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<v Speaker 1>Hello everybody, and welcome to another episode of Hard Truth Podcast. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>my guest is Professor Simon Holland. He is a science filmmaker.

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<v Speaker 1>We are going to talk about SETI, aliens, drones and orbs.

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<v Speaker 1>Get ready, I'm ready, Simon. Welcome to the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Ashton. It's really nice to have to be back, and

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<v Speaker 2>I follow you with great interest. Thanks for having me on.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of things going on. What isn't in

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<v Speaker 2>our sky right now, whether it's orbs or drones or

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<v Speaker 2>we're being attacked by bad actors, who knows, it's certainly

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<v Speaker 2>a serious situation.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's what I want to talk to you about

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<v Speaker 1>right off the bat. So if people have been living

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<v Speaker 1>under a rock, there's been some kind of grown invasion

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<v Speaker 1>on the East coast in New Jersey for like the

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<v Speaker 1>last month, and everybody's wondering what it is. So let

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<v Speaker 1>me ask you, what do you think's going on? What

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<v Speaker 1>have you seen?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? I live in Europe and the drone invasion and

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<v Speaker 2>is here too, which is kind of interesting folks. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>long before it was in New Jersey, it was over

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<v Speaker 2>specific NATO Minister of Defense RIF bases here in Eastern

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<v Speaker 2>in eastern England, not here, I live in France, but

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<v Speaker 2>that was deeply worrying because the bases had no idea

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<v Speaker 2>how to react. They sent F fifteen's, which aren't exactly

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<v Speaker 2>even the most modern plane, because that's what they had

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<v Speaker 2>to counter these unknown threats, which probably were drones. And

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<v Speaker 2>I had a long chat with ExM od Nick Pope,

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<v Speaker 2>who's well known, and we both came to the conclusion

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<v Speaker 2>that it was probably Briton's worst encounter with things coming

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<v Speaker 2>into a British airspace, you know, since you know, since

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<v Speaker 2>the Cold War, you know, when.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, why wouldn't they shoot these things down? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that why you assume that it must be us?

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<v Speaker 1>It seems so weird that these things will be over

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<v Speaker 1>a military basis. And I've heard this a lot, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>how what's your explanation for that?

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<v Speaker 2>I I was that would be my first reaction, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean literally, you know, a shotgun or even they've

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<v Speaker 2>been using birds of prey can take down a drone.

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<v Speaker 2>What Nick Pope said, and I think I agree with

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<v Speaker 2>Nick on this very much, is they were the drones

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever they are, are an unconventional threat and the

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<v Speaker 2>military tend to live in the past, so they countered

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<v Speaker 2>a DGI hobby drone or something bigger, we don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>with an f f N fifteen, it's an inappropriate reaction.

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<v Speaker 2>They needed denial of flight EMP devices, which they have,

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<v Speaker 2>but supposedly they didn't have them on the perimeter of

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<v Speaker 2>the bases that had this encounter, and they were fighting

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<v Speaker 2>yesterday's war. And I think that is an enormous clue

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<v Speaker 2>for the British airspace violation and I'm quite mad about

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<v Speaker 2>it because not only were these drones seen over native bases,

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<v Speaker 2>they were also seen over British mod bases. But really weirdly,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think a big clue in nastily, they were

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<v Speaker 2>seen over the marriage quarters of the RIF flight crew,

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<v Speaker 2>in a base that used to be an airport which

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<v Speaker 2>was now housing for their wives and children, and the

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<v Speaker 2>same kind of drones were seen over there, and I

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<v Speaker 2>really think there was a big message being sent. I

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<v Speaker 2>think the timing was more than a coincidence that the

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<v Speaker 2>United Kingdom had just allowed storm Shadow cruise missiles into

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<v Speaker 2>the Ukraine, which have the capability of going into Russia.

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<v Speaker 2>Although this is not very well known, I happen to

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<v Speaker 2>know this. The storm Shadow cruise missiles were restricted in

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<v Speaker 2>their use by the Ukrainians to only go into the

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<v Speaker 2>Ukrainian national borders, but of course that includes areas of

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<v Speaker 2>the Ukraine that have been occupied, so it still could

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<v Speaker 2>be seen by Russia as they are being flown into

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<v Speaker 2>Russian controlled you know, land territory. But the drone incursions

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<v Speaker 2>in the UK, I think we're a sign to Britain

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<v Speaker 2>to you know, we have unconventional weapons, you are vulnerable,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's how I sought. But then who is doing it? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and how is that pulled off? Because they certainly didn't

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<v Speaker 2>fly nearly three thousand, you know, from Moscow to Lake

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<v Speaker 2>and Heath. They were smallesh drones. In this case, I

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<v Speaker 2>think the New Jersey ones, we will discuss what they

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<v Speaker 2>what they might be. But in the British case, they

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<v Speaker 2>were definitely drones. People saw them, there's photographs of them.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they're quad copter small astrah.

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<v Speaker 1>So they were quad copter. I was gonna ask about

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<v Speaker 1>the morphology of what these things.

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<v Speaker 2>No, the British ones were definitely, I mean there were

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<v Speaker 2>some and we should go on to this about a

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<v Speaker 2>slightly uh not very informed opinion that people who didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know what they were with kind of slightly out of focused,

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<v Speaker 2>fuzzy camera phones filming single point light sources in the

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<v Speaker 2>sky and not understanding. But there's definite footage. In the

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<v Speaker 2>British case, they are not particularly big. They were card

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<v Speaker 2>cop to drones. Now, viewers out there, you're all shouting, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but there were weird stuff. Well, there might have been

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<v Speaker 2>weird stuff, but I think in the British case, not

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily in the American case, but in the British case,

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<v Speaker 2>they seemed to be quite off the shelf, droney things.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of the things again that Nick Pope and

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<v Speaker 2>I discussed we're old enough to remember they used to

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<v Speaker 2>be a phrase useful idiots, and that in the Cold War,

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<v Speaker 2>people who align themselves say with Marxism today, which was

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<v Speaker 2>a newspaper in an organization in Britain, or CND Civil

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<v Speaker 2>Nuclear Defense or specific nationalists say from Scotland, my home country,

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<v Speaker 2>would often hand over what they thought was not secrets.

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<v Speaker 2>They would hand over information like the movements of US

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<v Speaker 2>submarines at Holy Loch to Marxism today or CND headquarters.

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<v Speaker 2>But in fact, sadly they were compromised and getting funded

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<v Speaker 2>by Russia, and they were in fact handing over you know,

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<v Speaker 2>useful material to Roscoe, and Moscow gave them in Russian.

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<v Speaker 2>Excuse my lack of Russian. They called them in Russian

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<v Speaker 2>useful idiots. And it's quite possible that that that the

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<v Speaker 2>same idea of using people for cash, Go fly your

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<v Speaker 2>drone at Lake and Eth, I'll give you a thousand pounds,

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<v Speaker 2>or coercion a Eastern European immigrant into the UK. We

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<v Speaker 2>know who your mum is kind of thing. Go fly

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<v Speaker 2>drone over Lake and Ties was a much better explanation

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<v Speaker 2>than them flying all over you know, Germany and the

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<v Speaker 2>North Sea and ending up in eastern England, which wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be practical.

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<v Speaker 1>So you think that the European drone encourageon is political

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<v Speaker 1>in nature that I think the.

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<v Speaker 2>Timing was was very very evident evidence of that. It

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<v Speaker 2>was following the storm Shadow announcement by British MD. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think also the drone idea, the concept of drones

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<v Speaker 2>as unconventional warfare was a kind of as I said

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<v Speaker 2>my film, it was putting the Willie up Britain because

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I think that it was unconventional and whoever

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<v Speaker 2>did it, whoever it might be, I can't actually say,

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<v Speaker 2>but whoever did it, and it was probably humans were

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<v Speaker 2>sending a message. I mean the drones were only there

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<v Speaker 2>at night. I mean, you know et would be there

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<v Speaker 2>during the day. I mean it's only at night. They

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<v Speaker 2>were illuminated some of them. Somebody I know who's got

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<v Speaker 2>angry astronaut went out there. He drove up. He's American,

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<v Speaker 2>but he was living in London and he drove up

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<v Speaker 2>to Lake and Heath and he saw one go over

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<v Speaker 2>his head and he said, it has almost had a

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<v Speaker 2>more led hanging underneath it. Now, the reason they wanted

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<v Speaker 2>it to be seen was because it was sending a message.

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<v Speaker 2>These are definitely trying to get the point across that

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<v Speaker 2>they're flying around perimeter fences to make a point. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think it's related to the American things,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think there's something more going on in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States which we should discuss.

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<v Speaker 1>And you mentioned the use of drone warfare, which I

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<v Speaker 1>think Elon must mentioned recently and it terrifies me, especially

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<v Speaker 1>if you include ai On to it. Have you seen

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<v Speaker 1>the videos out of the Ukraine where you're like suicide

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<v Speaker 1>drones flying into people and blowing them up, and things

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<v Speaker 1>like that. That's alarming to me, and it makes me wonder.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know about that particular incident, but at least

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<v Speaker 1>with the one going on in the United States right now,

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<v Speaker 1>Like how can you leave these up? Like these things

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<v Speaker 1>could have bombs on them, warheads on them, They could

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<v Speaker 1>fly into people and blow them up. I mean that

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<v Speaker 1>would the message.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, I mean what they did in Britain was

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<v Speaker 2>just fly around the damn perimeter fen and you know

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<v Speaker 2>the reaction was send up the F fifteen. Well that's rubbish.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean an F fifteen's minimum air speces, as you

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<v Speaker 2>would know, is like maybe one hundred knots, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and the drones like twenty feet above the ground going

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<v Speaker 2>at ten miles an hour. Yeah, de fence, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>with a bomb. And yeah no, I did a film

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<v Speaker 2>and I just did, like you, I researched some Ukrainian

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<v Speaker 2>drone footation. I had to be really careful, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>to choose what I actually could show, because yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 2>they Ukraine are very successful and Russia are also using

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<v Speaker 2>them in the Ukrainian conflict very successfully. I mean you

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<v Speaker 2>can literally with a three D printer make your own

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<v Speaker 2>drone and drop something nasty onto your enemy and that

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<v Speaker 2>could happen.

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<v Speaker 1>So what do you think's going on in the United

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<v Speaker 1>States version? What have you seen? Have you seen anything

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<v Speaker 1>that's compelling to you from a video presided for me

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<v Speaker 1>just throwing it out there. Most of what I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>looks like airplanes or or misidentified objects. I've will seen

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of videos that seem to show some magnification

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<v Speaker 1>of something that maybe might have some kind of feel

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<v Speaker 1>life from my fuel around it, but it could also

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<v Speaker 1>just be a blurry like out of focused star.

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<v Speaker 2>What is your thoughts? I definitely agree, Ashton, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that I haven't seen any definite evidence. Somebody pointed me

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<v Speaker 2>very pointedly, you know, today, to look at at a

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<v Speaker 2>certified pilot's sighting in Oregon with their air traffic control

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<v Speaker 2>interaction where he saw a red light and other pilots

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<v Speaker 2>saw this as well in the sky. I think probably

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<v Speaker 2>quite near Portland, but I'm not sure. And then he

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<v Speaker 2>shot some cockpit footage and I'm sorry to say it

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<v Speaker 2>was it was an out of focus ORB and it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't an ORB, it was just something out of focus,

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<v Speaker 2>So I couldn't say exactly what it is. But here's

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I think we're missing the point. I

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<v Speaker 2>think what the drones represent in the United States is

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<v Speaker 2>something much more important. F what the drones are. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that is not the important thing. The important thing

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<v Speaker 2>is that these drones are unknown, and nobody in the

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<v Speaker 2>American government are reacting to it very sensibly, and the

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<v Speaker 2>public reaction to that is fear. And I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>as actually it is an attack, but I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>psychological warfare to an extent. It doesn't matter what these

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<v Speaker 2>objects are. Some will be quad copters being tested, which

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<v Speaker 2>is some will be copycat home DGI drones. Some might

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<v Speaker 2>be unknown, but I doubt it somehow, and a lot

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<v Speaker 2>will be just a lot of drone sightings. Somebody said

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<v Speaker 2>to me, somebody sees the drone over there, and then

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<v Speaker 2>somebody sees the same drone and films it from over there.

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<v Speaker 2>Suddenly you've got two drones. Well you haven't, necessarily they were,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you've got a perspective on the same light

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<v Speaker 2>in the sky. But we are under attack, or the

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<v Speaker 2>United States is currently and Britain as well is currently

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<v Speaker 2>under attacked. This is psychological. This is having a very

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<v Speaker 2>very strong effect. People are frightened, people are worried people

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<v Speaker 2>are concerned why their government, specifically in Britain as well,

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<v Speaker 2>but very much in the United States. Aren't the FBI

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<v Speaker 2>go on TV and go, I don't know what it is. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a pathetic answer. You know, we have this problem

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<v Speaker 2>and you live in the very state which is the

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<v Speaker 2>seeing a disconnect between agencies. You know, where is Homeland

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<v Speaker 2>Security that was set up post nine to eleven to

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<v Speaker 2>Look at New York's track on. You know, they have

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<v Speaker 2>and I think whoever's doing it, if it is organized,

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't believe for a second that they don't

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<v Speaker 1>know exactly what these things are. Now. I do know

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<v Speaker 1>the government is inefficient and that these organizations may not

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<v Speaker 1>community to one another. I don't really think that the

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<v Speaker 1>at the NRO, the NSA, the NNGA, these people that

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<v Speaker 1>have that they know what's going on. The question then

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<v Speaker 1>the public. And to your point, it does seem kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like a psychological operation where you know, people are

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<v Speaker 1>freaking out. There's mass hysteria going on right now in

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<v Speaker 1>to say it's mass formation psychosis once again, where people

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<v Speaker 1>out that a great point, and maybe it doesn't even

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<v Speaker 1>matter what they are, you know, is that there's something

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<v Speaker 1>at night and they're filming stuff and they're seeing a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of normal stuff and they're misattributed it just we

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<v Speaker 1>get this cycle where it just gets crazier and crazier.

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<v Speaker 1>And now you've got major influencers that never talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the UFO topic and what have you all in on it?

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<v Speaker 2>So do you think you absolutely nailed there? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's exactly how as an outsider not living in the US,

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<v Speaker 2>as I'm seeing it, the effect of whatever the f

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<v Speaker 2>these are is tremendous. It actually is an attack. Is

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<v Speaker 2>it internal, is it external? Is it just hysterical reaction?

