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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to the Surely Can't Be Serious podcast,

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discussing and debating the iconic and the forgotten of eighties

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and nineties pop culture with your co hosts James D.

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Graves and Jason Colban.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's do this, don't you. Let's do it? Okay, Okay,

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here we are.

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Speaker 3: We are here for our Eddie Murphy, John Landis duo,

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the Trading Places versus coming to America.

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Speaker 4: Looking good, Jason feeling good.

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Speaker 2: D Let's do this, all right? Remember to follow us

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Speaker 2: That's right. We'd love to hear from you. So interact

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us where we're way off.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: I we had somebody say something once and it made

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me think of my history professor in high school. He

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started the whole class first day of class. He's like,

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I might tell you something that's not accurate, but you

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have to figure that out. I was like, wow, Okay,

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we researched these things. We're not experts in anything that

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we do, anything that we're talking about, but we do

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research them.

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Speaker 4: We do. Yeah. So but if we get something wrong,

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call us out.

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Speaker 2: We like it, that's right, let's hear from you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah for sure.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So we're going to talk about Eddie Murphy who

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I was listening to Delirious on the way over here today,

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and my gosh, the man is so freaking funny.

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Speaker 4: I wish he would do stand up some more. It's

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been I think.

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Speaker 2: It's been almost thirty years.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think with Raw was the last actual stand up

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he did, right, and it was only three big show

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stand up that he did. The first Eddie Murphy, then

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Delirious and then Raw Wow. But he that's where he

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got his start. You know, he started off in stand up.

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He was the kid who didn't want to go outside

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and play. He wants to stay in and watch TV,

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which is kind of me too. He started doing stand

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up when he was fifteen years old. It's incredible, my

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son is fifteen. Yeah, to imagine them up on stage,

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although Brock I could actually see him up on stage

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delivered some friends.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, get it together, man, he start working.

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Speaker 4: He's hilarious.

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Speaker 2: So he starts that and then somebody says, hey.

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Speaker 3: You know, they're they're looking for a black guy over

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Saturday Night Live. You should give audition for that, and

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he's he didn't even I mean, he didn't really watch

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Saturday Night Live that much and just thought it was whatever, right,

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But then he thought, oh, maybe it'll be good for my.

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Speaker 4: Stand up.

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Speaker 1: For him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, get me out there and I'll get some better,

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get some better stand up gigs. And then as it

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turned out, it was opened a whole lot more doors.

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Speaker 2: When he was on Saturday Early Live, it was clear

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right away that this guy is going to be a.

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Speaker 4: Star, absolutely well.

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Speaker 3: And I mean I can understand his reaction to Saturday

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Night Live at that point because Lauren Michaels had left

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the show and Saturday Night Live sucked, right, I mean,

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this is the early eighties and they were awful.

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Speaker 2: Well, they had lost Chevy Chase, they had lost all

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all these people had left.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so when he comes in to do the audition,

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he does the audition is an old bit from the

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seventies with Chevy Chase and Richard Pryor where they do

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the word association game and you know, we're a family

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friendly podcast, so.

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Speaker 4: He can't do it.

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Speaker 3: But Chevy Chase is using these racial slurs, and Richard

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and all he could do is say honky honky and

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dead honky. Yes, he throws out the end word Richard

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Bridle like a home game. And so Eddie does that

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with Joe Piscopo is his audition piece, and he just

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he knew the bit because he loved Richard Pryor, and

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Speaker 2: It definitely got that boost it needed at that early

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, right. It was the reason people started watching again.

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Speaker 2: I think fun so cool. So we're going to talk

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about Trading Places from nineteen eighty three, yes, which is

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an Eddie Murphy dan Aykroyd movie, right and coming to America,

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which came out in July fourth of nineteen eighty eight.

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Speaker 4: YEP.

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Speaker 2: This is interesting because Trading Places is Eddie Murphy's second movie.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, his first movie was forty eight Hours with Nick

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Nolty he had gotten that piece because his agent was

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dating the guy who was going to make the movie.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So the rumor was that they had just seen him

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Speaker 4: But it is actually like he had a really inside.

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Speaker 2: Nice yeah deal on that one. You know, the scene

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Murphy wise, if you'll remember, he takes the cops badge.

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Eddie Murphy is a con, you know. They get him

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out of jail for this, right, and he goes and

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he said, I'm gonna take care of this problem. He

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takes the badge, gets his cowboy hat and goes into

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a honky tonk.

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Speaker 1: You start running a respectable business and I don't have

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to come in here and hassle you every.

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Speaker 2: Night, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: And that scene is unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: At the point that at the point that that scene

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finishes up, like people in the audience were standing up

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and cheer him because it was a straight I mean

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Murphy in the early eighties and not be funny, right,

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right straight.

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Speaker 4: Actor.

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Speaker 2: You know who wrote that scene, Our friend Steven Desusa.

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Speaker 4: Oh, right, from Diehard.

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Speaker 2: He wrote Diehard. That's right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean a thousand movies, but yeah, that's right, right.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, that's our course favorite of his movies.

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Speaker 2: We can get into that a little bit later. Sure, yeah, okay,

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So Trading Places are released June eighth, nineteen eighty three.

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Just take those old all right. So okay, so current

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events right for me, just kind of a little fashion thing.

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Swatch introduces their first watches.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I love I had a Swatch for years years. Really,

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I'm still wearing Swatches into the nineties.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you want to hear my Swatch story. I bought

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with my own money what I thought was a really

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cool Swatch watch. Yeah, I didn't really know. My friends

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are like, hey, Swatch is the way to go. I

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go to the store, buy a Swatch. I like it

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looks cool. Bring it to school the next day, Hey, guys,

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check out my Swatch. They're like, why'd you buy a

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girls one? Like, what are you talking about? The little

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ones where girls? The big ones were boys? You only

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do the plot overview of Trading Places, all right? So

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Lewis Winthorpe the third is a successful commodity broker in Philadelphia.

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He's got a great job, beautiful fiance in a wonderful

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home that includes a butler Coleman. Billy Ray Valentine is

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a con man and a hustler who pretends to be

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a legless Vietnam Vet, begging and bugging people for money.

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Winthorpe's employers, the Duke Brothers, make a bet that if

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they switched and took Billy Ray Valentine from the streets,

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put him in a job, and if they somehow disgraced Winthorpe,

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he would turn to a life of crap. And so

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they make this bet, and they set it up in

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such a way that they bring Billy Ray in for

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his job, and they cast out Winthorpe to the streets,

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and some hilarity ensues. But Winthorpe and Valentine figure this out.

