Speaker 1: All start to you to present off the bench with
Jacob Hester and T Bob Abert. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah,
off the bench with Jacob Hester and C Bob Abertitch.
Now here's Jacob Hester and T Bob Abart Aba a bear?
Speaker 2: Yo?
Speaker 3: What's going on y'all? Welcome back to OTB live down
here in Mobile.
Speaker 2: At the Reese's Senior Bowl.
Speaker 3: Shout out to Labert's Hotel Casino, Beton Rouge for having
us out here and sponsoring the trip, making this all possible.
Mark Company is saying that Dylan Gabriel they're saying through
a ball seventy five miles an hour yesterday. The previous
record was Josh Allen.
Speaker 2: At sixty two. I find that hard to believe. That
feels like a glitch. Maybe. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So here at the Reese's Singable on the scoreboard they
have analytics miles per hour, how many yard tis someone
ran in practice? You know, who throws the hardest is
one of the categories. Kickers who's kicked the farthest? But whatever,
And on the scoreboard team it did say that Dylan
Gabriel threw one seventy four point nine miles per hour.
Speaker 2: I am not throwing shade at Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 4: He was awesome everywhere he's ever been, but there's no
way that he threw it twelve miles per hour more
than Josh Allen.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying.
Speaker 4: That the five to ten body can't create that torque,
but I'm kind of saying it.
Speaker 3: Nobody's nobody's saying it was a bad like a technology.
Speaker 2: It is, like I am happy for that man because again.
Speaker 4: Going back to what we talked about, watched the tape
and I know that. Okay, So here's what happens with
with quarterbacks more than any other position. Dylan Gabriel being
left handed and then not being six foot four, he's
always going to be okay because he's left handed. They're
going to say the bad parts are two a tongue
of bay Loa are Dylan Gabriel because he's five to ten,
The bad parts of him are Bryce Young, Like you
know what I'm saying, Like not like anything good about
Bryce Young, but all the bad things about Bryce Shunk,
Well that's him because he's short. Are all the bad
things about to that's him because he's left handed. Like
it's just it makes no sense to me how these
you know, billion dollar teams sometimes and not every team.
That's why you see the Steelers in the Packers in
the Ravens and the Chiefs stay consistent because they don't
have this belief.
Speaker 2: But there's so many teams out there that do.
Speaker 4: It's like it's lazy scouting and they just assume, and
they put Dylan Gabriel in this box that he doesn't
really belong in, and like, allow that man to go
out there and show you what he is in a
senior Bowl practice. That's why he's here. It's five A
good day is five to ten ideal? No, it's not
ideal when you have six four to sixty five linemen.
We get that, we understand that. But we've seen quarterbacks
that are under six foot thrive before.
Speaker 2: It has happened before.
Speaker 4: So allow him to tell you if he's going to
be that version or if he's going to be a
bad version. But allow him because if we're watching the
tape for watching these games, we have seen him dice.
Speaker 2: Up three different conferences.
Speaker 4: Allow him, by his play on the field to tell
you what he's going to be. I just feel like
we always put people in certain boxes of the bad
comps because they're you know, a B and C.
Speaker 3: Is Kyler Murray actually the comp for him? Or No,
I mean just a running standpoint.
Speaker 4: No, I mean obviously a different athlete, complete different athlete.
Speaker 3: You're saying you think you think Kyler Murray's significantly more
athletic than Gabriel.
Speaker 2: I mean his feet move fast, the twitchiness.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Kyler is pretty elite.
Speaker 2: It looks like a little bobble. Yeah.
Speaker 3: But but I mean I don't know, Gabriel did a
lot of his legs.
Speaker 4: But again, well, well we will, uh you know this
is you will like, this is rare that you'll hear
me say this. But champ As actually has a really
good point inside the balue for a chat. What Spencer
Streider is somebody he brings up. Maybe I'm wrong, you're
right because he torks the hell out of a ball
and he's a short fellow, yeah, and he's not big, no,
and he's got massive five again charge.
Speaker 3: Shout out Mark Comby for leading to the tweet. But
but I'm looking around and nobody's like, oh, it's a glitch.
Oh it's not true. They're saying that he threw a
bout seventy five miles a Yes, today, we'll see if
he gets close to get.
Speaker 4: I am rooting for that guy, Like we have a
chance to kind of, you know, interview these these guys
and follow them in the college career. And he just
seems like the most awesome version of a brody you know, man.
Speaker 2: Like, why do we play games in the dark? Man? No?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you kind of know what I'm saying without me
saying it, right, I mean, he looks like one of
the bros.
Speaker 2: Can't we get like, why don't we just play games
in the sun?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: You know, real grass? Man, go touch some grass?
Speaker 4: Exactly, Like what do we say to somebody that all
they want to do is play video games and stay
inside all day?
Speaker 2: Man, go touch some grass. He was just trying to
say it in a different way exactly exactly.
Speaker 3: Shout out to Dylan Gabriel had a good day yesterday
looking forward to Uh he did have a good day
again today. Did Before we get to this defensive analyst
Jake any the practice notes from yesterday, anything he saw
that we haven't they didn't have to say yes.
