WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.960 --> 00:00:02.879 Hey Richard, Hey Carl, what do you know? 2 00:00:03.120 --> 00:00:06.679 Well, I know that our friend Michelle Rubusta Monte is 3 00:00:06.719 --> 00:00:08.880 with us to tell us about something that's going on 4 00:00:09.519 --> 00:00:11.199 adjacent to DEV Intersection. 5 00:00:11.240 --> 00:00:12.039 What is it? 6 00:00:12.039 --> 00:00:16.199 It's cybersecurity Intersection. Let's let Michelle tell that story. 7 00:00:16.679 --> 00:00:21.320 Hey Michelle, Hey Carl, Hey Richard, how are you. 8 00:00:21.000 --> 00:00:22.839 Tell us about cybersecurity Intersection? 9 00:00:23.480 --> 00:00:26.920 Well, so, Richard and I are partnering with the group 10 00:00:27.000 --> 00:00:30.359 that does DEV Intersection and next Gen AI, and we 11 00:00:30.600 --> 00:00:34.200 are putting on a new conference dedicated to one hundred 12 00:00:34.240 --> 00:00:40.000 percent security focused topics. And I mean, honestly, the lineup 13 00:00:40.039 --> 00:00:43.679 of speakers is incredible. We have Paula A. Jenis, who's 14 00:00:43.719 --> 00:00:47.600 here from Poland and does keynotes all over the world 15 00:00:47.719 --> 00:00:50.600 and is one of the top rated RSA speakers and 16 00:00:50.640 --> 00:00:53.159 black hat speaker. We're so lucky to have her. But 17 00:00:53.240 --> 00:00:56.000 she's not only keynoting, she's got a workshop teaches you 18 00:00:56.039 --> 00:01:01.039 about protecting your environments against hackers and shows you about 19 00:01:01.280 --> 00:01:03.719 how to you know, do attacks so that you can 20 00:01:03.759 --> 00:01:07.840 prevent them. It's pretty cool and sessions like that as well. 21 00:01:07.840 --> 00:01:10.799 But we also have speakers from Microsoft. We have we 22 00:01:10.840 --> 00:01:15.120 have speakers that specialize in you know secure coding practices, 23 00:01:15.640 --> 00:01:20.439 Azure security, Zuero, trust architectures on Azure UH and people 24 00:01:20.439 --> 00:01:23.519 who do decision maker tracks, so things around governance policy 25 00:01:23.560 --> 00:01:26.200 and you know how to how to manage and your 26 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:29.480 production operations keep them secure. So it's an amazing group 27 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:31.040 of speakers, really excited about it. 28 00:01:31.120 --> 00:01:33.560 And I think I can count myself among the group 29 00:01:33.599 --> 00:01:34.599 of speakers there. 30 00:01:35.040 --> 00:01:37.120 Well, yes you can. That is great. 31 00:01:37.480 --> 00:01:42.159 Yeah, I'm doing a securing Blazer Server applications talk and 32 00:01:42.239 --> 00:01:45.959 also I think we're doing a Security this Week live 33 00:01:46.040 --> 00:01:48.480 show there somewhere that is correct. 34 00:01:48.719 --> 00:01:51.200 Yeah, we'll be recording Security this Week Live. We're going 35 00:01:51.239 --> 00:01:54.719 to have a great panel with some folks. The interesting 36 00:01:54.719 --> 00:01:57.920 thing here is we don't really have a Microsoft and 37 00:01:58.000 --> 00:02:02.120 dot net and Azure focused toecurity conference yet, so that's 38 00:02:02.159 --> 00:02:05.159 the reason we're putting this on as well. You know 39 00:02:05.200 --> 00:02:08.280 there are other security conferences, but they have a spread 40 00:02:08.280 --> 00:02:10.439 of topics that maybe don't focus on the things you 41 00:02:10.520 --> 00:02:13.080 do day to day. And you know this overlaps with 42 00:02:13.199 --> 00:02:17.560 again our community of folks that specialize in again dot net, 43 00:02:17.680 --> 00:02:21.039 Azure and yeah, they need to keep it secure too, 44 00:02:21.280 --> 00:02:22.840 So with tons of talks. 45 00:02:23.719 --> 00:02:27.240 Cyber Intersection is part of a trio of conferences we're doing. 46 00:02:27.280 --> 00:02:30.360 They have Intersection alongside the next Gen AI Conference all 47 00:02:30.439 --> 00:02:34.680 in Orlando the week of October fifth through tenth. That's 48 00:02:34.759 --> 00:02:38.080 workshops and the main conference. And you can get a 49 00:02:38.120 --> 00:02:41.400 special registration code if you sign up through Cybersecurity Intersection 50 00:02:41.639 --> 00:02:42.360 dot com. 51 00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:47.400 Yeah, so if you sign up at Cybersecurity Intersection dot com, 52 00:02:47.599 --> 00:02:52.520 then you put in this code so Alliance cyber three 53 00:02:52.599 --> 00:02:56.319 hundred and you'll get three hundred off the entry price. 