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Now let's dive into today's episode. I like to welcome

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back to the show returning champion, doctor John de Martini.

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How you doing, Doctor John?

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Speaker 2: Doing great? Thank you for having me back on the show.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being back on the show.

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Are We've you been on the show twice before. You're

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one of our early guests back in the olden days

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of Next Level Soul. I've always been a very big

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fan of your work and what you've done, and obviously

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you were introduced to me by the secret back in

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all those years ago. But your work is pretty remarkable,

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what you've been doing trying to help souls around the world.

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So first and foremost, I want to just give you

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my heartfelt thanks for all the hard work you've been

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doing all your entire career.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. That's what I love to do. I don't

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even think of his work sometimes, just them. I love doing.

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Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely so I'm going to dive just right into

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the deep end. If someone feels lost right, like in

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life right now? How do they know whether they're actually

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lost or just redirect or just being redirected into something deeper.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think if you were to take a something

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that's round, you're always hit a turning point going around it.

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So at any moment, it's always a turning point towards

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where you're going. So that would be a general statement,

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but it's whatever you're perceiving. It depends on if you

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perceive an event that you think is in the way

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instead of on the way, you can ask a new

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set of questions help you see how it is on

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the way and turning into on the way. So it's

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all depends on the perceptions and expectations and the questions

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you asked and how you perceive life.

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Speaker 1: That's a good question because a lot of times, like

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you don't see what the universe has in store for you.

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All you see is like you just lost your job,

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or I just broke up with my girlfriend, or I

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just lost my house. But if you look at it

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from a if you look at down the line and

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look back, which if you've been around the around the

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earth a few times, you kind of start seeing that

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perspective where you're like, oh, thank god I lost my

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job there. Oh thank god I broke up with that

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that girl. She would have been a nightmare kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: Well, every event has two sides, and you can make

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a heaven out of a hell or a hell out

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of heaven, as Milton said. And we have in our

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brain the cortex, the walnut shell and the nut inside,

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which is a nuclei. People that function a from there

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or they're not e ones.

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Speaker 1: You know many of those, do you?

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Speaker 2: I think we all have money moments of nuttinesses. That

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amigla wants to seek prey and avoid predator. Yes, it

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wants to seek pleasure and avoid pain. It wants to

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eat something which is pleasure for instead of being eaten.

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It wants to support without challenge, ease without difficulty, the

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pause without negative, the peace without award. Itch ONTs a

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one sided game, but the two sides are united like

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a magnet, and striving for that which is unobtainable. Trying

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to get one side without the other and trying to

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avoid that which is unavoidable is a source of suffering.

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So if we choose to see an event as pauses

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without negatives or negatives out pauses, then the imigala is

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going to make us have an impulse to seek or

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an instinct to avoid, and we're going to be an

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automaton reacting to these misperceptions. But if we ask a

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new set of questions, which are in tuition is constantly

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trying to help us do what is the downside of

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that new relationship that I'm infatuated with? And what is

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that upside to that person that challenged me or criticized me,

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or hurt me or whatever. In mind, if we balance

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out our equation, we don't have the intrusive thoughts that

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occupy space and time to mind from the infatuations and resentments.

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So if you think about it, when you have insomnia, knight,

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you're having all this brain noise going on and all

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this stuff, you can't sleep, it's because you're thinking of

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something that's pleasureful that you're fantasizing about, or you're thinking

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about something that's painful that you're nightmaring about, and it's

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occupying space and time to mind. Because if it's one,

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it's prey, if it's the other, it's predator. You don't

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want to lose food and you don't want to be eaten,

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so it keeps you awake and alert because the fear

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of starvation, the fear of being eaten, is part of

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our nature inside, even though we don't call it prey

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and predator. It's just support and challenge in our mind

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or positive negatives. So we have these intrusive thoughts in

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our brain that occupy our mind and make us have

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this noise, and it stops the message of our inner

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voice and our inner vision which calls us to do

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something really magnificent. It distracts us. So when somebody thinks

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something is terrible in their life and they just don't

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see the blessings, they can ruminate on that. They can

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have it keep them up at night. They can choose

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to be traumatized by it, or they can choose to ask, Okay,

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what is the benefit to this? How is it serving me?

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How's it helping me intellectually? What am I learning? How's

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it helping my business? What is it catalyzing? How's it

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helping me financially? What is it raising the value of

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How's it helping my relationship? How's it helping me socially?

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How's it helped me physically? How's it helped me spiritually?

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If you ask those questions. The quality of life based

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on the questions you ask. If you ask those questions,

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you become conscious of things you weren't conscious of, and

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the label of one sidedness can be dissolved and you

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can see both sides and be freed. And the moment

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you see both sides of the event, you're neither infatuate

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or resentful, neither wholesover instinct, and you're out of your amigma,

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and you're now in your executive center, which according to

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Scientific American would call the seat of the self.

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Speaker 1: So when you're saying that the predator prey thing when

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you're sleeping, where would stress come into.

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Speaker 2: That is stress? There's only two forms of stress known.

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You could take any moment you've ever been stressed off,

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any age of your life, any moment in your life,

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and it's only two forms. The perception of loss or

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something you're seeking, or the perception of gain of something

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you're avoiding. That's all there is. It's the perception of

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loss of food and the perception of being eaten. In

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the brain. The brain only sees those two things. Basically,

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we may call the prey what supports us, We may

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call the predator. Somebody that's challenging us, or praise or criticism,

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or giving us money or taking money from us. The

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outer forms all get in the brain down into the

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amigla as simply pray and predator, seeking that which we know,

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the fear of losing that which we seek, and the

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fear of gaining of that which we try to avoids.

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That's all stress is, and stress is simply an imbalanced

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ratio of perceptions. You balance the racist perception, stress is gone.

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Speaker 1: So if you're overwhelmed with work and you've got too

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many plates spinning in the back where that would obviously

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be predator in that sense.

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Speaker 2: Well you're you if you blame something as causing it

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instead of looking at the way you're prioritizing your day.

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If you're filling your day with the highest priority actions

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and you set realistic strategies in place to achieve something,

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that same activity, if it's delegated to lower the lower

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stuff is delegated to somebody else, it's a catalyst that

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stress is a catalyst for you to look to prioritize

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your life and delegate lower party things and get on

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with the thing that produces the most. It's helping you.

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Speaker 1: Very true sir, very true. Now, you say every once

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in a while in your in your teachings that everyone

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that everyone lives according to the hierarchy of values. How

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can someone discover there their values without lying to themselves?

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Speaker 2: Great question. If you just ask somebody their values, in

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which I've done, I don't know a few hundred thousand

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people over the last forty seven years. I'd have to

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say that most people don't know their values. They think

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they do, okay, And I'll give an example of that

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before I go further. I was speaking in Johannesburg at

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the Success Summit in twenty twelve. They are about five

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thousand people there. I was the opening speaker. I think

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Richard Branston was the last speaker, and there's a bunch

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of speakers in between. And when I got up on stage,

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I said, how many of you, because it was about

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business and wealth, says, how many of you would love

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to be financial independent where your passive income exceed your

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active income. Every hand went up, some people put two

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hands up, some people put their leg and hands up

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in there fair enough, and there's a VIP section in

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a general audience. I said, great, and there's roaring people

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are all roaring yes, Yes, that's what we want.

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Speaker 2: Now, in a really humble manner, how many of you

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are financially independent where your passive income has exceeded your

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active income. All the hands went down except seven. Now

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this is this is wow. This is lower than I

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ever imagined. I would have.

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Speaker 1: Thought, yeah, twenty percent, maybe thirty.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, I wouldn't say twenty, but I would have guessed, well,

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there's only one percent of the population had achieve it.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, but that's a much smaller even in five thousand people.

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Speaker 1: One hundred and fifty fifty or undes somebody fifty seven.

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Speaker 2: Wow. And I said, be honest, because financial independent doesn't

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mean you have your own job work for somebody else.

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active income. You don't have to work. You work only

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because you love to seven people, And I said, isn't

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that interesting? You all claim that you have a value

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on financial independence. You're all coming to a seminar thinking

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that's what's going to happen, But only seven people have

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their hand up and not interesting. And I said, let

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me explain to you why. Everybody get a piece of

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paper out, and on that piece of paper, I'm going

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to hand you in a pallette ten million US dollars.

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Every one of you here will be receiving ten million

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US dollars. And it's a palette picture in front of you,

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right now, sitting in front of you, yours. Now, on

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this piece of paper, you have sixty seconds to write

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the ten things you're going to do with that money. Wow, right,

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what you're going to do with that money? You got

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sixty seconds on your mark, It said, oh, rise fastest again.

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You know what they're going to do with that money? Oh,

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I said, stop, sixty seconds up, hand it to the

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person on your left. Everybody there, calculate how much of

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that money is still an asset and how much has

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been spent on consumables that depreciated in value or will

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depreciate and tie between twenty and eighty percent of the

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money was spent on consumables that depreciated, which meant that

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they had a value on lifestyle versus not financial independence.

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financial dependence sometimes put fancy boats, fancy cars, fancy jewelry,

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fancy stuff to appease their fantasy instead of actually teaching

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ground them on the fundamentals of building wealth. So I said,

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if twenty to eighty percent of you just bought things,

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then you don't have a desire in your values to

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build wealth. You have a desire to spend it on

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consumables that appreciate. So unless you have a change in values,

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you are not going to be financial independent because the

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higher gey values dictates how you manage money, and every

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decision you make is based on what you believe will

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give you the greatest advantage of or disadvantag according to

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your values at that moment, and they all kind of

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got quiet. Oh, I said, now you can either accept

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that you're not going to be financial inpendent, or you

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can have a shift in values. Today. We can shift that.

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If that's of interest to you, I'd be glad to

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share with you how that can be done, because a

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lot of people live in the fantasy that they know

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what their values are, but then when you actually look,

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it's your life that demonstrates your values, not what you say.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's dig into this for a little bit, because

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that's a fascinating idea. Now that's instead of turning it

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into building wealth, let's turn it into spirituality. Sure, spirituality,

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because so many many people claim that they want to

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be spiritual and they want to be closer to source

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and God or whatever it is, whatever they call it,

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and yet they don't do the work. How can you?

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How can you? Because because our audience is very obviously

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heavily spiritual, and they're they're searching for spiritual guidance and

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spiritual ideas and and they're trying to figure this whole

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insane thing called life out. But I've discovered through my

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experiences and myself included early on, where you put on

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the suit, the character, the facade of I am so spiritual.

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That's you and I both know people like this that

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are so done that album at moments. No, there's always

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a we come and go from character to characters exactly,

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and clothing and suits that we put on and off.

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I'm so spiritual, I'm so spiritual. But when I uh,

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when a team member of mine shows me and email

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from a customer who I literally had an email the

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other day. It was fascinating. They were berating us because

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we just couldn't get to them fast enough. I'm like,

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it was Sunday, we were off, We're a small company,

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so on, and they just we got bombarded with like

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seven or eight just it started getting nasty, got nastier

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and nastier. But at the bottom of her tag was peace,

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love and what spirituality or something, And I was just like, wow,

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someone who's spiritual, but to walk the walk as a

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whole other conversation. So how would you frame that in

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the same kind of framing that you just did with

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Speaker 2: You know the story of Guru Nnik, or at least

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one of the many he goes to the Kaba. No,

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is the head of the Sikh movement, founded the Sikh moment.

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it's probably not a true thing. I think it's a metaphor.

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But he supposedly goes to Mecca the Muslim Kappa. Before

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they restricted it, people could go there and He's laying

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there with his feet facing the sacred rock in the wall,

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and the people of the Muslims are irate. You can't

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put your feet to the sacred stone. This is sacred,

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this is godly. You can't put your feet in the

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direction God. You have to submit and humble yourself and

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prostate forward and face God. You never turn your feet

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that direction. And he said, oh, if you can tell

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me where God isn't, I'll put my feet there.