Speaker 2: I mean no, no, I mean I certainly do.
Speaker 4: But I'm trying to think obviously, you know, being here
in Baton rouge in this show, like what would be
relevant a couple you know sec guys. We already mentioned
LSU Mason Taylor, Walter Nolan, Billy Bowman had a big
day for Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: That's somebody that had a really good career.
Speaker 4: I mean every time they got touched with football, it
seemed like it went the other way for a touchdown.
That was certainly somebody. But it was cool, like if
we're bringing this back to LSU. At left guard, you
had Dellinger at right guard, you had Frasier at right tackle,
you had Emory Jones. Man, it was so cool to
see that LSU flavor right there up front. And honestly,
it was an offensive line that once Dellinger went down,
it certainly felt like it was a completely different one.
Speaker 2: Like he felt like such a big fixture there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you could tell, like the things that we
talked about with the LSU offensive line in the preseason,
I mean, it is valued in the NFL. That's why
you have three offensive linemen here, and Will Campbell's even
even one of them, and so I hope they live
up to their potential.
Speaker 2: They're a hard working group.
Speaker 4: Emory Jones to me yesterday watching nobody finished plays more
than he did really either team, any position. Emory Jones
finished to the echo of the whistle every single time
when they were you there at the very end of practice.
Uh no, all right, So the very end of practice,
you know, they do the callouts, the one on ones.
The coach is trying to call people off a card,
and he kept having to push Embry Jones out of
the way.
Speaker 2: Emory kept trying to like take the rep.
Speaker 4: He kept having to push him back, and Emory would
come back and he pushing back, and Emory's like, when
you gonna call on me? Yeah, yeah, I think he went.
He actually, you know what, he didn't. He didn't get
called on Miles Fraser didn't he and Miles won his rep.
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Speaker 3: All right, so Elise, you made a hire yesterday, Jake,
I don't need to spend too long here. Uh Lance
Gidriy hired as a defensive analyst. Of course, uh Lance
gidrie was a format he say players. Louisiana native former
coach as well. Uh, he was at Miami for the
last two years as a defensive coordinator. Obviously, Miami's defense
was a disaster this year and it's what held him
back and so he ends up getting fired. So you know,
it's it's a guy coming off of a down down
moment in his career. But in terms of analysts, Uh,
you are adding the guy with a ton of experience
and knowledge here in Gidriy joining the staff.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: I mean it's a move that you just.
Speaker 4: Add somebody else that has play calling experience, and so
when you're game planning and when you're putting a plan together,
I think that is a great resource to be able
to have.
Speaker 2: And he knows Louisiana.
Speaker 4: He's from Welsh Louisiana, and so when you bring somebody
in like he can speak the language you can talk
to talk about how great Lsu is. And so I
really don't see a downside to this. He's had a
long standing career and obviously, like as soon as you
kind of hear this, like a lot of people are
going to kind of and do great in Miami. He's
not here to be the defensive coordinator exactly right. He
is here to be somebody that helps put the game
plan together, somebody that may be on a third down situation.
Blake Baker because he knows he's been in that situation before.
Maybe Blake likes two calls and you can say, hey, Lance,
what would you do here?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: I mean those are things because it's a trusted voice
for Blake Baker to have. I don't see a negative.
You're bringing somebody back home. You're bringing somebody in that
has had high level coordinator experience at multiple different places.
When you look at his resume, it is going to
be an impressive one for me, certainly if you're talking
about an analyst.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and shout out to coach Kidrick.
Speaker 3: He's probably happy to get back home a bit, right,
You go through some tough times, get back home, kind
of nurse.
Speaker 2: Your wounds a little bit. A shout out to him.
Speaker 3: Speak of coaching searches, the New Orleans Saints continue to
seek and yet not find their head coach. As Mike
McCarthy comes out yesterday Jake, and he kind of pulls
a well, I'm going to break up with you before
you could ever break up with me. As Mike McCarthy
withdraws not only from the Saints job, but from all
jobs considered. Well, I guess that's the only job really
sots job.
Speaker 2: It says he's.
Speaker 3: Focusing on the twenty twenty six hiring cycle. Of course,
this is because quite clearly now we was interested talking
to Nick Underhill yesterday, he did not agree with the
reports of the Saints were not enamored with Mike McCarthy.
Feels kind of true now, But either way, very clearly
kel Moore is option number one for the New Orleans
Saints right now.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if.
Speaker 3: It's a pride thing from McCarthy, but obviously he doesn't
want to just sit around here and kind of be
the fallback plan. And so he said, okay, look, if
you don't, okay, we're good. And so he's washed the
hands of it. He is now out. So once again
the Saints being told no by a potential candidate. So,
like we talked about it yesterday, the actual truth of it,
you could argue, well, well, you know, contextually, this is
why this guy didn't want to come, and this is
why this guy didn't want to come. This guy so,
but the perception right now is that the Saints are
in an organization that nobody really wants to be a
part of.
Speaker 4: So I know, you know, when this news came out,
I think it was Matt that tweeted either he wasn't
getting the job or the Saints gig is the worst
in NFL history. And I think Matt's probably being tongue
in cheek a little bit there, but I don't think.
