WEBVTT 1 00:02:09.000 --> 00:02:12.080 Hey, welcome everybody. I want to thank all of you 2 00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:15.120 guys for jumping in tonight. Here we are nine pm. 3 00:02:15.159 --> 00:02:18.280 We're running a couple of minutes behind. It's nothing new 4 00:02:18.280 --> 00:02:21.919 with us anyway. So again I want to welcome everybody here. 5 00:02:22.280 --> 00:02:24.599 I want to bring the crew in here and our guest. 6 00:02:25.240 --> 00:02:25.360 Uh. 7 00:02:25.479 --> 00:02:29.199 I think we're gonna have another great podcast tonight, very 8 00:02:29.199 --> 00:02:30.039 interesting discussion. 9 00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:32.400 I'm looking looking forward to seeing where this is going 10 00:02:32.479 --> 00:02:33.039 to go tonight. 11 00:02:33.159 --> 00:02:36.680 So for you guys, there's no strangers here Melissa and 12 00:02:36.759 --> 00:02:42.199 David Lester, and tonight we have mister TeV the stars. 13 00:02:42.479 --> 00:02:42.599 Uh. 14 00:02:43.360 --> 00:02:46.120 I'm gonna ask him if I butchered his last name? 15 00:02:46.840 --> 00:02:48.000 Nailed it? 16 00:02:48.039 --> 00:02:49.280 Oh good good. 17 00:02:49.520 --> 00:02:56.319 I have a habit of destroying and butchering people's name, so. 18 00:02:56.960 --> 00:03:00.520 As well as yours. Las name. 19 00:03:01.199 --> 00:03:02.879 Yeah, a lot of them are familiar with it because 20 00:03:02.879 --> 00:03:05.280 they you know, they follow wrestling and everything. You know, 21 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:07.560 a lot of them. Ben wah is kind of a 22 00:03:08.919 --> 00:03:12.000 It's seems to be common with some people. 23 00:03:12.080 --> 00:03:13.439 Then again, like what what you know? 24 00:03:13.840 --> 00:03:16.360 I've heard a pronounce it with letters that don't even 25 00:03:16.400 --> 00:03:19.560 exist in it, Like, oh, butnog, where. 26 00:03:19.360 --> 00:03:20.439 Do you get that from? You know? 27 00:03:21.719 --> 00:03:26.759 I don't get it but it's whatever. Well, Keviv, I 28 00:03:26.759 --> 00:03:28.879 want to thank you for coming on tonight. Uh, this 29 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:31.400 is great that you're gonna be with us tonight, and uh, 30 00:03:31.759 --> 00:03:33.879 you know, I'm excited to see where this is gonna go. 31 00:03:34.759 --> 00:03:38.240 Uh yeah me, oh for sure, for sure. 32 00:03:38.759 --> 00:03:39.759 We do have a live chat. 33 00:03:39.800 --> 00:03:42.360 I'm sure you know you're you're no strangers of these podcasts. 34 00:03:42.439 --> 00:03:45.199 I'm sure you understand how they go. Uh yeah, we 35 00:03:45.240 --> 00:03:47.439 do try our best to pay attentions to the live chat, 36 00:03:47.639 --> 00:03:49.479 which I'm gonna try to bring it up right now. 37 00:03:50.639 --> 00:03:54.479 Yeah, that's great. I'll do this a lot for work, 38 00:03:54.639 --> 00:03:57.039 so I will be happy to chime in on an 39 00:03:57.120 --> 00:03:59.680 answer any questions that I get real time if I. 40 00:03:59.639 --> 00:04:06.280 Can, oh a good deal. Well, I think we should 41 00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:07.639 go ahead jump right into this. 42 00:04:07.719 --> 00:04:09.879 We got people already with us watching we get the 43 00:04:09.919 --> 00:04:14.800 live chat, you know, go there right now. So could 44 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:18.160 you take back, you know, kind of what got you 45 00:04:18.240 --> 00:04:20.720 involved with the whole research? 46 00:04:21.120 --> 00:04:22.920 I mean, yeah, what brought you into all this? 47 00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:27.920 Yeah, well again before I get started things again, Daniel 48 00:04:27.959 --> 00:04:30.120 and David and Melissa, nice to meet you. Thanks for 49 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:35.879 having me the show. So this all kind of started 50 00:04:36.839 --> 00:04:41.720 back in about it was about nineteen ninety five, that 51 00:04:41.879 --> 00:04:47.959 is when the Internet was starting to come online. And 52 00:04:48.199 --> 00:04:50.959 I always kind of joke that I had my mean millennium, 53 00:04:51.759 --> 00:04:54.959 which is like a type of you know, Microsoft computer, 54 00:04:55.120 --> 00:04:58.800 and the first the first thing I, you know, would 55 00:04:58.839 --> 00:05:03.959 search for was Bigfoot, and I happened upon a bfur 56 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:10.240 a website. But even before then, you know, I think 57 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:13.360 it takes it. I take it back to I would 58 00:05:13.360 --> 00:05:15.439 always get in trouble a lot because I would always 59 00:05:15.480 --> 00:05:18.800 want to watch scary movies as a kid, and the 60 00:05:18.839 --> 00:05:21.279 monster movies, and I would get in trouble because I 61 00:05:21.279 --> 00:05:25.199 would always keep me up late. But then I think 62 00:05:25.279 --> 00:05:28.639 it was right about they came out in eighty seven. 63 00:05:28.800 --> 00:05:32.560 But then Harry and the Henderson's obviously very much affected 64 00:05:32.600 --> 00:05:37.680 my life. I'm drinking the mug here, so it's definitely 65 00:05:37.720 --> 00:05:38.959 stayed with me obviously. 66 00:05:39.079 --> 00:05:42.639 But that was just watch yeah real quick. 67 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:44.800 I just watched that last night for the first time 68 00:05:44.839 --> 00:05:47.319 with my grands I've seen it numerous signs. Yeah, grandson, 69 00:05:47.360 --> 00:05:49.199 I got to watch it for the first time yesterday. 70 00:05:49.439 --> 00:05:50.639 Yeah, he's five, So. 71 00:05:51.680 --> 00:05:52.519 What do you think of it? 72 00:05:53.279 --> 00:05:54.120 I've I liked it. 73 00:05:54.160 --> 00:05:56.199 I mean he was slapping at it, you know, So 74 00:05:56.439 --> 00:05:57.920 I was going to enjoyed it. 75 00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:01.360 Well, I mean what you might not know, Daniels, you 76 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:04.839 might have planted the Bigfoot bug in him, so now 77 00:06:05.040 --> 00:06:07.279 forever more he might want to be chasing it. But 78 00:06:07.959 --> 00:06:11.079 because that's what happened to me, I saw that movie 79 00:06:11.120 --> 00:06:13.399 and I and I Bigfoot was always kind of in like, 80 00:06:13.439 --> 00:06:15.199 you know, the peripheral. I kind of heard about it, 81 00:06:15.399 --> 00:06:17.600 you know, going up on Wisconsin. I mean we've had 82 00:06:17.639 --> 00:06:21.160 our own stories of things like that here. That was 83 00:06:21.240 --> 00:06:24.920 that was probably the genesis, if you will, of what 84 00:06:24.920 --> 00:06:26.800 what is this? I need to explore more? So I 85 00:06:26.800 --> 00:06:28.199 would I would say that movie was it? 86 00:06:29.079 --> 00:06:34.439 Yeah? Absolutely did get Did that get involved in any 87 00:06:34.560 --> 00:06:37.000 groups that you've joined up to go and exploring with 88 00:06:37.079 --> 00:06:38.959 or you do it on your own? Yeah? 89 00:06:39.040 --> 00:06:44.040 You know what, David, So, I actually by researching the 90 00:06:44.120 --> 00:06:48.800 b f O Bigfoot Field Research or Organization, you know, 91 00:06:50.360 --> 00:06:53.240 that was the first tipping point of Oh, and then 92 00:06:53.279 --> 00:06:56.720 obviously the finding Bigfoot show and then realizing that you 93 00:06:56.759 --> 00:07:00.439 can go out there and you pay to have you Yeah, 94 00:07:00.879 --> 00:07:06.199 and he kind of brought into these high activity spots, 95 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:11.800 so to speak. And so that's actually where I picked 96 00:07:11.879 --> 00:07:16.319 up with the bf RO O. I never I guess 97 00:07:16.319 --> 00:07:19.759 never became an actual member or had gotten ever tapped 98 00:07:19.759 --> 00:07:21.879 on the shoulder to do any investigation. I mean I 99 00:07:21.920 --> 00:07:24.600 was still in college, going to school, trying to finish 100 00:07:24.600 --> 00:07:26.920 things up, starting work, Like I just didn't have the 101 00:07:26.959 --> 00:07:31.160 time to become an investigator. But that was the I 102 00:07:31.160 --> 00:07:34.000 mean I went. I went on several expeditions, but in 103 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:38.040 fact it was the first one in Los Alamos, New Mexico, 104 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:44.519 which was the one where we had basically a Class 105 00:07:44.560 --> 00:07:50.319 B experience. We I'm happy to get into that right 106 00:07:50.360 --> 00:07:52.519 away if you'd like, But that's that's where things got 107 00:07:52.600 --> 00:07:53.279 kicked off there. 108 00:07:53.879 --> 00:07:56.360 Well, yeah, what is it. I'm not familiar with classes 109 00:07:56.399 --> 00:08:00.759 as far as that Class B. See what they have 110 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:03.839 if Daniel knows, we haven't gotten that part with Daniel 111 00:08:03.879 --> 00:08:05.519 and that we will be within five years. But I 112 00:08:05.720 --> 00:08:07.959 know they're different category took. 113 00:08:09.439 --> 00:08:11.000 Janna, Do you want to go ahead and explain that? 114 00:08:12.079 --> 00:08:12.519 Uh? 115 00:08:12.600 --> 00:08:14.079 Well, I could try my best. 116 00:08:14.120 --> 00:08:16.079 I know Class AS, like the top up there is 117 00:08:16.079 --> 00:08:19.439 actually a visual fighting, uh I know the other ones 118 00:08:19.480 --> 00:08:21.759 I'm not familiar with. Class A is only more of 119 00:08:21.879 --> 00:08:24.399 the ones I'm more clean on because I know that's 120 00:08:24.480 --> 00:08:27.879 like a clear, straight visual I don't want to butcher 121 00:08:27.959 --> 00:08:30.439 up the other ones. I mean, one's more like sometimes 122 00:08:30.439 --> 00:08:33.039 they can be related to vocals and close activity, but. 123 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:36.000 That's and that's that's basically a class B is anything 124 00:08:36.080 --> 00:08:40.039 vocal that you hear. So and and in fact we 125 00:08:40.960 --> 00:08:43.000 I'm happy to get into more of the detail the story. 126 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:45.799 But oh yeah, feel free, all right. 127 00:08:47.320 --> 00:08:50.639 So setting this up, so Los almost this was our 128 00:08:50.720 --> 00:08:53.759 first expedition. This was where I actually have brought in 129 00:08:53.759 --> 00:08:57.080 a family member with me just to just kind of 130 00:08:57.080 --> 00:08:59.440 see what this whole experience with the b f R 131 00:08:59.480 --> 00:09:04.000 O was like. You know, for those who are familiar 132 00:09:04.039 --> 00:09:06.639 with or maybe not familiar with finding Bigfoot, this was 133 00:09:07.159 --> 00:09:11.840 met Moneymaker's kind of organization of groups of people throughout 134 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:15.360 the entire US who are kind of in each state 135 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:20.240 more or less besides Hawaii, who are finding Bigfoot. Right. 136 00:09:20.320 --> 00:09:25.320 So at this point in time, I was kind of 137 00:09:25.320 --> 00:09:28.159 living in Texas and so it wasn't the farthest drive 138 00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:30.600 to get to New Mexico. So that's where we decided 139 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:35.600 to go. And this is where everything kind of kicked off. 140 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:37.720 Like I had said, and you know, the first night 141 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:43.080 and I wasn't super familiar with camping. I would just 142 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:45.519 put that out there. I wasn't. 143 00:09:45.519 --> 00:09:46.159 No, I didn't. 144 00:09:46.159 --> 00:09:48.720 I didn't know what I was seeing or hearing or 145 00:09:48.840 --> 00:09:53.440 you know, my eyes were still kind of getting used 146 00:09:53.480 --> 00:09:55.919 to the forest and how dark it can actually get, 147 00:09:56.399 --> 00:10:01.120 and what shapes and things look like in shadow against 148 00:10:01.159 --> 00:10:03.240 the you know, the backdrop of a fire. You know, 149 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:07.200 So those were when you have those kind of dancing 150 00:10:07.240 --> 00:10:09.320 shadows and things like that, you're you're kind of just 151 00:10:09.559 --> 00:10:13.360 in for the ride. But what it really was. So 152 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:15.759 the first night we kind of you know, sat around, 153 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:19.039 talked about things of what the three day was going 154 00:10:19.080 --> 00:10:23.240 to entail. And the first night when we did finally 155 00:10:23.320 --> 00:10:27.039 kind of go out, I mean already immediately we already 156 00:10:27.080 --> 00:10:30.600 kind of had heard some what was you know, this 157 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:32.320 is kind of a buzzword for some of those, but 158 00:10:32.399 --> 00:10:39.320 this very lumbrous walking where you heard this crunch, crunch, crunch, 159 00:10:39.840 --> 00:10:42.000 and it had a rhythm to it, which just was 160 00:10:42.200 --> 00:10:45.759 it seemed like this was a tall being. This was 161 00:10:45.879 --> 00:10:49.879 maybe about one hundred yards perhaps you know, again being 162 00:10:49.919 --> 00:10:52.080 new to the woods, that that's just what I can 163 00:10:52.639 --> 00:10:57.039 surmise that that's how far it was away, and so 164 00:10:57.159 --> 00:10:59.039 this was maybe about one hundred yards, but you kind 165 00:10:59.039 --> 00:11:03.200 of hear this walking and then nothing really happened, but 166 00:11:03.200 --> 00:11:05.679 it was kind of exciting because you know, we're radioing 167 00:11:05.720 --> 00:11:07.720 in like are you hearing this? Is anyone else there? 168 00:11:07.759 --> 00:11:10.600 Like who could be there? And you know, the leaders 169 00:11:10.639 --> 00:11:14.799 of this group was saying everyone's accounted for and unless 170 00:11:14.840 --> 00:11:19.039 it's someone just walking in the woods, it's but it's bipedal. 171 00:11:19.279 --> 00:11:21.840 That's That's the big takeaway there for that was night one. 172 00:11:23.320 --> 00:11:30.279 Night two is where really changed my life because we 173 00:11:30.279 --> 00:11:32.600 we were there was this actually this trail that went 174 00:11:32.639 --> 00:11:34.759 down kind of where our tent was, and it just 175 00:11:34.840 --> 00:11:36.840 kind of meandered. We didn't know quite where it went, 176 00:11:36.960 --> 00:11:39.200 you know, it's just this kind a hiking trail, if 177 00:11:39.200 --> 00:11:44.399 you will. So then it was me again family, remember, 178 00:11:44.480 --> 00:11:47.879 and this other fella and then another guy and then 179 00:11:47.919 --> 00:11:49.679 one of the other kind of leaders if you will, 180 00:11:49.720 --> 00:11:53.519 of the bf row and this guy. Just to put 181 00:11:53.519 --> 00:11:57.519 this out there, this guy was like six seven six eight, 182 00:11:57.759 --> 00:12:00.919 I mean he was a tall fella. What I recollect 183 00:12:01.720 --> 00:12:04.799 and so I'll get back to why that's important. But 184 00:12:05.840 --> 00:12:08.399 we decided to kind of go down this path, all 185 00:12:08.440 --> 00:12:10.879 five of us, but then it kind of split off 186 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:14.759 and so this the tall fella and another person they 187 00:12:14.840 --> 00:12:17.919 kind of took one direction, myself, family member, and this 188 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:21.639 other guy we went the other and we kind of 189 00:12:22.039 --> 00:12:24.399 huddled and said, you know, let's let's just what do 190 00:12:24.519 --> 00:12:27.679 we what's our game plan? And I kind of said, 191 00:12:27.679 --> 00:12:31.240 you know, let's just try this. Let's let's see if 192 00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:33.840 we can kind of walk every thirty feet or so 193 00:12:34.919 --> 00:12:37.559 and stop in the shadows of these you know, these 194 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:41.200 trees that are kind of really well lit because it 195 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:46.000 was a very full moonlight. And I think that's important 196 00:12:46.039 --> 00:12:48.159 because a lot of bigfooters will kind of tell you 197 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:51.799 that maybe no moon is best, or half moon or 198 00:12:51.840 --> 00:12:54.440 full moon. But I have to say that the best 199 00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:56.919 experiences that I've ever had is with the full moon, 200 00:12:59.120 --> 00:13:01.240 and up in this Los Alamos area that you know, 201 00:13:01.320 --> 00:13:03.639 up in the mountains, it was so deadly quiet that 202 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:06.279 you you could actually kind of hear your pulse beating 203 00:13:06.519 --> 00:13:10.120 in your ear. There was no flies, no mosquitos, no nothing, 204 00:13:10.120 --> 00:13:14.639 no wind. So as we're kind of continuing this little 205 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:18.679 test of starting and stopping in the shadow line of 206 00:13:18.759 --> 00:13:21.960 these trees, we came to a stop and we kind 207 00:13:21.960 --> 00:13:25.080 of were paused. Well, sure enough, there was this little 208 00:13:25.120 --> 00:13:29.000 trickle pebble just kind of came down this mountainside or hill, 209 00:13:29.919 --> 00:13:33.799 and we kind of looked and you know, you're supposed 210 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:36.039 to kind of give coordinator or you know, kind of 211 00:13:36.120 --> 00:13:39.279 give a clock reference as did you hear your six? Yeah, 212 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:41.039 I didn't. I didn't catch it. Yeah I caught it 213 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:43.879 something like that. But everyone kind of heard this pebble 214 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:48.000 that me and these two other guys, and so we 215 00:13:48.080 --> 00:13:52.279 didn't have then this is on us. We were novice, 216 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:55.559 but we didn't have any recording equipment. We didn't have 217 00:13:55.559 --> 00:14:00.399 any night vision that came later and expeditions. It was 218 00:14:00.519 --> 00:14:05.240 just us, just us there experiencing. So we acknowledge that 219 00:14:05.240 --> 00:14:07.080 there was this kind of this pebble that trickled down 220 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:08.679 and I didn't see anything. I mean, you can again 221 00:14:08.720 --> 00:14:10.639 you can kind of see into the forest because of 222 00:14:10.679 --> 00:14:13.600 this this moon was so bright, but didn't see anything. 223 00:14:16.279 --> 00:14:21.759 Maybe we took another ten or twenty steps to get 224 00:14:21.799 --> 00:14:24.440 further down into this trail, and then we heard this 225 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:29.120 deep and then again buzzword kind of guttural growl that 226 00:14:29.360 --> 00:14:34.240 was so deep in the base. Literally it kind of 227 00:14:34.399 --> 00:14:36.399 I can still remember, like your shirt just kind of 228 00:14:36.440 --> 00:14:40.519 trembles a little bit on your chest and if I 229 00:14:40.559 --> 00:14:42.480 can reenact at the best they can, but it came 230 00:14:42.519 --> 00:14:49.840 across as kind of this and it just kind of 231 00:14:52.039 --> 00:14:55.639 we all looked at each other and this was it 232 00:14:55.679 --> 00:15:01.960 was an immediate reaction of stop, go back, do not 233 00:15:02.080 --> 00:15:04.919 come any further. That was the sentiment that, like we 234 00:15:04.919 --> 00:15:09.960 we had gotten in a million things are kind of 235 00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:15.000 rushing through again a new person's head thinking well, that 236 00:15:15.159 --> 00:15:18.840 wasn't a wolf, it wasn't a cat, maybe a bear 237 00:15:19.039 --> 00:15:23.200 like these things would have maybe let themselves know or 238 00:15:23.320 --> 00:15:25.919 not know that they're there because they're going to try 239 00:15:25.919 --> 00:15:28.399 to you know, eat you or whatever it might be. 240 00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:30.960 But this thing let us let us know that it 241 00:15:31.039 --> 00:15:35.799 was there and not to I mean again, the sentiment 242 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:37.279 I got was don't come any further. 243 00:15:38.120 --> 00:15:42.799 Wow, what you imitated there reminds me of David before 244 00:15:42.840 --> 00:15:47.039 his coffee after. 245 00:15:50.679 --> 00:15:53.279 No. Could you back us up on? I'm curious what 246 00:15:53.399 --> 00:15:54.600 state is this taking place? 247 00:15:55.080 --> 00:16:01.320 This is in New Mexico, Yeah, yeah, and New Menestaco 248 00:16:01.440 --> 00:16:04.200 is an interesting, you know state because there are there 249 00:16:04.240 --> 00:16:09.039 are you know, mountain ranges like Monkey you know Monkey 250 00:16:09.080 --> 00:16:12.279 Mountain and things like that which are borrowed from you know, 251 00:16:12.320 --> 00:16:14.840 the Indians are Native Americans in that area, and that's 252 00:16:14.879 --> 00:16:18.600 directly because of I believe their experiences and so they're 253 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:24.600 they're naming those areas like that. So this was Los 254 00:16:24.639 --> 00:16:29.200 Alamos and so when that happened, we all kind of said, 255 00:16:29.440 --> 00:16:32.000 all right, we're we're out of our element. We need 256 00:16:32.039 --> 00:16:35.360 to go back. We need to radio this, you know, 257 00:16:35.440 --> 00:16:40.039 b FRO leader, the big guy, So finally radioed him 258 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:42.720 once we kind of got into signal. He said, yeah, 259 00:16:42.759 --> 00:16:46.000 you know, come, we're at the pass or we'll meet 260 00:16:46.039 --> 00:16:48.120 you at that where we kind of split up, but 261 00:16:48.200 --> 00:16:50.120 you can kind of start walking our direction. So we 262 00:16:50.600 --> 00:16:53.440 we finally got to the splitting up point, we kind 263 00:16:53.480 --> 00:16:58.720 of started heading in their direction towards their path. And 264 00:16:58.720 --> 00:17:01.240 and this is a part of the story where I 265 00:17:01.279 --> 00:17:03.320 don't know quite what to make of it, but I'll 266 00:17:03.360 --> 00:17:06.960 share it because I believe some others have had experiences 267 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:13.519 like this. But I saw this grapefruit with a larger 268 00:17:13.599 --> 00:17:18.440 kind of glow around it orb the light that was 269 00:17:19.960 --> 00:17:23.599 in the forest. And at first I said, oh, you know, 270 00:17:23.640 --> 00:17:26.079 I think I see you. You're right there, and he 271 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:28.440 responded back and it's like, there's no way, like you 272 00:17:28.720 --> 00:17:31.039 got to walk a good ten minutes before you're even 273 00:17:31.160 --> 00:17:34.920 like around anywhere where we are, Like that's not us, 274 00:17:35.519 --> 00:17:39.119 and I didn't make it again, didn't make anything of it, okay, 275 00:17:39.160 --> 00:17:44.039 like the mission is to get grouped together. Didn't think 276 00:17:44.079 --> 00:17:47.559 anything of it to kind of fast forward the next 277 00:17:47.640 --> 00:17:50.599 day when I did go back to where we were 278 00:17:50.759 --> 00:17:53.240 and to think about what it was that I saw. 279 00:17:53.359 --> 00:17:55.640 That light was actually in the middle of a tree 280 00:17:55.680 --> 00:18:02.119 line twenty thirty feet above the ground because they kind 281 00:18:02.160 --> 00:18:05.759 of dipped, actually the path dipped and this tree line, 282 00:18:05.799 --> 00:18:08.799 so like that wasn't a person. 283 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:12.519 About how far away? Average? What would you get. 284 00:18:14.920 --> 00:18:19.400 Thirty yards thirty forty yards? I mean fifty fifty Yeah, 285 00:18:19.400 --> 00:18:21.279 I mean it was enough to be like, oh, there 286 00:18:21.279 --> 00:18:24.519 they are. Because I said it out loud. The guys 287 00:18:24.559 --> 00:18:28.880 I was with heeard it like oh where, But so 288 00:18:29.079 --> 00:18:32.000 I see this thing and like I said, it was 289 00:18:32.039 --> 00:18:35.440 this kind of ambush glow which I thought was actually 290 00:18:35.519 --> 00:18:42.440 the red glow of a headlamp, nightlight, the headlamp right, No, 291 00:18:42.599 --> 00:18:48.960 it wasn't them. We met up. Told this person his 292 00:18:49.039 --> 00:18:53.400 name is Bill, told Bill what happened. We walked back. 293 00:18:53.920 --> 00:18:56.480 This is where we got ground that we kept walking 294 00:18:57.519 --> 00:19:02.640 and actually got we reached a meadow, gorgeous meadow. The 295 00:19:02.640 --> 00:19:05.000 moon again was just lighting everything you could see down 296 00:19:05.039 --> 00:19:05.359 it up. 297 00:19:05.440 --> 00:19:05.599 It. 298 00:19:05.599 --> 00:19:08.680 It was just kind of this a little bit of 299 00:19:08.720 --> 00:19:13.079 like an incline or decline if you will. But then 300 00:19:13.279 --> 00:19:18.079 on the other side there's another forest line. Well let's 301 00:19:18.160 --> 00:19:21.200 keep walking. As we're kind of walking through this meadow, 302 00:19:21.240 --> 00:19:24.599 Bill says to me and the rest of us, now, 303 00:19:24.640 --> 00:19:27.880 I'm going to stop you because I just need to 304 00:19:27.880 --> 00:19:30.359 make sure that if anything happens, and if we get 305 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:34.440 bluff charged, to put your head down and just sit 306 00:19:34.519 --> 00:19:37.960 down and don't look at it in the eyes. Like 307 00:19:38.200 --> 00:19:41.720 as if this was an African safari and someone was 308 00:19:41.759 --> 00:19:43.920 telling us, hey, if a silver back guerilla looks at 309 00:19:43.960 --> 00:19:45.720 you in charges, just sit down and don't look at 310 00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:48.799 it in the eyes. It was the same thing. And 311 00:19:49.039 --> 00:19:53.960 at that moment I had to really reflect quickly of 312 00:19:53.960 --> 00:19:56.359 what it is that we're doing here and acknowledge that 313 00:19:56.400 --> 00:19:59.160 if something does happen, Number one, I have to acknowledge 314 00:19:59.160 --> 00:20:03.559 that this thing exist and to not lose my you know, dinner. 