case, which I tend

1718
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:35,680
to believe, yes that is the case, then I would

1719
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:40,159
trust them in very very very unique situations to make

1720
01:21:40,199 --> 01:21:44,399
a judgment call. But now if that judgment call turns

1721
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:46,600
into abuse and we find out this player is then

1722
01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:50,000
doing it more later on, then it's like okay, buddy, listen,

1723
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:52,800
Like you're gonna get a three round penalty, You're possibly

1724
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:55,720
just gonna get snapdecued. Like it's just it's getting ridiculous

1725
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:57,279
at this point, like that, like I would, I would,

1726
01:21:57,359 --> 01:22:00,359
I would fast track it in that regard, But this

1727
01:22:00,399 --> 01:22:04,479
first one just seems so like crazy, and it's again

1728
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:08,399
it's such a unique situation and unique situations, I think

1729
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:11,800
you have to kind of think things through, take in

1730
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:14,439
all the evidence, use some common sense, and not just

1731
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:16,039
be like, well, this is what the rule book says,

1732
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:19,880
Like I would be curious. I haven't read the entire

1733
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:21,880
rule book. I'm not ever going to do that, but like,

1734
01:22:22,279 --> 01:22:25,520
what is the rule book on penalties? Because penalties seem

1735
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:29,319
largely judgment calls. Some floors might give a one round penalty,

1736
01:22:29,399 --> 01:22:31,399
some might give a warning, some might give three rounds,

1737
01:22:31,399 --> 01:22:33,840
some might give a hand Like what is actually are

1738
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:36,279
the actual rules or are all the rules judgment calls?

1739
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:40,520
Because one I'll say that, Okay, if there are hard

1740
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:45,479
rules for penalties, but then you're doing judgment calls, then

1741
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:48,199
the ability to break from the rules is there? Or

1742
01:22:49,079 --> 01:22:51,600
if the rules say you make a judgment call on penalties,

1743
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:55,039
then why can't there also be judgment calls. I don't know.

1744
01:22:55,079 --> 01:22:58,680
I personally just feel like this was a bit much

1745
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:01,000
to just give the other guy. It just seems.

1746
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:05,800
Speaker 2: Ridiculous to me looking. Yeah, I don't get the TV, but.

1747
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:08,119
Speaker 1: Like the TDA rules. Also, I read an article on

1748
01:23:08,159 --> 01:23:10,840
poker dot org where they talked with Matt Savage who

1749
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:12,960
obviously talks you know, works with them on this sort

1750
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:14,840
of stuff. There was a quote in there from Matt

1751
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:17,279
shout out Matt Savage, where see he said that he

1752
01:23:17,359 --> 01:23:18,159
sees this a.

1753
01:23:18,079 --> 01:23:21,279
Speaker 2: Lot is a very short one.

1754
01:23:21,319 --> 01:23:25,199
Speaker 1: Have you seen this ever? I have literally never said something. No, okay,

1755
01:23:25,279 --> 01:23:28,439
there's three cards, but there's three cards in the position

1756
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:30,439
that this guy was in, meaning he was clearly dealt

1757
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:33,159
to at the same time. How many hands of tournament

1758
01:23:33,159 --> 01:23:37,199
poker have you covered and played? Have you ever seen this?

1759
01:23:37,279 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 3: I've seen it a surprisingly a lot amount of times,

1760
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:42,439
but not like it the way he's saying it, And

1761
01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:43,039
I think.

1762
01:23:43,199 --> 01:23:45,039
Speaker 1: Like, there's I have I have never seen this like

1763
01:23:45,039 --> 01:23:45,640
I've seen people.

1764
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:49,279
Speaker 3: I've seen it where it's like it's been when I

1765
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:51,520
played poker last week and it happened.

1766
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:54,359
Speaker 1: I've seen it with a small blinde gets done in like.

1767
01:23:54,319 --> 01:23:56,560
Speaker 3: Middle position and like then the deal is like, oh

1768
01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:59,119
wait a second, Uh the top CODs is the bottom

1769
01:23:59,199 --> 01:24:01,760
cards his? But that's more like the players the cards

1770
01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:03,319
are all over the place. No, but like I've seen

1771
01:24:03,319 --> 01:24:05,720
two cards come out. I reckon I would see two

1772
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:08,600
cards have come out. I would say average wants every

1773
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:10,239
like three PoCA session.

