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Thanks for telling a friend, and that's how we spread
the word about the pirate ship. And he's got it.
How many different Buffalo Bill's hats do you have?
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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to break down next season.
Speaker 3: I have no interest. I don't know what it is.
Speaker 4: I think a Bill's out, Yeah, could be Bill's exhaustion.
Speaker 2: I feel fatigue, Yeah, I feel very fatigue. I've had
a really hard week, like a really really challenging week
this week.
Speaker 4: Wow. Yeah, not good and like most of your weeks
like start like that. So this is like above the baseline.
Speaker 2: Huh, this is above the baseline. And it's not anything
that I am comfortable talking about. Not that I can't
talk about it. I could. It is my podcast. I
don't have to worry about anything. But there's a little
voice inside my head. I said, right now isn't the
time to discuss all that stuff. But there are things
that I do want to I want to talk about
because today was actually overall a really really good day. Good.
But it's been a real shitty, tough week, just a
tough week. All the weekends almost here, I know, and
I yes, and I have a colonoscopy Friday. Oh, I
start the prep tomorrow.
Speaker 3: I had idea.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: I don't know if we should discuss it.
Speaker 2: Sure, we'll have an on air, a non podcast meeting meeting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but you talk about you your fear of this.
I love my last my last hilioscopy. It was fantastic,
didn't feel a thing. The rep was awesome.
Speaker 2: I don't have a problem.
Speaker 3: You get the news. Only two polyps see in five years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you had to see it.
Speaker 3: You're dock in three years, So I wonder if my
dog's holding back.
Speaker 2: No, I'm also significantly older than you. I'm almost ten
years older than you, right forty five, I'm forty five. Yeah,
I'm gonna be fifty five.
Speaker 3: And can't they just let you dump in the box
like Coli Guarden?
Speaker 2: Probably, I don't know, Uh, but because they were there's
nobody removing anything, so I think you want to see
if there's polyps. So you go in. I got to
start the prep tomorrow, but I have Fisher classes, so I.
Speaker 3: My satellite from the men's room.
Speaker 2: I don't know so.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: If I a satellite, that's that's a that's an outdated.
Speaker 3: Term on zoom from the bathroom.
Speaker 2: So here's the weird part that the week before I
had something that was that was going to interfere with class,
that had to do with another class. So I needed
to be in the studio and I had to do
I have to do an assessment on somebody, right, and
write a treatment plan and all this stuff. So he
had to interview somebody and they are the same person
for everybody, but so you had to schedule times, like
you can't just fight some random Now, like this is
a guy who is is a counselor himself. I think
he went through the Fisher program and it is now
maybe a professor at another institution somewhere in the country.
And he comes on and you're supposed to and he
plays a part and you're supposed to like pull information
out of him based on the story that you get
and then from there you have to write the assessment.
So I had to do that last Thursday at six thirty.
But I have another class that begins at seven. So
I called my professor, which I probably isn't the protocol
to do that, but he's also a friend, and I said, hey, man,
I'm going to be late tonight. Or maybe I texted
and but I had something that was just pretty traumatic
going on the night before. So he said to me,
I said, I'll be late, and then I told him
what was happening and all the parts involved in it,
and it's very like, it's just it's not nice, it's
not fun. So he said to me later that day,
he goes listen, not because of you, But there were
several other issues that came up. I'm making tonight's class
asynchronous and don't worry about coming in and we'll meet
again next week. So then this then I had gone.
Remember I went for the physical, and I thought I
was going for just an assessment. I don't know i'd
talk about AfterAll, and it wasn't. It was a physical
and the guy said, hey, you got it. You're overdue
for He says, you're six months old. I'm not we
The last time I had one was right before the
podcast started three years ago.
Speaker 3: Okay, so it's been a bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So he said you're overdue. Uh you know, what
do you think? I go, great, sign me up. So
he said they're gonna call you. You got to answer
because if you don't answer, they're not going to call back.
They call twice and that's it. They don't call anymore.
They do is they send a text and it says
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Because I hit why for yes? And I get back
at textas says we can't process. I go, what do
you mean? Oh shit, I had to send one so
I couldn't. I said no to one day and then
I get another one and I go, oh, it's a Friday,
now fine, I'll miss happy or it'll be whatever. It's
like three o'clock in the afternoon. So uh then I'm
I'm thinking, oh, literally, shit, I got to start the prep.
So what am I going to do because I'm going
to be at Fisher because I start at one o'clock
in the afternoon tomorrow. So then I'm driving with my
son and I get a call from the U of
r and says, hey, doctor wants to know if you
can come in and have it at one point thirty
be here by one fifteen. So I say, yeah, no problem.