315 00:20:04.200 --> 00:20:07.960 And then number two, I have to just sit down calmly. Right, 316 00:20:10.039 --> 00:20:12.680 you just give a verbal yep, sure works for us, 317 00:20:12.839 --> 00:20:14.720 and you keep moving. So that's what we did. We 318 00:20:14.799 --> 00:20:17.319 all kind of gave this verbal you know, acceptance. We 319 00:20:17.400 --> 00:20:21.279 kept going. As we kind of reached again this was 320 00:20:21.359 --> 00:20:27.440 the meadow was maybe only about you know, eighty yards 321 00:20:27.720 --> 00:20:30.039 if that, you know, across, and we were already kind 322 00:20:30.039 --> 00:20:34.559 of there. So this was a very quick acknowledge and continue. 323 00:20:34.960 --> 00:20:38.039 And so then once we finally got to just about 324 00:20:38.039 --> 00:20:41.759 twenty feet from the edge of the next forest line, 325 00:20:42.680 --> 00:20:44.759 Bill kind of whipped out this, you know, wood blocker. 326 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:49.400 Let me try something, and so he hits this wood blocker. Nothing, 327 00:20:50.480 --> 00:20:55.200 I think you did it again. Nothing. Okay, well, let's continue, 328 00:20:55.279 --> 00:20:58.680 let's see what happens. As soon as we got maybe 329 00:20:58.720 --> 00:21:02.680 about ten or again another twenty feet into this forest line, 330 00:21:03.319 --> 00:21:09.559 this is when we actually had a tree get you know, cracked, crunched. 331 00:21:09.960 --> 00:21:12.119 It starts coming down. You hear the leaves hitting other 332 00:21:12.240 --> 00:21:15.160 leaves and twigs and things are popping, and it's just 333 00:21:15.200 --> 00:21:19.960 coming down. And this was maybe I would say fifty 334 00:21:20.039 --> 00:21:24.359 yards from where we were, if that even. What is 335 00:21:24.519 --> 00:21:27.799 very what was very alarming at this point is that 336 00:21:27.920 --> 00:21:30.160 all of a sudden, there was this massive rumble that 337 00:21:30.279 --> 00:21:34.920 started happening. And sure enough, there was mountain cattle that 338 00:21:35.039 --> 00:21:37.839 was in this forest line, about thirty of them that 339 00:21:37.960 --> 00:21:41.079 all had gotten up and just it was a stampede 340 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:44.000 out of that forest line into the meadow and you 341 00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:45.720 could see it and it was just like it was. 342 00:21:45.799 --> 00:21:46.039 It was. 343 00:21:46.720 --> 00:21:48.880 I didn't know what was happening, and I was kind 344 00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:51.079 of say this part of the story where I'll be 345 00:21:51.160 --> 00:21:53.960 vulnerable and share that I reached back for that family 346 00:21:54.000 --> 00:21:56.920 member because I thought this might be it. I wasn't 347 00:21:56.960 --> 00:22:01.279 quite sure what was going to happen. And what was 348 00:22:01.400 --> 00:22:06.559 interesting about that is we were, you know, five guys 349 00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:09.160 with boots and gear and crap and just kind of 350 00:22:09.160 --> 00:22:14.680 walking that none of that spooked this cattle. What spooked 351 00:22:14.680 --> 00:22:17.000 his cattle was the fact that there was this massive 352 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:19.599 you know, not massive, but like there was a good 353 00:22:19.960 --> 00:22:25.480 and we checked it later on five to six inch 354 00:22:25.519 --> 00:22:27.839 in diameter. I mean, that's not nothing intrigue. It kind 355 00:22:27.839 --> 00:22:31.799 of cracked and popped and pushed down. That spooked them. 356 00:22:31.960 --> 00:22:34.480 So once they all kind of ran out down and 357 00:22:34.519 --> 00:22:37.440 they kind of settled down again, one of the guys 358 00:22:37.480 --> 00:22:39.200 did have I think a flour or some type of 359 00:22:39.240 --> 00:22:41.240 a night vision camera, and so he goes, I'm trying 360 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:43.839 to get my camera and he didn't quite know how 361 00:22:43.880 --> 00:22:46.279 to work it, which kills me every time I tell 362 00:22:46.319 --> 00:22:49.279 this story. But it's like give it to somebody, you know, 363 00:22:49.359 --> 00:22:53.400 like what are you doing? And we were just trying 364 00:22:53.400 --> 00:22:55.640 to try to get our bearings and trying to understand 365 00:22:55.640 --> 00:22:57.920 what's happening in the cattle and like where is this thing? 366 00:22:58.200 --> 00:23:01.279 What's going to happen next? And then you just hear 367 00:23:01.720 --> 00:23:07.640 this lumbrous crunch, crunch, crunch as it just kind of 368 00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:11.480 walks further on down and it just kind of disappeared 369 00:23:11.559 --> 00:23:16.319 or dissipated, this this walking noise. And at that point 370 00:23:16.519 --> 00:23:19.039 we were informed that you know, when typically you get 371 00:23:19.039 --> 00:23:23.839 a tree knocked down, game over and you're never a 372 00:23:23.960 --> 00:23:26.000 you're never going to like catch up to this thing 373 00:23:26.079 --> 00:23:28.920 and be the next thing that it could do. Might 374 00:23:29.720 --> 00:23:32.720 it might be it might start to get aggressive, right, 375 00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:35.599 And so it was at that point where we decided 376 00:23:35.920 --> 00:23:39.759 maybe we need to head back, regroup, get all the 377 00:23:39.839 --> 00:23:42.319 data written down and told and said like that, and 378 00:23:42.559 --> 00:23:44.359 maybe we were up for hours after that. I don't 379 00:23:44.359 --> 00:23:47.000 even know if we went to bed, not at least 380 00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:49.920 not until the morning. But like that was the that 381 00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:54.039 was the big I mean talk about a grand finale 382 00:23:54.079 --> 00:23:57.440 at your your second night out ever going big footing. 383 00:23:57.440 --> 00:23:58.759 So that was that was that story. 384 00:23:59.279 --> 00:24:01.319 Oh for sure. Then and that's the first time really 385 00:24:01.359 --> 00:24:02.839 been in the woods. Is that what you said? 386 00:24:03.319 --> 00:24:06.400 Pretty much? David Yees, I mean that in that capacity, 387 00:24:06.759 --> 00:24:10.160 in that capacity, yeah, so I mean I'm not a 388 00:24:10.240 --> 00:24:14.440 hunter at that point. I was not a big camping person. 389 00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:18.240 That's fine. I was just curious because you got a 390 00:24:18.279 --> 00:24:21.319 lot of it, basically your first let's back up to 391 00:24:21.359 --> 00:24:27.319 the light of a second when you've seen that light. Yeah, 392 00:24:28.160 --> 00:24:31.000 I'm I'm trying to make a comparison here what we experienced. 393 00:24:31.680 --> 00:24:34.839 Yeah, because it sounds differently. He mentioned amber colors, so 394 00:24:36.160 --> 00:24:39.240 I got the amber part. I don't know colors really matter. 395 00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:43.599 But as far as the light itself, did it look pure, 396 00:24:44.079 --> 00:24:44.680 did it look. 397 00:24:44.599 --> 00:24:48.960 Like a radiated any like energy. Did it illuminate the 398 00:24:49.000 --> 00:24:52.559 area around it, or project a beam like a flashlight, 399 00:24:52.680 --> 00:24:53.960 or it was just there. 400 00:24:54.240 --> 00:24:59.559 It It was almost as if someone had a turn 401 00:24:59.680 --> 00:25:03.720 there red headlamp on, but they were in like a 402 00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:07.680 tree stand so where you could see a focal point 403 00:25:07.720 --> 00:25:08.400 of it. 404 00:25:08.400 --> 00:25:12.000 It illuminated at one specific spot. It kind of got 405 00:25:13.759 --> 00:25:16.960 any kind of the illumination kind of dissipated after maybe 406 00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:20.680 about this big This was about the size of it, 407 00:25:20.759 --> 00:25:23.880 and then I think about a basketball size was the 408 00:25:23.880 --> 00:25:27.680 glow of it, and that was kind of it. 409 00:25:27.799 --> 00:25:29.759 So it didn't behave like a normal type light. That's 410 00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:30.759 what I'm trying to get at. 411 00:25:32.039 --> 00:25:35.680 Yeah, yeah, it didn't. It didn't flutter or flicker or 412 00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:38.039 oscillate any of that. 413 00:25:38.799 --> 00:25:41.039 Made like a flashlight other than what you presumed it 414 00:25:41.119 --> 00:25:42.759 might have been. And it didn't come across like a 415 00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:46.319 floodlight a flashlight. No, somebody with the light they could 416 00:25:46.440 --> 00:25:48.119 move full moon that night. 417 00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:50.759 Yeah, so therefore. 418 00:25:50.319 --> 00:25:53.039 You still have some ambient light in there, but that 419 00:25:53.119 --> 00:25:55.200 did not interfere with the ambient light at all to 420 00:25:55.200 --> 00:25:57.359 where it had its own lights towards besides it. 421 00:25:58.000 --> 00:26:00.599 Yeah, I mean this is I would the way I 422 00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:02.839 would say it is. Yes, it had its own light source. 423 00:26:03.759 --> 00:26:06.640 This was not like a stream of lights. It wasn't 424 00:26:06.640 --> 00:26:12.240 something that projected. And at that point we were under 425 00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:16.960 enough uh you know, forest cover. The moon was really 426 00:26:17.039 --> 00:26:19.960 kind of it was hard to get through that, and 427 00:26:20.039 --> 00:26:23.799 so this is where it just was very clear. It's 428 00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:26.880 where again I was saying, oh, I see you guys, 429 00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:29.480 you're right there and like. 430 00:26:29.559 --> 00:26:33.240 And that's natural. Yeah, because you knew there were other 431 00:26:33.240 --> 00:26:36.359 people out there. I'm only asking this this because last 432 00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:39.519 may real quick that get a lot of detail for 433 00:26:39.759 --> 00:26:42.440 my first time and Daniels with me and two other people, 434 00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:45.279 we've seen a white peer light in the woods about 435 00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:48.240 maybe eight inches stameter, about forty yards away, about three 436 00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:51.200 or four foot off the ground nighttime, around ten o'clock 437 00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:53.680 at night, and they ended to protecting the light radiing 438 00:26:53.799 --> 00:26:56.839 anty light. It didn't look like it was electrified or 439 00:26:56.839 --> 00:26:59.799 anything like that, just a white round pier of light. 440 00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:02.799 I've seen him about two seconds. I got Daniel's attention 441 00:27:03.319 --> 00:27:05.839 when he's seen it. He looked at about two seconds, 442 00:27:05.839 --> 00:27:08.400 so we've seen it roughly four to five seconds before 443 00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:14.759 it take up no extra heat, no nothing, nothing, animals 444 00:27:14.839 --> 00:27:16.680 or anything was in that area. It didn't leave back 445 00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:18.920 any kind of a heat source. We don't know what 446 00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:19.319 that was. 447 00:27:20.039 --> 00:27:24.680 I mean, yeah, and at that point alone, I don't know. Yeah, 448 00:27:24.880 --> 00:27:26.559 and I appreciate that. You know, I don't know what 449 00:27:26.599 --> 00:27:30.960 it was either. You know, this is where as you 450 00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:36.920 get into the Bigfoot conversations and different viewpoints, it kind 451 00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:39.480 of does perhaps bring some of the you know, getting 452 00:27:39.480 --> 00:27:42.200 another buzzword like the woo, you know. 453 00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:47.000 The rais questions, but we can't pinpoint it racious questions. Yeah, 454 00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:49.400 just like we We had other things happened too, But 455 00:27:50.440 --> 00:27:54.519 we're out looking for Bigfoot, cryptotype, whatever. But the other 456 00:27:54.559 --> 00:27:58.200 things happen when you're looking for that one specific thing. 457 00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:01.160 Now that leads into more questions on what the heck 458 00:28:01.279 --> 00:28:03.640 is going on out here. Yeah, I mean, we had 459 00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:06.519 a lot of things happened besides that, not Bigfoot related, 460 00:28:06.559 --> 00:28:11.400 paranormal related. And it's all primitive. Where we will go camping, 461 00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:15.119 it's all primitive. Take in with you, take out what 462 00:28:15.319 --> 00:28:16.480 you know, take it out when you leave. 463 00:28:16.880 --> 00:28:19.279 What are there some of those experiences that you both 464 00:28:19.279 --> 00:28:20.559 have had if I could ask. 465 00:28:20.920 --> 00:28:23.640 Well, all of us, uh, this past year, for the 466 00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:27.519 first time we've been going there for the last three years. 467 00:28:27.759 --> 00:28:31.680 September two thousand and twenty four, a couple come down 468 00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:36.119 for Pennsylvania real quick, Paul and Cheryl, and I showed 469 00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:37.839 them where they could park at the gate to walk 470 00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:40.200 to the lake just right out of mile walk to 471 00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:42.799 the lake. We were all packing up, getting ready to leave, 472 00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:45.000 but they're gonna finish up the weekend because they got 473 00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:47.680 down there a little lake. So while we were packing up, 474 00:28:47.799 --> 00:28:50.920 they went for the walk. They came back from the 475 00:28:50.960 --> 00:28:53.400 walk a couple hours later, were packed up. We wait 476 00:28:53.480 --> 00:28:55.200 for them to get back so we can watch the trailer. 477 00:28:55.359 --> 00:28:58.519 You know, it's primitive, but you still gotta be wary 478 00:28:58.519 --> 00:29:00.799 of people come around stealing stuff. Just happen out there. 479 00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:03.400 They'll sit up on the ridge line with pinoclars and 480 00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:07.079 look at some of the campsites around, wait for people 481 00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:09.480 to leave, and then they'll go down and hijack the stuff. 482 00:29:09.640 --> 00:29:12.480 It's rare that happens, but just the thing. We always 483 00:29:12.559 --> 00:29:15.319 look after each other stuff. But when they got back, 484 00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:19.759 we stopped to say goodbye to them, and Cheril says, yeah, 485 00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:22.720 I've seen a bear and crazy, Yeah, we're getting out 486 00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:24.599 of the trucks. You've seen a bear up on the 487 00:29:24.680 --> 00:29:28.400 bankman running down the embankment, across the road, down into 488 00:29:28.480 --> 00:29:30.720 the ravine, going down towards the stream Vedess back there. 489 00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:33.119 I mean, we've all know what that area is, just 490 00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:36.079 about maybe thirty to forty yards from the gate. And 491 00:29:36.359 --> 00:29:38.920 I looked at Craig and I says, uh, you know, 492 00:29:38.920 --> 00:29:41.039 I looked at his wife again. I says, when it 493 00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:43.400 ran across the road, was on one legs or two? 494 00:29:43.519 --> 00:29:47.599 She said, two legs, and as fast as it ran, 495 00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:50.880 And the script she gave to me I told her 496 00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:53.319 that does not sound like a bear, because bears don't 497 00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:55.359 run on two legs like that. 498 00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:56.640 They may get up. 499 00:29:56.519 --> 00:29:58.359 On two legs and hobble fort a little bit kind 500 00:29:58.359 --> 00:30:00.440 of fast, but they don't have the bodytructure of the 501 00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:03.839 hip structure to be able to run like a primate, 502 00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:07.039 run like a person, you know what I mean. But 503 00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:10.599 that was that time, then last that was September twenty 504 00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:14.039 twenty four, the last May. We seen that ball of 505 00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:16.200 light in the woods one night, twenty minutes before that, 506 00:30:16.279 --> 00:30:19.200 and another guy with us from Richmond drew before we 507 00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:22.160 seen that light to get his head and back to camp. 508 00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:25.200 He's seen eye shine in the off in the field 509 00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:27.279 where we left him at two, a couple of sets 510 00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:29.799 of eye shine. He couldn't identify what it was. And 511 00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:32.359 the grasses out there anywhere from two to four foot high. 512 00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:34.559 It spread. It's like an open field forre get into 513 00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:35.680 the woodline again because this. 514 00:30:35.599 --> 00:30:36.519 Is a national forest. 515 00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:40.359 Yeah's approaching him, Yeah, that's yeah. 516 00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:44.079 Yeah. That spooked him pretty good, and so much so 517 00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:46.680 he started walking away and it was pacing him a 518 00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:49.200 little bit. He got out of his whistle and started 519 00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:51.119 blowing the whistle, which we didn't know we had we 520 00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:54.960 didn't hear no whistle, and that didn't spook it at all. Well, 521 00:30:55.480 --> 00:30:58.640 he got spooked. He headed back to camp pretty good pace. 522 00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:01.160 Melistened to the back of base camp seeing it's light, 523 00:31:01.279 --> 00:31:08.440 beig bopping about coming back again. Watching. Yeah. Well, Melissa 524 00:31:08.440 --> 00:31:10.720 calls on the radio and gave us a brief thing 525 00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:13.839 that Drew just seeing some eyes shine in the out 526 00:31:13.880 --> 00:31:16.519 of the woods and spook him kind a bit, but a bit. 527 00:31:16.599 --> 00:31:19.559 So we turned around, started heading back to camp and 528 00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:23.440 about two hundred yards where Drew had his encounters where 529 00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:27.240 we see the light and we're still heading back to camp. Uh, 530 00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:31.480 that was the order for you. About four thirty five 531 00:31:31.599 --> 00:31:34.400 or four yards way. Yeah, And it wasn't in the sky, 532 00:31:34.519 --> 00:31:36.519 it wasn'tup in the trees. It was down towards the ground, 533 00:31:36.519 --> 00:31:37.400 almost side level. 534 00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:37.559 Man. 535 00:31:38.599 --> 00:31:41.559 You could tell by your eyes where you're looking at. Okay, 536 00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:43.960 And we did have a full moon. Now there was 537 00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:47.200 a little bit of ambul light in the woodline. Tega, 538 00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:50.240 see shadows here and there and whatnot. But it's pretty dark. 539 00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:53.079 But it didn't it didn't throw a beam of light. 540 00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:55.160 It didn't light us up like a flashlight. It didn't 541 00:31:55.240 --> 00:31:56.960 radiate any ambulight around it. 542 00:31:58.759 --> 00:32:00.880 Yeah, was pretty thick bush. 543 00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:05.200 Yeah yeah, and uh and and and the thing of 544 00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:07.559 it is, Daniels seen it, so I know whether fixed 545 00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:08.799 on my imagination. 546 00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:12.200 Uh, I think Pete. 547 00:32:11.960 --> 00:32:14.720 My wetted briefly. 548 00:32:14.519 --> 00:32:17.359 Yeah, yeah, sort of briefly he was a little further 549 00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:20.160 back behind and looking over in that same area of 550 00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:22.519 I don't know what gout's attention, Uless, you heard me 551 00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:25.680 and Daniel talking. Uh, But anyway, that's when it seemed like. 552 00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:28.160 So we headed back to camp to get Drew's account 553 00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:31.160 of what he experienced and stuff like that. Bear in mind, 554 00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:34.920 this area here is all in the same general area 555 00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:40.359 where Cheryl had her encounter with something running across the road. 556 00:32:41.720 --> 00:32:45.160 We see the light, Drew has his experience in the 557 00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:49.519 woodline and mean then a filled towards the woodline and 558 00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:52.400 all that was in May. And now this past September, 559 00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:55.039 we were out there camping. We didn't see a light. 560 00:32:55.279 --> 00:32:59.200 We started having electrical issues, radio's going dead, batteries going dead. 561 00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:02.079 Coming back to the law had one with his flashlight because 562 00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:06.640 after the weekend by himself my DJAI Action four, I 563 00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:09.480 was letting the listenly use it. I was trying to replicate, 564 00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:14.519 replicate a sound. We don't. This is at all primitive. 565 00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:17.079 We don't have power lines, power sources, is nothing out there. 566 00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:20.440 I mean, this is and out in the woods. And 567 00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:23.440 one night I've been recording with this for several years, 568 00:33:23.480 --> 00:33:29.119 and this one night, me, Daniel, Craig and Drew went 569 00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:31.880 to a campsite that wasn't being occupied, about maybe a 570 00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:33.640 quarter a mile a half a mile from where we 571 00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:36.240 were camping at it. While we were walking down into 572 00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:40.799 where the fire pit was, I picked up this static 573 00:33:41.000 --> 00:33:45.640 on my Action four. You faintly hear it gets a 574 00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:48.079 little louder and louder and louder, then just shuts off 575 00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:51.519 the lasts for about maybe five or six seconds. My 576 00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:53.640 first thought was was it could have been a bug, 577 00:33:53.720 --> 00:33:56.160 But then again I didn't hear anything that night, and 578 00:33:56.200 --> 00:33:58.839 I didn't discover this until the next day when I 579 00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:01.440 was going back and listening to the recordings from the 580 00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:04.839 night before, got them involved in it down the recording 581 00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:06.839 part of it. But then that next night, Melissa is 582 00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:08.119 one to go out on the hike with it, so 583 00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:09.880 I stayed back in base camp, so I was letting 584 00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:12.440 there used by Action four when I got it on 585 00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:16.239 the chest read to go uh. A little while later, 586 00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:18.840 before the guilt was going on the hikes, she came says, 587 00:34:18.840 --> 00:34:22.599 by action, can't action? Can turned on by itself. Now, 588 00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:24.679 it's not an easy button to push in. You just 589 00:34:24.679 --> 00:34:27.760 can't tap and it comes on and it's it's weather proof, 590 00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:34.199 it's got the real hard rubber for what. You got 591 00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:36.079 to press in for about a half a second, I 592 00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:39.320 mean pressing in for it to make contact. I shut 593 00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:41.679 it off. A little while later, I was in the 594 00:34:41.719 --> 00:34:43.800 tent getting ready to I was making some coffee and 595 00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:46.000 Melissa came back in, so it turned on by itself again. 