1774
01:24:10,119 --> 01:24:12,039
Speaker 1: But have you seen it where what I'm saying is

1775
01:24:12,279 --> 01:24:14,600
we're like literally the cards stuck together. So like you

1776
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:17,079
don't know that's what That's what I'm saying. I've seen

1777
01:24:17,119 --> 01:24:19,439
two cards come out, yes, but like you have, I

1778
01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:21,399
don't think I've ever seen it where like it gets

1779
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:23,720
like you can watch the pitch, it does not look

1780
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:26,239
like two cards at all at any point, Like it's

1781
01:24:26,319 --> 01:24:30,079
clearly you know, one looks they're just stuck together. It's like,

1782
01:24:30,119 --> 01:24:32,159
I don't know how you can see that in that position.

1783
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:34,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if I've ever seen it like that.

1784
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:37,479
But yeah, so I'm not as a strong word from

1785
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:39,039
missus Savage.

1786
01:24:39,039 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 1: No, I know what you're saying. Normally, like you know,

1787
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:43,319
two cards kind of come out, they're kind of close

1788
01:24:43,359 --> 01:24:45,359
to each other because they break apart at some point

1789
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:47,399
and it's like, well which card's mind? Which card's not

1790
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:48,760
on the doers, Like, well, that one's yours and that

1791
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:51,479
one's yours. You know that that happens a fair amount, yes,

1792
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:53,760
but never that the card is fully made it into

1793
01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:56,920
the guy's hand, you know, without breaking it all. Yeah,

1794
01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:59,560
because even if it I've I think i've seen it

1795
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:01,720
where like it's gotten pretty close and the dealer will

1796
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:04,079
be like, oh, there's two cards, Like the dealer snap

1797
01:25:04,159 --> 01:25:07,600
knows right, So it's just just yeah. Again, I think

1798
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:11,319
this is an entirely unique situation that calls for a

1799
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:15,159
unique ruling right now. Again, this should not be the

1800
01:25:15,239 --> 01:25:17,720
rule at all times, and not everything should be a

1801
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:20,960
judgment call. The majority of stuff, the large majority of

1802
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:23,199
stuff should be this is the rule, this is what happens.

1803
01:25:23,199 --> 01:25:25,079
This is like the penalty or this is the ruling

1804
01:25:25,199 --> 01:25:28,680
or whatever the result in this situation. I don't know.

1805
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:31,520
I think it's a bit much like I go back

1806
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:36,039
to the hand with with Gail Bauman and Andre karaknai

1807
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:40,520
w is a main event where like isn't the rule

1808
01:25:41,239 --> 01:25:44,760
that he had he said call or set all in

1809
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:47,880
or whatever, so like he has to call, yeah, you know,

1810
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:50,159
and it's like okay, but and then but then they

1811
01:25:50,199 --> 01:25:51,560
made a judgment call and they said, you know, you're

1812
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:54,279
not going to use your lose your tournament life because

1813
01:25:54,279 --> 01:25:56,720
you didn't see it, Like that was a judgment call.

1814
01:25:57,279 --> 01:26:00,680
But isn't the rule Like all the people saying like, listen,

1815
01:26:01,079 --> 01:26:03,039
you're the player, you gotta protect yourself. Well, if he

1816
01:26:03,039 --> 01:26:04,720
didn't see it, so you see the rays and set

1817
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:07,039
all in and she's got two kings. I mean, I'm sorry,

1818
01:26:07,039 --> 01:26:08,520
she's got to call you buddy, and your tips are

1819
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:09,960
in the middle. That's just how it is.

1820
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:11,760
Speaker 2: Like, no, no, that makes sense.

1821
01:26:12,079 --> 01:26:18,479
Speaker 1: So anyway, that's my uh my rant on that I

1822
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:21,840
have another uh I have a take. Okay, there's been

1823
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:23,880
a lot of conversation I think, feel like in the

1824
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:26,680
past week or two, and it's mostly Daniel m'growney and

1825
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:29,720
Matt Savage are like going at it about this clock situation.

1826
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:32,800
Like one mgran who's in some article I think on

1827
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:35,199
poker dot org saying like, don't call it an action clock.

1828
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:38,279
You know, I don't know, so I think he's like

1829
01:26:38,319 --> 01:26:41,399
half joking. But also like obviously Savage works for WPT

1830
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:45,199
and they have the action clock, like it's trademark that clock.