Speaker 2: It's too far off.
Speaker 4: Talking with some people here down to Mobile, not not
the worst in history. But I had somebody yesterday who's
a position coach in the NFL said it might be
the worst job opening in ten years because because cap
quarterback age of your stars, quarterback situation, the cap situation,
but the main thing was the front office really, And
this is somebody that has been in the game for
a while, been a couple of different franchises, and I
asked him. I was like, what's the deal, Like, I know,
it's not the best job, but what's the deal. He goes,
not the best job, it's probably the worst job opening
in the last ten years. And that was kind of
some of the feedback that I got yesterday. Now, that's
not us saying that, that's not us saying that it
is the worst in the last ten years. But if
that is the feeling in inner circles of the NFL
coaching world, that's not great. And it probably was a
little bit of they didn't want Mike, Mike didn't really
want them.
Speaker 2: But there's something to it.
Speaker 4: It's not the worst in history, but I think there
is something to it when you're getting this far down
the line and even coaches that are going to get
their first head coaching job don't want this job.
Speaker 2: And you can try to spin.
Speaker 4: At Mickey Loomis and people around there that we didn't
really want them and so he was just taking himself
out of a job that wasn't really his ever. But
it's starting to really feel like, well, you wanted to
offer him, but you knew he wouldn't take it.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's kind of insane.
Speaker 4: Like I might say about Mike McCarthy, I'm talking about everybody.
Speaker 3: Like Gulf South said, it's one of thirty two jobs
that pays ten to fifty million dollars a year.
Speaker 2: They can't give it away.
Speaker 3: Also, another all time bad Loomis quote is he was
asked about, you know the attraction of the saint job
and that's exactly who said. He's like, I mean, it's
one of thirty two, so you know, yeah, yeah, it's rare.
People gotta on it. Well apparently not just.
Speaker 4: Think about I mean people that have been in that
building before. Mike McCarthy was an OCE in that building.
Joe Brady was not an OC but he was in
that building as a coach.
Speaker 2: A ten year thing is really sticky with me.
Speaker 3: I guess I M yeah, taking a step back.
Speaker 2: I mean, but then.
Speaker 3: Remember we ranked the jobs earlier this all season and
it didn't we didn't rink.
Speaker 2: It did last.
Speaker 4: But we're gonna have some inherent bias in that, yeah,
because we're not gonna want to put it last, no doubt. Typically,
when you have a job like this that is open
and there's so many bad things going against it, you
at least have what.
Speaker 3: You either have you have like cap space, maybe you
have young Playwait what'd you say?
Speaker 2: You have one of three things? Yeah, you have cap space.
You're right.
Speaker 4: You either have a young franchise or somebody that you
think can be the franchise quarterback, or you have a
draft choice that you think you can get your franchise quarterback.
Speaker 2: The Saints are zero for three in that. Yeah, that's
the problem. What upside do you have.
Speaker 4: It's not to say that New Orleans doesn't have players
that are really good players. The problem is they're really
good players or on the other side of thirty, and
a coach wants to come in with a core of
twenty five year olds.
Speaker 2: You don't have that in New Orleans. Like, who's your
biggest star that's under thirty?
Speaker 4: Chris Alave who's had what four or five concussions And
you're kind of worried about that and you hope that
he can find his way. But I mean, you got
some some pretty good dbs that are under thirty, not
your superstars.
Speaker 3: I mean, and again this is all following Mickey Loomis
in his press conference to in the year being like,
you know, just because we're five and twelve doesn't mean
we're doing the wrong thing. Just because nobody wants the
job doesn't mean we're doing.
Speaker 4: The right At this point, do you just hire the
rizzler back and you know, give him a year and
if he can turn it around, if not, you just
you let him go. After a year, you're gonna have
a great draft choice. Maybe you can finally select a
quarterback in the first round for the first time since
Archie Manning. Or do you just say, all right, let's
go get Kellen Moore, Let's get a young guy. He's
been three different franchises. He's well thought of, Like we
talked about yesterday, he got a job in the quarterback
room the year after he retired, Like which move would
you go?
Speaker 3: I mean, I, you know, I I everybody seems to
be It has been interesting how Kellen Moore has suddenly
taken on.
Speaker 2: Like a savior type of role.
Speaker 3: Like I have no reason to believe Kellen Moore will
be any better than the wrizzler, right right, and maybe
not in the context especially of this team where you're
gonna be trying to squeeze blood out of the stone.
So I'm pretty ambivalent. Hell, we're gonna hear from Kafka
coming up next, right, So that with him yesterday, you
want to get an idea into kind of who he is,
what he would potentially bring the job, how he feels
about in New Orleans.
Speaker 2: We talked about it.
Speaker 3: So no, I mean, look at this this what like,
like I said, though, I think any coach here's kind
of set up to fail.
Speaker 2: But you're not gonnadmit that as a.
Speaker 3: Front lomp is no, So I I yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think it matters.
Speaker 4: Do you think do you think if Kella Moore is
the choice there he gets hired as a Saints head coach.
