WEBVTT 1 00:00:23.280 --> 00:00:26.920 Welcome back, midnight viewers. Oh what theme was that? What 2 00:00:27.480 --> 00:00:29.359 show did you tune into? Is it a new fest? 3 00:00:29.640 --> 00:00:34.600 You're goddamn right, it is. Welcome to Star Trek Fest HP, 4 00:00:35.520 --> 00:00:41.600 my Fest, pal, my fst friend and I have decided 5 00:00:41.640 --> 00:00:45.159 to take the crazy path of reviewing the Star Trek 6 00:00:45.240 --> 00:00:49.320 motion pictures in their entirety. We're not going to be 7 00:00:49.320 --> 00:00:53.200 talking about the TV shows, the multitude of TV shows, 8 00:00:53.359 --> 00:00:56.200 or the cross over tie in books, well a little. 9 00:00:56.359 --> 00:00:58.840 I mean, you kind of can't not when it gets 10 00:00:58.960 --> 00:01:01.039 comes to Star Trek. All of the lore is so 11 00:01:01.200 --> 00:01:04.719 inextricably linked in all of the different media. Hell, we're 12 00:01:04.760 --> 00:01:06.959 going to talk about the blooper reels at some point, 13 00:01:07.519 --> 00:01:10.200 but we're going to start it all off. Well, first 14 00:01:10.239 --> 00:01:12.439 of all, I have a co host. I mentioned him, HB. 15 00:01:12.480 --> 00:01:14.200 How you doing, buddy, I'm great. 16 00:01:14.239 --> 00:01:18.079 The Human Adventure Father Malone is just beginning. I'm so excited. 17 00:01:18.159 --> 00:01:22.159 I think we have thirteen movies and all that we're 18 00:01:22.159 --> 00:01:23.439 going to be covering in this fest. 19 00:01:23.920 --> 00:01:26.400 Hopefully they'll be fourteen by the time we finish. 20 00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:28.079 We'll see, we'll see. 21 00:01:28.280 --> 00:01:29.159 Here's the trailer. 22 00:01:38.040 --> 00:01:48.319 The Human Adventure is just beginning. William Shatner take us 23 00:01:48.319 --> 00:01:55.239 Out is Captain James T. Kirk, Leonard Nimoy is mister Spuck. 24 00:01:56.959 --> 00:02:03.040 Deforus Kelly is doctor Leonard bones Coy, James Douhan is 25 00:02:03.040 --> 00:02:09.599 Lieutenant Commander Montgomery Scott, George Takay is Lieutenant Commander Zulu. 26 00:02:11.159 --> 00:02:16.840 Rachel Barrett is doctor Christine Chaplin. Walter Kinig is Lieutenant 27 00:02:16.919 --> 00:02:26.120 Pavel Chekhov, Michelle Nichols is Lieutenant Commander Hura. Stephen Collins 28 00:02:26.439 --> 00:03:08.479 is Commander Willard Decker. Percis Cambata is Lieutenant Iria Sta 29 00:03:08.599 --> 00:03:15.039 Trek the motion picture Geane Roders Brede's production of a 30 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:18.840 Robert Wise film, Aha. 31 00:03:18.759 --> 00:03:22.280 The French Oh Man, I got Orson Wells pulled him 32 00:03:22.280 --> 00:03:24.039 out of off bulls to do that trailer, so you 33 00:03:24.199 --> 00:03:28.159 know it means business. By the way, why did they 34 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:32.479 mention Michelle Barrett as fucking nurse Chapel get out of here? 35 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:37.080 Nobody remembered her? Oh right, Gene Roddenberry HP, this was 36 00:03:37.120 --> 00:03:40.520 your first time watching Star Trek the motion picture, wasn't it? No? 37 00:03:41.159 --> 00:03:44.639 It was not. It was definitely not. Because we've talked 38 00:03:44.680 --> 00:03:46.960 about this in the past. I know we have another 39 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:51.680 episode's Father alone, but this so I got cable probably 40 00:03:51.759 --> 00:03:56.000 somewhere around seven or eight years old, and this was 41 00:03:56.080 --> 00:04:01.400 one of the big prestige premieres on cable at that time. 42 00:04:01.439 --> 00:04:05.000 I remember the Cable Guide. Oh yes, the Cable Guide 43 00:04:05.120 --> 00:04:09.159 had that month's Cable Guide had the movie poster for 44 00:04:09.199 --> 00:04:12.520 the motion picture. So this was a big deal when 45 00:04:12.520 --> 00:04:14.680 this So I saw it. Here's the thing, I don't 46 00:04:14.719 --> 00:04:18.319 think I actually watched the movie in its entirety as 47 00:04:18.360 --> 00:04:22.319 a movie as a single experience for a while, because 48 00:04:22.480 --> 00:04:23.800 I was when I'm a kid. I would just turn 49 00:04:23.879 --> 00:04:26.560 on the TV and there's a scene from Star Trek, 50 00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:28.720 and let's be honest, we'll get into this, but there's 51 00:04:28.759 --> 00:04:31.439 a lot of nothing that happens in this movie. It's 52 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:34.199 kind of hard to ask a seven or eight year 53 00:04:34.240 --> 00:04:38.360 old to sit through what a two hour plus movie 54 00:04:38.399 --> 00:04:41.800 with not a lot of action happening for a lot 55 00:04:41.879 --> 00:04:45.399 of stretches of this movie. But so, yeah, i'd seen 56 00:04:45.439 --> 00:04:48.519 it more recently than that, but certainly not with this 57 00:04:48.680 --> 00:04:49.800 level of focus. 58 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:55.120 Now, what was your prior to watching the movie? Now, 59 00:04:55.560 --> 00:05:00.240 clearly that's early times, But had you been a aware 60 00:05:00.279 --> 00:05:02.199 of Star Trek? Were you a fan of Star Trek? 61 00:05:02.199 --> 00:05:03.759 Did you watch the show before that? 62 00:05:04.519 --> 00:05:06.560 It was Star Trek was one of those things that 63 00:05:06.680 --> 00:05:09.279 was always kind of in the firmament at that time. Like, 64 00:05:09.319 --> 00:05:12.319 I can't remember a time that Star Trek wasn't around. 65 00:05:12.800 --> 00:05:15.920 I knew who William Shatner was. The show was on. 66 00:05:16.120 --> 00:05:19.000 It was probably on in Channel thirty eight in the 67 00:05:19.040 --> 00:05:23.480 Boston area at night, the reruns. Because we're old, but 68 00:05:23.480 --> 00:05:27.040 we're not that old. It was on reruns. I caught 69 00:05:27.079 --> 00:05:30.839 the odd episode bits and pieces my older brothers. 70 00:05:30.959 --> 00:05:33.720 The show went off there in nineteen seventy. You and 71 00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:37.480 I were born in seventy three. We were watching reruns, right, 72 00:05:37.560 --> 00:05:38.279 Star Trek. 73 00:05:38.600 --> 00:05:40.319 I just want I don't want to any I want 74 00:05:40.319 --> 00:05:42.560 to be clear on that we're old. But we did 75 00:05:42.639 --> 00:05:45.079 watch this in reruns, but mainly for me, it was 76 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:47.720 my older brothers probably that we're watching it, and I 77 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:50.879 would just watch it with them passively, not really thinking 78 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:56.399 about it. But certainly the theme has never been anything 79 00:05:56.439 --> 00:05:59.360 but totally familiar to me. Everybody knows the theme, even 80 00:05:59.360 --> 00:06:01.920 if you're not a fan. But let me ask you, 81 00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:05.759 because you didn't you had older siblings, but not older 82 00:06:05.759 --> 00:06:09.079 brothers like I did to that degree, when did you 83 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:10.800 become aware of Star Trek Originally? 84 00:06:11.079 --> 00:06:13.439 I can't think of a time I don't remember Star Trek. 85 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:15.560 I've been obsessed with Star Trek as far as I 86 00:06:15.560 --> 00:06:20.079 can remember. By the time. Before this movie, I remember 87 00:06:20.199 --> 00:06:26.600 being so goddamned proud of a red shirt Starfleet shirt 88 00:06:26.920 --> 00:06:29.920 that my mother had gotten for me. Automatically, Scottie became 89 00:06:29.920 --> 00:06:31.839 my favorite member of the crew because we had the 90 00:06:31.839 --> 00:06:37.079 same shirt. So when Star Trek the motion picture was 91 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:41.199 released on December seventh of nineteen seventy nine, which I 92 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:42.959 haven't given the stance for, but I'll get to it. 93 00:06:43.279 --> 00:06:45.800 When that I was, I was there opening weekend. I 94 00:06:45.879 --> 00:06:49.199 was there that opening night to see it really with 95 00:06:49.240 --> 00:06:54.800 my parents. Yes, wow, Okay, So I remember vividly the 96 00:06:54.839 --> 00:06:59.000 opening of the movie, almost formative in a way because 97 00:06:59.680 --> 00:07:01.959 it will look this is We're going to get to 98 00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:03.759 all of the history in this and everything. But this 99 00:07:03.800 --> 00:07:06.839 is the first time a television series really had made 100 00:07:06.920 --> 00:07:09.279 the jump to movies. I know there had been strung 101 00:07:09.319 --> 00:07:11.959 together episodes in the past, and they did that stupid 102 00:07:11.959 --> 00:07:14.879 Batman movie in sixty six, which was just like I said, 103 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:18.160 a couple of episodes of the series effectively strung together 104 00:07:18.240 --> 00:07:21.800 to feature length, which that show already was doing that 105 00:07:22.040 --> 00:07:25.160 every episode was a cliffanger. Anyway, it struck me how 106 00:07:25.959 --> 00:07:29.160 different you can make something and how you can rewrite it, 107 00:07:29.160 --> 00:07:32.519 because they do that immediately with the Klingons. So that 108 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:34.639 struck me. And then it struck me that you can 109 00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:40.519 also ruin something that you love by making changes to 110 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:45.600 things that seemingly made no sense whatsoever. I think ultimately 111 00:07:46.199 --> 00:07:48.639 I watched it like you did on cable a bunch, 112 00:07:48.800 --> 00:07:52.240 because we that's what we did as a generation. We 113 00:07:52.319 --> 00:07:55.959 watched television and if there was a fucking movie on, 114 00:07:56.160 --> 00:07:58.800 all the better, and if there's a movie on uninterrupted 115 00:07:58.839 --> 00:08:02.439 by commercial and you get the full import of it. 116 00:08:02.759 --> 00:08:06.079 So I watched the movie probably more than I should 117 00:08:06.120 --> 00:08:10.079 have as a youngster, but it was in a starved 118 00:08:10.160 --> 00:08:13.800 for content kind of a way, more than I'm really 119 00:08:13.920 --> 00:08:17.319 enjoying this. I wouldn't really start enjoying Star Trek movies 120 00:08:17.920 --> 00:08:20.519 like the rest of the world until Wrath of God. 121 00:08:21.079 --> 00:08:23.360 This was just which was which was not that long 122 00:08:23.600 --> 00:08:24.800 honestly to wait. 123 00:08:25.319 --> 00:08:29.439 Sure, and this was again beggars couldn't be choosers. This 124 00:08:29.600 --> 00:08:35.000 was just on TV and us being seven eight years old, 125 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:38.200 what have you. I wasn't necessarily in control of the 126 00:08:38.240 --> 00:08:41.559 television most of the time, so if my dad was 127 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:45.399 watching Star Trek, then I was watching Star Trek. And 128 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:48.360 one of the things I was really struck by I 129 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:51.080 was rewatching it this time. The first thing, in fact, 130 00:08:51.320 --> 00:08:56.279 was that, as you said, it was a novelty at 131 00:08:56.279 --> 00:09:01.159 the time to have a fairly simple stick TV show 132 00:09:01.720 --> 00:09:05.519 kind of graduate to the cinematic experience, and this did 133 00:09:05.679 --> 00:09:09.840 feel like a prestige bid. This is a movie that 134 00:09:10.000 --> 00:09:14.799 started with a three minute overture with nothing but scrolling 135 00:09:14.919 --> 00:09:19.720 starfields as Jerry Goldsmith's music plays underneath it. This is 136 00:09:19.759 --> 00:09:21.840 something that I was used to seeing in movies like 137 00:09:21.879 --> 00:09:24.799 The Ten Commandments. This was not something that I would 138 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:28.600 have expected from Star Trek the motion picture. This is 139 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:32.000 before even the paramount logo is shown on the screen, 140 00:09:32.200 --> 00:09:34.799 so clearly they were aiming big with this. 141 00:09:35.279 --> 00:09:37.600 It's super bizarre. Let me just tell you and I 142 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:40.320 watched the director's cut, which probably the blu ray of 143 00:09:40.360 --> 00:09:43.120 the director's cut, and when the overture comes up, you 144 00:09:43.159 --> 00:09:47.840 have the starfield playing right in previous iterations on video 145 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:52.519 and DVD, there is no starfield for a good minute 146 00:09:52.519 --> 00:09:55.559 and a half of the three minute overture, so you're 147 00:09:55.600 --> 00:09:58.600 just looking at a blank screen and then eventually a 148 00:09:58.679 --> 00:10:02.000 stars fade up and you go, oh, okay, see I 149 00:10:02.039 --> 00:10:05.759 agree with you. It announces itself as a prestige picture, 150 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:10.480 as a throwback to a grand event of a movie release, 151 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:14.320 but it didn't really take into consideration the fact that 152 00:10:14.399 --> 00:10:17.879 those movies usually said overture, so you knew what the 153 00:10:17.879 --> 00:10:20.879 fuck was going on. Because this is nineteen seventy nine. 154 00:10:21.039 --> 00:10:23.080 This doesn't meet me in Saint Louis, you know what 155 00:10:23.080 --> 00:10:25.799 I mean? Now? Having said that, I think it's awesome 156 00:10:25.799 --> 00:10:28.279 that they did it, and the more Jerry Goldsmith music 157 00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:30.679 you get to hear in the world, the better. But 158 00:10:30.799 --> 00:10:33.159 it's still weird that they did it this. 159 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:34.320 It's very weird. 160 00:10:34.399 --> 00:10:37.159 But in a movie that's going to be over long anyway, 161 00:10:37.320 --> 00:10:39.919 let's tack on three minutes of Sit Here and listen 162 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:42.919 to the score as if it's going to pay off later. 163 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:47.639 It was crazy. But since we're talking about Jerry Goldsmith's score, 164 00:10:47.679 --> 00:10:49.200 well let's get into it a little bit before we 165 00:10:49.279 --> 00:10:52.600 dig into Now. I adore his score here. I think 166 00:10:52.639 --> 00:10:56.879 it's fabulous. I think it feels it's got all of 167 00:10:56.919 --> 00:11:02.320 the bouncy, sort of daring do themes cues but one 168 00:11:02.360 --> 00:11:05.039 of the things that kind of announces that there's a 169 00:11:05.159 --> 00:11:09.480 darkness to this movie is that there's this harsh drone 170 00:11:09.639 --> 00:11:13.320 sound that intrudes every so often. And I didn't, I never, 171 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:15.960 I didn't know what this was until I started doing 172 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:25.159 research for this episode. Father alone, Oh you mean this, Yes, 173 00:11:25.399 --> 00:11:28.399 that's exactly it. It's what I learned, and what I'm 174 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:30.480 sure you have there in front of you is that 175 00:11:30.759 --> 00:11:34.159 this is an instrument developed and played by a fellow 176 00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:37.440 named Craig Huxley, called the blaster beam. It's basically a 177 00:11:37.480 --> 00:11:43.679 twelve foot beam strung with long cables strings and played 178 00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:47.399 by striking the strings and using this crazy sort of 179 00:11:47.480 --> 00:11:50.120 metal slide to go up and down the beam. The 180 00:11:50.159 --> 00:11:53.080 funny part is I had a sense memory. I didn't 181 00:11:53.080 --> 00:11:55.080 I haven't seen this movie many years, but I had 182 00:11:55.080 --> 00:11:59.120 a sense memory of that same sound when I was 183 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:03.360 watching Attack of the Clones the second episode two the 184 00:12:03.360 --> 00:12:07.279 Star Wars movie, because that's the sound. There's a scene 185 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:10.519 where Django Fett is setting off these seismic charges and 186 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:15.279 pursuing Obi Wan Kenobi. The seismic charge is the sound 187 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:19.799 of the blaster beam, and in this picture, the blaster 188 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:24.559 beam is meant to give this sort of discordant, scary, 189 00:12:24.759 --> 00:12:30.080 outer spacey tone to the main sort of villain of 190 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:34.080 the piece, which we'll find out is this living machine 191 00:12:34.120 --> 00:12:40.000 called Vedure. But the sound of that, those cables vibrating, 192 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:44.679 it felt outer spacey in a scary way. It feels remote, 193 00:12:44.720 --> 00:12:49.919 it feels alien. It totally matches the vibe that I 194 00:12:49.960 --> 00:12:53.279 think Robert Wise is going for, the director is going for, 195 00:12:53.519 --> 00:12:56.120 and it gave the movie this, like I said, this 196 00:12:56.279 --> 00:13:01.559 darkness that was never really present in the original and 197 00:13:01.600 --> 00:13:04.679 I love that about the sound. It's almost People love 198 00:13:04.720 --> 00:13:07.840 to point to a soundtrack like Tron Wendy Carlos combining 199 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:11.600 synth sounds with orchestral sounds, and this is a great advancement. 200 00:13:12.039 --> 00:13:12.320 To me. 201 00:13:13.200 --> 00:13:16.639 This is almost on that level because it's this beautiful, 202 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:21.840 sweeping score that's matched up with this crazy, giant, alien 203 00:13:21.960 --> 00:13:25.919 sounding instrument and it all works and it's a wonderful score. 204 00:13:26.399 --> 00:13:27.919 So a gush for a little bit. 205 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:32.399 It is by far the best thing that came out 206 00:13:32.399 --> 00:13:35.320 of Star Trek the motion picture is Jerry Goldsmith's score. 207 00:13:35.840 --> 00:13:40.799 It sets the bar high for the entire series musically. 208 00:13:41.159 --> 00:13:46.799 It also delineates where we're gonna go not only look. Obviously, 209 00:13:47.000 --> 00:13:51.519 Next Generation just gacked the main title and that became 210 00:13:51.559 --> 00:13:53.519 the theme. So when I hear that theme now, I 211 00:13:53.600 --> 00:13:56.879 do think Next Generation above all? How can we too? 212 00:13:57.399 --> 00:13:59.879 Yeah? Me too. Yeah, But it's important for people who 213 00:13:59.879 --> 00:14:03.279 are familiar with the original motion picture and maybe only 214 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:06.000 familiar with the Next Generation. You got to check out 215 00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:08.679 this movie in this score because this is where it 216 00:14:08.720 --> 00:14:12.519 was introduced and it works so well, and because the 217 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:17.480 original Star Trek theme is so iconic and indelible, but 218 00:14:17.559 --> 00:14:19.840 it would not have worked for this picture. This picture 219 00:14:19.919 --> 00:14:24.360 is so much darker and more just deeper than those 220 00:14:24.399 --> 00:14:28.919 original how could it not be than the original sixties show? 221 00:14:29.080 --> 00:14:32.600 So for me that this is a big tick. In 222 00:14:32.639 --> 00:14:35.039 the plus column is Jerry Goldsmith's score. 223 00:14:35.519 --> 00:14:39.840 Jerry Goldsmith in nineteen sixty five was approached by fledgling 224 00:14:40.480 --> 00:14:44.039 executive producer Gene Roddenberry to score the pilot for his 225 00:14:44.080 --> 00:14:47.840 new series Star Trek, but Goldsmith was previously engaged at 226 00:14:47.840 --> 00:14:50.240 that moment and could not do the work. So this 227 00:14:50.360 --> 00:14:53.399 is in a way kind of a fulfillment and kind 228 00:14:53.399 --> 00:14:55.559 of points to the way that it could have been 229 00:14:55.600 --> 00:14:58.320 fucking awesome. Bank then too, I'm glad he didn't. I'm 230 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:00.519 glad we got to wait because the Alexander Urage music 231 00:15:00.639 --> 00:15:03.799 is perfect for that show. But this knows where this 232 00:15:03.919 --> 00:15:07.480 film series knows more than the fucking filmmakers does. 233 00:15:07.960 --> 00:15:10.519 It's true, this elevates it in the way that the 234 00:15:10.559 --> 00:15:15.039 best soundtracks can elevate a picture, make a picture feel great. 235 00:15:15.519 --> 00:15:18.279 And this does so much heavy lifting for this movie 236 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:21.440 it's impossible to really, we can't oversell it. 237 00:15:21.919 --> 00:15:29.120 And the use of interesting instruments and discordant sounds were 238 00:15:29.240 --> 00:15:32.480 par for the course for Jerry Goldsmith. Remember, back in 239 00:15:32.519 --> 00:15:34.759 the late sixties he did the theme for Planet of 240 00:15:34.799 --> 00:15:39.960 the Apes, which is as weirdo and bizarre soundtracks. It's 241 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:44.679 experimental really, and that was Goldsmith wanting to make a 242 00:15:44.720 --> 00:15:47.600 soundtrack as if it had come from an alien world. 243 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:51.320 And here when he took the job, now he had 244 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:53.399 worked with Robert Wise back in the sixties they did 245 00:15:53.399 --> 00:15:56.600 The Sand Pebbles together. That's a Steve McQueen Navy movie. 