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Speaker 1: That's a good story.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Now Einstein said something really really nicely. If divinity

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was omnipresent, and where's God not, It's in every experience,

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he said, it's in every act, every experience. We go

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along with our human judgments and label it good or evil,

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spiritual or not spiritual, and then we sometimes over the

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months of weeks, years later, we find out, ooh, it

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wasn't what we first thought. It was actually something that

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was helping us in our development growth, So it was spiritual.

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We didn't see it. So I'm a little leery about

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boxing in spirituality because there's pairs of opposites in the world.

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There's a great book of the Old and New Testament

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that William Burr wrote called contradictions of the Bible.

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Speaker 1: That should be fun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And what he did is he took every quote

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in the Bible that said this, and then every quote

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had said just the opposite of this in the Bible. Yeah, yeah,

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I thought the Bible and it's a nice book. I'm

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am introduced to me when I was about eighteen, I think,

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and so people that have one belief will read that part.

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will believe they're spiritual, and they are. But the thing

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is is that purse over there will think they're not spiritual,

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and that person over there will think they're not spiritual

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because it doesn't match their idea what the spirituality is.

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So I found many years ago that I was trying

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to be kind of one sided, nice without me and

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kind without cruel, and positive without negative, and this kind

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of thing. And then I found out that those repressed

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sides eventually surfaced, and I was really honest with myself.

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I found I had all of them. I went through

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the Oxford English Dictionary forty one years almost forty two

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years now, and went through and underline every behavioral trait

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that I could find in the biggest dictionary I could find.

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There were four thousand, six hundred and twenty eight traits

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I found literally isolated them out, and then over on

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the side, I went over, and who is it that

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I know that displays that trait more than anybody I know?

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went inside myself and I went, Okay, John, go to

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a moment where and when you perceive yourself displaying or

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demonstrating that same behavior, that same trait action in action,

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and identify where you did it, when you did it,

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who'd you do it to, and who perceived you doing that.

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I did it as much as the most extreme people

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I knew. And when I did, I kind of woke

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up and realized nothing's missing in me. I have all

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the traits, I have all the behaviors, and it's only

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the traits I'm trying to get rid of that make

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me feel empty and that make me attract events in

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my life to help me see that I have that trait,

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to humble me from my pride and to lift me

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from my shame so I can be authentic and whole.

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us at the level of the senses, things appear to

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be missing in us. It's the things that were too

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proud or too humble to admit that we see in

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others but we don't see in ourselves. That are the

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emptinesses that drive us the experiences to eventually discover that

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it's nothing missing, to wake up our soul.

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Speaker 1: Would you agree that we are all walking around life

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with the story that we have built built our foundation

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on and more narrative most more, not just one story,

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multiple narratives that build our foundation. And then occasionally, as

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you get older, that narrative starts to shift. I assume

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things that you believe that eighteen you don't believe that

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evolving evolving. Correct, some though they might evolve, but as

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long as they evolve within the same field, in the

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same box. Where because there's one thing, you can have

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this story and evolve within that box. But when there's

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another box out there, who's saying, well, wait a minute,

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that's not it. That's where wars start, that's where.

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Speaker 2: But that's that's also where rigidity is oftened.

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Speaker 1: Because we'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

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and now back to the show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the second, we think we know, yeah, what that

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divine nature really is, and that what that spirituality really is.

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We just boxed ourselves in because Michael Montane, a French philosopher,

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travel all over the world trying to find a universal

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morality and he found that in time and space, over time,

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things that were considered good over here were considered bad

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over here. I mean right now, for instance, we have

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in some Middle Eastern traditions older men and very young

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girls are married. Absolutely in our country, that's prison.

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Speaker 1: Correct, So.

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Speaker 2: Is it good REvil in that culture? It's normal? This

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culture's not. So the question is is is spirituality limited

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to a culture, a language, a time, a space or

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is it omnipresent? And does is it inclusive? Is it exclusive?

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Is it based on our limited understanding? Is it based

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on something transcend it to that? Is it imminent transcendent?

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Speaker 1: Fear based not fear based?

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Speaker 2: Is it is it emotionally based and judgment based? Or

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is it love? Impedocles outlined He's the one that gave

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rise to the four elements fire, air, water on earth. Right,

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it's about sixth century BC, and he basically said, there's

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love and strife. Love is the integration of the elements

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and all the elements or pairs of opposites, and strife

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is the dissimilarity and the differences between the elements seen.

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Heracleiitis came along and said that there's a hidden order

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in the unity of opposites. There's an evidence of love

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in the opposites, but there's judgment when we see one

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side without the other. So when we first meet somebody,

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we'll have a first impression. May not be the whole,

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it may just be the part we see. If we're

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in fatuid, we're blind to the downsides. If we're resentful,

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we're blind to the upsides. We have intrusive thoughts. Our

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amigler runs us wild, We seek and avoid. We're an

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automaton reacting to our misperception and expectations. But then if

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we get to know that person days, weeks, months, and years,

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we find out that the person we infactried with had

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downsites called marriage, and the person that we thought was

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terrible catalyze some of the greatest growth in our life.

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So which one is it? It's neither. The state of

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unconditional love, which is the authentic self, sees neither. But

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they are inauthentic self sees either one or the other,

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because the Amigla sees one or the other and is

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frightened of losing one and frightened of gaining the other

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lives and gain and loss illusions. The Master lives in

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a world of transformation and honors the transformation and sees

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it all part of the spiritual experience. So the question

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is is at what level of is our awareness. There

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are some people that are living very much in the

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amigla and their idea of black and white and good

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and evil, as way down here the people at the

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top have a very broader perspective. I sat with the

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Sheik Fadhala, who is a scholar, Muslim scholar, and we

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had a very great conversation in Cape Town, South Africa,

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for about two hours, and he's a very cosmic, being

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very aware, and he studied he knows the Koran by heart.

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And I've also met people when I was doing a

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movie called Oh My God, and I met jihadist that

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are really radical and really polarized and really black and white,

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both of them reading the same book, opening it differently.

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Same as you see in Christianity and Judaism, you see

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the same thing. Almost every group of religious instruction has

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fundamentalists and the universalists more miguala based and more executive based,

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and so it's all, you know, where's God not, It's

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all part of the divine if we know how to

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ask the right question to see both sides of the

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event and not have the illusion of our instruction and

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our moral hypocrisy stop us from seeing the whole. So

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it's about asking really broad questions to see how whatever's happening,

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how is it helping me film my spiritual mission.

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Speaker 1: I never actually thought about that, but you're absolutely right.

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In every spiritual path, no matter in philosophies. It could

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be Confusism, it could be Taoism, it could be Buddhism.

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Speaker 2: There is the fundamental that is absolutist and black and white, and.

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Speaker 1: Then and they're so, yeah, there's the mystical Christians, and

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then there is the fundamental Christians sactly that take the

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literally the Bible.

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Speaker 2: The mystical is one that's attempting to gnostically communicate with

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the divine individually, and they may use the traditional beliefs

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of that particular faith to guide those descriptions. But the

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fundamentalist is more of a literalist, and they take a

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particular text and they read it a certain way, and

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there's literally a hell, there's a literary heaven hell, and

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stuff like that. But I always say thinking makes it so,

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you know, Hell is basically when you're ungrateful for the

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order of your life, and heavenly is when you actually

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can see the hidden order and you actually see there's

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nothing to fix. As long as we're in fatuated with somebody,

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we're going to want to change ourselves to be more

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like them and be in their life. Think about the

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first weeks you get in a new relationship in you're

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how the infatuate, you'll sacrifice what's important you to be

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with them for fear of loss of them. But have

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you resent them and you now want to get away

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from them, you'll sacrifice them for you. When you're infatuated,

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you'll almost sacrifice them as a homicide. When you're on

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the narcissistic side, when you're really angry at them and

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resentful to him. But those aren't who they are. That's

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not who you are. When you're too humble to admit

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what you see in them, that's an impostor syndrome. When

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you're too proud to admit what you see in them,

472
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that's an imposter syntome. When you come and realize that

473
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they're both sided and so are you, and you actually

474
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bring those into the balance. Now you're at the soul,

475
00:26:42,759 --> 00:26:45,480
the state of unconditional love, not the state of judgment.

476
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And that's what Empedocles was trying to say, and Harry

477
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Cleidus was trying to say.

478
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Speaker 1: It's fascinating because you're absolutely right. Where when you are

479
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infatuated with somebody, I remember back, and I've been married

480
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,960
for many years, so I've had that for a long time.

481
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But early on, especially when I was a young young man,

482
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you would do anything, you sacrifice, You sacrifice to be

483
00:27:04,079 --> 00:27:07,079
with that person. And then you put on this perfect

484
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mask and everything which can't you can't hand sustain.

485
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Speaker 2: It's non sustainable.

486
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Speaker 1: And they do too. It depends, and so then this

487
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thing start to crack.

488
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Speaker 2: And then you know, well, no, the fantasy crack.

489
00:27:19,759 --> 00:27:20,759
Speaker 1: Great, that's what I mean.

490
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 2: The truth about you and them emerge, right, and that

491
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is the path of the unconditional love. The path of

492
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,680
unconscial love is says that I see both sides of me.

493
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:35,799
If you meet somebody. There was a beautiful little instagram spoof.

494
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The other day, I saw one hundred and three year

495
00:27:38,039 --> 00:27:42,359
old woman's being interviewed by this individual and her husband

496
00:27:43,079 --> 00:27:46,200
is like one hundred and they're on the show and

497
00:27:46,279 --> 00:27:50,920
he falls asleep her on her chest. They're right right

498
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,880
over your breast. And the guy's interviewing and says, how

499
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,440
long you've been married? And said eighty something years? And

500
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,920
they and they, and he said, well, did you ever

501
00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:05,799
think about divorce? She said, nope, not once. Murder it murder,

502
00:28:06,559 --> 00:28:09,400
She said, I thought about murdering every day for these

503
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:14,680
last eighty years. What a great but it was. The

504
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,599
guy fell over his chair, his laughing sward, oh, it

505
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,880
is so great, because the reality is our amigla wants

506
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,920
a pleasure without a pain always. But our executive center

507
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,960
knows that's not real, and it knows that if you're

508
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,559
going to grow and reach the soul, the state of

509
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,279
unconditional love, you're going to have to embrace both sides

510
00:28:33,319 --> 00:28:35,200
of the individual. You don't need to get rid of

511
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,240
part of you to be loved. You don't need to

512
00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:40,880
gain something or lose something to be yourself. But people

513
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,400
think they do in these facades and these impostors, and

514
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,039
they think they need to put on this facade for

515
00:28:45,119 --> 00:28:47,759
fear of loss, or put on this facade it's tough

516
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for fear of gain.

517
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Speaker 1: But haven't we given away so much of our power

518
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,319
in so many different areas of our life because we're

519
00:28:56,359 --> 00:29:01,160
always chasing, at least most are always chasing pleasure without

520
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:01,559
the work.

521
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,519
Speaker 2: Well, that hedonistic pursuit has a thing called hedonic adaptation.

