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Speaker 2: I might know from spring a Flora. I'm a research
Speaker 2: member for SQUATCHINGNFL. I've been researching sasquatch, bigfoot, what are
Speaker 2: you gonna call them? For a little over a year now,
Speaker 2: and back in September where I had my first encounter,
Speaker 2: which was a complete accident, complete fluke. Because I've heard
Speaker 2: all the stories and you know, I've listened to like
Speaker 2: the podcast and stuff about it and the different shows
Speaker 2: Monster Quest, and part of me was like maybe, and
Speaker 2: the other part of me was like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of it is hogwash. And my
Speaker 2: girlfriend is part of a group where they go around
Speaker 2: cleaning tombstones. So we travel around with some of the
Speaker 2: local cemeteries around here. We clean up the veteran stones
Speaker 2: so that I try to reach out to people get permission,
Speaker 2: help them out with their stones, clean them up. And
Speaker 2: we just happened to find this one cemetery that was
Speaker 2: just completely isolated out in the woods, but you could
Speaker 2: drive right to it. It was just off of an
Speaker 2: old beaten trail A two track road. So we're thinking like, yeah,
Speaker 2: what the heck, we'll go check it out, right, So
Speaker 2: we drive out there, nice bumpy road, and we're laughing
Speaker 2: whole time. And the whole time we're driving out, the
Speaker 2: first thing in my mind I'm thinking, I was like, man,
Speaker 2: this is this is creepy back here, like this is
Speaker 2: some bizarre stuff. Pull into the cemetery right there. We
Speaker 2: get out and I forget what it was we were
Speaker 2: laughing at. We were joking about something, and I'm walking
Speaker 2: into the cemetery. I opened up the gates to get
Speaker 2: into it. And so with that, me and her still laughing,
Speaker 2: just galing around, I take two steps in if you've met,
Speaker 2: and something like grunted at me like as loud as
Speaker 2: could be, and she vaguely heard it but didn't really
Speaker 2: hear it. I felt whatever it was it hit me.
Speaker 2: I was literally like mid stride and I stopped and
Speaker 2: froze and look in that direction. And my first thought
Speaker 2: process was, oh, crap, there's a boray here, you know,
Speaker 2: something like that. I have nothing on me, no peace
Speaker 2: on me, no nothing. So I'm a little nervous at
Speaker 2: that point. I'm thinking like, oh man, I'm about to
Speaker 2: get charged by a big old more and I'm looking
Speaker 2: around and I see nothing, and I'm like, what the
Speaker 2: heck was that. She's making a much noise in the
Speaker 2: car behind me and getting like her camera gear and
Speaker 2: stuff right to start taking some pictures, and I'm like, Kelly, Kelly,
Speaker 2: shout up, Kelly. Stop. She stops, and as we're sitting there,
Speaker 2: she's like what. I'm like, just listen. And as we're listening,
Speaker 2: we hear a tree fall down on the other side
Speaker 2: adjacent to the trail, so from where we're parked at
Speaker 2: it would be to our right side of the trail,
Speaker 2: and we hear this thing coming and it's coming down.
Speaker 2: It says crash, the whole way down. So it was
Speaker 2: a good sized tree. And We're looking at each other
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking, like, oh, what in the world is
Speaker 2: going on right now? So I asked her. I was like,
Speaker 2: do you have your gun on here? She say yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, stay by the car. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: walk out here and take a look real quick. So
Speaker 2: I walk out to the end of the trail and
Speaker 2: I'm looking further up the trail past the cemetery, and
Speaker 2: I noticed something peeking out at me on the right
Speaker 2: hand side of the trail, like kind of quickly dodging
Speaker 2: back and forth, and I'm looking at it. I'm thinking like,
Speaker 2: is that a bear, you know, because I've seen a
Speaker 2: couple of black bears on my time, thinking like, okay,
Speaker 2: it's a bear. And then it steps out. And when
Speaker 2: it steps out, it's on two legs. I never see
Speaker 2: the face. It was looking forward like it was definitely
Speaker 2: on a mission to get to the other side of
Speaker 2: the trail. Now, mind you, the other side of the
Speaker 2: trail this thing is heading to is a side where
Speaker 2: I heard the loud grunt. So I watched this thing
Speaker 2: on two legs go across the trail. It has both
Speaker 2: its arms like raised up, kind of looks like how
Speaker 2: you see primates and like the zoo that aren't really
Speaker 2: they're not really good at like the bipedalism walk, so
Speaker 2: they use their arms to kind of balance themselves out.
Speaker 2: And it's stepping one foot right in front of the other.
Speaker 2: As soon as I saw it, I'm like, that's like
Speaker 2: a military walk. And I'm thinking like, is this a chimpanzee.
Speaker 2: I'm staring at right now in the middle of the
Speaker 2: woods in Florida, not that far fetched. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of wild things in Florida. So I'm thinking, okay, I'm
Speaker 2: watching it in my mind. I'm like, there's no way
Speaker 2: I'm seeing this right now. And it goes across, right
Speaker 2: off into the trail, perfect little line that they made
Speaker 2: going across. And she hears me, like out loud, say
Speaker 2: what the heck was that? And I come over she
Speaker 2: what was And I was like, I don't even know,
Speaker 2: and she's like, well, what was that?
Speaker 1: Ask? I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's give me men, I think. And so we're we
Speaker 2: go inside the cemetery. She's going around doing everything, and
Speaker 2: I'm sitting on a bench and I'm just scanning everywhere.
Speaker 2: It's like a hawk now and I didn't know where
Speaker 2: she was here bang bang bang in that same rhythm,
Speaker 2: that perfect stretch out. There was no like rush in between.
Speaker 2: It was the perfect cadence every time. And we heard
Speaker 2: it that Knox and she looks right at me and goes,
Speaker 2: are those of those three knocks when those shows you
Speaker 2: were watching? And I was like, sure, sounds like huh,
Speaker 2: And we're both kind of like, what in the world, Bud?
Speaker 2: It was? It was really bizarre, and so I started
Speaker 2: I fell down the rabbit hole after that, looking into
Speaker 2: different groups and looking up you know, you know, Sasquatch
Speaker 2: and Florida like reports and stuff, and I started getting
Speaker 2: the courage. I was like, you know what, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go out to night. I'm gonna go out there and
Speaker 2: go see it. And I'm like, there's gotta be something
Speaker 2: to this, right And I'm thinking, Okay, what's the worst
Speaker 2: gonna happen? Well, that was a dumb idea. So I
Speaker 2: started gifting because I've heard gifting and a bunch of
Speaker 2: different podcasts and shows and stuff like that, and I'm thinking, like, okay,
Speaker 2: I'll I'll just take a swing at it. What's the
Speaker 2: worst gonna happen? And I had designated four trees that
Speaker 2: I designated my apple trees that I would go get
Speaker 2: like these organic apples from and I would just go
Speaker 2: up there and I would just stake them up, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm so for reference. I'm six to one, and
Speaker 2: I'm putting these things up as high as I can
Speaker 2: reach into these trees. And I check the apple trees regularly. Nothing.
Speaker 2: And then one night we go out there, it's kind
Speaker 2: of late. We just kind of rushed out real quick
Speaker 2: that just wanted to go check them real quick, and
Speaker 2: she's not. My girlfriend's not feeling too good, so she
Speaker 2: stays in the car. She comes to sit in the car.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna read my book and you go do your thing.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, all right, whatever, And I walked this trail
Speaker 2: tons of time now and nothing weird has ever happened
Speaker 2: yet since that one time. So I walk the trail,
Speaker 2: check tree one, Tree two. Nothing. Tree three is the
Speaker 2: only one that's really off the trail. Tree one and two.
Speaker 2: I have the apples kind of around the tree, so
Speaker 2: like you really need to be looking for them, so
Speaker 2: like a good hunter woud obviously spot them, or someone
Speaker 2: who's very observant with spot them, but I try to
Speaker 2: make him as obviously not obvious at the same time.
Speaker 2: So Tree three, you have to walk off the trail
Speaker 2: only about fifteen steps, and there's this big clearing there
Speaker 2: and I'm coming up tons of owls going off right now,
Speaker 2: which what I already thought was kind of weird because
Speaker 2: no one, I don't hear that many owls out there,
Speaker 2: and they're going off everywhere. It is who who is
Speaker 2: back and forth? I'm thinking, like, man, this is getting
Speaker 2: some pretty eeriness. And I hear a bunch of rustling
Speaker 2: off to my side, and I know it's an armadilla
Speaker 2: because I've been seeing them off and on, and I'm
Speaker 2: going to like look over and see if it's an
Speaker 2: armadillan as my headlamp. I got a really high powered headlamp.
