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<v Speaker 1>Is this Fred Durst on the radio program today? Is

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<v Speaker 1>that what I'm hearing? Is this Fred Durst? Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>so this must mean so Scott Mitchell was supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>join us a segment. But if you're playing Limp Biscuit,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Scott Mitchell. It's his walk up song.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Scott Mitchell's walk up song. So okay, a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of things here. Tell Scott Mitchell he's dead to me? Please,

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<v Speaker 1>will you please pass that message along?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm serious. Tell them say you are dead to Spence.

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<v Speaker 2>Spence says you're dead. To tell him he's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be sleeping with the fishes.

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<v Speaker 1>There's gonna be a horse's head in his bed when

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<v Speaker 1>he wakes up.

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<v Speaker 2>You be careful what that's a big guy. I ain't afraid.

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<v Speaker 2>Harder they fall. Everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face.

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<v Speaker 1>Scott is a big guy. Our next get you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>That's cheap.

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<v Speaker 1>That's cheap, and I'm bigger than that. Okay, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to do that to our guy because I did

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<v Speaker 1>it enough last week. Because we love our guy. We

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<v Speaker 1>love our guy. We're gonna get back to some college football.

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<v Speaker 1>But there is a little RSL news, the Nunky Calf

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<v Speaker 1>Champions Cup or whatever the hell they're calling it.

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<v Speaker 2>The draft took place. They signed a new player.

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<v Speaker 1>The historian, the unofficial historian, the Wikipedia wiki tray, Senior VP.

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<v Speaker 2>What's your title? These days? I always lose track?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, VP of Communications, But I've answered a pretty much anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but don't be pretentious now that you're a VP. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody wants to hear that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not a new thing, just to you. I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>Trey Fitzgerald is our guest on a Friday. I kid

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<v Speaker 1>because we love him. Happy Friday, buddy, how are we doing?

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<v Speaker 3>Happy Friday? That is the best intro song I could

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<v Speaker 3>have ever imagined. That's behind blue Eyes. What a great

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<v Speaker 3>lymp Biscuit track.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't know what the name is, and don't say that

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<v Speaker 1>it's great, but I you know, I probably shouldn't give

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<v Speaker 1>you too much of a hard time, because, as you admitted,

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<v Speaker 1>lymp Biscuit got you through your second divorce.

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<v Speaker 3>The first, not the second.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh what which which horrible pop artists got you through

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<v Speaker 1>your second divorce?

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<v Speaker 3>Rihanna not horrible? All right?

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<v Speaker 1>Biscuit gets him through his first. Rihanna gets in through

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<v Speaker 1>a second. Any prediction as far as what will get

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<v Speaker 1>you through third.

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<v Speaker 3>There will be it's third. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Man, I don't know. And look I

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<v Speaker 1>can't talk. But let's move on from it quickly before

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<v Speaker 1>we get ourselves in trouble, all right, fill us in.

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<v Speaker 1>It was and look, I'm a I didn't know much

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<v Speaker 1>about the CONCA CAF stuff until our first experience back

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<v Speaker 1>in the day two thousand and nine to ten or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>and what I experienced and I'm like, this is this

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<v Speaker 1>is a.

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<v Speaker 2>Really cool tournament.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm excited that RSL is back in Conca calf

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<v Speaker 1>What do we know?

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<v Speaker 2>What do we need to know about the draw?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, honestly, Spence, this has been rejuvenating. Obviously disappointing endo

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<v Speaker 3>the season with the penalty kicks, shootout losses against Minnesota

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<v Speaker 3>kind of go into a dark time when you take

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<v Speaker 3>your foot off the gas, uh, But you gain perspective,

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<v Speaker 3>and we did have a very successful twenty twenty four

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<v Speaker 3>season with the points and the goals and the home wins.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think the tangible success piece is earning a

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<v Speaker 3>CONCACAF birth and getting back into continental competition for the

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<v Speaker 3>first time in eight years. So we had the draw

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<v Speaker 3>on Tuesday and Real Salt Lake is matched up with

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<v Speaker 3>the Costa Rican club named Herediano, and we will play

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<v Speaker 3>down there in Costa Rica against Herediano on February nineteenth,

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<v Speaker 3>and then they turn around and come back and play

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<v Speaker 3>up here at America First Field in Sandy on February

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<v Speaker 3>twenty six and we are so excited to be back

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<v Speaker 3>in that competition. We're able to get out of those

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<v Speaker 3>two legs against Herediano, we'll go and play a two

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<v Speaker 3>leg series in the round of sixteen against La Galaxy

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<v Speaker 3>that just won MLS Cup last Saturday. So now the

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<v Speaker 3>pieces are kind of starting to fall into place so

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<v Speaker 3>we can plan for next year.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't you tell me at one point the Galaxy were

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<v Speaker 1>too soft to win MLS Cup this year?

