Speaker 1: Hey, welcome everybody. I want to thank all of you
Speaker 1: guys for jumping in tonight. Here we are nine pm.
Speaker 1: We're running a couple of minutes behind. It's nothing new
Speaker 1: with us anyway. So again I want to welcome everybody here.
Speaker 1: I want to bring the crew in here and our guest.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna have another great podcast tonight, very
Speaker 1: interesting discussion.
Speaker 3: I'm looking looking forward to seeing where this is going
Speaker 3: to go tonight.
Speaker 1: So for you guys, there's no strangers here Melissa and
Speaker 1: David Lester, and tonight we have mister TeV the stars.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask him if I butchered his last name?
Speaker 4: Nailed it?
Speaker 3: Oh good good.
Speaker 1: I have a habit of destroying and butchering people's name, so.
Speaker 5: As well as yours. Las name.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of them are familiar with it because
Speaker 1: they you know, they follow wrestling and everything. You know,
Speaker 1: a lot of them. Ben wah is kind of a
Speaker 1: It's seems to be common with some people.
Speaker 3: Then again, like what what you know?
Speaker 1: I've heard a pronounce it with letters that don't even
Speaker 1: exist in it, Like, oh, butnog, where.
Speaker 3: Do you get that from? You know?
Speaker 1: I don't get it but it's whatever. Well, Keviv, I
Speaker 1: want to thank you for coming on tonight. Uh, this
Speaker 1: is great that you're gonna be with us tonight, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm excited to see where this is gonna go.
Speaker 5: Uh yeah me, oh for sure, for sure.
Speaker 3: We do have a live chat.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know you're you're no strangers of these podcasts.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you understand how they go. Uh yeah, we
Speaker 1: do try our best to pay attentions to the live chat,
Speaker 1: which I'm gonna try to bring it up right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's great. I'll do this a lot for work,
Speaker 4: so I will be happy to chime in on an
Speaker 4: answer any questions that I get real time if I.
Speaker 3: Can, oh a good deal. Well, I think we should
Speaker 3: go ahead jump right into this.
Speaker 1: We got people already with us watching we get the
Speaker 1: live chat, you know, go there right now. So could
Speaker 1: you take back, you know, kind of what got you
Speaker 1: involved with the whole research?
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, what brought you into all this?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well again before I get started things again, Daniel
Speaker 4: and David and Melissa, nice to meet you. Thanks for
Speaker 4: having me the show. So this all kind of started
Speaker 4: back in about it was about nineteen ninety five, that
Speaker 4: is when the Internet was starting to come online. And
Speaker 4: I always kind of joke that I had my mean millennium,
Speaker 4: which is like a type of you know, Microsoft computer,
Speaker 4: and the first the first thing I, you know, would
Speaker 4: search for was Bigfoot, and I happened upon a bfur
Speaker 4: a website. But even before then, you know, I think
Speaker 4: it takes it. I take it back to I would
Speaker 4: always get in trouble a lot because I would always
Speaker 4: want to watch scary movies as a kid, and the
Speaker 4: monster movies, and I would get in trouble because I
Speaker 4: would always keep me up late. But then I think
Speaker 4: it was right about they came out in eighty seven.
Speaker 4: But then Harry and the Henderson's obviously very much affected
Speaker 4: my life. I'm drinking the mug here, so it's definitely
Speaker 4: stayed with me obviously.
Speaker 3: But that was just watch yeah real quick.
Speaker 1: I just watched that last night for the first time
Speaker 1: with my grands I've seen it numerous signs. Yeah, grandson,
Speaker 1: I got to watch it for the first time yesterday.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's five, So.
Speaker 4: What do you think of it?
Speaker 3: I've I liked it.
Speaker 1: I mean he was slapping at it, you know, So
Speaker 1: I was going to enjoyed it.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean what you might not know, Daniels, you
Speaker 4: might have planted the Bigfoot bug in him, so now
Speaker 4: forever more he might want to be chasing it. But
Speaker 4: because that's what happened to me, I saw that movie
Speaker 4: and I and I Bigfoot was always kind of in like,
Speaker 4: you know, the peripheral. I kind of heard about it,
Speaker 4: you know, going up on Wisconsin. I mean we've had
Speaker 4: our own stories of things like that here. That was
Speaker 4: that was probably the genesis, if you will, of what
Speaker 4: what is this? I need to explore more? So I
Speaker 4: would I would say that movie was it?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Absolutely did get Did that get involved in any
Speaker 5: groups that you've joined up to go and exploring with
Speaker 5: or you do it on your own? Yeah?
Speaker 4: You know what, David, So, I actually by researching the
Speaker 4: b f O Bigfoot Field Research or Organization, you know,
Speaker 4: that was the first tipping point of Oh, and then
Speaker 4: obviously the finding Bigfoot show and then realizing that you
Speaker 4: can go out there and you pay to have you Yeah,
Speaker 4: and he kind of brought into these high activity spots,
Speaker 4: so to speak. And so that's actually where I picked
Speaker 4: up with the bf RO O. I never I guess
Speaker 4: never became an actual member or had gotten ever tapped
Speaker 4: on the shoulder to do any investigation. I mean I
Speaker 4: was still in college, going to school, trying to finish
Speaker 4: things up, starting work, Like I just didn't have the
Speaker 4: time to become an investigator. But that was the I
Speaker 4: mean I went. I went on several expeditions, but in
Speaker 4: fact it was the first one in Los Alamos, New Mexico,
Speaker 4: which was the one where we had basically a Class
Speaker 4: B experience. We I'm happy to get into that right
Speaker 4: away if you'd like, But that's that's where things got
Speaker 4: kicked off there.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, what is it. I'm not familiar with classes
Speaker 5: as far as that Class B. See what they have
Speaker 5: if Daniel knows, we haven't gotten that part with Daniel
Speaker 5: and that we will be within five years. But I
Speaker 5: know they're different category took.
Speaker 4: Janna, Do you want to go ahead and explain that?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 3: Well, I could try my best.
Speaker 1: I know Class AS, like the top up there is
Speaker 1: actually a visual fighting, uh I know the other ones
Speaker 1: I'm not familiar with. Class A is only more of
Speaker 1: the ones I'm more clean on because I know that's
Speaker 1: like a clear, straight visual I don't want to butcher
Speaker 1: up the other ones. I mean, one's more like sometimes
Speaker 1: they can be related to vocals and close activity, but.
Speaker 4: That's and that's that's basically a class B is anything
Speaker 4: vocal that you hear. So and and in fact we
Speaker 4: I'm happy to get into more of the detail the story.
Speaker 3: But oh yeah, feel free, all right.
Speaker 4: So setting this up, so Los almost this was our
Speaker 4: first expedition. This was where I actually have brought in
Speaker 4: a family member with me just to just kind of
Speaker 4: see what this whole experience with the b f R
Speaker 4: O was like. You know, for those who are familiar
Speaker 4: with or maybe not familiar with finding Bigfoot, this was
Speaker 4: met Moneymaker's kind of organization of groups of people throughout
Speaker 4: the entire US who are kind of in each state
Speaker 4: more or less besides Hawaii, who are finding Bigfoot. Right.
Speaker 4: So at this point in time, I was kind of
Speaker 4: living in Texas and so it wasn't the farthest drive
Speaker 4: to get to New Mexico. So that's where we decided
Speaker 4: to go. And this is where everything kind of kicked off.
Speaker 4: Like I had said, and you know, the first night
Speaker 4: and I wasn't super familiar with camping. I would just
Speaker 4: put that out there. I wasn't.
Speaker 6: No, I didn't.
Speaker 4: I didn't know what I was seeing or hearing or
Speaker 4: you know, my eyes were still kind of getting used
Speaker 4: to the forest and how dark it can actually get,
Speaker 4: and what shapes and things look like in shadow against
Speaker 4: the you know, the backdrop of a fire. You know,
Speaker 4: So those were when you have those kind of dancing
Speaker 4: shadows and things like that, you're you're kind of just
Speaker 4: in for the ride. But what it really was. So
Speaker 4: the first night we kind of you know, sat around,
Speaker 4: talked about things of what the three day was going
Speaker 4: to entail. And the first night when we did finally
Speaker 4: kind of go out, I mean already immediately we already
Speaker 4: kind of had heard some what was you know, this
Speaker 4: is kind of a buzzword for some of those, but
Speaker 4: this very lumbrous walking where you heard this crunch, crunch, crunch,
Speaker 4: and it had a rhythm to it, which just was
Speaker 4: it seemed like this was a tall being. This was
Speaker 4: maybe about one hundred yards perhaps you know, again being
Speaker 4: new to the woods, that that's just what I can
Speaker 4: surmise that that's how far it was away, and so
Speaker 4: this was maybe about one hundred yards, but you kind
Speaker 4: of hear this walking and then nothing really happened, but
Speaker 4: it was kind of exciting because you know, we're radioing
Speaker 4: in like are you hearing this? Is anyone else there?
Speaker 4: Like who could be there? And you know, the leaders
Speaker 4: of this group was saying everyone's accounted for and unless
Speaker 4: it's someone just walking in the woods, it's but it's bipedal.
Speaker 4: That's That's the big takeaway there for that was night one.
Speaker 4: Night two is where really changed my life because we
Speaker 4: we were there was this actually this trail that went
Speaker 4: down kind of where our tent was, and it just
Speaker 4: kind of meandered. We didn't know quite where it went,
Speaker 4: you know, it's just this kind a hiking trail, if
Speaker 4: you will. So then it was me again family, remember,
Speaker 4: and this other fella and then another guy and then
Speaker 4: one of the other kind of leaders if you will,
Speaker 4: of the bf row and this guy. Just to put
Speaker 4: this out there, this guy was like six seven six eight,
Speaker 4: I mean he was a tall fella. What I recollect
Speaker 4: and so I'll get back to why that's important. But
Speaker 4: we decided to kind of go down this path, all
Speaker 4: five of us, but then it kind of split off
Speaker 4: and so this the tall fella and another person they
Speaker 4: kind of took one direction, myself, family member, and this
Speaker 4: other guy we went the other and we kind of
Speaker 4: huddled and said, you know, let's let's just what do
Speaker 4: we what's our game plan? And I kind of said,
Speaker 4: you know, let's just try this. Let's let's see if
Speaker 4: we can kind of walk every thirty feet or so
Speaker 4: and stop in the shadows of these you know, these
Speaker 4: trees that are kind of really well lit because it
Speaker 4: was a very full moonlight. And I think that's important
Speaker 4: because a lot of bigfooters will kind of tell you
Speaker 4: that maybe no moon is best, or half moon or
Speaker 4: full moon. But I have to say that the best
Speaker 4: experiences that I've ever had is with the full moon,
Speaker 4: and up in this Los Alamos area that you know,
Speaker 4: up in the mountains, it was so deadly quiet that
Speaker 4: you you could actually kind of hear your pulse beating
Speaker 4: in your ear. There was no flies, no mosquitos, no nothing,
Speaker 4: no wind. So as we're kind of continuing this little
Speaker 4: test of starting and stopping in the shadow line of
Speaker 4: these trees, we came to a stop and we kind
Speaker 4: of were paused. Well, sure enough, there was this little
Speaker 4: trickle pebble just kind of came down this mountainside or hill,
Speaker 4: and we kind of looked and you know, you're supposed
Speaker 4: to kind of give coordinator or you know, kind of
Speaker 4: give a clock reference as did you hear your six? Yeah,
Speaker 4: I didn't. I didn't catch it. Yeah I caught it
Speaker 4: something like that. But everyone kind of heard this pebble
Speaker 4: that me and these two other guys, and so we
Speaker 4: didn't have then this is on us. We were novice,
Speaker 4: but we didn't have any recording equipment. We didn't have
Speaker 4: any night vision that came later and expeditions. It was
Speaker 4: just us, just us there experiencing. So we acknowledge that
Speaker 4: there was this kind of this pebble that trickled down
Speaker 4: and I didn't see anything. I mean, you can again
Speaker 4: you can kind of see into the forest because of
Speaker 4: this this moon was so bright, but didn't see anything.
Speaker 4: Maybe we took another ten or twenty steps to get
Speaker 4: further down into this trail, and then we heard this
Speaker 4: deep and then again buzzword kind of guttural growl that
Speaker 4: was so deep in the base. Literally it kind of
Speaker 4: I can still remember, like your shirt just kind of
Speaker 4: trembles a little bit on your chest and if I
Speaker 4: can reenact at the best they can, but it came
Speaker 4: across as kind of this and it just kind of
Speaker 4: we all looked at each other and this was it
Speaker 4: was an immediate reaction of stop, go back, do not
Speaker 4: come any further. That was the sentiment that, like we
Speaker 4: we had gotten in a million things are kind of
Speaker 4: rushing through again a new person's head thinking well, that
Speaker 4: wasn't a wolf, it wasn't a cat, maybe a bear
Speaker 4: like these things would have maybe let themselves know or
Speaker 4: not know that they're there because they're going to try
Speaker 4: to you know, eat you or whatever it might be.
Speaker 4: But this thing let us let us know that it
Speaker 4: was there and not to I mean again, the sentiment
Speaker 4: I got was don't come any further.
Speaker 1: Wow, what you imitated there reminds me of David before
Speaker 1: his coffee after.
Speaker 3: No. Could you back us up on? I'm curious what
Speaker 3: state is this taking place?
Speaker 4: This is in New Mexico, Yeah, yeah, and New Menestaco
Speaker 4: is an interesting, you know state because there are there
Speaker 4: are you know, mountain ranges like Monkey you know Monkey
Speaker 4: Mountain and things like that which are borrowed from you know,
Speaker 4: the Indians are Native Americans in that area, and that's
Speaker 4: directly because of I believe their experiences and so they're
Speaker 4: they're naming those areas like that. So this was Los
Speaker 4: Alamos and so when that happened, we all kind of said,
Speaker 4: all right, we're we're out of our element. We need
Speaker 4: to go back. We need to radio this, you know,
Speaker 4: b FRO leader, the big guy, So finally radioed him
Speaker 4: once we kind of got into signal. He said, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, come, we're at the pass or we'll meet
Speaker 4: you at that where we kind of split up, but
Speaker 4: you can kind of start walking our direction. So we
Speaker 4: we finally got to the splitting up point, we kind
Speaker 4: of started heading in their direction towards their path. And
Speaker 4: and this is a part of the story where I
Speaker 4: don't know quite what to make of it, but I'll
Speaker 4: share it because I believe some others have had experiences
Speaker 4: like this. But I saw this grapefruit with a larger
Speaker 4: kind of glow around it orb the light that was
Speaker 4: in the forest. And at first I said, oh, you know,
Speaker 4: I think I see you. You're right there, and he
Speaker 4: responded back and it's like, there's no way, like you
Speaker 4: got to walk a good ten minutes before you're even
Speaker 4: like around anywhere where we are, Like that's not us,
Speaker 4: and I didn't make it again, didn't make anything of it, okay,
Speaker 4: like the mission is to get grouped together. Didn't think
Speaker 4: anything of it to kind of fast forward the next
Speaker 4: day when I did go back to where we were
Speaker 4: and to think about what it was that I saw.
Speaker 4: That light was actually in the middle of a tree
Speaker 4: line twenty thirty feet above the ground because they kind
Speaker 4: of dipped, actually the path dipped and this tree line,
Speaker 4: so like that wasn't a person.
Speaker 5: About how far away? Average? What would you get.
Speaker 4: Thirty yards thirty forty yards? I mean fifty fifty Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean it was enough to be like, oh, there
Speaker 4: they are. Because I said it out loud. The guys
Speaker 4: I was with heeard it like oh where, But so
Speaker 4: I see this thing and like I said, it was
Speaker 4: this kind of ambush glow which I thought was actually
Speaker 4: the red glow of a headlamp, nightlight, the headlamp right, No,
Speaker 4: it wasn't them. We met up. Told this person his
Speaker 4: name is Bill, told Bill what happened. We walked back.
Speaker 4: This is where we got ground that we kept walking
Speaker 4: and actually got we reached a meadow, gorgeous meadow. The
Speaker 4: moon again was just lighting everything you could see down
Speaker 4: it up.
Speaker 6: It.