Speaker 2: As I'm swaying around, I catch eye shine off my
Speaker 2: right and I immediately snap back to it to look
Speaker 2: right at it. And I'm watching this eye shine. I
Speaker 2: know it knows that I see it now, and it's
Speaker 2: down low, so I'm thinking like, oh, it's a deer.
Speaker 2: And then it starts swaying back and forth and like
Speaker 2: really slow, kind of like a little rhythic, and I'm watching.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking like, oh crap. And then I watched it
Speaker 2: go from about four feet tall to over my head.
Speaker 2: Now it's just outside the reach of the light. The
Speaker 2: light's reflecting off the eyes, but I can't see it.
Speaker 2: There's kind of like a little silhouette there. I can't
Speaker 2: see the face, the body or nothing, but I can
Speaker 2: tell there's something standing there entirely based off the eye shine.
Speaker 2: And this eye shine is easily a foot than I am,
Speaker 2: and as soon as it stood up all the way,
Speaker 2: and I followed it the whole time going up. I'm
Speaker 2: thinking like, oh my god, this is too close now
Speaker 2: at this point, I have a firearm on me at
Speaker 2: this point, so I drew immediately because it was if
Speaker 2: it wanted to get me. It was within a few
Speaker 2: steps for something like that to be at me. I
Speaker 2: drew and I ain't right at it, and I said
Speaker 2: out loud, I go get the way from me. I
Speaker 2: watched the eye shine just kind of stare at me,
Speaker 2: and then it started like slowly like shrinking back down.
Speaker 2: I couldn't see it at the time, but where it
Speaker 2: was standing at it would like slope down, which would
Speaker 2: explain why the ice sign was shrinking. So maybe it
Speaker 2: wasn't even squatted down. Maybe it was just kind of
Speaker 2: coming up right there, and I just happened to see
Speaker 2: it as it was coming up the hill. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I went back the next day to kind of measure
Speaker 2: where I saw the eyeshine, and that's how I came
Speaker 2: up with between the seven and seven eight feet more
Speaker 2: range because there's some smaller trees there and I'm like,
Speaker 2: it wasn't a raccoon. The eyes were huge. It wasn't
Speaker 2: a black bear because I don't think those trees were
Speaker 2: anywhere capable of holding a black bear up. I tried
Speaker 2: hanging on it myself, and I'm a pretty heavy guy,
Speaker 2: and I bend them like a toothpick, almost coming over.
Speaker 2: So it's really really fueled my interest into learning more,
Speaker 2: which then led me into meeting my now friend Frank,
Speaker 2: who is actually one of our team members as well,
Speaker 2: and me and him started talking more and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: and he helped me out with some gear for thermals
Speaker 2: and night vision, and I would just regularly go out there.
Speaker 2: And now I don't really walk the trails no more.
Speaker 2: I've adapted the city and listen mentality, and every now
Speaker 2: and then I go out there. It's been dead silent
Speaker 2: in that area for a while now, so I'm assuming
Speaker 2: they must move around. So we started looking into some
Speaker 2: other areas around there so that so I always tried
Speaker 2: to coincide at whatever we're doing. If I'm doing something
Speaker 2: Bigfoot related, I want her to be able to do
Speaker 2: something she enjoys. So luckily for us, that whole area
Speaker 2: these cemeteries are the remnants of like old ghost towns
Speaker 2: pretty much, and there's three of them in that area
Speaker 2: that I know off the top of my head, actually four,
Speaker 2: And we go to the next one, which is only
Speaker 2: a stone's throwaway, and I walk this whole section one
Speaker 2: day by myself while she's cleaning of the side of
Speaker 2: the cemetery and I walk it. I've run into some people.
Speaker 2: I'm talking to them and stuff with that, and I
Speaker 2: just kind of casually mentioned, like you see anything weird,
Speaker 2: Like no, you knowing a lot of trail cams around,
Speaker 2: a lot of deer, you know, deer blinds to tree stands,
Speaker 2: something like, eh, I don't really think there's gonna be
Speaker 2: anything here. There's a lot of hunter activity. So that night,
Speaker 2: me and were talking and we're still in the area.
Speaker 2: I was like, you know what, let's just go walk it.
Speaker 2: She's like, all right, cool, we'll go walk it. So
Speaker 2: we parked the cemetery with Norm. We park at and
Speaker 2: we were walking down this trail and we get down
Speaker 2: this trail, Ah Man, not even like two three minutes
Speaker 2: into this walk, and we hear this high pitched scream.
Speaker 2: It sounded feminine. And the only reason why I sounded
Speaker 2: it sounds feminine to me now is because our team
Speaker 2: leader Mike his girlfriend. She does a very high pitched
Speaker 2: yell and it's it's almost similar. It's not quite there,
Speaker 2: but it's kind of the first time she did it,
Speaker 2: I looked right over at Frank and I was like,
Speaker 2: that was creepy. He's like, that was very similar.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: It really freaked us out. So we hear this high
Speaker 2: pitched scream, and my poor girlfriend was scared. Oh man,
Speaker 2: she was so terrified. She's right, She's like, I'm I'm like,
Speaker 2: what in the world. And she's like we need to leave.
Speaker 2: I'm like, calm down, relax. I was like, stand behind me,
Speaker 2: and we're we're both a little on edge and so
Speaker 2: of that. And then you could tell when it yelled
Speaker 2: it was going away from us, because you could hear
Speaker 2: like going away. But when it was going away, it
Speaker 2: didn't make a lot of noise, you know. So we
Speaker 2: walked the trail. It's a creepy trail at night. It's
Speaker 2: around this whole pond that's over in the area there,
Speaker 2: and on the way back, kind of around that same area,
Speaker 2: we hear something. It definitely sounded like it jumped out
Speaker 2: of a tree because it was just like nothing. And
Speaker 2: then crunch crunched like very loud, and then something running
Speaker 2: off and the only way I can I can mimic
Speaker 2: the sound running off of the if it was me
Speaker 2: just running through the woods. Everything contruction leaves, and it
Speaker 2: scared her. So she's very leary by going out at
Speaker 2: night now with me. So I've had to adapt this
Speaker 2: solo rambo mentality I got now where I tend to
Speaker 2: go out a lot by myself. I feel like they're
Speaker 2: more inclined to get closer when you're by yourself. I
Speaker 2: didn't like how close the one with the eyeshine was.
Speaker 2: I would like to see one from you know, a
Speaker 2: couple more yards away. That was just way too close stage.
Speaker 2: The whole stage area out there like that. It's it's
Speaker 2: weird because there's a ton of reports in that area
Speaker 2: that I keep trying to follow up on, and luckily,
Speaker 2: I think we've pretty much found them all that we're
Speaker 2: aware of. At the moment, I'm trying to like go
Speaker 2: through a bunch of database and trying to see if
Speaker 2: the BRFO has anything, if anyone else has anything. In
Speaker 2: these other forms, these are the groups on Facebook and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. I'm actively talking to people as much
Speaker 2: as I can now. I'm trying to build a database
Speaker 2: with our team. We how we all kind of came
Speaker 2: together is funny because I met Mike just randomly, like
Speaker 2: I was talking with Frank, and I was like, well,
Speaker 2: what about Mike. He seems like he's local. I found
Speaker 2: out he lived kind of close by and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: and he was an active guy out there, always going
Speaker 2: out and stuff. So I was like, what the heck,
Speaker 2: I'll shoo him a message because poor Frank lives really
Speaker 2: far away. So talk with Mike and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: And then when me and Frank finally had a chance
Speaker 2: to meet up, Mike came out and we're all talking,
Speaker 2: shooting the breeze for a while, and then Mike's like,
Speaker 2: I got this area I want to show you guys
Speaker 2: on the other side of the road that he kind
Speaker 2: of drove down and checked out. And I haven't been
Speaker 2: over that way yet. I've been focusing mainly on the areas.
Speaker 2: Anywheys I find water on the map is where I
Speaker 2: try to spend a good amount of time there, probably
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks really work it and see if
Speaker 2: I find anything. And he found this one spot and
Speaker 2: I was like, all right, cool, let's go check out.
