Speaker 1: All right, guys, welcome in. It's Friday, Rob Bino. Seven
games today, like one hundred and forty tomorrow. I'll never
I'll never understand it. I'll probably complain about it every
single time we do a show on Friday. The MAC
has decided to give up their Friday slot so they
can play on Martin Luther King Day, which basically means
they're gonna get lost in the shuffle tomorrow. They're not
going to be on Sunday, and then the entire league
is playing at the same time on Martin Luther King
Day two PM, not one of them on national TV. Again,
I'm sure they're smarter people, Rob in charge of this stuff,
but I figured with seven games, we're likely going to
get to them all. I could come on and vent
for sixty seconds that we only have seven tonight, but
seven we've got are all on National TV. They're pretty
good games.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as opposed to yesterday, where we had, you know,
we found one top twenty five game to talk about
and the rest were you know, if you don't have
an ESPN Plus subscription, you're not watching anything yesterday. Well
I shouldn't say that, because there was a Missouri Valley
game on there were a couple of things on us,
so I do, I do retract that, But tonight you're right,
the level of basketball maybe a little bit better. And
the Saturday cards are just ridiculous. I mean, going through
college football season is one thing with extensive cards, the
NCAA basketball season, men's basketball season. You probably multiply that
college football card times two. And we're going to do
a Saturday show now, Adam, and you know, we'll give
you the top six, we'll give you some top notch action,
maybe six to seven games, but there's no way we're
getting to one hundred and forty Saturdays.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that'll be It'll be interesting to see where
that conversation goes. So we should promo that now as
people are filing in. Tomorrow, Rob and I will be
on full on last call with Kelly tomorrow. I think
the following week Kelly's just piecing out. She's gonna be like, hey,
go ahead and just talk college hoop for an hour
like you do every other day. So I think that's
how it's gonna go. But tomorrow we're gonna stop in.
We'll be on last call with Kelly, probably takes last
second stuff about you know, the games about the tip off,
the bigger games, and then yeah, and then who knows,
maybe it'll just go to Saturday being a free for
all with one hundred and forty games and talking about
whatever you guys want to talk about in the chat. Rob.
You can always just get out and go to a
game too, you know, go go support your local teams.
I've been to so many games. I want to see
more of you guys at these games. I think it's
like attendance feels like it's down, just like across college who.
I think it's because games are so accessible now. Like
last night, I was, you know, there was another national
TV game last night. The game I was at Taos
and Charlie was actually a national television. Look at this
bobblehead that I got right here. The I mean, it
doesn't do it any justice. The detail on this thing
is incredible. Towsand gave these out last night. So I
was joking with the three man Weave guys this morning
that that's uh, that that's what turns my season around.
Speaker 2: Right there.
Speaker 1: Towson got a big win last night. They've reversed their
ower and four start to two and four in in
CIA play uh, one of the favorites in that league
going into the season, and that's what that's what Trigg
plans to do here. I went one and two last night.
I ruined our parlay with Avalen Christian, but great call
by you South Alabama. I ended up on that as
a four percent plate for clients as well, so those offset. Unfortunately,
I lost an overtime with UNBC three percent play, so
we got to get that back today. Seven games. I
guarantee you will hit them all on the show. Let's
start rob. I don't the Big Twelve usually doesn't play
Friday nights, at least I don't remember many Big Big
twelve games on Friday. But we've got one out in Lawrence,
Kansas tonight Baylor Kansas. Kansas coming off of the win
of their season over Iowa State, ended Iowa State's perfect season,
Baylor finally getting a Big Twelve win. Is this game
competitive or do you think Kansas has another blowout in
their sights?
Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting if you take their home road splits
in Big Twelve Conference plays so far, the offensive numbers
Kansas has put up at home are crazy good as
opposed to what they've done on the road. So another
home game, Bill self, I usually like to stick one
or two of these coaches quotes in during our sixty minutes.
I'll stick this one in quick. Bill self talking about
his team after that win against Iowa State where they
look dominant in that particular game off night Friowa State.
Great night for Kansas, but Bill self said, this is
more of what I had envisioned. If you play turned up,
you look twice as athletic as you do when you
don't play turned up, and we looked athletic k nobody's
gonna argue that they don't have players across that starting five.
They've got them, and they show you what they're capable of,
especially on this home floor. The question is that game
was only three nights ago, Tuesday night, right, and that
game we know was a one maximum effort, complete motivational
spot for KU. Do they bring that against Baylor, who
finally got off the zero win total in Big Twelve
play by playing Oklahoma State defenseless Oklahoma State and Baylor
racked up ninety four. For Baylor, you know, problem here
with the handicap A little bit at him, or at
least problematic towards the handicap is the Dan Skillings junior
situation didn't play last game, may not play here obviously
a key part of the rotation on this team. But
you know they've got scores as well right now, and
when you look at Baylor, it would seem to me
that there's a couple of advantages here in this game
where maybe they can keep this thing close, and I
would somewhat lean that direction that they keep it closer
than where this number is currently running off to six
and a half, seven and a half, eight, eight and
a half now. In one spot, Baylor hits the offensive
glass like every Baylor team usually does, very very well.
Kansas doesn't defensive rebound all that well. Baylor had played
three really really good defenses inside the Big Twelve prior
to Oklahoma State. They finally broke out. You know, their
point totals were low against TCU, against Iowa State, against
Houston somewhat explainable. However, you know, Kansas played that same
Iowa State team, They played that same TCU team. Those
were the two home games that they played in league.
I know it's overtime, but the TCU game got the
two hundred and four offensive offense and more offense in
the Iowa State game, of course, eighty four to sixty three.
My initial take here on this game, Adam, is it
should be high scoring. Money has followed suit there one
to fifty three and a half up to one fifty
five and a half. I do like the Baylor guard play.
I do like the fact that Baylor gets to the
offensive glass. And I kind of like the fact that
Kansas I don't know that we'll say. And it's interesting
when you hear self with that quote. I guess it
depends what side of the defence you stand on. Do
you stand on the side of the fence where that's
the game that turns the season around for KU, or
do you stand on the side of the fence that
says this is a spot play, somewhat of a letdown.