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<v Speaker 2>But it's it's definitely causing a lot of chaos and

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<v Speaker 2>people need it needs to be sorted out pretty damn quick.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think it could be related to the recent

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<v Speaker 1>United States election with Donald Trump switching over? Any thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>on that?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure? I I it seems like a possibility. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if you're going to cause real disruption before

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<v Speaker 2>the democratic takeover by Donald Trump because he was elected,

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<v Speaker 2>you could easily cause an awful lot of disarray to

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<v Speaker 2>an incumbent, you know, a person who's about to take

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<v Speaker 2>that office by having a hell of a hell of

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<v Speaker 2>a flap in your country, which you could then you know,

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<v Speaker 2>fix by methods which might be quite draconian. And yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I think, I mean, if I had to

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<v Speaker 2>put money on it, I think that's actually more likely

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<v Speaker 2>than it's the Ruskies or the Chinese or the Uranian Mothership.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they're all quite hysterical. But that's part of

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<v Speaker 2>the hysteria. And the other thing I'd like to say,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is very controversial viewers. Is I think

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<v Speaker 2>we're actually seeing us, the so called UFO community, if

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<v Speaker 2>that's what we are. I don't know, being slightly used

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<v Speaker 2>in this because I don't think we or our community

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<v Speaker 2>of people who are invested or are interested in the

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<v Speaker 2>abnormal paranormal, are reacting very well. I think we are

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<v Speaker 2>actually being a bit hysterical, and I think that's part

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<v Speaker 2>of it. Maybe this is a plot. You know, non

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<v Speaker 2>critical thinkers who want to believe one thing or another,

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<v Speaker 2>who are very set in their ways, manipulate the buckers,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is where I would throw some criticism and

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<v Speaker 1>shade on the UFO community, where buying into the massive stereia.

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<v Speaker 1>Here is how you get yourself discredited as well, because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I think everybody's really desperate for alien disclosure

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<v Speaker 1>UFO disclosure in general, and if it turns out to

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<v Speaker 1>be a mockery, then this is why people don't take

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<v Speaker 1>you seriou, especially if you're just filming like airplanes in

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<v Speaker 1>the sky and saying that, oh, the UFOs are morphing

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<v Speaker 1>into airplanes because you know, like that kind of stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, people, I mean, it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Just it's just full of that. I mean, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>message a message. They're copying us, They're you know, is

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<v Speaker 2>telling me there are time travelers. You know, they're meta

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<v Speaker 2>materials of you know, your igala's telling me all this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you're probably reading the same emails and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm going now still, I mean, let's be slightly

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<v Speaker 2>more objective about this. And at the same time, we've

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<v Speaker 2>got this hysteria going on, we've got a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>frightened people, and we've got a government that's doing f all.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, get it together, people, Unless it's intentional, do

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<v Speaker 2>you think.

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<v Speaker 1>So we were kind of but tap dancing around thing,

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<v Speaker 1>which is do you think this is Project Bluebeam, which

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<v Speaker 1>is the fake alien invasion or whatever like, because now

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<v Speaker 1>I'm starting to wonder this thing's been going on for

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<v Speaker 1>so long, and it's so disruptive to all the points

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<v Speaker 1>that you made in the last fifteen minutes. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>this seems like it's just to freak people out. It

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter what they are. And the only explanation I

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<v Speaker 1>can come up with who's responsible is my own government,

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<v Speaker 1>something related to America, because if there was anything else,

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<v Speaker 1>we'd be knocking it out of the sky'd be too dangerous.

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<v Speaker 1>So I sit there and I think, yeah, maybe this

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<v Speaker 1>is a Project Bluebeam, but they just can't even pull

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<v Speaker 1>it off. I don't know, what are your thoughts.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a very did you know about me? Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump and Project Bluebeam story? Oh god, now's the time

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<v Speaker 2>I know.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I don't know tells the story.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So, when I was seriously misquoted about imminent alien contact,

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<v Speaker 2>it was seen by a lobby group part of no

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<v Speaker 2>doubt that Donald Trump organization that I, as a European,

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<v Speaker 2>non American, non voting person, was possibly invoking and alien

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<v Speaker 2>were coming as this as this whatever it's called Blue something. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it was completely rubbish.

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<v Speaker 1>Like he doesn't know what Bluebean is. Everybody, Professor Simon

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<v Speaker 1>is the one who's pushing the project blue.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's sorry. I don't even know

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<v Speaker 2>because it's completely rubbish. But it didn't come. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>somebody spread that as a rumor, and I've got an

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<v Speaker 2>awful lot of comments saying, you know that I was

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<v Speaker 2>pro Kamela. I don't even know who she is.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm British, I live in French and and and I

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<v Speaker 3>was dissing Donald because I was I was evoking the

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the story went.

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<v Speaker 2>When somebody explained it to me, I asked a friend

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<v Speaker 2>in America and who who agreed that I was being

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<v Speaker 2>dissed by people in that camp. And they were saying, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the old Verner von Braun deathbed message where alien

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<v Speaker 2>invasion will be used as a political influence just before

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<v Speaker 2>a large political event. And I was going, it's me.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like, it wasn't actually me, but I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>so yeah, now I was. And then I read it

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<v Speaker 2>in newspapers and things, so it's like, oh, oh, so

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<v Speaker 2>but is this one really? Is this? Are the drones

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<v Speaker 2>really Bluebeam? I don't know, but Yeah, Ashton, would knowledge

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<v Speaker 2>of we're not alone in the universe or definite confirmation

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<v Speaker 2>of highly strange UAP or ET presence actually have that effect?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a great question, Simon. I don't think that

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<v Speaker 1>it would anymore. I don't think it works on me.

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<v Speaker 1>I personally don't care about aliens. I think alien can

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<v Speaker 1>come knock on my door and you know, it wouldn't matter.

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<v Speaker 1>I would still be going to work tomorrow. You're like, hey, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>I like out there summer. It's a big universe. So

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<v Speaker 1>I've never thought we're just alone in the universe. But

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that a lot of people too now

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<v Speaker 1>have just become so disaffected with everything going on, where

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<v Speaker 1>it's like you see the meme out there where it's like, Hi,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm an alien. It's like, aren't you freaked out? And like, nah,

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<v Speaker 1>I got a lot of stuff going on right now.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. It's like, and this is where I think

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<v Speaker 1>the UFO Commune is kind of fallen behind, where it's

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<v Speaker 1>like in the nineties with the X piles and everything,

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<v Speaker 2>But now I.

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<v Speaker 1>Feel like it's not even that big a thing. It's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like a speed bump. And so that's why

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<v Speaker 1>Project blue Beam, and maybe it was like it would

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<v Speaker 1>just we've outgrown that and it's not going to have

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<v Speaker 1>the same psychological impact anymore. But let me ask you

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<v Speaker 1>about the SETI thing, because you brought that up. I

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<v Speaker 1>was following that you were making a lot of waves.

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<v Speaker 1>You were in a lot of the newspaper articles about that,

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<v Speaker 1>So what is the background store four? He's not made

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<v Speaker 1>aware of that because we spoke I think right before

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<v Speaker 1>a few months before that went down, and we were

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<v Speaker 1>talking about fast and like communication things like that, and

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<v Speaker 1>I saw that. I was like, oh wow, Professor Simon's

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<v Speaker 1>like going viral now because they're saying that you were

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<v Speaker 1>like this expert and they always kind of like, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I got cold all kinds of things. Yeah, yeah, filmmaker, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So set the record straight, NASA filmmaker. I remember saying

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<v Speaker 1>that set the record straight for us on that, like

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<v Speaker 1>how what kind of information came to you? How credible

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<v Speaker 1>did you deem it?

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, there's way thank you yeah, Hi, everybody, let's

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<v Speaker 2>set the record straight like that. That's great. No, everything

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<v Speaker 2>that I said was actually true, and I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>very interesting the reaction against it. And I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>the story that people didn't understand. You know, so many

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<v Speaker 2>people today are saying, you said to be here next

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<v Speaker 2>week and it's been a month, and they're still going, No,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the real story. So just give my speel of

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<v Speaker 2>how this whole thing came about. So Drake and Sagan

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<v Speaker 2>set up SETTI, and they decided that they didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>radio spectrum of the visible universe the listenable universe. So

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<v Speaker 2>they just thought that when you turn on a radio telescope,

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<v Speaker 2>which I've done many times, you hear hydrogen buzz. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a big buzz which you then filter out to listen

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<v Speaker 2>to the quiet things that you're trying to find in

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<v Speaker 2>the universe. So Drake and Sagan said, as we can't

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<v Speaker 2>listen to everything, we assume that aliens will communicate and

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<v Speaker 2>say hello on the hydrogen waveband because they would know

420
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<v Speaker 2>that we could hear it. It was a terrible waste

421
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<v Speaker 2>of time, you know, from nineteen sixties right up into

422
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<v Speaker 2>the nineties. The only money that they had Causetti is

423
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<v Speaker 2>a self funded organization with no government money, was to

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<v Speaker 2>listen in the hydrogen band force for aliens going hello.

425
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<v Speaker 2>And they never heard anybody, nobody ever. They never heard

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<v Speaker 2>a thing. Odd signals were found, like the Wow signal

427
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<v Speaker 2>outside of the hydrogen band. But by the nineteen nineties

428
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<v Speaker 2>the technology to record and on a data base on

429
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<v Speaker 2>a hard drive a wider bandwidth than just the hydrogen

430
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<v Speaker 2>band got around, and they had some bit more money,

431
00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:45.400
<v Speaker 2>and they used Green Bank Rejo telescope and they recorded

432
00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:49.960
<v Speaker 2>wide band everything, not only the hydrogen teeny band but everything.

433
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<v Speaker 2>But then SETI didn't have any way of processing the signal.

434
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<v Speaker 2>They wrote an algorithm that could filter to see if

435
00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:02.319
<v Speaker 2>there was a narrowband signal, if it was a single

436
00:27:02.319 --> 00:27:05.839
<v Speaker 2>point source, and if it was coming from an exoplanet,

437
00:27:06.519 --> 00:27:08.720
<v Speaker 2>and those three things they put into a piece of

438
00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:11.680
<v Speaker 2>software called Seting at Home and you and I and

439
00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:16.039
<v Speaker 2>millions of people downloaded it as a screen saver. And

440
00:27:16.119 --> 00:27:19.039
<v Speaker 2>what they did is sent a little chunk of this

441
00:27:19.160 --> 00:27:23.319
<v Speaker 2>wide signal, which they couldn't process effectively, to everybody at

442
00:27:23.319 --> 00:27:26.559
<v Speaker 2>home and you filtered it through and to see if

443
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<v Speaker 2>there was a candidate, and that word candidate I'll mention

444
00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:34.039
<v Speaker 2>a couple of times. And it was so popular. I

445
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<v Speaker 2>know people who work for people like Texaco, literally I do.

446
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<v Speaker 2>Who was the IT person and it was his It

447
00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:46.720
<v Speaker 2>was up to him to put a screen saver on

448
00:27:46.759 --> 00:27:50.359
<v Speaker 2>a thousand million PCs all around the world, and he

449
00:27:50.480 --> 00:27:52.680
<v Speaker 2>chose to set at Home and set it home became

450
00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:55.119
<v Speaker 2>a victim of its own success, and they didn't want

451
00:27:55.119 --> 00:27:58.119
<v Speaker 2>to let people down, so they sent they re scanned

452
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<v Speaker 2>the sky. That's really important, the same scan sent multiple times.

453
00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:07.039
<v Speaker 2>They actually re scanned the sky and sent it out

454
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<v Speaker 2>to lots more people and the software was open source

455
00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:15.000
<v Speaker 2>and a few candidates were found, but not very many,

456
00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:18.119
<v Speaker 2>but a very smart this is how I heard the story.

457
00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:24.119
<v Speaker 2>A very smart statistician and mathematician in a large central

458
00:28:24.680 --> 00:28:28.400
<v Speaker 2>Italian university. I don't want to say his name, Parish

459
00:28:28.519 --> 00:28:32.599
<v Speaker 2>the open source setty at Home information and found five

460
00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:37.039
<v Speaker 2>candidates that had were narrow banned coming from an exoplanet

461
00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:42.839
<v Speaker 2>and had all the characteristics oh single point source. I mean,

462
00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:45.880
<v Speaker 2>they were definitely they were candidates. So they were called

463
00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:49.440
<v Speaker 2>C for candidates. Along came Uri Milner and set up

464
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<v Speaker 2>an organization called Breaks Through Listen with lots of money

465
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<v Speaker 2>and they bought as much telescope time at Green Bank

466
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<v Speaker 2>in the Northern Hemisphere and places like Parks in the

467
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<v Speaker 2>Southern hemisphere Australia. And they immediately went to the five

468
00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:07.160
<v Speaker 2>candidates and called them b LC breats who were listening

469
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<v Speaker 2>candidate at one to five and BLC one was the

470
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<v Speaker 2>first one they looked at because it's the closest to Earth.

471
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<v Speaker 2>It's in the Alpha century System. It's a planet orbiting

472
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<v Speaker 2>a star which is four point eight light years away,

473
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<v Speaker 2>and it's really important that it's four point eight light

474
00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:28.720
<v Speaker 2>years because it's possible to find a technological signature that's

475
00:29:28.759 --> 00:29:31.519
<v Speaker 2>one hundred thousand light years away. But that means at

476
00:29:31.559 --> 00:29:34.000
<v Speaker 2>the speed of light, the information you're getting is one

477
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<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand years old. And imagine how we've evolved over

478
00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:41.799
<v Speaker 2>that time. So one that's four point eight years old

479
00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:45.359
<v Speaker 2>is relevant and you know, and very interesting. So they

480
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<v Speaker 2>did that one first. Also at the time, back in

481
00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:54.960
<v Speaker 2>the early two thousands, they they had single telescopes. Green

482
00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:58.079
<v Speaker 2>Bank is great, Parks is great, and they're trackable dishes,

483
00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:02.000
<v Speaker 2>sturable dishes, but to we've moved on and that's part

484
00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:07.079
<v Speaker 2>of my story to much bigger networked arrays. But they

485
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<v Speaker 2>looked at b LC one break Through Listening Candidate one

486
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<v Speaker 2>from the SETI information and they found it was a

487
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<v Speaker 2>single point source, and they found that it was a

488
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<v Speaker 2>very narrow band of electromagnetic frequency and unfortunately it was

489
00:30:20.480 --> 00:30:24.039
<v Speaker 2>also very low level LIZ low information zone. So they

490
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<v Speaker 2>published a paper saying, we can't confirm that it's that

491
00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:33.839
<v Speaker 2>it is a technological signature. I also have to say

492
00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:36.799
<v Speaker 2>what that is. So we're not looking anymore for aliens

493
00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:40.720
<v Speaker 2>going who We're looking for the buzz of an alien

494
00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:46.720
<v Speaker 2>civilization that might be using electromagnetic frequency to do everyday

495
00:30:46.759 --> 00:30:50.160
<v Speaker 2>things if they are, and it's a good place to look.

496
00:30:50.359 --> 00:30:53.599
<v Speaker 2>They're also looking for lasers, they are also looking for

497
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<v Speaker 2>structures even and they're very very much and have found

498
00:30:58.160 --> 00:31:01.880
<v Speaker 2>this is very important to know biological signatures by looking

499
00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:07.000
<v Speaker 2>through the atmosphere of a planet exoplanet that is transiting

500
00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:09.759
<v Speaker 2>its star and you can now look in the narrow

501
00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:14.359
<v Speaker 2>slit of its atmosphere and analyze it, and bio signatures

502
00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:17.519
<v Speaker 2>have been found now over a year ago by a

503
00:31:17.559 --> 00:31:22.960
<v Speaker 2>group doing a spectral analysis of an exoplanet's atmosphere, not

504
00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:27.279
<v Speaker 2>the same one as BLC one, but another proof that

505
00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:32.799
<v Speaker 2>there's some kind of non human life forms out there.