Speaker 2: So waal three was we glowed up and we go
Speaker 2: over there and he's got us really far back in
Speaker 2: the woods out there on foot and we hear that
Speaker 2: same exact feminine scream again. And some people are going
Speaker 2: to say it's a vixen fox. It's not a vixen fox.
Speaker 2: I had to look that up. We already compare the
Speaker 2: audio of the two and the irony is I don't
Speaker 2: remember the documentary of what it was that has Jeff
Speaker 2: Meldrum and oh god, I can't think the other research
Speaker 2: is on there. They have the same exact audio because
Speaker 2: when we heard it, when we got back to camp,
Speaker 2: me and Frank were talking it is me and Frank
Speaker 2: actually stayed out there for a couple of nights, like
Speaker 2: in that general area, and we're talking about it. He's like,
Speaker 2: I know, I've heard that audio, and then he found
Speaker 2: it and as soon as he played it, I just
Speaker 2: my head snapped right to him and I looked up
Speaker 2: like a candle. I was like, that's it, and he's like, dude,
Speaker 2: this is crazy. This was recorded back in the late nineties,
Speaker 2: early the early nineties, late eighties, and I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, man, and we tried comparing like vixen
Speaker 2: frock sounds to an other known It's not a screech owl.
Speaker 2: I've heard squeech owls plenty of times. I've even heard
Speaker 2: occasionally bard owls will sound like monkeys in the morning
Speaker 2: when they're all chittering and chattering with each other. My
Speaker 2: poor buddy. We were out camping in that general area
Speaker 2: again recently, and I was dead asleep. I sleep like
Speaker 2: a baby on the woods. It does not bother me.
Speaker 2: He's up, he goes to use the bathroom real quick,
Speaker 2: and he hears that going off in the middle of
Speaker 2: the woods, and he was freaked out and he's like,
Speaker 2: I swear it was monkey. So I checked my audio
Speaker 2: and of course the only thing you really hear in
Speaker 2: theadda really well is you know, this grizzly bear and
Speaker 2: his tent sleeping snoring away, and they kind of faintly
Speaker 2: hear it. But it's there's a lot of noises people
Speaker 2: really misinterpret out there. I think they hear things that
Speaker 2: they don't know and they just jump to conclusion instead
Speaker 2: of like doing the research and stuf of that. That's
Speaker 2: why I like backtracking to like my sighting of I'm
Speaker 2: gonna call it a juvenile because the more time I
Speaker 2: spend on it and think about it, and keep going
Speaker 2: back to that area and looking around and just trying
Speaker 2: to find more, it's got to be a juvenile. That
Speaker 2: was the only way to think about it. Between what
Speaker 2: grunted at me, which is what I think, what I
Speaker 2: caught the eyeshine of, and then that it blows me
Speaker 2: away to think that this is even a possibility now.
Speaker 2: So then fast forward, I'd say maybe about two months
Speaker 2: after me and Frank go out. Yeah, I would say
Speaker 2: about two months after that, me and my younger brother
Speaker 2: are out because he's interested in all so that, you know,
Speaker 2: as I go out and stuff like that, and I
Speaker 2: was like, well you can come with me. He's like,
Speaker 2: I'll come with you. So we're out one night, we're
Speaker 2: just walking around, so that I told him find out.
Speaker 2: I was like, nine times at a time when I
Speaker 2: go out, nothing happens. I was like, honestly, nothing's going
Speaker 2: to happen almost all the time. It's the anomalies that
Speaker 2: happened that one title millipercentage that happens. We're out walking
Speaker 2: around so that we're just talking. I'm just kind of
Speaker 2: showing them the trail. It's it's kind of dark now
Speaker 2: and stuff with that. He's having fun, you know, and
Speaker 2: I can tell he's a little freaked out because every
Speaker 2: noise he hears, he's kind of looking around. I'm like,
Speaker 2: it's an armadillo, you know it. Now, that's a bird
Speaker 2: over there. Don't worry about it. It's this and that.
Speaker 2: That's dear. And we find these ribbons. They're like tattered
Speaker 2: up and so whatever, but they're like marking a trail.
Speaker 2: So I asked him, I was like, you want to
Speaker 2: go off trail a little bit. He's like sure, So
Speaker 2: we walk off trail and we get back there pretty far.
Speaker 2: We fall all the ribbons on the back. I'm honestly
Speaker 2: expecting to find like a camp or something, because there
Speaker 2: are poachers who will poach the deer out in that
Speaker 2: area out of season. I've seen the bodies completely cut up,
Speaker 2: and I know it's a hunter because they're completely filad open.
Speaker 2: So it's unfortunately it happens. What happens, and we get
Speaker 2: back there, no camp, no nothing. So I carry on
Speaker 2: me a hickory hatchet handle. That's my knocker, my tree knocker.
Speaker 2: I use gives off a nice, really good percussion when
Speaker 2: it hits things. So I go one, two, and then
Speaker 2: I wait and listen, and I have audio rolling, and
Speaker 2: just as we're getting in the walk away, we hear
Speaker 2: loud as can be, almost sounds like a gunshot off
Speaker 2: on my audio. And I look back at my brother
Speaker 2: and he goes, what And I was like, I told
Speaker 2: you man. He's like, nah, there's somebody out here, and
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know, Bud. I was like,
Speaker 2: it's pretty ballsy to be out in the woods, especially
Speaker 2: in Florida of old states, to be acting wild like that.
Speaker 2: I was like, that's a good way of getting yourself
Speaker 2: hurt in more than one way. So we hear the bang.
Speaker 2: We come walking back out to the trail. We're kind
Speaker 2: of standing around. I'm just listening, and every time I
Speaker 2: have something happen, I always go lights off like that.
Speaker 2: I want no lights. I want everything just be quiet
Speaker 2: because I want my night vision to come in. I
Speaker 2: want to go see and we're scanning around nothing. So
Speaker 2: we walked the rest of the trail and on the
Speaker 2: way back we're just discussing stuff like that. I'm explaining
Speaker 2: things to him and he goes, he's like Mike, Mike.
Speaker 2: He grabs my the shirt. He's like stop and I'm
Speaker 2: like what. He's like, there's ice shine right there and
Speaker 2: I can't see it. I'm like looking around because I
Speaker 2: thought I saw kind of like a blackish furish color,
Speaker 2: but it I couldn't make it out. In times, I
Speaker 2: can't sit there and say that's what I saw. But
Speaker 2: it was something moved and I'm looking around, looking around,
Speaker 2: I don't see nothing of that. I'm like, he's still
Speaker 2: there's now and we're looking around. So I was like,
Speaker 2: all right, I want to go back a little bit.
Speaker 2: He's okay, and I was like okay, and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, big brother, making sure my younger brother's all right.
Speaker 2: We walked back there, and in the spot where he
Speaker 2: saw the eye shine at it was almost like if
Speaker 2: something would have put its arm down on the ground
Speaker 2: and then swiped it away, like trying to clear off
Speaker 2: an area. And we're looking around nothing. I don't see
Speaker 2: no hair, no footprints, naa. So I'm thinking, like, man,
Speaker 2: that's that's weird. And my brother at this point he's like,
Speaker 2: he's like that's impossible, and I'm like it's it's crazy,
Speaker 2: and he goes, there's no way that that eyeshine I
Speaker 2: saw got away without making a single sound. He's like,
Speaker 2: we didn't hear nothing run away from us this whole time.
Speaker 2: So we come back out of the trail. We're walking
Speaker 2: back out and I'm looking around and I have my
Speaker 2: letter light on and I'm looking down, and just as
Speaker 2: I'm about the step, I stopped because I'm looking down
Speaker 2: at the ground and there's this huge impression. It's it's massive,
Speaker 2: and it could be paradolia. I'm not gonna sit there
Speaker 2: and say that it's not a possibility, but it's it's
Speaker 2: almost too close. And other people I have showed the
Speaker 2: pictures to are very like that could be that. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I know, and that's why I'm okay with you scrutinizing it,
Speaker 2: because I want to scrutinize that. I want some to
Speaker 2: prove me wrong, prove me that I'm just being parentally.
Speaker 2: And if we're both staring at him, my brother grasped
Speaker 2: me and he goes, do you see the size of
Speaker 2: that me? He's losing it at this point. And I
Speaker 2: wear a size thirteen. I wear thirteen why I have
Speaker 2: a wide foot? He wears a size fourteen, but he
Speaker 2: has a narrow foot a little bit longer, and he's
Speaker 2: got his foot up that I got mine up to it,
Speaker 2: and we're taking pictures and we're just like, godly this
Speaker 2: my foot can sit inside this one like a baby.
