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and I'm s WT and we have a guest, a
very special guest. My god, I'm so I'm so excited.
I'm like hyper right now. I know we're talking really
fast so that we can get we don't Mark, Garrett, Mark,
I was just at his house the other day. You are, yeah,
you're so love his wife, but I know I don't
get to see him.
Speaker 4: Not that I don't.
Speaker 2: I mean, I love Paulette, but I like, I have
a million questions from more.
Speaker 5: I just love lawyer ship. I love to hear about
the law. Like we're talking to him about so many.
Speaker 2: So many things. I watched the John Bennet and I
think you're right. Well, we'll talk later, Okay, Okay, yes, Hi.
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Speaker 4: You so you know how you always when women dye
their hair. Yeah, and then the brows sometimes don't match. Now,
so do you use the non matching or do you
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question in here.
Speaker 4: I know that in the middle of the read please
do it just came from Adams. And there's the substantially
larger studio and this I literally have a closet in
my house that is is larger than.
Speaker 2: This now been in my house. And I feel like
you're cross examining us. I know, like Mark, I know
we're going to look weird because because the background will
start to screw with you mentally and your your vision
and you're going to we're going to look like we're
three D popping out right, but you'll adjust. I know
it's terrible the lighting, and it's I need to finish
this adreation. Adam shoved us in a closet.
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before we get into Mark, Yeah, we were.
Speaker 4: Just talking though I'll tell you. Adam and I were
just talking on reasonable doubt about the fact that he
stays at the hotels that have hallways that are outside,
and that Lynette stays at hotels where the hallways on
their inside. And so now I understand why you're in
the closet because this is psychic payback.
Speaker 2: Listen, look at the cars in that in this area
over there. If you walk out of this room, you're
going to bump.
Speaker 4: Into the time. Do you spend hammering him over the cars?
Because if I had this car collection, Paullette would be.
Speaker 2: On me, you know, would you know what I get?
If I say one peep? And I'm sorry because I
know you're trying to do an ad. But if I
say one peep, he says, are you kidding? That's Sonny
and Italia's that's their that's their college education.
Speaker 4: But you don't want to give him a trust fund
though you don't tell you no, no, no, you don't
want to be kids.
Speaker 2: That's our investments. He doesn't invest in stocks, he doesn't
you know that that's this has.
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finish the ad you've got that I've done with that
you've done glossier, right, gloss. I'm using it as we speak.
It's the greatest eyebrow product. Now we're talking about my
sister in law's X. In that ax, my sister in
law's father who's now passed away. When the I R
S or the franchise tax board would come to audit,
he would stick him in a small closet like room
and then turn the air conditioning off. And then he
figured they wouldn't want to hang around and do the
audit anymore. So this is when you know, idea, you
don't what the guests here, You put him in the closet,
you turn the air off, and they lead pretty soon.
Speaker 2: Now Mark walked in here, going what the it's happening here?
He's like, it's hot in here. It's weird.
Speaker 4: It's like, but isn't his area bigger than yours?
Speaker 2: I think so engineers, Yes, did you turn the air on?
Speaker 6: But how much room do you need? I like dancing
in here? Yea no, hot, No, we can I get
right to a question that I have.
Speaker 5: For you, because I am I'm going and asked with
crime and murder, and I and ask Lynnette. We've been
doing this, we've been podcasting together for like almost six
years at this point, so she knows all about me
and I really wanted to be a lawyer. Yes, our
kids were very little when we started. I would have
loved to have been a lawyer, only I didn't. I
barely graduated high school and didn't go to college.
Speaker 4: Some of the best lawyers I know ones who barely
graduated high school.
Speaker 2: Really, but then you have to go to law school.
Speaker 4: Yeah that doesn't Well, technically you could apprentice for eighteen
months and then take the bar. You just got to
pass to pass the bar. Yeah, I mean, if Lynette
spent just another six months with me, you could have qualified.
Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, oh my god, I would love it. Get somebody.
Speaker 4: Courtroom. Go on. She is very she's got perfect instinct.
Speaker 2: Well, we don't count that as apprenticing. Well, sure we
had where we have questions for you, but just so
the audience. Now, when we got sued by Adam's best
stupid best friend Donnie who, Mark was like, that's your
best friend. Like, this guy's a stoner. What the fuck
are you thinking? It's starting a business with him? He
can't even read. Anyways, we dispara I don't know, sorry,
defend you again. Okay, Look, if you got if you're
getting sued, you want gargos on your side, because you
walk through that LA courtroom, I mean the LA courthouse.
And he walks in there like I said this before.
We walks in there like he owns the place, like
oh hey, he's all smiles. Hey, hy judge, Hey judge,
Judge Thompson, come this way, you come in the chambers,
Come meet judge. Time brings me and Adam into the chambers. Wait,
we got a we have a nine o'clock mark.
Speaker 5: We gotta go.
Speaker 4: Tomorrow, we gotta go. It's like, now we got time,
we got.
Speaker 2: Time, let's go. And he's intimidating to the other side
when they were trying to intimidate us, And it was great.
Speaker 5: It was great, except and as we know, there's such
a difference between somebody defending you that is a well
I guess paid for right because I was on a
jury only one time when well I was pregnant with
my first child, who's turning twelve. Okay, so twelve years ago.
Speaker 2: Which court uh van eyes.
Speaker 4: Okay, so civil or criminal?
Speaker 2: Criminal?
Speaker 4: Criminal?
Speaker 5: Judge's name was Catherine. I want to say our Kathleen Kathleen. Yeah,
she was great.
Speaker 2: I love the judge.
Speaker 4: Yes, nice, so one of my favorite judges.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's retired now. I've only seen her a couple
of times last year.
Speaker 2: I loved her.
Speaker 4: Was she was really phenomenal. Yeah, she's incredibly smart. In fact,
I think my father before he retired, tried his last
case in front of her, and I just adore her.
I just I missed her. Yeah. It was not too
many judges like her around anymore.
Speaker 6: I was like a fan of hers by the time
we left.
Speaker 4: But you are guilty voter.
Speaker 5: Oh well, I can tell you in a nutshell what
it was. So it was so and I I went
to go audition. I was gonna say auditioned to be
on the jury. But I went there wanting to be
on a case because I was pregnant. I'd already quit
my job job ended, so I had what was your job?