246 00:15:57.039 --> 00:16:00.480 So when Goldsmith takes the job here, his attitude was, oh, 247 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:03.799 this is like a naval picture as well. And more 248 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:08.159 than that, science fiction is like a Western. It's they're 249 00:16:08.200 --> 00:16:12.320 going out in there, they're Calistoga wagons and out into 250 00:16:12.320 --> 00:16:14.960 the great unknown. And in fact, if you listen to 251 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:18.919 the initial score he did for Star Trek the motion picture, 252 00:16:19.240 --> 00:16:22.399 Robert Wise criticized him as saying, this sounds like a 253 00:16:22.440 --> 00:16:26.679 wagon train score. It needs to be science fiction y. 254 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:29.600 And then Goldsmith came up with the score that we got, 255 00:16:30.159 --> 00:16:33.600 which is, as I said, magnificent. But the darkness that 256 00:16:33.639 --> 00:16:36.240 you were talking about with Vgre, with those with that 257 00:16:36.279 --> 00:16:40.879 weirdo sound effect, the flangy guitar sound, that's the sound 258 00:16:40.960 --> 00:16:43.279 that I took away from the movie. It's when I 259 00:16:43.320 --> 00:16:45.039 think of when I think of the movie, and when 260 00:16:45.039 --> 00:16:47.840 I think of Vegure. And now I spent the last 261 00:16:47.879 --> 00:16:50.480 week or so listening to the soundtrack on a loop basically, 262 00:16:50.919 --> 00:16:55.200 and that is the sound of Vigure when Vegre exists 263 00:16:55.279 --> 00:16:58.360 in the distance and as a threat. The closer you 264 00:16:58.440 --> 00:17:02.120 get to Vegure. There is in a church pipe organ 265 00:17:02.279 --> 00:17:06.000 sound underneath it all, and that was so exciting to 266 00:17:06.079 --> 00:17:09.240 hear for the first time I heard instruments i'd never 267 00:17:09.319 --> 00:17:12.720 heard before. I heard I heard a glockenspiel at some point, 268 00:17:13.480 --> 00:17:16.160 and more than anything, the point I want to make 269 00:17:16.200 --> 00:17:19.680 about the music above all, and they've tried to replicate it, 270 00:17:19.720 --> 00:17:22.680 but they've never done as good a job is. He 271 00:17:22.799 --> 00:17:25.839 not only gives us this magnificent score for the enterprise, 272 00:17:25.920 --> 00:17:29.359 because that's the music that Fanfare has written for the 273 00:17:29.400 --> 00:17:31.400 reveal of the enterprise, we might as well call that 274 00:17:31.480 --> 00:17:35.680 the enterprises theme. The other major score that he set, 275 00:17:35.920 --> 00:17:39.440 that he sets in stone is the Klingon theme. I 276 00:17:39.440 --> 00:17:41.240 can hear it in my head right now. You can 277 00:17:41.240 --> 00:17:43.000 hear it at home right now. If you can't hear 278 00:17:43.039 --> 00:18:26.720 it is it's fucking incredible. 279 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:29.480 Man, that's great. So so we've talked a little bit 280 00:18:29.480 --> 00:18:32.119 about the plot and broad strokes, but ultimately, what is 281 00:18:32.160 --> 00:18:33.240 the plot of this movie? 282 00:18:33.279 --> 00:18:35.400 Father Below, I'm not going to answer that. You're going 283 00:18:35.480 --> 00:18:38.519 to answer that, but I'll tell you I'm gonna. I'm gonna, Okay, 284 00:18:38.599 --> 00:18:40.920 I might this episode might go a little long, everybody, 285 00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:44.960 because I do want to get to this movie, like 286 00:18:45.039 --> 00:18:48.640 it or hate it does, in fact sent the template 287 00:18:48.799 --> 00:18:51.640 for what's going to come. For everything they do right, 288 00:18:51.920 --> 00:18:55.240 that gets included for everything they do wrong. That's it's 289 00:18:55.599 --> 00:18:59.960 all important. And how we get to there, I think 290 00:19:00.200 --> 00:19:04.319 is as interesting as the movie, actually more interesting than 291 00:19:04.319 --> 00:19:06.480 the movie. This is not an apocalypse now, hearts of 292 00:19:06.559 --> 00:19:12.440 darkness situation. But this is a Werner Herzog Fitzcaraldo sort 293 00:19:12.440 --> 00:19:14.640 of situation. I think the story behind the making of 294 00:19:14.720 --> 00:19:17.160 the movie is actually more interesting than the movie itself. 295 00:19:17.519 --> 00:19:20.920 Now agreed, Okay. So Star Trek goes off the air 296 00:19:20.960 --> 00:19:26.359 in nineteen seventy and immediately it causes the birth of 297 00:19:26.440 --> 00:19:29.640 fan conventions. There had been a very famous letter writing 298 00:19:29.680 --> 00:19:32.079 campaign to keep Star Trek on the air, which worked, 299 00:19:32.599 --> 00:19:37.720 so fans of Star Trek felt emboldened. Now Gene Roddenberry 300 00:19:37.839 --> 00:19:41.480 himself didn't understand how powerful those fans were, nor did 301 00:19:41.480 --> 00:19:43.319 he understand their makeup. He thought there were a bunch 302 00:19:43.319 --> 00:19:45.400 of twitching nerds in the dark and didn't realize they 303 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:48.200 were from like all walks of life, people who were 304 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:51.640 actually interested in the space program and the in futurism 305 00:19:51.720 --> 00:19:55.920 and science fiction and anyway. So he attempts a couple 306 00:19:55.960 --> 00:20:01.039 of different series with Genesis two and and there's another 307 00:20:01.359 --> 00:20:03.359 serious he tries to get out there. Nothing is working, 308 00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:07.000 and then he goes to a Star Trek convention, sees 309 00:20:07.039 --> 00:20:10.319 what the big deal is, embraces it fully start selling 310 00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:14.359 those blooper reels, which causes a huge fukaroo with Leonard Nimoy, 311 00:20:14.440 --> 00:20:18.160 who's already pissed that they're using his likeness to sell bullshit. 312 00:20:18.640 --> 00:20:21.400 Now in that case, there's nothing you can do about that. 313 00:20:21.680 --> 00:20:23.680 He sold this likeness for Spock. If they want to 314 00:20:23.680 --> 00:20:25.720 put it on underwear, they can put it on underwear. 315 00:20:25.880 --> 00:20:30.039 But selling the bloopers, that's a whole other thing. But 316 00:20:30.319 --> 00:20:33.200 he never agreed to have that footage sold. He appeared 317 00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:37.839 on a television anyway. So based on the popularity of 318 00:20:37.880 --> 00:20:42.559 the conventions and a recent Saturday Night Live sketch parodying 319 00:20:43.359 --> 00:20:47.079 Star Trek, he's given the greenlight to write a treatment 320 00:20:47.119 --> 00:20:49.960 for a feature film, a three million dollar feature film, 321 00:20:50.000 --> 00:20:53.880 and that movie that screenplay is The God Thing, where 322 00:20:54.400 --> 00:20:58.839 a creature from deep space is making its way toward 323 00:20:58.920 --> 00:21:02.759 our solar system and claims to be our God and 324 00:21:02.799 --> 00:21:05.880 he is returning to take what's his. And as he 325 00:21:05.920 --> 00:21:10.440 gets to our solar system, Kirk who cares, They go 326 00:21:10.480 --> 00:21:13.599 out to meet the thing and it turns out not 327 00:21:13.720 --> 00:21:16.119 to be God, or it is, but it's no longer 328 00:21:16.200 --> 00:21:21.880 relevant because Roddenberry was a think piece guy overall. Guess what. 329 00:21:22.359 --> 00:21:25.559 Paramount didn't want to do that. So he then turns 330 00:21:25.559 --> 00:21:28.720 to his assistant Ron Povel who comes up with another 331 00:21:28.759 --> 00:21:32.880 screenplay idea and he presents that to Roddenberry, who Roddenberry 332 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:36.599 dismisses it as good enough for TV. But this is 333 00:21:36.720 --> 00:21:42.119 what we're talking features now, right, Okay Rodenberry. At this 334 00:21:42.240 --> 00:21:46.400 point Paramount kind of steps in and says, maybe what 335 00:21:46.440 --> 00:21:49.119 you want to do is go to another writer. So 336 00:21:49.160 --> 00:21:52.920 they start interviewing writers independent of Rodenberry and with Roddenberry. 337 00:21:53.160 --> 00:21:57.359 So this is the time when Ray Bradberry and Robert 338 00:21:57.400 --> 00:22:02.680 Silverberg get called in and mister Harlan Ellison, now this 339 00:22:02.759 --> 00:22:05.440 story is rather famous, and I'm going to read it 340 00:22:05.480 --> 00:22:08.079 to you in its entirety. These are in Harlan's words 341 00:22:08.079 --> 00:22:10.319 from a letter he wrote to Stephen King who was 342 00:22:10.359 --> 00:22:13.799 inquiring about it. Because where on the street was There 343 00:22:13.839 --> 00:22:16.279 was a big meeting and they had all the writers 344 00:22:16.279 --> 00:22:18.920 in one room and they said, give us the biggest idea. 345 00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:21.559 And they keep geting bigger and bigger ideas, and they 346 00:22:21.599 --> 00:22:23.880 keep going bigger, we want bigger ideas. And then finally 347 00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:26.200 Harlan Elison gives them the biggest idea of all time. 348 00:22:26.440 --> 00:22:28.720 They tell him bigger than that. He flips them off 349 00:22:28.720 --> 00:22:32.839 and walks out. That's the story everyone was told here's Harlan. 350 00:22:32.920 --> 00:22:35.000 In Harlan's words, pardon me that I'm going to read this, 351 00:22:35.039 --> 00:22:37.000 and it's lengthy. Paramount had been trying to get a 352 00:22:37.039 --> 00:22:40.240 Star Trek film in the works for some time. Roddenberry 353 00:22:40.359 --> 00:22:42.359 was determined that his name would be on the writing 354 00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:45.720 credits somehow. The trouble is he can't write for sour 355 00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:49.480 Owl Poop. He has his one idea done six or 356 00:22:49.519 --> 00:22:52.480 seven times in the series and again in the future film, 357 00:22:52.799 --> 00:22:55.440 is that the crew of the Enterprise goes into deepest space, 358 00:22:55.680 --> 00:22:58.720 finds God, and God turns out to be insane or 359 00:22:58.759 --> 00:23:02.079 a child or both. I'd been called in twice prior 360 00:23:02.079 --> 00:23:05.279 to nineteen seventy five to discuss the story. Other writers 361 00:23:05.279 --> 00:23:08.079 had also been milked. Paramount couldn't make up their minds 362 00:23:08.119 --> 00:23:10.359 and had even kicked Gene off the project a few 363 00:23:10.400 --> 00:23:13.599 times until he brought in lawyers. Then the palace guard 364 00:23:13.680 --> 00:23:16.240 changed again at Paramount and Dillar and Eisner came over 365 00:23:16.279 --> 00:23:20.319 from ABC and brought a cadre of their buddies, one 366 00:23:20.359 --> 00:23:24.480 of them an ex scent designer named Mark Trabulus. Roddenberry 367 00:23:24.519 --> 00:23:26.880 suggested me as the centairist for the film. With this 368 00:23:26.960 --> 00:23:30.000 Trabulist the latest of They Know Nothing Duds, Paramount had 369 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:32.759 assigned to the Troublesome project. I had a talk with 370 00:23:32.839 --> 00:23:35.920 Gene about a storyline. He told me that they kept 371 00:23:35.920 --> 00:23:39.039 wanting bigger and bigger stories, and no matter what was suggested, 372 00:23:39.119 --> 00:23:42.400 it wasn't big enough. I devised a storyline and Gene 373 00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:44.480 liked it and set up a meeting with Tribulus for 374 00:23:44.559 --> 00:23:48.400 December eleventh, nineteen seventy five. That meeting was canceled, but 375 00:23:48.519 --> 00:23:51.160 we finally got together on December fifteenth. It was just 376 00:23:51.279 --> 00:23:54.200 Gene and Trabulus in me in Jean's office on the 377 00:23:54.200 --> 00:23:57.880 Paramount lot. I told them the story. It involved going 378 00:23:57.920 --> 00:23:59.960 to the end of the known universe to slip back 379 00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:03.759 through time to the plasticne era when man first emerged. 380 00:24:03.920 --> 00:24:07.759 I postulated a parallel development of reptile life that might 381 00:24:07.799 --> 00:24:10.799 have developed into the dominant species on Earth had mammals 382 00:24:10.839 --> 00:24:14.759 not prevailed. I postulated an alien intelligence from a far 383 00:24:14.799 --> 00:24:18.319 away galaxy where the snakes had become the dominant life form, 384 00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:20.400 and a snake creature had come to Earth in the 385 00:24:20.400 --> 00:24:23.839 star Trek future, had seen its ancestors wiped out, had 386 00:24:23.880 --> 00:24:26.960 gone back to the far distant pastive Earth to set 387 00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:29.960 up distortions in the time flow so reptiles could beat 388 00:24:29.960 --> 00:24:32.640 the humans. The enterprise goes back in time to set 389 00:24:32.680 --> 00:24:35.200 it right, finds the snake alien, and the human crew 390 00:24:35.240 --> 00:24:37.759 is confronted with the moral dilemma of whether it had 391 00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:40.880 the right to wipe out an entire life form just 392 00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:44.759 to ensure its own territorial imperative in our prison and future. 393 00:24:45.079 --> 00:24:48.079 The story in short to spand all of time and 394 00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:51.799 all of space with a moral and ethical problem. Tribulus 395 00:24:51.799 --> 00:24:53.839 listened to all of this and sat silently for a 396 00:24:53.839 --> 00:24:56.839 few minutes. Then he said, I was reading this book 397 00:24:56.839 --> 00:24:59.640 by a guy named von Danikin, and he proved that 398 00:24:59.680 --> 00:25:02.599 the my calendar was exactly like ours, so it must 399 00:25:02.599 --> 00:25:05.480 have come from Aliens. Could you put in some Mayans? 400 00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:09.200 I looked at Gene. Gene looked at me. He said nothing. 401 00:25:09.480 --> 00:25:12.680 I looked at Tribulus and said, there weren't any Mayans 402 00:25:12.680 --> 00:25:15.559 at the dawn of time. And he said, well, who's 403 00:25:15.559 --> 00:25:18.559 to know the difference, And I said, I'm to know 404 00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:22.160 the difference. It's a dumb suggestion. So Tribulus got very 405 00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:25.200 uptight and said he liked Mayans a lot, and why 406 00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:27.200 didn't I do it? If I wanted to write this picture, 407 00:25:27.480 --> 00:25:30.319 so I said, I'm a writer. I don't know what 408 00:25:30.359 --> 00:25:33.200 the fuck you are, and I got up and walked out, 409 00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:35.400 and that was the end of my association with the 410 00:25:35.440 --> 00:25:36.279 Star Trek movie. 411 00:25:36.640 --> 00:25:39.680 Let's not forget, by the way, that Ellison was responsible 412 00:25:39.759 --> 00:25:43.920 for probably the single greatest episode of the original series 413 00:25:43.960 --> 00:25:46.799 that was ever produced, the original story of City on 414 00:25:46.839 --> 00:25:48.720 the Edge of Forever, which I know was rewritten, and 415 00:25:48.759 --> 00:25:52.240 there's a story behind that as well. But the man 416 00:25:52.359 --> 00:25:55.799 knew how to write for Star Trek. It's crazy that 417 00:25:55.880 --> 00:25:57.400 people are second guessing him. 418 00:25:57.799 --> 00:26:02.880 It's crazy that the regime with Katzenberg underneath him, let 419 00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:08.359 their designer friend in charge of a crown jewel of paramount. 420 00:26:08.400 --> 00:26:11.240 I guess they just hadn't figured out that it was yet, 421 00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:15.680 so it was just something to be done. So anyway, 422 00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:18.680 they can't settle on any of those guys. They bring 423 00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:22.559 in another fella and he's in charge of now finding 424 00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:26.200 a decent script and writers, which he does, and he 425 00:26:26.319 --> 00:26:29.720 hires two British authors who had never written science fiction 426 00:26:29.799 --> 00:26:33.359 before to write the Planet of the Titans. This is 427 00:26:33.359 --> 00:26:37.079 the script that almost gets made. Everyone's on board for this. 428 00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:40.880 The story here is Kirk and crew, at the end 429 00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:43.400 of the five year mission go out to answer a 430 00:26:43.400 --> 00:26:47.680 distress call. They're hit by an energy wave. Kirk goes crazy, 431 00:26:48.279 --> 00:26:50.920 commandeers a shuttle, saying he has to get to the planet, 432 00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:54.599 goes off into deep space and disappears. Three years later, 433 00:26:54.640 --> 00:26:58.799 the Enterprise returns. It's a whole new crew and they 434 00:26:58.960 --> 00:27:02.920 because a plan has appeared where there had been none before. 435 00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:05.200 This is the Planet of the Titans. The Titans of 436 00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:08.799 some ancient race, so the Federation is interested. They get 437 00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:10.640 out of the planet, they find that Kirk is there. 438 00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:12.920 The Klingons are on their way because they want a 439 00:27:12.920 --> 00:27:14.880 piece of the Titans. They find out that there's an 440 00:27:14.920 --> 00:27:17.519 alien race that wiped out the Titans. It's a three 441 00:27:17.559 --> 00:27:20.119 way brawl. They end up going back in time. Blah 442 00:27:20.160 --> 00:27:23.519 blah blah. They almost made this movie, and then this 443 00:27:23.680 --> 00:27:26.519 is great. Everyone will tell you that Star Trek the 444 00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:29.960 motion picture was made on the heels of Star Wars. 445 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:32.559 That paramount saw Star Wars and when we need a 446 00:27:32.599 --> 00:27:36.119 Star Wars, get us a Star Trek picture. Actually not 447 00:27:36.319 --> 00:27:40.400 the case. What happened was they're ready to make that 448 00:27:40.519 --> 00:27:44.119 movie Planet of the Titans, and then Star Wars comes out. 449 00:27:44.200 --> 00:27:49.000 And Paramount thinks that success can't ever be replicated. No 450 00:27:49.039 --> 00:27:52.079 one will go see a second sci fi movie. And 451 00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:55.279 we've been toying with the idea of a television network. 452 00:27:55.759 --> 00:27:58.559 Let's make this the flagship of our new television network. 453 00:27:58.680 --> 00:28:02.799 Instead canceled. Now it's time to do a TV series, 454 00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:06.039 which is phase two. Man oh man, I'm talking a lot. 455 00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:09.440 So they got this television series that they're gonna do. 456 00:28:09.519 --> 00:28:12.039 They hire Alan Dean Foster to write the pilot. It's 457 00:28:12.039 --> 00:28:15.920 called in Thy Image. It's about a machine returning to 458 00:28:16.240 --> 00:28:20.720 Earth to meet its creator. It's this, it's Star Trek. 459 00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:23.039 It's the movie basically right, but of course it's all 460 00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:26.119 based on Jane's idea that, as Harlan Ellison so eloquently said, 461 00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:28.240 he has one fucking idea, which is you got to 462 00:28:28.279 --> 00:28:30.519 meet God, and God's either insane or a child. And 463 00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:33.400 here it is again, just like season two, episode three, 464 00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:38.240 The Changeling. Anyway, the series almost gets going, Paramount finds 465 00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:42.039 out no advertiser going to support a new network, and 466 00:28:42.079 --> 00:28:44.960 now the movie's back on because Eisner goes to see 467 00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:49.160 Close Encounters of the Third Kind realizes sci fi is 468 00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:51.920 now the rage and says that could have been us 469 00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:55.680 Get Me a Star Trek movie, and thus begins a 470 00:28:55.759 --> 00:29:00.119 battle of screenwriting between Gene Roddenberry and Harold Livingston in 471 00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:03.880 the credited screenwriter on this with story by Alan Dean Foster, 472 00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:06.559 even though it technically wasn't even Foster's, like they gave 473 00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:11.240 him that script. But roden Berry and Livingstone just keep 474 00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:14.599 rewriting each other back and forth. It's like magicians papering 475 00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:20.599 over each other's posters, this confused, stupid, crazy thing. And 476 00:29:20.640 --> 00:29:24.559 then at which point, like the actors are now involved, 477 00:29:24.599 --> 00:29:27.920 so they have notes. They want their characters front and center. 478 00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:31.559 It's Leonard Nimoy and William Shatner giving notes to this screenwriter. 479 00:29:31.799 --> 00:29:34.160 Oh my god, what a mess. Let's make the movie 480 00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:36.759 and we have to have it in theaters on December seventh, 481 00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:40.400 nineteen seventy nine, because Michael Eisner has already pre sold 482 00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:43.599 the movie to movie theaters in order to help offset 483 00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:47.359 the cost of this movie, which initially was budgeted at 484 00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:49.720 eighteen million and now is forty five. 485 00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:54.160 And even as they're filming, I my research, a lot 486 00:29:54.200 --> 00:29:57.839 of these actors, Walter kaneg all these people, Michelle Nichols, 487 00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:01.119 they all talk about the fact that the third act 488 00:30:01.599 --> 00:30:04.559 of this movie was still not completed by the time 489 00:30:04.599 --> 00:30:08.240 they're filming it. This was basically a three act picture 490 00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:11.759 with no third act, so a lot of this. They're 491 00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:14.920 marching towards this date, like you said, in December. They 492 00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:18.240 have to get it done. And then all these complications 493 00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:21.079 with the shooting mean that the special effects are taking longer. 