Speaker 2: It's huge. It's a good size foot. And of course,
Speaker 2: being the novice I was at the time, no faster,
Speaker 2: no nothing. I have everything on me now when I
Speaker 2: go out, like I have a huge kit that I
Speaker 2: carry on my back from first day to camping survival,
Speaker 2: something happens the whole nine yards now because I have
Speaker 2: all that, nothing will ever happen. I'll never find the
Speaker 2: evidence ever again. And watch. But that was a fun
Speaker 2: night and he's been hooked ever since. And every time
Speaker 2: we get a chance, we try to go out together
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. But we've really spent a lot
Speaker 2: of time in that area, really pushing it and I'm
Speaker 2: trying to keep it as ethnic as possible and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. I've made a video, so I tried doing
Speaker 2: the YouTube thing a little bit here and there, so
Speaker 2: that part of me it feels awkward when I'm doing it.
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe I'm just I mean, I should
Speaker 2: just feelm me just talking in those areas more about it,
Speaker 2: So I kind of like describing things and like really
Speaker 2: picking the brain of the audience and see what other
Speaker 2: people think. But it's I don't want to blow the
Speaker 2: spot up, so I try to keep it on the
Speaker 2: wraps because it is a public area. They people come
Speaker 2: and go all the time. I see hunters all the time,
Speaker 2: hikers all the time, horsebike riders all the time. That
Speaker 2: area is it's very unique because it has a high
Speaker 2: density of reports, and I think it has to high
Speaker 2: denser reports because it's kind of like cradled around a
Speaker 2: bunch of people, Like there's clusters of farmhouses all around it,
Speaker 2: and then you have very large, dense suburban areas not
Speaker 2: very far from there. That whole forest has just been
Speaker 2: pushed back so far that I'm not surprised that people
Speaker 2: are having more reports than sightings now of whether it
Speaker 2: be sasquatch or dog man or whatever people are seeing now.
Speaker 2: I think people are seeing it because these these areas
Speaker 2: that these things are in are being so decimated and
Speaker 2: pushed back that it's just an amount of time before
Speaker 2: someone has another sighting. So it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: It gets scary. I try to stay as stoic as
Speaker 2: I can and just be brave. But when you're face
Speaker 2: to face with something that's clearly very large compared to you,
Speaker 2: it's it's very nerve wracking. And anyone who's had encounters
Speaker 2: like that, I guarantee they know exactly what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: You get that. It's that chill, that little tingle in
Speaker 2: the back of your neck, and you're just like, oh no,
Speaker 2: because you don't know what can happen. Like I'm not
Speaker 2: carrying some high caliber, you know, rifle with me and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. I'm in Florida. It's standard carry, nothing crazy. Honestly,
Speaker 2: I should probably carry something higher than a nine, but
Speaker 2: it's just standardized defense that I'm caring. I'm more worried
Speaker 2: about a wild person than I am a sasquatcher, because
Speaker 2: even though there are reports of attacks, how often does
Speaker 2: it actually happen? You know, nowadays you feel like if
Speaker 2: it happens, we would know about it more. But the
Speaker 2: idea of that happening to me is very slim. And
Speaker 2: I think that's why I'm so comfortable when we go
Speaker 2: out camping and so that because I'm very I just
Speaker 2: listen all the time, so even if I'm dead asleep
Speaker 2: and I hear like a snap or something like that,
Speaker 2: I wake up instant. I just listen. But one thing
Speaker 2: I will backtrack to that was very interesting to say.
Speaker 2: I don't I'm not going to classify and for sound
Speaker 2: because I don't know enough about in for sound to
Speaker 2: really discuss it. I'm just going to discuss a weird
Speaker 2: occurrence that happened when me and Frank went camping the
Speaker 2: first time out there. We were what was it was
Speaker 2: the day before we were wrapping up, so I had
Speaker 2: it been like a Saturday night we were. We just
Speaker 2: went out, spent some time, and so with that hung
Speaker 2: out with some of the people, sat out on an area.
Speaker 2: Nothing happened. We're back at camp and we're sitting there
Speaker 2: and out of nowhere, my left ear is ring, like
Speaker 2: really loud. And I didn't say anything, but Frank look
Speaker 2: at me. He goes, man, my right ear is ringing
Speaker 2: really loud, which would be the ear that same side
Speaker 2: he was facing me, and I go, that's weird because
Speaker 2: my left ear is ring and we both look off
Speaker 2: in a direction. Nothing. We see nothing of it, right,
Speaker 2: So we go to bed and I go to bed
Speaker 2: and the next morning, I get up, I'm going around,
Speaker 2: go to to the bathroom and come back and Frank
Speaker 2: is sitting outside his tent. I said, okay, he said, buddy,
Speaker 2: I don't feel good at all. It's poor guy, Like,
Speaker 2: we didn't know if he had carbon anox side poisoning
Speaker 2: because it was cold this time of year, and even
Speaker 2: though yes, it does get cold in Florida, we had
Speaker 2: a very freak winner recently. It was very cold. Even
Speaker 2: I had a heater, but my tent is very open
Speaker 2: air at the top to the like air circulating stuff,
Speaker 2: and he has a hot tent, so his designed to
Speaker 2: hold in heat, but it's also designed to circulate the
Speaker 2: air and not get stale in their form. So we're
Speaker 2: thinking maybe carbon anoxide here, you know, because of the
Speaker 2: heater he had in there. And I were like, he's like, man,
Speaker 2: I don't know. So we actually had him go to
Speaker 2: the hospital and he got transferred by the MS, and
Speaker 2: after he got out, they have no idea what happened
Speaker 2: to him. It's not carbon anoxide poisoning nothing. That poor
Speaker 2: dude was tore up. Whatever happened to him, and it
Speaker 2: hasn't happened since, so we don't know. We both scratched
Speaker 2: our heads to that. I don't know if he's looked
Speaker 2: into the infrasound more. I looked into a little little
Speaker 2: bit of it, and it seems like people have different
Speaker 2: reactions to it. A great example the everybody knows is
Speaker 2: RPG who's also a member of Squash NFL. He had
Speaker 2: that experience out there where it just floored him and
Speaker 2: he had to step away from the show. The whole
Speaker 2: nine yards like they really tore them up. There's something
Speaker 2: that goes on in that sound frequency that's really messing
Speaker 2: humans up where it gets as very sick from you know, vertigo,
Speaker 2: nausea the whole nine yards. So I had a really
Speaker 2: bad headache that morning. There wasn't nothing crazy. I just
Speaker 2: took some tie and all I think I had in
Speaker 2: my bag and moved on. And Yeah, poor frank man,
Speaker 2: that tore him up. That was That was a scary
Speaker 2: experience out there. So fast forward some more, Me and
Speaker 2: Frank get another chance to go out camping in that
Speaker 2: general area for that, so we didn't camp at the
Speaker 2: same spot we did last time I've been. I walked
Speaker 2: the trails a bunch during the day, and I've marked
Speaker 2: out different areas on my map and stuff where I
Speaker 2: find clearings at and stuff. So we go camping in
Speaker 2: some of these clearings whenever we get a chance. And
Speaker 2: we have one really good clearing it was there in
Speaker 2: old lake beds, so we're thinking like, oh, that'll be fantastic,
Speaker 2: let's go down there. So we go camping down there
Speaker 2: and stuff. And at the time, Mike's previous team that
Speaker 2: he was with, he they all were coming out that
Speaker 2: general area too, so they were like, hey, can we
Speaker 2: come by and meet up with you? And I were like, Ash, sure,
Speaker 2: why not, No big deal, right, So we meet up,
Speaker 2: we talk, we walk around so that I meet Robert
Speaker 2: who's part of our team now as well. He's real
Speaker 2: big into the whole cave systems in Florida. That guy's
Speaker 2: got pluffer of knowledge of the cave systems. And he
Speaker 2: was telling me some different areas out there and stuff.
Speaker 2: So like my suspicions about where the water was and
Speaker 2: someone that was correct, and he when he validated that
Speaker 2: for me, I was like, oh good. So I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm not a completely more on when it comes to
Speaker 2: reading maps. I'm really a big map nerd. So we
Speaker 2: spent some time out there and stuff, walked around, he
Speaker 2: showed some other areas. Nothing really happens as per usual
Speaker 2: nine times, like I said, nine times at ten you
Speaker 2: go out there, nothing's gonna happen. So don't ever get discouraged.
