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<v Speaker 1>This episode MA contained content of a graphic nature, including

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<v Speaker 1>descriptions of physical and sexual violence against adults, children, and animals.

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<v Speaker 1>Listener discretion is advised.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, this is Tanya. Hi this is Shannon, and we

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<v Speaker 2>are Crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>And Consequences, a hardcore true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey Shannon, Hey Tanya, how you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>I am doing pretty good.

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<v Speaker 3>It's Saturday. I can't complain.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's so sunny out. Did you check out how

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<v Speaker 2>it's coming off the snow. I love it? Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so bright, I do, and it gives me hope.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the gray summer days are the worst, but

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<v Speaker 1>my goodness, it just feels like angels are singing when

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<v Speaker 1>the sun is out right.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, it's that chorus hell.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm waiting again for my Amazon package today.

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<v Speaker 4>I I've decided I'm going to do my nails.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I am a cosmetologist, so I don't

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<v Speaker 2>get all of the nail supplies. How I would do

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<v Speaker 2>Like if I go get them done, I get just

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<v Speaker 2>what I need to make them look nice should they

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<v Speaker 2>ever be seen. And so I'm excited.

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<v Speaker 4>So this girl's getting her nails did today. I'm at home. Ye,

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<v Speaker 4>little self care, Little self care.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>So I have a really horrendous story for us today.

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<v Speaker 1>But before I started, I just would like to remind

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<v Speaker 1>everyone to hit the subscriber follow button on whatever app

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<v Speaker 1>you're listening to. And today's story takes place in Richmond, Virginia,

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<v Speaker 1>And our story takes place on January first, two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and six.

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<v Speaker 3>That's where we're going to start. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>On that day, Ricky Gray, his nephew, Ray Dandridge, and

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<v Speaker 1>Ashley Baskerville, who was Ricky's girlfriend. They were cruising the

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<v Speaker 1>streets of Richmond in Ricky's van during the mid morning

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<v Speaker 1>of New Year's Day two thousand and six, looking for

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<v Speaker 1>a house to rob. When they ended up in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle class neighborhood of Woodland Heights, Ricky and Ray came

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<v Speaker 1>upon the house of the Harvey family. The Harvey family

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<v Speaker 1>consisted of forty nine year old Brian, who was the

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<v Speaker 1>former frontman and guitarist of the eighties indie band House

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<v Speaker 1>of Freaks. Brian had settled down in the Richmond area

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<v Speaker 1>after growing disillusioned with the music industry and just a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit about Brian, his voice was compared to a

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<v Speaker 1>southern John Lennon. The House of Freaks was actually like

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<v Speaker 1>said to be inspiration for later bands such as The White.

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<v Speaker 3>Stripes or the Black Keys.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Notice.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The House of Freaks released five albums and in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety two they had a radio hit named a Rocking

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<v Speaker 1>Chair and they ended up disbanding that same year. Also

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<v Speaker 1>part of the Harvey family was thirty nine year old Catherine.

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<v Speaker 1>She was the co owner of a local toy store.

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<v Speaker 1>It was called World of Mirth and it was located

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<v Speaker 1>in Richmond. It was quite successful, and she was also

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<v Speaker 1>the half sister of actor Stephen Coult And if you

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<v Speaker 1>google Stephen callp and you see his face, you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>recognize him. He's one of those guys that's in a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>You just don't know his name, right. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>They had two daughters, Stella, who was nine, and Ruby,

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<v Speaker 1>who was four. Ricky and Ray discovered that the door

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<v Speaker 1>to the Harvey's home was ajar, so they entered the home.

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<v Speaker 1>Once inside, they forced Catherine, Brian and Ruby into the basement.

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<v Speaker 1>Stella wasn't home at the time when Ricky and Ray

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<v Speaker 1>entered the house, so in the basement, Ricky assured the

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<v Speaker 1>three family members that he and Ray were just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>leave after they took what they wanted from the home.

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<v Speaker 1>Ricky then used electrical cords to tie Bryan's wrists behind

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<v Speaker 1>his back and bind his ankles together. So Ricky and Ray,

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<v Speaker 1>they were both twenty nine at the time, they were dropouts,

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<v Speaker 1>drug addicts, X cons and small time thebes, as well

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<v Speaker 1>as childhood victims of unimaginable sexual abuse. Okay, so I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna end up telling you a little bit more about that.

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<v Speaker 1>But before Ricky and Ray could plunder the house, they

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<v Speaker 1>heard a noise upstairs on the home's main level. Kirsten Perkinson,

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<v Speaker 1>who was a family friend, had arrived at the Harvey's

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<v Speaker 1>home to deliver the Harvey's daughter Stella, along with her

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<v Speaker 1>own daughter Grace Lynn, from a slumber party the previous evening.

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<v Speaker 3>So hearing the.

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<v Speaker 1>Commotion, Catherine explained to Ricky that her daughter had returned

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<v Speaker 1>from a slumber party, so he permitted Catherine to go

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<v Speaker 1>upstairs to bring her daughter downstairs to the basement. Kirsten

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<v Speaker 1>heard Katherine running up the stairs from the basement, and

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<v Speaker 1>upon reaching the top of the stairs, she appeared to

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<v Speaker 1>what Kirsten said, she looked pale and ashen. Stella ran

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<v Speaker 1>past her mom and down the stairs into the basement,

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<v Speaker 1>but Catherine blocked Graceland's path so he wouldn't follow Stella

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<v Speaker 1>down the stairs. Catherine told Kirsten that she didn't feel well,

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<v Speaker 1>so Kirsten and grace Lynn left the house.