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<v Speaker 3>I did it, knows how little I know what I'm

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<v Speaker 3>talking about. You know what, they were harder without Ricky

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<v Speaker 3>Pousche on the field, and that's why they won MLS Cup.

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<v Speaker 3>They're not soft anymore, just.

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<v Speaker 2>Their best player. Yeah, okay, yeah, all right, fair enough,

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<v Speaker 2>all right.

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<v Speaker 1>If we expand our horizons and RSL goes and potentially

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<v Speaker 1>either wins this tournament or shows very well, what are

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<v Speaker 1>the benefits for the club should they make a good

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<v Speaker 1>run in CONCA CAF.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, first and foremost money. You get hundreds of thousands

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<v Speaker 3>of dollars for playing in and then advancing from each round.

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<v Speaker 3>You win CONCA CAF Champions Cup, you get five million

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<v Speaker 3>dollars on top of that, and then you get a

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<v Speaker 3>berth in both the Club World Cup for FIFA and

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<v Speaker 3>then a new tournament called the FIFA Intercontinental Cup. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know exactly what that means and what that is,

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<v Speaker 3>but hey, to get to get into two tournaments where

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<v Speaker 3>you're potentially playing against Manchester United or Real Madrid with

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<v Speaker 3>trophies and money on the line, that's pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of MLS Cup, and I know I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>get the tray spin on this, and that's fine. But

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<v Speaker 1>according to Sports Business Journal, the linear audience was down

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<v Speaker 1>massively and c K and I were debating and the

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<v Speaker 1>number we put was five hundred k and it ended

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<v Speaker 1>up four hundred and thirty one thousand people watched MLS Cup.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that's obviously not a great number, of course, streaming,

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<v Speaker 1>Apple TV, whatever, But what's the league stance on a

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<v Speaker 1>number for the biggest game of the season that didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have a great viewing audience according to Sports Business Journal.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it looks it's disappointing, right, It's fifty percent

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<v Speaker 3>less than MLS Cup was on Fox the year before.

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<v Speaker 3>I think what kind of gets lost in some of

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<v Speaker 3>these top line conversations is we don't know how many

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<v Speaker 3>people were able to watch on Apple on top of that,

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<v Speaker 3>and obviously now we are two years into training people

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<v Speaker 3>to go to Apple for MLS. I believe the previous

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<v Speaker 3>Cup had almost two million viewers on Apple on top

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<v Speaker 3>of that Fox number. So you know, it is a

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<v Speaker 3>disappointing Linear number, But I would I would imagine two

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<v Speaker 3>two and a half million people probably watched streaming on

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<v Speaker 3>Apple last Saturday. So that would lead you to say, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>we have a break even audience between English, Spanish, Apple

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<v Speaker 3>and Linear. So look, the Apple thing's a hard thing, right,

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<v Speaker 3>because the production quality is great. I think it's really

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<v Speaker 3>cool that Alex Catranas and Matt Crooks and Chico's families

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<v Speaker 3>all over the world they can watch their games live.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, we have fewer households that watch us

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<v Speaker 3>in the state of Utah than we did when we

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<v Speaker 3>had a three hour infomercial on KMYU. And the hard

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<v Speaker 3>thing with I think the Apple deal financially, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a two and a half billion dollar deal for

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<v Speaker 3>this league and teams benefit from that, but having it

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<v Speaker 3>behind not only an Apple TV Plus paywall, but then

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<v Speaker 3>an MLS Season Pass paywall on top of that, it

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<v Speaker 3>makes it hard for casual fans to find your product.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's something that certainly Messy has helped with during

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<v Speaker 3>his year plus in MLS and in the Apple ecosystem.