Speaker 2: If you go out to your favorite spot thirty times,
Speaker 2: nothing happens. Thirty one might be at the charm. So
Speaker 2: we're back at camp and we're talking, just me and
Speaker 2: Frank's talking, and we hear and I just to go
Speaker 2: hip like loud as can be on the other side
Speaker 2: of the dry lake bed. And we look at each
Speaker 2: other and I'm I I'm just I'm giggling and I
Speaker 2: was like, no way, buddy. He's like, it was that
Speaker 2: your first yip? And I was like that one hundred
Speaker 2: percent was I was like I've not heard one before.
Speaker 2: And he's like that's crazy, isn't it. And I was like, man, Frank,
Speaker 2: I really owe him a lot of credit, a lot
Speaker 2: of panics. He really got me immersed into this more.
Speaker 2: And then Mike didn't like he didn't ease me into it.
Speaker 2: He like grabbed me by the collar and like dragged
Speaker 2: me out into it. I was like, come on, I'm like,
Speaker 2: all right, here we go and I've been in some
Speaker 2: areas of Mike where I'm just like, you're gonna get
Speaker 2: this killed. But we've been in some areas. Man. There
Speaker 2: was this one spot that Mike took me out to.
Speaker 2: He's been looking at it on the map. He's like,
Speaker 2: you want to come out with me. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll go with you. So we go out there and
Speaker 2: we get way back in there and stuff. I don't
Speaker 2: want to spoil too much because Mike's got some pretty
Speaker 2: good stories of that area, but it was weird. It's
Speaker 2: something was definitely like it felt like we were being
Speaker 2: watched the whole time because this section, if I could
Speaker 2: literally just keep walking straight, like from where we got
Speaker 2: off the road, so it'd be east. If I could
Speaker 2: just keep heading or west, it would put you right
Speaker 2: out into the gulf. And it's so bizarre back there.
Speaker 2: It's like a marsh slash forest at the same time.
Speaker 2: You could step one way this way and it's marshy
Speaker 2: in one way. The other way, it's complete normal force.
Speaker 2: It was It's a very cool environment, insane amount of bugs.
Speaker 2: But we're walking back there and like we hear like
Speaker 2: these snaps and these twigs and it's almost like a
Speaker 2: mouth pop, you know that they do. And we're looking
Speaker 2: around now at the time, thanks to mister Frank, I
Speaker 2: have a much new toys now. I've got night vision
Speaker 2: and thermal, so I've got thermal up mine. I'm scanning
Speaker 2: around nothing. Mike's looking around nothing. So we started walking
Speaker 2: back and it, man, it sounded like something to pacing
Speaker 2: us on the way out. Couldn't see it, couldn't get
Speaker 2: in the thermal the whole time, but man, there was
Speaker 2: something there that was that was pretty eerie, and I'm like, ah,
Speaker 2: I need to get back to that spot. I we
Speaker 2: haven't been there in a while. But the the whole
Speaker 2: research aspect of this thing, and I use the term
Speaker 2: research on myself lightly because again I'm more of a
Speaker 2: past guy. I deal with that on my day to
Speaker 2: day basis. So that's my knowledge of animals is based
Speaker 2: entirely off of like what nuisence animal for your house,
Speaker 2: and then like different kind of tree life, different kind
Speaker 2: of like grass, slide, all that stuff like that, any
Speaker 2: kind of hedges, you know, ornamentals, you name it. I
Speaker 2: deal with all that stuff. So I learn I like
Speaker 2: to learn about different like trees and stuff, so I
Speaker 2: try to apply that to what I do in my
Speaker 2: day to day when I'm out in the field with
Speaker 2: these guys. Know what, I know, I'm more of a
Speaker 2: boots in the ground kind of guy. I think armchair
Speaker 2: quarterbacking sasquat for research is not the way to go.
Speaker 2: I think you need to be out there shredding through
Speaker 2: the mud and really looking. There's definitely something to this subject.
Speaker 2: People really don't like to acknowledge it for some reason.
Speaker 2: Don't really know why. It's fun. It's enjoyable because at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, if nothing happens, I'm still
Speaker 2: in the woods having a good time. I'm hanging out
Speaker 2: with people I enjoy hanging out with, taking the mother
Speaker 2: nature and enjoying my day. The idea of there being
Speaker 2: a eight foot plus tall Harry hominid walking around the forest,
Speaker 2: it's it's scary and insanely intriguing at the same time,
Speaker 2: because it's like, what are you? What are we? Are
Speaker 2: we you? Or are we the same thing or you
Speaker 2: entirely something different? Like what exactly are you? And I'm
Speaker 2: just a curious person, so like I would love to
Speaker 2: see whatever the eye shine was in broad daylight, because
Speaker 2: it was so big like every time I picture that
Speaker 2: eye shine in my mind and like just how close
Speaker 2: it was. The part of me is like, man, I
Speaker 2: really that could have went south real fast. I'd be
Speaker 2: part of the next missing for one book or something. Then, uh,
Speaker 2: that was I would love to see that. I have
Speaker 2: a spot out there I love sitting on because I
Speaker 2: just I bring a little fold up chair. I mean
Speaker 2: I just pop it out and I just sit there
Speaker 2: and I'll put a podcast on or something like that,
Speaker 2: or just listen, or maybe someone will call me out
Speaker 2: have an earbuddy, and I just relax and just look
Speaker 2: around and listen. Hikers will come by all wave, but
Speaker 2: I'm with that. Sometimes they come and talk to me
Speaker 2: and stuff. The reports I get from those guys are great.
Speaker 2: There's actually one gentleman who came into the mind of
Speaker 2: Frank's camp one time, just randomly, which was why we
Speaker 2: don't camp at that one spot nowhere. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of people for some reason who just think it's okay
Speaker 2: to walk into someone's camp and it's like, meanwhile, I've
Speaker 2: got a gun like tapped out of my shirt, and
Speaker 2: he's got one right there. We're just like, yeah, now
Speaker 2: go on. And he was telling us about the caves
Speaker 2: out in this one area. So that and how he
Speaker 2: threw a rope down the one he was going to
Speaker 2: go down to the one and something I yelled at him.
Speaker 2: So naturally we're like, oh, I got to go check
Speaker 2: that out now. And the caves out in this area
Speaker 2: are fenced off. The forest hasn't fenced off. For one
Speaker 2: they are dangerous. I don't caring what says, you can
Speaker 2: get hurt doing this, So if you don't know what
Speaker 2: you're doing, don't go into these caves. Like I don't
Speaker 2: know what I'm doing, so I don't put my giant
Speaker 2: self in these caves because they're going to have to
Speaker 2: bring a crane to pull me out. So these areas
Speaker 2: are fenced off as of that, and this whole area
Speaker 2: when you sit out there, it doesn't look like Florida
Speaker 2: because it's on like an old lime rock quarry from
Speaker 2: way back in the day. I think it's like in
Speaker 2: the sixties or something like that. They said maybe the
Speaker 2: late seventies, and that whole area. Any of the old
Speaker 2: timers I talk in that area, they all have stories
Speaker 2: of the forest people skunk abe the whole nine yards.
Speaker 2: So it's really fun when they see that I'm interested
Speaker 2: in then I'm not like scoffing at him and poo
Speaker 2: pooing what they're doing. That they kind of open up
Speaker 2: start talking more about it and stuff, and that's really
Speaker 2: helped us out a lot as a group to really
Speaker 2: push our research further into the field of where we
Speaker 2: want to go. It's with that, it's gotten to the
Speaker 2: point now where they know I focus on one area
Speaker 2: because I really like going there and stuff with that,
Speaker 2: and then the other ones will focus on different areas
Speaker 2: and we just kind of all share our stories with
Speaker 2: each other, like, oh, I tried this, this is we
Speaker 2: just see what works. The apple tree is, for example,
Speaker 2: I put out nothing ever takes them, which I think
Speaker 2: is kind of weird. Nothing touches them, and every now
Speaker 2: and then I'll find one knocked off, laying on the ground,
Speaker 2: no bike marks, no nothing on it, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: that's so bizarre to me. It's the lack of wildlife
Speaker 2: in some of these areas I go to that I
Speaker 2: find to be very interesting because it's like there should
Speaker 2: be squirrels and birds and everything all the time, and
Speaker 2: a lot of times there's not. But nothing ever happens.