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<v Speaker 3>Close call.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me just tell you totally if she's a hero,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even know how. It sounds like it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to end horribly.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, as our stories always do. Right, Yes, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean that was really I know. I feel like if

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<v Speaker 1>only they had like a signal worked out between them,

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<v Speaker 1>some winks and some blinks or something, right, Yeah, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>weren't of danger or something. So downstairs, Ricky bound the

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<v Speaker 1>hands and feet of all the Harvey's and placed clear

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<v Speaker 1>packing tape over their mouths, but again he assured them

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<v Speaker 1>that everything was going to be okay. Ricky and Ray

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<v Speaker 1>then began collecting the items from the home that they

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<v Speaker 1>intended to Stealine attempted to comfort her distraught daughters, and

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<v Speaker 1>she told Ricky that he should take whatever he wants

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<v Speaker 1>and just leave. But suddenly, when they're downstairs in the basement,

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<v Speaker 1>Ricky took out a razor knife and cut Catherine's throat

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<v Speaker 1>and then cut the throat of the young girls and

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<v Speaker 1>Brian when I know it was like completely unnecessary. When

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<v Speaker 1>Ricky saw that his victims were still moving, he saw

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<v Speaker 1>a nearby claw hammer and began repeatedly beating each of

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<v Speaker 1>the Harvey's in the head. When they stopped moving, Ricky

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<v Speaker 1>poured two bottles of wine on an easel in the

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<v Speaker 1>basement and lit a match, starting the fire. Ricky and

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<v Speaker 1>Ray then left the burning home with the items they

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<v Speaker 1>had stolen so they get away. A man named John HoTT,

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<v Speaker 1>who was a family friend of the Harvey's and former

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<v Speaker 1>drummer for the House of Freaks, arrived at the Harvey's

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<v Speaker 1>home for a New Year's Day party about one forty.

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<v Speaker 1>He noticed smoke coming from the house and he immediately

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<v Speaker 1>ran to a neighbor's home and called nine one one.

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<v Speaker 1>Firefighters responding to a call that the Harvey's home was burning,

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<v Speaker 1>discovered the bodies of Catherine and Ruby in the basement

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<v Speaker 1>as they attempted to fight the fire. The house was

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<v Speaker 1>had zero visibility and a lot of heat. Soon after,

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<v Speaker 1>the firefighters removed the bodies of Catherine and Ruby from

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<v Speaker 1>the basement, they determined that the body showed evidence of

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<v Speaker 1>quote unquote battle signs and the victim's legs had been found.

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<v Speaker 1>At that point, the firefighters stopped their rescue efforts and

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<v Speaker 1>summoned the police. Detective Dwyer of the Richmond Police Department

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<v Speaker 1>then discovered Stella in the basement under a futon, with

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<v Speaker 1>her hands behind her back and tape around her mouth.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian was discovered on the floor of the basement with

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<v Speaker 1>orange electrical cord wrapped around his wrists and feet, with

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<v Speaker 1>melted tape around his face and a large wound to

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<v Speaker 1>his neck area. Detective Dyer also found two claw hammers,

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<v Speaker 1>two broken wine bottles, a knife handle, and a separate

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<v Speaker 1>knife blade in the basement, and autopsy revealed that Brian

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<v Speaker 1>had been cut eight times in his neck and underneath

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<v Speaker 1>his chin. In those wounds, although they were quote unquote

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<v Speaker 1>very painful, were not immediately fatal. His mouth had been

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<v Speaker 1>gagged and taped. Six lacerations were made to the left

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<v Speaker 1>side and back of Brian's skull, each caused by blows

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<v Speaker 1>from a hammer. He experienced severe third degree burns to

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<v Speaker 1>his skin, and Brian died from the wounds to a

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<v Speaker 1>skull through that blunt force trauma. Catherine had been cut

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<v Speaker 1>three times in her neck and chest, once in her back,

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<v Speaker 1>and those wounds caused bleeding and pain but were not fatal.

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<v Speaker 1>Multiple lacerations were made to her skull as a result

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<v Speaker 1>of blows from a hammer, and the hammer blows caused

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<v Speaker 1>a fracture to the slate above Catherine's eyes, resulting and

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<v Speaker 1>bleeding behind her eyes, and Catherine died from the blunt

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<v Speaker 1>force injuries to her head. Ruby's throat had been sliced

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<v Speaker 1>through to her trachea and Ruby's four mind you Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>a wound that was not fatal but obstructed her breathing.

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<v Speaker 1>Her head was also fractured and cut, causing brain tissue

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<v Speaker 1>to exude from her skull. She had also been stabbed

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<v Speaker 1>in the back with enough force that the knife had

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<v Speaker 1>passed through her ribs and into her lungs. Ruby died

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<v Speaker 1>from the blunt force injuries to her head and the

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<v Speaker 1>stab injury to her lungs. Stella's neck had been cut

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<v Speaker 1>six times, with the stab wounds having penetrated her trachea

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<v Speaker 1>and esophagus, and she's nine. Stella's head was also bludgeoned

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<v Speaker 1>by a hammer, causing brain tissue to exude from her skull.

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<v Speaker 1>She died from a combination of smoke inhalation, carbon monoxide poisoning,

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<v Speaker 1>and blunt force injury to her head. Forensic evidence showed

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<v Speaker 1>that the knife blade recovered from the Harvey's home he

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<v Speaker 1>had traces of blood from Catherine Stella, Ruby and Brian.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian and Stella's DNA was discovered on the shaft of

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<v Speaker 1>one of the recovered hammers, and Catherine's DNA was identified

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<v Speaker 1>on the handle of the other hammer. Less than a

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<v Speaker 1>week later, Richmond police received a tip that Ricky was

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<v Speaker 1>a suspect in the murders.

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<v Speaker 3>A member of the.

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<v Speaker 1>Richmond Police Department contacted the Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Police Department, requesting

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<v Speaker 1>they investigate a location where Ricky may be staying and

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<v Speaker 1>to be on the lookout for a particular vehicle believed

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<v Speaker 1>to be related to.

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<v Speaker 3>The Harvey murders.

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<v Speaker 1>In the early morning hours of January seventh, two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and six, Philadelphia Police obtained a search warrant and a

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<v Speaker 1>SWAT team entered the location where Ricky was suspected to

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<v Speaker 1>be staying and found him in the basement. He was

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<v Speaker 1>arrested and he was advised of his Miranda Rights. After

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<v Speaker 1>learning that Ray was also being questioned, he asked the

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<v Speaker 1>Philadelphia Police quote, can I tell you my side of

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<v Speaker 1>the story?