1831
01:26:45,279 --> 01:26:49,199
I like the term action clock, Like I wish that

1832
01:26:49,239 --> 01:26:51,119
it wasn't trademark so that we could use that everywhere

1833
01:26:51,159 --> 01:26:54,000
because I hate calling you the shot clock. Like mgrannio says, like,

1834
01:26:54,039 --> 01:26:55,920
we're not calling it an action clock, it's a shot clock. Well,

1835
01:26:56,000 --> 01:26:58,680
there's no shots in poker. We took it from the NBA,

1836
01:26:59,079 --> 01:27:00,880
is what we did. Because we're easy as poker people

1837
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:03,279
and we're not creative at all, but that's how we are.

1838
01:27:03,319 --> 01:27:06,000
Speaker 3: I don't know the PGT sholock. I would not call

1839
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:07,720
it a shot clock, but okay, that's probably right.

1840
01:27:08,039 --> 01:27:08,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1841
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:13,520
Speaker 1: My new thought is that clocks everywhere in poker, the

1842
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:16,279
the the action clocks, the play clocks, the shock clocks,

1843
01:27:16,319 --> 01:27:18,880
whatever the heck you want to call them, Like we're

1844
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:22,680
giving these guys too much time? Okay. My thought is

1845
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:28,000
that isn't the point of this to actually create some

1846
01:27:28,279 --> 01:27:32,600
urgency in poker? And it never becomes a thing, Whereas

1847
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:34,920
if you want to go look at the NBA, the

1848
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:37,880
shot clock in the NBA becomes a part of a

1849
01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:40,880
game multiple times a game. The play clock in the

1850
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:44,079
NFL becomes part of the game multiple times a game.

1851
01:27:45,239 --> 01:27:48,119
I feel like these clocks in poker, with these time extensions,

1852
01:27:48,119 --> 01:27:51,880
like never become a thing. It's so rare. Shouldn't it

1853
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:55,039
be more of a thing? Like why should people get

1854
01:27:55,039 --> 01:27:56,640
the found tables and they have thirty of these fin

1855
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:59,039
things and like they can just take seven minutes.

1856
01:27:59,239 --> 01:28:01,880
Speaker 2: That's on the upright them more than anything.

1857
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:03,760
Speaker 1: But that's what I'm saying, Like, shouldn't we shouldn't there

1858
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:07,079
be less times that if these are in play, shouldn't

1859
01:28:07,119 --> 01:28:10,000
they they be in play also to create more urgency,

1860
01:28:10,159 --> 01:28:11,800
And then it becomes more of a thing. It becomes

1861
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:13,119
more involved in the competition.

1862
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:16,119
Speaker 3: It becomes more like everything is urgent, much different to

1863
01:28:16,119 --> 01:28:17,760
what it was to say, five to ten years ago.

1864
01:28:18,399 --> 01:28:21,720
Now there's not four minutes every straight like you have time,

1865
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:24,960
you have a set shot clock, and you have time extensions.

1866
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:27,199
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I feel like it's not I

1867
01:28:27,239 --> 01:28:31,800
feel like it's not as urgent as the intention is

1868
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:33,359
originally set out for it to be.

1869
01:28:34,239 --> 01:28:37,880
Speaker 3: I think the intention was to prevent the long tanks

1870
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:40,199
and long delays. I think it's done that now people

1871
01:28:40,319 --> 01:28:40,800
abuse that.

1872
01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:43,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, but some people would say the opposite. I'm not

1873
01:28:43,399 --> 01:28:46,000
saying I would, but some people say that it's worse

1874
01:28:46,039 --> 01:28:48,920
with clocks because people take the full thirty seconds or

1875
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:49,600
the full twenty.

1876
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:51,520
Speaker 3: Second, and then once that happens, we started making change

1877
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:55,640
twenty second and it's it's never going to be perfect.

1878
01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:58,560
There's going to be people that find ways so abuse

1879
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:01,800
every rule in poker. Wow, Until we can invent a

1880
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:06,399
live like we have online, like a chess clock. Yeah,

1881
01:29:07,159 --> 01:29:09,720
until someone can patent that and do that live. I

1882
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:11,279
think we're always going to have issues, and it's just

1883
01:29:11,359 --> 01:29:16,720
about trying to perfect the clock as much as we can.