596 00:34:48.039 --> 00:34:50.679 We turned it off, and then she leaves, and then 597 00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:53.400 a few seconds later my MP three player on the 598 00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:56.280 table inside the tent. I see the light come on. 599 00:34:56.400 --> 00:34:59.199 It turned on by itself. I've never had that happen before. 600 00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:02.159 It just don't make any sense now, keeping them up 601 00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:02.960 all this is the. 602 00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:09.199 Same area, and it's what I My take on it, though, 603 00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:12.719 is that I mean personally, I would I don't know 604 00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:15.400 if I. 605 00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:18.440 How much into the correlation and causation side of things 606 00:35:18.440 --> 00:35:21.719 with bigfoot. With we don't know there's lights and we 607 00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:23.320 don't number one, we don't know. 608 00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:26.960 We don't know, and we can't. We can only tell 609 00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:30.559 what we experience, what was happening. People can make their 610 00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:33.559 own conclusions. We're not going to jump down the rabbit 611 00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:37.559 hole and be saying it's Bigfoot related. We don't know, 612 00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:41.480 you know, it could be strictly paranormal for something else. 613 00:35:41.519 --> 00:35:43.880 Now we've grew up with paranormal stuff. We've actually gone 614 00:35:43.880 --> 00:35:48.199 on video and everything ourselves. But we don't know. But 615 00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:52.079 I mean, it's just things are really happening now when 616 00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:54.280 we're camping out. We don't have an explanation for it. 617 00:35:54.679 --> 00:35:56.840 That's how I was wanting the correlation between the light 618 00:35:57.000 --> 00:36:00.360 you've seen, so I can make a comparison it was. 619 00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:02.679 I mean, they're different. You hear stories of lights all 620 00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:05.360 over the place, So that's the first time I want 621 00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:07.760 to emulated something like what we would see. 622 00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:12.639 No projection of light. It was just there forever how long. 623 00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:14.320 I don't know how long was there before we've seen it, 624 00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:17.079 but we only seen it maybe four maybe five seconds 625 00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:19.440 at the max. It could have been there a while longer, 626 00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:20.519 but then again all that. 627 00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:25.079 Yeah, so the one and I'm going to say that 628 00:36:25.119 --> 00:36:27.400 there was and to kind of answer the question here. 629 00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:29.840 I mean to me, a good audio recorder is anything 630 00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:36.599 that's got an X Y capability. Yeah, that's a microphone direction. 631 00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:38.440 Yeah. 632 00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:39.960 Me and David, we both have. 633 00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:42.960 The omni direction. 634 00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:47.599 Yeah, we both have Zoom and the great devices I 635 00:36:47.639 --> 00:36:48.320 have recorded. 636 00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:51.039 Yeah, my chief. 637 00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:55.719 My, yeah, my chief one I've compared to my zoom, 638 00:36:56.079 --> 00:36:58.119 my zoom. I have a two hundred dollars nearly a 639 00:36:58.159 --> 00:37:03.000 two hundred dollars doo, and it's excellent, don't get me wrong, 640 00:37:03.119 --> 00:37:06.199 But I've learned that the charge on it, it don't 641 00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:07.719 last long if you keep recording. 642 00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:10.360 Maybe it's just I need to get better batteries. I 643 00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:12.800 don't know. But my cheap one, which I paid there 644 00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:14.639 just underfer dollars for. 645 00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:17.840 We looked up to a battery pack. That's what I 646 00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:22.280 do with my something like cameras. Yeah, but our chap 647 00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:25.239 recorders last and I don't battery power. Yeah, but the 648 00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:27.599 zooms don't. I guess it's just the way they made, 649 00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:28.920 you know, they. 650 00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:30.840 Use a lot more energy or a lot more juice. 651 00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:32.679 I got to find up to a battery pack when 652 00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:34.679 I set it out for overnight recording. We'll leave our 653 00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:37.760 recorders out early evening till next morning and then go 654 00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:39.239 back and do it all night long. 655 00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:40.480 Yeah. 656 00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:44.280 There. So the one or I mean it or right 657 00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:47.880 a light source. So the one in New Mexico was 658 00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:50.480 more was round. I mean that was like a you know, 659 00:37:51.039 --> 00:37:55.159 I couldn't get him around in a basketball. The the 660 00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:59.800 next one was more and nothing really happened here from 661 00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:03.719 like a bigfoot standpoint of the other. This light that 662 00:38:03.800 --> 00:38:08.280 we had seen, this was in actually the Sam Houston 663 00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:13.719 National Forest in Texas. And this is where this light 664 00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:18.440 source was more oval, I mean almost to the point 665 00:38:18.559 --> 00:38:22.280 like it came from you know, an early nineties Cadillac 666 00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:27.800 tail light, that's how big and bright. And this was 667 00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:32.639 more red. This came on again as soon as you 668 00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:34.599 acknowledged it that it came on, and it was there 669 00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:38.159 and it came off. But this was maybe two or 670 00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:41.079 three hundred or so year like two yards I would say, 671 00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:43.320 like one hundred or sow one hundred and twenty yards away, 672 00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:47.880 but again more of a flat plain area into a 673 00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:51.440 forest line. You see this kind of light that had 674 00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:54.280 definitely a little bit more of a reddish pinkish hue 675 00:38:54.360 --> 00:39:00.400 to it. And we were there and this wasn't supposed 676 00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:03.480 to be the exact the spot that we were supposed 677 00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:08.320 to go to in sam Houston. And I tried looking 678 00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:10.159 this up and I'm gonna mention it just in case 679 00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:12.840 anyone else can, you know, do their investigation into it. 680 00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:17.760 But there was a torn up camp that happened in 681 00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:24.239 sam Houston that was actually investigated by the FBI, which 682 00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:29.320 we couldn't actually go to our to the camp site 683 00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:31.159 that we wanted to. We had to get pushed off 684 00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:34.000 to like Grand Central Station with the toilets there and 685 00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:36.800 the showers and all that stuff. So we actually couldn't 686 00:39:36.840 --> 00:39:41.719 go camping to this one spot. And so I always 687 00:39:41.719 --> 00:39:46.800 thought that that it was a very interesting piece of 688 00:39:46.840 --> 00:39:53.000 information to have been told, just because when there's this 689 00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:55.719 torn up camp. It turned out to be like, well 690 00:39:55.800 --> 00:39:58.199 then then what's the why is this camp torn up? 691 00:39:58.280 --> 00:40:00.519 And we started getting into like the big Foot behavior? 692 00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:03.440 Why would something want to tear up a camp that's 693 00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:06.920 typically not what they do? Was it maybe more of 694 00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:11.360 a drug related, you know, destroyed camp and something happened, 695 00:40:11.360 --> 00:40:14.440 and you know that's why the FBI was there, or 696 00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:18.519 was the FBI there because now there was an actual 697 00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:21.719 big Foot related I mean, this again kind of gets 698 00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:24.480 in more of those kind of conspiracy theory side of stories. 699 00:40:24.519 --> 00:40:29.320 But it was an interesting side story to the fact 700 00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:31.280 that the only thing that happened on that trip was 701 00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:34.519 this more oval elongated reddish light. 702 00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:37.079 So you've seen another light, so you had you you've 703 00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:41.079 had that experience twice. Then pretty neat, pretty I believe so. 704 00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:47.440 And this is actually where multiple people saw it again, 705 00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:51.519 even even the one of the Bigfoot leaders there b 706 00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:55.599 fro leaders. But that we everyone just kind of shrugs 707 00:40:55.639 --> 00:40:57.800 and it's like, well, yep, that's awkward, that's not why 708 00:40:58.039 --> 00:40:59.039 quite what we're looking for. 709 00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:01.599 But like let's get pinpoint what it is where I 710 00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:04.400 come from, what's involved with But there's people that will 711 00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:07.400 be firm and say, no, that's big Poot related. I mean, 712 00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:10.360 that's you don't know that. I mean as far as that, 713 00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:13.480 you know, you got to stand back, rationalize. You can't 714 00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:16.039 explain what you're seeing. You just try to find answers, 715 00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:21.280 answers as to what is it, why did you see it? 716 00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:24.800 And if you can make any kind of discoveries along 717 00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:28.039 the way, just you know, continue researching about you know, 718 00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:30.480 what's happening out there. I mean I find it fascinating. 719 00:41:33.039 --> 00:41:35.599 Yeah, well, there's always that possibility there there could be 720 00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:40.079 a connection. But you know that's why, you know, there's 721 00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:41.199 always apsibility. 722 00:41:42.079 --> 00:41:43.920 All we could just tell people what we see and 723 00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:46.280 what we experience. They can make their own conclusions if 724 00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:48.159 they if they don't believe us, they don't believe us, 725 00:41:48.159 --> 00:41:49.519 they can say what they want. I ain't got no 726 00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:51.480 feelings to hurt, you know, I got nowhere you go 727 00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:54.039 to bruise. I mean, we we all experience, but we 728 00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:56.800 just don't have any answers as to what we experience. 729 00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:01.280 And to that point, David, I think the experiential side 730 00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:05.119 of life is going to be more important as AI 731 00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:09.880 gets more and more robust. You know, I saw something 732 00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:12.119 the other day that was saying that you know pretty 733 00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:14.599 soon and if not now, we can't believe our eyes 734 00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:21.599 and right exactly. So what I would say there is like, 735 00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:26.199 at least in the real world you can go out 736 00:42:26.199 --> 00:42:30.280 and potentially have these experiences and not say it's AI. 737 00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:35.159 You You can't trust your phone anymore on your media 738 00:42:35.239 --> 00:42:40.280 world to say, oh yeah, this is definitive proof, like 739 00:42:40.360 --> 00:42:44.239 I think in one in some ways it's kind of 740 00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:47.480 hurting the ability to capture anything on video anymore because 741 00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:48.840 everyone's just going to think it's AI. 742 00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:49.719 Exactly. 743 00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:52.760 But at the same time it's actually also forcing people, 744 00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:54.400 I think, to get out there in nature, to get 745 00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:57.800 out go camping, talk to people who have had experiences, 746 00:42:57.880 --> 00:43:00.599 if you're interested in experiencing something like that as yourself. 747 00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:04.719 But it's a big kind of if you're an a sayer, 748 00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:08.280 and if you say this is a bogus topic, it's like, well, 749 00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:11.480 and either you just don't want to believe or you're 750 00:43:11.480 --> 00:43:14.440 not interested in it, which is totally fine. But if 751 00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:16.920 you are, you got to get out there. You gotta, 752 00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:20.880 you know, there's you can be that kind of armchair 753 00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:26.400 you know, experts or armchair explorer if you will, And like, 754 00:43:26.440 --> 00:43:28.360 that's totally fine. I do it myself now with a 755 00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:30.119 growing family and things like that. You know, you read 756 00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:35.039 books or whatever. But getting out there is, I think, 757 00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:36.960 is where it's going to push people to have their 758 00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:42.039 own thoughts and experiences. And I think we're regardless of 759 00:43:42.119 --> 00:43:44.559 audio footage unless you just are simply trying to do 760 00:43:44.599 --> 00:43:47.800 it for yourself and never let go of that growl 761 00:43:47.840 --> 00:43:49.320 that you might be able to catch. 762 00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:53.159 People don't get out of the backyard. 763 00:43:53.480 --> 00:43:57.880 Yeah, however, is a good there is a good opportunity 764 00:43:57.920 --> 00:44:00.480 depending upon where you live. If you look at your backyard, 765 00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:02.960 you could see one diving in, you know, dumpster diving 766 00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:03.360 for food. 767 00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:17.360 That is true. Most people here, you're gonna have your 768 00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:20.079 name stairs, and it's to say, the vast majority of 769 00:44:20.079 --> 00:44:23.360 your they don't whether it's Bigfoot, any kind of crypt 770 00:44:23.599 --> 00:44:26.800 or even just parent normal in general. They don't want 771 00:44:26.840 --> 00:44:28.360 to be taken that. They don't want to be taken 772 00:44:28.400 --> 00:44:31.360 out out of their normal right then what their lives 773 00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:33.280 the way it is. They don't want to have to 774 00:44:33.320 --> 00:44:35.880 think about something else that's going to be. 775 00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:38.840 And that's you know, I have to say that. You know, 776 00:44:38.920 --> 00:44:42.079 there's there are times and I'll get to another story 777 00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:46.639 later on, but of a baby that I have on 778 00:44:46.760 --> 00:44:49.719 audio recording, which I believe is a baby Bigfoot in 779 00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:54.960 a tree blowing raspberries or bubbles. But as far as 780 00:44:55.039 --> 00:44:59.480 like the the psyche and things like that and the experience, 781 00:44:59.519 --> 00:45:02.239 it's like they're there are times where I do question myself, 782 00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:04.519 you know, if you do capture something or see something, 783 00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:09.639 how is that going to mess with you long term? 784 00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:13.920 Because you know you definitely there are definitely those stories 785 00:45:14.119 --> 00:45:16.960 and experiences that people have had very very very very 786 00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:22.800 very close encounters with these creatures and it messes them 787 00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:24.920 up and to the point where like some of them 788 00:45:24.920 --> 00:45:27.119 need therapy never they don't ever want to go in 789 00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:33.800 the woods again. You know, I hope that that's if 790 00:45:33.800 --> 00:45:37.320 I do ever get to see one, I hope that 791 00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:41.880 that's not the reaction that I have. But then again, 792 00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:45.559 it's just knowing that they're there. And if as long 793 00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:47.000 as you kind of know that they're there and that 794 00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:49.480 it might happen, I think perhaps that could help you. 795 00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:56.719 I think from me personally, I've seen stories of people 796 00:45:56.719 --> 00:45:59.039 tell the stories where they get PSD and stuff from it. 797 00:45:59.199 --> 00:46:02.000 Yeah, my train of thought is. 798 00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:07.239 I think a lot of them it was early on 799 00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:11.760 in what they were doing at the beginning, and it 800 00:46:11.840 --> 00:46:15.280 happened so quickly, or they was called off guard, not 801 00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:18.599 expecting to even come across that, not even researching it, 802 00:46:18.679 --> 00:46:21.840 and said it in that PSD like hundreds of you know, 803 00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:23.880 they never thought about it all their life, and one 804 00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:25.199 day they see it, they don't go back in the 805 00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:27.679 woods hunting again. But I think the more time you 806 00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:32.320 spending the woods and doing your research psychologically, you're going 807 00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:33.039 to be more. 808 00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:33.800 Prepared for that. 809 00:46:34.039 --> 00:46:36.840 So differently and her being in the military, you trained 810 00:46:36.920 --> 00:46:40.039 for that it's like training and then when you encounter 811 00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:43.880 something that's could be deadly dangerous or whatever the case 812 00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:47.639 may be, you're psychologically prepared for that to accept it 813 00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:49.559 and rationalize you know what you're going to be doing. 814 00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:50.880 That's my viewpoint. 815 00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:54.719 Yeah, well, in all the points when we were novice 816 00:46:54.760 --> 00:46:56.679 going out there in our first expedition, and you know 817 00:46:56.800 --> 00:46:59.639 that we were not prepared mentally because we didn't know 818 00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:03.480 what this really was. We didn't think anything of I 819 00:47:03.639 --> 00:47:05.719 would have bet money on the fact that I would 820 00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:09.119 have not had an experience. Right here we are getting 821 00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:13.920 a treat push down. The other one out in Mount Hood, Oregon, 822 00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:20.320 where we were out with another different investigating group. I 823 00:47:20.360 --> 00:47:24.840 was actually with Cliff Barrickman at that time and he 824 00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:29.239 was kind of doing some expeditions there and so got 825 00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:32.599 to work with him a bit as well and got 826 00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:38.880 pretty close. But there was there was a I want 827 00:47:38.920 --> 00:47:40.920 to say that was the time where we were also 828 00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:45.639 with Tom Powell. I think he was with us. And 829 00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:49.719 for those who don't know, Tom Powell a great, great 830 00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:52.639 bigfoot researcher. He has a few books out there. 831 00:47:54.159 --> 00:47:58.199 Friend, yeah, my friend Nikki Cologne from Texas. Actually, if 832 00:47:58.239 --> 00:48:01.079 I'm not misaken. I think he was part of her 833 00:48:01.119 --> 00:48:04.400 group that met up out there in Oregon and Washington. 834 00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:07.880 They did uh oh wa Washington. Uh they did an 835 00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:09.320 exhibition camp out up there. 