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<v Speaker 3>End quote. Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>As part of a signed confession, Ricky described in detail

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<v Speaker 1>how he and Ray entered the Harvey's home and attacked them,

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<v Speaker 1>in which he stated, quote, it was a real nasty scene.

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<v Speaker 1>How am I supposed to explain something like what happened?

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<v Speaker 1>I started cutting their throats and they kept getting up

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<v Speaker 1>and they were scaring me. I remember seeing the hammer

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<v Speaker 1>them all with the hammer.

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<v Speaker 3>All I know is nobody.

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<v Speaker 1>Was moving when I left out of there end quote.

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<v Speaker 1>He admitted that Ray spent most of his time searching

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<v Speaker 1>the home for items to steal, and that only he

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<v Speaker 1>used the hammers to attack the Harvey's. So he pleads

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<v Speaker 1>not guilty.

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<v Speaker 2>That he pleads not guilty.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so there's a trial.

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<v Speaker 1>He stipulated at trial that Brian's wedding ring, as well

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<v Speaker 1>as a cookie plate and a basket from the Harvey's

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<v Speaker 1>home were discovered in a location that he provided to police,

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<v Speaker 1>and police also recovered from him a computer stone from

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<v Speaker 1>the Harvey's home. He also stipulated that the boots found

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<v Speaker 1>important because Brian and Stell's bloodstains were discovered on the boots. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>the Commonwealth, because this takes place in Virginia, also introduced

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<v Speaker 1>photographs of the dead bodies as exhibits during the trial,

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<v Speaker 1>and the jury was permitted.

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<v Speaker 1>So, after four days of trial, the jury returned a

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<v Speaker 1>verdict of guilty as to all five capital murder counts,

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<v Speaker 1>and the jury deliberated for thirty minutes, and then.

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<v Speaker 2>Good good, And in case.

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<v Speaker 1>You're wondering what happened to Ray, he initially pleaded not

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<v Speaker 1>without the possibility of parole. So this episode's going to

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<v Speaker 1>ninety six, distribution of cocaine in two thousand, and possession

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<v Speaker 1>violent crimes in the past. Lieutenant Daniel Stanek of the

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<v Speaker 1>City of Washington, Pennsylvania Police Department, he testified about the

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<v Speaker 1>discovery of Ricky's wife's body. Her name was Triva on

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<v Speaker 1>November fifth, two thousand and five. Ricky was questioned at

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<v Speaker 1>the time, but was not arrested for her murder. After

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<v Speaker 1>his arrest for the murder of the Harveys in January

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and six, he also confessed to killing his wife,

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<v Speaker 1>Treva Gray. She was thirty five years old, and Ray

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<v Speaker 1>helped him murder Triva. Ray held her down.

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<v Speaker 3>While Ricky beat her to death with a lead pipe.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Her body was found in a shallow grave on Brookside

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<v Speaker 1>She and twenty eight year old Ricky had been married

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<v Speaker 1>for six months before he killed her. Treva fought hard

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<v Speaker 1>but the police initially didn't investigate her death like I

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<v Speaker 1>Before they were arrested, John he had taken a month

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<v Speaker 1>be coming for him, his wife, and their three grandsons.

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<v Speaker 1>Detective William Bretton of the Richmond Police Department described how

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<v Speaker 1>also on January first, two thousand and six, this is

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<v Speaker 1>the day that they killed the Harveys, detective learned of

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<v Speaker 1>another set of murders committed in Richmond. Executing a search warrant,

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<v Speaker 1>police discovered the dead bodies of fifty five year old

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<v Speaker 1>percl Tucker, his forty six year old wife Mary, and

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<v Speaker 1>Mary's twenty one year old daughter, Ashley Baskerville. They were

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<v Speaker 1>around looking for a house to rob.

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<v Speaker 3>Earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>The police identified Ashley as an accomplice in the Harvey

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<v Speaker 1>murders because she was the lookout while the robbery murders occurred,

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<v Speaker 1>and then she was actually a participant in the robbery

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>During that crime, Ashley posed as a victim alongside her

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Darrenchrelka, a medical examiner, testified that the autopsy revealed

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<v Speaker 1>Perciel's head had been covered with saran wrap, with a

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<v Speaker 1>sock stuffed into his mouth and duct tape shut. Perciell

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<v Speaker 1>probably struggled for several minutes before he died from suffocation.

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<v Speaker 1>Mary's mouth had been gagged with duct tape over her eyes,

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<v Speaker 1>her neck and chest had been cut four times. Mary

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<v Speaker 1>struggled several minutes before she.

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<v Speaker 3>Died from suffocation.

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<v Speaker 1>Ashley was found with a plastic shopping bag over her

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<v Speaker 1>head and taped to her neck with duct tape. Her

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<v Speaker 1>face was wrapped in duct tape and a sock with

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<v Speaker 3>From suffocation. What a fucking way to go.

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<v Speaker 2>These assholes are monsters right to go out on a

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<v Speaker 2>spree in anything. I mean, it doesn't even matter. Fucking

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<v Speaker 2>beat someone with a pipe and I know it as

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<v Speaker 2>a point honestly time, I don't give a fuck about

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<v Speaker 2>what your childhood was about. I do not fucking care.

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<v Speaker 2>It does not excuse this. I know you're gonna want

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<v Speaker 2>well I was hurt, yeah, I know we all are,

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<v Speaker 2>so don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Right and wrong?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Ricky's vehicle was discovered three blocks from the Tucker's home,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Tucker's stolen vehicle was located in Philadelphia, where

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<v Speaker 1>he was arrested. So he eventually, like I told you,

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<v Speaker 1>confessed to murdering the Tucker family, and Brian Harvey's wedding

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<v Speaker 1>band was found with Ashley's body. She was actually wearing it,

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<v Speaker 1>that's where it was. Police also learned that Ricky assaulted

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<v Speaker 1>a man in Arlington, Virginia on New Year's Eve two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and five, So the day before these murders happened,

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<v Speaker 1>he assaulted this man and it was twenty six year

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<v Speaker 1>old Ryan Carrey. At the sentencing phase of Ricky's trial,

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<v Speaker 1>mister Carey testified that he arrived at his parents' home

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<v Speaker 1>after work on December thirty first.