1884
01:29:17,039 --> 01:29:19,760
And we've made changes every season here with the amount

1885
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:23,159
of time extensions, with the twenty seconds pre the thirty

1886
01:29:23,199 --> 01:29:25,319
posts all that, and everyone is always going to keep

1887
01:29:25,359 --> 01:29:28,840
making changes to find what's best, so adjust as needed.

1888
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:30,640
Speaker 2: It's just hot, it's just really hard.

1889
01:29:31,039 --> 01:29:33,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just I could be entirely wrong here in

1890
01:29:34,079 --> 01:29:36,800
terms of like what I think I see, But I

1891
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:39,800
feel like I'm in commentary boosts enough now that when

1892
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:41,800
it comes to final tables, I just don't feel like

1893
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:46,159
the clock becomes a pressing point as often as it

1894
01:29:46,199 --> 01:29:49,279
may should or as it should be, like it should

1895
01:29:49,319 --> 01:29:51,560
be a factor more that like you're running out of

1896
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:55,079
time extensions, you have to act quicker, Like I don't know,

1897
01:29:55,199 --> 01:29:56,800
it's just interesting to me, Like I feel like it's

1898
01:29:56,800 --> 01:29:58,439
just not really an issue if you just play like

1899
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:02,640
halfway normal, it's just it's just fine. You're never really

1900
01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:05,760
a risk. It's like, maybe do we want to increase

1901
01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:08,159
that risk a little bit? And it would it lead

1902
01:30:08,199 --> 01:30:09,760
to a better entertainment.

1903
01:30:09,319 --> 01:30:11,520
Speaker 2: From prevy aspect, Like it feels like you're coming.

1904
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:14,880
Speaker 1: I think aspect well, I think, but I think originally

1905
01:30:15,399 --> 01:30:18,479
the clocks were put into play for entertainment.

1906
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:22,199
Speaker 2: No, I disagree, completely disagree.

1907
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:26,399
Speaker 3: Why I think that'll put it in to prevent we

1908
01:30:26,399 --> 01:30:29,000
were round when the first action clock, remember the first

1909
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:32,239
action clock was WPT chucktaw like twenty seventeen.

1910
01:30:32,319 --> 01:30:35,159
Speaker 1: Yes, but it was. It was, if I remember it correctly.

1911
01:30:35,239 --> 01:30:38,479
It's because everyone was complaining that poker is taking so long.

1912
01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:39,079
Speaker 2: If but that was.

1913
01:30:39,159 --> 01:30:41,000
Speaker 1: I don't think that was like the TV is is.

1914
01:30:41,239 --> 01:30:43,039
But I'm not saying I'm not saying entertainment in forms

1915
01:30:43,079 --> 01:30:44,840
of TV. I'm saying entertainment in terms of like the

1916
01:30:44,840 --> 01:30:45,920
actual playing product.

1917
01:30:47,119 --> 01:30:49,920
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, but that's yeah, that's that's that's what we agree.

1918
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:52,199
Speaker 1: Ones Like when I sit down at a table, I

1919
01:30:52,239 --> 01:30:55,119
don't want to play five hands an hour, like I

1920
01:30:55,159 --> 01:30:56,239
want to play more hands.

1921
01:30:56,439 --> 01:30:57,039
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah.

1922
01:30:57,079 --> 01:30:59,479
Speaker 1: I think every time I think falls to some degree

1923
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:05,319
in an a teamment bucket.

1924
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:07,359
Speaker 3: A Venetian to play the three hundred something I'll be tomorrow,

1925
01:31:08,399 --> 01:31:11,079
But there's also a three hundred dollars at the Venetian

1926
01:31:11,159 --> 01:31:13,159
on the other side of the room. One has a

1927
01:31:13,159 --> 01:31:15,720
shot clock from the start. One has the normal Venetian

1928
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:17,439
rules or the shot clocks like in the money right,

1929
01:31:17,479 --> 01:31:19,199
which one do you play?

1930
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:21,520
Speaker 1: I mean fell sizes are the same, Yeah, I mean

1931
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:23,920
obviously you probably play the shot clock.

1932
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:25,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I would agree.