Gave everything they had against Iowa State, and even though
they're a good team, maybe can't get back to that
level against Baylor team that's hungry for a win too.
I think a match up relatively well here. Both teams
probably need to shoot threes in this game when you
go over their numbers on two point defense. Both pretty
good inside the arc, not going to come easy in there,
but I see quick pace. I see points. Baylor's free
throw rate is incredible. Kansas has a tendency to put
people on the foul line. I guess if I was
going to play side, I would lean Baylor have not
made that play. But more than that, I think one
fifty five and a half is geta before these two.
Kansas has shown you at home they're going to rack
up eighty plus. I think Baylor can go with him
here tonight. So again total i'd leaned over side, I'd
lean Baylor haven't played either. So don't get too too
carried away with what I say. Just trying to point
you in my thought process.
Speaker 1: Well, Rob, I hope that Kansas money continues to come in,
because that that is I I'm with you. I think
it's I thought it was kind of too many points
already once it got up to like seven and a half.
If this gets up to like nine nine and a half,
I think I'll probably jump in with Baylor. So Tuesday,
my only play on Tuesday for clients was Baylor against
Oklahoma State, an easy win. Going excuse me. Going into
that game, I kind of I look, you know, I realized, actually,
my my buddy CT kind of brought brought it to
my attention. He's Baylor alum, Baylor guy. I'm hoping that
he can figure out if Skillings is playing tonight or not.
That would be very helpful, that would be helpful to Baylor.
But even if he's not, I thought Baylor you know,
did fine without him on Tuesday. One of the things
that really sort of stuck out to me going into
Tuesday's game was the three teams Baylor opened with in
conference play are all just like very scrappy defensive teams,
specifically the guards. You know, TCU, they might not get
the credit as like this great defensive team, but those
guards defend as good as any guards in the league.
They they just don't have as good of a rim presence,
as good of a post defense, in my opinion. But
their guards are very you know, very capable. You know,
go ask go ask Florida's backcourt how that went. Even
Kansas felt like TCU I should have won that game.
I mean they had them pretty much dead to right.
So you look at Baylor, they had to open with TCU,
Iowa State, Houston, like find a tougher three game stretch
from a defensive standpoint than that. In the Big twelve.
I mean, that's that's as tough as it gets, having
to turn around and then play Iowa State, and then
of course Kelvin Samson's Houston team who's always gonna lock
you down. On Tuesday, they get to go out to
Stillwater and play in Oklahoma State team that doesn't defend
even close to how those the first three defend rob
ninety four points in a blowout win. You talked about
Kansas's defensive rebounding again, I think there's path to points
here for Baylor. I don't know if they get to
ninety four, but I think it's gonna be easier for
them to score even without skillings than it was in
the first three games. So for me that I think
that all translates to this game at least being competitive.
And if it's competitive and this can get up to
nine or nine and a half, I think I think
you have to like Baylor a little bit. I see
Steve Duke says, you know, if this continues to steam,
he'd be okay with nine. I'm kind of with you, Steve.
I think nine is the spot where I would consider
jumping in for a potential client play with Baylor. But
either way don't. I don't know if I'll find something
better than that on this light, you know, seven game board,
so I'll circle back. That might be my parlay leg
We're only gonna do a two team er today. I
think if we hit the two teamer we'll be close
to back to even. So I'll take a rain check
for now, but I'm certainly looking at Baylor. Who knows,
maybe it'll continue to steam while we're on the show
and we'll get a better number forty minutes from.
Speaker 2: Now, and I would think just to close it up.
And I'll add to the thought of the three defenses
that Baylor's played the first three games, had played the
first three games of the Big twelve season to the
TCU point. They did it again to BYU. The other night.
TCU went to BYU is plus twelve and a half
and TCU held BYU twenty point eight from the three
point line to only forty three percent from the two
point line in the Marriotte Center. They were right in
that game. They covered fairly easily, seventy six seventy BYUS
not used to being held to seventy six. So TCU
very good defensively. Houston very good defensively. Iowa State very
good defensively, and then you get Oklahoma State, who is
miserable defensively, and you break loose for ninety four. Confidence
builder could be Kansas's abilities lie somewhere in between on
the defensive end. Again, I don't see this total coming
backward anytime soon. If you do, like over, you probably
play now again national televised game, Nationally televised game, one
fifty five and a half probably grows to one fifty
seven by tip off. I would think public money on
a big game like this comes in on over, So
that would be my thought process there. I think there's
a way to points here for both sides. Both starting
five is very very capable offensively, and there's some there's
some dents in the armor on both sides where Deep
is concerned and if the pace gets up, which it
should self feels very comfortable at this point letting his
team loose. I think you probably find yourself up and
over one fifty five and a half.
Speaker 1: Any letdown potential here for Kansas or no, because this
is like a big standalone national TV game.
Speaker 2: It's a it's a good well, let's say this, let's
put it in these terms, they can't get as high
as they were for the Iowa State game. For this game,
it might not be a letdown, but you're not going
to get the same motivation, exactly the same if we're
dealing in terms of numerical stuff, if we're dealing with
a game where they gave one hundred percent effort against
Iowa State. Even if they come to play here tonight
because it's home, because it's standalone, et cetera, et cetera,
probably ninety percent at best. I don't think you'll get
the same. The desire to be Iowa State was huge,
and they got it done by twenty one, just to
show you how fired up Kansas was for that game,
so they could be fired up. I just don't know
there'll be the same level as it was against Iowa State.
Speaker 1: Bayou says, come to us a Southeastern He's talking Southeastern
Louisiana right there. Need some company in the stands by,
you know, I will. So, Like a couple of years ago,
I was on the way home from Texas, I like
moved my flights around to create a four hour layover
in New Orleans, took a cab to Bayou's house. He
drove us to the two lane Wichita State game. We
went to the game. Devlin Field House, great building. He
brought me back to the airport and I flew home
and I missed the crawfish boil that he had going,
which was very disappointing. I wish my flight was longer,
but by you yeah, you know, you know we'll do
that at some point. Still have never been to Hammond.