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<v Speaker 3>And he was attacked by two men.

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<v Speaker 1>He was forced to the ground and stabbed multiple times.

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<v Speaker 1>Ryan escaped the assault and rushed to his father's home

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<v Speaker 1>covered in blood. Ryan's father contacted emergency personnel who took

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<v Speaker 1>Ryan to the hospital where his condition was stabilized. He

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<v Speaker 1>he survived. He was able to return home, although he

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<v Speaker 3>Right arm permanently.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow Ricky confessed to assaulting Ryan with ray and stipulated

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<v Speaker 3>Was found on his boots.

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<v Speaker 1>Also testifying at the penalley phase of the trial were

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Harvey, who was Brian Harvey's older brother, and Stephen Coult,

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<v Speaker 1>the man that I mentioned that was the actor Catherine's

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<v Speaker 1>older brother. Each described a loving relationship with their sibling

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<v Speaker 1>and devastating grief and the emotional impact of the murders

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<v Speaker 1>that they had on them upon them and they extended families.

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<v Speaker 1>So Ricky offers evidence into mitigation, including his mother's testimony

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<v Speaker 1>describing his childhood and home life. His mother was named

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<v Speaker 1>Barbara Mowten, and she discovered how she established a connection

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<v Speaker 1>a baby. She later married Ellsworth and moved with him

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<v Speaker 1>to Maryland along with their two children and two of

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<v Speaker 1>Ellsworth's children from another relationship. In school, Ricky struggled to

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<v Speaker 1>and he received spankings with a horse strap from Ellsworth

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<v Speaker 1>yeah when the school reported Ricky was disruptive in class.

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<v Speaker 1>She Assel told of how Ricky wet himself most nights

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<v Speaker 1>until he was about thirteen, and that resulted in beatings

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<v Speaker 1>from Ellsworth. She described instances of sexual abuse of two

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<v Speaker 1>of the children, and it was Ricky and his sister

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<v Speaker 1>by a friend of Ellsworth. Ricky's mom said the Army

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<v Speaker 1>transferred her for a year to the state of Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>but Ricky remained in Maryland with his father and stepbrother

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<v Speaker 1>and his sister. During that time, Ellsworth became a cocaine addict.

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<v Speaker 1>Upon Mary's return from Washington, she also learned that Ellsworth's son, Fitzgerald,

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<v Speaker 1>had been sexually abusing Ricky, although he refused to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the abuse with his mom. Later, Ellsworth was arrested

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<v Speaker 1>and jailed and drug charges. She then moved the family

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<v Speaker 1>to Pennsylvania for a new start, and Ricky left home

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<v Speaker 1>when he was seventeen. Ricky's sister Ava also testified about

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<v Speaker 1>repeated instances of sexual abuse upon her and Ricky by Fitzgerald.

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<v Speaker 1>She also described him being victimized by Fitzgerald when he

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<v Speaker 1>thing over the course of seven years. She also testified

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<v Speaker 1>that Ricky started to use drugs when he was thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>and was a user of marijuana, cocaine, and PCP.

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<v Speaker 2>PCP, PCP, Where do you get your hair out of

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<v Speaker 2>fucking choices? Oh my gosh, PCP. We've heard the stories

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<v Speaker 2>sexual abuse. Yeah, definitely can lead to crime and a

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<v Speaker 2>plethora of other things. But here's something that I have

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<v Speaker 2>never you had a fucking seek out PCP. Are you

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<v Speaker 2>been kidding me? That's not on your menu. I can

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<v Speaker 2>see your crack, your coke, your whatever, your basic street drugs.

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<v Speaker 2>But PCP, Mmm, you wanted to destruct and you wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to destroy because no one, that's not a fun drug

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<v Speaker 2>to be on. The one story I heard the one

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<v Speaker 2>woman she I think they killed someone and then ate

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<v Speaker 2>some of their flesh, and they would say, I would

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<v Speaker 2>never have done that, And I smoke a little weed

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<v Speaker 2>now and again, never on.

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<v Speaker 4>Any kind of the PCP. You don't fuck with you kidding.

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<v Speaker 2>It's crazy, right, Oh my gosh, Yeah, Oh he did

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<v Speaker 2>PC yeah, PCP. Then he was looking for it. He

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<v Speaker 2>was looking for trouble. You're looking for trouble when you

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<v Speaker 2>do drugs, and you'll find it to me as a

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<v Speaker 2>whole other level, like no weaving way I know.

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<v Speaker 1>Also presented as mitigating evidence was the videotaped deposition of

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<v Speaker 1>doctor David Lysik, a psychologist and expert on the impact

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<v Speaker 1>of child abuse and the relationship between earlier trauma and

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<v Speaker 1>the perpetration of violence. Doctor Lysik offered his opinion on

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<v Speaker 1>the general effect of early childhood abuse. He also presented

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<v Speaker 1>the opinion of doctor Mark Cunningham, who was a clinical

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<v Speaker 1>and forensic psychologist, who opined that Ricky was quote likely

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<v Speaker 1>to make a positive adjustment to prison or an adjustment

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<v Speaker 1>that is free of serious violence. Doctor Cunningham's conclusions were

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<v Speaker 1>into trouble in prison is only about half as much

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<v Speaker 1>continues to fall steadily across the lifespan end quote. Doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Cunningham noted Ricky's history of incarceration and how he had

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<v Speaker 1>avoided violent encounters in prison, how he had used his

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<v Speaker 1>prison time to earn a ged, and how he had

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<v Speaker 1>earned additional education, including courses on sheet metal business and

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<v Speaker 1>electrical work. In response to Ricky's mitigating evidence, the Commonwealth

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<v Speaker 1>produced the testimony of Officer James Jonas of the Philadelphia

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<v Speaker 1>Police Department, who tested about the search and Ricky's arrest

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<v Speaker 1>on January seventh, two thousand and six. Officer Jonas explained

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<v Speaker 1>he discovered Ricky hiding in an unlit basement, crouched behind

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<v Speaker 1>at him when he asked to show his hands, and

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<v Speaker 1>that Ricky had refused to show one of his hands,

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<v Speaker 1>which Officer Jonas identified as a potentially threatening gesture. Officer

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<v Speaker 1>Jonas explained how in the attempt to secure Ricky, Ricky punched.