That Kella Moore and Derek Carr did once play each
other in college?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 2: Did they? You know what the score was? I mean,
I'm sure kell Moore dominated.
Speaker 4: It was fifty seven to seven Boise State when I
sent it to the group.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Kellen Moore finished fifty and three.
Speaker 2: As a starter in his career.
Speaker 4: So your head coach would have been you Kella Moore
in that game twenty three of thirty one two fifty
four three tuds, Derek Carr seventeen of thirty one hundred
and twenty six and one touchdown.
Speaker 2: What a weird Yeah, what a weird age thing there. Yeah,
that's that's kind of insane.
Speaker 3: All right, Uh yeah, yeah, Okay, Coming up next, we're
gonna talk to executve director of the Senior World Jim
Nag keep it a lock here on.
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Speaker 2: All right, what's going on y'all? Welcome back, Manader.
Speaker 3: The first break we saw one of our favorite Alabama residents,
Miss Brady, and Chet dropped us off a ton of
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Speaker 3: This stuff is pretty damn good, does about anything. And
look at some cheese straws so thoughtful to help us
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Speaker 5: We've actually never had a cheese Okay, my first question
was do you have cheese straws? And batue never is
a total mobile thing. I started dating my wife who
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Speaker 3: They're they're kind of chaped likes for the Senior Bowl.
There you go and the voice you just heard Executi,
director of the recent Senior Bowl. Our guy, Jim Naggie,
good friend of the show, always treats us incredibly well
down here every single year.
Speaker 2: By the way, guys, shout out.
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out here. Jim, what's up though, man, crazy time, whirlwind.
A year's for the work boils down.
Speaker 2: To this week. How are we feeling awesome?
Speaker 5: Hell? Yeah, yeah, Day one was great. Appreciate you guys
for coming back. You got I mean, Radio Row has
grown a bunch. I mean I was just down at
the other end. There's guys from Austin, Texas. Here's awesome.
So you guys are you guys are like the pioneering
group though you were you were he o, g you're
here for you the ogs you're going to start. It's
just growing around you. But no, yesterday was great. I
mean it was uh you know, it's what Senior Ball
is all about. It was the mashup of of NFL
and college football. I mean just on the just on
the sidelines walking around, it was you know, Mike Frable
and Brian day Ball and you know Brad Holmes, the
GM of the Lions, and uh, you know John Lynch
and Mike Tomlin. And then you turned around, it's Mario
Cristobal and just all the college Josh Hipel down there,
hypol Josh Hipel, Hugh Freeze. I saw Dabbo checking into
the hotel last night. He'll be here, Kirby's going to
be here today. Dan Lanning is going to be here.
So it was just it was a really cool day,
beautiful weather we got through. Did you guys get a
lot of snow last week?
Speaker 3: Did we Lil Louisiana?
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think we'll ever see out of that.
And I don't know.
Speaker 4: I was stuck in the Atlanta airport trying to get
back from the championship.
Speaker 2: Heard about I heard.
Speaker 5: I heard Atlanta Hertsville.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I heard that was a good time.
Speaker 4: It was so bad, Jim that I'm thinking about giving
away my Braves fanedom. I've been a fan since I've
been born the Braves, but I hate Atlanta so much.
Right now, I might pick a new team after that experience.
Speaker 2: Well look at this, that was my that was my front.
Speaker 3: You're in Baton Rouge, Louisiana neighborhood, just just absolutely blanketed.
Speaker 5: I mean y'all got some to seven inches. Yeah, we
got eight We had seven inches, all.
Speaker 2: Right, measuring contest. I have a feeling that is in
the first time. I know, okay, it was. You know,
it was good.
Speaker 5: Anytime you break a record in mobile at least it
was eighteen ninety five. Its freaking horse and buggies and
a yeah yeah, right, Like that's how historic that snow was.
But you know, I tell people that are like, were
you freaking out? I'm like, yeah, it's freaking out. We
had seven inches of snow on a field and.
Speaker 3: We had to paint the field.
Speaker 2: We had to get the logos on the logos on
the field.
Speaker 5: I mean, you got sponsors paying hundreds of thousands of
dollars and you can't get.
Speaker 4: Their logo on the conagh just thank god though that
it wasn't right now, oh my god.
Speaker 2: This week.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if the NFL wouldn't have had a seventeenth game
four years ago. We moved back when they when they
had a game seventeen, we moved back to being the
same line of the calendar the week before the Super Bowl.
If they wouldn't have done that, last week would have
been seniable.
Speaker 4: You would have been we would have had to play
the game in the pavilion, would be I mean time pictures, dude,
that's sure tracks.
Speaker 2: It is snow.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like everyone's like, oh, you just could have went
up to the indoor facility. You're like, yeah, we wouldn't
have been on a drive there.
Speaker 6: Like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because the southern cities shut down when they're snow
because I mean, look, we don't we don't have the
infrastructure for snow.
Speaker 2: Wait, so jim uh.
Speaker 3: Once again, the rosters are stellar, best collection of talent
in any of these sorts of games. Quarterbacks, I've just
just topped a bottom, right, what is the process like
of putting together these teams? How big is your team?