522
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,599
I first found out about this about forty one years ago. Also,

523
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that striving for pleasure without pain will be futile, As

524
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Kipling says, the pleasure in pain, though distinguishable by the senses,

525
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they're inseparable in actuality. Can't separate them because the very

526
00:29:20,839 --> 00:29:22,440
thing that you have pleasure of the fear of loss

527
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,720
of it's pain. The very thing you have pain about,

528
00:29:24,759 --> 00:29:27,039
the fear of gain of it is pain, But the

529
00:29:27,559 --> 00:29:30,240
fantasy of loss of it is pleasure. So you can't

530
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separate to us. You know, if you got your ex

531
00:29:32,519 --> 00:29:36,400
boyfriend coming over, that's painful, the fantasies escape him. If

532
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,400
you got your new boyfriend coming over, if he leaves you,

533
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:43,839
that's painful. So pleasure and pain are inseparable. And Axigoras

534
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,680
said that again two five hundred something years ago. He said,

535
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you can't separate it to their lopsided perceptions. They're incomplete awarenesses.

536
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,319
When you see both at the same time, you actually

537
00:29:53,319 --> 00:29:56,920
see what's actually there. Actuality is different from reality. Reality

538
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,480
is that what you realize to your senses. Actuality is

539
00:29:59,519 --> 00:30:02,640
what's actual there. It's what's actually there. And when you're

540
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,319
actually there at the soul, there's nothing to seek or avoid.

541
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You're just present and empowered with fulfillment.

542
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Speaker 1: John, let me ask you, so many of us are,

543
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,440
you know, looking for our purpose of what to do

544
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,680
while we're here in this insane video game that we're

545
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,279
all walking through this inxane movie or play, and we're

546
00:30:22,279 --> 00:30:24,680
looking for our purpose. We're looking for our quote unquote

547
00:30:24,759 --> 00:30:29,200
so calling. We'll be right back after a word from

548
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:37,359
our sponsor, and now back to the show. What do

549
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,680
you How do you discover what that is? Or do

550
00:30:40,759 --> 00:30:45,599
you build a life that's aiming at towards it in

551
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,640
some way? Like how do you find because so many

552
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,240
people are lost, they don't know what to do. They're

553
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,480
just doing the nine to five, they're doing the rat race.

554
00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:55,480
They aren't happy, and they're like, you know, I have

555
00:30:55,559 --> 00:30:57,200
this great job or I have this bad job, but

556
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:58,440
you know what I really want to do. Is I

557
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,920
want to sing, or I want to be an artist,

558
00:31:01,079 --> 00:31:02,920
or I want to open up a business or whatever

559
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,000
that is. How how can we find that sole calling

560
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:07,680
or that purpose within us?

561
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Speaker 2: That goes back to the question that I didn't get

562
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to answer that I'll answer that you asked about how

563
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:18,000
you determine values. Everybody's got a set of priorities, a

564
00:31:18,039 --> 00:31:22,079
set of values in their life. It's a hierarchy of values.

565
00:31:23,319 --> 00:31:25,759
Whatever is the very highest on the value, the thing

566
00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:28,880
that's most important, the thing that's highest in priority, the

567
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:33,839
thing that's most meaningful, most fulfilling, most inspiring, you're spontaneously

568
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,240
inspired to act on it. You don't require any external

569
00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:40,640
motivation to do it. It's like a boy with video games.

570
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,400
He doesn't have to be motivated to do with video games,

571
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,319
but he has to be motivated to is chores and homework.

572
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,000
So whatever is high on your value, we spontaneously feel

573
00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:52,240
called to do. We are inspired. Whenever we're doing our

574
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highest value. The blood glucose and auction goes into the

575
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,559
media prefund cortex and there are spontaneous action potentials that

576
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:03,079
spontaneously fire that he'll bring Gama synchronicities in the brain,

577
00:32:03,119 --> 00:32:08,559
which are confirmations of authenticity. Your ontological identity revolve around

578
00:32:08,599 --> 00:32:12,960
your highest value. Your teleological purpose revolve around your highest value.

579
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,519
Your epistemological area of expertise revolve around your highest value.

580
00:32:16,519 --> 00:32:19,759
That's where you're going to excel. So knowing the value,

581
00:32:19,799 --> 00:32:23,480
the highest value is in setting sale by filling your

582
00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:26,839
day with the highest priority action daily is the highest

583
00:32:26,839 --> 00:32:29,400
priority thing anybody can do to fulfill what's meaningful to them,

584
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,799
and that is what they feel their purposes. In my case,

585
00:32:32,839 --> 00:32:35,920
it's teaching. I teach every day. I do podcasts every day,

586
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,160
or write every day, or do consults or meetings or

587
00:32:38,319 --> 00:32:41,559
you know, I'm teaching every day. That's what I love doing,

588
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,880
researching and teaching. So that's what I feel my calling

589
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,759
is on this plane I've been doing in fifty three years.

590
00:32:48,039 --> 00:32:50,559
If you have a mother's highest value as her children

591
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,319
taking care of those children, if you ask her who

592
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are you, She'll say, I'm a mother. That's her onciological identity.

593
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Mine would be teacher. If you I worked with the

594
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,880
lady who is a three time gold medalist in pole vaulting,

595
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,640
you ask her who are you, I'm a professional pole Walter.

596
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,240
I'm an Olympic medalist pole Walter. If you meet a

597
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,920
person that's running businesses and entrepreneurs, highest value is entrepreneurship.

598
00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:17,519
I'm an entrepreneur. So your identity and your purpose is

599
00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:20,759
an expression of your highest value. So knowing what that

600
00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:24,200
is is the first step and acting as it. And

601
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,079
when you're living a coin to your highest value. The

602
00:33:27,119 --> 00:33:29,839
blood glucose an auction goes into the forebrain where your

603
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most neutral and objective. The media briefunel cortex sends signals

604
00:33:36,119 --> 00:33:42,319
down and uses gabba and glutamate transmitters to calm down

605
00:33:42,359 --> 00:33:46,720
the amigula's vicissitudes, all the emotions of the amigla and

606
00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:50,119
calm it down and help us see both sides salultaneously,

607
00:33:50,119 --> 00:33:53,759
where you have reason and objectivity and we're not swayed

608
00:33:53,839 --> 00:33:56,759
by the impulses and instincts of our animal nature. And

609
00:33:56,799 --> 00:33:59,720
that's our sole nature, that's our angelic nature, which is

610
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the messenger of the light and state that we have inside.

611
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,839
So when we live by our highest values, we have

612
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,760
the closest thing we have. And in signs of the

613
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American I think it's September October twenty twenty two, there's

614
00:34:11,519 --> 00:34:14,960
a fantastic article that they describe the media prefunnel tors

615
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,400
cortex as the seat of the self because it's where

616
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,679
we have the most integration and integration. Information theory, the

617
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,400
global workspace theory shows that's where we have the most

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00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,360
integration and neutralization. That's where we're most unconditionally loving in

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a state of grace. That's where we have Gama synchronosities

620
00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:34,800
and Aha moments and tears of gratitude and costalt in

621
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our brain when we function from it. So determining what's

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00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:40,400
highest on the value is the first step in opening

623
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the doorway to a purposeful, clear calling in life. Now,

624
00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:47,519
I didn't get to answer that from the earlier question,

625
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,559
but how do you determine the values? If you ask people,

626
00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:54,239
I assure you I've done millions of these, you're not

627
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:56,920
going to get an accurate answer. But if you ask

628
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,440
them a set of questions that kind of hit him

629
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from a back door, you can. Your space is a

630
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,039
great indicator of what you value. If I gave you

631
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a gift and it had zero value to you the

632
00:35:11,159 --> 00:35:16,880
second I left this room, you toss it. Yeah, if

633
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,480
I gave you something like cufflinks that they love in

634
00:35:20,559 --> 00:35:23,360
wisdom on them. That guy gave me because I told

635
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,360
him a story about the day I met Howard Hughes,

636
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,440
and he told me, there's only two things they can

637
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,559
never take away from you. It's you're loving your wisdom.

638
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,480
Those have meaning to me. So they travel wherever I

639
00:35:33,519 --> 00:35:37,320
go around the world, these cufflings. So there's a thing

640
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,079
called intimate space, individual space, social space, and public space,

641
00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:44,599
and proxemics. The more proximate it is, the more intimate

642
00:35:44,639 --> 00:35:48,480
it is, the more eighteen inches around you, anything that's

643
00:35:48,519 --> 00:35:52,840
extremely valuable you'll keep there. The more it is distal,

644
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,800
the more it has no value. So you can look

645
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,119
at somebody's space and look at where they spend their

646
00:35:58,159 --> 00:36:00,480
time most and what they fill their space with most,

647
00:36:00,519 --> 00:36:03,239
and what it represents, and get a really good indication

648
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,000
of what they really value, because every decision they make

649
00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:07,400
is based on what they believe will give them the

650
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,440
greatest advantage of or disadvantage in that moment. Every perception, decision,

651
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,679
action is based on their values. Now, the second would

652
00:36:14,679 --> 00:36:18,039
determine it is time you find time, make time, spend

653
00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:21,119
time on things that are valuable to you. Procrastinate, hesitate,

654
00:36:21,159 --> 00:36:24,239
and frustrate on things that don't. So you won't miss

655
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,480
your podcast. You know you're going to do those podcasts,

656
00:36:26,679 --> 00:36:29,079
but you might miss some social function. It's not really

657
00:36:29,079 --> 00:36:30,119
inspired to you that you come.

658
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Speaker 1: Up or go to the miss a gym or the

659
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gym or something like that.

660
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Speaker 2: Exactly, whatever is low in your values, you'll procrastinate, hes toitate, frustrating.

661
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,880
Whatever is high in your values, you'll discipline, reliable and

662
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,039
focused on it. And a discipline is a disciple of

663
00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:43,840
your soul, if you will, that's when you're being almost

664
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,159
authentic to what it's calling is. So your time and

665
00:36:47,199 --> 00:36:51,440
your space are great indicators of what your life demonstrates.

666
00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:54,320
And what many people do is they compare themselves to

667
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,840
others any other people think it should be that, and

668
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,119
then beat themselves up when it's not that because it's

669
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what it is. Instead of honor what it is, they're

670
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,159
trying to be second of being somebody else, instead of

671
00:37:04,159 --> 00:37:08,280
first being themselves. The third indicator is what energy they have.

672
00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:11,519
Whenever they're doing something that's high in their values, their

673
00:37:11,599 --> 00:37:15,440
energy goes up. The mitochondria in the pre funnel CORTEXX

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fire and there's vast amount of energy sitting in that area.

675
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,679
The second, we do low priorty things are mitochondria shut

676
00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:23,800
down and they start actually going into a danger zone

677
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,280
and shut down. They start to disassemble. So when we're

678
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,760
living by or highest values, our energy level lets us

679
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,000
know it. We have more energy at the end of

680
00:37:32,039 --> 00:37:34,760
doing something that's meaningful. If you're doing a great podcast,

681
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,360
your energize when you're done. If you're doing it, it's like,

682
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,360
oh that was a long one. We weren't energized, you

683
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:45,119
weren't engaged. So anytime you're doing something that's extremely meaningful, inspiring,

684
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:46,960
and it's really high in your value or energy goes

685
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,960
up and it goes down if you're doing anything low

686
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,719
on value. And the reason it's doing that is to

687
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,000
let you know that you're not being authentic to yourself

688
00:37:55,079 --> 00:37:58,519
and you're not delegating those job duties to somebody who

689
00:37:58,599 --> 00:38:01,239
is inspired to do it, and you keep doing something

690
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,440
that's devaluing you. Because anytime you do something low on

691
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,360
your values your value stuff. Anytime you do something high

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00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,960
on your value, your value. The fourth one is money,

693
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,800
and I just use that as an example earlier. The

694
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,519
hierchep of your values dictates your financial destiny. If you

695
00:38:15,519 --> 00:38:17,559
have a higher value on spending all your money on

696
00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:19,519
your kids, it will go there. It won't go towards

697
00:38:19,559 --> 00:38:23,320
financial independence, it'll go towards having great kid experiences. If

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00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,119
your highest values on the house, it'll go there. If

699
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:27,039
it's highest on travel and go there. It's on food,

700
00:38:27,079 --> 00:38:29,320
it goes there. The higher gep of your values dictates

701
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,239
where you spend your money. So where's most of your

702
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,360
money going? First, second, and third most? That tells you

703
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,719
where your highest values are. And the one that goes

704
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,599
most is where your highest one is. So when I

705
00:38:39,679 --> 00:38:42,039
was in my twenties, I was buying forty to seventy

706
00:38:42,039 --> 00:38:44,519
books a week reading because I read at least four

707
00:38:44,519 --> 00:38:46,880
to seven books a day, and in the process of

708
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:53,800
reading books for everything, classes, seminars, education, man, I've always

709
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,880
had money for that, But I didn't have money to

710
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,519
go party. I didn't have money to go do this

711
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,360
things that other people want to do. They had a

712
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,960
different set about. So your highercarde value shows in your

713
00:39:03,199 --> 00:39:05,039
way you manage your money and where your money goes.