54 00:02:56.560 --> 00:02:59.639 So that's a special code that only works at cybersecurity 55 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:04.439 dot com. And then you have access to all the conferences. 56 00:03:04.479 --> 00:03:09.400 Like Richard said, Wow, that's cool. Thanks Michelle. I'm looking 57 00:03:09.439 --> 00:03:24.080 forward to it and I'll see you there. Hey, guess what. 58 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:27.199 It's dot net Rocks. I'm Carl Franklin and I'm Richard 59 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:31.360 Kemp and we're here for episode number nineteen hundred and 60 00:03:31.400 --> 00:03:32.080 sixty eight. 61 00:03:32.639 --> 00:03:34.639 A good year for your listening. 62 00:03:34.240 --> 00:03:40.199 Pleasure, for your listening pleasure. Yes, So David Wensche is 63 00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:42.680 here and we're going to talk to him in a minute. 64 00:03:42.719 --> 00:03:45.840 But first, how are you, mister Campbell. I haven't checked 65 00:03:45.840 --> 00:03:46.919 in with you in a while. 66 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:50.039 You know, post summer going into the fall conference season, 67 00:03:50.080 --> 00:03:54.039 I'm literally going to be traveling all of October. I'm 68 00:03:54.039 --> 00:03:59.879 doing like five shows and two user groups back to back. Wow, 69 00:04:00.240 --> 00:04:01.800 and the boss is not coming with me because you 70 00:04:01.879 --> 00:04:03.639 looked at it? What nah? 71 00:04:03.960 --> 00:04:06.080 I was just that was my next question. Is Stacy 72 00:04:06.120 --> 00:04:07.080 coming with you? 73 00:04:07.120 --> 00:04:10.080 No, no, she's not. We'll be together a dev intersection. 74 00:04:10.199 --> 00:04:13.120 Oh cool? Yeah, well you and I. Stacy's not coming 75 00:04:13.120 --> 00:04:16.519 for that one either, but yeah, okay Intersection and then 76 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:20.160 the Azure Dev Summit and then the Norwegian show is 77 00:04:20.199 --> 00:04:22.120 this tron time and Stavanger. 78 00:04:22.360 --> 00:04:24.560 I looked at my schedule for dev Intersection. I signed 79 00:04:24.639 --> 00:04:26.680 up for a lot of stuff. Yeah, yeah, and put 80 00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:28.160 you to work there. I'm going to be well, you 81 00:04:28.279 --> 00:04:30.920 sign up for something out yourself. I know, I brought 82 00:04:30.920 --> 00:04:31.519 it on myself. 83 00:04:31.639 --> 00:04:31.879 Yeah. 84 00:04:31.920 --> 00:04:34.000 You made that talk with Maddie, which is really going 85 00:04:34.040 --> 00:04:36.879 to be cool. You know, it's spiifying. 86 00:04:37.639 --> 00:04:40.279 Rocks dot com in front of a live audience. 87 00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:43.360 I think you're crazy, but I love it. It is crazy, 88 00:04:43.560 --> 00:04:46.839 you know me as the conference owner, delighted me as 89 00:04:46.839 --> 00:04:47.560 your co host. 90 00:04:47.879 --> 00:04:48.560 What are you doing? 91 00:04:48.600 --> 00:04:54.319 What are you doing? Especially because you've seeing my code right? 92 00:04:54.399 --> 00:04:54.720 Yeah? I know. 93 00:04:54.879 --> 00:04:59.240 I you usually don't fly that close to the sun. Right, 94 00:04:59.720 --> 00:05:02.920 you know that, guy. I've seen your demos. They're polished, 95 00:05:02.920 --> 00:05:04.680 their routine they work every time. 96 00:05:04.720 --> 00:05:09.560 You know, they haven't all been polished. I've had some clams. 97 00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:11.680 It's funny anyway, it's going to be a riot. 98 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:18.560 In the early days of Zamorin, I remember spending the 99 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:22.399 first half of the workshop just getting people to Hello 100 00:05:22.480 --> 00:05:24.639 World because it was so difficult. 101 00:05:24.800 --> 00:05:27.519 No, you should have done the workshop called get Zamoran 102 00:05:27.560 --> 00:05:28.639 running on your machine. 103 00:05:28.720 --> 00:05:31.759 Yeah, that's basically the first half of the day. Yeah, 104 00:05:31.920 --> 00:05:34.240 it got easier as time went on, but back in 105 00:05:34.279 --> 00:05:37.120 the day, that's what we did. All right, let's run 106 00:05:37.199 --> 00:05:38.920 the crazy music for better no framework? 