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They join up, and they're going to take down the

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Duke Brothers with the help of Ophelia played by Jamie

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Lee Curtis, who is the piger with the Heart of Gold,

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and they're going to take down the Duke brothers. Okay,

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so nineteen eighty eight, that year.

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Speaker 4: I can remember so clearly. We went.

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Speaker 3: We were so excited because Mike Tyson was redefining what

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it meant to be a boxer.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he was just unbeatable.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 3: And I played plenty of hours of Mike Tyson's punch.

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Speaker 4: Out on my name.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but we went to we had a big event.

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had a fight with Michael Spinks. And I can remember

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going there where it's a big party.

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Speaker 3: There were all guys ready to go that I'm going

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Speaker 4: I'm thinking, okay, I'm gonna grab a coke real quick.

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back in and the fight is over. He had knocked

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Speaker 2: I remember that too. That was amazing. This is a

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Speaker 4: Yep.

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Speaker 2: Turns out there's only one big boy. And he was

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big and bad.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he was all right.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know if you know this, d but

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the knock Tommy Plaza Tower.

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Speaker 4: Oh I was. I was get wrenched at that.

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Speaker 3: I was watching the news, kidding.

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Speaker 2: Shots fired.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So the other movie that we're going to talk

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is Eddie Murphy's second movie with John Landis. We talked

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about big stars of the eighties. Eddie Murphy was one,

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but John Landis was also one. I mean, without question,

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you had five directors that were killing the eighties. He's

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got to be on that list, that's right. So they

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do the second movie together. The premise, I'll do the

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blot outline for Coming to America, a wealthy African nation

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of Zamunda, the crown Prince a Keen Joffer grows weary

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of his hampered lifestyle. Whybus and he wakes up on

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his twenty first birthday.

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Speaker 4: I tell you, I want to.

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Speaker 3: Get I know I'm supposed to be running through the

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plot here, but I want to get the music. I

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don't need the band. I don't need the orchestra, you know,

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because that'd be a little expensive.

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Speaker 4: But that music.

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Speaker 3: If I could just wake up to that music every morning,

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oh every day would be better.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, your highness.

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Speaker 4: So it's his twenty first birthday.

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Speaker 3: It's the day he is supposed to meet his bride

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to be, who he's never met before. But this is

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an arranged marriage, and despite the fact that he lives

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without any want in the world that goes unmet, he

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is unhappy that he has to marry this woman who

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he has never met, and then, after meeting her, though

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she is beautiful, she is completely complicit to every whim

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that he wants. So he decides to go find himself

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a bride in a place where people don't know who

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Speaker 5: And where to go to do that is America. Where

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better than Queen's Queens, And so he and his best

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friend Simmy go to Queen's. They pose as poor African students.

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They get a job at the local knockoff of McDonald's

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called McDowell's. Because Prince Akim has grown enamored with the

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to this crazy idea that he would marry some American

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girl and ultimately they are reunited at the end of

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Speaker 2: Great, great movie. Two great movies, very very enjoyable movies.

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big hits, right okay. Trading Places was the fourth highest

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grossing film in nineteen eighty three, behind Return of the

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Jedi Flash Dance in terms of a dearmant. So it's

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big hit from nineteen eighty eight. The budget was thirty

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nine million and it made worldwide two hundred and eighty

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eight million plus. Huge, huge movie for Eddie mun We

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want to go through the actors actresses.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's start talking about the actors. Obviously, Eddie Murphy

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Speaker 2: Eddie Murphy for a Moment, he made forty eight hours. Yep,

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he made Trading Places. He made Coming to America. Our

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younger viewers and listeners may recognize his voice from Shrek,

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right he plays Donkey and Shrek.

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Pluto Nash. Have you ever seen that.

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that he received a Golden Globe nomination.

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Speaker 3: For his work on forty eight Hours, Beverly Hills, Cop

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Speaker 4: He ultimately won the Golden Globe for dream Girls.

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turned down that turned out to be a hit that

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he regrets not taking the role. I thought this was

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really interesting.

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Speaker 4: Who Framed Roger rabbits y? You never even knew that.

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proposed it to him before and said, hey, you should

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do this movie. He's like, hey, cartoons, I don't want

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to do that, right, And when Who Framed Roger Rabbit

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became the success that it did, he was like, oh

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ooop's not going to refuse one of those offers again.

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out summer of eight eight as well. All Right. Dan Aykroyd,

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who you'll remember from Saturday Night Live, right, Blues Brothers, Yep, Ghostbusters, YEP,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, another eighties icon.

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in the nineteen eighties, maybe the worst movie of the

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nineteen eighties, Ishtar, I don't see his star. He was

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in Caddy Shack too.

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Jackie Mason, Thank you Jackie Mason.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't good.

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maybe the worst movie the nineteen eighties. He was also

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in maybe the worst movie the nineteen nineties, called Nothing

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but Trouble. No.

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Speaker 4: I liked that one too. Oh my god, No, that's hilarious. Okay, right, No,

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Speaker 3: Demmy Moore and Chevy Chack was And if he plays

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the judge, doesn't he doesn't with the judge.

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Speaker 2: That movie last time you saw that you were five?

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Come on, all right? Also starring this is really cool

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Duke brothers. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Doni Miichi hadn't done a movie in thirteen years.

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Speaker 4: Thirteen years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, here's some interesting thing about this one. You know,

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when he started he didn't know who these guys were.

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and I mean the eighties are very different than the

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movies that Dono Michi was making. I mean, you've, especially

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with John Landis, You're gonna have lots of F bombs.

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Speaker 2: It's just the way that John Reist did his movies.

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Speaker 3: And so Donamichi's got two like Big, you know, drops

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the F on f him about his brother. And then

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so he was. He was adamantly I mean he's a

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conservative religious guy.

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Speaker 3: He was adamantly opposed. I'm not doing that. And they're like,

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you've you've got to do it. I mean, it's just

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part of the role. And he was like, Okay, I'm

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gonna do it. I'm gonna do it once and you

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better get it on the first take. And he went

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before this, before the filming, before the scenes started, he

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went early to go apologize to everybody about what was

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Speaker 4: Man he delivers it hard. He does he just like

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holy smokes.

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Speaker 2: I love that about him, the fact that he's so

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gentlemanly to show up and he apologizes to all the

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cast and crew. All Right, everyone, guess what I'm getting

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ready to drop a major f BO and I'm very

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sorry about that.

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Speaker 3: I realized that you've been listening to Eddie Murphy.

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Speaker 2: All right everyone. I know that there are young people

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who like to cuss, but that is not me, so.