I was a writer TV writer, but the show I
was writing on ended and I was seven months pregnant,
so I was not going to go try to get
another job at that time.
Speaker 2: So I had a lot of time to kill and
always wanted to be on a jury.
Speaker 5: So I was basically asking to be on the jury
without begging, which I now know is sort of a
red flag, but they.
Speaker 4: Have total red flag. In fact, I always tell the juriys, look,
if you think that you want to get on this jury,
then don't let me know that because I'm not.
Speaker 2: Going to write you.
Speaker 4: I want people because the only time, you know, nobody
wants to be on a jury, they want to get off.
So anytime somebody wants to get on immediately suspicious.
Speaker 5: I think they weren't suspicious. I think they liked me
because I told them why. I said, the reason why
is I'm really bored. I was like, I'm really bored.
I am very interested. I want to be fair like
I well.
Speaker 4: You know, I've left. I had a case with also
another Kathleen judge, Kathleen Kennedy downtown.
Speaker 2: And she's the one you brought us in the chambers with.
Speaker 4: She was exactly and so there's there was a t
and I asked the guy who do you write for?
And he told me it was for the Sopranos. And
I said, you know anything about this case when you
heard the charges that makes you think one way or another?
And he said, mister gergasu kidding. I look over your
clients and they look like they could be auditioning for
the show now by code offendant, code defend Co Council says,
we got to get rid of these guys. I said, no,
I like collect this guy. He said his wife wrote
for Law and Order and he thought that was a
punk show and that he ended up being my four
person and we got to go to it. Wow.
Speaker 5: Well, I will tell you fine, this is also interesting.
I think might be interesting to you. So the case
was I'll just make it quick because I want to
hear you. But was a guy who was up on
the count was that he was making criminal threats. He
it was a guy who was drunk driving, hit a
car and then hit a couple more cars, caused like
a big accident, and then was drunk and saying I'm
going to go to my car. I have a gun
and I'm going to shoot you. But he didn't have
a gun and he didn't actually.
Speaker 2: Go to a car. And guilty. No, I didn't vote
not guilty. He was guilty.
Speaker 5: But the problem, I'll tell you what the problem was
the problem was his defense attorney sucked his He had
a public defender and she was really bad and the
problem was is I would have I had a lot
of problems with the case, but the problems that I
had weren't They weren't arguing that right, so that they
were basically saying he was drunk. The public defender tried
to say that he wasn't the one driving. That's what
they wanted us to let him off on.
Speaker 2: And I was like, okay, but he was driving.
Speaker 4: He was.
Speaker 5: But here's the thing that really killed me was Oh, well,
so I'm pregnant and one of the people that got
hit in the car was pregnant.
Speaker 6: I was very surprised they put.
Speaker 2: Me on there because you were.
Speaker 5: Pregnant person that got hit scared and trauma taized, right.
But I was kind of on the guy's side a
little bit because the thing that they were making such
a One of the witnesses, one of the people who
was kind of involved, was so dramatic and histrionic about it,
and like they went to the hospital, nothing happened to her.
The guy never went and got a gun. He was
just drunk and yelling about a gun, but he didn't
have a gun. He never went to a car and
got a gun. Nothing ever happened to anybody.
Speaker 4: Does your husband do.
Speaker 2: He's a writer, right, so you could see him doing.
Speaker 6: That getting really drunk and yeah, yeah, you know, I.
Speaker 4: Have a great deal of sympathy for that guy if
you can't let off a little steam by getting drunk
and yellow.
Speaker 2: Wasn't that.
Speaker 5: It was just I have a problem when people are
so victimized, like nothing happened to her, She didn't miss
a day of work, like she went to the hospital.
Speaker 4: That's a very good insight, because I can't tell. I
had a case in West Covina years ago, and it
was a doctor out of Arcadia and the doctor was
accused groping the receptionist or something, and so we were
I had the receptionists on the stand and I swear
to God, she would cry whenever the DA would ask
her a question, like he touched my boob or something
like that. Okay, got it exactly. I rocked up against
their boom, so the she would cry and cry, and
then I got up to stop crying because I'm the
evil defense lawyer. And so then we the judge called
us into chambers for something, and the DA was objecting
because I was I was mauling this this woman. So
we went to changers. Did not, so they take us.
They take us into the back and one of my
clients tell us to come back. They said, she started
crying again as soon as you guys left the room,
and the jury that was it. They were done, and
the jury, sure enough, they acquitted the guy. They said,
the same kind of thing. H cares right right, Well.
Speaker 5: That's what I was like, this is your lead witness,
and she didn't get hurt, but she oh so she
got They gave her a valume.
Speaker 2: So my thing I was kind of trying to argue
with the with the my fellow jurists was which.
Speaker 4: By the way, was you know as I was growing up,
my mother and her coterie of friends, they were all
on valuume and any other thing from six to twelve
stand yeah right, none, I mean everybody was valuum value.
Speaker 2: Yeah, volume is a nice drug.
Speaker 5: I don't take it anymore, but well Xanax is the
new new value outa van.
Speaker 6: But anyway, I was trying to say, like that, the problem.
Speaker 4: Was she Drew, and Drew can give us some guidance
on this.
Speaker 2: It was gross bodily injury, so he had right.
Speaker 6: So also I found this out later. It was his
third strike. Guys, never coming out.
Speaker 5: Yeah. But the thing that pissed me off was I
was like, that's a gross bodily Well, the problem was
the defense wasn't saying it wasn't. She was saying, yes
he did this, and yes he did the injury, but
I want to say that he was not guilty because
he wasn't driving the car. Well, so now we all
go and we're talking amongst ourselves and me and this
other one woman. There was only two intelligent people. I'm
including myself because it wasn't really that hard to look
intelligent next to these I don't understand where these people came.
Speaker 6: From, but they were.
Speaker 2: I was traumatized.
Speaker 6: Me and the other girl, who was normal, were like
what is happening.
Speaker 5: We would go to lunch and and we couldn't really
talk about the case, but we would just be like,
I don't understand these people. They're they're going like, yeah,
well maybe he wasn't driving the car. I'm like, well,
then how the fuck did he get back in? How
did he he was in the car.