107 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:47.959 Awesome? All right, what do you got? 108 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:50.920 Well? Me, being a Blazer guy, I found this trending 109 00:05:51.079 --> 00:05:56.399 and true repo on GitHub from Mista Howard m I 110 00:05:56.600 --> 00:06:00.040 S T A h O W A r D And 111 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:04.079 it's Blazer dash. Why Dash did Dash? You Dash render? 112 00:06:04.680 --> 00:06:06.639 Blazer Why did you render? 113 00:06:10.800 --> 00:06:14.959 So it's a powerful I wonder what this does, carlus. 114 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:18.519 It's a performance monitoring and debugging tool for Blazer apps. 115 00:06:18.560 --> 00:06:24.480 Helps identify unnecessary rerenders and optimize component performance across server, 116 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:29.639 web assembly and service side rendered environments. That's fantastic, And 117 00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:33.879 if you look down the features, one of the one 118 00:06:33.920 --> 00:06:39.120 of the best one is unnecessary render detection. Find components 119 00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:43.439 that re render without actual changes. Interesting and it's so 120 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:47.040 easy to do. Basically, anytime you do a state has 121 00:06:47.160 --> 00:06:51.160 changed in Blazer, you're forcing a rerender, but you don't 122 00:06:51.160 --> 00:06:53.839 always need to. And I find that this is one 123 00:06:53.879 --> 00:06:59.120 of the things the nuances of Blazer that most developers 124 00:06:59.120 --> 00:07:02.360 don't understand. When should I do state has changed, when 125 00:07:02.360 --> 00:07:06.240 should I not? And when should I do invoke sync 126 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:08.399 state has changed, which has more to do with the 127 00:07:08.519 --> 00:07:13.040 UI thread than it does a sink. But you basically, 128 00:07:13.319 --> 00:07:17.639 anytime you have a UI and event like a button 129 00:07:17.720 --> 00:07:21.680 click or something like that that's triggered from UI and 130 00:07:21.720 --> 00:07:24.600 you write some code, you do not have to rerender 131 00:07:24.680 --> 00:07:28.000 after that, it's automatically done. When you do have to 132 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:30.839 rerender is when you have like a callback from JavaScript 133 00:07:31.360 --> 00:07:34.800 or a timer or something that isn't started on the 134 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:38.240 UI thread. That's when you do that. But doing some 135 00:07:38.319 --> 00:07:40.800 code reviews and stuff, I see it's all over the map. 136 00:07:40.839 --> 00:07:44.040 People just throw state has changed in there as an 137 00:07:44.040 --> 00:07:48.519 insurance policy, but it's unnecessary. So this is a great 138 00:07:48.519 --> 00:07:49.240 tool for that. 139 00:07:49.399 --> 00:07:49.839 Awesome. 140 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:52.800 Yeah, well that's what I got. Who's talking to us today? 141 00:07:52.839 --> 00:07:55.680 Richard grabbed a comment off a show fourteen seventy five, 142 00:07:56.319 --> 00:07:59.000 just back in September twenty seventeen, or were talked to 143 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:03.360 Jesse Shadwick about the new Razor Pages in Core to 144 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:06.319 Core two. A bit of a flashback. I know, I 145 00:08:06.319 --> 00:08:08.639 love it, Oh my god, but the comments are awesome 146 00:08:08.680 --> 00:08:09.199 on this show. 147 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:10.920 Wait a minute, what episode number was that. 148 00:08:10.879 --> 00:08:12.800 Fourteen seventy five, five hundred shows ago? 149 00:08:12.839 --> 00:08:15.319 Oh my god, that's like right before Columbus Sail the 150 00:08:15.360 --> 00:08:22.240 Ocean Blue. We weren't doing the what happened this year 151 00:08:22.279 --> 00:08:23.199 back then? Yeah? 152 00:08:23.279 --> 00:08:24.120 No, please don't. 153 00:08:25.079 --> 00:08:27.000 All of that history is questionable at best. 154 00:08:27.360 --> 00:08:27.959 Yeah right. 