Speaker 2: You would expect you to sa see a knock or
Speaker 2: even eye more eyeshine or something else. Nothing happens. But
Speaker 2: there it's just dead quiet. And I've gotten so used
Speaker 2: to that to where I just kind of ignore it
Speaker 2: now and act like I'm just oblivious to it in
Speaker 2: the hopes that like listening to some sort of response,
Speaker 2: and it every now and then I'll get like a
Speaker 2: little you know, pop or something, but nothing crazy. It's
Speaker 2: it's a very interesting area. I really enjoyed researching it.
Speaker 2: People really should focus on their spots more. I feel like,
Speaker 2: I really think you can really miss things if you
Speaker 2: keep spreading out too much. Like it's fun to go
Speaker 2: to a new area and stuff like that, but if
Speaker 2: you have somewhere's close to you that you can really
Speaker 2: work with them, like your time frame and stuff, push it,
Speaker 2: hammer it. Go out there, do the research, spend the
Speaker 2: time out there, hang out, especially if there's hiking trails
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. Just hike the trails, Like don't
Speaker 2: don't don't go out there looking for you know, you're
Speaker 2: going out I'm gonna look for. Make what you're not
Speaker 2: gonna you're not gonna find like that, go out there
Speaker 2: and try to meet the people who frequent those areas too,
Speaker 2: and see if you can, you know, collaborate some stories
Speaker 2: that they have, like oh, why I was over on
Speaker 2: you know, so and so rich and something kept making
Speaker 2: these weird knocks over there and stuff like that. And
Speaker 2: then that's where I would go hang out in that
Speaker 2: general area, in my same area, just a little further,
Speaker 2: like a yard or two that way, and just with
Speaker 2: us hammering that spot. I've had the eye Shine experience there.
Speaker 2: Mike has had the eye Shine experience there. Mike saw
Speaker 2: something there at one time run off on him and
Speaker 2: his kids. It's it's bizarre. It's got to the point
Speaker 2: where even a lady who lives adjacent to the area
Speaker 2: has reached out to Mike and was telling him like, hey,
Speaker 2: I used to ride horses in this area all the time,
Speaker 2: and my horse always get freaked out in this one area.
Speaker 2: And then he took a screenshot of where she pinpointed,
Speaker 2: and sure enough, that's where I go had my first
Speaker 2: encounter and my my major of my research all I
Speaker 2: do is out there, and I was like, man, it's
Speaker 2: all coming together. It's just coincidence. It's like that. It
Speaker 2: makes it so much fun. You got to just keep pushing. Recently,
Speaker 2: I decided to start pushing up to the go State
Speaker 2: Forest because there's just the hundreds and hundreds and hundreds
Speaker 2: and hundreds reports for up there, and I know for
Speaker 2: a fact the BRFO is not getting a chance to
Speaker 2: go through other reports because I know for a fact
Speaker 2: they don't have enough researchers in the state of Florida
Speaker 2: who are people who are submitting those reports to them,
Speaker 2: that they can go through them all. So a lot
Speaker 2: of these reports go unchecked, so they reach out to
Speaker 2: other sources, other Facebook groups and stuff like that, and
Speaker 2: all I do is I just type in keywords to
Speaker 2: find it on Facebook, and I'll message people individually like Hey,
Speaker 2: I want to hear your story, can you tell me
Speaker 2: where it was, and stuff like that. The Go Thi
Speaker 2: State Forest, I think is a seriously overlooked hot spot.
Speaker 2: Everyone really focuses on Cala. My area, I feel like
Speaker 2: is an accidental hot spot. I think I just found
Speaker 2: it at the right time of year, because when I
Speaker 2: had my encounter is back in September of twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: so I haven't had too much luck there recently, and
Speaker 2: I don't know if maybe because the humidity and stuff.
Speaker 2: Maybe they move around further inland or maybe even more
Speaker 2: to the coast. But I've been kind of like backing
Speaker 2: off that area and I'll go out every now and
Speaker 2: then like random. I'll just go randomly. I don't try
Speaker 2: to plan it. I'm just like I'm gonna go tonight.
Speaker 2: I'll just get up kiss go from Gobye. I'll step
Speaker 2: out the door and be gone for a couple hours.
Speaker 2: And I think the go Thy State Forest is going
Speaker 2: to be a very very good producer of evidence the
Speaker 2: stories out there that I've heard. I have a friend
Speaker 2: I met from doing this who lives up in that
Speaker 2: general area who told me about an encounter he had
Speaker 2: out by my original area where something came in was
Speaker 2: growling at them and stuff like that. So me and
Speaker 2: him linked up and we're like we should as mutual
Speaker 2: interest like that. He's an older gentleman, so he doesn't
Speaker 2: really go out by himself, but he he came out
Speaker 2: with me and Franklin to go camping for a while
Speaker 2: to go check out our report that he got up there,
Speaker 2: and really cool guy. Honestly, I cannot say enough about
Speaker 2: this dude. Joe is a really well rounded person and
Speaker 2: We're going to try to spend more time up there
Speaker 2: and see what else we can produce. So if any
Speaker 2: of your listeners live in that general area, have had
Speaker 2: any counter in that area, and they want to reach
Speaker 2: out to you, they could reach out to me or
Speaker 2: vice versa. That would be fantastics. I would love to
Speaker 2: hear more about it and actually get out there and
Speaker 2: go research those areas. It's it's fun. People need to
Speaker 2: get out and do it more. I think I'd rather
Speaker 2: be looking for sasquatch than dog man, though I think
Speaker 2: I'd rather pass on that. Luckily, there's not too many
Speaker 2: reports of that in Florida.
Speaker 1: Don't be too sure about there not being a good
Speaker 1: population of dog men in Florida, because yeah, there are
Speaker 1: quite a few down there. And with that in mind,
Speaker 1: you mentioned it now, But when you've been out doing
Speaker 1: field investigations, if you ever thought about the possibility of
Speaker 1: you bumping into one, bumping into a dog man, and
Speaker 1: if you did that, would that almost make you want
Speaker 1: to pack up and head home.
Speaker 2: The idea of running into one of those things. I
Speaker 2: firmly believe there has to be some really good credence
Speaker 2: to that, because you have the story of the LBL
Speaker 2: and the fact that that's a real police report and
Speaker 2: they found that young girl up the tree, staked in
Speaker 2: the tree, is that's terrifying, Like could that have been
Speaker 2: a person? Sure could have been a maniac. Also, that's
Speaker 2: very animal like behavior to drag something up a tree.
Speaker 2: So the idea, oh man, it gives me goosebumps every
Speaker 2: time I talk about that story. The idea of running
Speaker 2: into a dog man, it's it would definitely lead to pause.
Speaker 2: If I saw one, I'd probably be walking around with
Speaker 2: a higher caliber. I know my one buddy goes out
Speaker 2: with a higher caliber. I'm honestly in the ballparker probably
Speaker 2: get a higher caliber myself specifically for something like that,
Speaker 2: because like you hear these stories of these people just
Speaker 2: dumping around in these things and they just keep coming
Speaker 2: and I'm like that, that's scary that the idea of
Speaker 2: seeing that face to face is terrifying. Nobody wants to
Speaker 2: see that. And I hear in all the stories of
Speaker 2: on these podcasts and people talking about it, when they
Speaker 2: see it face to face, you can hear even if
Speaker 2: if they're faking it, they're really good at faking fear
Speaker 2: because of the way they're describing it. That's a fear
Speaker 2: response that's immediately like the recognization of like this thing
Speaker 2: wants to hurt me. It's I'm foo to whatever this is.
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of stories and reports them I
Speaker 2: know from Okalla. I don't know where any reds else
Speaker 2: maybe you know of, but I know a lot of
Speaker 2: them come out of Okaala State Forest. So I've only
Speaker 2: been there once. Nothing happened. I'm not even gonna bring
Speaker 2: it up because it was just, you know, a fun
Speaker 2: time to go out with some friends. But I'm interested
Speaker 2: in going out there and seeing if we can find
Speaker 2: some evidence of them after I get a hire caliber
Speaker 2: to have my hip. I don't want to be out
Speaker 2: there and run into that face to face seeing that
Speaker 2: as close as I saw the ice shine, that would
Speaker 2: probably scare the crap out of me. Honestly, I like
Speaker 2: to say, I'm pretty, you know, pretty stoke in how
Speaker 2: I handle myself. I'm not really scared of much like that.