714
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,079
The fifth one is where do you bring the most

715
00:39:07,199 --> 00:39:11,559
ordered organization to I walk in your studio, it is

716
00:39:11,639 --> 00:39:15,880
highly organized and ordered. It's a beautiful studio. This is

717
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,280
important to you, obviously, thank you, because the discipline and

718
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,159
the order of this is really evident because I pay

719
00:39:23,199 --> 00:39:26,159
attention to these things. And so you tell me where

720
00:39:26,159 --> 00:39:28,840
you have the highest order and organization, and people will say, well,

721
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,239
I don't have it, I'm a mess. No, not in

722
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,920
your highest value. It may be your social calendar that's

723
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,519
highly organized. It may be your workout routine, maybe your

724
00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:40,760
spiritual rituals, whatever that is. It may be education, it

725
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,760
may be being with your kids every single day, may

726
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,159
be going and making sure you're fit. But you have

727
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,800
an area that's highly organized. Your calendar is probably very

728
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,840
organized and making sure you get to the exactly what

729
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,119
you're going to do on what days, because that's where

730
00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:58,559
it's your high value is. Then you also look at

731
00:39:58,559 --> 00:40:01,800
where your most disciplined, reliable, and focused. You will not

732
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,360
let yourself down on your highest value. I won't. I

733
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,039
will do a seminar. I don't care if I haven't

734
00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:08,760
slept in a day or two. I will still do

735
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:10,719
my seminar. I won't let that down. I've never missed

736
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,599
a seminar in fifty three years, so that's something I

737
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,679
just do. My research is daily, but I'll procrastinate on

738
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,800
some of the other stuff. I don't cook. I haven't

739
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,800
cooked since I was twenty four, haven't driven a car

740
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,800
in thirty five years. I don't do that.

741
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

742
00:40:32,559 --> 00:40:33,800
and now back to the show.

743
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 2: I learned that anytime you're doing high party things, your

744
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,960
self worth goes up. Anytime you're doing low party things,

745
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,639
it goes down. So why would I want to do

746
00:40:41,679 --> 00:40:44,119
low party things? I delegate that to people who'd love

747
00:40:44,119 --> 00:40:45,920
to do it, surround myself with those people, and get

748
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,599
on with what I do. With that, I'm excellent a

749
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,159
my core competence that I'm inspired by, and that liberates

750
00:40:51,159 --> 00:40:54,360
yourself from a whole lot of drama and tragedycing crazies

751
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,960
and MiG love behaviors that you get. So you look

752
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,760
at where you're disciplined the next one, next three, or

753
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,440
what are you thinking about? What are you visualizing and

754
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,199
what are you affirming internal dialogue about how you would

755
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,559
love your life to be that shows evidence are coming true.

756
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,199
If there's no evidence, it's not high in your value.

757
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:13,840
If it's not what you would love, it's not high

758
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,480
in your value. So don't tell me something that is

759
00:41:16,519 --> 00:41:18,559
showing up, but it's not what you love. And don't

760
00:41:18,599 --> 00:41:20,679
show me something you would love. It's not showing up.

761
00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:23,079
But what is it you would love that's showing up

762
00:41:23,639 --> 00:41:26,519
in those three areas? That tells me what's valuable, because

763
00:41:26,519 --> 00:41:29,440
if it's really valuable, you make it happen. This is valuable.

764
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,480
When I walk in, I see all the posters, and

765
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,880
I see all the equipment everything else. You've put your

766
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,239
money into it, you put your effort into it. You're

767
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,239
not gonna let anything stop you from achieving what's in

768
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,800
that area. It shows up in here very obvious. But

769
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,760
maybe in your workout that's not priority.

770
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,119
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm trying, but you'll do it.

771
00:41:48,159 --> 00:41:51,039
Speaker 2: But that's second. If somebody comes up and says, will

772
00:41:51,079 --> 00:41:53,199
you do acast, do a podcast or a show or

773
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,159
a new movie, you'll pass that up easily for that movie,

774
00:41:55,159 --> 00:41:55,559
I'm sure.

775
00:41:55,679 --> 00:41:58,159
Speaker 1: Yeah. But the thing is that when you know, but

776
00:41:58,159 --> 00:42:00,360
when I was a young man, physical.

777
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 2: Was that was a different set of value that values

778
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:02,880
are changing.

779
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I had to I had to look good,

780
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:05,039
I had to feel good.

781
00:42:05,079 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 2: I had to you know, all that kind of you

782
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,239
found a mate, yeah.

783
00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:10,119
Speaker 1: And then and then you let and then you let

784
00:42:10,119 --> 00:42:13,960
yourself go that probably good cook, She's a very good coot.

785
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 2: But the reality is that the higercuy of values is

786
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,880
dictating these things. So the next one is what do

787
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,880
you externally converse with other people about. So people come

788
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,119
up to me and they say, well, doctor de Martiniz

789
00:42:25,119 --> 00:42:28,639
has your kids. What does that tell you? Children are

790
00:42:28,599 --> 00:42:32,079
important to them? How's your business? Does it tell you?

791
00:42:32,639 --> 00:42:36,760
How's your golf cam? Does it tell you? How is

792
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:42,079
your your exercise coming? How's your investments? People will lead

793
00:42:42,159 --> 00:42:45,599
the conversation to what engages them most, and you are

794
00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:48,840
leading conversations conscious or unconsciously towards what is inspiring, and

795
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,480
if people converse about it, you get engaged and forget time.

796
00:42:52,039 --> 00:42:55,000
If you're talking about something else, you're like, got to go.

797
00:42:56,119 --> 00:42:58,280
So what do you want to converse with other people

798
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,599
about most? The next one is what is in inspires

799
00:43:00,639 --> 00:43:03,639
you that brings tears to your eyes when you're doing it,

800
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,679
And what's common to the people that brings tears to

801
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,679
your eyes when you're interacting with So in my case,

802
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,199
studying the great philosophers and the Nobel Prize winners and

803
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,920
the great thinkers and something else that's tear jerking to

804
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:16,920
me to study their lives and how they thought, the

805
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,639
way they didn't come up with solutions or seeing people

806
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:24,000
do extraordinary performance and achievement at young ages. Tear jerking.

807
00:43:24,039 --> 00:43:26,159
Oh I love that so because that represents what I'm

808
00:43:26,159 --> 00:43:29,000
dedicated to. How do I maximize human awareness, potential and

809
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,199
performance in life. So that's really in line with my value.

810
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,519
So that's a tear jerker. So I use the tear

811
00:43:34,599 --> 00:43:38,239
jerking inspiration as a guide to authenticity, back to the soul.

812
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:42,000
It's a confirmation of the authenticity of the soul. The

813
00:43:42,039 --> 00:43:44,800
next one is what are the three most consistent, persistent

814
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,159
goals that you're dedicated to that you are actually bringing

815
00:43:48,199 --> 00:43:51,280
into reality. It's coming true slowly, but surely they're coming

816
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,119
true that you have not given up on. You just

817
00:43:53,199 --> 00:43:56,360
keep persevering on. And that's why you're doing what you're

818
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,039
doing with a podcast. You're going to reach millions of

819
00:43:58,039 --> 00:44:00,199
people with that podcast. You got a message and with

820
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,039
the mission has a message. You're going to bring that

821
00:44:02,119 --> 00:44:04,079
out there and you're going to do it in visual

822
00:44:04,119 --> 00:44:05,400
and you're going to do it in auditory, and you're

823
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:06,679
going to do it clean, and it's going to be

824
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,519
a special thing that's going to change their lives. So

825
00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:11,400
that's obviously comes through because I can see it just

826
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,960
walking in this place. And the last one is what

827
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,280
do you study, read about, learn about and keep going

828
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,239
to feed your mind? What are you watching on YouTube?

829
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,400
If you look carefully, you'll see that it's got a

830
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,760
pattern to it. There's a certain area of the bookstore,

831
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,880
you go to, a certain area in the Amazon, you

832
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,880
keep it going to certain things you like reading, certain

833
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,880
things you watch on YouTube. There's a pattern. What's that core?

834
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,480
If you go through and answer three answers to each

835
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,760
of those thirteen questions, those thirty nine questions will reiterate.

836
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,800
And then you take and count up how many answers

837
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,559
are reiterated, the most, the second most, the third most.

838
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,280
It'll give you a bang on shop if you're honest

839
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,760
with the answers, bang on shot of what's really important

840
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,440
to you, what your life really demonstrates, not your fantasy,

841
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,199
it's not what you think it ought to be, but

842
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:54,360
what it actually is.

843
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned something in regards to that pole vaulter,

844
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,920
the goal metalist, and you're saying like, if you ask her, oh,

845
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:05,960
I'm I'm an athlete, or I'm an olympian and the

846
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,239
other person was an entrepreneur. I found it, and I

847
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,320
want to hear what you're thinking about this is I

848
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,400
found it when I was growing up, coming up, I

849
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:18,599
associated myself as a director filmmaker, and as long as

850
00:45:18,599 --> 00:45:22,239
my career was going well, I was good. But when

851
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:26,679
that career wasn't going well, because I associated wholeheartedly with

852
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:31,119
my career, my life was in shambles. So how do

853
00:45:31,199 --> 00:45:32,519
you balance that.

854
00:45:32,679 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 2: Your hark Your values are changing based on the pains

855
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,280
and pleasures that you experience. So if you associate enough

856
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,320
pleasure with something, it goes up on the value list,

857
00:45:40,519 --> 00:45:42,599
enough pain with something, it goes down on the value list.

858
00:45:43,079 --> 00:45:46,079
So you ran into a situation as a director either

859
00:45:46,119 --> 00:45:48,559
you were doing things in administration that you didn't really

860
00:45:48,639 --> 00:45:50,760
want to be doing and it was bogging you down,

861
00:45:51,519 --> 00:45:54,559
or you ended up having an expectation that was elevated

862
00:45:54,559 --> 00:45:56,599
and that didn't live up too you saw it as

863
00:45:56,599 --> 00:45:59,000
a failure instead of as an opportunity to do like

864
00:45:59,159 --> 00:46:01,280
Edison and just go and read them to do the

865
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,239
other thing. And so that painfulness wound, if you will,

866
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,559
or that association would make you withdraw something from that direction,

867
00:46:08,639 --> 00:46:13,159
but not obviously forever, but it would withdraw from that,

868
00:46:13,199 --> 00:46:15,960
and you'll then go off on a tangent trying out

869
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,920
new things that will add more value to what that

870
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,039
real calling is eventually again. So you'll go and learn

871
00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:24,920
new things about business or new learn things about delegating,

872
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,480
or new things about what I did managing people or whatever,

873
00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:29,840
and you'll come back to it because you realize that

874
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,920
that was a part of the business that wasn't inspiring

875
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,239
to you, that needed to be addressed, and either you

876
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,239
had to learn it or you had to delegate it. Now,

877
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,480
I found it's more efficient to surround yourself with people

878
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,119
that know what they're doing and not have to go

879
00:46:41,119 --> 00:46:43,599
through the learning curve because you'll run out of time otherwise.