I think is where Southeast Louisiana is. All right, Rob,
I gotta go fixer, he says. I took Creighton money
line last night at Pickham. I recalled Triggs informing us
of out his friend that follows Providence and how dysfunctional
they are. And let's go to the check let's go
to the text thread right now. I texted him this
is this guy's as die hard of a Providence Friars
basketball guy as you will find. And texted him this morning.
I said, what do you think about tonight? He goes, Now,
this might be a hint of sarcasm. He goes, didn't
even know we were playing tonight, to be honest, mentally
checked out until Kim is gone. I said, you know
it's a home game too, He said, yeah, I don't
see us winning that game. The reset after the fifteen
day layoff, put everything they had in the Saint John's
and Yukon for seventy seven minutes, collapse against Yukon and
now it's just a free fall. Man Providence then shows
up earlier this week, no Jason, no Edwards, kind of scratched.
Do we even know what I think it was an
illness or undisclosed. I don't even know if they gave
it a reason. But you know, showing up without Jason Edwards,
your leading scorer seventeen point two points per game, get
beat by Villano, Well, I don't know it, does it?
It feels too reactive slash, too easy to just take
Creighton here. They still have to come across the country.
Rob Man, I don't know what to do with this one,
but it doesn't seem good in friar Land right now.
Speaker 2: Well, from a mindset standpoint, I think obviously we're talking
about Creighton, right Greg McDermott's team has shown a little
and you know it's funny in the Big East, Adam,
I know that you've made reference to the show has
made reference to the Big East being down this year,
and we've seen a couple of these teams that are
generally up in the standing Xavier Creighton, mainly those two
that started kind of weak, had had runs. Xavier had
a run. I remember us talking about it, and then
the night whatever game it was we were talking about,
they got destroyed. Creighton had a run all of a sudden,
next game they get destroyed. But I think Greg mcder
is picking up the pieces pretty well here, Schwartz and
Josh Dix, the kid from Iowa pretty good offensive weaponry.
To me, Providence is actually just a one way ticket here.
They're not playing enough defense. All they do is play offense.
And they're good at offense. I mean, regardless of whether
there's they're dysfunctional or not, they're good at offense. And
in this game, you're staring at a total of one
sixty two. One sixty two and a half oddsmakers are
getting wise to the fact that Providence games have to
be lined very, very high where total is concerned. Creighton
might be a little too good defensively to allow it
to get over that number, but I'm not so sure
of that. I mean, when we're dealing in this a
line switch of Providence minus one, the Creighton minus one.
Oddsmakers are basically telling us or the market, which has
said at sixty two sixty two and a half, is
telling us you need eighty one a side an eighty
two to eighty one game to get paid if you're
betting over. It's very hard for me to bet against
that scenario because I feel like Providence gets theirs no
matter what, and they give up that number no matter what.
So again, I don't know that the number is high
enough yet to back me off of Providence totals. I'm
not a big believer in Creighton, but I think when
you make the cross country, is this their second trip east?
I feel like they've been here once already to the
East coast. If I take a quick look at Creighton's
schedule away at Xavier, which obviously is an Ohio games,
so yeah, away at Seaton Halloway, at Villanova, Right, they
were here in the New Jersey Pennsylvania area already. So
this is the second trip back east in a very
very short period of time. We've talked about further travel
in Big ten in Conference USA, certain ACC League action,
we have to go three time zones. This is only two,
but still it's a lot of back and forth for Creighton.
I think they probably get off the plane ready for
this one. If Providence is it is it, then they
then they probably get to win. I'm just looking ahead
in the schedule, Xavier. They go back home after this,
fly here just for this game and turn around and
go home. Kind of a crazy trip, but certainly when
McDermott will have his team up for it. I'm not
playing the game. I would take Creighton if I had to,
but I think the total is better more in my
target range one sixty two and a half. Maybe fire
away on over there until Providence proves differently.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, I get the fans are not
thrilled with Kim English, you know, I get that. You know,
I even kind of reported on this show earlier in
the season that maybe there was some rifts in the
locker room, and all of that could be true, But
like this, I don't know that part of me thinks
that that's legit, and then part of me rob thinks
it's Friday at the the I know it's the AMP,
but you know, the dunk is is always what I'll
call this building. Of course, it used to be Dunk
and Donuts Center now it's the Amika Mutual Pavilion, a
far worse name, but so what happens when you you know,
change sponsors. So we're calling it the AMP now. It's
always been a great atmosphere. You know, this is still
a team that a couple of weeks ago, Rob went
into Madison Square Garden and won against a good Saint
John's team and had Yukon beat, I mean really had
Yukon beat in that game ends up going to overtime.
You know, that was a game Providence led by double
digits for a lot of the game, and so you
know where a couple of games removed from that. The
last two efforts have been horrendous from Providence on the
road at Xavier, gave up ninety seven points. You talked
about the defense being poor, that would be an understatement,
and the defense has been an issue all year. And
then on Tuesday night, Really like that final score is
kind of deceiving. It really was never that close. Villanova
got out to an early lead. Yeah, really that six
point final was kind of as close as Providence ever got.
So that's you know, they really got kind of killed
the last two games. You know, you didn't have to
travel that Nova game was at home on Tuesday. Like
part of me thinks that Providence might, you know, drum
up an effort here on a Friday night at home.
The fan base, unless they're totally out, that's always a
great atmosphere. Like there, I think they're going to show
up here. And then to your point, Creighton a one
off trip across the country. It's not like Creighton's been
a great team either, right, Like that's the other thing.
I mean, how confident are you and Creighton? What has
Creighton done really to like make you think like, hey,
let's let's back this team. Needing to win a game
traveling across country. That that's you know. They they kind
of barely beat Georgetown, got crushed by Saint John's. The
Nova win is okay, scored sixty fifty four points against
Seaton Hall. So it's not Creighton's been great either. So
again I'm kind of I'm kind of torn there. I
think this game could go one of a couple of ways.
My number slightly leans to great if that matters to anymore.
Speaker 2: Just additional thought, Adam, because Creighton is coming off an
overtime game. You check their minutes, the minutes were you
know Greg McDermott had a nine man rotation in that game.