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Speaker 4: DONOMICI then you know this is this is kind of

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a comeback role for him.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The next movie that he did was Cocoon and he

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won the Best Supporting Actor Oscar from the Miss So cool.

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of this too. He ended up doing Pretty Woman.

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Speaker 3: You know he's not related to Bill Bellamy. Thanks to

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clear that up for Okay, So here's here's that secret

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thing I was going to throw. And if you have

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any idea who Bill Bellamy is, which you should tell me,

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say at Tuirley Podcast on Twitter post a picture of him,

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or if you're into Facebook, post a picture of Bill

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Bellamy on Facebook, and we'll give you a shout out.

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Speaker 2: I want to run. That dude has gone away. I

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don't know what he's doing.

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Speaker 4: He was a big thing there for five minutes. Yep.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: And also in trading places, you have Jamie Lee Curtis.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so you know dan Aykroyd.

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Speaker 3: They were hesitant about having him come in and do

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the show because they weren't sure whether he could be

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funny without John Belushi.

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Speaker 2: That's right, that's right.

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they didn't know that she could be funny at all.

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Speaker 4: Like with screenplaying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she'd done Halloween, she had done Promnite and The

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know if she could be funny.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: One thing they did know though, yeah, she was beautiful.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Okay, So here's the story. You know,

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you've told your Booby story from Airplane. I'm gonna go

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ahead and tell this story now. So this movie came

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out in nineteen eighty three, the summer of nineteen eighty three. Yes,

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my birthday is in October. I was still seven years

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old than nineteen when this movie came out. Okay, we're

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in California and this is where this is where I

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found out that what rated are really ment Okay, so

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it's rated R. And I said, what does that mean?

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Speaker 3: Scene, and so and so we you know, we're in California,

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were visiting my cousins. My brother and my cousins are

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all fifteen years old. I'm seven. The parents are about

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to go out and they're going to go see Doctor Detroit.

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Speaker 4: Detroit.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that has dan Ekrod in it, which was a

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big bomb for him. Fortunately, yeah, fortunately these movies came

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was like, oh, I want to go, and you can't go.

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Speaker 4: It's it's rated R. And I was like I won't

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Speaker 2: It doesn't look scary at all.

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my brother and I go to the big multiplex, the

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in California and we buy tickets for Snow White, and

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then we proceed to go in and watch Trading Places

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when National Lampoon vacation when and risky business. Okay, like

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I got no parent put their hand over my eyes,

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nobody's saying don't look. And so all of a sudden,

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in one day, I am exposed to Jamie Lee Curtis's boobies,

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Rebecca de Mornay's boobies, and Beverly DeAngelo's boobies.

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Speaker 2: That's a glorious day.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 4: Man, I was a changed kid.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's awesome, all right. So switch over to Coming

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to America. Okay, sounds good, all right, So we covered

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Eddie Murphy, the co star with him was our sending

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a hall right, who really hadn't done a whole lot.

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Speaker 3: He had been in a little bit of John Landis's

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long time, but I know it's a It's like a

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Kentucky Fried movie, right, it's different skits, and his skit

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Speaker 3: Okay, So he and Eddie Murphy come to meet in

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kind of a weird way. I haven't gotten a good

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story on this, but it's kind of the way Eddie

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tells it is he's flipped through the channels and he

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sees himself and he's like, well, I don't remember doing that,

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and he goes back and it's like, oh, that's not me,

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that's our Senial Hall. And in our Senior Hall, not

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having done anything. It's really surprising how big his part

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Speaker 2: All without a doubt. And John Lanis actually commented that

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the studio had known how large this part was, they

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never would have gone for our Santa Hall.

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to play these multiple parts. He had done all of

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these characters when he was on Saturday Night Live, but

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you know, nineteen hundreds, the a lot of Jews did

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get their famous by doing blackface. So this would be

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like the flip of that that you are going to

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go and play this old Jewish man. Eddie Murphy's like, yeah,

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except look at me, you know how how am I

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going to be a white man?

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Speaker 3: And so at that point John Landis says, well, I

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know Rick Baker, Rick Baker. So here's a little history

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for American, we'reworth in London, for the Star Wars movies.

473
00:22:01,839 --> 00:22:07,079
For I mean, he's the Michael Jordan of Yeah, he dominated.

474
00:22:08,319 --> 00:22:11,720
So John Landis had had worked on Planet of the

475
00:22:11,759 --> 00:22:14,119
Ape stuff first go around back in the sixties, had

476
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,279
worked on it and went to the guy who had

477
00:22:17,279 --> 00:22:19,759
done the stuff for that for this idea he had

478
00:22:19,799 --> 00:22:22,680
for a movie called Schlock. Schlock was supposed to be

479
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,720
like a parody almost of this movie called trog which

480
00:22:26,759 --> 00:22:28,480
had come out a little while which was short for

481
00:22:28,519 --> 00:22:32,720
Trogolodite and which was absolutely terrible. And he wanted an

482
00:22:32,799 --> 00:22:36,359
actual bad ape costume to wear. And so he goes

483
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,359
to his friend who had done Planet of the Apes

484
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:39,680
and they're like, yeah, I can do one of those

485
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,319
for one hundred thousand dollars for you. Well, okay, the

486
00:22:42,319 --> 00:22:45,039
budget for the movie sixty thousand dollars I don't remember right,

487
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:46,960
And they're like, oh, okay. We go to Don Pope

488
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,799
and so he got here's another big name, and he

489
00:22:49,839 --> 00:22:51,279
goes to him and he's like, oh, yeah, I could

490
00:22:51,279 --> 00:22:53,240
do it for you for only eighty thousand dollars. I think, okay,

491
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,640
I guess I don't know what to do. I'm going

492
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,240
to have to figure this out on my own. But

493
00:22:57,279 --> 00:22:59,960
as he's walking out the door, the Don Pope Junior

494
00:23:00,079 --> 00:23:02,519
comes to him, hands him a card and said, hey,

495
00:23:02,599 --> 00:23:05,359
this kid was in just a little while ago. He's

496
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,200
really good. Give him a try. And he has this card.

497
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,720
It's Rick Baker's business card and it says Rick Baker,

498
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:13,960
Monster Maker.

499
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:15,839
Speaker 4: I love it.

500
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:16,799
Speaker 2: Man, that's so cool.

501
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 4: So he's so he.