494 00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:24.240 They've got to compress that. They bring back Doug Trumbull 495 00:30:24.640 --> 00:30:27.200 to try and finish the effects. 496 00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:31.079 Basically a story about that, right, So they when they're 497 00:30:31.079 --> 00:30:33.200 putting the movie together, they go out to all of 498 00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:35.599 the houses. They go to Doug Trumbull, they go to Ilm, 499 00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:38.720 they go to Don John Dykstra, and everyone is really 500 00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:41.680 busy because science fiction is all the rage at this moment. 501 00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:44.720 And they go with a company called Abel Films or 502 00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:48.920 able company, and they spend the next year doing nothing 503 00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:52.920 because they've never had all the equipment that say, Doug 504 00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:56.599 Trumbull has pioneered, like the optical printers and such. So 505 00:30:56.599 --> 00:31:00.640 they're just spending their time building a studio to handle 506 00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:03.200 the effects for a major motion picture when they needed 507 00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:07.000 to have been making the shots for a major motion picture. 508 00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:10.920 They finished filming in January and then found out before 509 00:31:11.079 --> 00:31:13.680 they found out they needed to start from scratch for 510 00:31:13.759 --> 00:31:16.599 their effects, and the movie was due in December. They 511 00:31:16.599 --> 00:31:18.759 had eleven months to do all of the shots in them. 512 00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:22.240 And it's insane. So what ends up happening is Doug 513 00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:25.799 Trumbell does come back essentially, and he finishes the picture. 514 00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:29.759 But Robert Wise from that point on up until the 515 00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:33.319 early two thousands never considered He always thought of this 516 00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:36.160 movie as basically being the rough cut because they had 517 00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:38.680 to make this date in December. So the effects were 518 00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:41.119 what they were. They're very good for the time. But 519 00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:45.200 if you watch them with modern eyes, the original theatrical cut, 520 00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:48.680 it doesn't look it looks unfinished in a lot of places. Eventually, 521 00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:54.319 Robert Wise and company get the opportunity to revisit the 522 00:31:54.359 --> 00:31:58.799 motion picture as a director's cut, and they finished effects. 523 00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:03.480 Some scenes were change, they added some sparkling new scenes 524 00:32:03.640 --> 00:32:06.000 of shuttles, and you don't see the Matt lines and 525 00:32:06.039 --> 00:32:07.839 everything because a lot of this was done with Matt 526 00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:11.440 paintings and so forth. So anyway, this is a long 527 00:32:11.480 --> 00:32:14.599 way of saying, that's the version that Father Malone and 528 00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:17.400 I watched. We watched the director's cut because I feel 529 00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:21.720 very strongly in this case that if the director's saying, look, 530 00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:25.720 my movie wasn't finished until now, I want to see 531 00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:28.880 the picture in its most complete form. That's important to 532 00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:31.519 me on this not to say that the theatrical version 533 00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:34.640 doesn't have merit, but for the purposes of this episode, 534 00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:37.599 I sought out the director's cut, as I know Father 535 00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:38.200 Malone did. 536 00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:41.000 It's the one available on streaming. It's the one you 537 00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:42.880 should watch. I don't know why you would go watch 538 00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:45.400 the old theatrical version. It was the movie that Robert 539 00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:48.480 Wise said, it's the only picture that I didn't get 540 00:32:48.519 --> 00:32:51.480 to preview before we put it out. He didn't get 541 00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:54.400 a chance to gauge an audience's reaction to the movie 542 00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:56.680 at all, because they basically locked the whole thing on 543 00:32:56.720 --> 00:32:59.119 December first for a December seventh release. 544 00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:03.720 This is a Star Wars the Special Edition scenario where 545 00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:07.880 George Lucas is going in and mucking with things that 546 00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:11.079 cherished bits of the movie. This isn't a han shot 547 00:33:11.079 --> 00:33:15.720 Grido first situation. This is merely taking a film and 548 00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:18.240 making it better. In my opinion, such. 549 00:33:18.079 --> 00:33:21.079 As it is, they are finishing effects that were hastily done. 550 00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:23.680 There's some five hundred effects shots in this movie. That's 551 00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:27.359 more than Star Wars and Close Encounters combined, and on 552 00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:30.960 a very limited amount of time to do it. Now, 553 00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:33.599 it must be said that the models were already made 554 00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:36.599 at least, and those are magnificent. But the Enterprise refit 555 00:33:36.759 --> 00:33:40.000 and the Klingon cruisers, those were all completed and ready, 556 00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:43.680 as was the Little Vulcan Shuttle. 557 00:33:44.559 --> 00:33:47.359 So it look it's not going to compete with a 558 00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:51.079 major blockbuster from this era, but for a movie from 559 00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:55.480 nineteen seventy nine finished in the early two thousands, looks 560 00:33:55.519 --> 00:33:57.720 pretty good. I didn't really have much of a problem 561 00:33:57.759 --> 00:33:58.680 with the effects. 562 00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:03.599 I remember, even as a young person, being wildly disappointed 563 00:34:03.640 --> 00:34:06.400 with the version of Vulcan that we got. It just 564 00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:10.880 seemed like more cardboard set bullshit from the television series. 565 00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:13.880 I was like, oh no, there was a sinking feeling. 566 00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:17.840 So yes, definitely watch this. See the giant statues and 567 00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:19.599 the lava fields on Vulcan. 568 00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:20.559 Yeah. 569 00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:23.559 By the way, I've been watching the been going back 570 00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:27.119 and watching the original series on stream, and it's the 571 00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:31.599 remastered versions where they've gone in and they've redone the effects. 572 00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:33.199 Yeah, same idea. 573 00:34:33.280 --> 00:34:36.039 Yeah, Yeah, And I know people go crazy about that 574 00:34:36.199 --> 00:34:40.079 because they want the original thing that they remember from childhood, 575 00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:42.599 and I would counter that this is the way I 576 00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:45.440 remember it from childhood. I remember it looking this good. 577 00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:50.280 They've preserved that sense of wonder when you see the 578 00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:53.360 ship going across a planet and you're not looking for 579 00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:57.559 the cables holding the ship up, it looks like Because 580 00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:01.079 here's the thing with the original series, Rema, they took 581 00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:03.400 great care not to make it look like it was 582 00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:08.119 produced in the early two thousands. It still looks like 583 00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:12.159 of its time. It just looks better I can describe it. 584 00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:15.599 The spaceships still have like a plastic equality to them. 585 00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:20.400 They look like their models, but they look really good now. Yeah, 586 00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:24.079 and they added blinking to the Gorn's eyes in Arena, 587 00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:26.519 and I really like that. That was really good. 588 00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:28.679 I will have to check that out. I don't think 589 00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:30.840 I haven't seen those in a long time, but you're 590 00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:32.360 making me want to go revisit them. 591 00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:34.599 Oh my god, Arena is so good and Piece of 592 00:35:34.599 --> 00:35:37.639 the Action. Piece of the Action is my absolute favorite 593 00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:39.599 Star Trek episode of all time. I think City on 594 00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:42.079 the Edge of Forever is probably the best Star Trek 595 00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:46.079 original series episode. Yeah, but oh my god, give me Gangsters, Baby. 596 00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:47.559 You know that was going to be the basis of 597 00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:48.800 the Tarantino movie, right. 598 00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:51.840 I think I read that that's one of the vic 599 00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:55.239 tay back, right, one of the mobsters. Yeah, there's a ay. 600 00:35:55.360 --> 00:35:58.519 But there's been many Trek comic books, but most recently 601 00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:02.159 there was one called Star Trek Year five, which is 602 00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:04.280 a series that took place in the final year of 603 00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:06.920 their five year mission, and I think the second or 604 00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:10.119 third issue they end up going back to that planet 605 00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:12.360 from a piece of the action. So it's kind of neat. 606 00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:14.159 You get to see what happened. 607 00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:15.400 After all that, What happened? What did they do? 608 00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:18.000 I'm not gonna run it for You're gonna go read it. 609 00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:21.840 Damn it, go read it. It's It's the one episode 610 00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:24.480 that I always wished in any of the other iterations 611 00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:26.079 of the show that they were gonna go back to 612 00:36:26.440 --> 00:36:31.280 because they had this complete society based on mimicry, and 613 00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:33.960 then they left a phaser there. I'm like, oh my god, 614 00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:37.800 they could just recreate sixties Starfleet. Now they don't have 615 00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:39.960 to because they're doing it every fucking week with strange 616 00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:42.440 new worlds and all this shit. Everything is retro everything, 617 00:36:42.679 --> 00:36:44.440 But at the time, it would have been really novel. 618 00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:47.960 Yeah. Yeah, well they take a similar tack. I think 619 00:36:48.199 --> 00:36:51.159 somebody else read there's some other thing. I think maybe 620 00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:54.159 doctor McCoy lee has left something else behind on the 621 00:36:54.199 --> 00:36:57.719 planet and that becomes the thing that they basically that 622 00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:01.320 forms the next phase of their society. But it's really good. 623 00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:04.880 I do appreciate those that they're non cannon. But it's 624 00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:07.800 fun to revisit the original series because we're never going 625 00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:10.599 to see this original cast ever again at this point, 626 00:37:11.039 --> 00:37:13.239 so it's kind of cool to go back and see 627 00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:14.840 this stuff read about it. 628 00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:15.880 That's the story HP. 629 00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:21.480 Well. Funny I mentioned that though the story is not 630 00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:25.199 the most original story, and in fact, within the context 631 00:37:25.239 --> 00:37:28.840 of Star Trek movies, this spoiler alert, this won't be 632 00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:32.519 the last time we have a story with the same 633 00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:37.599 type of beats. Essentially, what happens is there's this cloud 634 00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:41.000 with some kind of ship something in the middle of 635 00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:45.920 it that is has a it's heading towards Earth and 636 00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:50.280 everything that encounter it, that encounters it, everything that goes 637 00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:54.400 into this cloud, they're basic, they're destroyed. They're basically deres 638 00:37:54.719 --> 00:37:58.400 for lack of a better term, nothing can absorbed. There's 639 00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:02.960 this clouds ends out these lightning plasma balls, and once 640 00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:07.159 they hit your ship, it basically just wipes it from existence. 641 00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:09.760 I guess in your I think you're right. It's absorbed 642 00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:14.079 into the organic ship in the middle of all of 643 00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:16.119 this that we learn about. So this thing is on 644 00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:22.159 an intercept court course with Earth, and talk about. 645 00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:24.320 That scene before we grow any further, because this movie 646 00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:27.159 begins so magnificently, right, okay. 647 00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:30.199 The Klingons you mean, yes, yeah, it starts. 648 00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:33.760 This movie begins after the magnificent fucking credit sequence with 649 00:38:33.800 --> 00:38:38.079 the fucking thrilling Jerry Goldsmith's score. We immediately cut to, 650 00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:41.599 or we don't cut to. We pan over to and 651 00:38:41.639 --> 00:38:46.679 then above, and then around and then behind a trio 652 00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:50.599 of Klingon cruisers KATINGA class. In case you were. 653 00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:54.239 Wondering, these aren't birds birds of prey. 654 00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:57.079 No, this is the new KATINGA Class, buddy. 655 00:38:56.880 --> 00:39:02.800 Okay, okay, mister Trekky over there by the way. Fun fact, 656 00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:05.480 I did not know this. So they cut inside and 657 00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:09.400 the Klingons are in this cloud and that they're shooting 658 00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:13.480 a torpedoes that have no effect. The commander of the 659 00:39:13.559 --> 00:39:17.000 Klingon fleet is played by Mark Leonard. 660 00:39:16.719 --> 00:39:19.199 Mark Leonard Sarah himself. 661 00:39:19.039 --> 00:39:22.280 Fucking Sarah. One of my favorite characters of all of 662 00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:24.960 the Star Trek movies was I couldn't believe it when 663 00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:26.800 I found that out. Anyway, go ahead, Sorry. 664 00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:29.639 He's also a Romulin, remember on the original series. 665 00:39:29.639 --> 00:39:31.039 In the original series, that's true. 666 00:39:31.239 --> 00:39:34.079 So he's been a Romulin, a Vulcan, and a Klingon. 667 00:39:34.639 --> 00:39:37.800 And yes, here's the reveal of the Klingons. Here's where 668 00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:40.800 it's good to have Robert Wise, I guess, and I 669 00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:43.480 guess Sid Mead and a whole bunch of really talented 670 00:39:43.480 --> 00:39:47.760 people doing the designing. Because Klingons are now aliens. They're 671 00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:50.599 not just people in brown face with whiskers who punch 672 00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:55.280 Federation people. Yeah, willy nilly, these are aliens with their 673 00:39:55.320 --> 00:39:58.119 own language, in their own customs, and what the fuck 674 00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:01.079 is going on? I don't know. It's crazy, but they've 675 00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:31.079 got a great theme here it is again. Oh it's 676 00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:34.679 so good, very dark, very dark. So yeah, it wipes 677 00:40:34.679 --> 00:40:37.039 the Klingons. So they give us the Klingons, they show 678 00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:39.320 how fucking formidable they are, and then they're just wiped 679 00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:40.559 off the map immediately. 680 00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:44.159 They're just gone. In the midst of this spock, we 681 00:40:44.280 --> 00:40:48.239 see him. He's on Vulcan. He's going through the Coolinar ritual, 682 00:40:48.679 --> 00:40:52.559 which is the objective is to renownce and shed all emotion. 683 00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:56.599 And as he's about to graduate, he stops the priestess 684 00:40:56.599 --> 00:41:00.719 from bestowing this symbolic necklace on his around his neck, 685 00:41:01.159 --> 00:41:07.320 because this force that's heading towards Earth has is affecting 686 00:41:07.440 --> 00:41:11.719 him and he can hear it, thoughts. He can hear it. 687 00:41:11.800 --> 00:41:14.519 Cost you hear the twang in the distance, and you 688 00:41:14.559 --> 00:41:16.960 know that Vitre is here, So. 689 00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:20.199 It's affecting his human side. And the priestess realizes that 690 00:41:20.239 --> 00:41:23.639 he has not yet attained Coulinar and he must seek 691 00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:27.480 his answers elsewhere. So Spock is going to figure into 692 00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:29.480 the story, but basically on Earth. 693 00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:32.880 But you know what, she's got this beautiful necklace and 694 00:41:32.920 --> 00:41:36.840 she just tosses it like the ground, like you're no 695 00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:40.320 longer worthy of Colinari, like nah, and she tosses ah. Man, 696 00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:42.840 it's so disrespectful. 697 00:41:43.480 --> 00:41:46.840 But it's there's the look, like you said, a Vulcan. 