Fourteen minutes are better, excuse me, ten minutes are better
for everybody, the key guys obviously extensive minutes, and then
you fly across country after that. You just wonder in
a tournament setting, these back to backs that we often
talk about are three and three days where there'll be
tired legs. At least you're in the same place here.
You do have time off, but it's still it's extended
minutes in a night game on a plane a day
and a half later, flying across country here towards there,
two days later here to Providence. I feel like total
is the right way to go for those that you
know like these team totals. The way I do Cretons
is that way. Eighty one and a half, Providences is
at eighty and a half. Again, both numbers that are
achievable on both sides. So I'll probably figure out a
way to play an over in this game somehow, some way.
Just don't have it sit in stone right now?
Speaker 1: All right? It looks like I was wondering why we
don't have as many viewers and don't have as many questions,
and it looks like Twitter is down, which I guess
is probably a good time to well, you know, I
think people know at this point. But obviously you can
always access this on demand live and on demand, and
we're always live over in the wager Talk YouTube channel,
probably the best place to watch it in terms of
I think, you know, the comment's always working and you
know that's I guess that's my promo for if you
miss the sh show, any part of the show, you
can always access that on the wager Talk YouTube channel.
And then while we're doing the promos, Rob and I
still have our three day college basketball package. It's both
of us for three days every college play we make.
Think we did okay on that last weekend. I know
I had a two and oh Sunday, and I think
you kind of think you've been kind of carrying us,
certainly yesterday or two days ago with a great day.
But anyway, all you know, if you like the show
and you like the info you're getting here, we do
that just in written for Some would argue that it's
even better. You don't have to hear me talk, you
can just read, which is you know, pleasing to some people. Rob,
we had a by who's giving you props? Yesterday said
Veno nailed it yesterday. William and Mary said he would
get to nine. No, said they would get to eighty nine.
No problem, they dropped ninety seven. So a shout out
to you from Bayou Bets right there, the tribe getting
it done.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take a couple seconds here, Adam, just to
tell a quick story about the life of a better
sports advisory. Guys. So I'm sitting there last night and
I'm having a good college basketball season. I'm watching one
thing on the television and on the iPhone. I have
the Georgia Southern game against Old Dominion last night. Knowing
that I have the Georgia Southern team total over eighty
four and a half. First half wasn't as high scoring
as it could have been for them, But second half
they come out absolutely on fire, and they get to
the point where they have eighty two and it's a
game that's tied at eighty two. Eventually ODU goes up
eighty four eighty two. There's about nine seconds left and
I'm like, oh my god, they're gonna leave me at
the altar here. But Georgia Southern hits a three with
about four seconds left to go ahead eighty five to
eighty four, eventually score eighty seven points. And I look
at the other two games that I have William and
Mary team total over wins South Dakota team total over.
They've got like sixty, which seventeen minutes left in the
second half, and I'm like, I'm gonna have another three
and oh day great until I go to the wager
talk back end and realize that Georgia Southern was a
team total that I played myself personally as a better
but didn't release the clients. I released another bet that
I made, which was Seattle team totals. I'm like, oh, well,
now I'm only two and oh now I gotta still
root for the three and oh and Seattle fell short.
So I get a two one day for clients. But
obviously the other Georgia Southern game clients will be mad
at me now for telling that story, and why didn't
you give us Georgia Southern? But we bet so many games, guys.
I mean, I'll just talk for myself. I have so
much action going on it, and I sometimes I forget
which client action which of my action? Did I release?
Two clients and wound up two and one again. It's
been a phenomenal as long as around promo here. I
think the week Adam right now is thirteen and three.
College Hoop this week seven days have been fantastic. Since
December one, been fantastic. So go ahead and take a
shot at the double the CBB Firepower. I'm trying to
remember the name of that package. And for those who
want to just check into it a little deeper, I
know Adam and I both commented. We were directed to
the comment section yesterday by Kelly, who said there was
somebody inquiring about it, so we laid it out there
for you how to get a hold of either the
three day package or the full season package.
Speaker 1: Buy you like your line, leave me at the altar.
He said, that's a great line. Yeah, that is great.
A couple things, so my buddy texted me said, Edwards
for Providence has a planner for shitus planner. It's like
a foot thing. So that's something I mean that doesn't
if it's this is like just new, that's something that
doesn't necessarily go away. Even though he can be lazy
on defense, you know, he's still he still is their
best scorer or one of them. I don't know that
I'm dying to play Providence without him if he's out again.
So and Fixer. Just one more thing. The Saturday show
starts next week. This week, Rob and I are going
to be on Last Call with Kelly and whoever else
is on that show, So we'll have a brief spot
this week, and then I think we take over next
week once once football kind of moves out of the way.
Speaker 2: It's a guest spot with Kelly.
Speaker 1: Guest spot with Kelly, which means I'll I better get
it done in like ninety seconds or I'll be like
get you know, there's got me no time to ramble.
Speaker 2: The Vaudeville Caine.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, Yeah, Yeah, I can't even get the can't
even get the team names out in ninety seconds. But yeah,
especially if it's a it's a mouthful like Loyola Chicago,
which is what we're going to talk about next. So
you know, like part of me is, you know, I
still think there's gonna be a time Rob to jump
in with Loyal in Chicago. Like they're five and thirteen.
I know they're bad, They're they're they're so far off
of what anyone expected. This team to be coming into
this year. I don't know that you could find one
person prior to the season that was like, Loyal in
Chicago is going to be five and thirteen. They're gonna
lose by games. They're gonna be a you know, not
even a five hundred team in conference, but but that's
what they are to this point. That being said, you know,
they they went off and knocked off Santa Clara, They
beat Rhode Island early in conference play. They played this
Dayton team really tough a couple of weeks ago at home.
You know, there is I think you would have covered.
So I'm pretty sure if you if you played late
on Tuesday, that if you played after the line move,
you would have covered with Loyal in Chicago. They probably
if you played early, you might have lost at seven
and a half, but I think most people probably had eight,
which at least pushed and then that George Mason took
a bunch of money. So if you played late, you
would have cashed with them. So against the number, I'm
kind of like, now I'm showing a ton of value
on Loyal Chicago game in and game out. The problem
is I still can't figure out if I just you
know if like I still don't really know what to
do because there's probably value there on a number, but like, Rob,
are they just this bad? Like can you just not
trust this team? Do you want any part of the
Ramblers at this point?