502
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,799
Speaker 3: Calls Rick Baker up to come do the makeup for

503
00:23:22,319 --> 00:23:25,400
Coming to America. And you know, obviously Eddie Murphy plays

504
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,880
several characters, but the one with the most detailed makeup

505
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:33,000
is Saul, this old man and this old white Jewish man. Yeah,

506
00:23:33,039 --> 00:23:35,119
so Eddie can do the voice, right, And so the

507
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,920
thing is, can we sell a look? And Rick Baker

508
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,759
actually models him after his father in law.

509
00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 2: Who is a double in the movie. You can actually

510
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:42,519
see him.

511
00:23:42,599 --> 00:23:45,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, on the scenes where Eddie Murphy is the barber,

512
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,279
you still have Saul that you can see behind his shoulder.

513
00:23:48,519 --> 00:23:50,319
You can tell it's not the same guy. Well, it's

514
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:51,960
the guy that they modeled Saul after.

515
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So other people in coming to America

516
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,960
James Earl Jones, who you may recognized as the voice

517
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,319
of Darth Vader, Yes, who actually has a line in

518
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,119
the movie. Yeah, I'll deal with him myself.

519
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a throwback to leave them to me. I

520
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:11,880
will be with them myself.

521
00:24:12,079 --> 00:24:15,839
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I love it. He's been He was in

522
00:24:16,079 --> 00:24:19,279
ConA and The Barbarian and the Sandlot. I mean, he's

523
00:24:19,279 --> 00:24:21,400
been tons of things. But really he's known because he

524
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:22,440
has this great voice.

525
00:24:22,519 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 3: Right well, yeah, I mean he's a fantastic actor all around,

526
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,240
but everybody knows that voice.

527
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:28,519
Speaker 4: It's unmistakable for sure.

528
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,799
Speaker 3: His dad was actually in Trading Places, Robert Earl Jones what, Yeah,

529
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,559
he was. He has a small role as one of

530
00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:37,119
the attendants in Trading Places.

531
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 2: So James Earl Jones. Then you have John Amos, who

532
00:24:40,519 --> 00:24:43,559
is well known for his role in Good Times, right yeah,

533
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,440
TV show from the seventies. Yeah, and then also really

534
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:52,480
well known for his role in Roots. Yeah, he plays adult.

535
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 4: You're right, which comes up in the movie of course.

536
00:24:53,279 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 2: Good du Yeah, it's you know, that's right. He's one

537
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,039
of the best guys in die Hard too.

538
00:25:01,319 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 4: Oh wow, Yeah, that's right. He was one of the

539
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:04,920
army guys I Forart. He's the leader of the cuts

540
00:25:05,559 --> 00:25:07,359
Reels Special Forces. Yeah.

541
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 3: Interestingly, with John Amos, he had done a bunch of stuff.

542
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,640
He was a Golden Gloves boxer, he was a football player,

543
00:25:14,079 --> 00:25:16,880
had played for the Canadian League and eventually got dismissed

544
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,279
from that. And he's kind of figuring out what to do,

545
00:25:19,319 --> 00:25:21,359
but has an agent and they say, hey, you want

546
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,880
to go do a singing McDonald's commercial, and he's like, sure, whatever,

547
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,559
yeah really, So he goes does this singing dancing, get

548
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,480
your get a Mop, get a Bucket commercial with Potsy

549
00:25:34,039 --> 00:25:38,200
before he's Potsy Happy Days, and it ends up being

550
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,839
one of the best McDonald's commercials ever.

551
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 2: And then of course, you know, he goes on to

552
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:45,640
own his own mcdonnllas that's so awesome. A year or two,

553
00:25:46,039 --> 00:25:49,920
I make assistant manager and that's where the big bucks

554
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:56,000
start rolling in, all right. Both of these were directed

555
00:25:56,039 --> 00:26:00,119
by John Landis, who is well known for Uh we

556
00:26:00,319 --> 00:26:04,200
touched on this briefly, but Schlock, Blues Brothers, Animal House,

557
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,960
Spies Like Us, Three Amigos, the Thriller video, which, if

558
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,640
you'll go back to episode one, we talked at length

559
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,279
about the Thriller video and then American WIRELF in London,

560
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,240
and then we need to talk a little bit about

561
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:18,880
the Twilight.

562
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 3: Zone movie Okay, so just before Trading Places happened. John

563
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,079
Landis was one of a handful of directors that was

564
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,440
involved with the Twilight Zone movie.

565
00:26:29,319 --> 00:26:30,839
Speaker 4: His segment was a segment with.

566
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 3: Vic Morrow or Vic Morrow is this racist, bigot who

567
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,880
goes to different places and is in the body of

568
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,880
the people that he's got prejudices against.

569
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:39,319
Speaker 2: That's right.

570
00:26:39,599 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 4: But in the.

571
00:26:40,519 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 3: Production of the movie, there's an accident that occurs and

572
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,039
Vic Morrow and two child actors are killed by a

573
00:26:49,079 --> 00:26:52,400
helicopter that crashes after an explosion, kills them both or

574
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:53,880
kills all three of them, sorry.

575
00:26:53,759 --> 00:26:57,079
Speaker 2: Not just kills them, but horribly decascitates them.

576
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's true.

577
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, so at that, I mean, he's dealing with that

578
00:27:02,039 --> 00:27:04,160
while he's making some of the best movies.

579
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 4: Anybody seeing this is kind of crazy.

580
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 3: He doesn't end up doing the trial on it until

581
00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:11,680
later on, like nineteen eighty seven, I think, is when

582
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,039
the trial happens, And so I can't imagine going through

583
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,839
the experience itself alone, going for years as you're waiting

584
00:27:18,839 --> 00:27:21,000
and then we're talking about not a civil suit, we're

585
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,519
talking about criminal action. Like he and a few of

586
00:27:23,559 --> 00:27:28,000
the other people who were involved were charged with manslaughter and.

587
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 2: So he was really close to going to jail.

588
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, yeah, that had been a long prison term.

589
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 3: And as it turns out, Eddie says, this is the

590
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,000
reason that we didn't get along.

591
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 4: I'm coming to America now.

592
00:27:40,759 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 3: John Lennis gives a different reason why they didn't get along,

593
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,680
but Eddie says, you know, he was mad because I didn't.

594
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,319
I wasn't there and supporting him during his trial. And

595
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,039
so he tries to, you know, treat me like a

596
00:27:53,079 --> 00:27:56,119
little kid, like I was back in trading places, and

597
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,359
I'm not a little kid anymore. And so eventually comes

598
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,359
down to John land Is saying something and Eddie kind

599
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,160
of angrily but playfully puts him in a choke hold.

600
00:28:06,559 --> 00:28:07,599
Speaker 4: And then when John.

601
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 3: Landis tries to playfully you know, grab his crotch, Eddie

602
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,160
titens and cuts off his air and he runs off.