How much tape are you grinding?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: What are your resources to to figure out who gets?
These invites are prestigious and and it like you don't
get to come to get here, you have to earn
your way here.
Speaker 2: But what's that process?
Speaker 5: Like, well, good question, We've already started on twenty twenty six.
We've we we started at the beginning of January. We're
looking at it. I think we started with ACC, Big
Ten and SEC, so we're rolling. So it's really it's
really a year on process. We get done with this
year's game, we'll keep going on next year. We had
eleven former NFL scouts spread out all over the country.
We are a mom and pop shop, so they're not
in you know, they're not on planes. We're what we're driving.
It's it's regional. So like we got a guy in
Seattle and he will go to games in Eugene, Oregon, Corvallis, Oregon,
over at Wazoo, at Washington State, and then you dub
is right in his backyard in Seattle. You can basically
get you know, the entirety of the West Coast football.
And what's really helped us is now that now that
Oregon and Washington, USC and UCLA are in the Big Ten,
they they go over and we can get UCLA done
in Rutgers by that. Our guy lives in Maryland. So
it is a year run process and we do. We
involve the NFL teams at the Once we get the
board set, we reach out to them and kind of
verify what we saw. So we're bringing the right players
the guys they want to see. So it is it's
a huge collaborative effort.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know what the ceiling of this player is,
but this is a player that's from across the Bay
Fair Hope, Alabama and Riley Leonard and we all got
to see him make the championship game run.
Speaker 2: I was a fan of his at Duke. I thought
he did great things at Duke, but he goes to
Notre Dame.
Speaker 4: He's tough as nails. Had a chance to interview him
a couple of times. One of the best young men
that you'll ever meet. He's all about ball, great attitude.
I think he has a future in the NFL. Now,
I don't know what that ceiling is, and I know
there's a lot to say about the negatives. There's a
lot of positives though as well, Like what do you
think maybe his future, at least from the get go,
will be in the NFL.
Speaker 5: I think when you started the year, I think most
teams had Riley in the fourth or fifth round, kind
of a mid round guy, developmental backup, and there's still
some of that to him. I still think he's, you know,
got some development to do as a passer, and that's
when you're talking positives negatives. But late in the year
that November run. You know, people probably forget because we
played the CFP, but in November they were going on
a run where they scored fifty plus like three or
four games. So when they got hot. I was getting
text from some NFL guys I could I could pull
him up, show them to you where they're like, we
think Riley Leonard's going on day two. Yeah, size, So
you got size, you got athlete, you got high character,
you got a really good smart brain. That's a lot
to work with, you know, Like, yeah, is the passing stuff.
Is the accuracy exactly where it needs to be right now? No,
if it were, we'd be talking about it.
Speaker 2: Because he's superathless.
Speaker 5: He checks all the boxes and the intangible stuff that
maybe some of these guys that are being talked about
his first rounder is don't right now. So he's got
all that stuff. So no, we're in right like you
nailed it. I mean, Riley's from down here, but everyone
down here knows Riley Leonard because he's just such a
great kid. He's a phenomenal. His parents. I wish my
kids were still small, because then I would go to
his parents and what did what.
Speaker 1: Did you do?
Speaker 5: I'm already screwed right, tell me everything. Yeah, like I
want to know secrets because your son is an absolute stuff.
Speaker 3: It's like, is he as sincere and earnest as he
appears to be because he's just got such like a
oh gee, golly, you know, I'm just I love football.
Speaker 2: And hey, you know what, you know it's funny you
know he works out with in the off season. Yeah,
there he go.
Speaker 3: Exactly, Wait, what about this, Jim? Because you do study
this all so adept your your own resume. You know,
you have your ten thousand hours in scouting football from
an NFL perspective, What who's maybe the most undervalued prospector?
Or like, who's somebody that you don't know is a
name yet, but that that.
Speaker 2: You think people are going to get to know come Sunday.
Speaker 5: I think a storyline coming out of this week. And
we talked to about him a little bit off the
air when I walked over here a couple of hours ago.
It is Willy Lampkin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's doing numbers, he's gone a bit viral already. Really,
the Dione Walker video yesterday's he got a couple of
million views now on Twitter.
Speaker 5: Awesome, love it. Okay, So you know, Willy's an extreme outlier, right,
Like the NFL is looking for guys that you know
they fit certain height, weight, speed parameters. Willy doesn't fit
any of that stuff. This kid's not even five foot eleven.
He came in at two hundred and seventy pounds, which
is I mean, we had we had tight ends. We
had a tight end from UCLA was two sixty five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this little this little dude, and he was
he was.
Speaker 5: A lot a lot of people that follow football know
what Pro Football Focus is.
Speaker 2: He was PFF.
Speaker 5: He was PFF's top graded guard in college football this year.
But be such an outlier, we didn't We didn't add
him until like Saturday. We added him the day before
player arrival.
Speaker 2: No way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was a late ad because so Jered Wilson
from Georgia got hurt. So we added Willie and to
see him hang in yesterday. Man, he's a four time
state champ wrestler. He's got all that stuff to him.
He never lost a match in he never lost a
match in high school, so uh, he'll be I think.
