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Speaker 1: All right, guys, welcome in. It's Friday, Rob Bino. Seven

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games today, like one hundred and forty tomorrow. I'll never

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I'll never understand it. I'll probably complain about it every

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single time we do a show on Friday. The MAC

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has decided to give up their Friday slot so they

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can play on Martin Luther King Day, which basically means

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they're gonna get lost in the shuffle tomorrow. They're not

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going to be on Sunday, and then the entire league

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is playing at the same time on Martin Luther King

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Day two PM, not one of them on national TV. Again,

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I'm sure they're smarter people, Rob in charge of this stuff,

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but I figured with seven games, we're likely going to

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get to them all. I could come on and vent

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for sixty seconds that we only have seven tonight, but

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seven we've got are all on National TV. They're pretty

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good games.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, as opposed to yesterday, where we had, you know,

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we found one top twenty five game to talk about

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and the rest were you know, if you don't have

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an ESPN Plus subscription, you're not watching anything yesterday. Well

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I shouldn't say that, because there was a Missouri Valley

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game on there were a couple of things on us,

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so I do, I do retract that, But tonight you're right,

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the level of basketball maybe a little bit better. And

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the Saturday cards are just ridiculous. I mean, going through

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college football season is one thing with extensive cards, the

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NCAA basketball season, men's basketball season. You probably multiply that

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college football card times two. And we're going to do

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a Saturday show now, Adam, and you know, we'll give

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you the top six, we'll give you some top notch action,

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maybe six to seven games, but there's no way we're

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getting to one hundred and forty Saturdays.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that'll be It'll be interesting to see where

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that conversation goes. So we should promo that now as

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people are filing in. Tomorrow, Rob and I will be

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on full on last call with Kelly tomorrow. I think

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the following week Kelly's just piecing out. She's gonna be like, hey,

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go ahead and just talk college hoop for an hour

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like you do every other day. So I think that's

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how it's gonna go. But tomorrow we're gonna stop in.

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We'll be on last call with Kelly, probably takes last

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second stuff about you know, the games about the tip off,

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the bigger games, and then yeah, and then who knows,

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maybe it'll just go to Saturday being a free for

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all with one hundred and forty games and talking about

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whatever you guys want to talk about in the chat. Rob.

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You can always just get out and go to a

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game too, you know, go go support your local teams.

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I've been to so many games. I want to see

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more of you guys at these games. I think it's

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like attendance feels like it's down, just like across college who.

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I think it's because games are so accessible now. Like

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last night, I was, you know, there was another national

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TV game last night. The game I was at Taos

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and Charlie was actually a national television. Look at this

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bobblehead that I got right here. The I mean, it

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doesn't do it any justice. The detail on this thing

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is incredible. Towsand gave these out last night. So I

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was joking with the three man Weave guys this morning

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that that's uh, that that's what turns my season around.

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Speaker 2: Right there.

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Speaker 1: Towson got a big win last night. They've reversed their

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ower and four start to two and four in in

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CIA play uh, one of the favorites in that league

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going into the season, and that's what that's what Trigg

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plans to do here. I went one and two last night.

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I ruined our parlay with Avalen Christian, but great call

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by you South Alabama. I ended up on that as

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a four percent plate for clients as well, so those offset. Unfortunately,

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I lost an overtime with UNBC three percent play, so

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we got to get that back today. Seven games. I

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guarantee you will hit them all on the show. Let's

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start rob. I don't the Big Twelve usually doesn't play

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Friday nights, at least I don't remember many Big Big

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twelve games on Friday. But we've got one out in Lawrence,

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Kansas tonight Baylor Kansas. Kansas coming off of the win

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of their season over Iowa State, ended Iowa State's perfect season,

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Baylor finally getting a Big Twelve win. Is this game

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competitive or do you think Kansas has another blowout in

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their sights?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting if you take their home road splits

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in Big Twelve Conference plays so far, the offensive numbers

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Kansas has put up at home are crazy good as

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opposed to what they've done on the road. So another

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home game, Bill self, I usually like to stick one

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or two of these coaches quotes in during our sixty minutes.

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I'll stick this one in quick. Bill self talking about

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his team after that win against Iowa State where they

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look dominant in that particular game off night Friowa State.

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Great night for Kansas, but Bill self said, this is

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more of what I had envisioned. If you play turned up,

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you look twice as athletic as you do when you

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don't play turned up, and we looked athletic k nobody's

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gonna argue that they don't have players across that starting five.

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They've got them, and they show you what they're capable of,

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especially on this home floor. The question is that game

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was only three nights ago, Tuesday night, right, and that

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game we know was a one maximum effort, complete motivational

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spot for KU. Do they bring that against Baylor, who

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finally got off the zero win total in Big Twelve

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play by playing Oklahoma State defenseless Oklahoma State and Baylor

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racked up ninety four. For Baylor, you know, problem here

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with the handicap A little bit at him, or at

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least problematic towards the handicap is the Dan Skillings junior

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situation didn't play last game, may not play here obviously

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a key part of the rotation on this team. But

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you know they've got scores as well right now, and

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when you look at Baylor, it would seem to me

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that there's a couple of advantages here in this game

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where maybe they can keep this thing close, and I

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would somewhat lean that direction that they keep it closer

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than where this number is currently running off to six

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and a half, seven and a half, eight, eight and

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a half now. In one spot, Baylor hits the offensive

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glass like every Baylor team usually does, very very well.

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Kansas doesn't defensive rebound all that well. Baylor had played

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three really really good defenses inside the Big Twelve prior

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to Oklahoma State. They finally broke out. You know, their

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point totals were low against TCU, against Iowa State, against

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Houston somewhat explainable. However, you know, Kansas played that same

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Iowa State team, They played that same TCU team. Those

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were the two home games that they played in league.

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I know it's overtime, but the TCU game got the

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two hundred and four offensive offense and more offense in

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the Iowa State game, of course, eighty four to sixty three.

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should be high scoring. Money has followed suit there one

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to fifty three and a half up to one fifty

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five and a half. I do like the Baylor guard play.

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I do like the fact that Baylor gets to the

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offensive glass. And I kind of like the fact that

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Kansas I don't know that we'll say. And it's interesting

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when you hear self with that quote. I guess it

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depends what side of the defence you stand on. Do

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you stand on the side of the fence where that's

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the game that turns the season around for KU, or

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do you stand on the side of the fence that

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says this is a spot play, somewhat of a letdown.

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Gave everything they had against Iowa State, and even though

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they're a good team, maybe can't get back to that

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level against Baylor team that's hungry for a win too.

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I think a match up relatively well here. Both teams

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probably need to shoot threes in this game when you

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go over their numbers on two point defense. Both pretty

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good inside the arc, not going to come easy in there,

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but I see quick pace. I see points. Baylor's free

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throw rate is incredible. Kansas has a tendency to put

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people on the foul line. I guess if I was

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going to play side, I would lean Baylor have not

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made that play. But more than that, I think one

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fifty five and a half is geta before these two.

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Kansas has shown you at home they're going to rack

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up eighty plus. I think Baylor can go with him

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here tonight. So again total i'd leaned over side, I'd

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lean Baylor haven't played either. So don't get too too

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carried away with what I say. Just trying to point

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you in my thought process.

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Speaker 1: Well, Rob, I hope that Kansas money continues to come in,

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because that that is I I'm with you. I think

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it's I thought it was kind of too many points

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already once it got up to like seven and a half.

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If this gets up to like nine nine and a half,

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I think I'll probably jump in with Baylor. So Tuesday,

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my only play on Tuesday for clients was Baylor against

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Oklahoma State, an easy win. Going excuse me. Going into

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that game, I kind of I look, you know, I realized, actually,

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my my buddy CT kind of brought brought it to

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my attention. He's Baylor alum, Baylor guy. I'm hoping that

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he can figure out if Skillings is playing tonight or not.

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But even if he's not, I thought Baylor you know,

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did fine without him on Tuesday. One of the things

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that really sort of stuck out to me going into

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Tuesday's game was the three teams Baylor opened with in

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conference play are all just like very scrappy defensive teams,

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specifically the guards. You know, TCU, they might not get

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the credit as like this great defensive team, but those

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guards defend as good as any guards in the league.

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They they just don't have as good of a rim presence,

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as good of a post defense, in my opinion. But

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their guards are very you know, very capable. You know,

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go ask go ask Florida's backcourt how that went. Even

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Kansas felt like TCU I should have won that game.

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I mean they had them pretty much dead to right.

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Iowa State, Houston, like find a tougher three game stretch

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from a defensive standpoint than that. In the Big twelve.