And I said, what, by the way, what do I
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really remember because I used to hear it was horrific,
but when I had it, it was okay. And so
they tell me and they go, oh, yeah, but you know, no,
you got to really be on like a liquid diet
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between five and six pm you have to drink your
first Mirrlax drink. And I go, oh, well, I have
grad school at ten o'clock. And she said, uh oh,
I don't know. Hope you have a bathroom nearby. And
I go, oh, I may be stinking yes, and she goes, yeah, yeah,
it's possible. And I said, eh, so I write, I said,
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I've had plenty of those. You should be fine, but
if need be, I'll zoom you in from the bathroom.
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something for my son to do that would that kind
of occupy his time and maybe give him something else
to concentrate on, because I'm just seeing like a lot
of cognitive things that just you know, worry typical teenager shit,
things that kind of get bigger in your head than
they may really be in reality.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, right, and that goes on to adulthood too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I thought, okay, we're going to try this.
So he had agreed that he would he would do this,
and it was going to be three days, and I
think I talked about this. I looked at a couple
of different places and I figured, you know, I have
the time, and some of them were more expensive than others,
but I found one that was pretty reasonable, and plus
I had it and it included the equipment, and I
needed to buy helmets and jackets and pants and all
this stuff. And so he was a little reluctant then
all of a sudden, because at one point it kind
of became this is what you want me to do,
and I said, well, I thought you'd like it, and
you said you wanted to try snowboarding, so okay, here's
the opportunity.
Speaker 3: In the Olympics.
Speaker 2: So we kind of went back and forth throughout this stuff.
I was out of town for the weekend. His mom's
been in town, so she was with him. Uh, and
then she told me on Sunday night, he's very excited
to go on Monday. Now, I don't know if you remember,
but where we're living, Monday was absolutely beautiful, Yeah, sunny,
a little bit warmer.
Speaker 3: Beath and I went for a run, did you yes,
a run? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, you usually.
Speaker 3: Do wind sprints, which you can't keep up.
Speaker 2: I wish, I fucking wish I was your neighbor. Somebody's everything.
Speaker 4: I'm on like at least seventy five doorbell camps. I
am sure they have identified me as a cross breed
if you saw that Super Bowl commercial, but a golden retriever.
Speaker 2: And you know some other dogs.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So he we get there and they say get there
an hour early. They'll set you up with all the
equipment stuff. Well, the camp started at nine thirty. I
give them a tremendous amount of credit because it started
like nine point thirty two. He was out there, so
I go, well, that's impressive because all these people were
coming in and then we had to go over and
get the rental equipment. Man, they ran it so well,
really well run. But we were there a little early,
and I think he was anxious. And then he now
he's fifteen, and the camp went from eight to fifteen,
and he hasn't skied or snowboarded, but said he wanted
to try snowboarding, and snowboarding is not an easy thing
to pick up. It's tough. And at fifteen he is
six five. I mean he's like a he looks like
a D one tight end, you know, he's six to
two hundred pounds.
Speaker 3: Yeah, baby gronk, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, this is this is what the kid looks like.
So we're in there and all these little kids now
show up and most of them are I'm going to
say the average age is nine of these kids, and
I'm like, and I could tell he's super uncomfortable and
the biggest thing he And think about this from a
teenage perspective, trying to bring yourself back to being a teenager.
Speaker 4: One of the I'm picturing Dwight from the office when
he was doing karate and he was bragging about how
far he had advanced, and then they show him in
the class and it's him and a bunch of killing
little kids.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm thinking of Jamison, right, Well it yes,
I'm saying, yeah.
Speaker 2: So so I just say that because it is when
you could picture the dynamic, right, I mean, here's the he.
I think if you looked from a distance, you think
he's an instructor with these little kids, right. No, he's
learning too, He's learning too. And you know, man, embarrassment
at fifteen is in a moment, it's like a life
sentence that it just is with with these things. So
he heads out and I get a call that is
mumbled into the phone basically going this sucks. I can't
get up on the board. I don't want to do it.
I don't know why people do a sport that will
just embarrass them. So I don't know what to say
because I have kind of wanted to make sure he
got out there and stuff. But I have now put
on my own ski boots, but I've yet to purchase
a ticket to go skiing. So, uh, I get another call.
I'm done. I'm not doing this, and I said, okay,
you're gonna be mad at me. He said, no, I'm
not gonna be mad at you. So he comes in
and lovely woman that runs it is with him, and
he smartly just said, I knew I would lose it,
like I would lose my temper and take.
Speaker 4: The boards start hitting.
Speaker 2: He's like, the instructor didn't want go down the road.
The instructor didn't want me to quit, didn't want me
to stop. He's like, and I said to her, I
I feel like I'm not going to be able to
control myself because I'm getting so angry, and nobody deserves that.
You don't deserve that. That's what he'said.
Speaker 3: A mature answer.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you this dude, he has intellectual eq. He
is dialed in for the emotional EQ.
Speaker 4: Right, so emotional intelligence that's the term.