880
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,000
So you surround yourself with people that are masters of

881
00:46:46,079 --> 00:46:48,320
what they do to do the things that you would

882
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:49,960
love to delegate, so you can get on with doing

883
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,280
what you love doing. I don't do anything but teach,

884
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,079
research and write. That's about it. I don't do anything else.

885
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,400
I don't have any other responsibilities. I just teach, research,

886
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,840
rite every day. These are the three things I love doing.

887
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,719
The rest of it I delegate to experts.

888
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:05,159
Speaker 1: John I have to ask you.

889
00:47:05,199 --> 00:47:07,159
Speaker 2: And by the way, somebody says, well, that's because you're

890
00:47:07,159 --> 00:47:11,719
independently wealthy. No, I became independently wealthy because I did that, right.

891
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,199
Speaker 1: You weren't born now.

892
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 2: I was twenty seven. I learned about delegation, and my

893
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:20,519
life really catalyzed. I was broke at the time, but

894
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,719
I was just coming out of school. I had massive

895
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,239
debts and I mean all kinds of stuff. I learned

896
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:29,000
to delegate and I became wealthy because of that. Because

897
00:47:29,039 --> 00:47:31,320
I went on and did my core competence. It stayed

898
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,199
in my core competence and will follow my calling.

899
00:47:34,519 --> 00:47:37,760
Speaker 1: John, I want to ask you because you're such an

900
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:42,480
interesting character in this world. I love you man, because

901
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,719
you obviously are very in the mind. You've read so

902
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,840
much many books, and you teach and you're on the

903
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,960
mental level. But you're also an extremely deep person with

904
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:01,480
connections to the soul and spirituality. How do you balance

905
00:48:01,639 --> 00:48:05,719
that so well? Because it's a lot of people will

906
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,320
go so hard into the academic that they lose the soul,

907
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,679
or they go so far into the soul that they forget.

908
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,719
I got to live in this planet, you know, So

909
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:15,840
how do you do that?

910
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:21,039
Speaker 2: Very simple I believe that the wisdom of the ages

911
00:48:21,199 --> 00:48:24,719
is both spiritual and mental. I don't see them as separate.

912
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,559
I don't see that. I don't see I'm a scientist too,

913
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,599
I don't see I've studied three hundred different disciplines. I

914
00:48:30,599 --> 00:48:34,400
don't see science interfering with spirituality. True science and true

915
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:40,320
spirituality can't fight pseudoscience and pseudo spirituality and the biased

916
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:47,320
black and white dogma of both fight into spirituality because

917
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,760
there's a lot. I'm going to make a statement that

918
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,920
may be shocking to some people, but remember, where's God?

919
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:53,079
Speaker 1: Not?

920
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 2: Where is the intelligence of the universe, Not if it

921
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:58,880
is in the quantum field. Let's just say that it's

922
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,159
the quantum field and there's a pan psychism, let's say

923
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:05,239
a spinosa thing or like Einstein. He said, it's enough

924
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:07,360
for me, on a daily base to sit and contemplate

925
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:11,719
the intelligence that permeates the universe. That's his idea of God.

926
00:49:12,159 --> 00:49:15,480
That's a spiritual quest. As Rising Newton was a scientist

927
00:49:15,519 --> 00:49:20,159
who figured out the principia of the gravitational laws movements

928
00:49:20,159 --> 00:49:23,480
of the heavenly bodies. He was deeply dedicated to his

929
00:49:23,519 --> 00:49:26,519
spiritual quest and studied alchemy also and he was very,

930
00:49:26,639 --> 00:49:29,880
very fascinating. But he was an incredible scientist. Some of

931
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,320
the greatest scientists I know are very deeply committed to this.

932
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:38,039
And think about this. If there was no inherent order

933
00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:41,320
in the universe, we can never make a science. We

934
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,039
would never even waste our time pursuing it because it

935
00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:46,159
would be all random and there's no way of finding

936
00:49:46,159 --> 00:49:48,199
any laws of the universe. Yeah, there's no rules, no

937
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:52,679
rules of the universe. So the really deeply committed individual.

938
00:49:53,159 --> 00:49:54,800
I was just with Peter Daughtery the other day. He

939
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,239
was a Nobel Prize winner. We had a great conversation.

940
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,840
He reminds me of me when I'm older, and he said,

941
00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:04,559
remind him him the younger. So he very very funny guy,

942
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:09,159
very very bright, very bright, polymathic, very very well read.

943
00:50:10,679 --> 00:50:13,679
But he said, it's the pursuit of the magnificence of

944
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:18,119
the universe that drives us. It's the acknowledgment. Einstein said,

945
00:50:18,119 --> 00:50:20,039
I just want to know how God thinks. Newton said,

946
00:50:20,039 --> 00:50:23,119
I just want to know the divine master plan. Swedenborg says,

947
00:50:23,159 --> 00:50:25,639
I just want to know the divine master plan. They

948
00:50:25,679 --> 00:50:28,840
were very deeply spiritual mystics, but at the same time,

949
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:33,119
scientists grounded very strongly, because true science is just a

950
00:50:33,159 --> 00:50:34,960
way of honoring the mystical path.

951
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

952
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:44,119
and now back to the show.

953
00:50:46,599 --> 00:50:48,559
Speaker 2: When you study the laws of the universe, and you

954
00:50:48,559 --> 00:50:51,360
go deeper into the laws of the universe, you get

955
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,639
to people like Schrodinger, who was a mystic. You get

956
00:50:53,679 --> 00:50:56,480
to Max Plant, who's a mystic. You get to you know,

957
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:58,679
some of the great Draq was a mystic. He was

958
00:50:58,679 --> 00:51:02,960
studying heraclitis and studying philosophy. You get to people that

959
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,960
are probing the mysteries because that's what they're doing in science.

960
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,599
So true science and true spirituality are not fighting at all.

961
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,519
They're really the same thing and might. And that's why

962
00:51:12,559 --> 00:51:15,920
I explore as many disciplines i can, because if it's

963
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,840
if to me, that's the highest spiritual quest and the

964
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,519
highest spiritual honor is to know what the universe has

965
00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:25,079
made out of it, how it's structured, how it works.

966
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,679
Speaker 1: And that's the thing that so many people think that, oh,

967
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,079
this is all just by accident or there is no

968
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:34,800
organizing idea or power behind it all. But there are

969
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:39,760
so many rules that there's certain things that are unbreakable rules.

970
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,599
Speaker 2: Well that's their laws. And the usual laws are unvilable.

971
00:51:43,159 --> 00:51:46,159
Human laws are unlivable. We come up, we come up

972
00:51:46,199 --> 00:51:49,400
with all these little moral constructs that are just trivial, and.

973
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,559
Speaker 1: It changes decades a decade. Yeah, culture and culture.

974
00:51:52,599 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 2: You know, smoking was terrible now, but it was once cool.

975
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:57,280
They said cool.

976
00:51:57,079 --> 00:52:00,599
Speaker 1: Cigarettes that doctors used to go the brand that I smoke.

977
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 2: I read a book, The Serpent and the Staff. It

978
00:52:06,119 --> 00:52:10,360
was about the history of of medicine. It's a fantastic book,

979
00:52:10,679 --> 00:52:14,280
and it showed that at one time coca cola that

980
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:22,199
had cocaine in it, yes, opium, morphine, opium, caffeine, sugar.

981
00:52:24,079 --> 00:52:28,599
They were sold there as a marketing to bring people

982
00:52:28,639 --> 00:52:33,639
into addiction, to build the business. That's where you went.

983
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:35,920
You went there to get that stuff. You got the

984
00:52:36,079 --> 00:52:40,960
cough syrup that full ofed with opium and codeine and pleasure. Right,

985
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,800
everything that was there that was sold pleasure was sold

986
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:48,360
as treatment. So they started out, you know, with trefining

987
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,440
operations for surgery, which is removing evil spirits, and they

988
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:55,400
came in with you know, potions to get rid of

989
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,760
evil demons or whatever. So they started out spiritual and

990
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:02,119
became sort of a cience, but it's really still based

991
00:53:02,159 --> 00:53:05,119
on that spiritual quest. How do we bring order to

992
00:53:05,559 --> 00:53:07,880
they call them orderlies in the hospital, try to bring

993
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:08,960
order to people's.

994
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:13,280
Speaker 1: Lives, beautifully said. Now, I wanted to touch upon trauma

995
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,440
because so many people. Not one of us gets out

996
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,960
of this, well, none of us get out of this alive.

997
00:53:19,079 --> 00:53:22,039
That's very slive. Secondly, every one of us has some

998
00:53:22,119 --> 00:53:25,039
sort of trauma or pain that we go through in life.

999
00:53:25,119 --> 00:53:28,000
That's part of it, the rules, that's a universalspable.

1000
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,599
Speaker 2: Yes, pain and pleasures can serve through time and space.

1001
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:35,679
Speaker 1: Absolutely so. Can trauma actually be a spiritual advantage? And

1002
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,599
if so, why does it feel like punishment while you're

1003
00:53:38,639 --> 00:53:39,039
in it?

1004
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,519
Speaker 2: If you live in the illusion that life has a

1005
00:53:41,559 --> 00:53:44,039
one sided thing and you're trying to get a one

1006
00:53:44,119 --> 00:53:47,239
sided system, the pursuit of a monopole will create a

1007
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,440
bipolar condition and you'll basically be trying to avoid pain

1008
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,000
and seek pleasure all your life. You can't. It's a

1009
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,519
waste of time even pursuing that, trying to do that,

1010
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:59,000
because they're inseparable. As I said, the pleasure of the

1011
00:53:59,039 --> 00:54:02,320
person that you and infatuated with, enamored with is the

1012
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:03,960
pain of the loss of them. If they go away

1013
00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:07,800
or they criticize you, it's terrifying. So that pleasure is

1014
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,800
the pain they can't The second, when you're neutral to somebody,

1015
00:54:11,039 --> 00:54:13,079
the pleasure and pain is now neutral. But the second

1016
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:14,320
you have a pleasure out of it, you have the

1017
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,880
fear of loss, the pain of loss. The second you

1018
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,480
have a pain about something, you have the pleasure of leaving,

1019
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,079
the pleasure of loss. The pain of being around somebody

1020
00:54:23,039 --> 00:54:25,800
you hate is the pleasure of escaping, and the pain

1021
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,199
of the person you like is the loss of.

1022
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 1: So is that what Buddha was trying to say when

1023
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,239
attachment is the root of all suffering?

1024
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Buddha was saying that the desire for that

1025
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,480
which is unobtainable and the desire to avoid that which

1026
00:54:36,519 --> 00:54:38,880
is unavoidable as the source of human suffering. And that's

1027
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,480
the attachment. The attachments are all the intrusive thoughts, are

1028
00:54:41,519 --> 00:54:44,239
the things you infatuate and resent, all of its distractions

1029
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:48,800
from being present and whole the soul. So I really

1030
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,480
believe that we have the capacity to transcend it. But

1031
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,280
trauma is not what happens to us. Trauma is what

1032
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,519
is based on what we expect and how we perceive it.

1033
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,400
I'll give you example. If I put your here, I

1034
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,519
don't know if anybody can see this here, I'd take

1035
00:55:02,519 --> 00:55:05,119
the hand here, Yes, and I take a sledgehammer. I've

1036
00:55:05,159 --> 00:55:06,159
got a big sledgehammer.