I think if he started the week with a viral
clip against Dyon Walker, like, I can't wait till Saturday,
because he'll be probably the talk of talk of the
football world a Saturday.
Speaker 4: So you spent so many years in the NFL. We
talked about this earlier, and I think you'd be the
best person to answer this question. Why do coaches always
yell the eye in the sky doesn't lie, but then
they don't trust it when it comes to a player
like that. I've never understood that they preach it, they
always talk about it, but then they create their own
narratives on and forget about the tape even though they
always preach at the tape is the most important thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Nothing.
Speaker 5: It just goes back to like you call it analytics now.
I mean, you just do a deep dive how many
guys And you can do this in an NFL scouting system.
You put in what the guy's height is, what the
guy's weight is, and then click a button and it'll
tell you, like how many guys in the league have
ever played at that size? And the number would probably
be zero or we're going way back in time. Now
we're talking. When I was with the Chiefs back and
the guys you played against gotta Casey Weegman. We had
Casey Weigman as our starting center for the Kansas City Chiefs.
Played in the league for like thirteen or fourteen, and
he looked like really he looked like a fullback. Yeah,
he really did, Like we signed him. When You're in
training camp and this guy's walking up to the dorms
where we were staying, and I'm like, Oh, who's the
new fullback we signed him? Dude, that's weakman. I'm like,
oh my god, we're lining up, but we're lining up
with that guy at center. But no, that that's why.
And you're right though, I mean everyone says, you know, tape,
the only thing that matters is tape, Scott, you know,
Scott Eye, and this guy didn't line and then they
do it.
Speaker 2: But that's why they do it.
Speaker 5: And then you know what, so Willy doesn't get I'm
just forecasting here, like Willy won't get drafted, and then
Willy will get into training camp next year and just
lock people.
Speaker 4: Up, make it and make a team, and you'll look
up in he'll have a six year seven year NFL career.
Speaker 3: Correct, Yeah, correct, what about chat wants to know if
Dylan Gabriel really threw its seventy five miles an hour yesterday?
Speaker 5: I saw that report. So they just so people know
we have this. We are partner. Our data partner is
Zebra Technologies, same exact data partner of all thirty two
NFL clubs. Yeah, so like our stadium is wired the
same way the NFL stadiums are. And I don't know,
I saw that. I'll have to get get out with
the Zebra people today. I mean, that sounds like a
crazy number, but it's out.
Speaker 2: I can think what Alan maybe has the record down
here was like sixty four, sixty two, sixty twos, right
like that?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, and I love me some Dylan Gabriel, but yeah,
he doesn't throw it like Josh.
Speaker 4: I mean, let me tell you, great lower half on
Dylan Gabriel. He does, but it would have to all
come out of the lower half for him to throw
seventy four point nine. I mean that's a high number.
Speaker 5: You're humming it, Yeah, he'd be breaking fingers. Yeah, four
miles an hour.
Speaker 3: What is the message for a guy like Jalen Milroe
who really out of all the quarterbacks, probably the most
first round potential. It comes out yesterday and it's just
it's really a struggle day one, But you have another
opportunity to, Like, what would be your message to him
going into day number two?
Speaker 5: I would say, if any scout puts too much emphasis
on day one of Senior Bowl, they're not doing it right.
Speaker 2: Ok.
Speaker 5: You know these guys, a lot of these guys haven't
played in a while, and they're again for quarterbacks, it's
a lot Yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: A lot man, a lot of new for him, a
lot of new.
Speaker 5: They're they're working under center for the first time. You know,
they're new footballs, which people to take sure of. This
is a new football. They're throwing in an NFL football.
You know, they're spinning out verbiage, which really gets in
these guys' heads. So I bring it back all the
way to my first year. Daniel Jones was in the game.
He's trying to spit out John Gruden's old school West
Coast offense for a badge.
Speaker 2: He was likey just you could just see it in
his eyes.
Speaker 5: And then he's got John over his shoulder, M F
and M. And I'm like, John like chill out, like
almost pull pull like Druden off, like John give him
a chance.
Speaker 2: So but he did.
Speaker 5: Like so he had a really rough first day, Daniel
Jones said. Second day comes out in the first period
interception interception. I'm like, oh my god, this isn't good
because he was already projected to be like a late
first round pick. Yeah, and uh, and then he something
clicked and then the second half of Wednesday was good.
Thursday was really good. Game was MVP of the game.
So he all these guys just need to stay with it,
you know, I'm sure, I'm sure not everyone was thrilled
with how they played yesterday. There's a lot of rust
being knocked off right now.
Speaker 3: Hey, and uh, great gesture by y'all with the Tiger
Besh stickers as well, and what a what what what
a performance by Jack Besh yesterday.
Speaker 2: Probably had the best catch of the day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, being able to get out there somehow compartmentalized. I mean,
this week is already mentally tough enough without the personal tragedy.
But how did y'all come up with the idea to
honor Tiger in the way.
Speaker 2: That he did? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, So as soon as that happened. We had
had Jack on our local radio show on that Monday,
and I believe New Year's Eve was Wednesday, so we
had him on the show. Yeah, and then that happened,
and I just like, what can we do?