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<v Speaker 3>And there are Board of Governor meetings yesterday and today

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<v Speaker 3>back in New York where the owners and the presidents

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<v Speaker 3>and the CBOs are all getting together trying to figure out, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>how do we keep growing this thing, how do we

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<v Speaker 3>take advantage of Messy? How do we get ready for

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<v Speaker 3>the World Cup here in North America in twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there a a place where I can go to

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<v Speaker 1>reference this two to two point five million viewers on Apple?

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<v Speaker 2>Is there a reference point?

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<v Speaker 3>Now? Oh? Oh, they don't have data.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, okay, so let's see seventy million people watched MLS

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<v Speaker 1>Cup on Apple TV. If that's if that's the they

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<v Speaker 1>don't release data, how are we supposed to analyze anything.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's for your protection, Spencer. You don't want the

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<v Speaker 3>FBI get into your Apple stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But if there's no reference point, we can just make

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<v Speaker 1>up whatever number.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I agree with you. It's quite a conundrum.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's more than a conundrum. It's straight up dishonest.

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<v Speaker 1>It is intellectual dishonesty. And I will not stand for this.

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<v Speaker 2>Gerald.

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<v Speaker 3>I applaud you and your efforts and your commitment.

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<v Speaker 1>To the bit making MLS great again, the Tray fitz

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<v Speaker 1>Gerald story.

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<v Speaker 2>Just making up numbers on the fly. Goodness, gracious? All right?

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<v Speaker 2>For real?

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<v Speaker 1>How how the Apple television situation? You reference the local

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and RSL was one of the RSL. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I give you a lot of guff, but RSL, mostly

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<v Speaker 1>thanks to you Trey, was able to carve out a

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<v Speaker 1>local broadcast footprint that actually did pull good numbers locally.

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<v Speaker 1>But I believe what I read when the release and

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<v Speaker 1>I guess now whatever, let's just make it up, was

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<v Speaker 1>like four or five local teams really benefited. RSL was

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<v Speaker 1>one of them. From a league wide standpoint. What are

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<v Speaker 1>the returns after a couple of seasons with the partnership

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<v Speaker 1>with Apple, and you think it's just the new normal

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<v Speaker 1>period moving forward.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think we were probably one of the four

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<v Speaker 3>or five teams that were really hurt locally by that deal.

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<v Speaker 3>But you have to you know, MLS is up to

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<v Speaker 3>thirty teams now with San Diego coming in next year,

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<v Speaker 3>and with the way the media models have broken and

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<v Speaker 3>are breaking, especially regional sports networks, there were several MLS

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<v Speaker 3>teams that really had nowhere to put their games. I

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<v Speaker 3>think the last non Apple year while we were in

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<v Speaker 3>doing the success that we were on KMYU. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>Dallas and DC United are putting streams on their website

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<v Speaker 3>and it you know, so when you think about it

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<v Speaker 3>from a global standpoint, if your only you know league,

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<v Speaker 3>you know how leagues look at these things, and if

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<v Speaker 3>you're only as strong as your weakest link, you had

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<v Speaker 3>to do something. Now, there are people, especially with the

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<v Speaker 3>Fox numbers coming out over the last five six days,

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<v Speaker 3>there are people that are saying, Okay, it was a

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<v Speaker 3>smart idea for MLS to bet on Apple, the most innovative,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, internet company in the world, But did they

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<v Speaker 3>commit themselves to that model too early? Because we're kind

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<v Speaker 3>of in this purgatory and now you see, like what

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<v Speaker 3>Ryan Smith is doing with the Jazz and Utah Hockey

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<v Speaker 3>Club and what the Phoenix Suns are doing. There are

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of NBA and NHL teams that are now

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<v Speaker 3>doing what we did for eighteen years on free over

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<v Speaker 3>the AIRTV here with RSL, and everything's a trade off.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we lose sponsor opportunities and partnership opportunities by

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<v Speaker 3>not having that local television over the air, even cable presence.