Speaker 2: The cops came upon him, airbags were deployed, the car
door was dented in.
Speaker 5: I'm like, if he wasn't driving, the card to get
in there. She had no The defense attorney had no
explanation for that. She was like, well, nobody really saw
him driving the car, well except for the cop that
came to arrest.
Speaker 2: Him, and he was in the car.
Speaker 4: He was in the car.
Speaker 2: Was he injured, No, he was injured. No he wasn't.
Speaker 4: Really do you have seat belt marks?
Speaker 6: I don't really remember what happened, but the accident, it
wasn't a bad acporting.
Speaker 4: Guy is in custody for the rest of his life.
He's gone for doing nothing terrible.
Speaker 2: Well, he was drunk driving, for sure, that's what's get injured.
Speaker 5: Rubbed up a boob and nobody got injured.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he grabbed somebody's boob.
Speaker 2: Exactly done.
Speaker 4: But I was not.
Speaker 2: My My big problem was I.
Speaker 5: Was like, this wasn't fair that he got this defense
attorney because we weren't allowed to argue certain things.
Speaker 2: That's the thing, because I think it's.
Speaker 5: It's not about that, And they're like, well, you can't
argue that it wasn't gross bodily injury because that's not
being argued, Like, you're not, that's not that's not one
of the options. Like he's either guilty of felony threats.
It was he committed felony threat?
Speaker 2: Did he or did he not?
Speaker 6: Do you believe that he said I have a gun
and I'm going to get my gun.
Speaker 4: You know, for a second, when you were describing this case,
it sounded like the last case my father tried in
front of Judge Stoltz, because that was one where there
was an accident and our client took a baseball bat
and beat the crap out of the car that the
purported victim was.
Speaker 6: But oh, no, no, no, he this guy had no
weapon strung and so and they acquitted.
Speaker 4: They found not guilty. Guy.
Speaker 2: I have a question, I asked, First of all, let
me give him a plug. Glorious your TV show on
thor I haven't recorded it was the first episode, right
was last When this is airing.
Speaker 4: This Friday, then then go onto ABC dot com and
watch the first three episodes. So make sure you do it.
I'm so it's based on what is it tell us,
based on the relationship between me and Wendy Walker. Wendy
was the executive producer for twenty years for Larry King
and kind of It's life imitating art, art imitating life.
I say that because in the premiere episode, there was
my fictional characters driving up in his porch to the
client's house and the client's house is surrounded by Swatt
Swat team. Three weeks ago, I get a calls I
was doing a podcast with Brown, Chris Brown. There you go,
Chris Brown, and we go up and boom boom boom.
Now this is the you're looking at on the screen,
the sexy charismatic defense lawyer. Yeah, played by Daniel Sanjatta
and Piper Parabo who plays Wendy's.
Speaker 2: She's been everywhere promoting Jimmy's Yeah, yeah, yeah, she.
Speaker 4: Didn't give me a plug. Jimmy had to oh yeah.
Speaker 6: On the show.
Speaker 4: I'm an executive producer. Executive producer. I go to the
writer's room and the writers send me stuff and I
tell them you can't do this, and they say, yeah, yeah,
yes we can. And sometimes they'll think my suggestions, sometimes
they won't.
Speaker 5: That's great, modeled off as your's amazing fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is so fun. Awesome.
Speaker 4: Wait what was your TV show?
Speaker 2: That what she wrote on?
Speaker 6: Oh, that I wrote on. I also had my own
talk show.
Speaker 4: But yeah, that's where I know you from.
Speaker 5: Probably Nickelode Yeah, Nickelode His kids are older and yeah,
probably yeah, probably not.
Speaker 6: I wrote on Hollywood Squares. I was a comedy writer.
Speaker 4: Did you ever write for Paul Lynn?
Speaker 2: No, there you.
Speaker 5: I wrote for Ellen DeGeneres, I wrote for Yeah. I
wrote on a lot of game shows, variety shows.
Speaker 2: Really joke writer. Yeah, and then and then I've written.
Speaker 4: Some books now and what are your books called?
Speaker 2: Sippy cups?
Speaker 6: Are not for chardonay? Nap Time's the new happy Hour?
Speaker 2: It's not me, it's you, It's not it's I'm kind
of a big deal.
Speaker 6: And gummy Bear should not be organic. That's my last one. Okay, yeah,
have their opinions.
Speaker 2: But I want to talk about can I need? I
needed to talk about the Hot car Dad? Yes? Are
you up on this case? Just hot car Dad?
Speaker 4: I am? I am a one.
Speaker 2: This is a guy.
Speaker 5: I'm obsessed with this case. I'm listening to it on Breakdown.
Speaker 4: This was huge on CNN, and I commented on it initially,
he did when it happened. And then because the election
cover just kind of eclipsed everything, they're not really covering
it as much. Where do you get your news on this? Well?
Speaker 5: Because no, the reason why they weren't covering it as
much is because uh well, yeah, probably the election. But
they had a big break because they had to move.
They moved it even though they had started the whole
they couldn't find jury. A jury, everybody, yes, So they
moved it. And months and months went by, like a
long time went by. And now there's a podcast that
covers it a week.
Speaker 2: It's a week. It's called what it's called Breakdown. Yeah
so I haven't heard the newest episodes, but.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so what here's my main question that I'm dying.
Speaker 4: For a parson like you to tell me that he's guilty.
Speaker 6: I think he's I absolutely think he's guilty.
Speaker 4: And I would have predicted that because you're a professional
white woman, and professional white women come in with a
presumption of guilt. Anytime you interject the guy who's screwing
around with prostitutes, or the guy's screwing around he's cheating
on the wife, or anything like that, or there's a
cheating element or sexual outside.
Speaker 2: The box element, then you wouldn't want her on the jurney.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't let her get within eight hundred miles of
this jurty. This guy's devil incarnate, right.
Speaker 5: I think that there is a lot of I think
that he'll probably be acquitted. But my question is, yes,
I think he's guilty. But my question is a lot
of the evidence, like that he was in these chat
that he was in these chat rooms, child free lifestyle,
that he was, and I feel like he planned it well.