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<v Speaker 3>Him and resisted arrest.

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<v Speaker 1>Ricky also assaulted Officer Jonas's partner and attempted to grab

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<v Speaker 1>the officer's gun. After multiple punches were exchanged, the officers

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<v Speaker 1>were eventually able to secure and handcuff Ricky. Ricky was

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<v Speaker 1>eventually also indicted in December of two thousand and six

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<v Speaker 1>for the murder of Sheryl Warner, who was found shot

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<v Speaker 1>and hanged with an electrical cord in her basement. The

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<v Speaker 1>her home that had been set on fire.

425
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<v Speaker 2>Like yeah, that's.

426
00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:06.720
<v Speaker 1>Ricky pleaded not guilty, and the charges were eventually suspended

427
00:24:06.759 --> 00:24:09.480
<v Speaker 1>in June two thousand and eight due to contradictory evidence.

428
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<v Speaker 3>So I'm believing that the.

429
00:24:11.079 --> 00:24:16.839
<v Speaker 1>Prosecutor didn't feel like they had enough evidence to continue. So,

430
00:24:16.880 --> 00:24:19.640
<v Speaker 1>as I told you, Ricky gets convicted, he gets sentenced

431
00:24:19.640 --> 00:24:22.960
<v Speaker 1>to death, and he tried several times to appeal his case,

432
00:24:23.279 --> 00:24:25.920
<v Speaker 1>and in twenty sixteen at the Supreme Court, he did

433
00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:28.640
<v Speaker 1>appeal to the Supreme Court and they declined to hear

434
00:24:28.680 --> 00:24:32.440
<v Speaker 1>his case. After his execution was stayed in March twenty

435
00:24:32.519 --> 00:24:34.359
<v Speaker 1>sixteen to allow for that appeal.

436
00:24:34.640 --> 00:24:36.119
<v Speaker 3>His lawyers tried to argue that the.

437
00:24:36.119 --> 00:24:40.079
<v Speaker 1>Lethal injection, which was the execution means in Virginia, amounted

438
00:24:40.119 --> 00:24:45.200
<v Speaker 1>to cruel and unusual punishment, violating Ricky's constitutional rights. One

439
00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:47.440
<v Speaker 1>of the biggest points of their argument was that one

440
00:24:47.440 --> 00:24:50.920
<v Speaker 1>of the drugs that was being used, called mita zolam,

441
00:24:51.599 --> 00:24:55.680
<v Speaker 1>equated to chemical torture and that a firing squad would

442
00:24:55.680 --> 00:24:59.839
<v Speaker 1>have been more humane. Prior to his execution day, Virginian's

443
00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:03.759
<v Speaker 1>Alternatives to the Death Penalty released an eighteen minute video

444
00:25:03.839 --> 00:25:07.680
<v Speaker 1>which was created by Ricky's legal team, where Ricky expressed

445
00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:11.359
<v Speaker 1>apologies for the deaths of the Harvey family. In the

446
00:25:11.400 --> 00:25:15.079
<v Speaker 1>beginning of the video, Ricky states, quote, I've stolen something

447
00:25:15.079 --> 00:25:18.160
<v Speaker 1>from the world. It's never left my mind because I

448
00:25:18.279 --> 00:25:21.240
<v Speaker 1>understand exactly what I took from the world by looking

449
00:25:21.279 --> 00:25:24.400
<v Speaker 1>at my two sisters. I reminded each time I talk

450
00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:26.559
<v Speaker 1>and I see them that this is what I took

451
00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:29.640
<v Speaker 1>from the world. You know, the potential for greatness in

452
00:25:29.680 --> 00:25:30.400
<v Speaker 1>those kids.

453
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<v Speaker 3>End quote.

454
00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:37.319
<v Speaker 1>Eventually, he was executed on January eighteenth, twenty seventeen. His

455
00:25:37.519 --> 00:25:40.880
<v Speaker 1>final word was nope when asked if he had any

456
00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:46.000
<v Speaker 1>final words, and he declined a final meal. An independent expert,

457
00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:51.640
<v Speaker 1>doctor Mark Edgar, analyzed Ricky's autopsy after his death. Doctor Edgar,

458
00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:54.759
<v Speaker 1>who was the Associate director of Bone and Soft Tissue

459
00:25:54.799 --> 00:25:58.839
<v Speaker 1>Pathology at the emer University School of Medicine, stated Ricky

460
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<v Speaker 1>had an acute pulmonary edema during his execution, with liquid

461
00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:06.960
<v Speaker 1>in his upper airways and blood entered his lungs before death.

462
00:26:07.880 --> 00:26:12.160
<v Speaker 1>He said, quote. The anatomic changes described in Ricky Gray's

463
00:26:12.200 --> 00:26:14.640
<v Speaker 1>lungs are more often seen in the aftermath of a

464
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<v Speaker 1>sarin gas attack than in a routine hospital autopsy. The

465
00:26:19.079 --> 00:26:22.200
<v Speaker 1>way of dying is intolerable. You can't control your breathing,

466
00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:25.599
<v Speaker 1>and when this is severe, you can experience panic and terror.

467
00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:28.400
<v Speaker 1>And if the individual was in any way aware of

468
00:26:28.400 --> 00:26:30.599
<v Speaker 1>what was happening to them, it would be unbearable.

469
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<v Speaker 3>End quote.

470
00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:36.799
<v Speaker 1>He pointed to that drug mida lozam, which is a sedative.