Speaker 2: So he says, so he comes, So I now I'm
trying to figure out where he is and all this stuff,
and he I run to the instructor and she said
to you're Jamison's dead, and I said, I am, She said,
he said, he just wants to sit in here for
a minute. She said, snowboarding is really hard. She goes,
people don't realize it, and she said, especially when you're
a big guy. She goes, you know, six to two, right,
And I.
Speaker 4: Said, yeah, you got me more like a jockey.
Speaker 2: She's like, well, you could be a big guy, you know.
And I think he's also like then then there's a
little bit of like envy because his cousin, who is eight,
is on an elite ski team at a resort Maine
every weekend. So he's like, why didn't he get me
on skis when I was younger? Right? It was kind
of the thing and.
Speaker 4: Dad, why didn't you crazy glue skis into my feet
when I was three?
Speaker 2: So I didn't say anything.
Speaker 3: I said the same thing.
Speaker 2: I tried to do skiing with my oldest kid, and
it was met with a lot of resistance after he fell,
so whatever. So I don't really answer the question, and
the woman says to me, he did say he may.
He just wants to think about it for a little bit.
But I told him he can switch to skiing and
skiing is easier, and I said, okay, great. So I
go and I sit down and I'm and you know,
he's like, you're mad. I said, I'm not mad, Bud.
I don't you know? What do you want to do?
And he's like I. He goes, I uh, I think
I'm going to try the skiing and I go okay.
So we wait a little bit, we have something to eat,
We go over, get him set up with skis. We
get on skis and he says me, do I have
to go to the lesson or can I ski with you?
And I said, oh, yeah, you can ski with me.
Now I don't know where they're going, right, I'm not
that familiar with where we are, and I thought, well,
there's easy trails and I thought everything was over to
the left. And he's like, no, I want to go
do the magic carpet is what they call it. He goes,
I just want to test this out. So I said okay.
So it's a good distance to the Magic Carpet from
where we are, and it's hot. It's like the sun's
out now, right, I got the shades, the helmet I get.
I'm like, my helmet was soaked with sweat.
Speaker 4: I can yeah, because it's the combination of it's nice weather,
but you have to put out all the.
Speaker 2: Stuff, right, So I have the helmet on. I probably
could have skied just in the sweater, but I got
the sweater and I had like a wickaway shirt underneath
that jacking on. Got the pants, right, So I say
to him we can carry him. Well, now let's put
him on and we'll go. I said, all right, well
you got to try to like skate with your skis
to get over there. That's not really going anywhere. So
he's kind of walking and we're It's, like I said,
it's a bit of a distance. So the frustrations kind
of building up because it's it's more work and you
can't in skis downhill skis you don't have like cross
country where you can leverage. Right, You're lifting your foot
and your leverage. So I'm trying to show him the thing.
And then finally I just kind of walked with him
a little bit, and we passed this one guy and
the guy sees him and he goes, man, I don't
feel so bad now. Now. What I didn't tell you
was when he went out with his group, I walked
out just just kind of make sure he got off,
and it's all these little kids. And one of the
fathers turns to another fun and goes, hey, I think
I saw that guy at the bar last night, meaning Jamison,
Oh you no, I know that guy because just like
we were saying, fifteen sixty two two hundred pounds, looking
like that right or d one tight end. So we
get over to finally we get over to the magic
carpet and it the magic carpet is basically a conveyor
belt that you ski onto and it takes you up.
It replaces the old toe rope. If anybody remembers the
toe rope. Used to have a toe rope at our
at our, at our.
Speaker 3: I can't believe I forgot about this.
Speaker 2: I used to ski at the town dump. Really yeah,
they put up it would snow, it would snow, and
they had I guess I guess we did, dad, or
they did, like a landfill section. So it was more
of a sturdy ground underneath, and everything was frozen anyway,
and they put a toe rope in and you they
would tell you to.
Speaker 3: The top and you ski down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like love New York, I think it was.
I think it was free like And I had skied
cat them out in all these places, Killington when I
was kidd but so at Park City is where I
had learned because that's where my own So I was
so okay. So we uh so we get over to
the magic carpet, and now the frustration's going and there's
some lean, colorful language coming out of his mouth and
I get it and I understand, and it's low. He's
not loud, he's not saying it, but I can hear
it right, And I say, hey, watch it because there's
little kids. I don't care, you know, just frustrated. So
now there's a slight incline to get to the magic carpet,
and I am like I thought I probably should be
behind him, but the way I'm positioned, I'm now in
front of him. So I say to him, you want
to go across the hill, lean into it a little
bit with the edge of your skis and just kind
of walk up and so he starts to turn whatever,
and he goes, you give terrible advice, so like, okay,
do your thing. So I get up there and there's
two little kids. This thing is built for five year
olds and snow pants. That's what the magic carpet is.
But smartly he's saying, let me get a feel for
the skis on that little bunny hill. It's not even
like it's just a So I get on it. It's
kind of a steep, little right onto the thing. And
I'm looking at this thing and I go, this is
going to grab your skis right and kind of grab hold.