Speaker 2: It's hard because the points are the way they've been
covering lately. The points are a little bit enticing, right.
Loyola is now four and two against the spread last six.
They're getting huge numbers, just like they are tonight. Plus
nine and a half that Rhode Island is a cover.
Plus fifteen and a half against Santa Clara is a cover.
Like you said, the seven and a half that they
took against Dayton that was a home game, but they
play them within two and then George Mason plus eleven
and a half win again. In between they lose to
Davis And the one is frustrating probably or not frustrating,
But the one that would make you think twice is
the GW game where they're taking thirteen and a half
on the road and just get launched into orbit by
thirty five one on one sixty six. Is Dayton capable
of one on one to sixty six? I doubt it.
They're not. George Washington offensively. Does the two point win
narrow escape by Dayton at Loyola somewhat open Anthony Grant's
team's eyes to Loyola, you know, I mean, if they
see them coming this time, then perhaps they give you
a pretty good effort. But my honestly, my opinion is,
you know, we beat them there, we didn't play very good.
We got them at home.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I just don't know that you get the full focus
out of Dayton, and in this price range you need
full focus to win by sixteen points is a lot.
Loyola pretty competitive, Like I mentioned, as of late, they
have a difficult time scoring, which is really a problem
here if you're only gonna get mid sixties. I do
this with totals all the time. From a mathematical standpoint,
I'm just gonna lay out a number Loyola gets to
sixty five tonight. If they get to sixty five, Dayton
needs to get to eighty one. How achievable is eighty
one for Dayton? I have to ask myself that question
if I want to play Loyola, is it possible? Yeah?
Is it likely out of Dayton? I think it's more
likely that Dayton gets to like the seventy seven to
seventy nine range, which means you've got to pin Loyola
down to sixty three or less. It becomes a really,
really tough call. In this instance, I would like to
take the fifteen and a half. Think and Drew Valentine's
team is making a little bit of a push. At
least it's a competitive push. Last six games, I say
four and two ats. Look at the totals real quick.
Here game totals four Loyola over the number one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,
eight and two last ten over for Loyola. If you're
looking for a route to go, that could be one
to look at, simply because Dayton, because of the nature
and the perception of their team, they get priced in
very reasonable total ranges all the time. And this one's
been bent down to eight one forty two and a half.
So if you just used like the examples I gave you,
you could skim by here one forty two and a half.
I probably won't play Adam because I just don't have
I can't speak with enough conviction, but I'll say this.
The people who got eighteen and a half right off
the top of the opening number eighteen and a half,
I probably could have been there with that. Eighteen and
a half is a little bit different than fifteen and
a half.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely would have probably taken that opening number
as well. The problem other problem here, Rob is like
both of these teams have like tons of injuries, so
you know you have to like you really have to.
Not only do you have to factor Loyola Chicago be
nothing like your preseason projection was on the team. Now
you have to factor injuries in, but you have to
do it on both sides. I think when you do
factor the injuries in, which are somewhat offsetting in my
opinion for both teams, I would say I would say
the injuries actually probably hurt Loyal Chicago a little bit
more because they're just not as deep of a team
as Dayton. They're also on the road here. I still
think it's like a pretty big ask to for Dayton
to win the game by as many as they would
need to cover this number, considering these two teams played
a very competitive game just a couple of weeks ago
now Friday Nights Dayton. I got to go to that
arena a couple of years back for a Saint Bonaventure
game on a Friday night. That's as good of an
atmosphere as you're gonna find. I don't think Dayton fans
care who's playing who's not. They love the Friday night
Get the Friday night games there are. You know, when
you get a National TV Friday night game at ud Arena,
it's a big deal. They'll they'll be out in full force.
So full marks for home court. But yeah, I'm with you.
I think I lean Loyola Chicago, but on that earlier number,
I don't think I would want to play it now
where the number is gone to. All right, let's move
on the the Oh Bay. You says, yeah, we got
to hit Kent State Toledo. What a game. The Mac
getting some love tonight. Not my Mac because they decided
they want to play on Martin Luther King Day and
they gave up Friday Friday Sunday this week, which is
a very poor decision in my opinion. But the other
MAC has a couple of games, so we'll hit both
of those back to back. First one the bigger of
the two, Kent State Toledo. Brian Power and I went
to this very game a couple of years back and
got to meet Kent States in arena DJ. Who is
the man? I forget I think his last name. I
think it's DJ Smills Rob and he's awesome. He's as
good of an arena DJ as you'll ever find. Guy
just killed it the whole time. He'll probably be there tonight.
Hype in the crowd for this game six thirty pm,
Toledo on the road at Kent State. Do you have
an angle in this one?
Speaker 2: Well, the initial angle was we want to play total over,
but the odds makers are wise to people like me,
and they open it up at one seventy one and
a half. Now again, it won seventy one and a half.
Sounds like a really, really tall ask, but with these
two teams, it's not. You know, Adam Rob Senderoff has
been here at Kent for a long time. He's never
had an offense even in this stratosphere, as far as
tempo is concerned, as far as field goal percentage is concerned.
All that being said, he's never had a defense this
bad since he's been there. Now, that combo top notch offense,
lower tier defense just breeds overs Toledo. You can make
this same case for I had the Toledo game over
the total the other that I think they played, Ohio, you,
it was never in doubt that game was going over
from the opening tip. I feel like Toledo got to
one hundred in that game pretty sure without looking up
the final score here of that one. But it was easy.
This one could be just as easy. I'm somebody who
comes on here a lot and says, coaches like to
fix what went wrong the first time around. They haven't
had a first time around. But as far as fixing
what's going wrong, there's no fixing these two teams on
the defensive end at this point in time. They are
what they are there. Their profile is their profile. They're
going to be very high scoring teams, and they're going
to give up a lot of buckets and they're going
to play fast. How you don't get to over one
sixty nine and a half, I don't know, But people
are pushing this thing down at this point in time.