471
00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:41.519
<v Speaker 1>It's meant to cause unconsciousness during the execution, but it's

472
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<v Speaker 1>actually used in medical procedures as a low level sedation

473
00:26:46.319 --> 00:26:51.640
<v Speaker 1>because it doesn't cause full unconsciousness. Okay, Ray Dandridge is

474
00:26:51.680 --> 00:26:55.680
<v Speaker 1>still serving his sentence at the Sussex to State Prison

475
00:26:55.880 --> 00:26:59.839
<v Speaker 1>in Virginia. He's currently forty eight. I'm going to end

476
00:26:59.839 --> 00:27:02.200
<v Speaker 1>this on a more positive note though, and say that

477
00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:05.920
<v Speaker 1>there have been many philanthropic causes that came out.

478
00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:07.119
<v Speaker 3>Of the Harvey's deaths.

479
00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:11.759
<v Speaker 1>The Brian and Catherine Harvey Family Memorial Endowment it provides music,

480
00:27:12.039 --> 00:27:15.839
<v Speaker 1>visual art, and performing arts and Richmond in the Richmond area,

481
00:27:16.400 --> 00:27:19.920
<v Speaker 1>which may include, but is not limited to, educational scholarships.

482
00:27:20.799 --> 00:27:25.720
<v Speaker 1>Ruby's Preschool, the second Presbyterian Childcare Center in Richmond, had

483
00:27:25.759 --> 00:27:29.079
<v Speaker 1>an annual run in which donations were used to sponsor

484
00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:32.319
<v Speaker 1>other children at the school, like pay their costs.

485
00:27:32.759 --> 00:27:32.880
<v Speaker 4>Right.

486
00:27:33.799 --> 00:27:35.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure if it's still going on, but it

487
00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:40.319
<v Speaker 1>happened at least four years. Stella's Elementary School, the William

488
00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:44.319
<v Speaker 1>Fox Elementary School in Richmond, dedicated its new children's garden

489
00:27:44.440 --> 00:27:48.079
<v Speaker 1>in her memory. The city of Richmond dedicated the Harvey

490
00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:51.720
<v Speaker 1>Family Memorial Bridge on September nineteenth, twenty ten, in the

491
00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:52.680
<v Speaker 1>Forest Hill Park.

492
00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:55.559
<v Speaker 4>Wow, that isn't story.

493
00:27:56.039 --> 00:28:00.640
<v Speaker 1>I always find like these death punty cases fascinating, and

494
00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:04.079
<v Speaker 1>it's because, like you said earlier, I don't give a

495
00:28:04.119 --> 00:28:08.200
<v Speaker 1>fuck how much the person suffers in their execution. I

496
00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:11.599
<v Speaker 1>really don't, because I think back like, I hope he

497
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:14.640
<v Speaker 1>was terrified. I'm saying this like and I know it's

498
00:28:14.680 --> 00:28:18.000
<v Speaker 1>probably some people are appalled, but I can only imagine

499
00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:22.000
<v Speaker 1>the terror that any member of the Harvey family experienced,

500
00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:25.599
<v Speaker 1>especially those children. And I don't know who was killed first.

501
00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:28.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it was Brian or Catherine or

502
00:28:28.480 --> 00:28:31.000
<v Speaker 1>the children. To me, it sounded like the parents were

503
00:28:31.039 --> 00:28:34.599
<v Speaker 1>murdered first. Can you imagine sitting there, tied up with

504
00:28:34.720 --> 00:28:36.920
<v Speaker 1>mouth on your face, and you're four years old and

505
00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:39.880
<v Speaker 1>you're watching somebody beat your parents and your sister to death.

506
00:28:40.039 --> 00:28:42.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know who, I don't know the order, but

507
00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:45.920
<v Speaker 1>those family members watched each other die a violent and

508
00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:48.160
<v Speaker 1>brutal death, and I'm sure.

509
00:28:47.960 --> 00:28:48.920
<v Speaker 3>They were terrified.

510
00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:50.160
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely.

511
00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:52.920
<v Speaker 1>I really don't have any sympathy for.

512
00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:57.920
<v Speaker 2>When you said that, Oh, they said that a firing

513
00:28:58.000 --> 00:29:02.359
<v Speaker 2>squad would be more whatever it fucking about, some electrical wire,

514
00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:06.599
<v Speaker 2>some dull knives and a claw hammer in twenty minutes,

515
00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:10.400
<v Speaker 2>that'll be more humane. If you want to talk about humanity,

516
00:29:10.759 --> 00:29:13.440
<v Speaker 2>you get humanity when you give humanity.

517
00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:15.759
<v Speaker 1>Or let's yeah, I have you do that, and then

518
00:29:15.799 --> 00:29:18.799
<v Speaker 1>you're not quite dead because one of the children died

519
00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:19.799
<v Speaker 1>from smoke in elation.

520
00:29:20.079 --> 00:29:22.160
<v Speaker 2>Yes that I Oh, we'll.

521
00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:25.240
<v Speaker 1>Just set something on fire next to your dying body. Also,

522
00:29:25.480 --> 00:29:27.240
<v Speaker 1>and let you experience.

523
00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:29.359
<v Speaker 2>That, so every second of your passing you are in

524
00:29:29.400 --> 00:29:32.359
<v Speaker 2>a terrified state of mind. As a child, I don't

525
00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:35.799
<v Speaker 2>give a fuck about your injection. Whoever your name is.

526
00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:39.240
<v Speaker 2>It's like, he's so disgusting, ricky whatever, I don't even

527
00:29:39.319 --> 00:29:42.039
<v Speaker 2>fucking care. I know stories like this.

528
00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:44.920
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's easy to say how sorry you are afterward.