You're not gonna have any give because it's rubber, but
it's it's like elevated bumps on it that we're open,
so it almost builds a suction. This is what I'm
thinking in my head, and I'm pretty sure that this
is what happens. And so it holds you in place
and you just kind of slide on there. But what
happens is when you're bigger, your skis are a little
bit longer, and I'm going sure for a little kid,
smaller skis, they ski down and it goes right onto the
magic carpet, I ski down. Part of my ski is
still on the ramp and the front of my ski
is gonna get pulled. And I kind of can see this,
and I'm thinking, oh boy, I should be behind him.
I get on and and there's a girl, little girl
who got on before me, and then there's a little
boy in front of him her and but evenly space
now and then all of a sudden, Jameson comes on
and I hear that's poor kid, and I go, I
turn around and he's off to the side, skis up
in the air. He's on the side, and I go,
there is nothing more humbling than falling off this thing
that's designed for five year olds. I go, oh, my god. Right,
and so this is and he's already said, why do
people do a sport that just embarrasses them the whole time?
You know? And there was others like golf? And I go,
I mean and so I I see him. He's frustrated,
and he goess, yeah, I'm done. And the skis are
off and he's standing down at the bottom of the hill.
I want to get back there as quickly as possible,
just to kind of assess the situation. I don't know
how angry he is, I will say again, keeps himself
in really good check in public, like very good and
self aware. So little kid, the little boy at the front,
he falls getting off the thing, and no one's helping him.
He's off and he's laying on the ground and he's
starting to cry a little bit and I can hear him.
And so they stop the belt, but the guy at
the top doesn't really do anything. All of a sudden,
he goes, hey, hey, you need help to the kid.
The kid's laying there. I go, you don't ask, you
just gonna fucking help. Right, Well, they start the belt
up again. So now the girl's off, but now she stops.
So here I come. I'm two hundred and thirty pounds
and I'm coming and I go.
Speaker 5: I say to the guy, I go, bro, you got
to stop this thing or move those kids.
Speaker 2: I go, because it's not going to be pretty. In
a second, I think you.
Speaker 3: Got yeah, you're like he had a Jones and the ball.
Speaker 2: What the fuck is happening?
Speaker 3: It's get very wrong.
Speaker 2: So I now ski down to Jamison, all right, finally
get around, get around the kids. Ski down. He goes,
I'm not doing it and I said okay. He goes,
I want to go home, and I said okay, and
I think he kind of waited. I think he started
to put the ski on again. One of them pops
a different way, and he goes, that's it, and he
walks off. So now I'm stuck. I'm standing there, I
have my skis on, and I have polls, and he
had poles. Whenever I've learned or taught instructed people with skiing,
and then I've never done it in a formal sense, uh,
it's no poles. But because he was six to two,
I kind of convinced him, like, hey, man, give him
the polls, because if you start to go down and
you can dig with the pole, you can regain your balance.
And I thought that might be a good thing for him.
Right because I'm picturing us like on some other trail
on the sunny day. I got a I got a
Disney fucking ski movie in my head.
Speaker 3: This is what's happening. Not the Sonny Bono story, no.
Speaker 2: No, so right, so now dude, he walks off and
I'm there, and I get a call. You got to
help me get these stupid boots off my feet while
I have a bit of a problem in the fact
that I'm trying to juggle you. I'm skiing down your skis,
your poles, my poles, and the helmet that you left
here that you took off as well. So stand by.
I'll get there and forget it. I'll find somebody to
help me, Okay. So I get back and I walk
into the rental place. He's already got the shoes, his
sneakers on, and he walks up to where you return
the skis and puts them in and that's it. Meantime, meantime,
I forgot this. I did go buy a ticket. It's
a holiday, so the prices are higher, and I didn't
even get on a lift. Like there is kind of
just like sometimes and I know it shouldn't be about
the money kind of right, but it was like just
kind of burning the money to me, and I was
a little bit like. So I said to hey, man,
I'm going to take a run. I said, maybe more
than one, but I go, I'm going to take a run,
and he goes, all right, fine, So I said, okay,
you go sit in the lodge. So he went in
there and I went up and I go, I'm just
going to do an easy Trail and the reason I
want to do the easy Trail one. I haven't been
on skis in about about a year and two years,
two years, and prior to that it had been many years.
So these are now my skis and last skis that
were on when I went, and I skied another in
another state. I rented, so I wasn't bringing my own these.
I got all tuned up and I figured, well, it's fine,
I could probably do I'm definitely not doing Black Diamond,
but so I go, maybe I can talk to him again.
And there's this easy trail kind of goes around the
side of the mountain. I saw the map and I go, perfect,
and I'm going down and I'm skiing, and I see
a mom and two kids go by, and it is
sunny and it is absolutely fucking gorgeous. I actually stopped
at one point and I reached in my pocket because
I was going to take a picture, and I went, oh,
my god, I don't know where my phone is.