698 00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:50.920 Now with this director's cut, it's it's epic. It's this 699 00:41:51.159 --> 00:41:55.239 sort of arid, deserty looking planet with like you said, 700 00:41:55.360 --> 00:41:58.360 lava and these giant statues. It looks great. It's hard 701 00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:00.639 to imagine we watched it and the other way. 702 00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:02.719 I know a lot of people love the Vulcans. I 703 00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:03.599 hate the Vulcans. 704 00:42:03.639 --> 00:42:07.400 Man, I was like, I would love I'm one of 705 00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:08.639 those people that love the Vulcans. 706 00:42:08.840 --> 00:42:11.719 I love one Vulcan, but he's half Vulcan. Thank you. Well, 707 00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:15.960 that's the thing I learn my Valcan Science Academy. Right now, man, Okay, 708 00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:18.320 I attended. They're not good people. 709 00:42:19.320 --> 00:42:24.280 It goes without saying that Leonard Nimoy is really the 710 00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:26.320 heart and soul of this whole thing. It's hard to 711 00:42:26.360 --> 00:42:31.639 imagine any other actor in such an indelible role as his. 712 00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:34.960 It was really truly the role. Not that he probably 713 00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:36.920 appreciated the fact that he was always going to be 714 00:42:36.960 --> 00:42:39.880 known as Spock after all he did. He wrote. His 715 00:42:39.920 --> 00:42:43.800 first biography was called I Am Not Spock, followed decades 716 00:42:43.880 --> 00:42:47.960 later by I Am Spock. But it's impossible to look 717 00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:51.960 at Leonard Nimoy and not think of Spock. First. I 718 00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:54.920 love Colombo, the TV show Columbo. I'm sure you do too, 719 00:42:54.920 --> 00:42:58.679 fallom Alone, and he played one of the villains. I 720 00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:01.880 loved it. I'm not a I love I fucking love 721 00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:04.880 Colombo anyway, Niemoy was one of the villains of the week. 722 00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:07.159 He was a surgeon that comes up with this crazy 723 00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:11.719 plot to kill this doctor that is holding back this anyway. 724 00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:14.320 I'm not gonna go into details, but he's great in it, 725 00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:18.280 but you can't. It's kind of tragic in a way 726 00:43:18.360 --> 00:43:20.719 because he was such a great actor. But you look 727 00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:24.159 at him and you're wondering where the pointy ears and 728 00:43:24.199 --> 00:43:27.239 the arched eyebrows and the funny haircut because he is 729 00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:31.920 spuck and it's we're gonna go through this whole exercise 730 00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:34.159 of going through all of these movies, all of the 731 00:43:34.199 --> 00:43:38.199 original movies and all of the and it's gonna be 732 00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:42.760 such a treat to follow Leonard Nimoy, especially because he 733 00:43:42.920 --> 00:43:45.800 is the heart and soul, like I said, of these movies. 734 00:43:46.199 --> 00:43:49.239 And I cannot imagine. I know that there was all 735 00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:54.320 this conflict behind the scenes about his likeness being used 736 00:43:54.320 --> 00:43:57.039 and he had to renegotiate his contract before he'd agree 737 00:43:57.079 --> 00:43:59.679 to do it. I don't blame him at all for that, 738 00:43:59.719 --> 00:44:03.599 because the man deserved to get paid, because you can't 739 00:44:03.639 --> 00:44:06.159 have that original series without Spock. Anyway. 740 00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:09.920 Well, let me just say about that. If there's a 741 00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:13.719 hero behind the scenes of this movie, it's Jeffrey Katzenberg 742 00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:18.199 who actually made the effort to fly to New York 743 00:44:18.280 --> 00:44:21.960 where Leonard Nimoy was appearing on stage to see the play, 744 00:44:22.039 --> 00:44:25.239 to go talk to him afterwards and to say, what 745 00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:29.039 is the problem with you and Paramount Pictures? How can 746 00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:32.840 we solve that? And saying to him effectively, you do 747 00:44:33.039 --> 00:44:35.599 know that even if you're involved in a lawsuit with 748 00:44:35.639 --> 00:44:38.079 the company, you could still come work for the company. 749 00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:44.159 And Nimoy basically, basically Cassenberg said, what's the problem, Let 750 00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:46.159 me go back, I'll take care of that, and then 751 00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:48.400 will you read the screenplay? And he says, yes, if 752 00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:51.639 you give me the money the day that I received 753 00:44:51.679 --> 00:44:53.599 the check, I will read the script. And that's exactly 754 00:44:53.599 --> 00:44:55.079 what happened, and good for him. 755 00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:56.800 It was a smart business decision. 756 00:44:57.079 --> 00:44:59.360 And let me speak to the other thing you said 757 00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:02.840 about Nimoy, which is he is so indelibly spock. He 758 00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:05.360 had to write that book and let everyone know there 759 00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:09.280 were more sides to him, hobbit. Fans know that. But 760 00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:11.840 but here's the thing, HV. Now we were talking about. 761 00:45:11.880 --> 00:45:13.679 I'm such a fan of his music. By the way 762 00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:16.239 that Bilbo Baggins is just one aspect of it. But 763 00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:18.000 anyway proceeds. 764 00:45:18.039 --> 00:45:22.760 Sorry, now I mentioned that we were effectively watching reruns 765 00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:24.920 of Star Trek. It had only been on the off 766 00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:27.880 the air for a few years before we were born. 767 00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:32.599 So that's where my primary that's where I was getting 768 00:45:32.599 --> 00:45:36.320 my Star Trek was from syndicated television. But at the 769 00:45:36.400 --> 00:45:39.760 same time I know we were getting we were getting 770 00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:43.639 In Search of Demoy. So to me, when I think 771 00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:47.039 of Leonardimoy, I think of that guy first. Honestly, it's 772 00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:51.679 it that I'm I know that's ninety nine percent of 773 00:45:51.679 --> 00:45:54.000 people out there. Is not the case you saw him 774 00:45:54.039 --> 00:45:57.599 first as Spock. We all did. However, to me, that 775 00:45:57.800 --> 00:46:02.039 was so formative by the way podcasters, paranormal podcasters, if 776 00:46:02.039 --> 00:46:03.800 you want to have me on your show, and you should, 777 00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:07.159 I am going to talk about In Search of because 778 00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:10.679 it's not only the basis for all of my paranormal lore, 779 00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:13.559 but it is the image I think of when I 780 00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:15.679 think of Leonard Dama, I think of that guy, and 781 00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:18.079 I think of how scary and serious he was. 782 00:46:18.559 --> 00:46:22.159 Oh yeah, and that show covered the whole gamut of 783 00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:26.079 the paranormal and the super normal. Everything from these you 784 00:46:26.199 --> 00:46:29.199 talked about, the ancient astronauts, all that bullshit, the von 785 00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:32.880 Danik and stuff they covered that. They covered, Amelia Earhart, 786 00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:35.880 they covered the Bermuda Triangle. They covered like. 787 00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:39.920 Their Amityville horror episode is scarier than the film The 788 00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:40.679 Amity War. 789 00:46:41.599 --> 00:46:44.400 Well, now we know the truth of what actually took place. 790 00:46:44.719 --> 00:46:46.000 They didn't know that back then. 791 00:46:46.519 --> 00:46:49.079 No, anyway, that's what's great about it is. Yes, it's 792 00:46:49.079 --> 00:46:52.239 still all of their theories are still locked in the seventies. 793 00:46:52.280 --> 00:46:54.360 You're just like, what what are you guys even talking about? 794 00:46:54.440 --> 00:46:56.920 For most of them, but some of them are still like, yeah, 795 00:46:57.039 --> 00:46:58.559 that's still a fucking mystery. 796 00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:02.320 Yeah. So anyway, I agree, like seek out if you 797 00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:05.360 want something. I don't know if like an adult watching 798 00:47:05.480 --> 00:47:08.239 In Search Of would have the same reaction as we 799 00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:09.960 did it. What we just saw it at the right time. 800 00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:13.079 Fa them alone, because we were so impressionable, and when 801 00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:18.480 you're seeing grainy UFO photos or the Lockness Monster, I 802 00:47:18.639 --> 00:47:21.880 was predisposed to believe all of that shit. So even 803 00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:24.079 now it gives me a little bit of trepidation to 804 00:47:24.119 --> 00:47:27.199 think about In Search Of because it was so creepy 805 00:47:27.440 --> 00:47:30.320 and scary and interesting at the same time. 806 00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:33.000 I don't think people today watching it for the first 807 00:47:33.039 --> 00:47:35.559 time would have any sort of reaction the way we did, 808 00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:38.920 because they have the other Spock with the other in 809 00:47:38.960 --> 00:47:42.559 search of Zachary Quinto. He hosted the remake of the show. 810 00:47:42.760 --> 00:47:46.199 Plus we had Command of Cheese there with Factor Fiction Forever. 811 00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:50.559 Oh freakes, freaks, Yeah, yeah, that's true. So getting back 812 00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:52.400 to the movie. At the same time as all this 813 00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:53.320 is happening. 814 00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:55.880 Let's get to Starfleet headquarters. Everybody, what's been going on 815 00:47:56.039 --> 00:47:57.000 in San Francisco? 816 00:47:57.599 --> 00:47:59.920 In San Francisco and on a first. 817 00:47:59.679 --> 00:48:01.719 In this movie we get a lot of first Honestly, 818 00:48:01.960 --> 00:48:03.480 do you know what we find out in this movie 819 00:48:03.960 --> 00:48:06.480 that it's James T. Kirk. We find out his name 820 00:48:06.519 --> 00:48:07.199 is Tiberius. 821 00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:09.679 Now we never found that out in the original series. 822 00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:11.880 It's made cannon here and it's not even in the movie. 823 00:48:11.920 --> 00:48:14.199 It's in the novelization. And now let me talk about 824 00:48:14.199 --> 00:48:16.519 the novelization for one second, because I read it now. 825 00:48:16.599 --> 00:48:19.760 I my whole life have been a fan of novelizations. 826 00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:22.480 I have stacks and snacks of them everywhere. I have 827 00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:26.519 the Taxi Driver novelization. Everybody, Oh boy, you want to 828 00:48:26.519 --> 00:48:29.559 read that one anyway, The Star Trek, the motion picture 829 00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:34.239 novelization is the only novelisation or novel of Star Trek 830 00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:38.599 fiction written by Gene Roddenberry himself. It's not great, it 831 00:48:38.679 --> 00:48:41.079 is what it is, and it's based on earlier drafts 832 00:48:41.119 --> 00:48:44.519 in the script. It might even be based on Gene 833 00:48:44.599 --> 00:48:47.159 Roddenberry's drafts of the script. How would I know this 834 00:48:47.320 --> 00:48:50.639 well because the novel. Don't read it. It's terrible, But 835 00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:54.920 do read the preface, written by Admiral James T. Kirk himself, 836 00:48:55.559 --> 00:48:59.159 talking about how he realizes his legend precedes him and 837 00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:01.880 a much has been made about his exploits, and all 838 00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:04.559 of it has been blown out of proportion. And he 839 00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:07.760 knows that his five year mission was very well documented 840 00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:12.440 and that most of it was untrue. And here the 841 00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:16.639 book you're reading he has commissioned. So don't believe any 842 00:49:16.719 --> 00:49:21.079 other version. Just this. In other words, Gene Roddenberry is 843 00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:24.039 saying this was the script that they should have made figures. 844 00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:26.559 Where were we? Who knows? 845 00:49:26.960 --> 00:49:28.480 I don't know, but I will say this as a 846 00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:32.199 side note Starfleet. A bunch of years ago they put 847 00:49:32.239 --> 00:49:37.480 out a fictionalized, obviously autobiography of James Kirk. It's very 848 00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:39.599 worthwhile to read it because you get a lot of 849 00:49:39.719 --> 00:49:41.960 it fills in a lot of the gaps and connects 850 00:49:41.960 --> 00:49:44.400 a lot of the dots that maybe weren't so obvious 851 00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:47.440 in the series and in the movies. But anyway, we're 852 00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:50.719 talking about now Kirk. In this movie, he's been promoted 853 00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:55.280 to admiral, and he has been he's been notified of 854 00:49:55.360 --> 00:49:58.280 this crisis that the Earth is facing. So what he 855 00:49:58.320 --> 00:50:03.400 effectively is does is the Enterprise is undergoing refit, it's 856 00:50:03.440 --> 00:50:10.400 being modernized. He effectively commandeers the Enterprise on Starfleet orders, 857 00:50:10.440 --> 00:50:15.280 which much to the chagrin of the existing Captain Decker, 858 00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:20.519 played by the troublesome, say the least Stephen Collins. 859 00:50:20.679 --> 00:50:25.920 Okay, Stephen Collins scandal noted. All right, yeah, everybody don't 860 00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:30.119 really going watching this movie. He's really good in it. 861 00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:33.559 First of all, I think, honestly, if Stephen Collins had 862 00:50:33.559 --> 00:50:37.039 existed in nineteen sixty five, then Gene Rodenbury would have 863 00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:38.199 cast him as Captain Kirk. 864 00:50:38.679 --> 00:50:40.679 I agree with you to a point. I think he's 865 00:50:40.719 --> 00:50:43.920 really good in this from the perspective of acting in 866 00:50:43.960 --> 00:50:47.679 that style of Star Trek the original series. I'm not 867 00:50:47.800 --> 00:50:53.679 suggesting that it's grounded dramatic performance. I think he plays 868 00:50:53.719 --> 00:50:56.199 to the heightened reality of Star Trek. 869 00:50:56.599 --> 00:50:59.840 There are no grounded, realistic performances in this film. This 870 00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:04.199 movie is a fairy tale. This movie is the sequel 871 00:51:04.280 --> 00:51:05.159 of the series. 872 00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:08.280 Sure, he's playing to the tone of the movie, and 873 00:51:08.320 --> 00:51:11.239 by that standard, I yes, it is a good performance. 874 00:51:11.840 --> 00:51:14.960 So anyway, Kirk has to take the Star Trek out 875 00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:20.039 to intercept this force that's heading towards Earth Decker. Reluctantly, 876 00:51:20.599 --> 00:51:22.320 he has no choice but to let him do it. 877 00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:26.840 But initially he's effectively first officer and the science officer. 878 00:51:26.840 --> 00:51:30.039 Because what happens, and this is actually rather horrific, I forgot. 879 00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:32.719 I let's talk about this, okay. When they were going 880 00:51:32.800 --> 00:51:36.280 to make Phase two, which is the sequel series, when 881 00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:39.599 they were going to launch the Paramount Network, they basically 882 00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:42.719 it was just Star Trek again. It was another five 883 00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:45.960 year mission, Kirk and everybody on the Enterprise going out. 884 00:51:46.079 --> 00:51:48.320 But they knew even then they weren't going to get 885 00:51:48.360 --> 00:51:52.280 Leonard naymoy. So instead they thought, let's cast a full 886 00:51:52.400 --> 00:51:58.400 Vulcan and Zon was going to be very curious about 887 00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:02.840 human behavior, and through Spock, who is missing somehow, and 888 00:52:03.119 --> 00:52:08.119 basically it's data, okay, because right they have the data 889 00:52:08.199 --> 00:52:12.480 character would eventually show up. The Decker character is Riiker 890 00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:15.719 eventually in fact that he was a character on the 891 00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:18.400 series as well, Commander Decker who was basically there just 892 00:52:18.440 --> 00:52:21.000 in case Shatner wasn't going to work out and they 893 00:52:21.039 --> 00:52:24.320 could jettison him and have a new captain. And the 894 00:52:24.440 --> 00:52:27.840 character of Ilia was part of the new crew of 895 00:52:27.880 --> 00:52:33.360 the Starship Enterprise. An mpath Deanna Troy Rodon Berry never 896 00:52:33.400 --> 00:52:35.280 threw one fucking ideal way, did he? 897 00:52:35.920 --> 00:52:38.159 No, not at all, but the horrific part of. 898 00:52:38.360 --> 00:52:40.880 Well, yeah, anyway, My point there was I'm sorry I 899 00:52:40.880 --> 00:52:41.800 didn't keep interrupting you. 900 00:52:41.920 --> 00:52:42.280 That's okay? 901 00:52:43.039 --> 00:52:45.360 Is that? So the guy who was going to play 902 00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:48.719 Zon is in this movie on the space station calling 903 00:52:48.800 --> 00:52:51.639 to let Starfleet know about what happened to the Klingons. 904 00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:56.960 That's the guy. Yeah, Because when Kirk is at Starfleet 905 00:52:57.280 --> 00:52:59.920 he talks to the science officer. This guy, I don't 906 00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:02.039 is his name is on in this The. 907 00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:04.079 Guy on the station was the one who was going 908 00:53:04.159 --> 00:53:06.760 to plays On And they said, sorry, we don't need you. 909 00:53:06.760 --> 00:53:09.320 We've got Leonard Nimoy now here. Do you want to 910 00:53:09.320 --> 00:53:12.360 play this Vulcan science officer, and he said, no, I 911 00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:14.519 don't want to be a Vulcan, and they gave him 912 00:53:14.559 --> 00:53:17.280 a cameo as the guy running the station that gets 913 00:53:17.519 --> 00:53:20.039 eventually eaten by vegir Okay. 914 00:53:19.760 --> 00:53:20.960 Oh, I got you, I got you. 915 00:53:21.079 --> 00:53:23.199 Okay. So the character who is basically going to be 916 00:53:23.400 --> 00:53:27.639 on we get from the science officer he meets at Starfleet, 917 00:53:27.679 --> 00:53:31.280 who he says, meet me in an hour on the Enterprise. 918 00:53:31.719 --> 00:53:36.119 Kirk in that moment dooms that man to death, and 919 00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:38.840 they only kill him so that they can get Leonard 920 00:53:38.920 --> 00:53:41.119 Nimoy on the ship. And it makes sense as a 921 00:53:41.159 --> 00:53:43.760 science officer, it's crazy, it is. 922 00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:46.559 It's like around the Mulberry Bush just to get to 923 00:53:46.559 --> 00:53:49.000 the point where they can have Spock on the on 924 00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:53.920 the Enterprise. So he Scotty is going over. He takes 925 00:53:54.079 --> 00:53:57.960 Kirk on a shuttle to the Enterprise because he says, 926 00:53:58.039 --> 00:54:01.000 the transporter there's a malfunction and they're working through some 927 00:54:01.039 --> 00:54:05.079 issue with the transporter. So meanwhile this gives us the 928 00:54:05.559 --> 00:54:09.920 opportunity to basically as they're flying up to the Enterprise, 929 00:54:10.480 --> 00:54:13.519 it's a literal four and a half minute pretty much 930 00:54:13.599 --> 00:54:18.320 wordless approach to the Enterprise. It's filmed lovingly from all 931 00:54:18.320 --> 00:54:21.920 these different angles as you get reaction shot after reaction 932 00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:25.400 shot of Scottie and Kirk gawking over. 933 00:54:25.400 --> 00:54:27.559 Its constellation class porn. 934 00:54:27.880 --> 00:54:30.000 It is, and this isn't the last time we're going 935 00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:32.000 to see a bunch of reaction shots. 