529
00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:47.920
<v Speaker 1>He was twenty eight. Okay, he's not a kid, and

530
00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:50.079
<v Speaker 1>not that it would make any difference if he was,

531
00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:52.559
<v Speaker 1>you know, eighteen as opposed to twenty eight, but you've

532
00:29:52.599 --> 00:29:54.880
<v Speaker 1>lived a little bit when you're twenty eight, you know,

533
00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:58.680
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, his childhood was extremely fucked up, whether he

534
00:29:58.839 --> 00:30:03.000
<v Speaker 1>was you know, being abused physically, sexually, whatever it is,

535
00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:06.880
<v Speaker 1>and then spent life spiraling because he was taking drugs

536
00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:09.599
<v Speaker 1>to probably dull the pain in whatever choice.

537
00:30:09.799 --> 00:30:11.200
<v Speaker 4>Choice, choice choice.

538
00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:13.920
<v Speaker 2>That's what you're responsible for. Your choice here.

539
00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:16.960
<v Speaker 1>There's plenty of people in this world that, you know,

540
00:30:17.240 --> 00:30:22.319
<v Speaker 1>start off with horrible, horrendous childhoods, you know, physically, sexual

541
00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:25.599
<v Speaker 1>abuse everything, and become drug addicts, and they managed to

542
00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:28.200
<v Speaker 1>turn their lives around. You know, maybe not everyone, but.

543
00:30:28.839 --> 00:30:31.720
<v Speaker 2>There's a way out there, there's a way, the path

544
00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:34.519
<v Speaker 2>that you've chosen there's always going to be a way

545
00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:37.759
<v Speaker 2>to get off that path you chose to rock steady

546
00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:38.119
<v Speaker 2>on it.

547
00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:40.240
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so aria there.

548
00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:44.559
<v Speaker 2>And burn in hell. If you believe in hell, you're there.

549
00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:48.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I just And it's not only the Harvey family,

550
00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:51.119
<v Speaker 1>and I know that was a big focus on my story,

551
00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:55.759
<v Speaker 1>but it's also his wife. It's also Ashley and her

552
00:30:55.839 --> 00:30:59.960
<v Speaker 1>mom and her stepdad and then so that's eight people

553
00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:04.559
<v Speaker 1>right there, and then Ryan carry who got attacked. That's

554
00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:08.640
<v Speaker 1>nine people's lives. And thankfully Ryan made it out of live.

555
00:31:09.160 --> 00:31:11.279
<v Speaker 1>But eight people lost their lives for what.

556
00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:16.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, goal for a computer, for a laptop, for a ring?

557
00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:22.240
<v Speaker 2>What the fuck? Who you? I have just zero sympathy.

558
00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:24.640
<v Speaker 1>For any Yeah, and why couldn't you crying to me.

559
00:31:24.599 --> 00:31:27.960
<v Speaker 2>About how this about your childhood? I don't want to

560
00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:30.720
<v Speaker 2>hear it. We all come out with a cross to carry.

561
00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:32.359
<v Speaker 3>So figure it out one way or another.

562
00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:35.839
<v Speaker 1>Exactly right, And you know, you could have just robbed

563
00:31:35.839 --> 00:31:40.279
<v Speaker 1>the house and thank you, exactly left and he went

564
00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:42.480
<v Speaker 1>to Pennsylvania. It's not like he stuck around. They stuck

565
00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:45.079
<v Speaker 1>around in Virginia. So it's like you could have you

566
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:47.400
<v Speaker 1>could have left and probably gotten away with it.

567
00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:49.599
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I don't know. It was two thousand

568
00:31:49.640 --> 00:31:49.880
<v Speaker 3>and six.

569
00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:51.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how sophisticated they really and put out

570
00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:54.000
<v Speaker 1>an APB for somebody robbing a house and make it

571
00:31:54.039 --> 00:31:56.319
<v Speaker 1>and it makes its way to fucking Philadelphia or wherever.

572
00:31:57.640 --> 00:31:58.119
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

573
00:31:58.240 --> 00:32:01.640
<v Speaker 1>It just it really, it's stupid. It's a stupid crime.

574
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:06.160
<v Speaker 1>It's it's unnecessary. The level of violence that this family

575
00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:10.119
<v Speaker 1>and these other people all experienced, suffocating to death with

576
00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:13.400
<v Speaker 1>the fucking tape wrapped around your face and surandom and

577
00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:14.200
<v Speaker 1>then here's.

578
00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:15.200
<v Speaker 4>The attorney for him.

579
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:17.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's a little bit much.

580
00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:20.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this injection, that's a little much.

581
00:32:20.680 --> 00:32:21.720
<v Speaker 2>Is it a little much?

582
00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:22.759
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

583
00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, yeah, Oh it's cruel and unusual.

584
00:32:26.039 --> 00:32:28.319
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, oh, boy, cruel and unusual.

585
00:32:28.359 --> 00:32:30.759
<v Speaker 2>Well, that sounding to me like iye for an eye

586
00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:32.839
<v Speaker 2>kind of punishment, And if I can make it worse,

587
00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:37.039
<v Speaker 2>I would, right, Yeah, What could I do to you

588
00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:40.920
<v Speaker 2>that would fulfill any kind of satisfaction of what you took?

589
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:42.920
<v Speaker 4>That will never come back?

590
00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:47.279
<v Speaker 2>But you're here, get the fuck out of my sight, exactly.

591
00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:51.680
<v Speaker 1>I just for as liberal as I am, I don't

592
00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:53.359
<v Speaker 1>have any problem with the death penalty. The only I

593
00:32:53.920 --> 00:32:56.640
<v Speaker 1>have with the death penalty is that sometimes innocent people

594
00:32:57.279 --> 00:33:01.559
<v Speaker 1>really are convicted and then absolutely death And yeah, that's

595
00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:05.079
<v Speaker 1>when the death penalty is a bad thing and it's happened,

596
00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:08.559
<v Speaker 1>and we've done stories about it, and it's it's really

597
00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:11.079
<v Speaker 1>really tragic when that happens.

598
00:33:11.119 --> 00:33:13.839
<v Speaker 3>But like Ricky, he fucking confessed.

599
00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:16.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I like when then we were saying about his

600
00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:18.680
<v Speaker 2>when he was like, I don't know the next thing.

601
00:33:18.759 --> 00:33:22.680
<v Speaker 2>I know, I'm not stopping right, I don't like that.