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to happen here, right, I don't know where.
Speaker 3: We're gonna go back out in the team.
Speaker 2: This is where it is. And I thought, like the
emotional recovery speed that this kid made because he didn't
want to embarrass himself, right, it was. He wasn't quitting forever.
He was just quitting for that day, regrouping and returning.
And I go, boy, there's lessons in that, like life lessons,
because no matter what, you could give up on something
and you could get defeated by it, or you can
take it and go okay, I now know what to do.
I know I now figured it out. And he was
there was a kind of a seasoned i'll call him
a ski instructor who just had a great, big personality.
And that's who he ended up with. And I don't
know what they did, but they they got him. He said,
I don't want to go back to the group. Can
I go with you. So we go down there and
it's raining today. It was raining the whole way down
in the morning. So we get there but it's a
light rain and uh, he gets the skis. He's excited.
We go out, we were going and we get and
he's telling me on the chairlift and there start yelling
me because I didn't put the bar down. I never
had put the bar the thing put the thing down.
I never put the bar down in these but this
was it was called the beginner hill, and it's not
a bunny hill by any stretch. It's actually a nice run.
And he had skied it, so I kind of follow
him down, did a great job. We see the instructor.
Instructor goes, hey, I just watched you. You look like
you've improved since yesterday. So guy's been on skis once
for a couple hours and he and he figured it out,
like I go, boy, I hope that just shows you that.
And I said to him in a chairlift, this is
like there's a difference between quitting something and then regrouping
on it. And I go, I just hope you realize
that no matter what you want to do, you can
do it. It may take a day may take a
little bit longer than you want it to. It won't
take that long, but maybe longer than you wanted to.
And I think, you know, we can do this. So
he did. He recalibrated, and man, he was he was
skiing great. And then the rain let up for a
little while and a little granular or not bad. And
then I said, I thought, we're going over to that.
When he goes, do you he goes, I'm not ready
for that. So I said, all right. So we do
the beginner one a couple of times and then he
says to me, you want to go down there? And
I said yeah, and I said, it's a nice trail.
I said, it's an easy trail. We go down there.
And I don't know. I sometimes I guess I don't
know how to to parent. I don't even know. I
just I figured we jump in. So we get on
the chair left and we're going up the mountain and
he goes, where is this And I said, well, we're
going to go around the side. He goes, dabt and
he's looking down. These are black diamonds. I said, okay.
He goes, I hate you. I said, I wouldn't put
you in this situation. I don't think you can handle
I said, I've been skiing with you now for almost
an hour and a half. You have it down. You
can handle this. I don't know. And this is where
it's like mind over matter at anything in life, because
I always figure I'm going to get to the bottom
of the hill and I'm not gonna fall. I don't
even think about that. I don't. Again, there's a difference
between fifteen and confidence at fifty four or fifty five.
It's just different, and it's not cockiness. It's just I
just go I'm gonna do it. If I don't do it,
then that's on me. But still I don't think there's
going to be any I don't even let those thoughts
enter my head. I'm going all day lining. I'm going
this is going to be the best day ever because
I get to spend time with him doing something that
I've always enjoyed that he hasn't done. I thought, this
is fucking coolest shit man. Even if it's raining, who
cares so? And there was hardly anybody there because of
the rain, but they were still had their classes and stuff.
So he we're you know, we're on that big chairlift
going to the top of the mountain, and he's getting
more and more in evers and I said to him,
you can't think about it. You just got to do it.
You just do it. And so there's more like, oh
my god, Dad, look at and some kid, some kid
does a spic dacular wipeout. I mean, it's a fucking
yard sale, right, And he's like, oh my god. I
said what he said? Did you see that I had?
But I was pretending I hadn't. I go, oh, yeah,
he's fine. I said, you're gonna be fine, and we're
not going down that mountain. Where are we going? I relax.
So we get up there and now and he said
to me the first time he gets I have trouble
getting off the chairlift. And I said, did I ever
tell you? In Park City? I was twelve and I
was with my cousin who was seven, and I said
to her as we got to the top, do you
need help getting off the chairlift? And their chairlift's kind
of booked in Park City, right, and she said yes.
So I went to kind of scoop her down and
she just hops down and skis off and I'm still
in the chair and it goes.
Speaker 5: On again, I'm stuck in the fucking thing, and the
guy goes because now you're like, right, yeah, yeah, you
don't have to ride all the way down.
Speaker 2: I felt like such a loser at twelve, so I
get everything that Jami's would say. Right, So I'm like, okay,
So I'm thinking, you've already used the resiliency muscle. You've
come this far, You're gonna be fine. What I had
noticed was like to go slow. If I'm gonna do
old man skiing on something, I'll just go, you know,
across the mountain. And there was like nobody there because
a lot of times you kind of are in danger
of you know, some hot dog coming down and taking
me out like a bowling pin. Which I have been
the hot dog who's taking somebody out like a bowling
pin a catamount many many years ago. So but that
wasn't gonna happen, and so I figured we could just
do some back. Well, what I'm not realizing is he's
not confident enough really in his turning like that. He
just kind of goes down and does little little bit.