836 00:48:09.880 --> 00:48:13.800 Yeah. Yeah, yeah, he's out that way, you know. 837 00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:14.280 And it was. 838 00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:19.119 That That first night was also interesting because this is 839 00:48:19.159 --> 00:48:24.719 where we were again maybe fifteen twenty people. We saw 840 00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:27.679 this ball in the sky making its rounds, I mean, 841 00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:31.239 and it was it was low, it wasn't a satellite. 842 00:48:31.599 --> 00:48:33.400 It was too high to be a plane, too low 843 00:48:33.440 --> 00:48:35.559 to be a satellite, just kind of making its rounds, 844 00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:37.599 and like we're all just kind of admiring it and 845 00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:42.679 looking at it. There's you know, we had a whitish 846 00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:46.559 color to it, but we again, not what we were 847 00:48:46.599 --> 00:48:49.960 looking for. But that was the first night. But then 848 00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:53.599 the second night we actually went down this path and 849 00:48:55.599 --> 00:48:58.159 this was when we were we were ready, at least 850 00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:03.199 I was ready as far as audio night vision. And 851 00:49:03.280 --> 00:49:06.639 so what they don't tell you about the downfalls of 852 00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:11.440 night vision is that it's all good and it's all 853 00:49:11.440 --> 00:49:14.079 great when you can see through it. As soon as 854 00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:17.159 you take that down from your eye, you are blind. 855 00:49:17.599 --> 00:49:22.679 You could have that on the lowest setting, on the 856 00:49:22.719 --> 00:49:25.320 lowest brightness and you take that down from your eye, 857 00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:32.559 you are done. So yeah, it takes a couple of minutes. 858 00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:38.360 It's kind of a double edged sword there. So I 859 00:49:38.400 --> 00:49:40.679 was holding on again. Brought a family member and you know, 860 00:49:41.679 --> 00:49:44.880 I literally was holding onto them to like guide me 861 00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:47.880 down this path because I was just hell bent on 862 00:49:48.559 --> 00:49:50.199 keeping this up on my eye. I didn't want to 863 00:49:50.199 --> 00:49:53.800 miss a thing. We go all the way down and 864 00:49:53.880 --> 00:49:56.280 kind of once we circled back and said, okay, you 865 00:49:56.320 --> 00:49:58.000 know this is we've been walking for about an hour 866 00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:00.119 and a half. Now we're gonna go back this way. 867 00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:05.360 What was again very interesting is there was very little 868 00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:07.920 wind to no wind, but there was a bit of 869 00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:14.800 moon right, and I felt lucky. And as we're kind 870 00:50:14.800 --> 00:50:17.239 of walking back to meet up with a larger group 871 00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:20.880 and at this point it was just myself, Cliff, family member, 872 00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:27.519 a woman her name, her name is Barbara, and another 873 00:50:27.719 --> 00:50:31.480 fella one of my friends I think, and so we 874 00:50:31.480 --> 00:50:36.039 were all together and noticed the similarities though we were 875 00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:39.480 five group in New Mexico split off three and two 876 00:50:39.800 --> 00:50:43.480 and then this group again we're a five. And so 877 00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:49.519 once we kind of walked back, we hear this one, uh, well, 878 00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:51.800 one of my buddy. He actually did a tree knock, 879 00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:55.800 just like Bill did a wood knock and nothing happened. Well, 880 00:50:55.800 --> 00:50:58.360 he did a tree knock and nothing happened, and then 881 00:50:58.400 --> 00:51:01.280 we might have walked another twenty and then you hear 882 00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:06.519 this tree ay ey, and it just kind of starts swaying, 883 00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:11.119 and we all looked up and we kind of backed up, 884 00:51:11.159 --> 00:51:14.119 and family members trying to kind of look up there 885 00:51:14.119 --> 00:51:18.559 and see if he could get a see heat signature, 886 00:51:18.599 --> 00:51:21.920 of which he kind of did. But for those who 887 00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:25.519 might not know, trees carry heat, so it's all kind 888 00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:29.599 of blobby, but yet something is standing out more than 889 00:51:29.679 --> 00:51:35.039 the blobbiness. And of course I've got my recording going 890 00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:39.599 and sure enough, and I actually if you go to 891 00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:42.280 my Instagram Pine Shadow Design, you can kind of flip 892 00:51:42.320 --> 00:51:44.000 through some of my posts and I actually have it 893 00:51:44.039 --> 00:51:55.239 on there, and you hear this very kind of this 894 00:51:56.159 --> 00:51:58.880 what I would consider and what I'm calling this baby 895 00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:03.760 stand squatch blowing raspberries or bubbles up in this tree. 896 00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:08.159 And I even said, do you hear that? And I 897 00:52:08.199 --> 00:52:10.079 think you might even hear a cliff on recording and go, 898 00:52:10.519 --> 00:52:12.840 you know, what is it? I was like, it's blowing 899 00:52:12.920 --> 00:52:17.000 bubbles and it does it again, and it did this twice, 900 00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:18.960 so it wasn't a whole lot, and you really have 901 00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:20.719 to listen to kind of hear it, and of course 902 00:52:20.760 --> 00:52:23.880 I didn't. I don't have all the high end audio 903 00:52:23.960 --> 00:52:27.760 cleaning equipment, so you really got to listen. But it's there. 904 00:52:27.800 --> 00:52:30.559 I think it's there, and actually showing a diagram how 905 00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:33.000 it was there, and so you kind of hear initially 906 00:52:33.239 --> 00:52:39.599 the wave form, if you will. So that was kind 907 00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:43.719 of an up and down and then a down. And 908 00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:48.119 so this to me, we all kind of huddled somewhat 909 00:52:48.159 --> 00:52:53.480 around this tree. But one part of the story that 910 00:52:53.480 --> 00:52:55.239 I had forgotten in my apologies, so I'm going to 911 00:52:55.280 --> 00:52:57.880 take this out of sequence. But as we were walking 912 00:52:58.360 --> 00:53:04.800 down initial trail, there was this loudest what Cliff was 913 00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:07.159 saying was a bard owl and he knows more than 914 00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:12.000 I in the forest, but this was the loudest R 915 00:53:12.079 --> 00:53:18.440 two D two whistley sounding alarm missile type of thing happening, 916 00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:24.400 like just this weird thing, and I was like, and 917 00:53:24.400 --> 00:53:26.440 it was also like a hoot. I can't do it 918 00:53:26.440 --> 00:53:30.119 because I'm not whatever this thing was. But I almost 919 00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:32.760 sent me David to kind of your point on like 920 00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:35.400 PTSD It almost sent me like a shock and like 921 00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:39.320 a bit of like a anxiety attack, because I was like, 922 00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:41.599 oh my gosh. And the initial feeling that I got 923 00:53:41.800 --> 00:53:46.559 was we're in the baby's den, like we are, we are, 924 00:53:48.639 --> 00:53:52.719 that's the alarm to like mom and dad come back 925 00:53:53.000 --> 00:53:55.440 or baby run up the tree, like, but we we've 926 00:53:55.519 --> 00:53:59.000 hit this alarm. So I forgot to say that. And 927 00:53:59.079 --> 00:54:01.599 so as we were coming back and then to have 928 00:54:01.639 --> 00:54:04.559 this kind of baby thing happening, I was like, Oh, 929 00:54:04.599 --> 00:54:07.400 this is all making sense, you know, like this this 930 00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:09.679 was the nursery, is what I was also calling it, 931 00:54:09.760 --> 00:54:11.920 like that's the nursery, like we're in it. And so 932 00:54:12.159 --> 00:54:15.000 as everyone else is kind of looking up the tree, 933 00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:18.119 I'm trying to scope around to make sure that we're 934 00:54:18.159 --> 00:54:20.519 not about we're not about to get clobbered by mom 935 00:54:20.599 --> 00:54:24.719 or dad or big brother or sister or something. And 936 00:54:26.039 --> 00:54:28.480 we kind of walked away. We left Barbara sitting with 937 00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:32.719 the tree, this infant as what I'll call it. You know, 938 00:54:32.840 --> 00:54:36.239 she sure enough she had like baby toys with her, 939 00:54:36.360 --> 00:54:38.760 So that just was so serendipitous that she actually had 940 00:54:38.840 --> 00:54:42.920 like a little rattle, like little jingly things and she 941 00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:46.119 was saying things very sweetly in a very like motherly 942 00:54:46.159 --> 00:54:50.159 loving tone. Are you okay? How are you? What's your name? 943 00:54:50.360 --> 00:54:50.440 Like? 944 00:54:50.480 --> 00:54:54.599 Are you there? Do you want to say hi? And 945 00:54:55.440 --> 00:54:57.440 I was just kind of I won't bury the lead here. 946 00:54:57.519 --> 00:55:01.239 Nothing really happened after that, but it was one of 947 00:55:01.239 --> 00:55:06.000 those things where there was definitely something in a tree 948 00:55:06.360 --> 00:55:11.000 making it sway there was no wind, and I even 949 00:55:11.000 --> 00:55:13.280 had to go back and see, like what are things 950 00:55:13.320 --> 00:55:19.039 that could make a bubble blowing sound? It's really only primates, 951 00:55:19.239 --> 00:55:25.039 my chimps, humans or maybe a horse, and like, it 952 00:55:25.039 --> 00:55:27.400 ain't a horse up in the tree, so unless it's 953 00:55:27.400 --> 00:55:30.000 a primate or it's a big foot. So that's kind 954 00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:34.840 of where I feel as if I've got that recording 955 00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:37.119 of that big baby big foot blowing bubbles in the tree. 956 00:55:37.559 --> 00:55:40.719 Okay, it's just for clarification for those watching. And what 957 00:55:41.079 --> 00:55:44.079 you say sounds like it's blowing bubbles. You said like 958 00:55:44.119 --> 00:55:45.000 it was like. 959 00:55:44.960 --> 00:55:51.239 A language like babies kind of make their blow raspberries, 960 00:55:51.280 --> 00:55:56.320 and yeah, yeah, because some people visualized blowing bubbles, you know. 961 00:55:56.360 --> 00:55:57.239 That's why I just want. 962 00:55:57.159 --> 00:56:02.960 To clear and that's and that's what I like blowing 963 00:56:03.400 --> 00:56:07.000 sugar lips, yea, the. 964 00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:08.639 Way it could be like a language too, I guess. 965 00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:14.159 I mean, you never know, communic a parent maybe somewhere nearby. 966 00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:20.960 I mean, I don't know, but that those are the 967 00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:25.760 after that, I did some expeditions in in Iowa in 968 00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:31.880 Wisconsin with Doug Hijack, and it's just nothing ever really 969 00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:37.559 amounted to those two experiences. But I've got a long 970 00:56:37.639 --> 00:56:42.679 big footing life career ahead of me, and so but 971 00:56:43.400 --> 00:56:46.679 other and then from that, this is where I got 972 00:56:46.719 --> 00:56:51.880 really into, you know, the book side of things. I 973 00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:56.400 wrote a children's book, started doing more book collecting because 974 00:56:56.440 --> 00:56:58.280 that's at this point again trying to raise a family. 975 00:56:58.320 --> 00:57:00.639 It's that's about all I got time for is reading 976 00:57:00.639 --> 00:57:04.639 a book at night. Oh yeah, thank you, sir. So 977 00:57:04.679 --> 00:57:10.880 this is Billy Finds Bigfoot. This is really an homage 978 00:57:11.079 --> 00:57:14.159 and a very if I can dive into this, if 979 00:57:14.199 --> 00:57:19.239 you don't mind, I know, but yeah, absolutely, this all 980 00:57:19.280 --> 00:57:21.519 again kind of started with Harry and the Henderson So 981 00:57:21.559 --> 00:57:29.000 you're gonna have that heartfelt kind of it's a romance, 982 00:57:29.079 --> 00:57:33.199 if you will, with a Bigfoot story in the sense 983 00:57:33.280 --> 00:57:37.880 that there's this boy, Billy, he he loves nature and 984 00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:42.079 there's a lot of life lessons that I try to 985 00:57:42.119 --> 00:57:44.800 share here. And some of which are even perhaps a 986 00:57:44.840 --> 00:57:49.440 little bit challenging for even adults to learn, like never, 987 00:57:49.679 --> 00:57:54.760 you know, as an example, taking taking for granted what 988 00:57:54.840 --> 00:57:56.760 you have in front of you, you know, in the 989 00:57:56.800 --> 00:58:01.599 relationships that adults have. I think that's a very hard 990 00:58:01.679 --> 00:58:05.000 lesson for us to kind of have. And so I'm 991 00:58:05.000 --> 00:58:07.599 trying to kind of teach that through here because Billy's 992 00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:11.519 on a mission to find this white fox until he 993 00:58:11.639 --> 00:58:14.679 realizes that there's this Bigfoot, and he's trying to tell 994 00:58:14.719 --> 00:58:16.800 Bigfoot that he's trying to trying to find this white fox. 995 00:58:16.840 --> 00:58:19.199 And I'm sorry if I'm giving spoiler alerts, you know, 996 00:58:19.239 --> 00:58:25.079 but ultimately when he comes home, his mom and dad 997 00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:26.840 talk him into bed and say, well, you know, we 998 00:58:26.960 --> 00:58:29.599 know that you're trying to find this very rare white fox, 999 00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:32.599 but in fact, there's this even more rare creature out 1000 00:58:32.599 --> 00:58:36.079 there named Bigfoot. And then Billy realizes that, oh my gosh, 1001 00:58:36.079 --> 00:58:38.760 I just like I didn't know. I didn't know that 1002 00:58:38.800 --> 00:58:40.360 there was this Bigfoot, that I was talking to Bigfoot, 1003 00:58:40.400 --> 00:58:41.880 that it was helping me see all the things in 1004 00:58:41.920 --> 00:58:45.800 the forest, and it's it's a great read. So if 1005 00:58:46.039 --> 00:58:49.119 anyone has little's or children in their life. It's a 1006 00:58:49.159 --> 00:58:53.000 great quick read, great, great for bedtime stories. 1007 00:58:53.400 --> 00:58:56.199 Cool And I'll throw this out there for those who 1008 00:58:56.199 --> 00:58:59.960 will watch it and listening right now right through YouTube 1009 00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:03.039 if you're interested in this book, if you go into 1010 00:59:03.079 --> 00:59:07.000 the description of this live feed or later or anytime 1011 00:59:07.039 --> 00:59:09.840 you're watching this, there's a link to the book in 1012 00:59:09.880 --> 00:59:16.000 the description right now, So check that out. Absolutely absolutely 1013 00:59:16.360 --> 00:59:19.079 so you know later on if you continue on with 1014 00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:21.559 the research and continue going on some of these you know, 1015 00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:25.000 campouts or expeditions, you might have to write a new 1016 00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:27.360 book eventually, where keV. 1017 00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:29.960 Yeah, yeah, that's true. 1018 00:59:31.840 --> 00:59:32.199 I do. 1019 00:59:32.320 --> 00:59:35.239 I do have this kind of I am on the 1020 00:59:35.239 --> 00:59:38.000 start of a second book. So if there's any agent 1021 00:59:38.199 --> 00:59:41.280 or publishers out there, that's called is it Real or not? 1022 00:59:42.000 --> 00:59:44.840 About two boys who are in the Pacific Northwest who 1023 00:59:44.920 --> 00:59:50.000 do happen to come across this and they see it there, 1024 00:59:50.039 --> 00:59:54.039 but then they're they're given a figure which like a 1025 00:59:54.079 --> 00:59:58.079 stick figure, which I think is very interesting in the 1026 00:59:58.119 --> 01:00:00.440 big Foot culture. If anyone hears any stories about that 1027 01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:04.360 and the gift giving that also has a bunch of mystery, 1028 01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:09.199 and so if anyone's interested, please reach out. But yeah, 1029 01:00:09.239 --> 01:00:11.920 that's it. Definitely a lot more. 1030 01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:15.000 Now that book there is that the one that's published 1031 01:00:15.039 --> 01:00:17.119 with Hangar Publishing. 1032 01:00:17.239 --> 01:00:21.320 With Publishing, uh so that's my children's book. They are 1033 01:00:21.400 --> 01:00:24.599 moving from what I'm told or is, away from more 1034 01:00:24.599 --> 01:00:26.920 of the fiction side of things, which is great. I 1035 01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:30.519 think we need a lot more non fiction material out 1036 01:00:30.519 --> 01:00:35.039 there and people's experiences and the stories. So that's where 1037 01:00:35.079 --> 01:00:37.280 I was like, well, I still gotta write my fiction. 1038 01:00:37.800 --> 01:00:42.519 SOFS interesting, Okay, yeah, because I I know you've been 1039 01:00:42.519 --> 01:00:45.519 connected and you've been on You've been on Doug Hicheck's 1040 01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:49.880 podcast as well, which is pretty cool. So yeah, I 1041 01:00:50.000 --> 01:00:52.079 never got to speak to him mat. I mean, he 1042 01:00:52.159 --> 01:00:54.880 seems like a pretty pretty cool guy. I mean he 1043 01:00:54.920 --> 01:00:59.000 produces Moths Request, you know, and New Season, so you know, 1044 01:00:59.079 --> 01:01:00.000 he's pretty cool. 1045 01:01:00.119 --> 01:01:02.360 I was able to go out with him in Wisconsin 1046 01:01:02.440 --> 01:01:06.719 here a buddy of my Levi Makovich, which I always 1047 01:01:06.760 --> 01:01:08.599 kind of have to give him a quick plug. So 1048 01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:12.360 he actually has a book called The Sasquatch Paradox, and 1049 01:01:12.400 --> 01:01:16.239 this actually really delves into the complexities surrounding the existence 1050 01:01:16.280 --> 01:01:20.440 of sasquatch, exploring both like the scientific and the philosophical 1051 01:01:20.480 --> 01:01:25.679 implications of the belief in in this creature and it's 1052 01:01:25.719 --> 01:01:29.480 it's written kind of like a college thesis, So he 1053 01:01:29.639 --> 01:01:34.360 really puts it out there that like, it's not a 1054 01:01:34.400 --> 01:01:36.559 suit and here's why, it's got to be a creature, 1055 01:01:36.559 --> 01:01:38.360 and here's why it's got to be his bigfoot and 1056 01:01:38.400 --> 01:01:43.559 here's why. So he's just plugging him. But yeah, met 1057 01:01:43.719 --> 01:01:47.840 Dog did a kind of had you know, a night 1058 01:01:48.480 --> 01:01:53.119 big footing with him in Wisconsin. And you know, Levi 1059 01:01:53.599 --> 01:01:55.159 has stories and I'll just kind of share some of 1060 01:01:55.199 --> 01:01:57.199 his where you know, he would have acorns thrown at 1061 01:01:57.280 --> 01:02:02.320 him here in Wisconsin as far as his big foot 1062 01:02:03.159 --> 01:02:06.079 experiences have kind of gone, and I was hoping to 1063 01:02:06.159 --> 01:02:12.079 have that and this was maybe about two three or 1064 01:02:12.119 --> 01:02:17.119 so years ago, but nothing like that happened to me yet. 1065 01:02:17.280 --> 01:02:20.360 I know that Java Chochin also finding Jay's in this 1066 01:02:20.760 --> 01:02:26.360 kind of our area as well a couple of months back, 1067 01:02:27.280 --> 01:02:32.440 and you know, very interesting stories that he says about 1068 01:02:32.440 --> 01:02:34.519 how you know nature is alive and if you talk 1069 01:02:34.559 --> 01:02:37.199 to us, to talk to nature talk for us, it'll 1070 01:02:37.280 --> 01:02:41.440 kind of open itself up type of sentiment. And it's 1071 01:02:41.480 --> 01:02:43.119 all true. I mean, I kind of get back to 1072 01:02:43.159 --> 01:02:47.760 this getting out in the woods, having your own experiences, 1073 01:02:48.039 --> 01:02:50.840 meeting people like yourselves, you know, go with a group, 1074 01:02:50.920 --> 01:02:53.840 go through your best friend, whomever you feel safe with, 1075 01:02:54.840 --> 01:03:00.639 and you know it's it's it's important to get back 1076 01:03:00.679 --> 01:03:04.360 to roots and get back to nature as much as 1077 01:03:04.400 --> 01:03:06.679 we're on a podcast, but like it's it's also good 1078 01:03:06.719 --> 01:03:10.599 to put the cell phones down and put all the 1079 01:03:10.679 --> 01:03:13.840 social networks away to just to hear what the what 1080 01:03:13.880 --> 01:03:16.199 the forest has to say. I think it's so important 1081 01:03:16.199 --> 01:03:17.280 for us as humans. 1082 01:03:17.760 --> 01:03:21.679 Daytime and nighttime it's two different worlds, and and then 1083 01:03:21.719 --> 01:03:25.039 that transition from day to night and that darkness slowly 1084 01:03:25.079 --> 01:03:25.559 comes over. 1085 01:03:26.320 --> 01:03:26.920 I love it. 1086 01:03:27.159 --> 01:03:31.079 I love it, yeah, because for at a point, you know, 1087 01:03:31.119 --> 01:03:33.639 the forest is alive during the day, but then during 1088 01:03:33.679 --> 01:03:38.400 the transition it gets quiet, and then it gets loud 1089 01:03:38.440 --> 01:03:40.320 again because then the nighttime. 1090 01:03:39.880 --> 01:03:43.000 Animals are coming out. That's right, and it's really neat. 1091 01:03:44.679 --> 01:03:46.400 But for those who do go out there, if think 1092 01:03:46.400 --> 01:03:49.719 you start off like he says, go people that you 1093 01:03:49.760 --> 01:03:52.280 know you're gonna be safe around, but research where you're going, 1094 01:03:52.840 --> 01:03:58.320 be safe, take baby steps. You don't want to get 1095 01:03:58.320 --> 01:04:01.440 out there and get lost, get hurt. And then especially 1096 01:04:01.440 --> 01:04:03.000 if you go in primitive areas where you don't have 1097 01:04:03.039 --> 01:04:05.400 silk service, let people know where you're going when you're 1098 01:04:05.400 --> 01:04:07.920 gonna come back with if you don't show up, they 1099 01:04:07.960 --> 01:04:09.039 know to start come looking. 1100 01:04:09.239 --> 01:04:12.360 As far as I add, we have fun, enjoy it. 1101 01:04:12.639 --> 01:04:15.519 Just think safety about it, because you don't be more 1102 01:04:15.639 --> 01:04:18.480 somebody's missing people. I don't know if you're familiar with 1103 01:04:18.559 --> 01:04:19.320 four one. 1104 01:04:19.599 --> 01:04:21.280 I was going to bring that up, David, Yeah, that's 1105 01:04:21.320 --> 01:04:22.639 I was like, that's exactly. 1106 01:04:22.320 --> 01:04:25.639 Remember one when yeah, you don't want one Netflix scenario. 1107 01:04:25.880 --> 01:04:32.480 Yeah, you know, and they really portray that movie to 1108 01:04:32.760 --> 01:04:38.960 make it seem like something is taking someone, you know, 1109 01:04:39.039 --> 01:04:43.000 and it's kind of alien. It's kind of Bigfoot again. 1110 01:04:43.159 --> 01:04:47.480 I for my peace of mind and for my sanity, 1111 01:04:47.519 --> 01:04:49.880 I suppose I would just hope that bigfoots more of 1112 01:04:49.880 --> 01:04:54.119 that flesh and blood creature, this bipedal you know ape 1113 01:04:54.119 --> 01:04:58.280 if you will, North American bipedal ape. I hope it's 1114 01:04:58.360 --> 01:05:04.400 not this alien shape shifter you know, tunnel or uh 1115 01:05:04.480 --> 01:05:07.119 you never know, the old jumper like it just that's 1116 01:05:07.119 --> 01:05:10.760 it would blow my mind, right, and it's scary. It's 1117 01:05:10.760 --> 01:05:13.800 a scary thought and like it. And this is where 1118 01:05:13.840 --> 01:05:16.000 when you're kind of raising this, you know, raising a 1119 01:05:16.039 --> 01:05:19.000 family like I am, like they rely on me. I 1120 01:05:19.039 --> 01:05:20.639 got to come home. I got to come back hole 1121 01:05:21.119 --> 01:05:24.039 like in mind and in body like all others. 1122 01:05:24.079 --> 01:05:28.079 Right, But again, we don't know what's going on out there. 1123 01:05:28.119 --> 01:05:31.920 I mean people spend their entire lives in the woods 1124 01:05:32.559 --> 01:05:36.119 certain areas hunt to come up with miss you know, or 1125 01:05:36.159 --> 01:05:38.599 they find differently to not find the weapon, the body, 1126 01:05:38.679 --> 01:05:42.480 the clothing are going I mean there. 