1037
00:55:07,199 --> 00:55:08,159
Speaker 1: Boom, slam it.

1038
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 2: Sure, just slam your finger. Sure, just flatten it. You're

1039
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:14,519
gonna go whoa.

1040
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:18,159
Speaker 1: Whoa, you go wow, I try to do more. But yes, yeah,

1041
00:55:18,199 --> 00:55:20,960
you don't want to punch me with the other hand.

1042
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,239
I die, punch me go man, you go.

1043
00:55:23,199 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 2: What's the heck? Because your expectation didn't think that was coming,

1044
00:55:27,079 --> 00:55:30,400
and you thought that's negative without positive. But now let

1045
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,239
me add a few twists to it. Okay, situational ethic here,

1046
00:55:35,199 --> 00:55:38,039
you're not motivated by money? Are you really? Not? Really?

1047
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:38,760
Speaker 1: Ay more?

1048
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,039
Speaker 2: Okay, none more. Well, let's just say I was going

1049
00:55:41,119 --> 00:55:45,360
to offer you a billion dollars okay billion cash, sure,

1050
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,320
and you could donate it to any spiritual quest you want,

1051
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,480
and you were going to have when I'm through, you're

1052
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,559
going to have an enlightened mind that's able to be

1053
00:55:55,639 --> 00:55:57,559
present and appreciative and inspired.

1054
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,119
Speaker 1: Well, so you're giving me both the material and the

1055
00:56:01,159 --> 00:56:02,440
spiritu both of them.

1056
00:56:02,519 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm giving you a NonStop flood of the

1057
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,639
best movie opportunities that you could ever dream of coming

1058
00:56:10,679 --> 00:56:10,960
your way.

1059
00:56:11,079 --> 00:56:13,119
Speaker 1: With a billion dollars that could make my own essentially.

1060
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you can make your movies and be spiritual

1061
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,679
whatever I can make Avatar. Sure, if I told you

1062
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,880
I'm going to have a magic wand and that's coming.

1063
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:26,559
If I get to slam that finger, it's all yours. Wow.

1064
00:56:27,559 --> 00:56:30,719
If I if I slam that finger, that will be

1065
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,719
sore for about a week, maybe ten days, The black

1066
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,880
and blue will be gone. He'll be back to normal,

1067
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:38,719
just like I've done as a carpenter or smashed his

1068
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,880
thumb manytimes. But if I gave you all that, you

1069
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,519
put your hand on there and slam away. Interesting, So

1070
00:56:46,679 --> 00:56:50,360
the expectation and the perception changed from the same exact

1071
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,239
act slamming the thumb. So it's not the slamming of

1072
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,800
the thumb that determines whether it's trauma or not. It's

1073
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:59,679
the expectations and the perceptions and what you believe you're

1074
00:56:59,679 --> 00:57:01,800
gonna get out of it. So if you believe that

1075
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:06,000
that's an opportunity. For instance, you know, Bruce Lee got

1076
00:57:06,039 --> 00:57:08,239
busted up pretty good. He had bad backs and injuries

1077
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,400
and neurologicals and all kind of stuff. But if he

1078
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,519
saw that that's going to get him the opportunity to

1079
00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:16,280
do a TV series and a major movies and everything else.

1080
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:20,239
To end it because the outcome was worth it. Football

1081
00:57:20,239 --> 00:57:22,280
players know they're going to have concussions, they're going to

1082
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,559
have probably brain damage and everything else, and they still

1083
00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:29,360
play football knowing that probability. So if the advantages are

1084
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,480
still outweighing the disadvantages, it's not trauma. Trauma is a

1085
00:57:32,599 --> 00:57:35,840
perception that sees more drawbacks and benefits. I have the

1086
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:38,440
opportunity to work with people every week, literally every week

1087
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,199
in my break to experience my signature program, and I

1088
00:57:41,239 --> 00:57:43,039
have people come in here and I was traumatized by this.

1089
00:57:43,199 --> 00:57:45,599
My dad did this, my mom did this. You know,

1090
00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:47,360
I was in this car crash and I'd lost this.

1091
00:57:48,079 --> 00:57:50,320
I have stories all the time, people narrative, and I

1092
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,360
ask them, good so, okay, I'm not denying some of

1093
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:56,199
those things that happened. The question is what's the benefit?

1094
00:57:56,719 --> 00:58:00,519
And they go, there is no benefit. Really, you've never looked, Look,

1095
00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:02,840
what is the benefit that came out of it? In

1096
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:07,400
that moment, What surjectory did that ship? Can I give

1097
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:08,159
a story about that?

1098
00:58:08,239 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: Sure?

1099
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 2: So I have this lady that comes to my break

1100
00:58:11,519 --> 00:58:18,119
to experience in Florida. She's her mom abandoned her when

1101
00:58:18,119 --> 00:58:21,440
she was a young child four. That's what's her story is.

1102
00:58:22,159 --> 00:58:24,519
That's the story she's had for thirty five years, going

1103
00:58:24,519 --> 00:58:28,679
to a therapist. So thirty five, she's thirty nine and

1104
00:58:30,199 --> 00:58:35,599
her mom abandoned her. So she's this wounded, abandoned child,

1105
00:58:36,239 --> 00:58:40,920
victimized by her mom and thinking she's not good enough

1106
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,559
associating with people that treat her that way because she's

1107
00:58:44,599 --> 00:58:47,360
treating herself that way, and the whole story and I

1108
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:49,519
and she wanted to run the story. She wanted to

1109
00:58:49,559 --> 00:58:52,280
run a narrative and get sympathy, right, which her therapist,

1110
00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:57,000
you know, was obviously collecting on, you know. And I said,

1111
00:58:57,079 --> 00:59:01,400
I said, all right, so let's go. What did you

1112
00:59:01,519 --> 00:59:05,599
think you missed out on when your mom left? And

1113
00:59:05,639 --> 00:59:07,800
she said, well, I didn't get guidance, and I didn't

1114
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:12,039
get attention, I didn't get affection. And she listed all

1115
00:59:12,079 --> 00:59:15,719
the things she thought she missed out on. Nothing's missing,

1116
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,400
it just is in a different form. They're not acknowledging.

1117
00:59:19,119 --> 00:59:23,000
So who provided you guidance when your mom left at

1118
00:59:23,039 --> 00:59:27,039
age four? Nobody? Nobody. I didn't ask that, you answered

1119
00:59:27,079 --> 00:59:29,119
before you even thought, you didn't even try to look

1120
00:59:29,559 --> 00:59:35,679
who gave you guidance? And she finally said my aunt? Great?

1121
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:40,400
Who else? My best friend's mom? Who else? Another best

1122
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:46,519
friend's mom? Who else? A teacher? Good? And when they faded,

1123
00:59:46,639 --> 00:59:50,239
who emerged? And I showed her and traced who was

1124
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,239
giving her guidance from the day or mom left, all

1125
00:59:52,239 --> 00:59:55,159
the way till today. And then we did that for

1126
00:59:55,199 --> 00:59:56,199
every one of those traits.

1127
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: You were breaking down our story.

1128
00:59:58,039 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 2: I'll breaking down her story.

1129
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: And I said, so, we'll be right back after a

1130
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:09,280
word from our sponsor. And now back to the show.

1131
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 2: Now, what was the benefit of these people providing that

1132
01:00:15,239 --> 01:00:17,760
instead of your mom? What was the benefit of them

1133
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:22,320
providing it? I can't see any you haven't looked. Try again,

1134
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,079
I said, Well, I learned a different language. I was

1135
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,280
with my aunt. We'd learned a different language. And she

1136
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,360
had took me to the movies. And I have a

1137
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:33,320
love for movies, and she's taken me and we go

1138
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:38,519
and know all about movies and what else? I got

1139
01:00:38,519 --> 01:00:40,760
to go on adventures because my aunt was married to

1140
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,000
a guy that took us out camping and doing things,

1141
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:44,599
and yeah.

1142
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:46,719
Speaker 1: All because her mom left her for and.

1143
01:00:46,679 --> 01:00:49,159
Speaker 2: Then we did it. And so she got a tear

1144
01:00:49,159 --> 01:00:51,360
in your eye and she goes, this is a lot

1145
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:52,880
of blessings that came in my Mi linfe. I said,

1146
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:56,119
now let's go back. If your mom had given you

1147
01:00:56,199 --> 01:01:00,000
that guidance, what'll been the drawback? At first she said, well,

1148
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,280
it wouldn't be me. I said, no, that's the fantasy.

1149
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:05,440
If your mom had been there the whole time and

1150
01:01:05,519 --> 01:01:09,840
didn't leave, what had been the drawback? And she stared

1151
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:13,599
in space for a minute, got a tear in the eye,

1152
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,920
and then shook. I said, what is it? She said

1153
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:20,119
something my aunt told me when I was four that

1154
01:01:20,199 --> 01:01:26,599
I just remembered. What was it? I couldn't hear it

1155
01:01:26,639 --> 01:01:29,599
until just now I just got it. My aunt said,

1156
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:31,800
your mom had bipolar condition.

1157
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 1: Oh she wasn't capable, and.

1158
01:01:34,199 --> 01:01:39,159
Speaker 2: Your mom put you in a bath and forgot you

1159
01:01:39,199 --> 01:01:43,159
were there, and the water was not it was getting

1160
01:01:43,199 --> 01:01:46,199
hotter and hotter and hotter, and you almost scalded and

1161
01:01:46,239 --> 01:01:50,760
you almost drowned. And lucky she came back and she

1162
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:54,239
realized she forgot all about her daughter, and so she

1163
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:59,679
asked her sister. She said, I almost killed my daughter.

1164
01:02:00,639 --> 01:02:03,519
I can't face the idea that could ever happen again.

1165
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:06,440
I'm not in a position where I can raise my child.

1166
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:10,079
Will you help me? So she gave the child to

1167
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:15,079
the aunt the sister, and the sister understood and wanted

1168
01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:15,800
to have a child.

1169
01:02:17,159 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 1: So it worked out for her as well.

1170
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Speaker 2: So when she stopped and realized that the entire story

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of thirty five years that I was an abandoned child

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disappeared gone, and then her self image changed. Her desire

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to see her mom changed. She wanted to see her

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her Her fear about rejection was gone, her appreciation of

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01:02:44,039 --> 01:02:47,280
all the options she had changed, and the so called

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story of the traumatic abandonment was no longer even in existence.

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She then lost weight. She ended up allowing herself to

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date really quality people instead of just the guys that

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were beating her up because she was not worthy and

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useless and rejected. All that story changed, and she went

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on to write a book. I mean, her life changed

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01:03:10,119 --> 01:03:12,519
the moment she changed her perception. That's why William James said,

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the greatest discovery of his generations the human beings can

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alter in their lives and alterning by altering their perceptions

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and attitude to mind the expectations. So when she asked

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the new set of questions and held herself accountable to

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do it, I held her accountable. I was a mean

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booger doing that, but I got over the hump. She

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gave me a big hugg atty and she says, you

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just transformed thirty five years worth a story into positive

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I love from my mom. I said, now we're talking,

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01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,480
and now we're seeing the hidden order in the apparent chaos,

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and now we're seeing the spirituality and what we thought

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wasn't spiritual. And that's where we labeled things out of

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our ignorance instead of loved things of our wisdom.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's so part. Thank you for sharing that story.

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You know. I'll tell you a quick story of myself

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when I discovered this is when I was twenty six.

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My first book I wrote was based on probably the

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most traumatic time of my life, which is when I

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was kind of locked in with the mob to make

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a twenty million dollar movie about a mobster's life, and

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my life was threatened on a daily basis for a year.