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<v Speaker 3>But cable's breaking down. I can't tell you where it's

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<v Speaker 3>going to go. I do know Apple and MLS have

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<v Speaker 3>committed to each other for ten years, so there is

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<v Speaker 3>a sense that, hey, we're going to grow this thing together.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the Apple Friday Night Baseball deal has come

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<v Speaker 3>under you know, kind of mixed emotions. There are people

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<v Speaker 3>guess if you went to any non NFL team and

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<v Speaker 3>looked at their local or regional television deal, fifty percent

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<v Speaker 3>are probably really good and fifty percent are lacking. So

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<v Speaker 3>I think we're just kind of in this purgatory where

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<v Speaker 3>journalism has declined. Media ecosystems are changing, but no reliable

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<v Speaker 3>or beloved model has emerged from all that, so hopefully

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<v Speaker 3>MLS and Apple can figure it out. I do know

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<v Speaker 3>that everybody in and around MLS is begging Apple on

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<v Speaker 3>a daily basis to give us data and analytics and

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<v Speaker 3>numbers that we can use, one to get better, two

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<v Speaker 3>to increase our audience, and three to help inform the

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<v Speaker 1>Well said straight out of the playbook. I wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>gonna try this Forrester a Yago a Yago.

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<v Speaker 3>Yago Yago. He's a twenty three year old Ganayan striker.

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<v Speaker 3>We get younger there because right now our number nine

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<v Speaker 3>their you know, upper twenties. I think twenty seven to

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<v Speaker 3>twenty nine. So just a flyer MLS re entry draft

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<v Speaker 3>basically kind of a free agency draft. And you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't know his name until Kurt told me about

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<v Speaker 3>it a couple hours ago. So there are Nashville fans

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<v Speaker 3>that think, while yes, he may be a raw somewhat

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<v Speaker 3>youngish player that they maybe gave up on him a

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<v Speaker 3>little too early. But you know how it is, Spence.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes it's all situational, and a player can find himself

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<v Speaker 3>with a certain locker room or certain coaching staff and

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, he makes us deeper and younger and

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<v Speaker 3>maybe he'll thrive here over the next couple of years.

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<v Speaker 1>Moving over to the ever popular half day Major League

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<v Speaker 2>What a dumb league dude. I didn't even know this

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<v Speaker 1>RSL has acquired Tyler Wolf, who is and Porter hop

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<v Speaker 1>on the mic here. Tyler is best known as essentially

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<v Speaker 1>being Josh Wolf's son. Porter please remind the audience what

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<v Speaker 1>the official stances of the drive on Nepotism.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, nepotism, no patience, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I can't win with them soft. So ultimately, that's

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<v Speaker 1>all I know about Tyler Wolf. But ARASL acquires him

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<v Speaker 1>during the half day Major League Soccer trade window back

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<v Speaker 1>on December ninth, because of course, tell me about this

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the trade window is mandated by the collective bargaining

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<v Speaker 3>with the players.

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<v Speaker 2>Stop it, it's silly.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know it is, Yeah, Tyler Wolf, twenty one

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<v Speaker 3>year old left back. Again, somebody that makes us younger,

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<v Speaker 3>Somebody makes us deeper. Somebody that played sixty games for

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<v Speaker 3>Atlanta the last few years, including some as a teenager.

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<v Speaker 3>Also played almost sixty games with Atlanta's kind of Monarchs

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<v Speaker 3>B team level. So again, somebody that we think is

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<v Speaker 3>a raw young player, he's too mature to be called

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<v Speaker 3>a project. But somebody that can make us a little

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<v Speaker 3>deeper there on the back line, especially on the left side.

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<v Speaker 1>Any other potential you know, it's interesting because I think,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Elliott and then Elliott and then Kurt obviously

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<v Speaker 1>taken over for Elliott, seems will put together a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>young and talented, exciting roster that if given time, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>to grow together, probably feels like the best route. You

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<v Speaker 1>made a lot of summer transfer acquisitions, of course, Diogo

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<v Speaker 1>and Dominic and a lot of exciting talent that simply

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<v Speaker 1>just needs time, I would imagine. But any other potential

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<v Speaker 1>half day whatever the hell they call it, whenever you're

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to do it, Potentially any other you know, talent

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<v Speaker 1>acquisitions on the way.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think Kurt and Tony are working the phones.