Also the fact that he one of the first things
he said to the cop where the cops said, might
have said, you might be accused of doing this, he said,
but there was no malicious intent, and there was a
lot he did research on how long does it take
for something to die in your car? For an animal
to die in the backseat of your car. I mean,
I think there's so much much like circumstantial evidence. Okay, so,
but my actual question is so much is being made
of trying to convince a jury that people can accidentally
leave your kid in the car, which I don't understand
why so much, because yes, I agree, you can absolutely,
of course that can happen.
Speaker 4: To what we used to say. It's funny. I used
to do CNN with Sonny Houston, who's now in the
view and Sonny as much of a prosecutor as Sonny is,
and she was always a prosecutor. Even she said the
same thing that she had, like Gabriel or kid in
the car once and panic And I can't tell you
how many times I'm right back in the day.
Speaker 2: Yeah it is, it can happen.
Speaker 4: It's happen. Yeah, it's scary.
Speaker 5: So they're trying to get the jury to understand and
they have all these experts that they've brought that this
is a phenomenon that can happen if you change your
routine or just if the different person is taking the kid,
or if something else is on your mind, that you
can go into autopilot and just keep going and forget
to drop your kids.
Speaker 4: Tacare the kid falls asleep.
Speaker 2: Ryes.
Speaker 5: I absolutely think that that's a real thing. But what
I don't understand is that's.
Speaker 2: Not the case.
Speaker 5: Like, you're not trying a case to go Look, listen,
we're accusing this guy of accidentally leaving his kid in
the car. Like the case is that he purposely killed
his kids so that he could get out of The defense.
Speaker 2: Defense is saying that, right is that they don't have anything.
What are they going to what is there.
Speaker 4: Obviously once they see I think it's a little disingenuous
and that's just a defense lawyer in me, so I'll
say it. Yeah, that's when they start off with the
prosecution saying, well, he wanted to see prostitutes, he wanted
a kid free lifestyle, blah blah blah blah blah. That's
character assassination to start off with. Okay, And now I
know that that's their theory. I don't know that that
actually has any basis in reality or if it really
is it, but it is certainly as a way to
get you to hate the guy before you come into
the courtroom. And that's a problem because then are you
convicting him because he patronizes prostitutes or there's not a
you're convicting him because he really wanted to murder the kid.
I can't imagine. I mean, and look, I always think,
try to find there's very few people I've ever met
who are truly evil, and I've represented people who everybody
thinks it. It's just few and far between. In fact,
I was in a courtroom yesterday with a judge who
said the same thing. The judge has been on the
bench for thirty years and said we were having that discussion.
He says, you know, there just aren't There's maybe two
or three times in our careers, and he and I
that I've ever had somebody, I said, yeah, that person's
just evil warehouse. You can give it a spin. You
can always I mean, you give me something, how horrible
happens to you. You let me check your phone, your text,
your computer and do a deep dive into your life.
And there's going to be stuff that I can screw
around with and make you look guilty of something. I mean,
that's just the way it is.
Speaker 3: And I.
Speaker 5: Understand that, and innocent people go to jail all the time,
so I realize that you can absolutely be made to
look guilty. But I also really think that there are
people that can compartmentalize. And I mean I think this
guy compartmentalized the whole Having a kid was like an inconvenience.
Speaker 2: This was a person who's sole focus.
Speaker 5: I mean there's there were like forty thousand messages on
his phone, like that is all he This guy did
all day long was like message with women. That's not
a person who's focused on being a dad or focused
on You think there in any way.
Speaker 2: Though, as a defense attorney, that maybe they should be
focusing on the fact that instead of that, instead of
oh it could be. It can happen that he was,
that he was distracted and he all he cared about
was other women and were sex and they a thousand.
Speaker 5: It's not just like if he the guy was having
an affair whatever, I don't give a shit what you're
you're having an affair, that doesn't make you a bad dad.
I absolutely agree with that. It's not the having an affair.
It's not even having Internet messages with younger women. It's
not even meeting women for sex and being gross. It's
you are spending all that's all you're doing your you're concerned.
Speaker 4: I'm kind of with Lynette on that he's so consumed
that he's forgotten about the kid who fell asleep in
the back of the car.
Speaker 5: Defense that why should okay, why besides his forty thousand
messages with women, why is he googling how long does
it take for something to die on the back of
your car.
Speaker 4: I don't know anybody to do that, because I'll tell
you I've had Google searches used in cases that I've
tried where it turns out they didn't actually use that,
that it was part of the pop up that comes
along on the side or the promoted stuff. And when
you do a Internet, when you do the when you
do what's called the in case system to replicate the computer,
that it hits everything that pops up. So if there's
a page and it's got seven different promoted stories and
you're not even reading one of the stories on the
right or left, the way in case system makes it
look it looks like you read it. So somebody's genius,
Donald Trump's genius way to pay off your mortgage. You
didn't click on that article, but that article will show
your search. Well, yes, says you were. I'm a r.
So the thing is, I'm never I've never seen one
of those Google search pieces of evidence that when you
drilled down on the forensic person that the forensic person
didn't admit. Yeah, you're right that probably. We don't know
if he actually read that article. We don't know. We
can't even tell how long that article was up. We
all we know is that it was in a stream
of the articles that were called.
Speaker 2: So as a defense attorney, that's what you focus on.
Speaker 5: So why do you think though that that guy said,
and this is proven, why do you think he said
it's not malicious intent?
Speaker 4: Okay, I'll give you another thing. Yeah, that was just
an oral statement by the cop. It's not proven number one,
And you're going to get a jury instruction if George
is the same as here that says any oral admission
out of court that's not recorded is to be viewed
with caution. And so you're going to say just because
the cop says it doesn't mean that it asks.
Speaker 5: So how can you prove? So let's just say you
are that guy and you're like, I am not in
love with my wife. I'm really not like liking this
whole being a dad, this whole thing. I'm not connected
to this kid. I don't I'm not connected to this lifestyle.
What I really want is to like just go do
my thing and like fuck a lot of random women,
and this is really holding me down, and this my life.
Let's just say, hypothetically, this guy did do it, okay,
and not because he's a serial killer or because he's
a mass murder, but because he's like compartmentalized in his mind.
Speaker 6: He's not connected to this made to him if he did.