1933
01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:27,159
Speaker 3: The reason we don't have shot clocks in every event

1934
01:31:27,239 --> 01:31:30,920
is just the amount of you know, the logistics behind

1935
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:32,920
it having clocks at every table. We need a lot

1936
01:31:32,920 --> 01:31:34,880
of time intensions. It's a lot of it's a bit

1937
01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:37,640
more labor, et cetera. But I think everyone would agree

1938
01:31:37,640 --> 01:31:39,920
that having a shot clock from the side is better

1939
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:42,359
in all events. But there is more tour than that.

1940
01:31:42,399 --> 01:31:44,720
There is the labor aspect. Does every table have a

1941
01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:47,319
clock for us? You know, we need enough iPads if

1942
01:31:47,359 --> 01:31:49,520
you're a Venetian where they have tablets and built into

1943
01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:51,159
the things, that's doable.

1944
01:31:51,239 --> 01:31:55,479
Speaker 1: But I think it's I think players ultimately use a

1945
01:31:55,479 --> 01:31:59,600
fair amount of their time extensions throughout a tournament. I

1946
01:31:59,680 --> 01:32:02,600
just don't think we're getting as close to zero as

1947
01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:07,680
we might want to be. Yeah, like people like fully

1948
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:10,520
running out of them, like when you run out of

1949
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:14,439
timeouts and a sporting events just out of timeouts. Yeah,

1950
01:32:14,479 --> 01:32:17,520
but that's what I'm saying. But like it's it's very

1951
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:20,359
like you have to like really manage it because you

1952
01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:22,479
only get like three and a half for the NFL,

1953
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:25,920
for example. But I'm saying, like, you get huh is.

1954
01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:27,359
Speaker 2: It you get three and a half timeouts? Is that

1955
01:32:27,359 --> 01:32:28,119
what you just said?

1956
01:32:28,279 --> 01:32:30,560
Speaker 1: No, I said three and a half three in a half?

1957
01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:31,880
Speaker 2: Oh, I think I said three and a half.

1958
01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:33,880
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I don't know what you get TV

1959
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:36,159
time out and then non TV time aut Yes, you

1960
01:32:36,199 --> 01:32:37,600
have to manage it. That's part of the strategy, just

1961
01:32:37,640 --> 01:32:39,079
like you have to manage your chips. I think that's

1962
01:32:39,159 --> 01:32:41,239
part of the evolution of Parker. I don't think there's

1963
01:32:41,239 --> 01:32:42,199
anything wrong with that at all.

1964
01:32:42,760 --> 01:32:44,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, But what I'm saying is that if if people

1965
01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:49,560
aren't using them as often, and if people aren't getting

1966
01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:54,560
aren't risking getting close to zero, doesn't that mean that

1967
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:56,520
we're giving them too much time to begin with?

1968
01:32:57,079 --> 01:33:00,239
Speaker 3: Sure, and time extentis should be adjusted according to the

1969
01:33:00,319 --> 01:33:02,119
event and the buying and the length of the event,

1970
01:33:02,279 --> 01:33:04,920
just like we have different amount of time extensions as

1971
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:08,479
the buying's increase, right, and depending on our event, like

1972
01:33:08,479 --> 01:33:10,000
to say, the three hundred k super higher all the

1973
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:12,079
ball you get more the next day and then you

1974
01:33:12,119 --> 01:33:13,119
get more at the final table.

1975
01:33:13,760 --> 01:33:16,239
Speaker 1: I feel like your first action could probably be ten seconds,

1976
01:33:16,520 --> 01:33:17,359
they could probably be five.

1977
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:21,680
Speaker 3: Then we're now adding a logistics aspect where okay, dealers

1978
01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:24,159
that have been trained, you know with twenty or thirty

1979
01:33:24,239 --> 01:33:25,000
or thirty thirty.

1980
01:33:25,319 --> 01:33:27,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean back to your point of you you

1981
01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:29,399
need the different type of clock.

1982
01:33:29,720 --> 01:33:32,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, you need to educate the players and the staffing.

1983
01:33:32,079 --> 01:33:33,600
So there's a lot to it. And I yeah, I

1984
01:33:33,640 --> 01:33:35,760
think we're going to agree with a lot of these things.

1985
01:33:36,159 --> 01:33:38,199
Speaker 1: I feel like we should be developing that sort of clock.

1986
01:33:38,399 --> 01:33:39,439
Speaker 2: I think about it a lot.