We're not to the stage of the season yet. Adam
or I would say, like, let's say ten days into February,
two weeks into February, where conference standings and tournament seedings
are important, and maybe you get a little more effort
out of your kids on the defensive side of the floor.
We're not to that point yet. We're still at the
point where we are who we are, and we're gonna
roll the balls out and play it the way we
are And I think if you have that here in
this game should be as entertaining as any game out there.
Kent State has climbed to a five and a half
point favorite. I think I can see it simply because
Toledo is that bad on defense. Kent State again, no
great shakes on defense, They're in that lower tier with them.
But five and a half maybe I could let but
I'm way more interested in pushing back against this very
very slight total movement seventy one and a half opener
sixty nine and a half now in a lot of places.
I know it varies, but if you're betting games, you
should be shopping for the best number as well. I
think this one probably gets over at them. Like I say,
I think this it may not be the best brand
name team, but as far as Mid American schools are going,
it's one of the best brand named games. It's gonna
be as entertaining as any from an offensive standpoint.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, very interesting game to me here, I
felt so my number kind of came out right right
on the nose, which is which is actually pretty much
across the board today. And I aside aside from that
Loyal or Chicago game, all my numbers are very close
to what the books make it, which is not that unreasonable.
And a seven games slate where they're all on national TV,
I don't think you're going to have like tremendous line
discrepancies on a night like that. But as far as
like you know, I so I went to I went
to see Toledo earlier this year and it was in
a stretch of early games where they kept running into
teams playing zone and they their offense really struggled when
forced to shoot from the outside. Now they have figured
that out a little bit because down the road they
ended up torching Oakland, who plays his zone. And and
not that Kent State's really gonna zone them, but Kent
State will force them to shoot outside like that. That's
that's one thing Kent State does particularly well is defend
the paint. They also rebound well, so there's not gonna
be many second you know, second chance points, So you
would have to think that Toledo needs to hit some
outside shots to stay in this game. Even improving that department,
still just thirty three percent from three point range. It's like,
you know, right inside to write about two hundredth nationally,
So that's not great. My concern for Toledo here is
they get crushed on the glass. Kent State's a very
good rebounding team. Toledo not a good rebounding team. I
kind of think you're onto something with the over at Again,
it's hard to believe that Toledo gets a ton of
stops in this game. I think this sets up nicely
for what Kent State wants to do offensively. And then
of course, like if DJ Smills has the crowd hyped
up like that, Brian Power and I had a great
time at Kent State, they will that place will get
after it on a Friday night as well. It's a
great atmosphere. Kent State historically has been awesome at home.
I know last year they dropped a couple, but prior
to last year when Kent State is good, rob I
think going into last year they lost that crazy game
that James Madison hit a buzzer beater like early in
the season, and it snapped a very long home court
win stream. But Kent State was notably down last year.
When this team is good at home, there's good that's
as good as a home court edges are gonna find.
So I lean toward Kent State here. I didn't play it,
but the more we talk about the game, the more
like the flashes to get it done.
Speaker 2: And to your point about three point shooting accuracy in
this game, Adam Kent a good three point shooting team.
Toledo it Kent and a far above average three point
shooting team. Toledo a good three point shooting team, but
the three point defense is horrendous and the transition defense
isn't good. Toledo shows you a couple of good numbers
defensively in league so far, except that it was against
two of the worst offenses in the league. When you know,
I always use comp games, and I'm not going to
go through them now for everybody, But if you use
comp games to what this one is going to be,
just for instance, take Kent Buffalo, et cetera. These games
are offensive to a very high degree. So I'll take
a look at over one sixty nine and a half
in that game, for sure.
Speaker 1: What was it? Press, hope you're on the Kent side. Well,
I won't be on the other side. I don't know
if I'll be on Kent with you, but I won't
be on the other side that is Kent or Kent
State or pass for me. Okay, Chat wants to go
out West. We do have a standalone degenerate special game tonight,
rob Ino out in Boise, Idaho. Colorado State hitting the
road to take on Boise. Very interesting Matt up here
kind of like you know, but neither team has a
ton of athletes. It's almost like, you know, I look
to to maybe a contrast of styles when Boise plays
a team that's super athletic, that's not like really Colorado
State both are like kind of content slowing it down.
So I don't know, what do you think here are
these two teams kind of similar? And how do you
think that plays out?
Speaker 2: For this one? I'll tell you where I'm kind of
shocked at him. Honestly, where these two teams are concerned
is the amount of points that Boise is giving up
as of late you go through this Mountain West schedule
since they got there and again to your point, Leon
Rice Generally, a methodical, defensive minded team usually has a
good shooting team, but it's not a team that wants
to get up and down. It's not a team that
gives up a ton on the defensive end. Some of
that is due to controlled pace, et cetera, et cetera.
But how about let's just throw the triple over time
away and see where that game landed at the end
of regulation against San Diego State. There's seventy five seventy
five a one fifty game in regulation. Come back, give
up seventy five more to Grand Canyon. Come back, give
up ninety three to Utah State and get destroyed by
twenty five. Come back and play UNLV the other night. UNLV,
we know got a little bit healthier, but still you're
sitting there with a game that lands at the end
of regulation at one forty eight. This stuff isn't common
for Boise State. At some point, I think you have
to step in front of that train and play it
under with this team. Now, somebody agrees, because we're seeing
the push toward the under. I see some flashing going
on right now as we speak. One thirty nine and
a half's out there. Still someone forty and a half's
but I think when you take the combination and actually
it's it can't This isn't totally factual because San Diego
State doesn't want to run either. But the point I'm
going to make is that Colorado State being extremely slow
combined with Boise State being extremely slow, there's no tempo
on the other side here. A couple of the games
I mentioned, Utah State will tempo you and shoot lights out,
UNLV will tempo you with Josh Passner in a full
complement of players. Colorado State we're finding out they're not
going to tempo you. But man, they shoot it. They
shoot it really, really well. And if Boise doesn't play
enough defense here, the points could be worth taking. Boise
State's defense. To me, Adam is on shaky ground right now,
and you know, going up to Boise he's never been
the easiest place to go. But this Colorado State team
kind of fits the mold of one that could hang
within the number. Pace isn't going to get away from them.