506
00:31:32.960 --> 00:31:37.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's all we really need. BLC one they

507
00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:41.480
<v Speaker 2>published saying we can't confirm it, and that's what everybody

508
00:31:41.559 --> 00:31:44.359
<v Speaker 2>quotes back at me, saying it was interferes But hang on,

509
00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:48.480
<v Speaker 2>let me explain something. So you've got the let me

510
00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:49.079
<v Speaker 2>make it all.

511
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<v Speaker 1>So just to clarify real quick. So you're saying that

512
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<v Speaker 1>your information is coming from related to BLC one or

513
00:31:54.359 --> 00:31:57.680
<v Speaker 1>is it separate from BLC one, No, it was.

514
00:31:58.519 --> 00:32:02.880
<v Speaker 2>It was very much about LC one from my source

515
00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:06.640
<v Speaker 2>who said that BLC one is a genuine signal.

516
00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:09.000
<v Speaker 1>That was in twenty nineteen, right.

517
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:14.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, exactly, And well the signal existed beforehand. It

518
00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:19.440
<v Speaker 2>was a candidate from SETI Rachel listen. I spoke to

519
00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:24.160
<v Speaker 2>Andrew Simeon doct trans sim who's the principal investigator breakserre

520
00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:26.759
<v Speaker 2>listening to. I mean, he told me this BLC one

521
00:32:26.839 --> 00:32:32.920
<v Speaker 2>is still a candidate. And but the unlikeliness of it

522
00:32:33.000 --> 00:32:37.920
<v Speaker 2>being human interference is this. There's the telescope, and there's

523
00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:44.200
<v Speaker 2>the there's the the exoplanet, and it's if you turn

524
00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:47.160
<v Speaker 2>the telescope away, the signal goes. If you point it

525
00:32:47.160 --> 00:32:49.440
<v Speaker 2>at my finger, it's there. If you turn it away,

526
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:51.519
<v Speaker 2>it goes. So it's coming from a single point source

527
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:56.240
<v Speaker 2>and it's narrow. Well, what they're saying is there is

528
00:32:56.279 --> 00:33:01.240
<v Speaker 2>something man made between the telescope and the extra planet

529
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:06.000
<v Speaker 2>that's in lockstep with the extra planet, and it's transmitting

530
00:33:06.039 --> 00:33:12.720
<v Speaker 2>a very strange, non obvious electromagnetic spectrum. Okay, so what's

531
00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:18.720
<v Speaker 2>between Earth Parks and Alpha century. There isn't anything. I mean,

532
00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:22.559
<v Speaker 2>so saying it's a human signal, you could immediately say, oh,

533
00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:25.880
<v Speaker 2>it's a Russian Cosmo satellite. Well there isn't one, and

534
00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:30.519
<v Speaker 2>it tracks in the same way. It's following the extra planet.

535
00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:33.359
<v Speaker 2>And that was the end of their report. But what

536
00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:39.279
<v Speaker 2>happened next is the clincher. What they found with the

537
00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:43.279
<v Speaker 2>signal is that the signal is Doppler shifted. That means

538
00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:47.559
<v Speaker 2>they managed to track with Parks for as long as

539
00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:49.759
<v Speaker 2>the extra planet. Now that's not it, my finger is

540
00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:53.519
<v Speaker 2>the extra planet. As long as the extra planet orbited,

541
00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:56.000
<v Speaker 2>they followed it and then it went and then they

542
00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:58.200
<v Speaker 2>were in Australia and it went around the Earth, and

543
00:33:58.200 --> 00:34:00.400
<v Speaker 2>then they picked it up again, and in that time

544
00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:03.440
<v Speaker 2>that they could track it, they found that the electromagnetic

545
00:34:03.559 --> 00:34:07.960
<v Speaker 2>spectrum from this single point source was either if it

546
00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:10.599
<v Speaker 2>was like blue or red, shifted or Doppler shifted up

547
00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:14.960
<v Speaker 2>or down as you can know. And the Doppler shift

548
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:19.239
<v Speaker 2>of the signal is the same speed as the rotation

549
00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:23.920
<v Speaker 2>of the planets. So if it isn't coming from that planet,

550
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:28.079
<v Speaker 2>it's coming from something in space that's lined up with

551
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:33.960
<v Speaker 2>Australia that's using very strange frequencies that humans don't normally use,

552
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:36.719
<v Speaker 2>and it's rotating at the same speed as the planet.

553
00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:41.599
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the question I, as an investigator, immediately said

554
00:34:41.639 --> 00:34:46.039
<v Speaker 2>when people said rubbish to me was why are they lying?

555
00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:48.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, what is it that they Why are they

556
00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:52.840
<v Speaker 2>wanting not to say that they found a very good signal,

557
00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:56.480
<v Speaker 2>because by saying that it could be human interference but

558
00:34:56.599 --> 00:35:01.320
<v Speaker 2>not having any source, they're covering something up. And so

559
00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:04.079
<v Speaker 2>I went back to my contact who told me about

560
00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:08.239
<v Speaker 2>this story originally and said, why are they lying? And

561
00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:12.320
<v Speaker 2>he said, oh, you need to know who Peter Schenkle is.

562
00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:16.199
<v Speaker 2>I'd never heard of that name. He is an advisor

563
00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:21.280
<v Speaker 2>to SETI, and he told SETI whose whose mission statement

564
00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:24.920
<v Speaker 2>is tell the world, not to tell the world. He

565
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:28.119
<v Speaker 2>advised them that if SETI or Brits are listener who

566
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:32.440
<v Speaker 2>probably going along with the same protocol, find a weak, unconfirmed,

567
00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:37.719
<v Speaker 2>but very good candidate they did, don't say anything because

568
00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:42.119
<v Speaker 2>immediately and I proved this, My viewers proved this. Immediately

569
00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:45.960
<v Speaker 2>you say, I think you found we found a technological signature.

570
00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:52.280
<v Speaker 2>Everybody says, what do they look like? What are they saying?

571
00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:57.239
<v Speaker 2>You're well, stop stop. You know, we found a buzz coming.

572
00:35:57.440 --> 00:35:59.960
<v Speaker 2>It might be rocks rubbing together, but we found a

573
00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:03.079
<v Speaker 2>bars of a technological signature. You know, are they blue?

574
00:36:03.199 --> 00:36:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Is a stupid question, but that's what Schenkor told SETI.

575
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:09.480
<v Speaker 2>If you are at least three steps ahead of the

576
00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:12.679
<v Speaker 2>general public, what will happen is that SETI will be

577
00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:17.280
<v Speaker 2>thrown out with the bathwater, and they'll get they'll get

578
00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:21.760
<v Speaker 2>Gypsy rose Lee to answer the stupid questions, and the

579
00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:25.280
<v Speaker 2>science will be blown away. So, b if you find

580
00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:29.360
<v Speaker 2>a signal, shut up, you can start telling governments. And

581
00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:33.360
<v Speaker 2>they have told governments, and they've told the Vatican and

582
00:36:33.519 --> 00:36:36.800
<v Speaker 2>the British government. I read a report that they've published.

583
00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:41.239
<v Speaker 2>Have got now an advisory of what how they would exploit,

584
00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:46.800
<v Speaker 2>which is very typical British. The confirmation of ET and

585
00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:53.360
<v Speaker 2>their exploitation was building better telescopes. And that's the real story.

586
00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:58.199
<v Speaker 2>The signal is real, but somebody doesn't want it to

587
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:04.960
<v Speaker 2>be published. And then since BLC one and Parks Europe

588
00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:08.000
<v Speaker 2>and EU Horizon Fund, which is the largest science fund

589
00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:11.000
<v Speaker 2>the on the planet, you know, a bit like National

590
00:37:11.159 --> 00:37:15.760
<v Speaker 2>Science Foundation, but even bigger, have done this networked idea.

591
00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:20.400
<v Speaker 2>We can now network the Square Kilometer Array, a big

592
00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:24.679
<v Speaker 2>radio telescope in South Africa, and all the lo Far

593
00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:29.360
<v Speaker 2>and Jadrabank telescopes which are already networked in Europe to

594
00:37:29.440 --> 00:37:32.840
<v Speaker 2>make an ear the size of our planet. And since

595
00:37:32.920 --> 00:37:38.159
<v Speaker 2>then an organization called astron who also are keeping quite quiet,

596
00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:44.159
<v Speaker 2>are finding evidence of technological signatures. We have the tools

597
00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:47.079
<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty four to prove that we're not alone

598
00:37:47.079 --> 00:37:50.280
<v Speaker 2>in the universe. We have the biological signature and we

599
00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:56.159
<v Speaker 2>have very good confirmation. Personally, as a pundit, I think

600
00:37:56.599 --> 00:37:59.880
<v Speaker 2>the public should know this, but I now I understand

601
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:05.800
<v Speaker 2>why it was immediately blocked and nobody would. I was

602
00:38:06.000 --> 00:38:10.400
<v Speaker 2>very alone. I was very friendly with people like Jill Tatter,

603
00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:12.760
<v Speaker 2>who's used to be the head of SETI. I worked

604
00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:16.920
<v Speaker 2>with Jill and she wouldn't return my phone call and

605
00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:21.280
<v Speaker 2>the press person from SETI and I'm sure I'm not

606
00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:24.960
<v Speaker 2>on the break Shore listen Christmas card list anymore.

607
00:38:26.760 --> 00:38:28.440
<v Speaker 1>Well, so let me jump in here because I have

608
00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:30.360
<v Speaker 1>a lot of questions. You gave us a lot of

609
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:31.079
<v Speaker 1>really good information.

610
00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:33.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, I asked details. Good.

611
00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:36.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because for me, I think the biggest thing was

612
00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:38.800
<v Speaker 1>and this isn't something I didn't I didn't realize because

613
00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:42.199
<v Speaker 1>it's getting misreported in the news that oh, we've got

614
00:38:42.239 --> 00:38:46.400
<v Speaker 1>some you know, we're we received some message from the aliens.

615
00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:48.400
<v Speaker 1>Like that's basically how it was being reported. But the

616
00:38:48.400 --> 00:38:50.960
<v Speaker 1>way you just described it is, no, we're seeing something

617
00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:53.480
<v Speaker 1>that appears to be a techno signs. You're a buzz, like,

618
00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:55.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, a buzz that we're seeing out there. That's

619
00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:58.039
<v Speaker 1>a big difference, but it's also very important. And then,

620
00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:01.280
<v Speaker 1>like you said, everybody just wants answers out there. To me,

621
00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:06.760
<v Speaker 1>this is very similar to the detection of seasonal methane

622
00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:10.679
<v Speaker 1>on Mars, where I could seasonal methane on Mars, which

623
00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:14.840
<v Speaker 1>is a biosignature. It doesn't mean that there's little, little

624
00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:18.320
<v Speaker 1>green men on Mars. But it could mean there's bacteria,

625
00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:21.519
<v Speaker 1>which would be huge, right, and it doesn't get reported

626
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<v Speaker 1>on it just because I don't know if people just

627
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<v Speaker 1>don't want to accept it or they they I think

628
00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:29.159
<v Speaker 1>the standard of evidence for proof is like so high,

629
00:39:29.480 --> 00:39:31.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, as opposed to like, hey, here's this pretty

630
00:39:31.960 --> 00:39:35.599
<v Speaker 1>incredible information and this data point that would indicate there

631
00:39:35.679 --> 00:39:38.480
<v Speaker 1>might be something more going on there. And I think

632
00:39:38.559 --> 00:39:41.079
<v Speaker 1>James web right now as well, is actually, like you said,

633
00:39:41.199 --> 00:39:46.880
<v Speaker 1>scanning on what is it for the various chemicals that

634
00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:49.960
<v Speaker 1>we see when the planet go in front of the

635
00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:54.559
<v Speaker 1>stars and you can actually get a spectrum analysis there

636
00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:57.199
<v Speaker 1>and if you see organics or things that are consistent,

637
00:39:57.599 --> 00:40:00.960
<v Speaker 1>like methane's one of those things that might indicate their

638
00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:03.760
<v Speaker 1>stuff there. So the big thing, though you said, is

639
00:40:03.760 --> 00:40:06.599
<v Speaker 1>that this is coming from Alpha you know, Alpha Centauri

640
00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:09.960
<v Speaker 1>or you know, what are our closest stars that we have.

641
00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:15.039
<v Speaker 1>If we find some type of techno signature that close,

642
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:18.599
<v Speaker 1>that would indicate life's got to be everywhere, right.

643
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, it's just they be LC one was

644
00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:26.199
<v Speaker 2>the closest because they had it was it was a

645
00:40:26.199 --> 00:40:30.000
<v Speaker 2>better signal and it was also not very old. But yeah, right,

646
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:33.639
<v Speaker 2>life is going to be everywhere, but it doesn't have

647
00:40:33.760 --> 00:40:38.760
<v Speaker 2>to be. It doesn't have to be, uh, people in

648
00:40:38.840 --> 00:40:42.280
<v Speaker 2>flying sauces. I mean, look at our planet. I live

649
00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:45.519
<v Speaker 2>at a fum. You know, I've just gone out five

650
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:48.119
<v Speaker 2>minutes ago and fed my goats. I mean there are

651
00:40:48.320 --> 00:40:51.719
<v Speaker 2>life forum. They are an intelligent species, but they don't

652
00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:55.360
<v Speaker 2>drive teslas. I don't hope not. And you know they

653
00:40:56.599 --> 00:41:02.840
<v Speaker 2>they hang on no, no, no no, But aliens are

654
00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:07.039
<v Speaker 2>going to be in the chap val A phrase highly strange.

655
00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:10.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean they're not or in the star Trege phrase

656
00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:13.440
<v Speaker 2>it's life gym, but not as we know it. I mean,

657
00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:18.000
<v Speaker 2>I think it's amazing. I think the technological signature is

658
00:41:18.039 --> 00:41:25.360
<v Speaker 2>really interesting because it implies that that they they are

659
00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:29.559
<v Speaker 2>using electromagnetic frequencies, which is a bit odd really, because

660
00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:33.639
<v Speaker 2>we as a planet are moving away from EM. I mean,

661
00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:38.440
<v Speaker 2>it's em if you start off with kind of radio teleft.

662
00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:43.280
<v Speaker 2>You know, radio and Marconi were now mainly fiber optic

663
00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:49.079
<v Speaker 2>and and we're not actually transmitting signals through the ether

664
00:41:49.760 --> 00:41:52.880
<v Speaker 2>or whatever you know anymore. So it might be a

665
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:58.599
<v Speaker 2>bubble of a technological race who uses electromagnetic spectrum. Although

666
00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:01.679
<v Speaker 2>we still kind of like to use it for things

667
00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:08.159
<v Speaker 2>like radar and satellite communication. Makes sense. Well, so the

668
00:42:08.159 --> 00:42:10.559
<v Speaker 2>the other thing that brakes through Listen said to me,

669
00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:13.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry to interrupt, it's just a really great fact.

670
00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:23.000
<v Speaker 2>He said that there's James Webb can find spectral technical

671
00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:27.159
<v Speaker 2>technological signatures. I said, I don't understand. He said, not

672
00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:31.199
<v Speaker 2>only could you find methane or evidence of respiratory and

673
00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:35.719
<v Speaker 2>life and other chemicals which are normally associated with creatures.