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But then at the same time, I was flown out

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to la and I met the biggest movie stars in

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the world and billion dollar producers and so on. But

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I was twenty six. I no, I had no defense.

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I had no way to deal with this situation.

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Speaker 2: The pain and the pleasure of the pain.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it was like it was so extreme. I mean,

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you're sitting here neck talking to Batman.

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Speaker 2: That's when you were able to embrace your villain. You

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01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:40,760
get to be your hero.

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Speaker 1: So that's what happened. So then it took me price

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01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:48,039
seventeen years before I wrote the book, and as I

1216
01:04:48,079 --> 01:04:50,880
was writing the book, I started to unravel it all

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01:04:51,639 --> 01:04:53,920
and the order I saw, the order of it. It

1218
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:57,360
was extremely painful to go through. But once I saw it,

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01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:00,960
I was like, you know, if it wasn't for Hi Him,

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01:05:01,639 --> 01:05:04,159
I probably wouldn't be doing the work I'm doing today,

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01:05:04,239 --> 01:05:08,920
exactly because my first instinct was I want to teach

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01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:13,440
others how to avoid this pain. So I started teaching

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01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:17,159
filmmakers how to make it in the business. And then

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years later I took the next step and opened up

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a podcast, and then that led me to this opening

1226
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up a spiritual podcast helping people find but the instinct

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01:05:29,039 --> 01:05:32,119
to help and to put myself out there in the world,

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all because of him. He did his job in this life,

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01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:40,199
you know, and he was a but he did what

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he needed.

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Speaker 2: Anytime you're addicted to one pull of a magnet, the

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other pole and a magnet smacks you until you see

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both sides.

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Speaker 1: Say that one more time.

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Speaker 2: Anytime you're addicted to one poll of a magnet, the

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other pole of the magnet smacks you until you see

1237
01:05:51,119 --> 01:05:55,159
both sides. So if you're addicted to praise, you attract criticism.

1238
01:05:55,159 --> 01:05:59,159
You're adicted to protection, you attract it's true, to attract

1239
01:05:59,199 --> 01:06:03,239
the perpetrator. You're addicted to innocent sexual innocence, you attract

1240
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:06,199
the perpetrator. These are all pairs of opposites that try

1241
01:06:06,239 --> 01:06:08,480
to teach you that if you're addicted to something, you'll

1242
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:11,119
stay juvenilely dependent, and you need the challenger to make

1243
01:06:11,119 --> 01:06:14,360
you procosial, to see independently and grow up. One stimulates

1244
01:06:14,519 --> 01:06:18,320
the the estrogen that keeps you youthful and young and

1245
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:20,480
like a little baby independent, and the other one gets

1246
01:06:20,519 --> 01:06:22,320
a test austin ready for you to fight and fight,

1247
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:25,079
ready to go. You need both in life, maximum growth

1248
01:06:25,079 --> 01:06:27,679
and development occurs at the border of all pairs of opposites.

1249
01:06:28,239 --> 01:06:32,119
Speaker 1: So with all these all this talk about the negative

1250
01:06:32,119 --> 01:06:34,119
and the positive and we you know, seeing both. Like

1251
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:38,760
you just said, the world seems a bit upside down now, John,

1252
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:41,480
It seems a little crazy.

1253
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:44,639
Speaker 2: And highly polarized, very highly polarized.

1254
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 1: So so many things are happening in every industry in

1255
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:51,800
the world, from politics to food, to religion to everything.

1256
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:53,840
It seems like things are just crackling.

1257
01:06:54,079 --> 01:06:58,079
Speaker 2: As AI becomes more intelligent, emotions have to be volatile

1258
01:06:58,119 --> 01:07:02,519
to balance. So say that as the AI comes in

1259
01:07:02,599 --> 01:07:07,079
and integrates the intelligence and makes us have access to

1260
01:07:07,159 --> 01:07:11,400
things that we hadn't seen before, the emotional polarities will

1261
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:13,800
have to be balance that process. That's part of the

1262
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:17,760
nature of the creation. There was a It wasn't Nietzsche.

1263
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:24,239
It was Shri no ur a Bindo sre Arbindo and

1264
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:28,800
the Life Divine, the book he did Life devint. He

1265
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:33,920
said that as spirituality expands, so does materiality. As unity expands,

1266
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:37,039
so do's duality. And as we strive for one, so

1267
01:07:37,079 --> 01:07:40,039
does the other. To make sure we maintain an equilibrium

1268
01:07:40,039 --> 01:07:40,760
to keep us growing.

1269
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 1: So everything that's going on right now, so many people

1270
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:46,679
feel so fearful about what's happening? What advice do you

1271
01:07:46,679 --> 01:07:47,280
have for them?

1272
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:50,159
Speaker 2: If they are unfatuated with how it should be, they're

1273
01:07:50,159 --> 01:07:51,840
going to feel the loss of it. And if they

1274
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:54,079
are resentful about how it is, they're going to fear

1275
01:07:54,119 --> 01:07:56,920
the gain of it, and they're going to be caught.

1276
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,159
Instead of asking the questions, how do I see both

1277
01:07:59,199 --> 01:08:03,239
sides of most sides? Whenever I see something that somebody

1278
01:08:03,239 --> 01:08:05,840
says that's terrible, you know, it's like the story about

1279
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:08,000
the guy. Remember whether he has the farm and he

1280
01:08:08,039 --> 01:08:08,519
has a son.

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01:08:08,679 --> 01:08:10,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the old Jennies proverb.

1282
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it may be if you say so, because

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01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:15,480
you think this is terrible my son, and you know,

1284
01:08:15,559 --> 01:08:17,800
he injures himself, he can't work in the fields. The

1285
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:20,760
town people say that's terrible, and then you know the

1286
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,000
next day and then they find out that he gets

1287
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:24,880
a horse, and now you can plow the fields, and

1288
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:26,880
that's now it's good if you say so. And he

1289
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:30,039
goes back and forth and back and forth. People want

1290
01:08:30,039 --> 01:08:32,479
to quickly jump to a conclusion and put a label

1291
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:34,880
on things, which is an amigler response instead of an

1292
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:38,880
executive center where reason occurs. But wisdom is asking questions

1293
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:41,880
to see both sides simultaneously, where we liberate ourselves from

1294
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:46,119
the emotional vicissitudes and see things as they are. Because

1295
01:08:46,199 --> 01:08:49,600
right now there may be polarities, but the law varistic

1296
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:53,000
escalation keeps those polarities in equilibrium even though they are

1297
01:08:53,039 --> 01:08:55,079
non local. We just have to open our eyes and

1298
01:08:55,079 --> 01:08:56,680
see on a broader scale where the other side of

1299
01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:57,319
the equation is.

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01:08:58,239 --> 01:09:01,319
Speaker 1: That is something that I've noticed that throughout human history

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01:09:01,359 --> 01:09:05,600
that when a great negative comes up, a great positive always.

1302
01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 2: Always How can you have a villain without a hero?

1303
01:09:08,359 --> 01:09:10,800
Can't have a hero of nine eleven without a villain.

1304
01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't have a villain in World War two without.

1305
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 2: And the people we thought were heroes, the you know

1306
01:09:18,039 --> 01:09:21,239
the guy that rode the bicycle, Lance Armstrong, he's a villain.

1307
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:24,600
And Bill coss Owain I learned a long time ago

1308
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:26,640
when I went through that dictionary. I have every trait.

1309
01:09:27,079 --> 01:09:29,640
I'm both hero and villain. I'm not a nice person,

1310
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:32,039
I'm not a mean person. I'm an individual with a

1311
01:09:32,079 --> 01:09:34,119
set of values. And you support my values. I can

1312
01:09:34,159 --> 01:09:36,479
mean nice as a pussy cat, just a gentle soul.

1313
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:39,479
You challenge my values. I mean as a tiger I

1314
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:43,359
have both sides. I'm both kind and cruel and nice

1315
01:09:43,399 --> 01:09:46,800
and mean and pleasant, unpleasant and generous and stingy and

1316
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:50,680
thoughtless and thoughtful. I have all the above. And any

1317
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,239
part that you can't own in your life and embrace

1318
01:09:53,279 --> 01:09:55,159
in your life is a disown part. And that just

1319
01:09:55,199 --> 01:09:56,880
on part. You're going to keep attracting people in your

1320
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:57,720
life to help you see it.

1321
01:09:58,279 --> 01:10:01,359
Speaker 1: So when do you mean by what is the science

1322
01:10:01,399 --> 01:10:04,600
behind attracting the people and attracting the situations to teach you.

1323
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:07,159
Speaker 2: These Whatever you run away, Just like Carl Jung says,

1324
01:10:07,199 --> 01:10:09,359
whatever you run away from, you keep running into. Because

1325
01:10:09,399 --> 01:10:11,479
if you're running away from something and trying to get

1326
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:14,640
to the opposite pole, that poll comes with a magnet.

1327
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:16,600
It's got the other side, so it smacks you with

1328
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:20,119
unexpected So if you think you got this relationship that's

1329
01:10:20,119 --> 01:10:22,720
going to be all pleasure, no pain, or fifty one

1330
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:25,920
percent pleasure with that pain, wait just a matter of

1331
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:27,800
time before you start to realize that that's not what

1332
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:31,840
I expected, because you had an unrealistic expectation that people

1333
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:33,600
can be one sided. Not going to happen.

1334
01:10:35,079 --> 01:10:37,600
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor.

1335
01:10:41,239 --> 01:10:45,640
And now back to the show. So that is why

1336
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:51,720
a relationship that lasts twenty years is because they understand

1337
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:54,439
that there is both, they both, there's no delusion.

1338
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 2: The longer with somebody, the more you can say both

1339
01:10:57,079 --> 01:10:59,479
the things you like and dislike and rattle them off equally.

1340
01:10:59,640 --> 01:11:02,560
Oh well, if you first meet somebody, you can laddle

1341
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:04,880
the pauses. You're short on the negatives because you're ignorant.

1342
01:11:05,119 --> 01:11:06,199
That's a sign of ignorance.

1343
01:11:06,359 --> 01:11:08,600
Speaker 1: That's why that thing you said that, like, do you

1344
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:13,600
ever think of divorce? No, murder, murder exactly. That's a murder,

1345
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:14,880
murder all the time.

1346
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:15,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, murder.

1347
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:18,279
Speaker 1: And I think anyone who's married it's such a perfect like,

1348
01:11:18,359 --> 01:11:19,399
I never thought of divorce.

1349
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 2: Well, look at love making. You know what love making

1350
01:11:23,039 --> 01:11:25,920
is it tugs and slugs. Come close to me, honey,

1351
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:27,640
get away, come close, get away.

1352
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:28,279
Speaker 1: I love man.

1353
01:11:28,319 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 2: That's love making, right, attraction and repulsion.

1354
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:35,560
Speaker 1: So that is the law of our existence here.

1355
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:38,199
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. And at the acquint to Paul

1356
01:11:38,239 --> 01:11:40,920
Durak and his principles of quantum mechanics in nineteen forty seven,

1357
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:43,319
you said that there was every particle had its handed

1358
01:11:43,359 --> 01:11:46,319
particle and so and in the purpose of marriage. I

1359
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:50,319
think it's foolish to think it's purposes happiness. The purpose

1360
01:11:50,359 --> 01:11:52,079
of marriage is to find some of you can delegate

1361
01:11:52,119 --> 01:11:53,880
low party stuff too that you don't want to do

1362
01:11:54,079 --> 01:11:56,600
that they love doing, and get cheap labor value out

1363
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:59,800
of the spouse. I'm joking.