Speaker 2: What can we do for these guys?
Speaker 5: And a few years ago Hank Aaron passed away. Hank
Aaron is like the greatest Mobilion ever. So we had
a forty four sticker for Hank Aaron on our helmets
that year. Then last year, Jimmy Buffett died, another great
mobili and so we had a pair it on our helmet.
I just think it's a great way to honor people.
And so yeah, we have a number seven on our
helmets with old Tiger. It's like Princeton's logo where Tiger
played is the pe with like the tiger stripes through it.
So that's what we did to honor him. And Jack's
been a warrior man. I went out to the FCA
event on Monday and Jack kind of gave his opened
up to this, Oh, this room full of like three
thousand high school and middle school kids about you know,
and it went in depth of like that twenty four
hour period of when it happened in the family and
it was heavy stuff. And it's heavy stuff. So love
the guy. Love the guy. I know there's a lot
of family coming over for the game. Can't wait to
meet the best family. I know they're close to you guys,
everything you know. So yeah, man, the kid's incredible.
Speaker 4: Well, just the mental aspect of that, like t Bob said,
and Tiger's birthday was yesterday, and Jack going out there
in the biggest moment of his life and you know,
trying to just escape probably for a couple of hours.
But you want to talk about mentally tough right now?
Is Jack Besh is showing that for sure?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, and credit to everything you do here because he's
also now able to showcase his skill set and try
to make you know, his his professional dreams come true
amidst all the bad. Right now, we're here with the
executive director, Jim Naggy have the senior Bolt does an
incredible job. Jim, Thank you so much. I know it's
a crazy busy time right now, but thank you for
having us. It's been great. Can't wait for practice.
Speaker 5: Awesome. Thank you guys again, Thank you so much. Let's
have a great second. Let's have a great second day.
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Speaker 5: Yo.
Speaker 2: What's going on y'all.
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Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: Uh uh, Jake, did you see uh? Did you see
the Paul skens news? Oh my bad that somebody pulled
his card?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: No, but one of one.
Speaker 3: No, because Paul Skenes lives a charmed existence in which
it's his world and we are just living in it
and everything revolves around or everything.
Speaker 2: Just he's just everything works out for him.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: He's on the cover of MLB The Show twenty five
already already. I wish that guy could catch a break.
Speaker 3: I know, yeah, you know, mean geesus him and Livvy
does the biggest jock power couples in sports cards with military. Yeah,
so it's him, Ellie Daily Cruz and Gunner Henderson. It's
a little youth infusion there. But I mean, already on
the cover of MLB the show.
Speaker 2: Twenty five that well deserved.
Speaker 4: Well okay, and maybe you disagree with this, but I
will say, like for having you know, somebody high profile relationship,
everybody knows who you're dating, and Libby Done and all
of that. With all the things surrounding Paul Skins and
we see this happen all the time, maybe your mind
starts to wander off into non baseball things, maybe a
little bit too much.
Speaker 2: He still seems like.
Speaker 4: He is all about ball and kind of locked in,
like when he's interviewed, and I know he's not this
huge personality, kind of keeps to himself. But credit to
him right now it looks like he's able to handle
all of that but make the main thing the main thing.
Speaker 2: Still. Yeah, but congratulates two Skins On the cover.
Speaker 3: LSU got has LSU men hosting Auburn tonight in the
PMAC six pm. Of course, Auburn number one team in
the entire country.
Speaker 2: LSU just.
Speaker 3: Was good against Alabama, like we said, probably played about
as good as they could. It was just some awful
three point shooting that kept them from maybe taking away
a huge upset. When Jake, I know that you are
starting to get into your college basketball flow. Given you
know here, I'm serious to really kick it into overdrive. Yes,
what is his Auburn team?
Speaker 2: Like? What are the challenge is?
Speaker 5: What do they do?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 3: How is else you're gonna even seek to have a
chance tonight? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I look, I wish I could, you know, win one
for the gift er.
Speaker 4: I wish I could give you a speech to make
me feel like LSU had an opportunity and they played
their butts off against Alabama.
Speaker 2: You just mentioned it, so it was a great effort.
Speaker 4: But Alabama is a team that does play a unique
style and sometimes if it's off, they don't have their fastball,
and they were a little off the other night. If
LSU could have made their threes, they would have won
the basketball games they play good enough to win. Auburn
doesn't have those flaws I think that Alabama has. Even
though okay, you look this spread the spread for Alabama,
I believe you were somewhere. I think it was twenty
one point yeah, I mean it was double digits. I
think it got up to twenty one. You're only a
twelve and a half point dog because this one obviously
in the PMAC and not on the road. But the
thing about Auburn is they just they attack you from
every angle. They don't have the off nights at Alabama has.
When Alabama's not making their threes, they're kind of a
different team. You kind of look at what Alburn's already
done in their schedule. I mean they've beaten the number
five team in the country, the number twelve team in
the country, the number four team in the country, sixteen, fifteen,
twenty three and six.
Speaker 2: I mean, they have gone through a gauntlet. The only
team that they.