1127 01:05:43.360 --> 01:05:46.679 We as a we as a society don't know what's 1128 01:05:46.719 --> 01:05:49.320 going on, or individually we might not know what's going on. 1129 01:05:49.639 --> 01:05:52.800 Or would you say that maybe the government or or 1130 01:05:52.840 --> 01:05:55.039 a higher entity of not. 1131 01:05:55.880 --> 01:06:00.480 Honestly based on reports, what you see, what you read, 1132 01:06:00.639 --> 01:06:04.159 what you hear, I don't think society as a whole 1133 01:06:04.239 --> 01:06:07.719 knows what's going on. Uh, it could be maybe the 1134 01:06:07.760 --> 01:06:10.239 government knows more than what they're telling. 1135 01:06:10.679 --> 01:06:11.920 I mean you were both in the military. 1136 01:06:12.239 --> 01:06:15.960 Know we don't know. But it's it happens. People come 1137 01:06:16.039 --> 01:06:20.000 up missing, it's never seen from again, and or they 1138 01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:23.760 come up missing, the show up days or weeks later. 1139 01:06:24.159 --> 01:06:28.119 Yeah, and to them and when I was going to 1140 01:06:28.199 --> 01:06:35.800 ask about that, and to them it's like they wasn't gone. Well. Yes, 1141 01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:37.880 And then there's some cases where like their clothes are 1142 01:06:38.159 --> 01:06:40.719 miles away and then they're found naked, just wandering in 1143 01:06:40.760 --> 01:06:43.360 the woods. I mean, and if. 1144 01:06:45.760 --> 01:06:47.559 Yeah, we don't know how, there could be many different 1145 01:06:47.559 --> 01:06:51.679 avenues that could take I just I don't want to 1146 01:06:51.679 --> 01:06:53.559 be part of it. Let's not stop from going in 1147 01:06:53.559 --> 01:06:57.719 the woods. I mean, if it don't come back, then by. 1148 01:06:57.719 --> 01:07:05.119 Yon, then Melissa, Well, if we're out in the woods 1149 01:07:05.159 --> 01:07:07.880 and I come across David with no clothes on, I'm 1150 01:07:07.880 --> 01:07:10.119 getting on the radio, but let's come dress your husband. 1151 01:07:11.199 --> 01:07:12.559 That would now happen that one. 1152 01:07:14.679 --> 01:07:15.480 Not on purpose? 1153 01:07:16.920 --> 01:07:21.880 Yeah, well there are there are. 1154 01:07:21.920 --> 01:07:24.119 When I was asking about the military background is because 1155 01:07:24.159 --> 01:07:29.440 there are plenty of stories with military personnel having experiences 1156 01:07:29.519 --> 01:07:32.320 and even with the I mean stories with the Mount 1157 01:07:32.360 --> 01:07:36.960 Hood eruption or excuse me, Mount Saint Helen's eruption, and 1158 01:07:37.320 --> 01:07:40.840 you know, military being in there and actually removing big 1159 01:07:40.920 --> 01:07:45.639 foot bodies from that area. From being a military background, 1160 01:07:45.679 --> 01:07:46.800 and this is actually the first time we get to 1161 01:07:46.800 --> 01:07:51.280 ask a military background person like do you do believe 1162 01:07:51.360 --> 01:07:52.880 partake what's your. 1163 01:07:54.639 --> 01:07:58.199 I was a part of that aspect of it. Those 1164 01:07:58.280 --> 01:08:03.880 that are are usually uh, the special ops type, we 1165 01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:05.239 get involved with stuff like that. 1166 01:08:06.519 --> 01:08:09.519 I do know that uh uh, there's been. 1167 01:08:09.840 --> 01:08:15.800 Reports written by certain special ops groups whether it be uh, 1168 01:08:15.960 --> 01:08:19.760 special forces or rangers going down on recons and stuff 1169 01:08:19.800 --> 01:08:24.319 like that, some having their own experiences and some actually 1170 01:08:24.399 --> 01:08:28.359 being sent out to investigate to see when things come across. Now, 1171 01:08:28.399 --> 01:08:31.680 I don't know how comes of those. Yeah, I mean 1172 01:08:31.840 --> 01:08:34.600 if you look, if you look at Roswell with the UFO, 1173 01:08:35.279 --> 01:08:39.600 they come out saying crass the space ship. Next day, No, 1174 01:08:39.800 --> 01:08:43.399 it's a weather balloon. Come on, now, you know the 1175 01:08:43.439 --> 01:08:45.760 military just don't come out and say it's one thing 1176 01:08:45.800 --> 01:08:47.359 and the change the story of the next They got 1177 01:08:47.399 --> 01:08:49.640 caught the pants down that she just says, the weather. 1178 01:08:49.399 --> 01:08:51.520 Balloons begin in the woods. 1179 01:08:52.239 --> 01:08:53.239 Yeah, you know what I mean. 1180 01:08:53.720 --> 01:08:54.439 Uh, but I. 1181 01:08:54.359 --> 01:08:56.600 Mean, there's just so much going on out there that. 1182 01:08:56.680 --> 01:09:00.520 But then again, look at what they're a congress now 1183 01:09:00.720 --> 01:09:04.760 having people look into the UAP aspect. I don't know 1184 01:09:04.760 --> 01:09:07.159 why they changed the name from UFO to UAP. It's 1185 01:09:07.279 --> 01:09:10.119 one and the same. You're trying to dump it down 1186 01:09:10.159 --> 01:09:12.880 a little bit. They're going to the extent to talk 1187 01:09:12.920 --> 01:09:15.239 to these people that's supposed to be doing the research. 1188 01:09:15.840 --> 01:09:18.479 I'll watched a couple of herrings on TV. You got 1189 01:09:18.479 --> 01:09:21.359 these high officials looking into the UFO stuff and reportings 1190 01:09:21.359 --> 01:09:24.399 and whatnot. And then one of the senators asked, these 1191 01:09:24.439 --> 01:09:28.840 guys research, did you go back and look at the 1192 01:09:28.920 --> 01:09:32.479 Roswell incident and gone back ten fifteen years looking at reports. Well, no, 1193 01:09:32.560 --> 01:09:34.760 we're just looking at present day stuff because it's based 1194 01:09:34.800 --> 01:09:36.840 on what the military has been putting out, you know, 1195 01:09:36.920 --> 01:09:39.520 TV and stuff right now for the last fifteen to 1196 01:09:39.520 --> 01:09:41.600 twenty years. Let's catching their stuff. 1197 01:09:41.920 --> 01:09:46.239 You're gonna have a lot more of those UFO UAP 1198 01:09:47.239 --> 01:09:50.600 I think experiences and things on video because people can 1199 01:09:50.640 --> 01:09:55.319 look the nighttime sky is not secluded to those who are, 1200 01:09:55.640 --> 01:09:59.159 you know, just in the forest, whereas the bigfoot experiences 1201 01:09:59.239 --> 01:10:02.680 you have to go on a forest, correct, you know, 1202 01:10:02.760 --> 01:10:08.079 and to kind of there's this kind of this, you know, 1203 01:10:08.159 --> 01:10:13.359 the theory of bigfoots being able to that they're in 1204 01:10:13.359 --> 01:10:16.159 this you know, they can travel through these portals and 1205 01:10:16.199 --> 01:10:19.600 they kind of come in and out. And one question 1206 01:10:19.680 --> 01:10:22.319 is simply raised that you know, is a very valid 1207 01:10:22.359 --> 01:10:24.760 logical point, is like, well, why do we never seem 1208 01:10:24.760 --> 01:10:27.319 in a city then? And it's like, well, yeah, that's 1209 01:10:27.319 --> 01:10:29.359 a good that's a good question, you know. 1210 01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:33.079 Control if it happens, control. 1211 01:10:33.039 --> 01:10:35.039 Yeah, perhaps, Yeah, that's a great. 1212 01:10:34.920 --> 01:10:37.439 About them or somebody else Yeah. 1213 01:10:37.439 --> 01:10:41.039 Well, also to avoid if that entertaining the thought, if 1214 01:10:41.039 --> 01:10:44.560 that is factial information, if that's what they do, then 1215 01:10:44.680 --> 01:10:46.319 it would only make sense that they are trying to 1216 01:10:46.319 --> 01:10:47.720 avoid population. 1217 01:10:47.880 --> 01:10:50.119 Let's stay away from the city. 1218 01:10:50.960 --> 01:10:54.359 Yeah. Well, and it just kind of goes back to, 1219 01:10:55.479 --> 01:10:58.439 you know, again my thought of never you can't dismiss 1220 01:10:58.479 --> 01:11:01.399 someone's story. You know, there are theres and I was 1221 01:11:01.479 --> 01:11:03.840 kind of sure this one where there's a story where 1222 01:11:03.880 --> 01:11:06.359 someone had said that they saw Bigfoot coming out of 1223 01:11:06.359 --> 01:11:11.000 a UFO that was handcuffed to a briefcase and watered 1224 01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:14.039 off in the woods, And it's like, if that's if 1225 01:11:14.079 --> 01:11:18.199 that's your recollection of what happened, Like I can't dismiss that. 1226 01:11:18.319 --> 01:11:19.960 I don't know if I can partake in it, but 1227 01:11:20.039 --> 01:11:23.439 like I can't dismiss it, And you just kind of 1228 01:11:23.479 --> 01:11:28.680 have to put that over here in the paranormal unexplained 1229 01:11:28.960 --> 01:11:33.199 side of things. But then again, it's like I I 1230 01:11:33.279 --> 01:11:34.840 kind of come back to the fact that I just 1231 01:11:34.880 --> 01:11:41.000 I'm hoping that this is a more flesh and blood 1232 01:11:41.079 --> 01:11:44.479 creature that just happens to have that much more intelligence 1233 01:11:44.520 --> 01:11:47.039 than what we do because we can't observe it, we 1234 01:11:47.119 --> 01:11:49.399 can't study it like a Jane Goodall type of thing. 1235 01:11:51.279 --> 01:11:54.239 That's my hope because anything outside of that, again is 1236 01:11:54.239 --> 01:11:56.239 going to blow my lizard brain. 1237 01:11:56.439 --> 01:12:02.119 So well, we're not jumping off of a cliff, but 1238 01:12:02.920 --> 01:12:06.199 my mind's open to anything. And until you get concrete answers, 1239 01:12:06.279 --> 01:12:07.760 it's get out in research and see what. 1240 01:12:07.720 --> 01:12:11.600 You come up with. Whether they're whether. 1241 01:12:11.560 --> 01:12:14.479 Some people say they're inter dimensional, they're flesh and blood, 1242 01:12:15.359 --> 01:12:22.399 nobody knows. Supposedly nobody knows. Uh, get out research, have fun, 1243 01:12:22.600 --> 01:12:25.920 see what you come up with. Uh, put two and 1244 01:12:26.000 --> 01:12:29.960 two together. You can't discount all the stories over the 1245 01:12:30.039 --> 01:12:32.600 last couple of thousand years from Native America's go back. 1246 01:12:33.079 --> 01:12:36.319 I mean they they have stories encountering beings like. 1247 01:12:36.960 --> 01:12:43.199 Every consonant, every. 1248 01:12:40.840 --> 01:12:43.920 Yeah, I can't believe that everybody that talks about this 1249 01:12:44.479 --> 01:12:48.560 or lootings. I mean to me, that's it's impractical. Now 1250 01:12:48.600 --> 01:12:51.199 you're gonna have those who's gonna fabricate stories. They want 1251 01:12:51.199 --> 01:12:54.680 that lime white. They're going to embellish on things. That's 1252 01:12:54.680 --> 01:12:57.239 why you got different filing cabinets. You you look, you 1253 01:12:57.319 --> 01:13:00.960 listen to the story. Based on what you perceive they're telling. 1254 01:13:01.079 --> 01:13:02.359 You can put it in this drawer and you can 1255 01:13:02.399 --> 01:13:03.000 put it over. 1256 01:13:02.880 --> 01:13:04.640 Here in that drawer, in that drawer. 1257 01:13:05.840 --> 01:13:08.159 But I'm not gonna really anybody. I'm not gonna I'm 1258 01:13:08.159 --> 01:13:10.520 not gonna put anybody down for the story because we 1259 01:13:10.720 --> 01:13:12.359 don't know, you know. 1260 01:13:12.359 --> 01:13:15.279 Right See, I'm the same way. I agree with David. 1261 01:13:15.279 --> 01:13:17.439 I'm the same way because I've been doing a lot 1262 01:13:17.479 --> 01:13:21.880 of filming, uh, in interviews with people sharing your accounts. 1263 01:13:22.520 --> 01:13:24.039 I'm not I've gotten to the point. 1264 01:13:24.079 --> 01:13:26.359 I'm not going to call them a liar, you know, 1265 01:13:27.159 --> 01:13:30.079 even I mean, most of the eyewitnesses that I have 1266 01:13:30.159 --> 01:13:33.840 been meeting up with, usually I feel like something don't 1267 01:13:33.880 --> 01:13:36.000 make sense, but I haven't been feeling that way with 1268 01:13:36.079 --> 01:13:39.319 these people. I feel like they've really seen a witness something, so. 1269 01:13:39.840 --> 01:13:40.039 You know. 1270 01:13:40.119 --> 01:13:42.039 And plus, I want people to feel comfortable. I want 1271 01:13:42.039 --> 01:13:44.760 people to come forward with me if they have something legit. 1272 01:13:44.960 --> 01:13:47.319 I mean, I want to hear it, you know. I 1273 01:13:47.359 --> 01:13:48.960 want to put the word out there for them, you know, 1274 01:13:49.119 --> 01:13:51.000 I want to document it, you know, for you know, 1275 01:13:51.119 --> 01:13:53.359 not just to put the word out there. But we 1276 01:13:54.239 --> 01:13:56.680 we gather reports. I'm sure you're the same way. You know, 1277 01:13:56.720 --> 01:13:59.039 you pick up on other people's reports like we do, 1278 01:14:00.159 --> 01:14:04.079 especially here in Virginia, because Virginia is highly underestimated. You know, 1279 01:14:04.199 --> 01:14:07.279 there's a lot that happens. It takes place here in Virginia. Yeah, 1280 01:14:07.319 --> 01:14:09.039 everyone looks at the northwest. 1281 01:14:09.079 --> 01:14:13.720 Well yeah, they're everywhere. 1282 01:14:14.279 --> 01:14:15.399 Yeah, they are here. 1283 01:14:15.600 --> 01:14:18.399 I can promise you that guarantee you that you've got 1284 01:14:18.399 --> 01:14:20.680 to be willing to put in the time to research 1285 01:14:20.720 --> 01:14:21.000 it and. 1286 01:14:20.960 --> 01:14:22.000 Look for it. You know, But. 1287 01:14:23.560 --> 01:14:25.279 Do you think one will have to be put down 1288 01:14:25.319 --> 01:14:27.279 in order for people? I mean this, I get asked 1289 01:14:27.279 --> 01:14:29.319 this question all the time. Do you think what's gonna 1290 01:14:29.399 --> 01:14:33.880 get put down for people to believe? And even then 1291 01:14:34.239 --> 01:14:39.720 if big brother or you know, some government entity doesn't 1292 01:14:39.800 --> 01:14:42.680 come and take that course, because that means a lot 1293 01:14:42.720 --> 01:14:46.000 to the forests, you know, I think that would happen 1294 01:14:46.039 --> 01:14:48.720 first the lumber side. But yeah, I mean I know. 1295 01:14:48.760 --> 01:14:50.680 The government getting the move that's right. 1296 01:14:51.840 --> 01:14:55.680 Well, Man Daniels had to discussed him before with the group. 1297 01:14:56.800 --> 01:15:01.880 If we would actually have a really outer and if 1298 01:15:01.920 --> 01:15:05.880 we came up with physical evidence one way or the other, 1299 01:15:06.600 --> 01:15:07.560 would we report it? 1300 01:15:10.319 --> 01:15:13.119 I mean I would love to document everything we see, but. 1301 01:15:13.239 --> 01:15:17.079 I don't know if I could report it officially because. 1302 01:15:17.319 --> 01:15:19.359 It wouldn't make no sense to really because you. 1303 01:15:20.239 --> 01:15:25.479 Involved one If the look people you're gonna have your 1304 01:15:25.520 --> 01:15:29.079 lootings out there like mountain monsters. Oh boy, where we 1305 01:15:29.119 --> 01:15:31.199 camp at there was a bunch they actually found one 1306 01:15:31.199 --> 01:15:33.520 of them coming total guns and everything else, running through 1307 01:15:33.520 --> 01:15:35.479 the woods, he han and driving the a TVs. 1308 01:15:35.520 --> 01:15:35.880 They're right. 1309 01:15:36.880 --> 01:15:41.800 I don't want that. I don't want the government areas. 1310 01:15:41.920 --> 01:15:44.560 I don't want governments coming in shutting the areas down 1311 01:15:45.680 --> 01:15:49.399 because of that. I mean, look look what California did 1312 01:15:50.159 --> 01:15:52.720 when they had those fires by not letting water come 1313 01:15:52.760 --> 01:15:54.720 down because a little bitty fish that they were trying 1314 01:15:54.720 --> 01:15:59.560 to preserve. There's no other ways to preserve wildlife, especially 1315 01:15:59.640 --> 01:16:05.319 when you're talking fish. I don't want I think it's 1316 01:16:05.319 --> 01:16:09.600 a Keyies hill if if you come forward. But we're 1317 01:16:09.640 --> 01:16:12.359 saying that now, maybe there's a way to bring it forward, 1318 01:16:12.399 --> 01:16:17.279 to keep eighty percent of it unknown, but bring the 1319 01:16:17.439 --> 01:16:20.760 facts forward and let everything go on as normal. If 1320 01:16:20.800 --> 01:16:22.560 that would be possible, I mean, I don't know. 1321 01:16:23.279 --> 01:16:27.239 I think the I think, yeah, the the naturists, and 1322 01:16:29.079 --> 01:16:32.399 I think that the logging company, the logging companies would 1323 01:16:32.439 --> 01:16:34.680 be in trouble to find out that there is a 1324 01:16:34.840 --> 01:16:40.000 bipedal North American humanoid ape species out there. I think 1325 01:16:40.079 --> 01:16:44.039 that's in I think it would almost get political at that. 1326 01:16:44.039 --> 01:16:48.399 Point, economically, it could like it's just. 1327 01:16:48.359 --> 01:16:51.880 It's I think it's such a slippery slope. And you know, 1328 01:16:51.920 --> 01:16:55.520 and even if so, yeah, if you do. And I'm 1329 01:16:55.520 --> 01:16:57.960 not going to say his name, but there is there 1330 01:16:57.960 --> 01:16:59.960 are there is someone out there who is saying that 1331 01:17:00.720 --> 01:17:02.720 they have had a big foot in their freezer for 1332 01:17:04.359 --> 01:17:06.399 you know, years and years, and it's just. 1333 01:17:06.439 --> 01:17:09.000 That I see I've seen that documentary. I think they 1334 01:17:09.039 --> 01:17:12.760 had a documentary on that. 1335 01:17:11.239 --> 01:17:13.920 Okay, all right. 1336 01:17:13.920 --> 01:17:16.760 I got to say the name you're not talking. 1337 01:17:16.600 --> 01:17:22.199 About the the the dog trainer, the veterinarian dark trainer guy. 1338 01:17:23.920 --> 01:17:26.560 I don't remember the name, but I remember the documentary 1339 01:17:26.640 --> 01:17:31.479 I've seen that claimed that two scientists actually came in 1340 01:17:31.720 --> 01:17:33.720 and was drilling into the ice to see if they 1341 01:17:33.720 --> 01:17:37.079 can get any kind of DNA from it and and 1342 01:17:37.560 --> 01:17:39.680 tissue samples and all that other stuff. 1343 01:17:40.199 --> 01:17:41.439 And when they. 1344 01:17:41.439 --> 01:17:43.520 Got the drilling in the eye, so this is according 1345 01:17:43.520 --> 01:17:48.720 to the documentary, air got exposed to it. They can 1346 01:17:48.800 --> 01:17:52.119 smell dead flesh. Then again, that can still be planted 1347 01:17:52.159 --> 01:17:54.640 in there and and I fakes took you know what 1348 01:17:54.680 --> 01:17:57.800 I mean, just by putting beef meat in there. Uh, 1349 01:17:57.800 --> 01:18:00.880 But shortly thereafter and when the scientists done, then the 1350 01:18:00.920 --> 01:18:03.479 thing came up missing again. If it's the same one 1351 01:18:03.520 --> 01:18:08.159 you're talking about, But that's that's a documentary and I 1352 01:18:08.199 --> 01:18:09.640 had they haven't seen him since, so I. 1353 01:18:09.560 --> 01:18:12.199 Mean, well, there's one individual. A lot of people don't 1354 01:18:12.199 --> 01:18:14.039 look to bring up his name because he has been 1355 01:18:14.880 --> 01:18:19.239 well involved with hoaxing for years. But and he supposedly 1356 01:18:19.279 --> 01:18:21.960 put his body is said bigfoot. 1357 01:18:21.520 --> 01:18:24.520 Body on tour, made tons of money on it. 1358 01:18:24.640 --> 01:18:27.439 But I'll throw his name out there because I bet 1359 01:18:27.640 --> 01:18:30.239 he's been on bockhand of the guy Rick Dyer. 1360 01:18:31.439 --> 01:18:32.359 You're not talking about Ricky. 1361 01:18:33.479 --> 01:18:36.079 Let me let me confirm, uh. 1362 01:18:38.000 --> 01:18:40.479 Rick Dyer from he's originally based out of Texas. 1363 01:18:40.600 --> 01:18:43.920 No no, no, no, no, no no, this isn't this isn't him. 1364 01:18:44.239 --> 01:18:51.000 Uh Okay, there's another fella who again I don't want 1365 01:18:51.000 --> 01:18:51.520 to say his name. 1366 01:18:53.439 --> 01:18:55.640 That's okay, that's okay, it's you know. 1367 01:18:55.680 --> 01:19:01.119 It's it's dangerous. I think if you you if there's 1368 01:19:01.159 --> 01:19:04.000 not a scientific backing to this, and this is where 1369 01:19:04.800 --> 01:19:08.920 I have gone on a few expeditions with the late 1370 01:19:09.159 --> 01:19:16.039 doctor Jeffrey Meldrum and he was it's I think that's 1371 01:19:16.079 --> 01:19:18.880 going to set back the big footing community a couple 1372 01:19:19.079 --> 01:19:22.199 of years, if not decades, just because of the amount 1373 01:19:22.279 --> 01:19:28.239 of research and the scientific community ear that he did have, 1374 01:19:30.239 --> 01:19:33.560 you know, and for those hopefully everyone on you know 1375 01:19:34.279 --> 01:19:36.920 with us as it knows who doctor Jeffrey Meldrim is. 1376 01:19:37.199 --> 01:19:41.199 I mean, he's been on every bigfoot documentary since the 1377 01:19:41.319 --> 01:19:42.279 early nineties. 1378 01:19:44.760 --> 01:19:45.560 Yeah, that's bad. 1379 01:19:45.640 --> 01:19:47.119 And I got to meet him a few times a 1380 01:19:47.359 --> 01:19:50.079 couple of local events not far from here out in 1381 01:19:50.079 --> 01:19:50.800 West Virginia. 1382 01:19:51.319 --> 01:19:55.159 Yeah, and David, I almost had another orb story for you. 1383 01:19:56.039 --> 01:19:59.439 But again, my family member, myself and Jeffrey were sitting 1384 01:19:59.439 --> 01:20:02.800 on a law and we were just watching this red 1385 01:20:02.880 --> 01:20:06.239 light go back and forth and didn't know what the 1386 01:20:06.279 --> 01:20:08.840 hell was going on, and it was so bizarre and weird, 1387 01:20:08.880 --> 01:20:11.039 and Jeffrey starts laughing. He's like, what in the heck 1388 01:20:11.159 --> 01:20:14.079 is this? But it turns out it was the next 1389 01:20:14.119 --> 01:20:18.399 group ahead of us, passing their red headlamp back and forth. 1390 01:20:20.960 --> 01:20:21.399 Wow. 1391 01:20:21.720 --> 01:20:24.159 And so it's just like we were just seeing this 1392 01:20:24.800 --> 01:20:27.680 red dot bounce back and forth and we couldn't explain. 1393 01:20:27.399 --> 01:20:30.079 It to do it on purpose. So they were just 1394 01:20:30.119 --> 01:20:31.880 passing the back and passing. 1395 01:20:31.600 --> 01:20:33.600 Back and forth for whatever reason. So we had to 1396 01:20:33.720 --> 01:20:36.920 chime in and asked, is anybody red light? And oh, yeah, 1397 01:20:36.920 --> 01:20:38.199 that's us. We're looking for something. 1398 01:20:38.199 --> 01:20:41.159 I'm like, oh my god, it happened was a Hubert too, 1399 01:20:41.199 --> 01:20:45.199 because the last camp out I was stalking my own 1400 01:20:45.239 --> 01:20:47.760 trill camp I had set out. I had no gold 1401 01:20:47.800 --> 01:20:49.720 set out and have one head or red light that 1402 01:20:49.720 --> 01:20:53.600 would sit up at camp. And it was when they 1403 01:20:53.600 --> 01:20:56.960 were out hiking that evening and Mary looked over seeing 1404 01:20:56.960 --> 01:21:00.159 the red glow come on, yeah, and I you, that 1405 01:21:00.279 --> 01:21:02.600 was a red eye shine way over in the field 1406 01:21:02.600 --> 01:21:05.399 away from us. And I didn't looked over. I didn't 1407 01:21:05.399 --> 01:21:07.319 see nothing. I forgot I have a trail cam on 1408 01:21:07.319 --> 01:21:10.439 this tree up there where where my tent was, Yeah, 1409 01:21:10.520 --> 01:21:13.039 right next to you. I set back down. When I 1410 01:21:13.079 --> 01:21:14.800 was sitting there, she says, there it is. Again. I 1411 01:21:14.840 --> 01:21:18.199 looked over. I didn't see nothing, and then I said, 1412 01:21:18.199 --> 01:21:19.680 well the heck for this? So I stood up, and 1413 01:21:19.760 --> 01:21:23.880 I stood up. Then it came on. What I found 1414 01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:27.039 weird about it is it had about sixty foot range. 1415 01:21:27.920 --> 01:21:31.199 I had probably about ninety to ninety five feet away 1416 01:21:31.640 --> 01:21:35.319 from where we were at the fire pit with the campfire. 1417 01:21:36.000 --> 01:21:38.800 And I think what happened was when I was getting 1418 01:21:38.880 --> 01:21:43.439 up and down talking to them on the radio. With 1419 01:21:43.479 --> 01:21:46.479 the campfire here. I was sitting here and every time 1420 01:21:46.479 --> 01:21:51.560 I got up, I guess the light caused it to 1421 01:21:51.600 --> 01:21:55.039 react with my trail camp that I have set up. 1422 01:21:55.880 --> 01:21:58.079 And that's the only thing I can think of it 1423 01:21:58.079 --> 01:22:00.000 to be, because when I stood up again, that looked 1424 01:22:00.119 --> 01:22:03.439 over and I've seen it, and then way what she 1425 01:22:03.600 --> 01:22:07.720 was describing, I was thinking, well, there is something over there. 1426 01:22:10.279 --> 01:22:14.439 Get them on the radio. They're over the other campsite 1427 01:22:14.439 --> 01:22:17.560 where nobody's that where I was getting caught that static stuff, 1428 01:22:18.279 --> 01:22:21.399 and uh, I said, I got hold of Daniel them. 1429 01:22:21.439 --> 01:22:24.560 I says, anybody over there got through bred head lamp 1430 01:22:24.600 --> 01:22:27.560 on because we got some of that would go white 1431 01:22:27.600 --> 01:22:34.039 red stuff. And yeah, hers, so I have Melissa way 1432 01:22:34.279 --> 01:22:36.359 over the way we need There ain't no way we 1433 01:22:36.439 --> 01:22:40.199 was seeing it, but yeah, was over there to see 1434 01:22:40.239 --> 01:22:42.479 if I could see that walking around, but we we 1435 01:22:42.520 --> 01:22:43.199 couldn't do that. 1436 01:22:43.560 --> 01:22:45.439 Yeah, it didn't make sense to me when you asked 1437 01:22:45.520 --> 01:22:48.720 to do that. There's no way he's seeing it again. 1438 01:22:48.880 --> 01:22:52.279 You got you got to rule things out. And here 1439 01:22:52.920 --> 01:22:58.960 it wasn't hurt. So I started walking towards it. John's 1440 01:22:59.000 --> 01:23:02.640 behind me walking behind me, looking over my shoulder in 1441 01:23:02.680 --> 01:23:05.880 case we run into something. And I get about ten 1442 01:23:06.000 --> 01:23:09.199 fifteen feet toward from my tent, I've seen that red 1443 01:23:09.279 --> 01:23:12.600 light right there on the tree, and I said, Jesus. 1444 01:23:12.279 --> 01:23:15.479 Christ, you yeah. 1445 01:23:15.920 --> 01:23:19.399 Yeah, yeah, I did right there a video we're walking 1446 01:23:19.479 --> 01:23:21.560 up through there, except I had to set for like 1447 01:23:21.720 --> 01:23:26.119 one every fifteen seconds. No, it was video every fifteen seconds, 1448 01:23:26.319 --> 01:23:30.359 ten second videos every fifteen seconds. And you can see 1449 01:23:30.520 --> 01:23:32.960 be bopping up and down through there. It's you gotta 1450 01:23:32.960 --> 01:23:35.199 have a sense of huge. I mean, you know you're 1451 01:23:35.199 --> 01:23:37.560 gonna things are going to happen, and you gotta. 