603
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 2: It escalated really quick, right, Yeah, it was.

604
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 4: It was bad and it turned ugly.

605
00:28:18,759 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean they were not happy with each

606
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,039
other as human beings. After the show, they're both very

607
00:28:24,039 --> 00:28:27,000
happy with the movie, obviously, but Landis, on the flip

608
00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:29,480
side of that, said, yeah, he went from being this

609
00:28:29,559 --> 00:28:33,839
you know, super kid to this pig headed jerk ahole

610
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:34,200
is the.

611
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 4: Word that he used. It just wasn't fun to work

612
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,440
with him anymore. But eventually they reconciled.

613
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 2: It did reconcile. But here's the interesting thing to me.

614
00:28:42,519 --> 00:28:45,880
In nineteen ninety, Playboy magazine interviewed Eddie Murphy. Yeah, and

615
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,200
his quote was, this is how harsh this is. Yeah,

616
00:28:49,599 --> 00:28:52,400
Vick Morrow has a better shot of working with John

617
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:53,480
Landis than I do.

618
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 4: Ouch, that's rough.

619
00:28:54,839 --> 00:28:57,319
Speaker 2: And then Beverly Hills Cop Three comes out in ninety four,

620
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,880
So yeah, they buried the hatchet apparently.

621
00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe it's unfortunate if you've seen Beverly Hillstop three.

622
00:29:03,559 --> 00:29:06,759
Speaker 4: Not good. Yeah. Interesting.

623
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 3: You know, we talk about John landisbying this huge rock

624
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,480
star of the eighties. You know, he's got several hits before,

625
00:29:13,559 --> 00:29:16,960
but Trading Place was a huge hit to catapult his career.

626
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,640
Does a bunch of great movies, then does Coming to America.

627
00:29:21,119 --> 00:29:23,799
Speaker 2: And then none of anything that he's done after that,

628
00:29:23,839 --> 00:29:25,200
have I thought it's good?

629
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: Nothing?

630
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 2: All right? So composers real quick. Trading Places has Elmer Bernstein,

631
00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:37,160
our big buddy Elmer Bernstein, Olmer Bernstein, Kevin Bacon game,

632
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:38,480
that's exactly right.

633
00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, So Olmer Bernstein had done all of these great

634
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,960
movies back in the sixties and had been out of

635
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,880
it for a while, and then John Landis brings it

636
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,079
back in with Animal House, and then he starts doing

637
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,599
all of these other great movies again, including Ghostbusters.

638
00:29:52,039 --> 00:29:56,799
Speaker 2: Katy Shack, Spies Like Us, to Kill a Mockingbird, Ten Commandments. Yeah,

639
00:29:56,839 --> 00:29:58,400
he's all over, all over the place.

640
00:29:58,559 --> 00:29:58,759
Speaker 4: Yeah.

641
00:29:59,319 --> 00:30:03,319
Speaker 3: So the movie Trading Places starts off with this music

642
00:30:03,359 --> 00:30:09,799
from the Marriage of Figure Out Yes, which is fantastic

643
00:30:09,839 --> 00:30:11,960
because it not only does it kind of set the stage,

644
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,880
it's kind of the you know, masterpiece theater type of

645
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:19,400
sound where you're seeing the regal dan Aykroyd getting ready

646
00:30:19,759 --> 00:30:24,160
and then his butler who's played by m Eliott right

647
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,839
who you'll remember from and there's a lost start another

648
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,200
throwback who by the way on this one, and the

649
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,519
scenes that he's in he's always funny, like he's just

650
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:38,160
quietly funny. And the second a director on this thing,

651
00:30:38,359 --> 00:30:39,880
you know, they would do a take where he would

652
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,559
have to walk through a door, and he said, every

653
00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:44,759
single time he would do something different, he had some

654
00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:47,039
other business, some other thing that he was doing different,

655
00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:50,440
and it was funny. Every single time. So he goes

656
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,359
to him after the takes and he's he says, mister Elliott,

657
00:30:53,359 --> 00:30:56,039
you know how are you funny? Over and over with

658
00:30:56,119 --> 00:30:59,440
different stuff every time? And he says, my boy, when

659
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,119
you have parts as small as these, you learn to

660
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,240
make something out of them.

661
00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:06,519
Speaker 4: That's awesome. He's great, he's great, He's great.

662
00:31:06,559 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 2: It is Marcus Brodian Raiders.

663
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 3: So I've completely derailed the conversation about the soundtrack.

664
00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 2: No, it's fun, it's fun coming to America's composer is

665
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,400
a guy named Nile Rogers. Does that ring a bell

666
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,720
with you? So he's you may recognize his face. He's

667
00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:27,599
kind of a familiar, familiar looking person. But if you

668
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,079
listen to eighties music at all, you know who this

669
00:31:30,119 --> 00:31:30,519
guy is.

670
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: Okay.

671
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: He did the Reflex by Derandrean Oh Wow, like produced

672
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,759
it right. He produced Let's Dance by David Bowie. He

673
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:44,960
was in the pop band Chic and their song good

674
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:49,640
Times Good Times. And he produced Madonna's first album Lucky

675
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,720
Star Borderline Holiday, and he does a fantastic job with

676
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,440
his soundtrack. They wanted a somebody who could do the

677
00:31:57,519 --> 00:32:00,839
African style music, which he does kind of long the

678
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,119
Lions sleep Tonight in the opening credits, which is great, right.

679
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:12,559
Speaker 3: It's by the group Lady Smith Black Mambazo, who you

680
00:32:12,599 --> 00:32:14,519
will remember if you listen to any of the Paul

681
00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:19,240
Simon songs from that era. Grace Land. Yeah, they're they're

682
00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:21,599
a great musical group. And I noticed I don't know

683
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,720
if this is right. I haven't researched at all, but

684
00:32:23,759 --> 00:32:27,599
as you're listening to that opening, the opening version of

685
00:32:27,759 --> 00:32:30,519
The Lions Sleeps Tonight, there's a little part where it

686
00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:33,200
sounds like they've inserted one of Eddie's laughs in there.

687
00:32:34,319 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 4: I will play it for you here.

688
00:32:38,359 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 2: Okay.

689
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 4: That's Eddie's laugh. I really do.

690
00:32:40,119 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 3: And I think a little bit later on you hear

691
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,119
Arsenia Hall's laugh as well. But anyway, all right, cool.

692
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,480
So on the soundtrack side of things, you've got Lady

693
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:55,960
Smith Black Mumbazo singing moombe. I'm sorry, I don't it's

694
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,720
a Lion sleeps Tonight. But then you've got other songs

695
00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:02,000
that come throughout, a few of them sang by Eddie Murphy.