Speaker 4: Lost to was the Duke Blue Devils that was on
the road, I believe, if I'm not mistaken, they lost
by six points. But man, they just they aren't a
forgiving basketball team.
Speaker 2: Tee.
Speaker 4: If you turn the ball over like you did, would
you have fourteen I think against Alabama even and that
that number is not as high as it had been.
But even if you have fourteen, they're going to make
you pay on every single one of them.
Speaker 2: It's going to be a dog fight like you.
Speaker 4: Having the number one team coming to the p MAC,
the p max is going to be at a very
high level. You have to almost play perfect basketball like you.
If you play like you did the other night as
far as your effort and you make your threes, you
do have a chance. But against Alabama you had a
chance when you even didn't make those threes. If you
do that same thing against Auburn, you're gonna get run
out of the gym.
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Speaker 2: Off the Bench with Esther and t Bob. Yo. What's
going on y'all?
Speaker 3: Getting ready to wrap up our two here live and
the Reese's Senior Bowls. Shout out to Labar's Casino Hotel
and bat Route for uh bringing us out here. To
the trip sponsor, the trip Jake, So I mentioned it
went into the break, but I talked to Matt Bowers
this morning killed me up.
Speaker 4: He wanted to explain some of the situation here, all right,
so kind of a reset for our listeners. Elijah Haven,
Dunham quarterback, got an N I L deal from Matt
Bauers and his dealerships.
Speaker 2: And that was news I believe on Monday Morning show.
Speaker 3: Uh, yes, yes, And it's very funny because Elijah Haven's
very young apparently does have a license. Okay, drive already. No, No,
he's fifteen, right, it's not possible sixteen. I can't remember
it anyway, whatever, it's very funny, you know, young kid
doing car dealerships, big inn al deal, high school kid.
Speaker 2: But then everybody's like.
Speaker 3: Oh, Matt Bowers, he's a he's an old miss man,
and he's he's he's seating him for lane and all
this sort of stuff. Look, I yes, he is an
old missman, but I didn't.
Speaker 2: Know this, Bowers.
Speaker 3: Elijah Haven's on his AU basketball team him and Randy
living Au basketball team together and.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's relationships there. Yeah, they're you know Randy Livings
form LSU players. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So
it's it's all. It's all good. Everybody chill out.
Speaker 3: Everybody, everybody chill out a little bit, or don't or
just like go yell at Matt about trying to steal
Elijah Haven for all. Miss Yeah, uh, I will say this, Uh,
Elijah Haven is gonna be able to go wherever he wants. Yeah,
his recruiting is going to go nuclear uh here pretty soon.
And I think it's going to be interesting to see
because you never know who the hometown get, Like does
he want it? Does he want to stay home? Or
do you want to go somewhere else? Do you want
to spread drinks? It?
Speaker 2: It's it's it's tough.
Speaker 3: It's not always an advantage to be from somewhere because, like,
like I always have my friends, I always wanted to
kind of get out of where I'd grown up and
gone to high school and everything else. Now I kind
of had this soft landing of this being a pseudo
home with a lot of family around and coming back
throughout my life constantly.
Speaker 2: But uh yeah, who knows what Elijah Haven ends up doing.
I just wish him the best and shout out on
getting the Gill. That's awesome. I'm not mad at you
for getting an n IL deal.
Speaker 4: And we talked about there's four quarterbacks in that twenty
twenty seven class that have some ties to Louisiana, Ben
Rouge or l s U, And so I think l
s U has a fantastic opportunity to get one of
those quarterbacks. And so you're not gonna get all four,
you're not going to get two, but you are going
to get one. And so now you just got to
make sure you pick the best one, whoever that ends
up being.
Speaker 2: I Urtliza might end.
Speaker 3: Up as like valedictorian and Dunham to dude, like, come.
Speaker 2: On, dude, hey, chill out, chet outa say something for
the rest of us. Say kid, can't be like, can't
be that good and.
Speaker 3: Smart rocket arm and make great grades like yeah, and
get high school in IL deals and be a big
time AU basketball player for Andy Livinston, relaxed.
Speaker 4: Dude, Yeah, spread the wealth, your quarterback, hit your check
down one of those things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, hit your check down. Throw it to the
running backs. Yeah, I would love it. I would love it.
N I l deal help Jake punch up, punch up,
pump pump up some of those stats. Yeah.
Speaker 3: By the way, shout out to miss Brady dropped us
off the Shooby sauce earlier because she called Jake cannonball head.
And that's one of the funnyest I've never I've never
called that before.
Speaker 4: That's very I'm pretty sure she put old cannonball head
so it was old in front of it.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 2: Look there's old cannibal head. Yeah, and she knows the
way to my heart because I was like, thank you.
Speaker 4: That's a great I mean, Aunny Meathhead would want to
be called cannonball head like meathead better.
Speaker 2: But it's a great nickname.
Speaker 3: Speaking of meathead, you gotta talk about scataboo. We do,
we can do, we can do that next hour.
Speaker 2: But I'm not happy with you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you got some trouble on the home front. Guy,
bad advice. Also, we uh will you Mamie curs on here?
Cam got Mike Kafka coming up next hour as well.
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