1452 01:23:37.359 --> 01:23:38.319 Have fun with it well. 1453 01:23:38.720 --> 01:23:40.600 And they can turn quick. It could be funny in 1454 01:23:40.640 --> 01:23:41.520 one minute and. 1455 01:23:41.479 --> 01:23:43.960 Then all of a sudden exactly exactly. 1456 01:23:44.640 --> 01:23:44.840 You know. 1457 01:23:45.520 --> 01:23:47.920 Yeah. But if science every would getting stuff like that, 1458 01:23:48.159 --> 01:23:50.800 I mean, I wouldn't know what I mean if they 1459 01:23:50.960 --> 01:23:53.680 just if they knew how to use common sense and logic, 1460 01:23:54.079 --> 01:23:55.640 they wouldn't have to change anything. 1461 01:23:56.520 --> 01:23:58.119 Because in my mind, with it. 1462 01:23:58.960 --> 01:24:02.319 We've been here now going three hundreds of plus years, 1463 01:24:03.159 --> 01:24:06.439 logging and everything else. We've never disrupted them before. If 1464 01:24:06.439 --> 01:24:09.800 they're here, we've never had any problems with them. I mean, 1465 01:24:09.920 --> 01:24:13.399 things that go on as normal as they are now, 1466 01:24:13.479 --> 01:24:16.479 without the government having to get involved, to start shutting 1467 01:24:16.520 --> 01:24:22.159 things down, putting rules and regulations into place, and for 1468 01:24:22.199 --> 01:24:25.000 how long by what means, which we don't know if 1469 01:24:25.000 --> 01:24:28.199 that would come about. It's just huge logic behind stuff 1470 01:24:28.239 --> 01:24:30.279 like this. People can still get out there. They've been 1471 01:24:30.319 --> 01:24:32.560 doing it. I mean, I can't see them getting involved 1472 01:24:33.359 --> 01:24:36.600 if if that discovery was made, all of a suddenly. 1473 01:24:36.960 --> 01:24:40.159 Everybody's fine, And I hate, I hate for that to happen. 1474 01:24:40.399 --> 01:24:45.520 Even if the four one ones are Bigfoot related, Sasquash related, 1475 01:24:46.680 --> 01:24:48.640 they're not doing anything to stop that. 1476 01:24:49.520 --> 01:24:52.960 No, Uh, they don't have any concrete absence what's happening. 1477 01:24:52.960 --> 01:24:55.079 And I think they're just writing office people getting lost. 1478 01:24:55.720 --> 01:24:58.279 Yeah, real quick about the Big four, you know, the 1479 01:24:58.319 --> 01:25:01.520 missing the missing for one one, I mean what little information? 1480 01:25:02.079 --> 01:25:06.000 Uh you know I know about that now, David Variety, 1481 01:25:06.119 --> 01:25:09.279 see you know when he first came about the four 1482 01:25:09.359 --> 01:25:12.560 one one, you know, the program and everything and what 1483 01:25:12.640 --> 01:25:15.439 he's been putting out of his books. And now if 1484 01:25:15.479 --> 01:25:18.600 I'm if I'm understanding correctly, and you know, maybe you 1485 01:25:18.680 --> 01:25:20.960 may know more about this Ken, but you know, correct 1486 01:25:20.960 --> 01:25:24.479 me if I'm wrong, But back it up, it wasn't 1487 01:25:24.520 --> 01:25:27.760 always about Bigfoot, Big Foot. You know, Bigfoot ended up 1488 01:25:27.760 --> 01:25:30.960 coming coming along later on as a possibility with. 1489 01:25:31.079 --> 01:25:35.640 A ca it was Ah. I think the way it 1490 01:25:35.720 --> 01:25:39.520 was made was to let the viewer believe what they 1491 01:25:39.560 --> 01:25:42.600 want to believe, whether it was alien, whether it was 1492 01:25:43.720 --> 01:25:47.800 you know, Bigfoot, whether it was something else, whether it 1493 01:25:47.840 --> 01:25:52.479 was shape shifters, you know, then the idea of like 1494 01:25:52.560 --> 01:25:55.439 people missing, and then I didn't know that this was 1495 01:25:55.479 --> 01:25:57.520 a thing, but then talking to a really good friend 1496 01:25:57.600 --> 01:26:02.279 out in your mounhood again Washington area, in the Gifford 1497 01:26:02.279 --> 01:26:06.960 Pinchot area in Washington, where it's like there's I want 1498 01:26:06.960 --> 01:26:11.760 to say something like volcano pits or something to that effect, 1499 01:26:12.920 --> 01:26:19.039 where there you know, tens ten tens of feet deep 1500 01:26:19.880 --> 01:26:23.760 and it's like you could just fall in one and 1501 01:26:23.800 --> 01:26:26.439 that's it and you're never going to get out of it. 1502 01:26:26.439 --> 01:26:29.920 And it's like, I mean, if that doesn't terrify you 1503 01:26:30.039 --> 01:26:31.600 enough to never go out in the woods, I don't 1504 01:26:31.640 --> 01:26:37.279 know what does. But it definitely led you to think. 1505 01:26:37.319 --> 01:26:42.119 I mean, and the Bigfoot theme was there, and especially 1506 01:26:42.399 --> 01:26:45.199 one of the one stories where there's a child involved 1507 01:26:46.119 --> 01:26:48.640 and they literally let the child like go play just 1508 01:26:48.680 --> 01:26:51.159 around the camp area and you turn your head for 1509 01:26:51.199 --> 01:26:53.319 a second, and now this child's gone. And like, as 1510 01:26:53.359 --> 01:26:55.720 heartbreaking as it is, especially not having kids, it's like 1511 01:26:56.880 --> 01:27:01.800 you you can't take the forest for granted, and you 1512 01:27:01.880 --> 01:27:04.199 got to know your surroundings, the animals that are there. 1513 01:27:04.239 --> 01:27:06.239 And this is all this kind of goes without saying 1514 01:27:06.680 --> 01:27:09.920 as an adult, right, but it's like the big Foot 1515 01:27:09.920 --> 01:27:13.039 side of things, I don't there's only been really one, 1516 01:27:14.119 --> 01:27:18.840 you know story, maybe maybe a handful of stories like 1517 01:27:18.920 --> 01:27:22.279 Albert Osman being you know, picked up in his sleeping 1518 01:27:22.319 --> 01:27:25.199 bag thrown over the shoulder of a sasquatch and then 1519 01:27:25.279 --> 01:27:30.840 like you know, now, yeah, and it's and this was 1520 01:27:32.159 --> 01:27:35.079 within the last century that this was captured, you know 1521 01:27:35.119 --> 01:27:43.159 that this happened to this person. You know, I don't 1522 01:27:43.199 --> 01:27:45.800 know what to quite make of those types of stories. Again, 1523 01:27:45.840 --> 01:27:48.399 I can't doubt it. I can't nay say it because 1524 01:27:49.199 --> 01:27:52.880 I don't do that to people. But I think what's 1525 01:27:52.920 --> 01:27:56.399 interesting is like the idea of what did they do? 1526 01:27:56.439 --> 01:27:59.119 And to your point, Daniel, you know, when it's the 1527 01:27:59.199 --> 01:28:02.000 it's the it's the facts, or it's the little detailed 1528 01:28:02.159 --> 01:28:06.159 that people might say in their stories that say, oh, 1529 01:28:06.199 --> 01:28:09.279 you know, that's that's actually credible because it's it's been 1530 01:28:09.319 --> 01:28:12.079 proven or it's been said by many different people across 1531 01:28:12.119 --> 01:28:15.319 the country of like yeah, this happens and then that happens, 1532 01:28:15.439 --> 01:28:17.640 or or you know, their their teeth are kind of 1533 01:28:18.319 --> 01:28:20.520 in this type of way, or there this color or 1534 01:28:20.520 --> 01:28:23.359 whatever it might be a skin pattern or skin texture, 1535 01:28:24.319 --> 01:28:27.960 all of those things. It's just it it becomes kind 1536 01:28:27.960 --> 01:28:31.720 of harder and harder to disprove a story. And I 1537 01:28:31.760 --> 01:28:35.439 was at recently a work event and it was you know, 1538 01:28:35.479 --> 01:28:40.319 it was brought over to a table and the someone 1539 01:28:40.319 --> 01:28:42.840 introduced me. It was like, this is cav the bigfoot guy. 1540 01:28:43.720 --> 01:28:46.640 And I almost felt as if I was there to 1541 01:28:46.720 --> 01:28:49.000 kind of like start to do a tap dance form. 1542 01:28:49.479 --> 01:28:52.680 But it was the idea of you know, okay, make 1543 01:28:52.760 --> 01:28:59.840 me a believer type of conversation. And I'm learning that 1544 01:29:00.199 --> 01:29:04.159 you can't make people a believer. You have to allow 1545 01:29:04.319 --> 01:29:08.399 them to ask their questions. And as I kind of 1546 01:29:08.560 --> 01:29:12.199 said to David and Melissa, where it's like you got 1547 01:29:12.199 --> 01:29:13.600 to go out and you've got to tell people to 1548 01:29:13.640 --> 01:29:17.159 have their own experiences. You can't. It's one thing if 1549 01:29:17.159 --> 01:29:19.680 they're kind of already bought in if you will, but 1550 01:29:19.840 --> 01:29:23.239 if they're not, anything that you say about the sixty 1551 01:29:23.279 --> 01:29:28.000 seven Patterson gamelan footage. They're not going to maybe understand 1552 01:29:28.039 --> 01:29:30.640 anything that you say about even Jeffrey Melgrium, they're not 1553 01:29:30.640 --> 01:29:34.039 going to understand or you know, locomotion in a foot 1554 01:29:34.119 --> 01:29:36.359 or the mid torsal break. And then I had an 1555 01:29:36.399 --> 01:29:38.359 individual at the table say, well, what about the third 1556 01:29:38.399 --> 01:29:40.600 and fifth in you know, mid torsal break. I'm like, 1557 01:29:41.760 --> 01:29:43.319 that's not a thing. Why are you trying to throw 1558 01:29:43.359 --> 01:29:50.319 me off my right? Yeah, you know, it's It's one 1559 01:29:50.319 --> 01:29:53.439 of those things where I think, what's so important about 1560 01:29:53.439 --> 01:29:59.239 this topic is that it's still exploring our earth, you know, 1561 01:30:00.560 --> 01:30:04.199 whether you're more into oceanography or the forest. Like the 1562 01:30:04.199 --> 01:30:07.279 ocean terrifies me. I'm not going there. There's deeps and 1563 01:30:07.359 --> 01:30:11.119 depths of stuff. Nope, thinks some good that are bigger 1564 01:30:11.159 --> 01:30:13.920 than Bigfoot, Like I'm good, but like Bigfoot, I can 1565 01:30:13.960 --> 01:30:18.359 handle right. And so this is it's just one of 1566 01:30:18.359 --> 01:30:22.319 those things where it's so important to at least be 1567 01:30:22.399 --> 01:30:25.159 open to what David had said and things like that, 1568 01:30:25.199 --> 01:30:28.600 what is the uh, oh, make sure you didn't miss 1569 01:30:28.600 --> 01:30:38.319 a question beginning beginning into the idea of it's so 1570 01:30:38.439 --> 01:30:41.680 important for this to be a possibility, because I think 1571 01:30:41.680 --> 01:30:45.319 it's going to help us learn about ourselves, and the 1572 01:30:45.439 --> 01:30:47.760 fact that this thing, it has to have such a 1573 01:30:47.800 --> 01:30:51.760 higher intelligence than us because it eludes us. It can 1574 01:30:51.840 --> 01:30:54.159 be right in front of our eyes and yet we 1575 01:30:54.199 --> 01:30:57.079 don't see it. There has to be something going on 1576 01:30:57.159 --> 01:30:59.680 that people are seeing in the forest and these creatures 1577 01:31:00.159 --> 01:31:04.079 of why they perhaps allow us to see them one minute, 1578 01:31:04.119 --> 01:31:06.159 but then they don't allow us to see them the next. 1579 01:31:06.239 --> 01:31:09.239 What's that all about? I mean, there's so many questions. 1580 01:31:10.479 --> 01:31:13.319 Well, I did some research here a couple of weeks back, 1581 01:31:13.439 --> 01:31:16.640 just out of curiosity, of all the forests in the 1582 01:31:16.760 --> 01:31:23.000 US and Alaska, and at any given time, there's only 1583 01:31:23.039 --> 01:31:27.119 about maybe ten percent of the forest that people actually 1584 01:31:27.119 --> 01:31:31.640 spend time in because the majority of us remote yep, 1585 01:31:32.199 --> 01:31:36.520 and people cannot sit back and say that people's out 1586 01:31:36.560 --> 01:31:38.600 there all the time. Well, what do you mean people's 1587 01:31:38.640 --> 01:31:42.319 out there all the time. It's a big area. Yeah, here, 1588 01:31:42.399 --> 01:31:48.079 just here on the east coast alone, the George Warshington 1589 01:31:48.439 --> 01:31:52.279 I haven't notes. There's a lot of numbers here. The 1590 01:31:52.399 --> 01:31:57.079 George Warshington National Forest and the Jefferson National Forest combined 1591 01:31:59.079 --> 01:32:03.000 is one point eight million acres. That's two thousand, just 1592 01:32:03.159 --> 01:32:07.479 over twenty eight hundred square miles. That's these two forests. 1593 01:32:08.000 --> 01:32:11.119 There's one hundred and twenty eight forests in the US, 1594 01:32:11.159 --> 01:32:18.680 significant number located on the East coast. That's not counting 1595 01:32:19.119 --> 01:32:23.039 national parks in which is sixty three national parks. Yeah, 1596 01:32:23.119 --> 01:32:26.319 there's that's a lot of areas that people do not 1597 01:32:26.520 --> 01:32:30.640 get to get into, and that on a regular basis 1598 01:32:30.680 --> 01:32:35.399 to explore so much of us it's really it's it's 1599 01:32:35.439 --> 01:32:37.840 not visited, you know, on the regular base. 1600 01:32:38.279 --> 01:32:43.399 No, you can't rocks and thickets and thorns and the 1601 01:32:43.399 --> 01:32:44.520 wildlife that lives there. 1602 01:32:44.560 --> 01:32:47.279 There's no way in the distance involved. 1603 01:32:47.520 --> 01:32:51.640 Yeah, I mean in this that's the acres there is 1604 01:32:51.680 --> 01:32:54.159 actually to kind of tie into this person's question about 1605 01:32:54.199 --> 01:32:58.359 skin Skinwalker Ranch, where that's five hundred and twelve acres 1606 01:32:59.239 --> 01:33:04.399 out in Utah. I mean that is a substantial amount 1607 01:33:04.560 --> 01:33:09.159 of land, at least where I'm from, five hundred and 1608 01:33:09.159 --> 01:33:13.479 twelve acres, and the idea of to just kind of 1609 01:33:13.479 --> 01:33:16.000 get into the Skinwalker Ranch side, and I will relate 1610 01:33:16.079 --> 01:33:20.840 this to the different species of perhaps bigfoot that are 1611 01:33:22.760 --> 01:33:26.359 not species, but different kinds of bigfoot that are out there. 1612 01:33:27.279 --> 01:33:34.079 So Skinwalker Ranch is one of those really challenging stories 1613 01:33:34.119 --> 01:33:37.479 and spots for me to get my head wrapped around. 1614 01:33:37.479 --> 01:33:43.359 Because this is a shape shifting type of creature. I mean, 1615 01:33:43.439 --> 01:33:45.760 dare I say it can kind of go more demonic 1616 01:33:45.800 --> 01:33:51.119 to alien side of things like that. What you don't 1617 01:33:51.159 --> 01:33:55.880 get out of that from a bigfoot perspective is everyone 1618 01:33:55.880 --> 01:33:58.680 whoever sees a bigfoot says it's either not a bear 1619 01:33:58.800 --> 01:34:03.239 or it's like it's a bigfoot. It's not this horned 1620 01:34:03.399 --> 01:34:07.199 or antler type figure or skeletal type figure. It's it's 1621 01:34:07.279 --> 01:34:11.000 always going to be. It had shoulders, it had eyes, 1622 01:34:11.039 --> 01:34:14.119 it had a nose ahead of mouth, like, there's more 1623 01:34:14.439 --> 01:34:21.279 human quality to that, right, Yeah, and so, And the 1624 01:34:21.359 --> 01:34:25.119 reason why that's kind of important as a geographical creature 1625 01:34:25.359 --> 01:34:28.439 is because there are different shapes and sizes of this creature. 1626 01:34:29.000 --> 01:34:34.439 There's different colors, there's different weight to this creature. Somewhere 1627 01:34:34.640 --> 01:34:37.960 bigger and look like they could just snap a you know, 1628 01:34:39.840 --> 01:34:42.960 a diameter tree of twenty inches and a half with 1629 01:34:43.000 --> 01:34:45.880 their fingers, versus the ones that are very tall and 1630 01:34:46.000 --> 01:34:49.239 lanky and look like they have mange. I think that 1631 01:34:49.319 --> 01:34:55.960 there's there's always but there's always a there's always that 1632 01:34:56.159 --> 01:35:01.880 standard relatable figure of was like a person versus the 1633 01:35:01.920 --> 01:35:06.279 skin mark branch, which is it's a shape shifter, which 1634 01:35:06.479 --> 01:35:12.800 is a terrifying uh thought to me, I don't want 1635 01:35:12.800 --> 01:35:15.399 to come across that ever in the wood, So I'll 1636 01:35:15.439 --> 01:35:19.640 just say that here. But then even to the demeanor, 1637 01:35:20.079 --> 01:35:22.640 and perhaps you know you all have had your experiences 1638 01:35:22.680 --> 01:35:25.840 with the different demeanors. I think in the South. When 1639 01:35:25.880 --> 01:35:29.720 I did hear about that FBI, you know, investigated report 1640 01:35:29.720 --> 01:35:33.119 where this you know, campsite got destroyed, that to me 1641 01:35:33.319 --> 01:35:37.319 was kind of made sense because I hear these stories 1642 01:35:37.319 --> 01:35:39.760 and have read these stories where in the South they 1643 01:35:39.760 --> 01:35:47.199 are a little bit more aggressive and don't necessarily want 1644 01:35:47.359 --> 01:35:49.399 anyone around, and if they do, they're going to get 1645 01:35:49.399 --> 01:35:52.000 They're gonna get mad, and they might destroy your campsite, 1646 01:35:53.520 --> 01:35:56.159 whereas the Pacific Northwest, I think that they're perhaps a 1647 01:35:56.199 --> 01:35:59.960 little bit more docile. I would love to hear more 1648 01:36:00.039 --> 01:36:04.479 of your Virginia stories of what you think that remainers, Daniel, 1649 01:36:04.520 --> 01:36:07.239 but they're perhaps another they're another way in Virginia. 1650 01:36:07.600 --> 01:36:10.159 Well, before he gets into that part, ma'am, Melissa, we 1651 01:36:10.319 --> 01:36:13.560 have not really had, for say, anything related to bigfoots 1652 01:36:13.560 --> 01:36:18.000 happened yet other than strange sounds maybe her getting hit 1653 01:36:18.039 --> 01:36:23.760 with uh infra sound at one time. But aside from that, 1654 01:36:24.920 --> 01:36:28.079 I count the paranormal side strange things. As far as 1655 01:36:28.079 --> 01:36:32.720 the big foot side, we're still I have not had 1656 01:36:32.800 --> 01:36:36.439 our experience and say, yeah, we've had that yet a 1657 01:36:36.520 --> 01:36:39.520 couple of possibilities, but not like what Daniels had, which 1658 01:36:39.520 --> 01:36:41.479 he could tell you. But well, I'm gonna get a 1659 01:36:41.520 --> 01:36:43.359 couple of call fro while he gets his insight on 1660 01:36:43.399 --> 01:36:48.199 that good question though. I mean, yeah, I think there's 1661 01:36:48.239 --> 01:36:51.439 different types throughout, just like the different types of people 1662 01:36:51.439 --> 01:36:56.479 throughout Skunk Skunk Skunk ape from Florida, smaller than the 1663 01:36:56.520 --> 01:36:59.880 one on the West coast. Daniel knows more about that tonight. 1664 01:37:01.960 --> 01:37:05.560 I mean I personally based off you know, not just 1665 01:37:05.680 --> 01:37:09.359 my encounter. My encounter, you know, would five others shared 1666 01:37:09.399 --> 01:37:12.000 it with me? Uh, just to brigally run you through 1667 01:37:12.000 --> 01:37:16.479 that there, that situation without getting into too many details. 1668 01:37:16.479 --> 01:37:20.319 I mean, I mean, we believe we encountered a possible family, 1669 01:37:20.800 --> 01:37:24.439 you know, we're free different sizes, of course, the largest. 1670 01:37:24.079 --> 01:37:27.800 One being pretty broad you know, around YouTube tall. And 1671 01:37:27.840 --> 01:37:30.319 then jumping ahead as far as comparing. 1672 01:37:29.960 --> 01:37:34.880 Them to other eyewitness accounts, I mean here in Virginia, based. 1673 01:37:34.640 --> 01:37:36.720 Off of what I've just you know, learned. 1674 01:37:36.520 --> 01:37:40.680 And heard and gathered from other eyewitnesses. I mean they 1675 01:37:40.800 --> 01:37:43.920 range anywhere from you know, you know, seven to eight 1676 01:37:43.920 --> 01:37:47.239 feet on average here. You know, most of the stories 1677 01:37:47.279 --> 01:37:51.000 I hear from others, Yeah, they're around seven feet, you know, 1678 01:37:51.600 --> 01:37:54.000 seven to eight feet, but I believe seven feet is 1679 01:37:54.000 --> 01:37:56.000 a good safety number to go by. 1680 01:37:57.640 --> 01:37:59.159 I mean they all vary inside of this. 1681 01:37:59.560 --> 01:38:01.960 I mean, you know, just like you're talking about, you know, 1682 01:38:02.000 --> 01:38:05.279 based off regions. I mean, what Dave was saying for 1683 01:38:05.800 --> 01:38:09.560 the goofer was you know you mentioned with Florida skuncake. 1684 01:38:10.479 --> 01:38:14.439 You know, it's just like you know, people are all 1685 01:38:14.479 --> 01:38:19.159 across the world or you know, you got Asians, you know, Russian, 1686 01:38:19.840 --> 01:38:21.760 you know, whatever you may have it. You know, we're 1687 01:38:21.760 --> 01:38:25.000 all different shapes and sizes. We have different orientations. 1688 01:38:25.239 --> 01:38:25.439 You know. 1689 01:38:26.159 --> 01:38:30.319 Uh, it's it's hard to get When you were saying 1690 01:38:30.319 --> 01:38:33.600 the sizes, It's like, yeah, but what's really hard for 1691 01:38:33.640 --> 01:38:38.279 me to chew are the ones where they're twelve feet plus. Yeah, 1692 01:38:38.600 --> 01:38:42.479 you're talking about you're almost talking about like a baby 1693 01:38:42.560 --> 01:38:49.880 giraffe size, like Mighty Joe Young type of baby King Kong, 1694 01:38:50.079 --> 01:38:51.720 like hopping through the forest. 1695 01:38:51.720 --> 01:38:55.399 It's like, I I agree with you yes, and dismissed. 1696 01:38:54.920 --> 01:39:00.520 It, but like, how how would that even be the 1697 01:39:00.560 --> 01:39:04.239 amount of food? But then just recently there was a 1698 01:39:05.359 --> 01:39:09.760 fellow that I became pretty interested in, Kevin Laying. Yeah, 1699 01:39:09.880 --> 01:39:14.439 he shared his story where he was able to he 1700 01:39:14.520 --> 01:39:17.159 was out hunting and he actually, you know, there was 1701 01:39:17.199 --> 01:39:21.359 this baby bigfoot. But yet the story I was driving 1702 01:39:21.399 --> 01:39:24.760 and what it sounded like was that this baby bigfoot, 1703 01:39:24.800 --> 01:39:27.840 because it was kind of whimpering for food, was like 1704 01:39:28.000 --> 01:39:30.520 twelve feet tall, eight feet tall, but like it was 1705 01:39:30.600 --> 01:39:34.399 kind of a baby. It didn't quite track, but it 1706 01:39:34.520 --> 01:39:39.279 was the idea that like, if you're hugging something twelve 1707 01:39:39.279 --> 01:39:43.199 feet tall, you got you're hugging like it's thigh if 1708 01:39:43.239 --> 01:39:49.359 that like right. But it's a very interesting story in 1709 01:39:49.399 --> 01:39:52.680 the way in which he actually be friends and feeds 1710 01:39:52.760 --> 01:39:56.319 this bigfoot and brings him in closer to share this 1711 01:39:56.399 --> 01:40:00.159 deer that he you know, shot and cooked. And so 1712 01:40:00.239 --> 01:40:02.479 for all those who are Kevin Laying is it's a 1713 01:40:02.560 --> 01:40:08.560 very interesting story. I'm not gonna, you know, spoil it 1714 01:40:08.560 --> 01:40:10.840 for anyone, but like it's it's just a very interesting story. 1715 01:40:10.840 --> 01:40:15.479 And there's the connection there, and I think that that's 1716 01:40:16.960 --> 01:40:19.399 it could be possible, and we talk about kind of 1717 01:40:19.439 --> 01:40:24.159 like the gift giving that's happened. You know, when I 1718 01:40:24.199 --> 01:40:28.680 went on an expedition in Colorado with Dennis full he 1719 01:40:28.760 --> 01:40:33.279 kind of shared his experiences with the gift giving in 1720 01:40:33.319 --> 01:40:41.359 the BFROO and kind of the the the experiment of 1721 01:40:41.520 --> 01:40:45.079 like trying to get this Bigfoot family closer by serving 1722 01:40:45.119 --> 01:40:48.640 them pancakes, and it actually brought them into the camp. 1723 01:40:48.680 --> 01:40:55.279 And there's perhaps some footage that they captured, but it's 1724 01:40:56.159 --> 01:41:00.560 I think it's still one of those things where eight 1725 01:41:00.640 --> 01:41:06.760 eight max and demeanor and how how it relates to 1726 01:41:06.840 --> 01:41:11.159 you and and I don't know if it's it's like 1727 01:41:11.279 --> 01:41:16.279 habititizing is a possible thing. There's those out there who 1728 01:41:16.359 --> 01:41:19.399 say it's possible by kind of gift giving or feeding, 1729 01:41:19.439 --> 01:41:22.479 you know, putting an apple on the same location, you know, 1730 01:41:22.520 --> 01:41:24.520 on a Wednesday. Every Wednesday, put an apple on a 1731 01:41:24.600 --> 01:41:25.960 rock and it'll stay in the middle of the forest. 1732 01:41:25.960 --> 01:41:27.319 And if it goes away and you put it again 1733 01:41:27.319 --> 01:41:29.960 there on a Wednesday and it goes away, chances are 1734 01:41:30.000 --> 01:41:32.479 that that could be a big Foot that you're starting 1735 01:41:32.479 --> 01:41:35.279 to habititize into thinking that there's always gonna be this 1736 01:41:35.319 --> 01:41:36.720 apple on this rock on a Wednesday. 1737 01:41:37.239 --> 01:41:41.880 Yeah, well you can alway an animal to do that too. Yeah, 1738 01:41:42.840 --> 01:41:45.920 that's that the death alds under principles of conditions. 1739 01:41:46.479 --> 01:41:55.000 Yeah, it totally does. It's it's different perhaps if if 1740 01:41:55.000 --> 01:42:00.319 it's if it's consistent, that's where I would start to say, well, 1741 01:42:00.319 --> 01:42:02.680 then what's going on? And then there are there are 1742 01:42:02.760 --> 01:42:05.359 stories to David where there's there's gift giving, but then 1743 01:42:05.359 --> 01:42:09.800 there's gift giving back in stick figures or you know, 1744 01:42:10.039 --> 01:42:15.079 any type of rock even just a rock like that's 1745 01:42:15.119 --> 01:42:19.680 where then it's then it's that Shi Yeah, yeah, right 1746 01:42:19.760 --> 01:42:20.439 right right. 1747 01:42:20.640 --> 01:42:22.920 One of one of our group members, but the Corn 1748 01:42:23.000 --> 01:42:25.479 Lake a few years back had something like that to happen. 1749 01:42:25.479 --> 01:42:26.880 If Dani will tell him about that. 1750 01:42:27.760 --> 01:42:33.159 Yeah, you're referring to Dale, right, Yeah, you had one 1751 01:42:33.199 --> 01:42:36.760 particular spot we camped that and the other research area 1752 01:42:36.960 --> 01:42:40.159 is you know, we used to experiment and play around 1753 01:42:40.119 --> 01:42:40.880 with things. 1754 01:42:41.279 --> 01:42:41.399 Uh. 1755 01:42:42.039 --> 01:42:45.000 We decided like we had some rock stacks up behind 1756 01:42:45.039 --> 01:42:48.680 the creek bed that was partially dried out in areas 1757 01:42:48.800 --> 01:42:53.279 behind us. Well Dale one of our guys that camp 1758 01:42:53.399 --> 01:42:55.359 with us, which I believe he believes he plans on 1759 01:42:55.399 --> 01:42:58.520 coming back with us in May. Well he was he 1760 01:42:58.560 --> 01:43:00.840 went he came back into the area isn't a location. 1761 01:43:01.279 --> 01:43:03.960 And he walked behind the camp and found something behind 1762 01:43:04.079 --> 01:43:06.560 where we had left one of the rock stacks. 