Speaker 4: But how could you ever if you're a if you're
a prosecutor, prosecutor's got all the cards in this case,
he's got all the cards.
Speaker 5: But all these things that I'm mentioning, you're saying are
not proof. And you probably see somebody being in somebody like.
Speaker 4: You if you're on that jury, right, you've already decided
that this guy needs to get the death penalty. You know,
you're you're done with.
Speaker 2: I don't believe in the death penalty.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, but you'd make an exception in this guy's case. No, okay,
so good. So because it doesn't get makes sense, it's.
Speaker 2: A big I'm absolutely one hundred perp. So we don't
need them. What do we need the person in society
they decide are you going.
Speaker 4: To let me tell you what the problem is besides
the cost?
Speaker 2: My problem with it if they're innocent.
Speaker 4: I'm in the criminal justice system. Nobody gets it right,
you know?
Speaker 2: And as you said, every year and you're you're by
the way and having uh sex, being able to have
what is it called contra right?
Speaker 4: Right? Right?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 2: What what we're going to have now? The spawn of
Charles Manson? Come on, I mean there's in certain cases
I think, by yes, there is a problem.
Speaker 5: But short of the death penalty, there is a problem
with people committing horrendous crimes against children, against and getting
out and not being able to put them in jail.
Speaker 4: For commit if you commit a crime, and I listen
to a lot.
Speaker 2: Of podcasts, I'm kind of an expert.
Speaker 4: Well let me ask you don't get Let me just
tell you you don't get out. In fact, you get
probably life times four times for if you do something
against kids. I mean, that's one of the misnumbers. It's
it's horrible because whenever there's an exception, like a rock
Turner case, the Stanford rape case, when that case happens
and somebody says, oh, this is awful, this rich white
kit gets off, and then we start changing the laws,
then you've got the law of unintended consequences and all
that does is tie judges hands in cases where you
need a judge to have discretion and you shouldn't punish
a judge. Look what's going to happen the next time
that some kid, God forbid that somebody that you've got
a son who gets into a gets drunk and gets
into a date rape situation and you know they both
were drunk and they end up filing on the kid.
The white people who come into my office always say,
where are my rights? What happened to my rights? They said,
you voted them away when we you know, had this proposition,
that proposition and we're going to get tough on crime.
So always beer of the tough on crime, it ends
up sweeping up more people.
Speaker 5: This place where they the Jacob Wetterling, you know how
they just found the body of Jacob Waterling and the
guy I just listened to a.
Speaker 2: Multi a whole the whole Seri podcast. Yeah, yeah, kind
of the podcast.
Speaker 3: Kind of I kind of.
Speaker 2: An honorary law degree. I don't want to brag, but
I have listened to like a lot of podcast.
Speaker 5: Okay, so but that guy is only only got like
got like a short sentence because they made a deal
with him. They said they would drop all charges so
that he would show them the body.
Speaker 4: Right, and it's how many years later, well yeah, something
like that, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but he's uh molested like tons he but before
he did this, he like molested like tons of kids.
Speaker 6: And because as I don't know, see.
Speaker 4: Do you know, if you invite me back, I'll do
a deep dive on the facts.
Speaker 2: And then we'll okay, let me ask you this. The
lost the the case of Lacey, is it lazy? Lady Peterson?
I always want to say the guy's name that played him,
Dean Dean King, when you were.
Speaker 4: When you were defending Dean, who was splitting time between
being a guy accused of murder and playing.
Speaker 2: Superman Superman right right, right right? Remember the lady Peterson
right which was that again she was pregnant? Up, Scott Peterson,
Scott Peters, Scott Peter. When you said the case of her,
I was like, wait, Lacey didn't do anything right now.
Speaker 4: That was a good example of the every white professional
woman's biggest nightmare, because you've got the guy no prior
criminal history, You've got her with that picture. And in fact,
Wendy Walker, who is the inspiration for the Piper character,
I used to just get into fights with her because
she would put up a picture of Lacey sitting at
the Christmas party pregnant, and then I know that picture
picture right next to it of Scott in the car
with the blonde fluozy from Fresno, the massage therapist, And
that's every mother's worst.
Speaker 5: Yes, guess what, you know what, and you'll be able
to predict this. Though I absolutely forgot that he was
having an affair. What I remembered is that he had
all the maps and the boat.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I went and got the boat.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I tell the story.
Speaker 5: I made a joke in my first book about I
would rather go fishing with Scott Peterson than do something
or other.
Speaker 4: Okay, but this is what I would go to the gym.
Back then it was the Passing Athletic Club, and so
I would come down from the trial on the weekend
and I would be at the Athletic Club, and inevitably
somebody that I've known for years would say, well what
about this, And I'd say, well, no, actually, like you,
I would say no, there actually were not maps. It
was just this that he had had the location entered
in for his navigation. Then they'd say, well, what about
the cement anchors, And I'd say, well, actually they recovered
the cement anchors that there were not four of them,
he just made two. And they'd say, well, what about
the fact that he bought the insurance policy, And I'll say,
actually it was Lacey who bought the insurance policy, not him.
And then they say, well, I don't care about the facts.
I just I had an ex boyfriend like him, and
I knew that.
Speaker 2: I did to care about the facts, I would I am.
Speaker 6: I am a person who guys care about the facts.
Speaker 4: Well, I brought up on you, I would guess myself.
I never should have argued against cameras in the courtroom.
Speaker 2: Oh really.
Speaker 4: But when I got it transferred, I had a change
of venue, and I got the change of venue from Modesto.
I wanted to go to Orange County, and that I
thought that because I wanted a constituency for this guy.
Because you are adult, roous golfers. Where are they going
to find more of them than Orange County instead?
Speaker 2: True? Right, right to watch all the housewive ex There
was one in the Midwest that I've talked about on
Paint Patron go ahead.
Speaker 4: So instead they sent me to sam Matteo County, which
is the worst. It's a very conservative, it's next to
the Bay Area, so it was easy for the press
to get there.
Speaker 2: What's wrong with them?
Speaker 4: Oh my god? How about presumption of innocence? So they
then this is my favorite that and all it did
is it creates It ramped up the nature of the case.
I mean, it got to the point where people would
be commenting on the case. They hadn't been in the courtroom.