674
00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:41.079
<v Speaker 2>You might find fluorocarbines. You might find a chemical in

675
00:42:41.280 --> 00:42:47.199
<v Speaker 2>their atmosphere which could which isn't a natural molecule, it's

676
00:42:47.199 --> 00:42:49.760
<v Speaker 2>something that had to be constructed, and that would be

677
00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:52.599
<v Speaker 2>a technological spectral signature. Sorry.

678
00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:56.239
<v Speaker 1>Wow, Yeah. And so the alien thing is really interesting

679
00:42:56.280 --> 00:42:59.760
<v Speaker 1>because I was like you a couple of years ago.

680
00:42:59.920 --> 00:43:02.039
<v Speaker 1>I thought they're gonna be way different than us, and

681
00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:04.199
<v Speaker 1>I still think that aliens would be way different that

682
00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:07.280
<v Speaker 1>we can't really even it's not necessarily going to be

683
00:43:07.280 --> 00:43:09.960
<v Speaker 1>like humanoids. But then I think there's also the other

684
00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:12.320
<v Speaker 1>side of the spectrum, which what if they are exactly

685
00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:14.039
<v Speaker 1>like us, Like what if we are the aliens that

686
00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:16.360
<v Speaker 1>somebody drops us off here and we've forgotten our history

687
00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:19.800
<v Speaker 1>or something too like. Honestly, both options seem plausible to me.

688
00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:22.599
<v Speaker 1>But the point you brought up what I really want

689
00:43:22.639 --> 00:43:27.400
<v Speaker 1>to dig into is the method of communication, which is okay,

690
00:43:27.880 --> 00:43:29.760
<v Speaker 1>like the em thing like you that was a great

691
00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:31.639
<v Speaker 1>point you bring up, is like, isn't it kind of

692
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:35.760
<v Speaker 1>weird that we would detect an electromagnetic signature? If we're

693
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:37.960
<v Speaker 1>moving away from that And this is the part where

694
00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:40.679
<v Speaker 1>I think human hubris comes into play, where we think, oh,

695
00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:44.159
<v Speaker 1>we've advanced everything there is. I remember watching a show

696
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:46.679
<v Speaker 1>like over a decade ago where they were going through

697
00:43:46.719 --> 00:43:49.760
<v Speaker 1>SETI and these signatures, and we hadn't had a lot

698
00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:53.199
<v Speaker 1>of luck in finding stuff, and somebody comes in points out, well,

699
00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:56.280
<v Speaker 1>what if we're looking we're not looking for the right thing,

700
00:43:56.480 --> 00:43:58.679
<v Speaker 1>We're not looking at the right bandwidth, or you know,

701
00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:01.679
<v Speaker 1>we're not looking for the right message. These aliens or

702
00:44:01.719 --> 00:44:04.920
<v Speaker 1>whatever they are, are using a different method of communication.

703
00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:07.679
<v Speaker 1>And the thing that I've researched in the last year

704
00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:11.039
<v Speaker 1>that has really blown me away is gravity waves. You

705
00:44:11.079 --> 00:44:13.880
<v Speaker 1>were mentioning the thing about the ether before, which you know,

706
00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:17.519
<v Speaker 1>if people google hal Pudoff's patent, you're gonna find out

707
00:44:17.559 --> 00:44:20.920
<v Speaker 1>he's got something called communication system, and in it it

708
00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:26.559
<v Speaker 1>is a communication method with no electromagnetic signature and instead

709
00:44:26.639 --> 00:44:31.320
<v Speaker 1>it uses force free Correct me if I'm wrong here,

710
00:44:31.800 --> 00:44:34.119
<v Speaker 1>or people can fact check me. But it's like force

711
00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:40.079
<v Speaker 1>free communication, beaming it basically through the ether, right, And

712
00:44:40.159 --> 00:44:43.679
<v Speaker 1>to me, that is a it's a scaler U communication system,

713
00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:46.159
<v Speaker 1>or I would call it a gravity communication system. I

714
00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:49.840
<v Speaker 1>think that in order to not ruffle people's feathers, they

715
00:44:49.840 --> 00:44:52.159
<v Speaker 1>call it like a quantum communication system.

716
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:54.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh, the badly misused word.

717
00:44:54.920 --> 00:44:57.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it's exactly. But that's how they get the

718
00:44:57.239 --> 00:45:00.000
<v Speaker 1>people to not like say, oh, this is pseudoscience basically,

719
00:45:01.239 --> 00:45:04.719
<v Speaker 1>but what do you think about that idea? And could

720
00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:08.440
<v Speaker 1>something like that because Robert M. L. Baker was a

721
00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:12.079
<v Speaker 1>Lockheed Martin engineer and he wrote over a dozen papers

722
00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:15.480
<v Speaker 1>on high frequency gravitational waves and using them for communication

723
00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:17.519
<v Speaker 1>as one of the methods that they could be used for.

724
00:45:18.239 --> 00:45:20.639
<v Speaker 1>And I think, oh, well, doesn't that make way more sense?

725
00:45:20.679 --> 00:45:23.639
<v Speaker 1>Is that they're using something that we are not using

726
00:45:23.719 --> 00:45:28.079
<v Speaker 1>right now conventionally, that we aren't even looking for out there,

727
00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:30.880
<v Speaker 1>and that if we have a high frequency gravitational wave detector,

728
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:34.760
<v Speaker 1>maybe we start seeing these things everywhere out in the universe.

729
00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:37.119
<v Speaker 1>And I'm curious your thoughts on that. And then the

730
00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:39.239
<v Speaker 1>other thing I'm curious is on is do you think

731
00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:42.400
<v Speaker 1>that something like that could actually communicate faster than the

732
00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:44.159
<v Speaker 1>speed of light? Uh?

733
00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:52.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it does. Oh that's a big statement. Yeah, yeah,

734
00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:58.280
<v Speaker 2>that's I hadn't considered gravity waves. But very interestingly, Ashton

735
00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:06.280
<v Speaker 2>that a number of new lego instruments have been built. Certainly,

736
00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:12.079
<v Speaker 2>gravity waves are being looked at and investigated by all

737
00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:17.199
<v Speaker 2>over the world right now. The sensitivity of the original

738
00:46:17.239 --> 00:46:20.159
<v Speaker 2>system has been incredibly increased. I was thinking of doing

739
00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:22.320
<v Speaker 2>a film about it, so I was researching it. But

740
00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:27.559
<v Speaker 2>there's now gravity wave detectives all over the world, certainly

741
00:46:27.719 --> 00:46:30.960
<v Speaker 2>in China and in Europe, as well as the one

742
00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:35.519
<v Speaker 2>out in probably Oregon. I think it is the original one.

743
00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:37.000
<v Speaker 2>I think it's near Hartford.

744
00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:39.400
<v Speaker 1>And but.

745
00:46:41.639 --> 00:46:44.199
<v Speaker 2>How put off so onto something as well. He's an

746
00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:53.000
<v Speaker 2>interesting person to follow. But I got told about this

747
00:46:53.079 --> 00:46:59.519
<v Speaker 2>guy called Gunter Nimitz, right, So, Gunter is a now

748
00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:06.159
<v Speaker 2>in his late eighties nineties. He isn't available on social media.

749
00:47:06.519 --> 00:47:11.719
<v Speaker 2>He is a retired very senior physicist at Cologne University

750
00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:18.039
<v Speaker 2>and he experimented the early two thousands with what he

751
00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:24.599
<v Speaker 2>called quantum tunnel communication. And what he'd discovered with an

752
00:47:24.599 --> 00:47:29.119
<v Speaker 2>experiment which is reproducible in your bedroom, and he did

753
00:47:29.119 --> 00:47:33.679
<v Speaker 2>it with undergraduate students in a laboratory, is he can

754
00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:38.920
<v Speaker 2>send a microwave source. But it interestingly, it doesn't have

755
00:47:38.960 --> 00:47:41.280
<v Speaker 2>to be microwaves. It could be any it could be light,

756
00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:44.639
<v Speaker 2>but anything he can send. But in his case it

757
00:47:44.679 --> 00:47:49.119
<v Speaker 2>was my caroreerve through a device and then have an

758
00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:52.599
<v Speaker 2>air gap of a few meters to a receiver. And

759
00:47:52.639 --> 00:47:56.719
<v Speaker 2>what he discovered is that he knows the time the

760
00:47:56.760 --> 00:48:00.320
<v Speaker 2>signal would take from the source to the receiver, and

761
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:02.400
<v Speaker 2>of course it would transit that time and there would

762
00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:06.119
<v Speaker 2>be a distinct speed of light communication. But he found

763
00:48:06.159 --> 00:48:12.000
<v Speaker 2>that by putting it into this this tunnel transmitter, that

764
00:48:12.079 --> 00:48:18.199
<v Speaker 2>when it exited the tunnel transmitter, it entered the tunnel

765
00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:24.039
<v Speaker 2>receiver instantaneously. The gap between the transmitter and the receiver

766
00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:29.440
<v Speaker 2>was non existent. And as he moved them further apart,

767
00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:33.119
<v Speaker 2>the signal I mean there was a slight delay of

768
00:48:33.159 --> 00:48:35.559
<v Speaker 2>it going in and the slight delay of it coming out,

769
00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:38.800
<v Speaker 2>but the bit between which could be a meter or

770
00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:41.719
<v Speaker 2>could be one hundred million light years. That's its point

771
00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:51.000
<v Speaker 2>was instantaneous. When the signal transited space. It was like

772
00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:54.159
<v Speaker 2>somebody told me this. The person who told me this,

773
00:48:54.519 --> 00:48:57.440
<v Speaker 2>It's like you're pushing on a rod. You push this

774
00:48:57.679 --> 00:49:00.880
<v Speaker 2>end and the other end is moving. There is a

775
00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:04.719
<v Speaker 2>direct connection. It isn't a wave, it's not an energy

776
00:49:04.840 --> 00:49:09.559
<v Speaker 2>with a time base. It is just a connection. And

777
00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:13.119
<v Speaker 2>that connection makes a lot of sense. I'm gonna have

778
00:49:13.159 --> 00:49:15.800
<v Speaker 2>to use the word quantum in the quantum world or

779
00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:19.280
<v Speaker 2>the sub atomic world, where we have a world which

780
00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:21.639
<v Speaker 2>is not like the far field world that we live in,

781
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:24.559
<v Speaker 2>but we have a world where everything is We know

782
00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:28.039
<v Speaker 2>that everything is connected. So is it connected in a

783
00:49:28.079 --> 00:49:31.000
<v Speaker 2>way where you can put a signal in and receive

784
00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:38.320
<v Speaker 2>it out without a delay. And he demonstrates this. He

785
00:49:38.840 --> 00:49:46.400
<v Speaker 2>immediately gave that idea to a group that I'm associated

786
00:49:46.480 --> 00:49:51.239
<v Speaker 2>with or know of in Europe as a receiver on

787
00:49:51.400 --> 00:49:55.079
<v Speaker 2>radio telescopes. He said, put one on the radio telescope.

788
00:49:55.199 --> 00:49:58.000
<v Speaker 2>Sorry he's not Scottish, but put one on our radio

789
00:49:58.039 --> 00:50:02.039
<v Speaker 2>telescope and see if Thellans are using my form of

790
00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:05.559
<v Speaker 2>instant communication, because they would be really smart if they did.

791
00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:11.159
<v Speaker 2>And so strapped on the side of a whole bunch

792
00:50:11.199 --> 00:50:12.960
<v Speaker 2>and I know where they are. And I'm not saying

793
00:50:13.280 --> 00:50:16.239
<v Speaker 2>readie telescopes just a part of a network in Europe

794
00:50:16.679 --> 00:50:19.599
<v Speaker 2>are gunter Nimitz's receivers.

795
00:50:19.639 --> 00:50:22.519
<v Speaker 1>And really yeah you know that for a fact.

796
00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:26.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you can read the funding for it, I mean.

797
00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:30.400
<v Speaker 2>And there was a there was a conference in Colone

798
00:50:31.039 --> 00:50:36.119
<v Speaker 2>where the radio telescope administrators from EU went to see

799
00:50:36.119 --> 00:50:40.039
<v Speaker 2>the demonstration. They were very skeptical. The head of SETI

800
00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:43.079
<v Speaker 2>from the US was there and he had a conniption.

801
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:47.639
<v Speaker 2>Supposedly he absolutely hated it and stormed out and is

802
00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:51.599
<v Speaker 2>dissing what guntern Imits is doing. But some people there,

803
00:50:52.639 --> 00:50:56.639
<v Speaker 2>he's a very famous person, John Michael Goodyear had him

804
00:50:56.679 --> 00:50:59.599
<v Speaker 2>on and he's really full of himself. But one of

805
00:50:59.639 --> 00:51:02.119
<v Speaker 2>the people there, I can't remember his name. One of

806
00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:04.840
<v Speaker 2>the people there at the meeting is my contact, and

807
00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:09.920
<v Speaker 2>he said, we're interested. Can you make one and we'll

808
00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:14.239
<v Speaker 2>strap it nicely on one of our European telescopes. And

809
00:51:15.880 --> 00:51:16.679
<v Speaker 2>what have they heard?

810
00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:20.880
<v Speaker 1>They're not saying, So do you have reason to believe

811
00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:24.880
<v Speaker 1>that something any type of communication there's been some success

812
00:51:24.960 --> 00:51:25.199
<v Speaker 1>with that.

813
00:51:26.119 --> 00:51:30.880
<v Speaker 2>I have no reason to believe that. No. All I

814
00:51:30.920 --> 00:51:37.239
<v Speaker 2>know is that they it's another tool which they are using. Obviously,

815
00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:41.920
<v Speaker 2>my contact, who's very excited and was part of the

816
00:51:41.960 --> 00:51:46.519
<v Speaker 2>project to putting these retrofitting these telescopes with this device, said,

817
00:51:46.639 --> 00:51:51.440
<v Speaker 2>if we ever did find a signal, and I'm not

818
00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:55.199
<v Speaker 2>at liberty to say anything more, it would then open

819
00:51:55.239 --> 00:52:00.280
<v Speaker 2>the opportunity to speak back. But then we talked of

820
00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:04.079
<v Speaker 2>the phone in a long time about the difficulty of communication.

821
00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:07.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean, how do you communicate with somebody who has

822
00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:12.159
<v Speaker 2>no references to you? So the actual technology, technological signa

823
00:52:12.639 --> 00:52:16.480
<v Speaker 2>way of communicating might be crackable, but then how do

824
00:52:16.519 --> 00:52:19.320
<v Speaker 2>you take it to the next level if we ever find,

825
00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:23.320
<v Speaker 2>if we ever heard a signal that was using this,

826
00:52:24.079 --> 00:52:26.199
<v Speaker 2>but it would be it would make so much sense.

827
00:52:26.320 --> 00:52:30.840
<v Speaker 2>That's an advanced race and maybe we humans are slowly

828
00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:32.079
<v Speaker 2>getting into that level.