1763 01:43:06.720 --> 01:43:07.239 Now keep on. 1764 01:43:07.359 --> 01:43:09.000 There was a couple of down trees that was going 1765 01:43:09.000 --> 01:43:12.960 over the creek bed and again, uh, that part of 1766 01:43:12.960 --> 01:43:16.239 the creek bed on the most part was dry. But 1767 01:43:17.079 --> 01:43:19.560 he came across and he showed his pictures of it 1768 01:43:19.720 --> 01:43:21.279 or did he actually show us? 1769 01:43:21.640 --> 01:43:23.880 Was it just I remember? Was it just a picture 1770 01:43:23.960 --> 01:43:26.239 or did he actually I think he only had pictures 1771 01:43:26.239 --> 01:43:26.479 of it. 1772 01:43:27.000 --> 01:43:28.640 Yeah, he did not keep it. 1773 01:43:28.800 --> 01:43:31.720 He regrets that he didn't keep it, but no, he 1774 01:43:31.760 --> 01:43:34.239 did was photograph it, and then he kind of put 1775 01:43:34.279 --> 01:43:35.680 it right back in the same spot. 1776 01:43:35.720 --> 01:43:36.000 Again. 1777 01:43:36.159 --> 01:43:38.359 It was in the area where the where we had 1778 01:43:38.359 --> 01:43:39.279 stacked all those. 1779 01:43:39.199 --> 01:43:45.079 Rocks, right, Yeah, because what was interest about that? Well, 1780 01:43:45.079 --> 01:43:47.439 first of all, let me say what he found, Uh, 1781 01:43:47.880 --> 01:43:50.760 was it looked like a woven grief, like a reef. 1782 01:43:50.840 --> 01:43:51.880 That was like handmaid. 1783 01:43:53.079 --> 01:43:55.159 That was good. Yeah. 1784 01:43:55.800 --> 01:43:56.800 Now it's funny that he. 1785 01:43:56.840 --> 01:43:59.760 Saw that because I came across something just like that 1786 01:44:00.439 --> 01:44:03.479 maybe you know a few years or so, or maybe 1787 01:44:03.680 --> 01:44:08.680 longer in another area way out of this area down 1788 01:44:08.920 --> 01:44:11.399 like Melissa David, if you're familiar with the wind Hurst area, 1789 01:44:11.520 --> 01:44:12.199 going down. 1790 01:44:12.439 --> 01:44:15.119 Where the forest connects to cars of the Blue Ridge 1791 01:44:15.159 --> 01:44:15.720 Mountains there. 1792 01:44:16.359 --> 01:44:19.720 Well, anyway, I was in an area where I found 1793 01:44:19.760 --> 01:44:22.079 a couple of interest and structures and formations. But I 1794 01:44:22.239 --> 01:44:24.000 just so happened to be walking in the woods and 1795 01:44:24.800 --> 01:44:28.640 looked down and here's our what we were described as 1796 01:44:28.880 --> 01:44:32.479 what looked like a reef. It was looked like it 1797 01:44:32.560 --> 01:44:35.359 was made from like vine type material that was woven 1798 01:44:35.399 --> 01:44:36.560 together in a complete. 1799 01:44:36.279 --> 01:44:38.920 Cir laying there on the middle of the ground. 1800 01:44:39.279 --> 01:44:39.479 You know. 1801 01:44:39.560 --> 01:44:42.439 I but what he saw that, that's what it reminded 1802 01:44:42.479 --> 01:44:45.239 me of. It was like, wow, Okay, he's like, I mean. 1803 01:44:45.239 --> 01:44:48.079 Is somebody doing that? I mean, that's the possibility. 1804 01:44:48.079 --> 01:44:50.520 We can't we can't say that it's not somebody doing. 1805 01:44:51.800 --> 01:44:56.239 In Sam Houston and Sam Houston, Dana, we had another 1806 01:44:56.800 --> 01:45:01.039 interesting moment was that we actually it had come across 1807 01:45:01.079 --> 01:45:06.359 like a nest, almost like a tree structure, and we 1808 01:45:06.439 --> 01:45:10.960 called it a cathedral because there was one arch built 1809 01:45:11.000 --> 01:45:16.439 on top of another arch, and it just was woven 1810 01:45:16.479 --> 01:45:18.520 in such a way where it's it just kind of 1811 01:45:18.560 --> 01:45:21.079 made it seem impossible for humans to do. But yet 1812 01:45:21.119 --> 01:45:26.079 we're there. Who knows. I'll never forget this though, and 1813 01:45:26.159 --> 01:45:29.960 I will say that this goes back to the respect 1814 01:45:30.119 --> 01:45:33.560 of nature and these creatures. There was a member there 1815 01:45:33.560 --> 01:45:40.079 who then decided to relieve themselves on this cathedral structure 1816 01:45:40.680 --> 01:45:45.680 and just to kind of make this bigfoot mad or whatever, 1817 01:45:45.760 --> 01:45:49.800 if that's what that was going to do, Like have 1818 01:45:50.479 --> 01:45:53.359 just respect what you find in the woods for those 1819 01:45:53.399 --> 01:45:58.199 who are listening, and like, so when you didn't take it, Daniel, 1820 01:45:58.800 --> 01:46:00.840 was that because of I was that out of respect 1821 01:46:00.920 --> 01:46:04.199 or was that more so of like, Oh that's weird, 1822 01:46:04.199 --> 01:46:06.880 I'm going to leave it there, take a picture of it, 1823 01:46:06.960 --> 01:46:07.520 document it. 1824 01:46:08.399 --> 01:46:08.439 No. 1825 01:46:08.600 --> 01:46:11.159 I mean I I just didn't know what to think 1826 01:46:11.199 --> 01:46:13.239 of it. I just thought it was something that somebody 1827 01:46:13.319 --> 01:46:15.279 made and they either dropped it or left there. I 1828 01:46:15.279 --> 01:46:17.760 mean the one I found, not the other gentleman who 1829 01:46:17.760 --> 01:46:19.119 found from our campsite. 1830 01:46:20.319 --> 01:46:20.800 But I don't know. 1831 01:46:20.880 --> 01:46:24.399 I just I don't know. I like whatever, I'm just 1832 01:46:24.439 --> 01:46:26.920 going to leave there. I just didn't say much of it. 1833 01:46:26.960 --> 01:46:27.279 Really. 1834 01:46:27.800 --> 01:46:31.720 Yeah, So could you tell if there was any I mean, 1835 01:46:32.800 --> 01:46:34.920 was it shiny to where it could be like did 1836 01:46:34.960 --> 01:46:36.880 it look like it had glue on it? That there 1837 01:46:36.960 --> 01:46:37.439 was there any? 1838 01:46:37.760 --> 01:46:37.960 Oh? 1839 01:46:38.159 --> 01:46:39.720 No, this was definitely what was hard. 1840 01:46:41.079 --> 01:46:47.039 I found you know, well some of the national binds 1841 01:46:47.079 --> 01:46:49.640 in the area where the one I found, Like I said, 1842 01:46:50.159 --> 01:46:52.720 I recognized the material where it came from. It was 1843 01:46:52.760 --> 01:46:56.840 from the woods. I mean, uh, it was definitely something 1844 01:46:56.880 --> 01:47:00.640 that somebody took the time. Somebody or something had taken 1845 01:47:00.680 --> 01:47:05.439 the time to woven and you know, branch together this round, 1846 01:47:05.520 --> 01:47:09.399 complete circle of vinewood, you know I called vinewood. And 1847 01:47:09.520 --> 01:47:12.039 it was some vine wood. It gets up to an 1848 01:47:11.520 --> 01:47:12.880 inch or two thicks. 1849 01:47:12.960 --> 01:47:14.960 This was not even probably. 1850 01:47:15.600 --> 01:47:18.399 A quarter inch thick to a half inch thick, you know, 1851 01:47:18.439 --> 01:47:20.560 as far as the vine that was made from. But 1852 01:47:21.439 --> 01:47:24.039 so yeah, I was just I don't know, I mean, 1853 01:47:24.079 --> 01:47:27.960 thinking back on it, I don't recall me thinking I 1854 01:47:27.960 --> 01:47:29.199 actually got a picture of it. 1855 01:47:29.239 --> 01:47:30.600 I mean I did take a picture of it, and 1856 01:47:30.720 --> 01:47:32.119 I thought it was interestingly. 1857 01:47:32.279 --> 01:47:37.239 Yeah, you know, Daniel, I just sent you through messenger. 1858 01:47:37.319 --> 01:47:40.760 I just sent you the two pictures that Dale had taken, 1859 01:47:41.600 --> 01:47:43.920 one dog and the other one of. 1860 01:47:44.079 --> 01:47:45.720 The reaf part the braided. 1861 01:47:47.520 --> 01:47:49.600 So I don't know if you will be able to 1862 01:47:49.640 --> 01:47:51.520 open them or not, but I just sent them to 1863 01:47:51.600 --> 01:47:52.439 you a messenger. 1864 01:47:53.680 --> 01:47:58.319 Okay, give me a seventeen twenty twenty three. 1865 01:47:58.840 --> 01:48:01.920 That's when they want to yeah, all right. 1866 01:48:02.000 --> 01:48:03.720 Yeah, when I click on the picture, I mean I 1867 01:48:03.720 --> 01:48:06.239 see him, but when I go to click on them, they. 1868 01:48:06.640 --> 01:48:11.199 They're not appearing. Okay, yeah, I mean I'm looking at 1869 01:48:11.279 --> 01:48:12.359 him right now, I'm messenger. 1870 01:48:12.399 --> 01:48:13.800 But like I said, if I click on him and 1871 01:48:13.880 --> 01:48:15.960 try to stand and save him, they won't show up. 1872 01:48:18.199 --> 01:48:18.399 Now. 1873 01:48:19.239 --> 01:48:24.039 Based off the picture of the round reef that Dale found, 1874 01:48:25.640 --> 01:48:28.760 it looks like it's the same material. It's almost looks 1875 01:48:28.800 --> 01:48:31.079 like identical to the same material to the one I found. 1876 01:48:31.520 --> 01:48:32.960 Of course, the one I found. 1877 01:48:32.720 --> 01:48:36.079 Was probably a little thicker and you know, using the 1878 01:48:36.079 --> 01:48:39.520 same type of material. This vine, yeah, the one he is, 1879 01:48:39.600 --> 01:48:42.520 the one that's found here, was definitely used with somebody vine. 1880 01:48:45.279 --> 01:48:47.680 That was in an area too, Like, that's the same 1881 01:48:47.840 --> 01:48:49.039 vine found in that area. 1882 01:48:49.520 --> 01:48:52.159 Well, the one found that the one found by Dale, 1883 01:48:52.319 --> 01:48:54.319 this is many miles away. This is an our main 1884 01:48:54.359 --> 01:48:58.520 research area. But what I found probably about over twenty 1885 01:48:58.520 --> 01:49:01.399 something miles away. Just see the twenty miles away. 1886 01:49:01.960 --> 01:49:03.640 So uh. 1887 01:49:03.680 --> 01:49:05.279 And also again it's. 1888 01:49:05.079 --> 01:49:05.760 Not the. 1889 01:49:07.920 --> 01:49:09.880 One I found was in the National Force. The one 1890 01:49:09.920 --> 01:49:14.439 that I found was part of the Bluish Parkway Blue 1891 01:49:14.520 --> 01:49:17.560 the Blueish Mountains on the pace of the mountain. So yeah, 1892 01:49:18.319 --> 01:49:20.680 uh yeah, like I said, be a good twenty miles 1893 01:49:20.720 --> 01:49:24.159 away easily a whole different time period too. 1894 01:49:24.760 --> 01:49:26.560 But the one I was trying to po the one 1895 01:49:26.560 --> 01:49:27.399 that Melissa. 1896 01:49:27.079 --> 01:49:31.960 Sent me, is the one that Dale found. It was 1897 01:49:32.000 --> 01:49:34.680 a lot thinner. It was pretty thin. See and when 1898 01:49:34.680 --> 01:49:36.960 I click on it, you show them to see it. 1899 01:49:37.079 --> 01:49:38.279 I'm trying to show. 1900 01:49:38.039 --> 01:49:39.279 It, you see. 1901 01:49:39.359 --> 01:49:42.479 Yeah, it comes up super white. 1902 01:49:42.560 --> 01:49:42.960 Yeah. 1903 01:49:44.439 --> 01:49:49.640 Yeah, I'd saved him on my computer and my laptop 1904 01:49:49.720 --> 01:49:51.680 and the screen. 1905 01:49:53.880 --> 01:49:56.159 Yeah. 1906 01:49:56.960 --> 01:49:58.199 Well, I mean, if I knew we were going to 1907 01:49:58.239 --> 01:50:00.399 be talking about that, I can say that it up 1908 01:50:00.399 --> 01:50:07.159 on the screen like I did his books. You never know, Yeah, okay, Yeah, 1909 01:50:07.319 --> 01:50:09.800 it's interesting that you come across out there though, you know, 1910 01:50:11.399 --> 01:50:13.760 I mean, if are you talking about structures and everything? 1911 01:50:13.840 --> 01:50:17.279 You know, I have come across a lot of interesting structures, 1912 01:50:17.600 --> 01:50:20.079 you know, and again we you know, we a lot 1913 01:50:20.119 --> 01:50:22.159 of people want to contribute it to big Foot. I 1914 01:50:22.560 --> 01:50:26.199 want to do it too, but I can't because I 1915 01:50:26.319 --> 01:50:27.720 feel my conscience. 1916 01:50:27.279 --> 01:50:29.039 Because I didn't want this bitfoot doing it. 1917 01:50:29.159 --> 01:50:32.520 You know, that kind of goes along with everybody else 1918 01:50:32.520 --> 01:50:34.399 that said, oh that's a big pot structure. You don't 1919 01:50:34.439 --> 01:50:36.520 know that you didn't with this pick Foot Bills net 1920 01:50:36.520 --> 01:50:38.000 because if you did, you'd be shipping your. 1921 01:50:37.920 --> 01:50:38.520 Pants, you know. 1922 01:50:40.119 --> 01:50:41.279 I mean, I don't know. 1923 01:50:41.319 --> 01:50:44.079 That's just me, but I mean we want to contribute 1924 01:50:44.159 --> 01:50:46.960 what we find the big quot but because I mean 1925 01:50:47.560 --> 01:50:50.560 the structures that fascinate me are like two F structures 1926 01:50:50.680 --> 01:50:54.600 and anything that looks woven together way off the deep path, 1927 01:50:54.680 --> 01:50:57.000 which I've come across a lot of that, and I 1928 01:50:57.039 --> 01:50:58.600 find it that weather can't do that. 1929 01:50:58.720 --> 01:51:02.359 Weather can't do naturally. You have to have the fun 1930 01:51:02.479 --> 01:51:04.479 to be able to put things together. 1931 01:51:04.520 --> 01:51:07.279 Because I have come across woven things that were twisted 1932 01:51:07.319 --> 01:51:11.039 and combined. You know, I got pictures of stuff like that, 1933 01:51:11.159 --> 01:51:13.000 and it makes you really wonder what the heck. 1934 01:51:13.239 --> 01:51:16.920 Yeah, and the one you know, and the one that 1935 01:51:16.960 --> 01:51:20.560 we came across the cathedral again that we're calling it 1936 01:51:20.600 --> 01:51:23.520 in Texas, then that was I mean, it had a 1937 01:51:23.560 --> 01:51:25.920 door opening, you can walk in it, you can kind 1938 01:51:25.920 --> 01:51:28.600 of almost stand up in it. And I'm six to one. 1939 01:51:28.720 --> 01:51:33.199 So it's like it just was enough of a structure 1940 01:51:33.359 --> 01:51:38.119 to say that one of those things where it well 1941 01:51:38.720 --> 01:51:40.960 it was either bigfoot or it was a human. I mean, 1942 01:51:41.039 --> 01:51:44.800 it's just airb like you can't you can't chalk it 1943 01:51:44.880 --> 01:51:46.640 up to anything else besides that. I mean that, I 1944 01:51:46.680 --> 01:51:52.720 don't know what else it folds twigs like that, unless 1945 01:51:52.720 --> 01:51:55.079 there's like a giant beaver cryptid that we've yet to discover, 1946 01:51:55.199 --> 01:51:56.840 but that would be about it. 1947 01:51:57.520 --> 01:52:01.920 Now you mentioned, I'm I had never heard of that 1948 01:52:01.960 --> 01:52:04.520 one before, but that's right now. You mentioned it's gonna 1949 01:52:04.520 --> 01:52:09.479 be popping up now, probably be perencrypted, but again you 1950 01:52:10.159 --> 01:52:13.560 never know it could be. But until you can nail 1951 01:52:13.560 --> 01:52:18.960 it down, you can't say yay or nay to what's 1952 01:52:19.000 --> 01:52:21.399 going on. That's why we like getting on the beaten path, 1953 01:52:21.640 --> 01:52:24.840 you know, where people normally don't go. If I find, 1954 01:52:24.960 --> 01:52:26.960 if we find something off of a trail that we're 1955 01:52:26.960 --> 01:52:30.119 walking on that people used to walk to the lake 1956 01:52:30.159 --> 01:52:34.039 and stuff like that, within ten fifteen yards or whatever, 1957 01:52:34.840 --> 01:52:37.760 I can't so people people going about there trying to 1958 01:52:37.800 --> 01:52:38.720 hope people. 1959 01:52:39.199 --> 01:52:42.720 And you know that well, I mean, and I don't. 1960 01:52:44.439 --> 01:52:48.760 I always am on the side of, you know, bring 1961 01:52:48.800 --> 01:52:52.319 protection because you just don't know whatever happens in the woods, 1962 01:52:52.319 --> 01:52:56.039 so you have to be protected. And for all those 1963 01:52:56.079 --> 01:53:03.319 who are wanting to play that, you know, play little 1964 01:53:03.359 --> 01:53:05.720 jokes on perhaps the big footers that you know are 1965 01:53:05.760 --> 01:53:09.279 in your area. Why mess with that, I mean, don't 1966 01:53:09.319 --> 01:53:11.560 don't put people in the situations where they're gonna get 1967 01:53:11.560 --> 01:53:15.319 stooped and use use a weapon and then you can 1968 01:53:15.319 --> 01:53:19.279 get hurt and then you know it's just it's not 1969 01:53:19.479 --> 01:53:19.920 worth it. 1970 01:53:21.239 --> 01:53:24.840 And that's why you got to know what people go 1971 01:53:24.920 --> 01:53:25.439 out with too. 1972 01:53:25.600 --> 01:53:30.039 I mean, I mean, if you with somebody that that 1973 01:53:30.039 --> 01:53:37.439 that's kind of timid or whatnot, I don't want to 1974 01:53:37.479 --> 01:53:37.920 think have. 1975 01:53:37.880 --> 01:53:41.000 Them, have them start, to have them start, and you 1976 01:53:41.119 --> 01:53:42.840 can always be behind them. 1977 01:53:43.359 --> 01:53:45.760 They don't they needn't think connectic on them. Put it 1978 01:53:45.800 --> 01:53:53.159 that way, well said we all we all take protection 1979 01:53:53.239 --> 01:53:56.199 out there, but it's not for the bigfoot. It's for 1980 01:53:56.239 --> 01:53:59.319 the two legged predators out there, which we know that 1981 01:53:59.560 --> 01:54:03.039 people go out and stalk people for whatever reason. And 1982 01:54:03.079 --> 01:54:06.079 the four leg because bears. We got black bear hair 1983 01:54:06.119 --> 01:54:10.720 and coyotes and bear at tax black bear. It's it's 1984 01:54:10.800 --> 01:54:12.760 very rare here. But you never know when you may 1985 01:54:12.800 --> 01:54:15.199 come across a mother and the goves with thy n 1986 01:54:15.439 --> 01:54:17.079 Nine times out of tenth they know you're there, they're 1987 01:54:17.079 --> 01:54:19.720 going to head for a different direction or the rare 1988 01:54:19.880 --> 01:54:24.600 predatory bearer that you got. Because people don't realize if 1989 01:54:24.600 --> 01:54:27.119 you start shooting at a bear especially. 1990 01:54:29.520 --> 01:54:31.800 And it runs off. Now you got another. 1991 01:54:31.479 --> 01:54:34.720 Problem because other people are going to come out there. 1992 01:54:34.840 --> 01:54:38.199 Now they may encounter or wounded bear. Yep, So you 1993 01:54:38.279 --> 01:54:41.840 got people. People have to use common sense when you 1994 01:54:41.960 --> 01:54:46.079 go out there. Start slow baby steps, get comfortable in 1995 01:54:46.119 --> 01:54:49.880 the area you're in, like Daniel, and everybody says, learn 1996 01:54:49.880 --> 01:54:53.439 your wildlife, what's there, what to do if you encounter them, 1997 01:54:53.840 --> 01:54:57.079 what not to do if you encounter certain things. Make 1998 01:54:57.079 --> 01:55:01.079 your presence known. Even if even if you make your 1999 01:55:01.079 --> 01:55:04.479 presence no, I don't think that will detern anyway you 2000 01:55:04.560 --> 01:55:06.159 have in your experience with the bigfoot. 2001 01:55:08.960 --> 01:55:10.119 You know you're there. 2002 01:55:10.000 --> 01:55:13.000 There's no way that you can go walking through the 2003 01:55:13.000 --> 01:55:14.680 woods and the bigfoots, I mean. 2004 01:55:15.079 --> 01:55:18.479 Exactly, they're gonna They're gonna know you're there. If they 2005 01:55:18.520 --> 01:55:20.680 get curious, you might get like enough having the counter, 2006 01:55:21.359 --> 01:55:24.199 or you couldn't catch one off guard at one time 2007 01:55:24.279 --> 01:55:26.159 now that he's walking off or whatever. 2008 01:55:26.520 --> 01:55:30.079 Well, you know, there's this the whole idea of going 2009 01:55:30.119 --> 01:55:34.039 out at night and doing the thing that you know, 2010 01:55:34.039 --> 01:55:36.399 the Finding Bigfoot crew kind of had kicked off was 2011 01:55:36.439 --> 01:55:40.640 going out at night, and it's I much prefer the daytime. 2012 01:55:40.920 --> 01:55:42.520 I know what I'm walking on I know what I'm 2013 01:55:42.520 --> 01:55:45.640 walking around, I know what I'm about to walk hopefully on. 2014 01:55:45.840 --> 01:55:51.560 If it's a sleeping bear or something or whatever. Like yeah, 2015 01:55:51.680 --> 01:55:56.079 like you know, it's there's there's a thrill going out 2016 01:55:56.119 --> 01:55:58.880 at night. You know, your your heart and blood will 2017 01:55:58.880 --> 01:56:02.760 get pumping. But as far as a safety, it's like, 2018 01:56:03.520 --> 01:56:06.520 you know, the the best footage that we currently have 2019 01:56:06.880 --> 01:56:10.279 of a Sasquatch, I think is still kind of goes back, 2020 01:56:10.760 --> 01:56:16.199 you know, to the nineteen sixty seven Patterson given footage, 2021 01:56:17.079 --> 01:56:20.159 but it's and there are others right there, other since 2022 01:56:20.199 --> 01:56:25.960 then that have are good before AI And it's one 2023 01:56:26.000 --> 01:56:29.800 of those things where it's it's just it's it allows 2024 01:56:29.840 --> 01:56:33.239 you to kind of get more familiar with the area 2025 01:56:33.399 --> 01:56:36.199 and when you're out at your camp at night, just 2026 01:56:36.279 --> 01:56:39.520 kind of cooking food, singing or you know, playing music 2027 01:56:39.600 --> 01:56:42.279 or playing a guitar or whatever it is that's going 2028 01:56:42.359 --> 01:56:45.680 to draw them in. And I'll never forget what Owel 2029 01:56:45.880 --> 01:56:49.119 was we were. You know, this is when the whole 2030 01:56:49.159 --> 01:56:51.840 group was out in Mounhood kind of doing our thing. 2031 01:56:51.880 --> 01:56:55.199 We're doing Investigator, We're trying to get quiet and things 2032 01:56:55.279 --> 01:56:57.960 like that, and you hear this off in the distance. 2033 01:56:57.960 --> 01:57:03.039 You just hear this one guy singing this like, oh brother, 2034 01:57:03.079 --> 01:57:07.960 we're arthaou type of yodeling, and it's Tom Powell in 2035 01:57:08.000 --> 01:57:11.239 the middle of the woods and just singing some you know, 2036 01:57:11.680 --> 01:57:14.760 Mountain Hill song and it was just like, you know, 2037 01:57:15.600 --> 01:57:19.479 it was eerie. But what he was doing was trying 2038 01:57:19.520 --> 01:57:23.239 to attract them to him, and he was trying to 2039 01:57:23.279 --> 01:57:26.359 make himself known, and he was trying to be vulnerable. 2040 01:57:27.159 --> 01:57:30.880 And I think that that's a very if we if 2041 01:57:30.960 --> 01:57:34.359 you want to have that experience, you can make yourself 2042 01:57:34.800 --> 01:57:38.920 very vulnerable in the woods by going alone and you know, 2043 01:57:39.119 --> 01:57:41.720 singing songs or you know. And what he would do 2044 01:57:41.880 --> 01:57:43.800 is he would just bring out a cot and put 2045 01:57:43.840 --> 01:57:45.600 a sleeping bag on it and that's it. That was 2046 01:57:45.640 --> 01:57:47.039 his tent. He didn't have a tent. 2047 01:57:48.720 --> 01:57:48.960 You know. 2048 01:57:49.039 --> 01:57:52.520 It's like I wouldn't recommend it myself personally, but. 2049 01:57:52.640 --> 01:57:55.760 Like it's whatever your comfort zone. 2050 01:57:55.760 --> 01:57:56.279 It's whatever. 2051 01:57:56.600 --> 01:57:57.920 Yeah, it's whenever, God. 2052 01:57:57.880 --> 01:58:00.640 At research starting the daytime. Yeah, you're not used to 2053 01:58:00.680 --> 01:58:03.119 the woods. What's out there? Don't go out there and 2054 01:58:03.199 --> 01:58:05.279 just jump at nighttime if you don't know the area 2055 01:58:05.319 --> 01:58:07.479 where you're going and stuff like that. What you could 2056 01:58:07.600 --> 01:58:09.640 or may what you may encounter when you're out there 2057 01:58:09.640 --> 01:58:13.800 after dark, because what even though you go out in 2058 01:58:13.840 --> 01:58:16.159 the daytime, you go out there in the nighttime. What 2059 01:58:16.239 --> 01:58:18.000 you do in the daytime, half of them is going 2060 01:58:18.039 --> 01:58:19.520 to change anyway with darkness falls. 2061 01:58:19.560 --> 01:58:23.279 You're yeah, you can't walk what it was that? 2062 01:58:24.439 --> 01:58:27.520 Yeah, if you start in the daytime, at nightfalls, while 2063 01:58:27.520 --> 01:58:29.079 you're out there and you're trying to come back, if 2064 01:58:29.079 --> 01:58:31.439 you're not familiar with the area, and they're gonna look 2065 01:58:31.560 --> 01:58:36.479 less unless you're on a specific path you can follow. Yeah, 2066 01:58:36.479 --> 01:58:39.520 those those shadows start coming in and hitting in the darkness, 2067 01:58:39.560 --> 01:58:44.119 and that could be disorienting, disorienting even in the daytime 2068 01:58:44.439 --> 01:58:46.520 for a lot of people until they get into a 2069 01:58:46.560 --> 01:58:47.239 comfort zone. 2070 01:58:47.279 --> 01:58:49.479 That's going out there. That's what you gotta take baby steps. 2071 01:58:50.479 --> 01:58:53.359 But it's like the location, the location where me and 2072 01:58:53.439 --> 01:58:57.079 David Melissa in our group, where we camp at, I mean, 2073 01:58:57.520 --> 01:59:01.279 where we go out at nighttime. You know, it's totally cool. 2074 01:59:01.399 --> 01:59:04.680 I feel comfortable, I feel you know whatever I mean, 2075 01:59:04.760 --> 01:59:08.600 I think. I don't think I can't recall one ounce 2076 01:59:08.640 --> 01:59:12.079 of fear or any kind of nervous feeling I've ever 2077 01:59:12.199 --> 01:59:16.039 had while we've gone out together as a crew. But 2078 01:59:16.199 --> 01:59:18.800 you know, the few times I've camped out there by myself, 2079 01:59:19.439 --> 01:59:21.119 you know, the venture alone. 2080 01:59:21.199 --> 01:59:22.560 I don't care how many lights. 2081 01:59:22.319 --> 01:59:24.960 I have on me or whatever, even if even with 2082 01:59:25.039 --> 01:59:28.119 a side arm on me. I've gone out there, you know, 2083 01:59:29.439 --> 01:59:32.479 you know, not far away from camp, you know, by 2084 01:59:32.520 --> 01:59:34.399 where we've had this strange light and stuff like that, 2085 01:59:34.520 --> 01:59:37.279 just walking up there. It's a different feeling when you're 2086 01:59:37.279 --> 01:59:40.199 by yourself, knowing that there's nobody else around you, you know, 2087 01:59:40.439 --> 01:59:41.359 I mean, all you got is. 2088 01:59:41.319 --> 01:59:43.239 Your side arm or a phone or a camp or 2089 01:59:43.279 --> 01:59:44.840 whatever camp order or whatever. 2090 01:59:44.560 --> 01:59:47.000 You got and a head lamp or a light that 2091 01:59:47.039 --> 01:59:49.039 goes dead on you like crap, you know, and all 2092 01:59:49.079 --> 01:59:51.159 of a sudden, all kinds of crap happens. The feeling 2093 01:59:51.279 --> 01:59:54.279 kind of rushes over you, like you can't help that. 2094 01:59:54.720 --> 01:59:59.720 It's a different feeling, Like you know, I've been out 2095 02:00:00.039 --> 02:00:02.640 it's a lot by myself, but you know, especially in it, 2096 02:00:02.760 --> 02:00:05.399 like like David wasn't, I could go on elk On 2097 02:00:05.520 --> 02:00:08.640 Lake or walk the road for by myself at night. 