Speaker 4: It was just kind of this a little bit of
Speaker 4: like an incline or decline if you will. But then
Speaker 4: on the other side there's another forest line. Well let's
Speaker 4: keep walking. As we're kind of walking through this meadow,
Speaker 4: Bill says to me and the rest of us, now,
Speaker 4: I'm going to stop you because I just need to
Speaker 4: make sure that if anything happens, and if we get
Speaker 4: bluff charged, to put your head down and just sit
Speaker 4: down and don't look at it in the eyes. Like
Speaker 4: as if this was an African safari and someone was
Speaker 4: telling us, hey, if a silver back guerilla looks at
Speaker 4: you in charges, just sit down and don't look at
Speaker 4: it in the eyes. It was the same thing. And
Speaker 4: at that moment I had to really reflect quickly of
Speaker 4: what it is that we're doing here and acknowledge that
Speaker 4: if something does happen, Number one, I have to acknowledge
Speaker 4: that this thing exist and to not lose my you know, dinner.
Speaker 4: And then number two, I have to just sit down calmly. Right,
Speaker 4: you just give a verbal yep, sure works for us,
Speaker 4: and you keep moving. So that's what we did. We
Speaker 4: all kind of gave this verbal you know, acceptance. We
Speaker 4: kept going. As we kind of reached again this was
Speaker 4: the meadow was maybe only about you know, eighty yards
Speaker 4: if that, you know, across, and we were already kind
Speaker 4: of there. So this was a very quick acknowledge and continue.
Speaker 4: And so then once we finally got to just about
Speaker 4: twenty feet from the edge of the next forest line,
Speaker 4: Bill kind of whipped out this, you know, wood blocker.
Speaker 4: Let me try something, and so he hits this wood blocker. Nothing,
Speaker 4: I think you did it again. Nothing. Okay, well, let's continue,
Speaker 4: let's see what happens. As soon as we got maybe
Speaker 4: about ten or again another twenty feet into this forest line,
Speaker 4: this is when we actually had a tree get you know, cracked, crunched.
Speaker 4: It starts coming down. You hear the leaves hitting other
Speaker 4: leaves and twigs and things are popping, and it's just
Speaker 4: coming down. And this was maybe I would say fifty
Speaker 4: yards from where we were, if that even. What is
Speaker 4: very what was very alarming at this point is that
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, there was this massive rumble that
Speaker 4: started happening. And sure enough, there was mountain cattle that
Speaker 4: was in this forest line, about thirty of them that
Speaker 4: all had gotten up and just it was a stampede
Speaker 4: out of that forest line into the meadow and you
Speaker 4: could see it and it was just like it was.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 4: I didn't know what was happening, and I was kind
Speaker 4: of say this part of the story where I'll be
Speaker 4: vulnerable and share that I reached back for that family
Speaker 4: member because I thought this might be it. I wasn't
Speaker 4: quite sure what was going to happen. And what was
Speaker 4: interesting about that is we were, you know, five guys
Speaker 4: with boots and gear and crap and just kind of
Speaker 4: walking that none of that spooked this cattle. What spooked
Speaker 4: his cattle was the fact that there was this massive
Speaker 4: you know, not massive, but like there was a good
Speaker 4: and we checked it later on five to six inch
Speaker 4: in diameter. I mean, that's not nothing intrigue. It kind
Speaker 4: of cracked and popped and pushed down. That spooked them.
Speaker 4: So once they all kind of ran out down and
Speaker 4: they kind of settled down again, one of the guys
Speaker 4: did have I think a flour or some type of
Speaker 4: a night vision camera, and so he goes, I'm trying
Speaker 4: to get my camera and he didn't quite know how
Speaker 4: to work it, which kills me every time I tell
Speaker 4: this story. But it's like give it to somebody, you know,
Speaker 4: like what are you doing? And we were just trying
Speaker 4: to try to get our bearings and trying to understand
Speaker 4: what's happening in the cattle and like where is this thing?
Speaker 4: What's going to happen next? And then you just hear
Speaker 4: this lumbrous crunch, crunch, crunch as it just kind of
Speaker 4: walks further on down and it just kind of disappeared
Speaker 4: or dissipated, this this walking noise. And at that point
Speaker 4: we were informed that you know, when typically you get
Speaker 4: a tree knocked down, game over and you're never a
Speaker 4: you're never going to like catch up to this thing
Speaker 4: and be the next thing that it could do. Might
Speaker 4: it might be it might start to get aggressive, right,
Speaker 4: And so it was at that point where we decided
Speaker 4: maybe we need to head back, regroup, get all the
Speaker 4: data written down and told and said like that, and
Speaker 4: maybe we were up for hours after that. I don't
Speaker 4: even know if we went to bed, not at least
Speaker 4: not until the morning. But like that was the that
Speaker 4: was the big I mean talk about a grand finale
Speaker 4: at your your second night out ever going big footing.
Speaker 4: So that was that was that story.
Speaker 5: Oh for sure. Then and that's the first time really
Speaker 5: been in the woods. Is that what you said?
Speaker 4: Pretty much? David Yees, I mean that in that capacity,
Speaker 4: in that capacity, yeah, so I mean I'm not a
Speaker 4: hunter at that point. I was not a big camping person.
Speaker 5: That's fine. I was just curious because you got a
Speaker 5: lot of it, basically your first let's back up to
Speaker 5: the light of a second when you've seen that light. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm I'm trying to make a comparison here what we experienced.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it sounds differently. He mentioned amber colors, so
Speaker 1: I got the amber part. I don't know colors really matter.
Speaker 1: But as far as the light itself, did it look pure,
Speaker 1: did it look.
Speaker 5: Like a radiated any like energy. Did it illuminate the
Speaker 5: area around it, or project a beam like a flashlight,
Speaker 5: or it was just there.
Speaker 7: It It was almost as if someone had a turn
Speaker 7: there red headlamp on, but they were in like a
Speaker 7: tree stand so where you could see a focal point
Speaker 7: of it.
Speaker 4: It illuminated at one specific spot. It kind of got
Speaker 4: any kind of the illumination kind of dissipated after maybe
Speaker 4: about this big This was about the size of it,
Speaker 4: and then I think about a basketball size was the
Speaker 4: glow of it, and that was kind of it.
Speaker 5: So it didn't behave like a normal type light. That's
Speaker 5: what I'm trying to get at.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it didn't. It didn't flutter or flicker or
Speaker 4: oscillate any of that.
Speaker 5: Made like a flashlight other than what you presumed it
Speaker 5: might have been. And it didn't come across like a
Speaker 5: floodlight a flashlight. No, somebody with the light they could
Speaker 5: move full moon that night.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so therefore.
Speaker 5: You still have some ambient light in there, but that
Speaker 5: did not interfere with the ambient light at all to
Speaker 5: where it had its own lights towards besides it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean this is I would the way I
Speaker 4: would say it is. Yes, it had its own light source.
Speaker 4: This was not like a stream of lights. It wasn't
Speaker 4: something that projected. And at that point we were under
Speaker 4: enough uh you know, forest cover. The moon was really
Speaker 4: kind of it was hard to get through that, and
Speaker 4: so this is where it just was very clear. It's
Speaker 4: where again I was saying, oh, I see you guys,
Speaker 4: you're right there and like.
Speaker 5: And that's natural. Yeah, because you knew there were other
Speaker 5: people out there. I'm only asking this this because last
Speaker 5: may real quick that get a lot of detail for
Speaker 5: my first time and Daniels with me and two other people,
Speaker 5: we've seen a white peer light in the woods about
Speaker 5: maybe eight inches stameter, about forty yards away, about three
Speaker 5: or four foot off the ground nighttime, around ten o'clock
Speaker 5: at night, and they ended to protecting the light radiing
Speaker 5: anty light. It didn't look like it was electrified or
Speaker 5: anything like that, just a white round pier of light.
Speaker 5: I've seen him about two seconds. I got Daniel's attention
Speaker 5: when he's seen it. He looked at about two seconds,
Speaker 5: so we've seen it roughly four to five seconds before
Speaker 5: it take up no extra heat, no nothing, nothing, animals
Speaker 5: or anything was in that area. It didn't leave back
Speaker 5: any kind of a heat source. We don't know what
Speaker 5: that was.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, and at that point alone, I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and I appreciate that. You know, I don't know what
Speaker 4: it was either. You know, this is where as you
Speaker 4: get into the Bigfoot conversations and different viewpoints, it kind
Speaker 4: of does perhaps bring some of the you know, getting
Speaker 4: another buzzword like the woo, you know.
Speaker 5: The rais questions, but we can't pinpoint it racious questions. Yeah,
Speaker 5: just like we We had other things happened too, But
Speaker 5: we're out looking for Bigfoot, cryptotype, whatever. But the other
Speaker 5: things happen when you're looking for that one specific thing.
Speaker 5: Now that leads into more questions on what the heck
Speaker 5: is going on out here. Yeah, I mean, we had
Speaker 5: a lot of things happened besides that, not Bigfoot related,
Speaker 5: paranormal related. And it's all primitive. Where we will go camping,
Speaker 5: it's all primitive. Take in with you, take out what
Speaker 5: you know, take it out when you leave.
Speaker 4: What are there some of those experiences that you both
Speaker 4: have had if I could ask.
Speaker 5: Well, all of us, uh, this past year, for the
Speaker 5: first time we've been going there for the last three years.
Speaker 5: September two thousand and twenty four, a couple come down
Speaker 5: for Pennsylvania real quick, Paul and Cheryl, and I showed
Speaker 5: them where they could park at the gate to walk
Speaker 5: to the lake just right out of mile walk to
Speaker 5: the lake. We were all packing up, getting ready to leave,
Speaker 5: but they're gonna finish up the weekend because they got
Speaker 5: down there a little lake. So while we were packing up,
Speaker 5: they went for the walk. They came back from the
Speaker 5: walk a couple hours later, were packed up. We wait
Speaker 5: for them to get back so we can watch the trailer.
Speaker 5: You know, it's primitive, but you still gotta be wary
Speaker 5: of people come around stealing stuff. Just happen out there.
Speaker 5: They'll sit up on the ridge line with pinoclars and
Speaker 5: look at some of the campsites around, wait for people
Speaker 5: to leave, and then they'll go down and hijack the stuff.
Speaker 5: It's rare that happens, but just the thing. We always
Speaker 5: look after each other stuff. But when they got back,
Speaker 5: we stopped to say goodbye to them, and Cheril says, yeah,
Speaker 5: I've seen a bear and crazy, Yeah, we're getting out
Speaker 5: of the trucks. You've seen a bear up on the
Speaker 5: bankman running down the embankment, across the road, down into
Speaker 5: the ravine, going down towards the stream Vedess back there.
Speaker 5: I mean, we've all know what that area is, just
Speaker 5: about maybe thirty to forty yards from the gate. And
Speaker 5: I looked at Craig and I says, uh, you know,
Speaker 5: I looked at his wife again. I says, when it
Speaker 5: ran across the road, was on one legs or two?
Speaker 5: She said, two legs, and as fast as it ran,
Speaker 5: And the script she gave to me I told her
Speaker 5: that does not sound like a bear, because bears don't
Speaker 5: run on two legs like that.
Speaker 6: They may get up.
Speaker 5: On two legs and hobble fort a little bit kind
Speaker 5: of fast, but they don't have the bodytructure of the
Speaker 5: hip structure to be able to run like a primate,
Speaker 5: run like a person, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 5: that was that time, then last that was September twenty
Speaker 5: twenty four, the last May. We seen that ball of
Speaker 5: light in the woods one night, twenty minutes before that,
Speaker 5: and another guy with us from Richmond drew before we
Speaker 5: seen that light to get his head and back to camp.
Speaker 5: He's seen eye shine in the off in the field
Speaker 5: where we left him at two, a couple of sets
Speaker 5: of eye shine. He couldn't identify what it was. And
Speaker 5: the grasses out there anywhere from two to four foot high.
Speaker 5: It spread. It's like an open field forre get into
Speaker 5: the woodline again because this.
Speaker 6: Is a national forest.
Speaker 3: Yeah's approaching him, Yeah, that's yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah. That spooked him pretty good, and so much so
Speaker 5: he started walking away and it was pacing him a
Speaker 5: little bit. He got out of his whistle and started
Speaker 5: blowing the whistle, which we didn't know we had we
Speaker 5: didn't hear no whistle, and that didn't spook it at all. Well,
Speaker 5: he got spooked. He headed back to camp pretty good pace.
Speaker 5: Melistened to the back of base camp seeing it's light,
Speaker 5: beig bopping about coming back again. Watching. Yeah. Well, Melissa
Speaker 5: calls on the radio and gave us a brief thing
Speaker 5: that Drew just seeing some eyes shine in the out
Speaker 5: of the woods and spook him kind a bit, but a bit.
Speaker 5: So we turned around, started heading back to camp and
Speaker 5: about two hundred yards where Drew had his encounters where
Speaker 5: we see the light and we're still heading back to camp. Uh,
Speaker 5: that was the order for you. About four thirty five
Speaker 5: or four yards way. Yeah, And it wasn't in the sky,
Speaker 5: it wasn'tup in the trees. It was down towards the ground,
Speaker 5: almost side level.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 5: You could tell by your eyes where you're looking at. Okay,
Speaker 5: And we did have a full moon. Now there was
Speaker 5: a little bit of ambul light in the woodline. Tega,
Speaker 5: see shadows here and there and whatnot. But it's pretty dark.
Speaker 5: But it didn't it didn't throw a beam of light.
Speaker 5: It didn't light us up like a flashlight. It didn't
Speaker 5: radiate any ambulight around it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, was pretty thick bush.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, and uh and and and the thing of
Speaker 5: it is, Daniels seen it, so I know whether fixed
Speaker 5: on my imagination.
Speaker 6: Uh, I think Pete.
Speaker 3: My wetted briefly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, sort of briefly he was a little further
Speaker 5: back behind and looking over in that same area of
Speaker 5: I don't know what gout's attention, Uless, you heard me
Speaker 5: and Daniel talking. Uh, But anyway, that's when it seemed like.
Speaker 5: So we headed back to camp to get Drew's account
Speaker 5: of what he experienced and stuff like that. Bear in mind,
Speaker 5: this area here is all in the same general area
Speaker 5: where Cheryl had her encounter with something running across the road.
Speaker 5: We see the light, Drew has his experience in the
Speaker 5: woodline and mean then a filled towards the woodline and
Speaker 5: all that was in May. And now this past September,
Speaker 5: we were out there camping. We didn't see a light.
Speaker 5: We started having electrical issues, radio's going dead, batteries going dead.
Speaker 5: Coming back to the law had one with his flashlight because
Speaker 5: after the weekend by himself my DJAI Action four, I
Speaker 5: was letting the listenly use it. I was trying to replicate,
Speaker 5: replicate a sound. We don't. This is at all primitive.
Speaker 5: We don't have power lines, power sources, is nothing out there.
Speaker 5: I mean, this is and out in the woods. And
Speaker 5: one night I've been recording with this for several years,
Speaker 5: and this one night, me, Daniel, Craig and Drew went
Speaker 5: to a campsite that wasn't being occupied, about maybe a
Speaker 5: quarter a mile a half a mile from where we
Speaker 5: were camping at it. While we were walking down into
Speaker 5: where the fire pit was, I picked up this static
Speaker 5: on my Action four. You faintly hear it gets a
Speaker 5: little louder and louder and louder, then just shuts off
Speaker 5: the lasts for about maybe five or six seconds. My
Speaker 5: first thought was was it could have been a bug,
Speaker 5: But then again I didn't hear anything that night, and
Speaker 5: I didn't discover this until the next day when I
Speaker 5: was going back and listening to the recordings from the
Speaker 5: night before, got them involved in it down the recording
Speaker 5: part of it. But then that next night, Melissa is
Speaker 5: one to go out on the hike with it, so
Speaker 5: I stayed back in base camp, so I was letting
Speaker 5: there used by Action four when I got it on
Speaker 5: the chest read to go uh. A little while later,
Speaker 5: before the guilt was going on the hikes, she came says,
Speaker 5: by action, can't action? Can turned on by itself. Now,
Speaker 5: it's not an easy button to push in. You just
Speaker 5: can't tap and it comes on and it's it's weather proof,
Speaker 5: it's got the real hard rubber for what. You got
Speaker 5: to press in for about a half a second, I
Speaker 5: mean pressing in for it to make contact. I shut
Speaker 5: it off. A little while later, I was in the
Speaker 5: tent getting ready to I was making some coffee and
Speaker 5: Melissa came back in, so it turned on by itself again.
Speaker 5: We turned it off, and then she leaves, and then
Speaker 5: a few seconds later my MP three player on the
Speaker 5: table inside the tent. I see the light come on.
Speaker 5: It turned on by itself. I've never had that happen before.