155 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:31.319 This comment comes from Saint Forever, which I suspect is 156 00:08:31.360 --> 00:08:35.320 not their name. Also, a regular comment on the show 157 00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:39.320 is including today the current shows. Wow, and they go 158 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:41.200 on to say another great show. I've been looking forward 159 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:43.039 to the show ever since it was first listed as 160 00:08:43.039 --> 00:08:45.000 an upcoming show because we used to do that, used 161 00:08:45.039 --> 00:08:47.639 to show the upcoming roster. We don't anymore, right indeed. 162 00:08:47.679 --> 00:08:50.080 Asp doi net Coror Razor Pages is a well architected 163 00:08:50.120 --> 00:08:53.600 programming model for developing modern WebUI. Microsoft recommended it as 164 00:08:53.600 --> 00:08:56.320 the best way to build both simple and complex webuyes 165 00:08:56.679 --> 00:08:58.519 and as the way forward for billy web locations. With 166 00:08:58.600 --> 00:09:02.399 all all the MVCs ceremony and please Carl and Richard 167 00:09:02.440 --> 00:09:05.039 at BEG you keep them coming great shows on Razor pages. 168 00:09:05.360 --> 00:09:07.480 Developers will adopt this program all the logue full well 169 00:09:07.519 --> 00:09:09.360 the Dotta ros Dowy shows on Razor Pages, and it 170 00:09:09.399 --> 00:09:13.679 will help them make the choice. Yeah, okay, I mean 171 00:09:13.720 --> 00:09:17.360 it's been a few years, but sure, let's do one. Yeah, okay, sure, 172 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:20.360 so thanks. See, Yeah, we're with you. We're a big 173 00:09:20.399 --> 00:09:22.279 fan of Razor Pages. That's certainly what the run as 174 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:26.559 site is built out of. And although the the Dotta 175 00:09:26.639 --> 00:09:29.519 rock side is Blazer, of course that's my friend Carl's 176 00:09:29.519 --> 00:09:32.559 a big Blazer fan. Getting smallt we'll we'll keep on 177 00:09:32.799 --> 00:09:35.039 doing a thing. Yeah, And a copy of music Coby 178 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:36.159 is on its way to you. And if you'd like 179 00:09:36.200 --> 00:09:37.720 a copy of music Cobe, I write a comment on 180 00:09:37.720 --> 00:09:39.840 the website at dot NetRocks dot com or on the facebooks. 181 00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:41.399 You publish every show there, and if you comment there 182 00:09:41.399 --> 00:09:43.360 and I'm reading the show, we'll send you copy of music. 183 00:09:43.360 --> 00:09:45.799 Go and music to codeby is what we're talking about, 184 00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:48.919 still going strong after all these years. Twenty two tracks, 185 00:09:48.960 --> 00:09:52.799 twenty five minutes long each, perfect for those Pomedoro units 186 00:09:53.440 --> 00:09:56.240 when you want to slip in and out of focus easily, 187 00:09:57.000 --> 00:10:00.159 and that's at music toocoby dot net. Then we have 188 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:05.320 the collection in MP three flak and wave formats, and 189 00:10:05.799 --> 00:10:08.440 that brings us to nineteen sixty eight, which is the 190 00:10:08.519 --> 00:10:11.720 leader of the show and the things that happened in 191 00:10:11.799 --> 00:10:16.600 nineteen sixty eight. Some bad things happened in nineteen sixty eight. 192 00:10:18.080 --> 00:10:23.679 Martin Luther King was assassinated, Bobby Kennedy was assassinated. The 193 00:10:23.799 --> 00:10:28.360 Tet offensive. On January thirtieth, Vietnamese forces launch a surprise 194 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:37.360 attack across South Vietnam. The DNC protests in Chicago deep 195 00:10:37.399 --> 00:10:40.120 divisions over the deep Vietnam War and civil rights. I 196 00:10:40.120 --> 00:10:44.200 remember getting back to the Beatles from last week, Paul 197 00:10:44.240 --> 00:10:47.480 McCartney was saying, Yeah, they told us not to be political. 198 00:10:48.159 --> 00:10:50.240 You know when they say, what do you think about Vietnam? Oh, 199 00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:58.600 bad woo, bad wolf, that's it. Yeah, two thousand and one. 200 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:03.399 A Space Odyssey was released in sixty eight. Yeah, Summer Olympics. 