1987
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:42,520
Speaker 1: And I because we have a very controlled space at

1988
01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:44,159
the end of the day, Like we we're in the

1989
01:33:44,239 --> 01:33:49,680
Propago studio right now, and you know there's a maximum

1990
01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:53,399
sixteen tables in here at an absolute maximum. It might

1991
01:33:53,399 --> 01:33:55,159
not even be that many, might be fifteen, I don't know,

1992
01:33:55,199 --> 01:34:00,840
but whatever. But because it's so controlled, like I feel like,

1993
01:34:01,039 --> 01:34:03,279
you know, it's it's it's either going to be us

1994
01:34:03,359 --> 01:34:04,199
or it's going to be Triton.

1995
01:34:05,119 --> 01:34:06,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's right.

1996
01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:08,399
Speaker 1: I mean maybe it's ws AP as it relates to

1997
01:34:08,399 --> 01:34:10,600
like WSP Paradise, but like I don't think you can

1998
01:34:10,600 --> 01:34:12,239
just develop something for like was be ma an event

1999
01:34:12,279 --> 01:34:13,159
from day one, A like that.

2000
01:34:13,079 --> 01:34:14,079
Speaker 2: Would just because's a way to do it.

2001
01:34:14,079 --> 01:34:16,479
Speaker 3: Everyone needs basically like some version of an iPad, but

2002
01:34:16,520 --> 01:34:18,720
then you need to put on the table, needs to

2003
01:34:18,760 --> 01:34:21,560
plug in controlled by the d LA. Like there's a

2004
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:23,359
lot to it, and I think it's going to take.

2005
01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:25,720
I think we're a couple of years away from figuring

2006
01:34:25,720 --> 01:34:29,239
it all out. You know it will get someone will

2007
01:34:30,079 --> 01:34:30,600
agree with.

2008
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:32,399
Speaker 1: You, I agree with you, and this I was thinking

2009
01:34:32,399 --> 01:34:37,000
about this maybe a week ago in that I was

2010
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:40,800
actually watching an old episode the first season of the

2011
01:34:40,920 --> 01:34:43,119
National Heads of Poker Championship, which you put on Poker

2012
01:34:43,119 --> 01:34:45,720
Go Yeah, which is now available on Poker It's also

2013
01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:49,279
on YouTube. But Henry Ornstein was in that first episode

2014
01:34:49,319 --> 01:34:52,039
or first seas step right, and he obviously invented the

2015
01:34:52,039 --> 01:34:54,279
whole card cam and all that sort of stuff. And like,

2016
01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:56,960
I was trying to think about how that came about,

2017
01:34:57,560 --> 01:34:59,560
and I don't really know exactly, but what I'm thinking

2018
01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:02,560
of is probably at some point there was a conversation

2019
01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:06,319
like how do we show these cards? Yeah, and I'm

2020
01:35:06,319 --> 01:35:08,239
sure they might. I don't know how long it took

2021
01:35:08,279 --> 01:35:10,880
from that like thought or conversation to when it was

2022
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:14,800
actually developed, but I'm sure there was plenty of ideas

2023
01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:16,760
and brainstorming thrown around, just kind of like.

2024
01:35:16,760 --> 01:35:19,119
Speaker 2: Everyone simple, it's like, oh, just put a camera that. Okay,

2025
01:35:19,239 --> 01:35:19,920
let's maybe.

2026
01:35:19,720 --> 01:35:22,439
Speaker 1: Listen it was maybe it was maybe it was just

2027
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:23,760
that simple, right.

2028
01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:26,840
Speaker 2: You kind of simplify a chess clock. Okay.

2029
01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:30,279
Speaker 1: What I'm what I'm getting at is that I think

2030
01:35:30,439 --> 01:35:34,279
that when my result of this thought process that I

2031
01:35:34,319 --> 01:35:36,880
was having is when we get to that point where

2032
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:41,000
there is the poker's version of a chess clock, I

2033
01:35:41,039 --> 01:35:44,279
think there's a great, fairly reasonable potential that we're going

2034
01:35:44,319 --> 01:35:47,199
to be like, oh, why didn't we think of that?

2035
01:35:47,439 --> 01:35:50,000
Like it was so easy and somebody did it, and

2036
01:35:50,039 --> 01:35:51,479
we were all going to be like why didn't we

2037
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:53,079
think of just doing it like that? I feel like

2038
01:35:53,119 --> 01:35:54,560
that's I feel like that's going to be a thing.