602
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:26.079
<v Speaker 2>This crazy the devil, the devil man, I don't know.

603
00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:29.720
<v Speaker 2>The devils just overtook me. Oh you mean yourself. You're

604
00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:33.079
<v Speaker 2>both sides of the same coin, fucking idiot.

605
00:33:33.480 --> 00:33:33.759
<v Speaker 3>I know.

606
00:33:34.039 --> 00:33:37.599
<v Speaker 2>So I have not heard and actually I haven't even

607
00:33:37.640 --> 00:33:41.960
<v Speaker 2>heard of anybody being in a death penalty, Like you

608
00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:45.480
<v Speaker 2>know how they usually give an announcement like someone's about

609
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:48.839
<v Speaker 2>to be this evening or but a lot has happened

610
00:33:48.880 --> 00:33:51.759
<v Speaker 2>since two thousand and six, so I can I'm gonna

611
00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:54.279
<v Speaker 2>forgive myself for not being able to pull it from my.

612
00:33:54.279 --> 00:33:58.119
<v Speaker 1>Memory, right right, Yeah, I know. Plus I don't really

613
00:33:58.119 --> 00:34:00.480
<v Speaker 1>watch the news, so I'm sure I was in law

614
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:02.960
<v Speaker 1>school in two thousand and six, so I'm my whole

615
00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:04.160
<v Speaker 1>life is a blur from back then.

616
00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:09.039
<v Speaker 3>But it was just one big, long, horrible day.

617
00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:12.440
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, but that was a really good story, tie,

618
00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:15.519
<v Speaker 2>and I appreciate. I do like to know about them

619
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:18.280
<v Speaker 2>and then like, lets me know, I when I listen

620
00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:21.360
<v Speaker 2>to like our stories, I'm always surprised about what I

621
00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:24.199
<v Speaker 2>find about myself, you know, like, oh my gosh, I

622
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:28.239
<v Speaker 2>am so enraged on my own personal Like there's the

623
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:31.760
<v Speaker 2>physical walk and then your spiritual walk, and sometimes those

624
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:34.719
<v Speaker 2>two are hard to reconcile together.

625
00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:36.360
<v Speaker 3>Yes, you don't understand.

626
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:39.719
<v Speaker 2>So that's a lot of growth, and that's you know, I.

627
00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:42.440
<v Speaker 1>Do want to become that person that is like forgiving,

628
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:44.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, because a lot of these stories that we've done,

629
00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:47.480
<v Speaker 1>like family members who have who have had someone in

630
00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:50.679
<v Speaker 1>their family like murdered, and they'll they'll forgive the murderer.

631
00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:53.599
<v Speaker 3>I'm not there. I could not.

632
00:34:54.840 --> 00:34:58.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm a person. I'm not that spiritual of a person.

633
00:34:58.159 --> 00:35:00.000
<v Speaker 1>I guess where I can find it in my heart.

634
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:02.639
<v Speaker 1>And I think a lot of times people forgive because

635
00:35:02.639 --> 00:35:04.679
<v Speaker 1>they don't want that hate in their heart, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's a heavy burden to live with too.

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<v Speaker 2>It's insatiable. Hate is insatiable.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I could make it there. I

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<v Speaker 1>think the hate would probably consume me and probably destroy.

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<v Speaker 4>How it easily.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Oh it's ferocious, that hate appetite.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe one day I'll become you know, I'll be on

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<v Speaker 1>that spiritual plane where I'll be like, you know, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>they deserve forgiveness. But right now I'm like, no, he

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<v Speaker 1>deserved to suffer whatever he suffered in the probably three

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<v Speaker 1>minutes it took for him to die. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know for sure how long it took because I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't read that part. But whatever, if it took ten minutes,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't give a fuck.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I do not hear it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's irrelevant his Yeah, that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because it sure took a lot longer than ten minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure to kill that whole family, right and.

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<v Speaker 2>For Ruby or Stella, which of the two had to

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<v Speaker 2>suffer her wounds until she was succumbed to the smoke

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<v Speaker 2>that it shouldn't even know that? And to hear his

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<v Speaker 2>attorneys talk about cruel and unusual, I just want to

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<v Speaker 2>go after his attorney now too. Oh dare you hear you?

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<v Speaker 4>Pristella Arubi? You fucking twat all?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? You spoke upon this.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just like, ah, yeah, those are cases I could

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<v Speaker 1>never never do. Oh speaking of lawyers, did you happen

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<v Speaker 1>to hear that Sean Comb's Diddy his lawyer quit. No, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>He's like yeah, I forget the quote, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>basically like, I can't be any part of this any longer.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was talking about it with my daughter and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, and you know, Diddy is so rich that

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<v Speaker 1>his lawyer could make an ass ton of money and

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<v Speaker 1>for his lawyer quit, you know there's some shit going down.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh he's the pig. I mean, his downfall has been

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<v Speaker 2>a long time coming.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm just like, ooh, some lawyers, you know, can

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<v Speaker 1>put it aside and be like, Okay, I'm making money,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing my job. I'm defending someone. You know, everybody

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<v Speaker 1>deserves a defense, blah blah blah, and you know, but

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<v Speaker 1>this lawyer was like, I can't do it. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>take any more. So I could never become like a

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<v Speaker 1>criminal defense attorney. I just couldn't like even like small crimes, fine,

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<v Speaker 1>drunk driving whatever, whatever. Yeah, when you get to like

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<v Speaker 1>Diddy's level, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Could not, Oh my gosh, no, he needs and everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll preface that is saying everybody is in a sentence

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<v Speaker 1>of proven guilty. He's not been convicted yet, so anyway, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Right here he's convicted.

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<v Speaker 4>Breens convicted him, locked him up.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, Well, thank you Shannon for listening. Thank you everyone

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<v Speaker 3>It's really it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like.

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<v Speaker 4>You're done, love squeezy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, well, thank you again, and I will see

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<v Speaker 1>you later. Shannon, so I

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<v Speaker 2>Will see you, love you, love you Bye.