829
00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:36.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, would let me ask a couple quick questions, real quick,

830
00:52:36.519 --> 00:52:38.239
<v Speaker 1>you don't mind, because first of all, what you just

831
00:52:38.280 --> 00:52:41.000
<v Speaker 1>say right there is huge, is that how do we

832
00:52:41.039 --> 00:52:43.320
<v Speaker 1>even communicate? You know, It's like, Okay, it's one thing

833
00:52:43.360 --> 00:52:45.679
<v Speaker 1>to say that we get a signature, but like it's

834
00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:47.960
<v Speaker 1>not like they're speaking English to us, you know, like

835
00:52:48.039 --> 00:52:51.360
<v Speaker 1>are we gonna speak in Morse code or almost like

836
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:53.239
<v Speaker 1>the movie contacts. You know, it's like, what are they

837
00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:55.440
<v Speaker 1>gonna send us, like prime numbers or what are they

838
00:52:55.440 --> 00:52:55.679
<v Speaker 1>gonna do?

839
00:52:56.280 --> 00:52:58.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, prime numbers, even that would be impossible. I mean

840
00:52:58.639 --> 00:53:01.519
<v Speaker 2>I think the movie Arrival was better at that. I mean,

841
00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:04.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, I think I think we don't have the

842
00:53:04.960 --> 00:53:08.679
<v Speaker 2>ability to talk to squids, so you know, and they

843
00:53:08.920 --> 00:53:12.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, we eat them unfortunately. But I mean they're

844
00:53:12.400 --> 00:53:16.760
<v Speaker 2>very highly evolved and very highly intelligent, being on this planet,

845
00:53:16.840 --> 00:53:20.199
<v Speaker 2>our Earth, for longer than humans, and we can't bloody

846
00:53:20.280 --> 00:53:22.679
<v Speaker 2>talk to them. How pathetic is that? So how are

847
00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:24.920
<v Speaker 2>we going to talk to the aliens? And you know,

848
00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:30.519
<v Speaker 2>and as you say, do they talk? Do they? Is

849
00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:33.960
<v Speaker 2>there a concept of of color? I mean, we are

850
00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:37.280
<v Speaker 2>so human in the way that we our tiny spectrum them,

851
00:53:37.480 --> 00:53:39.920
<v Speaker 2>that we our eyes see and our ears can hear,

852
00:53:39.960 --> 00:53:42.960
<v Speaker 2>and our feeling in touch and our gravity. You know,

853
00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:48.400
<v Speaker 2>we're people of Earth. So we can't even assume that

854
00:53:48.519 --> 00:53:50.840
<v Speaker 2>they would know what a ball is. You know, if

855
00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:54.039
<v Speaker 2>you speak to a child in a different language, you

856
00:53:54.079 --> 00:53:57.119
<v Speaker 2>could show them a ball and they would immediately know

857
00:53:57.360 --> 00:53:59.840
<v Speaker 2>it was round and they could bounce it or play

858
00:53:59.840 --> 00:54:02.000
<v Speaker 2>with it, even if they didn't know the language to

859
00:54:02.039 --> 00:54:04.519
<v Speaker 2>talk to you in, you know, from a foreign country,

860
00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:07.480
<v Speaker 2>but an alien might not even know what a round

861
00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:10.840
<v Speaker 2>thing is. You know, it would be very It would

862
00:54:10.880 --> 00:54:14.400
<v Speaker 2>be incredibly challenging and fantastic. Yeah.

863
00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:17.000
<v Speaker 1>The part that really also is like people don't realize

864
00:54:17.400 --> 00:54:19.480
<v Speaker 1>why would we think aliens would have the same concept

865
00:54:19.519 --> 00:54:21.920
<v Speaker 1>of time that we do as well? That might they

866
00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:23.559
<v Speaker 1>might even have the same concept as time. Like it's

867
00:54:23.559 --> 00:54:25.159
<v Speaker 1>like the movie Lord of the Rings with the nts,

868
00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:27.719
<v Speaker 1>the tree people or whatever they like, their concept of

869
00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:30.760
<v Speaker 1>time is different, moves much slower than our concept of time.

870
00:54:31.039 --> 00:54:33.440
<v Speaker 1>Can you imagine how difficult it would be to communicate

871
00:54:33.480 --> 00:54:36.400
<v Speaker 1>with a species where our concepts of time are different?

872
00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:39.079
<v Speaker 1>Or like in the movie Arrival where they like somehow

873
00:54:39.199 --> 00:54:41.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of see the future in the past all the Yeah,

874
00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:43.639
<v Speaker 1>exactly like a circle.

875
00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:44.320
<v Speaker 2>I know.

876
00:54:44.920 --> 00:54:47.119
<v Speaker 1>This is where like, I think the UFO community specifically

877
00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:49.239
<v Speaker 1>really needs to update some of their narratives because a

878
00:54:49.280 --> 00:54:51.440
<v Speaker 1>lot of it's like, oh, all the aliens are telepathic.

879
00:54:51.559 --> 00:54:54.960
<v Speaker 1>It's like, okay, well, I mean maybe, but you know,

880
00:54:55.039 --> 00:54:57.440
<v Speaker 1>I think the bigger issue is like, do they even

881
00:54:57.480 --> 00:55:02.199
<v Speaker 1>have the same concepts of morality, consciousness?

882
00:55:02.440 --> 00:55:02.719
<v Speaker 2>Time?

883
00:55:03.039 --> 00:55:06.159
<v Speaker 1>These things? Right, Like, those are huge differences that could

884
00:55:06.159 --> 00:55:10.559
<v Speaker 1>make it very difficult to have any type of formal communication, right.

885
00:55:11.239 --> 00:55:14.400
<v Speaker 2>Totally, totally, totally agree. I couldn't. I mean, yeah, I've

886
00:55:14.400 --> 00:55:18.360
<v Speaker 2>done films about what I call time base, and all

887
00:55:18.360 --> 00:55:20.239
<v Speaker 2>you have to do is f with the time base,

888
00:55:20.559 --> 00:55:24.440
<v Speaker 2>and suddenly we've had this in science fiction, you know,

889
00:55:24.519 --> 00:55:27.599
<v Speaker 2>fiction where something is moving so fast that you don't

890
00:55:27.639 --> 00:55:30.800
<v Speaker 2>see it because because we can't scan it, and it

891
00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:35.000
<v Speaker 2>appears like a buzz. Episodes of Star Trek and things

892
00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:37.599
<v Speaker 2>where the thing was moving so fast they couldn't see

893
00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:41.800
<v Speaker 2>it until they got into their time base, or things

894
00:55:41.800 --> 00:55:45.119
<v Speaker 2>that move so incredibly slowly that we think it's a rock,

895
00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:48.039
<v Speaker 2>but in fact the rock is moving, but we it

896
00:55:48.079 --> 00:55:51.039
<v Speaker 2>moves over ten thousand years. So yeah, no, you're right.

897
00:55:51.079 --> 00:55:56.199
<v Speaker 2>And then in the subatomic world, the concept of time

898
00:55:56.400 --> 00:56:02.199
<v Speaker 2>is very different. One of the things that have been

899
00:56:02.199 --> 00:56:04.480
<v Speaker 2>fascinating me in a film that I just published today

900
00:56:04.559 --> 00:56:12.559
<v Speaker 2>is about remote viewing and how by tapping into probably

901
00:56:12.639 --> 00:56:19.719
<v Speaker 2>how our brain has a quantum aspect to how it works.

902
00:56:20.199 --> 00:56:23.440
<v Speaker 2>You know, we are fundamentally quantum inside our atoms, but

903
00:56:23.519 --> 00:56:27.360
<v Speaker 2>we're far field you know, beings. But we have a

904
00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:31.559
<v Speaker 2>connection to a spiritual connection, to the to a timeless

905
00:56:31.639 --> 00:56:35.239
<v Speaker 2>connected universe, we call it God, we call it religion.

906
00:56:35.639 --> 00:56:43.039
<v Speaker 2>But one of the explanations of remote viewing is are

907
00:56:43.039 --> 00:56:46.360
<v Speaker 2>these microtubule ideas that we have in our brain, which

908
00:56:46.400 --> 00:56:50.039
<v Speaker 2>are physical objects in our brain that Dr Roger Penrose

909
00:56:50.079 --> 00:56:53.199
<v Speaker 2>is talking about and the caesiologist to talking about. It's

910
00:56:53.199 --> 00:56:59.360
<v Speaker 2>fantastic and it's possible that remote viewing people who have

911
00:56:59.559 --> 00:57:02.440
<v Speaker 2>that way of looking into the near future as we

912
00:57:02.519 --> 00:57:05.599
<v Speaker 2>all do, but some of them are better at it

913
00:57:05.679 --> 00:57:12.039
<v Speaker 2>than us, could tap into a timeless realm. So time

914
00:57:12.960 --> 00:57:17.800
<v Speaker 2>doesn't the future, the present, and the past doesn't exist.

915
00:57:18.559 --> 00:57:25.960
<v Speaker 2>So speaking to Russell Tarak and how put off about

916
00:57:26.000 --> 00:57:30.880
<v Speaker 2>remote viewing literally yesterday Ashton, it seems to me that

917
00:57:31.320 --> 00:57:35.360
<v Speaker 2>the way that remote viewing works was very much tapping

918
00:57:35.400 --> 00:57:40.280
<v Speaker 2>into some type of timeless realm, and that the remote viewers,

919
00:57:40.840 --> 00:57:44.480
<v Speaker 2>through an emotional connection in the future, it had to

920
00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:48.960
<v Speaker 2>be an emotional connection, could recall the future in the past.

921
00:57:49.639 --> 00:57:55.159
<v Speaker 2>So that's how they made it work. It wasn't It

922
00:57:55.239 --> 00:57:59.480
<v Speaker 2>wasn't looking at an underground secret laboratory in Russia at

923
00:57:59.480 --> 00:58:01.639
<v Speaker 2>a distance. It was about saying your.

924
00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:05.760
<v Speaker 1>Time, it's retro causality, right, retro causality, it's a and

925
00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:09.159
<v Speaker 1>there's an experiment that actually supports the notion of retro causality,

926
00:58:09.199 --> 00:58:13.920
<v Speaker 1>called the delayed choice quantum eraser, where they exactly I

927
00:58:14.000 --> 00:58:16.199
<v Speaker 1>looked at that experiment and I saw people trying to

928
00:58:16.199 --> 00:58:19.199
<v Speaker 1>debunk in what have you? And my interpretation was that

929
00:58:19.280 --> 00:58:22.400
<v Speaker 1>it's clearly sending information from the future to the present,

930
00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:26.079
<v Speaker 1>which is you know, time travel. And now to me,

931
00:58:26.119 --> 00:58:28.039
<v Speaker 1>it's just a matter of what can you do with that?

932
00:58:28.119 --> 00:58:30.079
<v Speaker 1>And I think it's directly I thought all these concepts

933
00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:31.559
<v Speaker 1>you've beenalk about for the last five minutes, I think

934
00:58:31.559 --> 00:58:35.480
<v Speaker 1>I related Gunter Nimitz and maaster and light device. I mean,

935
00:58:35.920 --> 00:58:39.079
<v Speaker 1>if you look at that and the idea of quantum tunneling,

936
00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:41.920
<v Speaker 1>it's like it's jumping the gap between these regions. And

937
00:58:44.239 --> 00:58:46.320
<v Speaker 1>how do you explain that, you know, I think the

938
00:58:46.360 --> 00:58:47.920
<v Speaker 1>only way to explain it is the same way that

939
00:58:47.960 --> 00:58:51.559
<v Speaker 1>you explain remote viewing. And it's quantum entanglement, right, it's

940
00:58:51.639 --> 00:58:54.519
<v Speaker 1>quantum entanglement that all points in space and time must

941
00:58:54.559 --> 00:59:00.800
<v Speaker 1>have some connection, right exactly a distance. So do you

942
00:59:00.840 --> 00:59:02.039
<v Speaker 1>think that there's.

943
00:59:01.880 --> 00:59:05.320
<v Speaker 2>An a gravity? Yeah?

944
00:59:05.400 --> 00:59:07.679
<v Speaker 1>So do you think that there is like then like

945
00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:10.360
<v Speaker 1>an ether or whatever of like you know, what has

946
00:59:10.400 --> 00:59:12.599
<v Speaker 1>been talked about since the time of Tesla is that

947
00:59:12.719 --> 00:59:15.960
<v Speaker 1>how what is your views on how to rationalize how

948
00:59:15.960 --> 00:59:16.800
<v Speaker 1>that could be possible.

949
00:59:17.599 --> 00:59:19.679
<v Speaker 2>I think that's such a great question because I think

950
00:59:19.800 --> 00:59:23.679
<v Speaker 2>I think we as scientists and science and investigators, and

951
00:59:23.719 --> 00:59:27.559
<v Speaker 2>I think what physics does is look at the observable

952
00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:30.920
<v Speaker 2>effects of the universe and name it. And I think

953
00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:35.679
<v Speaker 2>the term ether describes was ahead of its time. And

954
00:59:35.760 --> 00:59:40.639
<v Speaker 2>I think that as we discover the near field and

955
00:59:40.719 --> 00:59:44.840
<v Speaker 2>far field and sub atomic world is a is a

956
00:59:45.039 --> 00:59:51.119
<v Speaker 2>giant connected universe which is timeless, gravity less, and spaceless,

957
00:59:50.840 --> 00:59:55.360
<v Speaker 2>it suddenly is closer to the name ether that we

958
00:59:56.639 --> 01:00:00.480
<v Speaker 2>coined in the nineteenth century. And in fact, although that

959
01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:07.800
<v Speaker 2>name was dropped and we started talking about transmission by

960
01:00:08.559 --> 01:00:15.119
<v Speaker 2>radio over through our kind of big, big field space,

961
01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:20.400
<v Speaker 2>I think as we discovered quantum physics in the nineteen twenties,

962
01:00:20.719 --> 01:00:24.199
<v Speaker 2>that term should come back because I think there is

963
01:00:24.239 --> 01:00:27.239
<v Speaker 2>an ether. I think the ether is inside us all.

964
01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:31.239
<v Speaker 2>I think it's internal to our atomic structure. And I

965
01:00:31.280 --> 01:00:35.960
<v Speaker 2>think as people as beings or objects, and I don't

966
01:00:35.960 --> 01:00:39.880
<v Speaker 2>think humans are unique. I think humans we have a

967
01:00:39.920 --> 01:00:44.840
<v Speaker 2>consciousness because we're conscious of the ether, or we're conscious

968
01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:48.639
<v Speaker 2>of the quantum state. Now I think that anything that

969
01:00:48.840 --> 01:00:53.199
<v Speaker 2>is forefield, which is big stuff, might be aware or

970
01:00:53.239 --> 01:00:57.719
<v Speaker 2>could well have a system that is aware of a

971
01:00:57.840 --> 01:01:05.239
<v Speaker 2>larger connectivity. Birds example, are very high end quantum brains.

972
01:01:05.559 --> 01:01:10.039
<v Speaker 2>They can do calculations of navigation and direction finding and

973
01:01:10.159 --> 01:01:13.199
<v Speaker 2>other things. And in mythology, birds are seen as this

974
01:01:13.480 --> 01:01:18.760
<v Speaker 2>higher life forum than humans because they have they possibly

975
01:01:19.239 --> 01:01:22.719
<v Speaker 2>have a way of being much more connected to our

976
01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:25.719
<v Speaker 2>connected quantum ether.