696
00:33:02,119 --> 00:33:08,119
Speaker 2: Yes, oh, the greatest love of all. That's yeah, Randy.

697
00:33:10,839 --> 00:33:13,839
Speaker 4: I believe you, children, I thank.

698
00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 3: You, okay, And we can't leave the actors and actresses

699
00:33:17,279 --> 00:33:20,799
in Coming to America without mentioning MATG. Sinclair, she was

700
00:33:20,839 --> 00:33:25,119
the Queen of course, and then interestingly later on she

701
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,279
is again the Queen, but the lion Queen to the

702
00:33:29,359 --> 00:33:33,039
Lion King because she again is with James Earl Jones.

703
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:35,839
Speaker 4: In the movie The Lion King. She plays the voice

704
00:33:36,079 --> 00:33:37,839
of Saribe, who is.

705
00:33:38,319 --> 00:33:40,039
Speaker 2: Sims mom, Simba's mom.

706
00:33:40,079 --> 00:33:41,759
Speaker 4: But what's the name of James Earl Jones.

707
00:33:41,799 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 2: Is Mufassa Mufassa.

708
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 3: Yes, so Mufasa Saribe. And then also she plays the

709
00:33:47,759 --> 00:33:50,240
wife of Kuntikine in Roots.

710
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:50,799
Speaker 2: Wow.

711
00:33:51,079 --> 00:33:51,359
Speaker 4: Yeah.

712
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 3: And then James Earl Jones was not in the original Roots,

713
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,680
but was in the second version of Roots the couple

714
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,319
of years later. I can't remember what this I thought

715
00:34:00,359 --> 00:34:04,079
it was, but he was in Roots, you know, part two.

716
00:34:06,279 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 2: Roothe Harder right, Roots with a Vengeance. I do think

717
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,280
it's interesting, as we're diving into these movies that we

718
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,360
find out how many movies are sort of related, right,

719
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,800
trading places and coming to America. We would say they're brothers.

720
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,199
I mean they are Eddie Murphy and John Lands. They're brothers, right,

721
00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:31,760
but sort of cousins to these movies. Are you know

722
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:37,039
the Blues Brothers or Roots, the Roots, the nutty Professor, right, right?

723
00:34:38,599 --> 00:34:42,800
I do want to mention Sherry Headley plays Lisa from

724
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,119
Coming to America. Yes, and she does a great job.

725
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:49,599
She's just a sweetheart and has a great smile. She's

726
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,800
very sort of regal, even though she lives in Queen's right.

727
00:34:53,039 --> 00:34:55,639
You know who finished second for the part of Lisa,

728
00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:57,880
tell me Vanessa Williams.

729
00:34:58,559 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 4: Vanessa Williams who as the singer.

730
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,679
Speaker 2: She's a singer, a very successful singer.

731
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,199
Speaker 3: She was the one who was stripped of her crown

732
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:11,039
for mis Samaricans America for this penthouse spread. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

733
00:35:11,079 --> 00:35:13,400
for sure. Yeah, that was an interesting bit there for

734
00:35:13,679 --> 00:35:14,119
the eighties.

735
00:35:14,159 --> 00:35:14,679
Speaker 4: I remember that.

736
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 2: Okay, let's dive in. I got some tidbits that I

737
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,000
want to bounce off. Yeah, okay, So Trading Places was

738
00:35:23,039 --> 00:35:27,159
originally to star Gene Wilder and Richard Pryor.

739
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,519
Speaker 4: Right, They had done Stir Crazy, which was a huge.

740
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 2: Hit in nineteen eighty. Yeah, and it was originally supposed

741
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,159
to be called Black and White.

742
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:35,519
Speaker 4: It's not very creative.

743
00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:39,159
Speaker 2: That name's terrible. Yeah, but Richard Pryor had to back out.

744
00:35:39,199 --> 00:35:40,840
Did you hear why he had to back out. I

745
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,679
heard it had something to do with him setting himself

746
00:35:42,679 --> 00:35:48,119
on fire. He set himself on fire after freebasing cocaine. Oh,

747
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,559
he was freebasing cocaine and went into this dragon deuce psychosist,

748
00:35:52,559 --> 00:35:54,199
poured rum all over himself and.

749
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 4: Tell you how many times I've done the same?

750
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 2: I mean, who hasn't done that? Oh? Man?

751
00:36:01,639 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 3: So yeah, when when Richard Pryor was out, I mean

752
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,159
he didn't. He didn't, like only a thirty percent shot

753
00:36:07,199 --> 00:36:08,119
of making it through that.

754
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 2: They didn't know if he was gonna live, cause he's

755
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:10,519
a little twitchy.

756
00:36:10,559 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 4: After that, I could too, I can remember. I mean,

757
00:36:12,519 --> 00:36:14,320
I don't know if it was the free basing, the

758
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,360
cocaine or the being on fire, but he wasn't the

759
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:17,199
same guy after that.

760
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,639
Speaker 2: No, And but he actually references that in one of

761
00:36:19,639 --> 00:36:23,199
his comedy stand up routines, which oh yeah, make fun

762
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,239
of yourself, and people laughed and they kind of endeared

763
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:26,679
him to him.

764
00:36:26,679 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 3: It's one of my favorite lines from Scrooge, where Bill

765
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,760
Murray thinks that the waiter is on fire and he's

766
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,400
not actually on fire, and everybody else is confused, and

767
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,159
he grabs the bucket of water and throws it on

768
00:36:38,199 --> 00:36:40,599
the waiter and the waiters looking at him like what,

769
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,960
and he goes, I'm sorry, I thought you were Richard Pryor.

770
00:36:45,039 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 2: Oh man, that's awesome. There is a restaurant in Philadelphia

771
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,880
in the Western Hotel called Winthorpe and Valentine Fantastic after

772
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,199
the movie. How cool is that?

773
00:36:55,519 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 3: So I'm sure you're getting to the you're talking about

774
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,599
them being brothers these two movies.

775
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, you of course have the connection that happens.

776
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 3: Eddie Murphy, in frustration with Simmy making the craphole apartment

777
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,400
look nice, grabs his money and takes it away from

778
00:37:10,519 --> 00:37:13,239
him and sticks it in a McDowell's bag. And then

779
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,719
as he and Lisa are walking, you know, romantically together,

780
00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:19,239
he hands the bag full of money.

781
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 4: To a couple of bums. Well, a couple of bums

782
00:37:22,039 --> 00:37:24,239
turn out to be the Duke brothers.