They shoot it better than Boise State does, at least
statistically at this point in time, and Boise's been susceptible
to giving up points. So I think I could make
a slight case here for Colorado State. Again, I probably
won't play because I don't have a firm I don't understand.
Let's put it this way, and I said to start
this thing. The one thing that amazes me is that
Boise State is giving up so much on the defensive
end in four Mountain West games. If that continues, I
guess I just have to take it for what it's worth.
And they're not as good defensively under Leon Rice this year.
But I don't know. I think Colorado State plus five
and a half the way they shoot the basketball could
be a look.
Speaker 1: Here, yeah, I mean Colorado State's been cold lately, but
like even even with the cold shooting the last couple
of games for Colorado State, like there's still sixth nationally
and three point percentage on the season forty percent. I mean,
you know we've noted ali for Oakmanesh and what he's
done there. You know, even though it's not Nico Medvet anymore,
for Oakmanesh is his sort of wh like considered to
be what was considered to be one of the better
assistant coaches out there, takes over great floor spacer. You know,
he's getting that he's generating a lot of open looks
from three up until a couple of games ago, they
every single one of them was going in. Will be
interested to see Kyle Jorgenson's been out. I'm sure that
has something to do with the offensive dip for Colorado State.
Right like he is, you know, there's a lot of options,
Like I don't think like he's like by far the
best scorer on the team. He just happens to be
the leading scorer at thirteen point eight points per game.
But there's a lot of guys that can hit shots.
That being said, having not had him is not ideal.
But Boise State's been dealing with believe jaybon you can
and did not play against UNLV and Boise he can't
really score either. So I think I definitely lean toward
the under. I'd be kind of surprised if both of
these teams just go nuts offensively tonight or figure it
out offensively. And yeah, I mean I think I trust
Colorado State's offense more. Two offenses that have been slumping,
two offenses dealing with guys out. I think I just
trust Colorado State more to like re heat back up right,
Like they had a couple of games where they were
down shooting the ball. I think if there was gonna
be one team I trust a little more, it's Colorado
State to get the offense going, and then that's the
case rob you're catching points. That's not the worst situation
to be in, right there. Yeah, like Bayou says, like
College State hasn't scored more than seventy in the last
seven games. Well, part of it is they do like
to play slower, so they're obviously like it's not like
they're a tempo type team. But yeah, they've been cold.
They've been ice cold since the start of Mountain West play.
So again you're going on a little bit of a hunch,
I suppose. But if they can get it going offensively,
and you've kind of pointed out Boise hasn't been the
best defensive team or certainly not as good as typical
Boise defenses are, yeah, maybe the points make some sense.
There will be an interesting game. This is an interesting
move to me. So I didn't have a huge opinion
on this one because I was right in line with
the number. But it looks like Ohio, Ohio is taking
a bunch of money to the point where I'm now
I'm now at least tempted to look at the ball
State side at the current numbers. Is are you do
you have your screen up? Is it five and a half?
Is that what we're looking at in Ohio? Ball State
right now?
Speaker 2: Looking at Ohio you yeah, five. Well, there's a lot
of four and a half still out there, but it
does vary between four and a half five and a half.
Speaker 1: You know, at Ball state's been super disappointing. I really
thought that this was going to be like a team
that could potentially surprise in this conference this year. Rob
they brought in a kid by the name of Devin
Barnes who was someone that was at Charlton State as
a freshman, had a great season. I really liked him
on that Tarleton State team. He goes to U TEP
last year and I didn't didn't have a bad year there.
I was kind of surprised to see him in the
portal again, and I was kind of surprised to see
him sort of, you know, you teped to Ball State.
That's not really I don't know that. That struck me
odd a little bit because it can't kind of feels
like a lateral type move. But again, I felt like
you know he would be great for this team. He
really hasn't been, only eight point eight points per game.
They play a weird rotation of guys. So I've wanted
to buy in with ball State at a couple of
different times this year. Every time I seem to do it,
I'm on the wrong side. They can't score. But again,
here they are five and a half. Seems like almost
like too good to pass up. How do you see
this when Ball State Ohio?
Speaker 2: I find it hard not to play the Ohio team
total over in this game, Adam. No matter where the
game lands, as far as finals score is concerned, I
think I'll just give it a recheck right here and now.
I think I saw seventy five and a half earlier,
and I do see seventy five and a half now.
To get to seventy six ball State, the only team
that didn't get the seventy six against them in league
play was Eastern Michigan that got the seventy four. Eastern
Michigan is not a good offensive team, nowhere near the
class of Ohio U Ohio. You's coming up off the
big loss to Toledo, so I'd expect a little bit
of motivation here. Whether or not they can win the
game by six or not doesn't really interest me. It
is a contrast in tempo's or hiore. You wants to
get up and down, ball State wants to go slow.
Ball State is at home, and you know my rule
of thumb, I think home can dictate tempo a little
more than half the game. In this instance, I don't
know that Ball State can dictate it more than half
the game. And part of the reason being that if
they get behind and you have to go into chase mode,
your tempo changes. To me, I'll hire you will come
out motivated just off of a loss earlier. This week
it's Toledo. They see an opponent that they can beat
on the road. It's a winnable game. I'm going to
ask them to get to seventy six. I mean, they
could win this game seventy seven to seventy two or
whatever and still not cover. But it's the best grouping
on the floor. The best group on the floor is
the Ohio You offense. They've been scoring points at a
high rate all season. In fact, the only time they
didn't reach this number in league play is against Eastern
Michigan and ken Eastern Michigan allows the defensive team slow team,
or excuse me, allows you offensive team slow team. So
I think I would try to hire you over seventy
five and a half.
Speaker 1: Here, I'm gonna go with a hot take here. I
think ball State wins their first conference game tonight. I
think maybe that total gets there, But I think ball
State's gonna pull the upset here, and this is gonna
be my parlay leg. If I can get five, that's great.