Speaker 5: It just don't make any sense now, keeping them up
Speaker 5: all this is the.
Speaker 8: Same area, and it's what I My take on it, though,
Speaker 8: is that I mean personally, I would I don't know
Speaker 8: if I.
Speaker 4: How much into the correlation and causation side of things
Speaker 4: with bigfoot. With we don't know there's lights and we
Speaker 4: don't number one, we don't know.
Speaker 5: We don't know, and we can't. We can only tell
Speaker 5: what we experience, what was happening. People can make their
Speaker 5: own conclusions. We're not going to jump down the rabbit
Speaker 5: hole and be saying it's Bigfoot related. We don't know,
Speaker 5: you know, it could be strictly paranormal for something else.
Speaker 5: Now we've grew up with paranormal stuff. We've actually gone
Speaker 5: on video and everything ourselves. But we don't know. But
Speaker 5: I mean, it's just things are really happening now when
Speaker 5: we're camping out. We don't have an explanation for it.
Speaker 5: That's how I was wanting the correlation between the light
Speaker 5: you've seen, so I can make a comparison it was.
Speaker 5: I mean, they're different. You hear stories of lights all
Speaker 5: over the place, So that's the first time I want
Speaker 5: to emulated something like what we would see.
Speaker 6: No projection of light. It was just there forever how long.
Speaker 5: I don't know how long was there before we've seen it,
Speaker 5: but we only seen it maybe four maybe five seconds
Speaker 5: at the max. It could have been there a while longer,
Speaker 5: but then again all that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so the one and I'm going to say that
Speaker 4: there was and to kind of answer the question here.
Speaker 4: I mean to me, a good audio recorder is anything
Speaker 4: that's got an X Y capability. Yeah, that's a microphone direction.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Me and David, we both have.
Speaker 5: The omni direction.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we both have Zoom and the great devices I
Speaker 3: have recorded.
Speaker 5: Yeah, my chief.
Speaker 1: My, yeah, my chief one I've compared to my zoom,
Speaker 1: my zoom. I have a two hundred dollars nearly a
Speaker 1: two hundred dollars doo, and it's excellent, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: But I've learned that the charge on it, it don't
Speaker 1: last long if you keep recording.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's just I need to get better batteries. I
Speaker 3: don't know. But my cheap one, which I paid there
Speaker 3: just underfer dollars for.
Speaker 5: We looked up to a battery pack. That's what I
Speaker 5: do with my something like cameras. Yeah, but our chap
Speaker 5: recorders last and I don't battery power. Yeah, but the
Speaker 5: zooms don't. I guess it's just the way they made,
Speaker 5: you know, they.
Speaker 3: Use a lot more energy or a lot more juice.
Speaker 5: I got to find up to a battery pack when
Speaker 5: I set it out for overnight recording. We'll leave our
Speaker 5: recorders out early evening till next morning and then go
Speaker 5: back and do it all night long.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: There. So the one or I mean it or right
Speaker 4: a light source. So the one in New Mexico was
Speaker 4: more was round. I mean that was like a you know,
Speaker 4: I couldn't get him around in a basketball. The the
Speaker 4: next one was more and nothing really happened here from
Speaker 4: like a bigfoot standpoint of the other. This light that
Speaker 4: we had seen, this was in actually the Sam Houston
Speaker 4: National Forest in Texas. And this is where this light
Speaker 4: source was more oval, I mean almost to the point
Speaker 4: like it came from you know, an early nineties Cadillac
Speaker 4: tail light, that's how big and bright. And this was
Speaker 4: more red. This came on again as soon as you
Speaker 4: acknowledged it that it came on, and it was there
Speaker 4: and it came off. But this was maybe two or
Speaker 4: three hundred or so year like two yards I would say,
Speaker 4: like one hundred or sow one hundred and twenty yards away,
Speaker 4: but again more of a flat plain area into a
Speaker 4: forest line. You see this kind of light that had
Speaker 4: definitely a little bit more of a reddish pinkish hue
Speaker 4: to it. And we were there and this wasn't supposed
Speaker 4: to be the exact the spot that we were supposed
Speaker 4: to go to in sam Houston. And I tried looking
Speaker 4: this up and I'm gonna mention it just in case
Speaker 4: anyone else can, you know, do their investigation into it.
Speaker 4: But there was a torn up camp that happened in
Speaker 4: sam Houston that was actually investigated by the FBI, which
Speaker 4: we couldn't actually go to our to the camp site
Speaker 4: that we wanted to. We had to get pushed off
Speaker 4: to like Grand Central Station with the toilets there and
Speaker 4: the showers and all that stuff. So we actually couldn't
Speaker 4: go camping to this one spot. And so I always
Speaker 4: thought that that it was a very interesting piece of
Speaker 4: information to have been told, just because when there's this
Speaker 4: torn up camp. It turned out to be like, well
Speaker 4: then then what's the why is this camp torn up?
Speaker 4: And we started getting into like the big Foot behavior?
Speaker 4: Why would something want to tear up a camp that's
Speaker 4: typically not what they do? Was it maybe more of
Speaker 4: a drug related, you know, destroyed camp and something happened,
Speaker 4: and you know that's why the FBI was there, or
Speaker 4: was the FBI there because now there was an actual
Speaker 4: big Foot related I mean, this again kind of gets
Speaker 4: in more of those kind of conspiracy theory side of stories.
Speaker 4: But it was an interesting side story to the fact
Speaker 4: that the only thing that happened on that trip was
Speaker 4: this more oval elongated reddish light.
Speaker 5: So you've seen another light, so you had you you've
Speaker 5: had that experience twice. Then pretty neat, pretty I believe so.
Speaker 4: And this is actually where multiple people saw it again,
Speaker 4: even even the one of the Bigfoot leaders there b
Speaker 4: fro leaders. But that we everyone just kind of shrugs
Speaker 4: and it's like, well, yep, that's awkward, that's not why
Speaker 4: quite what we're looking for.
Speaker 5: But like let's get pinpoint what it is where I
Speaker 5: come from, what's involved with But there's people that will
Speaker 5: be firm and say, no, that's big Poot related. I mean,
Speaker 5: that's you don't know that. I mean as far as that,
Speaker 5: you know, you got to stand back, rationalize. You can't
Speaker 5: explain what you're seeing. You just try to find answers,
Speaker 5: answers as to what is it, why did you see it?
Speaker 5: And if you can make any kind of discoveries along
Speaker 5: the way, just you know, continue researching about you know,
Speaker 5: what's happening out there. I mean I find it fascinating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, there's always that possibility there there could be
Speaker 1: a connection. But you know that's why, you know, there's
Speaker 1: always apsibility.
Speaker 5: All we could just tell people what we see and
Speaker 5: what we experience. They can make their own conclusions if
Speaker 5: they if they don't believe us, they don't believe us,
Speaker 5: they can say what they want. I ain't got no
Speaker 5: feelings to hurt, you know, I got nowhere you go
Speaker 5: to bruise. I mean, we we all experience, but we
Speaker 5: just don't have any answers as to what we experience.
Speaker 4: And to that point, David, I think the experiential side
Speaker 4: of life is going to be more important as AI
Speaker 4: gets more and more robust. You know, I saw something
Speaker 4: the other day that was saying that you know pretty
Speaker 4: soon and if not now, we can't believe our eyes
Speaker 4: and right exactly. So what I would say there is like,
Speaker 4: at least in the real world you can go out
Speaker 4: and potentially have these experiences and not say it's AI.
Speaker 4: You You can't trust your phone anymore on your media
Speaker 4: world to say, oh yeah, this is definitive proof, like
Speaker 4: I think in one in some ways it's kind of
Speaker 4: hurting the ability to capture anything on video anymore because
Speaker 4: everyone's just going to think it's AI.
Speaker 6: Exactly.
Speaker 4: But at the same time it's actually also forcing people,
Speaker 4: I think, to get out there in nature, to get
Speaker 4: out go camping, talk to people who have had experiences,
Speaker 4: if you're interested in experiencing something like that as yourself.
Speaker 4: But it's a big kind of if you're an a sayer,
Speaker 4: and if you say this is a bogus topic, it's like, well,
Speaker 4: and either you just don't want to believe or you're
Speaker 4: not interested in it, which is totally fine. But if
Speaker 4: you are, you got to get out there. You gotta,
Speaker 4: you know, there's you can be that kind of armchair
Speaker 4: you know, experts or armchair explorer if you will, And like,
Speaker 4: that's totally fine. I do it myself now with a
Speaker 4: growing family and things like that. You know, you read
Speaker 4: books or whatever. But getting out there is, I think,
Speaker 4: is where it's going to push people to have their
Speaker 4: own thoughts and experiences. And I think we're regardless of
Speaker 4: audio footage unless you just are simply trying to do
Speaker 4: it for yourself and never let go of that growl
Speaker 4: that you might be able to catch.
Speaker 5: People don't get out of the backyard.
Speaker 4: Yeah, however, is a good there is a good opportunity
Speaker 4: depending upon where you live. If you look at your backyard,
Speaker 4: you could see one diving in, you know, dumpster diving
Speaker 4: for food.
Speaker 5: That is true. Most people here, you're gonna have your
Speaker 5: name stairs, and it's to say, the vast majority of
Speaker 5: your they don't whether it's Bigfoot, any kind of crypt
Speaker 5: or even just parent normal in general. They don't want
Speaker 5: to be taken that. They don't want to be taken
Speaker 5: out out of their normal right then what their lives
Speaker 5: the way it is. They don't want to have to
Speaker 5: think about something else that's going to be.
Speaker 4: And that's you know, I have to say that. You know,
Speaker 4: there's there are times and I'll get to another story
Speaker 4: later on, but of a baby that I have on
Speaker 4: audio recording, which I believe is a baby Bigfoot in
Speaker 4: a tree blowing raspberries or bubbles. But as far as
Speaker 4: like the the psyche and things like that and the experience,
Speaker 4: it's like they're there are times where I do question myself,
Speaker 4: you know, if you do capture something or see something,
Speaker 4: how is that going to mess with you long term?
Speaker 4: Because you know you definitely there are definitely those stories
Speaker 4: and experiences that people have had very very very very
Speaker 4: very close encounters with these creatures and it messes them
Speaker 4: up and to the point where like some of them
Speaker 4: need therapy never they don't ever want to go in
Speaker 4: the woods again. You know, I hope that that's if
Speaker 4: I do ever get to see one, I hope that
Speaker 4: that's not the reaction that I have. But then again,
Speaker 4: it's just knowing that they're there. And if as long
Speaker 4: as you kind of know that they're there and that
Speaker 4: it might happen, I think perhaps that could help you.
Speaker 5: I think from me personally, I've seen stories of people
Speaker 5: tell the stories where they get PSD and stuff from it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, my train of thought is.
Speaker 5: I think a lot of them it was early on
Speaker 5: in what they were doing at the beginning, and it
Speaker 5: happened so quickly, or they was called off guard, not
Speaker 5: expecting to even come across that, not even researching it,
Speaker 5: and said it in that PSD like hundreds of you know,
Speaker 5: they never thought about it all their life, and one
Speaker 5: day they see it, they don't go back in the
Speaker 5: woods hunting again. But I think the more time you
Speaker 5: spending the woods and doing your research psychologically, you're going
Speaker 5: to be more.
Speaker 6: Prepared for that.
Speaker 5: So differently and her being in the military, you trained
Speaker 5: for that it's like training and then when you encounter
Speaker 5: something that's could be deadly dangerous or whatever the case
Speaker 5: may be, you're psychologically prepared for that to accept it
Speaker 5: and rationalize you know what you're going to be doing.
Speaker 5: That's my viewpoint.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, in all the points when we were novice
Speaker 4: going out there in our first expedition, and you know
Speaker 4: that we were not prepared mentally because we didn't know
Speaker 4: what this really was. We didn't think anything of I
Speaker 4: would have bet money on the fact that I would
Speaker 4: have not had an experience. Right here we are getting
Speaker 4: a treat push down. The other one out in Mount Hood, Oregon,
Speaker 4: where we were out with another different investigating group. I
Speaker 4: was actually with Cliff Barrickman at that time and he
Speaker 4: was kind of doing some expeditions there and so got
Speaker 4: to work with him a bit as well and got
Speaker 4: pretty close. But there was there was a I want
Speaker 4: to say that was the time where we were also
Speaker 4: with Tom Powell. I think he was with us. And
Speaker 4: for those who don't know, Tom Powell a great, great
Speaker 4: bigfoot researcher. He has a few books out there.
Speaker 1: Friend, yeah, my friend Nikki Cologne from Texas. Actually, if
Speaker 1: I'm not misaken. I think he was part of her
Speaker 1: group that met up out there in Oregon and Washington.
Speaker 1: They did uh oh wa Washington. Uh they did an
Speaker 1: exhibition camp out up there.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, he's out that way, you know.
Speaker 5: And it was.
Speaker 4: That That first night was also interesting because this is
Speaker 4: where we were again maybe fifteen twenty people. We saw
Speaker 4: this ball in the sky making its rounds, I mean,
Speaker 4: and it was it was low, it wasn't a satellite.
Speaker 4: It was too high to be a plane, too low
Speaker 4: to be a satellite, just kind of making its rounds,
Speaker 4: and like we're all just kind of admiring it and
Speaker 4: looking at it. There's you know, we had a whitish
Speaker 4: color to it, but we again, not what we were
Speaker 4: looking for. But that was the first night. But then
Speaker 4: the second night we actually went down this path and
Speaker 4: this was when we were we were ready, at least
Speaker 4: I was ready as far as audio night vision. And
Speaker 4: so what they don't tell you about the downfalls of
Speaker 4: night vision is that it's all good and it's all
Speaker 4: great when you can see through it. As soon as
Speaker 4: you take that down from your eye, you are blind.
Speaker 4: You could have that on the lowest setting, on the
Speaker 4: lowest brightness and you take that down from your eye,
Speaker 4: you are done. So yeah, it takes a couple of minutes.
Speaker 4: It's kind of a double edged sword there. So I
Speaker 4: was holding on again. Brought a family member and you know,
Speaker 4: I literally was holding onto them to like guide me
Speaker 4: down this path because I was just hell bent on
Speaker 4: keeping this up on my eye. I didn't want to
Speaker 4: miss a thing. We go all the way down and
Speaker 4: kind of once we circled back and said, okay, you
Speaker 4: know this is we've been walking for about an hour
Speaker 4: and a half. Now we're gonna go back this way.
Speaker 4: What was again very interesting is there was very little
Speaker 4: wind to no wind, but there was a bit of
Speaker 4: moon right, and I felt lucky. And as we're kind
Speaker 4: of walking back to meet up with a larger group
Speaker 4: and at this point it was just myself, Cliff, family member,
Speaker 4: a woman her name, her name is Barbara, and another
Speaker 4: fella one of my friends I think, and so we
Speaker 4: were all together and noticed the similarities though we were
Speaker 4: five group in New Mexico split off three and two
Speaker 4: and then this group again we're a five. And so
Speaker 4: once we kind of walked back, we hear this one, uh, well,
Speaker 4: one of my buddy. He actually did a tree knock,
Speaker 4: just like Bill did a wood knock and nothing happened. Well,
Speaker 4: he did a tree knock and nothing happened, and then
Speaker 4: we might have walked another twenty and then you hear
Speaker 4: this tree ay ey, and it just kind of starts swaying,
Speaker 4: and we all looked up and we kind of backed up,
Speaker 4: and family members trying to kind of look up there
Speaker 4: and see if he could get a see heat signature,
Speaker 4: of which he kind of did. But for those who
Speaker 4: might not know, trees carry heat, so it's all kind
Speaker 4: of blobby, but yet something is standing out more than
Speaker 4: the blobbiness. And of course I've got my recording going
Speaker 4: and sure enough, and I actually if you go to
Speaker 4: my Instagram Pine Shadow Design, you can kind of flip
Speaker 4: through some of my posts and I actually have it
Speaker 4: on there, and you hear this very kind of this
Speaker 4: what I would consider and what I'm calling this baby
Speaker 4: stand squatch blowing raspberries or bubbles up in this tree.
Speaker 4: And I even said, do you hear that? And I
Speaker 4: think you might even hear a cliff on recording and go,
Speaker 4: you know, what is it? I was like, it's blowing
Speaker 4: bubbles and it does it again, and it did this twice,
Speaker 4: so it wasn't a whole lot, and you really have
Speaker 4: to listen to kind of hear it, and of course
Speaker 4: I didn't. I don't have all the high end audio
Speaker 4: cleaning equipment, so you really got to listen. But it's there.