They didn't know what happened. I would see New York
commentators talking about the case who had absolutely no idea
what actually happened in the courtroom. Then there you get
stuff like there was at one point the judge said, well,
I'm going to take I'm going to allow the pool
camera to take forty five seconds of Scott Peterson and
the lawyers in the courtroom. So I tell Scott, okay,
just you know, look at whatever we're here. We're going
to do forty five seconds week.
Speaker 2: Don't for you. I did it out of nowhere.
Speaker 4: That would be a bad was this one?
Speaker 2: His hair was blonde?
Speaker 4: No, okay, but that was because the press was haunting him.
He couldn't go anywhere. I got it. So they keep
playing that same b roll, so everybody would act like
that was from the courtroom that day for the eight months,
and they go he never showed any emotion. I see
you more on. That was the same b roll of
forty five seconds every day.
Speaker 2: Right, God, I'm having flashbacks from the LA Courthouse when
we were working. I mean, no, I mean you have.
It's very interesting because you have a different you have
to show it, must drive you insane, which you have
to hear reporters report erroneous information.
Speaker 4: And I will tell you what's the most and I
and I hate to say it because some I know
and I'm very good friends with, but there's nothing worse
than the entertainment reporters who don't get it right. I mean,
in the celebrity cases, they really kind of draw it down.
I mean, I believe it or not. Somebody like Harvey
at tmscry Harvey actually is a lawyer. Harvey has been
around the criminal courts. He gets it right most of
the time. Some of the entertainment reporters just drive me,
like you say, I'm out of my mind.
Speaker 2: Nancy Grace, Nancy Grace, well, let me ask you a question.
Speaker 4: Do you know that Wendy I tell Wendy the worst
thing she ever did is she's the one who created Nancy.
Wendy started that show. And it happened because September eleventh,
Barbara Olson, who was on used to be my sparring
partner on Larry King back in the nineties and early
two thousand, so Barbara was coming to LA They were
Wendy want to do a show with Barbara and me?
And she ended up on one of the planes that
went down and died. And she was married to Ted
Olson at the time, who was the Solicitor General in
the Bush administration. So next up, the kind of second
tier blonde was a Nancy and a Star was born.
Speaker 2: Star was born because she just is so sensationalizing every
I mean I found her when was the top Mom,
the whole top mom and everything that is breaking news tonight.
I mean that's how she starts the show Casey Anthony, Yeah,
the Casey Anthony thing.
Speaker 4: Did you think her head was going to explode when
Casey was acquitted?
Speaker 2: God, I couldn't believe she got acquitted though they had.
Speaker 4: They really they really mistried that case. That's all I
can say.
Speaker 2: But who killed? Who killed? John Benet?
Speaker 4: I really, I really know, am perplexed by that case.
Have you seen the interview of the brother, not the.
Speaker 2: Interview of the brother. I know he's starting he's suing CBS.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you've got to see the one with doctor Phil
because it's there's.
Speaker 2: Something, there's something wrong, there's something Okay, then did you
see that either?
Speaker 4: I'd love to have some expert tell me what drug
he's on. But he's definitely medicated. This kid is on
happy pills to Base eleven.
Speaker 2: Well that I saw the footage. I watched the CBS,
the two part John Bennet whole thing. They showed the
footage of the that they're talking you know, the child
psychiatrist that's talking to him at the time, and it's
right after the kid got murdered her sister. His sister
got murdered, and it's like, how you doing. It's like,
I ain't doing fine. I'm good, I'm good. I just
go to school. Well does it bother you everything that's
going on and all the reports. Now, I just go
about my day. Like why you're just going about your day?
It's very strange. And you're right, he did kill her.
Well that that's what they said.
Speaker 6: Theory that makes any sense?
Speaker 4: How did he write that ransom note?
Speaker 2: He did? He did parents did so the.
Speaker 4: Parents covered up for him.
Speaker 2: I think Paris off.
Speaker 4: What I'm going to do that I think would be great.
Speaker 6: Is hire me Livewood.
Speaker 4: Lynwood, who is the Ramses libel lawyer, as a friend
of mine, was supposed to be in la I A
should have him come on this show for you to
ask those questions, because I think Lynn would debunk almost
all of them. Okay, okay, I think you need that.
Speaker 5: I think the parents my theory, which I already said
last week, and people got mad at me because I
didn't know enough about it.
Speaker 2: It's true. No, yeah, I'm not the lawyer, but I
think that the.
Speaker 5: Parents that the kid, the son did it, and the
parents were like felt I mean, they were horrified obviously,
and we're like, fuck, we lost our daughter. Now we're
going to lose our son, like he'll go to jail
for those of his life. We're not losing two kids
in one. And they probably felt almost a sense of
responsibility because this girl probably was like coddled from birth,
like the mommy's little darling, and they probably felt she
probably immediately felt some sense of like, oh my god,
what have I done? Like what happened was the now
hated the sister and killed her. He was having a
lady act was having pineapple. No, I don't think no,
I don't think he didn't molest her. She was eating pineapple.
He came downstairs.
Speaker 2: There was one of those heavy flashlights on the table,
and she came downstairs. She went to grab out of
his bowl the pineapple. He got pissed off. He took
the flashlight and hit her because they showed on the
show the exact you know, the break into the skull,
and they did a reenactment and it made the same
break on the fake.
Speaker 4: But now Lynn is suing on behalf of the Ramsey family.
Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, who's so.
Speaker 4: Would because I don't know. I don't know enough about
the facts of that case, but I'm going to speculate
that if there was any proof whatsoever, Lynn would not
be affirmatively suing. Ah, truth is a defense. I don't know.
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Because and then I mean there are and in the
underwear was could be DNA from the factory of the
DNA of the person making the underwear. Correct that there
was no DNA didn't match anybody in the house of
in the underwear. So that whole weird underwear DNA crap
was strange. And I think they staged it to make it.
Speaker 5: Look like a murder and they why would they stage
it because yeah, because they were protect like you said,
they're protecting the kid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate that.
Speaker 4: I think you I think I need to get linen here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got this out, I know and I don't.
Speaker 4: Want to it. If we deconstructed, are you going to
fall aparty?
Speaker 2: Gotta watch that?
Speaker 4: No, I want it.