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to turn around and then play Iowa State, and then

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of course Kelvin Samson's Houston team who's always gonna lock

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you down. On Tuesday, they get to go out to

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Stillwater and play in Oklahoma State team that doesn't defend

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even close to how those the first three defend rob

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ninety four points in a blowout win. You talked about

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Kansas's defensive rebounding again, I think there's path to points

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here for Baylor. I don't know if they get to

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ninety four, but I think it's gonna be easier for

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them to score even without skillings than it was in

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the first three games. So for me that I think

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that all translates to this game at least being competitive.

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nine or nine and a half, I think I think

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you have to like Baylor a little bit. I see

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he'd be okay with nine. I'm kind of with you, Steve.

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I think nine is the spot where I would consider

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jumping in for a potential client play with Baylor. But

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either way don't. I don't know if I'll find something

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better than that on this light, you know, seven game board,

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so I'll circle back. That might be my parlay leg

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We're only gonna do a two team er today. I

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think if we hit the two teamer we'll be close

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to back to even. So I'll take a rain check

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for now, but I'm certainly looking at Baylor. Who knows,

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maybe it'll continue to steam while we're on the show

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and we'll get a better number forty minutes from.

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Speaker 2: Now, and I would think just to close it up.

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And I'll add to the thought of the three defenses

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that Baylor's played the first three games, had played the

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first three games of the Big twelve season to the

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TCU point. They did it again to BYU. The other night.

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TCU went to BYU is plus twelve and a half

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and TCU held BYU twenty point eight from the three

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point line to only forty three percent from the two

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point line in the Marriotte Center. They were right in

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that game. They covered fairly easily, seventy six seventy BYUS

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not used to being held to seventy six. So TCU

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very good defensively. Houston very good defensively. Iowa State very

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good defensively, and then you get Oklahoma State, who is

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miserable defensively, and you break loose for ninety four. Confidence

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builder could be Kansas's abilities lie somewhere in between on

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the defensive end. Again, I don't see this total coming

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backward anytime soon. If you do, like over, you probably

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play now again national televised game, Nationally televised game, one

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fifty five and a half probably grows to one fifty

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seven by tip off. I would think public money on

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a big game like this comes in on over, So

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that would be my thought process there. I think there's

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a way to points here for both sides. Both starting

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five is very very capable offensively, and there's some there's

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some dents in the armor on both sides where Deep

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is concerned and if the pace gets up, which it

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should self feels very comfortable at this point letting his

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team loose. I think you probably find yourself up and

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over one fifty five and a half.

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Speaker 1: Any letdown potential here for Kansas or no, because this

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is like a big standalone national TV game.

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Speaker 2: It's a it's a good well, let's say this, let's

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put it in these terms, they can't get as high

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as they were for the Iowa State game. For this game,

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it might not be a letdown, but you're not going

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to get the same motivation, exactly the same if we're

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dealing in terms of numerical stuff, if we're dealing with

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a game where they gave one hundred percent effort against

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Iowa State. Even if they come to play here tonight

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because it's home, because it's standalone, et cetera, et cetera,

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probably ninety percent at best. I don't think you'll get

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the same. The desire to be Iowa State was huge,

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and they got it done by twenty one, just to

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show you how fired up Kansas was for that game,

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so they could be fired up. I just don't know

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there'll be the same level as it was against Iowa State.

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Speaker 1: Bayou says, come to us a Southeastern He's talking Southeastern

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Louisiana right there. Need some company in the stands by,

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you know, I will. So, Like a couple of years ago,

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I was on the way home from Texas, I like

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moved my flights around to create a four hour layover

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in New Orleans, took a cab to Bayou's house. He

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drove us to the two lane Wichita State game. We

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went to the game. Devlin Field House, great building. He

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brought me back to the airport and I flew home

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and I missed the crawfish boil that he had going,

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which was very disappointing. I wish my flight was longer,

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but by you yeah, you know, you know we'll do

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that at some point. Still have never been to Hammond.

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I think is where Southeast Louisiana is. All right, Rob,

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I gotta go fixer, he says. I took Creighton money

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line last night at Pickham. I recalled Triggs informing us

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of out his friend that follows Providence and how dysfunctional

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they are. And let's go to the check let's go

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to the text thread right now. I texted him this

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is this guy's as die hard of a Providence Friars

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basketball guy as you will find. And texted him this morning.

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I said, what do you think about tonight? He goes, Now,

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this might be a hint of sarcasm. He goes, didn't

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even know we were playing tonight, to be honest, mentally

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checked out until Kim is gone. I said, you know

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it's a home game too, He said, yeah, I don't

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see us winning that game. The reset after the fifteen

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day layoff, put everything they had in the Saint John's

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and Yukon for seventy seven minutes, collapse against Yukon and

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now it's just a free fall. Man Providence then shows

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up earlier this week, no Jason, no Edwards, kind of scratched.

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Do we even know what I think it was an

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illness or undisclosed. I don't even know if they gave

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it a reason. But you know, showing up without Jason Edwards,

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your leading scorer seventeen point two points per game, get

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beat by Villano, Well, I don't know it, does it?

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It feels too reactive slash, too easy to just take

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Creighton here. They still have to come across the country.

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Rob Man, I don't know what to do with this one,

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but it doesn't seem good in friar Land right now.

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Speaker 2: Well, from a mindset standpoint, I think obviously we're talking

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about Creighton, right Greg McDermott's team has shown a little

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and you know it's funny in the Big East, Adam,

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I know that you've made reference to the show has

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made reference to the Big East being down this year,

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and we've seen a couple of these teams that are

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generally up in the standing Xavier Creighton, mainly those two

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that started kind of weak, had had runs. Xavier had

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a run. I remember us talking about it, and then

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the night whatever game it was we were talking about,

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they got destroyed. Creighton had a run all of a sudden,

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next game they get destroyed. But I think Greg mcder

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is picking up the pieces pretty well here, Schwartz and

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Josh Dix, the kid from Iowa pretty good offensive weaponry.

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To me, Providence is actually just a one way ticket here.

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They're not playing enough defense. All they do is play offense.

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And they're good at offense. I mean, regardless of whether

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there's they're dysfunctional or not, they're good at offense. And

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in this game, you're staring at a total of one

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sixty two. One sixty two and a half oddsmakers are

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getting wise to the fact that Providence games have to

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be lined very, very high where total is concerned. Creighton

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might be a little too good defensively to allow it

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to get over that number, but I'm not so sure

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of that. I mean, when we're dealing in this a

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line switch of Providence minus one, the Creighton minus one.

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Oddsmakers are basically telling us or the market, which has

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said at sixty two sixty two and a half, is

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telling us you need eighty one a side an eighty

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two to eighty one game to get paid if you're

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betting over. It's very hard for me to bet against

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that scenario because I feel like Providence gets theirs no

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matter what, and they give up that number no matter what.

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So again, I don't know that the number is high

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enough yet to back me off of Providence totals. I'm

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not a big believer in Creighton, but I think when

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you make the cross country, is this their second trip east?

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I feel like they've been here once already to the

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East coast. If I take a quick look at Creighton's

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schedule away at Xavier, which obviously is an Ohio games,

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so yeah, away at Seaton Halloway, at Villanova, Right, they

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were here in the New Jersey Pennsylvania area already. So

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this is the second trip back east in a very

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very short period of time. We've talked about further travel

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in Big ten in Conference USA, certain ACC League action,

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we have to go three time zones. This is only two,

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but still it's a lot of back and forth for Creighton.

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I think they probably get off the plane ready for

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this one. If Providence is it is it, then they

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then they probably get to win. I'm just looking ahead

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in the schedule, Xavier. They go back home after this,

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fly here just for this game and turn around and

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go home. Kind of a crazy trip, but certainly when

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McDermott will have his team up for it. I'm not

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playing the game. I would take Creighton if I had to,

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but I think the total is better more in my

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target range one sixty two and a half. Maybe fire

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away on over there until Providence proves differently.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, I get the fans are not

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thrilled with Kim English, you know, I get that. You know,

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I even kind of reported on this show earlier in

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the season that maybe there was some rifts in the

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locker room, and all of that could be true, But

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like this, I don't know that part of me thinks

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that that's legit, and then part of me rob thinks

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it's Friday at the the I know it's the AMP,

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but you know, the dunk is is always what I'll

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call this building. Of course, it used to be Dunk

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and Donuts Center now it's the Amika Mutual Pavilion, a

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far worse name, but so what happens when you you know,

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change sponsors. So we're calling it the AMP now. It's

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always been a great atmosphere. You know, this is still

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a team that a couple of weeks ago, Rob went

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into Madison Square Garden and won against a good Saint

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John's team and had Yukon beat, I mean really had

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Yukon beat in that game ends up going to overtime.