783
00:37:24,559 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 2: I love that scene. That is my favorite scene in

784
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,159
coming to America. I and partially because I love trading

785
00:37:30,199 --> 00:37:34,280
places so much. But yeah, Donomichi's like, Randolph, leave me alone,

786
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:38,440
more of our Randolf. And there he says, we're back.

787
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:43,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, brother, thank you. Okay, So I'm gonna again. I'm

788
00:37:43,559 --> 00:37:44,280
going to derail this.

789
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,079
Speaker 3: So this is you know, people talk about movies that

790
00:37:48,199 --> 00:37:51,360
are important in black history, and this movie just doesn't

791
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,320
come up, but it should. I mean, this is a

792
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:59,800
movie that there are only three speaking parts for white actors.

793
00:37:59,639 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 2: He's coming to America.

794
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 4: I'm talking about coming to America.

795
00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:04,639
Speaker 3: Got only three speaking parts in this movie. One is

796
00:38:05,559 --> 00:38:08,239
Randolph Duke, the other one is Mortimer Duke, and those

797
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,840
parts are obviously pretty small. And the other one is

798
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:15,639
Louie Anderson, who is hysterical in this movie, but he's

799
00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:16,519
also not got to hunt.

800
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 2: They let us now, Yes, pretty soon, I'll be on fries.

801
00:38:20,559 --> 00:38:23,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, a couple of years, I'll make assistant manager. That's

802
00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:24,719
when the big buck start.

803
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 2: When they were preparing for this movie, and I think

804
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,880
they were in costumes. They're hanging out together anyway. Ralph

805
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,280
Bellamy who had done ninety nine films, Don Amichi had

806
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:39,840
done forty nine films.

807
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 4: This is trading Places.

808
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,199
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, we're back on trade blank, Yes, trading places.

809
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:43,679
Speaker 4: Yeah.

810
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: And Eddie Murphy joked that between the three of them

811
00:38:46,039 --> 00:38:52,880
they had made one hundred and fifty films. One more

812
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,360
thing on trading places before we kind of bounce around

813
00:38:56,039 --> 00:38:58,880
this movie is more than likely based on what's known

814
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,320
as Silver Thursday Day.

815
00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 4: Okay.

816
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 2: I don't know if you're familiar with this, but March

817
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:07,280
twenty seventh, nineteen eighty, the Hunt Brothers from Texas tried

818
00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:11,360
unsuccessfully to corner the market in Silver Oh, okay, And

819
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,519
when the time came and they were they had to

820
00:39:14,519 --> 00:39:17,440
come up with one hundred million to bucks, they didn't have.

821
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,039
Speaker 3: It right, kicked off the market. So that's the end

822
00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:22,639
scene of trading places. And so obviously, you know, this

823
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,719
movie is based on a couple of old storylines. The

824
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,920
Pygmalion My Fair Lady storyline where you take somebody from

825
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,159
the gutter, the Cinderella story you take somebody from the

826
00:39:32,199 --> 00:39:37,119
gutter and you pass them off as a sophisticated elite

827
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,239
type of persons done in that one, and that it's

828
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,000
also based on the Mark Twain the Prince and the Popper,

829
00:39:44,039 --> 00:39:47,880
whereas the Prince trades place with the pauper and the

830
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:52,239
Popper takes over as prince, and it's that whole same storyline,

831
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:52,800
even a.

832
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:53,559
Speaker 4: Line in the movie.

833
00:39:53,639 --> 00:39:57,599
Speaker 3: It's very original, but you know, they do an entirely

834
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:58,840
different thing with it.

835
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,039
Speaker 2: The same story is covered in three stooges. If you've

836
00:40:01,039 --> 00:40:02,800
ever seen Hoi POLOI, Hoi POLOI.

837
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, starts out with a couple of rich guys talking

838
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,440
about how they can take people from the gutter and

839
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,760
pass them off as rich people.

840
00:40:11,159 --> 00:40:13,679
Speaker 2: Yes, they turn the stooges into gentlemen or try.

841
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 3: Actually, yes, let's talk real quick before we get into

842
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,679
the plots, you know, get into the details of the movie.

843
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,880
There are a couple of actors that appear in these

844
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,679
movies in very small, non speaking or one or two

845
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:31,840
line parts in trading places. You get gian Carlo Esposito,

846
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,199
who if you've seen Breaking Bad, he was the guy

847
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,840
from Breaking the bad guy from Breaking Bad. If you've

848
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,719
seen The Mandalorian, he's the guy who shows up at

849
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,840
the end, who's kind of dressed like Darth Vader, who's

850
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,800
the bad guy there. There's been a ton of Spike

851
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,920
Lee movies. Do the Right Thing is all over the

852
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,519
place now, but this was like his first major movie role.

853
00:40:52,599 --> 00:40:55,000
But he's just a guy standing on the leaning against

854
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:55,960
the bars and the jail spell.

855
00:40:57,159 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 4: And then also.

856
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 3: In that same scene, next to Eddie Murphy is the

857
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,880
guy they called do Rag Lenny Lay by Clint Smith

858
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,679
who's a friend of Eddie Murphy's. He's been in a

859
00:41:07,679 --> 00:41:08,960
couple of Saturday Night lives.

860
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 2: Really okay?

861
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,639
Speaker 3: And then Clint Smith, of course, also appears as the

862
00:41:12,679 --> 00:41:15,199
third barber in Coming to America.

863
00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:17,159
Speaker 4: Who's that Boy's good?

864
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 2: Yeah?

865
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 4: Good and terrible.

866
00:41:18,519 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. That scene in the jail cell is hilarious though,

867
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,280
because Eddie Murphy is blowing all this bs to a

868
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,320
few guys who are listening to him, and a couple

869
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,280
of big guys like, hey, man, if you've been in

870
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,280
all these fights, how come you don't look messed up?

871
00:41:32,199 --> 00:41:35,840
Mandy man brus on the inside, so we don't show

872
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,480
our weaknesses. But you too dumb? Remember?

873
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, finished that line? Family friendly, family.

874
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,519
Speaker 2: Friendly scene is so funny. And then that Clint's bed bags.

875
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:49,119
Yeah you do dumb? Yeah?

876
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:49,679
Speaker 4: Yeah?

877
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,519
Speaker 2: You know who was originally supposed to be the King

878
00:41:52,639 --> 00:41:53,559
in Coming to America?

879
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:54,199
Speaker 4: No, I don't know.

880
00:41:54,199 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 2: I'm trying. I'm bouncing all over. They wanted Sydney Potier

881
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:58,880
to be the King.