936 00:54:32.119 --> 00:54:36.119 This entire sequence was directed by Douglas Trumbull. Robert Wise 937 00:54:36.159 --> 00:54:38.960 basically said just give us what we need here, so 938 00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:41.079 it was trumble Yeah, And I know there were like 939 00:54:41.199 --> 00:54:44.320 lots of storyboards and everything, but Trumbull was responsible for 940 00:54:44.360 --> 00:54:48.239 adding like the little guys floating around doing tasks and 941 00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:51.159 other shuttles and stuff going to and like filling the 942 00:54:51.199 --> 00:54:54.679 scene with life, so it's not just static shots of 943 00:54:54.719 --> 00:54:57.840 the enterprise, which, by the way, the enterprise is fucking gorgeous. 944 00:54:57.880 --> 00:55:01.280 Now, yeah, make no mistake, I'm joking that it takes 945 00:55:01.320 --> 00:55:04.760 forever to get there because this being a movie, I 946 00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:06.199 kind of want to cut to the chase and get 947 00:55:06.199 --> 00:55:10.559 to the action. But having said that, it does look amazing, 948 00:55:10.760 --> 00:55:13.800 and those little guys doing little tasks and stuff, that 949 00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:17.800 all does make it feel alive. So if I'm talking. 950 00:55:17.559 --> 00:55:20.159 About this movie, they say this is the scene that 951 00:55:20.239 --> 00:55:22.719 goes on too long, and I say, there is so 952 00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:24.960 much of this movie that I would cut out before 953 00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:26.880 I touched one frame of this sequence. 954 00:55:27.360 --> 00:55:30.119 Yeah, there's an approach into Vidre which we'll get to, 955 00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:33.239 which takes even longer and it's even more ponderous. 956 00:55:33.280 --> 00:55:35.360 But you know who my favorite character is in Star 957 00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:39.960 Trek of the whole series, No, who, the Enterprise. 958 00:55:41.800 --> 00:55:45.039 That's a good point because that's really the only constant 959 00:55:45.079 --> 00:55:47.840 through every one of these iterations. 960 00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:50.000 Right, blow it up, fucking up, doesn't matter, it's coming back. 961 00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:51.800 The Enterprise will always be there. 962 00:55:51.960 --> 00:55:54.800 It will always come back. So they get onto the Enterprise, 963 00:55:55.119 --> 00:55:59.000 Scotty and Kirk, and they're trying to beam up this 964 00:55:59.400 --> 00:56:03.239 Vulcanis officer that he talked to in San Francisco, and 965 00:56:03.280 --> 00:56:06.360 there's a malfunction and they end up first of all, 966 00:56:06.440 --> 00:56:08.480 the people in the transporter pad. As they're coming in, 967 00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:11.800 they're screaming in agony, and then they have to reverse 968 00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:13.599 the transporter and they and. 969 00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:18.360 Then Transporter Chief Rand, she's no longer a Yeoman's that's 970 00:56:18.480 --> 00:56:23.119 Transporter Chief Ran from the original series says, Oh God, 971 00:56:23.199 --> 00:56:27.519 they're forming, which means they're deforming, which means that in 972 00:56:27.559 --> 00:56:31.400 this pattern, this energy pattern, their bodies are now starting 973 00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:34.880 to twist in on themselves, and then they send them 974 00:56:35.039 --> 00:56:39.320 back where we are told what we received didn't live 975 00:56:39.400 --> 00:56:41.880 long mercifully, which. 976 00:56:41.920 --> 00:56:46.119 Just sounds It reminds me of The Fly, the Cronenberg 977 00:56:46.239 --> 00:56:49.199 The Fly, when you know there's a malfunction and things 978 00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:54.119 are coming out all twisted up and just disgusting. It's horrifying. 979 00:56:54.440 --> 00:56:57.280 And this is Star Trek. This is a beloved sixties 980 00:56:57.320 --> 00:57:00.559 TV show, and this is so dark the way. 981 00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:02.599 He's seven years old. This was a fucking nightmare. 982 00:57:03.079 --> 00:57:05.360 It is. And it's not the last time that they. 983 00:57:05.360 --> 00:57:07.880 Didn't know what to do with myself. I honestly don't 984 00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:10.840 remember the next portion of the movie because I was 985 00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:12.960 so I knew what was happening. 986 00:57:13.400 --> 00:57:17.360 It's death. It's right there, and it's a horrifying page. 987 00:57:17.400 --> 00:57:19.519 And this is right after we watched the Klingons get 988 00:57:19.519 --> 00:57:20.840 their asses kicked. 989 00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:23.199 Right, So there's already been a lot of death for 990 00:57:23.320 --> 00:57:29.760 a Star Trek property. So Kirk basically tells the crew 991 00:57:29.800 --> 00:57:31.840 and everybody on the enterprise what the deal is. They 992 00:57:31.880 --> 00:57:36.800 have about fifty three hours to intercept this force before 993 00:57:36.800 --> 00:57:40.639 it reaches Earth, so they've got to intercept, investigate, take 994 00:57:40.679 --> 00:57:43.559 any action that's necessary. But At the same time, he 995 00:57:43.639 --> 00:57:47.960 gets a priority signal from another Federation outpost that suffers 996 00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:51.400 the same exact fate as the Klingons. They are attacked 997 00:57:51.400 --> 00:57:55.599 by this cloud. It sends a plasma ball that disintegrates 998 00:57:55.639 --> 00:57:58.280 the whole. It's awful because this all happens. 999 00:57:58.280 --> 00:58:00.320 That's that one guy in a spacewalk to trying to 1000 00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:02.519 get away from everything, and like even if he got away, 1001 00:58:02.559 --> 00:58:03.360 what was he gonna do. 1002 00:58:04.599 --> 00:58:06.760 He's like trying to high tail it away from That's 1003 00:58:06.840 --> 00:58:09.800 it's scary. It's a scary proposition anyway, to be walking 1004 00:58:09.840 --> 00:58:13.320 in space, but then you've got this catastrophe happening behind 1005 00:58:13.320 --> 00:58:17.280 it basically trips right, and then that's it. It's curtains. 1006 00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:21.159 So the new the new navigator comes on board. This 1007 00:58:21.960 --> 00:58:25.400 Aliyah you mentioned her earlier that what's odd is they 1008 00:58:25.480 --> 00:58:30.159 announced I think Hora says, oh, and Captain she's Dalton, 1009 00:58:30.840 --> 00:58:34.320 and that seems to delight everybody, like even to cut 1010 00:58:34.360 --> 00:58:38.320 to Chekhov, who smiles so broadly, like we're supposed to 1011 00:58:38.400 --> 00:58:40.639 understand what Dealton means. 1012 00:58:40.880 --> 00:58:43.079 This is left over from an earlier draft in the 1013 00:58:43.079 --> 00:58:45.039 script where it was going to be more of the plot, 1014 00:58:45.280 --> 00:58:50.159 but Dalton's apparently are the most sensual creatures in the Federation, 1015 00:58:50.960 --> 00:58:53.840 which is why when she meets Kirk, she immediately says, 1016 00:58:53.880 --> 00:58:57.199 I have a vow of celibacy because she's Kirk's reputation 1017 00:58:57.320 --> 00:58:59.280 has preceded him, right. 1018 00:58:59.679 --> 00:59:04.480 We find out that Aileiah and Decker have some romantic 1019 00:59:04.599 --> 00:59:07.199 history together because he spent time on her home world. 1020 00:59:07.320 --> 00:59:10.280 Where have we seen that? Oh hello, Deanna Troy and 1021 00:59:10.320 --> 00:59:12.480 William Riker and a counter at far point. 1022 00:59:13.119 --> 00:59:17.440 Never throw anything away, oh Jeane. So then there, the 1023 00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:19.800 whole crew is there. They're ready to board, except for 1024 00:59:19.840 --> 00:59:23.599 there's one one character who refuses to use the transporter. 1025 00:59:24.199 --> 00:59:28.840 And of course this is another favorite. It's bones. It's bones, McCoy, 1026 00:59:28.840 --> 00:59:30.679 And why don't you describe what he looks like when 1027 00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:31.960 he comes off that transporter pack. 1028 00:59:32.119 --> 00:59:34.159 I'm going to use a joke by Mike White on 1029 00:59:34.239 --> 00:59:37.880 his show The Projection Booth, which is, Jim, we just 1030 00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:41.960 came back from destroying disco. He's in basically a leisure 1031 00:59:42.079 --> 00:59:45.920 suit with a fucking open collar to his navel and 1032 00:59:46.000 --> 00:59:52.400 a fucking medallion and a rounded weirdo beard. A rounded 1033 00:59:53.360 --> 00:59:58.559 weirdo beard. It's so fucking unusual. It's like you want 1034 00:59:58.599 --> 01:00:01.320 to when you start something and you haven't seen characters 1035 01:00:01.320 --> 01:00:03.239 for a while, like you want to find out what 1036 01:00:03.239 --> 01:00:05.119 they've been up to. I don't want to know what 1037 01:00:05.159 --> 01:00:05.679 he was up to. 1038 01:00:06.119 --> 01:00:08.880 Like the other part of the suit is it is 1039 01:00:08.920 --> 01:00:11.719 a leisure suit, but it's made of what appears to 1040 01:00:11.719 --> 01:00:16.400 be terry cloth, which was a very popular material back then. 1041 01:00:16.599 --> 01:00:20.719 It's just the whole package is just wonderful. And of 1042 01:00:20.719 --> 01:00:23.800 course it's the forest Kelly. Who doesn't like the forest Kelly. 1043 01:00:23.880 --> 01:00:27.280 He's another one who anytime I would see him pop 1044 01:00:27.320 --> 01:00:30.679 in to some Western or some other part, I look 1045 01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:33.679 at him, I go, that's McCoy, Like what, You're not 1046 01:00:33.679 --> 01:00:37.199 fooling me. This is another It's just like Leonard and 1047 01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:40.800 ee boy. He was shoehorned into that part and most 1048 01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:41.480 of the actors were. 1049 01:00:41.679 --> 01:00:44.960 Earlier today, I was watching Assignment Earth from the the 1050 01:00:44.960 --> 01:00:47.920 second season episode twenty six, and that's the one when 1051 01:00:47.960 --> 01:00:50.159 they go back in time to the Cape Kennedy or 1052 01:00:50.239 --> 01:00:52.800 Cape Canaveral at the time where the space launch. Remember 1053 01:00:52.880 --> 01:00:55.559 they go back to sixties Earth and Terry gar is there. 1054 01:00:56.320 --> 01:00:57.599 Oh yeah, remember that one. 1055 01:00:58.079 --> 01:00:58.639 Yeah. 1056 01:00:59.000 --> 01:01:00.760 Today, for the first time, I notice one of the 1057 01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:04.559 texts at NASA is Don Lormer, who was one of 1058 01:01:04.559 --> 01:01:07.039 the jurors and Twelve Angry Men. But I know him 1059 01:01:07.039 --> 01:01:08.920 mainly and you might know him mainly as Mike, the 1060 01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:12.280 janitor from Creep Show who gets eaten by Fluffy out 1061 01:01:12.280 --> 01:01:12.760 of the crate. 1062 01:01:13.280 --> 01:01:16.679 Wait, which juror was he in Twelve Angry Men? Was 1063 01:01:16.719 --> 01:01:19.719 it the original or was it the Playhouse production? 1064 01:01:20.239 --> 01:01:22.199 No? I think it was the original. I think it's 1065 01:01:22.199 --> 01:01:23.119 the movie. 1066 01:01:23.320 --> 01:01:25.440 It is Don lorm I don't have to look it 1067 01:01:25.519 --> 01:01:28.280 up anyway, because I love that movie. So it turns 1068 01:01:28.320 --> 01:01:33.599 out that basically Kirk essentially drafted Bones to be on 1069 01:01:33.639 --> 01:01:36.239 the ship for this mission, because of course he's gonna 1070 01:01:36.280 --> 01:01:39.920 need bone Yice, I need. 1071 01:01:39.679 --> 01:01:43.719 You weird a bunch of we Look, this is Shatner 1072 01:01:43.960 --> 01:01:47.519 full Season three. I'm a total fucking ham in this movie. 1073 01:01:47.599 --> 01:01:49.960 And he just keeps making weirder and weirder things. When 1074 01:01:49.960 --> 01:01:52.599 we first meet him, it's that he's meeting Scotty and 1075 01:01:52.599 --> 01:01:55.480 Scotty's ferrying him over there, and Scotty's complaining about how 1076 01:01:55.519 --> 01:01:58.280 the Enterprise isn't ready and her captain is untested, and 1077 01:01:58.320 --> 01:02:01.239 he's like, well, I don't consider myself untested, And then 1078 01:02:01.440 --> 01:02:03.639 and he's like what what do you mean? And he's like, 1079 01:02:03.719 --> 01:02:06.039 they gave her back to me. He's such a lunatic. 1080 01:02:06.639 --> 01:02:10.159 Yeah, it is weird because we'll see throughout the series 1081 01:02:10.199 --> 01:02:14.599 that he vacillates between Admiral Kirk and Captain Kirk. He's 1082 01:02:14.599 --> 01:02:17.440 always angling to get back onto the Enterprise, and of 1083 01:02:17.440 --> 01:02:21.239 course that's where he's destined to go. But it is 1084 01:02:21.280 --> 01:02:23.519 a little when you look at the balance of the 1085 01:02:23.559 --> 01:02:25.880 whole arc of this series, it is a little weird 1086 01:02:25.960 --> 01:02:30.199 that he, like his career is forever vacillating between the 1087 01:02:30.199 --> 01:02:33.440 two states. Like someone somewhere should finally say, you know what, 1088 01:02:33.679 --> 01:02:36.760 this man has an unhealthy obsession with staying on this ship. 1089 01:02:37.159 --> 01:02:40.960 Maybe we should have a doctor, not bones, but somebody 1090 01:02:41.039 --> 01:02:43.639 actually talked to this guy and figure out what's his deal, 1091 01:02:44.400 --> 01:02:47.280 Like he should get over this already. But anyway, well, 1092 01:02:47.440 --> 01:02:48.239 in this case. 1093 01:02:48.000 --> 01:02:49.960 It's the thrust of the entire series though, with what 1094 01:02:50.079 --> 01:02:52.760 you're describing HB as this man who can't decide whether 1095 01:02:52.800 --> 01:02:56.599 he wants this or that, and ultimately sure, ultimately hopping 1096 01:02:56.679 --> 01:02:59.199 around the universe is the only thing he's good at. 1097 01:02:59.719 --> 01:03:02.199 True, as much as he tries to get away from it, 1098 01:03:02.280 --> 01:03:05.000 he just can't. He can't quit the enterprise. That's fine, 1099 01:03:05.239 --> 01:03:09.360 so they're on Finally everybody's on board, and they take 1100 01:03:09.559 --> 01:03:13.440 the enterprise out and they engage warp speed. But because 1101 01:03:14.039 --> 01:03:16.719 they haven't shaken all the glitches. 1102 01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:19.159 In this case, they're not supposed to be doing it 1103 01:03:19.199 --> 01:03:21.840 in a solar system. They're still in our solar system. 1104 01:03:21.920 --> 01:03:24.599 You're not supposed to be engage in works. Because of that, 1105 01:03:24.760 --> 01:03:28.119 they get a piece of space debris in their warp tunnel, 1106 01:03:28.199 --> 01:03:29.679 which turns into a wormhole. 1107 01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:31.719 So they end up and this kind of becomes a 1108 01:03:31.800 --> 01:03:35.159 ridiculous scene because what happens is they're in this wormhole 1109 01:03:35.719 --> 01:03:39.920 and an asteroid has materialized in front of them, and 1110 01:03:39.960 --> 01:03:41.599 not only do they have to get out of the wormhole, 1111 01:03:41.639 --> 01:03:43.519 but they have to do it before they collide with 1112 01:03:43.639 --> 01:03:48.079 this asteroid. But the longer they're in the wormhole, the 1113 01:03:48.679 --> 01:03:54.360 slower time is apparently running, and the slower they start talking. 1114 01:03:54.519 --> 01:03:56.400 So by the time they get to the point where 1115 01:03:56.559 --> 01:04:02.400 Chekhov is told by Decker to fire proton torpedoes at 1116 01:04:02.639 --> 01:04:13.800 this asteroid, they're talking like this proton torpede. So this, 1117 01:04:14.400 --> 01:04:18.639 by the way, it's very annoyxious. And by the way, 1118 01:04:18.760 --> 01:04:22.800 Decker has actually countermanded one of Kirk's orders because Kirk 1119 01:04:22.920 --> 01:04:25.800 orders them to shoot phasers at the thing, but Decker 1120 01:04:26.000 --> 01:04:29.079 says no, and he goes on, I'm not gonna do 1121 01:04:29.079 --> 01:04:31.440 the whole thing. Don't worry. He says, we can't shoot 1122 01:04:31.719 --> 01:04:34.880 phasers because it'll do something with the something, and they 1123 01:04:34.880 --> 01:04:36.159 have to shoot proton torpedo. 1124 01:04:36.519 --> 01:04:40.079 It'll draw energy from the from the engine. The phasers 1125 01:04:40.119 --> 01:04:43.159 are now rooted through the engine used they used to 1126 01:04:43.159 --> 01:04:45.960 be independent. If they do that, they're gonna they're gonna 1127 01:04:45.960 --> 01:04:47.920 fall out a warp and fucking be pulled apart. What 1128 01:04:47.960 --> 01:04:49.280 are you talking about, HB. 1129 01:04:49.760 --> 01:04:54.800 All right, tricky whatever. Anyway, they blow up thisstroid with 1130 01:04:54.880 --> 01:04:57.000 the and that knocks them out of the wormhole and 1131 01:04:57.039 --> 01:04:59.840 everything's okay. And basically, I think. 1132 01:04:59.800 --> 01:05:02.239 Kirk I like the point of the scene, which is 1133 01:05:02.760 --> 01:05:04.760 you're not as fucking great as you think you are. 1134 01:05:04.760 --> 01:05:07.639 You're still out classed. You have some things to learn here. 1135 01:05:07.960 --> 01:05:11.199 And it shows his humility because he fucking comes clean 1136 01:05:11.239 --> 01:05:14.159 with that with Decker. Can I just ask is there 1137 01:05:14.159 --> 01:05:17.519 a rank between captain and admiral because it seems like 1138 01:05:18.079 --> 01:05:20.440 the five years or so that we're supposed to believe 1139 01:05:20.480 --> 01:05:22.519 has passed between the end of the five year mission 1140 01:05:22.519 --> 01:05:24.480 for three years betwend the end of the five year mission. 1141 01:05:24.519 --> 01:05:28.360 In this he became an admirable admiral straight from fucking captain. 1142 01:05:28.840 --> 01:05:30.079 What about rear admiral? 1143 01:05:31.239 --> 01:05:34.440 I think rear admirals higher than admiral, isn't it. 1144 01:05:34.480 --> 01:05:40.239 What about commodore, I know, Commodore or Elvis. Speaking of commodores, 1145 01:05:40.360 --> 01:05:43.400 do you remember the Doomsday device? Do you remember the 1146 01:05:43.400 --> 01:05:48.639 Doomsday machine with Commodore Matt Decker okay, played by William Windham, 1147 01:05:48.639 --> 01:05:51.840 the crazy one who fucking goes he fucking flies the 1148 01:05:51.880 --> 01:05:54.960 ship into it? Remember, Yeah, yeah, that's Decker's dad. 1149 01:05:56.320 --> 01:06:01.679 Really, yeah, that's canon. Yes, I never knew that interesting 1150 01:06:02.480 --> 01:06:03.559 because they don't mention that. 1151 01:06:03.920 --> 01:06:06.159 So maybe quit making fun of me and my knowledge 1152 01:06:06.199 --> 01:06:07.039 of Star trek. Huh. 1153 01:06:07.079 --> 01:06:10.159 Well there you go, learn something new every day follom alone. 1154 01:06:10.400 --> 01:06:14.800 So after all this happens and they talk about what happened, 1155 01:06:14.840 --> 01:06:18.280 and Kirk basically makes Decker promise like he's going to 1156 01:06:18.320 --> 01:06:21.199 keep him in check, because again Kirk shows some humility 1157 01:06:21.239 --> 01:06:23.719 here and says, you're right, I'm not I'm rusty, I'm 1158 01:06:23.719 --> 01:06:27.239 not as sharp as I was X amount of years ago. 1159 01:06:27.320 --> 01:06:31.039 But at that point, a shuttle requests requested docking with 1160 01:06:31.079 --> 01:06:35.599 the Enterprise, and who's on the shuttle. It's our boy, Spock. 1161 01:06:36.159 --> 01:06:38.400 Spock has made his way to the Enterprise. 1162 01:06:38.960 --> 01:06:41.559 He I'm curious how he found them, considering they just 1163 01:06:41.599 --> 01:06:43.880 went to warp, got caught in the wormhole and ended 1164 01:06:43.920 --> 01:06:46.360 up they don't even know where they are, so that's interesting. 1165 01:06:46.400 --> 01:06:47.559 But anyway, I don't know. 1166 01:06:47.920 --> 01:06:52.000 But the problem is that everybody of the original crew, 1167 01:06:52.039 --> 01:06:55.039 they're all delighted that Spock is on board, but Spock 1168 01:06:56.000 --> 01:06:58.760 is still dealing with the after effects of the culinar 1169 01:06:58.960 --> 01:07:02.519 ritual and he's very cold. He doesn't he's not presenting 1170 01:07:02.519 --> 01:07:05.159 any type of emotion. He doesn't even seem to be 1171 01:07:05.199 --> 01:07:07.760 happy to be there to see all his friends. 1172 01:07:09.440 --> 01:07:13.760 I'm telling you, he's it's and can you imagine that 1173 01:07:13.880 --> 01:07:18.079 Spock's mother is married to a Vulcan? Have you watched 1174 01:07:18.079 --> 01:07:21.400 that episode recently? The's Sarah and Amanda show up for 1175 01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:24.079 the first time and She's like, yeah, it's really hard, 1176 01:07:24.360 --> 01:07:26.880 but it's worth it. I'm like, it's not worth it. 1177 01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:29.519 They are terrible, Like if you're crying about something, they're 1178 01:07:29.519 --> 01:07:32.519 gonna be like, what it's wrong with you? You've weirdo 1179 01:07:32.679 --> 01:07:34.840 human like I can't take them. 1180 01:07:35.280 --> 01:07:37.960 It did seem a little odd, and they do address 1181 01:07:38.000 --> 01:07:41.159 that a little bit in the Abrams reboot, which we'll 1182 01:07:41.199 --> 01:07:43.320 talk about when we talk about it, But that is 1183 01:07:43.599 --> 01:07:45.760 that always seemed to be a little odd, Like there's 1184 01:07:45.760 --> 01:07:50.440 no warmth with a vulcan. So what would a kind of. 1185 01:07:50.480 --> 01:07:52.840 Human being falls in love with a vulcan? 