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You know, that was a game Providence led by double

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digits for a lot of the game, and so you

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know where a couple of games removed from that. The

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last two efforts have been horrendous from Providence on the

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road at Xavier, gave up ninety seven points. You talked

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about the defense being poor, that would be an understatement,

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and the defense has been an issue all year. And

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then on Tuesday night, Really like that final score is

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kind of deceiving. It really was never that close. Villanova

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got out to an early lead. Yeah, really that six

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point final was kind of as close as Providence ever got.

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So that's you know, they really got kind of killed

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the last two games. You know, you didn't have to

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travel that Nova game was at home on Tuesday. Like

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part of me thinks that Providence might, you know, drum

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up an effort here on a Friday night at home.

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The fan base, unless they're totally out, that's always a

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great atmosphere. Like there, I think they're going to show

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up here. And then to your point, Creighton a one

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off trip across the country. It's not like Creighton's been

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a great team either, right, Like that's the other thing.

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I mean, how confident are you and Creighton? What has

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Creighton done really to like make you think like, hey,

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let's let's back this team. Needing to win a game

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traveling across country. That that's you know. They they kind

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of barely beat Georgetown, got crushed by Saint John's. The

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Nova win is okay, scored sixty fifty four points against

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Seaton Hall. So it's not Creighton's been great either. So

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again I'm kind of I'm kind of torn there. I

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think this game could go one of a couple of ways.

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My number slightly leans to great if that matters to anymore.

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Speaker 2: Just additional thought, Adam, because Creighton is coming off an

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overtime game. You check their minutes, the minutes were you

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know Greg McDermott had a nine man rotation in that game.

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Fourteen minutes are better, excuse me, ten minutes are better

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for everybody, the key guys obviously extensive minutes, and then

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you fly across country after that. You just wonder in

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a tournament setting, these back to backs that we often

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talk about are three and three days where there'll be

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tired legs. At least you're in the same place here.

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You do have time off, but it's still it's extended

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minutes in a night game on a plane a day

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and a half later, flying across country here towards there,

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two days later here to Providence. I feel like total

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is the right way to go for those that you

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know like these team totals. The way I do Cretons

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is that way. Eighty one and a half, Providences is

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at eighty and a half. Again, both numbers that are

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achievable on both sides. So I'll probably figure out a

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way to play an over in this game somehow, some way.

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Just don't have it sit in stone right now?

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Speaker 1: All right? It looks like I was wondering why we

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don't have as many viewers and don't have as many questions,

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and it looks like Twitter is down, which I guess

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is probably a good time to well, you know, I

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think people know at this point. But obviously you can

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always access this on demand live and on demand, and

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we're always live over in the wager Talk YouTube channel,

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probably the best place to watch it in terms of

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I think, you know, the comment's always working and you

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know that's I guess that's my promo for if you

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miss the sh show, any part of the show, you

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can always access that on the wager Talk YouTube channel.

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And then while we're doing the promos, Rob and I

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still have our three day college basketball package. It's both

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of us for three days every college play we make.

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Think we did okay on that last weekend. I know

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I had a two and oh Sunday, and I think

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you kind of think you've been kind of carrying us,

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certainly yesterday or two days ago with a great day.

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But anyway, all you know, if you like the show

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and you like the info you're getting here, we do

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that just in written for Some would argue that it's

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even better. You don't have to hear me talk, you

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can just read, which is you know, pleasing to some people. Rob,

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we had a by who's giving you props? Yesterday said

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Veno nailed it yesterday. William and Mary said he would

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get to nine. No, said they would get to eighty nine.

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No problem, they dropped ninety seven. So a shout out

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to you from Bayou Bets right there, the tribe getting

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it done.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna take a couple seconds here, Adam, just to

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tell a quick story about the life of a better

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sports advisory. Guys. So I'm sitting there last night and

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I'm having a good college basketball season. I'm watching one

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thing on the television and on the iPhone. I have

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the Georgia Southern game against Old Dominion last night. Knowing

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that I have the Georgia Southern team total over eighty

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four and a half. First half wasn't as high scoring

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as it could have been for them, But second half

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they come out absolutely on fire, and they get to

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the point where they have eighty two and it's a

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game that's tied at eighty two. Eventually ODU goes up

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eighty four eighty two. There's about nine seconds left and

473
00:25:47,599 --> 00:25:49,279
I'm like, oh my god, they're gonna leave me at

474
00:25:49,319 --> 00:25:52,839
the altar here. But Georgia Southern hits a three with

475
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,319
about four seconds left to go ahead eighty five to

476
00:25:55,359 --> 00:26:00,279
eighty four, eventually score eighty seven points. And I look

477
00:26:00,319 --> 00:26:02,599
at the other two games that I have William and

478
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:07,400
Mary team total over wins South Dakota team total over.

479
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,200
They've got like sixty, which seventeen minutes left in the

480
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,559
second half, and I'm like, I'm gonna have another three

481
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:17,480
and oh day great until I go to the wager

482
00:26:17,599 --> 00:26:22,559
talk back end and realize that Georgia Southern was a

483
00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:26,079
team total that I played myself personally as a better

484
00:26:26,799 --> 00:26:29,799
but didn't release the clients. I released another bet that

485
00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:32,440
I made, which was Seattle team totals. I'm like, oh, well,

486
00:26:32,599 --> 00:26:34,559
now I'm only two and oh now I gotta still

487
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,839
root for the three and oh and Seattle fell short.

488
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,480
So I get a two one day for clients. But

489
00:26:38,519 --> 00:26:41,119
obviously the other Georgia Southern game clients will be mad

490
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:42,759
at me now for telling that story, and why didn't

491
00:26:42,759 --> 00:26:46,880
you give us Georgia Southern? But we bet so many games, guys.

492
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,200
I mean, I'll just talk for myself. I have so

493
00:26:49,319 --> 00:26:51,680
much action going on it, and I sometimes I forget

494
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,720
which client action which of my action? Did I release?

495
00:26:55,839 --> 00:26:58,920
Two clients and wound up two and one again. It's

496
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,160
been a phenomenal as long as around promo here. I

497
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,599
think the week Adam right now is thirteen and three.

498
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,799
College Hoop this week seven days have been fantastic. Since

499
00:27:07,839 --> 00:27:10,319
December one, been fantastic. So go ahead and take a

500
00:27:10,319 --> 00:27:14,960
shot at the double the CBB Firepower. I'm trying to

501
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,200
remember the name of that package. And for those who

502
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,559
want to just check into it a little deeper, I

503
00:27:20,599 --> 00:27:23,480
know Adam and I both commented. We were directed to

504
00:27:23,519 --> 00:27:25,960
the comment section yesterday by Kelly, who said there was

505
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,640
somebody inquiring about it, so we laid it out there

506
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,359
for you how to get a hold of either the

507
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,599
three day package or the full season package.

508
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: Buy you like your line, leave me at the altar.

509
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,880
He said, that's a great line. Yeah, that is great.

510
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,640
A couple things, so my buddy texted me said, Edwards

511
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,880
for Providence has a planner for shitus planner. It's like

512
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:52,640
a foot thing. So that's something I mean that doesn't

513
00:27:53,839 --> 00:27:57,279
if it's this is like just new, that's something that

514
00:27:57,279 --> 00:28:01,119
doesn't necessarily go away. Even though he can be lazy

515
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,440
on defense, you know, he's still he still is their

516
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,960
best scorer or one of them. I don't know that

517
00:28:06,039 --> 00:28:09,240
I'm dying to play Providence without him if he's out again.

518
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,200
So and Fixer. Just one more thing. The Saturday show

519
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,240
starts next week. This week, Rob and I are going

520
00:28:16,319 --> 00:28:20,160
to be on Last Call with Kelly and whoever else

521
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,119
is on that show, So we'll have a brief spot

522
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,880
this week, and then I think we take over next

523
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,319
week once once football kind of moves out of the way.

524
00:28:29,519 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 2: It's a guest spot with Kelly.

525
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,519
Speaker 1: Guest spot with Kelly, which means I'll I better get

526
00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:36,519
it done in like ninety seconds or I'll be like

527
00:28:36,599 --> 00:28:40,039
get you know, there's got me no time to ramble.

528
00:28:40,359 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 2: The Vaudeville Caine.