Speaker 4: I think it's there, and actually showing a diagram how
Speaker 4: it was there, and so you kind of hear initially
Speaker 4: the wave form, if you will. So that was kind
Speaker 4: of an up and down and then a down. And
Speaker 4: so this to me, we all kind of huddled somewhat
Speaker 4: around this tree. But one part of the story that
Speaker 4: I had forgotten in my apologies, so I'm going to
Speaker 4: take this out of sequence. But as we were walking
Speaker 4: down initial trail, there was this loudest what Cliff was
Speaker 4: saying was a bard owl and he knows more than
Speaker 4: I in the forest, but this was the loudest R
Speaker 4: two D two whistley sounding alarm missile type of thing happening,
Speaker 4: like just this weird thing, and I was like, and
Speaker 4: it was also like a hoot. I can't do it
Speaker 4: because I'm not whatever this thing was. But I almost
Speaker 4: sent me David to kind of your point on like
Speaker 4: PTSD It almost sent me like a shock and like
Speaker 4: a bit of like a anxiety attack, because I was like,
Speaker 4: oh my gosh. And the initial feeling that I got
Speaker 4: was we're in the baby's den, like we are, we are,
Speaker 4: that's the alarm to like mom and dad come back
Speaker 4: or baby run up the tree, like, but we we've
Speaker 4: hit this alarm. So I forgot to say that. And
Speaker 4: so as we were coming back and then to have
Speaker 4: this kind of baby thing happening, I was like, Oh,
Speaker 4: this is all making sense, you know, like this this
Speaker 4: was the nursery, is what I was also calling it,
Speaker 4: like that's the nursery, like we're in it. And so
Speaker 4: as everyone else is kind of looking up the tree,
Speaker 4: I'm trying to scope around to make sure that we're
Speaker 4: not about we're not about to get clobbered by mom
Speaker 4: or dad or big brother or sister or something. And
Speaker 4: we kind of walked away. We left Barbara sitting with
Speaker 4: the tree, this infant as what I'll call it. You know,
Speaker 4: she sure enough she had like baby toys with her,
Speaker 4: So that just was so serendipitous that she actually had
Speaker 4: like a little rattle, like little jingly things and she
Speaker 4: was saying things very sweetly in a very like motherly
Speaker 4: loving tone. Are you okay? How are you? What's your name?
Speaker 9: Like?
Speaker 4: Are you there? Do you want to say hi? And
Speaker 4: I was just kind of I won't bury the lead here.
Speaker 4: Nothing really happened after that, but it was one of
Speaker 4: those things where there was definitely something in a tree
Speaker 4: making it sway there was no wind, and I even
Speaker 4: had to go back and see, like what are things
Speaker 4: that could make a bubble blowing sound? It's really only primates,
Speaker 4: my chimps, humans or maybe a horse, and like, it
Speaker 4: ain't a horse up in the tree, so unless it's
Speaker 4: a primate or it's a big foot. So that's kind
Speaker 4: of where I feel as if I've got that recording
Speaker 4: of that big baby big foot blowing bubbles in the tree.
Speaker 5: Okay, it's just for clarification for those watching. And what
Speaker 5: you say sounds like it's blowing bubbles. You said like
Speaker 5: it was like.
Speaker 1: A language like babies kind of make their blow raspberries,
Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, because some people visualized blowing bubbles, you know.
Speaker 5: That's why I just want.
Speaker 4: To clear and that's and that's what I like blowing
Speaker 4: sugar lips, yea, the.
Speaker 5: Way it could be like a language too, I guess.
Speaker 5: I mean, you never know, communic a parent maybe somewhere nearby.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know, but that those are the
Speaker 4: after that, I did some expeditions in in Iowa in
Speaker 4: Wisconsin with Doug Hijack, and it's just nothing ever really
Speaker 4: amounted to those two experiences. But I've got a long
Speaker 4: big footing life career ahead of me, and so but
Speaker 4: other and then from that, this is where I got
Speaker 4: really into, you know, the book side of things. I
Speaker 4: wrote a children's book, started doing more book collecting because
Speaker 4: that's at this point again trying to raise a family.
Speaker 4: It's that's about all I got time for is reading
Speaker 4: a book at night. Oh yeah, thank you, sir. So
Speaker 4: this is Billy Finds Bigfoot. This is really an homage
Speaker 4: and a very if I can dive into this, if
Speaker 4: you don't mind, I know, but yeah, absolutely, this all
Speaker 4: again kind of started with Harry and the Henderson So
Speaker 4: you're gonna have that heartfelt kind of it's a romance,
Speaker 4: if you will, with a Bigfoot story in the sense
Speaker 4: that there's this boy, Billy, he he loves nature and
Speaker 4: there's a lot of life lessons that I try to
Speaker 4: share here. And some of which are even perhaps a
Speaker 4: little bit challenging for even adults to learn, like never,
Speaker 4: you know, as an example, taking taking for granted what
Speaker 4: you have in front of you, you know, in the
Speaker 4: relationships that adults have. I think that's a very hard
Speaker 4: lesson for us to kind of have. And so I'm
Speaker 4: trying to kind of teach that through here because Billy's
Speaker 4: on a mission to find this white fox until he
Speaker 4: realizes that there's this Bigfoot, and he's trying to tell
Speaker 4: Bigfoot that he's trying to trying to find this white fox.
Speaker 4: And I'm sorry if I'm giving spoiler alerts, you know,
Speaker 4: but ultimately when he comes home, his mom and dad
Speaker 4: talk him into bed and say, well, you know, we
Speaker 4: know that you're trying to find this very rare white fox,
Speaker 4: but in fact, there's this even more rare creature out
Speaker 4: there named Bigfoot. And then Billy realizes that, oh my gosh,
Speaker 4: I just like I didn't know. I didn't know that
Speaker 4: there was this Bigfoot, that I was talking to Bigfoot,
Speaker 4: that it was helping me see all the things in
Speaker 4: the forest, and it's it's a great read. So if
Speaker 4: anyone has little's or children in their life. It's a
Speaker 4: great quick read, great, great for bedtime stories.
Speaker 1: Cool And I'll throw this out there for those who
Speaker 1: will watch it and listening right now right through YouTube
Speaker 1: if you're interested in this book, if you go into
Speaker 1: the description of this live feed or later or anytime
Speaker 1: you're watching this, there's a link to the book in
Speaker 1: the description right now, So check that out. Absolutely absolutely
Speaker 1: so you know later on if you continue on with
Speaker 1: the research and continue going on some of these you know,
Speaker 1: campouts or expeditions, you might have to write a new
Speaker 1: book eventually, where keV.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 5: I do.
Speaker 4: I do have this kind of I am on the
Speaker 4: start of a second book. So if there's any agent
Speaker 4: or publishers out there, that's called is it Real or not?
Speaker 4: About two boys who are in the Pacific Northwest who
Speaker 4: do happen to come across this and they see it there,
Speaker 4: but then they're they're given a figure which like a
Speaker 4: stick figure, which I think is very interesting in the
Speaker 4: big Foot culture. If anyone hears any stories about that
Speaker 4: and the gift giving that also has a bunch of mystery,
Speaker 4: and so if anyone's interested, please reach out. But yeah,
Speaker 4: that's it. Definitely a lot more.
Speaker 1: Now that book there is that the one that's published
Speaker 1: with Hangar Publishing.
Speaker 4: With Publishing, uh so that's my children's book. They are
Speaker 4: moving from what I'm told or is, away from more
Speaker 4: of the fiction side of things, which is great. I
Speaker 4: think we need a lot more non fiction material out
Speaker 4: there and people's experiences and the stories. So that's where
Speaker 4: I was like, well, I still gotta write my fiction.
Speaker 1: SOFS interesting, Okay, yeah, because I I know you've been
Speaker 1: connected and you've been on You've been on Doug Hicheck's
Speaker 1: podcast as well, which is pretty cool. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: never got to speak to him mat. I mean, he
Speaker 1: seems like a pretty pretty cool guy. I mean he
Speaker 1: produces Moths Request, you know, and New Season, so you know,
Speaker 1: he's pretty cool.
Speaker 4: I was able to go out with him in Wisconsin
Speaker 4: here a buddy of my Levi Makovich, which I always
Speaker 4: kind of have to give him a quick plug. So
Speaker 4: he actually has a book called The Sasquatch Paradox, and
Speaker 4: this actually really delves into the complexities surrounding the existence
Speaker 4: of sasquatch, exploring both like the scientific and the philosophical
Speaker 4: implications of the belief in in this creature and it's
Speaker 4: it's written kind of like a college thesis, So he
Speaker 4: really puts it out there that like, it's not a
Speaker 4: suit and here's why, it's got to be a creature,
Speaker 4: and here's why it's got to be his bigfoot and
Speaker 4: here's why. So he's just plugging him. But yeah, met
Speaker 4: Dog did a kind of had you know, a night
Speaker 4: big footing with him in Wisconsin. And you know, Levi
Speaker 4: has stories and I'll just kind of share some of
Speaker 4: his where you know, he would have acorns thrown at
Speaker 4: him here in Wisconsin as far as his big foot
Speaker 4: experiences have kind of gone, and I was hoping to
Speaker 4: have that and this was maybe about two three or
Speaker 4: so years ago, but nothing like that happened to me yet.
Speaker 4: I know that Java Chochin also finding Jay's in this
Speaker 4: kind of our area as well a couple of months back,
Speaker 4: and you know, very interesting stories that he says about
Speaker 4: how you know nature is alive and if you talk
Speaker 4: to us, to talk to nature talk for us, it'll
Speaker 4: kind of open itself up type of sentiment. And it's
Speaker 4: all true. I mean, I kind of get back to
Speaker 4: this getting out in the woods, having your own experiences,
Speaker 4: meeting people like yourselves, you know, go with a group,
Speaker 4: go through your best friend, whomever you feel safe with,
Speaker 4: and you know it's it's it's important to get back
Speaker 4: to roots and get back to nature as much as
Speaker 4: we're on a podcast, but like it's it's also good
Speaker 4: to put the cell phones down and put all the
Speaker 4: social networks away to just to hear what the what
Speaker 4: the forest has to say. I think it's so important
Speaker 4: for us as humans.
Speaker 5: Daytime and nighttime it's two different worlds, and and then
Speaker 5: that transition from day to night and that darkness slowly
Speaker 5: comes over.
Speaker 6: I love it.
Speaker 10: I love it, yeah, because for at a point, you know,
Speaker 10: the forest is alive during the day, but then during
Speaker 10: the transition it gets quiet, and then it gets loud
Speaker 10: again because then the nighttime.
Speaker 4: Animals are coming out. That's right, and it's really neat.
Speaker 5: But for those who do go out there, if think
Speaker 5: you start off like he says, go people that you
Speaker 5: know you're gonna be safe around, but research where you're going,
Speaker 5: be safe, take baby steps. You don't want to get
Speaker 5: out there and get lost, get hurt. And then especially
Speaker 5: if you go in primitive areas where you don't have
Speaker 5: silk service, let people know where you're going when you're
Speaker 5: gonna come back with if you don't show up, they
Speaker 5: know to start come looking.
Speaker 6: As far as I add, we have fun, enjoy it.
Speaker 5: Just think safety about it, because you don't be more
Speaker 5: somebody's missing people. I don't know if you're familiar with
Speaker 5: four one.
Speaker 4: I was going to bring that up, David, Yeah, that's
Speaker 4: I was like, that's exactly.
Speaker 5: Remember one when yeah, you don't want one Netflix scenario.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and they really portray that movie to
Speaker 4: make it seem like something is taking someone, you know,
Speaker 4: and it's kind of alien. It's kind of Bigfoot again.
Speaker 4: I for my peace of mind and for my sanity,
Speaker 4: I suppose I would just hope that bigfoots more of
Speaker 4: that flesh and blood creature, this bipedal you know ape
Speaker 4: if you will, North American bipedal ape. I hope it's
Speaker 4: not this alien shape shifter you know, tunnel or uh
Speaker 4: you never know, the old jumper like it just that's
Speaker 4: it would blow my mind, right, and it's scary. It's
Speaker 4: a scary thought and like it. And this is where
Speaker 4: when you're kind of raising this, you know, raising a
Speaker 4: family like I am, like they rely on me. I
Speaker 4: got to come home. I got to come back hole
Speaker 4: like in mind and in body like all others.
Speaker 5: Right, But again, we don't know what's going on out there.
Speaker 5: I mean people spend their entire lives in the woods
Speaker 5: certain areas hunt to come up with miss you know, or
Speaker 5: they find differently to not find the weapon, the body,
Speaker 5: the clothing are going I mean there.
Speaker 4: We as a we as a society don't know what's
Speaker 4: going on, or individually we might not know what's going on.
Speaker 4: Or would you say that maybe the government or or
Speaker 4: a higher entity of not.
Speaker 5: Honestly based on reports, what you see, what you read,
Speaker 5: what you hear, I don't think society as a whole
Speaker 5: knows what's going on. Uh, it could be maybe the
Speaker 5: government knows more than what they're telling.
Speaker 4: I mean you were both in the military.
Speaker 5: Know we don't know. But it's it happens. People come
Speaker 5: up missing, it's never seen from again, and or they
Speaker 5: come up missing, the show up days or weeks later.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and to them and when I was going to
Speaker 4: ask about that, and to them it's like they wasn't gone. Well. Yes,
Speaker 4: And then there's some cases where like their clothes are
Speaker 4: miles away and then they're found naked, just wandering in
Speaker 4: the woods. I mean, and if.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we don't know how, there could be many different
Speaker 5: avenues that could take I just I don't want to
Speaker 5: be part of it. Let's not stop from going in
Speaker 5: the woods. I mean, if it don't come back, then by.
Speaker 11: Yon, then Melissa, Well, if we're out in the woods
Speaker 11: and I come across David with no clothes on, I'm
Speaker 11: getting on the radio, but let's come dress your husband.
Speaker 6: That would now happen that one.
Speaker 4: Not on purpose?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well there are there are.
Speaker 4: When I was asking about the military background is because
Speaker 4: there are plenty of stories with military personnel having experiences
Speaker 4: and even with the I mean stories with the Mount
Speaker 4: Hood eruption or excuse me, Mount Saint Helen's eruption, and
Speaker 4: you know, military being in there and actually removing big
Speaker 4: foot bodies from that area. From being a military background,
Speaker 4: and this is actually the first time we get to
Speaker 4: ask a military background person like do you do believe
Speaker 4: partake what's your.
Speaker 5: I was a part of that aspect of it. Those
Speaker 5: that are are usually uh, the special ops type, we
Speaker 5: get involved with stuff like that.
Speaker 6: I do know that uh uh, there's been.
Speaker 5: Reports written by certain special ops groups whether it be uh,
Speaker 5: special forces or rangers going down on recons and stuff
Speaker 5: like that, some having their own experiences and some actually
Speaker 5: being sent out to investigate to see when things come across. Now,
Speaker 5: I don't know how comes of those. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 5: if you look, if you look at Roswell with the UFO,
Speaker 5: they come out saying crass the space ship. Next day, No,
Speaker 5: it's a weather balloon. Come on, now, you know the
Speaker 5: military just don't come out and say it's one thing
Speaker 5: and the change the story of the next They got
Speaker 5: caught the pants down that she just says, the weather.
Speaker 6: Balloons begin in the woods.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: Uh, but I.
Speaker 5: Mean, there's just so much going on out there that.
Speaker 5: But then again, look at what they're a congress now
Speaker 5: having people look into the UAP aspect. I don't know
Speaker 5: why they changed the name from UFO to UAP. It's
Speaker 5: one and the same. You're trying to dump it down
Speaker 5: a little bit. They're going to the extent to talk
Speaker 5: to these people that's supposed to be doing the research.
Speaker 5: I'll watched a couple of herrings on TV. You got
Speaker 5: these high officials looking into the UFO stuff and reportings
Speaker 5: and whatnot. And then one of the senators asked, these
Speaker 5: guys research, did you go back and look at the
Speaker 5: Roswell incident and gone back ten fifteen years looking at reports. Well, no,
Speaker 5: we're just looking at present day stuff because it's based
Speaker 5: on what the military has been putting out, you know,
Speaker 5: TV and stuff right now for the last fifteen to
Speaker 5: twenty years. Let's catching their stuff.