So he says to me when we get off, and
he had said, I have trouble getting off these. He
was doing beautifully on the other one. He did great
on this one. And he looks and he goes, oh,
is that where we're going? I said yeah. I goes, oh,
this is great. I said, yes, that's what I told you.
So I want to give him instruction. I'm like, let's
stop here, let's stop here, let's regroup, right so you
can see what's coming, because it's a path you're not
familiar with. What I said, I go, why don't. He's like,
I got my I got my music. I said, okay.
So at this point, no, he said, And it's like
he's excited, right, and so we he's he's like, way
ahead and I'm just watching right to make it. And
then he starts picking up speed and I go, oh boy,
and he's fine. We go round this nice turnout, and
now you've come to a point in the mountain where
you're going to go down. And it's one of the
places that he thinks he can't just by looking at it,
can't handle. And I'm saying bullshit to that idea. You
can absolutely fucking handle that. And it's just a little
bit down and then you're off the mountain, right. You
get back on the chair lift. So but he never stops,
like the whole time, he's just going right, and it's
not necessarily he's not you know, a little bit of
a snowplow less less so than yesterday. Right, and he's
seeing me. And I'm not a great skier by any
stretch of the imagination, but I can keep my skis
together and you know, just do the stuff. And you know,
I'll do a slide if I really wanted to. I
could give you a big brooster tail like I used
to do to all my friends. And I can still
do it at fifty four to fifty five years old.
That's fucking great. So we're going down and he he
says something about to me as we get there, but
he never stops like I want him to stop. And
yet at the same time, I don't want to raise
my voice and be like dop, you know, because it's
going to echoes her out. And I'll tell you a
story about last night that happened. So we he goes
down and he's going and he's going, and all of
a sudden, he's not going. And I don't know if
he decided that he didn't think he could handle the
rest of the hill. It gets a little bit steep,
but it's not that bad. And I kept saying to him,
just go back and forth across. It's really easy. Just
even if you have to, you know, go back. But
he doesn't want to do, because he's seeing kids his age.
He doesn't want to do.
Speaker 3: He doesn't want to look like.
Speaker 2: He doesn't want to do the plow. And then he's
got a friend of his who's sending him videos of
him at Bristol doing flips off jumps or skiing backwards.
And I go, okay, but he didn't start like that,
and you started yesterday. Don't let that in your head.
The same thing with like my assessment, it is in
my head now. I'm very upset. I have never gotten
a grade that low in grad school. I am frustrated
with that, but I can't let it get in my head.
I got a regroup, come back and go these were
my mistakes. Boom, I'm back, baby. This is a tough class.
But the same thing with him, so man, I don't
know if he wiped out or if he fell on purpose.
I have no idea. And I come skiing up and
I make sure I'm not springing any snow in him.
So I stopped this way and I say, I'm about
to say, can I help you? And he goes, I
am so angry at you. I hate you. And again
it's because he had been doing so well right and
now it feels like defeat, and I get it. And
we could say it's male ego or whatever. There's nobody
around to even see a fall. So I said, he goes,
just just go, just leave me and go to the bottom,
and I said, fine, so I did. So now I'm
down there and I see him trying to get the
skis on and I want to yell up, go across
the mountain to get your skis on. No, now he
can't get him on. One bounces off, one starts to slide.
He's like, I can see his feet go up. He's
kicking just mad and he uh, he's going it broke,
it's broken. Okay, Now he's skiing with no polls today.
So that was that was great, And I'm like, I
if I had this kid regress, I'm gonna feel awful
because that was not the point of this. And you
could and and I will argue that you could have
handled this. So he is not happy and we get
to the bottom and he and he's yelling to me,
I'm done, I'm done. We're going to the car, and
I go, okay, I I unfortunately have the same makeup
as you. Like. He's probably the most like me. And
none of these guys are, you know. And by the way,
they're all big. So when you're big and you make noise,
people notice. Jackson's six seven. Jordan's not tall, but he's
bulky and muscular. He's lifted, you know, he's a powerlifter.
And then I've got Jamison, who is gonna probably be
a very very tall guy. So I'm like, I don't wanna.
I don't want to do anything that's gonna embarrass you.
I don't want you man. So he's just packed the
skis up under his arm and he walks down right
and he goes, I am so angry at you. And
I said okay, and he goes, you know, I'm going
if I do this again, I'm going over there and
if you stay over here, I go, well, I wanted
to ski with you. Well I don't want to ski
with you. I'm going come on, man, So I said,
why don't we go inside? And I said, uh. He
goes what so now I'm behind. He goes, what are
you doing? I said, I'm going to go in and
have a hot chocolate. I said, do you want one?