529
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, Yeah, Yeah, I can't even get the can't

530
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,960
even get the team names out in ninety seconds. But yeah,

531
00:28:50,839 --> 00:28:53,559
especially if it's a it's a mouthful like Loyola Chicago,

532
00:28:53,559 --> 00:28:55,200
which is what we're going to talk about next. So

533
00:28:55,839 --> 00:29:00,480
you know, like part of me is, you know, I

534
00:29:00,839 --> 00:29:04,400
still think there's gonna be a time Rob to jump

535
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,000
in with Loyal in Chicago. Like they're five and thirteen.

536
00:29:08,319 --> 00:29:12,079
I know they're bad, They're they're they're so far off

537
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,039
of what anyone expected. This team to be coming into

538
00:29:16,039 --> 00:29:18,039
this year. I don't know that you could find one

539
00:29:18,079 --> 00:29:21,920
person prior to the season that was like, Loyal in

540
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,559
Chicago is going to be five and thirteen. They're gonna

541
00:29:25,559 --> 00:29:28,680
lose by games. They're gonna be a you know, not

542
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,119
even a five hundred team in conference, but but that's

543
00:29:32,119 --> 00:29:35,400
what they are to this point. That being said, you know,

544
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,599
they they went off and knocked off Santa Clara, They

545
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,839
beat Rhode Island early in conference play. They played this

546
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,440
Dayton team really tough a couple of weeks ago at home.

547
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,039
You know, there is I think you would have covered.

548
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,880
So I'm pretty sure if you if you played late

549
00:29:53,839 --> 00:29:57,440
on Tuesday, that if you played after the line move,

550
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,680
you would have covered with Loyal in Chicago. They probably

551
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,880
if you played early, you might have lost at seven

552
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,279
and a half, but I think most people probably had eight,

553
00:30:06,119 --> 00:30:09,160
which at least pushed and then that George Mason took

554
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:10,599
a bunch of money. So if you played late, you

555
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,119
would have cashed with them. So against the number, I'm

556
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,519
kind of like, now I'm showing a ton of value

557
00:30:16,559 --> 00:30:19,720
on Loyal Chicago game in and game out. The problem

558
00:30:19,839 --> 00:30:23,359
is I still can't figure out if I just you

559
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,480
know if like I still don't really know what to

560
00:30:25,519 --> 00:30:30,359
do because there's probably value there on a number, but like, Rob,

561
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,559
are they just this bad? Like can you just not

562
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,839
trust this team? Do you want any part of the

563
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,319
Ramblers at this point?

564
00:30:38,079 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 2: It's hard because the points are the way they've been

565
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,440
covering lately. The points are a little bit enticing, right.

566
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,319
Loyola is now four and two against the spread last six.

567
00:30:45,839 --> 00:30:49,720
They're getting huge numbers, just like they are tonight. Plus

568
00:30:49,799 --> 00:30:51,720
nine and a half that Rhode Island is a cover.

569
00:30:51,799 --> 00:30:54,359
Plus fifteen and a half against Santa Clara is a cover.

570
00:30:55,359 --> 00:30:57,160
Like you said, the seven and a half that they

571
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,519
took against Dayton that was a home game, but they

572
00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:03,200
play them within two and then George Mason plus eleven

573
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,000
and a half win again. In between they lose to

574
00:31:05,079 --> 00:31:08,200
Davis And the one is frustrating probably or not frustrating,

575
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:09,640
But the one that would make you think twice is

576
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,640
the GW game where they're taking thirteen and a half

577
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,279
on the road and just get launched into orbit by

578
00:31:15,319 --> 00:31:18,680
thirty five one on one sixty six. Is Dayton capable

579
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,640
of one on one to sixty six? I doubt it.

580
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:25,599
They're not. George Washington offensively. Does the two point win

581
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:31,440
narrow escape by Dayton at Loyola somewhat open Anthony Grant's

582
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,880
team's eyes to Loyola, you know, I mean, if they

583
00:31:35,119 --> 00:31:40,079
see them coming this time, then perhaps they give you

584
00:31:40,119 --> 00:31:43,119
a pretty good effort. But my honestly, my opinion is,

585
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,359
you know, we beat them there, we didn't play very good.

586
00:31:46,359 --> 00:31:47,200
We got them at home.

587
00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: Now.

588
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 2: I just don't know that you get the full focus

589
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,160
out of Dayton, and in this price range you need

590
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,640
full focus to win by sixteen points is a lot.

591
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,519
Loyola pretty competitive, Like I mentioned, as of late, they

592
00:31:59,559 --> 00:32:03,240
have a difficult time scoring, which is really a problem

593
00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:07,559
here if you're only gonna get mid sixties. I do

594
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,640
this with totals all the time. From a mathematical standpoint,

595
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,559
I'm just gonna lay out a number Loyola gets to

596
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,880
sixty five tonight. If they get to sixty five, Dayton

597
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,079
needs to get to eighty one. How achievable is eighty

598
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,240
one for Dayton? I have to ask myself that question

599
00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:24,519
if I want to play Loyola, is it possible? Yeah?

600
00:32:24,839 --> 00:32:27,119
Is it likely out of Dayton? I think it's more

601
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,519
likely that Dayton gets to like the seventy seven to

602
00:32:29,559 --> 00:32:33,000
seventy nine range, which means you've got to pin Loyola

603
00:32:33,079 --> 00:32:36,160
down to sixty three or less. It becomes a really,

604
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,480
really tough call. In this instance, I would like to

605
00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:42,680
take the fifteen and a half. Think and Drew Valentine's

606
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,920
team is making a little bit of a push. At

607
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,960
least it's a competitive push. Last six games, I say

608
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,640
four and two ats. Look at the totals real quick.

609
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:56,839
Here game totals four Loyola over the number one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,

610
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,839
eight and two last ten over for Loyola. If you're

611
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,920
looking for a route to go, that could be one

612
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:09,599
to look at, simply because Dayton, because of the nature

613
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,640
and the perception of their team, they get priced in

614
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,599
very reasonable total ranges all the time. And this one's

615
00:33:15,599 --> 00:33:17,839
been bent down to eight one forty two and a half.

616
00:33:18,599 --> 00:33:20,759
So if you just used like the examples I gave you,

617
00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:23,680
you could skim by here one forty two and a half.

618
00:33:23,799 --> 00:33:26,200
I probably won't play Adam because I just don't have

619
00:33:26,319 --> 00:33:28,640
I can't speak with enough conviction, but I'll say this.

620
00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:31,519
The people who got eighteen and a half right off

621
00:33:31,559 --> 00:33:33,599
the top of the opening number eighteen and a half,

622
00:33:34,359 --> 00:33:36,519
I probably could have been there with that. Eighteen and

623
00:33:36,519 --> 00:33:38,480
a half is a little bit different than fifteen and

624
00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:38,839
a half.

625
00:33:40,599 --> 00:33:44,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely would have probably taken that opening number

626
00:33:44,359 --> 00:33:46,680
as well. The problem other problem here, Rob is like

627
00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:49,559
both of these teams have like tons of injuries, so

628
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,759
you know you have to like you really have to.

629
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,519
Not only do you have to factor Loyola Chicago be

630
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,559
nothing like your preseason projection was on the team. Now

631
00:34:01,599 --> 00:34:04,920
you have to factor injuries in, but you have to

632
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,039
do it on both sides. I think when you do

633
00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:11,159
factor the injuries in, which are somewhat offsetting in my

634
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,559
opinion for both teams, I would say I would say

635
00:34:14,559 --> 00:34:17,079
the injuries actually probably hurt Loyal Chicago a little bit

636
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:18,920
more because they're just not as deep of a team

637
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,280
as Dayton. They're also on the road here. I still

638
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,199
think it's like a pretty big ask to for Dayton

639
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,639
to win the game by as many as they would

640
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:31,760
need to cover this number, considering these two teams played

641
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:33,880
a very competitive game just a couple of weeks ago

642
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,639
now Friday Nights Dayton. I got to go to that

643
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,800
arena a couple of years back for a Saint Bonaventure

644
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,719
game on a Friday night. That's as good of an

645
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,880
atmosphere as you're gonna find. I don't think Dayton fans

646
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,400
care who's playing who's not. They love the Friday night

647
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,320
Get the Friday night games there are. You know, when

648
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,840
you get a National TV Friday night game at ud Arena,

649
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,440
it's a big deal. They'll they'll be out in full force.

650
00:34:58,599 --> 00:35:02,480
So full marks for home court. But yeah, I'm with you.