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<v Speaker 3>And to your point, there are several different MLS mechanisms

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<v Speaker 3>between now and next which next Friday is like the

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<v Speaker 3>college draft. There are a couple other like re entry

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<v Speaker 3>and free agency mechanisms. Certainly, the trade window is now

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<v Speaker 3>wide open for all the teams, and then you have

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<v Speaker 3>the international player market with MLS and RSL starting pre

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<v Speaker 3>season January eleventh and getting ready for a February eighteenth

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<v Speaker 3>Conca Calf game. I think Kurt is feeling the pressure

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<v Speaker 3>to try to give Pablo as complete a roster on

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<v Speaker 3>the ground as he can here in three weeks. So

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<v Speaker 3>you know, like you said, we did a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>shopping late last summer, especially with Diego and Dominic. But

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<v Speaker 3>you do, especially if you're going to make a Conca

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<v Speaker 3>Calf run and balance countercaff on top of a league's cup,

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<v Speaker 3>Open Cup and the season. You want to be healthy,

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<v Speaker 3>and you want to be deep, and you want to

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<v Speaker 3>be ready. So I would not be surprised at all

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<v Speaker 3>if we didn't add four or five more players to

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<v Speaker 3>our ross. Sure in the next couple of weeks and

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<v Speaker 3>they're look, we might have say goodbye to some guys

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<v Speaker 3>that we love because you can't always acquire an asset

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<v Speaker 3>without giving up something either. So it's going to be

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<v Speaker 3>an interesting time between now and January tenth.

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<v Speaker 1>Would one of those players who potentially could be on

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, excuse me, moon Man?

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<v Speaker 1>After the growth this year, what's the latest on the

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<v Speaker 1>potential departure of Diego?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Diego Luna twenty twenty four MLS Young Player of

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<v Speaker 3>the Year. I think. Look, there are rumors of European

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<v Speaker 3>teams kicking the tires on Diego. It's funny the way

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<v Speaker 3>the world works now because it's like we are exploring

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<v Speaker 3>the possibility of potentially making a call, but we haven't

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<v Speaker 3>made a call yet. Look, if somebody you know made

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<v Speaker 3>us an offer we couldn't refuse, I'm sure we would

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<v Speaker 3>go to Diego and say, hey, do you want to

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<v Speaker 3>go do this? And if he said yeah, we would

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<v Speaker 3>make the sale, similar to what we did with Andre's.

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<v Speaker 3>But right now, all expectations are the Diego will be

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<v Speaker 3>here for the twenty twenty five season, especially the first half,

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<v Speaker 3>and he's got an opportunity maybe if he gets called

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<v Speaker 3>into the US national team January camp with Poachattino and

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<v Speaker 3>does well there, and then does well in concer cap

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<v Speaker 3>and has a good first half of the season. Then

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure there'll be a lot more people looking at

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<v Speaker 3>him next summer with much bigger wallets.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, before I say you loose, I'm noticing that

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<v Speaker 1>you tweeted at me earlier, because I'm never on this

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<v Speaker 1>dumb thing. What did Donny have to say? Did I

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<v Speaker 1>catch him? Did I catch him? Strays from Donny today

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm not aware of.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the standard. When Donny talked about his post playing

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<v Speaker 3>career and how he got into media, he takes liberties

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<v Speaker 3>with how poorly you and I were doing the pregame show,

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<v Speaker 3>and how he basically says, if you guys want somebody

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<v Speaker 3>that knows what they're talking about, you should just throw

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<v Speaker 3>me on the mic. And you know, that's ultimately what

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<v Speaker 3>it happened. But I think I think he enjoys taking

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<v Speaker 3>shots at us, and you know all the things we've

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<v Speaker 1>Oh so you're saying Donny per usual his whimsicle that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the hero of my own drama memory yet is

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<v Speaker 1>always an accurate is reflecting once again. Did he happen

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<v Speaker 1>in this article to talk about how I badly petitioned

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<v Speaker 1>to get him on that show?

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<v Speaker 2>Or did he leave that part out?

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<v Speaker 3>No, he left that part out.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, shocking, good old Dunny whimsy. Yeah, fun, yet

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<v Speaker 1>get accurate.

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<v Speaker 3>The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, I mean, and I guess seventeen billion people

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<v Speaker 1>watched MLS cup on Apple too, So what's real anyway?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Trey, good chatting buddy. Let's get a golf

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<v Speaker 1>trip on the calendar.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, let's do it. Thanks Bence.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, there he is Trey Fitzgerald. Little RSL.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of RSL news kind of comes and goes

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<v Speaker 1>when we're pretty football and basketball centric, so I figured

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<v Speaker 1>we do a little RSL on the program today