He goes, I want nothing, okay, And I get it right.
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travel guides and eleven guests were caught in the. Avalanche
among the, fifteen six had been. Rescued one man in five,
women ages thirty to fifty. FIVE i don't know where they.
Were moon. Said eight of the remaining nine are confirmed
dead and one is still. Missing. Yeah the tour group
initially contained twelve clients and four, guides but one client
decided to back out of the trip of the last
how about? It, no but how about if you're that
guy or that. Woman how about if you're one of
that person.
Speaker 4: You got to be incredibly grateful and incredibly.
Speaker 2: Guilty yeah, right but like HOW i, mean oh my,
GOD i lost eight of my. Friends unless it was
random people joined in, tour go and, go oh, GLAD
i didn't do.
Speaker 4: That these had to be people of means to do
something like.
Speaker 3: This typically is, no, no, no, No but hang on a.
Speaker 2: Second are they do they need to deserve to? Die?
Speaker 3: Oh not at. All that's not What i'm. Saying what
do you Think i'm mayor, Mom? Donnie? No, ah, okay oh,
gosh all.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: No but the point, is though is.
Speaker 4: That What i'm trying to say is that people with
money tend to take more risks and do stuff like.
Speaker 2: This, WELL i don't know what they were, doing, uh
found after the correspondent with the first respondents using iPhones
sos feature rescue or searching for the nine missing skiers
were hamstrung in the search efforts On wednesday morning after
the area was slammed with nearly two feet of. Snow
i'm trying to see, though if these, GUYS i don't
know what kind of skiing they were, Doing And i'm
sorry That i'm finding this out as we. RECORD a
video showed a tour guide From Blackbird Mountain guides sifting
through snow with his hands to try to find. People
oh that's. Lovely the avalanche swept down an elevation of
roughly eighty two hundred feet Near Frog.
Speaker 4: Lake is there a way to? TEST i, MEAN i wouldn't,
Know so this is gonna sound like it's such an ignorant.
Speaker 3: QUESTION i can't. Wait is there a way to test
whether or not something you're gonna have an?
Speaker 2: Avalanche sometimes they if sometimes they, know LIKE i. DON'T
i think you can do like a seismic GRID i
don't like if you go play pond.
Speaker 4: Hockey growing up In, canada you know when it's safe
to go out of the ice and play what is
In SO i guess my question, is you, know does
somebody sneeze hear about this all the.
Speaker 5: Time god damn, It, CHARLIE i told you to take
your fucking allergy.
Speaker 2: Medicine. Wrong.
Speaker 4: Wrong it's funny BECAUSE i had all, Right adamstile candidate
LIKE i haven't heard from two days and he just
Said i'm going on a trip In Lake.
Speaker 3: Taho i'm not making that. Up i'm, like, oh NOW
i know why i'n't heard from.
Speaker 2: Them, well MAYBE i haven't heard from them because there
was an. Avalanche an avalanche kit contains three, essentials three
essential mandatory items for backcountry. Travel so this is What i'm.
Saying if you do hell, skiing they usually make you
have this an avalanche. Transceiver it's a beacon to emit
and receive, signals a collapsible probe to pinpoint burial depth
so you can say how far down under the SNOW i,
Am and a sturdy metal shovel to start digging out
victims of the avalanche or. Yourself other critical items include
an avalanche air bag. Pack that's the thing THAT i
said is like a. Parachute it's like an air. Bag,
yeah and it kind of and satellite communication device and
first aid. Kit. YEAH i want to see the avalanche
air bag pack BECAUSE i remember hearing about this AND
i know it saved people in the. Past, yeah an,
avalanche it's. Okay an integrated deployable balloon system designed to
keep the user on the. Surface. Ah SO i thought
it was something that covered you and then the snow
went over to, you but you had a bubble in
there and breathe in and, Right but you can't because
you'll run out of the air down, there. Right so,
yeah balloon systems designed to keep the user on the
surface of an, avalanche along with specialized compartments for safety.
Gear so, basically it's like a. Raft it's like a
it's a sled that just keeps you buoyant. Above holy,
shit you, KNOW i would do a lot of dumb.
Things i'm not dumb. THING i like to do a
lot of edgy, things fun. Things i'm not sure IF
i would do that. ONE i don't have confidence in
my skills right to do. THAT i MEAN i did
a beginner hill all day today with my, son SO
i don't. Think BUT i know a dentist who is
more of an acquaintance a, mine and every year he
goes out in hell skis where they give on a,
helicopter they drop you off and you are skiing the back.
Country basically it's not groom, trails and sometimes you fall
off like you can't really tell what's there because it's
covered in two to six feet of, snow and so
where there's a cliff and it goes down like what
looks like it could be a lot of great powder
you sink into and there's guys they die with this.