Speaker 6: I would love to do I would love to hear.
Speaker 2: I mean, yes, it was on CBS, you can watch
it on iTunes. But and then the window that they
claimed the guy came out of and into had cobwebs
on the side. If you were going into that window
and creeping into the house, you'd clear out the cobwebs there.
You wouldn't have cobwebs on the side of the Windowsill.
Speaker 6: Let me ask you this.
Speaker 5: Okay that you get asked all the time, I'm sure,
but I have a real curiosity about this. If you
take on a case, and we will say, of course,
no cases in particular, but if your case is brought
to you and you feel the person's guilty, but of
course they deserve a trial, and they deserve a fair
trial and somebody to represent them. But what do you
I mean, what do you do if you're like, this
person is foresure guilty because evidence in your life.
Speaker 4: I never have that problem.
Speaker 2: You don't.
Speaker 4: My problem is what if they're foresure innocent? That's what
really gives me sleepless nights. That's really and what if
I haven't done everything to show that or to get
them out, That's really what because everybody, contrary to what
you say, in the system, nobody comes into a courtroom
and presumes anybody's innocent. I mean, the one the jurors
who actually tell the truth will say, well, if he's here, obviously,
whether there's smoke, there's fire. I mean, that's what everybody believes. Nobody.
The only person, if only person he gets presumption of
innocence is our that's it. Cops, right charge get a
presumption of innocence. No civilian gets a presumption of innocence.
Maybe a celebrity gets a presumption of innocence sometimes.
Speaker 5: Okay, but what if there is what if there's proof
of guilt? And now you've got to figure out Okay,
but I've got to come up with like circumstances.
Speaker 4: Archeology, say, take the worst crime, which is murder. Murder
is just one demarcation of a homicide. Homicide is the
killing of another. So I can know that the client
is good for the crime. And I've got I can
think of one case in particular that was tried three times.
There's clearly the guy's daughter died prosecutions. Theory was that
he threw her off the cliff.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I wanted to ask you about that one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And my theory always was, no, he didn't
throw off the cliff, but yes, they could convict him
of involuntary manslaughter for being you know, for letting the
kid get close enough to the edge of the cliff
at age four, whatever she wants. So that is not
that presents no problem to me. I don't think that
somebody should be convicted of an intentional murder with special
circumstances and get life on a case that's basically an
accident because.
Speaker 2: You were neglive that that could go either way.
Speaker 5: That's like the hot car, right, But what if you
have a case that you have to try, Like, what
if there's a person like raped and murdered somebody and
there's DNA.
Speaker 4: Well, generally, I'll tell you this, Generally the client and
I've been doing this for almost thirty five years, is
never going to admit they did it. I mean, so
that's point number one. Nobody ever people, as you say,
either a compartmentalize or do whatever. Second of if there's DNA,
all that tells you is that the person was there,
if the DNA was done right, And I don't know
if it's consensual, I don't know, and I guarantee you
in most sex cases the people claim that it's consensual.
So I certainly can't play god on that. And if
there is a situation where I think the evidence is overwhelming,
then it's my duty to convince them to try and
get a plea, try to get a.
Speaker 2: Ohkay, that's that's kind of what I wanted to know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I'm not I tell clients all the time,
I'm not here to let you go down on a
suicide mission. If I think that there's no way we
can prevail, I'm going to tell you that I'm going
to try and work something out. And that's what I do.
I mean, if you get a diagnosis, God forbid that
you've got a serious disease, the doctors and say, well,
you're an asshole. You should die anyway, No, he tries
to save you.
Speaker 2: Mark. Yes, Yeah, so interesting. I know how you've been
doing this how many years?
Speaker 4: Almost? Wow? Since nineteen eighty three?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 4: And I did it. My father did a performance, So
I grew up following my dad around my dad. When
I started knowing or having a memory, he was a
prosecutor and I would follow him the court. In fact,
right down the street in Glendale. He was head of
Glendale when I was a youngster, and I remember watching
him in court. He was kind of my idol. Plus,
I thought, this is the greatest job in the world.
He's a prosecutor. He goes in, you spend like two
and a half hours, then you take a two hour lunch,
then they've got donuts in the morning, and then you know,
they do something else and he's we're home by five o'clock.
I thought they raised is not exactly everyone.
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about you personally for a second, because
people hear all your opinions on everything, and I know
we could go years talking to you here. But because
I don't think the public knows a lot about the
person that you are, you know, I want to say
something because it's interesting you said that you followed your dad,
Because when I was in the court house and you're
defending us, your daughter was in there every like almost
as much as she could be every day with smiles,
all smiles, super friendly, like asking questions, interested, wanted.
Speaker 4: To know what were just waiting for bar results right
now and working for one of my closest friends in
the world in New York. She just graduated, graduated from Loyola,
my alma mater, and she's working for Ben Brosley.
Speaker 2: She's working for who is she working for?
Speaker 4: Ben bro Ben? Ben was the one actually, Ben and
Johnny Cochran tried Johnny's last case, which was Puff, which
was Puffy in New York, and Ben and I had
Michael together, and Ben most recently, I mean he's got
Ben's always got a great client list. He did Dominic
strass Khan, which is the guy who was accused of
raping the maid and he was the former head of
the International Monetary find I'm surprised you don't know this one.
You would have convicted him.
Speaker 2: In fact, the DA we're not, We're a superwoman. She's
got to take a break sleep. But so yeah, his
daughter just graduated at NYU law school and she's she
idolizes him like it was so why wouldn't she Look,
I know, I know my daughter's gonna hate her. She
already hates her dad. Now.
Speaker 4: No, Natalia actually likes Tenny a lot.
Speaker 2: She she stayed with Denny's his daughter. Yeah, Tenny Tenny.
Speaker 4: In fact, I named a restaurant after her.
Speaker 6: Yes, you have lost my name? What you need lost
my name?
Speaker 4: Unique name?
Speaker 6: Is she going to find a book that has the
name Tenny in it?
Speaker 4: I named a restaurant after which is better than a book.
Speaker 2: Downtown l A. And we're going to have a I'm
working with your wife. We're going to have a charity event.
Speaker 4: Good. Yeah, I wondered why we haven't done a endless ran.
We're going to steal my tap? What is that?