I don't know. I will rely on Rob. Give me
as I'm giving my kind of wrap up here, give
me the market price. I mean, if we have to
go four and a half, it's fine. I did see
it was getting to five five and a half. I
don't know if someone played back at it. I certainly
at five and a half. Very much like ball State,
they're a scratchy team.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Rob, I'm just gonna say now we have
to be careful with identifying places, so I won't. But
there are multiple outlets with five and a half. There
are multiple outlets with five, there are multiple outlets with
There's less outlets with four and a half than any
of those three numbers. So you can get five and
a half at them, there's no problem getting five and
a half.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I mean, that's what I'm kind of looking at.
As soon as we get off of at five and
a half, still there, it may become a client play
for me. Listen, ball State at some point, some of
these shots are going to go in. Some of those
guys on this ball State roster have wildly underperformed. Offensively,
they are a they're scrappy defensively, they force turnovers. I
just think it's a tough matchup for Ohio, especially if
Ohio maybe takes them lightly. You know, Rob, this is
an Ohio team that just you know, they had the
big win over Buffalo. Yes, they turn around and lose
to Toledo, but they're still on the road, second second
straight road game this week. I think it's gonna be
a good game. And so because there's not many other
good options, like I guess, you know, I'll probably kick
the wrong one, you know how it goes. I'm kind
of right there with Baylor plus the points, ball State
plus the points. But I pulled up the MAC standings,
I saw ball State winless down there, and I said,
you know what, National TV they're showing up tonight this
is the night they're gonna get that first league win.
So even if they don't, if they can keep it
within five and a half, we're good. So that that's
gonna be my parlay lay ball State plus five and
a half, Rob, do you know what you want to
put in the parlay here?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I just came to a decision at it because
it was between two It's where we started this conversation
way back fifty five minutes ago. And then the one
game that we didn't discuss whatsoever, which is De Paul Marquette,
and I really want to play De Paul minus three
and a half because it's it's as much of a
fade against Marquette as it would be a play on DePaul.
But there's certain things when you watch DePaul play. I
watched the Connecticut game and a couple others pieces of
within the last ten days, and they show promise. Shaka
Smarts team shows zero promise at this point in time.
They don't shoot it whatsoever. Shaka Smart has said, it's
just a young team that has to go through it,
et cetera, et cetera. They've pounded to Paul recently. I
think De Paul's lost six in a row. There. There's
some throwback jerseys concerned here tonight. So if you like
what Terry Cummings used to wear, or Mark McGuire, some
of the great Rod Strickland, de Paul will probably be
dressed to your liking tonight. I want to play DePaul.
All that said, I'm gonna land in the with the
parlay on Kansas Baylor. Over one fifty five and a
half to me, that just gets up and down two
teams that are freed of excellent Big twelve defenses. Here
they can do what they want offensively. Self is showing
us now the ticket to greatness for Kansas is pace
and offensive place, and so I think that'll continue. I
think Baylor will be very more than happy, as they
showed against Oklahoma State to break out of the grips
of these really good Houston's and Iowa States and TCUs
that they played defensively. So give me over one fifty
five and a half in the KU Baylor games and
the Marquee game. But we'll give that one a whirl.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And while we I guess we can finish up
the I'll recap the parlay at the end of the show.
I guess we can finish up the show kind of
just like you know, with some final thoughts about De
Paul Marquette. Marquette's another team where I just really don't
know what to do with this team at this point
because they're obviously not what they what I imagine they
would be coming into the season. But you know, I'm
over here saying to myself, did the has the pendulum
swung too far?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Is does Marquette have anything any bounce back in the tank?
Are they going to string together some good results? And
it makes it very difficult to bet a Markette game.
It makes it very difficult to lay points against Marquette,
even though I think De Paul is the better team.
So yeah, it's I'm kind of with you. I like
I wanted bet to Paul. I think they're better. I've
been high on The Paul coming into the year, like
I thought this might be the year. Someone in the
chat's like, well, yeah, they're not. They're not shaving points anymore,
they're not throwing games. That certainly helps that twenty nine
other teams are shaving for Yeah, that certainly helps. But
you know, did the did the market move too far?
Is this is this too many to lay. I think
that's like the question you have to ask yourself.
Speaker 2: Here real quick, we're up against the time. I'll just
give you a couple of things that turned me on
to do Paul and against Marquette, Shaka Smart commenting on
his team. When you go on the road, you cannot
have a complete lullan physicality or aggressiveness, and most importantly,
your connection as a team to go and accomplish something
very specific in the moment, I read those things, and
I'm thinking, not as physical as he likes, not as
aggressive as he likes, and there's no connection or there's
limited connection between the five that are on the floor,
so cohesiveness could be an issue. And it makes you
just not want Marquette or possibly to fade them with
a DePaul team that actually shows some promise in those
three areas. And Quick again made the joke last night
I got to that Kennesaw f I U over just
in time the other night as Kennesaw State's leading scorer
gets in the net of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, I like, I think I even referenced
Camie and Shell like in a breakdown like and then
the next day his name was in there too. Yeah,
it's it's wild stuff. Uh d Cerna makes a really
good point. He points out marquetch travel having to go
to Saint John's midwee, you know, and then and then
turn around. They likely stop home and then it's a
quick trip to Chicago. Yeah, it doesn't doesn't seem like
the greatest spot for them either. So probably not what
I'm gonna touch, but but an interesting conversation. So we
have settled on the two teamer for tonight. We need
to hit this two team or to get the parlay
of the show, parlay of the day back. Oh so
Garth pops and he says, got here late work last night.
Have a great weekend, Garth, thank you so much for
the donation. You didn't have to request a game because
we hit every single game, so we touched on all
seven games for tonight's card. We've settled on these two
picks for the parlay ball State plus five and a
half and then Vino is gonna go Kansas Baylor over
one fifty five and a half. We'll call it the
traditional plus two sixty there on. That would put us
back in the plus for this season. We will see
you guys tomorrow on last call. I think with Kelly
Stewart still the host till football is done, and then
she's like, I got better things to do. So yeah,
we'll see you there on eleven o'clock eleven am tomorrow
morning to talk some of the big games, and then
we'll be back on this show Monday morning, ten am Eastern.
Have a great weekend, let's cash and tickets. We'll see
you guys soon