882
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 4: Oh I didn't know that, and that would have been wrong,

883
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:01,599
that would have been.

884
00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 3: He's too serious, like James Earl Jones can pull off

885
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,599
the comedy somehow, but I've never seen Sidney Potier be

886
00:42:08,599 --> 00:42:10,199
funny in my life.

887
00:42:11,199 --> 00:42:14,639
Speaker 2: Sydney Pade definitely could do the regal, but not the

888
00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:15,079
funny out.

889
00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and James Earl Jones actually wanted the part of McDowell.

890
00:42:19,039 --> 00:42:21,360
He loved the John mcleanal McDowell. He wanted the John

891
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,199
Amos one. So here's an interesting bit. We're just gonna

892
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,199
we're alse this. This scattershot showed at let's do it. So

893
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,079
the interesting bit about McDowell's is, you know, they went

894
00:42:30,119 --> 00:42:32,519
to McDonald's to say, hey, you know, is it okay

895
00:42:32,559 --> 00:42:34,519
if we do this for the movie, because they didn't

896
00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:38,239
want to get sued, of course, and so McDonald's actually said, yeah,

897
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:39,760
I think this is a good idea.

898
00:42:40,159 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 4: They were they were like, yeah, go for it, you

899
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:42,760
can do it.

900
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 3: We actually want you to kind of emphasize how hard

901
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,039
we're going to be on anybody who tries to steal

902
00:42:49,079 --> 00:42:51,320
our trademark ideas. So that was kind of a theme

903
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,159
of the show. But then the corporate office forgot to

904
00:42:54,159 --> 00:42:56,639
tell the local franchisee and so when they show up

905
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,400
to the you know, the old Wendy's that's getting renovated

906
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,960
to make it into McDowell's. The local franchisee shows up

907
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,760
with his lawyer and they're taking pictures, just like the

908
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:07,559
guy in the movie.

909
00:43:07,639 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 4: That's right, we're gonna sue your sack off.

910
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they got the Golden arches minus the Golden arcs.

911
00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:17,440
I see, they got the big mac, I got the

912
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:17,920
big make.

913
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 2: We both got two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles,

914
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:27,360
and onions. But they use a sesame seed punch. My

915
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:28,559
buns have no seats.

916
00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 4: Our bunds have no seeds.

917
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 3: But as he delivers that line, which is already funny,

918
00:43:33,079 --> 00:43:36,119
he smacks the door into Louis Anderson, who spills the

919
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:37,559
coke all over the floor.

920
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 4: It's hysterical.

921
00:43:39,639 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 2: Yes, that's super funny. On coming to America. We're bouncing

922
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:47,599
back now.

923
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 4: But we're still on coming to America.

924
00:43:50,599 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 2: America. The dance scene at the beginning during the wedding, Yes, okay,

925
00:43:54,960 --> 00:44:01,480
you have this big, magnificent thing the wedding. Here comes cheese. Right.

926
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:03,480
That had this big dance routine.

927
00:44:03,519 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 1: You know who.

928
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 2: That was choreographed by I Do Paula Abdul, who had

929
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,000
yet become the big name that she was. In the

930
00:44:12,039 --> 00:44:12,960
later part of the eighties.

931
00:44:13,039 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, she was. She had not released straight Up.

932
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 2: Straight Up came out after coming to America in eighty eight.

933
00:44:20,039 --> 00:44:21,760
Speaker 4: Right, and you know who plays a prominent part in

934
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:22,239
the straight Up.

935
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 2: Video, Arsenio Hall Right, otherwise known as Semi right Man.

936
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,159
Speaker 4: And what a what a career launch. Did you watch

937
00:44:29,199 --> 00:44:30,920
the Arsenial Hall Show when you're a kid?

938
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,039
Speaker 3: I watched it all the wah, I watched that all

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the time.

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Speaker 4: I mean that part alone is iconic.

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Speaker 2: Right, it was a big, big deal in the early nineties. Yeah,

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there is an interesting Arsenio Hall clip. I'm gonna bring

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us down for just a second. Jim Henson was on

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the Arsenio Hall Show, interviewed by Arsenio Hall, and he

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wasn't feeling good and talking about his career and talking

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about some things. But he was on the show and hey,

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I'm here, I'm you're feeling a little sick. It's like,

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I'm all right. Two days later dead he had pneumonia

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or whatever it was, and.

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Speaker 4: Such a loss. Jim Henson was such a critical part

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of our childhood. So you did all these.

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Speaker 3: Things, and you know, Frank Oz was a big part

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of the Jim Henson line. Absolutely, he did the voice

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for Miss Piggy.

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Speaker 2: Fozzie Bear, he did Sam the Eagle, Yeah, he did Yoda.

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Speaker 3: And frank Oz of course, is also a big player

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in all of John Landis's movies. Yes, well almost all.

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He's not in coming to America. But if you get

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the scene where they just arrive in America and they're

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still in the airport, there's an announcement that comes over

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the PA system, Frank Oskowitz, please go to the white

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courtesy phone. That happens, and that's actually frank Oz's real name.

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John land has still found a way to put him.

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Speaker 2: That's really cool. And he's the cop in Trading Places.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and the cop and Blues Brothers too. There's another connection.

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Speaker 3: He's the cop at the beginning of Blues Brothers when

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Jake Blues is getting out of prison and he hands

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them all of his stuff. By the way, another connection,

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the number that Dan Aykroyd holds up whenever he's getting

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his mugshots done is the same number that John Belushi

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had as his prison number in Blues Brothers.

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Speaker 2: That's really cool. Yeah, okay, you mentioned the Muppets. Yeah,

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and Frank oz is in Trading Places. Let's put back

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to trading place.

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Speaker 4: Trading places.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's back to trading place.

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Speaker 4: He's the police officer, are there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's the one who's like he plants the

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He's like this is angel does right BCB you know

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what the stuff does to kids?

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So he's the cop that's sort of in collusion with

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Clarence Peaks. Right, but do you know who the trader

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is for the Duke brothers when they send him in

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and say go buy orange juice? Wilson, Yeah, Wilson By Yeah, No,

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I don't know, just get in there. Let us worry

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about that, right, you know that is His name is

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Richard Hunt.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 2: He did the voice of Scooter from the Muppet movie

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of the Muppets. Janis Oh girl, Jannas is so cool. Okay, guys,

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I told him mom, if I want to run around

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the beach naked.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 2: He did Baker and he did Statler. So he was

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a very prominent muppeteer.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So pretty cool connection there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, someday we'll find the Lorraine.

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Speaker 4: A longer.

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