Speaker 4: You're gonna have a lot more of those UFO UAP
Speaker 4: I think experiences and things on video because people can
Speaker 4: look the nighttime sky is not secluded to those who are,
Speaker 4: you know, just in the forest, whereas the bigfoot experiences
Speaker 4: you have to go on a forest, correct, you know,
Speaker 4: and to kind of there's this kind of this, you know,
Speaker 4: the theory of bigfoots being able to that they're in
Speaker 4: this you know, they can travel through these portals and
Speaker 4: they kind of come in and out. And one question
Speaker 4: is simply raised that you know, is a very valid
Speaker 4: logical point, is like, well, why do we never seem
Speaker 4: in a city then? And it's like, well, yeah, that's
Speaker 4: a good that's a good question, you know.
Speaker 5: Control if it happens, control.
Speaker 4: Yeah, perhaps, Yeah, that's a great.
Speaker 5: About them or somebody else Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, also to avoid if that entertaining the thought, if
Speaker 1: that is factial information, if that's what they do, then
Speaker 1: it would only make sense that they are trying to
Speaker 1: avoid population.
Speaker 3: Let's stay away from the city.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, and it just kind of goes back to,
Speaker 4: you know, again my thought of never you can't dismiss
Speaker 4: someone's story. You know, there are theres and I was
Speaker 4: kind of sure this one where there's a story where
Speaker 4: someone had said that they saw Bigfoot coming out of
Speaker 4: a UFO that was handcuffed to a briefcase and watered
Speaker 4: off in the woods, And it's like, if that's if
Speaker 4: that's your recollection of what happened, Like I can't dismiss that.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I can partake in it, but
Speaker 4: like I can't dismiss it, And you just kind of
Speaker 4: have to put that over here in the paranormal unexplained
Speaker 4: side of things. But then again, it's like I I
Speaker 4: kind of come back to the fact that I just
Speaker 4: I'm hoping that this is a more flesh and blood
Speaker 4: creature that just happens to have that much more intelligence
Speaker 4: than what we do because we can't observe it, we
Speaker 4: can't study it like a Jane Goodall type of thing.
Speaker 4: That's my hope because anything outside of that, again is
Speaker 4: going to blow my lizard brain.
Speaker 5: So well, we're not jumping off of a cliff, but
Speaker 5: my mind's open to anything. And until you get concrete answers,
Speaker 5: it's get out in research and see what.
Speaker 6: You come up with. Whether they're whether.
Speaker 5: Some people say they're inter dimensional, they're flesh and blood,
Speaker 5: nobody knows. Supposedly nobody knows. Uh, get out research, have fun,
Speaker 5: see what you come up with. Uh, put two and
Speaker 5: two together. You can't discount all the stories over the
Speaker 5: last couple of thousand years from Native America's go back.
Speaker 5: I mean they they have stories encountering beings like.
Speaker 4: Every consonant, every.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't believe that everybody that talks about this
Speaker 5: or lootings. I mean to me, that's it's impractical. Now
Speaker 5: you're gonna have those who's gonna fabricate stories. They want
Speaker 5: that lime white. They're going to embellish on things. That's
Speaker 5: why you got different filing cabinets. You you look, you
Speaker 5: listen to the story. Based on what you perceive they're telling.
Speaker 5: You can put it in this drawer and you can
Speaker 5: put it over.
Speaker 6: Here in that drawer, in that drawer.
Speaker 5: But I'm not gonna really anybody. I'm not gonna I'm
Speaker 5: not gonna put anybody down for the story because we
Speaker 5: don't know, you know.
Speaker 3: Right See, I'm the same way. I agree with David.
Speaker 1: I'm the same way because I've been doing a lot
Speaker 1: of filming, uh, in interviews with people sharing your accounts.
Speaker 3: I'm not I've gotten to the point.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to call them a liar, you know,
Speaker 1: even I mean, most of the eyewitnesses that I have
Speaker 1: been meeting up with, usually I feel like something don't
Speaker 1: make sense, but I haven't been feeling that way with
Speaker 1: these people. I feel like they've really seen a witness something, so.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: And plus, I want people to feel comfortable. I want
Speaker 1: people to come forward with me if they have something legit.
Speaker 1: I mean, I want to hear it, you know. I
Speaker 1: want to put the word out there for them, you know,
Speaker 1: I want to document it, you know, for you know,
Speaker 1: not just to put the word out there. But we
Speaker 1: we gather reports. I'm sure you're the same way. You know,
Speaker 1: you pick up on other people's reports like we do,
Speaker 1: especially here in Virginia, because Virginia is highly underestimated. You know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot that happens. It takes place here in Virginia. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everyone looks at the northwest.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, they're everywhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they are here.
Speaker 1: I can promise you that guarantee you that you've got
Speaker 1: to be willing to put in the time to research
Speaker 1: it and.
Speaker 5: Look for it. You know, But.
Speaker 4: Do you think one will have to be put down
Speaker 4: in order for people? I mean this, I get asked
Speaker 4: this question all the time. Do you think what's gonna
Speaker 4: get put down for people to believe? And even then
Speaker 4: if big brother or you know, some government entity doesn't
Speaker 4: come and take that course, because that means a lot
Speaker 4: to the forests, you know, I think that would happen
Speaker 4: first the lumber side. But yeah, I mean I know.
Speaker 6: The government getting the move that's right.
Speaker 5: Well, Man Daniels had to discussed him before with the group.
Speaker 5: If we would actually have a really outer and if
Speaker 5: we came up with physical evidence one way or the other,
Speaker 5: would we report it?
Speaker 3: I mean I would love to document everything we see, but.
Speaker 5: I don't know if I could report it officially because.
Speaker 3: It wouldn't make no sense to really because you.
Speaker 5: Involved one If the look people you're gonna have your
Speaker 5: lootings out there like mountain monsters. Oh boy, where we
Speaker 5: camp at there was a bunch they actually found one
Speaker 5: of them coming total guns and everything else, running through
Speaker 5: the woods, he han and driving the a TVs.
Speaker 6: They're right.
Speaker 5: I don't want that. I don't want the government areas.
Speaker 5: I don't want governments coming in shutting the areas down
Speaker 5: because of that. I mean, look look what California did
Speaker 5: when they had those fires by not letting water come
Speaker 5: down because a little bitty fish that they were trying
Speaker 5: to preserve. There's no other ways to preserve wildlife, especially
Speaker 5: when you're talking fish. I don't want I think it's
Speaker 5: a Keyies hill if if you come forward. But we're
Speaker 5: saying that now, maybe there's a way to bring it forward,
Speaker 5: to keep eighty percent of it unknown, but bring the
Speaker 5: facts forward and let everything go on as normal. If
Speaker 5: that would be possible, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I think the I think, yeah, the the naturists, and
Speaker 4: I think that the logging company, the logging companies would
Speaker 4: be in trouble to find out that there is a
Speaker 4: bipedal North American humanoid ape species out there. I think
Speaker 4: that's in I think it would almost get political at that.
Speaker 3: Point, economically, it could like it's just.
Speaker 4: It's I think it's such a slippery slope. And you know,
Speaker 4: and even if so, yeah, if you do. And I'm
Speaker 4: not going to say his name, but there is there
Speaker 4: are there is someone out there who is saying that
Speaker 4: they have had a big foot in their freezer for
Speaker 4: you know, years and years, and it's just.
Speaker 5: That I see I've seen that documentary. I think they
Speaker 5: had a documentary on that.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right.
Speaker 3: I got to say the name you're not talking.
Speaker 1: About the the the dog trainer, the veterinarian dark trainer guy.
Speaker 5: I don't remember the name, but I remember the documentary
Speaker 5: I've seen that claimed that two scientists actually came in
Speaker 5: and was drilling into the ice to see if they
Speaker 5: can get any kind of DNA from it and and
Speaker 5: tissue samples and all that other stuff.
Speaker 6: And when they.
Speaker 5: Got the drilling in the eye, so this is according
Speaker 5: to the documentary, air got exposed to it. They can
Speaker 5: smell dead flesh. Then again, that can still be planted
Speaker 5: in there and and I fakes took you know what
Speaker 5: I mean, just by putting beef meat in there. Uh,
Speaker 5: But shortly thereafter and when the scientists done, then the
Speaker 5: thing came up missing again. If it's the same one
Speaker 5: you're talking about, But that's that's a documentary and I
Speaker 5: had they haven't seen him since, so I.
Speaker 1: Mean, well, there's one individual. A lot of people don't
Speaker 1: look to bring up his name because he has been
Speaker 1: well involved with hoaxing for years. But and he supposedly
Speaker 1: put his body is said bigfoot.
Speaker 3: Body on tour, made tons of money on it.
Speaker 1: But I'll throw his name out there because I bet
Speaker 1: he's been on bockhand of the guy Rick Dyer.
Speaker 3: You're not talking about Ricky.
Speaker 4: Let me let me confirm, uh.
Speaker 3: Rick Dyer from he's originally based out of Texas.
Speaker 4: No no, no, no, no, no no, this isn't this isn't him.
Speaker 4: Uh Okay, there's another fella who again I don't want
Speaker 4: to say his name.
Speaker 3: That's okay, that's okay, it's you know.
Speaker 4: It's it's dangerous. I think if you you if there's
Speaker 4: not a scientific backing to this, and this is where
Speaker 4: I have gone on a few expeditions with the late
Speaker 4: doctor Jeffrey Meldrum and he was it's I think that's
Speaker 4: going to set back the big footing community a couple
Speaker 4: of years, if not decades, just because of the amount
Speaker 4: of research and the scientific community ear that he did have,
Speaker 4: you know, and for those hopefully everyone on you know
Speaker 4: with us as it knows who doctor Jeffrey Meldrim is.
Speaker 4: I mean, he's been on every bigfoot documentary since the
Speaker 4: early nineties.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's bad.
Speaker 1: And I got to meet him a few times a
Speaker 1: couple of local events not far from here out in
Speaker 1: West Virginia.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and David, I almost had another orb story for you.
Speaker 4: But again, my family member, myself and Jeffrey were sitting
Speaker 4: on a law and we were just watching this red
Speaker 4: light go back and forth and didn't know what the
Speaker 4: hell was going on, and it was so bizarre and weird,
Speaker 4: and Jeffrey starts laughing. He's like, what in the heck
Speaker 4: is this? But it turns out it was the next
Speaker 4: group ahead of us, passing their red headlamp back and forth.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 4: And so it's just like we were just seeing this
Speaker 4: red dot bounce back and forth and we couldn't explain.
Speaker 5: It to do it on purpose. So they were just
Speaker 5: passing the back and passing.
Speaker 4: Back and forth for whatever reason. So we had to
Speaker 4: chime in and asked, is anybody red light? And oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's us. We're looking for something.
Speaker 5: I'm like, oh my god, it happened was a Hubert too,
Speaker 5: because the last camp out I was stalking my own
Speaker 5: trill camp I had set out. I had no gold
Speaker 5: set out and have one head or red light that
Speaker 5: would sit up at camp. And it was when they
Speaker 5: were out hiking that evening and Mary looked over seeing
Speaker 5: the red glow come on, yeah, and I you, that
Speaker 5: was a red eye shine way over in the field
Speaker 5: away from us. And I didn't looked over. I didn't
Speaker 5: see nothing. I forgot I have a trail cam on
Speaker 5: this tree up there where where my tent was, Yeah,
Speaker 5: right next to you. I set back down. When I
Speaker 5: was sitting there, she says, there it is. Again. I
Speaker 5: looked over. I didn't see nothing, and then I said,
Speaker 5: well the heck for this? So I stood up, and
Speaker 5: I stood up. Then it came on. What I found
Speaker 5: weird about it is it had about sixty foot range.
Speaker 5: I had probably about ninety to ninety five feet away
Speaker 5: from where we were at the fire pit with the campfire.
Speaker 5: And I think what happened was when I was getting
Speaker 5: up and down talking to them on the radio. With
Speaker 5: the campfire here. I was sitting here and every time
Speaker 5: I got up, I guess the light caused it to
Speaker 5: react with my trail camp that I have set up.
Speaker 5: And that's the only thing I can think of it
Speaker 5: to be, because when I stood up again, that looked
Speaker 5: over and I've seen it, and then way what she
Speaker 5: was describing, I was thinking, well, there is something over there.
Speaker 5: Get them on the radio. They're over the other campsite
Speaker 5: where nobody's that where I was getting caught that static stuff,
Speaker 5: and uh, I said, I got hold of Daniel them.
Speaker 5: I says, anybody over there got through bred head lamp
Speaker 5: on because we got some of that would go white
Speaker 5: red stuff. And yeah, hers, so I have Melissa way
Speaker 5: over the way we need There ain't no way we
Speaker 5: was seeing it, but yeah, was over there to see
Speaker 5: if I could see that walking around, but we we
Speaker 5: couldn't do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it didn't make sense to me when you asked
Speaker 3: to do that. There's no way he's seeing it again.
Speaker 5: You got you got to rule things out. And here
Speaker 5: it wasn't hurt. So I started walking towards it. John's
Speaker 5: behind me walking behind me, looking over my shoulder in
Speaker 5: case we run into something. And I get about ten
Speaker 5: fifteen feet toward from my tent, I've seen that red
Speaker 5: light right there on the tree, and I said, Jesus.
Speaker 4: Christ, you yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I did right there a video we're walking
Speaker 5: up through there, except I had to set for like
Speaker 5: one every fifteen seconds. No, it was video every fifteen seconds,
Speaker 5: ten second videos every fifteen seconds. And you can see
Speaker 5: be bopping up and down through there. It's you gotta
Speaker 5: have a sense of huge. I mean, you know you're
Speaker 5: gonna things are going to happen, and you gotta.
Speaker 6: Have fun with it well.
Speaker 4: And they can turn quick. It could be funny in
Speaker 4: one minute and.
Speaker 3: Then all of a sudden exactly exactly.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: Yeah. But if science every would getting stuff like that,
Speaker 5: I mean, I wouldn't know what I mean if they
Speaker 5: just if they knew how to use common sense and logic,
Speaker 5: they wouldn't have to change anything.
Speaker 6: Because in my mind, with it.
Speaker 5: We've been here now going three hundreds of plus years,
Speaker 5: logging and everything else. We've never disrupted them before. If
Speaker 5: they're here, we've never had any problems with them. I mean,
Speaker 5: things that go on as normal as they are now,
Speaker 5: without the government having to get involved, to start shutting
Speaker 5: things down, putting rules and regulations into place, and for
Speaker 5: how long by what means, which we don't know if
Speaker 5: that would come about. It's just huge logic behind stuff
Speaker 5: like this. People can still get out there. They've been
Speaker 5: doing it. I mean, I can't see them getting involved
Speaker 5: if if that discovery was made, all of a suddenly.
Speaker 6: Everybody's fine, And I hate, I hate for that to happen.
Speaker 4: Even if the four one ones are Bigfoot related, Sasquash related,
Speaker 4: they're not doing anything to stop that.
Speaker 5: No, Uh, they don't have any concrete absence what's happening.
Speaker 5: And I think they're just writing office people getting lost.
Speaker 1: Yeah, real quick about the Big four, you know, the
Speaker 1: missing the missing for one one, I mean what little information?
Speaker 1: Uh you know I know about that now, David Variety,
Speaker 1: see you know when he first came about the four
Speaker 1: one one, you know, the program and everything and what
Speaker 1: he's been putting out of his books. And now if
Speaker 1: I'm if I'm understanding correctly, and you know, maybe you
Speaker 1: may know more about this Ken, but you know, correct
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, But back it up, it wasn't
Speaker 1: always about Bigfoot, Big Foot. You know, Bigfoot ended up
Speaker 1: coming coming along later on as a possibility with.
Speaker 4: A ca it was Ah. I think the way it
Speaker 4: was made was to let the viewer believe what they
Speaker 4: want to believe, whether it was alien, whether it was
Speaker 4: you know, Bigfoot, whether it was something else, whether it
Speaker 4: was shape shifters, you know, then the idea of like
Speaker 4: people missing, and then I didn't know that this was
Speaker 4: a thing, but then talking to a really good friend
Speaker 4: out in your mounhood again Washington area, in the Gifford
Speaker 4: Pinchot area in Washington, where it's like there's I want
Speaker 4: to say something like volcano pits or something to that effect,
Speaker 4: where there you know, tens ten tens of feet deep
Speaker 4: and it's like you could just fall in one and
Speaker 4: that's it and you're never going to get out of it.
Speaker 4: And it's like, I mean, if that doesn't terrify you
Speaker 4: enough to never go out in the woods, I don't
Speaker 4: know what does. But it definitely led you to think.