651
00:35:02,519 --> 00:35:05,079
I think I lean Loyola Chicago, but on that earlier number,

652
00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:06,599
I don't think I would want to play it now

653
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,880
where the number is gone to. All right, let's move

654
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,360
on the the Oh Bay. You says, yeah, we got

655
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:18,079
to hit Kent State Toledo. What a game. The Mac

656
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,920
getting some love tonight. Not my Mac because they decided

657
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,519
they want to play on Martin Luther King Day and

658
00:35:22,519 --> 00:35:26,000
they gave up Friday Friday Sunday this week, which is

659
00:35:26,039 --> 00:35:29,039
a very poor decision in my opinion. But the other

660
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:31,800
MAC has a couple of games, so we'll hit both

661
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,320
of those back to back. First one the bigger of

662
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:39,639
the two, Kent State Toledo. Brian Power and I went

663
00:35:39,679 --> 00:35:42,440
to this very game a couple of years back and

664
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,000
got to meet Kent States in arena DJ. Who is

665
00:35:47,079 --> 00:35:49,440
the man? I forget I think his last name. I

666
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,599
think it's DJ Smills Rob and he's awesome. He's as

667
00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:56,360
good of an arena DJ as you'll ever find. Guy

668
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,159
just killed it the whole time. He'll probably be there tonight.

669
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,840
Hype in the crowd for this game six thirty pm,

670
00:36:03,079 --> 00:36:06,079
Toledo on the road at Kent State. Do you have

671
00:36:06,119 --> 00:36:07,079
an angle in this one?

672
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 2: Well, the initial angle was we want to play total over,

673
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,280
but the odds makers are wise to people like me,

674
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,039
and they open it up at one seventy one and

675
00:36:18,119 --> 00:36:21,280
a half. Now again, it won seventy one and a half.

676
00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:26,039
Sounds like a really, really tall ask, but with these

677
00:36:26,079 --> 00:36:29,760
two teams, it's not. You know, Adam Rob Senderoff has

678
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:35,239
been here at Kent for a long time. He's never

679
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,320
had an offense even in this stratosphere, as far as

680
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,800
tempo is concerned, as far as field goal percentage is concerned.

681
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,360
All that being said, he's never had a defense this

682
00:36:47,559 --> 00:36:53,360
bad since he's been there. Now, that combo top notch offense,

683
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:59,760
lower tier defense just breeds overs Toledo. You can make

684
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,079
this same case for I had the Toledo game over

685
00:37:02,119 --> 00:37:04,000
the total the other that I think they played, Ohio, you,

686
00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:05,960
it was never in doubt that game was going over

687
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,840
from the opening tip. I feel like Toledo got to

688
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,760
one hundred in that game pretty sure without looking up

689
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,920
the final score here of that one. But it was easy.

690
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:20,039
This one could be just as easy. I'm somebody who

691
00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:21,920
comes on here a lot and says, coaches like to

692
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,639
fix what went wrong the first time around. They haven't

693
00:37:25,639 --> 00:37:27,760
had a first time around. But as far as fixing

694
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:32,039
what's going wrong, there's no fixing these two teams on

695
00:37:32,079 --> 00:37:34,280
the defensive end at this point in time. They are

696
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:40,079
what they are there. Their profile is their profile. They're

697
00:37:40,119 --> 00:37:42,360
going to be very high scoring teams, and they're going

698
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:43,920
to give up a lot of buckets and they're going

699
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,519
to play fast. How you don't get to over one

700
00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:49,599
sixty nine and a half, I don't know, But people

701
00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:52,400
are pushing this thing down at this point in time.

702
00:37:52,559 --> 00:37:55,639
We're not to the stage of the season yet. Adam

703
00:37:55,800 --> 00:38:00,119
or I would say, like, let's say ten days into February,

704
00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:05,400
two weeks into February, where conference standings and tournament seedings

705
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,639
are important, and maybe you get a little more effort

706
00:38:07,679 --> 00:38:10,480
out of your kids on the defensive side of the floor.

707
00:38:10,679 --> 00:38:13,159
We're not to that point yet. We're still at the

708
00:38:13,199 --> 00:38:16,119
point where we are who we are, and we're gonna

709
00:38:16,159 --> 00:38:17,639
roll the balls out and play it the way we

710
00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:19,440
are And I think if you have that here in

711
00:38:19,519 --> 00:38:22,639
this game should be as entertaining as any game out there.

712
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,480
Kent State has climbed to a five and a half

713
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,280
point favorite. I think I can see it simply because

714
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,679
Toledo is that bad on defense. Kent State again, no

715
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,639
great shakes on defense, They're in that lower tier with them.

716
00:38:36,159 --> 00:38:40,599
But five and a half maybe I could let but

717
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,719
I'm way more interested in pushing back against this very

718
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,880
very slight total movement seventy one and a half opener

719
00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:49,480
sixty nine and a half now in a lot of places.

720
00:38:49,519 --> 00:38:52,440
I know it varies, but if you're betting games, you

721
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,159
should be shopping for the best number as well. I

722
00:38:55,159 --> 00:38:57,119
think this one probably gets over at them. Like I say,

723
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,679
I think this it may not be the best brand

724
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,280
name team, but as far as Mid American schools are going,

725
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:06,440
it's one of the best brand named games. It's gonna

726
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,000
be as entertaining as any from an offensive standpoint.

727
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, very interesting game to me here, I

728
00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:15,880
felt so my number kind of came out right right

729
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,519
on the nose, which is which is actually pretty much

730
00:39:18,519 --> 00:39:21,519
across the board today. And I aside aside from that

731
00:39:21,559 --> 00:39:23,840
Loyal or Chicago game, all my numbers are very close

732
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,840
to what the books make it, which is not that unreasonable.

733
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,559
And a seven games slate where they're all on national TV,

734
00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:33,679
I don't think you're going to have like tremendous line

735
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:37,159
discrepancies on a night like that. But as far as

736
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,079
like you know, I so I went to I went

737
00:39:40,119 --> 00:39:42,880
to see Toledo earlier this year and it was in

738
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,719
a stretch of early games where they kept running into

739
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:51,440
teams playing zone and they their offense really struggled when

740
00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:54,400
forced to shoot from the outside. Now they have figured

741
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,000
that out a little bit because down the road they

742
00:39:57,079 --> 00:40:00,079
ended up torching Oakland, who plays his zone. And and

743
00:40:00,639 --> 00:40:03,280
not that Kent State's really gonna zone them, but Kent

744
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,679
State will force them to shoot outside like that. That's

745
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,239
that's one thing Kent State does particularly well is defend

746
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,079
the paint. They also rebound well, so there's not gonna

747
00:40:13,079 --> 00:40:16,039
be many second you know, second chance points, So you

748
00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:18,480
would have to think that Toledo needs to hit some

749
00:40:18,519 --> 00:40:22,920
outside shots to stay in this game. Even improving that department,

750
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,880
still just thirty three percent from three point range. It's like,

751
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:30,559
you know, right inside to write about two hundredth nationally,

752
00:40:30,639 --> 00:40:34,239
So that's not great. My concern for Toledo here is

753
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,559
they get crushed on the glass. Kent State's a very

754
00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:40,480
good rebounding team. Toledo not a good rebounding team. I

755
00:40:40,559 --> 00:40:45,679
kind of think you're onto something with the over at Again,

756
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,440
it's hard to believe that Toledo gets a ton of

757
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,840
stops in this game. I think this sets up nicely

758
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,679
for what Kent State wants to do offensively. And then

759
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,880
of course, like if DJ Smills has the crowd hyped

760
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,199
up like that, Brian Power and I had a great

761
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:03,840
time at Kent State, they will that place will get

762
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,800
after it on a Friday night as well. It's a

763
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:10,239
great atmosphere. Kent State historically has been awesome at home.

764
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,480
I know last year they dropped a couple, but prior

765
00:41:12,519 --> 00:41:15,440
to last year when Kent State is good, rob I

766
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,800
think going into last year they lost that crazy game

767
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,199
that James Madison hit a buzzer beater like early in

768
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,280
the season, and it snapped a very long home court

769
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,199
win stream. But Kent State was notably down last year.

770
00:41:27,559 --> 00:41:30,320
When this team is good at home, there's good that's

771
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,079
as good as a home court edges are gonna find.

772
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,000
So I lean toward Kent State here. I didn't play it,

773
00:41:37,159 --> 00:41:39,000
but the more we talk about the game, the more

774
00:41:39,039 --> 00:41:41,079
like the flashes to get it done.

775
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 2: And to your point about three point shooting accuracy in

776
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,360
this game, Adam Kent a good three point shooting team.