977
01:01:27.159 --> 01:01:29.039
<v Speaker 1>Interesting, it's just my opinion.

978
01:01:29.440 --> 01:01:32.760
<v Speaker 2>No, it's not my opinion, and people are doing the research.

979
01:01:33.800 --> 01:01:36.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I to me, if there is an ether

980
01:01:37.000 --> 01:01:39.360
<v Speaker 1>and maybe like energy is coming from this and things

981
01:01:39.400 --> 01:01:41.679
<v Speaker 1>all points in space and time are really connected, then

982
01:01:41.719 --> 01:01:44.320
<v Speaker 1>to me, it really does broach the idea, well, where's

983
01:01:44.400 --> 01:01:47.199
<v Speaker 1>consciousness coming from? Is it coming from this ether? Is

984
01:01:47.199 --> 01:01:49.599
<v Speaker 1>there direct connection that we have to it?

985
01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:49.880
<v Speaker 2>Yes?

986
01:01:50.079 --> 01:01:51.920
<v Speaker 1>This is why I think the people that throw out

987
01:01:52.320 --> 01:01:54.559
<v Speaker 1>how Pudoff's research in the seventies because they go, oh,

988
01:01:54.599 --> 01:01:58.320
<v Speaker 1>remote viewings, psychic blah blah blah. Like I think that's

989
01:01:58.360 --> 01:02:02.920
<v Speaker 1>a little bit naive to do that, because that the

990
01:02:02.960 --> 01:02:05.280
<v Speaker 1>basis to that is that we think we understand everything

991
01:02:05.320 --> 01:02:07.559
<v Speaker 1>there is, but we have all these experiments like the

992
01:02:07.559 --> 01:02:11.840
<v Speaker 1>guns or nimens experiment that seem to counter indicate or

993
01:02:11.920 --> 01:02:16.039
<v Speaker 1>counteract or contradict our understanding. And I looked in the

994
01:02:16.039 --> 01:02:19.079
<v Speaker 1>Gunter nimts and in two thousand and five I think

995
01:02:19.119 --> 01:02:21.639
<v Speaker 1>he was he was supposed to do some type of

996
01:02:21.679 --> 01:02:24.519
<v Speaker 1>demonstration and he just never showed up. And it wasn't

997
01:02:24.599 --> 01:02:29.079
<v Speaker 1>until I think twenty nineteen that two I don't know

998
01:02:29.119 --> 01:02:32.559
<v Speaker 1>if they were students recreated the experiment and people have

999
01:02:32.679 --> 01:02:35.119
<v Speaker 1>tested it and some people say, well, the distance is

1000
01:02:35.159 --> 01:02:37.840
<v Speaker 1>so short that would basically be instantaneous, but we have

1001
01:02:37.960 --> 01:02:41.599
<v Speaker 1>detectors that can detect even you know, short distances like that,

1002
01:02:41.719 --> 01:02:43.679
<v Speaker 1>even at the speed of light, and they tested it

1003
01:02:43.719 --> 01:02:48.280
<v Speaker 1>and it was way too fast to be explained away

1004
01:02:48.320 --> 01:02:51.880
<v Speaker 1>as some sort of anomaly in the measurement apparatus. So

1005
01:02:52.199 --> 01:02:55.039
<v Speaker 1>what I think recently you did some kind of deep

1006
01:02:55.039 --> 01:02:57.159
<v Speaker 1>dive as well. Did you come to a similar conclusion

1007
01:02:57.199 --> 01:02:59.679
<v Speaker 1>that you know that that was actually his experiments it

1008
01:02:59.800 --> 01:03:00.559
<v Speaker 1>is was legit.

1009
01:03:01.719 --> 01:03:08.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I did, And I know somebody who was at

1010
01:03:08.079 --> 01:03:12.840
<v Speaker 2>the conference where gun turn limits turned up. He didn't

1011
01:03:13.000 --> 01:03:16.360
<v Speaker 2>want to go on stage that day, and he actually

1012
01:03:16.400 --> 01:03:22.400
<v Speaker 2>sent postgraduate students. He desperately wanted to communicate with European

1013
01:03:22.440 --> 01:03:26.400
<v Speaker 2>Readie telescope people, and the story that he didn't turn

1014
01:03:26.519 --> 01:03:32.320
<v Speaker 2>up is not true, and that is just literally not true.

1015
01:03:32.639 --> 01:03:37.840
<v Speaker 2>People did meet him that day, but he either it's

1016
01:03:37.880 --> 01:03:40.719
<v Speaker 2>badly reported or he didn't go on stage, or there's

1017
01:03:40.719 --> 01:03:44.519
<v Speaker 2>some confusion over that. And that was it was very

1018
01:03:44.599 --> 01:03:51.280
<v Speaker 2>much used against him. And it supposedly the bloke I

1019
01:03:51.400 --> 01:03:56.599
<v Speaker 2>know knows Guntu quite well and he was there, he

1020
01:03:56.760 --> 01:04:00.360
<v Speaker 2>just wasn't very public supposedly or I don't know really

1021
01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:05.639
<v Speaker 2>what happened. And through the postgraduate students that Cologne did

1022
01:04:05.920 --> 01:04:09.880
<v Speaker 2>demonstrate it. And the the one thing that Gunta Nimmitz

1023
01:04:10.079 --> 01:04:14.000
<v Speaker 2>really peed off the science community by saying faster than

1024
01:04:14.000 --> 01:04:17.679
<v Speaker 2>the speed of light FTL, and that really pissed people

1025
01:04:17.719 --> 01:04:23.320
<v Speaker 2>off because so much science is anchored on Einsteinian physics

1026
01:04:23.320 --> 01:04:27.679
<v Speaker 2>that the speed of light is a barrier and he

1027
01:04:29.199 --> 01:04:33.000
<v Speaker 2>was really wrong in saying that, and what he should

1028
01:04:33.039 --> 01:04:35.280
<v Speaker 2>have said, and what I'm going to say now is

1029
01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:41.960
<v Speaker 2>mind boggling. Okay, okay, So faster than the speed of

1030
01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:47.719
<v Speaker 2>light isn't possible in a framework of relativity of relativity.

1031
01:04:48.000 --> 01:04:51.519
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you can you can actually possibly go faster

1032
01:04:51.599 --> 01:04:53.440
<v Speaker 2>than you can appear to be going faster than the

1033
01:04:53.480 --> 01:04:57.639
<v Speaker 2>speed of light in a relative sense. No, I'm talking shite.

1034
01:04:57.840 --> 01:05:01.320
<v Speaker 2>Let me say a different way. What guntern Limits did

1035
01:05:01.400 --> 01:05:06.599
<v Speaker 2>with his with his with his quantum communication, and that

1036
01:05:06.679 --> 01:05:10.639
<v Speaker 2>word is also misused, is he found that it wasn't

1037
01:05:11.119 --> 01:05:15.559
<v Speaker 2>faster than the speed of light. It's instantaneous. There is

1038
01:05:15.599 --> 01:05:18.880
<v Speaker 2>no speed. That's what he should have said. That's what

1039
01:05:18.920 --> 01:05:23.719
<v Speaker 2>my contact said. As soon as he said FDL, he

1040
01:05:23.840 --> 01:05:28.719
<v Speaker 2>got laughed at because it still implies a speed. But

1041
01:05:28.800 --> 01:05:33.199
<v Speaker 2>in fact what he found was it enters an exit simultaneously.

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<v Speaker 2>He described it like I said, like pushing on the

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<v Speaker 2>end of a rod. Or I used a demonstration which

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01:05:39.400 --> 01:05:42.920
<v Speaker 2>obviously isn't the same, but it's a good demonstration of

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01:05:43.079 --> 01:05:46.119
<v Speaker 2>those Newton's balls where you pull one out and it

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01:05:46.199 --> 01:05:49.000
<v Speaker 2>hits and the one at the end flies out and it

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01:05:49.079 --> 01:05:52.440
<v Speaker 2>goes like that. Now there is a shock wave of

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01:05:52.480 --> 01:05:55.599
<v Speaker 2>gravity on Earth making that happen, and it's just very

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01:05:55.599 --> 01:05:58.320
<v Speaker 2>fast and we don't see it. But it's a good

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01:05:58.679 --> 01:06:03.000
<v Speaker 2>analogy to what good To actually is demonstrating you put

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01:06:03.000 --> 01:06:06.199
<v Speaker 2>the signal in and it comes out the other end

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01:06:06.719 --> 01:06:09.320
<v Speaker 2>at the same time. There isn't a weekly bit in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle quantum entanglement.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the only explanation I can come up with for.

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<v Speaker 2>That connectivity entanglement, Yeah, quantum entanglement, two good words. But

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01:06:22.119 --> 01:06:25.880
<v Speaker 2>we you know, science and physicists is continually redefining how

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01:06:25.960 --> 01:06:31.000
<v Speaker 2>we describe what we're observing. And as you said, what

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<v Speaker 2>Russell targ and how put Off we're doing through it

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01:06:34.800 --> 01:06:39.880
<v Speaker 2>with SRI and remote viewing was an application of quantum entanglement.

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<v Speaker 2>But at the time, you know they were doing it

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<v Speaker 2>as an application for the CIA, I mean because it

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<v Speaker 2>was a way of exploiting a looking into the future,

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01:06:52.519 --> 01:06:57.280
<v Speaker 2>never looking remotely, but remotely into the future. And so

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<v Speaker 2>at the time, is that fully understood of what this

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01:07:02.599 --> 01:07:05.719
<v Speaker 2>how it really worked. I don't think it was. I think,

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01:07:06.519 --> 01:07:09.880
<v Speaker 2>well put Offs pretty smart, so touric, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>only now are we understanding the quantum mechanics of the

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01:07:16.239 --> 01:07:20.519
<v Speaker 2>near field that they exploited. And I think that's what

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<v Speaker 2>you I everybody who's ever had an anesthetic is it

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01:07:27.360 --> 01:07:35.400
<v Speaker 2>is being demonstrated. Anestesiology is a way of dampening consciousness.

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<v Speaker 2>And the thing that the way that anesthetics work are

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<v Speaker 2>really strange, and there's a link between how our brain

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01:07:43.440 --> 01:07:47.840
<v Speaker 2>works under anesthesia and how what structures in our brain

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01:07:48.320 --> 01:07:51.679
<v Speaker 2>might be in touch with the near field quantum world.

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<v Speaker 2>Now if we when we unpick that mystery and it's

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01:07:56.039 --> 01:08:00.800
<v Speaker 2>going on right now, we've unlocked a way of communication,

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01:08:01.320 --> 01:08:08.840
<v Speaker 2>time travel, traveling faster than we want instantaneously maybe, and

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01:08:09.199 --> 01:08:13.639
<v Speaker 2>incredible distance communication. And I think in twenty twenty four

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01:08:14.320 --> 01:08:18.640
<v Speaker 2>we are living in an interesting time. We definitely have

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<v Speaker 2>confirmation of ET although SETI and Brits are listening to

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01:08:23.199 --> 01:08:25.600
<v Speaker 2>other groups are shy of saying it because they don't

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01:08:25.600 --> 01:08:28.199
<v Speaker 2>want to be ridiculed. That's what I hear, and I

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01:08:28.239 --> 01:08:34.079
<v Speaker 2>think that we're also there's large investments right now into ether,

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01:08:34.720 --> 01:08:40.760
<v Speaker 2>quantum communication and time time manipulation.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. Yeh, that's really interesting and I want to kind

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01:08:45.760 --> 01:08:47.199
<v Speaker 1>of change gears a little bit. But that that was

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01:08:47.239 --> 01:08:50.359
<v Speaker 1>an awesome discussion and I'm really happy to hear it.

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01:08:51.319 --> 01:08:54.279
<v Speaker 1>I'm happy to hear the thing about gun or Nimits

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01:08:54.920 --> 01:08:57.680
<v Speaker 1>because I just read Wikipedia that said that he didn't

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01:08:57.680 --> 01:08:59.640
<v Speaker 1>show up, and that goes a show you probably shouldn't

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01:08:59.680 --> 01:09:03.199
<v Speaker 1>read believe Wikipedia. Sure, but one last question on that

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01:09:03.239 --> 01:09:05.079
<v Speaker 1>from and I want to talk about one last topic.

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01:09:06.720 --> 01:09:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Why do you think he hasn't been more outspoken? I mean,

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01:09:09.000 --> 01:09:12.039
<v Speaker 1>it's twenty twenty four, Like that's such a breakthrough thing,

1095
01:09:12.079 --> 01:09:13.199
<v Speaker 1>and I think it was like two thousand and five,

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01:09:13.239 --> 01:09:14.319
<v Speaker 1>as almost twenty years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a good question. I don't know. I've reached

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01:09:18.159 --> 01:09:22.159
<v Speaker 2>out to him and his family, and he's late eighties,

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01:09:22.159 --> 01:09:25.039
<v Speaker 2>early nineties and doesn't want to talk about it. I

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01:09:25.079 --> 01:09:28.159
<v Speaker 2>think the universe. Oh, if you go to Cologne and

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01:09:28.199 --> 01:09:31.119
<v Speaker 2>you go to his physics department, there's people there who

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01:09:31.159 --> 01:09:34.760
<v Speaker 2>will talk about it. In German, we feel free to

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01:09:34.840 --> 01:09:38.520
<v Speaker 2>go and talk to them. That there is in that

1104
01:09:38.720 --> 01:09:42.960
<v Speaker 2>university in the hallway. Is the good tournament's original kit?

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01:09:43.479 --> 01:09:46.399
<v Speaker 2>Really very Yeah, they're very proud of it. This is

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01:09:46.720 --> 01:09:52.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, we are still Heathens. We still ignore people

1107
01:09:52.199 --> 01:09:56.199
<v Speaker 2>who talk French or German. I mean, get a life,

1108
01:09:56.319 --> 01:10:00.279
<v Speaker 2>people use Google Translate. I mean, honestly, I mean so

1109
01:10:00.399 --> 01:10:03.640
<v Speaker 2>much science has been limited over the years by language.

1110
01:10:03.920 --> 01:10:10.479
<v Speaker 2>And I think that there's quite a good reason that

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01:10:10.520 --> 01:10:14.760
<v Speaker 2>I can't actually tell you about what the outcome of

1112
01:10:14.800 --> 01:10:19.039
<v Speaker 2>putting the nimits receivers on the telescopes. And I think

1113
01:10:19.119 --> 01:10:25.000
<v Speaker 2>that is also connected with with SETI and Britz are listen,

1114
01:10:25.239 --> 01:10:30.560
<v Speaker 2>not wanting to spill the beans quite yet. Although I

1115
01:10:30.600 --> 01:10:35.760
<v Speaker 2>think we're a in a stage politically where humans are ready.