201 00:11:03.399 --> 00:11:07.399 First time the public heard the phrase artificial intelligence. Yeah, ever, 202 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:11.080 that's right, that's the first time. Yeah. Summer Olympics in 203 00:11:11.159 --> 00:11:14.879 Mexico City notable for the black Power sloop by American 204 00:11:14.879 --> 00:11:19.200 athletes Tommy Smith and John Carlos during the metal ceremony. 205 00:11:19.720 --> 00:11:22.480 So you know, this is nothing new, this American No, 206 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:23.679 this is part of the history. 207 00:11:23.799 --> 00:11:24.039 Yeah. 208 00:11:24.279 --> 00:11:27.120 A Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty eight was signed 209 00:11:27.120 --> 00:11:30.679 into law. Great stuff, addressing housing discrimination and making a 210 00:11:30.759 --> 00:11:34.360 significant step in the civil rights movement. And I'll let 211 00:11:34.360 --> 00:11:35.519 you talk about Apollo eight. 212 00:11:35.799 --> 00:11:38.679 Well, you know, an amazing because last week's show we 213 00:11:38.679 --> 00:11:41.639 were talking about the disaster apollowed one. Yeah, and the 214 00:11:41.720 --> 00:11:44.720 three astronauts lost there. And so just shy of two 215 00:11:44.799 --> 00:11:50.120 years later, the first humans ever leave the Earth and 216 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:54.200 go beyond low Earth orbit. They Level Andmbornman and Andrews 217 00:11:54.240 --> 00:11:57.679 go around the Moon a free return trajectory. They get 218 00:11:57.679 --> 00:12:03.279 the famous photograph earth Rise by anders Yeah, and they 219 00:12:03.320 --> 00:12:04.399 read from Genesis. 220 00:12:04.639 --> 00:12:04.879 Yeah. 221 00:12:04.919 --> 00:12:07.720 But Level is also the guy who held his arm 222 00:12:07.759 --> 00:12:10.000 out at full length and covered the Earth with his thumb. 223 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:14.399 It's like everything we've ever known YEP is behind my thumb. Yeah, 224 00:12:14.440 --> 00:12:17.840 it's crazy, crazy cool. It was an extraordinary moment and 225 00:12:17.879 --> 00:12:21.039 a real positive one, and for better or worse, it 226 00:12:21.159 --> 00:12:23.600 was also there was a serious picture at that moment 227 00:12:23.639 --> 00:12:25.759 to end the Apollo program. At that point, the Americans 228 00:12:25.799 --> 00:12:28.639 had finally were ahead on the space rice. They'd now 229 00:12:28.759 --> 00:12:30.360 done something that the Soviets had not done. 230 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:35.159 I don't think it can be exaggerated the importance of 231 00:12:35.200 --> 00:12:39.080 that image of Earth from space, the Earth rise, and 232 00:12:39.200 --> 00:12:41.440 the impact that it well, not just the earth rise, 233 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:43.960 but you know, basically when we got out in the 234 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:47.559 Shuttle and we're able to take these pictures that were 235 00:12:47.879 --> 00:12:51.000 where the Earth was bigger, but earth rise was in 236 00:12:51.039 --> 00:12:53.399 the pale blue dot, of course, but the picture of 237 00:12:53.399 --> 00:13:01.120 Earth from space is probably the biggest cultural achievement for 238 00:13:01.720 --> 00:13:05.279 the mythos of who are we as a race, as 239 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:11.639 the human race, and with the biggest impact since you know, 240 00:13:11.799 --> 00:13:15.480 the Egyptians perhaps or any of the ancient. 241 00:13:15.919 --> 00:13:18.639 Astronauts to this day still talk about the overview effect 242 00:13:18.679 --> 00:13:21.480 that you see that the borders are invisible. Yeah, right, 243 00:13:21.480 --> 00:13:23.799 that the planet as a whole one. It changes the 244 00:13:23.799 --> 00:13:27.559 way you perceive things, really does. I got two computing ones, 245 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:30.399 and we'll talk about which one is more important. The 246 00:13:30.399 --> 00:13:32.000 first one, I think you'll think is the most portant, 247 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:33.720 but pretty sure. The second one is actually the first 248 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:36.440 one is that in nineteen sixty eight the company Intel 249 00:13:36.759 --> 00:13:39.519 was founded, No kidding, I Noice and more. Yeah, And 250 00:13:39.559 --> 00:13:42.759 their first product they'll start working hard on is making 251 00:13:44.120 --> 00:13:47.320 digital RAM because at that point most computers are still 252 00:13:47.440 --> 00:13:49.039 using Ferris core memory. 