777
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,639
Toledo it Kent and a far above average three point

778
00:41:55,639 --> 00:41:58,079
shooting team. Toledo a good three point shooting team, but

779
00:41:58,119 --> 00:42:02,159
the three point defense is horrendous and the transition defense

780
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,000
isn't good. Toledo shows you a couple of good numbers

781
00:42:06,039 --> 00:42:09,719
defensively in league so far, except that it was against

782
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,519
two of the worst offenses in the league. When you know,

783
00:42:12,559 --> 00:42:14,719
I always use comp games, and I'm not going to

784
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,719
go through them now for everybody, But if you use

785
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,400
comp games to what this one is going to be,

786
00:42:19,519 --> 00:42:23,159
just for instance, take Kent Buffalo, et cetera. These games

787
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,519
are offensive to a very high degree. So I'll take

788
00:42:27,519 --> 00:42:29,360
a look at over one sixty nine and a half

789
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:30,400
in that game, for sure.

790
00:42:32,639 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: What was it? Press, hope you're on the Kent side. Well,

791
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,519
I won't be on the other side. I don't know

792
00:42:36,519 --> 00:42:38,199
if I'll be on Kent with you, but I won't

793
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,400
be on the other side that is Kent or Kent

794
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,599
State or pass for me. Okay, Chat wants to go

795
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:49,000
out West. We do have a standalone degenerate special game tonight,

796
00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:54,039
rob Ino out in Boise, Idaho. Colorado State hitting the

797
00:42:54,119 --> 00:43:00,599
road to take on Boise. Very interesting Matt up here

798
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,719
kind of like you know, but neither team has a

799
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,760
ton of athletes. It's almost like, you know, I look

800
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,559
to to maybe a contrast of styles when Boise plays

801
00:43:10,559 --> 00:43:14,039
a team that's super athletic, that's not like really Colorado

802
00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:16,920
State both are like kind of content slowing it down.

803
00:43:17,679 --> 00:43:19,920
So I don't know, what do you think here are

804
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,079
these two teams kind of similar? And how do you

805
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:22,960
think that plays out?

806
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 2: For this one? I'll tell you where I'm kind of

807
00:43:27,039 --> 00:43:31,199
shocked at him. Honestly, where these two teams are concerned

808
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,960
is the amount of points that Boise is giving up

809
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,280
as of late you go through this Mountain West schedule

810
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,480
since they got there and again to your point, Leon

811
00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:46,679
Rice Generally, a methodical, defensive minded team usually has a

812
00:43:46,679 --> 00:43:48,880
good shooting team, but it's not a team that wants

813
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,320
to get up and down. It's not a team that

814
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,119
gives up a ton on the defensive end. Some of

815
00:43:54,119 --> 00:43:56,840
that is due to controlled pace, et cetera, et cetera.

816
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,119
But how about let's just throw the triple over time

817
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,480
away and see where that game landed at the end

818
00:44:02,519 --> 00:44:05,400
of regulation against San Diego State. There's seventy five seventy

819
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:09,039
five a one fifty game in regulation. Come back, give

820
00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:11,719
up seventy five more to Grand Canyon. Come back, give

821
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,320
up ninety three to Utah State and get destroyed by

822
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:18,400
twenty five. Come back and play UNLV the other night. UNLV,

823
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,679
we know got a little bit healthier, but still you're

824
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,840
sitting there with a game that lands at the end

825
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,559
of regulation at one forty eight. This stuff isn't common

826
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,639
for Boise State. At some point, I think you have

827
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,599
to step in front of that train and play it

828
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:38,719
under with this team. Now, somebody agrees, because we're seeing

829
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:43,199
the push toward the under. I see some flashing going

830
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,519
on right now as we speak. One thirty nine and

831
00:44:45,559 --> 00:44:48,920
a half's out there. Still someone forty and a half's

832
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,679
but I think when you take the combination and actually

833
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:58,519
it's it can't This isn't totally factual because San Diego

834
00:44:58,559 --> 00:45:00,360
State doesn't want to run either. But the point I'm

835
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:04,039
going to make is that Colorado State being extremely slow

836
00:45:04,679 --> 00:45:08,199
combined with Boise State being extremely slow, there's no tempo

837
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,280
on the other side here. A couple of the games

838
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,519
I mentioned, Utah State will tempo you and shoot lights out,

839
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,519
UNLV will tempo you with Josh Passner in a full

840
00:45:17,559 --> 00:45:20,679
complement of players. Colorado State we're finding out they're not

841
00:45:20,679 --> 00:45:23,280
going to tempo you. But man, they shoot it. They

842
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,800
shoot it really, really well. And if Boise doesn't play

843
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:31,119
enough defense here, the points could be worth taking. Boise

844
00:45:31,159 --> 00:45:34,519
State's defense. To me, Adam is on shaky ground right now,

845
00:45:35,639 --> 00:45:39,320
and you know, going up to Boise he's never been

846
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,119
the easiest place to go. But this Colorado State team

847
00:45:42,199 --> 00:45:43,960
kind of fits the mold of one that could hang

848
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,679
within the number. Pace isn't going to get away from them.

849
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,719
They shoot it better than Boise State does, at least

850
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,079
statistically at this point in time, and Boise's been susceptible

851
00:45:54,119 --> 00:45:56,679
to giving up points. So I think I could make

852
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:01,039
a slight case here for Colorado State. Again, I probably

853
00:46:01,119 --> 00:46:03,920
won't play because I don't have a firm I don't understand.

854
00:46:04,199 --> 00:46:06,400
Let's put it this way, and I said to start

855
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,400
this thing. The one thing that amazes me is that

856
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,519
Boise State is giving up so much on the defensive

857
00:46:11,639 --> 00:46:14,639
end in four Mountain West games. If that continues, I

858
00:46:14,639 --> 00:46:17,599
guess I just have to take it for what it's worth.

859
00:46:17,639 --> 00:46:20,000
And they're not as good defensively under Leon Rice this year.

860
00:46:20,039 --> 00:46:23,159
But I don't know. I think Colorado State plus five

861
00:46:23,159 --> 00:46:24,960
and a half the way they shoot the basketball could

862
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:25,559
be a look.

863
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: Here, yeah, I mean Colorado State's been cold lately, but

864
00:46:30,559 --> 00:46:33,840
like even even with the cold shooting the last couple

865
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,400
of games for Colorado State, like there's still sixth nationally

866
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,599
and three point percentage on the season forty percent. I mean,

867
00:46:41,199 --> 00:46:44,159
you know we've noted ali for Oakmanesh and what he's

868
00:46:44,199 --> 00:46:48,599
done there. You know, even though it's not Nico Medvet anymore,

869
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,760
for Oakmanesh is his sort of wh like considered to

870
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,800
be what was considered to be one of the better

871
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:59,039
assistant coaches out there, takes over great floor spacer. You know,

872
00:46:59,079 --> 00:47:02,199
he's getting that he's generating a lot of open looks

873
00:47:02,199 --> 00:47:04,400
from three up until a couple of games ago, they

874
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,199
every single one of them was going in. Will be

875
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,800
interested to see Kyle Jorgenson's been out. I'm sure that

876
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,880
has something to do with the offensive dip for Colorado State.

877
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,360
Right like he is, you know, there's a lot of options,

878
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,239
Like I don't think like he's like by far the

879
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,480
best scorer on the team. He just happens to be

880
00:47:21,519 --> 00:47:23,679
the leading scorer at thirteen point eight points per game.

881
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,320
But there's a lot of guys that can hit shots.

882
00:47:25,639 --> 00:47:29,719
That being said, having not had him is not ideal.

883
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,920
But Boise State's been dealing with believe jaybon you can

884
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,159
and did not play against UNLV and Boise he can't

885
00:47:37,199 --> 00:47:39,920
really score either. So I think I definitely lean toward

886
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,639
the under. I'd be kind of surprised if both of

887
00:47:42,639 --> 00:47:45,760
these teams just go nuts offensively tonight or figure it

888
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,559
out offensively. And yeah, I mean I think I trust

889
00:47:49,559 --> 00:47:53,199
Colorado State's offense more. Two offenses that have been slumping,

890
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,199
two offenses dealing with guys out. I think I just

891
00:47:56,239 --> 00:48:01,039
trust Colorado State more to like re heat back up right,

892
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:02,639
Like they had a couple of games where they were

893
00:48:02,639 --> 00:48:04,719
down shooting the ball. I think if there was gonna

894
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,719
be one team I trust a little more, it's Colorado

895
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,920
State to get the offense going, and then that's the

896
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,920
case rob you're catching points. That's not the worst situation

897
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:19,239
to be in, right there. Yeah, like Bayou says, like

898
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,559
College State hasn't scored more than seventy in the last

899
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:24,000
seven games. Well, part of it is they do like

900
00:48:24,039 --> 00:48:26,440
to play slower, so they're obviously like it's not like

901
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,280
they're a tempo type team. But yeah, they've been cold.