1186 01:07:53.280 --> 01:07:53.360 Like? 1187 01:07:53.519 --> 01:07:56.519 Ultimately, like I get the appeal. They're cool and they 1188 01:07:56.559 --> 01:07:58.800 know a lot of shit. But at the same time, 1189 01:07:59.440 --> 01:08:03.639 like they cuddle, they must cuddle. They understand your needs, right, 1190 01:08:03.679 --> 01:08:06.119 they have to as long as they're acting in some 1191 01:08:06.320 --> 01:08:09.639 manner toward your emotions. I suppose it would be. 1192 01:08:09.719 --> 01:08:13.000 Okay, well, let me ask this before we move off 1193 01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:17.560 to the subject. Does every Vulcan go through culinar? No, 1194 01:08:17.640 --> 01:08:18.520 that's their emotions. 1195 01:08:18.680 --> 01:08:22.960 No, that's for masters that you're part of, the following 1196 01:08:23.000 --> 01:08:23.479 the religion. 1197 01:08:23.520 --> 01:08:26.399 At that point, I got it. So it's likely that 1198 01:08:26.560 --> 01:08:30.840 Spock that Sarah has not gone through culinar. He's still 1199 01:08:31.279 --> 01:08:35.840 a regular old Vulcan with emotions that are mostly buried 1200 01:08:35.880 --> 01:08:39.199 and subsumed. Okay, that makes more sense because he is, 1201 01:08:40.359 --> 01:08:41.800 and that part of it I think is the way 1202 01:08:41.880 --> 01:08:43.760 Mark Leonard plays him, but he has played with a 1203 01:08:43.800 --> 01:08:46.880 lot of warmth for a Vulcan. In fact, I would 1204 01:08:46.960 --> 01:08:49.760 say that he probably plays him with more warmth than 1205 01:08:50.159 --> 01:08:51.720 Leonard Nimoy typically does. 1206 01:08:52.119 --> 01:08:54.039 Oh, I don't know. I've seen those blooper reels. 1207 01:08:56.680 --> 01:09:00.600 What's presented as performance I think is much warmer. Anyway, 1208 01:09:01.079 --> 01:09:03.840 now Spock's on board. Spock makes it clear that he's 1209 01:09:03.920 --> 01:09:08.319 looking for answers about this thing that he's picked up from, 1210 01:09:08.399 --> 01:09:13.159 this this anomaly that's heading towards it space cloud, this cloud. 1211 01:09:13.199 --> 01:09:16.199 So he's thinks the stage for every Marvel and DC 1212 01:09:16.399 --> 01:09:19.680 movie from the past twenty years. The space cloud is coming. 1213 01:09:20.239 --> 01:09:22.800 Right and he at a certain point he talks with 1214 01:09:23.439 --> 01:09:29.079 McCoy and Kirk about why he didn't complete Colinar. What 1215 01:09:29.159 --> 01:09:32.479 Spock feels like I think, Spock says, he feels a 1216 01:09:32.600 --> 01:09:36.840 perfectly ordered consciousness that he's never felt before, and maybe 1217 01:09:37.319 --> 01:09:41.199 this has the answers that he's seeking. So the ship 1218 01:09:41.279 --> 01:09:44.279 finally reaches this anomaly and here's where things get. Now, 1219 01:09:44.319 --> 01:09:46.840 here's the thing. I forgot about this until I watch 1220 01:09:46.920 --> 01:09:50.920 this father alone. I remember kid No. I remember it 1221 01:09:50.960 --> 01:09:53.399 as a child saying to my mom that I wanted 1222 01:09:53.439 --> 01:09:56.880 to see Star trek the motion picture, and I very 1223 01:09:56.920 --> 01:09:59.720 distinctly remember my mother saying something to the effect of 1224 01:10:00.600 --> 01:10:03.760 I've heard it's just mostly just people looking up at 1225 01:10:03.760 --> 01:10:06.079 the screen and reacting to things. It doesn't sound it 1226 01:10:06.119 --> 01:10:09.680 sounds boring to me, and I didn't really think about 1227 01:10:09.680 --> 01:10:13.800 that until I rewatched this scene. So it reaches the 1228 01:10:13.840 --> 01:10:18.439 anomaly and they're actually, I don't think we've gotten to 1229 01:10:18.479 --> 01:10:20.720 this part yet, but eventually they head into the cloud 1230 01:10:21.159 --> 01:10:22.840 and they get deeper and deeper and deeper into it. 1231 01:10:22.880 --> 01:10:26.159 And what we're presented with is another three or four 1232 01:10:26.199 --> 01:10:31.560 minutes of wordless reactions and very much in the style 1233 01:10:31.640 --> 01:10:36.880 of two thousand and one, a space odyssey, like space psychedelics, scanning, 1234 01:10:37.159 --> 01:10:40.199 passing by the viewscreen. That's what we get. That's what 1235 01:10:40.239 --> 01:10:42.600 my mother was cautioning me against, because it's just a 1236 01:10:42.640 --> 01:10:43.880 bunch of reaction shots. 1237 01:10:44.239 --> 01:10:47.039 Anyway, well, they let me speak to the two thousand 1238 01:10:47.079 --> 01:10:51.079 and one angle, which Douglas Trumbull won an Academy Award 1239 01:10:51.199 --> 01:10:54.359 for his effects work on two thousand and one. It's 1240 01:10:54.399 --> 01:10:56.479 what made him and allowed him to go out and 1241 01:10:56.520 --> 01:11:00.560 make his own company. And it should also be noted 1242 01:11:00.680 --> 01:11:04.359 that just like that, unlike these sequence at the end 1243 01:11:04.560 --> 01:11:08.359 of two thousand and one, which is thrilling. This is 1244 01:11:08.439 --> 01:11:11.760 really muddy and boring, and this is another Douglas Trumble sequence. 1245 01:11:11.920 --> 01:11:16.239 The scene where we really explore Vjur's interior is when 1246 01:11:16.319 --> 01:11:19.680 Spock goes off on his own, and that's really the 1247 01:11:19.760 --> 01:11:21.960 trip portion of the movie. 1248 01:11:22.319 --> 01:11:26.319 Yeah, so eventually they figure out her. Spock figures out 1249 01:11:26.399 --> 01:11:30.479 that this thing actually has been trying to communicate with them, 1250 01:11:30.479 --> 01:11:32.840 but it's at such a high rate of speed that 1251 01:11:32.880 --> 01:11:35.439 it's too fast. So he figures out a way to 1252 01:11:35.439 --> 01:11:38.800 communicate back that there are no threat just as this 1253 01:11:38.840 --> 01:11:41.119 thing is spent sending one of the plasma balls right 1254 01:11:41.159 --> 01:11:43.680 at the enterprise. He gets through to it in the 1255 01:11:43.760 --> 01:11:47.239 nick of time and the plasma ball dissolves, and that's 1256 01:11:47.239 --> 01:11:49.640 when they go deeper into this cloud and they're gawking 1257 01:11:49.640 --> 01:11:53.159 at everything. But eventually what happens is they And by 1258 01:11:53.159 --> 01:11:56.000 the way, this is all a very good showcase for 1259 01:11:56.359 --> 01:11:59.920 Jerry Goldsmith's music because as they're passing through all the 1260 01:12:00.800 --> 01:12:07.640 psychedelic imagery, the score underneath it has these notes of excitement, 1261 01:12:07.680 --> 01:12:12.399 but also strikes that somber metallic tone that works beautifully 1262 01:12:12.399 --> 01:12:15.000 with the space photography and gives you the coldness of 1263 01:12:15.079 --> 01:12:19.000 space and excitement of the adventure that they're on. So 1264 01:12:19.680 --> 01:12:23.600 eventually they get probed again. And this is another part 1265 01:12:23.640 --> 01:12:25.800 that kind of scarred me a little bit as a child. 1266 01:12:26.319 --> 01:12:29.960 This probe that takes the form of essentially a lightning bolt, 1267 01:12:30.199 --> 01:12:34.279 a slow moving column of light that's passing through the 1268 01:12:34.319 --> 01:12:37.840 bridge that Kirk says, don't do anything, it's just probing us, 1269 01:12:38.239 --> 01:12:44.439 don't whatever. It eventually tries to take control of the 1270 01:12:44.439 --> 01:12:47.640 computer and they realize it's gathering all this data. Spock 1271 01:12:47.720 --> 01:12:51.600 destroys the console and he's blown back. Then what happens 1272 01:12:51.840 --> 01:12:55.079 is I still think it's horrifying. This probe takes a 1273 01:12:55.119 --> 01:12:59.359 hold of Eileena, who is completely innocent. She's all she's 1274 01:12:59.399 --> 01:13:02.960 doing is just on the bridge, frozen in place. It 1275 01:13:03.000 --> 01:13:05.960 takes a hold of her, shakes her around a little bit, 1276 01:13:06.479 --> 01:13:11.119 and vaporizes her right before their eyes. She's gone spoiler alert, 1277 01:13:11.159 --> 01:13:15.479 she doesn't come back. She's dead, just deadly. Yeah, she's dead. 1278 01:13:16.159 --> 01:13:18.079 Vija has murdered another. 1279 01:13:18.479 --> 01:13:22.520 Innocent Yeah, completely innocent, And she's even more innocent than 1280 01:13:22.520 --> 01:13:25.920 everybody else because she's supposed to be this pure Delton 1281 01:13:26.039 --> 01:13:29.840 that has all of these kind of what we will 1282 01:13:29.920 --> 01:13:33.319 later associate with Deanna Troy from Next Generation. She's an 1283 01:13:33.359 --> 01:13:37.199 EmPATH and she has these abilities to put make people 1284 01:13:37.279 --> 01:13:41.560 feel good. Chekhov gets burned when his station explodes, and 1285 01:13:41.600 --> 01:13:44.840 she's able to like calm him and make him feel 1286 01:13:44.840 --> 01:13:48.880 no pain while the medics arrive. So it's incredibly sad 1287 01:13:48.960 --> 01:13:51.119 that this member of the crew is killed for no 1288 01:13:51.199 --> 01:13:56.239 good reason. But what's even scarier is after this happens, 1289 01:13:56.880 --> 01:14:01.119 eventually they get a signal from her her quarters there's 1290 01:14:01.159 --> 01:14:03.800 a life form in there. I'm jumping ahead a little bit, 1291 01:14:04.439 --> 01:14:07.039 and they go there and Eileena is there. But it's 1292 01:14:07.119 --> 01:14:11.920 not Eileena. It's this It's another manifestation of a probe 1293 01:14:12.000 --> 01:14:17.600 from this cloud thing which we which she will term Vegre. 1294 01:14:18.079 --> 01:14:21.239 She's nothing more than a complex robot that Vegre has 1295 01:14:21.279 --> 01:14:25.359 sent over to do more probing and more studying of 1296 01:14:26.000 --> 01:14:30.880 this ship. So not only is Eileena gone, but she's 1297 01:14:30.920 --> 01:14:36.479 been replaced with this weird robot like simulacrum of her. 1298 01:14:37.199 --> 01:14:40.359 I just I found that incredibly cruel. Fotom alone couldn't 1299 01:14:40.399 --> 01:14:40.840 shake it. 1300 01:14:40.960 --> 01:14:42.880 Well. It's one of the interesting things going on in 1301 01:14:42.880 --> 01:14:45.199 this movie, one of the few in Star Trek. The 1302 01:14:45.239 --> 01:14:48.800 motionless picture, because here's where we're at our most motionless. 1303 01:14:48.800 --> 01:14:52.479 We're just traveling through the cloud. Now, right, is there 1304 01:14:52.479 --> 01:14:55.039 a villain? I don't know. Maybe something at the end, 1305 01:14:55.159 --> 01:14:57.760 at the center of this cloud, I guess is the problem. 1306 01:14:58.159 --> 01:15:00.840 So she's she's our only me means of trying to 1307 01:15:00.920 --> 01:15:04.720 understand what this anomaly is after because she calls it 1308 01:15:04.880 --> 01:15:10.279 vegre like vi apostrophe ger. I think is how it's spelled. 1309 01:15:10.279 --> 01:15:11.399 I think that's in the closed. 1310 01:15:11.159 --> 01:15:13.479 Captions the creator. 1311 01:15:14.159 --> 01:15:18.840 Right, So this anomaly, this this living ship is searching 1312 01:15:18.920 --> 01:15:21.319 for its creator. We don't know why, we don't know 1313 01:15:21.359 --> 01:15:24.560 what the purpose is. But she is on the ship 1314 01:15:24.600 --> 01:15:28.239 now to study them. And then of course Deckerd, because 1315 01:15:28.600 --> 01:15:33.640 he has a history of Eilena, is he's trying to 1316 01:15:33.840 --> 01:15:37.439 almost like trying to get an anesiac to restore their memory. 1317 01:15:37.800 --> 01:15:41.039 He's trying to walk her through all these familiar places 1318 01:15:41.079 --> 01:15:44.560 and the hopes that maybe Aileena is in there somewhere, 1319 01:15:45.079 --> 01:15:48.880 and there's clues that maybe there is some vestige of 1320 01:15:48.920 --> 01:15:51.439 her in there. But I will say this, At one 1321 01:15:51.520 --> 01:15:54.600 point they go into what amounts to a rec room 1322 01:15:55.079 --> 01:15:58.119 in the Enterprise and he's showing her, Hey, we used 1323 01:15:58.119 --> 01:16:00.640 to play this game, and you know, it would always 1324 01:16:00.680 --> 01:16:03.840 beat me. This room that they're in. I don't know 1325 01:16:03.840 --> 01:16:06.960 about you, fatherm Alone. We talk a lot about set 1326 01:16:07.000 --> 01:16:10.359 design and things we like in other podcasts Night Mister Walters, 1327 01:16:10.399 --> 01:16:14.960 for one, This it's mammoth. It looks like I would 1328 01:16:15.000 --> 01:16:18.359 imagine a wreck room would look in a giant starship 1329 01:16:18.399 --> 01:16:21.319 in space in the twenty third century or whenever that is. 1330 01:16:21.720 --> 01:16:24.479 I was entranced by it. I thought it was great. 1331 01:16:24.800 --> 01:16:26.880 It is it's the second time we've seen it. It's 1332 01:16:26.920 --> 01:16:29.239 the same room where they've gathered the entire crew to 1333 01:16:29.319 --> 01:16:32.159 let them know what their mission is again right by 1334 01:16:32.239 --> 01:16:36.039 that the crew is mainly in that scene peopled with 1335 01:16:36.319 --> 01:16:40.520 fan club members and other like people who were fans 1336 01:16:40.520 --> 01:16:44.159 of Star Trek who had like contacted the production, which. 1337 01:16:43.960 --> 01:16:46.119 Would explain the fact that at one of the reaction 1338 01:16:46.279 --> 01:16:50.520 shots there's someone who's clearly like somebody who has like 1339 01:16:50.840 --> 01:16:53.640 bad skin, like a lot of pimples, And I'm like, 1340 01:16:54.279 --> 01:16:57.319 wouldn't they have cured pimples in the twenty third century? 1341 01:16:57.359 --> 01:16:59.760 But it makes sense now that's probably someone who was 1342 01:16:59.800 --> 01:17:02.199 just a big, a young fan of the show who 1343 01:17:02.279 --> 01:17:05.000 is just going through puberty, probably at that point and 1344 01:17:05.239 --> 01:17:07.359 had bad skin. I don't know. I thought it was funny. 1345 01:17:08.039 --> 01:17:13.560 So as this is all happening, eventually Spock steals away 1346 01:17:13.560 --> 01:17:17.640 from his station and he steals I think they call 1347 01:17:17.680 --> 01:17:21.159 it a thruster suit. It's one of these spacewalk things 1348 01:17:21.239 --> 01:17:24.239 where he's decided he's they've gone all the way to 1349 01:17:24.319 --> 01:17:27.840 this part of the ship, this living organism, this Vegre 1350 01:17:27.880 --> 01:17:32.039 that has this aperture that opens and closes at regular intervals, 1351 01:17:32.760 --> 01:17:35.039 and he wants to try and get to the center 1352 01:17:35.199 --> 01:17:37.479 of this being. 1353 01:17:37.840 --> 01:17:40.600 Finally needs in his mind, he needs to make physical 1354 01:17:40.640 --> 01:17:43.880 contact with Vegre in order to mind meld with it. 1355 01:17:44.039 --> 01:17:47.199 Only then will he know Veger's true purpose, to which 1356 01:17:47.239 --> 01:17:49.640 I would say, she's standing beside you. 1357 01:17:51.079 --> 01:17:51.720 He can just talk. 1358 01:17:51.800 --> 01:17:54.960 Lie, are you getting in a fucking spacesuit and flying 1359 01:17:55.000 --> 01:17:58.319 through the cloud when Vegre is on the ship already 1360 01:17:58.319 --> 01:17:59.880 with you if you want to mind meld. 1361 01:18:00.359 --> 01:18:03.239 This is Spock at his most rebellious. I don't remember 1362 01:18:03.359 --> 01:18:07.720 him ever really taking matters into his hands to this degree. 1363 01:18:07.800 --> 01:18:12.039 At some point he neck pinches somebody in that area 1364 01:18:12.079 --> 01:18:14.640 where they have the suits so he can steal one. 1365 01:18:14.680 --> 01:18:16.880 So he steals the suit and he times it so 1366 01:18:16.920 --> 01:18:19.439 that he can hit the thruster and get through the 1367 01:18:19.479 --> 01:18:22.840 aperture before it closes, and he succeeds. He's in this 1368 01:18:22.880 --> 01:18:26.399 thing and he's going through another psychedelic light show, and 1369 01:18:26.479 --> 01:18:30.960 he's seeing like inside of vgre or all these like 1370 01:18:31.039 --> 01:18:34.239 reproductions of solar systems and all these things that it's 1371 01:18:34.239 --> 01:18:36.680 seen and all the data that it's collected, and it's 1372 01:18:36.720 --> 01:18:38.359 all rather striking to see. 1373 01:18:38.479 --> 01:18:40.840 I have the living machine and we haven't really gotten 1374 01:18:40.920 --> 01:18:43.079 one of those on the big screen. So yeah, this 1375 01:18:43.119 --> 01:18:44.760 is fascinating stuff. 1376 01:18:45.199 --> 01:18:47.600 It's cool. And he makes his way eventually at the 1377 01:18:47.680 --> 01:18:51.479 very center and this is rather inexplicable. It's a giant 1378 01:18:51.600 --> 01:18:57.319 size version of Eileena with like this little sensor in 1379 01:18:57.359 --> 01:19:00.119 her neck. And he decides, I'm going to mind mel 1380 01:19:00.239 --> 01:19:02.039 with that thing and figure out what's going on here. 1381 01:19:02.039 --> 01:19:04.600 So he tries to mind meld, and of course it's 1382 01:19:04.640 --> 01:19:07.319 too much data, too much information, and it'll it kind 1383 01:19:07.319 --> 01:19:11.199 of short circuits him and he is blown back back 1384 01:19:11.239 --> 01:19:14.920 towards where he came. And coincidentally, now Kirk, who's figured 1385 01:19:14.960 --> 01:19:18.479 out well, Spock, he probably he got outside. I think 1386 01:19:18.479 --> 01:19:20.319 they've told him that there's a suit missing, and he 1387 01:19:20.359 --> 01:19:24.079 figures out in Spock. He's approaching this aperture. Just as 1388 01:19:24.159 --> 01:19:28.640 Spock gets spit out effectively by the creature. He brings 1389 01:19:28.800 --> 01:19:31.680 Spock back, and actually, I think this is probably the 1390 01:19:31.720 --> 01:19:34.880 best Spock scene in the movie, because they bring him 1391 01:19:34.880 --> 01:19:37.640 to sick Bay and they're talking to him and he's 1392 01:19:37.840 --> 01:19:41.399 Spock is explaining what he felt and what it was like, 1393 01:19:41.439 --> 01:19:43.840 and this is really one of the few times you 1394 01:19:43.880 --> 01:19:48.760 see finally Spock is showing some emotion because he comes 1395 01:19:48.800 --> 01:19:51.560 out of this kind of coma that he was in, 1396 01:19:52.159 --> 01:19:55.840 and he says, when he mind melded, he saw it 1397 01:19:55.920 --> 01:19:59.079 was all pure logic. There was no beauty, no nothing. 1398 01:19:59.119 --> 01:20:02.399 He says, even as simple gesture like he takes Kirk's 1399 01:20:02.399 --> 01:20:04.840 hand in his and he says, even this simple gesture 1400 01:20:04.880 --> 01:20:08.680 has no meaning to Vgre There's no hope and there's 1401 01:20:08.720 --> 01:20:13.279 no answers. And finally it seems like Spock has learned 1402 01:20:13.319 --> 01:20:18.960 to reappreciate his emotional side. And it's beautiful to see 1403 01:20:19.000 --> 01:20:21.600 this performance from Nimoy, because he's had to be so 1404 01:20:21.800 --> 01:20:25.720 reserved through the movie up to this point, and it's 1405 01:20:25.760 --> 01:20:27.399 amazing to see. 1406 01:20:27.479 --> 01:20:30.560 We like, give us back our Spok already, come on, man, 1407 01:20:30.720 --> 01:20:33.439 don't be vulcan. Be vulcan half human. 1408 01:20:34.000 --> 01:20:36.520 We need to see both sides of it for it 1409 01:20:36.560 --> 01:20:40.960 to really feel like Spock, because everyone wants to judge 1410 01:20:41.039 --> 01:20:43.840 him solely on the logic, but we got both. That's 1411 01:20:43.880 --> 01:20:46.520 the whole point. He's half human. We need to see 1412 01:20:46.520 --> 01:20:48.399 those emotions come to the surface. 1413 01:20:48.840 --> 01:20:52.000 I remember his reaction after pon Far when he realized 1414 01:20:52.039 --> 01:20:53.239 that Kirk was still alive. 1415 01:20:53.960 --> 01:21:01.359 Jim, He's excited. Yeah, I remember that. Good call. So 1416 01:21:02.680 --> 01:21:06.960 now the cloud has approached Earth finally, and Spock figures 1417 01:21:06.960 --> 01:21:10.800 out that this signal that it's been sending out is 1418 01:21:10.880 --> 01:21:15.119 actually a radio signal. Decker tells Kirk that Veiger is 1419 01:21:15.159 --> 01:21:18.239 expecting an answer, but he doesn't know the question. So 1420 01:21:18.479 --> 01:21:21.560 another series of balls go out that effectively render the 1421 01:21:21.640 --> 01:21:25.520 Earth defenseless. It shuts down all of the fence systems 1422 01:21:25.960 --> 01:21:28.399 on the Earth. It's a big it's a scary moment 1423 01:21:28.479 --> 01:21:30.960 because you feel like the Earth is hanging in the 1424 01:21:31.000 --> 01:21:31.680 balance here. 1425 01:21:32.199 --> 01:21:34.640 So f first time in Star Trek that this has. 1426 01:21:34.560 --> 01:21:38.680 Happened, that the Earth is in such jeopardy. Yeah, wow, 1427 01:21:38.800 --> 01:21:41.800 that's surprising. After three years, they never had something to 1428 01:21:41.840 --> 01:21:42.399 this degree. 1429 01:21:42.840 --> 01:21:46.760 No, not like this. They've clearly had living machines seeking 1430 01:21:46.800 --> 01:21:49.920 their creators in the past, but they have not had 1431 01:21:50.000 --> 01:21:54.239 Earth in as the object of peril like this before. 1432 01:21:54.840 --> 01:21:57.600 Interesting, well, very high stakes, and at least at this 1433 01:21:57.720 --> 01:22:00.399 point because it's so like because we will see the 1434 01:22:00.439 --> 01:22:04.840 Earth and the universe and whatever in jeopardy in many 1435 01:22:04.880 --> 01:22:07.399 of these movies as we go along, but to actually 1436 01:22:08.039 --> 01:22:11.039 raise those stakes in the first movie, it's actually pretty 1437 01:22:11.359 --> 01:22:16.039 pretty cool. So there's some back and forth between the 1438 01:22:16.119 --> 01:22:21.800 Aileena the probe it. Kirk tries to play hardball, thinking 1439 01:22:21.840 --> 01:22:24.119 that well, Viger is acting like a child, so I 1440 01:22:24.119 --> 01:22:27.279 will treat it as a child, so he refuses. He 1441 01:22:27.319 --> 01:22:29.479 says he has the answers to give to Vigre, but 1442 01:22:29.520 --> 01:22:33.920 only if they remove the plasma balls that are holding 1443 01:22:33.960 --> 01:22:37.439 the Earth and check they're effectively at a stalemate. So 1444 01:22:37.520 --> 01:22:41.479 finally they decide they're gonna. They're gonna. He wants to 1445 01:22:41.479 --> 01:22:44.199 give the information to Viga directly, so they walk out. 1446 01:22:44.680 --> 01:22:50.399 There's there's an oxygen pockets formed around the enterprise, so 1447 01:22:50.439 --> 01:22:54.079 they can effectively walk right out the hall to the 1448 01:22:54.239 --> 01:22:55.359 very heart of Vegre. 1449 01:22:55.479 --> 01:22:59.079 Finally, and vi has been so kind to layout little 1450 01:22:59.399 --> 01:23:01.760 tiles for everyone to step on right. 1451 01:23:02.479 --> 01:23:04.199 But and this is actually I thought this was a 1452 01:23:04.199 --> 01:23:07.399 good touch. I forgot about this is As they're leaving, 1453 01:23:08.199 --> 01:23:14.000 Kirk covertly tells mister Scott, hey, there's prepare a self 1454 01:23:14.000 --> 01:23:17.600 destruct on my mark. If I can't come back from this, 1455 01:23:17.880 --> 01:23:20.399 it's up to you to destroy the ship and hopefully 1456 01:23:20.760 --> 01:23:24.319 Veger at the same time. So he's got a little 1457 01:23:24.319 --> 01:23:26.680 bit of insurance in case things go south with Viger. 