2039
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:58,399
Speaker 3: I've thought about it a lot more than probably I

2040
01:35:58,439 --> 01:35:59,520
would be in the top.

2041
01:35:59,359 --> 01:36:02,439
Speaker 1: Five percent of I'm sure you are, and it's just.

2042
01:36:02,359 --> 01:36:06,399
Speaker 3: Like I just really can't like get my head around

2043
01:36:06,479 --> 01:36:09,119
how to you know, Like I said, I think it's

2044
01:36:09,239 --> 01:36:12,079
I think it's buying a bunch of phones that are

2045
01:36:12,079 --> 01:36:14,840
like locked to the player, and that's like locked you know,

2046
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:17,760
somehow bluetooth to an iPad. That's the only way I

2047
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:20,439
can I just I'm not a technology like I wouldn't

2048
01:36:20,439 --> 01:36:22,359
know how to code that. So we need to find

2049
01:36:22,359 --> 01:36:23,119
someone to code that.

2050
01:36:24,520 --> 01:36:26,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think you could easily find someone to

2051
01:36:26,079 --> 01:36:27,920
code that. I bet you. I bet you could figure

2052
01:36:27,960 --> 01:36:31,520
it out using AI programs if you spend.

2053
01:36:32,439 --> 01:36:36,560
Speaker 3: Spend enough time on it, like the PGT really kicks in,

2054
01:36:37,079 --> 01:36:38,399
maybe I can figure it out with it.

2055
01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:41,119
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's it's so someone.

2056
01:36:41,119 --> 01:36:43,399
Speaker 1: Like I just think at some point someone's going to

2057
01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:46,199
be like what, like they're gonna do it. It's gonna

2058
01:36:46,199 --> 01:36:48,079
get done. I think for sure it's gonna get done,

2059
01:36:48,159 --> 01:36:49,840
just a matter of time when it gets done, and

2060
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:52,199
I think a lot of us are going to be like, oh,

2061
01:36:53,279 --> 01:36:57,399
it wasn't that hard, Like we not that it's super easy, right,

2062
01:36:57,920 --> 01:36:59,319
like you know, cutting a hole in a thing, put

2063
01:36:59,399 --> 01:37:02,359
a camera right like, but it's it's probably not gonna

2064
01:37:02,359 --> 01:37:05,000
be as hard as we think, and we're gonna be like, oh,

2065
01:37:05,039 --> 01:37:07,239
we could have thought of that or oh prog.

2066
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:09,439
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, that's pretty easy.

2067
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:11,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that's what I think. There's more like

2068
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:14,520
that's my thought of how it's going to result.

2069
01:37:14,279 --> 01:37:16,039
Speaker 3: But there's just so there's so much more to it

2070
01:37:16,119 --> 01:37:18,399
underneath that you know we wouldn't be privy to.

2071
01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:22,760
Speaker 1: I mean sure, yeah, but I also feel like, oh, like, oh,

2072
01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:24,680
we could have we could have done that.

2073
01:37:25,039 --> 01:37:26,560
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's a lot of smart people trying to

2074
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:27,039
figure this out.

2075
01:37:27,079 --> 01:37:29,920
Speaker 3: I'm sure try and I'm sure gg have've all tried

2076
01:37:29,920 --> 01:37:32,520
to figure this out. But yeah, I agree with you

2077
01:37:32,640 --> 01:37:35,439
in our space with you know, the max fourteen fifteen tables,

2078
01:37:35,800 --> 01:37:37,079
we should we should have more.

2079
01:37:37,439 --> 01:37:39,560
Speaker 1: I mean, could it also be like the chest clock

2080
01:37:39,640 --> 01:37:44,520
is where you literally have to hit a button's.

2081
01:37:42,680 --> 01:37:44,800
Speaker 3: A timing thing. Then that's like I could just take

2082
01:37:44,840 --> 01:37:47,039
one extra second to press it. I can press it earlier,

2083
01:37:47,039 --> 01:37:51,439
but it's your own button. Yeah, but like it's my clock,

2084
01:37:51,479 --> 01:37:54,479
so it's always like okay, he's action finishes, So now

2085
01:37:54,520 --> 01:37:55,640
I'm supposed to press mine.

2086
01:37:56,760 --> 01:37:59,039
Speaker 1: You don't press I press.