1116
01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:38.960
<v Speaker 2>I think you with these drones. I think, if it's et,

1117
01:10:39.239 --> 01:10:42.359
<v Speaker 2>if we definitely confirm u AP are real, we know

1118
01:10:42.399 --> 01:10:44.880
<v Speaker 2>you are p are real all over the world. I

1119
01:10:44.920 --> 01:10:49.319
<v Speaker 2>think we are now smart enough not to be war

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01:10:49.359 --> 01:10:54.279
<v Speaker 2>of the world's panicked. And I think we should start

1121
01:10:54.720 --> 01:10:58.359
<v Speaker 2>hearing these things, and I think people should be open

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01:10:58.399 --> 01:10:59.560
<v Speaker 2>to the idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, so let me ask you this, what is your

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01:11:03.720 --> 01:11:08.119
<v Speaker 1>favorite non human intelligence hypothesis? Presumably you're familiar with all

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01:11:08.159 --> 01:11:10.439
<v Speaker 1>different options. I'll throw a few out there. Some people

1126
01:11:10.479 --> 01:11:14.960
<v Speaker 1>said stuff like future humans, demons, angels. Of course, extraterrestrials

1127
01:11:15.039 --> 01:11:19.439
<v Speaker 1>is an option. Ultraterrestrials. You know, there's a lot of

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01:11:19.439 --> 01:11:22.800
<v Speaker 1>different options out there AI things like that. What is

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01:11:22.800 --> 01:11:24.159
<v Speaker 1>your favorite theory?

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01:11:26.079 --> 01:11:29.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, I've got quite a few, really, I mean, I

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01:11:29.920 --> 01:11:34.319
<v Speaker 2>think I'm open to all of them. I'm not particularly closed.

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01:11:34.399 --> 01:11:38.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean I start thinking that even you know, as

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01:11:38.840 --> 01:11:42.199
<v Speaker 2>you say, demons and angels and things, might be a

1134
01:11:42.199 --> 01:11:45.199
<v Speaker 2>way of interpreting things that people you know, to put

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01:11:45.239 --> 01:11:49.159
<v Speaker 2>them in more human terms. I think there's life in

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01:11:49.239 --> 01:11:53.399
<v Speaker 2>our universe. It's so unlikely that there isn't salient life

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01:11:53.399 --> 01:11:56.760
<v Speaker 2>out there or biological life of some type or very

1138
01:11:56.760 --> 01:12:03.800
<v Speaker 2>different life. I think that it is quite unlikely that

1139
01:12:04.079 --> 01:12:12.119
<v Speaker 2>living extraterrestrials necessarily need to visit planets Earth in our atmosphere.

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01:12:12.560 --> 01:12:15.680
<v Speaker 2>I think it's quite likely more likely that they would

1141
01:12:15.720 --> 01:12:19.119
<v Speaker 2>send if they're interested in US, and I think we

1142
01:12:19.279 --> 01:12:24.239
<v Speaker 2>might be vaguely interesting that they would send a mechanical

1143
01:12:24.840 --> 01:12:29.319
<v Speaker 2>probe that would circle the Sun for power, communicate between

1144
01:12:29.399 --> 01:12:33.640
<v Speaker 2>stars to make a network, or beyond the rings of

1145
01:12:33.720 --> 01:12:38.239
<v Speaker 2>Saturn or the Moon, or maybe a couple of objects

1146
01:12:38.279 --> 01:12:40.920
<v Speaker 2>have been put in the ocean. Why not drop a

1147
01:12:40.920 --> 01:12:45.840
<v Speaker 2>couple in the Pacific. But they're not flying around. But

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01:12:46.359 --> 01:12:49.960
<v Speaker 2>what are you ap? I mean, uap are real? There's

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01:12:50.039 --> 01:12:53.600
<v Speaker 2>country's you know. I'm always shouting this, you know. The

1150
01:12:53.920 --> 01:12:58.199
<v Speaker 2>Britain officially said u ap are real in two thousand

1151
01:12:58.319 --> 01:13:01.560
<v Speaker 2>with a Condact report, and for and Brazil have said

1152
01:13:01.600 --> 01:13:04.760
<v Speaker 2>the same. It's only the US are still debating it.

1153
01:13:04.920 --> 01:13:09.479
<v Speaker 2>You know, get a life. Although on the other hand,

1154
01:13:09.680 --> 01:13:12.640
<v Speaker 2>it's the US who came up with the six observables,

1155
01:13:13.079 --> 01:13:16.960
<v Speaker 2>five observables and the sixth of human injury, which is interesting,

1156
01:13:17.479 --> 01:13:24.359
<v Speaker 2>and those observables were were coined by US defense contractors,

1157
01:13:25.039 --> 01:13:29.279
<v Speaker 2>so they know U apr real. It's just that it's

1158
01:13:29.319 --> 01:13:33.199
<v Speaker 2>not quite reached Washington yet. And the public in Britain,

1159
01:13:33.239 --> 01:13:36.640
<v Speaker 2>everybody knows you apr real. I mean in France you

1160
01:13:36.720 --> 01:13:41.039
<v Speaker 2>can go. I can literally tell my local police officer

1161
01:13:41.319 --> 01:13:43.920
<v Speaker 2>and he would file a report with the French government

1162
01:13:44.560 --> 01:13:47.119
<v Speaker 2>that would go on a database and they're not going,

1163
01:13:47.439 --> 01:13:50.359
<v Speaker 2>you're mad, you know, you saw something crazy? You know,

1164
01:13:50.640 --> 01:13:53.359
<v Speaker 2>they would just say, yeah, where do you see it? Yeah,

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01:13:54.000 --> 01:13:56.800
<v Speaker 2>it's and they would assess it and they would look

1166
01:13:56.840 --> 01:14:02.159
<v Speaker 2>at other sightings. So oh yeah, we there's things in

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01:14:02.199 --> 01:14:06.359
<v Speaker 2>the sky, there's things visiting us. I think it's unlikely

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01:14:06.439 --> 01:14:08.600
<v Speaker 2>to be living creatures. I think it's more likely to

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01:14:08.640 --> 01:14:12.560
<v Speaker 2>be either multi dimensional things that can go very fast.

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01:14:13.119 --> 01:14:16.439
<v Speaker 2>I think I think, oh do you know the whole

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01:14:18.359 --> 01:14:21.239
<v Speaker 2>blue shift?

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01:14:21.319 --> 01:14:23.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? How put Off mentioned that in a video I

1173
01:14:23.479 --> 01:14:26.640
<v Speaker 1>was watching that. Yes, way, I think it's like the

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01:14:26.680 --> 01:14:30.319
<v Speaker 1>way they're manipulating like space time causes a blue shift

1175
01:14:30.359 --> 01:14:33.920
<v Speaker 1>effect which can push you, like the magnetic waves into

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01:14:34.000 --> 01:14:36.199
<v Speaker 1>the visible frequency range, or it can push it to

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01:14:36.239 --> 01:14:38.199
<v Speaker 1>the ultra violet where it might give you burns. Is

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01:14:38.199 --> 01:14:39.079
<v Speaker 1>that where you're getting at.

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01:14:39.359 --> 01:14:44.239
<v Speaker 2>Or higher into even more dangerous frictions? Is Yes, that

1180
01:14:44.479 --> 01:14:47.920
<v Speaker 2>very that very talk that you gave, which is very interesting.

1181
01:14:49.279 --> 01:14:54.199
<v Speaker 2>It turns out that what he's saying isn't speculative. If

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01:14:54.239 --> 01:15:00.760
<v Speaker 2>you do a warp drive, the frequencies counter intuitively blue

1183
01:15:00.760 --> 01:15:04.520
<v Speaker 2>shifts when an object is departing rather than red shift,

1184
01:15:04.640 --> 01:15:07.199
<v Speaker 2>which you would expect when it was going away. And

1185
01:15:07.239 --> 01:15:12.239
<v Speaker 2>there's definite huh evidence of people who have been injured

1186
01:15:12.359 --> 01:15:16.960
<v Speaker 2>by frequencies that have suddenly gone up. I mean, sunburn

1187
01:15:17.319 --> 01:15:20.319
<v Speaker 2>is a classic thing. I mean, we saw that in movies,

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01:15:20.399 --> 01:15:25.119
<v Speaker 2>but movies often have very good science advisors. And some

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01:15:25.159 --> 01:15:28.800
<v Speaker 2>of the injuries at Rendalstrom Forest were from high frequencies,

1190
01:15:29.199 --> 01:15:33.720
<v Speaker 2>and those high frequencies could easily been produced by something

1191
01:15:33.840 --> 01:15:38.319
<v Speaker 2>departing and going out of the visible spectrum into the

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01:15:38.439 --> 01:15:41.399
<v Speaker 2>UV or even beyond that to the point where they

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01:15:41.439 --> 01:15:45.479
<v Speaker 2>become you know, ionizing frequencies.

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01:15:45.800 --> 01:15:49.000
<v Speaker 1>And so yeah, yeah, that takes me to the last

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01:15:49.079 --> 01:15:50.560
<v Speaker 1>kind of topic that I wanted to talk to you about,

1196
01:15:50.600 --> 01:15:52.399
<v Speaker 1>which is more people related to help you off. I

1197
01:15:52.399 --> 01:15:54.439
<v Speaker 1>don't know how everybody out there's relayed him, but he

1198
01:15:54.479 --> 01:15:57.680
<v Speaker 1>also worked with the guy at SRI named Ken Shoulders

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<v Speaker 1>in the late in the late eighties. Ken Shoulders discovered

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01:16:01.279 --> 01:16:05.199
<v Speaker 1>exotic vacuum objects, which he said were balls of plasma

1201
01:16:05.239 --> 01:16:09.079
<v Speaker 1>that were self organizing into a sphere and self sustaining,

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01:16:09.119 --> 01:16:11.560
<v Speaker 1>and he called them exotic vacuum objects because he thought

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01:16:11.600 --> 01:16:15.640
<v Speaker 1>they were cohering energy directly from the vacuum. And then

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01:16:15.680 --> 01:16:19.359
<v Speaker 1>another guy named Eric W. Davis, who is actually hal

1205
01:16:19.439 --> 01:16:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Pudoff's number two guide chief science officer at EarthTech right now,

1206
01:16:25.439 --> 01:16:27.600
<v Speaker 1>wrote a paper in two thousand and four called Ball

1207
01:16:27.680 --> 01:16:30.439
<v Speaker 1>Lightning Study, which was something I had never understood, but

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01:16:30.520 --> 01:16:33.760
<v Speaker 1>when you read it, you realize he's talking about balls

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01:16:33.760 --> 01:16:37.760
<v Speaker 1>of plasma and ways you can use them to extract energy.

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01:16:37.960 --> 01:16:39.920
<v Speaker 1>Now I look at this whole drone situation that we

1211
01:16:39.920 --> 01:16:41.880
<v Speaker 1>were talking about at the beginning of the interview, and

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01:16:41.920 --> 01:16:44.600
<v Speaker 1>I kind of wonder, like, are we using the word

1213
01:16:44.720 --> 01:16:48.640
<v Speaker 1>drone in to be kind of a little bit misleading,

1214
01:16:48.720 --> 01:16:51.279
<v Speaker 1>Because now if I piece things together, I go, well,

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01:16:51.279 --> 01:16:54.159
<v Speaker 1>we've got this guy Ken Shoulders who said we can

1216
01:16:54.159 --> 01:16:57.479
<v Speaker 1>make these balls of plasma. You've got Eric Davis going

1217
01:16:57.520 --> 01:16:59.920
<v Speaker 1>and explaining how we can stabilize them using for enny.

1218
01:17:00.399 --> 01:17:02.920
<v Speaker 1>And then you've got how putoff was a communication pattern

1219
01:17:03.159 --> 01:17:06.239
<v Speaker 1>that is like a gravity communication pat device that can

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01:17:06.560 --> 01:17:09.239
<v Speaker 1>go through plasma. It says right in the abstract goes

1221
01:17:09.239 --> 01:17:12.439
<v Speaker 1>through plasma. I go, huh, could we make a plasma

1222
01:17:12.520 --> 01:17:16.159
<v Speaker 1>drone that we could just float around out there? What

1223
01:17:16.199 --> 01:17:18.880
<v Speaker 1>are your thoughts on that? And then the other question

1224
01:17:19.039 --> 01:17:22.279
<v Speaker 1>is great, do you think plasma, if it is like

1225
01:17:22.359 --> 01:17:25.680
<v Speaker 1>this thing that can float freely and doesn't break apart,

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01:17:25.920 --> 01:17:27.760
<v Speaker 1>do you think something like that could be conscious? Could

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<v Speaker 1>it be a life form?

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01:17:28.840 --> 01:17:36.840
<v Speaker 2>Ah? Yes, plasma is conscious. Plasma, the fourth stage of

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01:17:36.880 --> 01:17:40.880
<v Speaker 2>matter is the most common state of matter in our universe.

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01:17:43.119 --> 01:17:47.600
<v Speaker 2>The results of many UAP studies, and I think Havy

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01:17:47.680 --> 01:17:51.079
<v Speaker 2>Lobe and the content and report certainly will the content

1232
01:17:51.199 --> 01:17:54.000
<v Speaker 2>report confirmed it. And I think eventually AFI will have

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01:17:54.359 --> 01:17:58.960
<v Speaker 2>observatories that will observe plasma because that's what people see.

1234
01:17:59.439 --> 01:18:04.800
<v Speaker 2>But what plasma and is plasma a conscious being? Well,

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01:18:05.039 --> 01:18:10.600
<v Speaker 2>I heard that plasma has will do a lot of

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01:18:10.600 --> 01:18:14.000
<v Speaker 2>people who've come across ball lightning, which is a natural

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01:18:14.000 --> 01:18:19.079
<v Speaker 2>form of plasma that is formed by high energy electrostatic

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01:18:19.359 --> 01:18:22.359
<v Speaker 2>forces here on Earth. I found that if you approach

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01:18:23.000 --> 01:18:27.560
<v Speaker 2>a natural form of ball lightning, it will take evasive action. Now,

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01:18:28.119 --> 01:18:34.159
<v Speaker 2>the evasive action protocol is a form of higher consciousness.

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01:18:35.760 --> 01:18:43.920
<v Speaker 2>So does plasma have a way of tapping into the

1242
01:18:44.920 --> 01:18:49.720
<v Speaker 2>quantum world where everything is connected. It seems that it

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01:18:49.760 --> 01:18:52.439
<v Speaker 2>could be. I can't think that we as humans are

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01:18:52.479 --> 01:18:57.560
<v Speaker 2>the only conscious beings. I think plasma itself seems to

1245
01:18:57.600 --> 01:19:00.359
<v Speaker 2>demonstrate in the way that we see it moving and

1246
01:19:00.439 --> 01:19:03.800
<v Speaker 2>taking you know, you go up. Pilots have come to

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<v Speaker 2>have approached plasma things and they seem to move away,

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<v Speaker 2>not through gravity or way or wind or any thing,

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<v Speaker 2>but I mean, actually it seems to take avasive action.