Speaker 6: My ta take over? I steal my sure up now
like steal my tap?
Speaker 4: Okay, well, that's one of my favorite pictures.
Speaker 2: That's one of my favorite pictures of all time.
Speaker 4: If you fast forward three hours after that, we were
both at a point two five finishing off. I won't
even give a plug, We'll just say a lot of out.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, it was the taq you. Adam was like,
as soon as the judge hits the gable, I'm out here.
I'm going to work and I'm like, I'm staying. I
want to hang out with garretgos and his team, And
so I walked back to the office. It was the
happiest day of my life. We were done with the case.
It was over, and he was like, let his whole
team there. He's like, let's go downstairs to Tenny. Let's
all celebrate. We ate, and and then I couldn't drive
and he's like, of course you're not driving. I said,
I'll call an uber. He's like, no, no, no, no,
there's a car, right, I mean, he's can I also
tell you this. Did you see your magazine? Did you
see the LA Weekly or whatever that's out there. There's
the picture of the article that's out right now. Okay, okay,
So I told your wife, this is incredible. When you
google my name, this was happening. When you google my name,
there's my picture comes up. But then because of this
whole Southwest fiasco bullshit, somebody like did a blog like
didn't believe my story and put up a picture of
like a chick like from Southwest Airlines uh stewardess and
behind her was a chick like passed out on the
floor and it was blurred out, so like insinuating that's me.
And I wouldn't care if I had two things, if
I didn't have kids, I don't want my kids to
see that and be and number two. I'm running an
alcohol company. Now I don't need to have that's the
second pickture sure that comes up, like fuck you dude.
So we try boobs no, and so we tried to
get that picture down and I was like, Dylan, what
are we doing? How? Why can't we get And then
I said, you know what, ask Mark? Just ask Mark,
just just have it ready to go when he walks in,
so don't waste his time. Say what do I do
about this? He calls me an hour later, Dylan the
guy over there at the one of the lackeys, and
he said, Mark said, I'll take care of it. I
was like, really, Two days later, I google it gone gone?
How did you do that? I was trying to look
for just now you can't find it. It's gone. God
bless you. I'm framing that that article out there that
passed you. I'm going to frame it for you as
a gift.
Speaker 6: How do you do that?
Speaker 2: It's just one phone? How do you do that? Mark?
Mark down? That's fucking awesome. I give oh, I have Oh,
you have to go.
Speaker 4: I have to go.
Speaker 2: Chris Brown's calling.
Speaker 4: That's why.
Speaker 2: Yeah, something happened. Thank you much.
Speaker 4: Youre awesome you.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Oh my god, I love him
so much. That was I get the chills. Like he's
isn't he the greatest? Adam loves him heart. You know
what I always think.
Speaker 5: I always feel like if something happened and I got
accused of murder, like you just think I'd be You'd
be so screwed if.
Speaker 2: You have to have a stupid public defender. Sad.
Speaker 5: But you need people like him because you need somebody
to like hairs yeah and takes.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I love that, he said, Like I what keeps me
up at night is not that they're guilty, but that
if they're innocent.
Speaker 6: I mean, you need that, you need more people.
Speaker 2: He's super bright. I know. I it's it makes me sad,
It really does to think about all the people out
there that can't, that don't have the garagoss of the world,
no defending them, and they're just going through their job
and getting done and clocking out at five o'clock and
don't give a shit. And then they're innocent people behind
bars or whatever. Yeah. And then the problem too is.
Speaker 6: That there's the public defenders, people who can't afford the mark.
Speaker 2: They It might not be that they don't care.
Speaker 5: But a lot of times it's the same thing with
like children, the foster care system, like child protecting.
Speaker 2: They're overloaded because it's.
Speaker 5: The government is paying for it, and they have like
too many cases right and they can't take their time
and just worry about getting Chris Brown off or just
worrying about getting guilty Scott Peterson. I know, Sorry, Mark,
we were talking about Peterson is where he always my friend?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we I talked to him. We had a whole
conversation at that and he said, listen, somebody said something.
It was out of his friends. Don't worry. He drank
the kool aid. You're not going to get anywhere with him.
Linnette like, well, because you can't.
Speaker 6: I don't think you can.
Speaker 2: This is why I told him.
Speaker 6: I was like, I know, we're not going to talk
about anything. You can't be like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that guy was guilty right right then. I think
they would have a case right now.
Speaker 5: But it's interesting to your back they'd be able to
say my lawyer went out and started saying like that
I was guilty.
Speaker 2: Like so he believed that he's guilty the whole No,
but it's interesting to hear what after the fact him continue.
Speaker 6: But what about this?
Speaker 2: But what about the boats? But what about that? And
you imagine how much he has an answer forever. Imagine
I mean, you see, I mean, he's a good looking guy,
but the bags, and I mean he looks so tired,
and he's on CNN like every five seconds talking about something.
You know, God bless Mark Arras. He's really a great
guy and his kids are wonderful, and thank.
Speaker 5: God there's somebody to defend Chris Brown think, I know,
I know, and he seems like a great guy.
Speaker 3: And the podcast Reasonable Doubt is honestly such an amazing podcast.
Speaker 2: I've got to put I've got it. You should listen.
Speaker 3: Him and Adam have a great kind of back and forth.
And you know, Mark tends to be a little more liberal,
whereas Adam tends to be a little more conservative. But
they always, somehow always tend to meet in the middle,
and they always seem to agree with each other, even
though you know, they're both kind of a little bit
off to each side of every issue. And it's it's
really interesting to have like Adam's kind of intuition mixed
with Mars just pure straight knowledge of the law and
law enforcement.
Speaker 5: It's an awesome.
Speaker 4: Boss.
Speaker 5: I love that he's funny, and I love that he
was like, Okay, white, you know, privileged or whatever.
Speaker 2: This is how you think it's so interesting?
Speaker 5: I'm sure I do have many biases that I wouldn't
even know that I have, right, you know, I mean,
I'm right.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to watch the show Notorious.
Speaker 4: It's awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems good. Yeah to check that out. That's nice.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 2: Thank you, guys, Thanks everybody. We love you, guys. I
love you guys. You're a parent. Now, don't f it
Speaker 6: Up, please, I'll cahol pleating sensibly