253 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:50.960 It's the idea of. 254 00:13:52.519 --> 00:13:55.840 Integrated circuit memory is still novel. There's only test articles 255 00:13:55.840 --> 00:13:57.679 so far. They haven't really scaled it up. But the 256 00:13:57.799 --> 00:14:01.240 original product what Moore wrote more Law about, because this 257 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:03.639 is the year that he will author the statement that 258 00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:07.039 will become Moore's law. He was talking about RAM. He 259 00:14:07.080 --> 00:14:09.879 wasn't talking about CPUs. The CPU is still two years away. 260 00:14:10.159 --> 00:14:10.559 Wow. 261 00:14:10.840 --> 00:14:14.200 And yet there's something bigger that happened in nineteen sixty eight. 262 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:18.720 It is colloquially called today the mother of all demos. 263 00:14:19.480 --> 00:14:22.679 This is dougle Engelbart's demo, which was originally named a 264 00:14:22.759 --> 00:14:25.919 Research Center for Augmenting Human Intellect. This is the Stanford 265 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:30.519 Research Institute. And he had been working on a system 266 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:37.000 of computing that he called NLS, short for online system, 267 00:14:37.039 --> 00:14:39.720 because picking random letters out of words is something they did. 268 00:14:39.840 --> 00:14:42.519 Even then, he couldn't want to call it OS because 269 00:14:42.519 --> 00:14:46.120 there's already operating system so online system NLS. There was 270 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:50.039 about a thousand people in the audiences at Stanford, including 271 00:14:50.080 --> 00:14:54.960 Alan Ka, Like a lot of your foundational computing people 272 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:57.679 were in the room for this demo. And this was 273 00:14:57.720 --> 00:15:01.840 a distributed computing demo, So not only were they at 274 00:15:03.039 --> 00:15:07.600 the SRI Center there, but they had these custom made 275 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:12.759 twelve hundred modems and least lines to different locations. Bill 276 00:15:12.840 --> 00:15:16.159 Paxton was remote. Bill English was there, and they used 277 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:20.519 an edit for video projector to show the screen that 278 00:15:20.559 --> 00:15:23.919 Engelbert was working from on a twenty two foot wide screen. 279 00:15:23.960 --> 00:15:26.720 Soever you could see it. The mouse prototype, which had 280 00:15:26.720 --> 00:15:28.919 only been built a year or two before, is involved, 281 00:15:29.440 --> 00:15:35.919 and what Douglas is demonstrating is resizing windows and highlighting text. 282 00:15:36.600 --> 00:15:40.559 And at one point Paxton remotely edits some text that 283 00:15:42.039 --> 00:15:45.240 Ingelbart had written. And at the end of this ninety 284 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:49.600 minute demo, it's just this huge standing ovation. Wow, they 285 00:15:49.759 --> 00:15:55.440 saw the future that day. The future we were in diapers, right, 286 00:15:56.679 --> 00:16:00.440 this is nineteen sixty eight, we were one one year old. Yeah, 287 00:16:00.519 --> 00:16:04.200 the metaphors that you use in the computer today were 288 00:16:04.279 --> 00:16:07.200 demonstrated that day. It's why they call it the Mother 289 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:07.960 of all demos. 290 00:16:08.200 --> 00:16:11.279 Wow, I can't imagine what the excitement must have been 291 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:13.320 like the audience. 292 00:16:13.320 --> 00:16:16.000 And that's the same year as we put humans around 293 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:21.000 the moon like sixty eight is horrible and astonishing. 294 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:25.320 Yeah, what are you amazing? And on that happy note, 295 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:30.039 which it is actually it is introduced David So. David 296 00:16:30.080 --> 00:16:35.600 Wenja is a principal software engineer at Microsoft based in Melbourne, Australia. 