Speaker 2: I don't freak out every sound, so I just listen
Speaker 2: and I'm very observant so that again, I'm a larger guy,
Speaker 2: and my mindset is that we are the kings of
Speaker 2: the jungle. I don't care anyone says mankind rules this
Speaker 2: planet for a reason. We mold everything to fit us,
Speaker 2: and something like that. You can't bend and mold it
Speaker 2: because it's going to bend and mold you as it
Speaker 2: sees fit. It's it's very scary to even think that
Speaker 2: other people have experienced that or have lost their lives
Speaker 2: to something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, most people don't react very well to seeing a dog,
Speaker 1: mean that close, as close as what you saw that
Speaker 1: sasquatch that night, that's a given. It's one thing to
Speaker 1: think sasquatch exists, Mike. It's totally different though, to know
Speaker 1: they do. With that in mind, and what ways has
Speaker 1: your life being changed now that you know definitively that
Speaker 1: sasquatch or reality.
Speaker 2: It's opened me up to more possibilities. Again, I've always
Speaker 2: been interested in like the paranormal and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I grew up when Ghost Hunters came out. I'm sci fi,
Speaker 2: so I watched that. I was like, oh, this is
Speaker 2: so cool, you know, And I've always been interested in
Speaker 2: so that. But a lot of times I hear so
Speaker 2: many stories in my first thought processes, bull crap, No
Speaker 2: way you didn't see that, and then I've even when
Speaker 2: i'd hear stories as a kid, I'd be well, take
Speaker 2: me there, show me, and they're like, oh, I can't.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, you're lying. And now I'm like, maybe
Speaker 2: they're not. They're not lying. Maybe I'm Maybe I'm the
Speaker 2: problem there by not being more open minded back then,
Speaker 2: and so I've gotten older, I'm like, I could be
Speaker 2: more open minded about this. So after seeing what I saw,
Speaker 2: and again, it could have definitely been a Champanzee in
Speaker 2: the woods, but like the fingers, it looked like us,
Speaker 2: just hairy, you know, it was jet black. I was.
Speaker 2: I was physically taller than whatever I saw go across
Speaker 2: the trail. It could have been a Champanzee. But the
Speaker 2: idea of a wild animal Florida that's gotten out of
Speaker 2: somebody's house like that, it's not far fetched. Then. I'm
Speaker 2: pretty sure that's kind of not far fetched in every
Speaker 2: state in the US because how large we are. People
Speaker 2: do weird things. People do weird behavior here. They have
Speaker 2: weird habits, they do weird collections. It's a normal thing.
Speaker 2: So the idea that they exist and are real, to me,
Speaker 2: it's just made life a little bit more funner, I
Speaker 2: would say, they answer your question. It's it was a
Speaker 2: lot to take in, but now it's just more like
Speaker 2: I get excited, you know when somebody calls me, Hey,
Speaker 2: do you want to go to the spot, like, let's
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 1: Well, that's great. Yeah's just giving you another thing in
Speaker 1: your life to look forward to. And I guarantee there
Speaker 1: are no chimps running around it. When they stand up,
Speaker 1: they're a foot two feet taller than you are. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that definitely wasn't a gymp.
Speaker 2: Well I'm saying the small one I saw could have been,
Speaker 2: but the big one definitely ain't. No seven eight foot
Speaker 2: tall chip run around. I guess that would be what
Speaker 2: the Gigano pithiciss they talk about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then some other than being attacked by a
Speaker 1: sasquatch and never having a clear daylight sighting, what's your
Speaker 1: biggest fear when it comes to doing field investigations?
Speaker 2: People, people, people worry me. There's a reason why everyone
Speaker 2: has the joke Florida man. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: There are some really wild people out there. Great example
Speaker 2: is one of the time it's being Frank Rout and
Speaker 2: we were out scouting some areas like that. And we
Speaker 2: came back to camp to make some lunch and some
Speaker 2: of that, and we had these two individuals sitting in
Speaker 2: our camp in our chairs and we're both like staring
Speaker 2: at him. We're like, are you kidding me? And again
Speaker 2: they were an older couple, so I get they were
Speaker 2: tired of that. But like there was benches and other
Speaker 2: things there. It's a camps that you reserve. So I'm like,
Speaker 2: you know, that's pretty ballsy to just do that randomly.
Speaker 2: And I've run some really odd people in the woods.
Speaker 2: I've run some very awesome people in the woods too,
Speaker 2: who are just normal hunters. And those usually my favorite
Speaker 2: people will talk to. They see everything. People scare me
Speaker 2: in the woods because you never know about that element
Speaker 2: of like what are they gonna do? You know, with animals,
Speaker 2: you can kind of predict most of their behavior. Satsquash
Speaker 2: dook Man, you really can't do that. But I'm talking
Speaker 2: about your everyday animals. They bogs and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: If you can keep away from them and they don't
Speaker 2: really get sent to you, you're usually pretty safe. You know,
Speaker 2: most black bears they see you, they take off running.
Speaker 2: I've been very fortunate in my life of thirty four
Speaker 2: years old to be able to see two Florida panthers.
Speaker 2: That was really cool. But people scare me. The element
Speaker 2: of people in the woods is it's a wild factor
Speaker 2: that everyone should really take into account when you going
Speaker 2: out there. That's why when people talk about going out
Speaker 2: and not having some form of protection and stuff with that,
Speaker 2: I kind of scoff at that acts. I'm like, man,
Speaker 2: you gotta have something, Carrie Spray, I have something on you,
Speaker 2: just something to protect yourself from. Please, because it's it's
Speaker 2: it's not sasquatching everything else I'm worried about. It's it's people.
Speaker 1: Well, that's understandable. You had your first experience of that
Speaker 1: old cemetery. Do you think there's anything to the notion
Speaker 1: that sasquatch or drawn to cemeteries?
Speaker 2: So I read into that a lot because again I
Speaker 2: went down the rabbit hole after my experience, and I
Speaker 2: think maybe because it's a quiet area, but at the
Speaker 2: same time it seems kind of out of place. It's like,
Speaker 2: wouldn't you suspect people to show up eventually? Mine would
Speaker 2: make sense because again, this one, you really have to
Speaker 2: go off trail to get to it. There's four of them.
Speaker 2: In this forest and this one it's probably second hardest
Speaker 2: to get to, but the other ones are really hard
Speaker 2: to get to. So I don't really know if there's
Speaker 2: a lot of proof to that. But I've also heard
Speaker 2: stories that dog man are also attracted as cemeteries too,
Speaker 2: because it seems to be a lot of reports circulating around,
Speaker 2: like Michigan's a great example of all the remote cemeteries
Speaker 2: out there. So I don't know. Maybe it's a quiet place,
Speaker 2: maybe it's an energy thing. There's some cemeteries that we've
Speaker 2: gone to to Clinging where it's I see all the
Speaker 2: I have kids. I have two kids myself, so anytime
Speaker 2: I see small tombstones and you know, very short years
Speaker 2: of life, it kind of chokes me up because it
Speaker 2: really brings it to my appreciation for my children, how
Speaker 2: I have them now and stuff, and it makes me sad,
Speaker 2: you know. So maybe it's an energy thing. I've heard
Speaker 2: that so many times now that I really don't know
Speaker 2: how to give that a straight answer, but it's it's weird.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of reports around some terris.
Speaker 1: It sure does seem like there might be something to that,
Speaker 1: and if there is, it sure makes you wonder what
Speaker 1: would draw them to a cemetery.
Speaker 2: I have no idea. It's again, I'm leaning more towards
Speaker 2: maybe like the energy factor of the cemetery. The cemetery
Speaker 2: that we spend a lot of time on, the one
Speaker 2: where this happened. It's an old colored cemetery, it's an
Speaker 2: old black cemetery, and it's it's kind of neglected and
Speaker 2: so that so fortunately for me and my girlfriend, we
Speaker 2: reached out to the State Forester Department and we were
Speaker 2: given legal permission to be in there and help maintain
Speaker 2: and help fix things up and stuff like that, and
Speaker 2: we try to do as much as we can out
Speaker 2: there or what we have. So it's it again, I've
Speaker 2: mean thinking about it now talking about this view, I'd
Speaker 2: definitely say it's probably gonna be more about the energy
Speaker 2: of the factor, because there's been times we've gone to
Speaker 2: that cemetery night where you like, you feel like something's wrong,
Speaker 2: you know, like you really shouldn't be there, and then
Speaker 2: most time we're there, it's fine to any other cemetery,
Speaker 2: nothing crazy, you know, odd feelings.