Shit SO i don't know if that's what these people were.
Doing that's What I'M i was trying to find, out
because then you kind of, go, well you're, right, yes
you do have to be a means for. That you
have to be a means to be Skiing Lake, tahoe,
Right Skiing Lake tahoe for a week is probably a
couple grand to just ski just for your pat unless
a lot of times these resorts will do things like
you're a, member you have a season pass to a
resort on The East, coast and there also would allow
you to use your season pass to go Skip Park city.
Asppen you know all these other places.
Speaker 3: To The Colorado.
Speaker 4: Avalanche you have to change their name for a game
to The oh my, god The colorado on the.
Speaker 2: Morning oh my, GOD i totally forgot about. THAT i
wonder if they will, no, no BUT i wonder if
they're just going to be a push to chase the.
Speaker 3: Day oh we just not mentioned the new name of THE.
Speaker 2: Tv At crazy The. Tour, Yeah i'm dying to, know
because when you have a tour guide and, stuff this
sounds like outback, skiing and yes it. Does it costs
a lot of. Money, yeah let's. SEE i WISH i. Could,
UH i want to. See how much do you think
a trip like this?
Speaker 3: Costs we'll say about ten thousand dollars a person.
Speaker 2: Ski trip To lake taw with tour.
Speaker 4: Guides because this sounds like, somebody this sounds, like, okay.
Speaker 2: So this Is i'm. Sorry Lake tafa offers a very
options with, guides ranging from backcountry expeditions with a professional.
Guide they had four. Guides that's exactly WHAT i think
they were doing to free on mountain naturalist. Stores that's
not what we're talking, About so we want the backcountry.
Speaker 4: Actual retail price of the showcase is is all?
Speaker 2: Right all? Right how much do you think so a
week long guided backcountry ski trip To Lake tahoe costs
between you can give me anywhere between the low end
and the high end per. Person i'm going to say
heavily dependent on group, size, accommodation, luxury and the number
of guided. Days so if they had like a really
great house that they airbat and bead, Plus.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna see between eight and twenty thousand.
Speaker 2: Dollars, no they're saying, here fifteen hundred and four grand per.
Person oh, wow, right but then a daily private, Guy.
Speaker 3: Well that's What i'm, Thinking, like if it's by the
day range, house.
Speaker 2: Yeah two hundred to six hundred board per person with,
accommodations so fifteen to four thousand for The oh, no
they're saying a guy that, yeah budget, budget mid high,
end three thousand to forty five hundred private, cabin daily,
guide rental, gear dining. Out, yeah that's, okay not as
bad AS i. Thought what do you?
Speaker 4: Do but the reason WHY i thought they'd have means
is because they're getting into a helicopter and being.
Speaker 2: Dropped all that's. DIFFERENT i think this is. BACKCOUNTRY i
think this may be more like you could be, teleporting
not teleporting what do they call? It when you kind
of it's almost like cross country skis people use on,
downhill but they're not exactly the same, kind and you
do deep knee bends and it's not. Teleble i'm saying
the wrong. Thing my week, ANYWAY i don't, know, uh
you know what it. Is it's the lies we tell
ourselves as. ADULTS i can still handle.
Speaker 3: THIS i could do. This the mind says go and
the body says. No, WELL i.
Speaker 2: Don't know if. THAT i don't know if that's really
the case or. Not BUT i was thinking about that
a lot with, things because at some age we become
professional negotiators with, ourselves Like i'll only have one more
and Then i'm gonna go. Home.
Speaker 4: Now, yeah it's like that in pulp fiction before od's,
yes all, right here's What i'm gonna.
Speaker 2: Do we go in the, bathroom, yeah OR i don't NEED.
GPS i know exactly, WHERE i know. WHAT i don't
know What i'm. Doing i'll Start. Monday i'm gonna Start monday.
Again and, uh you, know or the one last, episode
just one last episode and then we're done for the.
Day we're not gonna watch. Anymore going to bed AND i.
Go adulthood is just managing the stories we tell. Ourselves
that's really all it. Is here's the warrant zyvontague THAT
i always. Loved it was the last ONE i was talking.
About we'll close it out on, This keep in your
heart for a. While i'm sometimes trying to put together
my funeral, playlist AND i think i'd have to keep this.
Speaker 4: One in there if it doesn't mean of you Any.
Speaker 2: Yes he did in your heart for, What yes he.
Speaker 4: Did when you get up in the morning and you
see that crazy, sun keep being in your heart for?
Speaker 2: What? What if you're a loved one said this to,
YOU i would cry every DAY i heard. This oh,
yeah you know WHAT i? Mean all, Right and you're
a heart for a, while all. Right For DAN, burrello
For Jamison moran and the. RESILIENCE i was very very
happy back skeating in the rain and it was. Awesome Bill,
Moran we'll see you next.
Speaker 1: Time shine
Speaker 2: Your heart for