2087
01:37:59,039 --> 01:38:01,520
Speaker 3: So that But okay, So then we need seven shot

2088
01:38:01,560 --> 01:38:03,720
clocks all connect, seven chess clocks all connected.

2089
01:38:03,880 --> 01:38:05,319
Speaker 2: What happens when the table breaks?

2090
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:08,199
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, like I'm not putting much

2091
01:38:08,239 --> 01:38:10,000
thought into this, but I'm saying like it's gonna be

2092
01:38:10,039 --> 01:38:10,960
something that that's like you.

2093
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:13,680
Speaker 3: Need the chess clock that like clips in to like

2094
01:38:14,199 --> 01:38:16,079
the ethernet port on the tables, So now we have

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to redesign the tables for it to work.

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Speaker 1: Ye what of all the tables? I personally also think

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that poker tables are due for like a redesign in

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a lot of ways. Like I feel like there's a

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like the simplest thing is tournament tables. I have no

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idea why they have that giant ass rack in the

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middle of them. No, I'm not saying you don't need

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a rack because there are color up tips and whatever,

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but I feel like that rack could probably be a

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third of the size. And then how other part of

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it is for like the tablet. Why is the tablet

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just got to sit over here and all of the

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nine seed and like we know whatever, Like some players

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are like can you put the can you put the

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tablet in the middle of the table, Like no, that's

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what the flop goes, okay, Like you.

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Speaker 3: Know WPA definitely Like there's like you know, obviously when

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you saw a tournament, there's nine chip stacks in the well,

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but then it'll make six of them normally, ask straight away.

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Speaker 2: So yes, I would.

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Speaker 1: Say, but also if you stack them, it only takes

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up like three two.

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Speaker 3: Usual the well could definitely be half shaped in half

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and put the iPad in there, but like something like that.

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Speaker 1: But that's like that's I mean, I know it's not here,

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but like that's around the country and around the world.

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That's how your tables.

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Speaker 2: Are only tournaments.

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Speaker 3: What I'm saying, Venetian, you need to have a multi

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purpose rack for both cash hips.

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Speaker 1: You could have a multipurpose rack for sure. I mean

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I would also say that in a lot of cash

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games you might not need all the chips that are

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in there. I mean they put a lot of chipe,

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like a lot of and I played like a one

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to three game. They have like you know, twenty k

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in the rackets, like you know. It's anyway, we've been

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all over the place for the last fifteen twenty minutes

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or so. It's good to be back.

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Speaker 2: It is. It's going to be back next week.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I really do want to, you know, once

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we get started, stick to.

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Speaker 2: Every touch on this thing such on this bay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to talk about the national heads of

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Poker check. We will not tell you who won. It

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has been filmed It is going to post edit and

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it will be airing on Peacock followed by Poker Girl

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and the Poker Stars channels. Details on all the broadcasts

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and streaming releases are still TBD as they work out

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through all the footage and all that sort of stuff,

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you know, But we can't talk about the draw. We

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can talk about the players that were invited.

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Speaker 2: About a round sixty four, like who played who? Right, Well, yeah,

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that's the draw.

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Speaker 1: The draw. I mean, we're not gonna we can't reveal

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any of the play of course. Yeah, I feel like

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I've already forgotten it by out now, but it is

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what it is. But along these lines, I would, I

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don't know, I would highly encourage you guys to go

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watch these past episodes. I mean they are freaking gold.

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I put a new one on every single day. It's

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kind of as background noise or whatever, and then I like,

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I'll catch myself paying attention to it. I mean, just

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what people are wearing, how they're playing, the logos on

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the felt, the design of the sets, you know, the music,

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the music music, the segments, the the number of chips,

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like actual chips they have like six colors, twenty five stacks.

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I mean, the whole thing is it is. It is

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peak poker nostalgia is what it is. So if you

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love that sort of stuff, you can find the old

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National Heads Up Poker Championship episodes in full seasons on

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Poker Girl if you're a Poker Grow subscriber. They're also

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being released on YouTube, but on YouTube they're a bit

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delayed and it's only one episode per day and all

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that sort of stuff. But if you want to go

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more of the binge rout and if you are a

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poker gro subscriber, I would highly encourage you guys to

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go check that out on poker Go. All right, we've

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been doing this for way, way, way too long today,

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so let's get out of here for Tim Duckworth. My

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name is Donnie Peters, and we'll talk to you guys

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next time you have Jai