297 00:16:35.720 --> 00:16:39.039 He's currently the lead developer on the Razor Tooling experience 298 00:16:39.120 --> 00:16:42.200 in Visual Studio and Visual Studio Code, but has otherwise 299 00:16:42.679 --> 00:16:45.559 been working on dot net tooling for the last seven years, 300 00:16:46.200 --> 00:16:49.000 with almost the entirety of that work being done in 301 00:16:49.039 --> 00:16:54.279 the open on GitHub. He's passionate about good design, simple code, 302 00:16:54.399 --> 00:16:58.320 and delivering a constant stream of pull requests to surprise 303 00:16:58.440 --> 00:17:03.279 and confuse his coworker nice. When not working, he spends 304 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:06.039 more time than he probably should on social media and 305 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:12.000 enjoys admiring his lego collection from a respectful distance. Welcome, David, 306 00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:12.920 Thank you very much. 307 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:18.359 Lovely pronunciation by the way. Yeah, I'm trying you trying 308 00:17:18.680 --> 00:17:19.640 Melbourne right as well? 309 00:17:19.720 --> 00:17:21.160 That's the Melbourne Nevin. 310 00:17:21.279 --> 00:17:24.160 Yeah, usually that's the trap. Yeah, thank you for having. 311 00:17:24.039 --> 00:17:26.480 Me all I remember most about Melbourne. Is it's windy 312 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:29.799 all the flip and time. Sometimes a warm wind, sometimes 313 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:31.599 it's a bitterly cold wind. 314 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:35.880 Yes, well, especially at the places where the conference venues 315 00:17:35.920 --> 00:17:37.519 tend to be, which is I'm sure what you've bunk 316 00:17:37.559 --> 00:17:38.000 out a lot? 317 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:39.519 Yeah? Right by the river right? 318 00:17:39.799 --> 00:17:42.960 Yeh. So I have a couple of Australian terms I'd 319 00:17:43.039 --> 00:17:44.839 like to settle with you. 320 00:17:45.519 --> 00:17:45.799 Okay. 321 00:17:46.759 --> 00:17:49.759 First of all, I first, I can't remember who I 322 00:17:49.839 --> 00:17:51.880 was talking to when I first heard the word chuffed. 323 00:17:52.960 --> 00:17:56.559 That's an Australian term for really happy. I'm excited. I'm chuffed. 324 00:17:57.039 --> 00:17:58.720 I'm chuffed to be here, chuff to be here. 325 00:17:58.839 --> 00:18:02.319 And second one is you guys really don't put shrimp 326 00:18:02.440 --> 00:18:03.519 on the bobbie. 327 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:03.799 Do you know? 328 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:06.000 I don't think I've ever seen anyone do that. 329 00:18:06.039 --> 00:18:07.480 And they don't say that, I mean, we don't call 330 00:18:07.519 --> 00:18:09.720 it shrimp. No, that's an American. 331 00:18:09.759 --> 00:18:12.640 We would say prawns. Yeah, we would say prawns. And 332 00:18:13.079 --> 00:18:14.559 even then, but on. 333 00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:16.319 The barbie, you don't do you say barbie or do 334 00:18:16.359 --> 00:18:19.160 you say grill? Now we say bobby, you do say barbie? Okay? 335 00:18:19.359 --> 00:18:21.119 Oh yeah, we like to shorten everything. 336 00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:25.720 Yeah, yeah, even McDonald's is too long. It's mackers. 337 00:18:26.359 --> 00:18:27.559 Yes, absolutely, so. 338 00:18:27.599 --> 00:18:31.319 I remember Adam Cogan saying let's have some brecky not 339 00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:32.680 breakfast hot eggs. 340 00:18:34.759 --> 00:18:35.119 That's right. 341 00:18:35.200 --> 00:18:38.440 And also Foster's beer is like water. You don't drink that. 342 00:18:38.480 --> 00:18:39.880 Stuff, right, Yeah, we don't drink that. 343 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:43.400 No, No, I remember, Actually I was. I was in 344 00:18:43.480 --> 00:18:45.759 London a few months ago and walked into a to 345 00:18:45.880 --> 00:18:48.519 a pub there and they had it. I actually can't 346 00:18:48.519 --> 00:18:51.000 remember the last time I'd seen Foster's. Yeah, I have 347 00:18:51.079 --> 00:18:52.640 to travel internationally to do it. 348 00:18:53.119 --> 00:18:57.880 So the American idea of Australia is nothing like Australia itself. 