1458 01:23:26.800 --> 01:23:31.359 So they go out. They walk out Spock, Kirk, Eileena, 1459 01:23:31.479 --> 01:23:35.239 and Decker. They walk out to Viger to find out 1460 01:23:35.239 --> 01:23:37.640 what is going on here? What does this actually all mean? 1461 01:23:38.279 --> 01:23:41.359 And I gotta say, I still think this is a 1462 01:23:41.399 --> 01:23:45.039 wonderful twist. I'm sure that it was probably done better 1463 01:23:45.119 --> 01:23:48.680 in some episode of Star Trek previously, but I, as 1464 01:23:48.720 --> 01:23:50.960 a child, I thought this was really a cool twist. 1465 01:23:51.039 --> 01:23:55.680 So they get out to Vegre and it's like, in 1466 01:23:55.720 --> 01:23:59.039 the middle of all of this sort of living machinery 1467 01:23:59.640 --> 01:24:03.560 is all to a satellite, a man made satellite that 1468 01:24:03.600 --> 01:24:07.640 all this is formed from the center outwards and they're 1469 01:24:07.680 --> 01:24:12.800 looking at it and it's Vegre. It turns out Vegre 1470 01:24:12.880 --> 01:24:17.279 is actually a voyager satellite, Voyager six in fact, that 1471 01:24:17.399 --> 01:24:20.199 was sent out more than three hundred years ago. Now 1472 01:24:20.239 --> 01:24:23.399 we all grew up, I know, Father Malone. Maybe you 1473 01:24:23.439 --> 01:24:27.479 remember when the Voyager satellites were sent out into the 1474 01:24:27.520 --> 01:24:29.279 Solar System to gather data. 1475 01:24:29.439 --> 01:24:33.439 Transmitter one and Voyager two. Now, initially it was the 1476 01:24:33.479 --> 01:24:36.239 Mariner program. Those are the names of the satellites they 1477 01:24:36.239 --> 01:24:39.800 were sending out. And then I forget the name of 1478 01:24:39.840 --> 01:24:43.880 the technician who figured out that you can use gravity assist. 1479 01:24:44.359 --> 01:24:46.960 And it just so happened that in the nineteen seventies 1480 01:24:47.039 --> 01:24:49.960 that our planets were going to align so that you 1481 01:24:50.000 --> 01:24:53.319 could use the gravity of a planet to slingshot your 1482 01:24:53.359 --> 01:24:56.279 satellite off to the next one and on. Just so 1483 01:24:56.359 --> 01:24:59.279 happens that this is going on while Star Trek is happening. 1484 01:24:59.560 --> 01:25:02.600 It sounds like science fiction what you're describing, but this 1485 01:25:02.720 --> 01:25:04.119 is real people, right. 1486 01:25:04.159 --> 01:25:06.680 They sent out actually they sent out two. Now one 1487 01:25:06.800 --> 01:25:11.239 was a backup technically, but really they had already programmed 1488 01:25:11.279 --> 01:25:13.199 it to go on its own separate mission because they 1489 01:25:13.199 --> 01:25:15.119 wanted two missions out of this, because they wanted to 1490 01:25:15.159 --> 01:25:19.119 hit every single planet. So Voyager one, Voyager two. Voyager 1491 01:25:19.119 --> 01:25:22.399 two is the famous one with the the record gold record. Yeah, 1492 01:25:22.439 --> 01:25:26.119 with greetings from Earth and all of Carl Sagan's Carl 1493 01:25:26.159 --> 01:25:28.319 Sagan put that whole thing together, got paid twenty five 1494 01:25:28.359 --> 01:25:29.239 thousand dollars. 1495 01:25:29.039 --> 01:25:31.359 By the way, which is a lot of money back then. 1496 01:25:31.520 --> 01:25:34.239 A lot of fucking money. It was like nineteen seventy 1497 01:25:34.279 --> 01:25:37.319 he was doing that shit anyway. So, yes, Voyager fever 1498 01:25:37.600 --> 01:25:39.600 is in the air. Now, we only sent two, but 1499 01:25:39.680 --> 01:25:42.079 this is Voyager six that we claim was sent in 1500 01:25:42.159 --> 01:25:47.319 nineteen ninety nine, So this is a further iteration of 1501 01:25:47.359 --> 01:25:50.039 what we were already doing. And it also should be 1502 01:25:50.079 --> 01:25:53.479 noted that in nineteen seventy nine, all of nineteen seventy 1503 01:25:53.560 --> 01:25:56.800 nine is when we started getting pictures back of Jupiter 1504 01:25:57.600 --> 01:26:01.399 and Saturn from Voyager. You couldn't ask for a better 1505 01:26:01.439 --> 01:26:05.479 fucking commercial if they had named the Voyager Probe Enterprise 1506 01:26:05.640 --> 01:26:07.920 was the only way they could have advertised the movie, right. 1507 01:26:08.720 --> 01:26:11.319 But it's and by the way, the Voyager two, I 1508 01:26:11.359 --> 01:26:16.399 think is still I think it's actually gone as far 1509 01:26:16.560 --> 01:26:19.359 out into the soul system as any other any man 1510 01:26:19.399 --> 01:26:22.560 made object ever has and it's still sending data back 1511 01:26:22.600 --> 01:26:25.640 as recently as like I think, ten years ago, So 1512 01:26:25.720 --> 01:26:29.760 this is still happenings. It sounds unbelievable, but it's true. 1513 01:26:30.000 --> 01:26:33.680 With those solum power stores, so as long as the 1514 01:26:33.720 --> 01:26:37.359 equipment remains good, it'll still transmit. But you would just. 1515 01:26:37.319 --> 01:26:39.760 Figure, like what the odds that it could be hit 1516 01:26:39.840 --> 01:26:42.680 by some kind of celestial object or something. But it's 1517 01:26:42.720 --> 01:26:46.199 just like there's a famous picture. I think it's called 1518 01:26:46.199 --> 01:26:48.359 the Little Blue Dot, and I think Carl Sagan has 1519 01:26:48.399 --> 01:26:51.399 spoken about this. I'm sure people have seen this. It's 1520 01:26:51.720 --> 01:26:54.159 this picture of this. It looks like a beam of light, 1521 01:26:54.279 --> 01:26:57.319 beams of light coming down in a little tiny blue 1522 01:26:57.640 --> 01:27:01.359 speck that's smaller than a mode of dust. That's Earth. 1523 01:27:02.039 --> 01:27:05.880 It had gotten so far out into the vast reaches 1524 01:27:05.920 --> 01:27:09.079 of space and took a picture back at our planet 1525 01:27:09.319 --> 01:27:12.840 to show how infinitesimal in the grand scheme of the universe. 1526 01:27:13.239 --> 01:27:16.600 It's amazing, and it's again it's not science fiction. This 1527 01:27:16.760 --> 01:27:18.600 actually was developed and launched. 1528 01:27:19.079 --> 01:27:22.279 So that is called family portrait. 1529 01:27:22.399 --> 01:27:25.079 By the way, is that what it's called? Okay, But 1530 01:27:25.199 --> 01:27:26.000 it's striking. 1531 01:27:25.720 --> 01:27:29.319 Because everyone you have ever known, everything you have ever thought, 1532 01:27:29.680 --> 01:27:33.720 everything that has ever been is in that photograph. 1533 01:27:33.399 --> 01:27:36.560 Is in that photograph. It's crazy. It's just it makes you. 1534 01:27:37.119 --> 01:27:40.359 It puts things into perspective, a little too much fucking perspective. 1535 01:27:40.399 --> 01:27:41.600 Maybe but perspective. 1536 01:27:42.439 --> 01:27:45.319 I think everyone should be fucking strapped into a rocket, 1537 01:27:45.600 --> 01:27:47.880 put into orbit and made to look at the Earth 1538 01:27:47.920 --> 01:27:51.039 and go holy shit, and then return to us and 1539 01:27:51.079 --> 01:27:53.119 then maybe we'll be all cool with each other. 1540 01:27:53.359 --> 01:27:55.720 Well that's what they say. I'm not suggesting people pony 1541 01:27:55.800 --> 01:27:58.640 up two hundred and fifty thousand dollars or whatever it 1542 01:27:58.680 --> 01:27:59.680 costs to go up with that. 1543 01:27:59.840 --> 01:28:01.479 No, that's a sexting to them. 1544 01:28:01.920 --> 01:28:02.600 But here's the thing. 1545 01:28:02.640 --> 01:28:02.840 I know. 1546 01:28:03.000 --> 01:28:05.600 Shatner went up in one of those things. Is it 1547 01:28:05.640 --> 01:28:10.199 blew something or other and it was death? No? He 1548 01:28:10.279 --> 01:28:13.279 well yet, well he cried, because how can you not 1549 01:28:13.399 --> 01:28:17.000 When you see the earth such as it is, it 1550 01:28:17.039 --> 01:28:21.000 gives you an amazing new perspective on things. Anyway, the 1551 01:28:21.079 --> 01:28:23.960 reason why it kept calling itself Vegre is because the 1552 01:28:24.039 --> 01:28:29.079 brass nameplate that said Voyager had smudging. It had dirt 1553 01:28:29.359 --> 01:28:34.279 over the oya, so it thought its name was Vegre. 1554 01:28:34.840 --> 01:28:37.359 It missed THEA. I just thought that was such a 1555 01:28:37.399 --> 01:28:40.359 brilliant twist. This is a man made object that we 1556 01:28:40.359 --> 01:28:43.079 were all semi familiar with because of the Voyager one 1557 01:28:43.119 --> 01:28:47.159 and two probes that essentially it went out the Voyager 1558 01:28:47.199 --> 01:28:50.279 six in the movie. It fell into a black hole, 1559 01:28:51.000 --> 01:28:54.279 and they theorized that it emerged on the far end 1560 01:28:54.319 --> 01:28:57.359 of the galaxy and it fell into this gravity of 1561 01:28:57.439 --> 01:29:01.039 this machine planet, this living machine plant it and this 1562 01:29:01.079 --> 01:29:04.680 thing took the creed of learn all that is learnable 1563 01:29:04.720 --> 01:29:06.840 and take it back to the creator, because that's what 1564 01:29:07.159 --> 01:29:11.319 Voyager was designed to do, transmit information back to Earth. 1565 01:29:12.560 --> 01:29:17.600 This living planet absorbed the Voyager probe and took that 1566 01:29:17.840 --> 01:29:22.119 as a literal meaning that became bigger and more monstrous 1567 01:29:22.159 --> 01:29:23.479 as it got bigger bigger. 1568 01:29:23.880 --> 01:29:28.439 The lore is Voyager six ended up on a machine 1569 01:29:28.479 --> 01:29:32.640 planet that went, Okay, we understand what they were trying 1570 01:29:32.680 --> 01:29:35.800 to do with this, but let's give it life and 1571 01:29:35.920 --> 01:29:38.800 let its complete its mission to its fullest extent. And 1572 01:29:38.840 --> 01:29:42.720 then Vegre just started absorbing everything. But every time it 1573 01:29:42.760 --> 01:29:45.039 was calling back to Earth was not getting a return. 1574 01:29:45.520 --> 01:29:49.000 So now an answer, So now it's coming back. Okay, Now, 1575 01:29:50.399 --> 01:29:54.199 Star Trek lore will have you think that the planet 1576 01:29:54.199 --> 01:29:58.239 that it landed on was the Borg planet. I've heard that, Yeah, 1577 01:29:58.279 --> 01:30:01.720 that the Borg created Vigure. Okay. Now, the reason people 1578 01:30:01.720 --> 01:30:05.359 think that is because William Shatner in his novel The 1579 01:30:05.439 --> 01:30:09.520 Return kind of offhandedly mentions that as a possibility. So 1580 01:30:09.560 --> 01:30:11.439 since then people have been taking it as cannon, but 1581 01:30:11.760 --> 01:30:14.880 it's actually the opposite. Do you know what happens to Vjre? 1582 01:30:14.880 --> 01:30:17.800 Eventually Vegre creates. 1583 01:30:17.359 --> 01:30:19.319 The board at the end of this movie. 1584 01:30:19.560 --> 01:30:20.920 No, not at the end of this movie, and it's 1585 01:30:21.000 --> 01:30:24.000 further travels, Vegre ends up creating the board. 1586 01:30:24.359 --> 01:30:27.039 Interesting. Where was that spelled out? 1587 01:30:27.279 --> 01:30:29.279 It's in the comic books. Look, I'm not. 1588 01:30:31.439 --> 01:30:33.359 I thought you were gonna say, oh something to such 1589 01:30:33.359 --> 01:30:34.359 wrote about it or whatever. 1590 01:30:34.600 --> 01:30:37.960 Speaking of which, you're familiar with the concept of the 1591 01:30:38.000 --> 01:30:40.000 mirror universe in Star Trek, right. 1592 01:30:39.920 --> 01:30:42.439 Of course, who isn't stock with a go tea? 1593 01:30:42.640 --> 01:30:44.399 Yeah, right, somewhere there's an evil to me with a 1594 01:30:44.479 --> 01:30:49.760 goatee somewhere. So in the mirror universe there's a mirror 1595 01:30:49.840 --> 01:30:52.119 version of Vegure named Seeker. 1596 01:30:54.520 --> 01:30:55.399 You get out of here. 1597 01:30:55.560 --> 01:30:59.720 No, I'm not kidding, man. Get this. Seeker was sent 1598 01:30:59.800 --> 01:31:04.359 out by the Terran Empire. Its name is Conqueror Seeker, 1599 01:31:05.039 --> 01:31:08.399 and when it gets to where it's absorbed all of 1600 01:31:08.399 --> 01:31:12.479 its knowledge and realizes it's just been used by the 1601 01:31:12.560 --> 01:31:18.039 Terran Empire, it returns for vengeance, not to give it knowledge. 1602 01:31:18.279 --> 01:31:19.960 I love Seeker, I love Vegure. 1603 01:31:20.600 --> 01:31:22.680 See I want to see that movie that where you're 1604 01:31:22.720 --> 01:31:24.880 describing that sounds pretty cool. 1605 01:31:25.439 --> 01:31:28.199 Well, it should be noted that Vegre has not made 1606 01:31:28.279 --> 01:31:31.279 a return to any of the Star Trek properties. How 1607 01:31:31.279 --> 01:31:33.680 many fucking Star Trek properties have been there since this 1608 01:31:33.760 --> 01:31:38.800 movie came out? Next Generation Voyager, Deep Space nine, Enterprise, 1609 01:31:39.239 --> 01:31:45.000 fucking Strange New World, fucking Discovery, fucking Outpost thirty one, 1610 01:31:45.199 --> 01:31:49.119 and nobody no talk of Vegre, no twanging guitar sound. 1611 01:31:49.279 --> 01:31:49.960 What the fuck? 1612 01:31:50.560 --> 01:31:53.720 That's the thing? Because this was a grave threat to 1613 01:31:53.800 --> 01:31:57.520 the Earth as we know it, and we never hear 1614 01:31:57.560 --> 01:32:00.840 about it ever again after this you're absolutely correc fallom alone. 1615 01:32:01.399 --> 01:32:04.640 It's pretty pretty weird kind of an oversight, I would. 1616 01:32:04.399 --> 01:32:08.520 Think, considering how many fucking iterations of Star Trek are 1617 01:32:08.520 --> 01:32:11.800 out there, nobody's decided like, hey, let's go back and 1618 01:32:11.800 --> 01:32:13.600 look at Vidure. Now, how many times have they gone 1619 01:32:13.640 --> 01:32:15.319 to the goddamn Genesis planet? 1620 01:32:15.680 --> 01:32:18.199 True? And that was only what in the matter of 1621 01:32:18.399 --> 01:32:21.960 the two or three movies they kept going back to Genesis. Yeah, man, 1622 01:32:22.119 --> 01:32:25.920 come on now, crazy. So anyway, they figure out that 1623 01:32:26.720 --> 01:32:30.159 Vegure's got to finally offload its payload of data to 1624 01:32:30.560 --> 01:32:33.640 complete its mission, but then they try to set this up, 1625 01:32:33.680 --> 01:32:37.479 but it refuses because now Aileena, the probe all right, 1626 01:32:37.479 --> 01:32:40.159 I guess we'll just call Aileena says that Vegre wants 1627 01:32:40.199 --> 01:32:44.760 to join with the Creator, and Deckard I think, perhaps 1628 01:32:44.840 --> 01:32:48.279 blinded by his love for Aileena, decides that he's going 1629 01:32:48.319 --> 01:32:51.479 to be the one to sacrifice himself to join with 1630 01:32:51.640 --> 01:32:56.640 Vegre and prevent this catastrophe from happening. This is again, 1631 01:32:56.680 --> 01:32:59.279 this is kind of another I can't help but think 1632 01:32:59.359 --> 01:33:02.640 this was influenced by two thousand and one, because what 1633 01:33:02.680 --> 01:33:06.159 we're effectively seeing is the creation of a new form 1634 01:33:06.199 --> 01:33:08.399 of life, a new stage of life, I should say, 1635 01:33:08.960 --> 01:33:14.840 so he and Eileena and quotes embrace they There's all 1636 01:33:14.840 --> 01:33:17.479 sorts of star dust and things that swirl around them. 1637 01:33:17.520 --> 01:33:21.000 There's they grow brighter and brighter until they finally merge 1638 01:33:21.079 --> 01:33:27.399 with the stars and they absorb vegure, and they effectively 1639 01:33:27.399 --> 01:33:30.479 become a new form of creature. We don't really know 1640 01:33:30.520 --> 01:33:34.039 what or how or where they go, but now the 1641 01:33:34.119 --> 01:33:38.680 danger is over. Earth is spared the thread of these 1642 01:33:38.960 --> 01:33:43.600 veger coming to destroy it, and everything is good. Thumbs 1643 01:33:43.680 --> 01:33:47.000 up Kirk and Spock and company save the day. And 1644 01:33:47.439 --> 01:33:49.520 that's pretty and that's pretty much it. So they go 1645 01:33:49.600 --> 01:33:52.439 back on to the Enterprise, they pat themselves on the back, 1646 01:33:52.520 --> 01:33:55.319 they talk about what happened, and then they just decide 1647 01:33:55.319 --> 01:33:57.960 we're going to go that way, and the final credit 1648 01:33:58.079 --> 01:34:02.840 role begin with the words the Human Adventure is just beginning. 1649 01:34:02.840 --> 01:34:06.239 It's kind of like their version of the Seven will return. 1650 01:34:06.399 --> 01:34:09.439 It's hey, get ready, we're gonna kick off a whole 1651 01:34:09.479 --> 01:34:12.479 bunch of new movies and that's it. 1652 01:34:12.960 --> 01:34:16.199 Doctor Detroit will be back in Doctor to the Wrath 1653 01:34:16.239 --> 01:34:18.720 of Mom. 1654 01:34:18.880 --> 01:34:22.520 Doctor Detroit. You just compared Star Trek to Doctor Detroit. 1655 01:34:22.720 --> 01:34:26.079 Hey man, they compared themselves when they compared the potential 1656 01:34:26.119 --> 01:34:30.079 sequel as Wrath of Mom. Okay, let's talk the good 1657 01:34:30.079 --> 01:34:32.600 things about this movie. I think we've mentioned some of them. 1658 01:34:32.640 --> 01:34:35.239 First and foremost. It's Jerry Goldsmith's score. 1659 01:34:35.239 --> 01:34:36.119 It's music. 1660 01:34:36.840 --> 01:34:39.640 It's just amazing. I think the effects still stand up 1661 01:34:39.680 --> 01:34:42.239 for the most part. There's a lot of dodgy shit 1662 01:34:42.359 --> 01:34:45.920 once they get inside feature where there's a shot where 1663 01:34:45.960 --> 01:34:49.880 they're like like, go forward, and then the Enterprise just 1664 01:34:49.920 --> 01:34:52.359 sort of it looks like a cut and paste like 1665 01:34:52.640 --> 01:34:56.119 jpeg of it, like moving kind of up and to 1666 01:34:56.199 --> 01:34:57.840 the left. I'm like, what is that shit? 1667 01:34:58.479 --> 01:35:01.439 There's a lot of dodgyness. Whens goes to mind meld 1668 01:35:01.560 --> 01:35:05.039 with Vgre before he gets spat back out. The matt 1669 01:35:05.119 --> 01:35:09.680 lines around his hands, around his gloves is so thick 1670 01:35:10.119 --> 01:35:13.199 it almost looks like a deliberate artistic choice. But I 1671 01:35:13.279 --> 01:35:15.720 know that it's just how they had to do things 1672 01:35:15.720 --> 01:35:18.439 back then. We didn't talk much about the uniforms that 1673 01:35:18.560 --> 01:35:22.279 they changed. Ye, okay, we'll get to that. 1674 01:35:23.000 --> 01:35:24.159 What else is good? 1675 01:35:24.680 --> 01:35:27.119 What else is good? Well, you said you mentioned the effects. 1676 01:35:27.159 --> 01:35:30.520 I thought that Nimoy's performance as Spock was really good. 1677 01:35:30.880 --> 01:35:34.279 I think by and large, the cast does a pretty 1678 01:35:34.279 --> 01:35:39.119 good job of carrying through that Star Trek feel through 1679 01:35:39.159 --> 01:35:42.640 the acting. Here's the thing. Ultimately, before we even get 1680 01:35:42.640 --> 01:35:44.039 to the good and bad, let me just say this, 1681 01:35:44.680 --> 01:35:48.560 it's a long ass movie. But the bottom line is 1682 01:35:49.199 --> 01:35:53.279 this plot, if taken down to its essentials and pared 1683 01:35:53.319 --> 01:35:56.359 down to an hour long episode or what have you, 1684 01:35:57.319 --> 01:36:00.680 is very much It feels like a Star Trek episode. 1685 01:36:00.840 --> 01:36:03.239 That's probably the best thing I can say about it 1686 01:36:03.279 --> 01:36:06.000 is if you streamlined it, it would be right at 1687 01:36:06.000 --> 01:36:06.920 home in the sixties. 1688 01:36:07.279 --> 01:36:10.560 I completely agree with that this is a Star Trek episode. 1689 01:36:10.640 --> 01:36:12.880 The thing I admire I think the most about it 1690 01:36:12.960 --> 01:36:17.279 might be is that, like the original Star Trek, a 1691 01:36:17.359 --> 01:36:21.960 climax isn't dependent upon blowing something up or punching somebody 1692 01:36:22.000 --> 01:36:25.880 really hard. Star Trek was always the more cerebral and 1693 01:36:25.960 --> 01:36:29.479 a little more sci fi than the rest, and always 1694 01:36:29.520 --> 01:36:32.079 based more on thought. I know, Kirk betted a lot 1695 01:36:32.079 --> 01:36:34.840 of women and punched a lot of dudes, but he 1696 01:36:34.920 --> 01:36:39.359 also was a deep thinker and of like a brilliant strategist. 1697 01:36:40.000 --> 01:36:44.119 And I like that they came up with that solution here, 1698 01:36:44.359 --> 01:36:46.600 even though it's not their solution at all. It's just 1699 01:36:46.640 --> 01:36:50.039 Decker sacrificing himself and joining and becoming a new entity. 1700 01:36:50.479 --> 01:36:54.319 But even that's an interesting idea. That's interesting sci fi concept. 1701 01:36:54.359 --> 01:36:57.920 The idea of a voyager probe looking for its post 1702 01:36:58.039 --> 01:37:00.199 and not settling for anything less. 1703 01:37:00.680 --> 01:37:03.039 That part of it, that aspect of it, like I said, 1704 01:37:03.880 --> 01:37:07.000 really captivated me. And I still think it's a pretty 1705 01:37:07.039 --> 01:37:10.680 smart way of because we all knew Voyager and the 1706 01:37:10.760 --> 01:37:15.079 fact that it's just living out its programming to the 1707 01:37:15.119 --> 01:37:17.560 best of its ability, but on a large scale, because 1708 01:37:17.560 --> 01:37:19.760 now it's sentient. But at the end of the day, 1709 01:37:19.760 --> 01:37:22.399 it's just trying to get back to Earth, to offload 1710 01:37:22.439 --> 01:37:26.000 its data payload. I just think that's so smart. It's 1711 01:37:26.039 --> 01:37:29.239 not some creature that is trying to take over for 1712 01:37:29.359 --> 01:37:32.720 any reason other than that's what it's programmed to do. 1713 01:37:33.279 --> 01:37:36.279 It's a robot, a smart robot, as sentient robot, but 1714 01:37:36.319 --> 01:37:36.840 a robot. 1715 01:37:37.239 --> 01:37:41.920 Let's talk about the bad first and foremost. I'll go first, Sure, 1716 01:37:42.079 --> 01:37:44.479 go for it. This should have been ninety minutes. What 1717 01:37:44.520 --> 01:37:46.640 the fuck are they doing? Man, what the fuck are 1718 01:37:46.680 --> 01:37:50.279 they doing? It's more than two hours. It's insanity. As 1719 01:37:50.319 --> 01:37:53.039 I said, I would cut the overture. I would cut 1720 01:37:53.079 --> 01:37:56.000 half of this shit here like it just goes on 1721 01:37:56.119 --> 01:37:59.600 and on. I will accept the four minute fetish shots 1722 01:37:59.680 --> 01:38:02.960 of the Enterprise for the first time. We haven't seen 1723 01:38:03.000 --> 01:38:05.560 it in ten years. It's a major component of what 1724 01:38:05.600 --> 01:38:08.760 we love about Star Trek. Give it its due, that's fine, 1725 01:38:09.039 --> 01:38:13.640 But what they're just flying around a cloud? What the 1726 01:38:13.680 --> 01:38:14.600 hell is happening? 