1364
01:12:00,359 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 1: Yes, it's a it's a joke everyone, but there's enough

1365
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:03,000
laughter there.

1366
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:07,199
Speaker 2: That's my spouse. You know. The purpose of that is

1367
01:12:07,199 --> 01:12:09,000
to have somebody to talk about things that help you

1368
01:12:09,039 --> 01:12:09,800
go to sleep at night.

1369
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:15,640
Speaker 1: I find it that having a spouse, having a partner

1370
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:19,439
in life is about balance. They if they are, if

1371
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:21,319
you're both the exact I've told my.

1372
01:12:21,239 --> 01:12:22,720
Speaker 2: Wife it's not necessary then yeah.

1373
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 1: When I told I tell my wife that all the time,

1374
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:27,000
and she's like, if I'm up in the air, I'm

1375
01:12:27,039 --> 01:12:33,520
the balloons. She's the rock on the floor holding the balloon. Now,

1376
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:37,079
without the balloon moving, the rock goes nowhere. But if

1377
01:12:37,119 --> 01:12:39,920
the rock wasn't there, the balloon would just fly off.

1378
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:41,119
Speaker 2: That's it. That's description.

1379
01:12:41,399 --> 01:12:44,039
Speaker 1: That is the balance that a good relationship ads.

1380
01:12:44,399 --> 01:12:50,119
Speaker 2: That's what they call psychology means psycho logo. It was

1381
01:12:50,159 --> 01:12:51,640
like wayne logic and psycho.

1382
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 1: When White wait, the Great Way feeling back when Wayne

1383
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:58,000
Dyer was I had the pleasure of meeting him and

1384
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:01,439
and and seeing him speak on multiple occasions. He said

1385
01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:03,800
this one thing. He's like, anytime I hear a new

1386
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:06,319
a person come up, Oh I have this girlfriend or

1387
01:13:06,319 --> 01:13:10,359
this boyfriend, he finishes my sentences. Oh, I'd love them.

1388
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:12,000
They do. They watch the same movies.

1389
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:13,359
Speaker 2: I watch a murder in the making.

1390
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:16,359
Speaker 1: It's like they're done in a few weeks. They're just

1391
01:13:16,399 --> 01:13:17,079
they're not going to make it.

1392
01:13:17,079 --> 01:13:19,760
Speaker 2: They're highly infatuated and they're blind to the downsides. They're

1393
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:21,359
going to be smacked and they're going to be resentful

1394
01:13:21,399 --> 01:13:22,000
when it happens.

1395
01:13:22,239 --> 01:13:26,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, exactly. One thing I wanted to ask you.

1396
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:28,720
You know, we're we're surrounded here by some of these

1397
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:34,680
masters that on the wall here, great walking masters, descended masters,

1398
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:39,199
and Buddha obviously popularized the idea at least that I

1399
01:13:39,279 --> 01:13:43,079
understand of enlightenment, and people in the spiritual space who

1400
01:13:43,079 --> 01:13:45,399
are in the spiritual quest are always looking for this

1401
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:51,199
destination called enlightenment. What is your understanding or misunderstanding that

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people have about this idea of enlightenment.

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Speaker 2: Well, I've had the opportunity to meet a lot of

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people who think they're enlightened.

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Speaker 1: You've been to Hollywoo too.

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Speaker 2: But there's how I think about it. I'm going to

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do a little development of this. We live on a planet.

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It's about twenty four thousand miles around, about eight thousand

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miles in you know diamond. It spins around in twenty

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four hours eighty six sconds. It's ninety three million miles

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or one astronomical unit away from the Sun. And there's

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a little guru that's sitting in a lotus position, going

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around in the hamster wheel on the planet. I am enlightened.

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I am enlightened. I am enlightened. From the Sun, we

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can barely see the Earth. We need a telescope. It's

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non discernible. It's a little dot that can even be

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seen ninety three million miles away. It's too small without

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a telescope.

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Speaker 1: If you were on the Sun.

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Speaker 2: If you're on the Sun, the Sun is twenty six

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to twenty seven thousand light years away. That's one hundred

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and eighty six thousand miles a second times one and

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eighty six thousand, four and seconds in a day.

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Speaker 1: How far is the Sun from us?

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Speaker 2: The Sun is ninety three million miles miles. But from

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the sin of the Milky Way. Oh, it's twenty six

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thousand lights. Yes, yes, now light year. The light travels

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one hundred and eighty six thousand miles a second. There's

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eighty six thousand, four and seconds in a day. There's

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three under and sixty five days in a year. In

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a quarter. Multiple those numbers, then multiply that times twenty

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six thousand, twenty seven thousand. That's the distance to the

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Milky Way that light has to travel for an observer

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to see our solar system, which is indiscernible because of

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the dust, and our planet's non even existent. The Milky

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Way is part of a local group that's part of

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a Virgo cluster. The Virgo cluster is part of a

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super lannaia kea supercluster, and that's part of a even

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a bigger system in a great wall and a great

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attractor and repeller, and that's got voids and clusters all

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around it to infinity. There's trillions of those. And that's

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just the observable universe. So now this little guy sitting

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on this little speck on this planet that thinks they know,

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they're all enlightened. As Socrates said, whatever you know is

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an infintesimal compared to what you don't know. So to say,

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as Einstein said, to live with holy curiosity and to

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continue expanding your awareness would be wisdom. To think that

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you're all enlightened would be folly. So we have what

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is called relative awareness, relative enlightenment. You only know what

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you know, and even that's sometimes questionable. So when I

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meet somebody that thinks are all enlightened, I question that

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because they don't know whether you're going to pass gas

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01:16:59,079 --> 01:16:59,960
in the next two minutes.

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Speaker 1: Right, You're not all you know?

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Speaker 2: You know, I have relative awareness in the areas of

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expertise that I've pursued, which is an infinitesimal, an insignificant

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nothingness that will turn into dust and be poofed. So

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I'd rather live with holy curiosity and continue to expand

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my awareness and honor that. And relative to maybe somebody

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who thinks I know something in an area of my expertise,

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I can be help them see things they don't see,

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but they can certainly help me see things I don't see. Now,

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what's interesting is I met a gentleman who is a

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professor in Nashville, Tennessee. He had a PhD. Very intelligent guy.

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I asked him what his PhD was. He said it

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was on the life of William James, on a portion

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of his life, A portion of his life, a tiny

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01:17:56,239 --> 01:18:00,560
aspect of William James, father of modern Psychology's life, PhD

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in it. Now, he's got a very advanced doctor at

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PhD and very well respected for this piece he did.

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But he just studied a tiny little piece of one

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man's life. So is the person that's raising a child

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for thirty or forty years any less knowledgeable about that

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particular thing? You know, They know that child, don't they,

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01:18:22,920 --> 01:18:25,479
of course, And so they're enlightened in the area of

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their expertise, but they may not have the same area

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of somebody else. So to label somebody just because they

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01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:37,239
study spiritual scrolls or texts doesn't mean that they're more

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spiritually aware. It just means they've studied a tradition and

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they're scholarly about that tradition. And that's just one of

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many traditions on this tiny speck and this distant planet.

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So I'm a firm believer that it's wise to study

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01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:55,039
all of them right, learn and find as much as

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you can and be inclusive and not be trapped by

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any of them, because they can trap you into thinking

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that's spiritual. And if you're not that, well, then you

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01:19:03,359 --> 01:19:05,880
you know it's an in group outgroup bias. I'm spiritual,

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you're not. Well, Oh no, I'm spiritual, you're not. That's

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not It's about the soul, the state of unconditioned love,

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which is more inclusive than the exclusions and the limitations

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of a time and space. You know, our brain likes

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01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:27,039
to isolate. Well, at six hundred BC, there was an

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enlightened person or our aster is about the same time, right,

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and confucious about the same time. And these were relatively

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01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:39,199
aware individuals with some differences and some similarities and teachings.

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Extract what is wisdom out of that, honored that they've

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01:19:44,359 --> 01:19:46,800
given you a piece of the jigsaw puzzle, and continue

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to grow, continue to awaken to what you don't know tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: I find it that the masters who are actually that

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I like to study and follow and explore are the

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ones who say I'm here just to show that you

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have the power within you. And those anytime anyone goes

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I'm the guy, follow me, I run.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because they're they're now as long as you're green,

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01:20:13,319 --> 01:20:14,840
you're growing in his sues and you're ripe and your

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01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:19,439
rot so well, that's great. So if you're if you're

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a humble I always say when you when you have

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a humbleness to the what you don't know, and you

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01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:28,399
just keep learning, like Socrates. Socrates consider himself the most

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01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:30,840
unwise person of all, and everybody else thought he was

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the wisest because he was aware of what Lily knew

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compared to the infinitude of what was there.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

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and now back to the show, right right.

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Speaker 2: That's because because I mean, I study. I've been studying

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01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:54,960
pretty well every single day for fifty three years, which

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I learned how to read a book I started, and

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but there's no end to that. I get to learn tomorrow.

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Because the amount of knowledge is growing faster than anyone

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human being can do. Even AI won't be able to

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01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:07,600
keep up with it, because it's just still able to

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01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:10,560
keep up with all the new variations and insights, because

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advantage points is constantly changing and the insights are compounding fascinating.

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Speaker 1: If you could give people one spiritual principle that would

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01:21:20,119 --> 01:21:22,880
immediately change how they experienced life, What would it be

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and why do we resist it?

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Speaker 2: No matter what you've done or not done, you're still

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01:21:28,079 --> 01:21:33,399
worthy of love. What because whatever you've done is participating

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01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:35,399
in a pair of opposites that somebody is doing the

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01:21:35,399 --> 01:21:39,880
opposite to make sure it's balanced in nature. Wow. So

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if somebody is critical of you, look for the praiser.

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And if you're addicted to praise, which keeps you juvenile, independent,

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honor the criticizer. They're going to make you grow. They're

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going to make you look at what you don't love

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01:21:51,279 --> 01:21:54,560
about yourself. So, no matter what you've done or not done,

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you're worthy of love, and so are the people around you.

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And that you know some people what about this per

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What about that person? What about this?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: The only person you're afraid to love is the part

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the person that represents the parts you haven't integrated and

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01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:10,640
loved in yourself.

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Speaker 1: Are we afraid of what we're not capable of doing

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01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:17,600
or are we truly afraid of what we are truly

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01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:18,199
capable of?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're probably frightened of what our power is and

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01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:24,800
we're also frightened of not living our power.

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Speaker 1: At the same time.

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Speaker 2: Same time, that's the difference between actuality and potential that

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Aristotle addressed when he was writing.

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01:22:33,119 --> 01:22:36,239
Speaker 1: It's amazing, John, Where can people find out more about

1552
01:22:36,239 --> 01:22:37,520
you and the amazing work you're doing.

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01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:40,920
Speaker 2: Well, they just go to doctor DeMartini dot com and

1554
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:43,840
they can go do my value determination process it's free.

1555
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:46,079
Or they can go and check out what we're doing

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01:22:46,319 --> 01:22:49,560
breakthrough experience or products or whatever. Or they can just

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01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:52,720
go and read. There's enough information on there that's going

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01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:54,880
to keep them busy enough for more than one life.

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Speaker 1: Fair enough, John, it is I could. I would love

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to continue. You're talking to you for hours and hours

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01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:05,039
and hours, so next time you're around, my friend, please

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01:23:05,479 --> 01:23:07,520
stop by. This has been such a pleasure and honor

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01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:10,119
speaking to you, and I truly hope that this conversation

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breaks some paradigms for people with their minds out there.

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So I appreciate you and everything you're doing to awaken

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the planet, my friend.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for doing exactly the same thing.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you for spending this sacred time with

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us today. If you feel called to explore this conversation further,

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