Speaker 1: Well, if there are drawing to energies around cemeteries, and
Speaker 1: that would lend credence to the idea that there are
Speaker 1: supernatural beings or spiritual beings, so one thing leads to another.
Speaker 1: I guess when it comes to that. I don't know.
Speaker 1: When the sasquatch was moving across your field of view,
Speaker 1: holding its arms the way it did, were shoulders facing
Speaker 1: toward its direction of travel or did it have its
Speaker 1: shoulders facing you while.
Speaker 2: It moved sideways direction or travel? It almost looked like
Speaker 2: it was using until I kind of help balance it.
Speaker 2: You know, if I had to guesstimate how tall, i'd
Speaker 2: say that thing was, then it was some four to
Speaker 2: five feet. Because I was at six', ONE i was
Speaker 2: definitely am much larger than. It SO i don't know the.
Speaker 2: Anatomy maybe someone else has seen these juveniles and maybe
Speaker 2: they have a hard time walking in their early years or.
Speaker 2: Something mike said we talked about. It he's, like maybe
Speaker 2: it was trying to be bigger than you BECAUSE i
Speaker 2: saw how big you. Were you, know WHEN i Say i'm,
Speaker 2: Big i'm not, like you, Know i'm just a tall.
Speaker 2: Guy but he's, like MAYBE i saw how big you
Speaker 2: were and it's got, worried and so that WAS i don't.
Speaker 2: Know it was. Weird but then WHEN i were at
Speaker 2: the zoo a few months pasted after that happened with the,
Speaker 2: kids AND i was over about the primate area And
Speaker 2: i'm watching them walk around and they were doing the same,
Speaker 2: thing using it from it and look like they were
Speaker 2: using it for a balance to go, across like just
Speaker 2: walking on the. Grass and my car comes over and
Speaker 2: she smacks me in the. Show she's like stop. IT
Speaker 2: i was like, What she's, LIKE i know what you're.
Speaker 2: Doing you're staring at them trying to understand why that
Speaker 2: thing walked away a. LOT i was, LIKE i have
Speaker 2: know what you're talking. About she's on to.
Speaker 1: You, yeah you can take a squatcher out of the,
Speaker 1: woods but you can't take the woods out of a.
Speaker 2: SQUATCHER i ain't that the. TRUTH i feel like EVERYTHING
Speaker 2: i do, now every TIME I i, work like anywhere's
Speaker 2: in like a remote. Area i'm always looking in the
Speaker 2: tree line now and stuff and just kind of scanning.
Speaker 2: Around And i'll telling, you, well one Day i'm a
Speaker 2: find like a really good tree break Because i'm kind
Speaker 2: of Like iffy on the tree break things and stuff like.
Speaker 2: That and IF i find like one that's really high
Speaker 2: up and makes no sense that it's perfectly snap over someone's.
Speaker 2: BACKYARD i might start a different conversation when it WHEN
Speaker 2: i finish up What i'm. Doing all that you.
Speaker 1: Might you, know that's a good thing, though helps you notice.
Speaker 1: Things how sure are you that what you saw that
Speaker 1: night was eye shine and not back lit?
Speaker 2: Eyes it looked right at, me it was it was
Speaker 2: where it was and the eye. Shine so we've SEEN
Speaker 2: i guess it would be the second. TIME i. Guess
Speaker 2: how DO i want to put? This so me And
Speaker 2: mike were together one night and we're an inch cheap
Speaker 2: and he was flipping around AND i saw what looked
Speaker 2: like eye. SHINE i can't guarantee you eye, shine but
Speaker 2: it was like that, yellowish kind of greenish. Color it
Speaker 2: almost reminded me a little bit of like a cat
Speaker 2: eye when you shine a light at it or something like,
Speaker 2: that and you could see the. Reflection and that's HOW
Speaker 2: i knew because like WHEN i saw the eye shine,
Speaker 2: INITIALLY i mind, YOU i was turning my head BECAUSE
Speaker 2: i was going to look at whatever was making all
Speaker 2: that noise in the, brush AND i caught it completely
Speaker 2: by accident and just snapped my head right to. It
Speaker 2: because IMMEDIATELY i was, like oh, Crap.
Speaker 1: I'll bet you said something a little more harsh than,
Speaker 1: that BUT i understand AND i appreciate. It you told
Speaker 1: us about all those owls you heard hooting that. Night
Speaker 1: how sure are you though that those were actually owls
Speaker 1: and not something else.
Speaker 2: Some of them, were Because i've heard owls all my
Speaker 2: life growing. UP i grew up in the. STICKS i,
Speaker 2: live you, know in a city pretty much, NOW i say,
Speaker 2: Loosely i'm gonna use you, know air quotes here for
Speaker 2: a city. Quote but Spring hill is not what it
Speaker 2: used to be WHEN i was growing. Up but WHERE
Speaker 2: i grew up at was actually kind of closer to
Speaker 2: where this sighting is not right on, it but you,
Speaker 2: know twenty thirty minutes away from there as opposed to
Speaker 2: WHERE i am. Now So i've heard owls all my.
Speaker 2: Life i've heard the screech, owls and some of them
Speaker 2: sounded like, owls and some of them sounded a little bit.
Speaker 2: Deeper i'm not a certainly they were all. Owls it
Speaker 2: could have. Been i've heard stories of people talking about them.
Speaker 2: MIMICKING i can't sit here and Say i've definitely heard,
Speaker 2: that BECAUSE i. Haven't i've loved to hear it and
Speaker 2: catch on an audio and just put it out there
Speaker 2: for other people to be, like that's, it that's WHAT i,
Speaker 2: heard you know WHAT i. Mean but it was really
Speaker 2: weird because we've walked that trail so many times AND
Speaker 2: i hear barn owls every now and. Then there were
Speaker 2: so many that, night and it was just back and,
Speaker 2: forth back and, forth back and forth the whole TIME
Speaker 2: i was. WALKING i think it was BECAUSE i was by.
Speaker 2: Myself that was one of the first TIMES i was
Speaker 2: really by myself walking the.
Speaker 1: Trail, yeah you would know all that, experience all that
Speaker 1: time out there in the, woods growing up in the,
Speaker 1: Woods so, yeah you would definitely. Know what's been the
Speaker 1: hardest lesson you've had to learn while investigating these.
Speaker 2: Guys not to get your hopes, up not to go
Speaker 2: out and expect something to, happen because it's not gonna.
Speaker 2: HAPPEN i feel like a broken record plan is saying.
Speaker 2: THIS i told us to everybody who asked me about,
Speaker 2: this like at, work say, No i'm interested in this
Speaker 2: stuff like, that or family and friends asked me about.
Speaker 2: It to not go out and expect you to, see you,
Speaker 2: know a beast standing in them of the road waving at. You, saying,
Speaker 2: hey how's it, Going because it's not gonna, happen you
Speaker 2: have a chance. ENCOUNTER i wasn't doing this a year.
Speaker 2: AGO a year, AGO i was just hanging out with
Speaker 2: my girlfriend doing other things like, That like completely by
Speaker 2: chance THAT i fell into. This never in my life
Speaker 2: THOUGHT i would ever see, one BECAUSE i would Just
Speaker 2: i'd go into the woods all the, time fishing and.
Speaker 2: Stuff never had anything. Happen but then after, this NOW
Speaker 2: i look back on stuff And i'm just, like, gee, maybe.
Speaker 1: YEAH i have the experiences that you've, had and it'll
Speaker 1: definitely open up your eyes to the. Possibilities that's a.
Speaker 1: Given what's about time for us to call it, Here.
Speaker 1: Mike but before we, DO i just want to thank
Speaker 1: you so much for coming. On i'm sharing those experiences with.
Speaker 1: US i really appreciate.
Speaker 2: IT i appreciate you to give me the time to voice,
Speaker 2: this and you got a good. Platform i've listened to
Speaker 2: quite a few of your. EPISODES i really enjoy what you're,
Speaker 2: doing and hopefully in the, future if something else, Happens
Speaker 2: i'll have some really, good juicy stories for.
Speaker 1: You well you, Know i'll be here if anything like that. Happens,
Speaker 1: yeah please do let me. Know i'd love to bring
Speaker 1: you back. ON i appreciate you. Well it goes two.
Speaker 1: Ways thanks again so much for your time and have
Speaker 1: a great.
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Speaker 2: Night