Speaker 4: I mean, and the Bigfoot theme was there, and especially
Speaker 4: one of the one stories where there's a child involved
Speaker 4: and they literally let the child like go play just
Speaker 4: around the camp area and you turn your head for
Speaker 4: a second, and now this child's gone. And like, as
Speaker 4: heartbreaking as it is, especially not having kids, it's like
Speaker 4: you you can't take the forest for granted, and you
Speaker 4: got to know your surroundings, the animals that are there.
Speaker 4: And this is all this kind of goes without saying
Speaker 4: as an adult, right, but it's like the big Foot
Speaker 4: side of things, I don't there's only been really one,
Speaker 4: you know story, maybe maybe a handful of stories like
Speaker 4: Albert Osman being you know, picked up in his sleeping
Speaker 4: bag thrown over the shoulder of a sasquatch and then
Speaker 4: like you know, now, yeah, and it's and this was
Speaker 4: within the last century that this was captured, you know
Speaker 4: that this happened to this person. You know, I don't
Speaker 4: know what to quite make of those types of stories. Again,
Speaker 4: I can't doubt it. I can't nay say it because
Speaker 4: I don't do that to people. But I think what's
Speaker 4: interesting is like the idea of what did they do?
Speaker 4: And to your point, Daniel, you know, when it's the
Speaker 4: it's the it's the facts, or it's the little detailed
Speaker 4: that people might say in their stories that say, oh,
Speaker 4: you know, that's that's actually credible because it's it's been
Speaker 4: proven or it's been said by many different people across
Speaker 4: the country of like yeah, this happens and then that happens,
Speaker 4: or or you know, their their teeth are kind of
Speaker 4: in this type of way, or there this color or
Speaker 4: whatever it might be a skin pattern or skin texture,
Speaker 4: all of those things. It's just it it becomes kind
Speaker 4: of harder and harder to disprove a story. And I
Speaker 4: was at recently a work event and it was you know,
Speaker 4: it was brought over to a table and the someone
Speaker 4: introduced me. It was like, this is cav the bigfoot guy.
Speaker 4: And I almost felt as if I was there to
Speaker 4: kind of like start to do a tap dance form.
Speaker 4: But it was the idea of you know, okay, make
Speaker 4: me a believer type of conversation. And I'm learning that
Speaker 4: you can't make people a believer. You have to allow
Speaker 4: them to ask their questions. And as I kind of
Speaker 4: said to David and Melissa, where it's like you got
Speaker 4: to go out and you've got to tell people to
Speaker 4: have their own experiences. You can't. It's one thing if
Speaker 4: they're kind of already bought in if you will, but
Speaker 4: if they're not, anything that you say about the sixty
Speaker 4: seven Patterson gamelan footage. They're not going to maybe understand
Speaker 4: anything that you say about even Jeffrey Melgrium, they're not
Speaker 4: going to understand or you know, locomotion in a foot
Speaker 4: or the mid torsal break. And then I had an
Speaker 4: individual at the table say, well, what about the third
Speaker 4: and fifth in you know, mid torsal break. I'm like,
Speaker 4: that's not a thing. Why are you trying to throw
Speaker 4: me off my right? Yeah, you know, it's It's one
Speaker 4: of those things where I think, what's so important about
Speaker 4: this topic is that it's still exploring our earth, you know,
Speaker 4: whether you're more into oceanography or the forest. Like the
Speaker 4: ocean terrifies me. I'm not going there. There's deeps and
Speaker 4: depths of stuff. Nope, thinks some good that are bigger
Speaker 4: than Bigfoot, Like I'm good, but like Bigfoot, I can
Speaker 4: handle right. And so this is it's just one of
Speaker 4: those things where it's so important to at least be
Speaker 4: open to what David had said and things like that,
Speaker 4: what is the uh, oh, make sure you didn't miss
Speaker 4: a question beginning beginning into the idea of it's so
Speaker 4: important for this to be a possibility, because I think
Speaker 4: it's going to help us learn about ourselves, and the
Speaker 4: fact that this thing, it has to have such a
Speaker 4: higher intelligence than us because it eludes us. It can
Speaker 4: be right in front of our eyes and yet we
Speaker 4: don't see it. There has to be something going on
Speaker 4: that people are seeing in the forest and these creatures
Speaker 4: of why they perhaps allow us to see them one minute,
Speaker 4: but then they don't allow us to see them the next.
Speaker 4: What's that all about? I mean, there's so many questions.
Speaker 5: Well, I did some research here a couple of weeks back,
Speaker 5: just out of curiosity, of all the forests in the
Speaker 5: US and Alaska, and at any given time, there's only
Speaker 5: about maybe ten percent of the forest that people actually
Speaker 5: spend time in because the majority of us remote yep,
Speaker 5: and people cannot sit back and say that people's out
Speaker 5: there all the time. Well, what do you mean people's
Speaker 5: out there all the time. It's a big area. Yeah, here,
Speaker 5: just here on the east coast alone, the George Warshington
Speaker 5: I haven't notes. There's a lot of numbers here. The
Speaker 5: George Warshington National Forest and the Jefferson National Forest combined
Speaker 5: is one point eight million acres. That's two thousand, just
Speaker 5: over twenty eight hundred square miles. That's these two forests.
Speaker 5: There's one hundred and twenty eight forests in the US,
Speaker 5: significant number located on the East coast. That's not counting
Speaker 5: national parks in which is sixty three national parks. Yeah,
Speaker 5: there's that's a lot of areas that people do not
Speaker 5: get to get into, and that on a regular basis
Speaker 5: to explore so much of us it's really it's it's
Speaker 5: not visited, you know, on the regular base.
Speaker 4: No, you can't rocks and thickets and thorns and the
Speaker 4: wildlife that lives there.
Speaker 5: There's no way in the distance involved.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean in this that's the acres there is
Speaker 4: actually to kind of tie into this person's question about
Speaker 4: skin Skinwalker Ranch, where that's five hundred and twelve acres
Speaker 4: out in Utah. I mean that is a substantial amount
Speaker 4: of land, at least where I'm from, five hundred and
Speaker 4: twelve acres, and the idea of to just kind of
Speaker 4: get into the Skinwalker Ranch side, and I will relate
Speaker 4: this to the different species of perhaps bigfoot that are
Speaker 4: not species, but different kinds of bigfoot that are out there.
Speaker 4: So Skinwalker Ranch is one of those really challenging stories
Speaker 4: and spots for me to get my head wrapped around.
Speaker 4: Because this is a shape shifting type of creature. I mean,
Speaker 4: dare I say it can kind of go more demonic
Speaker 4: to alien side of things like that. What you don't
Speaker 4: get out of that from a bigfoot perspective is everyone
Speaker 4: whoever sees a bigfoot says it's either not a bear
Speaker 4: or it's like it's a bigfoot. It's not this horned
Speaker 4: or antler type figure or skeletal type figure. It's it's
Speaker 4: always going to be. It had shoulders, it had eyes,
Speaker 4: it had a nose ahead of mouth, like, there's more
Speaker 4: human quality to that, right, Yeah, and so, And the
Speaker 4: reason why that's kind of important as a geographical creature
Speaker 4: is because there are different shapes and sizes of this creature.
Speaker 4: There's different colors, there's different weight to this creature. Somewhere
Speaker 4: bigger and look like they could just snap a you know,
Speaker 4: a diameter tree of twenty inches and a half with
Speaker 4: their fingers, versus the ones that are very tall and
Speaker 4: lanky and look like they have mange. I think that
Speaker 4: there's there's always but there's always a there's always that
Speaker 4: standard relatable figure of was like a person versus the
Speaker 4: skin mark branch, which is it's a shape shifter, which
Speaker 4: is a terrifying uh thought to me, I don't want
Speaker 4: to come across that ever in the wood, So I'll
Speaker 4: just say that here. But then even to the demeanor,
Speaker 4: and perhaps you know you all have had your experiences
Speaker 4: with the different demeanors. I think in the South. When
Speaker 4: I did hear about that FBI, you know, investigated report
Speaker 4: where this you know, campsite got destroyed, that to me
Speaker 4: was kind of made sense because I hear these stories
Speaker 4: and have read these stories where in the South they
Speaker 4: are a little bit more aggressive and don't necessarily want
Speaker 4: anyone around, and if they do, they're going to get
Speaker 4: They're gonna get mad, and they might destroy your campsite,
Speaker 4: whereas the Pacific Northwest, I think that they're perhaps a
Speaker 4: little bit more docile. I would love to hear more
Speaker 4: of your Virginia stories of what you think that remainers, Daniel,
Speaker 4: but they're perhaps another they're another way in Virginia.
Speaker 5: Well, before he gets into that part, ma'am, Melissa, we
Speaker 5: have not really had, for say, anything related to bigfoots
Speaker 5: happened yet other than strange sounds maybe her getting hit
Speaker 5: with uh infra sound at one time. But aside from that,
Speaker 5: I count the paranormal side strange things. As far as
Speaker 5: the big foot side, we're still I have not had
Speaker 5: our experience and say, yeah, we've had that yet a
Speaker 5: couple of possibilities, but not like what Daniels had, which
Speaker 5: he could tell you. But well, I'm gonna get a
Speaker 5: couple of call fro while he gets his insight on
Speaker 5: that good question though. I mean, yeah, I think there's
Speaker 5: different types throughout, just like the different types of people
Speaker 5: throughout Skunk Skunk Skunk ape from Florida, smaller than the
Speaker 5: one on the West coast. Daniel knows more about that tonight.
Speaker 1: I mean I personally based off you know, not just
Speaker 1: my encounter. My encounter, you know, would five others shared
Speaker 1: it with me? Uh, just to brigally run you through
Speaker 1: that there, that situation without getting into too many details.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, we believe we encountered a possible family,
Speaker 1: you know, we're free different sizes, of course, the largest.
Speaker 3: One being pretty broad you know, around YouTube tall. And
Speaker 3: then jumping ahead as far as comparing.
Speaker 1: Them to other eyewitness accounts, I mean here in Virginia, based.
Speaker 3: Off of what I've just you know, learned.
Speaker 1: And heard and gathered from other eyewitnesses. I mean they
Speaker 1: range anywhere from you know, you know, seven to eight
Speaker 1: feet on average here. You know, most of the stories
Speaker 1: I hear from others, Yeah, they're around seven feet, you know,
Speaker 1: seven to eight feet, but I believe seven feet is
Speaker 1: a good safety number to go by.
Speaker 3: I mean they all vary inside of this.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, just like you're talking about, you know,
Speaker 1: based off regions. I mean, what Dave was saying for
Speaker 1: the goofer was you know you mentioned with Florida skuncake.
Speaker 1: You know, it's just like you know, people are all
Speaker 1: across the world or you know, you got Asians, you know, Russian,
Speaker 1: you know, whatever you may have it. You know, we're
Speaker 1: all different shapes and sizes. We have different orientations.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: Uh, it's it's hard to get When you were saying
Speaker 4: the sizes, It's like, yeah, but what's really hard for
Speaker 4: me to chew are the ones where they're twelve feet plus. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you're talking about you're almost talking about like a baby
Speaker 4: giraffe size, like Mighty Joe Young type of baby King Kong,
Speaker 4: like hopping through the forest.
Speaker 11: It's like, I I agree with you yes, and dismissed.
Speaker 4: It, but like, how how would that even be the
Speaker 4: amount of food? But then just recently there was a
Speaker 4: fellow that I became pretty interested in, Kevin Laying. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he shared his story where he was able to he
Speaker 4: was out hunting and he actually, you know, there was
Speaker 4: this baby bigfoot. But yet the story I was driving
Speaker 4: and what it sounded like was that this baby bigfoot,
Speaker 4: because it was kind of whimpering for food, was like
Speaker 4: twelve feet tall, eight feet tall, but like it was
Speaker 4: kind of a baby. It didn't quite track, but it
Speaker 4: was the idea that like, if you're hugging something twelve
Speaker 4: feet tall, you got you're hugging like it's thigh if
Speaker 4: that like right. But it's a very interesting story in
Speaker 4: the way in which he actually be friends and feeds
Speaker 4: this bigfoot and brings him in closer to share this
Speaker 4: deer that he you know, shot and cooked. And so
Speaker 4: for all those who are Kevin Laying is it's a
Speaker 4: very interesting story. I'm not gonna, you know, spoil it
Speaker 4: for anyone, but like it's it's just a very interesting story.
Speaker 4: And there's the connection there, and I think that that's
Speaker 4: it could be possible, and we talk about kind of
Speaker 4: like the gift giving that's happened. You know, when I
Speaker 4: went on an expedition in Colorado with Dennis full he
Speaker 4: kind of shared his experiences with the gift giving in
Speaker 4: the BFROO and kind of the the the experiment of
Speaker 4: like trying to get this Bigfoot family closer by serving
Speaker 4: them pancakes, and it actually brought them into the camp.
Speaker 4: And there's perhaps some footage that they captured, but it's
Speaker 4: I think it's still one of those things where eight
Speaker 4: eight max and demeanor and how how it relates to
Speaker 4: you and and I don't know if it's it's like
Speaker 4: habititizing is a possible thing. There's those out there who
Speaker 4: say it's possible by kind of gift giving or feeding,
Speaker 4: you know, putting an apple on the same location, you know,
Speaker 4: on a Wednesday. Every Wednesday, put an apple on a
Speaker 4: rock and it'll stay in the middle of the forest.
Speaker 4: And if it goes away and you put it again
Speaker 4: there on a Wednesday and it goes away, chances are
Speaker 4: that that could be a big Foot that you're starting
Speaker 4: to habititize into thinking that there's always gonna be this
Speaker 4: apple on this rock on a Wednesday.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well you can alway an animal to do that too. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's that the death alds under principles of conditions.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it totally does. It's it's different perhaps if if
Speaker 4: it's if it's consistent, that's where I would start to say, well,
Speaker 4: then what's going on? And then there are there are
Speaker 4: stories to David where there's there's gift giving, but then
Speaker 4: there's gift giving back in stick figures or you know,
Speaker 4: any type of rock even just a rock like that's
Speaker 4: where then it's then it's that Shi Yeah, yeah, right
Speaker 4: right right.
Speaker 5: One of one of our group members, but the Corn
Speaker 5: Lake a few years back had something like that to happen.
Speaker 5: If Dani will tell him about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're referring to Dale, right, Yeah, you had one
Speaker 1: particular spot we camped that and the other research area
Speaker 1: is you know, we used to experiment and play around
Speaker 1: with things.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: We decided like we had some rock stacks up behind
Speaker 1: the creek bed that was partially dried out in areas
Speaker 1: behind us. Well Dale one of our guys that camp
Speaker 1: with us, which I believe he believes he plans on
Speaker 1: coming back with us in May. Well he was he
Speaker 1: went he came back into the area isn't a location.
Speaker 1: And he walked behind the camp and found something behind
Speaker 1: where we had left one of the rock stacks.
Speaker 3: Now keep on.
Speaker 1: There was a couple of down trees that was going
Speaker 1: over the creek bed and again, uh, that part of
Speaker 1: the creek bed on the most part was dry. But
Speaker 1: he came across and he showed his pictures of it
Speaker 1: or did he actually show us?
Speaker 3: Was it just I remember? Was it just a picture
Speaker 3: or did he actually I think he only had pictures
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he did not keep it.
Speaker 12: He regrets that he didn't keep it, but no, he
Speaker 12: did was photograph it, and then he kind of put
Speaker 12: it right back in the same spot.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 9: It was in the area where the where we had
Speaker 9: stacked all those.
Speaker 1: Rocks, right, Yeah, because what was interest about that? Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, let me say what he found, Uh,
Speaker 1: was it looked like a woven grief, like a reef.
Speaker 3: That was like handmaid.
Speaker 5: That was good. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now it's funny that he.
Speaker 1: Saw that because I came across something just like that
Speaker 1: maybe you know a few years or so, or maybe
Speaker 1: longer in another area way out of this area down
Speaker 1: like Melissa David, if you're familiar with the wind Hurst area,
Speaker 1: going down.
Speaker 3: Where the forest connects to cars of the Blue Ridge
Speaker 3: Mountains there.
Speaker 1: Well, anyway, I was in an area where I found
Speaker 1: a couple of interest and structures and formations. But I
Speaker 1: just so happened to be walking in the woods and
Speaker 1: looked down and here's our what we were described as
Speaker 1: what looked like a reef. It was looked like it
Speaker 1: was made from like vine type material that was woven
Speaker 1: together in a complete.