2098 02:00:09.279 --> 02:00:12.199 You know, I've been out there enough by myself because 2099 02:00:12.239 --> 02:00:14.760 I know the area so well, you know, I just 2100 02:00:14.760 --> 02:00:17.159 feel more protected out there for some reason. I don't 2101 02:00:17.199 --> 02:00:19.760 know why, but you know this other area here, to 2102 02:00:19.840 --> 02:00:23.199 me is it's a different ballgame, you know, knowing that 2103 02:00:23.239 --> 02:00:25.880 there's not woods on top of woods on top of woods, 2104 02:00:26.039 --> 02:00:30.760 you know, work mine and everything else out there. It's yeah, 2105 02:00:30.760 --> 02:00:34.000 it's some of the things I've heard at nighttime makes 2106 02:00:34.039 --> 02:00:36.359 you really wonder, like, Okay, sure, I better stay close 2107 02:00:36.399 --> 02:00:37.960 to camp, you know, so you. 2108 02:00:37.840 --> 02:00:41.079 Don't have to you don't have to go far right, 2109 02:00:41.159 --> 02:00:44.439 you just don't. And you can get yourself an airbnb 2110 02:00:45.239 --> 02:00:48.399 on the East coast or West coast or Ohio and 2111 02:00:48.560 --> 02:00:52.520 in the middle of the woods and like, oh yeah, experience. 2112 02:00:53.680 --> 02:00:56.399 Absolutely. I've done that with you know in the past. 2113 02:00:56.600 --> 02:00:58.399 You know, we've you know, me and. 2114 02:00:58.319 --> 02:01:00.840 Old Grover and we've actually done that, you know, in 2115 02:01:00.960 --> 02:01:03.840 areas like this is so freaking cool. You know, we're 2116 02:01:03.880 --> 02:01:06.000 I mean, this was here in Virginia, but we were 2117 02:01:06.039 --> 02:01:07.800 like surrounded by woods and you've got a few of 2118 02:01:07.840 --> 02:01:10.680 them mountain up behind the cabin, you know, you. 2119 02:01:10.640 --> 02:01:12.279 Know, you just don't know. I mean, I'm not saying 2120 02:01:12.319 --> 02:01:12.720 I've had. 2121 02:01:12.640 --> 02:01:15.399 Experiences that way, but just the fact that you're there 2122 02:01:15.439 --> 02:01:18.079 and surrounded by woods and you're in an area where 2123 02:01:18.119 --> 02:01:21.359 like this is the perfect environment, perfect cabinitat you know, 2124 02:01:22.199 --> 02:01:24.239 but it is whatever you know. 2125 02:01:24.399 --> 02:01:27.800 But so it's all part of it, you know. 2126 02:01:27.960 --> 02:01:34.039 Yeah, I mean, so, Kevin, I want to ask you 2127 02:01:34.039 --> 02:01:37.159 a question. I mean, I mean, you plan on continuing 2128 02:01:37.159 --> 02:01:40.079 when your research as far as getting out there doing 2129 02:01:40.159 --> 02:01:41.640 other expeditions and group. 2130 02:01:41.520 --> 02:01:42.359 Or anything like that. 2131 02:01:43.359 --> 02:01:47.319 Yeah, Like I said, growing family, I got to be 2132 02:01:47.399 --> 02:01:50.680 here for them. I gotta be a whole mind and body, right, 2133 02:01:51.560 --> 02:01:54.720 But yes, and in fact, I'd like to get out 2134 02:01:54.760 --> 02:01:56.920 to the East Coast. You know, I've been kind of 2135 02:01:56.960 --> 02:01:59.239 doing more of the West Coast side of things. The 2136 02:02:01.479 --> 02:02:04.159 I've also, I mean, shame on me for not getting 2137 02:02:04.159 --> 02:02:08.039 out to Bluff Creek or California and you know, getting 2138 02:02:08.079 --> 02:02:12.119 back to Mecca. But like maybe maybe over in California. 2139 02:02:12.399 --> 02:02:14.800 So yeah, I would say California or the East Coast 2140 02:02:14.840 --> 02:02:18.079 is kind of where I'm headed next. I've got a 2141 02:02:18.079 --> 02:02:22.000 a good friend who's kind of out in that New 2142 02:02:22.000 --> 02:02:24.479 Hampshire area who says that there's things kind of going 2143 02:02:24.520 --> 02:02:26.079 on in that in those forests. 2144 02:02:26.720 --> 02:02:32.600 It's his name, Mike. It's not no, I'm asking Mike 2145 02:02:32.640 --> 02:02:34.159 Timsley was one of our recent guests. 2146 02:02:35.119 --> 02:02:42.279 Yeah it's uh no, but yeah, absolutely, I mean that's 2147 02:02:42.319 --> 02:02:44.520 that's on the horizon for me. And also. 2148 02:02:45.880 --> 02:02:49.079 I'm working on when it comes to Virginia. 2149 02:02:52.640 --> 02:02:54.520 You never know, but I you know, I got your 2150 02:02:54.520 --> 02:02:58.520 contact info and so like if if it's open invitation, Daniel, 2151 02:02:58.560 --> 02:03:00.520 like I will, I will for sure reach out. 2152 02:03:01.800 --> 02:03:04.000 I can tell you I could. I can guarantee you 2153 02:03:04.000 --> 02:03:12.000 we are cheaper than the BFRO. We don't charge. Yeah, 2154 02:03:12.079 --> 02:03:14.239 I know how much the BFRO cass. I know people 2155 02:03:14.239 --> 02:03:16.600 that used to associate with the BFRO well, and and. 2156 02:03:16.840 --> 02:03:19.319 It goes, Yeah, it's kind of over talking about you 2157 02:03:19.359 --> 02:03:22.720 don't need to pay if you want to go to 2158 02:03:22.840 --> 02:03:25.960 some there and have a group of twenty to thirty 2159 02:03:26.039 --> 02:03:29.640 people in the woods chomping around like. 2160 02:03:30.159 --> 02:03:32.800 You know what the I can't not even that big? 2161 02:03:33.399 --> 02:03:36.000 What do we have eight to ten people at maybe 2162 02:03:36.079 --> 02:03:37.640 twelve people at the most if that. 2163 02:03:38.000 --> 02:03:39.800 Yeah, and then most of the time we split up 2164 02:03:39.800 --> 02:03:42.840 in the groups small to you know, smaller groups. Anyway, 2165 02:03:43.319 --> 02:03:45.399 if we have enough, we're going through a night time 2166 02:03:46.479 --> 02:03:48.920 max that one times been four. 2167 02:03:49.600 --> 02:03:51.319 I mean we usually have a couple of people left 2168 02:03:51.319 --> 02:03:53.000 back at base camp, you know, because a lot of 2169 02:03:53.079 --> 02:03:56.000 them depends on who stays back at base camp. Their 2170 02:03:56.039 --> 02:03:59.840 mobility is slightly limited off. Oh yeah, yeah, and that 2171 02:04:00.119 --> 02:04:01.680 or whatever we had. 2172 02:04:01.880 --> 02:04:04.800 We had someone to operate the radio because if there 2173 02:04:04.880 --> 02:04:09.159 is an emergency for those that's out there in the woods, 2174 02:04:09.239 --> 02:04:11.560 they need to be able to contact us. That way, 2175 02:04:11.800 --> 02:04:15.439 if something does happen God forbid, you know, we can 2176 02:04:15.479 --> 02:04:18.119 get in a vehicle and head down in their direction. 2177 02:04:18.720 --> 02:04:22.600 Yeah, I mean eventually on our filming expeditions. I mean 2178 02:04:22.760 --> 02:04:25.600 as years go by, you'll start seeing us, You'll start 2179 02:04:25.640 --> 02:04:27.920 seeing our group members with walker and going down the 2180 02:04:27.920 --> 02:04:28.479 forest road. 2181 02:04:29.000 --> 02:04:34.399 I'm let me start. 2182 02:04:34.920 --> 02:04:36.960 I have to get more four wheelers out there. 2183 02:04:37.359 --> 02:04:41.680 Yeah, I make too much noise. 2184 02:04:44.119 --> 02:04:46.680 No, I mean we Yeah, we do two group camp 2185 02:04:46.760 --> 02:04:49.560 ups a year. May is September. But right now I 2186 02:04:49.560 --> 02:04:52.119 haven't said a day for September because I got other 2187 02:04:52.199 --> 02:04:54.439 things I'm working on and I want to be able 2188 02:04:54.479 --> 02:04:58.640 to say what extra time I'll have after May meet 2189 02:04:58.720 --> 02:05:01.399 up with other people lover investigations. 2190 02:05:03.600 --> 02:05:05.319 That's something I'm working towards this year. 2191 02:05:06.920 --> 02:05:09.199 But yeah, I mean the invitations out at GIA May 2192 02:05:09.279 --> 02:05:11.560 seventeen through the twenty six year in Virginia. 2193 02:05:11.600 --> 02:05:13.039 If that's right, that might work out for you. 2194 02:05:13.319 --> 02:05:16.479 So yeah, I'll keep you post on that. I appreciate 2195 02:05:16.520 --> 02:05:21.000 the open opportunity there and invitation, I mean any chance 2196 02:05:21.079 --> 02:05:27.199 I can, and just you know, from a safety standpoint, 2197 02:05:27.279 --> 02:05:29.600 you know, things like that, you got to go with 2198 02:05:29.640 --> 02:05:33.600 people that you trust to your point, David, you know, 2199 02:05:33.640 --> 02:05:37.720 other than that, you know, I'm working on a script, 2200 02:05:39.279 --> 02:05:43.239 like kind of a movie script about Bigfoot. There are 2201 02:05:43.479 --> 02:05:46.920 a plethora, you come to find out on streaming services, 2202 02:05:47.039 --> 02:05:50.119 all of these different Bigfoot movies, and they're all kind 2203 02:05:50.159 --> 02:05:54.880 of like these schlock be horror films. Yeah, it's it's 2204 02:05:54.920 --> 02:05:59.119 it's fun and like as much as I don't believe 2205 02:05:59.439 --> 02:06:03.199 that these creatures are that way, of course it's fun 2206 02:06:03.239 --> 02:06:05.319 to write a script that way. So like, of course 2207 02:06:05.359 --> 02:06:08.680 that's what I'm doing. But it's also one of those 2208 02:06:08.680 --> 02:06:12.920 things where there's a lot of we need you don't 2209 02:06:12.960 --> 02:06:15.840 need to get into this dietria, but there's a there's 2210 02:06:15.920 --> 02:06:18.920 some bad Bigfoot movies out there, and like the whole 2211 02:06:19.000 --> 02:06:21.880 Sasquatch Sunset Sunrise. 2212 02:06:21.359 --> 02:06:22.960 That, Yeah, I didn't even watch it. 2213 02:06:23.600 --> 02:06:29.399 I don't want I did, and it's. 2214 02:06:28.279 --> 02:06:33.760 Like for those watch it, so I don't quite know 2215 02:06:33.800 --> 02:06:36.840 what they were trying to, like, what their message was, 2216 02:06:37.800 --> 02:06:42.039 but it made the Sasquatch look like drunk or like 2217 02:06:42.159 --> 02:06:47.560 drugged ape men like or even men, and like it 2218 02:06:47.800 --> 02:06:50.479 just all the more reason where it makes like us 2219 02:06:50.520 --> 02:06:54.079 researchers look even more the fool and so it's just 2220 02:06:54.159 --> 02:06:56.600 not I did not appreciate. 2221 02:06:56.039 --> 02:06:58.279 It, and we're not We're not gonna get away from that. 2222 02:06:58.960 --> 02:07:04.600 Yeah, yeah, well he almost did with with Meldrum. And 2223 02:07:04.720 --> 02:07:06.960 you know, I think that there are those again, the 2224 02:07:07.439 --> 02:07:14.920 more scientific side of this, by tracks by DNA, those 2225 02:07:14.960 --> 02:07:20.520 are hard proofs. And I know that even like Les 2226 02:07:20.520 --> 02:07:23.760 Stroud is trying to kind of bring in a DNA 2227 02:07:24.720 --> 02:07:32.319 side of things, but like the DNA folks that he 2228 02:07:32.439 --> 02:07:35.520 was working with, like they're building burned down or something 2229 02:07:35.560 --> 02:07:38.840 and now they moved. It's just like it's a it's 2230 02:07:38.880 --> 02:07:41.720 always this hard road with this topic. 2231 02:07:43.159 --> 02:07:44.159 You mentioned less Shroud. 2232 02:07:44.159 --> 02:07:45.800 I didn't know you were involved in trying to produce 2233 02:07:45.920 --> 02:07:50.199 DNA because I know he's very he's very skeptical, but 2234 02:07:50.640 --> 02:07:52.680 I feel like he's a believer to a point, but 2235 02:07:52.880 --> 02:07:55.520 at the same time he's keeping skeptical. 2236 02:07:55.039 --> 02:07:58.479 My viewpoint on the subject on what he's out there. 2237 02:07:59.079 --> 02:08:02.199 He says, Yeah, I mean I agree with. 2238 02:08:02.560 --> 02:08:05.760 His He did a series, you know, he did Survivorman 2239 02:08:06.600 --> 02:08:09.560 that he did though like he did a full series 2240 02:08:09.600 --> 02:08:19.239 of like Survivorman Bigfoot edition. Yeah, so good, And I 2241 02:08:19.279 --> 02:08:22.880 mean and so he was actually going to go in 2242 02:08:22.920 --> 02:08:26.560 depth more than in a documentary with doctor Jeffrey Meldrum. 2243 02:08:26.640 --> 02:08:30.159 But his passing, I think that's causing a lot of delays. 2244 02:08:30.399 --> 02:08:30.760 And so. 2245 02:08:33.159 --> 02:08:35.800 That's just I think the direction in which the documentary 2246 02:08:35.960 --> 02:08:38.119 was supposed to go is now kind of maybe taking 2247 02:08:38.159 --> 02:08:41.399 a turn or a back seat. But there is a 2248 02:08:41.560 --> 02:08:47.840 DNA portion of that, right, interesting. 2249 02:08:48.199 --> 02:08:50.279 Yeah, if I'm not mistaken, I think some of the 2250 02:08:50.279 --> 02:08:54.279 even vocalizations that they've caught, they can't match him up 2251 02:08:54.279 --> 02:09:02.159 to any known other wildlife type vocalizations. 2252 02:09:01.319 --> 02:09:02.560 That go on record too. 2253 02:09:03.319 --> 02:09:06.359 Yeah, that's what I've seen on TV with some of 2254 02:09:06.399 --> 02:09:09.000 those things where people get the vocalizations they call them 2255 02:09:09.039 --> 02:09:12.880 audio the cinnamon and have mammalized. It doesn't match up 2256 02:09:12.880 --> 02:09:13.319 to anything. 2257 02:09:13.399 --> 02:09:20.560 No, Yeah, the the biggest, like yeah, so for the vocalizations, 2258 02:09:20.600 --> 02:09:24.800 I mean, the Sierra sounds was the biggest best, you know, 2259 02:09:24.960 --> 02:09:30.760 kind of what's out there. On one of his episodes 2260 02:09:30.800 --> 02:09:33.560 of the you know, Survivor Man Bigfoot, they do kind 2261 02:09:33.600 --> 02:09:38.920 of replay back what's the samurai chatter that someone had 2262 02:09:38.960 --> 02:09:43.800 caught and Samurai chatter is just basically is is what 2263 02:09:43.840 --> 02:09:49.039 it sounds like? Literally real type of thing. And so 2264 02:09:50.479 --> 02:09:53.039 the language there I think is is I think it's 2265 02:09:53.039 --> 02:09:57.840 something to be studied, that it has been studied, and 2266 02:09:57.960 --> 02:10:01.479 so it But I don't know if he's digging into 2267 02:10:01.760 --> 02:10:03.960 that side of things. I mean, I think he's going 2268 02:10:04.000 --> 02:10:08.560 straight for the DNA proof in this documentary. 2269 02:10:07.640 --> 02:10:10.960 As long as nobody, as long as nobody interferes with him, 2270 02:10:10.960 --> 02:10:14.520 because at the back of my mind is when somebody 2271 02:10:14.760 --> 02:10:18.720 starts to get close, if they haven't already, they get 2272 02:10:18.760 --> 02:10:21.920 that phone call or that knock on the door to 2273 02:10:22.000 --> 02:10:22.640 tap it down. 2274 02:10:23.079 --> 02:10:24.640 Mm hm, you know what I mean. 2275 02:10:25.520 --> 02:10:28.359 I've always found it fascinating with you know ron yuh 2276 02:10:29.720 --> 02:10:34.039 RAN's uh you know video capture of the sounds and 2277 02:10:34.840 --> 02:10:39.600 sounds I've always found them fascinating. You know, that came 2278 02:10:39.600 --> 02:10:41.960 back from the seventies. If I'm not mistaken, you. 2279 02:10:41.880 --> 02:10:45.560 Know that was only a that was on a reel deel. 2280 02:10:45.920 --> 02:10:49.560 That's all right, right, And you know, I'm waiting for 2281 02:10:49.600 --> 02:10:52.520 somebody to come up with something like you know, like 2282 02:10:53.279 --> 02:10:55.520 I mean, I'm not saying everybody speaks the same language. 2283 02:10:55.560 --> 02:10:57.600 It's like, you know, some people speak eighty and some 2284 02:10:57.640 --> 02:10:58.600 people speak Russian. 2285 02:10:58.800 --> 02:11:01.159 I mean, that might be a completely different language out 2286 02:11:01.279 --> 02:11:03.800 there than what we might have here on the East Coast. 2287 02:11:03.920 --> 02:11:05.439 So but it makes you wonder. 2288 02:11:05.880 --> 02:11:07.560 You know, I've heard people say, oh, I've heard it 2289 02:11:07.720 --> 02:11:10.439 sound like Samur Charader in the wood. 2290 02:11:10.960 --> 02:11:11.359 I don't know. 2291 02:11:11.399 --> 02:11:12.920 I mean, I don't know what they heard, but you know, 2292 02:11:13.000 --> 02:11:16.119 it's like, yeah, is it the same language that this 2293 02:11:16.199 --> 02:11:19.319 year sounds picked up, you know, versus I don't know. 2294 02:11:19.359 --> 02:11:22.319 It makes you really wonder. You know that the North 2295 02:11:22.359 --> 02:11:26.880 American continents produced, you know, as far as the Sasquaxts 2296 02:11:26.920 --> 02:11:29.840 that live here. It makes you wonder are they speaking 2297 02:11:29.880 --> 02:11:33.119 the same language out there that they do here versus 2298 02:11:33.119 --> 02:11:37.920 what they might speak out China or Australia down to 2299 02:11:37.960 --> 02:11:40.880 South America. I mean, I mean they all have their 2300 02:11:40.920 --> 02:11:44.159 own type of language. Yeah, but you know, I heard 2301 02:11:44.199 --> 02:11:44.840 some people. 2302 02:11:44.640 --> 02:11:47.880 Say, oh, they speak English. I don't know. I mean, 2303 02:11:49.000 --> 02:11:49.920 makes you really wonder. 2304 02:11:51.159 --> 02:11:51.760 Well, And. 2305 02:11:53.159 --> 02:11:57.479 If you look up Scott Nelson, he actually did have 2306 02:11:57.640 --> 02:12:05.279 a bunch of the yeah, like he broke this down 2307 02:12:05.399 --> 02:12:09.359 into he he did the research of the hair of 2308 02:12:09.439 --> 02:12:14.159 Sounds and like the alleged recordings of Sasquatch, and obviously 2309 02:12:14.239 --> 02:12:18.079 he can't translate that. But he he came to say 2310 02:12:18.079 --> 02:12:24.680 that there's like irrefutable syllables and language and words being spoken, 2311 02:12:25.840 --> 02:12:31.159 and like it's it's at actually a higher rate in 2312 02:12:31.239 --> 02:12:34.239 which we speak. I guess we speak pretty slow. But 2313 02:12:34.399 --> 02:12:38.479 these things when they say that's like that's a whole 2314 02:12:38.479 --> 02:12:42.840 paragraph that they have now spoken. But Scott, Scott Nelson 2315 02:12:42.920 --> 02:12:45.600 was a he look into that. I mean, for those listening, 2316 02:12:45.640 --> 02:12:49.760 that's that's an interesting, interesting analysis of the language. 2317 02:12:50.439 --> 02:12:53.479 Yeah, it's interesting how Scott came about that. It was 2318 02:12:54.399 --> 02:12:56.000 it was I want to I don't want to say. 2319 02:12:56.039 --> 02:12:58.159 It was an actor and it was based off of 2320 02:12:58.199 --> 02:13:02.880 his sons. Something was doing a project or something involved 2321 02:13:02.920 --> 02:13:05.119 with something something to do with school. 2322 02:13:05.560 --> 02:13:08.199 His son happened to be playing that, uh you know, 2323 02:13:08.279 --> 02:13:10.359 and then he overheard it. What the heck is that? 2324 02:13:12.239 --> 02:13:14.439 From my understanding, I mean, I could be wrong on that. 2325 02:13:14.600 --> 02:13:15.840 That's the story I heard. 2326 02:13:17.479 --> 02:13:20.520 Yeah, that's probably true. I mean, yeah, there's he's given 2327 02:13:20.600 --> 02:13:22.479 lectures and they're they're all over YouTube. 2328 02:13:22.920 --> 02:13:31.239 Yeah, absolutely, Well tell you what, guys, we're getting to 2329 02:13:31.279 --> 02:13:33.800 a point where it's we've been on. 2330 02:13:33.800 --> 02:13:35.760 Here for a good two hours, which I mean, I don't. 2331 02:13:35.640 --> 02:13:39.239 Mind going a long, long longer long already. 2332 02:13:39.279 --> 02:13:42.000 Well, yeah, it's been over two hours. It's pretty cool. 2333 02:13:42.039 --> 02:13:46.039 I love that in depth conversations that goes by fast. 2334 02:13:46.279 --> 02:13:49.399 Yeah, or real quick, Kevin, what time is there? 2335 02:13:49.239 --> 02:13:51.239 Are you East coach time? Or what time is it 2336 02:13:51.319 --> 02:13:51.800 over there? 2337 02:13:51.960 --> 02:13:55.119 I'm Central, so it's it's ten fifteen, ten sixteen. 2338 02:13:54.880 --> 02:13:56.920 Okay for your hour behind? Okay? 2339 02:13:56.960 --> 02:13:57.279 Cool? 2340 02:13:57.960 --> 02:14:00.159 Are you here Milwaukee. 2341 02:14:01.079 --> 02:14:06.479 Stones throwaway? I have a sister that lives up there. Okay, 2342 02:14:06.640 --> 02:14:07.039 very cool? 2343 02:14:07.119 --> 02:14:09.760 Yeah, four years now. 2344 02:14:10.680 --> 02:14:11.279 Very cool? Yeah. 2345 02:14:11.319 --> 02:14:15.760 We uh the big footing kind of happens towards the 2346 02:14:15.760 --> 02:14:19.319 Dells area, if you're familiar with that. 2347 02:14:21.760 --> 02:14:25.159 Interesting. Yeah, I got certain to find scuba diving back 2348 02:14:25.199 --> 02:14:29.960 at seventy seven of a Kenosha, Wisconsin. That's where the 2349 02:14:29.960 --> 02:14:34.560 shop works. Yeah, like certain to find scuba diving up 2350 02:14:34.560 --> 02:14:35.840 there to shop there in Kenosha. 2351 02:14:36.039 --> 02:14:37.039 Oh Okay. 2352 02:14:37.920 --> 02:14:41.439 We went to the Great Lakes, the Lake Michigan for 2353 02:14:41.520 --> 02:14:44.119 the actual dive pork when I was in the military. 2354 02:14:44.880 --> 02:14:46.880 That was back at seventy seven. That was way way, 2355 02:14:47.119 --> 02:14:48.600 way way back in the past. 2356 02:14:53.600 --> 02:14:55.680 We're not going to say how old, right. 2357 02:14:57.479 --> 02:14:58.920 I'm the only logical one of. 2358 02:14:58.960 --> 02:15:08.239 The you you's. 2359 02:15:02.920 --> 02:15:05.439 Got to have out there. That's why we're out there 2360 02:15:05.439 --> 02:15:06.279 with him. 2361 02:15:07.279 --> 02:15:10.800 We got off of that clip, right right. 2362 02:15:11.439 --> 02:15:13.760 I don't know how old you can. You might be 2363 02:15:13.800 --> 02:15:14.319 younger than me. 2364 02:15:14.359 --> 02:15:14.800 I don't know. 2365 02:15:15.319 --> 02:15:18.800 Oh, I don't know. I think I think it might 2366 02:15:18.840 --> 02:15:31.039 be a scooch younger. Yeah, I'm thirteen, uh like forty. 2367 02:15:31.079 --> 02:15:33.239 Don't let the hair style fool you. 2368 02:15:33.880 --> 02:15:38.640 So you Yeah, he's younger than me. I'm forty five. Yeah, 2369 02:15:38.720 --> 02:15:39.119 all of. 2370 02:15:39.039 --> 02:15:41.359 The Ultimate Quad. Now let's move on to the next. 2371 02:15:41.199 --> 02:15:45.319 Colbic combined, we could meet match David's age, right. 2372 02:15:45.520 --> 02:15:47.479 Well, if you want to match David's age, you know 2373 02:15:47.560 --> 02:15:49.920 the story about Adam and Eve, right means. 2374 02:15:52.760 --> 02:15:54.199 I wrote the first Hiero glyphic. 2375 02:15:54.239 --> 02:16:02.119 Okay, we cut up on each other. That's how we are. 2376 02:16:02.760 --> 02:16:04.000 That's great. That was awesome. 2377 02:16:06.840 --> 02:16:07.479 I'll tell you what. 2378 02:16:07.520 --> 02:16:10.319 Before we get out of here, keV, I want to 2379 02:16:10.319 --> 02:16:13.880 give you the last words. I mean, anything you want 2380 02:16:13.880 --> 02:16:16.560 to throw out there, share with the audience, anything you 2381 02:16:16.600 --> 02:16:19.720 want them to know, anything like anything you might have 2382 02:16:19.840 --> 02:16:21.520 coming up that you want them to know about. 2383 02:16:21.600 --> 02:16:21.960 It will. 2384 02:16:22.279 --> 02:16:24.359 So I'm going to turn it over to you before 2385 02:16:24.359 --> 02:16:25.199 we jump off here. 2386 02:16:25.920 --> 02:16:28.319 Sure, well, before I do that, you know, thank you 2387 02:16:28.439 --> 02:16:30.439 Daniel and David and Milissa, great to meet you. Thank 2388 02:16:30.479 --> 02:16:33.559 you for having me on the show. Definitely would love 2389 02:16:33.559 --> 02:16:35.520 to come back, and I'll definitely hit you up if 2390 02:16:35.559 --> 02:16:38.879 I'm in Virginia, Daniel. I think that would be phenomenal. 2391 02:16:38.879 --> 02:16:42.159 I would, you know, mark something off from the East Coast, 2392 02:16:42.200 --> 02:16:44.079 which I'm trying to get to. As far as things 2393 02:16:44.079 --> 02:16:47.520 that I have kind of on the radar again, kind 2394 02:16:47.559 --> 02:16:53.239 of this you know, middle young teen book that I'm 2395 02:16:53.239 --> 02:16:57.959 working on was it real or not? And there was 2396 02:16:58.040 --> 02:17:01.040 also the movie script been working out. But then you 2397 02:17:01.040 --> 02:17:06.159 can follow me on pine Shadow design It's on Instagram. 2398 02:17:06.280 --> 02:17:09.680 I also have a Etsy shop called pine Shadow Designs 2399 02:17:10.760 --> 02:17:14.520 to try to correlate those two. By all means, if 2400 02:17:14.520 --> 02:17:16.360 you again, if you have middles in your life or 2401 02:17:16.479 --> 02:17:21.799 children in your life, while please grab a book Billy 2402 02:17:21.799 --> 02:17:26.319 Finds Bigfoot. It's a very very nice read. Did all 2403 02:17:26.319 --> 02:17:28.840 the illustrations, did the you know was the author of it? 2404 02:17:29.000 --> 02:17:35.879 So please check that out. 2405 02:17:36.360 --> 02:17:41.639 Sorry, thank you, Robert, I appreciate that. Letting David a 2406 02:17:41.719 --> 02:17:49.520 secretly a survivor from ATLANDA. Oh there's no replacement from experience. 2407 02:17:49.559 --> 02:17:56.159 Okay, real quick, everybody, I want to remind everybody a 2408 02:17:56.159 --> 02:17:58.399 lot of you guys, there's a lot of a good 2409 02:17:58.440 --> 02:17:59.959 group of people that's been on the Life Chat. 2410 02:18:00.079 --> 02:18:01.079 It came on a little later. 2411 02:18:01.879 --> 02:18:04.639 I highly recommend you guys go back and watch this 2412 02:18:04.799 --> 02:18:08.840 and listen from the very beginning. Also, be sure to 2413 02:18:08.840 --> 02:18:12.239 click the description of this podcast, uh, because you know, 2414 02:18:12.959 --> 02:18:17.959 Kevin's got a book called Billy Finds Bigfoot, and uh 2415 02:18:18.120 --> 02:18:20.760 the description for that is in there. So if you've 2416 02:18:20.760 --> 02:18:25.200 got children, even adults, I mean, I think I would 2417 02:18:25.239 --> 02:18:28.079 find that, you know, fascinating. I would buy it for myself, 2418 02:18:28.280 --> 02:18:30.200 you know, of course I'll share reading with my grandson, 2419 02:18:30.319 --> 02:18:30.479 you know. 2420 02:18:30.559 --> 02:18:33.120 So you know, so check this description. 2421 02:18:33.239 --> 02:18:36.639 The link is in the description for his book called 2422 02:18:36.680 --> 02:18:41.840 Billy Finds Bigfoot, So so check that out and hopefully, 2423 02:18:42.000 --> 02:18:44.239 you know, hopefully Kevin will come back and join us 2424 02:18:44.280 --> 02:18:45.600 again in the future, you know. 2425 02:18:46.840 --> 02:18:49.479 So if you if you're listening to this on the rerun, excellent. 2426 02:18:49.719 --> 02:18:52.879 We're also on eastboor Bigfoot Radio found on any of 2427 02:18:52.879 --> 02:18:55.600 your favorite podcast platform so uh. 2428 02:18:56.239 --> 02:18:58.760 So, next time, guys, we really appreciate you tuning in. 2429 02:18:59.239 --> 02:19:00.520 Make sure you still fribe. 2430 02:19:01.520 --> 02:19:11.719 Keep it squatchy, m Thank you all right, thanks so yeah, 2431 02:19:11.760 --> 02:19:16.079 Brol you gotta have a good night and keeping squatchy. Everyone, 2432 02:19:16.959 --> 02:19:17.399 all right,