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<v Speaker 2>The interesting thing about plasma which really fascinates me is

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<v Speaker 2>what is plasma and how does plasma stay in an

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01:19:28.279 --> 01:19:33.000
<v Speaker 2>ionized state in our atmosphere? And I think the most

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01:19:33.000 --> 01:19:36.119
<v Speaker 2>interesting thing about plasma, and it is my plasma demonstration,

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01:19:36.880 --> 01:19:40.760
<v Speaker 2>is the center of a ball of plasma is just

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01:19:41.000 --> 01:19:46.319
<v Speaker 2>deionized normal say atmosphere in our atmosphere, and it's desperate

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01:19:46.640 --> 01:19:51.399
<v Speaker 2>to re join and not be ionized and get backed

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01:19:51.399 --> 01:19:54.840
<v Speaker 2>into its stable forum. But there's so much energy in

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01:19:54.880 --> 01:19:58.319
<v Speaker 2>the ball of plasma that when it changes back near

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01:19:58.359 --> 01:20:01.720
<v Speaker 2>the edges the periphery of the energy field, it has

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01:20:01.760 --> 01:20:06.680
<v Speaker 2>to throw away the energy in the electrons to rejoin

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01:20:07.039 --> 01:20:11.359
<v Speaker 2>the protons, and that is light. So plasma has this

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01:20:11.520 --> 01:20:17.199
<v Speaker 2>luminosity around its circumference of a sphere, and that light,

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01:20:17.279 --> 01:20:19.680
<v Speaker 2>of course, can be manipulated by the different types of

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<v Speaker 2>plasma you ulbeke, so you can make different things to

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<v Speaker 2>different color. And I think plasma is very, very studied

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<v Speaker 2>and very interesting. I think the other thing about plasma is,

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<v Speaker 2>imagine a laser pointer. You can direct a plasma weapon

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<v Speaker 2>there and there, and so some of the effects that

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<v Speaker 2>we've seen from UAPs that seem to do fast or

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<v Speaker 2>very fast maneuvering could be in fact a plasma effect.

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<v Speaker 1>The bubble explanation you gave there is almost exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>Ken's Shoulders would describe is a permitivity transition where you're

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<v Speaker 1>making a bubble in spacetime, and that's why they don't escape,

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<v Speaker 1>that's why it stays coherent. And it actually, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it will give off light as well exactly, but it

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<v Speaker 1>may not look exactly like a light bulb because of

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01:21:13.520 --> 01:21:17.760
<v Speaker 1>it may like I think that there was a yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's the UFO hearing where they mentioned too that somewhat

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<v Speaker 1>people were noticing these balls of energy had almost like

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<v Speaker 1>a dull light to them, like a roiling of the sun.

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<v Speaker 1>I think was how it was described. It kind of

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01:21:31.880 --> 01:21:34.159
<v Speaker 1>made me think about that where it's like maybe it's

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01:21:34.159 --> 01:21:36.840
<v Speaker 1>a luminous thing, but not exactly luminous like we would

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<v Speaker 1>see you with like a light bulb. And it was

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<v Speaker 1>Jacket Champion nineteen ninety two paper Force Free Time Harmonic

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<v Speaker 1>Plasmoids as well that said that you can manipulate the

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01:21:48.680 --> 01:21:51.359
<v Speaker 1>pointing vector and what this will do is basically keep

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<v Speaker 1>it self contained so that there is an energy radiating outward,

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<v Speaker 1>which I just thought was amazing because between Eric Davis,

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01:21:59.279 --> 01:22:03.359
<v Speaker 1>Jacknet Champion and these papers are Air Force research Lab papers.

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<v Speaker 1>This is like, you know, random scientists that are out there.

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<v Speaker 1>So the government was taking it seriously. And the last

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<v Speaker 1>thing I'll say on it before I get feedback is

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<v Speaker 1>that I was reading this book by Lynn McTaggart and

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<v Speaker 1>she mentions ken shoulders and help putoff working on these

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01:22:19.159 --> 01:22:23.640
<v Speaker 1>balls of plasma, and she says that the governments actually

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<v Speaker 1>gave it one of the highest priorities for research. One

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<v Speaker 1>year it was like the third highest priority, next to

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<v Speaker 1>like D two bombers and things like that, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the next year they upgraded it to the second highest

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<v Speaker 1>priority of all the research things, which is essentially trying

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01:22:37.319 --> 01:22:39.359
<v Speaker 1>to figure out how these balls of plasma worked and

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01:22:39.359 --> 01:22:42.520
<v Speaker 1>if we could extract energy from them, pretty incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's precisely what the physics community, through the Defense

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01:22:46.359 --> 01:22:49.560
<v Speaker 2>Department in Europe have been doing ever since the mot

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01:22:50.720 --> 01:22:58.840
<v Speaker 2>Content report actually recognized that plasma ionized effects could could

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<v Speaker 2>be the source of UAP. The report goes on to say,

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<v Speaker 2>we need to open up vast areas of research into

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01:23:07.000 --> 01:23:11.279
<v Speaker 2>utilizing plasma effects. The other amazing thing about plasma is

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01:23:11.319 --> 01:23:15.399
<v Speaker 2>because you've stripped apart normal atoms and you've now got

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<v Speaker 2>a negatively charged and a positively charged piece of the

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01:23:19.159 --> 01:23:23.840
<v Speaker 2>sub atomic particle which is stripped apart, it's magnetic, so

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01:23:23.960 --> 01:23:28.399
<v Speaker 2>you can then manipulate it with magnetism, so you can

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01:23:28.439 --> 01:23:32.359
<v Speaker 2>steer it like a beam in a cathedral TV. You

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01:23:32.399 --> 01:23:35.159
<v Speaker 2>can do lots of things with plasma. You can change

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<v Speaker 2>its shape, you can draw it, you can draw lines

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01:23:39.159 --> 01:23:42.520
<v Speaker 2>with it, you can send it in volumetric space, and

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01:23:42.640 --> 01:23:46.760
<v Speaker 2>you can also change its color. And certainly we've seen

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01:23:47.039 --> 01:23:52.880
<v Speaker 2>applications of that for countermeasures for aircraft, the concept of

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01:23:52.920 --> 01:23:56.039
<v Speaker 2>the loyal wingman or the ghost plane. So now you

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01:23:56.079 --> 01:24:03.399
<v Speaker 2>can project a fleet of of aircraft only one is

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01:24:03.439 --> 01:24:09.680
<v Speaker 2>real and you've got these these appear totally solid other aircraft,

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01:24:09.880 --> 01:24:12.399
<v Speaker 2>which could be very good. They also have the heat

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01:24:12.439 --> 01:24:17.000
<v Speaker 2>signature and the radar signature of your real aircraft, so

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01:24:17.079 --> 01:24:21.439
<v Speaker 2>they can be a countermeasure to air to air or

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01:24:21.520 --> 01:24:26.760
<v Speaker 2>surface to air missiles. And the technology to make that

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01:24:26.880 --> 01:24:30.279
<v Speaker 2>happen was all to do came very much out of

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01:24:30.319 --> 01:24:34.439
<v Speaker 2>the plasma research and very very much. You're gonna like

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01:24:34.560 --> 01:24:37.760
<v Speaker 2>this session, and there's no way you can do that

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01:24:38.399 --> 01:24:43.840
<v Speaker 2>unless you have an incredible power source to actually produce

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01:24:43.880 --> 01:24:48.960
<v Speaker 2>an ionized plasma effects. Because plasma in our atmosphere, you know,

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01:24:49.399 --> 01:24:52.720
<v Speaker 2>it loses its power very quickly, so you need to

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01:24:52.760 --> 01:24:58.079
<v Speaker 2>have some very strong condensed power power sources. What the

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<v Speaker 2>power you you just go or what the power source

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01:25:01.239 --> 01:25:03.279
<v Speaker 2>is for that and how they built it, and you

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01:25:03.359 --> 01:25:04.960
<v Speaker 2>unlock a lot of secrets.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's my favorite question to ask, is what is

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<v Speaker 1>the power source for this UFO flying around in the sky?

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01:25:12.119 --> 01:25:13.119
<v Speaker 1>How's that thing floating?

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01:25:13.319 --> 01:25:13.520
<v Speaker 2>For you?

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01:25:13.800 --> 01:25:16.880
<v Speaker 1>Just that question, Yeah, that's a question everybody should be

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01:25:16.880 --> 01:25:20.079
<v Speaker 1>asking out there. That's the one that breaks through all

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01:25:20.199 --> 01:25:23.600
<v Speaker 1>the misinformation what have you, because it's such an important

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01:25:23.640 --> 01:25:26.840
<v Speaker 1>question for us to understand how the physics of these

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01:25:26.840 --> 01:25:29.279
<v Speaker 1>things is working out there and to your point, and.

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<v Speaker 2>It is physics. That's the other thing I'd like to say. Sorry,

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01:25:31.960 --> 01:25:35.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm really shouting. Oh so so many people say, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it breaks the laws of fucking physics. No it doesn't,

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01:25:38.399 --> 01:25:42.439
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't. These are these are known physics that are

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01:25:42.439 --> 01:25:46.520
<v Speaker 2>being exploited in interesting ways and it doesn't break any laws.

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<v Speaker 2>And as you say, we need a power source, you know,

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01:25:49.800 --> 01:25:53.000
<v Speaker 2>find the effing power source. How do you condense that

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01:25:53.159 --> 01:25:57.039
<v Speaker 2>much energy into something small enough to be deployable in

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01:25:57.119 --> 01:26:00.600
<v Speaker 2>a pod under an airplane, or or or as a

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01:26:00.760 --> 01:26:03.479
<v Speaker 2>em weapon on the in the field, in a container

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01:26:04.279 --> 01:26:06.960
<v Speaker 2>or on the back of a truck. Yeah, no, look

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01:26:07.079 --> 01:26:08.920
<v Speaker 2>into power sources, folks.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And Salvatar pais actually on interview he did with

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01:26:13.239 --> 01:26:16.600
<v Speaker 1>Tim Ventura specifically said you should be thinking in the

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<v Speaker 1>terms of cold plasmas, and how do we make cold plasma?

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<v Speaker 1>He goes, uh, femtosecond Ato second lasers and you go

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01:26:25.079 --> 01:26:29.039
<v Speaker 1>and realize. Oh. In twenty twenty three, the Nobel Prize

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01:26:29.079 --> 01:26:31.960
<v Speaker 1>winner in physics was for Ato second lasers. This is

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<v Speaker 1>important because the faster your pulsive laser, the higher the energy.

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<v Speaker 1>So you could imagine that you could use something like

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<v Speaker 1>that to strip the electrons off of your molecules and

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<v Speaker 1>then do what you were talking about, separate it out,

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01:26:46.039 --> 01:26:50.399
<v Speaker 1>and plasma can achieve energy densities that are far superior

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<v Speaker 1>to any.

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01:26:51.560 --> 01:26:54.479
<v Speaker 2>Retain them and keep them. They can be they can

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<v Speaker 2>be a battery as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean so yeah, it's basically a floating battery that's

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01:26:58.479 --> 01:27:01.600
<v Speaker 1>going around. They're very highly And this is where you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't need to get into this in this conversation,

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01:27:03.279 --> 01:27:04.560
<v Speaker 1>but maybe we can do a follow up some time.

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01:27:04.680 --> 01:27:06.640
<v Speaker 1>Is that you start to wonder when you think about

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01:27:06.680 --> 01:27:11.079
<v Speaker 1>these huge charge densities in these plasmas, you go, well,

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01:27:11.399 --> 01:27:14.479
<v Speaker 1>how close are we getting here to like unlimited energy

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01:27:14.560 --> 01:27:17.680
<v Speaker 1>access right like this? What is that power source? If

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<v Speaker 1>there is an external input like ether, for example, then

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01:27:22.640 --> 01:27:26.800
<v Speaker 1>that would be far superior to solar power or wind

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01:27:26.880 --> 01:27:28.560
<v Speaker 1>power because it's ours there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, no, I completely agree, And I think the

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<v Speaker 2>other if you the biggest what's the yeah, good question,

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01:27:36.159 --> 01:27:39.600
<v Speaker 2>what's the biggest department in the Pentagon. I'll just tell

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01:27:39.640 --> 01:27:42.680
<v Speaker 2>you the biggest department in the Pentagon is the people

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01:27:42.680 --> 01:27:46.199
<v Speaker 2>who organize the fuel to go and fight wars. You know,

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01:27:46.199 --> 01:27:48.760
<v Speaker 2>if they have to plan five years ahead to put

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01:27:48.800 --> 01:27:55.359
<v Speaker 2>in super tankers and pipelines to put you know, gasoline

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01:27:55.439 --> 01:28:02.800
<v Speaker 2>for humvies. But imagine if you could have a deployable

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01:28:03.560 --> 01:28:06.359
<v Speaker 2>in a foreign country that you're fighting a war that

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01:28:06.479 --> 01:28:11.479
<v Speaker 2>doesn't use fossil fuel. And that's amazingly being developed right

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01:28:11.520 --> 01:28:15.840
<v Speaker 2>now is the wireless transmission of power. And it's not

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01:28:16.159 --> 01:28:20.640
<v Speaker 2>what you think. It's much more exotic, and you know,

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01:28:20.680 --> 01:28:22.800
<v Speaker 2>it needs to be secure. It can't be hacked, it

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01:28:22.800 --> 01:28:25.319
<v Speaker 2>can't be switched off. And there's an awful lot of

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01:28:25.359 --> 01:28:26.239
<v Speaker 2>research into that.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. Yeah, and I think people should also wonder why

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01:28:30.680 --> 01:28:33.079
<v Speaker 1>is that the Department of Energy in the United States

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01:28:33.119 --> 01:28:35.800
<v Speaker 1>is the top dog when it comes to the UFO phenomenon.

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01:28:36.600 --> 01:28:39.039
<v Speaker 1>That's pretty odd, right, because it all comes back to

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01:28:39.039 --> 01:28:42.560
<v Speaker 1>what you said, the energy. To me, that's the real

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01:28:43.279 --> 01:28:46.960
<v Speaker 1>crown jewel of the UFO phenomenon, although Aliens is of

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01:28:47.000 --> 01:28:51.399
<v Speaker 1>course intriguing, but the energy source, exotic energy source to

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01:28:51.600 --> 01:28:56.439
<v Speaker 1>change everything on this planet. So, Professor Simon, this has

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01:28:56.439 --> 01:28:59.600
<v Speaker 1>been an awesome conversation. Go ahead and tell people where

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01:28:59.600 --> 01:29:00.359
<v Speaker 1>they can find you.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, just on YouTube. You just type my name in

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01:29:04.039 --> 01:29:06.520
<v Speaker 2>Simon Holland, Professor Simon, whatever you want to call me.

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<v Speaker 2>And I continue I have a whole bunch of new subscribers,

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<v Speaker 2>up to one hundred and thirty six thousands because they

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01:29:17.319 --> 01:29:21.800
<v Speaker 2>all hate me, which is great because you're watching my videos. No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I love it. I'm really enjoying it. It's been an

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01:29:25.600 --> 01:29:28.800
<v Speaker 2>honor and a pleasure. And I really enjoy talking to

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01:29:28.840 --> 01:29:32.279
<v Speaker 2>you Ashton anyway about things. We're on various same groups

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01:29:32.319 --> 01:29:35.039
<v Speaker 2>and I know you and I keep up with what's

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01:29:35.079 --> 01:29:38.279
<v Speaker 2>going on. So good. That was a very good conversation today.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you, and have a great day. Guys. Follow

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<v Speaker 1>Professor Simon Holland on YouTube. I'll put a link in

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<v Speaker 1>the description. Appreciate you guys. Have a great day.