Speaker 3: Cir laying there on the middle of the ground.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: I but what he saw that, that's what it reminded
Speaker 1: me of. It was like, wow, Okay, he's like, I mean.
Speaker 3: Is somebody doing that? I mean, that's the possibility.
Speaker 1: We can't we can't say that it's not somebody doing.
Speaker 4: In Sam Houston and Sam Houston, Dana, we had another
Speaker 4: interesting moment was that we actually it had come across
Speaker 4: like a nest, almost like a tree structure, and we
Speaker 4: called it a cathedral because there was one arch built
Speaker 4: on top of another arch, and it just was woven
Speaker 4: in such a way where it's it just kind of
Speaker 4: made it seem impossible for humans to do. But yet
Speaker 4: we're there. Who knows. I'll never forget this though, and
Speaker 4: I will say that this goes back to the respect
Speaker 4: of nature and these creatures. There was a member there
Speaker 4: who then decided to relieve themselves on this cathedral structure
Speaker 4: and just to kind of make this bigfoot mad or whatever,
Speaker 4: if that's what that was going to do, Like have
Speaker 4: just respect what you find in the woods for those
Speaker 4: who are listening, and like, so when you didn't take it, Daniel,
Speaker 4: was that because of I was that out of respect
Speaker 4: or was that more so of like, Oh that's weird,
Speaker 4: I'm going to leave it there, take a picture of it,
Speaker 4: document it.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 1: I mean I I just didn't know what to think
Speaker 1: of it. I just thought it was something that somebody
Speaker 1: made and they either dropped it or left there. I
Speaker 1: mean the one I found, not the other gentleman who
Speaker 1: found from our campsite.
Speaker 3: But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just I don't know. I like whatever, I'm just
Speaker 1: going to leave there. I just didn't say much of it.
Speaker 5: Really.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So could you tell if there was any I mean,
Speaker 4: was it shiny to where it could be like did
Speaker 4: it look like it had glue on it? That there
Speaker 4: was there any?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 3: No, this was definitely what was hard.
Speaker 1: I found you know, well some of the national binds
Speaker 1: in the area where the one I found, Like I said,
Speaker 1: I recognized the material where it came from. It was
Speaker 1: from the woods. I mean, uh, it was definitely something
Speaker 1: that somebody took the time. Somebody or something had taken
Speaker 1: the time to woven and you know, branch together this round,
Speaker 1: complete circle of vinewood, you know I called vinewood. And
Speaker 1: it was some vine wood. It gets up to an
Speaker 1: inch or two thicks.
Speaker 3: This was not even probably.
Speaker 1: A quarter inch thick to a half inch thick, you know,
Speaker 1: as far as the vine that was made from. But
Speaker 1: so yeah, I was just I don't know, I mean,
Speaker 1: thinking back on it, I don't recall me thinking I
Speaker 1: actually got a picture of it.
Speaker 3: I mean I did take a picture of it, and
Speaker 3: I thought it was interestingly.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, Daniel, I just sent you through messenger.
Speaker 9: I just sent you the two pictures that Dale had taken,
Speaker 9: one dog and the other one of.
Speaker 3: The reaf part the braided.
Speaker 10: So I don't know if you will be able to
Speaker 10: open them or not, but I just sent them to
Speaker 10: you a messenger.
Speaker 1: Okay, give me a seventeen twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3: That's when they want to yeah, all right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when I click on the picture, I mean I
Speaker 1: see him, but when I go to click on them, they.
Speaker 3: They're not appearing. Okay, yeah, I mean I'm looking at
Speaker 3: him right now, I'm messenger.
Speaker 1: But like I said, if I click on him and
Speaker 1: try to stand and save him, they won't show up.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 1: Based off the picture of the round reef that Dale found,
Speaker 1: it looks like it's the same material. It's almost looks
Speaker 1: like identical to the same material to the one I found.
Speaker 3: Of course, the one I found.
Speaker 1: Was probably a little thicker and you know, using the
Speaker 1: same type of material. This vine, yeah, the one he is,
Speaker 1: the one that's found here, was definitely used with somebody vine.
Speaker 4: That was in an area too, Like, that's the same
Speaker 4: vine found in that area.
Speaker 1: Well, the one found that the one found by Dale,
Speaker 1: this is many miles away. This is an our main
Speaker 1: research area. But what I found probably about over twenty
Speaker 1: something miles away. Just see the twenty miles away.
Speaker 5: So uh.
Speaker 3: And also again it's.
Speaker 5: Not the.
Speaker 1: One I found was in the National Force. The one
Speaker 1: that I found was part of the Bluish Parkway Blue
Speaker 1: the Blueish Mountains on the pace of the mountain. So yeah,
Speaker 1: uh yeah, like I said, be a good twenty miles
Speaker 1: away easily a whole different time period too.
Speaker 3: But the one I was trying to po the one
Speaker 3: that Melissa.
Speaker 1: Sent me, is the one that Dale found. It was
Speaker 1: a lot thinner. It was pretty thin. See and when
Speaker 1: I click on it, you show them to see it.
Speaker 9: I'm trying to show.
Speaker 6: It, you see.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it comes up super white.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I'd saved him on my computer and my laptop
Speaker 12: and the screen.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if I knew we were going to
Speaker 1: be talking about that, I can say that it up
Speaker 1: on the screen like I did his books. You never know, Yeah, okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's interesting that you come across out there though, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, if are you talking about structures and everything?
Speaker 1: You know, I have come across a lot of interesting structures,
Speaker 1: you know, and again we you know, we a lot
Speaker 1: of people want to contribute it to big Foot. I
Speaker 1: want to do it too, but I can't because I
Speaker 1: feel my conscience.
Speaker 3: Because I didn't want this bitfoot doing it.
Speaker 1: You know, that kind of goes along with everybody else
Speaker 1: that said, oh that's a big pot structure. You don't
Speaker 1: know that you didn't with this pick Foot Bills net
Speaker 1: because if you did, you'd be shipping your.
Speaker 6: Pants, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's just me, but I mean we want to contribute
Speaker 1: what we find the big quot but because I mean
Speaker 1: the structures that fascinate me are like two F structures
Speaker 1: and anything that looks woven together way off the deep path,
Speaker 1: which I've come across a lot of that, and I
Speaker 1: find it that weather can't do that.
Speaker 5: Weather can't do naturally. You have to have the fun
Speaker 5: to be able to put things together.
Speaker 1: Because I have come across woven things that were twisted
Speaker 1: and combined. You know, I got pictures of stuff like that,
Speaker 1: and it makes you really wonder what the heck.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the one you know, and the one that
Speaker 4: we came across the cathedral again that we're calling it
Speaker 4: in Texas, then that was I mean, it had a
Speaker 4: door opening, you can walk in it, you can kind
Speaker 4: of almost stand up in it. And I'm six to one.
Speaker 4: So it's like it just was enough of a structure
Speaker 4: to say that one of those things where it well
Speaker 4: it was either bigfoot or it was a human. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's just airb like you can't you can't chalk it
Speaker 4: up to anything else besides that. I mean that, I
Speaker 4: don't know what else it folds twigs like that, unless
Speaker 4: there's like a giant beaver cryptid that we've yet to discover,
Speaker 4: but that would be about it.
Speaker 5: Now you mentioned, I'm I had never heard of that
Speaker 5: one before, but that's right now. You mentioned it's gonna
Speaker 5: be popping up now, probably be perencrypted, but again you
Speaker 5: never know it could be. But until you can nail
Speaker 5: it down, you can't say yay or nay to what's
Speaker 5: going on. That's why we like getting on the beaten path,
Speaker 5: you know, where people normally don't go. If I find,
Speaker 5: if we find something off of a trail that we're
Speaker 5: walking on that people used to walk to the lake
Speaker 5: and stuff like that, within ten fifteen yards or whatever,
Speaker 5: I can't so people people going about there trying to
Speaker 5: hope people.
Speaker 4: And you know that well, I mean, and I don't.
Speaker 4: I always am on the side of, you know, bring
Speaker 4: protection because you just don't know whatever happens in the woods,
Speaker 4: so you have to be protected. And for all those
Speaker 4: who are wanting to play that, you know, play little
Speaker 4: jokes on perhaps the big footers that you know are
Speaker 4: in your area. Why mess with that, I mean, don't
Speaker 4: don't put people in the situations where they're gonna get
Speaker 4: stooped and use use a weapon and then you can
Speaker 4: get hurt and then you know it's just it's not
Speaker 4: worth it.
Speaker 5: And that's why you got to know what people go
Speaker 5: out with too.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, if you with somebody that that
Speaker 2: that's kind of timid or whatnot, I don't want to
Speaker 2: think have.
Speaker 4: Them, have them start, to have them start, and you
Speaker 4: can always be behind them.
Speaker 5: They don't they needn't think connectic on them. Put it
Speaker 5: that way, well said we all we all take protection
Speaker 5: out there, but it's not for the bigfoot. It's for
Speaker 5: the two legged predators out there, which we know that
Speaker 5: people go out and stalk people for whatever reason. And
Speaker 5: the four leg because bears. We got black bear hair
Speaker 5: and coyotes and bear at tax black bear. It's it's
Speaker 5: very rare here. But you never know when you may
Speaker 5: come across a mother and the goves with thy n
Speaker 5: Nine times out of tenth they know you're there, they're
Speaker 5: going to head for a different direction or the rare
Speaker 5: predatory bearer that you got. Because people don't realize if
Speaker 5: you start shooting at a bear especially.
Speaker 6: And it runs off. Now you got another.
Speaker 5: Problem because other people are going to come out there.
Speaker 5: Now they may encounter or wounded bear. Yep, So you
Speaker 5: got people. People have to use common sense when you
Speaker 5: go out there. Start slow baby steps, get comfortable in
Speaker 5: the area you're in, like Daniel, and everybody says, learn
Speaker 5: your wildlife, what's there, what to do if you encounter them,
Speaker 5: what not to do if you encounter certain things. Make
Speaker 5: your presence known. Even if even if you make your
Speaker 5: presence no, I don't think that will detern anyway you
Speaker 5: have in your experience with the bigfoot.
Speaker 6: You know you're there.
Speaker 4: There's no way that you can go walking through the
Speaker 4: woods and the bigfoots, I mean.
Speaker 5: Exactly, they're gonna They're gonna know you're there. If they
Speaker 5: get curious, you might get like enough having the counter,
Speaker 5: or you couldn't catch one off guard at one time
Speaker 5: now that he's walking off or whatever.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, there's this the whole idea of going
Speaker 4: out at night and doing the thing that you know,
Speaker 4: the Finding Bigfoot crew kind of had kicked off was
Speaker 4: going out at night, and it's I much prefer the daytime.
Speaker 4: I know what I'm walking on I know what I'm
Speaker 4: walking around, I know what I'm about to walk hopefully on.
Speaker 4: If it's a sleeping bear or something or whatever. Like yeah,
Speaker 4: like you know, it's there's there's a thrill going out
Speaker 4: at night. You know, your your heart and blood will
Speaker 4: get pumping. But as far as a safety, it's like,
Speaker 4: you know, the the best footage that we currently have
Speaker 4: of a Sasquatch, I think is still kind of goes back,
Speaker 4: you know, to the nineteen sixty seven Patterson given footage,
Speaker 4: but it's and there are others right there, other since
Speaker 4: then that have are good before AI And it's one
Speaker 4: of those things where it's it's just it's it allows
Speaker 4: you to kind of get more familiar with the area
Speaker 4: and when you're out at your camp at night, just
Speaker 4: kind of cooking food, singing or you know, playing music
Speaker 4: or playing a guitar or whatever it is that's going
Speaker 4: to draw them in. And I'll never forget what Owel
Speaker 4: was we were. You know, this is when the whole
Speaker 4: group was out in Mounhood kind of doing our thing.
Speaker 4: We're doing Investigator, We're trying to get quiet and things
Speaker 4: like that, and you hear this off in the distance.
Speaker 4: You just hear this one guy singing this like, oh brother,
Speaker 4: we're arthaou type of yodeling, and it's Tom Powell in
Speaker 4: the middle of the woods and just singing some you know,
Speaker 4: Mountain Hill song and it was just like, you know,
Speaker 4: it was eerie. But what he was doing was trying
Speaker 4: to attract them to him, and he was trying to
Speaker 4: make himself known, and he was trying to be vulnerable.
Speaker 4: And I think that that's a very if we if
Speaker 4: you want to have that experience, you can make yourself
Speaker 4: very vulnerable in the woods by going alone and you know,
Speaker 4: singing songs or you know. And what he would do
Speaker 4: is he would just bring out a cot and put
Speaker 4: a sleeping bag on it and that's it. That was
Speaker 4: his tent. He didn't have a tent.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 4: It's like I wouldn't recommend it myself personally, but.
Speaker 5: Like it's whatever your comfort zone.
Speaker 3: It's whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's whenever, God.
Speaker 5: At research starting the daytime. Yeah, you're not used to
Speaker 5: the woods. What's out there? Don't go out there and
Speaker 5: just jump at nighttime if you don't know the area
Speaker 5: where you're going and stuff like that. What you could
Speaker 5: or may what you may encounter when you're out there
Speaker 5: after dark, because what even though you go out in
Speaker 5: the daytime, you go out there in the nighttime. What
Speaker 5: you do in the daytime, half of them is going
Speaker 5: to change anyway with darkness falls.
Speaker 4: You're yeah, you can't walk what it was that?
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you start in the daytime, at nightfalls, while
Speaker 5: you're out there and you're trying to come back, if
Speaker 5: you're not familiar with the area, and they're gonna look
Speaker 5: less unless you're on a specific path you can follow. Yeah,
Speaker 5: those those shadows start coming in and hitting in the darkness,
Speaker 5: and that could be disorienting, disorienting even in the daytime
Speaker 5: for a lot of people until they get into a
Speaker 5: comfort zone.
Speaker 6: That's going out there. That's what you gotta take baby steps.
Speaker 1: But it's like the location, the location where me and
Speaker 1: David Melissa in our group, where we camp at, I mean,
Speaker 1: where we go out at nighttime. You know, it's totally cool.
Speaker 1: I feel comfortable, I feel you know whatever I mean,
Speaker 1: I think. I don't think I can't recall one ounce
Speaker 1: of fear or any kind of nervous feeling I've ever
Speaker 1: had while we've gone out together as a crew. But
Speaker 1: you know, the few times I've camped out there by myself,
Speaker 1: you know, the venture alone.
Speaker 3: I don't care how many lights.
Speaker 1: I have on me or whatever, even if even with
Speaker 1: a side arm on me. I've gone out there, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, not far away from camp, you know, by
Speaker 1: where we've had this strange light and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: just walking up there. It's a different feeling when you're
Speaker 1: by yourself, knowing that there's nobody else around you, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, all you got is.
Speaker 3: Your side arm or a phone or a camp or
Speaker 3: whatever camp order or whatever.
Speaker 1: You got and a head lamp or a light that
Speaker 1: goes dead on you like crap, you know, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, all kinds of crap happens. The feeling
Speaker 1: kind of rushes over you, like you can't help that.
Speaker 1: It's a different feeling, Like you know, I've been out
Speaker 1: it's a lot by myself, but you know, especially in it,
Speaker 1: like like David wasn't, I could go on elk On
Speaker 1: Lake or walk the road for by myself at night.
Speaker 1: You know, I've been out there enough by myself because
Speaker 1: I know the area so well, you know, I just
Speaker 1: feel more protected out there for some reason. I don't
Speaker 1: know why, but you know this other area here, to
Speaker 1: me is it's a different ballgame, you know, knowing that
Speaker 1: there's not woods on top of woods on top of woods,
Speaker 1: you know, work mine and everything else out there. It's yeah,
Speaker 1: it's some of the things I've heard at nighttime makes
Speaker 1: you really wonder, like, Okay, sure, I better stay close
Speaker 1: to camp, you know, so you.
Speaker 4: Don't have to you don't have to go far right,
Speaker 4: you just don't. And you can get yourself an airbnb
Speaker 4: on the East coast or West coast or Ohio and
Speaker 4: in the middle of the woods and like, oh yeah, experience.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. I've done that with you know in the past.
Speaker 3: You know, we've you know, me and.
Speaker 1: Old Grover and we've actually done that, you know, in
Speaker 1: areas like this is so freaking cool. You know, we're
Speaker 1: I mean, this was here in Virginia, but we were
Speaker 1: like surrounded by woods and you've got a few of
Speaker 1: them mountain up behind the cabin, you know, you.