349 00:18:57.960 --> 00:19:00.440 You just gotta go, yeah, got to go. 350 00:19:00.720 --> 00:19:03.400 The American idea of animals that will kill you. And 351 00:19:03.960 --> 00:19:05.839 Appeck Steakhouse no. 352 00:19:06.200 --> 00:19:10.359 Yeah, yeah, I know Crocodile Dundee really and Outback Steakhouse 353 00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:12.319 is owned by somebody from California. 354 00:19:12.359 --> 00:19:15.000 If I'm not mistaken, like you know, I would not 355 00:19:15.119 --> 00:19:15.839 Australian at. 356 00:19:15.759 --> 00:19:19.160 All, wouldn't surprise me if they've never been to Australia. Yeah, well, 357 00:19:19.200 --> 00:19:20.960 then again, I've never been to an Appback steakhouse. So 358 00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:23.160 maybe you know, maybe I should speak at a school. 359 00:19:23.200 --> 00:19:26.200 I mean, it's all right, but I wouldn't call it Australian. Yeah, 360 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:30.799 all right, let's talk about the Razor experience, the Razor 361 00:19:31.000 --> 00:19:34.480 editor experience. I have a particular interest in this because 362 00:19:34.519 --> 00:19:38.720 I'm a Blazer developer mostly. And you heard our talk 363 00:19:38.799 --> 00:19:40.880 with Dustin Campbell, right, Yes, that's right. 364 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:46.640 Dustin's been I guess, moonlighting on Razor Tooling for a bit. 365 00:19:46.720 --> 00:19:49.519 He's you know, he floats around and works on what 366 00:19:49.599 --> 00:19:52.240 he wants to work on, but he's been helping out. 367 00:19:52.319 --> 00:19:52.480 Yeah. 368 00:19:52.759 --> 00:19:56.839 Yeah, he's been helping out. Heapes on Razor Tooling, doing 369 00:19:56.960 --> 00:19:59.480 lots of stuff on the compiler, but also lots of 370 00:19:59.519 --> 00:20:02.640 stuff on the two. And yes, I heard I heard 371 00:20:02.720 --> 00:20:06.240 your excitement at when he mentioned this new co hosting effort, 372 00:20:06.400 --> 00:20:09.839 and I thought, oh, well, if that's if that's interesting 373 00:20:09.920 --> 00:20:12.319 to people, then I can talk about that for oh, 374 00:20:12.519 --> 00:20:14.200 I don't know forever. I've been working on it for 375 00:20:14.240 --> 00:20:17.240 about eighteen months, almost exclusively. 376 00:20:17.359 --> 00:20:21.079 So yeah, well, why don't you remind us what that 377 00:20:21.880 --> 00:20:22.400 was all about? 378 00:20:22.759 --> 00:20:26.279 Sure, well, I mean let me take one step further back. 379 00:20:27.279 --> 00:20:31.880 So in actually almost at the time that comment that 380 00:20:31.960 --> 00:20:35.000 Richard red was from when Visual Studia twenty twenty two 381 00:20:35.200 --> 00:20:38.039 was released. I believe the first version of that. There 382 00:20:38.160 --> 00:20:40.319 was a new Razor Editor then and it was based 383 00:20:40.359 --> 00:20:43.920 on LSP, which is Language Server Protocol, which is this 384 00:20:44.519 --> 00:20:47.680 way to disconnect language services from the ide and have 385 00:20:48.680 --> 00:20:52.079 you know, sharing of code and have one server be 386 00:20:52.119 --> 00:20:55.119 able to go in multiple IDs, et cetera. It's really 387 00:20:55.200 --> 00:20:59.839 cool idea. And the Razor Editor was the first sort 388 00:20:59.880 --> 00:21:04.400 of widely used LSP editor in Visual Studio. LSP had 389 00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:06.599 come out of Visual Studio Code and it's much much 390 00:21:06.599 --> 00:21:09.039 bigger part of that, just you know, by its architecture, 391 00:21:09.079 --> 00:21:10.880 it's more separated and things. 392 00:21:11.559 --> 00:21:15.400 It's cool and so stuff being built visual Studio being 393 00:21:15.440 --> 00:21:18.079 brought to Visual Studio, code being brought to Visual Studio. 394 00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:19.960 I didn't know about that. That's interesting. 395 00:21:20.160 --> 00:21:23.880 Yeah. So actually eighty nine of the code in the 396 00:21:23.960 --> 00:21:28.200 Razor repository is behind sort of part of this LSP server, 397 00:21:28.400 --> 00:21:30.799 and the same server is shipped with vs code in 398 00:21:30.839 --> 00:21:33.720 the c sharp extension and with Visual Studio, and in 399 00:21:33.799 --> 00:21:36.039 fact there's even some bits that go the other way. 400 00:21:36.160 --> 00:21:40.319 So the CSS LSP server that is shipped in Visual 401 00:21:40.359 --> 00:21:43.319