902
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,639
They've been ice cold since the start of Mountain West play.

903
00:48:33,119 --> 00:48:35,440
So again you're going on a little bit of a hunch,

904
00:48:35,519 --> 00:48:38,719
I suppose. But if they can get it going offensively,

905
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:40,920
and you've kind of pointed out Boise hasn't been the

906
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,519
best defensive team or certainly not as good as typical

907
00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:48,039
Boise defenses are, yeah, maybe the points make some sense.

908
00:48:48,039 --> 00:48:51,719
There will be an interesting game. This is an interesting

909
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,280
move to me. So I didn't have a huge opinion

910
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,280
on this one because I was right in line with

911
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,400
the number. But it looks like Ohio, Ohio is taking

912
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,079
a bunch of money to the point where I'm now

913
00:49:04,159 --> 00:49:07,360
I'm now at least tempted to look at the ball

914
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,079
State side at the current numbers. Is are you do

915
00:49:10,119 --> 00:49:11,840
you have your screen up? Is it five and a half?

916
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,320
Is that what we're looking at in Ohio? Ball State

917
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:14,760
right now?

918
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 2: Looking at Ohio you yeah, five. Well, there's a lot

919
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:21,400
of four and a half still out there, but it

920
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,400
does vary between four and a half five and a half.

921
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 1: You know, at Ball state's been super disappointing. I really

922
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,639
thought that this was going to be like a team

923
00:49:30,679 --> 00:49:33,280
that could potentially surprise in this conference this year. Rob

924
00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:36,000
they brought in a kid by the name of Devin

925
00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:39,400
Barnes who was someone that was at Charlton State as

926
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,719
a freshman, had a great season. I really liked him

927
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,440
on that Tarleton State team. He goes to U TEP

928
00:49:46,679 --> 00:49:50,000
last year and I didn't didn't have a bad year there.

929
00:49:50,159 --> 00:49:51,760
I was kind of surprised to see him in the

930
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,639
portal again, and I was kind of surprised to see

931
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:57,000
him sort of, you know, you teped to Ball State.

932
00:49:57,079 --> 00:49:59,880
That's not really I don't know that. That struck me

933
00:50:00,199 --> 00:50:02,199
odd a little bit because it can't kind of feels

934
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:06,400
like a lateral type move. But again, I felt like

935
00:50:06,519 --> 00:50:08,519
you know he would be great for this team. He

936
00:50:08,599 --> 00:50:11,000
really hasn't been, only eight point eight points per game.

937
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:15,559
They play a weird rotation of guys. So I've wanted

938
00:50:15,559 --> 00:50:17,400
to buy in with ball State at a couple of

939
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,239
different times this year. Every time I seem to do it,

940
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,199
I'm on the wrong side. They can't score. But again,

941
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,400
here they are five and a half. Seems like almost

942
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,840
like too good to pass up. How do you see

943
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:30,039
this when Ball State Ohio?

944
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,559
Speaker 2: I find it hard not to play the Ohio team

945
00:50:33,639 --> 00:50:36,440
total over in this game, Adam. No matter where the

946
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,079
game lands, as far as finals score is concerned, I

947
00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:43,719
think I'll just give it a recheck right here and now.

948
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,639
I think I saw seventy five and a half earlier,

949
00:50:45,679 --> 00:50:47,480
and I do see seventy five and a half now.

950
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,480
To get to seventy six ball State, the only team

951
00:50:50,519 --> 00:50:52,639
that didn't get the seventy six against them in league

952
00:50:52,639 --> 00:50:55,039
play was Eastern Michigan that got the seventy four. Eastern

953
00:50:55,119 --> 00:50:57,400
Michigan is not a good offensive team, nowhere near the

954
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,280
class of Ohio U Ohio. You's coming up off the

955
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,400
big loss to Toledo, so I'd expect a little bit

956
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,000
of motivation here. Whether or not they can win the

957
00:51:05,039 --> 00:51:08,519
game by six or not doesn't really interest me. It

958
00:51:08,599 --> 00:51:10,760
is a contrast in tempo's or hiore. You wants to

959
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,599
get up and down, ball State wants to go slow.

960
00:51:13,679 --> 00:51:17,639
Ball State is at home, and you know my rule

961
00:51:17,639 --> 00:51:20,119
of thumb, I think home can dictate tempo a little

962
00:51:20,119 --> 00:51:23,320
more than half the game. In this instance, I don't

963
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:25,519
know that Ball State can dictate it more than half

964
00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:28,440
the game. And part of the reason being that if

965
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,239
they get behind and you have to go into chase mode,

966
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,719
your tempo changes. To me, I'll hire you will come

967
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,199
out motivated just off of a loss earlier. This week

968
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,639
it's Toledo. They see an opponent that they can beat

969
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,159
on the road. It's a winnable game. I'm going to

970
00:51:43,199 --> 00:51:44,880
ask them to get to seventy six. I mean, they

971
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,199
could win this game seventy seven to seventy two or

972
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:51,960
whatever and still not cover. But it's the best grouping

973
00:51:52,199 --> 00:51:54,119
on the floor. The best group on the floor is

974
00:51:54,119 --> 00:51:57,360
the Ohio You offense. They've been scoring points at a

975
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,360
high rate all season. In fact, the only time they

976
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,559
didn't reach this number in league play is against Eastern

977
00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:07,280
Michigan and ken Eastern Michigan allows the defensive team slow team,

978
00:52:07,519 --> 00:52:09,760
or excuse me, allows you offensive team slow team. So

979
00:52:10,119 --> 00:52:12,119
I think I would try to hire you over seventy

980
00:52:12,119 --> 00:52:12,719
five and a half.

981
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: Here, I'm gonna go with a hot take here. I

982
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:22,000
think ball State wins their first conference game tonight. I

983
00:52:22,039 --> 00:52:25,199
think maybe that total gets there, But I think ball

984
00:52:25,199 --> 00:52:27,360
State's gonna pull the upset here, and this is gonna

985
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:31,199
be my parlay leg. If I can get five, that's great.

986
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,840
I don't know. I will rely on Rob. Give me

987
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,000
as I'm giving my kind of wrap up here, give

988
00:52:38,039 --> 00:52:40,079
me the market price. I mean, if we have to

989
00:52:40,079 --> 00:52:42,840
go four and a half, it's fine. I did see

990
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:44,320
it was getting to five five and a half. I

991
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,639
don't know if someone played back at it. I certainly

992
00:52:47,199 --> 00:52:49,599
at five and a half. Very much like ball State,

993
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:51,559
they're a scratchy team.

994
00:52:52,199 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Rob, I'm just gonna say now we have

995
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,119
to be careful with identifying places, so I won't. But

996
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,960
there are multiple outlets with five and a half. There

997
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,280
are multiple outlets with five, there are multiple outlets with

998
00:53:06,639 --> 00:53:09,119
There's less outlets with four and a half than any

999
00:53:09,159 --> 00:53:12,039
of those three numbers. So you can get five and

1000
00:53:12,039 --> 00:53:14,400
a half at them, there's no problem getting five and

1001
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:14,599
a half.

1002
00:53:14,679 --> 00:53:16,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I mean, that's what I'm kind of looking at.

1003
00:53:17,559 --> 00:53:19,039
As soon as we get off of at five and

1004
00:53:19,079 --> 00:53:21,239
a half, still there, it may become a client play

1005
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:25,920
for me. Listen, ball State at some point, some of

1006
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,039
these shots are going to go in. Some of those

1007
00:53:28,039 --> 00:53:32,880
guys on this ball State roster have wildly underperformed. Offensively,

1008
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:37,480
they are a they're scrappy defensively, they force turnovers. I

1009
00:53:38,159 --> 00:53:41,960
just think it's a tough matchup for Ohio, especially if

1010
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,840
Ohio maybe takes them lightly. You know, Rob, this is

1011
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:50,559
an Ohio team that just you know, they had the

1012
00:53:50,559 --> 00:53:52,800
big win over Buffalo. Yes, they turn around and lose

1013
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,760
to Toledo, but they're still on the road, second second

1014
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,559
straight road game this week. I think it's gonna be

1015
00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:02,559
a good game. And so because there's not many other

1016
00:54:02,599 --> 00:54:05,320
good options, like I guess, you know, I'll probably kick

1017
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,280
the wrong one, you know how it goes. I'm kind

1018
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,800
of right there with Baylor plus the points, ball State

1019
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,679
plus the points. But I pulled up the MAC standings,

1020
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:15,920
I saw ball State winless down there, and I said,

1021
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,000
you know what, National TV they're showing up tonight this

1022
00:54:19,039 --> 00:54:21,559
is the night they're gonna get that first league win.