1727 01:38:15.000 --> 01:38:19.039 Well, let me allow me to quote from Wikipedia in 1728 01:38:19.119 --> 01:38:22.079 the reaction to this movie, I want to quote this. 1729 01:38:22.760 --> 01:38:25.279 The quote is this is from Wikipedia. The slow pacing, 1730 01:38:25.399 --> 01:38:29.399 extended reaction shots, and lack of action scenes led fans 1731 01:38:29.439 --> 01:38:32.399 and critics to give the film a variety of nicknames, 1732 01:38:32.439 --> 01:38:38.319 including the Slow Motion Picture, the motion Sickness, and where 1733 01:38:38.479 --> 01:38:42.319 Nomad which was the probe and the changeling has gone before. 1734 01:38:42.880 --> 01:38:47.439 So the fact that and those are all direct quotes 1735 01:38:48.119 --> 01:38:51.399 from the time, from reviews of the time, and it's 1736 01:38:51.399 --> 01:38:53.720 all you can look. It's all annotated in Wikipedia. 1737 01:38:53.760 --> 01:38:58.079 But I got one. Yeah, yeah, you want to hear one. Sure, 1738 01:38:58.600 --> 01:39:02.039 And television began rotten and Roddenberry begat Star Trek, and 1739 01:39:02.079 --> 01:39:05.560 Star Trek began Treky's, and Treky's begot clamor and clamor 1740 01:39:05.560 --> 01:39:08.920 begets Star Trek Animated Cartoon, and the cartoon began. More 1741 01:39:08.960 --> 01:39:11.800 clamor and more clamor begat Star Trek conventions. In Trek 1742 01:39:11.840 --> 01:39:14.840 conventions began even more clamor, and even more clamor began 1743 01:39:15.000 --> 01:39:17.640 The Myth, and the myth began Star Trek the Motion Picture, 1744 01:39:17.840 --> 01:39:21.279 and the Behemoth labored mightily and began a mouse fired 1745 01:39:21.319 --> 01:39:24.760 by a decade of devoted, dedicated, often fanatical Hue and Cry. 1746 01:39:25.079 --> 01:39:28.039 Paramount and producer Gene Roddenberry have given fans of the 1747 01:39:28.079 --> 01:39:31.560 long syndicated series precisely and exactly what they have been 1748 01:39:31.600 --> 01:39:36.439 asking for, and therein lies an awesome tragedy. Harlan Ellison, 1749 01:39:39.439 --> 01:39:39.960 It's true. 1750 01:39:40.399 --> 01:39:43.600 Look, the worst thing about this movie is the slowness. 1751 01:39:43.720 --> 01:39:46.119 I totally agree with you. You could and I think 1752 01:39:46.159 --> 01:39:49.880 you might have mentioned that somebody somewhere has tried to 1753 01:39:50.119 --> 01:39:54.239 create an edit that is a ninety minute movie as 1754 01:39:54.279 --> 01:39:58.119 opposed to a two hour plus movie. And as pretty as. 1755 01:39:58.079 --> 01:40:00.680 Some of the visuals are brilliant, It begins in flight, 1756 01:40:00.680 --> 01:40:03.680 they're already on the mission. They do get do away 1757 01:40:03.720 --> 01:40:07.520 with the fetish reveal of the enterprise. It starts they're 1758 01:40:07.600 --> 01:40:11.359 already on the way, Spock arrives, and then Spock tells 1759 01:40:11.359 --> 01:40:13.960 them what's up, and we get a flashback to Vulcan 1760 01:40:14.640 --> 01:40:16.000 and then the movie continues. 1761 01:40:16.079 --> 01:40:20.039 Yeah, wow, yeah that would work. That would work really well. 1762 01:40:20.520 --> 01:40:25.279 They for we've already talked about the confluence of events 1763 01:40:25.439 --> 01:40:28.800 behind the scenes that led them to release the picture 1764 01:40:28.840 --> 01:40:30.840 in the stated that it's in and how the effects 1765 01:40:30.840 --> 01:40:33.760 worked and whatever. But yeah, it's just too slow. It 1766 01:40:33.920 --> 01:40:36.159 just doesn't move as fast as it needs to. And 1767 01:40:36.199 --> 01:40:38.960 that's something that I think they took to heart, because 1768 01:40:38.960 --> 01:40:40.479 when you think about it, we're going to get to 1769 01:40:41.000 --> 01:40:45.119 Star Trek two. That movie fucking moves and it doesn't stop. 1770 01:40:45.640 --> 01:40:47.079 This is the exact opposite of. 1771 01:40:47.039 --> 01:40:50.520 That, this one starts awesome. You know what I would 1772 01:40:50.560 --> 01:40:54.159 contend Honestly, the first act of this movie is unassailable 1773 01:40:54.439 --> 01:40:58.479 up until they leave space Doc. It's great, and then 1774 01:40:58.520 --> 01:41:01.600 it slows to a crawl that it never recovers any 1775 01:41:01.640 --> 01:41:04.600 momentum for which is crazy because it's about a creature 1776 01:41:04.720 --> 01:41:07.680 hurtling towards Earth where we're all going to be doomed. 1777 01:41:08.079 --> 01:41:12.359 It's almost too cerebral because even yes, there's a lot 1778 01:41:12.399 --> 01:41:15.800 of reaction shots and effects shots, but there's an awful 1779 01:41:15.880 --> 01:41:18.960 lot of talking here too, a lot of debating about 1780 01:41:18.960 --> 01:41:21.640 the meaning of what's happening. And maybe that's fine, maybe, 1781 01:41:22.239 --> 01:41:26.159 but in the service of a more streamlined picture, I 1782 01:41:26.159 --> 01:41:28.880 think it would have been much more effective. It just 1783 01:41:28.960 --> 01:41:32.239 feels like it crawls and never gets out of the muck. 1784 01:41:32.520 --> 01:41:34.439 And if you're going to have the movie this long, 1785 01:41:34.600 --> 01:41:37.119 and you're going to introduce two characters that we've never 1786 01:41:37.199 --> 01:41:39.920 met before and make them central to the entire plot, 1787 01:41:40.159 --> 01:41:42.600 then how about some time for the rest of the crew? 1788 01:41:43.159 --> 01:41:45.000 Yeah? Yeah, are you usiting me? 1789 01:41:45.479 --> 01:41:50.560 They bring back Uhura and she's basically hailing frequencies open again. 1790 01:41:51.439 --> 01:41:54.960 Yeah, I know for a fact, Walter Kinnig hated. He 1791 01:41:55.039 --> 01:41:57.920 basically looked at his part as essentially a cameo. And 1792 01:41:57.960 --> 01:42:00.479 I can't blame him because he doesn't do much from 1793 01:42:00.760 --> 01:42:04.119 getting burned at his station and having Aileena calm him, 1794 01:42:04.159 --> 01:42:07.560 he doesn't really do anything. So I do think the 1795 01:42:07.600 --> 01:42:11.239 rest of the cast gets real short shrift here. That's 1796 01:42:11.399 --> 01:42:14.279 a shame because we see them in the next few 1797 01:42:14.359 --> 01:42:19.119 movies and they really they're so charming as an ensemble, 1798 01:42:19.159 --> 01:42:20.479 and you don't get none of that here. 1799 01:42:20.920 --> 01:42:24.680 It's unfortunate. But they don't really get the fact that 1800 01:42:24.720 --> 01:42:28.800 we love all of the characters until JJ Abrams because 1801 01:42:29.000 --> 01:42:33.319 people had swallowed this notion of the id ego super 1802 01:42:33.399 --> 01:42:38.239 ego triumvirate of Kirk and Bones and McCoy. And we 1803 01:42:38.279 --> 01:42:40.520 do love that, Yes, of course we do. But I 1804 01:42:40.520 --> 01:42:42.880 love Chekhov too. I love Sulu. I want to know 1805 01:42:42.920 --> 01:42:45.960 what he's up to. Remember Evil Sulu. Remember when when 1806 01:42:45.960 --> 01:42:47.720 he turned into a fencing master. 1807 01:42:47.600 --> 01:42:48.239 The fencing guy. 1808 01:42:48.319 --> 01:42:51.079 Yeah, oh man, oh man, give me more Sulu, everybody, 1809 01:42:51.199 --> 01:42:52.600 And he gets nothing here. 1810 01:42:53.000 --> 01:42:55.279 No, but they do make it up to him in 1811 01:42:55.600 --> 01:42:58.039 the subsequent movies. We'll get to that. But yeah, that 1812 01:42:58.720 --> 01:43:02.119 counts as big negative. Is that we don't are not 1813 01:43:02.239 --> 01:43:06.079 afforded the chance to appreciate the whole cast and see 1814 01:43:06.119 --> 01:43:08.880 them interact. That's a shame. That's a real shame here, 1815 01:43:08.880 --> 01:43:10.079 it's a missed opportunity. 1816 01:43:10.399 --> 01:43:13.720 We're flying around figure for five minutes and we can't 1817 01:43:13.760 --> 01:43:15.600 know what like Uhura has been up to for the 1818 01:43:15.640 --> 01:43:16.439 past five years. 1819 01:43:16.439 --> 01:43:19.159 Come on, yeah, these are all good actors. It's not 1820 01:43:19.239 --> 01:43:22.239 as if they're not. Like I said, they're charming and 1821 01:43:22.840 --> 01:43:26.439 thankfully with hindsight we can see how good they are 1822 01:43:26.680 --> 01:43:31.479 in subsequent movies. But here that that's a real Like 1823 01:43:31.520 --> 01:43:35.359 I said, it's a real shame turner. Of course, with 1824 01:43:35.479 --> 01:43:36.640 the Isaac Hayes. 1825 01:43:36.520 --> 01:43:38.800 He makes a healthy living, making living unhealthy. 1826 01:43:39.359 --> 01:43:41.600 Nicholas is in the Ted Lang had did quite a 1827 01:43:41.600 --> 01:43:45.920 few movies around that time, popped up in the credit. 1828 01:43:46.439 --> 01:43:49.319 My man, that's your deal, talking star Trek, get your tent. 1829 01:43:49.600 --> 01:43:52.159 I'm off my federation right now. 1830 01:43:53.680 --> 01:43:56.199 So let's another negative we already kind of mentioned this 1831 01:43:56.439 --> 01:44:01.560 is the costuming is real drab and real bad. It's 1832 01:44:01.600 --> 01:44:04.600 my understanding. Part of it was they were reluctant to 1833 01:44:04.920 --> 01:44:08.640 use deep blue uniforms because they were fearful that it 1834 01:44:08.640 --> 01:44:11.560 would get in the way of the mats that they used, like, 1835 01:44:11.680 --> 01:44:12.199 let me call. 1836 01:44:12.159 --> 01:44:15.960 Some horse blue screen. Here's what happened. Initially, they were 1837 01:44:15.960 --> 01:44:19.439 going to do updated versions of the original series, and 1838 01:44:19.920 --> 01:44:23.600 Robert Wise came on and said, oh, they used primary 1839 01:44:23.640 --> 01:44:26.439 colors on TV in the sixties because it popped and 1840 01:44:26.520 --> 01:44:28.239 it really caught your attention. But we don't want to 1841 01:44:28.239 --> 01:44:29.600 do that here. We want to make everything a little 1842 01:44:29.640 --> 01:44:32.119 more functional, which I can understand. And that's what they 1843 01:44:32.199 --> 01:44:34.880 ended up doing on Next Generation when everyone got a unitard, 1844 01:44:35.560 --> 01:44:37.399 and which is what they kind of give them here, 1845 01:44:37.439 --> 01:44:42.159 everyone's wearing pajamas. Okay, that's it. They're not great, but 1846 01:44:42.479 --> 01:44:46.199 they could have been saved because when we first meet Kirk, 1847 01:44:46.439 --> 01:44:48.840 he's wearing the same exact outfit, but he's wearing the 1848 01:44:48.960 --> 01:44:52.920 admiral version and it's two tones like white and gray 1849 01:44:53.199 --> 01:44:56.359 and with little eenpulets and stuff. It's awesome. It looks great. 1850 01:44:56.720 --> 01:44:58.800 And then the rest of them are just wearing pajamas 1851 01:44:58.800 --> 01:45:03.079 in all these earth tone pastels that are fucking horrible. 1852 01:45:03.479 --> 01:45:06.520 Yeah, very drap. Let me ask you a question kind 1853 01:45:06.520 --> 01:45:08.720 of related to kind of a side note, baam belone, 1854 01:45:09.079 --> 01:45:12.640 what era of Star Trek do you think had the 1855 01:45:12.680 --> 01:45:13.760 best uniforms. 1856 01:45:14.079 --> 01:45:16.520 It's coming. We're gonna talk about it next and the 1857 01:45:16.560 --> 01:45:17.399 next episode. 1858 01:45:17.760 --> 01:45:19.000 Okay, see, okay. 1859 01:45:19.800 --> 01:45:22.840 I loved what Nicholas Meyer brought to the Star Trek 1860 01:45:22.920 --> 01:45:27.000 universe would which was, hey, aren't they the Navy? And 1861 01:45:27.039 --> 01:45:30.680 then they the sort of admiralty look of the red, 1862 01:45:30.760 --> 01:45:35.359 the crimson red with the epaulets and the button up thing. Yeah, 1863 01:45:35.359 --> 01:45:37.000 and then you can pull that down and it's white 1864 01:45:37.039 --> 01:45:39.760 with a blood smear on it and stuff. Oh, those 1865 01:45:39.800 --> 01:45:40.720 are the uniforms for. 1866 01:45:40.720 --> 01:45:44.319 Me, man, those are the most practical. But for me, 1867 01:45:44.439 --> 01:45:48.399 my favorite will always be Next Generation. Once they got 1868 01:45:48.399 --> 01:45:52.760 away from the unitard and they started having sets, yeah. 1869 01:45:52.479 --> 01:45:54.600 But once a card got a jacket, you were like, 1870 01:45:54.720 --> 01:45:56.720 oh shit, oh that's even better. 1871 01:45:57.479 --> 01:45:59.600 That's even better, And that kind of led you into like, 1872 01:45:59.600 --> 01:46:02.720 like like cisco A Deep Space nine took that look 1873 01:46:03.039 --> 01:46:06.680 to its logical extreme and it became even more like layered. 1874 01:46:07.119 --> 01:46:10.039 I agree, but no, for me, it's that because I 1875 01:46:10.039 --> 01:46:12.399 think they had to get away from the unitards because 1876 01:46:12.880 --> 01:46:16.039 they were so uncomfortable for the actors to wear, and 1877 01:46:16.359 --> 01:46:19.840 they think they they were just not very fun to 1878 01:46:20.239 --> 01:46:23.159 have on. But once they went to separates, everything kind 1879 01:46:23.159 --> 01:46:25.239 of got better and they also had I didn't realize. 1880 01:46:25.600 --> 01:46:29.880 As another side note, next generation, they often had muscle 1881 01:46:30.640 --> 01:46:33.960 pads underneath their their costumes to make them look bigger 1882 01:46:33.960 --> 01:46:35.920 and more muscular. Do you know that? 1883 01:46:36.159 --> 01:46:39.640 I did not know that. That's the thing is the 1884 01:46:39.720 --> 01:46:43.800 unitard as an idea is a workable idea if you 1885 01:46:43.840 --> 01:46:47.000 were working with fabrics from the twenty third century. But 1886 01:46:47.319 --> 01:46:52.079 instead it's like nylon and you're like up somebody's crotch 1887 01:46:52.359 --> 01:46:55.560 every time they sit down. What an idiotic notion. How 1888 01:46:55.600 --> 01:46:58.880 they didn't start with separates is beyond me. Those first 1889 01:46:58.920 --> 01:47:01.319 two seasons is like seasons where they were in the unit. 1890 01:47:01.439 --> 01:47:04.600 Yeah, if they had to learn what worked better. 1891 01:47:04.439 --> 01:47:06.560 Practiced rough Man. 1892 01:47:06.840 --> 01:47:08.079 Anyway, don't mean to sidetrack. 1893 01:47:08.199 --> 01:47:10.920 I just was Genuo sidetracking and star trek. This is 1894 01:47:10.960 --> 01:47:12.560 a wide ranging topic. 1895 01:47:13.279 --> 01:47:16.359 Sure, so all right, So the costumes are bad, the 1896 01:47:16.439 --> 01:47:19.920 length is bad, The lack of crew members is bad. 1897 01:47:20.319 --> 01:47:21.520 Lack of crew members is bad. 1898 01:47:21.840 --> 01:47:24.119 Depending of an antagonist is bad. 1899 01:47:24.840 --> 01:47:27.720 True, And I guess in hindsight, you need. 1900 01:47:27.680 --> 01:47:31.520 To meet about halfway through, and they've been panicking about 1901 01:47:31.560 --> 01:47:34.640 what vegure like, I get the fucking dramatic reveal. The 1902 01:47:34.720 --> 01:47:37.800 dramatic reveal would have been just as dramatic halfway through. 1903 01:47:38.319 --> 01:47:40.439 But that's but that goes hand in hand with the 1904 01:47:40.520 --> 01:47:44.399 excessive length, because we go through all of this endless 1905 01:47:45.279 --> 01:47:49.960 reaction shots, endless shots of them walk flying through the cloud. 1906 01:47:50.359 --> 01:47:52.960 All of that should have not been there. It should 1907 01:47:52.960 --> 01:47:56.880 have been much more efficient. Like like you're this ninety 1908 01:47:56.920 --> 01:47:58.680 minute cut that you talked about, I think that would 1909 01:47:58.720 --> 01:48:00.479 have been I don't know. I'd love to see it 1910 01:48:00.520 --> 01:48:04.560 and see how different the experiences I would imagine, because 1911 01:48:04.560 --> 01:48:05.600 it's obviously. 1912 01:48:05.199 --> 01:48:08.119 Not official at oh, that doesn't have it anymore. 1913 01:48:08.159 --> 01:48:12.279 So so all right, so not perfect, But as an 1914 01:48:12.359 --> 01:48:16.039 opening salvo for the Star Trek movies, do you think 1915 01:48:16.159 --> 01:48:18.199 this was a success or a failure? 1916 01:48:18.800 --> 01:48:23.159 You know what, as the last episode of the television 1917 01:48:23.279 --> 01:48:29.840 series Star Trek as a transition to feature films. I 1918 01:48:29.880 --> 01:48:31.520 think it's a pretty good movie. 1919 01:48:31.600 --> 01:48:33.960 But you kind of had to. There was no there's 1920 01:48:33.960 --> 01:48:38.119 no getting to like con if you don't at least 1921 01:48:38.239 --> 01:48:41.199 try to plant a flag and say, okay, we're going 1922 01:48:41.279 --> 01:48:44.159 to commit to the cinematic version of Star Trek. 1923 01:48:44.399 --> 01:48:47.960 Here's the thing. You weren't going to get good Star 1924 01:48:48.000 --> 01:48:50.600 Trek until they shook off. I'm sorry to say this 1925 01:48:50.680 --> 01:48:54.000 everybody until they shook off Gene Roddenberry, and they shake 1926 01:48:54.079 --> 01:48:57.119 him off here. He's such a pain in the ass 1927 01:48:57.199 --> 01:49:00.479 during the production of this movie and continue used to 1928 01:49:00.479 --> 01:49:05.239 be in the future that they paramount basically severs ties 1929 01:49:05.319 --> 01:49:09.199 with him over this movie. He's still the executive or 1930 01:49:09.279 --> 01:49:13.279 creative consultant and executive producer and created by Gene roden 1931 01:49:13.279 --> 01:49:17.000 berrying whatever, But from here on out his involvement is 1932 01:49:17.039 --> 01:49:19.640 as about as much as Rod Serling's involvement in the second 1933 01:49:19.680 --> 01:49:20.720 season of Night Gallery. 1934 01:49:20.760 --> 01:49:24.720 Hey, midnight viewers, this is no disrespect. I mean, there 1935 01:49:24.720 --> 01:49:27.880 would be no Star Trek if it wasn't for Roddenberry. 1936 01:49:27.960 --> 01:49:33.560 No one is saying that he wasn't instrumental into integral 1937 01:49:33.760 --> 01:49:37.680 to Star Trek becoming anything at all. There wouldn't be 1938 01:49:37.720 --> 01:49:40.439 one without him. But having said that, I agree with 1939 01:49:40.479 --> 01:49:43.520 you there because and we'll talk about this, but Star 1940 01:49:43.600 --> 01:49:48.680 Trek two everything changes it to your point. It shakes 1941 01:49:48.720 --> 01:49:53.119 off the baggage of the wagon train to the Stars 1942 01:49:53.640 --> 01:49:58.039 that we had with the original series into the motion 1943 01:49:58.199 --> 01:50:00.960 picture and it made all the diference in the world. 1944 01:50:01.359 --> 01:50:04.600 And it does what this movie doesn't, which is this 1945 01:50:04.720 --> 01:50:07.439 pays lip service to the idea that we're picking up 1946 01:50:07.479 --> 01:50:11.079 these people's lives later on, it isn't. It's like you're 1947 01:50:11.119 --> 01:50:13.479 an admiral, okay, but you're really still the captain and 1948 01:50:13.520 --> 01:50:15.960 here's your ship and we're off on adventures again. In 1949 01:50:16.039 --> 01:50:21.439 the next one, Nicholas Meyer like confronts head on the 1950 01:50:21.439 --> 01:50:23.960 fact that these characters are older and moving on. He 1951 01:50:24.039 --> 01:50:26.279 makes it actually central anyway, we're going to get there. 1952 01:50:26.640 --> 01:50:28.920 We'll get to there. But anyway, I agree with you 1953 01:50:28.960 --> 01:50:32.560 that we had this was a necessary step to get 1954 01:50:32.640 --> 01:50:35.760 us to a place where it became its own thing. 1955 01:50:35.840 --> 01:50:39.199 The cinematic version of Star Trek. We had to get. 1956 01:50:39.359 --> 01:50:41.800 We had to start somewhere to get there. So in 1957 01:50:41.800 --> 01:50:43.880 my mind, this is a success. Like I said, this 1958 01:50:44.000 --> 01:50:47.319 is still this still stacks up against the original series, 1959 01:50:47.920 --> 01:50:50.760 but it had a way to go before it became 1960 01:50:50.880 --> 01:50:54.479 its own cinematic experience. So there you go. 1961 01:50:55.279 --> 01:50:58.560 The last thing I'll say is Jerry Goldsmith brought in 1962 01:50:58.760 --> 01:51:02.359 Alexander courage. Do the portions of the score that were 1963 01:51:02.920 --> 01:51:07.479 echoes of his original Star Trek score, which there are many, sure, but. 1964 01:51:07.520 --> 01:51:10.319 It's it all works. I mean, if there's one again, 1965 01:51:10.359 --> 01:51:12.279 if there's one thing we point to that is an 1966 01:51:12.319 --> 01:51:16.439 unqualified success with this movie. It is the music and 1967 01:51:16.600 --> 01:51:18.720 I can't say enough good things about it. 1968 01:51:18.840 --> 01:51:22.680 So and they're gonna they're gonna kick Jerry Goldsmith loose 1969 01:51:22.760 --> 01:51:23.680 for the next one. 1970 01:51:24.439 --> 01:51:26.159 And it is a doozy. You can't wait to get 1971 01:51:26.199 --> 01:51:26.439 to that. 1972 01:51:27.119 --> 01:51:28.720 Oh until then, where can people find you? 1973 01:51:28.840 --> 01:51:29.000 HP? 1974 01:51:29.159 --> 01:51:31.000 I don't know when this is coming out or where 1975 01:51:31.119 --> 01:51:33.439 whatever it's coming out eventually, so. 1976 01:51:33.600 --> 01:51:36.359 It's gonna come out. Keep it in reserve. I co 1977 01:51:36.439 --> 01:51:41.239 host the Night Mister Walters Taxi podcast alongside midnight viewings 1978 01:51:41.279 --> 01:51:44.159 follow below. Hey, he happens to be right here. That's me, 1979 01:51:45.079 --> 01:51:48.479 that's him, and I host the Noise Junkies music podcast. 1980 01:51:48.520 --> 01:51:51.640 And last but not least, I have a band campsite 1981 01:51:51.800 --> 01:51:54.720 hpmusicplace dot bandcamp dot com. 1982 01:51:55.199 --> 01:51:57.840 Go there, listen to his music. It's really fucking good. 1983 01:51:57.920 --> 01:51:59.880 What's wrong with you? He does all of our music. 1984 01:52:00.159 --> 01:52:02.359 That star Trek's score you heard at the beginning, that 1985 01:52:02.880 --> 01:52:07.159 religious experience. That's HP. Now as for me, you're listening 1986 01:52:07.199 --> 01:52:11.319 here midnight viewers, patrons, Hello, patrons, you're hearing this months 1987 01:52:11.319 --> 01:52:14.880 in advance. Thank you all for your patronage. And if 1988 01:52:14.880 --> 01:52:17.920 you don't patronage, then give us a like and a 1989 01:52:17.960 --> 01:52:21.600 subscribe and a positive review. It helps with the algorithms 1990 01:52:21.640 --> 01:52:26.359 and confronts Vegre on his own terms. Until next time 1991 01:52:26.840 --> 01:52:29.359 here on Star trek Fest, you cann't chase a. 1992 01:52:29.319 --> 01:52:35.119 Lots of physics, loss of physics. We can shoop to 1993 01:52:35.199 --> 01:52:37.159 kill Shoop, to kill Shoop, to kill we come it, 1994 01:52:37.239 --> 01:52:39.159 beat Shoop, kill Scott up. 1995 01:52:39.279 --> 01:52:40.039 It's worse than that. 1996 01:52:40.159 --> 01:52:44.680 He can't Jim, catch Jim. It's worse Catchim cat You well, 1997 01:52:44.760 --> 01:52:46.279 it's life gym, but not as we know it, not 1998 01:52:46.359 --> 01:52:47.439 as we know it, not as we know it. 1999 01:52:47.439 --> 01:52:48.239 It's life gym, but. 2000 01:52:48.199 --> 01:52:49.479 Not as we know it, not as we know it. 2001 01:52:49.560 --> 01:52:56.159 Can't us christy 2002 01:53:00.880 --> 01:53:02.880 At whatever is st