Speaker 3: Know, you just don't know. I mean, I'm not saying
Speaker 3: I've had.
Speaker 1: Experiences that way, but just the fact that you're there
Speaker 1: and surrounded by woods and you're in an area where
Speaker 1: like this is the perfect environment, perfect cabinitat you know,
Speaker 1: but it is whatever you know.
Speaker 5: But so it's all part of it, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, so, Kevin, I want to ask you
Speaker 1: a question. I mean, I mean, you plan on continuing
Speaker 1: when your research as far as getting out there doing
Speaker 1: other expeditions and group.
Speaker 3: Or anything like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I said, growing family, I got to be
Speaker 4: here for them. I gotta be a whole mind and body, right,
Speaker 4: But yes, and in fact, I'd like to get out
Speaker 4: to the East Coast. You know, I've been kind of
Speaker 4: doing more of the West Coast side of things. The
Speaker 4: I've also, I mean, shame on me for not getting
Speaker 4: out to Bluff Creek or California and you know, getting
Speaker 4: back to Mecca. But like maybe maybe over in California.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I would say California or the East Coast
Speaker 4: is kind of where I'm headed next. I've got a
Speaker 4: a good friend who's kind of out in that New
Speaker 4: Hampshire area who says that there's things kind of going
Speaker 4: on in that in those forests.
Speaker 3: It's his name, Mike. It's not no, I'm asking Mike
Speaker 3: Timsley was one of our recent guests.
Speaker 4: Yeah it's uh no, but yeah, absolutely, I mean that's
Speaker 4: that's on the horizon for me. And also.
Speaker 3: I'm working on when it comes to Virginia.
Speaker 4: You never know, but I you know, I got your
Speaker 4: contact info and so like if if it's open invitation, Daniel,
Speaker 4: like I will, I will for sure reach out.
Speaker 1: I can tell you I could. I can guarantee you
Speaker 1: we are cheaper than the BFRO. We don't charge. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know how much the BFRO cass. I know people
Speaker 1: that used to associate with the BFRO well, and and.
Speaker 4: It goes, Yeah, it's kind of over talking about you
Speaker 4: don't need to pay if you want to go to
Speaker 4: some there and have a group of twenty to thirty
Speaker 4: people in the woods chomping around like.
Speaker 3: You know what the I can't not even that big?
Speaker 1: What do we have eight to ten people at maybe
Speaker 1: twelve people at the most if that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then most of the time we split up
Speaker 5: in the groups small to you know, smaller groups. Anyway,
Speaker 5: if we have enough, we're going through a night time
Speaker 5: max that one times been four.
Speaker 1: I mean we usually have a couple of people left
Speaker 1: back at base camp, you know, because a lot of
Speaker 1: them depends on who stays back at base camp. Their
Speaker 1: mobility is slightly limited off. Oh yeah, yeah, and that
Speaker 1: or whatever we had.
Speaker 12: We had someone to operate the radio because if there
Speaker 12: is an emergency for those that's out there in the woods,
Speaker 12: they need to be able to contact us. That way,
Speaker 12: if something does happen God forbid, you know, we can
Speaker 12: get in a vehicle and head down in their direction.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean eventually on our filming expeditions. I mean
Speaker 1: as years go by, you'll start seeing us, You'll start
Speaker 1: seeing our group members with walker and going down the
Speaker 1: forest road.
Speaker 3: I'm let me start.
Speaker 4: I have to get more four wheelers out there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I make too much noise.
Speaker 1: No, I mean we Yeah, we do two group camp
Speaker 1: ups a year. May is September. But right now I
Speaker 1: haven't said a day for September because I got other
Speaker 1: things I'm working on and I want to be able
Speaker 1: to say what extra time I'll have after May meet
Speaker 1: up with other people lover investigations.
Speaker 3: That's something I'm working towards this year.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean the invitations out at GIA May
Speaker 1: seventeen through the twenty six year in Virginia.
Speaker 3: If that's right, that might work out for you.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'll keep you post on that. I appreciate
Speaker 4: the open opportunity there and invitation, I mean any chance
Speaker 4: I can, and just you know, from a safety standpoint,
Speaker 4: you know, things like that, you got to go with
Speaker 4: people that you trust to your point, David, you know,
Speaker 4: other than that, you know, I'm working on a script,
Speaker 4: like kind of a movie script about Bigfoot. There are
Speaker 4: a plethora, you come to find out on streaming services,
Speaker 4: all of these different Bigfoot movies, and they're all kind
Speaker 4: of like these schlock be horror films. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 4: it's fun and like as much as I don't believe
Speaker 4: that these creatures are that way, of course it's fun
Speaker 4: to write a script that way. So like, of course
Speaker 4: that's what I'm doing. But it's also one of those
Speaker 4: things where there's a lot of we need you don't
Speaker 4: need to get into this dietria, but there's a there's
Speaker 4: some bad Bigfoot movies out there, and like the whole
Speaker 4: Sasquatch Sunset Sunrise.
Speaker 3: That, Yeah, I didn't even watch it.
Speaker 11: I don't want I did, and it's.
Speaker 4: Like for those watch it, so I don't quite know
Speaker 4: what they were trying to, like, what their message was,
Speaker 4: but it made the Sasquatch look like drunk or like
Speaker 4: drugged ape men like or even men, and like it
Speaker 4: just all the more reason where it makes like us
Speaker 4: researchers look even more the fool and so it's just
Speaker 4: not I did not appreciate.
Speaker 5: It, and we're not We're not gonna get away from that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well he almost did with with Meldrum. And
Speaker 4: you know, I think that there are those again, the
Speaker 4: more scientific side of this, by tracks by DNA, those
Speaker 4: are hard proofs. And I know that even like Les
Speaker 4: Stroud is trying to kind of bring in a DNA
Speaker 4: side of things, but like the DNA folks that he
Speaker 4: was working with, like they're building burned down or something
Speaker 4: and now they moved. It's just like it's a it's
Speaker 4: always this hard road with this topic.
Speaker 3: You mentioned less Shroud.
Speaker 1: I didn't know you were involved in trying to produce
Speaker 1: DNA because I know he's very he's very skeptical, but
Speaker 1: I feel like he's a believer to a point, but
Speaker 1: at the same time he's keeping skeptical.
Speaker 3: My viewpoint on the subject on what he's out there.
Speaker 3: He says, Yeah, I mean I agree with.
Speaker 4: His He did a series, you know, he did Survivorman
Speaker 4: that he did though like he did a full series
Speaker 4: of like Survivorman Bigfoot edition. Yeah, so good, And I
Speaker 4: mean and so he was actually going to go in
Speaker 4: depth more than in a documentary with doctor Jeffrey Meldrum.
Speaker 4: But his passing, I think that's causing a lot of delays.
Speaker 6: And so.
Speaker 4: That's just I think the direction in which the documentary
Speaker 4: was supposed to go is now kind of maybe taking
Speaker 4: a turn or a back seat. But there is a
Speaker 4: DNA portion of that, right, interesting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if I'm not mistaken, I think some of the
Speaker 5: even vocalizations that they've caught, they can't match him up
Speaker 5: to any known other wildlife type vocalizations.
Speaker 6: That go on record too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what I've seen on TV with some of
Speaker 5: those things where people get the vocalizations they call them
Speaker 5: audio the cinnamon and have mammalized. It doesn't match up
Speaker 5: to anything.
Speaker 4: No, Yeah, the the biggest, like yeah, so for the vocalizations,
Speaker 4: I mean, the Sierra sounds was the biggest best, you know,
Speaker 4: kind of what's out there. On one of his episodes
Speaker 4: of the you know, Survivor Man Bigfoot, they do kind
Speaker 4: of replay back what's the samurai chatter that someone had
Speaker 4: caught and Samurai chatter is just basically is is what
Speaker 4: it sounds like? Literally real type of thing. And so
Speaker 4: the language there I think is is I think it's
Speaker 4: something to be studied, that it has been studied, and
Speaker 4: so it But I don't know if he's digging into
Speaker 4: that side of things. I mean, I think he's going
Speaker 4: straight for the DNA proof in this documentary.
Speaker 5: As long as nobody, as long as nobody interferes with him,
Speaker 5: because at the back of my mind is when somebody
Speaker 5: starts to get close, if they haven't already, they get
Speaker 5: that phone call or that knock on the door to
Speaker 5: tap it down.
Speaker 6: Mm hm, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I've always found it fascinating with you know ron yuh
Speaker 1: RAN's uh you know video capture of the sounds and
Speaker 1: sounds I've always found them fascinating. You know, that came
Speaker 1: back from the seventies. If I'm not mistaken, you.
Speaker 4: Know that was only a that was on a reel deel.
Speaker 1: That's all right, right, And you know, I'm waiting for
Speaker 1: somebody to come up with something like you know, like
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying everybody speaks the same language.
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, some people speak eighty and some
Speaker 3: people speak Russian.
Speaker 1: I mean, that might be a completely different language out
Speaker 1: there than what we might have here on the East Coast.
Speaker 3: So but it makes you wonder.
Speaker 1: You know, I've heard people say, oh, I've heard it
Speaker 1: sound like Samur Charader in the wood.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what they heard, but you know,
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, is it the same language that this
Speaker 1: year sounds picked up, you know, versus I don't know.
Speaker 1: It makes you really wonder. You know that the North
Speaker 1: American continents produced, you know, as far as the Sasquaxts
Speaker 1: that live here. It makes you wonder are they speaking
Speaker 1: the same language out there that they do here versus
Speaker 1: what they might speak out China or Australia down to
Speaker 1: South America. I mean, I mean they all have their
Speaker 1: own type of language. Yeah, but you know, I heard
Speaker 1: some people.
Speaker 3: Say, oh, they speak English. I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 3: makes you really wonder.
Speaker 5: Well, And.
Speaker 4: If you look up Scott Nelson, he actually did have
Speaker 4: a bunch of the yeah, like he broke this down
Speaker 4: into he he did the research of the hair of
Speaker 4: Sounds and like the alleged recordings of Sasquatch, and obviously
Speaker 4: he can't translate that. But he he came to say
Speaker 4: that there's like irrefutable syllables and language and words being spoken,
Speaker 4: and like it's it's at actually a higher rate in
Speaker 4: which we speak. I guess we speak pretty slow. But
Speaker 4: these things when they say that's like that's a whole
Speaker 4: paragraph that they have now spoken. But Scott, Scott Nelson
Speaker 4: was a he look into that. I mean, for those listening,
Speaker 4: that's that's an interesting, interesting analysis of the language.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting how Scott came about that. It was
Speaker 1: it was I want to I don't want to say.
Speaker 1: It was an actor and it was based off of
Speaker 1: his sons. Something was doing a project or something involved
Speaker 1: with something something to do with school.
Speaker 3: His son happened to be playing that, uh you know,
Speaker 3: and then he overheard it. What the heck is that?
Speaker 3: From my understanding, I mean, I could be wrong on that.
Speaker 3: That's the story I heard.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's probably true. I mean, yeah, there's he's given
Speaker 4: lectures and they're they're all over YouTube.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, Well tell you what, guys, we're getting to
Speaker 1: a point where it's we've been on.
Speaker 3: Here for a good two hours, which I mean, I don't.
Speaker 5: Mind going a long, long longer long already.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it's been over two hours. It's pretty cool.
Speaker 5: I love that in depth conversations that goes by fast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or real quick, Kevin, what time is there?
Speaker 3: Are you East coach time? Or what time is it
Speaker 3: over there?
Speaker 4: I'm Central, so it's it's ten fifteen, ten sixteen.
Speaker 3: Okay for your hour behind? Okay?
Speaker 6: Cool?
Speaker 3: Are you here Milwaukee.
Speaker 4: Stones throwaway? I have a sister that lives up there. Okay,
Speaker 4: very cool?
Speaker 5: Yeah, four years now.
Speaker 6: Very cool? Yeah.
Speaker 4: We uh the big footing kind of happens towards the
Speaker 4: Dells area, if you're familiar with that.
Speaker 5: Interesting. Yeah, I got certain to find scuba diving back
Speaker 5: at seventy seven of a Kenosha, Wisconsin. That's where the
Speaker 5: shop works. Yeah, like certain to find scuba diving up
Speaker 5: there to shop there in Kenosha.
Speaker 6: Oh Okay.
Speaker 5: We went to the Great Lakes, the Lake Michigan for
Speaker 5: the actual dive pork when I was in the military.
Speaker 5: That was back at seventy seven. That was way way,
Speaker 5: way way back in the past.
Speaker 3: We're not going to say how old, right.
Speaker 5: I'm the only logical one of.
Speaker 1: The you you's.
Speaker 5: Got to have out there. That's why we're out there
Speaker 5: with him.
Speaker 4: We got off of that clip, right right.
Speaker 3: I don't know how old you can. You might be
Speaker 3: younger than me.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Oh, I don't know. I think I think it might
Speaker 4: be a scooch younger. Yeah, I'm thirteen, uh like forty.
Speaker 4: Don't let the hair style fool you.
Speaker 1: So you Yeah, he's younger than me. I'm forty five. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all of.
Speaker 5: The Ultimate Quad. Now let's move on to the next.
Speaker 4: Colbic combined, we could meet match David's age, right.
Speaker 3: Well, if you want to match David's age, you know
Speaker 3: the story about Adam and Eve, right means.
Speaker 5: I wrote the first Hiero glyphic.
Speaker 1: Okay, we cut up on each other. That's how we are.
Speaker 4: That's great. That was awesome.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: Before we get out of here, keV, I want to
Speaker 1: give you the last words. I mean, anything you want
Speaker 1: to throw out there, share with the audience, anything you
Speaker 1: want them to know, anything like anything you might have
Speaker 1: coming up that you want them to know about.
Speaker 3: It will.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to turn it over to you before
Speaker 1: we jump off here.
Speaker 4: Sure, well, before I do that, you know, thank you
Speaker 4: Daniel and David and Milissa, great to meet you. Thank
Speaker 4: you for having me on the show. Definitely would love
Speaker 4: to come back, and I'll definitely hit you up if
Speaker 4: I'm in Virginia, Daniel. I think that would be phenomenal.
Speaker 4: I would, you know, mark something off from the East Coast,
Speaker 4: which I'm trying to get to. As far as things
Speaker 4: that I have kind of on the radar again, kind
Speaker 4: of this you know, middle young teen book that I'm
Speaker 4: working on was it real or not? And there was
Speaker 4: also the movie script been working out. But then you
Speaker 4: can follow me on pine Shadow design It's on Instagram.
Speaker 4: I also have a Etsy shop called pine Shadow Designs
Speaker 4: to try to correlate those two. By all means, if
Speaker 4: you again, if you have middles in your life or
Speaker 4: children in your life, while please grab a book Billy
Speaker 4: Finds Bigfoot. It's a very very nice read. Did all
Speaker 4: the illustrations, did the you know was the author of it?
Speaker 4: So please check that out.
Speaker 5: Sorry, thank you, Robert, I appreciate that. Letting David a
Speaker 5: secretly a survivor from ATLANDA. Oh there's no replacement from experience.
Speaker 1: Okay, real quick, everybody, I want to remind everybody a
Speaker 1: lot of you guys, there's a lot of a good
Speaker 1: group of people that's been on the Life Chat.
Speaker 3: It came on a little later.
Speaker 1: I highly recommend you guys go back and watch this
Speaker 1: and listen from the very beginning. Also, be sure to
Speaker 1: click the description of this podcast, uh, because you know,
Speaker 1: Kevin's got a book called Billy Finds Bigfoot, and uh
Speaker 1: the description for that is in there. So if you've
Speaker 1: got children, even adults, I mean, I think I would
Speaker 1: find that, you know, fascinating. I would buy it for myself,
Speaker 1: you know, of course I'll share reading with my grandson,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: So you know, so check this description.
Speaker 1: The link is in the description for his book called
Speaker 1: Billy Finds Bigfoot, So so check that out and hopefully,
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully Kevin will come back and join us
Speaker 1: again in the future, you know.
Speaker 3: So if you if you're listening to this on the rerun, excellent.
Speaker 1: We're also on eastboor Bigfoot Radio found on any of
Speaker 1: your favorite podcast platform so uh.
Speaker 3: So, next time, guys, we really appreciate you tuning in.
Speaker 3: Make sure you still fribe.
Speaker 13: Keep it squatchy, m Thank you all right, thanks so yeah,
Speaker 13: Brol you gotta have a good night and keeping squatchy. Everyone,
Speaker 13: all right,