1023
00:54:21,679 --> 00:54:24,559
So even if they don't, if they can keep it

1024
00:54:24,599 --> 00:54:27,360
within five and a half, we're good. So that that's

1025
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,559
gonna be my parlay lay ball State plus five and

1026
00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:33,199
a half, Rob, do you know what you want to

1027
00:54:33,199 --> 00:54:34,159
put in the parlay here?

1028
00:54:35,039 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 2: Yeah? I just came to a decision at it because

1029
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,079
it was between two It's where we started this conversation

1030
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,760
way back fifty five minutes ago. And then the one

1031
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:46,639
game that we didn't discuss whatsoever, which is De Paul Marquette,

1032
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:50,079
and I really want to play De Paul minus three

1033
00:54:50,119 --> 00:54:52,400
and a half because it's it's as much of a

1034
00:54:52,519 --> 00:54:56,159
fade against Marquette as it would be a play on DePaul.

1035
00:54:56,199 --> 00:54:58,840
But there's certain things when you watch DePaul play. I

1036
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:02,679
watched the Connecticut game and a couple others pieces of

1037
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:07,920
within the last ten days, and they show promise. Shaka

1038
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,920
Smarts team shows zero promise at this point in time.

1039
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:15,159
They don't shoot it whatsoever. Shaka Smart has said, it's

1040
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,159
just a young team that has to go through it,

1041
00:55:17,199 --> 00:55:22,199
et cetera, et cetera. They've pounded to Paul recently. I

1042
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,239
think De Paul's lost six in a row. There. There's

1043
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,960
some throwback jerseys concerned here tonight. So if you like

1044
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,280
what Terry Cummings used to wear, or Mark McGuire, some

1045
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:34,159
of the great Rod Strickland, de Paul will probably be

1046
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,079
dressed to your liking tonight. I want to play DePaul.

1047
00:55:37,199 --> 00:55:39,559
All that said, I'm gonna land in the with the

1048
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:42,400
parlay on Kansas Baylor. Over one fifty five and a

1049
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,719
half to me, that just gets up and down two

1050
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:51,199
teams that are freed of excellent Big twelve defenses. Here

1051
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:54,360
they can do what they want offensively. Self is showing

1052
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:58,480
us now the ticket to greatness for Kansas is pace

1053
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,559
and offensive place, and so I think that'll continue. I

1054
00:56:02,559 --> 00:56:05,360
think Baylor will be very more than happy, as they

1055
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:09,159
showed against Oklahoma State to break out of the grips

1056
00:56:09,159 --> 00:56:13,079
of these really good Houston's and Iowa States and TCUs

1057
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:15,719
that they played defensively. So give me over one fifty

1058
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,159
five and a half in the KU Baylor games and

1059
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,639
the Marquee game. But we'll give that one a whirl.

1060
00:56:23,199 --> 00:56:25,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, And while we I guess we can finish up

1061
00:56:25,199 --> 00:56:27,719
the I'll recap the parlay at the end of the show.

1062
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:29,880
I guess we can finish up the show kind of

1063
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,440
just like you know, with some final thoughts about De

1064
00:56:32,519 --> 00:56:36,800
Paul Marquette. Marquette's another team where I just really don't

1065
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:38,119
know what to do with this team at this point

1066
00:56:38,159 --> 00:56:40,719
because they're obviously not what they what I imagine they

1067
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:44,400
would be coming into the season. But you know, I'm

1068
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:47,360
over here saying to myself, did the has the pendulum

1069
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:48,199
swung too far?

1070
00:56:48,599 --> 00:56:48,760
Speaker 2: Like?

1071
00:56:49,039 --> 00:56:52,519
Speaker 1: Is does Marquette have anything any bounce back in the tank?

1072
00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:54,800
Are they going to string together some good results? And

1073
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,400
it makes it very difficult to bet a Markette game.

1074
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,000
It makes it very difficult to lay points against Marquette,

1075
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,000
even though I think De Paul is the better team.

1076
00:57:02,119 --> 00:57:04,320
So yeah, it's I'm kind of with you. I like

1077
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,880
I wanted bet to Paul. I think they're better. I've

1078
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,079
been high on The Paul coming into the year, like

1079
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,519
I thought this might be the year. Someone in the

1080
00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:15,119
chat's like, well, yeah, they're not. They're not shaving points anymore,

1081
00:57:15,159 --> 00:57:19,039
they're not throwing games. That certainly helps that twenty nine

1082
00:57:19,039 --> 00:57:22,559
other teams are shaving for Yeah, that certainly helps. But

1083
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,039
you know, did the did the market move too far?

1084
00:57:25,159 --> 00:57:26,719
Is this is this too many to lay. I think

1085
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,519
that's like the question you have to ask yourself.

1086
00:57:29,159 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 2: Here real quick, we're up against the time. I'll just

1087
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:33,760
give you a couple of things that turned me on

1088
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:37,360
to do Paul and against Marquette, Shaka Smart commenting on

1089
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,920
his team. When you go on the road, you cannot

1090
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:44,960
have a complete lullan physicality or aggressiveness, and most importantly,

1091
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:49,639
your connection as a team to go and accomplish something

1092
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,440
very specific in the moment, I read those things, and

1093
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,960
I'm thinking, not as physical as he likes, not as

1094
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:57,599
aggressive as he likes, and there's no connection or there's

1095
00:57:57,719 --> 00:58:00,000
limited connection between the five that are on the floor,

1096
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,840
so cohesiveness could be an issue. And it makes you

1097
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:06,599
just not want Marquette or possibly to fade them with

1098
00:58:06,679 --> 00:58:09,599
a DePaul team that actually shows some promise in those

1099
00:58:09,639 --> 00:58:14,400
three areas. And Quick again made the joke last night

1100
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,599
I got to that Kennesaw f I U over just

1101
00:58:17,639 --> 00:58:20,960
in time the other night as Kennesaw State's leading scorer

1102
00:58:21,239 --> 00:58:22,960
gets in the net of that.

1103
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, I like, I think I even referenced

1104
00:58:30,519 --> 00:58:33,760
Camie and Shell like in a breakdown like and then

1105
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,800
the next day his name was in there too. Yeah,

1106
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:40,159
it's it's wild stuff. Uh d Cerna makes a really

1107
00:58:40,199 --> 00:58:43,760
good point. He points out marquetch travel having to go

1108
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:47,519
to Saint John's midwee, you know, and then and then

1109
00:58:47,639 --> 00:58:50,400
turn around. They likely stop home and then it's a

1110
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,079
quick trip to Chicago. Yeah, it doesn't doesn't seem like

1111
00:58:53,119 --> 00:58:57,639
the greatest spot for them either. So probably not what

1112
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,760
I'm gonna touch, but but an interesting conversation. So we

1113
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,000
have settled on the two teamer for tonight. We need

1114
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:04,760
to hit this two team or to get the parlay

1115
00:59:05,199 --> 00:59:10,079
of the show, parlay of the day back. Oh so

1116
00:59:10,679 --> 00:59:13,079
Garth pops and he says, got here late work last night.

1117
00:59:13,159 --> 00:59:15,000
Have a great weekend, Garth, thank you so much for

1118
00:59:15,039 --> 00:59:17,760
the donation. You didn't have to request a game because

1119
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,519
we hit every single game, so we touched on all

1120
00:59:20,559 --> 00:59:25,159
seven games for tonight's card. We've settled on these two

1121
00:59:25,199 --> 00:59:27,880
picks for the parlay ball State plus five and a

1122
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:31,800
half and then Vino is gonna go Kansas Baylor over

1123
00:59:32,039 --> 00:59:34,119
one fifty five and a half. We'll call it the

1124
00:59:34,159 --> 00:59:37,280
traditional plus two sixty there on. That would put us

1125
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,280
back in the plus for this season. We will see

1126
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:42,920
you guys tomorrow on last call. I think with Kelly

1127
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:46,199
Stewart still the host till football is done, and then

1128
00:59:46,239 --> 00:59:48,519
she's like, I got better things to do. So yeah,

1129
00:59:48,559 --> 00:59:52,920
we'll see you there on eleven o'clock eleven am tomorrow

1130
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,960
morning to talk some of the big games, and then

1131
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:59,159
we'll be back on this show Monday morning, ten am Eastern.

1132
00:59:59,199 --> 01:00:01,000
Have a great weekend, let's cash and tickets. We'll see

1133
01:00:01,039 --> 01:00:01,480
you guys soon